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Putin put Lagard in a comfortable position.

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News about the proposal of the Russian Federation to restructure the Ukrainian debt, known as the “bribe to Yanukovych”, caught our surprise. At first there was joy. Something like the summer of last year on the outskirts of Ilovaisk: they say a little more - and the parade of victory in the lair of the enemy is assured. Then, as then, the first doubts arose: is there a trap here? And why did Putin talk to Lagarde about the fate of 3 of billions of dollars, adding that he was waiting for guarantees from the US government, the EU or international financial organizations? And is the aggressor not encroaching on a third loan guarantee in 1 a billion dollars., Promised by the States? Not surprisingly, until yesterday evening, the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance did not give specific comments ...

The only craft that Ukraine has mastered in the last year to perfection is to turn into a problem for all progressive humanity. Europe gives us money, trade preferences and pays for Russian gas. Americans give guarantees. Well, more good advice. And to them - the Georgian reformers. The IMF, the World Bank, the EBRD, the IFC and the rest lend to you. New debts are needed to pay old ones, so the process promises to be endless. The OSCE is busy with our conflict in the Donbas. The Red Cross is looking for the dead bodies at the airport in Donetsk. The UN is supplying tents and some other nonsense. In short, all in business.

Despite such worldwide support, we can’t demonstrate striking successes. Negotiations on Donbass slip, the fight against corruption does not grow together, preferential trade with the EU does not add up, lustration is a cause of lawlessness.

At the same time, we are trying to fight the aggressor with all available means, including credit. What creates additional inconvenience to international financial organizations in general and the IMF in particular.

In short, due to the 3 debt situation of a billion dollars to the Russian Federation, the International Monetary Fund would have to change its internal procedures and rules, risking a conflict, in which debtors could wriggle out of guaranteed return to both other countries and to the Fund. And this directly contradicts the basic task of the IMF - to keep the balance in the global financial system. As far as possible practically, of course. Now - a few details, in relation to the message of Putin.

So, as the news agencies conveyed his words, not Moscow, but the IMF proposed to transfer payments on the debt of Ukraine to the 2016 year. In turn, the Kremlin decided to "dig" deeper.

“We were asked to postpone this payment to the next year. I said that we are ready to go for a deeper restructuring: we are ready to not receive any money this year, but to receive a billion next year, another billion in 17, and another billion in 18. ” - said the Russian president at the G20 summit.

Such a period is supposedly defined “in view of the specific working hours of the International Monetary Fund”. "We talked on this issue with Mrs. Lagarde, today" on our feet, "but nevertheless we talked with the President and the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States," Putin said, adding that the proposal was received with interest. "We have agreed with partners that in the very near future we will substantively discuss the details of our proposals," Putin concluded.

The details in question are, in fact, the willingness of Ukraine’s senior partners to vouch for their “protege”. Putin did not accidentally emphasize that Russia expects guarantees from the US, EU or international financial organizations for the restructured debt of our country. “We asked for such guarantees either from the US government, or from the European Union, or from one of the reputable international financial institutions. Noting that this issue is expected to be resolved before the beginning of December of this year. ”

For reference. Debt repayment to the Russian Federation on 3 billion dollars is coming 23 December 2015 of the year. It was on this day, but two years ago, in the midst of Maidan, Ukraine received the first tranche of a credit line for 15 billion, signed by ex-President Viktor Yanukovych as part of an agreement in December 2013. The interest rate on the Eurobonds of Ukraine issued as security for debt was 5% per annum.

As the media have repeatedly written, according to the agreement, Russia had the right to demand an early repayment of a loan of 3 billion if Ukraine’s national debt exceeds 60% of GDP. But, although the national debt amounted to 63,7% of GDP as early as August of 2014, the Russian Federation did not demand early repayment. However, she did not agree to restructuring together with other creditors.

The last time such a position was voiced a few weeks ago - at the October meeting of finance ministers in Lima. There, Natalia Yaresko called on the Russian Federation to accept the terms of the restructuring, to which the committee of creditors agreed, confirming the words of her boss, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, that there would be no other conditions. To which Finance Minister Alexander Siluanov said that 3 billion dollars belong to a sovereign loan, which cannot be restructured in a “company” with another category of debt — securities bought by private creditors.

The debt confrontation between the warring countries should theoretically turn into a lawsuit. Moreover, both the Ukrainian side and the Russian side could sue. Some would require a determination of the status of debt in court. Others are his payouts.

At the same time, one of the forms of default came almost guaranteed. It does not matter - cross-default, technical or some other. Extreme in this situation would be ... the IMF. As it has been repeatedly reported, according to the existing internal rules of the Fund, if the borrowing country refuses to fulfill its obligations on intergovernmental or international loans, including servicing the debt to the IMF, it is obliged to cease cooperation with such a country and its lending. This requirement has always been fulfilled and caused all defaults, including the loudest in Argentina.

Therefore, it was a difficult choice for the IMF - either to change the terms of crediting for everyone (and not personally for Ukraine, as some of our clever people tried to portray, - the author’s comment), or not to give us loans. And state our financial "death."

According to a carefully cultivated version of the Ukrainian side, the Foundation was inclined to the first variant of the development of events and planned to change the rules. Or at least (there was also such an option, which we threw in missions) to consider, by default, Russian debt not sovereign, but private, and continue lending, despite its non-payment, as decided by the majority of directors.

The reason for this decision, some experts called the hybrid nature of the loan. Although he signed in the framework of the official visit of Yanukovich to Moscow, he was issued according to market rules, through the placement of bonds on the Irish Stock Exchange. On the other hand, the buyback was at a rate lower than the market rate - at 5% per annum. And this is an argument for the court to recognize the debt is not commercial, but interstate.

Considering the ambiguity of legal interpretations, the Russian side, represented by Siluanov, has repeatedly stated that it can challenge both the change in lending approaches (the possibility of not including obligations to sovereign creditors), as well as the consistency of the IMF’s financing program for Ukraine.

This, in turn, turned into a new headache for the Foundation. Which was reinforced by another nuance: according to some Western experts, the IMF could change the rules, but ... only in the future. And you cannot change the conditions for a previously issued loan. Since the credit line to Ukraine was opened under the current conditions of the Fund, the changes in the rules do not apply to it. This was, in particular, said by the CEO of Smith Research & Gradings Terence Smith.

In short, it became clear to everyone that the head of the IMF Christine Lagarde in the issue with Ukraine will not envy. Moreover, the promised incentive prize in the form of the privatization of Centrenergo, allegedly close to her in spirit, by the French company Gas de France, has not yet been received.

And here the situation was ruined by Vladimir Putin. Well, as ruled ... Not so much at all, but made an offer that the IMF is unlikely to be able to refuse. Americans and Europeans (or rather, Americans) may not show enthusiasm. But Lagard is clearly a stone from the heart fell ...

Although, on the other hand, the States still decided to give us $ 1 billion of loan guarantees. If it turns out that these guarantees were useful for obtaining a delay in debt repayment, then nobody would notice this especially in the confusion of the Paris attacks and the Syrian events.

However, Ukrainian analysts admit that our own opponents of the government can notice and thus prevent the IMF from getting out of trouble. The well-known economist Alexander Okhrimenko believes that the government will be an ardent opponent of the stated concept due to political expediency. But, if the United States is told to agree on Putin’s restructuring, we will agree. But whether they say it or not depends on the negotiations of the “senior comrades”. In any case, Ukraine is left with one thing - to fulfill what is agreed upon behind our back ...
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  1. venaya
    venaya 19 November 2015 05: 30 New
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    The only craft that Ukraine has mastered in the last year to perfection is to turn into a problem for all progressive humanity. ... And then the situation was resolved by Vladimir Putin. ...

    Ukraine raises all questions to which no one had hoped to answer. The financial issue is just one of them. The country of paradoxes, and more.
    1. Andrea
      Andrea 19 November 2015 05: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: venaya
      Ukraine raises all questions to which no one had hoped to answer. The financial issue is just one of them.
      Hmm ... I didn’t hear any questions ... only requirements:give and you are dolny.
      And ultimatums are crazy.
      1. WKS
        WKS 19 November 2015 10: 18 New
        +3
        The behavior of this state resembles the behavior of a moron teenager, preoccupied with a bunch of age complexes and unclear desires.
        1. go21zd45few
          go21zd45few 19 November 2015 10: 44 New
          +2
          And what do you want if Ukraine is at the helm of real stupid people.
    2. Mahmut
      Mahmut 19 November 2015 05: 51 New
      +2
      For information. Repayment of debt to Russia by $ 3 billion begins on December 23, 2015. On this day, but three years ago, in the midst of Maidan, Ukraine received the first tranche from the credit line of 15 billion, signed by ex-president Viktor Yanukovych under the agreement in December 2013

      The information is that 2015-2013 is 3 years.
      1. andj61
        andj61 19 November 2015 08: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: Mahmut
        The information is that 2015-2013 is 3 years.

        But everyone has long known that for Ukraine 1 + 1 = 3! bully drinks
    3. trantor
      trantor 19 November 2015 05: 58 New
      +3
      No wonder they say: one can ask so many questions that a hundred wise men will not answer.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 19 November 2015 08: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: trantor
        ... a hundred wise men will not answer.

        -Before the IMF and the USA began to realize that Putin is pinching them with Ukraine. And the return of these 3 billion is proof of this. Now they are in dreams: how to get out of this without big losses.
    4. Vend
      Vend 19 November 2015 10: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: venaya
      The only craft that Ukraine has mastered in the last year to perfection is to turn into a problem for all progressive humanity. ... And then the situation was resolved by Vladimir Putin. ...

      Ukraine raises all questions to which no one had hoped to answer. The financial issue is just one of them. The country of paradoxes, and more.

      At first, I could not understand why Vladimir Vladimirovich did this. Moreover, right there it came back to us in the form of APU maneuvers on the border with Crimea. But I analyze the information from different sources I realized the following:
      1. A default would have made it possible for creditors to pull Ukraine away.
      2. The war the United States had hoped so much would happen, only an economic one.
      3. Russia would act as a strangler of Ukraine.
      4. The junta would have sighed, finally you can throw Ukraine off your shoulders.
      5. And in Ukraine would begin anarchy, such Somalia is near at hand in Russia.
      What is still hiding behind the president’s move is not yet visible. but try to see. Time works against Ukraine. Now Ukraine and ISIS began to support.
      1. trantor
        trantor 19 November 2015 15: 59 New
        +1
        This is another opportunity to put Ukraine on balance on them before 2018 ... the period of the gas transit agreement expires and SP2 begins to operate. Vladimir Vladimirovich made them a Jesuit proposal, and they can’t refuse :)
  2. Sasha75
    Sasha75 19 November 2015 05: 31 New
    35
    Well, we love not standard partners to break off.
    1. Vladimir71
      Vladimir71 19 November 2015 05: 48 New
      +4
      I’m even afraid to imagine analogues of such an invention)))
    2. horoh
      horoh 19 November 2015 06: 07 New
      +6
      A normal non-standard invention, I have something similar in the garage.
  3. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 19 November 2015 05: 37 New
    +3
    Putin put Lagard in a comfortable position.
    here Punin is a real gentleman.
    And then Christine Lagarde was ready for the sake of a gray-haired black woman to dance a belly dance. laughing Well, it’s necessary to humiliate the lady laughing
  4. Name
    Name 19 November 2015 05: 41 New
    +7
    Greetings to all! In general, the GDP put the IMF in a convenient for Russia pose(let's don’t have equivalents) crustaceans, but ... tongue See what a look ... repeat
    1. meriem1
      meriem1 19 November 2015 05: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: name
      Greetings to all! In general, the GDP put the IMF in a convenient for Russia pose(let's don’t have equivalents) crustaceans, but ... tongue See what a look ... repeat



      Sight? He is Thoughtfully Invocative ....
    2. sa-zz
      sa-zz 19 November 2015 05: 59 New
      +2
      See what a look ...

      A glass of blood of babies dashed, ec it rushing something.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 19 November 2015 07: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: sa-zz
        A glass of blood of babies rolled, ek it rushing something

        Sternly said! good
  5. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 19 November 2015 05: 42 New
    +3
    Something some kind of photo - with a hint! But Christine, in my opinion, is surprised and delighted! laughing
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 19 November 2015 10: 13 New
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      But Christine, in my opinion, is surprised and delighted!

      Oh yes! And the gratitude of the Western "colleagues" for their support from Russia in difficult times will be, as always, immense.
    2. askort154
      askort154 19 November 2015 10: 15 New
      +2
      VNP1958PVN .... Something photo is somehow - with a hint! But Christine, in my opinion, is surprised and delighted! [


      Nah! Do not overpower so much vodka. lol
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 19 November 2015 05: 46 New
    +4
    Well done GDP, coolly hooked everyone on a strong hook, now they just won’t pull anywhere, but all by Feng Shui ...
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 19 November 2015 09: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      Well done GDP, coolly hooked everyone on a strong hook, now they just won’t pull anywhere, but all by Feng Shui ...

      Dear colleague, where do you see the "hook"? In the article already mentioned, I commented on the incident, not without sarcasm, and now I cannot do without irony. I am deeply convinced that no one will give us any guarantees. For there are only three possible guarantors, these are the IMF, the US and the EU, for all three the sum of 3 billion is far from critical, but everyone understands that by doing so they will put themselves in an idiotic position. Therefore, only a judicial decision can be expected. And it will not be in our favor, because there is no "international financial code" in nature, and the proceedings are carried out on the basis of case law, the court decision on the Ukrainian debt to Russia will be reduced to the definition of the debt status, which will be determined by the IMF board of directors. The share of Russia, together with all possible allies, will not reach the decision we need (we need at least 85% of the votes), so after a couple of years of litigation we will return to the restructuring of commercial debt, by that time already "divided and completely plundered" of Ukraine ... And recognizing the debt as "commercial" is an absolutely painless and optimal way out for all "guarantors". Where is the hook, colleague? hi
      1. avt
        avt 19 November 2015 09: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        In my deep conviction, no one will give guarantees to us.

        Already not given
        Quote: avt
        “As we have already said, we expect that the Russian and Ukrainian authorities will hold direct negotiations on this issue,” the representative said, RIA Novosti reports.
        So GDP at least has achieved what you are talking about
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        . For there are only three possible guarantors, these are the IMF, the USA and the EU, for all three the sum of 3 billion is far from critical, but everyone understands that they will put themselves in an idiotic position.

        That is, the prisoners said in plain text - we WILL NOT pay for the Ruin laughing That is, THROW!
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        thus, after a couple of years of litigation, we will return to the restructuring of commercial debt

        We will not return - a debt of 3 yards is not commercial — SOVEREIGNANT, it’s cunning ... they don’t ask for ukra returned with their fur inside — they demand that God God recognize it as commercial. And sovereign debt is primarily a political lever. I want to execute, I want - dear. I want - I write off for political behavior, I do not like it - default.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 19 November 2015 10: 20 New
          -1
          Quote: avt
          require god Ukraine to recognize it as commercial. And sovereign debt is primarily a political lever.

          O Lord, for a penny fish! The Ukrainian side insists that the debt is commercial, the Russian side insists that it is sovereign. Only an international court can put an end to this dispute. “Who are the judges?” That's it. And who thinks his (debt) what is not important.
          1. avt
            avt 19 November 2015 10: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: revnagan
            ! The Ukrainian side insists that debt is commercial

            laughing They can insist peppers on a vodka and suck in through the carpel sho tse and bulo, but how Yaytsenyukh threaten sho Russia will not get any interest if it does not agree to the conditions of the Ruins and regularly pay them in accordance with the payment schedule that they have already done.
            Quote: revnagan
            The point in this dispute can only be put by an international court.

            He does not have the right to consider this at all, his case makes a decision to seize the property of the STATE OF UKRAINE in repayment of the STATE debt. And all-eh! The rest is the artistic whistle of the Kiev circus clowns in power and goodwill, or the political interest of the GDP.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 19 November 2015 18: 27 New
              0
              Quote: avt
              He has no right to consider this at all.

              And who will forbid him (the court)? Whether Ukraine or Russia files a lawsuit is not important. If there is a lawsuit, it will be considered. This has already happened, right? How fair and impartial this court is, the Yukos case has shown. or not. This is an objective reality. Have you already decided what decision, when and how this very court should make? Well, well. It's just doubtful that this very court (if it will take place at all) will listen to your opinion and accept yours point of view. Or I don’t know something? We can, you have everything "matched" there laughing ? If not, then your opinion turns into "Wishlist". But you never know who wants something. I also wanted Potroshenko not to be recognized as the PRES of Ukraine. So that the whole gang - Arseny-Plants' watering can hung on Khreshchatyk on lanterns. And what? The state of affairs needs to be assessed REALNO. But why does Russia not want to knock down the favor and thereby "lower" the junta, declassing it in the eyes of citizens and the world community. Or cannot it?
              1. avt
                avt 19 November 2015 18: 54 New
                0
                Quote: revnagan
                Whether Ukraine or Russia will sue is not important.

                Again important. Since the claim will be filed for non-payment by those who made a guarantee on the Irish stock exchange. If I am not mistaken - the British. So the trick is that first the Angles - the guarantors must pay the money to Russia, and then the same Angles must demand from Ukraine three yards in court. So much for the negotiations with Kemeron and Lagarde and the current cries of the Fitch agency, a de duty, not sovereign, but commercial. laughing So that the GDP has correctly calculated and voiced everything - do not want the default of Ukraine? Write a check for grandcards. You do not want ? We will wait three years, but give the derivative a guarantee, under which the GDP will now cut the same 3 yards. Do not want to? What actually they have already stated, well, the default is on your European conscience, although they will all howl that Russia and Putin personally are guilty, but he will definitely be mocking at the tricky fur-wrapped inlaws and their owners.
      2. 15ghost10
        15ghost10 19 November 2015 10: 29 New
        +3
        I think the court will not reach. Poroshenko will continue the war in the Donbas and will not return the debt for these reasons. December 7, Biden arrives in Kiev, from the New Year 7 a wave of mobilization, and the admission of foreign troops to Ukraine. Then decide for yourself what will happen.
        And the IMF said today that Ukraine and Russia themselves should agree on a debt.
        1. avt
          avt 19 November 2015 10: 54 New
          0
          Quote: 15ghost10
          December 7, Biden arrives in Kiev,

          Yes . Biden is serious. request Here you are absolutely right. Here, Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk calomoys will only be taken under the peak and will be executed, and the ambassador will follow.
          Quote: 15ghost10
          , from the New Year 7 a wave of mobilization, and the admission of foreign troops to Ukraine.

          And this is a symptom specifically for the war, and they are preparing such a reservation in the West, under the protection of regular troops already there.
          Quote: 15ghost10
          And the IMF said today that Ukraine and Russia themselves should agree on a debt.

          By the way, in addition to the fact that they will not really pay for Ukraine, this is also a fact in the piggy bank of what they are preparing for war - to skin Ukraine and the IMF through Ukraine to holders of Ukraine's commercial debt - the Templestones' Rothschild campaign becomes not profitable, but the most optimal write-off of everything and everything in their understanding has always been and is war. P.S. And here is another bell that Ukraine is being written off from the EU into the "territory of darkness"
          The European Commission has recognized as priority the projects of three gas pipelines, which were previously considered as possible extensions of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline for the delivery of gas from Southeast to Central Europe.

          The list of priority European infrastructure projects (projects of common interest (PCI)) approved by the European Commission included three gas pipelines from Southeast to Central Europe, whose projects were previously considered as possible extensions of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline. The document is published on the website of the European Union (.pdf, paragraph 6.25).
          moreover, quite concretely and promptly, without bureaucratic delays and "environmental expertise".
          1. 15ghost10
            15ghost10 19 November 2015 12: 28 New
            +2
            I had such thoughts about gas pipelines. So the gas pipeline in Ukraine during the ATO will be destroyed. That is why I think so.
            1. Yesterday there was information that the US wants to enter the European market with its liquefied gas. It means to destroy the competitor. Under the noise of the ATO, as always, "quilted jackets" will self-detonate the gas pipeline.
            2. Since Ukraine has nothing to pay for Russian gas, the destruction of the gas pipeline is beneficial for Ukraine itself, since interruptions or even the absence of gas, and therefore the breakdown of the heating season, can be attributed to the same reason as in paragraph 1.
            The resumption of the ATO is beneficial both to Americans and Ukraine with any variations.
            1. avt
              avt 19 November 2015 14: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: 15ghost10
              The resumption of the ATO is beneficial both to Americans and Ukraine with any variations.

              Correct - Kiev usovskih puppets, Bene and Co. - write off everything to the war and leave with the money. And to disentangle everything will remain the population remaining on the earth in ruin.
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 19 November 2015 10: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        Where is the hook, colleague?


        Well, he took and spoiled the whole mood ...

        But in general, you are right ...

        THESE will not agree to a "guarantee", but will try to reduce this debt to a commercial one by judicial procedure ...

        However, the sacramental and primordially Russian question immediately arises: "What to do?" ...

        PS Who will give guarantees to the stoned beggar, with a smile of a blessed one going forward, to prosperity and a geyropeisky future ???
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 19 November 2015 18: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: veksha50
          THESE will not agree to a "guarantee", but will try to reduce this debt to a commercial one by judicial procedure ...

          Well, it's nice to hear a person living not in an alternative reality.
  7. Sirocco
    Sirocco 19 November 2015 05: 46 New
    +7
    I don’t know how it is with Lagarde, how it is with Ukraine, and their cunning feelings, and dancing with torsion backwards, it seems like they were spinning, as in a joke.
    Vasily Ivanovich went to the field of great need and after some
    time howl:
    - Petka !, Petka!
    - Che, Vasily Ivanovich?
    - Yes, someone is holding me ... tsa!
    Petka runs up to Vasily Ivanovich and after seeing what the matter is shouting at him:
    - Vasily Ivanovich, Christmas trees ... you would have stepped on your ears !!!

    Well, something like this, it turns out lol
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  8. SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 19 November 2015 05: 47 New
    +4
    How often suspiciously, in the dynamics of events, our "partners" of Western and North American origin, building a complex and cunning system of relationships to their own advantage, it turns out that they outwitted themselves.
    A personnel crisis of management and leadership, or what? Foresight and historical experience overshadowed dreams of profits and income on blood?
    Already written by them, the most capitalist rules, have to change and take situational decisions online!
    What the hell is planning! Leave without loss, although there are already reputations.
    Soon all over the world, the word "Ukraine" and its derivatives, will become a NARRATIVE name.

    Our sworn "partners" are probably already very sorry that they have invaded the sphere of Russia's national interests.
    But revenge (in our case, retaliation) is inevitable. Remember, in what form should this dish be served? Only in cold-prudent!
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 19 November 2015 07: 02 New
      0
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      Soon all over the world, the word "Ukraine" and its derivatives, will become a NARRATIVE name.

      ... much like the 19th century Panama.
  9. Igor39
    Igor39 19 November 2015 05: 49 New
    +5
    No, I liked the posts after the first news about the debt restructuring, the panic was on the site, Putin leaked everything, read and thought, could it really be that men could panic and yell.
    1. FiremamRescueS
      FiremamRescueS 19 November 2015 07: 27 New
      +3
      Here, here))) the panic was just a nightmare)))) for the assumption that, in addition to guarantees from the West, the GDP has achieved something else, and there are some drawbacks. It seems that the people completely stopped thinking. Whoever sits in our government and whatever they do, but you need to understand that in this case the real losses of the team and acquisitions in politics are incomparable. Nobody would have done such a thing if there were no ace in the sleeve.
      1. I read the news
        I read the news 19 November 2015 12: 39 New
        -1
        Mostly the attackers sowed panic. Pull up accounts with the latest messages from the beginning of the 14th year. And a bunch of new, unexplored users.
  10. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 19 November 2015 05: 52 New
    +4
    The choice between Ukraine's default and 3 billion, albeit with installments, but under the guarantees of Europe and the United States, was made in favor of money. The ball is on the territory of the "partners". Now it's their turn to choose between money and Ukraine.
    1. avt
      avt 19 November 2015 09: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail M
      The choice between the default of Ukraine and 3 billion, albeit by installments, but under the guarantees of Europe and the USA, was made in favor of money.

      Not only . Credit is a political tool. The question is how to use it? GDP decided that
      Quote: FiremamRescueS
      acquisitions in politics

      in the case when on the issue of default in winter it is better when
      Quote: Mikhail M
      The ball is on the territory of the "partners". Now it's their turn to make a choice between money and Ukraine.

      But provided that partners from the EU guarantee a refund of their own obligations, not insurance on the exchange, but rather specific guarantees that can now be put into operation of the financial system. Normal is not a one-step step, the main thing is not to overplay. P.S. Well, here and the answer, moreover, to Ruin for the paramogue, was sent by European friends
      “At a recent meeting between President (RF Vladimir) Putin and Managing Director (IMF Kristin Lagarde), Russian authorities voiced a proposal regarding the debt burden and financial situation in Ukraine in the context of the fund’s program,” the IMF said.



      “As we have already said, we expect that the Russian and Ukrainian authorities will hold direct negotiations on this issue,” the representative said, RIA Novosti reports.
      That is, translated from the "universal" European language - fuck you ukram, not money. laughing
  11. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 19 November 2015 05: 53 New
    +2
    A kind and experienced GDP knows how grandmother will be comfortable.
    1. meriem1
      meriem1 19 November 2015 06: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      A kind and experienced GDP knows how grandmother will be comfortable.


      The Old Indian is a wise Indian!
  12. sa-zz
    sa-zz 19 November 2015 05: 54 New
    +3
    if the US says agree to Putin’s restructuring, we’ll agree


    Who would doubt that.
    I communicate by mail with a colleague living in Ukraine, and this is about the mood that prevails, as in the quote (not for everyone, but for many). I ask, but was it worth it? I haven’t received an answer yet - it can pick up the expression softer, and maybe I got drunk and forgot (I don’t support it).
  13. viktor561
    viktor561 19 November 2015 05: 57 New
    +2
    "In any case, Ukraine has one thing to do - to fulfill what they agree on behind our back ..."
    And this applies to everything that happens in Ukraine - "independence" - it is such what
  14. cap
    cap 19 November 2015 06: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN (1) SU Today, 05:42 AM New

    Something photo then some kind - with a hint! But Christine in my opinion is surprised and glad! laughing

    The situation is really "Inconvenient" laughing
    Hindus in the IMF included as members?
    Or also in the non-aligned mansion are leading politics.
    I wonder what their position on this issue is. requestto the sovereign debt of independent Ukraine.
    The "rabbit" with the "patch" brought the country to a shameful trial. Now the partners are forcing their position to change.
    The cartoon comes to mind "Where are we going with a piglet ...." laughing
  15. Gani
    Gani 19 November 2015 06: 03 New
    +2
    This is SAMBO-JUDO performed by the president and the KO, not having enough weight to butt on the forehead - we use the enemy’s strength and energy. We rest as much as we can to the last, and then - a jerk on ourselves with a squat and a turn of 150 degrees. Well, the sparing partner is still so accustomed to his size and power, and to the fact that everything in front of him lies on his shoulder blades, he thinks that the technique is brute enough. It’s bad that sooner or later it will reach them that you need to connect your head and it’s bad that the judges in this competition are bought and on the moan of a thug a bunch of any jackal, cat. cannot hit, so at least pinch or spit ...
    1. Gani
      Gani 19 November 2015 07: 24 New
      +1
      I would like to see the arguments against this comment from the one who "-" put it, the cons were always more interesting to me, especially if they were reasoned.

      continuing the comment (just writing from the phone): if you continue to use the analogy, it turns out that you need to continue to pump muscles (army and navy) and hone technology (foreign policy), but at the same time, I apologize, you have to eat whatever you get (I'm talking about the economy ) - all proteins, recipes, steroids - produced by a sparring partner (and what does he push there?), and from this it is diarrhea, then colic (how to pump muscles while doing this, you can overstrain). It's good that at least they got rid of the chief chef and assistants (the IMF and all the Soros) in due time, but our local chefs :) (the economic block) don't want to invent their recipes and products, or they can't, but everyone uses the old ones ... some believe that this is because they dream of praise from previous cooks (medals for our Central Bankers are also an indicator). Yes, and parasites (stuck to the "pipe with money) would not hurt to etch.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 19 November 2015 11: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Gani
        (medals for our CBshnikov-also an indicator)


        Hmm ... That's somehow out of place, and no ... But by the way, it concerns the public debt and savings ...

        "The five largest holders of US Treasuries were selling their papers.
        According to the Ministry of Finance, China withdrew $ 12,5 billion from US debt, Japan - $ 19,9 billion, Caribbean offshore - $ 7,2 billion, OPEC - $ 1,9 billion, Brazil - $ 3,7 billion ( 45,2 billion dollars in total).
        Russian investments fell slightly - by 0,8 billion dollars, to 89,1 billion dollars. In August and July, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation conducted a record purchase of US securities for 7 years, investing $ 21,4 billion in them.
        In September, the United Kingdom ($ 8,9 billion) and India ($ 2,1 billion) joined the sellers of securities.
        The BRICS countries have withdrawn $ 18,9 billion from the US debt "....

        Information - yesterday, evening ...

        Source: http://finobzor.ru/show-750-pyat-krupneyshih-kreditorov-ssha-potrebovali-nazad-s
        voi-dengi.html

        Some kind of strange war with the Western financial system is being waged ...

        There is much more Russian money in Amer's paper wrappers, government bonds, than the debt of Ukraine to Russia ... It seems to me that THIS is another lever that can at least partially control Russia ...

        But it is, thinking aloud while sitting in the kitchen ...
  16. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 19 November 2015 06: 04 New
    0
    This will lead to the fact that soon they will start to be afraid of everything))) Ah, Putin! From all can benefit)))
  17. AID.S
    AID.S 19 November 2015 06: 04 New
    +4
    The fact that they would not pay, many here have assumed for a long time, some, perhaps, "three years" ago. It remains for us to find out under what sauce this dish will be served.
  18. staryivoin
    staryivoin 19 November 2015 06: 12 New
    +1
    The fate of Ukraine lately, and so “depends on the negotiations of the“ senior comrades. ”And it will have to bend over to the results of these negotiations, and not to what Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk or Yaresko will come up with ...
  19. SAM 5
    SAM 5 19 November 2015 06: 14 New
    0
    Hohland is becoming an increasing headache for both Europe and the United States.
  20. Sasha75
    Sasha75 19 November 2015 06: 34 New
    11
    ))))))))))))))))))))
  21. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 November 2015 06: 49 New
    +1
    In any case, Ukraine has only one thing left - to fulfill what they agree on behind us ...

    This is how Ukraine lives, so that its leaders do not speak there in their own and international offices. Verbal diarrhea, which is trying to show independence and a significant role in the international arena.
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 November 2015 06: 56 New
    +5
    Now let's see who "Dill's best friend" is. In line, in line - guarantors. Subscribe for the Square. And don't forget to pay.
  23. igorra
    igorra 19 November 2015 06: 57 New
    +6
    igorra RU November 17, 2015 16:59 | There is no need to shout. On the issue of debt restructuring in Ukraine
    What srach, however, climbed into the VO. All these sick slogans, give money to the people already tired. Have you tried to work? Shouting all the heroes from the couch, and go weak and pass the official for theft? Everyone sees the mansions, expensive cars and silence, but here on the Internet everyone is brave, they would sit and be silent in a rag or for fun try to pick up some old debt from a friend, neighbor, and not necessarily money. Regarding the fare, someone suggest a better solution and then hite the existing one, otherwise we won’t pay a point, but how else? More and more disappointed in the comments on VO, sensible condemn, but uriapatriotic praise. I missed the survey, maybe we need to set a limit on cap-and-share and hanging-slogan slogans, maybe it's time to grow up.

    for this last article, we who tried to explain to the couch ryapatriots what were set forth in this article were cons, but the right article came out and these softer weathercocks turned 180 degrees and put pluses together, and we’ll get to the likes of VO or already got it. I want to leave comments less and less, some kind of battle of pluses, not a real assessment of your judgment, but on the other hand it is useful to see how many sneaks we have.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2015 07: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: igorra
      who tried to explain to the couch ryapatriots that what was stated in this article posed minuses, but the right article came out and these softer weathercocks turned 180 degrees and put pluses together

      True, yes, then why is it not joy that Putin merged? You and your kind already danced with joy that this is proof that he does not care about the people. We give billions of Ukrainians, but nothing to your people.
      And here are two options.
      Either you are not a smart person, or Putin is smarter than you.
    2. Senior manager
      Senior manager 19 November 2015 07: 50 New
      +2
      Quite a lot of comrades read komenty without getting into the subject, and what can be answered by stupid and boorish commenting. They are artists, they see so, such is their level. Unfortunately, the administration also visited such an idea, the situation is unlikely to be fixed.
  24. Dmitry_24rus
    Dmitry_24rus 19 November 2015 07: 03 New
    0
    NEWS HAS ALREADY PASSED that the IMF washed its hands and suggested that Russia itself negotiate debt restructuring with its Ukrainian "partners". So there is no need to break spears and celebrate another "victory", just like a censor. I'm ready to argue.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2015 07: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Dmitry_24rus
      THE NEWS HAS ALREADY PASSED THAT IMF washed its hands and suggested that Russia itself negotiate debt restructuring with Ukrainian "partners"

      About how the IMF merged, and how so. This same Putin merged, this can not be ahahahah wassat
      1. Dmitry_24rus
        Dmitry_24rus 19 November 2015 08: 15 New
        +3
        No need to juggle. You, such an impression, simplify, sitting on a run-in ridge - Putin has leaked or not leaked .. The topic that you can always twirl in a convenient way for yourself, do not simplify, Alexander.
  25. V.ic
    V.ic 19 November 2015 07: 07 New
    0
    In any case, Ukraine has only one thing left - to fulfill what they agree on behind us ... By Egor Smirnov

    You yourself have signed up for it, now take off your underpants, relax and try to have fun with the satisfaction of the Georope.
  26. Slavyanin
    Slavyanin 19 November 2015 07: 31 New
    0
    Ukraine has always loved to get everything for free! You can say - "A trick of national politics."
    Since there is no strength to call for common sense, there is only one thing left, to decide for it and oblige to fulfill.
    The Kiev authorities, well carry out orders from above. Seeing used to be from below.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 19 November 2015 11: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Slavyanin
      one thing remains, decide for it and oblige to fulfill.


      Um ... And how to do it ???

      With his proposal, Putin managed to immediately, within 3 days, show Ukraine the circle of its "friends" ...
      But Ukraine did not see this (because it does not want to see it), the "friends" do not want to vouch for it, so what remains ???

      If you refused the IMF guarantees, then no one else will go to the guarantors ...
  27. slizhov
    slizhov 19 November 2015 07: 40 New
    0
    And Senya demands that all his torments be written off!
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 November 2015 07: 44 New
    0
    I feel that it would be cheaper for the EU and America to buy this debt for three lard from us.
    Well, what about Ukraine ... but who needs it, that Ukraine?
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 19 November 2015 11: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      but who needs it, that Ukraine?



      Unfortunately and surprisingly, Russia ... We do not need either Somalia at hand, or some fifty US staff ...
  29. solovey
    solovey 19 November 2015 08: 40 New
    0
    interesting intrigue - the IMF cannot be refused - then it will become clear that they are throwing us. request
  30. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 19 November 2015 08: 54 New
    0
    And I feel that it’s not cheaper.
    It is felt that mattressoids with gayroptsy are already ripening to a bad scenario - so don’t get anyone, the former Russian suburbs!.
    And here various killing options are possible.
  31. Stinger
    Stinger 19 November 2015 08: 59 New
    0
    Maybe it is. But, in my opinion, it would be better to leave Ms. Lagarde in position - to get a penny through the little bench. So convenient.
  32. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 19 November 2015 09: 03 New
    +3
    not mine, but on the topic
    PS They will give guarantees - good. What if they don’t? But how then, after an inevitable default, continue to allocate money to Ukraine? But inevitably they will be allocated. The abyss of the Kiev regime will not be allowed. But one cannot agree to Putin’s proposals. Not only does he offer to transfer debt from Ukrainian to American securities, he actually offers the Americans to guarantee all 18,5 billion dollars of restructured Ukrainian debts, because there is a clause in the text of the agreement on restructuring debts to private creditors by Kiev that none of the lenders has the right to get better conditions than everyone else. If one of the lenders receives better conditions for restructuring than all the others, then all the others will automatically have the right to receive similar preferences. That is, American guarantees. Moreover, with repayment not from 2019 to 2025, but from 2016 to 2018, as well as the debt of Russia.

    A kind of Trojan horse. This is essentially a trap. For the Americans. Agree - take on an additional financial burden of 21,5 billion, do not agree - Ukraine gets defaulted by the New Year, and the Americans find it difficult to solve the problem of amending the IMF charter, allowing it to continue financing the bankrupt state. A kind of counter-sanction, asymmetric, if you want an answer
  33. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 19 November 2015 09: 05 New
    0
    Meanwhile, Fitch raised Ukraine's rating to CCC with a positive outlook, and just a week ago this agency downgraded Ukraine's rating from C to D-pre-default with a negative outlook ... Such a jump in the rating is caused by just "settling" the debt with Russia.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 19 November 2015 11: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Such a jump in the rating is caused by


      In this case, the main role in the rating is played not by the real economy, but by pure ... ugh, muddy water lascivious policy ...
  34. marinier
    marinier 19 November 2015 09: 57 New
    +1
    Good time of the day!
    In my opinion, Russia has once again proved 4to work with her brazenly and tediously.
    It is possible to understand the discontent of some Forum4an. But this is a solution to the prospect.
    4that they would shut up those who give and hang on, 4th Russia is not kravozadna
    makes concessions. Today, in the small, Russia lost to shazo4ek. Tomorrow pryzkom
    cheetah, forward Russia will conquer everything. Understand dear, tact 4eskaya concession in
    small, tomorrow, with a competent solution to problems, it will lead to a strategic victory.
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    2. Dmsms
      Dmsms 19 November 2015 10: 49 New
      0
      Finally a good idea! + from me.
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 19 November 2015 18: 37 New
      0
      Quote: marinier
      Tactics of a small concession, tomorrow with a competent solution of problems will lead to a strategic victory.

      This is only if the enemy did not understand the maneuver with a tactical concession. Unfortunately, the opponents of Russia are far from fools, and the rules are not written for them. But can Russia impose such a game on opponents when they find themselves in a zugzwang question.
  35. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 19 November 2015 10: 03 New
    +1
    In any case, Ukraine has only one thing left - to fulfill what they agree on behind us ...

    In any case, Usraine only needs the wind to blow ... and wait for the "elders" to talk ... hi
  36. 15ghost10
    15ghost10 19 November 2015 10: 37 New
    +1
    Here is a way out for the USA EUROPAMWF. Poroshenko will continue the war in the Donbas and will not return the debt for these reasons. December 7, Biden arrives in Kiev, from the New Year 7 a wave of mobilization, and the admission of foreign troops to Ukraine. Then decide for yourself what will happen.
    And the IMF said today that Ukraine and Russia themselves should agree on a debt.
  37. igorra
    igorra 19 November 2015 10: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: igorra
    who tried to explain to the couch ryapatriots that what was stated in this article posed minuses, but the right article came out and these softer weathercocks turned 180 degrees and put pluses together

    True, yes, then why is it not joy that Putin merged? You and your kind already danced with joy that this is proof that he does not care about the people. We give billions of Ukrainians, but nothing to your people.
    And here are two options.
    Either you are not a smart person, or Putin is smarter than you.

    With all due respect, are you from a kindergarten or wearing pink glasses when the state helped or gave something to ordinary people? Smart people rely on themselves and try not to deal with the state. And about who is smarter - for each sage there is a certain elder and measure, once again I repeat, as in a kindergarten, who are not smarter than I am, I'm sorry I left that age.
  38. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 19 November 2015 11: 00 New
    +2
    Enough already to tell tales about wise deeds in the economy and victory. With Ukraine, everything became clear when, and fed and given. But the last loan is 15 (3) at any gate.
    Look around, the government is rapidly eating up fat. Well, and who built such an economy, what are we waiting for an increase in oil prices, like manna from heaven. Maybe you still need to change the model of the economy, but they’ll go to the West (for money) and say that it’s a victory of common sense. A bunch of Internet turns will connect, screaming is great.
    Here read the article how the structures of Rothschild climb into Russia. They make investments with one hand, in fact, telecoms are buying, with the other hand they are acting against us in BV. They also come up with gays and lesbians and other Satanism, so that the West makes a hara-kiri for itself.
    Damn, we need such an investment to buy. If you want a connection, create another company-operator 4 of ours, 1 of yours. The plants are in operation, and buying up the shares of existing enterprises is dangerous for us. It is necessary to completely eliminate the share capital so that enterprises pass through the filters, not sell, to whom not getting.
    The Rothschilds attack Russia
    http://ss69100.livejournal.com/2517255.html
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  39. roskot
    roskot 19 November 2015 11: 29 New
    +2
    Dill will not give money. Even if she had them. ICF refused to be a guarantor. And about the states and say nothing. So all the fuss is a good mine with a bad game.
  40. marna
    marna 19 November 2015 13: 08 New
    +1
    "Moscow and Kiev should hold direct talks on Russia's proposals to restructure the Ukrainian debt of $ 3 billion. This, according to Reuters, said in the International Monetary Fund (IMF)."

    All merged, which, however, was to be expected. No guarantees, so they believe in an independent one. Jumping on the Maidan did not help. Science for the future when you want to jump.