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The President of Russia announced a decision on the restructuring of Ukrainian debt

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Today, from the middle of the day, news agencies of the Russian Federation began to publish statements on behalf of Finance Minister Anton Siluanov that Russia is preparing for Ukraine some kind of "interesting offer" about the 3 billionth debt. In the late afternoon, Russian President Vladimir Putin shed light on the essence of the “interesting proposal”. TASS publishes material in which it is said that Putin declared Russia’s readiness to restructure Ukrainian debt.


It is reported that before the end of the year Russia will not demand repayment of 3 billions of US dollars from Ukraine, and all payments should fall on the period from 2016 to 2018 a year. At the same time, Vladimir Putin noted that for a long time Russia had been persuading the International Monetary Fund to go down the path of restructuring Ukrainian debt, and Moscow “decided to share the risks with the IMF.”

Information Agency TASS quoted the Russian president:
We made, in my opinion, an unexpected offer to our partners. We did not just agree to restructure the Ukrainian debt, but we offered better conditions than requested from the International Monetary Fund. We were asked to postpone payment to the next year in the amount of 3 billion dollars. I said that we are ready for a deeper restructuring. We are ready to not receive any money at all this year, and to receive a billion next year, another billion in 2017, and another billion in 2018.


The President of Russia announced a decision on the restructuring of Ukrainian debt


I wonder if the state is ready, in the person of, for example, Gazprom, “not to receive any money” from the Russians, who declare that they don’t want to pay their bills this year, but they want to postpone all payments for two, two, three ...

I would like to hope that the decision of the federal authorities was not taken as the next unanswered gesture of goodwill, but had a fully balanced and reflecting the interests of Russian citizens platform.
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  1. Angro Magno
    Angro Magno 16 November 2015 18: 08
    199
    And how much squealing was! Bankrupt, arrange a default! No concessions! They sold the collectors, and those from the outskirts will lower the last skin!
    Our jackal feathers in licking surpassed their Ukrainian counterparts.
    To my people would be so kind. If the money is extra, then I will find where to use it for the benefit of the population.
    Now the IMF pats on the shoulder patronizingly.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 16 November 2015 18: 10
      20
      "...- Madam, hussars do not take money!" laughing
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 16 November 2015 18: 15
        131
        I told you, our people give up!

        November 12, 2015 10:31 | Washington hopes Moscow will reconsider its decision on Ukrainian debt
        But something seems to me that, as usual, our people are being kicked until the last moment, such as showing the people of Russia that we are tough, and then pretexts, excuses (like we are not enemies, we are interconnected, if we don’t help, then blah, blah, blah) for discounts! As for gas!
        And so, of course, I would very much like us to say to these "non-brothers" - Pay, you sinister, for everything! Honestly!


        And so, today -
        Putin
        We not only agreed to restructure the Ukrainian debt, but we offered better conditions than the International Monetary Fund requested from us. We were asked to postpone payment of $ 3 billion next year. I said that we are ready for a deeper restructuring. We’re ready to not get any money at all this year,


        Well, until we forgive the Nazis? AND! What gates can such humiliations and abuses get into? Citizens of Russia, which increase housing and communal services tariffs, taxes, prices !!! What the hell ........... ????
        1. Angro Magno
          Angro Magno 16 November 2015 18: 20
          90
          I did not speak, but quietly was afraid of it. It turns out, not in vain afraid. I sensed.
          It remains to congratulate the pupils from the present, but not fictional Peremoga. Yaytsenyuk did Putin, as promised.
          Interestingly, what will the witnesses of the BSP now?
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            1. 34 region
              34 region 16 November 2015 18: 50
              -3
              This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.
              1. Hon
                Hon 16 November 2015 18: 55
                51
                Quote: Region 34
                This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

                and this move is another gas discount
                1. Am
                  Am 16 November 2015 19: 34
                  37
                  Do not worry, they will collect from their own.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 16 November 2015 21: 25
                    15
                    Quote: Soy
                    Do not worry, they will collect from their own.

                    A new bill was introduced to the State Duma. Its essence is this: to increase from January 2016 tax rates on personal income. The size of the bet, according to information, should grow from 13 to 16%. .
                    1. just exp
                      just exp 16 November 2015 21: 58
                      +7
                      here a man hinted to me that in addition to emotions, one must also have brains
                      ANTALYA, November 16th. / TASS /. Russia, after the proposal to restructure the Ukrainian debt, still expects to receive a coupon payment of $ 75 million from Ukraine in December 2015, Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak told reporters.
                      SEE ALSO
                      The Ministry of Finance of Ukraine said that it did not receive proposals from the Russian Federation on debt restructuring

                      Media: IMF calls the proposal of the Russian Federation on Ukraine’s debt a positive step
                      Credit history of the Russian Federation for Ukraine. Dossier
                      "We assume that the coupon will be paid in December," he said.
                      According to him, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and lenders of Ukraine should respond to the proposal of the Russian Federation on the restructuring of Ukrainian debt by December 8, 2015.
                      "Vladimir Vladimirovich (Putin) has designated a temporary pause until December 8. They must react," Storchak said, answering a question from journalists about when the IMF should give its answer to the Russian-proposed plan for restructuring Ukrainian debt.
                      According to him, the situation related to these obligations of Ukraine to Russia is multifaceted and is being discussed with the IMF and its main shareholders. "But, of course, at some point the interests of specifically Ukraine will be taken into account. But for now, the startup is what it is. This issue takes time to study," Storchak added.
                    2. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 17 November 2015 01: 33
                      +9
                      Quote: RUSS
                      The size of the bet, according to information, should grow from 13 to 16%. ...

                      Ride, peaceful people!
                      You will not be awakened by the call.
                      Why herds of gifts of freedom?
                      They should be cut or cut.
                      Their inheritance from generation to generation
                      Yarmo with rattles and scourge.

                      A.S. Pushkin.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 17 November 2015 03: 58
                        +7
                        From the text of the article
                        For a long time, Russia was persuaded by the International Monetary Fund to go along the path of restructuring Ukrainian debt, and Moscow "decided to share the risks with the IMF."
                        The IMF is, consider, the office of the United States. And our Minister of Finance A. Siluanov (the successor of the Kudrin’s case, who after retirement happily lives in the USA) is a convinced freedman marketer, i.e. also an ordinary pro-Americanist.
                        Here they are with the restructuring of the Ukrainian debt of Russia to the Russians and "inherited"! Well, at the same time, "by itself," THEY "CONVINCED" Putin fellow - And GDP, of course, has nothing to do with it! crying
                        However, the fact is that the US financial oligarchy, in defending its interests, is precisely THIS RIPPING off money from the Russians to CONTINUE funding of the WAR of Ukraine with Russia!
                      2. Mahmut
                        Mahmut 17 November 2015 05: 40
                        +1
                        I wonder if the state is ready, in the person of, for example, Gazprom, “not to receive any money” from the Russians, who declare that they don’t want to pay their bills this year, but they want to postpone all payments for two, two, three ...

                        So you still have to pay, and not only the main debt, but also the interest for an overdue year, two, three. Debt service has not been canceled, and with a black sheep there is at least a tuft of wool. In addition, the debts of the population to Gazprom are commercial debts. And the Ukrainian debt is state.
                      3. Private Starley
                        Private Starley 17 November 2015 06: 24
                        +3
                        And the IMF will probably act as a guarantor for Ukraine, if that, will pay for them or instead ... request
                      4. CONTROL
                        CONTROL 17 November 2015 07: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Private Starley
                        And the IMF will probably act as a guarantor for Ukraine, if that, will pay for them or instead ... request

                        ... but this is highly desirable!
                        What is restructuring? like this? Will they pay by barter? in kind ... Debts will be "covered" with dung - all three billion! bury? ...
                  2. Aikusun
                    Aikusun 17 November 2015 21: 18
                    0
                    Comments on VO turned into nonsense. No one heard what the GDP said about the readiness to restructure debt with guarantees from one of the Western countries, either the United States or another financial institution. So do not have hysteria.
              2. CONTROL
                CONTROL 17 November 2015 07: 05
                0
                Quote: RUSS
                A new bill was introduced to the State Duma. Its essence is this: to increase from January 2016 tax rates on personal income. The size of the bet, according to information, should grow from 13 to 16%. .

                ... no getting used to! We are very "natural persons", not even individuals, but m ... (Roskomnadzor forbids!); to hide "incomes" (which are not) have been taught over the past 25 years ...
                PS By the way, the State Duma does not even consider the progressive income tax, the question has been hanging for the third decade ... Well, yes, this tax is for them - to their own sickle ... well yes, Roskomnadzor ...
          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL 17 November 2015 07: 01
            0
            Quote: Hon
            Quote: Region 34
            This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

            and this move is another gas discount

            ... and an increase in utility tariffs (in Russia) ... and an increase in gas prices ... for food ... for ... for ... for ...
            Interestingly, is there a reduction for anything? or just a decline in the "standard of living"?
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 16 November 2015 19: 03
          23
          Quote: Region 34
          The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.



          If the second is the same, and then the third and fourth - I turn my back on GDP. negative
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 43
            +1
            Because the president of GDP, and not you ... Do you know what stratagemic thinking is? The Chinese came up with a thousand years ago ....
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 16 November 2015 21: 27
              11
              Quote: Karlovar
              Because the president of GDP, and not you ... Do you know what stratagemic thinking is? The Chinese came up with a thousand years ago ....

              Maybe only the Chinese got rid of the colonial yoke a hundred years ago, and got out of the "economic hole" 25 years ago.
            2. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 16 November 2015 22: 59
              +9
              Quote: Karlovar
              Because the president of GDP, and not you ... Do you know what stratagemic thinking is? The Chinese came up with a thousand years ago ....

              Irina, I would gladly support you if it were not for the government's inflated "I can not" position before. Or do you still believe in a good king? Again, the boyars were not brought up to date, and, moreover, they were fooling around, but he did not know the saint again. belay
            3. Hardy
              Hardy 16 November 2015 23: 51
              26
              Quote: Karlovar
              Because the president of GDP, and not you ... Do you know what stratagemic thinking is? The Chinese came up with a thousand years ago ....

              If Stalin didn’t run away from anyone, but went to meetings with Hitler, shook a pen, threw the poor thing some money when there was nothing to pay the SS, stopped the advance of our army and called on the warring parties to peace despite shelling from that side, would have done economically unprofitable relations between the regions of the USSR, forcing truck drivers to pay for every kilometer, spending public money on shooting Leviathan, etc., took condolences from Hitler's sponsors and gave them almost everything the country earned for debt receipts and paying interest for their own loans ... you can endlessly continue about cuts, and about education, medicine, courts, the prosecutor’s office, the police, defense service ...

              Probably then there would be people who believed in the stratagemic thinking of the leader))))
              And now we have half of the country of such believers)))))

              Oh well. politics, east ... a delicate matter ... Well, why is Chubais not sitting?))))
              But the father who defended his daughter from the attacking drug addict was given 7 years. You see, the liver is with him, with the addict, very vulnerable, you can not beat her.
              Protected his child - 7 years. Sold the country - live and rejoice. Stratagem thinking understand ...
            4. Russiamoy
              Russiamoy 17 November 2015 10: 54
              0
              [quote] [/ qBecause the president of GDP, and not you ... Do you know what strategic thinking is? The Chinese came up with a thousand years ago .... uote]
              there was nothing to frown all year and say what we said, period. They would immediately admit that they were weak and we can't influence anything - it would have looked more decent and less comical. and many people had this, as well as our place in world politics, immediately after the words "we ask you to think and postpone the referendum"
              ps your words yes .. in your ears
          2. Nymp
            Nymp 16 November 2015 21: 45
            +6
            Quote: Lelek
            If the second is the same, and then the third and fourth - I turn my back on GDP.

            Okay, let's not smack a fever! We have not complete (I would say complete absence) information! And if we assume that Putin at the summit in return was promised recognition of the legitimacy of the vote in the Donbass! Or the trial of the radicals of dill! Or the lifting of sanctions, but you never know what it was possible to exchange $ 3 billion? We can all judge only having a full alignment of political games, the backstage what
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 16 November 2015 21: 53
              +8
              Quote: Nymp
              Okay, let's not smack a fever! We have not complete (I would say complete absence) information!

              Usually everything is on mutually beneficial conditions, but what do Ukrainians give us in return? We give them three billion with a delay in 3 years, and they?
              1. mart-kot
                mart-kot 17 November 2015 06: 41
                0
                interest on the loan, what is wrong with paying a bribe to us, and then the body of the debt will be returned? All usurers live like that, including the IMF. Why do not we use nishtyak?
                1. Ru72Ru
                  Ru72Ru 17 November 2015 07: 36
                  0
                  Do you know what% Ukrainians will pay?
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                3. creak
                  creak 17 November 2015 09: 17
                  +2
                  belay belay
                  Quote: Ru72Ru
                  Do you know what% Ukrainians will pay?


                  And what's unknown? We will receive interest in the form of regular spitting and accusations as it has been so far.
                  The saying that not a single good deed will go unpunished as if specifically about Ukraine ...
                  And our regular muezzins once again in their sermons from the Ostankino minaret during the evening prayers will sing praises of the boundless wisdom of our leadership and explain to us, the wacky, how everything should be understood .. belay
          3. sherp2015
            sherp2015 17 November 2015 07: 03
            +4
            Quote: Nymp
            Quote: Lelek
            If the second is the same, and then the third and fourth - I turn my back on GDP.

            Okay, let's not smack a fever! And if we assume that Putin at the summit in return was promised recognition of the legitimacy of the vote in the Donbass! Or the trial of the radicals of dill!


            Aha! We can also assume that next year our "beloved government" will give us free gas, electricity, as in Turkmenistan, and maybe also exempt from taxes and raise pensions. It will also restore all destroyed factories and provide jobs for everyone ...
            You can assume everything.
        3. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 16 November 2015 22: 54
          +8
          Quote: Lelek
          If the second is the same, and then the third and fourth - I turn my back on GDP.

          He has been standing with you for a long time, well, of course, if your last name is not Sechin.
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 16 November 2015 23: 28
            +6
            Quote: Vladimir 1964
            Quote: Lelek
            If the second is the same, and then the third and fourth - I turn my back on GDP.
            He has been standing with you for a long time, well, of course, if your last name is not Sechin.

            They began to minuscule, only now it reached me that not all the names were mentioned. I am correcting it: Medvedev (both two), Miller, Gref, Serdyukov, etc., of course, it’s not long to remember everything, but laziness. Forgive the patriots. soldier
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 17 November 2015 00: 27
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              Quote: Lelek
              If the second is the same, and then the third and fourth - I turn my back on GDP.
              He has been standing with you for a long time, well, of course, if your last name is not Sechin.
              They began to minuscule, only now it reached me that not all the names were mentioned. I am correcting it: Medvedev (both two), Miller, Gref, Serdyukov, etc., of course, it’s not long to remember everything, but laziness. Forgive the patriots.


              That, again, not all! Guys, well, excuse me, the GDP of "druganov" has two dozen, so what? wassat
              1. Vladimir 1964
                Vladimir 1964 17 November 2015 00: 38
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                Quote: Lelek
                If the second is the same, and then the third and fourth - I turn my back on GDP.
                He has been standing with you for a long time, well, of course, if your last name is not Sechin.
                They began to minuscule, only now it reached me that not all the names were mentioned. I am correcting it: Medvedev (both two), Miller, Gref, Serdyukov, etc., of course, it’s not long to remember everything, but laziness. Forgive the patriots.

                That, again, not all! Guys, well, excuse me, the GDP of "druganov" has two dozen, so what?

                For patriots, if you need a list in a "personal" I will throw off, people do not want to tire reading, the faces in this list are known to everyone. wassat wassat wassat

                PS If you need, "you are our Putinist", then I can drop a couple more comments for the minuses, so that it would be easier for you and him. drinks wassat
        4. BMW
          BMW 16 November 2015 23: 34
          -3
          Quote: Lelek
          If the second is the same, and then the third and fourth - I turn my back on GDP.

          Reach the beginning? What are the balts? You are tired of your HPP.
      2. torp
        torp 16 November 2015 19: 10
        42
        This is not a move! This is a waste! And shameful !!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2015 21: 24
          -2
          Quote: torp
          This is not a move! This is a waste! And shameful !!

          Well then answer what would you do if you were in place of GDP?
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 16 November 2015 21: 34
            13
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Well then answer what would you do if you were in place of GDP?

            In general, it was not necessary to give money, as if he had earned it himself, and in Russia there was nowhere to use it.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2015 21: 36
              +3
              and you are aware of what were given how were given?
              sorry but in the kitchen it's easy to reason
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 16 November 2015 21: 54
                +5
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                and you are aware of what were given how were given?

                Under the meager percentage.
              2. svd-xnumx
                svd-xnumx 16 November 2015 22: 44
                0
                Under the meager percentage.
                The percentage is not very low, in the west banks and at 0 percent give money (though not for everyone,)
            2. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 16 November 2015 23: 06
              +4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and you are aware of what were given how were given?
              sorry but in the kitchen it's easy to reason

              Of course, Vladimir Ivanovich, you are right about something. But in my opinion, there was no need to "inflate" the problem of repayment initially. And now, even 90% of the GDP reytengists simply do not understand why they should be fed up.
              Anyway, what should our rating agencies do now? How to bring the rating to 100, I won’t put my mind to it, I sympathize with the poor people. crying
            3. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 17 November 2015 00: 32
              0
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and you are aware of what were given how were given?
              sorry but in the kitchen it's easy to reason
              Of course, Vladimir Ivanovich, you are right about something. But in my opinion, there was no need to "inflate" the problem of repayment initially. And now, even 90% of the GDP reytengists simply do not understand why they should be fed up.
              Anyway, what should our rating agencies do now? How to bring the rating to 100, I won’t put my mind to it, I sympathize with the poor people.

              I apologize to the patriots. Of course, a bit of a rating has lied, 83%! Everything corrected? And it is necessary to bring up to 99%, well, it was an error, somehow. laughing
            4. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 17 November 2015 00: 50
              -4
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              I apologize to the patriots. Of course, a bit of a rating has lied, 83%! Everything corrected? And it is necessary to bring up to 99%, well, it was an error, somehow.

              WHAT! belay FEW!
              Well, I'm sorry, 90-many, 83-few, this is not a disadvantage to me, but to VTsIOM. am wassat
    2. just exp
      just exp 16 November 2015 21: 42
      16
      I wouldn’t stupidly lie, I’m all the same for Grandpa Pu, but how much did they squeak that they would give up the debt, and the question is - did they lie to us? and if they lied, then what's the difference between them and the Psaki?
      I’m ready to bear hardships, I won’t complain, but I want to be told the truth.
      I understand that this is a forced step, that it’s better to rip off at least half a lard from them than nothing at all, but why was there such a squeak before that we would throw them into default? what were the screams of - yes I, yes we, yes I, the hand of the clock dawn.
      I am an ardent putinoid, but in this step I am very disappointed. not because they lost, but because they puffed up before that.
      1. man_of_war
        man_of_war 16 November 2015 21: 46
        +2
        It must be a shame for the news that was not read to the end, but the fact that the article in the boss of "BezymyannyNikto" who wanted to troll is unambiguous. And how regrettable he did it.
        1. just exp
          just exp 16 November 2015 21: 54
          0
          here I agree with you, looked at the news, basically they write all sorts of tape.ru and Forbes, but the AiF also noted, on TASS the one that was mentioned in the article did not find such news. so I hope you are right.
        2. just exp
          just exp 16 November 2015 21: 57
          0
          found what I was looking for, your truth.
          ANTALYA, November 16th. / TASS /. Russia, after the proposal to restructure the Ukrainian debt, still expects to receive a coupon payment of $ 75 million from Ukraine in December 2015, Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak told reporters.
          SEE ALSO
          The Ministry of Finance of Ukraine said that it did not receive proposals from the Russian Federation on debt restructuring

          Media: IMF calls the proposal of the Russian Federation on Ukraine’s debt a positive step
          Credit history of the Russian Federation for Ukraine. Dossier
          "We assume that the coupon will be paid in December," he said.
          According to him, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and lenders of Ukraine should respond to the proposal of the Russian Federation on the restructuring of Ukrainian debt by December 8, 2015.
          "Vladimir Vladimirovich (Putin) has designated a temporary pause until December 8. They must react," Storchak said, answering a question from journalists about when the IMF should give its answer to the Russian-proposed plan for restructuring Ukrainian debt.
          According to him, the situation related to these obligations of Ukraine to Russia is multifaceted and is being discussed with the IMF and its main shareholders. "But, of course, at some point the interests of specifically Ukraine will be taken into account. But for now, the startup is what it is. This issue takes time to study," Storchak added.
        3. just exp
          just exp 16 November 2015 22: 01
          +2
          but how to understand this xs xs xs.
          TASS DOSSIER. On November 16, 2015, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia had proposed Ukraine to restructure its debt, which is $ 3 billion, excluding interest. Moscow offers installment payments for 2016-2018. with payments of $ 1 billion per year.
      2. man_of_war
        man_of_war 16 November 2015 21: 46
        0
        It must be a shame for the news that was not read to the end, but the fact that the article in the boss of "BezymyannyNikto" who wanted to troll is unambiguous. And how regrettable he did it.
        1. air force 32
          air force 32 16 November 2015 22: 00
          +3
          I agree that the article is nameless, and the scheme seems pretty (whoever taught), but why it stinks so much, it hurts my eyes ...
      3. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 16 November 2015 22: 03
        +8
        Quote: just EXPL
        I want to be told the truth
        So they say:

        Vladimir Putin: “You see, we have not experienced any large-scale nationalization or a slide towards general administrative regulation. We have preserved the free movement of capital and the convertibility of the ruble. I am sure that all this served as a convincing signal for investors, and I want to emphasize once again and say: return to the past will not be. Russia will remain a liberal market economy. Today I want to repeat again: we will consistently continue the line on promoting private initiative, on integration into the world economy, on the formation of a favorable investment climate ".
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=317679

        Putin: “We have to think about what to do, how to build our policy. we will act in the logic of a market economy"
        http://www.rg.ru/2015/01/21/putin-ekonomika-site.html

        Putin: "Under the capital amnesty, the issue is not the return of capital, but in its legalization"
        http://tass.ru/ekonomika/1656342

        You just don’t want to hear her.
      4. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 16 November 2015 23: 14
        +4
        Quote: just explo
        I wouldn’t stupidly lie, I’m all the same for Grandpa Pu, but how much did they squeak that they would give up the debt, and the question is - did they lie to us? and if they lied, then what's the difference between them and the Psaki?
        I’m ready to bear hardships, I won’t complain, but I want to be told the truth.
        I understand that this is a forced step, that it’s better to rip off at least half a lard from them than nothing at all, but why was there such a squeak before that we would throw them into default? what were the screams of - yes I, yes we, yes I, the hand of the clock dawn.
        I am an ardent putinoid, but in this step I am very disappointed. not because they lost, but because they puffed up before that.

        And I do not have much respect for GDP, but with deep respect I supported your comment in all possible ways, because in my opinion this is the whole negative of this situation, Dear colleague. hi
      5. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 17 November 2015 01: 12
        -3
        Quote: just explo
        I am an ardent putinoid, but in this step I am very disappointed

        I sympathize laughing
        can et. diagnosis? what
        here's a memory ...
    3. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 16 November 2015 21: 59
      +8
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Quote: torp
      This is not a move! This is a waste! And shameful !!

      Well then answer what would you do if you were in place of GDP?


      under the knee gave the whole team responsible for the economic development path repeat
      well, to begin with, I would have built a consistent line of behavior with the Ukrainian "brothers" - that is, if we say "we are not going to restructure", then we do it despite the costs, if we say "there will be no gas discounts" - the same ... And so throwing speaks either about inconsistency of actions, or about the inability to defend their position. As the saying goes, "a good attitude is perceived as a weakness" (c) This applies to Ukraine in full.
      If our position is weak, there is no need to make harsh statements - we need to learn from the Americans to publicize their weaknesses as virtues
  2. Aleksander
    Aleksander 16 November 2015 22: 01
    +6
    Quote: torp
    This is not a move! This is a waste! And shameful !!


    Let her give, if such a good, and not public
    !
    Ruins, the s-th son, and himself, and Russia through his death. He recalled himself, was conceited, thinks that everyone will forgive, but no .....
  3. Kite
    Kite 17 November 2015 01: 08
    0
    The news says that the proposed debt restructuring plan is "better" than the one proposed by the IMF. It was proposed to simply postpone the payment to the next year, then to the next, ...... Obviously, they just wanted to blur the matter and forget about the limitation period. In response, we heard: well, we have better conditions, we will postpone payments, but start collecting the first lard right now.
    Well, and what do you think, will the hoxl accept such an offer? I think not. They don’t have money and such, but even if they scrap this amount, they will have egg bristles and pig fat (with skins) on the scraper. They will not accept (hohls) this proposal is one ...! Just what they now brush it off then? They used to talk about Russia's refusal to discuss the topic at all. Now the deadline is approaching and the goodwill is shown, and in response to w ..., so if you please fulfill the previous conditions completely!
    1. Kite
      Kite 17 November 2015 01: 37
      -1
      and I’ll add: the refusal to pay the debt and the subsequent default can be countered by the trustees of the debtor. The trustees fully manage the IMF and intend to amend the rules of the game as the game progresses, i.e. Allow credit to defaulted debtors. You can, of course, choose a debt through the courts, not only the whole amount at once, but in small parts from different accounts. At the same time, most of it will go to judicial swindlers.
  • tomket
    tomket 16 November 2015 19: 15
    26
    Quote: Region 34
    The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

    Yeah. HHP. We will give money to dill so that they get vodka, get drunk, and we quietly))))) Is it really so nice to believe in nonsense called HHP?
  • 12345
    12345 16 November 2015 19: 17
    21
    give credit, second move
    1. just exp
      just exp 16 November 2015 21: 44
      -3
      if this helps to change kaklov, then to hell with credit, I’m only afraid that kakly is like blacks in the 19th century, give them a finger they will take their whole hand.
      the thought alone is comforting, maybe ours are buying the world in the Donbass in such a way that they can launch an offensive and ours decided that it would be better to help the piglet in the economy if it did not start the massacre with hopelessness.
  • GOgaRu
    GOgaRu 16 November 2015 19: 19
    +3
    This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

    And the result does not matter. The main thing is the game!
    1. GOgaRu
      GOgaRu 16 November 2015 19: 36
      16
      I know that the site has a lot of m ... with big stars who work in a flock and put cons to objectionable. Such "gentlemen" by their actions are very reminiscent of paid "patriots". I want to say that I don't care about your cons. Even if I am deprived of the opportunity to comment, it will not lose me. But pasaran, comrades!
  • Kuzyakin15
    Kuzyakin15 16 November 2015 19: 33
    18
    Quote: 34 region
    This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

    Lord Yes, turn on the brain and rub your eyes, that our Darkest spit on the so-called the people of Russia.
  • Am
    Am 16 November 2015 19: 34
    0
    Yes, the plan is cunning, everything is well thought out.
  • Karlovar
    Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 39
    +5
    The politician who is guided by emotions is bad, the more they follow their lead !!! Politics is pure pragmatics, the art of cold calculation, often-dirty cold calculation ...
  • Grenader
    Grenader 16 November 2015 19: 40
    33
    Quote: Region 34
    This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

    In this case, image losses outweigh material benefits. As the Japanese say - Samurai should not lose face. Here the complete loss of face. The meaning of this is not clear. Does Putin want to drop his rating? The kindness of x @ hl has never been appreciated and will not be appreciated. I am sure at 100% that they are still disgusting some sort of thing they will freeze us for this. In general, disgusting at heart.
    1. spravochnik
      spravochnik 16 November 2015 20: 23
      +2
      And how in the press and on-net frolic.
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    3. Aleksander
      Aleksander 16 November 2015 21: 48
      10
      Quote: Grenader
      Quote: Region 34
      This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

      In this case, image losses outweigh material benefits. As the Japanese say - Samurai should not lose face. Here the complete loss of face. The meaning of this is not clear. Does Putin want to drop his rating? The kindness of x @ hl has never been appreciated and will not be appreciated. I am sure at 100% that they are still disgusting some sort of thing they will freeze us for this. In general, disgusting at heart.


      Putin collapsed the second time in my eyes, the first time he lied: "Let them try!" and the second time, the forgiveness of NOT YOURS, but the STATE money, the Nazis. Yearning....
  • znorick
    znorick 16 November 2015 20: 54
    12
    And then, probably, concessions will follow in the free trade zone, on which the EU insists. The party will end when there is nothing to hand over.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 16 November 2015 21: 23
    11
    Quote: 34 region
    This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

    The government of the Russian Federation has made a decision. Increase in housing and communal services tariffs in 2016 year will happen in the following range:

    electricity - 7,5-11%;
    thermal energy - 7,5-9%;
    Railways services - 7,5-10%;
    gas - 8,5% for the population and 7,5% for other consumers.
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 16 November 2015 23: 50
      +9
      Quote: RUSS
      The government of the Russian Federation has made a decision. An increase in housing and utilities tariffs in 2016 will occur in the following range:
      electricity - 7,5-11%;
      thermal energy - 7,5-9%;
      Railways services - 7,5-10%;
      gas - 8,5% for the population and 7,5% for other consumers.


      And yet, Dear Maxim, the retirement age will be increased, since in spite of the health care reform, we are all the same too slow. sad
  • vorobey
    vorobey 16 November 2015 21: 35
    11
    Quote: 34 region
    This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.


    Of course, I’m specifically in aha from how the people vote on emotions .. because the fact that the article does not reflect the essence of everything that we have proposed .. the root is not mentioned ... and the people have already shit ...

    But GDP voiced the conditions ... and our mushrooms are beautifully put on ... you return a billion a year and give guarantees .. and .. let's see who gives guarantees ...

    so my plus to you .. but I’ll save this little article and some comments so that later I can poke kittens .. especially when it comes to the slogans of Baikonur ..
    1. man_of_war
      man_of_war 16 November 2015 21: 41
      +2
      + You are for sanity, Colleague.
    2. man_of_war
      man_of_war 16 November 2015 21: 41
      +1
      + You are for sanity, Colleague.
    3. andj61
      andj61 16 November 2015 21: 56
      +8
      Quote: vorobey
      but I’ll save this article in a reference and some comments so that later I can poke kittens .. especially when it comes to the slogans of Baikonur ..

      good Still, our people love to rush from one extreme to another!
      1. man_of_war
        man_of_war 16 November 2015 22: 20
        -2
        So they waited for the munuses, without arguments, but it's a pity ...
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 16 November 2015 22: 00
      +5
      Quote: vorobey
      Of course, I’m specifically in aha from how the people vote on emotions .. because the fact that the article does not reflect the essence of everything that we have proposed .. the root is not mentioned ... and the people have already shit ...

      We began to get used to victories in diplomacy, but there are also defeats, today, as an example, a specific failure with dill loans, but we will be broadcast about half an hour on TV about Syria and another half hour about France.
    5. ancient
      ancient 16 November 2015 22: 17
      +7
      Quote: vorobey
      But GDP voiced the conditions ... and our mushrooms are beautifully put on ... you return a billion a year and give guarantees .. and .. let's see who gives guarantees ...


      Sasha, what about the aspect that Donbass and Lugansk will continue to "flatten"? And will they cut the "light" to the Crimea? And Grref "sits" on dill along with the rest of the banks and .. "gives out bad loans"?

      So Sanya .. "deflection", he is .. "deflection" !!! soldier
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 16 November 2015 22: 50
        +2
        Quote: ancient
        Quote: vorobey
        But GDP voiced the conditions ... and our mushrooms are beautifully put on ... you return a billion a year and give guarantees .. and .. let's see who gives guarantees ...


        Sasha, what about the aspect that Donbass and Lugansk will continue to "flatten"? And will they cut the "light" to the Crimea? And Grref "sits" on dill along with the rest of the banks and .. "gives out bad loans"?

        So Sanya .. "deflection", he is .. "deflection" !!! soldier


        Serea, well, you start to scare me .. they wrote so much about the light in Crimea ... well, well .. hypothetically, it was deflected .. but it is not fixed .. remember how you performed the exercise in the gym - fix it .. the reaction of the partners is not yet known .. and time is ticking so .. Vlad Vladikavkaz has a good comment on this subject ..
    6. ML-334
      ML-334 17 November 2015 04: 38
      0
      There is a saying, with a black sheep at least a tuft of wool. I think that the GDP has again spread suckers.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 16 November 2015 22: 48
    +3
    Quote: Region 34
    This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

    I agree. The next move will be an increase in flights in Syria and the introduction of tariffs per kilometer of flights. 1.5 rubles per kilometer, for Su-24 and 34, Su-25 do not fall under the collection, they are less than 12 tons.
    Bag for cons, Dear colleagues, prepared. Sypte. hi
    1. Good me
      Good me 16 November 2015 23: 05
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      I agree. The next move will be an increase in flights in Syria and the introduction of tariffs per kilometer of flights. 1.5 rubles per kilometer, for Su-24 and 34, Su-25 do not fall under the collection, they are less than 12 tons.
      Bag for cons, Dear colleagues, prepared. Sypte.


      And "fill" ...

      It’s necessary to somehow compensate for the damage caused by heavy by trucks by air to highways airways ...
    2. 34 region
      34 region 17 November 2015 01: 09
      -4
      I put a zero. Accept?
  • skeptic31
    skeptic31 16 November 2015 23: 22
    +3
    It's not about the money, although they, of course, feel sorry for them. The point is our approaches. For many years the same thing. First, we talk about something for a very long time, assure of something, insist on something, and then merge everything completely calmly overnight. And in this matter this is not the end. This is just the beginning of the drain. In addition, we merge where it is impossible to merge. There is a loss of face, if it still exists in this particular case.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 17 November 2015 00: 29
      +1
      Loss of face only in the brains of sofa cremators and urapatriots. In general, all the hysteria is repeated over and over again because the average person is used to believing in a picture from TV, which is mostly propaganda and advertising. Therefore, in the brains of divan heroes zrada and change, and not real events. Everything is like in Ukraine. request At the same time, country leaders conduct their policies without regard to the opinions of sofas. They rely on the opinion of analysts and a narrow circle of experts, and not the layman. The opinions and forecasts of experts most often differ from the philistine, which is usually the simplest. And therefore, when something happens, something more complicated than we give in the face, the brains of the people are boiling and the mischief of the pessimists and the defeat of the optimists begin. Calm down citizens, drink valerian and do not hysteria where there is not even the slightest reason for this. hi There is no harm here, not overpower, there is only another move in an endless chess game.
      1. Good me
        Good me 17 November 2015 08: 35
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        There is no harm here, not overpower, there is only another move in an endless chess game.


        The trouble is that of an ENDLESS "chess game" ...

        And delaying what is happening in Ukraine is in the interests of the opponent.


        And was it worth accepting an "invitation" to participate in such a "party"? Perhaps you need to "put your opponent on the shoulder", a trick from another sport, in which the country's political leadership is more successful?
    2. 34 region
      34 region 17 November 2015 01: 11
      -1
      Do you need refugees? Have you ordered? Make room and fork out!
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 17 November 2015 01: 23
        +2
        Quote: Region 34
        Do you need refugees? Have you ordered?

        Where and where?
        I’ll tell you a terrible story about refugees from the Donbass who lived in my entrance yes
        To the question: -Well, how do you like with us?
        Answer: -How do you live here at excessive prices?
        -And we have nowhere else to say ...

        And as the current war in Dombass died down, our neighbors on the site went to their homeland, to the Donbass.
        Quote: Region 34
        Make room and fork out!

        And we are already crowded and cough, every single day ...
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 16 November 2015 23: 24
    +5
    Quote: Region 34
    This is also how to see who raped whom. The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.

    Unfortunately, the second move, no matter what it is, will not play a role. Dear colleague, go to any Ukrainian site, and you will understand everything. I don’t even want to write. soldier
    1. 34 region
      34 region 17 November 2015 01: 15
      0
      So do not write if you do not want! What is the problem? laughing
  • marna
    marna 16 November 2015 23: 26
    +4
    Quote: Region 34
    The party is not over yet. This is only one move in it.


    We are definitely waiting for the continuation, when everyone will observe with interest who all the same will push the debts of the independence.
    It is not very clear why the article covers only the first part of this tempting proposal. The most important link in this mnoghodovochki missed.

    "But the Russian proposal has one feature: if Ukraine accepts it, it will not be able to refuse to repay the debt in the future, because either the US government, or the European Union, or one of the international institutions must vouch for it."

    And further, personally from the guarantors of GDP:

    "Since our partners are confident that the creditworthiness of the Ukrainian state will grow and we have no reason to doubt that we will receive even three billion next year, there is no fear of our partners to come up with a guarantee on this loan," Vladimir Putin said.

    Not the fact that such an offer will be accepted at all. In the end, who will pay? ..
  • arane
    arane 16 November 2015 19: 26
    10
    Quote: silinigo
    Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!


    Yes, we did everything right! I explain on the fingers!
    Now we just saved our face by making a gesture of goodwill!

    Well, we would demand, and so what? One hell wouldn’t get money, they stupidly don’t! What's next? Default?
    Yes, default! So what? What is it to us from their default?
    The myth is one hell began to consider the issue of lending to Ukraine in the presence of default!
    After that, the timing of the loan repayment is not at all clear!
    1. arane
      arane 16 November 2015 19: 44
      +4
      Quote: arane
      Quote: silinigo
      Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!


      Yes, we did everything right! I explain on the fingers!
      Now we just saved our face by making a gesture of goodwill!

      Well, we would demand, and so what? One hell wouldn’t get money, they stupidly don’t! What's next? Default?
      Yes, default! So what? What is it to us from their default?
      The myth is one hell began to consider the issue of lending to Ukraine in the presence of default!
      After that, the timing of the loan repayment is not at all clear!



      The myth is read like the IMF!
      Damn, I got this iPad! Does anyone know how this crap turns off in it?
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 16 November 2015 20: 38
        +3
        Quote: arane
        Damn, I got this iPad!
        Well, use analogues of Russian production lol
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 November 2015 20: 53
          +1
          We have an analogue - Yota 4G for 40000 rubles.
          1. arane
            arane 16 November 2015 20: 59
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            We have an analogue - Yota 4G for 40000 rubles.

            And they do that in China!
        2. viktorR
          viktorR 16 November 2015 22: 45
          +4
          And actually, why not use an American trinket, do they fly into space on our engines? That space and then a toy, at least something with stupid urvem)))
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 17 November 2015 00: 31
            -1
            Quote: viktorR
            And in fact, why not use an American trinket
            So I got it, but for some reason I can’t switch to the domestic one.

            at least something with stupid urvm
            Have you seen the structure and export volumes of these stupid ones? There is a lot of useful things you can snatch, but again, something always bothers.
            1. viktorR
              viktorR 17 November 2015 01: 10
              0
              Remind me, where are all these products collected? Really in the states? Well then yes, of course you are right.
            2. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 17 November 2015 01: 26
              -3
              Quote: viktorR
              Remind me, where are all these products collected? Really in the states?
              I’m afraid that it’s not necessary to remind here, but to give a lecture on the meaning of basic economic terms.

              When it comes to US exports, it always means products made in the USA.
  • Karlovar
    Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 46
    +9
    Is it really so hard for people to understand such simple things? All argue on emotions, emotions are the destiny of the weak, in politics there is nothing emotional to do ...
  • MMX
    MMX 16 November 2015 20: 20
    +2
    Quote: arane
    Quote: silinigo
    Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!


    Yes, we did everything right! I explain on the fingers!
    Now we just saved our face by making a gesture of goodwill!

    Well, we would demand, and so what? One hell wouldn’t get money, they stupidly don’t! What's next? Default?
    Yes, default! So what? What is it to us from their default?
    The myth is one hell began to consider the issue of lending to Ukraine in the presence of default!
    After that, the timing of the loan repayment is not at all clear!


    Yes, no question, let it be so. Only now, why did you have to repeat to the whole world that we would demand a debt and that’s all, and then in the final, nevertheless agree to the conditions of the West and Kiev ... It looks like an inept card bluff.
    One hope that all the same behind the scenes we agreed on something and in return, we get something ...
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 16 November 2015 20: 41
      0
      Quote: MMX
      Only now, why did you have to repeat to the whole world that we would require a debt and that’s all, and then in the final, nevertheless agree to the conditions of the West and Kiev
      How is this why? To create a situation in which it will be possible to save face - this is HPP.
    2. arane
      arane 16 November 2015 21: 01
      +5
      Quote: MMX
      Quote: arane
      Quote: silinigo
      Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!


      Yes, we did everything right! I explain on the fingers!
      Now we just saved our face by making a gesture of goodwill!

      Well, we would demand, and so what? One hell wouldn’t get money, they stupidly don’t! What's next? Default?
      Yes, default! So what? What is it to us from their default?
      The myth is one hell began to consider the issue of lending to Ukraine in the presence of default!
      After that, the timing of the loan repayment is not at all clear!


      Yes, no question, let it be so. Only now, why did you have to repeat to the whole world that we would demand a debt and that’s all, and then in the final, nevertheless agree to the conditions of the West and Kiev ... It looks like an inept card bluff.
      One hope that all the same behind the scenes we agreed on something and in return, we get something ...


      Yes, just mattresses through the IMF unexpectedly threw a joke! Here we have played!
      And it was so beautiful. Default No one else will give money. There is nothing to fight, salaries, pensions nothing to pay, and so on. Kirdyk to the Bandera regime. But......
      Our overseas "partners" have other goals, and the fall of the junta regime is not included in them. Even the rules and requirements of the IMF, only for ruins, were decided to redraw.
    3. WINovikov
      WINovikov 16 November 2015 21: 01
      +5
      We won’t get anything. And the IMF will pat our GDP and will throw another muck.
  • FiremamRescueS
    FiremamRescueS 16 November 2015 21: 28
    +1
    I agree. That's about all, but (!) I’m terribly interested in what was sold for this deferral of payments
  • just exp
    just exp 16 November 2015 21: 46
    +2
    yes do not care about kaklov and their default, to lie then before that why?
    Putin relies on the trust of the people, the people believe him, but now it turns out that it doesn’t make much sense to believe him, but he has his own reasons, but maybe he should voice them?
    and so we all feel like idiots, and there will be no hardship because the patriot suffers, who knows what he’s going to do.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 16 November 2015 21: 56
      +3
      Quote: just explo
      yes do not care about kaklov and their default, to lie then before that why?

      This is the question why the people in the ears blow one thing, but in reality do another.
  • Good me
    Good me 16 November 2015 22: 27
    0
    Quote: arane
    Well, we would demand, and so what? One hell wouldn’t get money, they stupidly don’t! What's next? Default?
    Yes, default! So what? What is it to us from their default?

    The impossibility of further extension of the war carried out by Kiev impostors in the Donbass, the collapse of the junta, the transition of Ukraine to our sphere of influence ... Is this not enough?
    1. arane
      arane 16 November 2015 23: 00
      +2
      Quote: Good I
      Quote: arane
      Well, we would demand, and so what? One hell wouldn’t get money, they stupidly don’t! What's next? Default?
      Yes, default! So what? What is it to us from their default?

      The impossibility of further extension of the war in Kiev in the Donbass carried out by Kiev’s self-denomination Uuugb, the collapse of the junta, the transition of Ukraine to our sphere of influence ... Is this not enough?

      Quote: Good I
      Quote: arane
      Well, we would demand, and so what? One hell wouldn’t get money, they stupidly don’t! What's next? Default?
      Yes, default! So what? What is it to us from their default?

      The impossibility of further extension of the war carried out by Kiev impostors in the Donbass, the collapse of the junta, the transition of Ukraine to our sphere of influence ... Is this not enough?


      Read above, already wrote in this vein!
  • veksha50
    veksha50 16 November 2015 19: 30
    25
    Quote: silinigo
    Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!



    This article from the very first comments achieved what it wanted ... The material was presented one-sidedly, more precisely - with omissions ...

    Read what conditions Putin has set before the states, the European Union and the IMF to carry out this "deep restructuring" ...

    By and large, Yaytsenyukh and Yareska bit a bit and did not want to repay this debt ... The IMF is urgently redrawing its Charter in order to continue to feed Ukraine after it defaults ...

    As a result, there is no money for Russia ... So what, officially declare war on ???

    When it was necessary for the "tomatoes" to take what in the Donetsk region, what with gas - they clicked a bread slicer ...

    This, of course, is not a super-grandmaster move - to make hostages to repay a loan to the USA, the EU and the IMF ... where you sit on them - you’ll get down there ... But however, it seems to me that it’s better than hearing a couple of days later - they went for .. ., you won’t get a penny or a cent ...

    PS But in general, they have settled in tight with these debts, gas and much more than ...

    Somehow disgusting in my soul ...

    But the nameless author of the article is minus for dishonesty and juggling the facts ... Minus is moral, because I do not put minuses from the principle ...
    1. Good me
      Good me 16 November 2015 23: 14
      0
      Quote: veksha50
      But the nameless author of the article is minus for dishonesty and juggling the facts ... Minus is moral, because I do not put minuses from the principle ...


      Sometimes (there is such a word) it is NECESSARY, "to step on the throat of your own song", and evaluate it as it deserves ...

      I, unlike you, did not undertake such rigid moral obligations, therefore I will "minus" the article from the bottom of my heart ...
  • g1v2
    g1v2 16 November 2015 19: 59
    12
    Someone thought that dill will give us money? Seriously? The IMF specifically refused its rules to allow them to. The GDP offer is simple - we do not write off anything, we agree to a deferment, but so that the West GUARANTEES to us the REPLENISHMENT of the debt. That is, if the urki cannot return it to us, they will return the Western guarantors. The choice is not to get anything or guaranteed to receive money, but later. Really zrada. crying
    1. Alf
      Alf 16 November 2015 21: 27
      +2
      Quote: g1v2
      That is, if the urki cannot return it to us, they will return the Western guarantors. The choice is not to get anything or guaranteed to receive money, but later. Really zrada

      If mongrels send us to a long, round, with a red warhead, then why do you think that their owner will treat us differently?
      Russia will not receive anything, neither now, nor later, nor from the Khokslov, nor from the hosts.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 16 November 2015 22: 26
        +5
        The lessons are sending us because they simply have no money to pay the debt. So they are knocked out. If the debtor has nothing, then there is nothing to take from him. Their owners are now sitting in Turkey and are negotiating with us on a bunch of issues. The issue of Ukrainian debt is one of the smallest of them. request Other issues, such as Syria and Iran, are much more serious. Throwing PM if the West becomes the guarantor of the debt, no one will. It's just too small a question for a kidalov. $ 3 billion for countries from the top ten is for candy. It is not accepted to cheat for such amounts among serious players. Too shallow. And I'm just wondering. On the "patriotic resource" do they really think that GDP is so easy to fuck, especially some dill? Seriously? Maybe it's time to rename the site to censor 2? The comments are one to one, only less mata. hi
  • aleks700
    aleks700 16 November 2015 20: 14
    +5
    Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!
    Yes they raped us and not GDP
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 16 November 2015 21: 32
      +4
      Quote: aleks700
      Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!
      Yes they raped us and not GDP

      They’ll also be with us, for a start, they will increase the retirement age.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2015 21: 23
    0
    Quote: silinigo
    Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!

    Well, not dill and the Americans, although there is an option to get out
    under Putin’s terms, the guarantee of the return of ALL 3 billion should be either the EU or the USA or the IMF itself
  • Ros64
    Ros64 16 November 2015 22: 08
    -8
    Donbass surrendered, or else it will be!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 16 November 2015 22: 16
      +1
      Quote: Ros64
      Donbass surrendered, or else it will be!

      So with Donbass, today it’s not necessary and without it it’s already hot for more than 500 comments on a branch laughing
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  • tantalum
    tantalum 17 November 2015 01: 45
    0
    Quote: silinigo
    raped dill

    Merge you fucked laughing
  • GRAY
    GRAY 16 November 2015 18: 35
    +1
    Quote: Angro Magno
    . Yaytsenyuk did Putin,

    Nobody talked to him at all, the rabbit did not participate in the process.
    Quote: Angro Magno
    Interestingly, what will the witnesses of the BSP now?

    I don’t know who will bleat anything there, but I’m sure that such wide gestures are not made for free. GDP of something bargained for anyone.
    1. Hon
      Hon 16 November 2015 18: 37
      -5
      Quote: GRAY
      Nobody talked to him at all, the rabbit did not participate in the process.

      but got it anyway
      Quote: GRAY
      I don’t know who will bleat anything there, but I’m sure that such wide gestures are not made for free. GDP of something bargained for anyone.

      yes one hundred pounds
      1. papas-57
        papas-57 16 November 2015 18: 43
        17
        "Nobody spoke to him at all, the rabbit did not participate in the process." The rabbit may not have participated in the process, but he achieved his goal. Made by our government and GDP.
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 16 November 2015 18: 46
        +5
        Quote: Hon
        but got it anyway

        He has nothing of his own, in politics, at least.
        Quote: Hon
        yes one hundred pounds

        You can get a loan, for example, from the same IMF, and hang up payments on it to Scakland. And it is possible not with money, some things are not measured at all in the dough.
        1. Hon
          Hon 16 November 2015 18: 48
          +5
          Quote: GRAY
          You can get a loan, for example, from the same IMF, and hang up payments on it to Scakland. And it is possible not with money, some things are not measured at all in the dough.

          and you can suck a paw
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 16 November 2015 18: 51
            +1
            Quote: Hon
            and you can suck a paw

            I will not bother you. laughing
            1. Hon
              Hon 16 November 2015 18: 53
              0
              Now it’s clear why the image of our country is Bear
              1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 16 November 2015 19: 06
            +2
            Quote: Hon
            and you can suck a paw


            Go ahead, it’s not forbidden, and to the accordion. bully
          3. WINovikov
            WINovikov 16 November 2015 21: 05
            +1
            That's just the paw we have to suck, not Putin.
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 50
          +2
          Namely, not all loot is measured!
    2. ssergn
      ssergn 16 November 2015 18: 49
      +6
      Quote: GRAY
      GDP of something bargained for anyone.


      In in, in, and I about the same (see above).
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 16 November 2015 19: 09
        13
        Quote: ssergn
        In in, in, and I about the same (see above).

        I look here almost everyone standing behind Putin's left shoulder while he was talking with Kristin Lagarde.
        I didn’t hear one thing what they were talking about.
        I envy you with white envy.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 53
          +8
          That's it, everything about everything in the know, conclusions have already been made ... unequivocal and most faithful ... Happy people, everything is primitive and unambiguous, clear and clear!
        2. ssergn
          ssergn 16 November 2015 21: 07
          +1
          Quote: GRAY
          I envy you with white envy


          Thank you, I do not need. You either did not read my comment above, or you have a violent fantasy. hi
          Speech about "heard" and was not, something like that.
        3. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 16 November 2015 21: 11
          +5
          Quote: GRAY
          I look here almost every

          not everyone - I'm not request
          but here "some" I look only in such topics and appear - to once again "pogundet"
          "Donbass leaked", "got into Syria", "Russia is draining" - eeh
          (I'll go to the "enemy" RBC and listen to this topic)
          =====
          PS
          and so for information -
          (fake do not know fake !!!)
          80-year-old Ukrainian hanged herself after receiving a gas bill
          A resident of Ukraine committed suicide by receiving a gas bill of 4 thousand hryvnia. On Monday, journalist Vladimir Chos announced this on his Facebook page. The tragedy occurred in the village of Lysyanka, Cherkasy region. An 80-year-old pensioner named specific names of people who should be blamed for her death. In her suicide note, the old woman pointed to the president and prime minister of Ukraine. “Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk are to blame for my death,” is written in the note, which the pensioner attached to the refrigerator along with the gas bill.
          http://bloknot.ru/v-mire/80-letnyaya-ukrainka-povesilas-posle-polucheniya-scheta

          -za-gaz-347018.html
          we will ride??
    3. Am
      Am 16 November 2015 19: 36
      +3
      It would be nice for the people to know what they bargain there. To themselves if only on the pockets of what a thread.
      1. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 16 November 2015 21: 52
        +9
        There is such an opinion.
        "But that's not all. In the text of the Kiev restructuring agreement, there is a clause according to which none of the creditors have the right to get better conditions than all the others. This is a fairly standard clause for such agreements, and it is thanks to him that the Franklin Templeton Foundation is somewhat years he pulled veins from Argentina after the default of 2001, and then completely provoked the second default in this country.

        If one of the lenders receives better conditions for restructuring than all the others, then all the others may automatically require similar preferences.

        That is, if the United States agrees to Putin’s kind offer, then:
        a) the United States will have to guarantee not 3 billion Russian debt, but all 18,5 billion dollars of restructured debts;
        b) the repayment of the debt (all 18,5 yards) should not take place from 2019 to 2025 years, but from 2016 to 2018 years.
        It’s just “wiped off your feet”. Shaped, typical "putinsil", there is no doubt
        Do you think the Americans will go to such conditions?
        Alexander Rogers
        In general, our clever people started something again. It is clear that the Ruin is not able to pay anything, therefore defaulted, and there ... many different solutions, but everything for the Ruin is fatal.
    4. Karlovar
      Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 49
      +1
      Politics, there is a big market, everyone is bargaining, bargaining for themselves ... For this concession, 100% of the GDP received counter-concessions from the West ... Notice, until Dzhi20 it was quiet in debt, we rubbed at the summit and you get the decision made ...
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 16 November 2015 20: 47
        0
        Quote: Karlovar
        For this concession, 100% of GDP received counter-concessions from the West
        In whose interests?
    5. BOB48
      BOB48 16 November 2015 20: 10
      0
      handshakes !!!!!!
    6. Alf
      Alf 16 November 2015 21: 30
      +1
      Quote: GRAY
      GDP of something bargained for anyone.

      Remember how the GDP immediately sharply changed its opinion about the introduction of troops after a meeting with the President of Switzerland. I wonder what is the GDP in the country of banks?
  • Iline
    Iline 16 November 2015 18: 39
    16
    Quote: Angro Magno
    I did not speak, but quietly was afraid of it. It turns out, not in vain afraid. I sensed.

    Yes, calm down, finally, all. Putin is a young man. Only in the article are quotes pulled out of the contest. You must add such a phrase
    Vladimir Putin also noted that Moscow expects the United States, the EU, or international financial institutions to provide guarantees that Ukraine will pay $ 3 billion in debt to Russia.

    But with this, Western patrons of Ukraine have an ambush. I want to look at these kamikazes which will give such guarantees.
    Putin just put everyone in place with his howls for help to Ukraine. No guarantees - no talk of debt restructuring.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 16 November 2015 18: 48
      20
      I want to look at these kamikazes which will give such guarantees.
      No problem! they are all the same - who guaranteed guarantee guarantees to Yanukovych!
      Do you need guarantees? I have them! "Take it, I'll draw myself some more!" (C)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 November 2015 20: 58
        0
        The IMF acts as a guarantor for Ukrainian debt, if these do not give 3 billion greens - Putin and the IMF have already agreed on this.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 16 November 2015 18: 55
      +3
      Not bad. Then the IMF seems to give a loan to Ukraine but we will get it. Technical move. You just need a guarantee on the non-receipt of this money by the junta. So that you do not accidentally catch on their pockets.
    3. Sega66
      Sega66 16 November 2015 18: 56
      +4
      All right! What is the use of their default, there’s nothing to give back anyway. And so, if they do not pay, you will have to pay the IMF. Yes, what a lure, we’ll stretch it for three years, as if they would sign ...
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 16 November 2015 19: 03
        19
        All right! What is the use of their default, there’s nothing to give back anyway. And so, if they do not pay, you will have to pay the IMF. Yes, what a lure, we’ll stretch it for three years, as if they would sign ...

        the question is on a different plane -
        1) why their citizens spread rot for debt restructuring ??
        2) who said that we with the help of the courts would not have pulled out this money, at least through the seizure of property and sanctions? we still buy goods from them ??
        3) and the IMF type honest organization ?? they have no right at all now to give loans to Ukraine! Now the information has passed on the revision of some provisions of the IMF, where are the guarantees that they will then not accept the provision on a thread of statute of limitations or any other garbage that is beneficial for themselves ??
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 16 November 2015 19: 36
          +6
          Quote: Yuyuka
          2) who said that with the help of the courts we would not have pulled out this money, if only through the seizure of property and sanctions? are we still buying goods from them ??


          Um ... You forgot how much in Russia in the case of Yukos hung ???
          How was our sailing training bark arrested ??? Well, and so on, and in the same vein ...

          Through the court, we’ll get the hell out of two ... There, the Egghead is no longer 3 lard, but considers Russia’s debts to be trillions, and it will be bastard to write and file claims ... And the debriefing will last 100 years, until the grandmother’s blanket ...
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 16 November 2015 19: 57
            +6
            Through the court, we’ll get the hell out of two ... There, the Egghead is no longer 3 lard, but considers Russia’s debts to be trillions, and she’ll be a bastard to write and file suits ... And the debriefing will last 100 years, until her grandmother’s blanket ..

            and this analysis will continue and in the end it will be written off as bequeathed to the Great Yaytsenosky Rabbit. it's all about the consequences of this decision - look how many comments on this article! Well, these are those who are here, but tomorrow 90% of working and non-working average and not very wealthy citizens will say - how long ?? and no one will go into the nuances - the New Year is coming soon and many are waiting for it with fear - job loss looms, and debts hang - on loans, on communal flat ... that's the trouble - we beat our own people, and strangers are not afraid, they celebrate " his "victory. It was necessary from the very beginning to be more flexible and not shout "We will take everything from them!" We passed ... on gas it was the same ...
        2. just exp
          just exp 16 November 2015 21: 49
          +2
          I owe another for utilities 270 thousand. I didn’t pay 2 years, well, he doesn’t have work with 3 terms, they don’t take it. I have a question, if we take into account that he has got quite a few loans, maybe he should also ask about restructuring? logically, authorities should go. if the Nazis went to a meeting, then they must go to their own citizens too.
    4. GOgaRu
      GOgaRu 16 November 2015 19: 24
      0
      GDP is not submitting, it is accepting.
      1. Am
        Am 16 November 2015 19: 41
        +5
        According to such acts, he is nikakayuschiy.
        1. GOgaRu
          GOgaRu 16 November 2015 20: 04
          +2
          According to such acts, he is nikakayuschiy.

          It was meant that he did not send the ball where he needed, but only accepted where this ball would be sent. That is, he plays the second number.
    5. Am
      Am 16 November 2015 19: 40
      +9
      What are you talking about nonsense? When they gave this loan, they said in the same place that payments were guaranteed by something in England. And where is the guarantee that this money will be returned in a year, two, three? They throw as they like, what is wrong with Mistrals they’re holding credit. And these (the government) are either that, or they really pressed something. And there were so many conversations, yes we are, yes we are ... what faith now and they say to them.
    6. Karlovar
      Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 56
      +1
      Moreover, we are not talking about debt forgiveness, but talking about a delay of 3 years! It seems that people read only the title of the article, but the article itself is not ....
      1. GOgaRu
        GOgaRu 16 November 2015 20: 07
        0
        Moreover, we are not talking about debt forgiveness, but talking about a delay of 3 years! It seems that people read only the title of the article, but the article itself is not ...

        Radish horseradish is not sweeter. Money as it was not and is not expected.
    7. Valentine
      Valentine 16 November 2015 20: 59
      +3
      Do you really believe the guarantees of our "Partners", "Colleagues" and "Comrades" from Washington? Have
      Uncle Sam under twenty trillion of external debts, and a few extra ones are not a problem for them, they will print for themselves, since they have a copier in their hands. But I also want to think that there are not “couch” analysts in the Kremlin, like us, and they know What do they do. As for me, they did not live so richly, and do not ... start, we will interrupt without this money, not the first time, but
      and you don’t need to bend your back, otherwise the rating will drop to
      the error of the votes of the Kasyanovs and Makarevichs with the Ponomarevs.
    8. znorick
      znorick 16 November 2015 21: 06
      +5
      What guarantees can the West give? The one who sued 50 billion greenbacks from Russia in favor of Yukos shareholders and began to seize Russian property abroad. The one who gave guarantees to Yanukovych, and then imposed sanctions against Russia. At one "perfect" moment, they can award Russia to pay compensation to the Hohland for the "occupation" of Crimea, etc. You can negotiate with them as much as you like, but until you take them for me ... doing business is more expensive for yourself.
    9. Alf
      Alf 16 November 2015 21: 36
      +2
      Quote: Iline
      But with this, Western patrons of Ukraine have an ambush. I want to look at these kamikazes which will give such guarantees.

      They will give guarantees, but no money, they will find thousands of reasons, and most likely they will simply openly say, we don’t understand what you are talking about. After which, our wisest will say, well, the global crisis, no one has money, they will have to write off.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 16 November 2015 19: 04
    12
    Quote: Angro Magno
    I did not say, but I was quietly afraid of it.

    I, too... crying
    But ... let's think about it. And what had to be done? Recognize dill default? Yes, they are now. Kuev is already defaulted. So, what is next?
    Then the court for ten years. And this court is in a geyropka. Gos. banderlog property in Europe, the cat cried, and there is a reason that it is impossible to arrest him ...
    And Putin, on the one hand, is goodwill, they say, we are going to meet them.
    And on the other, he demanded state guarantees for Ukrainian debt from its patrons. They say that Ukraine will give everything, just have to wait a bit.
    So it’s hard to refuse such an offer and return the money, albeit with a delay and hassle.
    Another thing is that such a g ... should not have been given at all ...
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 16 November 2015 19: 37
      +4
      Quote: Alekseev
      Another thing is that such a g ... should not have been given at all ...



      They gave with the hope that they would reason ... And it turned out ... it turned out - as always ...
      1. Valentine
        Valentine 16 November 2015 21: 13
        +1
        And now we extend the term, thinking that they will come to their senses again? And then what will be the rating of GDP
        in a few days?
        1. Alf
          Alf 16 November 2015 21: 39
          0
          Quote: Valentine
          And then what will be the rating of GDP
          in a few days?

          110%.
          "It doesn't matter how they vote, it's important how they think."
    2. Am
      Am 16 November 2015 19: 42
      -3
      Mistral has already returned, and all kinds of fines with costs, too. Who do you write like that?
      1. Valentine
        Valentine 16 November 2015 21: 17
        +6
        And we did not receive any penalty money, the GDP said itself that we won only due to the fact that over several years of construction of the Mistrals the dollar exchange rate rose by itself from 33-35 rubles to 65 rubles. for the dollar.
    3. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 16 November 2015 19: 57
      +7
      Quote: Alekseev
      Quote: Angro Magno
      I did not say, but I was quietly afraid of it.

      I, too... crying
      But ... let's think about it. And what had to be done? Recognize dill default? Yes, they are now. Kuev is already defaulted. So, what is next?
      Then the court for ten years. And this court is in a geyropka. Gos. banderlog property in Europe, the cat cried, and there is a reason that it is impossible to arrest him ...
      And Putin, on the one hand, is goodwill, they say, we are going to meet them.
      And on the other, he demanded state guarantees for Ukrainian debt from its patrons. They say that Ukraine will give everything, just have to wait a bit.
      So it’s hard to refuse such an offer and return the money, albeit with a delay and hassle.
      Another thing is that such a g ... should not have been given at all ...

      You know, if you want, you can justify any meanness. Especially in relation to his people! What the cheers and patriots do on.
      We have already found justifications here, of goodwill, for the supply of electricity and coal at the prime cost to Ukraine, refusal of penalties for the Mistrals (... better say, a tit in your hands), constant discounts on gas ... Is that enough or else?
      You all justify the "genius" and "foresight" of the GDP.
      But rather, the GDP does not have any moves in reserve, and the game proceeds according to the principle where the curve will take out and solve problems as they arrive. It’s time for us to get used to the fact that the promises of our rulers need to be believed to the exact same time. And GDP is no exception. his political achievements in the world political arena-patriotism and patience of the Russians.
      But it’s more like an abuse of trust and patriotism. Don't you think that today's situation is reminiscent of
      the situation in Russia on 16-17 of the last century?
      And urry-patriots: do not make yourself (and the rest) an idol ...
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 16 November 2015 20: 04
        +6
        Or maybe geopolitics is more complicated than it seems to couch strategists with 8 classes of education? wink Each time I get unrealistic pleasure from the sight of bursting farts and tantrums on the site when the GDP makes an unexpected move. I can swang - by the end of the year the farts of all-mutters and urapatriots will explode more than once. laughing
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 16 November 2015 20: 57
          -2
          Quote: g1v2
          Or maybe geopolitics is more complicated than it seems to couch strategists with 8 classes of education?
          Or maybe this political science concept, neither to the village, nor to the city you have woven into Kuzyakin’s comment, does it seem so complicated to you because of your illiteracy?

          when GDP makes an unexpected move
          Was this "move" unexpected for you? laughing
      2. Alf
        Alf 16 November 2015 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        Don't you think that today's situation is reminiscent of
        the situation in Russia on 16-17 of the last century?

        Very reminiscent of. Only GDP does not guess to draw an analogy with the fate of Nikolashka.
  • Karlovar
    Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 37
    +2
    Don't you see that you’ve agreed, have come to some kind of consensus ??? Consensus implies mutual concessions ... Russia has conceded on the issue of restructuring the Ukrainian debt, the West has also unambiguously made concessions (of course, gritting its teeth), we will soon see ...
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 16 November 2015 20: 59
      -2
      Quote: Karlovar
      the west also definitely made concessions (of course, gritting its teeth), we'll see soon ...
      Please list the concessions that the West definitely made smile
    2. Alf
      Alf 16 November 2015 21: 44
      +1
      Quote: Karlovar
      Consensus implies mutual concessions ...

      Western consensus — First we will eat your piece, and then I will eat mine.
  • zennon
    zennon 16 November 2015 20: 52
    +8
    Quote: Angro Magno
    It remains to congratulate the pupils from the present, but not fictional Peremoga. Yaytsenyuk did Putin, as promised.

    Not really. They brought an excerpt from Putin’s interview. It was. But, unlike you, I saw the whole interview myself. So, after:
    We made, in my opinion, an unexpected offer to our partners. We did not just agree to restructure the Ukrainian debt, but we offered better conditions than requested from the International Monetary Fund. We were asked to postpone payment to the next year in the amount of 3 billion dollars. I said that we are ready for a deeper restructuring. We are ready to not receive any money at all this year, and to receive a billion next year, another billion in 2017, and another billion in 2018.

    Followed-If we get guarantees from the United States, the IMF or another large, reputable financial institution for this money.
    They asked us (Lagart) to transfer the payment of this debt for a year.
    In general, the situation is this: the IMF asked Putin (Lagart) in Antalya to postpone the payment for 2016. TOTAL AMOUNT. Putin said -truck: a billion by installments. It is useful to read everything to the end.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 16 November 2015 21: 33
      +3
      Quote: zennon
      In general, the situation is this: the IMF asked Putin (Lagart) in Antalya to postpone the payment for 2016. TOTAL AMOUNT. Putin said -truck: a billion by installments. It is useful to read everything to the end.

      Umm ... actually when they gave Yanukovych these billions they said the same thing - that the debt is insured on the English stock exchange. So bullshit this excuse
  • vladimir_krm
    vladimir_krm 16 November 2015 21: 33
    12
    We will bleat! :) You are cheaply bred, check the info. And alas, the editors of VO.

    In fact, it is, only Putin’s keywords cynically removed:

    "... subject to guarantees on it from the US or EU authorities, or one of the international financial institutions."

    That is, the chances that the US and the EU will pay under the guarantee are much higher than waiting for payment from Ukraine.

    And trolling did not miss:

    "Since our partners are confident that the creditworthiness of the Ukrainian state will grow, we have no reason to doubt that we will receive even $ 3 billion next year, and if this is so, then our partners have no fears to issue our guarantees on this. credit "

    Caught on their own words :)
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 16 November 2015 21: 58
      11
      Quote: vladimir_krm
      And trolling did not miss:

      good plus .. I also noticed with what pleasure he did it ...
  • tantalum
    tantalum 17 November 2015 01: 40
    +3
    Quote: Angro Magno
    I did not speak, but quietly was afraid of it. It turns out, not in vain afraid. I sensed.

    Drooling, snot :) aaa we believed him and he so deceived us aaaa :) The impression that he didn’t go to VO but a gathering of young fools :) Almost every one of the president who angrily condemned the president yesterday sang odes to him! The same story as with Strelkov.
    P.S. The funniest thing will be when it turns out that he will put them at random with this restructuring, with a mandatory guarantee from the USA or Europe, and how they will try to push these guarantees against each other. It is interesting how quickly you forget what you wrote now? :)
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 16 November 2015 18: 24
    39
    Russians do not abandon their own. It sounds in this case as a mockery. But what about Gazprom and Rosneft in relation to their own. The feeling that we are slaves. And the top only speaks with his tongue.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 16 November 2015 19: 05
      12
      Russians do not abandon their own.

      they carefully pass them into the hands of collectors and bailiffs ...
    2. Am
      Am 16 November 2015 19: 43
      -3
      Just understand what?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 November 2015 20: 59
      0
      Become their shareholders and the share of slavery will disappear by itself.
    4. Alf
      Alf 16 November 2015 21: 45
      0
      Quote: Oleg147741
      But what about Gazprom and Rosneft in relation to their own.

      And who said that the owners of Gazprom are Russian?
  • North wind
    North wind 16 November 2015 18: 27
    -25 qualifying.
    That everyone here is going to be hysterical, as if again it began to merge, surrender, bend
    how long to!!!
    This money is still not ours, but all sorts of millers and the rest of the selling gang, even if they had returned them to us this year, we would not have lived well from this
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 16 November 2015 18: 46
      17
      Quote: North Wind
      This money is still not ours, but all sorts of millers and the rest of the selling gang, even if they had returned them to us this year, we would not have lived well from this

      No, you are mistaken, this is the hard-earned money of the common Russian people.

      Something is not heard of Obama with the lifting of sanctions because this is the price of restructuring the Ukrainian debt.
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 16 November 2015 18: 56
        -23 qualifying.
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        No, you are mistaken, this is the hard-earned money of the common Russian people.

        The Russian people do not have hard-earned money. They swell.
        1. GOgaRu
          GOgaRu 16 November 2015 19: 28
          +6
          Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          No, you are mistaken, this is the hard-earned money of the common Russian people.

          The Russian people do not have hard-earned money. They swell.

          Well, since there is no money, then you can not pay taxes. laughing We have already swollen everything. Will have to GDP at the summits on their own ride.
          1. Alf
            Alf 16 November 2015 21: 46
            +1
            Quote: GOgaRu
            Will have to GDP at the summits on their own ride.

            On the yellow Kalina.
      2. North wind
        North wind 16 November 2015 18: 57
        -2
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Quote: North Wind
        This money is still not ours, but all sorts of millers and the rest of the selling gang, even if they had returned them to us this year, we would not have lived well from this

        No, you are mistaken, this is the hard-earned money of the common Russian people.

        Something is not heard of Obama with the lifting of sanctions because this is the price of restructuring the Ukrainian debt.

        Money can and people only manage this money, not we and I will repeat again from 3 billion we will not live better in a strean where money steals and steals money in our pocket
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 16 November 2015 21: 33
          +3
          Quote: North Wind
          Money can and people only manage this money is not we

          Indirectly controls the people when going to the polls, choose Zyuganov will have another money management, Prokhorov will be the third. That is life.
          Quote: North Wind
          they steal and lay in their pocket

          You yourself choose power, which is to blame for the mirror, you can understand when the first time a person was chosen, made a mistake, re-elected, and you have well-known people in power.

          We’ll wait and see what Putin exchanged debt for, which immediately sprinkle ashes on his head. Three billion dollars is approximately a payment in Russia for four months to all pensioners (I could be wrong).
          1. Koshak
            Koshak 17 November 2015 05: 30
            0
            At the rate of 65,26 x 3 = 195,78 billion dollars. Everyone, both old and small - a million rubles, and will remain for repairs. laughing
    2. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 16 November 2015 19: 17
      +9
      And where did u "all sorts of millers and the rest of the corrupt gang"these billions? Is it not at the expense of the people that they are made? Or is this an inheritance from grandfather from America?
    3. guzik007
      guzik007 16 November 2015 19: 18
      +5
      This money is still not ours, but all sorts of millers and ...

      You tell our pensioners, buddy ...
    4. veksha50
      veksha50 16 November 2015 19: 39
      +9
      Quote: North Wind
      This money is still not ours, but of all the milers and the rest of the selling gang,



      This money comes from the state treasury, and the treasury is filled with taxes, and we, the citizens of Russia, pay taxes ...

      So do not confuse the Millerovsky pocket with the national-state budget pocket ...

      This money could bring sooo much benefit ... And so ... they were plundered by dill thieves-politicians ...
    5. Am
      Am 16 November 2015 19: 45
      +5
      You and everyone else will only live better. Especially life is beautiful when you look at the "Russia 24". So you need to remove the corrupt gang, and this money is state money, which should be used for the development of YOUR state, and not thrown away anywhere.
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 November 2015 21: 05
      +2
      In general, this money was collected from taxes from all over the country, and our government, in fact, earned already on these 3 billion dollars, when this loan was granted it was 120 billion rubles, and now it is 200 billion rubles
  • silinigo
    silinigo 16 November 2015 18: 34
    -1
    And what climbed into Syria when Bendera’s near the borders ?? Here is the rating of Putin !!
    1. 34 region
      34 region 16 November 2015 18: 56
      +4
      Think far to Syria?
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 16 November 2015 20: 01
        +4
        In geography, he had a deuce ...
  • gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 16 November 2015 18: 43
    +9
    Well, that was to be expected. They have Russia as a prodigal girl. On their citizens, as always, to fuck us.
    1. zao74
      zao74 16 November 2015 20: 11
      +2
      They have Russia as a prodigal girl.
      I do not like your comparison ...
  • Pulya
    Pulya 16 November 2015 18: 45
    -11 qualifying.
    In power prostitutes

    We only tremble and endure ...
    Really all Russia suffered?

    Where is our character
    1. Sega66
      Sega66 16 November 2015 18: 58
      +5
      Who are you with that flag?
      1. Am
        Am 16 November 2015 19: 46
        0
        The easiest way to cling to the flag.
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 16 November 2015 20: 02
        +5
        He is at work...
      3. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 16 November 2015 23: 39
        +2
        Quote: Sega66
        Who are you with that flag?

        shhh - the teacher has come laughing
  • ssergn
    ssergn 16 November 2015 18: 47
    +9
    May I clarify? As I see the situation. Friends, answer whether you are ready — each of you, let’s forgive someone for a debt in 3 (let’s say a billion) completely (default debtor), that is, voluntarily refuse money in exchange for installments (that is, still get it, but in parts and over a certain period) - restructuring?

    Well, what did you make a choice for yourself?
    And, I think, there were some other things that we stupidly do not know about. After all, the GDP met with Lagarde - for any conversation was not for beautiful eyes.
    Therefore, before you press the buttons - turn on the head laughing
    hi
    1. Am
      Am 16 November 2015 19: 47
      +4
      Where is the guarantee that you will receive them after a certain time?
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 16 November 2015 21: 01
        +2
        There was just a conversation for guarantees.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 16 November 2015 20: 03
      +4
      If there is a button-head to anything .... Blurring black with a smart look is a holy thing ...
  • larand
    larand 16 November 2015 18: 49
    14
    Quote: Baikonur

    Well, until we forgive the Nazis? AND! What gates can such humiliations and abuses get into? Citizens of Russia, which increase housing and communal services tariffs, taxes, prices !!! What the hell ........... ????


    The delights of one-man rule. He didn't even ask his own people. And the waltzman "in gratitude" will now quickly bring his gangs down to Donbass. And in the rabbit, it turns out, words and deeds do not differ. All this is disgusting.
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 16 November 2015 20: 28
      -3
      The delights of one-man rule. He didn't even ask his own people. And the waltzman "in gratitude" will now quickly lower his gangs to Donbass
      Here are just Parashenko, not a rollman.
  • Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 16 November 2015 18: 54
    -3
    Quote: Baikonur
    Well, until we forgive the fascists?

    As long as necessary, until then we will
  • zao74
    zao74 16 November 2015 19: 01
    +4
    There are so many people on the site who do not know how to see, listen and think ... in short - fools who are ready to blame their leader without even hearing what he said. Well, I’ll decipher it for some and bring it to the attention of others: the President demanded a guarantee from the geysoy union and the IMF to repay the Ukrainian debt. That is, if they don’t pay, they pay a geyropa (and there is definitely nothing to pay Ukraine). But in the article about this for some reason not a word ... Strange.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 16 November 2015 19: 23
      16
      There are so many people on the site who do not know how to see, listen and think ... in short - fools who are ready to blame their leader without even hearing what he said. Well, I’ll decipher it for some and bring it to the attention of others: the President demanded a guarantee from the geysoy union and the IMF to repay the Ukrainian debt. That is, if they don’t pay, they pay a geyropa (and there is definitely nothing to pay Ukraine). But in the article about this for some reason not a word ... Strange.

      strange that there are "most fools". this alone does not do you credit. Our people, for the most part, are very well versed in who is "hu" Well, okay, OPINIONS are expressed here - you can not respect, but read more carefully MOST IS AGAINST NOT THIS DECISION, BUT A DOUBLE APPROACH TO THE DEBTS OF THEIR CITIZENS AND OUTSIDE, ALTHOUGH BROTHERS! AND ALSO AGAINST THE HUMILITY THAT WERE LAST MONTHS - WHAT WE WILL MAKE TO PAY!

      As was Lenin's article "One Step Forward, Two Steps Back" so it is with us with Ukraine. I'm not a communist, but something tells me - Ilyich was not so wrong
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 16 November 2015 19: 43
        +5
        Quote: Yuyuka
        and there are so many people on the site who do not know how to see, listen and think ... in short - fools who are ready to blame their leader without even hearing what he said. Well, I will decipher it for some and bring it to the attention of others:

        Dear, comments are on the content of the article. And there it was not said. This means an article with a sweetheart, and moderators who should not only cut off insults and insults, but I also get on such a deliberate article as this article. Therefore, there is nothing to water all the people, because not everyone is free to climb sites over time. Therefore, less arrogance, dear and sarcasm!
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 16 November 2015 20: 05
          +3
          Dear, comments are on the content of the article. And there it was not said. This means an article with a sweetheart, and moderators who should not only cut off insults and insults, but I also get on such a deliberate article as this article. Therefore, there is nothing to water all the people, because not everyone is free to climb sites over time. Therefore, less arrogance, dear and sarcasm!

          belay this is the first reaction to your comment
          laughing and only then this one! Oleg, read carefully and look at italics repeat

          finally these are not my words - mine a little lower minus is not mine, I will put a plus for you, because I support your comment on the QUOTE of a silent comment in my comment wassat
          hi
        2. zao74
          zao74 16 November 2015 20: 08
          0
          Answered above ...)))
      2. Saratovets
        Saratovets 16 November 2015 19: 46
        +4
        I fully support you about the dual approach, and this is precisely what causes anger, not anger
      3. zao74
        zao74 16 November 2015 20: 07
        +2
        "Since our partners are confident that the creditworthiness of the Ukrainian state will grow, we have no reason to doubt that we will receive even $ 3 billion next year, and if this is the case, then our partners have no fears to issue our guarantees on this. loan, "- said Putin at a press conference following the G20 summit.
        A supplement ... And you shouldn't be offended at the "fools", we are all like that - we live for a century, we learn ...
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 16 November 2015 20: 06
      +5
      People tend to hear (not listen), watch (not see), rant (not think) ... It’s more convenient to live, your head doesn’t hurt ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 16 November 2015 21: 55
        +4
        Quote: Karlovar
        People tend to hear (not listen), watch (not see), rant (not think) ... It’s more convenient to live, your head doesn’t hurt ...


        good
    3. Dr. Livesey
      Dr. Livesey 16 November 2015 20: 35
      -5
      Quote: zao74
      There are so many people on the site who do not know how to see, listen and think ... in short - fools

      For such a sharp-sighted, witty and thinking decoder and closer, there will always be a fraction of folk wisdom - Whoever is shorter - he sits and grows at home! And you will see the fool in the mirror!
    4. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 16 November 2015 23: 49
      0
      Quote: zao74
      Strange

      OXX Alexey,
      but how strange it is for me to look at the comments of people registered in 11, 12 13 years
      and a lot - leaked, surrendered, betrayed, down, revolution I don’t understand what request
      did the "conspirators" gather here before? lol
    5. larand
      larand 17 November 2015 05: 36
      0
      Quote: zao74
      The president demanded a guarantee from the geyrosoyuz and the IMF to repay the debt of Ukraine. That is, if they don’t pay, they pay a geyropa (and there is definitely nothing to pay Ukraine).

      We may be fools, but you are Mr. Marshal naive. Do you believe that these gay men can keep their promises ??? Just think of their commitment not to expand NATO.
  • Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 16 November 2015 19: 11
    +3
    I told you, our people give up!
    Blow there - uhh from there:
  • tomket
    tomket 16 November 2015 19: 14
    +4
    Quote: Baikonur
    We not only agreed to restructure the Ukrainian debt, but we

    Yaytsenyuk intimidated Putin .....
  • guzik007
    guzik007 16 November 2015 19: 16
    0
    Why are you, Baikonur, raging? all is good. You can't get rid of the budget deficit with kaklov - it will be much easier for us, "quilted jackets", to rip off in the form of road and others. Vova thinks strategically, hence the screams like "putinslldonbass". Vova plays chess. But not checkers and here we are not even pawns.

    R.S. right now, a "combat cheburek" will come running and explain to us, like: you deserve it, and take a full bast shoe.
  • Karlovar
    Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 34
    +2
    The people of Ukraine (45 million) are all fascists ???? If even half of them are not fascists, then it is worth fighting for their minds and hearts !!! And their doom to hunger, cold is not the best move in the struggle for the minds and hearts of Ukrainians ....
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 16 November 2015 20: 06
      +4
      Quote: Karlovar
      The people of Ukraine (45 million) are all fascists ???? If even half of them are not fascists, then it is worth fighting for their minds and hearts !!! And their doom to hunger, cold is not the best move in the struggle for the minds and hearts of Ukrainians ....

      Yes, the citizens of Ukraine from the forgiveness of the Russian debt, nothing is neither hot nor cold. Rather, they are already freezing. The communal apartment is such that the whole salary leaves. We give this money to plunder ukrobandera and other evil spirits, to kill citizens. And they take away from pensioners a pension budget of 1 trillion. does not converge, canceled the indexation of working retirees. Is it possible to take this calmly?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 November 2015 21: 10
      +2
      The population of Ukraine was 45 million before Maidown, and then decreased to 38 and the downward trend continues.
  • tolian
    tolian 16 November 2015 19: 57
    +2
    Why are you yelling? Who forgave the debt? He was pulled back with conditions, but for the IMF.
  • aleks700
    aleks700 16 November 2015 20: 12
    -1
    Not any payments on private bank loans. Let the money shake from Putin.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2015 21: 22
    +1
    Quote: Baikonur
    Well, until we forgive the fascists?

    your suggestions?
  • vorobey
    vorobey 16 November 2015 21: 29
    +3
    Quote: Baikonur
    I told you, our people give up!


    Che rammed outward ... but did you read all the restructuring conditions that our proposed ??
  • Rusich is not from Kiev
    Rusich is not from Kiev 17 November 2015 00: 43
    +1
    Quote: Baikonur
    Well, until we forgive the Nazis? AND! What gates can such humiliations and abuses get into? Citizens of Russia, which increase housing and communal services tariffs, taxes, prices !!! What the hell ........... ????

    So nobody was going to give it away or didn’t you know? Ukraine insisted on writing off almost 600 lyam, as everyone did. Putin simply transferred under guarantees; let them give these guarantees.
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 17 November 2015 00: 49
    0
    minus the author. can not be so. Why didn’t you write that all this will be done in exchange for receiving guarantees from the IVF, America or reliable European banks?
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 17 November 2015 00: 51
    -1
    Quote: Baikonur
    I told you, our people give up!

    and who told you that they are ours?
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  • Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 16 November 2015 19: 32
    0
    for labor, hussars .... etc. and so on
  • sssla
    sssla 16 November 2015 19: 38
    +9
    Quote: Angro Magno
    And how much squealing was!

    Quote: Baikonur
    I told you, our people give up!

    Quote: Angro Magno
    Interestingly, what will the witnesses of the BSP now?

    Quote: silinigo
    Yes .. raped dill GDP !!!

    Quote: Hon
    and this move is another gas discount

    Quote: torp
    This is not a move! This is a waste! And shameful !!

    Quote: 12345
    give credit, second move

    Quote: papas-57
    The rabbit may be in the process and did not participate, but it got it. Made our government and GDP.

    Quote: Hon
    and you can suck a paw

    Quote: Oleg147741
    Russians do not abandon their own. In this case, it sounds like a mockery

    Quote: Pulya
    In power prostitutes

    We only tremble and endure ...
    Really all Russia suffered?

    Where is our character

    Quote: Oleg147741
    The feeling that we are slaves. And the top only speaks with his tongue.

    Quote: larand
    He didn't even ask his own people. And the waltzman "in gratitude" will now quickly bring his gangs down to Donbass. And in the rabbit, it turns out, words and deeds do not differ. All this is disgusting.

    "Yesterday," in words, they shared all the glory with the president, but what did they share, IT IS THEY conceived to punish ISIS in Syria, and the guarantor was just a co-author in the second row! And today, as MYVOPEEIPUTINSKOMANDOYSLINASIMYRABY. As there in the comments "I AM PATSTALOM". Here is an operation called THINKING Amputin. And "tomorrow" it will not work, and all the sheep will immediately start bleating about the greatness of the MAO of All Russia. Eh you Pa Tsrioty (((No one forgave the debt, but only the terms were pushed back !!!
    1. andj61
      andj61 16 November 2015 20: 03
      +5
      Quote: sssla
      Here's an operation called THINKINGAMPUTINA. And "tomorrow" it will not work, and all the sheep will immediately start bleating about the greatness of the MAO of All Russia. Eh you Pa Tsrioty (((No one forgave the debt, but only the terms were pushed back !!!

      Moreover, for this postponement of terms, Russia will also receive interest!
      But the most interesting thing is that Putin has controlled the United States, the IMF and the EU. After all, a deferment is given only if any of these three guarantees are paid by Ukraine. And for them it seems to be simply impossible! bully hi
      1. tomket
        tomket 16 November 2015 20: 22
        +6
        Quote: andj61
        Moreover, for this postponement of terms, Russia will also receive interest!

        Did we get a lot of interest from the Mistrals? We have an all-forgiving guarantor.
        1. sssla
          sssla 18 November 2015 09: 34
          +1
          Quote: tomket
          Did we get a lot of interest from the Mistrals? We have an all-forgiving guarantor.

          Money returned for them ??
          But you could have ZERRO and you wouldn’t have done anything !!
          So it is with the duty of Ukraine!
          Relations with Russia break like rotten threads And where would you click ???
          And so the debt for a couple of three years and a percentage will return!
          So a hand on the pulse of business sovereign BUT do not hight you openly it!
      2. aleks700
        aleks700 16 November 2015 20: 35
        +3
        But the most interesting thing is that Putin has controlled the United States, the IMF and the EU. After all, a deferment is given only if any of these three guarantees are paid by Ukraine. And for them it seems to be simply impossible
        Yeah, guarantees like Yanukovych
        1. andj61
          andj61 16 November 2015 21: 02
          +3
          Quote: tomket
          Did we get a lot of interest from the Mistrals? We have an all-forgiving guarantor.

          Quote: aleks700
          Yeah, guarantees like Yanukovych

          1. For Mistrals, for example, I do not know the terms of the original contract or the terms of its termination. request If you know, please share! hi It is very easy to criticize and say that we lost something there, someone was forgiven very easily - these are not bags to turn over!
          2. Nobody gave financial guarantees to Yanukovych, these were political guarantees. and this is a huge distance! In order for this guarantee to be realized, he "only" had to sit in the president's chair! He did not succeed, NOBODY in his country wanted to stand up for him. And the Europeans did not have any sense or desire to stand up for him. The warranty has been canceled. request
          And here we are talking about a FINANCIAL guarantee. This is a completely different matter! Under the financial guarantee of the United States or the European Union, a bunch of banks in their beaks will bring grannies to us, and they will also have a margin at the expense of the client - Ukraine. Something like this! bully hi
    2. tomket
      tomket 16 November 2015 20: 21
      +5
      Quote: sssla
      Oh, you Pa Tsriota (((Nobody forgave the debt, but just pushed the deadlines !!!

      They pushed back the assault on Berlin for a couple of three years. And a couple of tank divisions threw the Wehrmacht, so that they would not be sitting barefoot on the Zeelovsky heights.
      1. wild
        wild 16 November 2015 20: 35
        0
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: sssla
        Oh, you Pa Tsriota (((Nobody forgave the debt, but just pushed the deadlines !!!

        They pushed back the assault on Berlin for a couple of three years. And a couple of tank divisions threw the Wehrmacht, so that they would not be sitting barefoot on the Zeelovsky heights.

        And the negotiations were held in Bern. And they also planted a havchik so that they wouldn’t die and the coal so as not to freeze.
    3. guzik007
      guzik007 16 November 2015 20: 23
      +5
      (Nobody forgave the debt, but only delayed the deadlines !!!

      in the 90s I remember, they didn’t push anything back ...
    4. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 16 November 2015 20: 30
      0
      I join your words +++
    5. vorobey
      vorobey 16 November 2015 21: 51
      +6
      Quote: sssla
      Oh, you Pa Tsriota (((Nobody forgave the debt, but just pushed the deadlines !!!



      That's how the people are checked ... Moreover, not only the deadlines were moved, but they also demanded clear guarantees either from the USA or from Germany or the European Union or from the IMF ... I want to see the one who dares to give such a guarantee .. good and finally pay for the banquet, because they can force us to rewrite the rules of the IMF, but they are unlikely to force them to give guarantees .. and they themselves will sit down exactly ... so once again the GDP poked everyone's face ..
    6. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 16 November 2015 23: 58
      0
      Quote: sssla
      Oh you Pa Tsriota

      good + + + + +
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 16 November 2015 20: 40
    +1
    Again backtracking before ukrami. how tired it all is.
    Next year we’ll also get a cookie. then the same thing, is it really not clear
  • Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin 16 November 2015 22: 24
    +2
    Now Ukrainian "political scientists" will laugh at us at Soloviev's "guests".
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 17 November 2015 00: 46
      0
      We got excited here seem a little. It seems to me all the rules. GDP wants to take guarantees, it’s better than to be left completely without money.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 17 November 2015 14: 39
    0
    As for the debt of Ukraine, Yevgeny Fedorov explained well, listen from 1: 10.00.

  • 79807420129
    79807420129 16 November 2015 18: 12
    57
    Damn even reluctant to comment, damn how vile at heart the next Vasiliev goes free, pah damn go get drunk, there are no more printed words.
    1. demo
      demo 16 November 2015 18: 17
      33
      Yes.
      Forgive one debt.
      Another, enema, American government bonds are intensely buying up.
      Well, where are we going !?
      1. silinigo
        silinigo 16 November 2015 18: 35
        16
        October 1917 th ..
        1. 34 region
          34 region 16 November 2015 18: 58
          +7
          Do we have Lenin? Who will we follow? What party program?
          1. GOgaRu
            GOgaRu 16 November 2015 19: 31
            +1
            Do we have Lenin? Who will we follow? What party program?

            RCP (b)
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar 16 November 2015 20: 09
            +1
            Bulk is, Kasparov is, Nadezhdin is, Gozman is, Svanidze is, PozDner is ... The choice is huge!
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 16 November 2015 20: 40
              0
              Quote: Karlovar
              Bulk is, Kasparov is, Nadezhdin is, Gozman is, Svanidze is, PozDner is ... The choice is huge!


              announce, please, the whole list ... I will record ... wassat
            2. sherp2015
              sherp2015 16 November 2015 21: 16
              +4
              Quote: Karlovar
              Bulk is, Kasparov is, Nadezhdin is, Gozman is, Svanidze is, PozDner is ... The choice is huge!


              This is a list of whom to the wall?
            3. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 17 November 2015 00: 04
              +1
              Quote: Karlovar
              The choice is huge!

              so irina so laughing
              here you have the revolutionaries tongue
        2. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 16 November 2015 19: 00
          -2
          Quote: silinigo
          October 1917 th ..

          Iii?
    2. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 16 November 2015 18: 24
      10
      Quote: 79807420129
      pah damn go go get drunk, no more printed words.

      So they achieve this, so that we get drunk and turn into pigs.
    3. Rrrj
      Rrrj 16 November 2015 18: 58
      +1
      Quote: 79807420129
      ... damn how disgusting at heart ...

      Hmm - there is such - as in dermo trampled - morons bl @ db.
      Although I will say this, the question here is complex, I will briefly:
      1) disassembly is underway in Syria - therefore there is no possibility of both technical and financial for the second front,
      2) which front - in Ukraine ...
      3) why this front may appear - dill have nothing to lose after default - they will raise a butch - but now they have the strength;
      4) we get involved with the smoke - and the debt stopudovo is written off ... since this is already the warring parties + the noise ... ...;
      5) what is the option - at least somehow delay this time, and at the same time wrest at least some money.
      P.S. I’ll only add that we’re not going to good ... here they are imposing a game on us - and we are trying to get out of it ... I feel the backseat that everything can end badly.
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 16 November 2015 20: 39
        0
        5) what is the option - at least somehow delay until this time, and at the same time break at least some money
        Yeah. What place are we pulling? Last April, one had to think, but there was nothing and no one.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 16 November 2015 18: 13
    +8
    I wonder if the state is ready, in the person of, for example, Gazprom, “not to receive any money” from the Russians, who declare that they don’t want to pay their bills this year, but they want to postpone all payments for two, two, three ...

    And it is right ! What are ordinary Russians against another state?
    And there is nothing to consider, so we will pay as Ukraine!
    The state is ready for this!
    We are ready to not get any money at all this year, and to get a billion next year, another billion in 2017 and another billion in 2018.
    1. Vend
      Vend 16 November 2015 18: 16
      29
      I do not know what the president wants to achieve in this move. I hope I don’t know something. But at the moment I think this is not the best move. Now the screech will rise that Russia has been scared. Is that bad. We do not need the billions that come later. And will they come?
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 16 November 2015 18: 25
        12
        Quote: Wend
        I hope I don’t know something.

        I, too, am persuading myself strenuously in this, especially the activation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      2. captain
        captain 16 November 2015 18: 26
        19
        It seems to me citizens that Yatsenyuk defeated us. Here you have a rabbit. And we forgive everyone and everything, only our state, our banks and our most humane court in the world do not forgive us. I think that Ukraine and with association with the EU will tilt us, we will snuggle and deflate. And how it all started beautifully on TV. And we will index all our pensions to our citizens by 4%, there is no money.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 16 November 2015 19: 09
          +8
          Quote: captain
          Here you have a rabbit.

          Ay yes Senya, ah yes, with a son!
        2. Irokez
          Irokez 16 November 2015 19: 59
          0
          Quote: captain
          It seems to me citizens that Yatsenyuk defeated us.

          No, Mr. Captain not us (Russia), but you personally.
      3. anfil
        anfil 16 November 2015 18: 34
        17
        Quote: Wend
        I do not know what the president wants to achieve in this move. I hope I don’t know something. But at the moment I think this is not the best move. Now the screech will rise that Russia has been scared. Is that bad. We do not need the billions that come later. And will they come?


        Well, would have gone bankrupt 404, then what !? A court for several years to return the same 3 lards, and now Putin seems to suggest a tricky move to take the same lords for 1 lards a year, but these payments should be guaranteed by the USA or the EU or other reputable banks. YES YOU ATTENTION TO THINK, if 404 does not pay it will not be necessary to sue, the guarantor of this debt will be paid.

        In the article, not all of Putin’s proposal is presented for review and discussion, see the original to the end.

        “We are ready not to receive any money this year, and to receive a billion next year - in 2016, in 2017 - another billion, and in 2018 - one more billion,” the Russian president added.

        “Since our partners are confident that the creditworthiness of the Ukrainian state will grow, we have no reason to doubt that we will receive even 3 billion dollars next year, and if so, then there is no fear from our partners to put our guarantees on this loan, ”Putin said.

        “We asked for such guarantees either from the US government or the EU, or from one of the reputable international financial institutions. Moreover, we hope that this issue will be resolved before the beginning of December of the current year, determined by the IMF work schedule, ”the Russian leader emphasized.
        1. Viktortopwar
          Viktortopwar 16 November 2015 18: 54
          +8
          To ask for guarantees does not mean to receive them, and if they do, it does not mean that they will be fulfilled. The West is such a West ...
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 16 November 2015 20: 17
          +9
          Quote: anfil
          “Since our partners are confident that the creditworthiness of the Ukrainian state will grow, we have no reason to doubt that we will receive even 3 billion dollars next year, and if so, then there is no fear from our partners to put our guarantees on this loan, ”Putin said.

          “We asked for such guarantees either from the US government or the EU, or from one of the reputable international financial institutions. Moreover, we hope that this issue will be resolved before the beginning of December of the current year, determined by the IMF work schedule, ”the Russian leader emphasized.

          I have a question for the author of the article; -Why did you tear out such an important piece of GDP speech, it smells very bad, didn’t expect this from VO, didn’t expect it, although I have been registered for a relatively long time, but I’ve been reading topwar.ru since June 2012.
        3. Karlovar
          Karlovar 16 November 2015 20: 18
          +4
          People do not bother reading, in the sense of comprehending what they read ... Most, I think, read the headlines, we need to have time to finish the comments as soon as possible ..
        4. aleks700
          aleks700 16 November 2015 20: 43
          0
          YES YOU ATTENTION TO THINK, if 404 does not pay it will not be necessary to sue, the guarantor of this debt will be paid.
          Yes, what the hell guarantee?
      4. Sid.74
        Sid.74 16 November 2015 18: 35
        14
        Sharing the risks with the IMF ... hmm ... is that how? Putin spoke with Lagarde on G-20, which is interesting to know. what
        It is clear that Ukraine has no money now ... but what is the use of this for us?
        On the other hand, the electric branch in the Crimea has not yet reached. Therefore, this may be subject to bargaining.
        There are no details ... but you need to know the details.what

        Ha, now read ... Vova troll 80 leveled.
        For the Ukrainian debt must give guarantees to the US and the EU .... -You believe in the growth of the Ukrainian economy! So you can give such guarantees.laughing
        And Obama endorsed the role of videoconferencing in Syria.
        And yet .. Oland should meet in the coming days with Obama and Putin to unite the positions.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 16 November 2015 18: 53
          +7
          Quote: Sid.74
          On the other hand, the electric branch in the Crimea has not yet reached. Therefore, this may be subject to bargaining.

          Putin did not bargain with Ukrainians.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 16 November 2015 18: 57
            +7
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Putin did not bargain with Ukrainians.

            What about bargaining with them? There was a conversation with their masters, with Lagard, Obama and Merkel. They now have to give guarantees.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 16 November 2015 19: 03
          +4
          Ukraine has no money. But sponsors have money. So we will milk the sponsors.
        3. veksha50
          veksha50 16 November 2015 19: 54
          +3
          Quote: Sid.74
          Ha read it now ... Vova the troll 80 left.



          Well, I’ve already analyzed it myself, and I saw some advantages ...

          I immediately said that the article was written one-sided, or rather, a context that was advantageous for an unnamed author was torn out ...
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 16 November 2015 20: 31
            +9
            Quote: veksha50
            I immediately said that the article was written one-sided, or rather, a context that was advantageous for an unnamed author was torn out ...

            And torn intentionally, the author would ask why he did it.
        4. Karlovar
          Karlovar 16 November 2015 20: 20
          +3
          There can be a lot of objects of bargaining, but on the topic of Syria and Ukraine, the cat is clear ...
      5. nerd.su
        nerd.su 16 November 2015 18: 56
        +6
        Quote: Wend
        We do not need the billions that come later. And will they come?

        Are they coming now? Yatsenyuk and Co. do not have them. Would it just be easier for you if Ukraine declared a moratorium on our debt? Would default warm your soul? Type jumped adversaries, you rating down to default lowered laughing
        Just what would we get from this default? The IMF would continue to finance Ukraine, and Ukraine would continue to "moratorium". Because, you see, she tried to negotiate a restructuring, and the creditor is not negotiable. And now, if they come to an agreement, the United States, Europe and the IMF, you look at three, will find an extra billion each to pay us off.
        1. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 16 November 2015 20: 19
          +3
          Yeah, ssssssss! They came running and landed in the beak of the village of Vova.
          Do you believe it yourself?
          It has been more than once. All of this is Merkel, the Öland and others promised that if the GDP persuades New Russia to peace, then the sanctions will not only be lifted, but they will not be introduced. So what? As soon as the GDP scored 10 points and the process began, the geyropeytsy voted for new sanctions.
          How much can you step on the same rake. Nobody is going to fulfill any guarantees in relation to Russia.
          “Soft power” of GDP is perceived by all as frank weakness, and with weak power, there is only one - no obligations under previous promises.
          Something like this I think
          1. aleks700
            aleks700 16 November 2015 20: 50
            -1
            Yeah, ssssssss! They came running and landed in the beak of the village of Vova.
            Do you believe it yourself?
            Believe comrade she will rise from captivating happiness. I agree with you. We are all kidanuli. But Vova ... Yes, he does not care.
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 16 November 2015 21: 41
            0
            Quote: Kuzyakin15
            Yeah, ssssssss! They came running and landed in the beak of the village of Vova.
            Do you believe it yourself?

            Where will they go?

            Quote: Kuzyakin15
            It has been more than once.

            Well, list the cases when Europe or the USA did not pay for their obligations and guarantees?
            Sanctions are sanctions, and money is money.

            Quote: Kuzyakin15
            How much can you step on the same rake. Nobody is going to fulfill any guarantees in relation to Russia.

            Once again - examples where the Europeans did not comply with written, legally binding guarantees and obligations in relation to Russia? And how did it end for them? In my opinion, Hitler was the last, so they brought to suicide.

            Quote: Kuzyakin15
            “Soft power” of GDP is perceived by all as frank weakness, and with weak power, there is only one - no obligations under previous promises.
            Something like this I think

            Who is all this? And what does the promise have to do with it? Promises and guarantees in the form of documents - things are different.

            Somehow you think childish.
      6. Karlovar
        Karlovar 16 November 2015 20: 15
        +1
        A year ago, everyone angrily condemned and shouted, not for a second doubting their "perspicacity": Putin, the president, send troops to Donbass, that is, declare war on the state of Ukraine, let the Russian troops get bogged down in endless battles with the Bandera guerrilla movement (to which all would join residents of Ukraine) to make Afghan seem like child's play!
    2. perm23
      perm23 16 November 2015 18: 24
      +1
      To do this, you must not love your country, spread all kinds of rumors about it, declare the aggressor.
    3. guzik007
      guzik007 16 November 2015 19: 21
      +8
      I wonder if the state is ready, in the person of, for example, Gazprom, “not to receive any money” from the Russians, who declare that they don’t want to pay their bills this year, but they want to postpone all payments for two, two, three ...


      Yeah! a month later, the brigade will lock up and block my gas and FSU ... freeze! ... until you pay! Ah paid? What-oh-oh !? to plug!??? And you payerich pay a friend separately for the connection !!!
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 16 November 2015 21: 24
        +2
        Quote: guzik007
        I wonder if the state is ready, in the person of, for example, Gazprom, “not to receive any money” from the Russians, who declare that they don’t want to pay their bills this year, but they want to postpone all payments for two, two, three ...


        Yeah! a month later, the brigade will lock up and block my gas and FSU ... freeze!
        09.09.2015 In Balashov district of Saratov region there was a raid to disconnect subscribers who have debts for gas from the gas supply system.
        As noted by Gazprom Mezhregiongaz Saratov, the company's specialists are engaged in the fight against non-payments on a daily basis, however, to date, the total amount of subscribers' debt for consumed gas has exceeded RUB 700 million. At the same time, more than 20 thousand residents of the region were disconnected from the gas supply system for the total amount of debt - 211 million rubles.
        http://news.sarbc.ru/main/2015/09/09/174090.html

        10.09.2015/8000/XNUMX In the Belgorod Region, gas dealers cut off more than XNUMX subscribers from non-payment networks.
        http://www.bel.ru/news/region/2015/09/10/909544.html

        07.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX In nine districts of the Kuban, gas was turned off for non-payment.
        Since October 5, Gazprom Mezhregiongaz Krasnodar has cut off gas supplies to 9 municipalities of the region due to debts of power engineers.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 16 November 2015 18: 20
    22
    Summary of the social and military situation in the DPR

    (part I)

    I'll start with the social network. Prices for food and essential goods are slowly growing, only not many products have fallen in price, but mainly prices are rising. But in pharmacies, on the contrary, the leadership of the republic managed to stop the price increase, and the price decreased for some items. But all this is a drop in the ocean. The promised increase in pensions by 30% did not happen. This is understandable, we are sitting on the neck of Russia, we are not paying taxes there, since we are not a constituent entity of the Russian Federation, but 2,5 billion rubles are allocated from the Russian budget for paying only pensions. Thank you so much! But in Russia now you yourself know the economic situation.

    Regarding pensions, 80% of pensioners in our country receive two pensions - Ukrainian and Russian, as we call them. Although the leadership calls the Russian pension, help, but this help a penny in a penny coincides with the pension that Ukraine gives out. In general, Ukraine has not been giving out pensions here for more than a year here, motivating that the money will go to the "fighters". A. Zakharchenko, after being elected to the post of head, said: “This is your earned pension, take it away from Ukraine, while there is an opportunity to take it away.” Our people, by all sorts of tricks, and more often bribes, got on buses and took shape as immigrants in different regions of Ukraine, mainly Zaporizhzhya, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov. We went there several times and there for a bribe, sometimes without, we took out at different addresses. That is, for example, in a 5-storey building, instead of 40 families residing on the pension fund, 1500-2000 families were recorded. Etc. Ukraine began to put sticks in wheels, supposedly register in the Ministry of Emergencies as immigrants or bring two residents of the neighbors. In short, Kiev comes up with all this, but for a bribe of 1600 rubles, everything is done on the ground. Moreover, you don’t even have to go from Donetsk, the employees of the pension fund themselves come to Donetsk to collect a package of documents, for example, from 200 pensioners and they bring this package and draw up it themselves. He witnessed one case in the pension fund of the city of Zaporozhye, when a crush began in the crowd and people squeezed out the door. The boss came out and said: “Are these pensioners from Donetsk?” If your old people demolish everything, what will happen when the sons of the militia arrive? The Ukrainian army has no chance! ” Laughter swept through the crowd.

    While traveling by bus, nine block posts passed one way and nine block posts back. The first block is the post of the Armed Forces, the next two are the National Guard, and then there are 7 checkpoints of the Right Sector.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 16 November 2015 18: 20
      20
      At the AFU checkpoint - it’s dirty, underwear and pants hang dry after washing, everywhere there are some kind of bags, dirt. The soldiers themselves are in terrible condition, uniforms (not winter ones), torn. There are trenches and dugouts, at the bottom of which are also all sorts of cans and bags dirty. Two BMP-2 buried in the tower. Soldiers with machine guns and machine guns are grenade launchers. The soldiers themselves are without armored vehicles and helmets, but there are many shops for machine guns and grenades. People on buses behave easily and correctly. These will fight.

      Then there are two checkpoints of the National Guard - everything is clean, American uniforms, helmets, armor plates, knee pads and elbow pieces, even black American lanterns, walkie-talkies. There is no equipment at all, from heavy weapons one machine gun for 12 National Guard. There are no trenches, not even concrete blocks. On soldiers on 4 shops to the machine gun, there are grenades. They do not stay for the night, they are brought by a school bus. People on buses behave nervously. These will run at the first cannonade.

      Then the PS checkpoint block, again dirty, they are mainly located at the former traffic police posts. They look like drunks, not shaved and not tidy, who are dressed in what much. Banks are standing asking for help with money, blocks are with inscriptions on Putin and Russia. There is no equipment, there are a couple of jeeps, but without a heavy. weapons. PS militants have machine guns and 2 stores each, no grenades. The commander has a walkie-talkie and a machine gun and unloading with 4 stores. They behave impudently and rudely with people on buses. These will tell everyone that they fought! They will run from positions faster than the National Guard.

      In Zaporozhye itself, ordinary people and workers, and even some bosses, are very kind and understanding towards retirees. Many asked when the DNI and LC will go on the offensive?

      All patience and health!
      1. sssla
        sssla 16 November 2015 19: 44
        +5
        Quote: Sith Lord
        At the AFU checkpoint - it’s dirty, underwear and pants hang dry after washing

        Both in clothes and in their souls DIRTY !!!!
      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 16 November 2015 20: 56
        +4
        Thank you Sergey, as always, it’s nice to read from your comments. yes
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    2. guzik007
      guzik007 16 November 2015 19: 25
      +4
      Lord of the sith
      While traveling by bus, nine block posts passed one way and nine block posts back. The first block is the post of the Armed Forces, the next two are the National Guard, and then there are 7 checkpoints of the Right Sector.

      You know, not everything is so complicated here, but you won’t believe it! prices are rising even faster than yours ...
  • wild
    wild 16 November 2015 18: 20
    -4
    From the very beginning I knew that Putin would merge, and I spoke about this more than once. Recently, I categorically do not understand the country's leadership, maybe the West is right ???
    1. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 16 November 2015 18: 29
      17
      Putin did not merge, but caught the west in a trap. See Putin’s press approach. We will restructure the debt if you give WARRANTIES FOR UKRAINE. The author is a provocateur.
      1. Hon
        Hon 16 November 2015 18: 45
        12
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        Putin did not merge, but caught the west in a trap. See Putin’s press approach. We will restructure the debt if you give WARRANTIES FOR UKRAINE. The author is a provocateur.

        only these three billion were originally given under IMF guarantees. Now what is the warranty on the warranty? but the time will come to pay, they will again give guarantees instead of money. so they will guarantee ten years, and then so and so we will write off the debt. mnogohodovochka.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 16 November 2015 19: 59
          +4
          Quote: Hon
          only these three billion are already were originally given under IMF guarantees. Now what is the warranty on the warranty?


          Not really ... Guys, maybe someone will remember that there (or who) in London was the guarantor of this debt ???

          Remind me, please, forgot and do not know where to find this information ...
      2. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 16 November 2015 18: 50
        +7
        And where are the guarantors of debt from the UK, why is everyone silent about them? Or are the guarantors also not going to fulfill their duties and have reviewed them, just like the IMF?
      3. guzik007
        guzik007 16 November 2015 19: 32
        +2
        Putin did not merge, but caught the west in a trap ...

        Bugaga! of course trapped ...
        It’s just that the West is not aware of the GREAT COMPENSATORY MECHANISM of Russia, which consists in the patience of our people, which implies the people’s forgiveness for the government’s forgiveness by stretching its tanned skin.
        Only the skin has a tensile limit ...
        Oh, Vova, don’t miss the moment ...
      4. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 16 November 2015 20: 14
        +5
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        if you give WARRANTIES FOR UKRAINE

        The President noted that the Russian authorities hope to receive guarantees of repayment of debt from the US government, or from the authorities of the European Union, or from one of the "reputable financial institutions", and expects that the issue will be resolved before the beginning of December.

        «If our partners believe that the creditworthiness of Ukraine will increase, and we are convinced of this, then they believe in it, and if they believe, then let them give guarantees. And if they are unable to give guarantees, then they don’t believe in the future of the Ukrainian economy ”- Putin told reporters.

        Read more at RBC:
        http://www.rbc.ru/politics/16/11/2015/5649e9b79a79478c4cc73a6c
    2. silinigo
      silinigo 16 November 2015 18: 37
      +2
      And who said that IT leads ?? He doesn’t give a damn about us ...
    3. Irokez
      Irokez 16 November 2015 18: 58
      +1
      Quote: wild
      I knew from the very beginning that Putin will merge

      You really are wild.
    4. Sega66
      Sega66 16 November 2015 19: 09
      +4
      Probably match the nickname.
    5. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 16 November 2015 19: 46
      +5
      Quote: wild
      I knew from the very beginning that Putin will merge

      I don’t quite like his decision, but I don’t agree about merging! I still believe him!
    6. aleks700
      aleks700 16 November 2015 20: 55
      -9
      maybe the west is right ???
      What gdp rot yes. Right
  • Petr1
    Petr1 16 November 2015 18: 21
    14
    The President noted that the Russian authorities hope to receive guarantees of debt repayment from the US government, or from the EU authorities, or from one of the "reputable financial institutions" and hopes that the issue will be resolved before early December.

    All the same, we would not have received this money from Ukraine (default), and so if anyone goes for them as guarantors, then maybe we will agree and will not demand it. And who wants to go as a guarantor? :)
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 16 November 2015 18: 22
    0
    Quote: Angro Magno
    And how much squealing was! Bankrupt, arrange a default! No concessions! They sold the collectors, and those from the outskirts will lower the last skin!

    Our just crap from the statements of the scent egg. Yes, and to see the amperes threatened with something.
    1. Loner_53
      Loner_53 16 November 2015 18: 43
      +2
      Quote: Oleg147741
      . Yes, and to see the amperes threatened with something.

      Maybe someone else’s wallet was found? repeat
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 16 November 2015 18: 22
    11
    In a couple of days the experts will go to speak out about another "cunning plan of Putin". De, "not everything seems so", "but in fact ...", "it turns out awfully!" The transport tax came to me. I’ll postpone it for three years, since you are "Ready to not get any money this year."
    Interestingly, the experts calculated: how many percent of Putin’s rating was cut off by this statement?
    1. ssergn
      ssergn 16 November 2015 18: 59
      +2
      if you are ready, that bailiffs will come to you, or a bankruptcy petition - to the welk.
    2. Sega66
      Sega66 16 November 2015 19: 15
      +2
      If you bring a note from Obama or Lagarde, with payment guarantees, you can wait 10 years.
  • Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 16 November 2015 18: 23
    20
    When I heard on TV that
    The President of Russia announced a decision on the restructuring of Ukrainian debt
    , already gritted his teeth from rabies.
    And then he listened to the end, and laughed for a long time, it seems we again raped everyone.
    We are ready to not get any money at all this year, and to get a billion next year, another billion in 2017 and another billion in 2018.

    - That's just that the speech doesn’t break off ....... The author would be kind enough to put the speech to the end and do not mislead people!
    Further, the president said: -If the United States or any major European bank vouchs for this, and if Ukraine does not pay, it will indemnify Russia, because here no one doubts the success of the Ukrainian economy. Thin trolling, STEP AND MAT!
    1. anfil
      anfil 16 November 2015 18: 46
      +4
      And how thin their trolls are:

      “Since our partners are confident that the creditworthiness of the Ukrainian state will grow, then we have no reason to doubt that we will receive even 3 billion dollars next year, and if so, then our partners have no fears to put up our guarantees for this loan ”- said Putin.
    2. Oprychnik
      Oprychnik 16 November 2015 18: 57
      +3
      Such statements are not made off the bat. Previous statements should be considered as elements of bargaining, concessions are made after receiving appropriate preferences from the interested parties. Who would be better off if Ukraine "declared" a default? Then this debt would definitely hang in the air for a completely indefinite time, for sure more than 3 declared years.
      Additionally, payments for many other obligations would cease.
      Here everyone is waving their checkers, their heads are being chopped off virtually, complete "zrada" here, no worse than in Ukropostan. Don't worry, those who are responsible for this would rather steal this money than give it to anyone. And the "swashbucklers" will definitely not get anything here ...)))
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 16 November 2015 19: 06
      +1
      Quote: Ramzaj99
      Thin trolling, STEP AND MAT!

      Where to laugh?
      Where is the benefit?
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 16 November 2015 20: 20
        +1
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Where to laugh? Where is the benefit?

        For those who are in a helmet, I will explain on the fingers.
        These 3 lard now from Ukraine can not be obtained in any case. They have 3 crusts of fat in their budget, and those mice eat up. And even if there was money, they will NEVER give it back while they have a roof in the form of the USA. And now in Europe, an incomprehensible movement has begun in arbitration courts, on Ukraine's non-recognition of debt as a state. In this case, no money at all.
        And now guarantees, the same USA and Europe, are being knocked out under this money, and if Ukraine refuses to pay (and they refuse), the guarantors of the agreement will reimburse the money.
        Russia, in turn, loses only that, this money will come not in one tranche, but in three, within 3 years. And nobody has yet canceled interest on debt.
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    4. Turkir
      Turkir 16 November 2015 20: 00
      +3
      Further, the president said: - IF the United States or any major European bank vouch for this, and if Ukraine does not pay, indemnify Russia, because here no one doubts the success of the Ukrainian economy.

      The irony is hidden, subtle, inconspicuous, Mocking.
      -------------
      After all, here no one doubts the success of the Ukrainian economy?
      Who does not doubt, let him vouch.
      Has anyone already vouched? That is the whole question.
      Let's wait.
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    6. ssergn
      ssergn 17 November 2015 06: 21
      +1
      Good morning everyone. Again I will bring my five cents.

      The fact is that there is one caveat - in this situation, the Russian Federation has every chance of getting the full amount of debt next year. This will happen if the debtor (Ukraine) delays the payment of the first payment, simply in this case the creditor (RF) has the right to contact the guarantors for the entire amount of the debt and not wait for the next delay. This is the time.
      And here is the quote from gazeta.ru "Russia offered Ukraine to restructure $ 3 billion of debt, namely, to repay $ 1 billion a year from 2016 to 2018 under guarantees from the US and the EU. In exchange for concessions on the Ukrainian issue, the US may ratify by the end of the year reform of the IMF, which will strengthen the weight of the BRICS countries in the fund. " And these are two.
      If the IMF reform is also being sold under this case, then I don’t even know what to call it, since the USA has successfully sabotaged the reform for more than a year. hi
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  • Alexkorzun
    Alexkorzun 16 November 2015 18: 26
    25
    Gentlemen, gentlemen, awww. The article is a pure provocation !!!

    Everything about her is true, not a word of lies. One thing is, she did not finish what Putin said:
    "..... on one condition: since we were assured that Ukraine will settle with us for sure next year, then there is no risk. So nothing prevents the countries that are bothering to GIVE GUARANTEES FOR UKRAINE. There is no risk no."


    (The author of the article is dishonest, I won’t believe that he didn’t know about the ending of Putin’s affair)

    PS Looked through the comments below: gentlemen, it's not a shame, yesterday the president was raised up, and today you are pouring mud ... Check out his interview on this issue, just look carefully, he said clearly: "ready to restructure IF you give guarantees for them"

    Westerners were caught, Putin first questioned them in turn, everyone said, come on, everything will be fine. And today said - ready, sign up for them, you said that everything will be fine.
    Refuse guarantees for Ukraine - admit that the scammers tried to breed Vova into money. To give guarantees - to get on the headstock ourselves, no one will return anything.
    1. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 16 November 2015 18: 30
      +9
      Who cares? Warranties, no guarantees ... From what lyad installment plan for three years? I want it too!
      1. Sega66
        Sega66 16 November 2015 19: 20
        0
        With any installment plan, there are still rabid mandatory interest, mandatory for payment. Doubts take that such an installment plan for yourself will want.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 16 November 2015 18: 51
      +7
      Quote: Alexkorzun
      So there is nothing stopping you from issuing a guarantee for Ukraine

      Well, yes, the sponsors of the ukrofascist regime will give you any promises and will write receipts / with joy that they have once again divorced suckers /. Gentleman = master of his word. May give the gentleman's word, or may take him back.
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 17 November 2015 06: 27
        +3
        But no. Financial guarantees are documents recognized by international arbitration. Such a guarantee is not a letter, not a piece of paper. This is, first of all, the obligation to pay the debt by someone, prescribed in the budget of the guarantor's country.
    3. Vend
      Vend 16 November 2015 18: 52
      +4
      Quote: Alexkorzun
      Gentlemen, gentlemen, awww. The article is a pure provocation !!!

      Everything about her is true, not a word of lies. One thing is, she did not finish what Putin said:
      "..... on one condition: since we were assured that Ukraine will settle with us for sure next year, then there is no risk. So nothing prevents the countries that are bothering to GIVE GUARANTEES FOR UKRAINE. There is no risk no."


      (The author of the article is dishonest, I won’t believe that he didn’t know about the ending of Putin’s affair)

      PS Looked through the comments below: gentlemen, it's not a shame, yesterday the president was raised up, and today you are pouring mud ... Check out his interview on this issue, just look carefully, he said clearly: "ready to restructure IF you give guarantees for them"

      Westerners were caught, Putin first questioned them in turn, everyone said, come on, everything will be fine. And today said - ready, sign up for them, you said that everything will be fine.
      Refuse guarantees for Ukraine - admit that the scammers tried to breed Vova into money. To give guarantees - to get on the headstock ourselves, no one will return anything.

      If my memory serves me well, then the United States gave guarantees that NATO would not move east. Was the guarantee met? This is also what to ask a wolf not to eat a sheep. I do not blame the president, I just say that this is not the best move. But in my opinion, the best guarantee would be to transfer the territory of the gas transmission system to the ownership of Russia. And while Ukraine does not pay its debt, this territory will belong to Russia. And Russia will not pay for gas transit. In my opinion, this is a better offer than guarantees of the West. The desire to get back the gas transmission system will force Ukraine to collect debt in a year. Here, transit will not be interrupted and gas will not be stolen. Thank you for completing the interview.
      1. Sega66
        Sega66 16 November 2015 19: 24
        +3
        These guarantees were in words for Gorbachev; here, without a piece of paper, the IMF will not crawl through.
        1. Vend
          Vend 16 November 2015 21: 32
          0
          Quote: Sega66
          These guarantees were in words for Gorbachev; here, without a piece of paper, the IMF will not crawl through.

          Let's see what will happen next
      2. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 16 November 2015 19: 48
        +9
        I do not blame the president, I just say that this is not the best move.
        I fully support it - the options were less losing, especially if such a decision was foreseen, it was necessary to prepare its adoption in the media. And so ... It's like losing a hockey team in the final - it is incomprehensible and disgusting to heart - after all, there were all chances!
        Yes, and I, frankly, did not notice that the president was so reviled. Everyone was outraged by the notorious policy of double standards - if their citizens similarly received indulgences in the form of payment deferrals due to a difficult situation - well, they still see the country hard, everyone is hard, but no one whines - everyone understands perfectly well, we must survive this time, but! when the whole burden falls on those who are already making ends meet, and with the tightening of penalties for delays, for non-payment of communal apartments somehow this is not a partnership on the part of "national treasures" hi
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 16 November 2015 21: 03
          +8
          Quote: Yuyuka
          but! when the whole burden falls on those who are already making ends meet, and with the tightening of penalties for delays, for non-payment of communal apartments somehow this is not a partnership on the part of "national treasures"

          This is where the author played, pulled out the most important piece of the president’s speech and tied to this painful topic of paying utility bills, fines and interest. Look at what everything is done in the comments now, everyone is ready to rush to the joy of dill and Obama. The article is purely provocative.
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 16 November 2015 20: 06
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        If my memory serves me well, then the United States gave guarantees that NATO would not move east. Was the guarantee met?


        Eeeeeh, unfortunately, all these are words ... They said to Mishka - he took it on faith ... They said to Borka - that’s all for the drum, since he was the best German in Europe ... For some reason there is not a single document guaranteeing NATO to the borders of Russia is still not found ...
        1. Vend
          Vend 17 November 2015 09: 44
          +1
          Quote: veksha50
          Quote: Wend
          If my memory serves me well, then the United States gave guarantees that NATO would not move east. Was the guarantee met?


          Eeeeeh, unfortunately, all these are words ... They said to Mishka - he took it on faith ... They said to Borka - that’s all for the drum, since he was the best German in Europe ... For some reason there is not a single document guaranteeing NATO to the borders of Russia is still not found ...

          Your argument is clear. According to the Mistrals were all papers, but what happened? Yes, we financially won, but ... What will prevent the same guarantors from refusing guarantees for some political event? Nothing
    4. sherp2015
      sherp2015 16 November 2015 19: 00
      +3
      Quote: Alexkorzun
      gentlemen, how not ashamed


      Here, mostly simple decent people.
      And gentlemen, it’s as if in the other direction, for example, in the White House
  • sherp2015
    sherp2015 16 November 2015 18: 29
    14
    Quote: Angro Magno
    And how much squealing was! Bankrupt, arrange a default! No concessions


    It’s interesting, but is our government ready to restore debts to low-income people, those who are poorly indebted for gas and other energy resources and a communal apartment due to compelled circumstances?
    They will tear their skins from their own skin, the UFSSP will take property from the debtors and sell it at auction.
    In general, there’s no conscience.
    Gasoline rises in price at a time when the price of energy is falling in the world ...
    Right now, the pro-government w ... policies will raise the stench: like go to work and other crap. I am retired at 6500, and those of a young age who would be glad to work and nowhere: killed factories, destroyed collective farms, m ... dialers are bad, lip-slaps are brainless ...
    Unless to engage in slavery to thieves who grabbed property, money bags.
    Who will be responsible for the destroyed industry, agricultural production, what is our education, where are the normal trade unions?
    1. sergio6769
      sergio6769 16 November 2015 19: 46
      +5
      Mdaaa ... surprised Putin so surprised .... I would have such a restructuring ... and then a little something immediately bailiffs. Some mats break out am
  • Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 16 November 2015 18: 33
    15
    To my people would be so kind

    these are key words ... we are being told about double standards, but here they are just some kind of masochistic approaches. they throw mud at us, and we give them for God's sake! more here, please! How much have our debts on housing and communal services increased? and how many citizens with loan delays? The bank refused me to ease the credit burden, although I was a bona fide borrower for 6 years, and the request was not for three years like Ukraine, but only for a few months! Well, for housing and communal services, citizens will now be charged for a delay, and this is a waste, but we will support "fraternal" Ukraine. Another holiday will appear in Ukraine - "how we defeated Russia with debts"! just a question - how many raseyskogo people will speak out "for" if we have such a "national treasure" ??
    Well, it would have been understandable if Syria had been helped and even forgiven! there, at least they almost pray in Russian and are grateful!
  • papas-57
    papas-57 16 November 2015 18: 34
    13
    I also said that our government will ochkanet. A shame!!! And it's not even about money, although it's not superfluous. The point is the fall in prestige. Now Yaytsenyukh can carry any nonsense about Russia, as he wants to obserat Russia and they will believe him. He promised to restructure the debt by Russia and he did it. Russia shit twice in a big way in a year - Ukrainian debt and Mistral. Who else believes that our government will defend the interests of Russia and its people? As Vereshchagin said: "It's a shame for the state." And for ordinary people in Russia.
    1. jjj
      jjj 16 November 2015 18: 42
      +3
      You just have to wait at least the end of the week. Then a lot will become clear. And do not try to grab the president by the hands. Let him play his part freely
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  • Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 16 November 2015 18: 42
    14
    Quote: Angro Magno
    To my people would be so kind.

    MOSCOW, November 16. Gazprom has once again increased payments to its management. The average monthly income of a member of the board of the monopoly amounted to almost 7 million rubles, and in total, 9 billion rubles were spent on payments to the board for 2015 months of 1,74, follows from the statements of the concern.
    Isn't that kindness to your people?
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 16 November 2015 18: 52
      +5
      Isn't that kindness to your people?

      I'm sorry, a little text correction -

      Isn't that kindness to YOUR people?
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 16 November 2015 19: 05
      +2
      Quote: Tim Coconuts
      MOSCOW, November 16. Gazprom has once again increased payments to its management. The average monthly income of a member of the board of the monopoly amounted to almost 7 million rubles, and in total, 9 billion rubles were spent on payments to the board for 2015 months of 1,74, follows from the statements of the concern.
      Isn't that kindness to your people?


      Their mom ..... !!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 November 2015 21: 23
      0
      This is the management team, and he can set any kind of salary for himself - I am more concerned about my shares than the salary of the Gazprom management.
  • 34 region
    34 region 16 November 2015 18: 46
    -4
    And what a squeal? Russian and Ukrainian brothers! Money is not strength brother! Russians do not abandon their! If there are no concessions, the Maydan will remember our slogans! They will poke a finger. You see how insidious! They said one thing, but how much money touched so because of them they are ready to kill a brother!
  • sgv
    sgv 16 November 2015 18: 49
    0
    Well, why do you fight so hard, why do you not regret yourself so much! Okay, let's bankrupt Ukraine, so what? Will we get the money for the backside or what? No, we won't get it EVER !!!! So maybe we'd better take off our percentage with another gang and fuck it with this extreme! And having returned at least part of their money about getting at least 200 km. pipes, we will think where and to whom we will insert this piece of tubing! And if the other end of this pipe is "POPLAR" or "CORNET" or "BULAVA", then I think that the partners will very much think about breaking the pipe or it is better to pull further from me, so that the "poplar" "CORNETS" and "ISKANDERS" do not knock on my door! So let's count and count big so that the pullback is more than a proposal!
  • WYCCTPUJIA
    WYCCTPUJIA 16 November 2015 19: 10
    -1
    There is still a draw of one move in this long chess game !!!!!! hi It seems OUR PRESIDENT has talked with the representative of the IMF, and they agreed on something !!!!! drinks
  • KUOLEMA
    KUOLEMA 16 November 2015 19: 19
    +6
    the wrong country was called Honduras
  • Karlovar
    Karlovar 16 November 2015 19: 30
    -2
    What bonuses will Russia receive from default, economic, humanitarian collapse and chaos throughout Ukraine ???? Refugees from Western women agree to host ???
    1. Saratovets
      Saratovets 16 November 2015 19: 59
      +7
      ego G already works in Russia (I worked with Westerners for 3 years before this summer) and when you ask them if we are so bad if we are so bad, they say they don’t let us go to Europe for us, but they want to eat and they openly hate us, even it came to fights, I need such relatives at a distance in Lviv but not in Russia
    2. Vend
      Vend 16 November 2015 21: 33
      +2
      Quote: Karlovar
      What bonuses will Russia receive from default, economic, humanitarian collapse and chaos throughout Ukraine ???? Refugees from Western women agree to host ???

      The ability to change inadequate power, to adequate.
  • Am
    Am 16 November 2015 19: 32
    +8
    I agree. For some reason I was sure that they would back down. After show-off about the Mistrals. They spat, wiped themselves out, it's okay, we live on. Our own, of course, are not slaves, we have democracy. They don't consider their own people at all. , some sort of swarm, but let them swarm, so long as they do not interfere with the filling of the pockets, all sorts of Millers, Sechins and all sorts of others. Once again I will remind you with the same gas as we (Belgorod region) happens. , without any discounts and beautiful words about democracy, and that his people, you never know what circumstances they have due to delay. I didn't go to these elections, I'll go to the next one. This shoblu (there are no other words) needs to be removed. As they say, "judge on their business! "Yes, and the fish, how to say it, does not rot from the tail. He said, vyakal rather, pardon the expression.
  • kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 16 November 2015 20: 05
    0
    Damn there are no words. Theirs with .. and it is necessary to water and not to smear with oil!
  • kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 16 November 2015 20: 05
    0
    Damn there are no words. Theirs with .. and it is necessary to water and not to smear with oil!
  • Petrovich1952
    Petrovich1952 16 November 2015 20: 16
    +1
    In Kharkov, they demolished the stela of friendship between Ukraine and Russia, we’re licking ass? I don’t understand our guarantor. I talked with the Obama and Khokhloma at once, and she told us that Russian people are on the side of something bad.
  • Darkoff
    Darkoff 16 November 2015 20: 26
    -4
    Oh, how angry! How many pluses! It is naive to believe that Putin made a concession for altruistic reasons or that he was forced to. It was a clear bargain. And the Ukrainian default is a trump card. Moreover, the issue was resolved during yesterday's meeting with Obama. Putin is definitely bargaining for something.
    But what exactly is none of our business.
  • Quiet
    Quiet 16 November 2015 21: 01
    +2
    What is the use of bankruptcy? Do you think that making the States or Europe guaranteed to pay this money (who dances, he pays) is worse than 2 years in arbitration with an incomprehensible result. Enough, with Hodor already pierced.
  • woron333444
    woron333444 16 November 2015 21: 02
    +2
    Now the news was: Restructuring under the guarantees of the IMF and the USA, that is, they will pay for Ukrainians if they are not calculated. Words GDP.
    You need to watch the performance, and not listen to gossip in the internet
  • Irokez
    Irokez 16 November 2015 21: 16
    +3
    So all whiners and all-powerful (over patriots - fanatics) watch from 6:10 and the point.
    1. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 16 November 2015 22: 42
      +3
      what to look at? we first stated that we would never make concessions, after the Yatsenyuk states that they say that Obama will have to talk about something with Putin and a miracle! and today I watched their conversation with Cameron and that’s what alerted me, Putin spoke to the floor and looked at the floor, and Cameron looked at him grinning with frank mockery! I’m afraid that they threw us and the big one should leave and Donbass. Ukraine will not be surprised that at such a pace and in the Crimea Ossetia and Abkhazia will be replayed under the sugary slogans and I damn it have the right to be angry I voted for Putin, I support him as much as I can and in disputes and on the Internet, as much as I can and go to the polls, a crowd of people talked, for the sake of my country, I’ll suffer all the hell with him, but not treason! I don’t know what they were talking about, maybe the EU plus the United States even went to overt threats and blackmail, so take care of the people! honestly say so they say, and so they go to war with everything for the front, everything for the Victory, and the people will support but not the same way!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 November 2015 01: 10
        -1
        They have nothing to blackmail us.
  • imugn
    imugn 16 November 2015 21: 20
    +2
    The article is not complete: Russia agrees to such a restructuring if the United States or the EU pledges its debt obligations for Ukraine (since they are so sure of Ukraine’s solvency)
  • RUSS
    RUSS 16 November 2015 21: 20
    0
    We are bent .... once again .....
    Well, not Che live not the first time!
  • man_of_war
    man_of_war 16 November 2015 21: 20
    +3
    Comrades, is it not destiny to read the statement to the end?
    "Since our partners are confident that the creditworthiness of the Ukrainian state will grow, we have no reason to doubt that we will receive even $ 3 billion next year, and if this is the case, then our partners have no fears to issue our guarantees on this. loan, "- said Putin at a press conference following the G20 summit.

    “We asked for such guarantees either from the US government, or the EU, or from one of the reputable international financial institutions. Moreover, we hope that this issue will be resolved before the beginning of December this year, as determined by the IMF's work schedule,” the head of the Russian Federation stressed.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20151116/1322152353.html#ixzz3rgDkzl1G
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2015 21: 21
    +4
    if you can’t prevent a booze, head it
    the default on its own was not interesting, the consequences were interesting - credit freezing, but the Americans openly said that they would change the rules of the IMF
    By the way, it’s not clear why in the article they so perverted the Old,
    "Vladimir Putin also noted that Moscow expects that the United States, the EU or international financial organizations will provide guarantees that Ukraine will pay off a $ 3 billion debt to Russia."
    1. Esso
      Esso 16 November 2015 21: 24
      +5
      "Citizens - read carefully before yelling that everything is lost ...
      "Russia expects guarantees from the West for the Ukrainian loan. Guarantees either from the US government, or from the EU, or from one of the international financial institutions, will do, TASS reports ..."
      Those. if one of these governments decides to take the guarantee obligations and in case of failure of the Ukrainian economy will pay this debt, then and only then we will extend it for 3 years. Under the conditions of a currency default of a non-working production, the absence of any profit and thieves in power, who do you think will want to sign this guarantee? The community will pay for some Ukraine there. Putin framed the West and the United States. Transferred the debt of a bankrupt Ukraine to those who ruined it.
      Like this! And no need to panic ... "Vladimir Vladimirovich's brilliant move, if the West refuses, we will save face, but the West will in fact throw Ukraine publicly. If the West refuses to give guarantees, there will be no debt restructuring. We won’t get money from Ukraine in 3 years. fact.....!
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 17 November 2015 00: 18
        0
        Quote: Esso
        "Vladimir Vladimirovich's brilliant move, if the West refuses, we will save face, but the West will in fact throw Ukraine publicly. If the West refuses to give guarantees, there will be no debt restructuring. We won’t get money from Ukraine in 3 years ...!


        Something reminds of Stalin's genius ... Firstly, money is given to Ukraine even now, there has long been external management, so they give money themselves for the sebe. How many have already been there? And someone will back down ?? if the IMF is going to revise its terms of granting loans (!) for the sake of Ukraine. Secondly, the way out of the most hopeless economic situation is a small "victorious" war - in quotation marks, because victory is not always obvious. An example with boilers in Donbass - the heroes came out with battles, real "cyborgs", and so on. Nobody is going to give us money - they will show us the damage for the Crimea! Ukraine is a springboard, you can pay any price for it! And what guarantees from the West are of value ?? read a story long and not so long (Yanukovych hiccupped, carefully unfolding a piece of paper with a guarantee of safety and ironed it with an iron ... still useful, toilet paper was running out)
        1. Esso
          Esso 17 November 2015 19: 25
          -1
          where is Stalin here, you somehow went off the bat. The point of Putin’s maneuver is that since the European Union, the USA and the IMF allocate loot to Ukraine and ask us to change the terms of the debt, let them act as guarantors and vouch for Ukraine. They will pay us 3 billion in 3 years, and if not, then the guarantor will pay it to us for Ukraine. And 1 and 2 are unlikely. If you refuse to be guarantors, no one will restructure Ukraine’s debt. It’s clear that I can’t return the Ukrainians debt to us in any case. Putin since you bazaar for Ukrainians, be responsible for the bazaar, if you don’t answer, go .... well, everyone knows where. Putin made a move. We are waiting for an answer ....
  • Esso
    Esso 16 November 2015 21: 32
    0
    Quote: Angro Magno
    And how much squealing was! Bankrupt, arrange a default! No concessions! They sold the collectors, and those from the outskirts will lower the last skin!
    Our jackal feathers in licking surpassed their Ukrainian counterparts.
    To my people would be so kind. If the money is extra, then I will find where to use it for the benefit of the population.
    Now the IMF pats on the shoulder patronizingly.

    "Citizens - read carefully before yelling that everything is lost ...
    "Russia expects guarantees from the West for the Ukrainian loan. Guarantees either from the US government, or from the EU, or from one of the international financial institutions, will do, TASS reports ..."
    Those. if one of these governments decides to take the guarantee obligations and in case of failure of the Ukrainian economy will pay this debt, then and only then we will extend it for 3 years. Under the conditions of a currency default of a non-working production, the absence of any profit and thieves in power, who do you think will want to sign this guarantee? The community will pay for some Ukraine there. Putin framed the West and the United States. Transferred the debt of a bankrupt Ukraine to those who ruined it.
    Like this! And no need to panic ... "Vladimir Vladimirovich's brilliant move, if the West refuses, we will save face, but the West will in fact throw Ukraine publicly. If the West refuses to give guarantees, there will be no debt restructuring. We won’t get money from Ukraine in 3 years. fact.....!
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 16 November 2015 21: 35
    +3
    If Putin wanted to show the people of Ukraine that Russia is not an enemy, then it makes no sense, such foolish "hunchbacks" can already correct themselves, you know what, the disease is chronic. And the worst thing is that Ukraine does not find money to repay the debt, but for the war, please. Was it really impossible to agree with Babamka that Russia forgives all the debt, instead of Poroshenko, it unconditionally recognizes the DPR as an independent state like South Ossetia, under the protectorate of Russia? and nothing else, default. Well, to the edge, autonomy with special rights. The war would be over. The lives and safety of people would be worth the money.
    1. Esso
      Esso 16 November 2015 21: 45
      0
      And the point is to negotiate? USA Ukraine is needed as a powder keg near Russia, Poroshenko will soon be thrown off, and then there will be new radicals and an agreement with them, and then Ukraine will do it, for what. The Donbass is already with us, and there will always be bickering in Ukraine. Putin is waiting, Americans themselves will crawl to us for help, Europeans do not need refugees from them, and Americans don’t know what to do with Ukrainians --- a dead end. And we will wait that will be!
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 16 November 2015 21: 48
    0
    And where did you see the concession. GDP, as always, started mega trolling. Directly indicating that the Outskirts are not a state. Who will sign the IMF for it, "light elves" strongly doubt this, that they will documentally fit in for Ukraine. Ah yes Putin ah yes
  • RUSS
    RUSS 16 November 2015 22: 05
    +4
    I will say brieflymoney in debt should be given exactly as much as it’s not a pity ... if you don’t give it back.
  • Ros64
    Ros64 16 November 2015 22: 07
    +2
    We will again raise prices, find what! The stealing top has already been sickened, they aren’t grabbing at all, they are ready to remove the last shirt from their people! And how much they talked about that there would be no debt restructuring! It’s up to you to drive this government, only to the detriment of your people they’re doing everything! And they’ll climb the elections for the next term! Shame!
  • RUSS
    RUSS 16 November 2015 22: 13
    0
    In vain Ukrainians do not repay debts, I know from experience laughing it’s better to give it back earlier because the debt will catch up anyway, but there’s nothing to give ....
  • Suvorov
    Suvorov 16 November 2015 22: 50
    0
    Quote: Angro Magno
    And how much squealing was! Bankrupt, arrange a default! No concessions!


    Well, firstly, we do not forgive the debt, not a cent, although Yatsenyuk and the IMF demanded a 20% write-off, which was not acceptable for Russia. If we had gone for it, then we would have lost “face” unambiguously. Secondly, the delay in repaying the principal does not mean that no interest will be charged on the outstanding loan amount. That is, we will also make money on this! Thirdly, the IMF will give guarantees for the return of this loan and will share the risks with Russia on it, and the main shareholder of the IMF is the United States, so the Americans are actually signing up to guarantee the return of the loan by Ukraine. Fourthly, the loan was given to Yanukovych, and the current government does not want to give it, including for this reason, and also because Russia is called the aggressor (that is, for internal political reasons it is impossible to explain this to the people and nationalists, they will consider such a step a betrayal and a major failure of power.) But it is known that even a "wounded animal" cannot be "cornered"! And finally, fifthly, it is better to somehow "settle the problem" (and even present this step as some kind of "help" to the fraternal people) than to be suing in London for several years with an unknown result. And, at least Yatsenyuk will not have a reason to blame all the troubles of the Ukrainian economy on the intrigues of "her evil". Indeed, there is really nothing to blame Russia for: we give discounts on gas, we agreed to restructure the loan, and we supply coal. In general, "we hai them this way and that", but they still give us a "helping hand". Brothers, in a word ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 16 November 2015 23: 23
      +1
      Quote: Suvorov
      Thirdly, the IMF will give guarantees on the repayment of this loan and share the risks with Russia on it, and the main shareholder of the IMF is the United States, so that the Americans actually sign guarantees for the repayment of the loan by Ukraine.

      America, like the IMF, are like gentlemen. The gentleman the owner of his word-wants-give, wants-take it back.
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  • alex-defensor
    alex-defensor 16 November 2015 23: 39
    -1
    Quote: Angro Magno
    And how much squealing was! Bankrupt, arrange a default! No concessions! They sold the collectors, and those from the outskirts will lower the last skin!


    So "squealing" just all kinds of "couch patriots", the authorities, especially Putin, did NOT make such statements, but kept this moment as an element of bargaining. All right, what squeal? It is useless to milk a cow if she does NOT give milk.
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  • ARES623
    ARES623 17 November 2015 08: 32
    0
    Quote: Angro Magno
    And how much squealing was! Bankrupt, arrange a default! No concessions! They sold the collectors, and those from the outskirts will lower the last skin!

    You are terribly far from practical solutions to financial issues through the courts. If you can still take something from an individual in the form of property, then it is practically impossible to take anything from the state. And taking a step towards the IMF (read the United States), you can encourage him to become a guarantor for the payment of debt. GDP takes real money-back measures. It shows flexibility, without which sometimes arrangements do not work. As they say, if you gave someone a loan of 100 rubles, then this is the problem of the debtor, if you gave 1 billion, then this is the problem of the lender. So we solve this problem. And that previously showed inflexibility, then today we push through our conditions without accepting the conditions of Ukraine. Well, I do not agree with categorical statements about jackals. Too many emotions in your thoughts, like a teenager. Something like this...
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 November 2015 18: 09
    18
    I applaud while standing, in perfect tung ah ... belay What collectors were not found? they sent us and we left? fool (goodwill gesture"...)
    1. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 16 November 2015 18: 12
      17
      But I, too, do not want to pay my traffic fines, you can postpone it for three years or "the mug did not come out"!
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 16 November 2015 18: 26
        +4
        Quote: 78bor1973
        , you can postpone for three years or "the mug did not come out"!

        Is it possible to retire?
      2. STALK1974
        STALK1974 16 November 2015 18: 32
        +1
        You don’t have to pay if you are vouched for by any bank.
      3. guzik007
        guzik007 16 November 2015 19: 36
        +2
        78bor1973 RU Today, 18:12 ↑ New
        But I, too, do not want to pay my traffic fines, you can postpone it for three years or "the mug did not come out"!

        So what? not a crest !? your number is six! -try-you know the power of the state!
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    3. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 16 November 2015 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: iza top
      b .......................................... I ...

      Respected! I agree with 150%, you surprisingly EXACTLY expressed the mood of the majority!
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    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 November 2015 18: 12
      16
      Quote: Renat
      . And when will we start thinking about our people ??? How long to?

      Citizens with a mortgage are being bullshit, from an attraction of unprecedented generosity ...
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 16 November 2015 18: 18
        +5
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        citizens with a mortgage

        As a citizen I confirm with a mortgage. yes
      2. Horla
        Horla 16 November 2015 18: 21
        +5
        I think that 3 billion dollars would close the entire mortgage of Russians.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 November 2015 21: 29
          0
          We have overdue loans to banks of 16 trillion rubles - you think three billion dollars will be enough to repay - no answer is required.
      3. Horla
        Horla 16 November 2015 18: 21
        0
        I think that 3 billion dollars would close the entire mortgage of Russians.
      4. Renat
        Renat 16 November 2015 18: 25
        +2
        Can I write obscenities? Can???
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 16 November 2015 18: 29
          +1
          I think it is possible!
        2. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 16 November 2015 18: 56
          +1
          Can I write obscenities? Can???

          Still, the title does not give the advantage of being in a live queue ... your number is at least 7 million, and that's still lucky! "In line, you sons of bitches!" (C)
        3. sherp2015
          sherp2015 16 November 2015 19: 08
          +2
          [quote = Renat] Can I write obscenities? It is possible ??? [/ quote]
          [quote = Horla] Horla

          [quote = Corporal Valera] Corporal Valera (1) Today, 18:29 ↑
          I think you can! [/ Quote]

          NEEDED !!!
          1. Renat
            Renat 16 November 2015 19: 20
            +1
            And how without a mat? Almost 200 lards of our blood, outright enemies.
            1. Saratovets
              Saratovets 16 November 2015 20: 02
              +2
              Yeah, they allocate so much for anti-crisis support for industry, but there are as many
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 November 2015 21: 31
              0
              In general, at the time when they were giving this loan, the rate was different — 120 billion rubles — at the old rate.
        4. guzik007
          guzik007 16 November 2015 19: 38
          0
          Can I write obscenities? Can???

          go ahead, in the end you’ll get only a deuce (with warnings)
          1. Banshee
            Banshee 16 November 2015 20: 07
            0
            Definitely.
  • gop
    gop 16 November 2015 18: 10
    10
    region 404 all thumps with joy
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    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 16 November 2015 18: 17
      14
      Quote: Gop
      region 404 all thumps with joy

      They not only thump, they hopak now they will dance for joy for a week as MOS LEI threw money.
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    5. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 16 November 2015 18: 35
      +7
      Quote: Gop
      region 404 all thumps with joy


      On the censor:
      Russia agreed to restructure debt of Ukraine
      Comments:
      "And immediately Roisya backed up"
      "Well, the vatans give, - they agree! The country of idiots, pancake ... And ours need to conduct "negotiations on restructuring" with the goat-faced ones ... until 2018 (at least)! With the inadequate it is necessary to behave the way they deserve - inadequate! "
  • dauria
    dauria 16 November 2015 18: 11
    +3
    "No stepfather, and grandma died ..
    Hurry to do good deeds. " laughing
  • Baloo
    Baloo 16 November 2015 18: 12
    10
    I wonder if the state is ready, in the person of, for example, Gazprom, “not to receive any money” from the Russians, who declare that they don’t want to pay their bills this year, but they want to postpone all payments for two, two, three ...

    I would like to hope that the decision of the federal authorities was not taken as the next unrequited gesture of goodwill, but had a well-balanced and reflecting the interests of Russian citizens

    I don’t know what the state was counting on, but I would like to pay the communal apartment not every month, but in three years. Can?

    The collapse of banderkrainy, it seems to me. will begin with the end of the moratorium on the sale of Ukrainian land in 2017. At the same time, eggs and piglets are the largest landowners. Porosenko alone owns more than 300 thousand ha (last year's data). Yaytsenyuh is already rushing with a proposal to sell 49% of the gas transportation network to the geyrope, but no one is pecking.
    Well, wait and see. I would like to hope that the president and his team calculated all the risks. hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 November 2015 21: 34
      0
      The collapse of BanderB / Ukraine will begin when total restitution arrives on them on the wings of the Euromecht.
  • Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 16 November 2015 18: 13
    14
    I am proud of our superpower, scattering billions "down the drain" ..!
    Money can not buy happiness..
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 16 November 2015 18: 13
    10
    Just now I looked ... listened. And Ukraine paid to Donbass ??? What is it for them ... and our pensioners no longer know where to put the money?
  • marinier
    marinier 16 November 2015 18: 14
    +6
    Hello!
    Eeyore so understand, in Little Russia, today is the National Holiday !?
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 16 November 2015 18: 27
      +2
      Quote: marinier
      Eeyore so understand, in Little Russia, today is the National Holiday !?

      That's for sure. Permanent change of effort on all fronts.
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 16 November 2015 18: 33
      +4
      Quote: marinier
      Eeyore so understand, in Little Russia, today is the National Holiday !?


      Largest for the whole year. Forgiveness Day
  • YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 16 November 2015 18: 14
    +5
    Well what can you say! "Russia is a generous soul" fellow
    1. izya top
      izya top 16 November 2015 18: 19
      +5
      Quote: yugv-xnumx
      Well what can you say! "Russia is a generous soul" fellow

      I still have a thousand mortgage on my mortgage ... will they forgive me? what
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 16 November 2015 18: 42
        +2
        I still have a thousand mortgage on my mortgage ... will they forgive me?
        Take another 100 and you will fall under the program of bankruptcy of individuals ..!
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 17 November 2015 00: 33
          +1
          Competent advice! smile
      2. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 16 November 2015 18: 44
        +7
        Do you hear people knocking on the door? the bailiffs are walking around - they are distributing humanitarian aid to those in need ... has anyone calculated the consequences of this decision ?? the moral damage from it is much higher than all the benefits ... it would be better if they sued and didn’t get anything like that to their citizens, who give hundreds of them to treat hopelessly sick children, help Donbass ... this is called an appeal to citizens: hard times are coming you need to tighten your belts ... only for many this belt has slipped ... on the neck ...
      3. Saratovets
        Saratovets 16 November 2015 20: 05
        +1
        The main thing that would not have added!
    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 16 November 2015 19: 42
      +5
      Quote: yugv-xnumx
      Well what can you say! "Russia is a generous soul" fellow
  • ksv1973
    ksv1973 16 November 2015 18: 14
    20
    In 2016, a billion dollars will be cheaper, in 2017 - even cheaper, in 2018 - EVEN CHEAPER !!!
    The country, which carries Russia over bumps even at the level of its first persons, Russia, "a kind soul" once again does not allow it to bend. How much, one wonders, can you be kind to your enemies (and today's Ukraine is our undisguised enemy) at the expense of your own people ?!
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 16 November 2015 18: 20
      +5
      Quote: ksv1973
      In 2016, a billion dollars will be cheaper, in 2017 - even cheaper, in 2018 - EVEN CHEAPER !!!

      If they, these dollars, will be then.
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      2. ksv1973
        ksv1973 16 November 2015 18: 44
        +3
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Quote: ksv1973
        In 2016, a billion dollars will be cheaper, in 2017 - even cheaper, in 2018 - EVEN CHEAPER !!!

        If they, these dollars, will be then.

        I forgot about this option ... what
        GIVE RUSSIA HER "BABKS" NOW !!!!! angry
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 November 2015 21: 39
      +2
      Or maybe the dollar will cost 100 rubles - alas, we can not predict the economic future, even for six months.
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 16 November 2015 22: 45
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Or maybe the dollar will cost 100 rubles - alas, we can not predict the economic future, even for six months.

        It is logical!
        But we are still able to predict something. Let's remember the classics. Not ours, but American - Mark Twain. In The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, a fancy 12 cent knife is mentioned. 12 CENTS was pretty good in the 1850s. And at the end of the book, "the money was counted. It turned out that it was a little more than twelve thousand dollars. No one from those present had seen such a sum at once, although there were many guests, whose property was much more expensive." What is 12 thousand dollars now ?! - ASH AND ASH!
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 17 November 2015 00: 39
          0
          Quote: ksv1973
          What is now 12 thousand dollars ?!
          The average salary in the Russian Federation for 2 years.
  • gas113
    gas113 16 November 2015 18: 14
    +2
    yes .... you can see a little leverage then ... the small chest was not simple ... you can not pay for transit
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 16 November 2015 19: 49
      0
      Quote: gas113
      yes .... you can see a little leverage

      And what levers on stubborn ones can be?
  • roskot
    roskot 16 November 2015 18: 15
    10
    No dill today, no tomorrow. And what stretches for three years is an excuse for us. Money was crying ...
    1. Loner_53
      Loner_53 16 November 2015 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: roskot
      Money was crying

      That identity is not from the pocket of the brightest request
    2. anfil
      anfil 16 November 2015 18: 44
      +4
      Yes damn you read at least the words of the sentence including brains:

      “We asked for such guarantees either from the US government or the EU, or from one of the reputable international financial institutions. Moreover, we hope that this issue will be resolved before the beginning of December of the current year, determined by the IMF work schedule, ”the Russian leader emphasized.

      THIS IS AN OFFER AND WHICH IS VALID BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF DECEMBER, well, guys, well, you turn on the gray matter good
      1. Saratovets
        Saratovets 16 November 2015 20: 07
        +1
        The question is readiness and, as has already been said in the dual approach to this issue.
      2. man_of_war
        man_of_war 16 November 2015 21: 24
        0
        I agree, you need to read the news to the end, and then shout "please ... lipolymers"
    3. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 16 November 2015 18: 48
      +1
      Money was crying ...
      Remembered the joke:
      The first telegram / signal from a friend to the resort: the wife died ..
      every other day: the wife died ..
      in two: the wife died; access to the body of the deceased continues ..!
      Take in kind.!
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 16 November 2015 18: 16
    +7
    Like in dry land, let me throw it away, I remember someone screaming how Ukraine feeds Russians, but yes with promises.
  • Vovanya
    Vovanya 16 November 2015 18: 16
    13
    I guess I don’t know or understand something important ...
    They demolish the monuments of Russian-Ukrainian friendship at night, and we ... Now the Ukrainians will have what to support the army and wage war against the Donbass.
    Such nobility is akin to folly.
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 16 November 2015 18: 16
    17
    And what did you achieve so that the Maidan people would become even more Maidan people and screaming at the whole universe, as they again did with a mascot?
    Again offer to wipe off after another spit?

    After such "interesting" proposals, a rhyme comes to mind more and more often, even from Soviet times, I then went to midshipmen.
    "take the machine guns in your hands, the people are deceived ahead, smash the Kremlin chambers, the truth itself will not come to you."

    I have never been in any opposition, I hate liberals and other servants of Western cults, but such "proposals" are very disappointing and very much.
    1. Esso
      Esso 16 November 2015 21: 35
      +2
      "Citizens - read carefully before yelling that everything is lost ...
      "Russia expects guarantees from the West for the Ukrainian loan. Guarantees either from the US government, or from the EU, or from one of the international financial institutions, will do, TASS reports ..."
      Those. if one of these governments decides to take the guarantee obligations and in case of failure of the Ukrainian economy will pay this debt, then and only then we will extend it for 3 years. Under the conditions of a currency default of a non-working production, the absence of any profit and thieves in power, who do you think will want to sign this guarantee? The community will pay for some Ukraine there. Putin framed the West and the United States. Transferred the debt of a bankrupt Ukraine to those who ruined it.
      Like this! And no need to panic ... "Vladimir Vladimirovich's brilliant move, if the West refuses, we will save face, but the West will in fact throw Ukraine publicly. If the West refuses to give guarantees, there will be no debt restructuring. We won’t get money from Ukraine in 3 years. fact.....!
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 17 November 2015 00: 41
        0
        We deal with the IMF. Only now they will agree on the terms of debt repayment.
        ----------
        But I share the mood of commentators. My mood is not so hot either.
        Tired of the junta.
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 16 November 2015 18: 17
    11
    What is there to comment. You can tell, we don’t know much, but it’s not so. We well know what Poroshenko is doing and the university in the territory of Donbass and Luhansk. And you don’t need to know much to understand what is politics, but what is selling politics. I cannot succeed in overcoming the coexistence and support of the Poroshenko regime, with all due respect to GDP. I understand that he knows better than GDP, but you can forgive betrayal to your wife, betrayal of the country (this is about Yeltsin and the hunchback, about Poroshenko and a hedgehog with them) it is impossible to forgive. And yet, that these ghouls deserve something and we will say. Why am I ?! And besides, I just want to take and without any policy take this scumbag and slam. I am simply amazed at the patience and endurance of GDP. All the same, he respect and respect.
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    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 16 November 2015 19: 29
      +4
      Quote: I doubt it
      So who is he after that?
      The president?
      Language does not dare to call it that. "Prezik" is the most appropriate name for the guarantor.

      And from their hard workers at 3,5 rubles per kilometer. And try not to pay. I have no words. One mate .....

      It looks like it was decided to forgive these 3 billion for a long time, they simply did not announce it in advance. But the money will be beaten off from the long-range workers. And not only from them.
      1. Esso
        Esso 16 November 2015 21: 36
        -1
        "Citizens - read carefully before yelling that everything is lost ...
        "Russia expects guarantees from the West for the Ukrainian loan. Guarantees either from the US government, or from the EU, or from one of the international financial institutions, will do, TASS reports ..."
        Those. if one of these governments decides to take the guarantee obligations and in case of failure of the Ukrainian economy will pay this debt, then and only then we will extend it for 3 years. Under the conditions of a currency default of a non-working production, the absence of any profit and thieves in power, who do you think will want to sign this guarantee? The community will pay for some Ukraine there. Putin framed the West and the United States. Transferred the debt of a bankrupt Ukraine to those who ruined it.
        Like this! And no need to panic ... "Vladimir Vladimirovich's brilliant move, if the West refuses, we will save face, but the West will in fact throw Ukraine publicly. If the West refuses to give guarantees, there will be no debt restructuring. We won’t get money from Ukraine in 3 years. fact.....!
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  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 November 2015 18: 17
    11
    in the language THIS is spinning that I will not get off with a "ban" .... I better go ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 16 November 2015 18: 17
    +4
    I will not Maidan, and I won’t let the neighbors. But ... everything is disgusting!
    1. Hon
      Hon 16 November 2015 18: 21
      +5
      rating will show steady growth
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      1. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 16 November 2015 20: 45
        0
        100 +++ to you.
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  • pv1005
    pv1005 16 November 2015 18: 18
    10
    And when the esteemed state restructures (fu wrote) the credit obligations of its citizens or in extreme cases cancel the predatory interest ??? request Although the answer is known - NEVER. After all, we are just an electorate, not like some close relatives. am
  • VP
    VP 16 November 2015 18: 18
    +9
    If only they would copy-paste to the end. Or will the revealing pathos disappear from this?
    Forgot to insert about "under EU and US guarantees."
    Moreover, these guarantees should be given before the end of 2015.
    But the "guarantors" are still denying themselves trying to persuade them to restructure.
    1. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 16 November 2015 18: 48
      +5
      The author (it seems to me) intentionally omitted the ending on guarantees. The author, in my opinion, is a provocateur. And why is the article not signed? How to find out who posted this material?
      1. Banshee
        Banshee 16 November 2015 20: 11
        0
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        The author (it seems to me) intentionally lowered the ending about the guarantees. The author, in my opinion, is a provocateur.


        Definitely a provocateur
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 16 November 2015 18: 19
    +1
    Wait. Euro-jumpers in the Donbass joyfully trample. And we will restructure something else for them, or even forgive ...
  • Riv
    Riv 16 November 2015 18: 19
    11
    In vain. WFP today has lost a lot in the eyes of ordinary people.
    1. Loner_53
      Loner_53 16 November 2015 18: 34
      +4
      Quote: Riv
      In vain. WFP today has lost a lot in the eyes of ordinary people.

      He began to lose from вAsilieva and then Taburetkin added.
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  • cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 16 November 2015 18: 20
    +3
    What comments can be made on this? And no !!! What I want to say - they will never miss !!! Yours ... etc etc!
  • anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 16 November 2015 18: 20
    +8
    if the government doesn’t want to do anything, then it remains for the citizens themselves to impose their own sanctions, do not buy anything Ukrainian, if you know that the casters are working illegally somewhere, inform the relevant authorities, create an atmosphere of intolerance towards everything Ukrainian, meet dill and tell them directly that fell to the outskirts, it is necessary to create an atmosphere of such intolerance for these freaks that they would be afraid to even breathe in Ukrainian
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 16 November 2015 22: 06
      -1
      it is necessary to create an atmosphere of such intolerance for these freaks that they would be afraid to even breathe in Ukrainian

      But you don’t think that you are inciting hatred of one people in front of another.
      Do you even think Anti-Semite what you are doing or it’s in your blood.
      1. anti-Semite
        anti-Semite 16 November 2015 22: 32
        0
        it was I who rode on the Maidan and yelled at her knives? Did I bury cemeteries and monuments? it was me who burned people in Odessa, I fired at Donetsk and Lugansk, I was happy about the terrorist attacks in Russia and the death of the plane, I sent friendship trains, I ripped open bellies of Russian boys in Chechnya ?! !! there’s nothing to kindle for everything has long been burned!
  • action
    action 16 November 2015 18: 21
    +2
    Ha, super. We have, as always.
  • Tanysh
    Tanysh 16 November 2015 18: 21
    0
    Noble, oh noble, why are they holding us?
    1. izya top
      izya top 16 November 2015 19: 27
      +4
      Quote: Tanysh
      what are they holding us for?

      Faberge? No?
  • Million
    Million 16 November 2015 18: 22
    +1
    Kindness of Putin knows no bounds!
    1. YGV-97219
      YGV-97219 16 November 2015 18: 49
      +3
      “Simplicity is worse than theft!” Popular wisdom, however!
  • givigor71
    givigor71 16 November 2015 18: 22
    +4
    So I want to say - .........
  • Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 16 November 2015 18: 22
    +5
    Yes, how much can you ?! they spit on us openly, and we flirt before them!