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School apocalypse

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School apocalypse



The final “rout” of Russian school education is scheduled for spring.
In the spring of 2016, "explore the competence" of teachers of Russian, literature and mathematics. At the same time, the Unified State Exam in Russian will be divided into “basic” and “profile” levels. In order not to beat around the bush for a long time - most of the specialists with whom we were able to talk, quietly and without emotion evaluate these two seemingly unrelated events in the following way: “Well, finally, the Soviet, Russian school has suffered. Everything. This is the end".

Let's start with the first news. Subordinated to the Ministry of Education and Science, the Federal Service for Supervision in the Field of Education and Science (Rosobrnadzor) intends to conduct a study of the competencies (allocated to the RP) of teachers of the Russian language, literature and mathematics in the spring of next year. “Now, in November, we are testing this research on a small sample. Then a wider sample of research will be conducted, with thousands of teachers participating. We hope that the sample will be representative, ”the press service of the Rosobrnadzor reported.

The reason for checking out teachers is whether they know their subject or simply pretend they know that, according to the ministry, was the fact that “earlier, in April-May 2015 of the year, Rosobrnadzor had already conducted a study of the level of professional training of teachers in other subjects - stories and social studies (about 6 thousands of participants). The study showed that every fourth teacher needs additional professional development in working with a historical and cultural standard. ”

Wow, what an amazing fact! Who would have thought? Go to any pedagogical university and see what kind of beggarly salaries teachers receive, including professors and doctors of science, what a crazy load they have, what "modern" technical and methodical teaching aids are at their disposal. How much they have to nobody useless and nobody readable scribbling (school teachers this concerns not less). And then think: who will go there to study and who teaches there? At best, enthusiasts who still hold their native education somehow.

Well, okay - there is a problem: every fourth teacher of history and social studies does not really know his subject at all. He “needs additional professional development in working with a historical and cultural standard.” What it is, is not explained. But even if you have a need to fill something - fill. And further increase your mysterious "historical and cultural standard" all at once. As it was in the Soviet school, when the teacher talked with the methodologist almost every week.

However, the motive of a real increase in the knowledge of teachers of Russian language, literature and mathematics goes to some second or even third plan, when you read more attentively into the informational message, which the officials from education decided to share. The main thing is that no one else in the world, including the conceptualists and creators of the ministry’s most beloved ministry, knows exactly either the evaluation criteria, the procedure, or the tasks and methods of the upcoming “competence study” of teachers. But this is not a ticket to you to check. There is some mysterious and obviously incomplete "toolkit".

On the other hand, how happily they continue to report to the press center of the Ministry of Education: “In November (that is, less than two weeks. - RP) this year we plan to conduct a pilot study to test the tools for assessing competence of teachers. According to preliminary estimates, about 2 thousands of teachers from more than 20 regions of Russia will take part in it. The results will be analyzed by the end of January next year, in order to finally prepare the toolkit for a large-scale inspection in the spring. ”

So, in two weeks quickly, but, of course, qualitatively - who would doubt! - will conduct a "pilot study." For these noble scientific goals, 2 will torture thousands of teachers, who, we note in passing, have to complete the half year. And then quickly, quickly, but as we believe, qualitatively and qualitatively, in just a month and a half, they will reinvent, complete, and finish up the “toolkit for large-scale testing in the spring.” The “scale” of spring testing is simply scary to provide, if only now thousands of teachers take 2 for the experiments. And what they will do there with them, no one really says. "Testing tools", they say, will be carried out.

Okay! Good! They revealed negligent, incompetent, ignorant teachers of the Russian language, literature and mathematics. There really are many, unfortunately. What are you going to do next with them? Retraining? Retrain? After all, the relevant institutions, they say, still exist. More energetic to involve in the activities of methodical associations? Assign mentors to them?


A child during classes with a tutor in the Russian language. Photo: Alexander Ryumin / TASS

In addition, after all, now every five years, the teacher must be re-certified to confirm and / or receive the next category. And for this you need to do a lot, oh, do it: go through the 72-hour courses, where they not only tell, but ask. By the way, these courses are de jure free, but de facto how lucky anyone will be. Need a workshop for certification. In addition, you should submit a lot of documents: the results of the Unified State Examination, the Olympiad (and not a school one, but a higher rank), a list of publications. Yes, a lot more then. Thus, it is impossible to identify a neznak? Why? Then why will it be possible to identify them in the course of the “competency study” that has not yet been tested and not completely invented? And then why all this trouble with certification and categories?

It seems that the answer is simple and lies on the surface: the whole idea, poorly explained, carried out at the speeds of the Large Hadron Collider, has one goal: the next dismissal of teachers. And due to this, some increase in salaries to the lucky ones. Experience shows that any innovation of our socio-educational and health authorities ends only with this — budget optimization. Why this time should be different?

But here another problem arises. But why carry out such complex manipulations, invent “tools”, organize “approbations”, explore “competences” if all the teachers - and especially the Russian language, literature and mathematics - can simply be expelled all together. For why are they needed now? After all, in parallel with the Ministry of Education, the Concept of teaching Russian language and literature in schools is being adopted for general discussion, which will completely deprive the very need for students to study these subjects.

“It’s too early to talk about the results of the discussion: it has just begun; but I will predict his main result right now, ”publicist Alexander Privalov predicts. - We will be informed that in the hot discussions the society comprehensively assessed the idea of ​​splitting the final exam in Russian into a basic and profile level - and this idea was approved. This will be a historic step. Only it still lacks it so that an ordinary school finally becomes a school where it is not necessary to study ... What a splitting of the final exam will actually mean is easy to see from the example of mathematics. This compulsory subject went on such a road a year earlier, and you can already see what comes to it. ”

“The introduction of the Unified State Exam has deprived the school of the right to evaluate the success of its students: the graduation and entrance exams merged, or rather, the second one swallowed the first,” continues Alexander Privalov. - Until recently, there were two mandatory exams: mathematics and Russian; in all other school subjects, it was almost officially allowed not to learn and not to study - this did not threaten anyone. With the splitting of the exam, mathematics becomes almost optional. The “base” level of the child will pass in the ninth grade, without straining at all (for a satisfactory assessment, you need to solve three or four tasks on the account within the first hundred), and then stop even pretending that it teaches some kind of mathematics. Now, I'm afraid we will see the same thing with the Russian language. Even the current exam on it easily passes to the top three an intelligent preschooler (confirmation is easy to find in runet), and the future “basic” will inevitably be even easier. ”

Therefore, in order to train for the “basic” level of the unified state examination of the schoolchild, or whatever it is now called “the consumer of educational services,” neither pedagogical institutes, teacher training institutes, or arrogant professors with academics and their expensive academies will be needed. And future teachers - or in a new way to call them “producers of educational services” - could be prepared in the Armed Forces, again for synergy and for greater efficiency. And what is the result of all this savings! In the Ministry of Finance, the savings will be calculated - and they will not be able to count how many of them will be. And then somewhere they will put it in a secret place so that not a single penny saved will be spent for anything. Then the real monetary beauty will come! And the Russian language? Well, who needs it - let him hire tutors and take the “core” part of the Unified State Exam, and then he goes to that unfortunate dozen of higher educational institutions that remain.

“Splitting the unified state examination in Russian is not only a step towards the destruction of the school, it is a way to destroy the nation,” Alexander Privalov sadly concludes. - The proposed innovation will put an end to any attempts to rectify the situation with the teaching of Russian language and Russian literature. And the situation is simply dangerous. Russian is not just one of the school subjects. This is the backbone of the nation. The way we speak Russian depends on the intellectual level of the nation; how we teach children the Russian language depends on the future of the nation, its very safety in the future. Providing the Ministry of Education with the opportunity to continue reporting on the 98-percentage level of mastering the Russian language, despite the fact that school graduates will not be able to either write or even understand two paragraphs of simple text, is to click on a national catastrophe. And, of course, this innovation will finish the secondary school, depriving it of the last tool - the last element of commitment that it offers to its students. Studying at school with the complete elimination of serious examinations even cannot be called profanation. ”
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  1. Baikonur
    Baikonur 19 November 2015 17: 48 New
    70
    Each year, the exam drives another, even bigger nail into the coffin of the education system! Because more and more are uneducated, who then begin to form even less the next generation!
    In 1920, the Council of People's Commissars adopted a decree establishing the All-Russian Extraordinary Commission on the Eradication of Illiteracy (Cheka literacy program), the decisions of which were binding. .
    The curriculum required extensive organized training for teachers and other teaching staff. By the fall of 1920, only the Cheka’s organs in educational programs in 26 provinces created courses for teachers - liquidators of illiteracy.
    The 1st All-Russian Congress on the Elimination of Illiteracy (1922) recognized the need for priority literacy training for industrial workers and state farms, trade unions and other workers aged 18-30. The term of study at the clinic was set at 7 months (6-8 hours weekly).
    On August 14, 1923, a decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR “On the Elimination of Illiteracy” was issued, supplementing the decree of December 26 and setting the number of instructional schools to 1072 (574 liquidation points and 498 schools for uneducated). In the fall of 1923, the All-Russian Volunteer Society Down with Illiteracy was created.
    The largest social contingent in which to combat illiteracy was the so-called street children - children who lost not only relatives, but also their place of residence during the First World War and the Civil War. In the RSFSR in 1921, there were 4,5 million [11], and in the USSR as a whole in 1922, up to 7 million [12].
    On January 27, 1921, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee Children's Commission (the Commission for the Improvement of the Life of Children) was created, headed by Felix Dzerzhinsky. The main thing, after providing housing, an activity carried out in the course of the fight against homelessness, was to teach children to read and write. In addition to the People's Commissariat of Education, public organizations also dealt with these problems, including the V. Lenin Fund for Assisting Street Children. In 1925, the public organization Friends of Children was created in the USSR [13]. By the beginning of 1928, there were about 300 thousand homeless children throughout the USSR [12], and on May 31, 1935, in a decree of the USSR Council of People's Commissars and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks “On the Elimination of Child Homelessness and Homelessness”, it was stated that mass homelessness in the country was eliminated.
    So, in a short time, literacy (enormous) was almost completely eliminated, and later, thanks to this, Soviet society reached the highest level of education, education, upbringing!
    And now - the elimination of literacy (LIKGRAM)
    Degradation. Sabotage. Government!
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 November 2015 17: 52 New
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      Quote: Baikonur
      Every year, the exam drives another, even larger nail into the coffin of the education system!



      The exam is a slow, very well-planned, sabotage against Russia and no one really cares.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 19 November 2015 18: 49 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        The exam is a slow, very well-planned, sabotage against Russia and no one really cares.

        This is all clear, and who among you commenting here passed the exam? I mean, I didn’t just look at the assignments, but really prepare and give in with the rest of the students? I do not want to question the objectivity of your thoughts about exams, or the oral comments of your children. I want to hear the gaze of an adult through this past.
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 19 November 2015 19: 08 New
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          I want to hear the gaze of an adult through this past.

          look - you can not hear
          man is he, not it
          "Я хочу узнать мнение человека через это прошедшего." (но лучше еще проще)
          "Хочу узнать мнение человека сдававшего ЕГЭ"
          ----------------------------------------------
          Моё поколение в советской школе по всем предметам "гоняли". Каждый день и ЕГЭ и ОГОГО. winked
          1. vet6
            vet6 19 November 2015 23: 07 New
            +2
            [ Turkir ]["Хочу узнать мнение человека сдававшего ЕГЭ"]
            Я сдавал это "ЕГЭ". Полная гадость и обалванивание покалений.
            How does a machine determine whether an excellent student or not? I handed over, or the decision is not written flawed.
            Значит все должны думать однатипно? что бы "машина" поняла?
            But what about creativity? everyone thinks differently.
            Some solve the task on three sheets, others in five lines, but the answer is correct here and there.
            Example: N.V. Gogol is this?
            1) The great Russian writer.
            2) Drink.
            3) Знаменитый "укропатреот"
            4) Интернет "троль"-блогер
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 20 November 2015 01: 04 New
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              Как достало это, скм, неприкасаемое министерство! Даже сердюка выдавили, а этим хоть бы хрен по деревне! Сра ной метлой всех оттуда гнать на улицу в целях оптимизации! Вместе с Димой Медведевым! Я, вообще, ох фигеваю от современного образования! Сын физкультуру и труд делает письменно! По физре целый учебник наваяли! Теоретики етить! Вам часы девать некуда? Добавьте к русскому и математике! Нафига! Мы лучше два иностранных языка учить будем! Я извиняюсь, вы де билы-министры недоразвитые, как ребенок должен учить правила иностранного языка, если он правила своего родного языка еще не знает? Как ему объяснять?! "Нанимайте репетитора" - ответ на все случаи жизни! А нахрена спрашивается нужна такая школа? Убейтесь об стену, гады! Пора как-то организовываться против этого министерства вредителей!
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 20 November 2015 06: 10 New
                +1
                I want to hear the gaze of an adult through this past.

                I also sometimes want to hear myself, but it is silent!
              2. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 13 New
                +2
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                I'm sorry, you de-bil-ministers are underdeveloped

                Why are you so bad about getting the best in the world? laughing
            2. kuznec
              kuznec 20 November 2015 06: 13 New
              +2
              I immediately counted 12 errors in your message. Indeed, the exam is evil!
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: kuznec
                I immediately counted 12 errors in your message. Indeed, the exam is evil!

                Ah hatiti(hyh - titi laughing ) I will tell you ashipak panapishu pabolshi? With the best in the world, and. It's easy. laughing
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            4. Oleko
              Oleko 20 November 2015 08: 47 New
              +1
              [quote = vet6]
              vet6


              Yesterday, 23: 07

              ↑ ↓ New


              [ Turkir ]["Хочу узнать мнение человека сдававшего ЕГЭ"]Я сдавал это "ЕГЭ". Полная гадость и обалванивание покалений.Как машина определяет, отличник или нет? сдал, или написано решение не по клеше.Значит все должны думать однатипно? что бы "машина" поняла?А как же творчество? думают все поразному. Одни решают задание на трех листах, другие в пяти строках, но ответ верен там и там.Пример: Н.В. Гоголь-это?1) Великий Русский писатель.2) Напиток.3) Знаменитый "укропатреот"4) Интернет "троль"-блогер[/quote
              Generations
              One type
            5. Slavs
              Slavs 20 November 2015 10: 52 New
              +3
              Dear vet6, I put you a plus, but the number of errors in the text ... request Вот вам и ЕГЭ... Уже тоскую по "советскому образованию"... Сын в 11 классе... Это катастрофа, руки опускаются... Хорошо еще что то помню, могу "доучить " дома, а вот что он даст своим детям ?... За внуков страшно... В образовании полная деградация... У меня на работе манагер с двумя высшими пишет "пожалусто"... Караул , б..ть!
          2. Alexei
            Alexei 20 November 2015 08: 34 New
            -3
            Quote: Turkir
            look - you can not hear
            man is he, not it
            "Я хочу узнать мнение человека через это прошедшего." (но лучше еще проще)
            "Хочу узнать мнение человека сдававшего ЕГЭ"

            I am very happy that not all are so illiterate as me. And I really hope that you, honorable comrade, have received positive emotions when you pointed out my shortcomings.
            Quote: Turkir
            Моё поколение в советской школе по всем предметам "гоняли". Каждый день и ЕГЭ и ОГОГО.
            А вам не кажется, что поколение уже другое? Причем не только учеников, но и учителей. Моя мать всю жизнь проработала школьным учителем, дедушка и бабушка были учителями, меня учили учителя советской закваски. Я знаю об образовании достаточно. И ЕГЭ я сдал. Вы посмотрите на это с другой стороны. Социальное расслоение началось в середине-конце 90х, начали покупаться дипломы, аттестаты продавались. В итоге сейчас мы имеем очень много "специалистов" во всех отраслях. ЕГЭ это вынужденная мера, правда плохо еще проработанная.
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        3. veksha50
          veksha50 19 November 2015 19: 11 New
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          Quote: Alexej
          This is all clear, and who among you commenting here passed the exam? I mean, I didn’t just look at the assignments, but really prepare and give in with the rest of the students?



          Just the other day at VO, a forty-year-old man told how he tried to pass this exam ...

          Reading his story was funny, but even more painful and annoying ...

          And for a small example - in one of the schools of a small town, the girl studied all the time in fives, and one boy never got above three ... So, this year the boy has fives in the exam, and the girl has fours and three. ..

          ЕГЭ не приучивает думать и искать информацию... На ЕГЭ со школьником никто не ведет беседу, не "прощупывает" его знания... Фактически, когда перед тобой стоят несколько ответов на один вопрос, и ты даже приблизительно (!!!) не знаешь, какой из них правильно, то по наитию тычешь в один из них... И этот "тык" может стать твоей совершенно незаслуженной удачей...
          1. sky diver
            sky diver 19 November 2015 20: 11 New
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            I’ll add my trailer to your comment. My daughter graduated from school with a gold medal. The last three years of training with tutors in three subjects. As a result, often instead of the teacher, she explained to her classmates the subject in the lesson. The joke was on him. Threes in a guessing game played 65-70 points. Fizmat class and my daughter decided on 50-52 points. We laugh further. Threes went to the budget, were expelled from the second year, and mine went to study at the university for money. It’s good that there is a desire to study, and to study perfectly, it’s already undergoing the first practice. And you say ... Medvedev knows everything, but he doesn’t. So this is beneficial to someone ...
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 19 November 2015 20: 24 New
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              Цитата: sky diver
              We laugh further. Threes went to the budget,



              I tried to laugh - something doesn’t work out ...
            2. Alexl
              Alexl 19 November 2015 23: 11 New
              +4
              Quote: sky diver
              Threes went to the budget, were expelled from the second year, and mine went to study at the university for money. It’s good that there is a desire to study, and to study perfectly, is already undergoing the first practice

              Paid education does not guarantee its quality.
              1. Freelancer7
                Freelancer7 20 November 2015 01: 19 New
                +7
                Here we are talking about the fact that those who were worthy of a budgetary place did not receive it, and the lack of holes received and shamed it ...
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 20 November 2015 10: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: AleksL
                Paid education does not guarantee its quality.

                Naturally. And who needs a fake education - wasted money. Here at our work one young man appeared with a university diploma, but it turned out that he, in the well-known word of three letters, makes four mistakes and his hands grow below the waist! smile It's a joke, of course, but the young man flew out of work like a traffic jam! And who needs it?hi
            3. Archon
              Archon 20 November 2015 11: 56 New
              +1
              Threes, by the way, are often quite successful in such matters. Then they will also find a well-paid job and will live well, with or without a diploma.
            4. 16112014nk
              16112014nk 20 November 2015 21: 38 New
              0
              Цитата: sky diver
              Medvedev knows everything

              "Айфон" - это вообще жертва аборта, или выражаясь политкорректно - ошибка природы. request
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 20 November 2015 21: 50 New
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                Quote: 16112014nk
                "Айфон" - это вообще жертва аборта

                lollipop chased him ...
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 19 November 2015 21: 08 New
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            Quote: veksha50
            In fact, when you are faced with several answers to one question, and you do not even approximately (!!!) know which one is correct,

            А как же ты учился ??? Зачем в школу ходил, если даже среди готовых вариантов "даже приблизительно (!!!) не знаешь" что выбрать ??? request
            1. vsoltan
              vsoltan 19 November 2015 21: 43 New
              +6
              It's just that the questions are posed incorrectly ... getting lost is not difficult.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 20 November 2015 10: 30 New
                -1
                Quote: vsoltan
                It's just that the questions are posed incorrectly ... getting lost is not difficult.

                If you know the material, do not get lost! If you are an ignoramus, sorry ... hi
          3. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 08: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: veksha50
            На ЕГЭ со школьником никто не ведет беседу, не "прощупывает" его знания... Фактически, когда перед тобой стоят несколько ответов на один вопрос, и ты даже приблизительно (!!!) не знаешь, какой из них правильно, то по наитию тычешь в один из них... И этот "тык" может стать твоей совершенно незаслуженной удачей...

            And once again I will repeat - exams in the SAI-STSI are the USE.
        4. nazar_0753
          nazar_0753 19 November 2015 23: 12 New
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          I passed the exam in 2014, in the past, therefore. I handed over three subjects - mathematics, Russian language and physics. The last one passed the worst - the first two were tutors. As a result, mathematics - 84, Russian - 87, physics - 58. In general, I passed quite well, which allowed me to go in the target direction to MSTU. Bauman. But personally, I don’t like the low threshold for passing the exam. To pass the Russian language, it was enough to score 28 (!) Points out of 100, and to pass the rest - 32 points.
          Я, к сожалению, в силу возраста не имею возможности сравнить эту систему с предыдущей, с выпускными и вступительными экзаменами. Но убеждён, что всё, что выполняется со словами "оптимизация", "инновация" и прочими "модными словами", добром обычно не кончается. А уж если нам говорят, что образование - это "продукт", я бы таких умников отправил бы изготавливать другой продукт. Продукт лесозаготовительной промышленности. И на своём участке лесоповала пусть оптимизируют что угодно
          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 19 November 2015 23: 21 New
            10
            nazar_0753
            The words are not a boy, but a husband, a correct assessment of the Bologna system.
          2. Slavs
            Slavs 20 November 2015 13: 29 New
            0
            Bravo, young man !!! You think sensibly and this cannot but rejoice.
          3. PSih2097
            PSih2097 20 November 2015 21: 55 New
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            Quote: nazar_0753
            And let them optimize anything on their site

            it doesn’t work, there, for exceeding the norm, they will be arranged in a barrack with a rule, with a subsequent direction to the shaft or as close to the bucket as possible ...
        5. CONTROL
          CONTROL 20 November 2015 09: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexej
          This is all clear, and who among you commenting here passed the exam? I mean, I didn’t just look at the assignments, but really prepare and give in with the rest of the students? I do not want to question the objectivity of your thoughts about exams, or the oral comments of your children. I want to hear the gaze of an adult through this past.

          "Сдавал" - с двумя своими детьми! и был у них "репетитором" по нескольким предметам (совсем не с целью "экономии"...)
          therefore cniza /The exam is a slow, very well-planned, sabotage against Russia and no one really cares. and ++++ ...
        6. quatro_globus
          quatro_globus 20 November 2015 10: 39 New
          +3
          Так уж получилось, но я в 2013 году сдавал ЕГЭ... Ощущения намного ниже среднего... В вечерней школе, где я заканчивал 11-й класс, вместо полноценной учебы было тупое прорешивание заданий ЕГЭ прошлых лет, без обьяснения сути заданий. "Берешь эту формулу и подставляешь эти числа сюда и ответ записываешь так..." На уроках русского языка писали сочинения по плану и так же решали примеры прошлых лет. Мне повезло тем, что в свое время в школе, у меня были сильные преподаватели еще старой советской подготовки,которые неплохо мне вдолбили в голову базовые навыки, и я сдал неплохо ЕГЭ. Возможно еще и то, что много читаю и память хорошая, помогло на экзаменах.
          My opinion is that the Unified State Examination, as an experiment, is successful, but NOT IN RUSSIA !!! Let them play around with them, but we must return our old, time-tested, high-quality Soviet education, but with amendments to the current realities.
        7. PSih2097
          PSih2097 20 November 2015 21: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Alexej
          Quote: cniza
          The exam is a slow, very well-planned, sabotage against Russia and no one really cares.

          This is all clear, and who among you commenting here passed the exam? I mean, I didn’t just look at the assignments, but really prepare and give in with the rest of the students? I do not want to question the objectivity of your thoughts about exams, or the oral comments of your children. I want to hear the gaze of an adult through this past.

          For the sake of interest (I was a teacher of law) I wrote the Unified State Exam, wrote it to the top three, BUT, BUT The illiteracy of the compilers of this test horrified me, exactly half of the answers were correct, though only from the side of ideology ...
          example
          What happened on November 7, 1917 in St. Petersburg (actually it was already Petrograd)?
          and. the riot of drunken soldiers and sailors, b. armed coup of the Bolsheviks, p. October Revolution, d. I don’t remember anymore, but laughed for a long time ...
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 19 November 2015 19: 04 New
        24
        Quote: cniza
        The exam is a slow, very well-planned, sabotage against Russia and no one really cares.


        For now, I will not talk about the President - he is probably far from the problems of school education, but I should think about where tomorrow or the day after tomorrow we will get smart engineers, scientists, designers, doctors, etc. etc.

        I would like to draw attention to the Prime Minister ... if I am not mistaken, his work biography includes teaching at St. Petersburg (and I want to say - Leningrad) University ... Still, he was an assistant professor ...

        And really, he, yesterday’s teacher of an elite academic institution, does not understand what is happening with our education ???

        Plus, to deprive the people of all the wealth of the Russian language - this, I’m not afraid to say, leads to the fact that soon (in 15-20 years, maybe more) the younger generation will receive some kind of move for communication in everyday life ...

        Да она, эта "мова", уже и появилась с 90-х годов еще... Вы вслушайтесь в разговорную речь своих детей и внуков, которую они приносят не только с улицы, но и из школы (!!!)...

        You read and listen to the text of our writers and journalists who do not really know not only their native language, but also the geography of their country, and there is nothing to say about its history ...

        And it’s already today ... What will happen tomorrow is terrible to imagine ... It’s only calming (I, like a stupid penguin, hide not only a fat body in the cliffs, but also my mind) - I won’t live to THIS already .. Just physically ... And many will have to come to terms with this surrounding and live ... Or not ??? !!!
        1. dauria
          dauria 19 November 2015 19: 29 New
          20
          I then will not live up to SUCH ... Just physically ... And many will have to come to terms with this surrounding and live ... Or not ??? !!!



          smile" Рабы должны быть невежественными и желательно неграмотными." Для чего тогда учить всех подряд?

          Ну, а тем кому придется жить, "смиряться" не придётся- они родились и росли вместе с этой новой системой и другой просто не знают. smile Это Вам плохо, а им-то что? Чтобы быть "счастливым", необязательно знать русский язык. Иногда достаточно быть сытым.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 19: 35 New
            -16
            Quote: dauria
            " Рабы должны быть невежественными и желательно неграмотными." Для чего тогда учить всех подряд?

            Who is stopping you from learning, teaching yourself? We call it self-education.
            1. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 19 November 2015 21: 24 New
              +6
              set a minus - why didn’t you stay at home with self-education and go to school and further? - and do not keep the children at home 100 percent sure that you don’t like that self-education, but you offer others
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 05: 35 New
                0
                Quote: Leshy74
                set a minus - why didn’t you stay at home with self-education and go to school and further? - and do not keep the children at home 100 percent sure that you don’t like that self-education, but you offer others

                I didn’t go to school myself; my parents sent me there. And it was impossible not to send children to school - it was fraught with repression.

                Quote: Leshy74
                and do not keep children at home 100 percent sure than you do not like self-education

                Так я и не кричал караул от ЕГЭ. Вы же тупо не понимаете, что, как я уже писал на этой странице - "точно так сдают ПДД и всех это устраивает". ЕГЭ, это ВСЕГО ЛИШЬ проверка.
                I do not keep children at home, the oldest is already over 30. wink
                And you act like a zombie.

                Quote: Leshy74
                but offer others

                Do not want to change anything, do not whine.
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 20 November 2015 10: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: Leshy74
                put a minus - why didn’t you stay at home with self-education and went to school and further?

                By self-education, it means more advanced knowledge in addition to the school curriculum! I hope you understand?hi
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 04 New
              10
              Vsedofeni

              Education should be state and systemic. Public education is the fundamental stone in a state basis.

              After the formation, the army and the Navy are already going.

              Self-education is a product originating from the system of correct state education.
              In simple words, the school learns to study all his life.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 05: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: gladcu2
                Education should be state and systemic. Public education is the fundamental stone in a state basis.

                It was. IN USSR. They say the best in the world. Maybe that's why the USSR ceased to exist ???

                Quote: gladcu2
                After the formation, the army and the Navy are already going.

                After education comes the office plankton.

                Quote: gladcu2
                In simple words, the school learns to study all his life.

                With your lips and honey to drink. But you, and your name is legion, like zombies repeat the same thing, not even trying to comprehend something. When I look at behavior like yours, I often recall a joke about a student.
                There is a monkey in the desert, hot, thirsty.
                And suddenly he sees: there is a palm tree, and on it is a coconut.
                Well, the monkey begins to shake it, and the inner voice says:
                " Обезьяна, подумай ! ".
                The monkey thought, took a stick, knocked a coconut and got drunk ...
                There is a student in the desert, hot, thirsty.
                And suddenly he sees: there is a palm tree, and on it is a coconut.
                Well, the student begins to shake her, and the inner voice says:
                " Студент, подумай ! ".
                - What is there to think, you need to shake!
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 20 November 2015 06: 13 New
                  +3
                  Vsedofeni

                  In my opinion, you should be stupid to think more clearly.
                  1. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 14 New
                    -2
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    In my opinion, you should be stupid to think more clearly.

                    Develop a thought. It’s hard for me to think of an undeveloped thought. laughing
            3. Alexl
              Alexl 19 November 2015 23: 12 New
              +1
              Well, who? Of course, Putin is to blame for everything. Including and in folk laziness.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 19 November 2015 23: 36 New
                +6
                Quote: AleksL
                Of course, Putin is to blame for everything.

                It is not true, he is not to blame for anything, it is the people who endure all this are to blame.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 05: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  the people who endure all this are to blame.

                  You sleep and see how to destroy Russia for the third time, already to the end. Directly, you have increased maydanut. You just have to go to the direct calls for the overthrow of power. fool
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              3. 3officer
                3officer 19 November 2015 23: 42 New
                -7
                Всё пропало!!!!!Учиться не дают!!!Учить не дают!!АААаааа!!Измена - говорят ,что царь не настоящий!!Путин виноват!! Садики со школой обьединяют!!!Все виноватые кругом давайте возвращать гимназисток и кадеток и царско-сельский лицей в придачу.С такими воплями только на "Эхо" там поймут и укажут правильный путь.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 19 November 2015 23: 58 New
                  +7
                  Quote: 3officer
                  Everything is gone !!!!! They don’t give to study !!! They don’t give to teach !! AAAAaaaa !! Cheating - they say that the king is not real!

                  Wanted to bother?
                  Quote: 3officer
                  ! Putin is to blame !!

                  Everything is written a little higher ..
                  Quote: 3officer
                  С такими воплями только на "Эхо" там поймут и укажут правильный путь.

                  already chewed-chewed that the echo m is financed by the state-vom, and the Venediktov chain Kremlin dog ....
                  Do you have anything else left from the training manual? lol
                  1. 3officer
                    3officer 20 November 2015 00: 05 New
                    0
                    Again Treason !!! So I knew no one can be trusted. Honest though, tell me !!
                2. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 05: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 3officer
                  Всё пропало!!!!!Учиться не дают!!!Учить не дают!!АААаааа!!Измена - говорят ,что царь не настоящий!!Путин виноват!! Садики со школой обьединяют!!!Все виноватые кругом давайте возвращать гимназисток и кадеток и царско-сельский лицей в придачу.С такими воплями только на "Эхо" там поймут и укажут правильный путь.

                  Similar libel is written and published for the sole purpose of TO CAUSE DISPLEASURE OF THE PEOPLE BY THE POWER !!!

                  It’s especially funny to see these lascivious people on VO amid yesterday’s poll about the state. financing (http://topwar.ru/86290-v-razdumyah-po-povodu-dostoy
                  no-li-voennoe-obozrenie-gosfinansirovaniya.html #). Is this stupidity multiplied by naivety? fool

                  Gentlemen, administrators and owners of HE, with such publications, you will not only not receive the state. financing, you and the state itself risk losing!
            4. CONTROL
              CONTROL 20 November 2015 10: 03 New
              0
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Who is stopping you from learning, teaching yourself? We call it self-education.

              Pedagogy is the science of educating and training a person. The subject of pedagogy is a holistic pedagogical process of the directed development and formation of the personality in the conditions of its upbringing, training and education.
              Self-education can be only and exclusively based on the initial amount systematized (reduced to the system) knowledge!
              А так - САМО-образовываться - получите не Ломоносова, а изобретателя "вечного двигателя с приводом от брожения картофельных очисток", или какого-нито "народного целителя", каких сейчас пруд пруди- не запрудишь...
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 10: 41 New
                0
                Quote: CONTROL
                Self-education can only and exclusively be based on the initial amount of systematized (reduced to the system) knowledge!

                Parents...

                И не забывайте ,что у "педагогов" куча проблем со своими детьми.
            5. Bayonet
              Bayonet 20 November 2015 10: 45 New
              0
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Who is stopping you from learning, teaching yourself? We call it self-education.

              Просто удивительная реакция на правильные слова - 22 минуса! А как же русская пословица - "век живи - век учись" ? А как же завещание Ильича - "Учиться, учиться и еще раз учиться"? request
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 20 November 2015 15: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Bayonet
                Just an amazing reaction to the right words - 22 minuses!

                Да, похоже для некоторых более актуальны - "смотришь в книгу - видишь фигу" или "век учись - д у р а к о м помрешь!"
              2. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 17: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Bayonet
                Just an amazing reaction to the right words - 22 minuses!

                Natural. laughing
                Fools believe that minus they will fix the situation. fool

                Quote: Bayonet
                А как же русская пословица - "век живи - век учись" ? А как же завещание Ильича - "Учиться, учиться и еще раз учиться"? request

                Well, what are you, what are you, their knowledge, is an absolute in a cubic square. laughing
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          2. Patriot2012
            Patriot2012 19 November 2015 21: 53 New
            +9
            This is precisely noticed, and this is done by our government on purpose and systematically, we add to this the closure of schools and kindergartens in villages, when regional leaders openly say that kindergartens and schools in villages are not promising. And the conclusion suggests itself that the government, or rather its steering wheel and some close associates, act in the interests of the enemies of the state. Although it may not be evil, given that the decisions made by our government are canceled after a short time and other fundamentally opposed to the first are adopted. We can say that the government does not know the ultimate goal of their actions and therefore they do not understand what they are doing, what they are doing, they are doing the job in short for the cause itself, and not for the end result.
            So, the conclusion is twofold.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 05: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Patriot2012
              And the conclusion suggests itself that the government, or rather its steering wheel and some close associates, act in the interests of the enemies of the state.

              Yes Yes Yes!!! This is what the enemies are talking about !!! Putin must leave! laughing
              У вас не хватает в риторике тезиса о "разорванной в клочья экономике". Добавьте этот тезис и хоть сейчас идите баллотироваться в президенты...США. laughing
              1. TanyaKar
                TanyaKar 20 November 2015 06: 35 New
                +1
                Reply to Patriot 2012.
                Yes, it’s not the enemies who write this, you’re our patriot .... I couldn’t help but be sorry for you, do not blame me.
                Ни кто не призывает поменять президента Путина, не передергивайте. Экономика возможно в клочьи не разорвана, а вот образование летит под откос... Я вам так скажу, Патриот 2012 : " Служить бы рад, - прислуживаться тошно"....
                Maybe this site is revered by the people from the US State Department, but something I really doubt it.
                They have a specific style, quite easily recognizable and recognizable. Read more and listen more to great professionals in the field of economics, geopolitics, the history of the development of countries on the European continent and not only. You are apparently still a very young man, judging by your reaction.
                Что по вашему должны сделать патриоты страны , чтобы не допустить тотального уничтожения системы образования в России? Сердюков это тоже патриот, лучший представитель военной элиты страны? На каждом серьезном и ответственном посту должны быть профессионалы, а не назначенцы или ставленники какой- то там " бизнесэлиты".
          3. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 19 November 2015 23: 32 New
            +5
            Quote: dauria
            Ну, а тем кому придется жить, "смиряться" не придётся- они родились и росли вместе с этой новой системой и другой просто не знают. smile Это Вам плохо, а им-то что? Чтобы быть "счастливым", необязательно знать русский язык. Иногда достаточно быть сытым.

            You perfectly set out +100500.
            The task of power is to really grow a generation of slaves, and to destroy those who lived and studied in a different, Soviet coordinate system.
            What power is doing well!
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 05: 58 New
              -3
              Quote: Stroporez
              What power is doing well!

              You left me no chance. laughing

              “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
              And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

              Quote: bmw
              Our price is 864 mp. The rate of 13,17%. Down payment 260 tr. CASCO 30 tr. Credit for three years. Monthly payment 21521 rub.

              Well, just poverty brought to despair !!! laughing
              1. TanyaKar
                TanyaKar 20 November 2015 07: 11 New
                +2
                You have correctly characterized yourself, nickname - Vsedofeni speaks for itself.
                Do not wiggle nasty. Unfortunately, there is poverty in Russia, almost brought to despair.
                This cannot and should not be funny.
                For me, you are a nasty cynic or a very young cynic from a perestroika coordinate system.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 07: 41 New
                  -2
                  Quote: TanyaKar
                  Unfortunately, there is poverty in Russia, almost brought to despair.

                  There is, but this poverty does not exist here. Poverty did not go far to Bolotnaya either. And in the 90s the whole country was poor and nothing, everyone got their crust. People simply did not care about cars and other luxury goods. In other words, when it’s bad, they sit and do not tweet.
            2. TanyaKar
              TanyaKar 20 November 2015 07: 00 New
              +1
              Answer Stroporezu (2)
              Я тоже жила и училась в советской системе координат и подписываюсь под всем, о чем вы написали.... Эта власть или кто- то в нашей власти, ведь тоже учились в советской системе координат, но впечатление такое что они еще с тех времен - завербованные агенты англосаксов. Пошучу: " Гады, воры, , - собаки не той породы"...Для них слова: " Есть такая прфессия - защищать свою Родину из кинофильма " Офицеры" - это пустой звук... Однажды они должны отвалиться, как кусок сухого дерьма и стечь в канализационную яму истории ... Истории Государства Российского.
              And the clouds rose over the city and the air smells of a thunderstorm, gentlemen, officers, soldiers and cadets of military schools!
              " Будьте бдительны, люди"... Писал Юлиус Фучек . Русские пассионарии однажды смогут собраться воедино и сломать шею всем " перестроечникам" , убивающим Россию и ее не самый плохой народ. Вот как- то так.
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          5. CONTROL
            CONTROL 20 November 2015 09: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            smile" Рабы должны быть невежественными и желательно неграмотными." ... Это Вам плохо, а им-то что? Чтобы быть "счастливым", необязательно знать русский язык. Иногда достаточно быть сытым.

            ... I would ask: literate? to count you! Do you write poems? do you know the tables? on the count, you know too much! ...
            ... Where would it come from? oh yes, the Strugatsky ...
        2. WINovikov
          WINovikov 19 November 2015 20: 02 New
          +9
          The Prime Minister could only enter Hebrew instead of the Russian language. And everything else has already been done.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 20 November 2015 06: 31 New
            -1
            Quote: WINovikov
            The Prime Minister could only enter Hebrew instead of the Russian language.

            Why do you need Hebrew? When you write this, turn on your head or not? It looks like the switch is broken!
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 42 New
              -3
              Quote: Bayonet
              It looks like the switch is broken!

              The switch is working !!! The switch is palamate !!! laughing
        3. Shveps
          Shveps 19 November 2015 21: 39 New
          12
          Quote: veksha50
          For now, I’m not going to talk about the President - he’s probably far from the problems of school education,


          You can’t touch Putin! He is not in the know. He, like Serdyukov, was misled.
          Everything related to education, health care, housing and communal services, mass culture, drug problems, prostitution, homelessness, unemployment, suicides of adolescents (Russia is at the 1 place), mass abortion, total theft of officials at all levels - THIS IS A MISLEAD.
          The Russian people have never lived so freely and happily on their land.
          Glory to Putin!
          1. 3officer
            3officer 19 November 2015 21: 52 New
            -7
            Yeah, she’s a betrayal! And who will replace Sobchak with Navalny. When Bora Alcohol blossomed as much as education and bright hopes.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 28 New
            +2
            Shveps

            Tell me please.

            Fuck V.V. Putin your GLORY?

            Tell me better thanks to Putin. This is more enjoyable. And the glory is in this herd of sheep, who did not teach history at school and call themselves proud horses. They praise everything in a row, wretched.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 17: 52 New
              0
              Quote: gladcu2
              They praise everything in a row, wretched.

              And those who scam all in a row and whine about and without - who? request
          3. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 22 New
            -3
            Quote: Shveps
            The Russian people have never lived so freely and happily on their land.

            This is how they lived in the USSR! bully
            Even there is such a song - I don’t know of another such country where a person breathes so freely.
            And where is he this USSR? request

            Quote: Shveps
            Glory to Putin!

            “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
            And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

            Quote: bmw
            Our price is 864 mp. The rate of 13,17%. Down payment 260 tr. CASCO 30 tr. Credit for three years. Monthly payment 21521 rub.

            Well, just poverty brought to despair !!! laughing
        4. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 20 November 2015 03: 38 New
          0
          Quote: veksha50
          For now, I will not talk about the President - he is probably far from the problems of school education, but I should think about where tomorrow or the day after tomorrow we will get smart engineers, scientists, designers, doctors, etc. etc.


          He is generally far from the internal affairs of the country ...
          While according to Bloomberg’s assessment, the income level of Russians fell to the level of 1999 .. tolos believe tol to cry .. and ahead of 2016 is not the most rosy year in the economy ..
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            rated bloomer

            Ahhh ... well, if Bloomberg himself ... fool laughing
            Did Bloomberg whisper to you about state debts? Only in Russia is everything bad?

            Quote: afdjhbn67
            tolle believe tolle cry

            Tolya, where are you, believe and cry. laughing

            Quote: afdjhbn67
            and ahead of 2016 is not the most rosy year in the economy ..

            Favorite67, he has been going on since the world crisis since 2007. And it will EVERYWHERE deepen and expand. In the West it will be much worse, I suppose. wink
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 20 November 2015 06: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              believe and cry.

              Men do not cry.. laughing take an example from me
              . minus why? abysmally understand .. you didn’t like
              Что касаемо штатов будет статья и их обсудим "бедственное" положение wassat
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 57 New
                -1
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                . minus why? abysmally understand .. you didn’t like

                Not a minus. angry

                Quote: afdjhbn67
                Что касаемо штатов будет статья и их обсудим "бедственное" положение wassat

                Rot rot always, rot rot everywhere, rot rot and blame the hegemon !!!
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 20 November 2015 11: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi

                  Rot rot always, rot rot everywhere, rot rot and blame the hegemon !!!

                  It’s hard to disagree ..
              2. TanyaKar
                TanyaKar 20 November 2015 07: 17 New
                +1
                We will discuss once and the plight of the United States ... It's not yet evening, - as they say ....
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 07: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: TanyaKar
                  We will discuss once and the plight of the United States ... It's not yet evening, - as they say ....

                  You can not scold your country. We already have the same fires, floods, accidents, killings and other negatives in all the media. It seems that everything is bad in Russia. And this is far from the case.

                  “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
                  And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

                  Quote: bmw
                  Our price is 864 mp. The rate of 13,17%. Down payment 260 tr. CASCO 30 tr. Credit for three years. Monthly payment 21521 rub.

                  Well, just poverty brought to despair !!! laughing
        5. CONTROL
          CONTROL 20 November 2015 09: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: veksha50
          - I’ll never live up to SUCH ... Just physically ... And many will have to come to terms with this surrounding and live ... Or not ??? !!!

          ... why I won’t live there! HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED ... OR PREPARED? ... OR PASSED ...
          А может, устаканится всё? И - помучаемся, поплюхаемся. да и подгоним ЕГЭ со всей болонской системой под свои, внутрироссийские "стандарты"...которые: "...строгость наших законов компенсируется необязательностью их исполнения..."
      3. vgorlekost
        vgorlekost 19 November 2015 19: 38 New
        12
        Quote: cniza
        The exam is a slow, very well-planned, sabotage against Russia and no one really cares.

        So the Russian authorities themselves do all this !!! And this sabotage against the people, because stupid cattle is easier to manage. What is happening almost all over the world - the authorities act the same way, in the United States and in our country. This is while we are laughing at their level of education, soon there will be no one .... Those born in the USSR will die out and there will be no dissatisfied.
        1. TanyaKar
          TanyaKar 20 November 2015 07: 20 New
          +1
          Do not die out! To find in Russia Alyosha Popovich and Ilya Muromets.
          Do not lose heart, Lieutenant ....
      4. sailor roman
        sailor roman 19 November 2015 19: 43 New
        +4
        I agree, for sure!
      5. moskowit
        moskowit 19 November 2015 19: 50 New
        19
        When at work, I spoke to a small young generation (23-31 year) that in 1970 at the end of school, we passed final exams in literature and the Russian language in writing (writing 6 hours), mathematics in writing (solving a problem, a trigonometric example, and three more assignments, 4 hours), literature verbally, mathematics verbally, physics verbally (1th ticket I still remember. 1 Newton’s law and lens formula, problem), chemistry orally, history and social studies, and a foreign language (English).
        Hardly anyone believed me. Out loud with notes of doubt, they expressed great surprise ...
        And you say the exam .... This is not even a diversion, but a crime against the Russian state!
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 08 New
          +1
          moskowit

          In Ukraine, exams began from the fifth grade.
          1. moskowit
            moskowit 20 November 2015 21: 07 New
            0
            You are right, in the Ukrainian SSR there were laws according to the Ministry of Education. In 1965, when I graduated from the 5 class of a Russian school, I took an exam in Russian, a dictation. In the sixth grade there were arithmetic and exposition. In the RSFSR, the first exams were for 8 classes.
        2. Koshak
          Koshak 20 November 2015 05: 37 New
          0
          Literature was also oral.
        3. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 11 New
          -3
          Quote: moskowit
          And you say the exam .... This is not even a diversion, but a crime against the Russian state!

          The crime was the dismemberment of the USSR by brainless corrupt communists in 1991.

      6. marlin1203
        marlin1203 19 November 2015 21: 36 New
        +5
        Why is it incomprehensible. Capitalism. A good education is for the rich. The rest let them read rap or make their way in sports. laughing
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 15 New
          +1
          marlin1203

          The collapse of the educational system is not connected with capitalism. I can briefly give out why so.

          Killing kennedy remember? Kennedy was considered the last president of an independent country. Further, the American government began to be considered puppet in the hands of the owners of the global financial system.

          The only ones who could confront the financiers are states. To increase their survival, financiers began to undermine educational systems everywhere. And put your puppet government.
          Well, in order to justify their actions, they put forward the idea of ​​universal globalization.
          1. TanyaKar
            TanyaKar 20 November 2015 07: 35 New
            0
            The answer to the emigrant is lieutenant colonel.
            Well done lieutenant colonel, form an online community!
            They may be interested, but what is the word - globalization?
            Write and comment, water and stone wears away. Let this be our small contribution (Imigranian) in that victory, which Russia again needs so much.
            He who knows how to listen, let him hear us - comes from the USSR. The last fight, it’s the most difficult ... But I really want to go to Russia, I want to go home .... But there is no way to return, there is nowhere and no one to - unfortunately.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 07: 44 New
              -1
              Quote: TanyaKar
              But there is no way to return, there is nowhere and no one to - unfortunately.

              Look at the topic of family estates ...
      7. Wolverine
        Wolverine 19 November 2015 22: 08 New
        +4
        The Ministry of Education is marching on grants from Soros, have the enemies clearly planned, when will our teachers arrange an all-Russian protest action?
      8. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 20 November 2015 03: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        USE is a slow, very well-planned, diversion

        Go to any pedagogical university and see what beggarly salaries teachers receive, including professors and doctors of sciences, what crazy load they have, what “modern” technical and methodological tools

        Here tears do not need to try to settle in any university - figs, keep everything in your teeth ...
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 19: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Here are the tears

          This is where you got tears from and why you climbed? laughing
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    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 19 November 2015 17: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: Baikonur
      Every year, the exam drives another, even larger nail into the coffin of the education system!

      But in schools, they quietly sabotage it ... wait for better times ... hi
      1. Constructor1
        Constructor1 19 November 2015 20: 06 New
        17

        ... Go to any pedagogical university and see what kind of beggarly salaries teachers receive, including professors and doctors of sciences, what crazy load they have, what .... How much they have to write to nobody who does not need and is not readable (school teachers concerns no less). And then think: who will go there to study and who teaches there? At best, enthusiasts, who still somehow restrain their domestic education.

        That's it to the point!
        How many teachers reported the average salary there - 32000 rubles ??? Who? such a salary may be a teacher with a load of 40-50 hours a week !!! I don’t know, maybe history or geography is possible, but mathematics?
        Жена в этом году взяла 18 часов (1 ставка) + два три - часа на доп. занятия, а по з/п это 15-17 тыщ!!! ГДЕ-32000 руб? При всем при том, что в этом году ей была вручена "Министерская грамота" - которую абы кому не дают. А сколько у неё уходит времени на школу... , уроки заканчиваются около 14-00, затем кружок или отработка, заполнение журналов, поверка тетрадей - все это до 17-18 часов.
        At 22 o’clock we’ll put the children, and the wife again sits down for lessons — notes, checks, reports, etc. and goes to bed at one o'clock - two nights ...
        Do you calculate the teacher’s working time? Nobody counts him sad
        1. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 19 November 2015 21: 26 New
          +3
          вы забыли про компьютер- его тоже нада учителю 2-3 часа " поучить"( в смысле 2-3 часа просидеть у клавиатуры)
          1. Constructor1
            Constructor1 20 November 2015 05: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Leshy74
            вы забыли про компьютер- его тоже нада учителю 2-3 часа " поучить"( в смысле 2-3 часа просидеть у клавиатуры)

            не забыл..., сейчас же новая мода, вести электронный журнал, т.е ей она сейчас ведет "свой" журнал, классный журнал (дневник ру), а вечером еще сидит и выставляет оценки в электронный.
            And if he plans to control, then I already help, scan them from task books, edit, disassemble by options and so on ...
            Damn yes to the printer, I buy a new cartridge every three months, but now it costs more than 1200 rubles ...
            And how many calls in the evening from parents and children ... so already I started to turn off the phone for a couple of hours in the evening so that they would not interfere at home.
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 23 New
          -1
          Constructor1

          I consider mathematics to be the most important school subject.

          It is difficult to determine the teacher’s workload. In other specialties, too many overloads. And production managers who live on stress live 24 hours a day.

          But at least teachers have 3 months of paid summer leave.
          1. Constructor1
            Constructor1 20 November 2015 05: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: gladcu2
            It is difficult to determine the teacher’s workload. In other specialties, too many overloads. And production managers who live on stress live 24 hours a day.
            Well, s / n they do not have 15000 rubles.


            Quote: gladcu2
            But at least teachers have 3 months of paid summer leave.

            Where are 3 months from? - a total of 54 calendar days. Yes, and they are trying to break
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 19 November 2015 17: 58 New
      34
      Well, if the Minister of Education himself speaks as if by a hair dryer, Fursenko’s business lives and wins.
    5. Scoun
      Scoun 19 November 2015 18: 02 New
      +9
      Quote: Baikonur
      And seichas - the elimination of literacy (LIKGRAM)
      Degradation. Sabotage.

      Recently, on a branch with calibers, people discussed ..
      SSR (1) SU November 11, 2015 09:02
      The site is more about a military topic, but who has familiar teachers or who is the teacher himself, please share information on how you are doing this year. And by the way! The child is in grade 7 there is no lesson in chemistry! ..... Why?

      Not from scratch, such articles appear.

      BMW (1) RU November 11, 2015 11:39 ↑
      Quote: SSR
      The site is more about a military topic, but who has familiar teachers or who is the teacher himself, please share information on how you are doing this year.
      Over the weekend, I talked with doubly primary school teachers (met). Salaries were cut by 25-30%. Stimulating 10,9% was completely removed. Among the teacher's environment, dissatisfaction began to talk about dismissal. hi Kamchatka.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 19 November 2015 19: 18 New
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        Quote: Scoun
        More military-related site


        As previously said - the people and the steam ... hmm ... the army - are one ...
        The armed forces are fully aware of all the ills of civil society ...
        Now the youngsters serve 1 year ... I remember my urgent ... Six months - ShMAS ... So I graduated for a decade - I didn’t reach the silver medal a bit ... And then there were some problems in training - the aircraft still not halam-balam ... Well, after training for six months - this, consider, only growing into the situation ... And only then they allow something, learn something, get practical skills ...

        Сейчас, с такой вот техникой, состоящей на вооружении, прийдет молодой солдат на год службы, имея "базовое" образование, да и то которое он получил больше по коридорам... И что с ним делать ???

        PS I'm not talking about drug addicts and drunkards ...
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 19 November 2015 20: 15 New
          15
          Quote: veksha50
          As previously said - the people and the steam ... hmm ... the army - are one ...
          Образование (наука), здравоохранение и армия, это три кита, на которых держится нация и само государство. Народ и Армия едины, в этом плане, едино с армией и образование. Сейчас ещё остались старики-пенсионеры в оборонке, мастера, инженеры, конструкторы. Наши капиталисты делают деньги на экспорте оружия, оружия, ещё от советской конструкторской школы. Уже приходиться говорить о возвращении к производству МиГ-31, Ту-160, безусловно, замечательных машин, с большим потенциалом, но это и говорит о том, что торговать вооружением, и создавать новое, далеко не одно и то же. Торгаши-менеджеры, коих наплодили по программам Сороса, не в состоянии генерировать новые идеи производства, и, тем более, не обладают талантами конструирования. Легко продаём то, что стоило годов титанической работы. Вся "гениальность" прибыли, экономия от различных сокращений всё и вся, и распродажа по дешёвке техники (а то и технологий), от задела прочности советской науки. Я бы подытожил свой комментарий так, - образование и армия едины, без хорошего образования, не будет ни хорошей армии, ни хорошего оружия для неё.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 19 November 2015 20: 28 New
            +7
            Quote: Per se.
            education and the army are one, without a good education, there will be neither a good army, nor a good weapon for it.



            I completely agree with you ... Only no one asks our opinion, unfortunately ...
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 20: 54 New
              -8
              Quote: veksha50
              Only no one asks our opinion, unfortunately ...

              The actions of the air forces in Syria show the excellent condition and formation of our aircraft.
              Not tired of wailing you for no reason?
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 19 November 2015 21: 52 New
                +7
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Not tired of wailing you for no reason?


                Hmm ... And where did I wail ???

                And the conversation is about school and further education today and - naturally - in the future ...

                "Прекрасное состояние и образование наших ВС"...

                Will anyone learn in 10-15 years the same PAX, PAX, Almaty ...

                No, most likely - will anyone else create such weapons ???

                You live with mine to see something and compare with something ...

                And then, let's really discuss: there, to Syria, the best of the best went - as equipment, as pilots, as technical staff and much more ... Are there many of them ???

                When the thunder strikes, these guys with combat experience will be few ... For all the VKS ...

                And again I will return to the videoconferencing and Syria: the Syrians, who so respect the Russians now, are trying to study Russian language ... And with us it is already now a kind of slang-Americanism ...

                Do not forget - the topic of discussion is school education, the Russian language and literature, as well as their future ...

                The English language has conquered the whole world as a means of communication between peoples ... It is a pity that in its place is the Russian language ...

                At one time it was said that Britain is the mistress of the seas ... We poorly know our history ... The Russian people never knew how to use their achievements and successes, like the impudent Anglo-Saxons ...

                PS And all the same, in the ports of different countries they swear in our, native, Russian ... No other language can convey those emotions that sometimes arise in a person ...
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 34 New
                  +3
                  Veksha 50

                  Many, many, many. This is the army. The army makes the commander. If the commander is smart, the army is smart. Linear relationship. Tested on my own life experience.
              2. Samarin
                Samarin 19 November 2015 22: 59 New
                +2
                Quote: VseDoFeNi

                indicative nickname
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 45 New
                  0
                  Quote: Samarin
                  indicative nickname

                  Yes, I myself am in SHOCK !!! laughing
              3. asiat_61
                asiat_61 20 November 2015 00: 35 New
                +1
                And for a long time enough of this reserve? That's it.
            2. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 19 November 2015 21: 31 New
              +2
              I would have corrected- the site is certainly paramilitary - but education is medicine production- here are 3 China - the army is security, and security is just security - and your comment about how there are no weapons without science is interesting, of course, but I'm not sure that without factories and industry institutes will fill you with weapons, and I see how associate professors are cutting you different complexes :)
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 36 New
                +1
                Leshy74

                The foundation of the state is the educational system.

                Then the army and the Navy. And medicine is already trifles. The social structure of medicine includes various forms.
          2. TanyaKar
            TanyaKar 20 November 2015 07: 52 New
            +1
            I repeat for you, since you wrote very well and correctly about everything.
            Once the educated Russian people will unite with a well-educated army ...
            The degree of Russian protest against dominance and ministry twists from power is growing ...
            And the thunder will strike, the entire multinational Russian people will each cross in their own way.
            For some reason, I have no doubt about it.
            Regards TanyaKar.
            1. Oleko
              Oleko 20 November 2015 09: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: TanyaKar

              TanyaKar


              Today, 07: 52

              ↑ ↓


              I repeat for you, since you wrote very well and correctly about everything. Once the educated Russian people unite with a well-educated army ... The degree of protest of Russians against dominance and ministry twists from power is growing ... But thunder will strike, the whole multinational Russian people each in his own way and cross himself

              Чушь собачья. Никто объединяться не будет. Для чего? Кремль брать? "Градус протеста ...растёт...". Глупости. Все недовольны повышением цен и многим другим, но это не повод для сжигания покрышек на Красной площади. Вы фантазёрка, оторванная от действительности.
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        2. Alexl
          Alexl 19 November 2015 23: 16 New
          -1
          For complex equipment there are contract soldiers.
        3. TanyaKar
          TanyaKar 20 November 2015 07: 44 New
          0
          I am not Casandra, but you wrote very correctly:
          One day, the people and the army will have to become one in order to save the future of the country and descendants.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 19 November 2015 18: 05 New
      +9
      A lot of sovereignty in parts without a single and comprehensive. Education is more important than the economy, because it creates it in the end. Without a state ideology, the Unified State Examination is just an alien tool. The constitution must be changed! hi
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 19 November 2015 19: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: siberalt
        The constitution must be changed!



        We have been talking about this for a long time, and we have been bashfully silent for a long time ...

        Everyone is afraid that for such an appeal they will suddenly pat on the shoulder from behind and say - let's go, take a walk, talk ...

        It seems to me that decent FSB officers themselves should think about this for a long time, since they should be statesmen in spirit ...
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 20: 14 New
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        The constitution must be changed!

        Welcome.
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Our task is to nationalize the banking system, starting with the Central Bank, subsoil and other natural resources, strategic industries, including energy and transport. Return the state’s monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return the state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco with a gradual reduction in their turnover to zero.
        Welcome http://referendumrusnod.ru/
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 49 New
          -2
          Vsedofeni

          Russia can nationalize the banking system only to a certain limit.

          The problem is related to integration into the global financial system. You can not cut off Russia from another world. Otherwise, the confrontation will begin.

          Wait a bit, GDP is working on the evolution of the international financial system. In 2-3 years, banks will give loans at 1%, but loans will be in line. This will stabilize the market and cut off speculative gains.

          In other words, the cyclical nature of the crises of capitalism will disappear. There will be the possibility of long-term planning. Wars will turn into small local conflicts.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 55 New
            0
            Who are you so powdery brains?

            Quote: gladcu2
            Russia can nationalize the banking system only to a certain limit.

            That is, through the bank? “And every second is also a hero” V. Vysotsky.

            Quote: gladcu2
            The problem is related to integration into the global financial system

            There are no problems with integration, there are problems with disintegration. wink

            Quote: gladcu2
            You can not cut off Russia from another world.

            What kind of world are you talking about now? About planet Earth? smile

            Quote: gladcu2
            Otherwise, the confrontation will begin.

            Did it stop? wink


            Quote: gladcu2
            Wait a bit, GDP is working on the evolution of the international financial system. In 2-3 years, banks will give loans at 1%, but loans will be in line. This will stabilize the market and cut off speculative gains.

            You did not graduate from an economic university? laughing


            Quote: gladcu2
            In other words, the cyclical nature of the crises of capitalism will disappear. There will be the possibility of long-term planning. Wars will turn into small local conflicts.

            Tell the Rothschilds, Morgan, Rockefellers and others like them. fool
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 19 November 2015 23: 40 New
        +1
        Sibiralt

        Education is a state.

        The constitution is the primary source of laws. In fact, this is the moral status of the state. State morality is laid down by the education system.

        Everything is interconnected.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 06: 34 New
          0
          Quote: gladcu2
          The constitution is the primary source of laws.

          Che, don’t you think? smile

          Quote: gladcu2
          In fact, this is the moral status of the state

          Morality - accepted in society ideas about good and bad, right and wrong, good and evil, as well as a set of norms of behavior arising from these ideas.
          Something I did not meet in the Constitution.
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    8. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 19 November 2015 18: 19 New
      21
      Quote: Baikonur
      Each year, the exam drives another, even bigger nail into the coffin of the education system! Because more and more are uneducated, who then begin to form even less the next generation!

      Уже устал рассказывать, как студенты 4-го курса, будущие журналисты, "Муму" не читали и думают,что это рассказ про корову. Как не знают, кто написал "Бородино" и что это такое....

      Пытаюсь с внуком исправлять дома то, что накосорезили в школе - как говорил генерал Бессонов: "Всё, что могу..." Грустно...
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 18: 30 New
        -17
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Пытаюсь с внуком исправлять дома то, что накосорезили в школе - как говорил генерал Бессонов: "Всё, что могу..." Грустно..

        Can you educate your grandson yourself? Then pick him up from school.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 19 November 2015 19: 23 New
          10
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Can you educate your grandson yourself? Then pick him up from school.



          No need to fake a person like that ...

          if he were from the oligarchs, or at least the middle class, capable of financially providing individual education to his children or grandchildren, he would not be here, in VO ...

          Well, do not forget the factor that without a piece of paper a person is a poop ... I went through a school course - get a certificate ... what it will be, and whether the holder of this piece of paper will benefit - this is another question ...
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 19: 33 New
            -5
            Quote: veksha50
            No need to fake a person like that ...

            I'm quite serious.

            In addition, I have said more than once that a person is the only species on the planet who teaches children not life, but all crap. Moreover, he throws children at other people's uncle and aunt who go to work for money, and not for the sake of children thrown at them.

            Quote: veksha50
            Well, do not forget the factor that without a piece of paper a person is a turd ...
            This is an illusion imposed by the system.
            For example, no one will forbid you to have a hundred hives and beekeeping without an education. To breed sheep, goats ...

            Just nobody wants to think. Accustomed to ape.
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        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 November 2015 19: 24 New
          15
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Can you educate your grandson yourself? Then pick him up from school.
          Actually, I can not only teach, I could pass the certificate on secondary education myself ... laughing laughing But where will they take him with this certificate?

          А в школе его, например, будут пичкать писульками провокатора СоЛЖЕницына и никто не заставит выучить "Стихи о советском паспорте" или "Левый марш" - потрясающие по энергетике стихи!!! И "Бородино" я его заставил выучить - так учительница его через силу слушала. А когда он выучил "Балладу о двадцати шести" (Есенин, между прочим - это когда они про "зеленя, пастбища и нивы" проходили)- учительница сказала, что пусть идёт домой и маме рассказывает такие стихи. Демократичненькая-либерастичненькая вся из себя... А по мне - самое жёсткое, самое лаконично-чеканное стихотворение Есенина - огромный контраст с "зеленями и нивами"...

          So I’m able to hammer something worthwhile into my grandson. I think so...
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 19: 37 New
            -5
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Actually, I’m not only teaching, I could have taken a secondary school certificate myself ... laughing laughing But where will they take it with this certificate?

            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            I'm quite serious.

            In addition, I have said more than once that a person is the only species on the planet who teaches children not life, but all crap. Moreover, he throws children at other people's uncle and aunt who go to work for money, and not for the sake of children thrown at them.
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        3. Per se.
          Per se. 19 November 2015 20: 34 New
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Can you educate your grandson yourself? Then pick him up from school.
          Так же и из больницы... Зачем тогда государство? Может, кому и "всё до фени", но лично мне нет.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 21: 03 New
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            Quote: Per se.
            Why then the state?

            Вряд ли вы помните песню о том, что "есть традиция добрая в комсомольской семье - прежде думай о Родине, а потом о себе". Понимаете, куда я клоню?

            Once again, if you DO NOT WANT to do anything, wait and don’t whine. If you want, solve education issues with your parents, write ultimatums, fight for your children. Otherwise, why are you then?

            Quote: Per se.
            Also from the hospital.

            I dare to assure you that medicine has not returned health to anyone, and disabled people, chronically ill, are reproducing with enviable constancy in any country in the world.
            1. vsoltan
              vsoltan 19 November 2015 21: 52 New
              +4
              Vsedofeni

              I dare to assure you that medicine has not returned health to anyone, and disabled people, chronically ill, are reproducing with enviable constancy in any country in the world.

              Читаю Вас и тихо… х… удивляюсь… Вы и в медицине специалист великий? Если так, тогда - ура - вместе давайте "оптимизировать" все то, что у нас не оптимизировано… может, есть смысл вообще, пересмотреть Конституцию согласно Вашей логике?
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 08: 07 New
                -2
                Quote: vsoltan
                Are you a great specialist in medicine?

                Do not envy, jealousy is a sin. laughing

                Quote: vsoltan
                Если так, тогда - ура - вместе давайте "оптимизировать" все то, что у нас не оптимизировано

                Well you do not want this. You would laugh, poahat and wail.

                Quote: vsoltan
                according to your logic?

                You will understand your logic.

                Feel the difference.
                - Human health depends on the quality of medical care by no more than 10%. 20% from heredity, and another 20% from the state of the environment. But 50% of the health is determined by the lifestyle that a person adheres to., - Ivan Ryasik, the head of the medical prevention department of the medical information and analytical center, told reporters about this, justifying the decision of the Government of the Russian Federation on the revival of the direction of prevention.


                And do these people understand something about health?
                The average life expectancy of doctors, according to WHO, is 54 years.

                Ah, sorry, they have stress and all that. Is there a stress for a bus driver with a hundred passengers behind him? And does a passenger airplane pilot with several hundred passengers behind him at a ten-kilometer height also have no stress? Speaking of stress as a cause of death, do doctors consider others as lumps without brains and nerves?
                1. vsoltan
                  vsoltan 20 November 2015 15: 58 New
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                  vsedofeni

                  I work in practical medicine and am inclined to believe that in this matter I have everything in order with logic ... and the so-called the revival of preventive medicine, which was real, albeit inferior, but existed in the Union - just another cut of dough ... have you ever seen how the professional examinations are carried out now? Have you seen the so-called the disposal of medicines that were bought at high prices, with kickbacks and bribes and which no one needs? Have you seen this? And mortality statistics, where is the thread in 70-, x gg g-x. And lifespan, browsed? So I’m inclined to think ... I’m a complete jerk, and you are undoubtedly a SPECIALIST hi and understand everything ...
                  1. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 19: 37 New
                    0
                    Quote: vsoltan
                    I work in practical medicine and am inclined to believe that in this matter I have everything in order with logic

                    What is a disease?

                    Quote: vsoltan
                    the revival of preventive medicine, which is real, albeit inferior, but existed in the Union

                    This is when BCG is injected into people without exception, and they, who are ungrateful, get sick with tuberculosis?

                    Quote: vsoltan
                    How are professional examinations carried out now?

                    Is a physical examination a routine inspection?


                    Quote: vsoltan
                    And mortality statistics are where the thread in the 70s, x, yy. And lifespan, browsed?

                    So what determines mortality and duration if health depends on medicine by 10%?

                    Quote: vsoltan
                    You are undoubtedly a SPECIALIST

                    No, I'm just learning.
                    1. vsoltan
                      vsoltan 20 November 2015 23: 36 New
                      0
                      vsedofeni

                      Well, in any case, you’re a great speaker, you won’t take it away ... good night ..
                      1. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 21 November 2015 07: 16 New
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                        Quote: vsoltan
                        good night..

                        Good morning. smile

                        Let's continue the conversation YOU started. wink

                        I ask you to answer my questions. yes
                        You can in PM.
    9. Egor Sergeevich
      Egor Sergeevich 19 November 2015 18: 21 New
      +7
      In schools there are methodologists, heads of the educational unit, etc. They are responsible for professional suitability and send to courses and the like. And these checks are stupidly want to wash money !!! Otkatik before the New Year, and then before the holidays !!! The scheme is to see working! What story did they check ??? History is a contradictory science !!! And what is social science - I hardly understand at all, and you, I think the same! Yes, and the majority are checking!
    10. sever.56
      sever.56 19 November 2015 18: 24 New
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      Quote: Baikonur
      Every year, the exam drives another, even larger nail into the coffin of the education system! Because more and more are uneducated, who then begin to form even less the next generation!


      Eugene, let’s no offense: - Well, for SIX MINUTES you can’t read a lengthy and serious article, which, in essence, deals with the future of our state, its very existence, comprehend, draw conclusions and write your comment.
      But in essence of the article, I want to say the following: - there is a systematic destruction of our still Soviet school of education, in which the student received comprehensive knowledge, starting with arithmetic and singing, and ending with trigonometry and history. Western experts recognized our education system as the best in the world.
      Нынешним "власть-имущим" в правительстве и Госдуме мыслящие, самостоятельные люди не нужны. Они берут пример с штатов, где даются подавляющей массе учеников только знания, позволяющие ему более-менее уметь читать, писать и считать, да и то, только на калькуляторе. О истории, химии, физике, математике, - речь не идет. Это только для горстки избранных Удел остальных - жрать чипсы, пить пепси, и радоваться жизни. По-сути, они растят обычный рабочий скот, который должен пахать и не поднимать рыла от кормушки.Вот такую систему нам и навязывают, я смело могу сказать, самые страшные враги России, занимающие самые высокие посты в государстве. А проводник этого интеллектогеноцида - Ливанов. Если мы не уберем из правительства таких, как он и десяток ему подобных(имена которых все знают), - успех нас не ожидает, потому, что старые кадры потихоньку уходят, а новые воспитываются по ливановской системе. Прошу не обижаться за мои, может быть, резкие слова в начале.
      1. TanyaKar
        TanyaKar 20 November 2015 05: 15 New
        -2
        TanyaKar.
        I fully support you sever (56). Your normal words at the beginning are not harsh at all.
        You have written correctly, calling the events in Russia intellectogenocide. The majority in our country who have not yet fully forgotten how to think and analyze will agree with you.
        Think about how to live our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, gentlemen of the Armed Forces of Russia!
        Однажды придется решать... " Кто если не мы".... Служить надо стране, Родине, а не кучке откровенных предателей, разворовывающих страну и уничтожающих будущее наших детей ....
    11. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 18: 29 New
      -3
      Quote: Baikonur
      Each year, the exam drives another, even bigger nail into the coffin of the education system!

      In the same way they pass traffic rules and it suits everyone. wassat

      Quote: Baikonur
      Because more and more are uneducated, who then begin to form even less the next generation!

      So maybe it is in the parents who do not care about their children ??? bully

      I’m wondering if they’ll stroke the heads of minobras if at least one class in one school doesn’t allow their children to study or for the USE? request
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 19 November 2015 19: 45 New
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        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        So maybe it is in the parents who do not care about their children ???


        Hmm ... Here I am - grandfather ...
        And when I was a dad, I didn’t have time, absolutely, for my children ... I used to, from dark to dark - in the service ... And so, I think, in 90% of families, both former Soviet and now Russian. ..

        Dads and mothers should work so that their children do not need anything, and, in particular, can receive an education ...

        In general, I overslept my children (I need a better word because I did not sleep, but worked) ...

        Now, having two higher educations, I can hardly cope with the education of my younger second-granddaughter ... The first stumbling block is the stupid school curriculum ... You at least pick up textbooks - on any subject - from 1 to 10 classes ...

        У меня мнение - это "блокбастеры", скопированные с амерских учебников...

        Мы здесь - и статья в основном - говорим о русском языке и литературе... Посмотрите современный учебник и найдите, если сможете, а еще лучше - вспомните - такие учебники как "Родная речь", которые существовали в советское время...

        And now ... with housing - problems ... with work - problems, and therefore, with the means for family living ...

        So not all parents whose hands do not reach classes with their children are alcoholics and parasites ...

        Пусть бы правительство позаботилось о занятости и платежеспособности родителей, а также о программах на ТВ, приучающих детей, в то время когда родители на кусок хлеба зарабатывать, к мысли о том, что их родители - лохи... Во, как по "современному русскому языку" я охарактеризовал порядочных людей... Тьфу !!!
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 19: 58 New
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          Quote: veksha50
          And when I was dad, I didn’t have time, absolutely, for my children ...

          Similarly.
          Therefore, I say that WE grew up abandoned, our children grew up abandoned, and grandchildren will also grow upright abandoned. If parents NEVER CHILDREN to deal with, who needs these children ???

          Quote: veksha50
          Dads and mothers should work so that their children do not need anything, and, in particular, can receive an education ...

          This nonsense was imposed on everyone. I dare to assure you that YOUR values ​​to your children are a shit. But the only thing that a person can’t buy for any money is brothers and sisters. This is the main thing that parents can and should provide for their children.

          Quote: veksha50
          And now ... with housing - problems ... with work - problems, and therefore, with the means for family living ...

          Yes, there are no problems with housing, go to the village and live, building a house is not expensive. Grandchildren milk, provide yourself with products at a time.

          Quote: veksha50
          Let the government take care of parents' employment and solvency, as well as TV programs,

          Is it better to drive all 146 million to Moscow? fool
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 19 November 2015 20: 37 New
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            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Yes, there are no problems with housing, go to the village and live, building a house is not expensive. Grandchildren milk, provide yourself with products at a time.



            The address was wrong at the address ... I’m already 7 years old when I haven’t left the apartment, but you have to build a house, milk, etc ...

            It was rebuilt ...

            And what does it have to do - to drive all 146 milEons to Moscow ???

            PS I had at one time (I didn’t even expect it myself) to serve 4 years in Moscow, without any kind of bliss .. Double madness ... Firstly, I didn’t expect that the rootless and incoherent could get there, but, secondly, not I liked it, if you want - be surprised, if you want - no ...

            And now, in the little town in which I live, there are enough Muscovites who escaped from this rotten city ... Not the drunks who were exiled, far from it ... It's just that people at a not very young age decided to live outside the metropolis, to say the least ...
        2. sky diver
          sky diver 19 November 2015 20: 23 New
          +9
          There was a time for my daughter trying to explain the rule of the gimlet in physics. Daughter came with a new textbook, dad help I can not understand. I am three times
          I re-read, I realized that I didn’t understand anything, spat and went to the shed for an old Soviet textbook on physics. For the last two years, my daughter studied in this textbook herself at school. Here it is a new education ...
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 19 November 2015 21: 58 New
            +4
            Цитата: sky diver
            I realized that I didn’t understand anything, he spat and went to the shed for an old Soviet textbook on physics.



            I’ve pumped up copies of Soviet textbooks from torrents for my granddaughter, I tried to learn them from them, so the teachers in the voice - it's not like that !!!
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 20 November 2015 06: 53 New
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          Quote: veksha50
          Now, having two higher educations, I can hardly cope with the education of my younger granddaughter, second-graders ...

          It makes me think ... smile
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 20 November 2015 10: 05 New
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            Quote: Bayonet
            It makes me think ...



            Everyone thinks to the extent of his depravity ... If you want to say about my stupidity - speak directly ...

            And I'm talking about the fact that when I open my granddaughter's textbooks, then anger at the creators of textbooks begins to prevail over the mind ...

            And in general, Bayonet, it’s time to drink a choleretic ...
    12. sherp2015
      sherp2015 19 November 2015 18: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: Baikonur
      Each year, the exam drives another, even bigger nail into the coffin of the education system!



      The villains occupied the formation of Russia ...
      Is it just education?
    13. Will
      Will 19 November 2015 19: 21 New
      +7
      Если большивики изначально шли с идеей человечности, которое с равенством и братством, то эту идею "разгромил" личностный эгоизм и причем явно через уровень образованности. Чуток научился читать и писать и тут же возомнил себя "академиком", которому "чистый" "кабинет" для "белых" ручек и как тут без тех, у кого руки в мозолях и мазуте? Что-то находим, что-то теряем? Советское образование старалось "внедрить" - все работы хорошо, выбирай на вкус, с одной стороны, а с другой - на словах рабочим быть хорошо, а на деле - как на шее раочего паразитировали "верхи", так это и продолжилось, ибо животный паразитизм в школах не вытравишь с повышением знаний математики, физики, химии. Образование давало (и дает) возможность больше иметь преимуществ при меньших физических нагрузках. Частично эти самые фмзические нагрузки снимаются в современном мире автоматикой, но не весь и не всегда можно заменить тяжелый физический труд на более легкий и тут, либо "плати", либо вешай лапшу на уши, что этот труд просто обязан быть низкооплачиваемым, ибо желающих на него достаточно много. А чтобы это стало реальностью, треуется резко снизить образованность - нет знаний, нечего в "калашный" ряд. Все эти начинания всего лишь производные от убежденности одних в своем величие над другими. А вот с подобными "чувствами" в школах может "бороться" одна лишь литература, которая словом способна вызвать те или иные ощущения в душах подрастающего поколения. Именно школа и учитель может привить индивиду как личное мнение о своем величие, так и подорвать уверенность в своих силах, делая упор на том, что кому-то достаточно легко дается, а кому-то не все так уж и просто с образованием, например, но достаточно просто с чем-то иным. При этом главное, чтобы это иное было на пользу обществу, а не во вред ему. Тем, кто живет в пользу общему - почет, уважение и блага, в пределах заслуг одного человека, а не всех, кто может "подлизаться", обеспечивая свое хорошо, всего лишь деяниями на уровне языка. Но об этом тоже хорошо в классической литературе, а в современной все больше разбор возможностей тела ниже пояса для масс и "экономического чуда" для "избранных".
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 20 November 2015 17: 15 New
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        Will

        You wrote great. I’ll add from myself.

        People have a conflict of ideologies. On the one hand, victorious capitalism, on the other hand, loser socialism.

        As a person with good knowledge and a person with great life experience, I want to put dots over i.

        Socialism is the next form of state structure after the ugly transitional form of capitalism.

        In the USSR, socialism came through revolutionary changes. It could not have been otherwise; the country and the people would have perished.
        As a result, socialism in a single country caused serious international controversy, and plus another cycle of capitalism crisis led to the Second World War.

        I.V. Stalin, the wisest man of the era, increased the level of responsibility of officials through the administrative component and raised the country to a degree of confrontation. Along with this, he attached paramount importance to the education system. Saved Russia again.

        After several generations, there was a rollback to capitalism.

        What am I doing. Socialism in the USSR appeared ahead of time. Socialism will come evolutionarily.

        I will give one more example and you will understand the situation.

        Presidential cadet schools lay in the cadets the moral of a civil servant. This is the future of the country. With the growth of the state component, the state will come to a socialist system in an evolutionary way. In the meantime, the president does not have the necessary people, he takes advantage of what the era gave him.

        He refuses to start revolutionary changes. There are no prerequisites for this. There is no external threat to the country.
        Any external enemy will receive a specific head. This has already been demonstrated on Donald Cook and in Syria.
    14. Tor5
      Tor5 19 November 2015 19: 23 New
      +7
      I believe that the Unified State Examination is the actions of the fifth column, well paid by the overseas regional committee, for the complete destruction of a nation as a nation.
    15. I read the news
      I read the news 19 November 2015 19: 33 New
      -3
      Quote: Baikonur
      (Commission on improving the lives of children) led by Felix Dzerzhinsky

      Felix DzerzhinskyCarl!
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 19 November 2015 19: 55 New
        -4
        В школе нужно ввести такую же систему как и в институте, лекции и семинары на протяжении семестра, а потом сессия, тогда будет толк(у меня реально какое то азартное чувство было, в погоне за "автоматом", в процессе учёбы хотелось раньше других выполнить курсовой проект, выходить к доске на семинарах и присутствовать на занятиях, чтобы облегчить себе участь во время сессии). А так достаточно пару раз выйти к доске заработать оценки и всё ты аттестован в четверти по предмету, дальше можно дурака валять...
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 19 November 2015 19: 59 New
          +5
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          then it will be good.

          There will be no sense. People do not receive knowledge, but crusts. Continuous profanity.
          Parents pretend that they provide children, children pretend to learn, teachers pretend to learn. All in business.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 19 November 2015 20: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            There will be no sense. People do not receive knowledge, but crusts. Continuous profanity.
            Parents pretend that they provide children, children pretend to learn, teachers pretend to learn. All in business.

            The child does not see a direct pattern between good school and success in life, it all starts from school, then continues at the institute. Why try to study well and learn a profession at the institute if you can’t see the difference? That you are a graduate, that you are equal to an employer, everyone does not look at a diploma. Higher education has depreciated in Russia, if in the USA a university graduate can easily find work for $ 50000 a year ($ 4166 a month), then in Russia there is a maximum of 15000-20000 rubles.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 19 November 2015 22: 18 New
              +3
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              if in the USA a university graduate can easily find a job for $ 50000 a year



              You know, I would ask the facts to the studio ... In our Russian reality, a lot is being done by Amer’s standards, including the condition - working in this or that position for at least 2-3 years ...

              And it is no secret that even the sons and daughters of billionaires in the same Amer companies begin with grassroots positions ...

              And here in Russia, the sons of some people easily in 22-23 years become CEOs of some large (!!!) commercial banks ... With big salaries, more named by you ...

              You know, here in the comparisons you have to be somehow more careful ...
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 20 November 2015 00: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: veksha50
                And it is no secret that even the sons and daughters of billionaires in the same Amer companies begin with grassroots positions ...

                Never there are sons from lower positions nor begin. Everywhere from leadership positions, albeit with middle managers, but managers.
                As for the amount of $ 50000 a year, where did you get what I meant the boss or director ?, they have good programmers, lawyers, doctors who get so much.
                When I was at university, classmates traveled to the United States under the Work and Travel program, so they worked as ice cream sellers and peddlers in McDonald's for 3 months to earn $ 5000. On average, in Russia, a specialist with a higher education receives 15000-20000 rubles a month, and there the laborer counts many times more. It is clear that our businessmen are insolent in the end, they are squeezing profits, and they pay pennies to workers, and in turn, they drive about 200 cargoes in the regions.
                And there is no need for fairy tales about the strong US economy; they don’t have a burger there at McDonald’s or an ice cream worth $ 50 to justify such salaries; they cost about the same as ours.
                The same thing with cars, they have a 2% discount on cars, we have tens of%.
                That such a machine in the United States costs 23660 dollars in Russia, it would cost 40000 dollars.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 21 November 2015 07: 07 New
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                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  They have good programmers, lawyers, and doctors who get so much.

                  And a lot there / here GOOD ??? They can be counted everywhere on the fingers in any profession.

                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  On average, in Russia, a specialist with a higher education receives 15000-20000 rubles a month, and there the laborer counts many times more.

                  The Bigmack index shows that in 2014, our bigmak cost 89 rubles, in the USA 302 rubles. Remember, no one ever gives and does nothing just like that. Especially the Anglo-Saxons.

                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  It is clear that our businessmen are insolent in the end, they are squeezing profits, and they pay pennies to workers, and in turn, they drive about 200 cargoes in the regions.

                  This is not arrogance, but schizophrenia. Capitalists around the world are torn by a contradiction bordering on schizophrenia - the desire to rip off workers and sell. As many goods as possible, these are mutually exclusive things.
                  1. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock 21 November 2015 23: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    the desire to rip off workers and sell. as many products as possible is mutually exclusive.

                    Well, profit can be increased in two legal ways, it can reduce costs (costs of sn in the first place), or increase the profit of the company by increasing production capacity, shift coefficient, etc. etc. The first way with the costs is the easiest for the entrepreneur.
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    The Bigmack index shows that in 2014, our bigmak cost 89 rubles, in the USA 302 rubles. Remember, no one ever gives and does nothing just like that. Especially the Anglo-Saxons.

                    Classmates went to the USA to work even when the dollar was worth 30 rubles (2009-2012),
                    2011 Bigmack Index:
                    Russia 78 rubles (2,7 dollars), and in the US - 4,07 dollars (120 rubles at a rate of 30 rubles per dollar at that time).
                    How many burgers do you need to sell in the United States to pay $ 1660 per month to an ordinary McDonald's employee?
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    And a lot there / here GOOD ??? They can be counted everywhere on the fingers in any profession.

                    I talked about the average salary for highly qualified specialists.
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 10: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              The child does not see a direct pattern between good school and success in life

              Так он и не видит абстрактной "работы" родителей.
              Here in the village, he sees everything perfectly and studies everything perfectly. At parents. Life, not any crap like commerce or jurisdiction.

              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              if in the USA a university graduate can easily find a job for $ 50000 a year

              Слово "ЩАЗЗЗ" знаете ,как правильно писать? laughing
          2. veksha50
            veksha50 19 November 2015 22: 01 New
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            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Parents pretend that they provide children, children pretend to learn, teachers pretend to learn. All in business.



            That's how I am opposed to your views, but they forced me to give you a plus ...

            Однако испорчу "обедню": плюс ставлю, но с великим сожалением о том, что Вы в данном случае правы...

            PS Cynicism is rushing ... Although it’s softer, not everything is so bad ... I still know normal children, parents, and teachers ... I don’t want to scratch them under one comb ...

            Ugh ... But after all - the truth ...
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 21 November 2015 07: 12 New
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              Quote: veksha50
              Though be softer not everything is so badо

              That’s exactly what I’m trying to convey when they start to shit Russia. And softness is not an assistant here. It would not hurt to leave some rods and put them on peas.
    16. starshina78
      starshina78 19 November 2015 20: 34 New
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      Я напишу сейчас кощунственные вещи для многих ( для которых наше Правительство - это светоч ) . Складывается такое впечатление , что наше Правительство полностью состоит из " засланных казачков " . Иначе , как понимать их действия . В стране кризис ! Ужасный кризис ! Извините , проживающие в Москве , вас он не касается . Вы , как купались в масле , так и купаетесь , а вот вся замкадовская Россия начинает по - тихоньку стонать от решений Правительства . Пенсионеров , те которые еще работают (и меня в том числе ) лишили индексации пенсий - это влечет наше нищенство , когда мы лет через 5-7 бросим работу ( пенсия обесценится , ее съест инфляция ) . Все слова на то , что бросайте работать ответ один . А вы проживите на 12500 - из них 7000 - это квартира , а остальные 5000 - это еда на месяц , лекарства , и прочее . Субсидии ? А вы когда - нибудь пробовали оформить субсидии ? " Платон " - еще одна напасть ! В самый подходящий момент Правительство решило брать деньги с дальнобойщиков , Очень подходящий ! То что подоражают товары , перевозимые автотранспортом - кого это касается ! И , наверное , самое кощунственное . Стою на остановке автобуса . Мимо проезжает колонна МЧС в Донецк . И столько " добрых " слов я услышал от людей , находящихся на остановке ( 7 часов утра , все едут на работу ) , что у меня , слышавшего кажется все что можно , уши завяли . Этими словами поминали всех от мэра города , в котором я проживаю , до Самого . Вкратце суть сводилась к одному - а кто нам поможет ! Зарплату задерживают практически везде у нас . Люди злые до безобразия . так что неизвестно еще к чему все это приведет .
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 19 November 2015 22: 14 New
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        Why blasphemous? Everyone knows that the enemies of the people are at the helm. What else to discuss then.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 18: 40 New
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          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          Everyone knows that the enemies of the people are at the helm. What else to discuss then.

          Do we have aliens from other planets or people from the people at the helm?
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 18: 39 New
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        Quote: starshina78
        наше Правительство полностью состоит из " засланных казачков "

        And Lavrov?

        Quote: starshina78
        There is a crisis in the country! Awful crisis!

        IN THE WORLD, there is a crisis in the world. And it will intensify. Demand in the world is falling, economies cannot grow on falling demand. Incidentally, we can do it on import substitution.

        Quote: starshina78
        Pensioners, those who still work (including me) were deprived of indexation of pensions - this entails our poverty

        Did you forget that in the USSR there were restrictions for working pensioners ???

        Quote: starshina78
        At the right time, the Government decided to take money from truckers

        Have you seen a track filled with wagons on asphalt, along which passenger cars rip off the bottom to metal ???

        Quote: starshina78
        These words commemorated everyone from the mayor of the city in which I live, to Himself

        You would better remember the corrupt brainless communists who dismembered the USSR in 1991.
    17. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 19 November 2015 22: 04 New
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      Незабываем о реформе русского языка Луначарского и Ленина. Именно для этого и раставлялись точки над "i". Впрочем пословица осталась, словно слепой рудимент, а буква почила в истории...
      Не однозначная была реформа... изменение языка это всегда "исправление" истории... корней...
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    19. Alexl
      Alexl 19 November 2015 23: 08 New
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      Illiteracy alone cannot be eliminated by decrees and bravura reports on their implementation. Literacy in the USSR was finally eliminated only by the 60s.
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    21. Archon
      Archon 20 November 2015 12: 07 New
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      Today I participated in the supervision of the chemistry Olympiad among students of the 10 class. This year, more than in the previous year, they passed blank sheets (almost half of 54 people). That is, it is not known why students who do not understand the chemistry of the school level are sent to the All-Russian Olympiad. Moreover, they are given 3 hours on 4 small tasks that can be solved in 30 minutes. Fantasy. It turns out that one of the most important subjects in school is given at a completely low level.
    22. Secta haki
      Secta haki 20 November 2015 15: 51 New
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      There was no illiteracy (at least among the Russians) - there was nothing to eliminate.

      Now, yes - it is being planted ... uneducated and stupid to manage, reducing their herd, easier.
  2. kimyth1
    kimyth1 19 November 2015 17: 50 New
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    I agree with the article !!! The domestic policy of our STATE is no good! raising the retirement age. education and medicine !!! full seams !!! fool
    1. AUL
      AUL 19 November 2015 18: 24 New
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      Moreover, education, medicine, and pensioners are ruined purposefully and frankly! Like, there is no money for such unnecessary little things. But introduce a progressive tax, as is done in all countries - and there would be enough money for everything (well, if, of course, you would not plunder).
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 19 November 2015 19: 55 New
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      Quote: kimyth1
      The domestic policy of our STATE is no good! raising the retirement age. education and medicine !!! full seams !!!



      Um ... Actually, we talked about the problems of school education in general and the Russian language and literature in particular ...

      And the fact that the domestic policy of our rulers leaves much to be desired is no secret ...

      This, in fact, is about the corruption of our government, about the fact that it destroys the Russian nation as an independent people, following the path of emasculating and simplifying the Russian language and literature ...

      And the increase in the retirement age that you started talking about ... Today I talked on the phone with my classmate, who in Moscow occupies a rather high public office ... He’s over 60 ... So he is worried about the increase being accepted .. .

      I told him: If you had been standing at the machine all your life, then you would be cursing now those who adopt such a law ...
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  3. Altona
    Altona 19 November 2015 17: 54 New
    +9
    To refresh interest in the Russian language and literature, it is necessary to popularize reading. And who of the children now wants to read and comprehend something? Not many people who. What will this give then to the majority? Also not much. You can read labels and advertising slogans without knowledge of literature, lay parquet boards too. This generally applies to all education. There is simply no incentive to study in children, because in everyday life they do not see the use of education.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 19 November 2015 18: 27 New
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      Quote: Altona
      There is simply no incentive to study in children, because in everyday life they do not see the use of education.

      Sorry for being rude, but you said complete nonsense. I remember how I studied. I did not think that I would become someone as a result. I was just interested to learn. In most cases, it depends on the talent of the primary education teacher. A good teacher always makes it so that most students in the class think learning is fun.
      Moving to high school, interest is already supported by the student himself and, of course, by subject teachers. I remember myself in the 10 class. A physics teacher called me to the blackboard to take a break from the ignorance of many students, the same thing happened in mathematics. And at the final exam of chemistry, the teacher said that she could not put me five, because I sat on her lessons with my back to her, facing the sitting girls behind. And I knew chemistry brilliantly, I was interested in the conversion of some substances to others, even the powder itself did. Only in the 10th class did I think about entering a higher educational institution.
      It is already too late to make up in the 10 or 11 class if there is no knowledge inherent before the graduation class.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 19 November 2015 19: 59 New
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        Quote: Алексей_К
        Sorry for being rude, but you said complete nonsense. I remember how I studied. I did not think that I would become someone as a result. I was just interested to learn. In most cases, it depends on the talent of the primary education teacher. A good teacher always makes it so that most students in the class think learning is fun.
        Moving to high school, interest is already supported by the student himself and, of course, by subject teachers. I remember myself in the 10 class. A physics teacher called me to the blackboard to take a break from the ignorance of many students, the same thing happened in mathematics. And at the final exam of chemistry, the teacher said that she could not put me five, because I sat on her lessons with my back to her, facing the sitting girls behind. And I knew chemistry brilliantly, I was interested in the conversion of some substances to others, even the powder itself did. Only in the 10th class did I think about entering a higher educational institution.
        It is already too late to make up in the 10 or 11 class if there is no knowledge inherent before the graduation class.

        Regarding me, it was interesting to study at the university, but not at school. For the most part, you are taught at the university specific skills and abilities that will come in handy for you at work, but there is no such understanding at school, hence the weak motivation to study. Plus, businessmen-teachers (I have an economics degree) taught many subjects about me at the institute and it was really interesting to study with them, because sometimes they will tell the situation from real life and explain how everything really is, and not in theory on textbooks.
      2. jaroff
        jaroff 19 November 2015 21: 07 New
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        I agree with you. When I was in school, I also looked into the textbooks of physics and chemistry of the elder, into four classes, my brother. Because, interesting. Nobody forced me. Parents worked like everyone else.
        And about reading fiction in general ... The city library was the second home. And in the army, more or less accustomed, immediately enrolled in the library.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 November 2015 07: 03 New
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        Quote: Алексей_К
        In most cases, it depends on the talent of the primary education teacher. A good teacher always makes it so that most students in the class think learning is fun.

        We can’t but agree! + I always thought that there are TEACHERS and there are teachers, unfortunately there are very few first ones. hi
  4. kebeskin
    kebeskin 19 November 2015 17: 54 New
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    He passed the exam about 8 years ago, back in 2007. Recently, he decided purely for himself the profile exam in mathematics and came to be horrified. Tasks for a large period are easier at times. I'm not talking about the lite version. Well, in universities, the first 3 years of the program, pull knowledge to the right level. In general, education does not get better. We are waiting for the cock to bite someone and not to comb out that the Soviet system should be returned.
  5. pensir
    pensir 19 November 2015 17: 57 New
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    Bastards! Where does the president only look? Or doesn’t he care? By the principle of cattle it’s easier to manage? And who will work in the defense industry, medicine, etc. etc.? When will this liberal government be dispersed? Down with the Unified State Examination! Down with Livanov!
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 19 November 2015 18: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: pensir
      And who will work in the defense industry, medicine, etc. etc.?

      In any profession, there should only be fanatics of their craft. It’s better to keep fools going for money only ...
    2. Samarin
      Samarin 19 November 2015 23: 08 New
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      Quote: pensir
      ... Where does the president look? Or does he care? ...

      да царь-то не знает, сказали же ему - 32тыщщы зарплата учителей, а кто думает иначе - "просто при##рки или провокаторы".
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 07: 07 New
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      Quote: pensir
      Down with the exam! Down with Livanov!

      Down with the exams! To each diploma! smile
  6. viktor561
    viktor561 19 November 2015 17: 58 New
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    А может сначала на верху что то поправить! Правительство во главе с Медведевым в отставку отправить - за "реформы" - унесшие в пустоту и разворованные триллионы рублей - Это Сколково, реформа образования (ЕГЭ), расформирование Академии наук, Переименование милиции в полицию, Перевод часов (хорошо часовые пояса не упразднили) и много много пустых затратных и бесполезных реформ - которые съедают бюджетные деньги и убивают страну.
    1. aba
      aba 19 November 2015 18: 08 New
      +4
      Government led by Medvedev resign

      I agree! Tired of this lover of iPhones and Leyek.
      1. 3officer
        3officer 19 November 2015 18: 27 New
        +2
        Let him teach the same kind of teacher and dad professor with him!
  7. aviator1913
    aviator1913 19 November 2015 17: 58 New
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    I already wrote this comment, I repeat again.
    So which of you passed the exam?
    In 2007, I successfully passed it in three subjects, while I did not go to expensive courses and did not sit with tutors in the evenings. He just sat at home, read additional literature, prepared.
    My school had a humanitarian bias, the basis of English and German. At the same time, physics often disappeared because it was on residual funding, it was cut in every way, it had some kind of activities, but it was my choice when I chose a school. At the same time, at the USE, I received 80 points in physics and almost the same in mathematics, and I just ran out of papers for completing level C tasks (now I think this problem has already been solved, and then the teachers were scared to give me extra sheets, it is suddenly forbidden). At the same time, I didn’t go to numerous exams at universities, but just submitted the necessary documents to those I wanted, that I entered the university I needed found out on a hike, having come to the base intermediate between stages.
    So those who scold the Unified State Exam (especially in technical subjects) simply never passed it, or they believe the words of lazy schoolchildren, or their children, who attribute their failures to the imperfection of the system.
    The system is complex, and you really need to study, and only those who need it should study at the institutes, and not all, if only not to join the army for show. Therefore, I advocate the complication of both school and university programs, the system should weed out as many illiterate specialists as possible and stupidly burn people in the institute.
    1. Evgeny Khokhlov
      Evgeny Khokhlov 19 November 2015 18: 17 New
      +2
      Sam passed the exam and the usual exam! The difference is that in a regular exam it all depends on which ticket you get and the teacher’s relationship. And when I passed the exam, I honestly passed it on those points that I really knew the subject (I was far from an excellent student)
      1. aviator1913
        aviator1913 19 November 2015 18: 29 New
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        I agree, and there is no such constant hassle in different universities when you hand over. You hand over three subjects at a time and all, and not every subject 4 times in different universities and so on .. Yes, and the most equal conditions for the exam, in contrast to the usual exams, it would be nice to put jammers for phones
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 19 November 2015 20: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: aviator1913
          You hand over three subjects at a time and that’s all, but not every subject 4 times in different universities and so on ..

          + USE is that for example having passed the exam, you can submit documents to several universities at once, and running to pass the entrance tests to 2-3 universities is unrealistic.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 07: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: aviator1913
      So those who scold the Unified State Exam (especially in technical subjects) simply never passed it, or they believe the words of lazy schoolchildren, or their children, who attribute their failures to the imperfection of the system.

      Их бесит, что они просто не смогут сдать ЕГЭ! Сейчас с тоской вспоминают старую систему сдачи экзаменов, когда шли заряженные "шпорами" по самые уши! wink
  8. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 November 2015 17: 58 New
    +6
    Here, two points may have a right to exist: 1 is a reduction in budget expenditures due to the difficult economic situation in the country, it is not clear when it is removable. 2 is such a way to lower the level of education of citizens for more problematic admission to universities. Because there has been talk for a long time that the country does not need such an army of specialists with higher education. And entrance examinations are most often Russian, mathematics, essay. There will be more boobies, fewer will be received. But this is only an assumption ..
  9. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 19 November 2015 18: 01 New
    +9
    what kind of knowledge what kind of study, look at public transport around. Youngsters 90 percent stare at the social network where he is engaged in narcissism, chat and like. A generation of sweet brainless oligophrenics.
    A question on the street was asked, what is the Holocaust? the answer killed .... this is the coast of France.
    question: -who is Tereshkova?
    answer: I don’t know
    the question is who is Buzova?
    answer: ahhh this is the one that leads house 2.
    1. sky diver
      sky diver 19 November 2015 20: 35 New
      +4
      My daughter was 6 years old. I came to my mother to work. And there one girl did not know who Tereshkova was. My wife says and ask my daughter who this is. Daughter and answered from a to z. The girl was 20 years old, and my daughter 6. Now my daughter is 20 to study in the third year at the university perfectly. So, caramel marmalades learn only with Buzova with her.
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 18: 44 New
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      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      Young people 90 percent stare at the social network where he is engaged in narcissism, chatting and like. A generation of sweet brainless oligophrenics.

      Are we all digging sweats in the trenches? laughing laughing laughing
  10. FID
    FID 19 November 2015 18: 03 New
    +4
    And as the Ministry of Education writes: a study of competencies, testing of tools ... Librarians want consumers of educational services to be able to put a cross instead of a signature and read the amount in words ... Nothing more is needed !!!
  11. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 19 November 2015 18: 04 New
    +1
    Кто из "отличников ЕГЭ" стал топ-менеджером, олигархом или тип того? ЕГЭ-шмэгэ...Не стоит концентрироваться на цифрах. Подобие успеха в соц.сетях. В жизни ЕГЭ не мешает зарабатывать и не помогает...Тьма пустышек "с двумя высшими образованиями", которые на кусок колбасы семье заработать не способны. Человек, не сдав ЕГЭ , зачастую сильно удивляется, почему в такой "опе" живёт "отличник"? Не главное по жизни это "ЕГЭ" . Главное, что человека изначально ставят ниже плинтуса по поводу фантазий лузеров от образования. Вот это плохо! Пусть неудачники, создающие ЕГЭ считают цены на колбасу, чтобы подешевле. И пусть думают. что их "фантазии" по жизни на что-то влияют!
    1. aviator1913
      aviator1913 19 November 2015 18: 17 New
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      by the same logic one can say who their Soviet pupils of excellent students became an oligarch, etc. things? Enterprising and successful people become oligarchs, volume managers; education does not play a decisive role there. But their children are already getting the best education that you can buy for money, since in the modern world it’s not so easy to make a fortune without knowledge and skills
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 19 November 2015 20: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: chelovektapok
      Кто из "отличников ЕГЭ" стал топ-менеджером, олигархом или тип того?
      Do you think that top managers, oligarchs and the type of something are happier than designers, scientists and the type of that? Or is it more beneficial for society? I’m playing around ...
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    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 07: 17 New
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      Quote: chelovektapok
      .Тьма пустышек "с двумя высшими образованиями", которые на кусок колбасы семье заработать не способны.

      It all depends on the person, his abilities. One of my old comrades, unfortunately gone, barely reached the eighth grade. Then all his life he was a great cook, worked at Intourist!
  12. hartlend
    hartlend 19 November 2015 18: 05 New
    +2
    Where can we get comrade Stalin?
    1. venaya
      venaya 19 November 2015 20: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: hartlend
      Where can we get comrade Stalin?
      To grow ourselves, as well as such an education minister as Vladimir Petrovich Potemkin.
      “The seriousness of the challenge posed to us by the Soviet Union is not that it is stronger than us militarily, but that he threatens us with his education system". - Admiral H.G. Rickover, father of an american nuclear submarine (from a speech to the US Congress in 1958)
      «The outcome of the battlethat we are conducting with the Soviet Union, to be solved in school classes Of America. " - J. F. Kennedy, future president of the USA

      Вот такие мнения высказывыали наши "друзья" о нашей системе образования созданной лучшим сталинским наркомом просвещения Владимиром Петровичем Потёмкиным. Ещё:
      In September 1943, at a reception with Stalin, Potemkin proposed the creation of the Academy of Pedagogical Sciences. Stalin thought. “Of course,” he said, “children are our pride, our shift. Unfortunately, in the development of the theory of pedagogy, in the preparation of scientific personnel, we still glide along the surface. I think the government will carefully consider these proposals. The question is very serious ”
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 07: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: hartlend
      Where can we get comrade Stalin?

      Dig out if the longing is stuck!
      1. venaya
        venaya 20 November 2015 08: 30 New
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        Quote: Bayonet
        Dig out if the longing is stuck!

        Тоска заела, ой как заела по нормальным лицам на телеэкране, не де...ому образованию в школе и везде, и как следствием этого нормальной, свободной экономике. Вы видимо этого в своей жизни не встречали, поэтому и такая взрывная реакция ненависти на всё, что не входит в понятие "нормы" по вашему образцу общества рабовладения и тотальной лжи без границ, а также вымирания дястка милионов граждан моей страны, до которых вам нет никакого дела.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 08: 34 New
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          Quote: venaya
          Longing stuck, oh how stuck on normal faces on the TV screen, not de ... education at school and everywhere, and as a result of this normal, free economy.

          There was such an economy a quarter century ago.

          Quote: venaya
          что не входит в понятие "нормы" по вашему образцу общества рабовладения и тотальной лжи без границ

          Are you talking about Ukraine and the Western media?
  13. venaya
    venaya 19 November 2015 18: 07 New
    +4
    The final “rout” of Russian school education is scheduled for spring ... Russian language - This is not just one of the school subjects. This is the backbone of the nation.

    Russian language? And on what we are offered to communicate. See how many terms of foreign origin are used even here on this site. And what, is it in favor? People no longer understand which word is theirs and which is foreign, hence the complete confusion in concepts and therefore in the final outbreaks of the logical chain of reasoning. This is not a time bomb, it is a real bomb that is striking at us now, I’m sowing a second, I can clearly see it now.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 19 November 2015 20: 40 New
      0
      Quote: venaya
      even here on this site
      Чем предлагаете заменить слово "сайт"? smile Только не "форумом", оно тоже иностранное.
      1. venaya
        venaya 19 November 2015 22: 14 New
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        Quote: Stanislav
        Чем предлагаете заменить слово "сайт"? Только не "форумом", оно тоже иностранное.

        Does it always make sense? Here in dialogues I often have to explain the meaning of certain words of foreign origin, without which I cannot quickly formulate a mutually acceptable conclusion on a specific topic, although when possible, I really try to use the words of my native language, by the way, bearing in mind that all other languages there are nothing but various dialects of the Russian language, and this I always take into account. Often, in polemics, this helps me greatly simplify the actual process of proof.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 20 November 2015 09: 37 New
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          Quote: venaya
          all other languages ​​are nothing but various dialects of the Russian language
          Chinese, Malagasy - dialects of Russian ?! laughing Cool! But not original ... Only dill can seriously discuss this topic, excuse me!
          1. venaya
            venaya 20 November 2015 19: 38 New
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            Quote: Stanislav
            Chinese, Malagasy - dialects of Russian ?! Cool! But not original ...

            Если вас интересуют прошлое Китая, то я готов вам дать некоторые данные на сей счёт, и это не смотря на то, что китайский относится к группе тоновых языков (4-х тоновый) африканского происхождения, влияние древнерусского и там велико, доказательства имеются, видимо вы с этим не знакомы. Насчёт малагасийского языка, даже по ТВ выступал человек, доказывающий влияние русского на языки южно-американских племён, а когда мы говорим о полинезии, не сочтите за труд посмотреть на такой казус, что самое быстроходно судно в мире было "проа". К тому же полинезия использовала религии ведического толка, то есть русского происхождения.
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas 20 November 2015 19: 52 New
              0
              Вы теперь говорите не о диалектах (незначительных отклонениях разновидности одного языка от других его разновидностей), а лишь о влиянии. В русском тоже можно обнаружить самые разные влияния, хоть китайские, но никто не назовёт русский "диалектом китайского". Даже украинский и белорусский уже выходят далеко за границы русских диалектов.
              1. venaya
                venaya 20 November 2015 20: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Stanislav
                Even Ukrainian and Belarusian already go far beyond the boundaries of Russian dialects.

                С этого и нало было начинать! Вы являетесь сторонником теории, что если ввести в коренной язык несколько необычных терминов и к томуже обозвать его иначе, то это уже не является диалектом, а вообще новым языком. Тема мне знакомая, насколько я понимаю продолжается уже 3000 - 6000-ть лет, исходя только из мне доступных данных. И я уже предполагаю кто конкретно этим занимается. Понятия "язык" и "диалект" в настоящий момент размыто напрочь. Вы похоже не являетесь сторонником академической науки с их яркими представителями, такими как М.Ломоносов и А.С.Шишков, которые давным давно доказали что русский язык является первородным, для всех языков мира. Если у вас есть иные источники или авторитеты, пожалуйста представте эти данные и фамилии авторитетов иных точек зрения в науке.
  14. Masya masya
    Masya masya 19 November 2015 18: 09 New
    +6
    The subject is sick !!! These reforms in education are staggering!
  15. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 19 November 2015 18: 10 New
    10
    Or maybe it's time for the ministry employees themselves to check for literacy and knowledge of subjects !!!!!! ??????????????????????????
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 19 November 2015 20: 05 New
      +1
      Цитата: Иван Славянин
      Or maybe it's time for the ministry employees themselves to check for literacy and knowledge of subjects !!!!!! ??????????????????????????


      Hmm ... not one can stand the simplest professional test ...

      P.S. В том числе и "Муму" никто из них не читал, и не знают, кто написал, а уж о смысле - и говорить не очем...
    2. sky diver
      sky diver 19 November 2015 20: 39 New
      0
      Яб их ставил под окнами отеля <<Метрополь>>
      And sent on their laden dump truck ...

      V.S. Vysotsky.
    3. Hope1960
      Hope1960 19 November 2015 23: 34 New
      +1
      Пять баллов за предложение!!! Сегодня в утренней передаче по России-1 молоденькая "начальница" лихо пудрила мозги "компетенциями" и "апробациями", ничего не сказав по сути вопроса этих проверок от образования! А провела бы она урок в школе? А в СССР такая возможность была предусмотрена!
  16. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 19 November 2015 18: 10 New
    +5
    The division of the Russian language exam into the basic and profile levels is not clear.
    At the basic level - spelling, and at the profile also punctuation? lol
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 19 November 2015 20: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      At the basic level - spelling, and at the profile also punctuation?



      To know where and in what case to put a comma in the phrase: Kill can not be pardoned ...
  17. WHG
    WHG 19 November 2015 18: 10 New
    +4
    Previously, children were taught in schools, but now they provide basic knowledge and say, teach yourself. Daughter in the 3rd grade. !!
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 19 November 2015 18: 18 New
      +3
      Keep!
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 19 November 2015 20: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: WHG
      Previously, children were taught in schools, but now they provide basic knowledge and say, teach yourself. Daughter in the 3rd grade. !!

      + Textbooks complicated mathematics to make it harder to understand the subject. The topic explains one example of solving a problem (and is explained by a confusing language), and tasks completely different tasks. So it's hard to figure it out.
  18. red_october
    red_october 19 November 2015 18: 12 New
    +8
    I don’t know how true this is, but on paper there are many correct points:



    Either we prepare for life, or for exams. We choose the first. "

    [i] Natalya Kireeva lives in Helsinki. She recently spoke about the system and principles of local education and shared her opinion on why Finnish education is considered one of the best in the world. Bright Side is surprised by its features.

    According to international studies conducted once every 3 by the reputable Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, Finnish students showed the highest level of knowledge in the world. They are also the most readable children of the planet, took 2-th place in the natural sciences and 5-th in mathematics. But even this is not so much admired by the pedagogical community. It is unbelievable that with such high results, students spend the least amount of time studying.

    Compulsory secondary education in Finland includes a two-level school:
    - lower (alakoulu), from 1 to 6 class;
    - top (yläkoulu), from 7 to 9 class.

    In the optional 10 class, students can improve their grades. Then the children go to a professional college or continue their studies at the lyceum (lukio), 11 – 12 classes in our usual sense.

    7 principles of the “secondary” level of Finnish education:
    ] 1. Equality

    [i] School. [/ i]

    There are neither elite nor "weak". 960 students are studying at the largest school in the country. In the smallest - 11. All have exactly the same equipment, capabilities and proportional funding. Almost all schools are state-owned; there are a dozen public-private schools. The difference, in addition to the fact that parents make a partial payment, is in the increased requirements for students. As a rule, these are peculiar “pedagogical” laboratories that follow the chosen pedagogy: Montessori, Frenet, Mortana and the Waldorf School. To private include institutions with teaching in English, German, French.

    Following the principle of equality, in Finland there is a parallel education system "from kindergartens to universities" in Swedish. The interests of the Sami people are not forgotten, in the north of the country you can study in your native language.

    Until recently, the Finns were forbidden to choose a school, they should give children to the "nearest". The ban was lifted, but most parents give their children “closer”, because all schools are equally good.

    All items.

    An in-depth study of some subjects to the detriment of others is not welcome. Here it is not considered that mathematics is more important, for example, than art. On the contrary, the only exception to creating classes with gifted children may be a penchant for drawing, music and sports.

    Parents.

    Who is the parent of the child by profession (social status), the teacher will be the last to know, if necessary. Questions of teachers, questionnaires regarding the place of work of parents are prohibited.



    Source: http://www.adme.ru/zhizn-nauka/7-principov-finskogo-obrazovaniya-838510/?vksrc=v
    ksrc838510 © Bright Side
  19. red_october
    red_october 19 November 2015 18: 15 New
    +6
    Pupils.

    Finns do not sort students into classes by ability or career preference.

    There are also no “bad” and “good” students. Comparison of students with each other is prohibited. Children, both ingenious and with a great lack of mental abilities, are considered “special” and study with everyone. In the general team, children with wheelchairs also study. In a regular school, a class can be created for students with diseases of the organs of vision or hearing. The Finns are trying to integrate as much as possible into society those who need a special attitude. The difference between weak and strong students is the smallest in the world.

    “I was outraged by the Finnish education system when my daughter studied at school, which by local standards can be classified as gifted. But when my son went to school, who has an abundance of problems, I immediately liked everything very much, ”the Russian mother shared her impressions.

    Teachers.

    There are no "beloved" or "hated gryms." Teachers also do not attach their souls to "their class", do not allocate "favorites" and vice versa. Any deviations from harmony lead to termination of the contract with such a teacher. Finnish teachers need only do their mentor job. All of them are equally important in the work collective: “physicists”, and “lyricists”, and teachers of labor.

    Equality of rights of an adult (teacher, parent) and child.

    The Finns call this principle "respect for the student." Children from the 1 class are explained their rights, including the right to “complain” to adults to a social worker. This stimulates Finnish parents to understand that their child is an independent person, which is forbidden to offend with a word or a belt. Teachers cannot be humiliated by teachers due to the peculiarities of the teacher profession adopted in Finnish labor law. The main feature is that all teachers sign a contract for the 1 academic year only, with a possible (or not) extension, and also receive a high salary (from 2 500 euros - an assistant, to 5 000 - a subject teacher).

    2. Free

    In addition to the training itself, free of charge:

    Lunch
    -excursions, museums and all extracurricular activities;
    -transport, which picks up and returns the child if the nearest school is further than two kilometers;
    -tutorials, all office supplies, calculators and even laptops-tablets.
    Any parental fundraising for any purpose is prohibited.

    3. Individuality

    An individual plan of education and development is drawn up for each child. Individualization refers to the content of textbooks, exercises, the number of classroom and homework assignments and the time allotted to them, as well as the material taught: to whom the “roots” are a more detailed exposition, and from whom the “tops” are required - briefly about the main thing.

    In a lesson in the same class, children perform exercises of different difficulty levels. And they will be evaluated according to a personal level. If you have perfectly completed “your” exercise of initial complexity, get “excellent”. Tomorrow they will give a level higher - you can’t do it - it's okay, again you will get a simple task.
  20. red_october
    red_october 19 November 2015 18: 17 New
    +2
    In Finnish schools, along with regular education, there are two unique varieties of the educational process:

    - Supportive training for “weak” students is what private tutors do in Russia. In Finland, tutoring is not popular; school teachers voluntarily cope with additional help during or after the lesson.
    - Corrective education - is associated with persistent general problems in mastering the material, for example, due to a lack of understanding of the non-native Finnish language in which the training is conducted, or due to difficulties with memorization, with mathematical skills, as well as with the asocial behavior of some children. Correctional training is carried out in small groups or individually.

    4. Practicality

    The Finns say: “Either we prepare for life, or for exams. We choose the first. " Therefore, there are no exams in Finnish schools. Control and intermediate tests are at the discretion of the teacher. There is only one mandatory standard test at the end of secondary school, and teachers do not bother about its results, do not report to anyone and children are not specially prepared: what is good.

    The school teaches only what may be needed in life. A blast furnace device, for example, is not useful; it is not being studied. But the local children from childhood know what a portfolio, contract, bank card is. They are able to calculate the percentage of tax on inheritance received or earned income in the future, create a business card website on the Internet, calculate the price of goods after several discounts or depict a "wind rose" in the area.

    5. The trust

    Firstly, to school workers and teachers: there are no checks, rono, methodologists, teaching how to teach, and so on. The education program in the country is unified, but it represents only general recommendations, and each teacher uses the teaching method that he considers appropriate.

    Secondly, trust in children: in the lessons you can do something your own. For example, if an educational film is included in a literature lesson, but the student is not interested, he can read the book. It is believed that the student himself chooses what is more useful for him.
  21. red_october
    red_october 19 November 2015 18: 19 New
    +1
    6. Volunteering

    Learning is one who wants to study. Teachers will try to attract the attention of the student, but if he is completely lacking interest or the ability to learn, the child will be oriented towards a practically “uncomplicated” profession in the future and will not be bombed by “deuces”. Not everyone builds airplanes; someone needs to drive buses well.

    In this, the Finns also see the task of the secondary school - to identify whether a given teenager should continue his studies at the lyceum or if a minimum level of knowledge is sufficient, who would benefit from going to a vocational school. It should be noted that both ways in the country are equally appreciated.

    A full-time school specialist - a “teacher of the future” is busy identifying each child’s inclinations to a certain type of activity through tests and conversations.

    In general, the learning process in a Finnish school is mild, delicate, but this does not mean that you can be “scored" for school. School control is required. All missed lessons will be “served” in the literal sense. For example, for a student of the 6 class, a teacher can find a “window” in the schedule and put him to a lesson in the 2 class: sit, miss and think about life. You will interfere with the younger ones - they will not count the hour. Do not fulfill the tasks set by the teacher, do not work in the lesson - no one will call parents, threaten, insult, turning to mental inferiority or laziness. If the parents are also not concerned about their child’s education, he will not calmly move to the next class.

    Staying in the second year in Finland is ungracious, especially after the 9 class. You need to prepare seriously for adulthood, therefore, in Finnish schools there is an additional (optional) 10 class.

    7. Independence

    The Finns believe that the school should teach the child the main thing - an independent future successful life. Therefore, they are taught to think and to receive knowledge themselves. The teacher does not tell new topics - everything is in the books. The important thing is not the learned formulas, but the ability to use the reference book, text, Internet, calculator - to attract the necessary resources to solve current problems.

    Also, school teachers do not intervene in the conflicts of students, giving them the opportunity to prepare for life situations comprehensively and develop the ability to fend for themselves.

    The educational process in the “identical” Finnish schools, however, is organized very differently.

    When and how much do we study?

    The school year in Finland begins in August, from 8 to 16, there is no single day. And ends in late May. In the autumn half of the year there are 3 – 4 days of autumn vacation and 2 weeks of Christmas. The spring half of the year includes the week of February - “ski” holidays (Finnish families, as a rule, go skiing together) - and Easter.

    Training is a five-day period, only on a day shift. Friday is a "short day."
  22. red_october
    red_october 19 November 2015 18: 21 New
    +1
    What are we learning?

    1 – 2 class:

    We study native (Finnish) language and reading, mathematics, nature studies, religion (according to religion) or life understanding (for those who do not care about religion), music, art, labor and physical education. In one lesson, several disciplines can be studied at once.

    3 – 6 class:

    Learning English begins. In the 4 class - another foreign language to choose from: French, Swedish, German or Russian. Additional disciplines are introduced - subjects of choice, in each school they have their own: typing speed on the keyboard, computer literacy, the ability to work with wood, choral singing. In almost all schools - playing musical instruments, over 9 years of schooling, children will try everything from the pipe to the double bass.

    The 5 class adds biology, geography, physics, chemistry, history. From 1 to 6, one teacher provides instruction in almost all subjects. A physical education lesson is any 1 – 3 sports game once a week, depending on the school. After the lesson, a shower is required. Literature, in the usual sense, is not being studied, it is rather a reading. Subject teachers appear only in the 7 class.

    7 – 9 class:

    Finnish language and literature (reading, culture of the region), Swedish, English, mathematics, biology, geography, physics, chemistry, the basics of health, religion (understanding of life), music, art, physical education, elective subjects and work that are not separated separately " for boys ”and“ for girls ”. Together they learn to cook soups and cut with a jigsaw. In the 9 class - 2 weeks of acquaintance with the “working life”. The guys find themselves any "workplace" and with great pleasure go "to work".

    Who needs grades?

    The country has adopted the 10-score system, but before the 7 class a verbal assessment is applied: mediocre, satisfactory, good, excellent. From 1 to 3, there is no mark class in any variants.

    All schools are connected to the Wilma state electronic system, a kind of electronic school diary to which parents receive a personal access code. Teachers give grades, record omissions, inform about the life of the child in school; a psychologist, a social worker, a “teacher of the future”, a medical assistant, too, leave the information they need for their parents.

    Grades in a Finnish school are not ominous and are required only for the student himself, they are used to motivate the child to achieve his goal and self-examination, so that he can improve his knowledge if he wishes. They do not affect the reputation of teachers, schools and district indicators do not spoil.
    1. red_october
      red_october 19 November 2015 18: 32 New
      +1
      Little things in school life

      - The territory of the schools is not fenced, there is no security at the entrance. Most schools have an automatic lock system on the front door, you can get into the building only according to the schedule.
      -Children do not necessarily sit at desks-tables, they can also be placed on the floor (carpet). In some schools, classes are equipped with sofas, armchairs. The premises of the elementary school are covered with rugs and rugs.
      - There is no uniform, as well as some requirements for clothes, you can come even in pajamas. Replaceable shoes are required, but most junior and mid-level children prefer running in socks.
      -In warm weather, lessons are often held outdoors at the school, right on the grass, or on shops specially equipped as amphitheaters. During breaks, elementary school students must be taken out, even for 10 minutes.
      - Homework is rarely asked. Children should rest. And parents should not take lessons with children, teachers recommend instead a family trip to a museum, forest or pool.
      -Training “at the blackboard” is not applied, children are not forced to retell the material. The teacher briefly sets the general tone for the lesson, then walks between the students, helping them and supervising the tasks. The assistant teacher also does the same (there is such a position in a Finnish school).
      - In notebooks you can write with a pencil and wash as much as you like. Moreover, the teacher can check the task with a pencil!

      This is what Finnish secondary education looks like in a very short summary. Maybe it will seem wrong to someone. Finns do not claim to be ideal and do not rest on their laurels, even in the best you can find cons. They constantly examine how their school system is consistent with ongoing changes in society. For example, at the moment, reforms are being prepared that will divide mathematics into algebra and geometry and increase the hours of teaching on them, as well as highlight literature and social science as separate subjects.

      However, the Finnish school is definitely doing the most important thing. Their children do not cry out at night from nervous strain, do not dream of growing up soon, do not feel hatred for school, do not torment themselves and their entire family, preparing for the next exams. Calm, sensible and happy, they read books, easily watch films without translating into Finnish, play computer games, drive on roller skates, greats, bikes, compose music, theater plays, sing. They enjoy life. And between all this they still have time to learn.
      Author: Natalya Kireeva
      Source: http://www.adme.ru/zhizn-nauka/7-principov-finskogo-obrazovaniya-838510/?vksrc=v
      ksrc838510 © Bright Side
      1. red_october
        red_october 19 November 2015 18: 36 New
        +3
        For all the critical attitude to the work of social services in Finland (as well as Norway, the Netherlands ...) they have moments that will be very useful to us. Article for thought.
        I apologize for the length of my comments, but posting to reading it makes sense here.
      2. Riv
        Riv 19 November 2015 19: 38 New
        +2
        Interestingly, how is the education of Muslim children organized there? Something I hardly believe that Muslim girls will run around the school in socks and pajamas ...
  23. Tanysh
    Tanysh 19 November 2015 18: 21 New
    +9
    Уважаемый Владимир Владимирович! Ваши предшественники вывели формулу успеха построения государства созидателей " Учитель в Советском государстве должен стоять на такой высоте на какой не стоял, не стоит и не будет стоять ни в одном капиталистическом государстве"
    We rushed headlong into capitalism, but the state did not benefit from this. Can all the same keep the experience of the predecessors and think?
  24. Belarus
    Belarus 19 November 2015 18: 23 New
    +2
    Why touch the Soviet education system? I don’t understand, but Belarus went further than Russian reformers as an example of a 10-point rating system.
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    2. venaya
      venaya 19 November 2015 22: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Belarus
      Why touch the Soviet education system, I don’t understand .
      Всё очень прсто: "«The outcome of the battle, которую мы ведём с Советским Союзом, будет решён в школьных классах Америки». Дж. Ф. Кеннеди" и "«Call severity, брошенного нам Советским Союзом, состоит не в том, что он сильнее нас в военном отношении, а в том, что он угрожает нам своей системой образования» - Адмирал Х. Г. Риковер, отец американской атомной подводной лодки". Надеюсь, дополнительных объяснений не понадобиться, и так всё ясно кто и на кого работает.
  25. aviator1913
    aviator1913 19 November 2015 18: 32 New
    +2
    Why I didn’t touch the Soviet education system, I don’t understand, but the RB went beyond the Russian reformers as an example of the 10 ball rating system.



    А что плохого в 10 бальной системе? Опишите объективные причины только, а не субъективные, по типу "Так привычней, 4 с минусом это не 3"
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 19 November 2015 18: 53 New
      0
      Dear, let’s introduce a 1000 point ... Why then take a penny? AND?
      1. venaya
        venaya 19 November 2015 22: 21 New
        +1
        Цитата: dr. sem
        Dear, let’s introduce a 1000 point ... Why then take a penny? AND?

        У нас у всех на одной руке пять пальцев, на двух десять, так легче объснять значение оценки "on fingers". И где мы будем объяснять "на пальцах" оценку в 1000 баллов?
        1. Riv
          Riv 20 November 2015 07: 47 New
          0
          In fact, using 10 fingers on your hands, you can set a score of 1024 points. The binary system, yeah ... But not one of those who graduated from high school in this century is up to date.
  26. cap
    cap 19 November 2015 18: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    what kind of knowledge what kind of study, look at public transport around. Youngsters 90 percent stare at the social network where he is engaged in narcissism, chat and like. A generation of sweet brainless oligophrenics.
    A question on the street was asked, what is the Holocaust? the answer killed .... this is the coast of France.
    question: -who is Tereshkova?
    answer: I don’t know
    the question is who is Buzova?
    answer: ahhh this is the one that leads house 2.

    I heard even worse. How have you not been sent for questions?
    Awful of course.
    Вот образец "спеца"
    Question: how is resistance calculated in the electrical circuit?
    Answer: give me three answers, I will find the right one.
  27. veksha50
    veksha50 19 November 2015 18: 34 New
    +4
    " А будущих учителей — или по-новому окрестить их “Producers of educational services"" ...

    The USE came to us from the United States, in which it successfully crashed, but what the United States and figures from their culture and education, of course, do not recognize ...

    Why, then, not following the example of the USA, instead of teaching para-teachers in schools, paramedics (like people who do not even have the educational level of ours, Russian paramedics and nurses) work in ambulances like ???

    Why would a school cleaner or a supply manager, a building maintenance worker not combine their main activity with teaching any subjects ??? Before lunch - conducts lessons, after lunch - removes or repairs ...

    There was a time when proofreaders were removed from publishing houses and printing houses - we are reaping the benefits now ... At the same time, trackmen were not needed ... then, scientists ... now, doctors and teachers ...

    А проверять на "компетентность" и профпригодность нынешних преподавателей будут какие-нибудь из центров, финансируемых опять таки США...

    PS I have to do homework with my granddaughter, a second-grader ... Gradually, I began to realize that not only she, but I also became a moron ... The modern school curriculum is something !!!
  28. WERSTA.
    WERSTA. 19 November 2015 18: 38 New
    +4
    This is not a reform of education, but a witch hunt. In my opinion, the Ministry of Education is rushing about idleness, exposing the most ridiculous tasks for its employees. Let the teachers work calmly! The official will never know Russian better than the teacher who deals with it everyday!
  29. Stinger
    Stinger 19 November 2015 18: 39 New
    +2
    I read and thought that soon the spinal cord would be enough to get an education. Like the current reformers.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 19 November 2015 19: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      I read and thought that soon the spinal cord would be enough to get an education. Like the current reformers.

      Everyone has the right to receive an education in any part of the body that he knows how to use, but modern business, especially production and design morons are unnecessary, from the word at all! And time today and always puts everything in its place! Knowledge is impossible to buy, for no money and can not be obtained if there is no desire!
      Those who really want to learn, learn and learn and nothing will hinder it, especially now that they have the Internet, which was not in Soviet times and where you can find everything from dozens of films of experiments chewing any process, to scientific papers on any subject , well, if the person is Baobab, then it is fate that, through the Unified State Examination, gives such another chance or remains to look for the guilty, the Unified State Examination, Putin, the oligarchs, their own eggs, etc. ...
      Granite of science must be nibbled by erasing teeth, losing sight and hair ...
  30. staryivoin
    staryivoin 19 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +8
    This is not an apocalypse. This is a very sharp stop. I speak as a person working in a school not in a small position. Those who are against reform do not understand what the problem is. It lies in the fact that our students really began to understand less, and sometimes simply are not able to reproduce and apply what they just read or learned.
    The problem of pedagogy is that there is no understanding that the exam and the exam in the form in which they are can not solve this problem. And what a problem practical грамотности наших школьников назрела вроде видят все, и учителя видят тоже. Но есть "программа реформ" и МинОбр "воплощает" их в жизнь. Как то так...
    I will not continue the topic ...
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 19 November 2015 18: 57 New
      +1
      В России уже давно нет министерства образования, а есть либерас.тическая МИНОБРАЗина, которая решает задачу ДЕБИЛИЗАЦИИ НАСЕЛЕНИЯ В СТАХАНОВСКОМ ТЕМПЕ, ШТАМПУЯ "КОМПЕТЕНТНЫХ ПОТРЕБИТЕЛЕЙ"...
  31. Awaz
    Awaz 19 November 2015 18: 52 New
    0
    The Unified State Examination system itself, a thing is very convenient and not bad. Because there are some ugly moments in it, you need to work with them. and oddly enough they work with them - in any case, the exam changes almost every year. Of course, I don’t know what’s there according to the division of the Russian language into categories, but personally, for those who really do not need it, they can write a dictation and those who need it should write an essay. In such a system, I see nothing wrong. And universities should still have the right to screen out by some means those who they do not like. In general, the biggest problem in education is the problem of higher education. Schoolchildren are schoolchildren - this is children and they still want to play and indulge more, but they should ask students in the most rigorous way. Well, and most importantly, higher education should be free, but difficult and inaccessible for lazy people and loafers.
  32. Readme
    Readme 19 November 2015 19: 00 New
    +5
    Работая в школе 15 лет, уже в первый год стало понятно, государству наплевать. Ему нужно общество послушных баранов, где пастухами будут силовики. Естественно, зарабатываю я в бизнесе, но школу не могу бросить, отец - заслуженный Учитель. Начинал с 2500 руб. за месяц, сейчас 7100 руб. Понятно, что учишь не за деньги, но мои опасения с каждым годом только подтверждаются: "государству наплевать. Ему нужно общество послушных баранов, где пастухами будут силовики". Конечно, если присмотреться можно найти ещё чуток плюсов, например, бывших учеников ставших настоящими людьми, которые при встрече сетуют, что мало их гонял, что жизнь карала, но помнят и благодарны. Приятно, что создают семьи, воспитывают детей как надо, успешны в работе. Но минусов вообще тьма. И ЕГЭ - это только тонкий слой снега на огромном айсберге, где большая его часть, скрытая под водой - это будущее наших детей и внуков, которые нужны только нам (родителям), но никак не государству. За 15 лет, в моей и соседних школах всё больше учителей без энтузиазма, быт всё убивает, как платят - так и работаю, и уже не только молодые педагоги так живут. Вывод один: учите сами своих детей, ни на кого не надейтесь. Нет денег кормить детей, включите им новости, там кормят на убой!!!
    1. 3officer
      3officer 19 November 2015 19: 05 New
      +3
      But it’s also necessary to train the siloviki. Nobody needs stupid siloviki wassat
  33. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 19 November 2015 19: 09 New
    0
    Well, that’s it. Goodbye school hello army.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 07: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis-Skiff
      Well, that’s it. Goodbye school hello army.
  34. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 19 November 2015 19: 18 New
    +6
    And I studied in a Soviet school and am very proud of it! In 1960 he went to 1st grade. They began to write with a pencil, then they were especially diligent and calligraphy who were allowed to write with a pen with an ink pen, and the ink was in a non-spill inkwell. And so on in the ascendant ... They were the Oktyabrs, pioneers, Komsomol members. Each step has its idols. They read books passionately, they knew the history of their homeland a little. Examinations passed the teachers eye to eye.
    And now I know much more than many current graduates and university students. And this my generation can be proud of the education system of the USSR! What now?! It's a shame to say. Almost do not know anything. Thumb generation. Everything from the Internet, where sometimes it is written such that in a fairy tale say no obscene. Our education has come! ... There are no words ...
  35. Alex 74
    Alex 74 19 November 2015 19: 28 New
    +1
    Article plus! While the iPhone with the team in the government, there will be a mess ...
  36. ASK505
    ASK505 19 November 2015 19: 31 New
    +7
    The school is forming a nation, people. Therefore, the teacher wins the war. Today, the raw material Gaidar model of the economy rules, the impasse of which is already obvious. The economic model makes an order for the school for a specific person. The Gaidar model requires a thoughtless consumer, a biorobot. There is no teacher at the school and at the Higher School today, and the reform has already matured there, as well as the reform at the time in the army. She is waiting for her “Serdyukov” to disperse this mafia, where a real teacher and personality do not take root. Children do not go to the subject, but to the teacher. There is the personality of the teacher, there is interest in the subject. Such a teacher does not humiliate assessments, screams and insults. That's great rarity. We have discussed this more than once on the forum. And you need to start the reform with the Russian language.
    Истинная любовь к своей родине начинается с любви к своему языку. И как тут не вспомнить классика И. С. Тургенева: "...наш язык, наш прекрасный русский язык – это клад, это достояние, переданное нам нашими предшественниками! Обращайтесь почтительно с этим могущественным орудием; в руках умелых оно в состоянии совершать чудеса". Но стоит сказать какому-то «народному» «маршалу» или «генералу», что начало предложения, имена собственные, название городов, стран и континентов в русском языке пишутся с большой буквы, а, заканчивая мысль, необходимо ставить точку, то на тебя спускают всех собак с минусами. Сразу срабатывает инстинкт толпы, где мыслить вредно. И минусёрам плевать, что Русская цивилизация держится «на трёх китах» - идея справедливости, Пушкин и русский язык. С гиком пилят своей вопиющей безграмотностью сук, на котором сидят. Модераторам фильтровать словесный хлам.
    Further. Foreign languages ​​should be displayed outside the school. In the 01st century, foreign language courses successfully cope with this at every corner. Who needs it - everything is there. Introduce separate education for boys and girls. There was a war, but on 09.1943. XNUMX Stalin did not accidentally introduce separate training. Future men, warriors, real fathers and patriots need to be educated in the men's team. Today we need to sit in classrooms along the walls, so that everyone can see each other's faces, and not hide behind their backs from childhood.
    About the teachers. My teacher, who is already over 80, once said over tea at home that “99% of teachers in school are random people.” I agree with her. Therefore, regular tests and examinations in neutral territory should be mandatory for all teachers. Shake mercilessly to the fullest. They are responsible for the future people. And the training of future teachers in universities will also need to be reviewed. Otherwise, the degradation is increasing, which we see today.
  37. Koshak
    Koshak 19 November 2015 19: 36 New
    0
    Пусть "пенсию не зря дают", но всё же: кто плюсует сообщения о терактах и о положении дел в образовании, здравоохранении? "Не могу понять"(с)
  38. Grandfather Eugene
    Grandfather Eugene 19 November 2015 19: 38 New
    -1
    Может это покажется абсурдом. Но не кажется ли Вам товарищи что перед 3 мировой не нужно высококвалифицированное "мясо" , больные , старики и наркоманы, а с этого можно сэкономить и прочими "мелочами" на удержание бюджета и оборонные заказы и войну? Звучит и есть очень жестко. Но скоро будет совсем туго, говорят события

    Here is an excerpt from one of the articles, I consider Peter Stolypin’s words on tough politics as a theme: “The state can, the state is obliged, when it is in danger, to adopt the most stringent, most exceptional laws to protect itself from decay. It was, it is, it will be always and invariably. This principle is in the nature of man, it is in the nature of the state itself. When the house is burning, gentlemen, you break into other people's apartments, break doors, break windows. When a person is sick, his body is treated, poisoning him with poison. When a killer attacks you, you kill him. This order is recognized by all states. There is no legislation that would not give the government the right to suspend the course of the law when the state body is shaken to the roots; which would not give him the authority to suspend all the rules of law. This, gentlemen, is a state of necessary defense ... There are fatal moments in the life of a state when state necessity is higher than law and when it is necessary to choose between the whole of theories and the whole of the Fatherland ”

    Here are some of the links on which my assumption is based.

    http://topwar.ru/86459-nas-zhdet-velikaya-epoha.html Про экономическую войну

    http://vz.ru/economy/2015/10/27/774648.html дефицит бюджета к 18 году
  39. Whowhy
    Whowhy 19 November 2015 19: 40 New
    0
    Зачем столько букаф? И так ясно, что в образовании у нас давно царит геноцид. Эти либерасты, как тараканы - "ты их в дверь, они в окно". Начались какие-то положительные сдвиги в экономике, так они в другом месте усилили ср_ач. Понятно, что без грамотных (во всех отношениях) специалистов нам экономику не поднять...
  40. Indifferent
    Indifferent 19 November 2015 19: 49 New
    +3
    I put a plus to the author for raising this topic here! Thank you for not being indifferent. We need smart soldiers, not dolbaks. My opinion is that a lot of people have gathered in the leadership of our education who value their salaries and their posts. Children do not care! Especially a lot in the higher circles, so to speak, are people of a liberalistic orientation. Which look only at the West, where the drop in school education is already just going off scale.
    But there is no person or organization that would give them a hat since the days of the USSR. They drank and danced in the 90s.
    And the Guarantor does not have time to delve into this problem, although it is paramount in society.
    1. WINovikov
      WINovikov 19 November 2015 20: 42 New
      0
      Indifferent
      And the Guarantor does not have time to delve into this problem, although it is paramount in society.
      And everything is up to the Garant. Otherwise, the entire government and the State Duma would have been seated. Where is the guarantor landing?
    2. ivan48857
      ivan48857 20 November 2015 05: 46 New
      +2
      We need smart soldiers, not dolbaks.
      The more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense! Army folklore.
  41. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 19 November 2015 19: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Baikonur
    So, in a short time, literacy (enormous) was almost completely eliminated, and later, thanks to this, Soviet society reached the highest level of education, education, upbringing!
    And now - the elimination of literacy (LIKGRAM)
    Degradation. Sabotage. Government!

    Саботаж это намеренное невыполнение своих обязанностей! А наш Минобр как раз в достаточно короткие сроки выполняет указания правительства - разрушает основу государственности, выполняя волю мирового правительства - оттеснить Россию в науке и промышленности на уровень недоразвитых стран и этим покончить с Россией и закрыть т.н. "русский вопрос"! Под лозунгом экономии бюджета образования - разрушить науку, культуру и экономику страны, а людей превратить в простейших потребителей западных "ценностей". Это не Минобр - это МинразрушОбр! am
  42. xorgi
    xorgi 19 November 2015 20: 04 New
    +7
    Опять статью об образовании пишет не педагог. Ну не знает он чем живут учителя. По поводу апробации, компетенции и прочее. У нас сейчас имеется старая система оценки компетенции учителя, она основывается на такой вещи как открытый урок. В этом ее большой минус. ВСЕГДА, и в советское время, и сейчас на открытый урок детей НАТАСКИВАЮТ, грубо выражаясь дрессируют. Реальной оценки учитель не получает. Причем оценивают в ряде случаев именно свои коллеги, что тоже не позволяет адекватно оценивать учителя. Что предложат сейчас пока не знаю. Хорошо хоть задумались над этим. По поводу русского языка, я уже высказывался. Считаю что существующую систему преподавания нужно менять, за счет сокращения часов на письменные работы, но со значительным увеличением часов на культуру речи. Мне плевать как ученик пишет слово "корова", все равно при написании упражнения он откроет Ворд, проверит ошибки в нем и спишет. Это его ничему не научит. И будет у него за домашнее 5, а за классную 2. И все бы ничего, НО потом придут его родители и будут орать, что я плохой учитель, я гноблю их ребенка: дома он хорошо учится, а вот в классе плохо. Мне противно когда по телевизору показывают не.доу.мков из Камеди-клаб или чего-то вроде, которые матерятся через слово, противно когда слышу от человека тот же мат или "блатную феню", противно когда играет "блатняк", называемый туп.и.цами шансон, противно когда вижу диски с надписью "перевод Гоблина" или "Красная плесень", противно когда люди вставляют не русифицированную иностранную речь, противно слушать американизированный рэп - потому что я знаю все это слушают дети. И для противовеса всему этому дер.ь.му и нужен урок русской речи.
  43. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 19 November 2015 20: 09 New
    +2
    rave. In our school, three-year-olds with chronic eyes closed triplets in the exam and in the certificate. What used to be for such basic levels .. what now. Only the form has changed. And as they made 10 mistakes in one word ... they do so. It's just that teachers just need to let students out ... yes, work hours. Those who loved their profession .. approached the matter responsibly ... they gave knowledge .. and others pulled by the ears. I speak on the example of my school. 90е-00е.
  44. max15243
    max15243 19 November 2015 20: 16 New
    +1
    Читаю комментарии и поражаюсь наивности людей. Выбрав капитализм образование тоже стало "товаром". Сейчас что бы сносно выучить английский надо идти на платные курсы и/или нанимать репетитора. Упрощение школьного образования нужно что бы отсеять не "вложившихся" материально в образование от "хороших" хорошо оплачиваемых рабочих мест. С высшим образованием в нынешнем "переходном" состоянии вообще швах. С 2010 года наше государство на бюджетные средства обучает граждан СНГ в ВУЗах! Высшее образование вообще без комментариев (один мат!). Наше образование идет по закономерному пути. В итоге будет как в США, хочешь получить хорошее образование либо надо иметь состоятельных родителей, либо получай "грант" за успехи в учебе или спорте, либо отслужи в армии. На мой взгляд в этой системе присутствует хоть капля справедливости в отличие от сегодняшней нашей действительности (из-за демографической ямы 90-х ВУЗы проводили мероприятия для привлечения абитуриентов, если есть желание и финансовая возможность-на стипендию не прожить-на бюджет трудно не попасть)
  45. atamankko
    atamankko 19 November 2015 20: 23 New
    +1
    Now it’s not interesting to speak with the examiner, if not disgusting,
    There are also literate children, but as a rule, they are involved in the family.
  46. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 19 November 2015 20: 31 New
    -1
    Цитата: Дедушка Евгений
    Может это покажется абсурдом. Но не кажется ли Вам товарищи что перед 3 мировой не нужно высококвалифицированное "мясо" , больные , старики и наркоманы, а с этого можно сэкономить и прочими "мелочами" на удержание бюджета и оборонные заказы и войну? Звучит и есть очень жестко. Но скоро будет совсем туго, говорят события

    right. the states are already there. waiting for us.
  47. gammipapa
    gammipapa 19 November 2015 20: 41 New
    +3
    The article is correct and true, he worked for many years in a regular high school. Here recently celebrated a birthday, relatives came teachers. We sat chatting, feel sorry for them, such tormented, nothing at all pleases. We’ve talked about salaries, they raise everything, I tell you everything ... they neigh for a long time, yeah they say, compared to last year, the load increased, and the salary decreased by 3 thousand. Such things.
  48. Stanislas
    Stanislas 19 November 2015 20: 55 New
    0
    На министра Ливанова все бочку катят. Но задумайтесь, он ведь "чужой" в системе, как и Сердюков был в МО, он не связан с клановыми структурами, которые есть в науке и образовании не менее, а во много более, чем в армии.
    If he or his protégé had stolen even a penny, the whole country would have been yelling about this long ago.
    If its purpose is to destroy the clan structure in the system, and after it should come a person who will develop it, then everything is correct. Why bother him? EGE-shmege, it did not start from him, and in general this is the tenth case.
  49. Stanss
    Stanss 19 November 2015 21: 51 New
    +3
    у меня сейчас сын во 2-м классе учится, я сам вроде русский особо не знаю, но пишу грамотно, ну и какие-то правила со школы все равно помнятся... но то чему их учат-в упор не понимаю, какая-то транскрипция, пропуски в словах и т.п., уроки по русскому только жена проверяет, она вроде что-то соображает... Да и не только русский: на днях с мелким математику делал, задачи, как у Задорнова, не могу не процитировать: "друг на друга гавкали две собаки. одна сказала "гав,гав,гав,гав,гав", другая - на четыре раза больше. Сколько раз гавкнули обе собаки?" так что начальное образование по-моему у нас уже все накрывается медным тазом и его усердно наши министры от "образования" пытаются сделать как в тане.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 07: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: StanSS
      Сколько раз гавкнули обе собаки?"

      Fourteen smile If they asked how many times both dogs meowed, I would answer - dogs do not meow! Did you manage normally? smile
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 20 November 2015 08: 24 New
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: StanSS
        Сколько раз гавкнули обе собаки?"

        Fourteen smile If they asked how many times both dogs meowed, I would answer - dogs do not meow! Did you manage normally? smile

        Not so simple, colleague. laughing
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 November 2015 12: 55 New
          0
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Not so simple, colleague.

          And what's in there? The picture is not clickable, too small.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 21 November 2015 16: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Bayonet
            And what's in there? The picture is not clickable, too small.

            http://forums.drom.ru/law/t1151877698.html

            http://pikabu.ru/story/quotidiotentestquot_dlya_nemetskikh_voditeley_lishennyikh
            _prav_1443959
  50. samarin1969
    samarin1969 19 November 2015 21: 54 New
    +1
    Автор прав: за любой реформой торчат финансовые "уши" интересов чиновников от образования. Это не экономия. Мало, кто знает, но огромные суммы выделяются на разработки всяких "стандартов", формальную "переквалификацию, написания бредовых программ...

    Проблема "двух уровней" изучения предметов имеет простую историю.

    У родителей и детей, в большинстве своём, на прочь отсутствует МОТИВАЦИЯ изучать "террабайты знаний "для общего развития"....Аттестат АТТЕСТАТ дадут В ЛЮБОМ СЛУЧАЕ, а для дальнейшей учебы, даже на бюджете, нужны деньги!. В результате, написанные "историко-культурные стандарты" учат только будущие студенты....Для остальных пытаются создать ликбез под названием "базовый уровень", и его всё-равно не выучат..."А зачем"?