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In defense of Strelkova

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Recently, a sufficiently large number of articles, roughly in the same direction, have appeared on various network resources. Namely - they are actively denigrating the notorious Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, as well as those public figures who hold an opinion that is different from the official one. Despite the mischievous nicknames invented for these citizens like “putinsley”, they paradoxically become more with each passing month, and their thoughts are becoming more and more severe. To be completely honest, there was a split in the ranks of Russian patriots into those who unconditionally support the current course, and those who consider it to be deeply mistaken, if not more.




Personally, I have never been a liberal and “with rare exceptions” I am quite a patriot: I buy domestic products and have a rest only in Russia. For many reasons, your humble servant does not have a goal to indiscriminately defame the president or his entourage, but he firmly adheres to the principle “by their deeds you will recognize them.” By deeds, not by words!

Point one. Donbass

Justifying Russian non-interference in the Donbas, some citizens cite absolutely untenable arguments. For example, the myth about the miners lying on the couch was urgently invented, although the percentage of those who had risen to fight in the Donbas was even higher than in the Crimea - as a result, this fact was recognized even by Strelkov.

Another argument of those who opposed the introduction of troops to the Donbass: they say, then the Third World will begin with the United States and NATO, although neither the United States nor NATO has any legal obligations to defend Ukraine, and they certainly did not fight for it what, both in Washington and in Brussels, would have been stated at the dawn of the Crimean crisis. So no Third World War would have happened, especially in March-April of the 2014 year, when there was a factor of total confusion of the West on the side of the RF. But the property of large "gentlemen" in London could suffer very significantly, which in the end outweighed at the time of the decision.

Point two. Syria

The same people who justified the shameful self-withdrawal in Ukraine, just as fiercely supported military intervention in Syria. They say, the battle for Moscow (as an option for Donetsk), is forged in exactly there - under normal conditions, to consider such a perverted “logic” of psychiatry, but in our case the insanity has gone beyond any limits. My question is: why did the Syrians suddenly find themselves closer than the Russians and Ukrainians of New Russia? Why do Russian soldiers have to risk their lives for several million Syrians, but not for 25 millions of Russians in Ukraine? Is it not because Uncle Sam categorically forbidden to get into Novorossia, and regarding Syria, the old man in a star-striped hat graciously admitted that “Russia has interests there”? The task for the kindergarten: if a frank enemy pushes you to something, is it worth it? If you look at the decisions of the Russian leadership, it turns out that yes, it is worth it.

It was a double absurdity to enter into an overseas conflict, not having a powerful enough fleetOur valiant democrats and liberals, who have been in power for 25 years, have been reduced to a certain level. Strategic missile carriers are fine, but what about ordinary ships, workhorses of war? But there are very few of them left. In fact, only the United States has the fleet necessary for conducting a colonial war, and France and Great Britain have significant reservations. And the USSR also had such a fleet. Russia does not have it, and it never prepared for the overseas colonial war that it is now waging.

Well, the most unpleasant. To enter the war over distant lands with the most dangerous enemy, when you have several neighboring countries near you (albeit small ones) are preparing to check your borders for strength - this, of course, is the height of geopolitical wisdom. Here we are talking not only about Ukraine, although first of all it is about her.

Point three. Finance and Economics

If you watch television, it seems that we have an irreconcilable struggle with the West. But at the same time, the financial bloc at accelerated rates invests the country's currency savings into US treasury obligations, compresses the money supply according to the first oblique view of the IMF. Do we have the war with the West for fun? Or for slaves war, and for serious uncles - business? Putting reserves in US treasury obligations instead of giving them to their own population, medicine, education, industry and agriculture, is a crime no less than a betrayal of the Russians to Novorossia. This money will never return to Russia, but will go to finance American industry and the American army. Let me remind you that when Japan, a faithful ally of the United States, tried to cash out a portion of its bonds after the 2011 earthquake, it was simply refused. Let's guess at one time what will happen if Russia requests such a request!

Point four. The leaders

After a series of failures and scandals, Zurabov, Mutko, Serdyukov and the like remain in place or change from one high chair to another. In our situation, it is the same as Stalin after the defeats of 1941 of the year would have left Voroshilov and other generals from the era of the Civil War at their posts. How would the Great Patriotic War end then?

As recently as November 11, Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich complained that the fish in the country was too cheap, and Medvedev again stated that the retirement age must be raised. And all this happened against the background of a large protest by truckers. The question involuntarily arises: do gentlemen from the government deliberately bring an explosion of discontent, or simply believe in permissiveness?

Point five. The culprits

We are constantly moaning about the destruction of science, industry, education, etc. All these reforms are carried out by specific people even now, in a practically pre-threat situation. Attention, a question: did the Martians send us these people, or was someone appointed by them? And if appointed, then for what purpose?

There are actually many more questions. I do not ask their tops - it is meaningless. My questions are addressed to those who, for ideological reasons, support all decisions from above, including the most reckless. But don't you have to press the brake and think sensibly over the situation? The price of a mistake is painfully high.

Moods in the masses gradually change. Including among the military, which is important. For in what other country does the power force its soldiers to hide their nationality? When fighters in Russian uniform, but without identification marks and flags on the Tigr and BTR-82A armored personnel carriers, appeared in the Crimea, they immediately began to brush off any involvement in Moscow in Moscow, recognizing everything only after the fact. And even in Syria, where we, like Yanukovych in Ukraine, had official permission from the local authorities, the pilots were ordered to cover up the red stars and numbers. Photos to prove that more than enough. There are no complaints about the military - they carry out the order. Question to those who give such orders.



It seems that they will still have to fight with Ukraine, but the victory will have to be mined at a completely different price than in March 2014.

And now you can throw tomatoes. I am all yours, gentlemen!
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  1. noWAR
    noWAR 17 November 2015 05: 58 New
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    It seems that they will have to fight with Ukraine anyway, but the victory will have to be obtained at a completely different price than in March 2014

    Do you count on the total stupidity of the entire watered and military elite of the most ancient nation on earth? Yes, as they were in the 40s cowardly murderers, shooting at the "peaceful people", they remained with rare exceptions especially stubborn. To fight with a little bit of hope for a “favorable” outcome, even the exceptional ones can only be allowed as Nonsense! The record with Strelkov is so hackneyed ... for many, it is enough to recall the chronology of his revelations after the Donbas in order to have a firm opinion about his true motives for the current “speeches”. The fraer surrendered. I do not impose my opinion!
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 17 November 2015 06: 46 New
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      Quote: noWAR
      It seems that they will have to fight with Ukraine anyway, but the victory will have to be obtained at a completely different price than in March 2014


      The article is suggestive ... 95% true, I agree with the facts
      But to be honest, it’s not advisable to fight with Ukraine. Although Bandera is subject to liquidation, or at least expulsion to Novaya Zemlya and agricultural work to grow citrus fruits in the local conditions
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 17 November 2015 08: 27 New
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        Quote: sherp2015
        But to be honest, it’s not advisable to fight with Ukraine.

        Putin doesn’t send troops - oh, we’ll merge Donbass,
        Putin will send troops and half of the "merchants" will start to STink oh Slavs kill Slavs.
        request
        1. Yars
          Yars 17 November 2015 10: 20 New
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          Quote: Dryuya2
          Quote: sherp2015
          But to be honest, it’s not advisable to fight with Ukraine.

          Putin doesn’t send troops - oh, we’ll merge Donbass,
          Putin will send troops and half of the "merchants" will start to STink oh Slavs kill Slavs.
          request

          agree
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 November 2015 10: 28 New
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          Quote: Dryuya2
          Putin will send troops and half of the "merchants" will start to STink oh Slavs kill Slavs.

          In the spring of 2014. could do with little blood.
          1. Slavapom
            Slavapom 17 November 2015 11: 37 New
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            With little blood, say this is a very controversial statement. But I think that the blood would be an order of magnitude, and maybe more orders.
          2. ammunition
            ammunition 17 November 2015 11: 54 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            In the spring of 2014. could do with little blood.


            We can say - Almost without bloodshed.
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            1) In April of 14, the Ukrainian military was in solidarity that will not fight against Russia.
            2) Legal law was on our side, because the president of Ukraine (not legally excluded from power) was with us.
            3) Terrorist elements have not yet been armed and formed.
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            In general .. It's hard to say. I mean .. a noticeable part of the Ukrainian population was fooled by the "European Tale" ..
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            In short: -
            There were two options.
            a) Power treatment for fooling.
            b) Wait until they recover.
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            It .. of course sad That's just .. The power in Ukraine was captured by incurable maniacs. How to wait for people to recover in such conditions?
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            Such a vicious circle.
            1. max702
              max702 17 November 2015 21: 41 New
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              Quote: ammunition
              It is ... of course. Just ... Power in Ukraine was captured by incurable maniacs. How to wait for people to recover in such conditions?

              to heal! hunger and cold .. But it will cease to support this regime in money (Gref Sberbank is happy to work in Ukraine, but not in Crimea ..), to get loans by any means (ay 3bn ..), not to let gas and oil go to DEBT, close the market for goods from Ukraine, and drive back all the Gaster from Rinda back to the square! With a residence permit in the Donbass, leave carefully understanding the reasons for being in Russia (and why not in the LDNR?), Answer ten times if not understanding, destroy everything that carries a threat 100 km inland from LDNR .. And in half a year everything will end ...
        3. oblako
          oblako 17 November 2015 13: 34 New
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          There will be no war with Ukraine, but the liberation of the territory of the USSR captured by Bandera! What oath did you take, dear ones, did you forget something?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 17 November 2015 15: 10 New
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            Quote: oblako
            and the liberation of the USSR captured by Bandera!

            During the Second World War, Ukraine was under the German for 4 years. And now she is 23 years old under the occupation of Western media. The percentage of "Bandera" has grown. And the independence of Ukraine was recognized in 1991, including by Russia. And the legitimacy of Poroshenko is also recognized, Putin including Who will we fight with the whole population? Now it will be aggression, and in the spring of the 14th there would be help in restoring order given to the legitimate president.
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 17 November 2015 16: 58 New
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          It's not about entering now, but in the early spring of 2014, everything would have happened in the same breath of rebellious Russians and sane Ukrainians. And we gave evil spirits to crush their impulse. The author speaks about this.
        5. Egor123
          Egor123 17 November 2015 17: 20 New
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          Something the author started about Strelkova, but finished with finances, and where is the relationship in everything?
          I personally calculated something about Strelkov to read request
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            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 17 November 2015 21: 16 New
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              Yes, with such "friends" and enemies do not. Maybe they are just another Anglo-Saxon project? The more tryndyat, the more this is believed.
            2. skifd
              skifd 17 November 2015 21: 46 New
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              Quote: skifd
              You can look at this "hero"


              Oh! smile Here it is and hto that for his "idol" ob-offense ??! crying Why don’t I catch up, what’s the one ?? The rest, oooh !? belay
              Now, after that nonsense that he carried in our Urals, he is a whole head worse and worse. "Clicking" does not mean saying the RIGHT and TRUE things. So at least get angry, if you are too lazy to think with your head, but in "tyrnete" only at the "brats" about the "untouchable" to stare. "It wakes up more easily."
            3. Ganssh
              Ganssh 17 November 2015 23: 55 New
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              damn .... first glance .. and remembered the chronicle with adolf .. only a little antennae trimmed .... horror
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              1. Angryvinny
                Angryvinny 18 November 2015 02: 04 New
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                for those who understand the word “war” as tank columns, I ask the question: did the USA fight against the USSR in Afghanistan? Did the USSR fight against the USA in Vietnam?
        6. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 17 November 2015 21: 04 New
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          author, drink yadu. Who will fight the country 404. Many have relatives there. Until they throw off the fascist mongrels, there is nothing to talk with 404 mi. And the article is provocative. But awkward. Type it is necessary to inflate a panic ... from another side.
      2. ILDM1986
        ILDM1986 17 November 2015 08: 31 New
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        It will be possible to send troops to Ukraine only in the event of direct aggression by Ukraine.
        And so, there is no right to do so - there is no UN resolution, there is no invitation from the legitimate authorities of the government and the president. That’s why we didn’t send troops to Ukraine and are carrying out the ISIS bombing in Syria, just Assad, unlike Yanukovych, is fighting for his country with all his might.
        1. Alexl
          Alexl 17 November 2015 09: 32 New
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          As if the Americans always get UN permission to send their troops.
          1. ILDM1986
            ILDM1986 17 November 2015 10: 30 New
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            Quote: AleksL
            As if the Americans always get UN permission to send their troops.

            Well, excuse me that the USA rightfully considers itself the main center of power in the modern world - after all, the most powerful army and navy (not counting the vigorous club), the most powerful military bloc is also under them, like most financial and political structures, the most powerful economy in the world ( albeit a soap bubble, but come on you try bursts, the whole world will blow off) Naturally, when the US violates international treaties, they turn a blind eye to it, but this is not normal and has already reached all the sane people of the world. But most countries of the world are, to put it mildly, not sovereign, and act exclusively in the interests of the United States. any attempt to move away from the "party line" entails a click on the nose - terrorist attacks, incriminating evidence, popular unrest - everything goes in motion.
            And Russia, even acting according to the rules, gets problems, an example of this is Mistral. And outside the legal field, we also cannot afford to act - we have already tried to get around Crimea a bit, got a bunch of troubles. You propose not to get around, but to send everyone on foot erotic tours, what will be the reaction of our crazy neighbors - NATO will be glad to take such a step - there will be an occasion to increase the defense budget, build more bases in Ukraine, the Baltic States and Turkey, deploy more missile defense systems, introduce even more stringent sanctions; seize monetary assets in foreign banks. It seems to you that we are now living well with 65 rubles for a green candy wrapper, do you want to stick even deeper? There is only one way out - to change laws for themselves, to look for allies, to enter into their own alliances to counterbalance existing ones. Delay aggravation of the conflict as far as possible. Smooth corners and gently but purposefully squeeze your line. Demonstrate your strength, but lawfully in the case. All this we are doing in foreign policy, it is a pity that in the domestic situation it is so far poorly done. But to put a device on everyone, as the light elves do, is definitely not an option for our country.
            1. mAgs
              mAgs 17 November 2015 13: 48 New
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              You propose not to get around, and send everyone on foot erotic tours, what will be the reaction of our crazy neighbors And the reaction (rejection, cooling) will be in sane neighbors.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 November 2015 09: 47 New
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          Russia will not send any troops to Ukraine, under any circumstances, one can not even dream about it.
          1. garmonist
            garmonist 17 November 2015 10: 33 New
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            Well, you can call the guys volunteers or "NORTH WIND" is not the point. They are there and help than they can, but it’s hard they now have to use aviation and they will not be able to use the sun in Syria, which means there will be big losses. And the war in the Donbass will go further already obvious- see the news.
        3. garmonist
          garmonist 17 November 2015 10: 21 New
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          And who made the junta legitimate? He himself lived in Ukraine during this period and saw what kind of "fair elections" these were in which the USA appointed Petka a prezik. How could they be recognized with a living, albeit illegally overthrown president?
        4. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 17 November 2015 12: 44 New
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          Quote: ILDM1986
          It will be possible to send troops to Ukraine only in the event of direct aggression by Ukraine.
          And so you have no rights to this

          Generally speaking direct aggression from Ukraine was - and more than once.
          http://topwar.ru/53827-ocherednoy-obstrel-rossiyskoy-territorii.html
          https://russian.rt.com/article/44769

          Moreover a Russian citizen died in the Russian territory.
          http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2014/07/14/ukrainskie_karateli_obstrelyali_rossijskuy


          u_territoriyu
        5. shtanko.49
          shtanko.49 17 November 2015 13: 16 New
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          Yanukovych had to be taken to Donetsk and forced to head the operation against Kiev terrorists. He was legal and could request help from Russia.
          1. Evil Kind
            Evil Kind 18 November 2015 02: 40 New
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            Well, it’s kind of like a heart operation was done after all these events, which president was he, and he broke morally. Well, we would have taken him to Donetsk, and he would have had a panic there (50/50), and against this background he’d grab it and take it back to Russia on a medical loaf. That would make the whole world tear the Tsar’s belts over our attempts to put the Tsar on the throne. We couldn’t take such a risk. He was not psychologically ready.
      3. vorobey
        vorobey 17 November 2015 08: 40 New
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        Quote: sherp2015
        95% true, I agree with the facts



        and where are the facts ... common words ...

        author catch a tomato ..

        quote ... Personally, I have never been a liberal and “with rare exceptions” I am quite a patriot: I buy domestic products and rest only in Russia. ... all .. I propose to introduce this wording (patriotism) into the explanatory dictionary ..

        the officer’s daughter looks very much like I am a Crimean, and here everything is not so simple with us .. laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 17 November 2015 08: 42 New
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          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: sherp2015
          95% true, I agree with the facts



          and where are the facts ... common words ...

          author catch a tomato ..

          quote ... Personally, I have never been a liberal and “with rare exceptions” I am quite a patriot: I buy domestic products and rest only in Russia. ... all .. I propose to introduce this wording (patriotism) into the explanatory dictionary ..

          the officer’s daughter looks very much like I am a Crimean, and here everything is not so simple with us .. laughing

          Hi Sanya!
          It looks like .... half pregnant
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 17 November 2015 09: 55 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Hi Sanya! It looks like .... half pregnant


            I’m healthy. laughing It looks like a vyser ... did you find a thread in defense of Strelkov? but the author outlined the caviar as Salmon foreign. laughing one way ...
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 November 2015 12: 18 New
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              Quote: vorobey
              It looks like a vyser ... did you find a thread in defense of Strelkov?

              Well, if you discard some of his bile due to resentment, in general, his comments are not meaningless.
              And do not sweep them.
              Of course, God forbid, I do not draw analogies (and a jester, Strelkov is not), but why did they keep the Jester at court?
              maybe he is the only one who was not afraid to tell the truth to the king.
              Maybe Strelkov now sees this function in himself? To tell the truth (maybe of course him too - but his truth), and when there are several opinions - it’s already good. It makes you think. analyze and draw conclusions.
              Sometimes, to get to the truth, you have to shovel tons of lies.
      4. The lead
        The lead 17 November 2015 09: 58 New
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        After the resignation of I.I. Strelkov, many critical articles were published on this site, this article is probably the first to defend him. it will be easy to impose this negative attitude on most of the public. The point here is not that Strelkov is perfect, there really are things for which he can and should be criticized, however, all criticism of both journalists and forum visitors is not based on these really existing weaknesses Strelkova, based on fictitious facts and arguments, is simply a lie and slander. I watched the broadcasts of Strelkov’s meeting with Mironov and Starikov, probably read all the critical articles on this site, none of his opponents use the fact that Strelkov adheres to monarchical beliefs .Very strange, I think they do not use because of their own involvement. Let's face it: Strelkov positions himself as a patriot. He understands patriotism as love for the Motherland, his people and the state. The fact is that it is not in the interests of the people to give up their right to democratically elect a higher political leader. Therefore, Strelkov needs to identify his position, who he is more: a monarchist or a patriot. For Strelkov, monarchism is a very important belief, the only question is whether he can not mix personal beliefs with public interests, but something tells me that he cannot help but mix. In case Strelkov will come to power in the Russian Federation, he will do everything possible to restore the monarchy. Dear I. Kabardin very correctly disclosed the topic of the article. Writing in defense of Strelkov and speaking half-truths would not be a good arrow. I watched the ring with the participation of Kurginyan, he gave the concept of patriotism as recognition of the highest value of the Motherland, the people, but not the highest political leader. is broadcast on the central channel by a person who is an important marker of the mood of the GDP environment. The fact is that IDPs cannot be deprived of the highest value status, because IDPs and the homeland, people, state represent the dialectical unity of equal sides of the whole. Separation is very dangerous and unacceptable, definition Kurginyan’s statement made me very worried. Indeed, at present, a revolutionary situation is brewing in our country: when the tops cannot and the lower classes do not want to.
        Quote: I. Kabardin
        Putting reserves into the US treasury obligations instead of giving them to their own population, medicine, education, industry and agriculture is a crime no less than the betrayal of the Russians of New Russia
        Everything is true in meaning, this is about the upper classes. As for the lower classes, for example, the communist became the governor in Irkutsk, the United Russia party is resting, but probably 70-80% of the GDP will be “corrected.” As with the negative propaganda regarding Strelkov It’s impossible to hush up the real state of affairs in the country, the people know everything and for the most part do not want to continue the state-political course. The situation is very dangerous. Some forces, of which Kurginyan is probably the media mouthpiece, are preparing a revolutionary situation. Ukraine’s policy is completely toothless when it was possible to use a win-win card of Yanukovych and could be reunited with Ukraine without blood, war and Western sanctions. When politics in Donbass is all aimed at draining Novorossia, there is a sharp contradiction between its supporters and opponents, but in reality it may turn out that those forces in the Kremlin, who merge New Russia when the thunder strikes, they can support and push the knight forward without fear and reproach, saved Itel of the fatherland.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 17 November 2015 10: 02 New
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          Quote: Lead
          This article is probably the first in his defense.


          Is the article about Strelkov written? I don’t believe my eyes ..
          1. The lead
            The lead 17 November 2015 10: 39 New
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            Quote: vorobey
            I don’t believe my eyes ..
            There is a magic word: open my eyelids wink .
          2. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 17 November 2015 10: 44 New
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            vorobey "In the article about Strelkov it is written? I don’t believe my eyes .."
            Not ... well, the author mentioned it. And that’s good.))) In defense, just to mention.)))
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      5. alexander1
        alexander1 17 November 2015 10: 30 New
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        In order to fight precisely with the banderlogs, and not with the “new and Little Russians, who were told that they are Ukrainians”, it takes time for these very Ukrainians to understand who they are and what they got into! This is what Putin and his entourage are trying to do! Give time to the residents of the outskirts to realize who they are! The war now is a war that will unite the outskirts under the false banners of this very outskirts! This just cannot be allowed! The dumb rabble of the outskirts should think of who and how has "it" now! I say this, clearly understanding that I myself will suffer all this chaos here with these ghouls! But there is no other option, as they correctly said after the Afghan war, socialism cannot be built by savages, all stages of development must be felt by one's own ass!
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 17 November 2015 11: 07 New
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          Quote: alexander1
          In order to fight precisely with the banderlogs, and not with the “new and Little Russians, who were told that they are Ukrainians,” it takes time for these very Ukrainians to understand who they are and what they got into!

          despite the fact that under the USSR it was claimed that they were Ukrainians? Yes, add even more 20 nt of independent propaganda .... Your proposal - "to understand for yourself" - alas, is unrealistic.
      6. antoXa
        antoXa 17 November 2015 18: 12 New
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        I’ve read an article, well, yes, the author says almost everything correctly, many of the things that are written here, many know and have read about this more than once.
        Hints that the president is the same as the government and they all stand there, are also written a million times on this site.
        Dear author, but the article does not have a single proposal, but what to do ??? Government is bad, Putin is bad!
        Well, let's all agree and we all agree with you, but what do you want to do with this? Do you know good?
      7. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 17 November 2015 21: 06 New
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        The facts are yes, but the conclusions .... It's like a rezun, the facts are stunning (and true), and the conclusions ... you yourself know.
      8. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 17 November 2015 21: 40 New
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        Quote: sherp2015
        The article is suggestive ... 95% true, I agree with the facts

        Grandmas, grandmas and many more times - BUTTERFLY ...
        Golden ears are sticking out of every movement-deed of power.
        Just the latest news: "... Russia will sell Saudi Arabia armaments for 10 bn. Dollars ...". Planned for a slaughter sells an ax to his future killer?
        Sur ... fool
    2. tomket
      tomket 17 November 2015 09: 01 New
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      Quote: noWAR
      The fraer surrendered.

      I don’t understand, are you from the military or from the criminal contingent?
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 17 November 2015 11: 37 New
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      You can answer the article for a long time and it will be even a larger article. I will try to briefly voice a few things.
      About Strelkova. In the wake of the annexation of Crimea, it seemed to many that Strelkov was a continuation, although initially many of his actions seemed delusional. For example, which intelligence officer on camera admits that he is an FSB colonel and arrived in a foreign country to squeeze out its territory and that he was sent by the leadership of a neighboring country? Such things come to light only decades after the declassification of archives. And here - hello, I’m an evil FSB colonel, Putin sent me to squeeze the territory from Ukraine. angry Then it’s purely practical - if he declared himself Minister of Defense of the DPR, then what did the Minister of Defense do in the surrounded Slavyansk? Why he was not in Donetsk organizing a common defense. Why did I constantly ache in the interview, although anyone who understands that the commander should always inspire confidence in the soldiers, and not whine on camera? Why did you surrender such a territory with objects that are extremely important for the DPR without a fight, without even leaving a barrier? In general, such incomprehensible actions were full, but the country and the Donetsk people believed that this was so necessary and this was the same KPP. Then there was a Boeing, where Strelkov refused to confirm that the militia was not involved in his downing. Then there was essentially a coup in the Donbass, when the Kremlin made him an offer that he couldn’t refuse and forced him to leave Donbass, after which victories immediately went. And already at home, Girkin begins to pour dirt in front of television cameras on the leadership of the republics, which, according to him, turns out to be thieves and drunkards, but for some reason they win unlike him. The phrase - "Surkovian propaganda", which was presented to the liberals at the American embassy - the video is on the internet. An environment that has long had time to smear forehead with greens so that the bullet does not bring infection. negative In Syria, in general, Ales. By sending troops into Syria, we thwarted a ready-made operation for the mattresses to overthrow the Assad and the genocide of the Alawites and Christians. The cruiser Moscow and air defense are there from the ISIS or what? The mattresses used all their agents to discredit the operation inside the Russian Federation, and who was the first to spoil the Kremlin? That's right, Girkin and Nesmiyan (El-Murid). So, on the basis of all these and other pieces of information that cannot fit here in any way, I personally draw a conclusion. Strelkova was sent to the Donbass by a pseudo-patriotic group led by the oligarch Malofeev, Kurginyan and the general of the Soviet Union, retired Reshetnikov. She acted in agreement with the US State Department in order to disrupt the GDP plans for Ukraine, to give dill a formal excuse to crush the Russian spring in the south of Ukraine and prepare the Maidan in the Russian Federation. The Kremlin seized the initiative, staged a coup in the DPR and LPR after the downing of the Boeing and now, through its governors, Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky defends, provides and arms the republics. All victories vsn that accidentally occurred after the removal of Girkin were coordinated by our military experts. So the drain, if it was only a rifle. These are the pies with kittens. hi
      1. The lead
        The lead 17 November 2015 12: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: g1v2
        that he is a colonel of the FSB
        False: Strelkov was not a colonel in the FSB, except perhaps in retirement.
        Quote: g1v2
        arrived in a foreign country
        He arrived in his country.
        Quote: g1v2
        to squeeze her territory
        He arrived to protect the Russian people.
        Quote: g1v2
        What did the leadership of a neighboring country send him?
        False. He couldn’t say such a thing, since the leadership of the Russian Federation did not send him to Donbass.
        Quote: g1v2
        Hello, I’m an evil FSB colonel. Putin sent me to squeeze the territory from Ukraine.
        Stupid lies and slander.
        Quote: g1v2
        what did the defense minister do in the surrounded Slavyansk?
        The same thing that Guderian did: he did not sit in the headquarters in the deep rear, but was where the most important events took place.
        Quote: g1v2
        Why constantly ached in the interview
        You constantly whine. Strelkov reported the situation exactly as circumstances required.
        Quote: g1v2
        the commander must always inspire confidence in the soldiers
        His appeals were largely directed to the Kremlin and called for the promised assistance.
        Quote: g1v2
        Why did you pass such a territory with extremely important objects for the DNI without a fight,
        Because Donetsk was not protected and was preparing to surrender. Strelkov left Slavyansk to defend Donetsk.
        Quote: g1v2
        In general, such incomprehensible actions were full,
        In relation to Strelkov, everything is extremely transparent, but who are you? Are you a Ukrainian fascist?
        Quote: g1v2
        where Strelkov refused to confirm that the militia was not involved in his downing.
        Strelkov said that civil authorities were investigating the Boeing case from Novorossia, therefore he is not competent in this matter.
        Quote: g1v2
        in front of television cameras, pouring dirt on the leadership of the republics, which, according to him, turns out to be thieves and drunkards, but for some reason gain victories unlike him
        It was against Strelkov that a dirty company was launched to discredit him. The victory was won not by them, but by vacationers.
        Quote: g1v2
        Who was the first to spoil the Kremlin?
        It’s only you who are capable of spoiling. Strelkov’s arguments in Syria are sound, this topic was discussed, convincing evidence was provided.
        Quote: g1v2
        She acted in agreement with the US State Department to disrupt the plans for GDP in Ukraine
        A worthy Goebbels student: the more monstrous a lie, the easier it will be believed!
    4. Quager
      Quager 18 November 2015 13: 32 New
      +2
      I always judge a person by his deeds. What did Strelkov do on bare enthusiasm and patriotism? And what did well-known figures such as Surkov do, having behind them all the power of our state, finances and special services? The first with a militia risking his life stopped the army. And the "figures" are looking for and sawing tidbits on new lands? And what he says is his opinion, I hope everyone has their own. He deserved to be listened to, at least.
      1. The lead
        The lead 18 November 2015 14: 16 New
        -2
        If you carefully read my comments, you got acquainted with my assumption that perhaps Surkov, like Kurginyan, are actually patriots. The essence of the situation is that Surkov in the Kremlin is a black sheep, surrounded by liberals. So Kurginyan called the GDP liberal. Now Shoigu and Rogozin patriots appeared in the government. However, the Kremlin’s policy is determined by liberals, so the task of the patriot party is to hold the highest position of patriot. How? It is clear that this is not possible in a legitimate way, so there is only one way - to shake the situation. Thus, it becomes it’s understandable why the Russian Federation did not use the favorable situation, when after the coup actually Yanukovych was in our hands, so it could be used as a screen to establish control over Ukraine and join it to the Russian Federation. Then there were events in the Crimea and Donbass, where Strelkov revolted However, the uprising merges with the Kremlin. Why? To undermine the position of GDP. Strelkov was for development events in the Donbass, and Surkov to drain, so there was a paradoxical contradiction and conflict between patriots.
        1. Quager
          Quager 19 November 2015 16: 29 New
          0
          Patriot Surkov:
          In 1991-1996, he held senior positions in the Association of Credit and Financial Enterprises "Menatep" (which at that time was headed by Mikhail Khodorkovsky), and later - Bank "Menatep".
          I don’t know a single patriot from the former Khodorkovsky team ...
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 17 November 2015 06: 07 New
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    If you watch television, you get the impression that we have an implacable struggle with the West. But at the same time, the financial block is investing at a shocking pace the country's currency savings in US treasury bonds, compressing the money supply according to the first oblique view of the IMF.


    smile Right ...
    and I won’t throw tomatoes at you, dear IGOR, and I don’t put minuses in principle for a firm position.
    The shooter of those people who going to the fire will still say ... But still, the EARTH is round and it spins.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 17 November 2015 13: 57 New
      14
      A good article was written by Kibalchish, to you +.
      The article was not about Strelkova at all, as many who read only the title, it seemed ...
      An article about power and its two-pronged policy.
      Under the sweet slogans of restoration, rebirth, "lifting up", anti-Americanism and anti-Westernism in general, the government stubbornly continues to seize, continues the liberal course voiced by the president at every international forum, seeks medical education and all social institutions, continues to pump out finances and resources, investing them in the development of Western countries, continues to indulge embezzlers, offshore companies, financial speculators (bankers), continues in the person of its officials to buy real estate abroad, and so on and so forth ....
      For the domestic market - PR, lies and false patriotism, under which they rob and steadily reduce population, and for the external - raw materials appendages and sources of financing Western well-being ...
      1. The lead
        The lead 17 November 2015 14: 11 New
        +1
        Great comment. However.
        Quote: Stroporez
        The article is not about Strelkova at all
        But what about Strelkov? The author digs just deeper, reveals the reasons for which there is a wave of criticism of Strelkov and at the same time justifies the basis on which his patriotism stands. Kurginyan also called GDP liberal, and his policy liberal.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 17 November 2015 14: 32 New
          +8
          Quote: Lead
          Kurginyan also called the GDP liberal, and his policy liberal.

          Kurginyan is the Trojan horse of the Kremlin, a faithful dog of power, playing the opposition and speculating on the traction and nostalgia of the people during the times of the USSR.
          1. The lead
            The lead 17 November 2015 17: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Stroporez
            Kurginyan - Trojan horse
            Maybe Kurginyan is not a Trojan horse, but, as I wrote to myself, a sincere patriot, like the forces that represent? And the contradiction between Kurginyan and Strelkov is tactical, so to speak. They simply go to one, but in slightly different ways.
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      2. Gearbox 2015
        Gearbox 2015 17 November 2015 23: 40 New
        0
        Stroporez correctly say support.
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  3. dirty trick
    dirty trick 17 November 2015 06: 10 New
    +8
    It seems that they will have to fight with Ukraine anyway, but the victory will have to be obtained at a completely different price than in March 2014

    question to the author - do you really want to fight with Ukraine?
    this is more than stupidity - for the junta it would be the biggest gift in the world !!!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 17 November 2015 06: 19 New
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      Do you really want to fight with Ukraine?


      Ukraine itself is at war with the Russian people in DONBASS, by definition, and no declaration of war is required .... so everything is clean and present to RUSSIA KIEV can just because the Russian troops did not show up for war.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 17 November 2015 06: 38 New
      -4
      question to the author - do you really want to fight with Ukraine?
      So he himself will not go to war. And he smeared off his son ...
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 17 November 2015 14: 55 New
        +6
        Quote: BecmepH
        So he himself will not go to war. And he smeared off his son ...

        As far as I remember, Kibalchish is about 30 years old, so his son is not yet in draft age.
        And regarding the war with the outskirts, I’ll tell you this: inciting hatred and hatred between the same people is beneficial to the authorities here and there.
        A bloody wedge is driven in by propaganda solely in order to completely Ukrainize the outskirts and thereby make it impossible to reunite one great country of the USSR.
        Isn't that what the student of Dr. Goebbels Brzezinski dreamed about when he said: “With Ukraine, Russia is a great power; without Ukraine, Russia cannot be a great power.”
        For me personally, Ukrainians and Russians are one and the same fraternal people, just like we are fooled by propaganda a la Goebbels. And here it is important to understand that the people have one common enemy.
        It was for this understanding that AB was killed. Cerebral.
    3. Alexl
      Alexl 17 November 2015 09: 34 New
      14
      The junta is already at war with us. And the Ukrainian people tuned it in.
  4. Denis DV
    Denis DV 17 November 2015 06: 20 New
    +3
    It seems that they will still have to fight with Ukraine, but the victory will have to be mined at a completely different price than in March 2014.


    No need to put an equal sign, Ukraine and the fascist junta are two different things!
    1. populist
      populist 17 November 2015 06: 35 New
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      Denis
      No need to put an equal sign, Ukraine and the fascist junta are two different things!

      At present, Ukraine and the fascist junta are one and the same in the same way as fascism and Germany were the same from 1941 to 1945.
      No one divided fascism and Germany.
      In the same way, fascism and Ukraine cannot be divided. For all its actions, Ukraine is a fascist state.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 17 November 2015 06: 44 New
      +8
      No need to put an equal sign, Ukraine and the fascist junta are two different things!
      Enough time has passed after the races and fires, and their rhetoric has not changed. In my opinion,
      Ukraine and the fascist junta
      already the same thing. It is not visible that Ukraine resisted fascism. Maybe I missed something. Open your eyes, give examples.
      1. Denis DV
        Denis DV 17 November 2015 07: 05 New
        +7
        Maybe I missed something. Open your eyes, give examples.


        Kharkov, Odessa - is this not enough?
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 17 November 2015 08: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: Denis DV
          Kharkov, Odessa - is this not enough?

          Wrong flywheel rotate! Kharkiv, Odessa, Mariupol ... and then the Donbass and all the dips are few, again they are shelling the Donetsk airport! “Pig’s dits” spit at once on all Minsk agreements.
        2. garmonist
          garmonist 17 November 2015 10: 48 New
          +9
          I will add Mariupol, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and other cities just where there was no leader like Strelkov capable of leading the armed struggle with the Junta; all the protests were quickly suppressed and people went underground or into the Donbass. Many simply chose to leave the circus - not everyone would be Strelkov.
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    3. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 17 November 2015 08: 54 New
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      Demagogy. With whom did we fight in the 41st? With German fascism. In the face of the German people.
      They will give Khokhl an assault rifle and will go to kill like a pretty one. By the way, there is such a desire, if only the Americans would give money and body armor.
  5. venaya
    venaya 17 November 2015 06: 37 New
    16
    Attention is the question - were these Martians sent to us or did someone appoint them? And if appointed, then for what purpose?

    What are you talking about? Turn on the TV, there are some Martians, no more questions arise! As for Ukraine: it’s too late to put up a fight or not to fight, it was to us that they declared a war, we can only talk about how to conduct this war, not otherwise. I believe that we are already waging a war (at least informational), but not by explicit methods, and not on our initiative, we were simply cornered and we were led, and Strelkov is just a product of circumstances and not the reason for everything in the world.
  6. snifer
    snifer 17 November 2015 06: 45 New
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    I’ll support the author. Yes, he is proud of his homeland for his calibers, you can and even need airplanes, but do not forget that in our homeland money will run out in a year, as an example, in the Astrakhan region they said that after August 2016 they have nothing to pay to teachers, and this cuts and kickbacks are going on. In our Motherland they plant for 3000 rubles and for billions. In our country, a kilometer of roads costs as much as a road of non-ferrous metals, but for some reason with pits. We give a loan one and a half yards to Cuba and at the same time cancel indexation pensioners. We do not have a labor code, one small part of the population lives and another one is poor. We have more police officers than soldiers. Our State Duma votes to ban lace shorts and rejects the bill on the necessary self-defense in our home. Our banks give loans sometimes under 50 percent or more. And at this time everything is good from the TV
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 17 November 2015 06: 51 New
      0
      Our State Duma voted to ban lace shorts and rejects the bill on the necessary self-defense in their home. Our banks sometimes give loans at 50 percent or more. And at that time everything is fine from the TV


      Then a simple question ... what to do and who is to blame?

      And most importantly, how to fix what you listed ... again to arrange a revolution, hang all those to blame for the pillars ???
      This we have already passed ... what you say is right and then complete uncertainty.
      1. dmb
        dmb 17 November 2015 12: 13 New
        +4
        Dear Alexey. If you wrote that you need to correct, and reject the revolution, then suggest a real way to correct it. By the way, if we are to be completely honest, then they are hung on the pillars, precisely those whom the current situation suits.
      2. Quager
        Quager 18 November 2015 17: 01 New
        0
        I think at least not to be silent, but to criticize for the cause and together!
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 17 November 2015 08: 59 New
      +7
      So you need to go where life is raspberry.
      Buy a Syrian passport - and to Germany.
      But seriously - we ourselves are to blame. Officials are our neighbors, classmates, friends ... grew up with us, from our midst ...
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 17 November 2015 06: 53 New
    20
    Personally, for me, there is a very sick category of people who can be excellent commanders, commanders, tactics, but inept politicians, business executives, and vice versa ... Good theorists turn out to be not good practices and vice versa ...
    So in this matter I personally respect Strelkov, as a military organizer and tactician, who squeezed the maximum out of what I had! Respect for it good
    And then everyone has their own views on life and their political preferences. And here it is important not to cross that line when you can turn into an outcast. But here again - to each his own.
    After all, remain Klitschko as a boxer - you should respect him further ... But after all, with your broken bowler popped into politics and, voila ... lol
    Yet again- hi my personal opinion
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 17 November 2015 08: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      After all, stay Klitschko as a boxer - you should respect him further ... But after all, with your broken bowler popped into politics and, voila ...

      By the way, he leads the election. Themselves dill these Laughing chose what to take from the wretched ...
    2. Yunik
      Yunik 17 November 2015 10: 52 New
      0
      I agree, why did the arrow in politics climb, not feed the horse.
    3. Buffalo
      Buffalo 17 November 2015 11: 35 New
      +3
      Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side!
      Couch General! Tradesman in the nobility.
      Strelkov has not yet had the opportunity to prove himself a strategist.
      I am sure that if he had such an opportunity, he would have used it brilliantly, better than Putin.
      What Strelkov really lacks is information, but that is not his fault. Unlike Putin, in the morning they don’t get news reports and analytical reports. Therefore, he has to judge events and make decisions on the basis of limited information, or even simply false information (our media, mainly a source of misinformation).
      1. skifd
        skifd 17 November 2015 20: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Bison
        Strelkov has not yet had the opportunity to prove himself a strategist.


        How is it, how is it ?! belay And the attempt to "surrender" Donetsk ??? Oh yeah ... They didn’t let me "postrate", eskusmi ... repeat
        1. skifd
          skifd 17 November 2015 21: 58 New
          +1
          And to argue the "minus"? Nothing stupid or stupid? Anonis ... Damn, ANONYMOUS !!! "Response-NIS-SSYA" !! ??? laughing
  8. Glot
    Glot 17 November 2015 06: 57 New
    +2
    It seems to have to fight with Ukraine anyway ....


    Have to ? We will fight. Or does the author want to declare war on Ukraine right now? Well, let him privately announce, together with Girkin.
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 17 November 2015 09: 42 New
      0
      Girkin - an ordinary adventurer who rose in the wake of popular anger, but when it came to painstaking and tedious work - he was offended by everyone. For otherwise it would become clear who is worth what.
      1. Buffalo
        Buffalo 17 November 2015 12: 38 New
        0
        You, too, could not bear the painstaking work - were you offended by him? “Another couch general.”
  9. Rom14
    Rom14 17 November 2015 07: 00 New
    11
    Igor had a dream-idea to unite the Donbass into the Republic of Novorosiya .. what happened there We really don’t know .., but it’s known for sure that there are still two principalities there and about the unification of either GUGU, the split of power is fraught, I think so. But the civilization community will certainly deal with the fascist terrorists, a couple of terrorist acts and Europe will see the light .. Because of the fucking rulers, people are dying, it's bad, it's crazy ...
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 17 November 2015 12: 49 New
      +1
      That's right. Here Strelkova is rebuked by some couches for the lack of strategic thinking. But, they stubbornly do not want to see the obvious: he was prevented from implementing strategic plans, in particular the unification of the LPR and the DPR, together with their Armed Forces. The Kremlin politicians did not give.
  10. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 17 November 2015 07: 19 New
    -3
    The same people who justified the shameful self-removal in Ukraine, equally fiercely supported military intervention in Syria.

    The government is thinking about the country's position in the world. What resonance would have caused our military intervention in Ukraine and what caused now with Syria. I think the exact opposite. A split may appear, but to whom it is beneficial. Strelkov’s figure becomes a split point, which in itself is already suspicious. In my eyes, his actions in the Donbass look very muddy (in order to state the whole period you need an entire article). Even in the photo it looks like a poser, hung up with ammunition and sat mostly somewhere in the headquarters (rear). And if Donbass left it, then where are the columns of tanks.
    1. Kite
      Kite 17 November 2015 11: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Yuri I.
      The government is thinking about the country's position in the world. ......

      - and not only in the world. I already wrote that a year and a half ago, and my mother-in-law (from the southern half of Ukraine) screamed at us (her children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren), calling us fascists and aggressors. Time has treated her and those who are close to her, began to think, or to think winked
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 17 November 2015 12: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Kite
        and not only in the world.

        Itself, just me in the context of the article. Enter we troops all of Ukraine would have thrown up.
        1. Buffalo
          Buffalo 17 November 2015 12: 45 New
          +3
          But how many "crouched" in Romania (remember the expression "Romanian mess", V.F. Margelova!), Hungary, Czechoslovakia?
          A good disease is sclerosis! - Nothing hurts and every day the news ... laughing
          1. Yuri Y.
            Yuri Y. 17 November 2015 14: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Bison
            And how many "jumped up" in Romania

            What does Romania and the company have to do with it. Sclerosis, of course, is also a disease that you forget that wet is not fluffy. After such processing of the population in Ukraine and without entering, how many battalions were scraped together by volunteers (how many hryvnias were stuffed, it’s just the population).
        2. Barmal
          Barmal 17 November 2015 22: 26 New
          +3
          Nobody is tired of feeding the vanquished, restoring the Ukrainian economy from the word completely, taking full responsibility for Russia for their long-standing shoals, justifying small-town provincial nationalism and other embroidered shirts. Putin did smarter. Smarter than many of us.
  11. Yurmix
    Yurmix 17 November 2015 07: 19 New
    -3
    But there are very few of them left. In fact, only the United States has the fleet needed to conduct a colonial war

    What are colonial wars? Russia’s military doctrine is self-defense and deterrence. There is no need to make a balance of what will be the seams because of the fleet, for some reason the rest of the airspace forces and ground forces are not taken into account (we do not take into account Kuzkin’s mother), you need to calculate everything in the compartment if you are a strategist and tactician in military affairs, and not flash. And in general, an article about Strelkov, as it were, began for health, finished for peace, all to the heap.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 17 November 2015 07: 27 New
    +5
    1. In defense of Strelkov, almost nothing has been written .. My attitude to Strelkov, I respect, but was led to nonsense .. sorry ..
    2.It seems to have to fight with Ukraine anyway, .. Persimmon must ripen and fall by itself ..
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 17 November 2015 08: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: parusnik
      1. In defense of Strelkov, almost nothing has been written .. My attitude to Strelkov, I respect, but was led to nonsense .. sorry ..

      I believe that everyone is trying to treat the topic of Strelkov-Girkin with caution - you will say it badly, then it turns out that you were mistaken, but about such a person who is in a muddy atmosphere of information - nothing is better than ...
      On the other hand, it will be necessary to reason and determine sooner or later ...
      Personally, Strelkov ceased to excite consciousness after he began to oppose Starikov and others, and especially Putin and Co. ...
      I feel like I have to admit that for me, as the once concrete and harsh idol of New Russia, he died completely ... Otherwise, what prevented him, even after such a severe disgrace, from starting to act somewhere in Kharkov or Nikolaev, or Odessa, and not falling into to lengthy reasoning and to commit stupid acts with speeches in the media? Strelkov just had not to start in Russia to give sooo dubious assessments to the Russian leadership and figures in the Donbass ...
      Girkin could, but Strelkov - NO!
      Maybe resentment against Kurginyan prevailed?
      In general - vague doubts and suspicions gnaw me ...

      Quote: parusnik
      2. It seems that it’s necessary to fight with Ukraine anyway ... Persimmon must ripen and fall by itself ..

      Persimmon will ripen and fall, but it will not be collected by regular troops of Russia at all - this is stopudovo.
      It is impossible for Russia to take a people that is not ready ...
      It is better to let Voentorg and vacationers work with volunteers than to cover up the Russian mentality with shameful aggression.
  13. leon17
    leon17 17 November 2015 07: 35 New
    0
    With the dark you do not need to play by their rules. You can lose. If we crawled into ruin, there would have been many more victims and destruction too. Who will restore all this? Obviously not those who - "putinsl".
    PS Anyway, enough Ukrainians have relatives to hide in Russia, let them go themselves and end this mess in Kiev. Russians should not pay for their mistakes.
  14. ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 17 November 2015 07: 43 New
    13
    The war with Ukraine?
    Well, we will break the Ukrainian army, we will occupy the territory. So, what is next?
    What territory by the way is proposed to occupy - the whole of Ukraine, or part?
    If not all, then whose troops will stand on the rest?
    Are you ready to take the whole of Ukraine for maintenance?
    On the occupied territory will we establish an occupation regime? Anyone who is against the nail?
    How much pressure from our partners will increase our economy?

    And other questions that Strelkov-Girkin and the company do not answer.

    Well and most importantly, in my opinion. If Ukraine will be occupied by Russia, then the myth that Russia by military means did not allow Ukraine to become Paradise on Earth will become impenetrable. The peoples will disperse completely.
    1. twviewer
      twviewer 17 November 2015 08: 03 New
      +7
      Quote: ArcanAG
      The war with Ukraine?

      The war has long been going on, and above all for the minds. Any invasion requires preparation, and this is not only a master plan.
      As for the territory, how much of that true “Ukraine” is a scrap? Everything else is "primordially" Russian lands.
      Pressure on the economy: we have long put a Western economic yoke on the neck and will continue to bear it, saying that it could be even worse? In the nuclear industry, for example, the share of foreign capital is 90% :)
      Modern wars, economic wars based on military force. Sponsoring, as now, our enemies, we will never win.
    2. Irbis
      Irbis 17 November 2015 08: 08 New
      -5
      I'm afraid opponents in your text will not see anything except letters. Putin didn’t buy them a toy, but now they’ll whine to the end of the world.
    3. Alexl
      Alexl 17 November 2015 09: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: ArcanAG
      Are you ready to take the whole of Ukraine for maintenance?

      Are you ready to support the Ivanovo region?
  15. Yurmix
    Yurmix 17 November 2015 07: 55 New
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    This we have already passed ... what you say is right and then complete uncertainty.

    I agree, it’s like diving into a pool.
  16. Kaccad
    Kaccad 17 November 2015 08: 03 New
    18
    I agree with the author on the facts, I just do not understand where is Strelkov’s protection? :) Well, God bless him. I also do not want to touch on the military aspect, also + and - are not clear. But as for domestic and economic policy:
    - Installment on the Ukrainian debt without any declared it how? It’s not worth hypothesizing that we will keep Ukraine in a fist for another 3 years. (Yanyk to proof)
    - Tell me at least one law that gives some definite plus for the population (I can only recall maternal capital), all the others, maximum “improve” the life of one category, but infringe on the other (to the point: smokers, truckers), or fun for all: taxes, tariffs, etc.
    - When the collapse is threatening at the enterprise, by bankruptcy, can managers work in the same schedule as usual, if - yes, then it will happen quickly. It’s a pity only to hard workers, "effective managers" stocked up with "parachutes" and are preparing for the "occupation" of Piccadilly and the Cote d'Azur. What am I doing? :) Does anyone see the light in our white house at 24-00 and "khekaya" fist says: "It works, Anatolich"? And something in the summer, in addition to the photos in the instagram, I did not see the breakthrough laws of our state Duma.
    - Are there any public hearings and debates on economic proposals? Or we are in fact informed of the "Increase in retirement age is inevitable!"
    And what have you done .... to avoid this ????????
  17. FiremamRescueS
    FiremamRescueS 17 November 2015 08: 11 New
    +1
    Hmm, in spite of the beginning of the article where the author says that he is quite a patriot, then he clearly follows all the points: “putinsl.” I agree that in the country not everything is as good as we would like, but to shout: trouble, trouble is poor, it is also very, very early. I also have a number of questions for Comrade Girkin, a not so unambiguous person, who is not drawn to a knight in a white cloak, without fear and reproach.
  18. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 17 November 2015 08: 25 New
    +3
    I disagree that war with Ukraine is inevitable, I agree that war should be avoided, I think the focus will be on internal work in Ukraine to change the political field, this is a long time, but Ukraine has long ceased to be friendly in terms of elites and politics, just this it was unpleasant to admit and to prevent this there were no resources, now the truth has become clear, unitary Ukraine I think will not remain and further transfers of territories to Russia are possible only with signs of genocide against their own citizens, Russia is strong but not omnipotent and the transition of territory in the modern world is resonant while we, being integrated into the world, are forced to reckon with many in order to minimize and avoid damage, not the fact that it will turn out as we want, but we must do it carefully without flattering ourselves with simple decisions.
  19. Boris55
    Boris55 17 November 2015 08: 30 New
    -1
    Quote: Igor Kabardin
    ... although neither the United States nor NATO has and did not have any legal obligations to protect Ukraine ...

    Does the US and NATO have any obligations to protect IS in Syria?

    Review Solovyov’s film in the Crimea, in which Putin explains why he didn’t send troops to the Donbass, in particular, according to the results of the vote held there, of the less than half who came to this event, slightly more than half voted for not addiction “They want the same thing in Europe.” Why do we have to prevent this by force?

    As a result of almost two years of slaughter oligarchsowning property in the Donbass, remained with their. The people on one side and the other got this coffin and the hatred of some and the displeasure of others towards Russia.

    I regard Girkin’s actions as provocative, lying in the same context with the adoption of the Federation Council decision on the use of troops in Ukraine and Yanukovych’s request for the same, which, as president, while in Kiev, did not want to use force - I feel sorry for his relatives, but he doesn’t sorry ...
  20. tasha
    tasha 17 November 2015 08: 32 New
    +1
    About Syria.
    At one time in Afghanistan, the issue of attacks on Mujahideen camps located in Pakistan was very seriously considered. But taking into account possible political complications, the Soviet leadership did not dare to take such a radical step. Although the military effect would be, in my opinion, very significant. It seems to me that such a comparison is appropriate now. Which is better - to fight against scattered terrorist groups or with a single movement that has strong financial support from ISIS? Questions about the value of the lives of Syrians or Russians are pure provocation.
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 17 November 2015 11: 33 New
      +3
      The Soviet leadership did not dare, but the Soviet commanders of brigades, batteries, mouths very much decided). The effect was very good.
  21. EvilLion
    EvilLion 17 November 2015 08: 35 New
    +3
    Fight with Ukraine? Excuse me, are you fighting nettles in the garden? You can only fight with someone who has at least some subjectivity. However, I somehow don’t want to take responsibility for the crazy population of the whole country, dreaming of a euroea, and then it will blame us, so let the manure lie in its own heap so that then they die for death alone for the idea of ​​Ukrainians.

    Strelkov himself is now simply whining. And there are big doubts that a person who did not have any military experience and education could lead the defense of the city, most likely there were people in civilian clothes, but with a bearing. You know, I don’t believe in miracles.
  22. wild
    wild 17 November 2015 08: 36 New
    +6
    Well, friends, what to do ???? You don’t want a revolution, the rulers of the people can’t change anything through the knee in the pose of a Greek warrior and they put on a thick eggplant to his anus. Or maybe we were specially intimidated by Ukraine to do anything? The people are poor and the top ?? As Ivanov said about Serdyukov, we have no complaints against him. Regarding Girkin, I won’t say a lot of opinions and I’m all personally different. I don’t know him personally, so I won’t judge. But when he was in the Donbas, I respected him and today the attitude has not changed globally.
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    2. guzik007
      guzik007 17 November 2015 09: 36 New
      +7
      Exactly . They have no complaints about Serdyukov, and there are a lot of questions to Strelkov.
      1. navigator
        navigator 17 November 2015 10: 02 New
        -2
        Quote: guzik007
        Exactly . They have no complaints about Serdyukov, and there are a lot of questions to Strelkov.


        And the article about whom? Discuss Girkin, what does Serdyukov have to do with it?
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  23. homedition
    homedition 17 November 2015 08: 43 New
    +2
    Another argument of those who opposed the entry of troops into the Donbass: they say, then the Third World War will begin with the USA and NATO, although neither the United States nor NATO have and did not have any legal obligations to protect Ukraine,
    The author forgets about Poland, Hungary and Romania (NATO members actually), who could send their troops to Ukraine to protect their borders / citizens / interests (underline what is needed), and what would be unknown later. From history, we know that world wars also happened on a less serious occasion (for example, the First World War). How events could have developed, one god knows, but the worst assumptions should not be completely ruled out. In any case, in this situation, Russia would look like a clear aggressor, and how would it affect our economy? Do not forget that the EU has long broken down due to the adoption of serious sanctions and only the crash of the Boeing forced them to introduce. What would happen if Russia was officially recognized as the aggressor? How would China and other countries that are now quite loyal to us behave? About the confusion of the West is not even funny. If the author believes that the Supreme rulers of the leading powers and their entourage are lost on every occasion, then he himself would not hurt to reduce the confusion in his head.
    Regarding Syria:
    under ordinary conditions, consider such a perverse "logic" the fate of psychiatry
    Hmm, but the fact that our army is fighting there, including ISIS militants, who in turn promised us jihad in the Caucasus?
    why did the Syrians suddenly come closer than the Russians and Ukrainians
    Those. does the author hint that it was necessary to kill more Ukrainians in Ukraine? For a second, a legitimate ruler called us in Syria to help us fight against terrorists. Who called us in Ukraine and against whom?
    I won’t write further, so there are already many letters, I need a separate article here, but it seems to me that it’s clear that the author painfully narrowly considers the events he writes about and it would be nice for him to begin to understand what and why, and then write articles.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 November 2015 09: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: homedition
      The author forgets about Poland, Hungary and Romania (NATO members actually), who could send their troops to Ukraine to protect their borders / citizens / interests

      What for? Ukraine has got an association and now these countries will take their “without noise and dust” according to their law on restitution.
  24. andrei.yandex
    andrei.yandex 17 November 2015 08: 47 New
    0
    Lecture by Marat Musin on modern information wars
  25. igorka357
    igorka357 17 November 2015 08: 47 New
    -5
    Igoresh humbly ignored the item "Crimea", the item "Authority on the world stage"! Yes, I don’t see the point of answering the article, well, at least in Syria and Ukraine, did anyone hear about the Ukrainian terror..a about Islamic ... here is Igor Koumekay "Why is Igil needed to be hammered in there, and now, and not later in our Caucasus! Obviously, Igor Kabardin isn’t quite who Klim Voroshilov is, and why was such a tank named in his honor? And Igor sinnedly kept silent that Donbass wants something The Russians brought him independence from everyone with their blood, if there is no Igorek, they want their own republic, let them fight, otherwise Vanya come help and then go home .. good-natured, and so they gave the Baltic states all statehood! Well, what about the punk of entry into the overseas war Igoresh generally wandered fool , it wasn’t necessary ... it wasn’t necessary ... I want to spit out the hunt, excuse me if I offended anyone repeat ! You can see more clearly that Kabardin is sorry for the familiarity from the same Putinslil party, a pronounced article on the incorrectness of the actions of our top leadership! Well, I naturally admit from the Putinvsekhsdelal party!
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 17 November 2015 09: 03 New
      0
      Quote: igorka357
      Well, I naturally admit from the Putinvsekhsdelal party!

      And you too, if I understood your logic correctly?
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 18 November 2015 04: 14 New
        +1
        The king is played by a suite ... vkusse? Do you really think Putin would have stayed at the helm for a long time? Yes, the fifth column, as soon as it senses that the GDP has lost the confidence and support of the people, will immediately try to seize power, but does not do this, because the people he trusts Putin and is proud that he is raising the greatness of Russia, there are of course liberalists too ... Obviously you and the pros have instructed you! And judging by my logic, I am also completely on the side of our president, so he didn’t have to do me .. tolerant and liberal, he just did so .. that only miserable attempts are heard from them on the "rain" and radio channels "echo something there" ... Therefore, put your veiled insult to yourself in the place where the GDP indirectly used you ..
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 18 November 2015 06: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: igorka357
          put the insult to yourself in the place where the GDP indirectly used you ..

          I did not insult you and did not pull your tongue, you are our loyal ... I advise you to turn on your brain before clicking the "Add" button. In your particular case, this is exactly the moment when silence = gold. And by the way, I didn’t set the minus for your roar of the “offended”, by the time this text was written, it was already request .
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 18 November 2015 06: 34 New
            +3
            I don’t think that our dialogue makes sense! Yes, and somehow it’s not because of the rating that I’m sitting here)))!
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 18 November 2015 08: 11 New
              -2
              Quote: igorka357
              And somehow it's not because of the rating I'm sitting here)))!

              You are a monument! Who will put you in prison?
  26. luxprofi
    luxprofi 17 November 2015 08: 48 New
    -10
    Shooters, aka Girkin, cowardly vile. Passing Bandera \ according to preliminary agreements \ land with 650000 people. Those who gave without an order to retreat. Throwing a weapon. I ran running with my tail. The exchange received a corridor for access to his beloved.
  27. Engineer
    Engineer 17 November 2015 08: 51 New
    +1
    My first account was banned for criticizing Strelkov))) Well, okay, then it was fashionable to praise him, they even called Putin's receiver. And I ask Igor (the author) not to call me lord. And to fight with Ukraine, well, if the author has such a desire, so why is he not in the Donbass, Mr. Warrior?)
  28. Jack-b
    Jack-b 17 November 2015 08: 58 New
    -7
    If we are so smart, why are they so poor?
    The author, why are you still not the president with such a gigantic intellect?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 November 2015 09: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Jack-B
      The author, why are you still not the president with such a gigantic intellect?

      And I understand the author: the president of whom (what)? A huge number of wooden pinocchio?
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 18 November 2015 07: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        And I understand the author: the president of whom (what)? A huge number of wooden pinocchio?

        Self-critical.
  29. atakan
    atakan 17 November 2015 09: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: parusnik

    2. It seems that it’s necessary to fight with Ukraine anyway ... Persimmon must ripen and fall by itself ..


    The last phrase is remembered.
  30. RPG_
    RPG_ 17 November 2015 09: 03 New
    +1
    The United States is waiting for this very much and will lead our sheep to this and will most likely bring it. And then they will declare the aggressor and close the new iron curtain. The loss of the Russian market is nothing compared to the subsequent revolution and the division of the Russian Federation into spheres of influence.
  31. Stepan stepanovich
    Stepan stepanovich 17 November 2015 09: 07 New
    13
    "A thief should sit in jail!" (c) Gleb Zheglov

    Privatizing Russia consider it nothing more than personal possession.
    In the ownership of the "elite" not only Russia, but not over the hill were not weakly bought.
    So that they do not tell themselves and their homeland, the patriotism of these gentlemen is selfish!

    We have:
    Foreign “partners” tritely squeeze out “honestly acquired”.
    All these throws of a seized power scum:
    Trying to save yourself and your junk as cheaply as possible.
    These: "Homeland where the ass is warm." © Brother 2

    Here is such a sad oil painting.
  32. gena555
    gena555 17 November 2015 09: 07 New
    11
    The article is mostly correct. I am even surprised that there was an author who was able to oppose the persecution of I. Strelkov. You must have the courage to do this, and thanks to this resource for publishing one defense article as opposed to an avalanche of commissioned publications on the blackening of I.I. Strelkov
  33. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 17 November 2015 09: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: Yuri I.
    In my eyes, his actions in the Donbass look very muddy (in order to state the whole period you need a whole article). Even in the photo it looks like a poser, hung up with ammunition and sat mostly somewhere in the headquarters (rear)

    in order to remove the haze from the eyes, it is necessary or to wipe the eyes or the TV screen, and in order to give such assessments it was necessary at least to be in the basement of that headquarters.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 17 November 2015 09: 58 New
      -3
      Quote: Dimon-chik-79
      in order to remove the haze from the eyes, it is necessary or to wipe the eyes or the TV screen, and in order to give such assessments it was necessary at least to be in the basement of that headquarters.

      It’s also a wondrous remark, what can you do? We are trying to understand the world from the place where we are if we have a head on our shoulders. I won’t talk about TV because it’s a catch phrase from critics. In Girkin's actions, the nodal moment is a retreat from Slavensk. Then he knew the question or did not know about the "north wind". If you knew (and the Minister of Defense of the Republic could, because they should help soon), then it’s understandable why Kurginyan came and sprayed with saliva (his age simply did not allow more). As a result of the completion of the position, the enemy shells Donetsk. Zakharchenko, the guy in power, gave it to the eye (there were rumors about Girkin’s slight wound) and said that you’ll appear in the Donbass - I’ll shoot. The words about supplying the militia for a bargain about Girkin’s non-appearance in the Donbass look ridiculous. Well, now everyone will be abandoned because of him. Then things went, as planned by someone, in their own way, with or without him, as it should be. You can also say about Slavensk, well, but everyone knows the actions in Russia.
      1. Dimon-chik-79
        Dimon-chik-79 17 November 2015 11: 06 New
        +1
        It’s also a wondrous remark, what can you do? We are trying to understand the world from the place where we are if we have a head on our shoulders. I won’t talk about TV because it’s a catch phrase from critics
        I understand, touched a living winked the fact of the matter is very categorical statements that can be made only by being present at the scene, and not from the yellow pages and the blue screen! By the way Kurginyan saliva accidentally came not from under Kramatorsk came)))
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 17 November 2015 12: 48 New
          -2
          Quote: Dimon-chik-79
          I understand, touched a living

          Where did you get it, well, "you can’t put a handkerchief on someone else’s mouth" you can say anything. But it distracts from the essence that I outlined further. By the way, you have more cliches of the “yellow press”, “blue screen”, hints of “sofa guard”. The facts, of course, were taken from the media, set forth in all and not special. My attitude is not formed now, I can give my comments early
          Yuri Y. RU March 24, 2015 11:00 | Strelkov-Girkin. Does the story go on?
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          they judge a man by his deeds ...
          I welcome everyone. I want to say what was noted in the posts above. It is not a matter of his actions in the Donbass, if they were completely mediocre there was nothing to talk about. But in the first interview in Russia, he immediately began to turn in talking about the “north wind”. While official Russia denied participation in any form, except for the personal participation of citizens. Although of course a controversial issue (maybe the Kremlin decided to light up, it’s not clear just why), but it left an unpleasant impression on me. I already said, but once the conversation has started again, here we must take into account the general situation. If there was a desire to drag Russia into conflict, then how? Crimea quietly peacefully sailed away. But there were pro-Russian sentiments in New Russia, which is natural. But in an unorganized form, suppressed by the Nazis (work on leaders). Here Strelkov appears. It turns out that everyone needs it, except for the real Natsiks but their owners. Local leaders are under the hood, but there is one. As I understand it, he held on. But Russia intervenes and takes him out. Maybe in the dark, they used his character, but the logical chain is very probable if you focus on drawing Russia in. A lot of small facts (for example, the actions of the APU in Slavensk) indicate this
  34. Quall
    Quall 17 November 2015 09: 08 New
    +1
    Well, some people want to start a war.
    But here is the author’s rights, if you have to fight with Ukraine, now the price will be different than in 2014. Now Europe doesn’t want to give a lot of money to grandmother. Americans too. Between themselves, Europe and the Amerostan will merge, the former unity is no longer there. In 2014, more than half of Ukrainians' acquaintances kept repeating - we don’t have to climb into our ranks, if Russia comes, we will be partisan. Now almost everyone is repeating that Russia would have conquered us faster.
  35. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 17 November 2015 09: 22 New
    +6
    Quote: homedition
    Those. does the author hint that it was necessary to kill more Ukrainians in Ukraine?
    fascists and their accomplices.
    Quote: homedition
    For a second, a legitimate ruler called us in Syria to help us fight the terrorists. Who called us in Ukraine
    - Vitya "legitimate" also called the people of the South-East of Ukraine.
    Quote: homedition
    The author forgets about Poland, Hungary and Romania (NATO members actually), who could send their troops to Ukraine to protect their borders / citizens / interests (underline as necessary)
    - underline ...
  36. anip
    anip 17 November 2015 09: 51 New
    +3
    If you watch television, you get the impression that we have an implacable struggle with the West. But at the same time, the financial block is investing at a shocking pace the country's currency savings in US treasury bonds, compressing the money supply according to the IMF's first oblique view. Do we have a war with the West for fun? Or war for the lackeys, and business for serious uncles?

    Well, how do you like? This is Putin and his politics, robbing people in his own country (which country is another question for him) and invest in the USA, in other countries, forgive everyone their debts.
    1. Horly
      Horly 17 November 2015 11: 58 New
      +3
      You seem to have hit the nail on the head ... Just answering the question of exactly how to change this means getting under a criminal article ... And the adherents of propaganda from the category "Party is our helmsman!" it is useless to persuade - they will always sail along the indicated stream. And if we go further, then after the betrayal of the Russian people in Ukraine, in the near future, relations with Poland await us, plus those remaining allies in the form of Belarus and Kazakhstan will look more and more at the West (Belarus) and the East (China), since they understand that there is nothing to expect from Russia in terms of development and security, except for “notes of protest” and “indignation”. And if you look completely at the root, then this is the result of the ideology of building a "consumer society" by replacing values ​​and forming the corresponding "elite", the essence of which is the desire to enter the "elite club of the West", but only who will take them there, even with looted fabulous amounts.
  37. Egoza
    Egoza 17 November 2015 09: 55 New
    10
    I will also support the author. The fact that after the words “We don’t abandon our own people” and “let them just try to bomb women and children” nothing happened, simply turned away from Russia those who believed in it. And now they have almost completely hostile states at their side. One part - Bandera and drugged, the second - disbelieving - "everything is under the oligarchs, and the Russians do not care." And the fact that ISIS fighters can pass through Ukraine does not bother anyone? But they are ALREADY treated and rested here. But there was infa that Merkel promises to give a billion euros in 2016, provided that Ukraine will accept 400 thousand "refugees". Then will Russia be better? And in conclusion, be sure to look at the article by R. Ishchenko
    Rostislav Ishchenko: Two words in defense of Strelkov or 157 dollars per head of “hope of the Russian world”
    http://novorus.info/news/policy/41682-dva-slova-v-zaschitu-strelkova-ili-157-dol
    larov-za-golovu-nadezhdy-russkogo-mira-rostislav-ischenko.html
    Rostislav Ishchenko: Two words in defense of Strelkov or 157 dollars per head of “hope of the Russian world”
    http://novorus.info/news/policy/41682-dva-slova-v-zaschitu-strelkova-ili-157-dol
    larov-za-golovu-nadezhdy-russkogo-mira-rostislav-ischenko.html
    1. Dimon-chik-79
      Dimon-chik-79 17 November 2015 11: 45 New
      +7
      The fact of the matter is that "to the word - be strong, give the word - hold on!" They promised protection, it was necessary to protect fully, and not give people hope. Why did they back off?
      1. ArcanAG
        ArcanAG 17 November 2015 12: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Dimon-chik-79
        The fact of the matter is that "to the word - be strong, give the word - hold on!" They promised protection, it was necessary to protect fully, and not give people hope. Why did they back off?


        Do you want to say the same to Strelkov?
        1. Dimon-chik-79
          Dimon-chik-79 17 November 2015 13: 30 New
          +7
          No! With the forces that he had, it was simply not possible to retain Slavyansk. But to keep as much defense as they held is already a feat!
          1. Barmal
            Barmal 17 November 2015 22: 34 New
            +1
            And Putin has a bit more territory than Slavyansk. And if Strelkov had no time to make a new Stalingrad from the city of Slavyansk and end this feat of his and many other lives, then for Russia Putin decides a fate different from that planned in the US State Department.
  38. Roy
    Roy 17 November 2015 10: 01 New
    13
    No dirt can denigrate and discredit the figure of this real national hero of Russia and Novorossii - Igor Ivanovich Strelkov. Glory to Russia!
  39. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 17 November 2015 10: 03 New
    10
    It seems that they will still have to fight with Ukraine, but the victory will have to be mined at a completely different price than in March 2014.

    Yes, the war has long been waged, at least by Ukraine and the West. Can
    call it "strange", by analogy with the war of England and Germany in 1939. And when
    the cold phase will turn into hot - a matter of time.
    And everything that concerns the economy, the author described completely correctly. In reality, things are even worse. About personnel selection - no words, only emotions.
    The article is an absolute plus.
    PS
    I wish the gentlemen of the minusers to experience an orgasm. The epaulette is cleaner - closer to the people.
  40. kirgudu
    kirgudu 17 November 2015 10: 07 New
    -1
    Yes, you pulled up with your Girkin already. I read it on Twitter in the days of Slavyansk, for a month I had enough, then threw it further. One nagging. "If Russia does not send troops today ..." "Urgent need to send troops" ... Blah blah ... blah blah ...

    His figure was too inflated, and his monarchist views and a wave of desovetization on TV suggest not quite patriotic thoughts.
    1. Massik
      Massik 17 November 2015 11: 27 New
      +2
      Hah, it’s easy to write here when you are not under SAUs.
  41. Georg Shep
    Georg Shep 17 November 2015 10: 26 New
    +5
    Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, undoubtedly a real and courageous man and a patriot of Russia. What he proved not in words but in deeds.
  42. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 17 November 2015 10: 53 New
    +3
    All merged together ...

    1) It is necessary to fight in Syria, in Ukraine and at the same time with Japan if necessary. What is the psychology of abandoned children who want all the attention? Can it be that having solved all the problems in Ukraine, Russia will immediately solve all its problems once and for all? Clearly, no. The problems are complex and Ukraine will wait until it ripens itself. Well, or separated forever - the children also separate with their beloved grandchildren and this is not a tragedy. Working historical process.

    2) To hide at first the identification marks are not shame and cowardice, but a military device - maskirovka. Everyone thought that the planes were handed over to the Syrians, and then Putin spoke to the whole world and two days later repainted again in the stars - it turned out beautifully and unexpectedly. When housewarming guests are always better to meet already having unfolded their rifles and bags than during the gene. harvesting in boxes.

    3) Leaning in Ukraine, it would be possible to get sanctions and isolation to the full. Imagine a situation: a communal apartment, a battle for your room. The strongest claims to you, and everyone else is silent and bypasses your room and conflict. Now imagine that you transferred the war to a common kitchen. Here everyone will simply be forced to take someone else’s side and begin to communicate with you, even if against you. Everyone wants to drink their tea quietly. Only genuine Soviet people will understand this analogy.

    4) They also write about money. There isn’t enough type by ourselves, and here we have to feed the newly-minted Syrian relatives. Everyone wants to live like before. But they don’t understand that with such a psychology people don’t give birth and they remain alone all their lives. Only enough money for a loved one. These are the very ones who are for the Russian world within the Moscow region. Like, here I live, and everything else is not my problem Russia, it's Moscow / Astrakhan / and so on. region and that's it. This is an extremely egotistical position that will eventually lead again to principalities and volosts. If there is a war, then money is the last thing to think about.
  43. Victor Kamenev
    Victor Kamenev 17 November 2015 11: 01 New
    -2
    In the last articles I criticized Strelkov, and I don’t consider this to be a matter of cause and slander. If you can have a different opinion from Putin’s “official patriotism”, then why not have a different one from Strelkov?
    Let's say frankly: the authorities of Putin and Strelkov have encountered in a patriotic environment. Putin is the president, and he hasn’t met with Strelkov, and he doesn’t say anything at all ... The Russian media also doesn’t say anything about Strelkov, so who blackens? In fact, criticism in the patriotic editions is issued for denigration.

    The shooters admit irresponsible statements, which speaks of him as a politician. The military is not always a politician, that's what's the matter.
    His position on Putin is intransigent, in fact, he declares his policy to be deeply flawed. This is politically deeply mistaken. The shooters here may be only partially correct.

    And in the Syrian and Donbass question to the position of Strelkov a lot of questions. Nobody threw the Donbass, and will not quit, and what strategy to elect to Ukraine is still more visible from the heights of the Kremlin. Smash the whole of Ukraine as the Donbass, it is always possible to catch. It's amazing that for some reason they think that the West will abide by some kind of agreements ...

    And in Syria, Russia is not at war; this operation can also be called a test in the matter of our videoconferencing system. Ground forces of the Russian Federation will not be there, but if they are, then - "yes."

    The criticism of Strelkov Putin at the strategy level is not convincing, especially since analysts like Ivashov support it. A politician should be able to admit his mistakes, and Strelkov's authority will then increase. Politics is not war, especially domestic policy.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 17 November 2015 11: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      In recent articles, I criticized Strelkova, and in the case, and denigrating this I do not think.

      Do you think it or not, but this, according to the majority, is a fact. You hit the recumbent, shoot your back.
      However, for you we are hardly ours. I understand that you work for enemies, knowingly or not, but it is.
      1. The lead
        The lead 17 November 2015 13: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Bison
        shoot your back.
        It’s very precisely noticed. There people fight for the people, risk their health and life, spill their blood, and here all kinds of people ... really shoot them in the back. Ukrofashists in the chest, and these in the back, even more shameful. reckon ... There is zero patriotism.
  44. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 17 November 2015 11: 05 New
    +1
    From the article
    The same people who justified the shameful self-removal in Ukraine, equally fiercely supported military intervention in Syria.

    Auto RU:
    If you notice, then in Syria, Russia is fighting against international terrorism.
    Question: With whom will Russia fight in Ukraine? The fascist elements in Ukraine are still Ukrainians, and the rest of the people are far from waiting for the savior of Russia.

    Do not stir up the water author

    Personally, I have never been a liberal and “with rare exceptions” I am quite a patriot: I buy domestic products and have a rest only in Russia. For many reasons, your humble servant does not have a goal to indiscriminately defame the president or his entourage, but he firmly adheres to the principle “by their deeds you will recognize them.” By deeds, not by words!


    What do you expect from your president? Probably ill-conceived actions, then to mess up another article? Do you really think that a person endowed with his power and responsibility did not go through all the available options? And the most intelligent, Igor Kabardin, came and arranged everything on the shelves of what needed to be done and what God forbid.
  45. Nikita Gromov
    Nikita Gromov 17 November 2015 11: 18 New
    +3
    The liberal lobby in the Kremlin, represented by the rodent-surkov, through direct blackmail changed all the first state-patriotic leadership of Novorossia to its proteges. And strangled, thereby the idea of ​​"Russian Spring". But it will never be able, no matter how hard it tries, to drown out in Russian people the Russian national identity that awakened in them in the spring of the 2014 of the year. Igor Ivanovich Strelkov was and is a living embodiment and exponent of these Russian national feelings and aspirations. Therefore, the entire liberal mass media spares neither money nor funds for its slander. Will not work.
  46. gaura
    gaura 17 November 2015 11: 44 New
    +3
    Where does such a desire to create an idol come from? Well, so they are trying to pray on Strelkov, why? Whether he likes something or not is his own business.
  47. ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 17 November 2015 12: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: twviewer
    The war has long been going on, and above all for the minds.


    How will the entry of troops into Ukraine help the war for the minds? Shooters approve Putin? I doubt it.

    Quote: twviewer
    As for the territory, how much of that true “Ukraine” is a scrap? Everything else is "primordially" Russian lands.


    The whole territory of Ukraine is a native Russian land. So what?
    What percentage of Ukrainians supports the entry of Russian troops? And what percentage is extremely negative to the Russian invasion? What do you plan to do with these people?

    Quote: twviewer
    Pressure on the economy: we have long put the Western economic yoke on the neck and will continue to bear it, saying that it could be even worse?


    Sanctions help us. Import substitution, although slowly, is proceeding.

    Quote: twviewer
    In the nuclear industry, for example, the share of foreign capital is 90% :)


    Where does the information come from?
    Of those that I know - SCK, MCC, NZKhK are wholly owned by TVEL. Mining enterprises are wholly owned by ARMZ. Maybe nuclear plants sold to foreigners?
  48. Buffalo
    Buffalo 17 November 2015 12: 05 New
    -3
    The author, Igor Kabardin, judging by the article, is not a very knowledgeable person.
    1. In Syria. Here you are clearly mistaken. The destruction of the IG in Syria is the optimal solution. When the IS will be in Russia, there will be much more victims, destruction, the consequences will be more severe.
    2. In financial policy and economics.
    The impression is that the author does not read anything at all except VO.
    He did not notice that Russia sells US securities, gets rid of dollars, and buys gold in bulk. I did not notice that a decision was made on an additional monetary (ruble) issue, for a huge amount. The author did not notice that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation called for order and significantly curbed its independence.
    For the entire economy, I will not say, but to deny that since 2006 enormous money has been invested in industry, primarily in the defense industry, is senseless. - It is a fact.
    How could you not notice the formation of the BRICS? How could you not notice the transition in mutual trade to the national currency, bypassing the dollar.
    How could you not notice the announcement of the intention to keep state reserves in RMB in the future ?!
    The comrade managed not to notice the prohibitions by Russian officials to have real estate abroad. Recommendations of the Russian authorities on the return of deposits to Russia, after the incident with Cypriot banks.
    In short, the allegations on this point are absurd and based on nothing.
    How could you not notice the extensive anti-corruption campaign ?!

    Conclusion: an attempt to speak out in support of Strelkov, in itself
    positive. But, it is made so clumsy that it looks like a bear service.
    1. Petr7
      Petr7 17 November 2015 21: 17 New
      +1
      after reading
      Quote: Bison
      a decision was made on an additional monetary (ruble) issue, for a huge amount.
      I did not want to read further. A man doesn’t read “nothing but IN” - I VERY recommend to read Fritz Morgen (aka Oleg Makarenko), I don’t like everything he writes, but he writes professionally enough about finance and politics
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 17 November 2015 23: 05 New
        +1
        And for comparison, you still read Spydell, also a person professionally lays out everything, with links to statistics, and then compare who is more to you and what will convince you ...
  49. demo
    demo 17 November 2015 12: 20 New
    +5
    And now you can throw tomatoes. I am all yours, gentlemen!
    Author Igor Kabardin

    Dear author.
    Now you will fly not only tomatoes, but also stones.
    But in fact the following.
    You attracted our attention to this article using an exciting factor - the name of a well-known person - Strelkov.
    And in the article itself, they raised the cornerstone questions that are most directly related to all of us, to our life. To our "tomorrow".
    All that you have expressed, and those questions that have been raised, cause different people to have different reactions.
    But you all noticed correctly.
    I would like to supplement some sections.
    I don’t understand at all how, as visitors to this resource, we can simultaneously have two diametrically opposite approaches to assessing the activity of our supreme.
    All achievements that we interpret as victories, we unanimously attribute GDP to talent.
    All the negative phenomena that take place in our daily lives, we unanimously attribute to the machinations of the liberal fifth column.
    But “do not believe your eyes,” the Holy Scriptures say.
    After all, those and others are looking at us from TV screens every day.
    They debate, they report on the work done, they are criticized. Sometimes punished and removed from office.
    We even hear that many celebrate their birthdays in a narrow circle, with each other, in family.
    Will you invite a person to your home if he has stolen a silver spoon from your friend’s house?
    No?
    Will you take this to work for yourself?
    Also no?
    But “there”, “with them”, it is “not a bit of a mess”.
    And why not?
    The answer is obvious.

    Come on.
    We completely ceased to objectively and critically perceive information.
    Well, a person cannot cooperate with those who, by their very core, stand in stiff opposition to him.
    This is to what the Central Bank of the Russian Federation does with the income received.
    A person cannot calmly react to what is in conflict with his life principles.
    Therefore, the declared, declared principles are not life-affirming in a person.
    So he is a hypocrite and a liar.

    A person cannot fight corruption without knowing that in his ENVIRONMENT are people who have stolen, robbed the Russian people yesterday, are stealing today and are not going to stop it tomorrow.
    Yet he knows.
  50. demo
    demo 17 November 2015 12: 20 New
    +1
    To the last penny.
    And the thief knows that his exploits are known to the supreme.
    But everyone coexists quietly.
    And why not?

    Yes, because the supreme profitable to keep his roguish official in check.
    So that at any moment it was possible to press "to the nail."
    And he, realizing this, behaves correctly.
    And if something didn’t grow together somewhere, then he sat for a year in the backyards, in the experimental laboratories of engine building, and again he climbed up the hill.

    Does this fact have to tell you at least something?
    It is strange that we cannot interpret this unequivocally.
    Again, pink glasses appear at the wrong time.
    Again, behind the back of the tsar’s king, the boyars are repairing tyranny, he is cordial, naive, kind, sees nothing, hears nothing, he will not tell anyone.
    From our naive Russian people, to stupor.

    I have once spoken out about the fact that a person who has lived to be 60 years old, who has gone through a harsh school of life, who walked along the edge of a knife in his activity in St. Petersburg, who ascended by chance to the top of power, cannot rely on the love and reverence of the people.
    Love is human, fleeting.
    From love to hate one step.
    You can and must rely on those. Who with the rise to power began to rapidly grow rich.
    Indecently swiftly.
    Defiantly.
    Here he will rely on such.
    Judo trainers.
    And judo after.
    Which owe him the grave of life.
    Which, if removed from power, will lose everything in one minute.

    That is why the question of increasing the value of fish and increasing the age of retirement is being considered.
    And the roads. Previously free, will be paid.
    And the rest that was previously obvious will be incredible.

    I wish you all good health.
    It is very scary and dangerous to live in times of change.