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Well, these are harmful Russian! Where do Ukrainians make a living?

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Sometimes you want to write not an article, but such an essay. Philosophical-not-know-what thoughts. Just sit and write your own opinion about some completely imperceptible fact.




So many copies broken in Ukraine. Theoretically, I can now spread another on a plate. But I do not want. Today I just want to laugh a little. And above us, maybe. And above them.

Remember the recent initiative of several deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation about a life ban on entry into Russia for all participants of the ATO in Ukraine? I will not write about whether this is right or wrong. I will not express the opinion of one or another part of our people. What for? The people already understand everything, and have already decided everything for themselves. I think that in Russia we will not see Ukrainians with their own orders on their chests for a long time.

Not those that will come as part of some official delegations, but those who will go to 9 May to the eternal flame. Or 2 August. Ukraine has become a swear word for a long time. And the Ukrainian orders in our country - as a sign of a special abomination. But you can not wear ... Young was stupid ...

Today I am interested in another. The reaction of Ukrainian politicians to such a proposal. In particular, the ambassador of Ukraine to the USA Valery Chaly. Agree, the ambassador - not a small person in foreign policy. As a general. Only in another department.

"I could not resist. Not at the post. Excuse me. Here in the Russian State Duma they propose banning entry to Russia for life for members of the ATO. What a cynicism and mockery of common sense! As they say: from a sore head - to a healthy one! I did not have to be at the forefront. At that time, by diplomatic means, we stopped a full-scale war. ”

This is in vain. For a diplomat, endurance is like a military reaction. If this feeling is not, then die soon. And about the healer's abilities ... m-yes ... Pan Chaly, not only to the doctor, does not pull on the shaman.

How so? Russia isolates itself from the rest of the world! And do not laugh. If the murderers of Donetsk children do not come to us, we will remain in complete ... isolation. Do not pay much attention to the word “isolation”. The author had in mind just the word that you thought.

I feel very sorry for myself. And not only yourself, but all of you, Russians. This is what you need to be ghouls, so that to us, besides the participants of the Ukrainian ATO, murderers and rapists, nobody wanted to go? But somewhere there are scientists, artists, writers, directors, artists ... And to us only killers ... and if not distinguished, then there is nothing to do in Russia.

“You can bring me. And I’ll try to ensure that all Russian politicians, the initiators of this crazy idea, are banned from entering Ukraine and the United States, with all the attendant circumstances. ”

But I, too, for ... Forbid to hell. And then ride around the world as their own country house. Simple people, means, collect money, wait for holiday, and these ride. But the question is: what does the Ukrainian ambassador have to do with banning entry into the United States? Megalomania? Not sure. Rather a parallel reality.

Probably, readers do not know where it started. It’s not just the Ukrainian ambassador and some politicians who run bile through the square. I'll explain what's the matter. So, the Ukrainian long-distance driver, an active participant in the ATO, was stopped at the border in south-eastern Ukraine by Russian border guards and was not allowed into the territory of the Russian Federation. Precisely because the security of such a person in our territory, we can not provide.

Sorry, but not a diplomat or politician. Not even the owner of a bank or factory. Just drove. Taxis and taxis. And the Russian Federation has no extra police to provide security. Not even from the Russians. From the Ukrainians, whom we have on a good area will be typed. The indignation of the punisher himself, and especially Ukrainian journalists, resulted in numerous notes, articles and other rubbish in ukroSMI.

After that, on November 5, deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation from the Communist Party faction suggested that Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev make a list of participants in the ATO, for whom entry into Russia would be banned for life. They did not introduce a new law, did not organize a hearing, did not announce a nationwide discussion. Just made a proposal to the government.

Always considered our people kind and merciful. And considered himself soft. Once even a cow could not kill. Slack, in one word. But in this situation, we are a beast. Guys, where do Ukrainians earn money? What shishi to feed the family?

Not only are we blocking oxygen with a preferential stay in Russia, there are also many millions (please do not swear, I did not say that, Chaly) do not let people go. Here it is, the hidden gut of the Russian people. He pretends to be a fool and himself ...

Today, I am in favor of the entire Russian (once again I clarify, I don’t like the word “Russian.” For me, in Russia, all are Russian) the people and government of the Russian Federation. Such a decision is necessary in order to quickly restore your native state. Your favorite Ukraine. Leaving abroad to work, including to Russia, you are depriving Ukraine of working hands and feet. I do not know, maybe there are also those who work with their head left.

It is precisely from purely humanistic considerations that I, as a representative of the Russian people, ask deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Russian Federation to adopt a law banning the entry of participants in the ATO to Russia. It is the participants of the ATO as the vanguard of the Ukrainian people will restore the economy of Ukraine, dig up new oil and gas wells, climb into closed mines and destroyed chemical plants. It is impossible to deprive the fraternal state of the most active part of fighters for independence.

It always amazes me when an official, invested with sufficiently large powers and admitted to many state secrets, is engaged as a boy in self-promotion on the Internet. But it amazes me even more that for some, including our officials, this has become the norm. PR can I ... PR can any person, except politician, official and military. These are service people, and any of their actions was and will not be personally an act of a person, but an act of a state official. The man of the state.

And since I am a private person, I will answer the Ukrainian state in the person of Ambassador Valery Chaly as just a face. And FIG knows him ... FIG knows him where Ukrainians have to earn. This is not my business. The main thing is that there will be no such earnings for them. Ukraine tse Europe? So go ahead ... Compete with refugees from Arab countries.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 13 November 2015 05: 58
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    And where do Ukrainians earn a living?
    But what doesn’t work in Europe? Ahh how insulting that ... Galactic scale hail lol
    In general, it is necessary to seriously understand who can enter the territory of Russia and who should give a kick back at the border.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 November 2015 06: 10
      76
      Sometimes you want to write not an article, but such an essay. Philosophically-I don’t know what thoughts. Just sit and write your own opinion about some completely inconspicuous fact.
      Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...
      1. RU-Officer
        RU-Officer 13 November 2015 08: 32
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        Andrei Yurevich:
        Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...

        No sooner said than done! fellow Forward - to the cottage (or at least to the yard - someone like repeat ) Stir the skewers on the frost, but under a hundred or two! .. drinks In the morning he snarled - all day free! wink And although this is not a departure from problems, it’s so nice! hi
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        2. Oman 47
          Oman 47 13 November 2015 09: 06
          43
          Already saliva flowed ... belay
          I envy white envy having such an opportunity.

          The ban on entry into the Russian Federation is the so-called. I SUPPORT "ATO participants" with all 5 limbs.
          At least for the reason that in the Russian Federation there are enough of their own criminals and murderers. request
          Like the mentally disabled ...
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 13 November 2015 15: 00
            27
            Khokhloberdera banned the entry of a huge number of Russians.

            And then forbid them themselves for what? Just think, they burned people alive, women, children, old people were bombed, killed, raped ... Well, they weren’t, they were air conditioners ...

            It is necessary to transfer these people entering LNR directly. They will figure out who their hto is.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 13 November 2015 18: 38
            +1
            Oman 47

            On the one hand, it’s fair to ban entry. But on the other hand, stupid.

            Do you remember Sasha Bilogo. This is ideological. He did things faster than he thought. Where is he now?

            Among participants of anti-terrorist operation there are a lot of such here. Truly dangerous, dumb nerds.
            There is even a bunch of "embroidered shirts" in the expression "cockroach". Which will come, but later.

            Most likely, such a ban is needed for a period of 5 years. To avoid and punish.

            This hysteria will go in Ukraine. Need time. As in life, someone more, someone less.
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 13 November 2015 19: 13
              12
              Most likely, such a ban is needed for a period of 5 years. To avoid and punish. ,,
              war crimes have no time limit.
              1. OlegLex
                OlegLex 14 November 2015 20: 59
                +1
                Their crimes do not have a statute of limitations, so let them come, let's meet!
            2. uragan114
              uragan114 13 November 2015 22: 24
              26
              "There is even a bunch of" embroidered shirts "in the expression" cockroach. "Which will come, but later.

              Most likely, such a ban is needed for a period of 5 years. To avoid and punish. "

              Have you seen photos of old farts in the form of UPA with MP 40? How many years have passed, but they did not understand anything.
              So the ban on entry should be lifelong, with no options. Otherwise, many years later, we will look at other old farts in the form of UPA from AK-participants of the ATO
              1. scout
                scout 13 November 2015 23: 28
                10
                In order not to look at the UPA form with AK many years later, they must be completely destroyed and without turning, without liberal snot and democratic fairy tales about re-education. Otherwise, sooner or later they will crawl out of their holes.
                1. efimich41
                  efimich41 14 November 2015 09: 15
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                  uragan114 RU Yesterday, 22:24 PM ↑ New

                  "There is even a bunch of" embroidered shirts "in the expression" cockroach. "Which will come, but later.

                  Most likely, such a ban is needed for a period of 5 years. To avoid and punish. "

                  Have you seen photos of old farts in the form of UPA with MP 40? How many years have passed, but they did not understand anything.
                  So the ban on entry should be lifelong, with no options. Otherwise, many years later, we will look at other old farts in the form of UPA from AK-participants of the ATO


                  I fully agree with your proposal. If J.V. Stalin at one time did not expel the Benderaites to places not so remote, but would destroy them all, or at least give them all life sentences, then today Ukraine would be a normal state. I put "+".
                  1. severniy
                    severniy 14 November 2015 18: 17
                    +2
                    It always amazes me when an official with enough powers and admitted to many state secrets is engaged, as a boy, in Internet self-PR

                    gee and our wedmedik got under the hot hand laughing ...
                2. boggy
                  boggy 14 November 2015 20: 27
                  0
                  EXACTLY!
                  It will not work otherwise.
            3. OlegLex
              OlegLex 14 November 2015 20: 57
              0
              Their crimes have no statute of limitations, so don’t come in five years, we will meet them here.
            4. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 15 November 2015 12: 33
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              Among participants of anti-terrorist operation there are a lot of such here. Truly dangerous, dumb nerds.
              There is even a bunch of "embroidered shirts" in the expression "cockroach". Which will come, but later.

              And the children they killed will rise? "Later"? AND? Dead old people, some of them from their bullets, some of hunger, are they how much help them later understanding of ghouls? I like, you know, completely along the leg, whether Sashko Bilyi would have realized "later" or not. He deserved his bullet more than completely. And these critters must never cross our border. And if they have crossed, they should be judged, and judged mercilessly. We do not need any corrective labor from them, and it is unnecessary to feed them in our prisons.
              "Donetsk Madonna" has already pronounced a verdict ...
          3. Suhow
            Suhow 14 November 2015 16: 26
            +9
            I, from Ukraine and do not understand Pan Chaly, won’t want Ukraine to look like Russian-terrorist viysk and naimantsiv, and then they go on a living to earn money; patriots, then let them live in what they did, and practice here for the good of Nenko, otherwise it does not come out well for me to tighten the belt after their next "pokraschennya", and fighters like for my better life will go to rich bread ?? no, let them first of all taste the fruits of their labors. And the tax authorities pay special attention to them, what kind of shisha do you live on? And then publicly show on TV that some ordinary and not too fighters live with low incomes somehow ...
          4. aba
            aba 15 November 2015 21: 47
            0
            The ban on entry into the Russian Federation, the so-called. "ATO participants" SUPPORT

            Well, no, don’t forbid, let them drive in. And here they are judged as war criminals!
          5. Marconi41
            Marconi41 16 November 2015 01: 19
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            Quote: Oman 47
            in the Russian Federation and their criminals and murderers enough.

            Any combatant has mental disabilities. Over time, this passes, but for everyone it is different. So you are right - they have nothing to do here.
        3. NIKNN
          NIKNN 13 November 2015 20: 30
          +4
          RU-Officer (1) SU Today, 08:32 AM

          No sooner said than done! fellow Forward - to the cottage (or at least to the courtyard - someone like feel). Stir the kebabs in the frost, but under a hundred or two! .. drinks In the morning he snarled - all day free! wink And although this is not an escape from problems, it is so nice!


          One snout is boring, but in the company, though obscene, but whoever remembers. good
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 13 November 2015 08: 37
        +3
        Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...
        Sorry, but not yet smile (+18):
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 13 November 2015 11: 34
          +7
          ... and the funeral march performed by the masses .... it's like .... a sentence hi
        2. Suhow
          Suhow 14 November 2015 16: 38
          +1
          until the hard workers in Ukraine unite there and they will steer different downs Svidomo or boblorvachi, and so foolish people of eleven and gave upstairs to these upstarts, for the sake of order, lack of tolerance generates permissiveness ...
        3. Your friend
          Your friend 14 November 2015 20: 03
          0
          Quote: mirag2
          Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...
          Sorry, but not yet smile

          Video nightmare, awkward animals ...
      3. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 13 November 2015 08: 44
        +9
        if you look at Ukraine for a long time, then Ukraine begins to peer at you.

        For me, ruin is already a neurosis for the people outside this territory.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 13 November 2015 12: 21
          +6
          Ukraine will not get anywhere from our borders ... as a hotbed of inflammation will plague, disturb and rot ... until it breaks through ...
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 13 November 2015 19: 42
            +3
            marlin1203

            Of course, Ukraine will not get anywhere from Russia. Accordingly, it is necessary to make Ukraine a friendly state, but from the position of Russia the eldest friend is comrade and brother.

            The Russian Empire would not have been created and would not have survived as such if it had not pursued a policy of equal obligations.

            I did not make a reservation, precisely from the position of equal obligations, and not right. Since RIGHTS ARE DICTATED BY RESPONSIBILITIES.

            Of course, everyone remembers the charter of the guard service. The duties of the sentry say that his rights are dictated by his duties. You can’t argue with the charter, it is written in blood.
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 14 November 2015 10: 50
              +9
              I thought a lot about this topic. A lot ... What shall we do with them next? And there were more questions than answers.
              Are we still one nation? Is there a chance for us to coexist together, at least under what guise? What can this give us in general? Why do we need them at all?
              Let's look at this issue without emotion ...
              With the current generation of Ukrainians, and this is a fact, they are not brothers to us. Do we need their land? No, we don’t need them. Our undeveloped heaps. Do we need their people? Only those who want to move to Russia for permanent residence. Do we need them wealth? There is not any wealth. NATO expansion into the territory of Ukraine? They themselves will not get there, and we will "help".
              At the moment, this country with its cunning population is not needed by anyone. Everything that could be squeezed out is almost exhausted. The remaining great Ukrainians are merrily breaking through themselves.
              In its current state, Ukraine is a forty-millionth stone around the neck ... And no one wants to drag it on themselves. Wherever Ukrainians now join the EU or Russia, they will need to be fed and rebuilt. That is, to maintain at their own expense. In this case, gratitude, as you know, will not be, but only a contemptuous attitude.
              And then the question then ... Do we need it? Have we already mastered our territory? Have we created all the conditions for a decent life for our citizens? We probably have a lot of extra money and time?
              My personal opinion is ... These great neighbors need to get wet in their own d ...., "environment", so to speak, even deeper. Build all relationships and business, as with other "European" states. No discounts and preferences. All the temple people go home, to build a bright future. They again had elections, and they again did not choose ghouls for themselves. So this life is their conscious choice.
              It’s time to understand for a long time that ours are those who live inside the state border. And only they need help. With the others only by mutual benefit.
              1. Udofil
                Udofil 14 November 2015 14: 10
                +3
                Man is a creature very suggestible and easily reformatted. For more than 20 years, another generation has grown there. As, however, with us, in the country of the victorious Orange Revolution. Therefore, we must honestly admit that for a long time and for a long time we are two strangers, and now also hostile states and people. And do not entertain yourself with illusions.
        2. Cherdak
          Cherdak 13 November 2015 17: 40
          +6
          Quote: Ded_smerch
          if you look at Ukraine for a long time


          But do you know how they themselves imagined Ukraine only 10 (!!!) years ago in full strength?
      4. Sterlya
        Sterlya 14 November 2015 19: 56
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...

        So I have long been proposing a moratorium on news from the outskirts. for a month at least. How nice
    2. Slavapom
      Slavapom 13 November 2015 12: 31
      11
      Yeah. And let the guys from Ukraine figure it out and decide finally whether they are at war with Russia or not. And then somehow it is not clear, "Russia is the aggressor, there is a warrior with Russia" and immediately Russia does not allow the ATO fighters to earn money on its territory.
    3. vell.65
      vell.65 14 November 2015 12: 03
      0
      How to get Ukrainians to Geyropa is very simple - all you need is to marry the Geyropeys and the family will slowly move to work, but what kind of job they will find after the refugees take up delicious jobs, this is another question. laughing
  2. apro
    apro 13 November 2015 06: 03
    10
    The Ukrainian theme is becoming irrelevant and is being carefully heated both on the other side and we have enough clever people, Ukraine is Russia and the unification of our divided people will take place. Everyone is afraid to say the obvious that Ukraine without Russia has no future, and Russia without Ukraine will face its brothers in deadly fight sooner or later. Depressing is the lack of an official position on our divided people, and all these restrictions proposed by the Red Spears in the Duma contribute to our separation, we thought better how to promote sane and aggressive leaders capable of leading the inhabitants of Ukraine to the fold of mother Russia.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 November 2015 06: 18
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      Quote: apro
      all of these restrictions proposed by the Red Spears in the Duma contribute to our separation, we thought better how to promote sane and aggressive leaders who could bring the inhabitants of Ukraine to the fold of mother Russia.

      Often I read this point of view. Liberals very often say so. Outwardly, everything is true. Poor Ukrainians made another nation. and they are we ...
      And then what about the killed people in the Donbass? How to relate to art by city? What shoot stubborn nezalezhniki? Or in the media? Are there also some journalists who come from Western countries?
      Alas, the position of the main part of the population of Ukraine made it possible to raise animals for which human life does not mean anything. For which even their own parents are enemies. Everything Russian is a priori hostile.
      And you propose to return these people to us? What for? We have few problems? Do we need more problems with warriors who have drunk blood and are now reveling in their own impunity?
      Ukraine still has a long reorganization. with bloodletting, with crying mothers and wives. With orphans. And anyway. who would not win in the end.
      1. apro
        apro 13 November 2015 06: 30
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Liberals very often put it that way

        The liberals will be happy if the Russians kill the Russians, this is their main task, shouting Putin, send troops or Putin has leaked Novorosia to warm up the fratricidal war. Of course, we can say what they did and we did not, but the cards fell out and the game continues and we must win preferably less bloody, to continue to live together and not look at each other through the sight. Overcoming the consequences of the civil war is a difficult process, but it will have to be passed if we are reluctant to finally disintegrate and dissolve in time as a people.
        1. domokl
          domokl 13 November 2015 06: 42
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          Quote: apro
          Liberals will be happy if Russians kill Russians,
          Sorry, but I do not agree. On the contrary, most of our liberals are in the position of ending the war. And you know that. It is necessary to stop helping the Donbass, it is necessary to transfer control over the border to Ukraine, it is necessary to force the Donbass to agree to live according to Ukrainian laws. These are the cornerstones of Russian liberal thought.
          After all, they are the ones who most of all shout about Russia's participation in this war. It is they who publish fakes about armored buryats.
          You confuse radicals such as Girkin and liberals. Girkin calls for the introduction of troops. And these are exactly the opposite. And they blame us for the troubles of Ukrainians.
          And about the last thesis ... Yes, we are dissolving for the second millennium ... Like the Chinese or the Indians. Overcoming the consequences of the civil war is not so much a task for Russia as for Ukraine. Contradictions and hatred among former Ukrainian citizens are going wild. And it is very doubtful that you can just agree. I already wrote and remain with my opinion, Ukraine will face the fate of Yugoslavia. And there’s nothing to be done about it .. Rubicon passed
          1. apro
            apro 13 November 2015 07: 01
            -5
            Not to our liberals what they say they will broadcast from wherever possible, who will also understand our enemies in the person of SGA. Dissolution, if we lose the battle for Ukraine is a step into the abyss. What I pour into the heads of the citizens of Ukraine they say so they and act, this can be overcome by creating a common world for us. The reunification of our peoples awaits Ukraine and nothing else.
            Quote: domokl
            Rubicon passed

            Shalish, we’ll still hang out.
          2. andr327
            andr327 13 November 2015 09: 23
            +7
            and now the most interesting thing: whatever the government and the leadership of the country would do, the liberals will say what is wrong. all wrong. everything is lost!
            1. Referent
              Referent 13 November 2015 20: 06
              +1
              andr327 SU Today, 09:23 ↑
              and now the most interesting thing: whatever the government and the leadership of the country would do, the liberals will say what is wrong. all wrong. everything is lost!

              Liberals - in the arrogant, red faces ..... am
          3. Belousov
            Belousov 13 November 2015 12: 26
            +4
            Quote: domokl
            Sorry, but I do not agree. On the contrary, most of our liberals are in the position of ending the war. And you know that. It is necessary to stop helping the Donbass, it is necessary to transfer control over the border to Ukraine, it is necessary to force the Donbass to agree to live according to Ukrainian laws. These are the cornerstones of Russian liberal thought.

            And this will just lead to new aggression ukrovoyak against Donetsk and Lugansk. Or do you think that they will continue to live peacefully, in the craters from the shells the National Battalions will plant flowers, and the pro-villagers will carry out construction tools and they will begin to restore the destroyed houses? After the escalation of the conflict, it will be impossible to not intervene, for they will cry out that Putin has worn out and the damage to the rating will be substantial. So the statements of the liberals to end the war are nothing more than a request to throw them in a thorn bush. Their mother is a war, otherwise there will be nothing to receive money from behind a puddle.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 13 November 2015 19: 57
              +1
              Belousov

              What, the escalation has already begun?

              Wait. The Russian Federation has already shown its capabilities. The Russian Federation is a guarantor. This is taken seriously.
          4. Belousov
            Belousov 13 November 2015 12: 26
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Sorry, but I do not agree. On the contrary, most of our liberals are in the position of ending the war. And you know that. It is necessary to stop helping the Donbass, it is necessary to transfer control over the border to Ukraine, it is necessary to force the Donbass to agree to live according to Ukrainian laws. These are the cornerstones of Russian liberal thought.

            And this will just lead to new aggression ukrovoyak against Donetsk and Lugansk. Or do you think that they will continue to live peacefully, in the craters from the shells the National Battalions will plant flowers, and the pro-villagers will carry out construction tools and they will begin to restore the destroyed houses? After the escalation of the conflict, it will be impossible to not intervene, for they will cry out that Putin has worn out and the damage to the rating will be substantial. So the statements of the liberals to end the war are nothing more than a request to throw them in a thorn bush. Their mother is a war, otherwise there will be nothing to receive money from behind a puddle.
          5. just exp
            just exp 13 November 2015 12: 29
            +1
            liberals only shout that they are for the position of ending the war, but in reality they are only for and try to ignite it by all means.
          6. BLOND
            BLOND 14 November 2015 12: 30
            0
            "... Alas, but the position of the main part of the Ukrainian population made it possible to raise animals for whom human life means nothing. For which even their own parents are enemies ..."
            This is the "highlight" of Ukraine! And with the development of all relations between Ukraine and Russia, we must never forget about it! No matter how many decades have passed ... no matter how good our relationship has become ...
            Maybe I'm blind and deaf ... but it wasn't like that even five years ago, there was a dispute about the orientation towards the EU or Russia, but Western Ukraine hated the Russians (and the entire population of Donbass) .But in order to brainwash the whole of Ukraine, and put a small part on the position "my house is on the edge ..." even in a nightmare could not be seen!
            Thanks to Domocles for both posts above! I completely agree with them!
          7. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 15 November 2015 12: 45
            0
            On the contrary, most of our liberals are in the position of ending the war.

            Rejoicing and falling into a victorious dance whenever a Russian is killed somewhere. And better - a whole Russian plane. Holiday with the liberals!
            It is necessary to stop helping the Donbass

            In conditions when Poroshenko’s eagles are pumped up with money. That is, tied loans - strictly for war. With money, trainers, equipment, equipment, weapons ... all this flow of aid for the war is growing and growing, and Donbass should stop helping. Yeah ...
            you need to make Donbass agree to live according to Ukrainian laws

            And since Donbass does not want to point out, it is necessary to ... shoot him. For liberal and humanistic purposes. Easy. Well, kill one hundred or two hundred thousand people there. You look - the rest will "agree". And if they don't agree, they still have to shoot. Such is the end of the war from humane liberals. As usual, from under the liberal a bloody puddle of unarmed people who have been killed is spreading irresistibly. First, he affectionately stops helping them, and then comes with a Serbosek. We saw, we know.
            Oh, nausea ...
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 13 November 2015 07: 45
          +6
          Quote: apro
          to continue to live together and not look at each other through the sight

          Question: Do they want to live together? Or does the desire to join Europe conquer all the same? And if Ukraine does not want to be a fraternal people, then force it?
          1. apro
            apro 13 November 2015 09: 52
            0
            We are all able to pose questions both tricky and not very, but in Stalin's terms it sounds like you pose a question, offer a solution, offer a solution, take responsibility, take responsibility, be ready and answer to the party and the people, the party is now gone but you have to answer before the future of our people. Ukraine wants peace and stability of order and the rule of law and material well-being, it’s okay to offer her a detachment from Russia and it will be like in Europe, Russia, represented by the leadership, has not reacted in any way since our defeat, there were objective problems with dependence on the West, but now it’s a question or Russian the world will live or slowly shrink to the limits of the specific principalities. Strength is needed but the strength of the spirit, the strength of the word to be believed again in Moscow.
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 13 November 2015 19: 53
          +1
          apro

          It is not enough to win, it is necessary to keep and keep the victory.
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 13 November 2015 07: 44
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        And you propose to return these people to us? What for? We have few problems? Do we need more problems with warriors who have drunk blood and are now reveling in their own impunity?
        Ukraine still has a long reorganization. with bloodletting, with crying mothers and wives. With orphans. And anyway. who would not win in the end.
        - domokl

        These participants, "heroes" of the ATO and it will be necessary if you want, you do not want to clean up, in spite of any tears and crying.
        At one time, they did not clean up Bandera after the Great Patriotic War, regretted it, even rehabilitated someone, released ahead of schedule, and now they gave a new shoot that crushed the whole of Ukraine.

        And probably no one doubts that this will have to be done. The Bandera Nazis will not sit in their square, they will still trample on us.
        But the eternal ban for "participants of the Ukrainian ATO" to enter Russia, long ago had to be done by our legislators, as they say "yesterday", which would have been for many a sobering and deterrent factor from their participation in this criminal ATO.
      3. Oman 47
        Oman 47 13 November 2015 09: 18
        +6
        In your opinion, how much time should residents of the Great Skakunia cook in their own bloody cauldron?
        Are you sure that the process of "rebirth" into the norm will be solved by itself? From the West, the influence on "the minds of Ukrainians" continues; the picture is already clinical ... hi
        At least 2 generations, i.e. - 40 years; if left to chance.
      4. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 13 November 2015 11: 40
        -4
        domokl
        who would not win in the end.



        ...... all the dramaturgy is precisely in this! ....... why it was impossible .... to live normally .... how did they live? .... because how to live normally ... how did they live .. .. it was already .. IMPOSSIBLE ... but to live better ..... hi like EVERYTHING!
      5. gladcu2
        gladcu2 13 November 2015 19: 51
        -2
        domokl

        Do you want blood feud? Maybe the determinant is who is your bloodline? See do not make a mistake. Because of your mistakes, others may suffer. And you will be outlawed.
    2. vladimirw
      vladimirw 13 November 2015 12: 44
      +8
      And so I will answer: It is necessary to apply the criminal code to the participants of the ATO (and in fact the members of the gangs who killed people), we seem to have an article on the account of the genocide!
    3. Udofil
      Udofil 14 November 2015 14: 17
      0
      If we unite, we will once again warm up a potential traitor. There is no need to go for examples, it is enough to read about the history of relations between these territories and Russia. Not everyone wanted to join Russia, and perhaps Bogdan himself simply intrigued and maneuvered until he cut off his path to retreat. And outright betrayal began with his son and continued until the 90s. 20th century, especially in difficult times for our Motherland. And they are also proud of it. Glory to the "heroes" indeed!
  3. domokl
    domokl 13 November 2015 06: 05
    18
    Yes, they do not work anywhere. Simply because they still do not understand why they began to treat them that way ... Why the killed peaceful "quilted jackets" are more important for Russians than Ukraine's independence. God is their judge. But we don't need such gaster. we can handle it ourselves
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 November 2015 06: 43
    +5
    Compete with refugees from Arab countries.

    Arabs are not going to work. They came to live on benefits. So Ukrainians are beyond competition. Unless ATO invalids will claim for the benefit.
    1. The Chat
      The Chat 13 November 2015 10: 36
      +7
      So compete for benefits, as any ATO participant is already mentally disabled!
      Do you think "ATO heroes" want to work?
      Certainly not!
      They want a "hut, stakes and a laborer in a padded jacket" and sit under a cherry tree and do nothing. Rest after the labors of the righteous to destroy her ...
  5. dvg79
    dvg79 13 November 2015 06: 57
    10
    I don’t understand what kind of entry? Are we fighting with them? wassat
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 November 2015 07: 38
      13
      Quote: dvg79
      We are at war with them

      This is a hybrid war, in such a war is allowed to work with the occupier. smile
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 13 November 2015 10: 25
        +3
        aaaaa who will explain to me what a "hybrid war" is!?! ??! This is when there is no enemy but will bomb and incur losses anyway?
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 13 November 2015 06: 57
    -3
    and why the author so diligently smeared the paper, I do not understand to get into the soul, and in general, there is such a popular wisdom, "before you solve other people's problems, learn to solve your own problems first," what, why Russian citizens should not eat, drink or sleep, but all think about the Ukrainians, where and how they make a living, and in general how to live, or, again, the convenient and beautiful "we are fraternal peoples." The peoples may be fraternal, the Slavs, after all, were born from the same mother, but apparently our paths are different ...
    1. Udofil
      Udofil 14 November 2015 14: 23
      +1
      Precisely, our problem is to take back the lands that have fallen to them from the fat-eaters for free. Give Ukraine within the borders of 1654 !! And about the "brothers" you better read from your poetess snuffle))
  7. Military Builder
    Military Builder 13 November 2015 07: 13
    +6
    I am in awe (this is the most decent thing that came to mind) from the insolence of Ukrainians: "we will never be brothers", "yaku na gilyaku" and many others. others and right there, must provide gas without payment, forgive debts, provide jobs.

    PS. I read somewhere: A condom is a one-time contraceptive, but gandon is forever.
  8. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 13 November 2015 07: 18
    +4
    They are going to work as far as running. I myself met such and for some reason from the west Khokhloma. In Russian they don’t understand anything. Two were at the ATM and looked at him in amazement. Mench was asked why it is not written on the mov. . Let them sit and raise their economy. Or go to a geyropu. There for the Arabs to clean up the garbage.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 13 November 2015 11: 32
      -1
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      In Russian they don’t understand anything. Two were at the ATM and looked at him in amazement.


      Crimean-daughter-officer? Is it not so clear here in Britain?
    2. Stena
      Stena 13 November 2015 13: 25
      +2
      You first learn to write correctly in Russian, otherwise in the USSR this was what you were taught first. And then lie about the fact that Ukrainians do not understand Russian ...
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 13 November 2015 07: 22
    +6
    Figs knows where Ukrainians should earn.... In the EU .. Ukraine is the same Europe ... Che to go to cotton .. When they sober up .. maybe to us ..
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 November 2015 07: 30
    +8
    What cynicism and mockery of common sense!

    Full paragraph. This is what Ukrainians are used to when they are poked by the United States and Europe in everything and everywhere, that they consider this to be the norm and duty of other countries. The parasitic lifestyle of the Ukrainian became commonplace for them.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 13 November 2015 20: 12
      +2
      rotmistr60

      Where are you in Ukraine looking for common sense? There are Western values.

      The other day there was an article on VO about the "Russian soul".

      I couldn't speak. So "Russian soul" is a synonym for common sense.

      And everything else is Western values.

      I exaggerate a little, but the truth is near.
  11. press officer
    press officer 13 November 2015 07: 31
    12
    Quote: dvg79
    I don’t understand what kind of entry? Are we fighting with them? wassat


    Well, how ?! Didn't you know the "customs of the aggressors"? This is usually the way it is accepted - the aggressor usually helps the refugees of the country with which he is at war, also supplies gas, oil, coal and further on the list by "aggressor", which is usually required by the "injured" side. And always with discounts! And it is also so customary for the aggressor to accept refugees, feed them, give them drink and keep them! These are the pies ... with noodles ...
  12. killganoff
    killganoff 13 November 2015 07: 49
    +2
    Correctly - Russian. Russian (Russian) - not true!
    It's like a flag. Russian flag, not Russian.
  13. Tanker55
    Tanker55 13 November 2015 08: 36
    +2
    I put the article PLUS. It is written in simple clear words, but it is difficult to read (this is my opinion). good
  14. Charon
    Charon 13 November 2015 08: 45
    +1
    In Africa, there are dofig diamonds, they will be rich, with dollars and a batley ride. laughing Eh ...
  15. Russia
    Russia 13 November 2015 08: 48
    +4
    “And I’ll try to prevent all Russian politicians who initiated this crazy idea from entering Ukraine and the United States, with all the ensuing circumstances.”

    But this exhaust (according to the dogma not to name), in my opinion, pulls on "persona non grata".
  16. beer-youk
    beer-youk 13 November 2015 09: 15
    +4
    Quote: rotmistr60
    The parasitic lifestyle of the Ukrainian became commonplace for them.


    Their whole history clearly proves that this is not a way of life, but the basis of a national character.
  17. anip
    anip 13 November 2015 09: 17
    +7
    Remember the recent initiative of several deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on a lifelong ban on entry from Russia for all ATO participants in Ukraine?

    A year ago, it was still necessary to do so. It would also be possible to add "Maidan" people and those who "had fun" in Odessa, and indeed everyone except Donbass.
  18. solovey
    solovey 13 November 2015 09: 33
    13
    I personally do not mind the Ukrainians, with their tacit consent, terrible things have been going on and going on !!!
    And about where they will earn - this is not our problem at all !!!
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 13 November 2015 11: 44
      +1
      With the tacit consent of the Russians, thousands of enterprises went under the knife, with the tacit consent of the Chubais privatization, with the tacit consent, millions were stolen and exported abroad, with the tacit consent of one regiment took the city. Continue? Why are you so pitiful, silent and consonant?
      1. Travian
        Travian 13 November 2015 12: 43
        +4
        We were not silent. WE openly spoke on the parade ground to the district commander that Yeltsin-, but Grachev dibil .... in 1994,1995.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 13 November 2015 20: 16
          0
          Travian

          What? Did it help? Shout?
      2. yehat
        yehat 15 November 2015 17: 41
        0
        do not exaggerate. If everyone knew that perestroika would follow the scenario of the Weimar Republic, it would be different. People were simply deceived by exploiting their former trust in the leadership of the USSR
  19. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 13 November 2015 10: 00
    +6
    I personally do not mind the Ukrainians, with their tacit consent, terrible things have been going on and going on !!

    And not with the tacit consent of thousands of people innocently perished in the dungeons of the NKVD? But was it not with tacit consent that Soviet citizens were shot in Novocherkask?
    Yes, peaceful protests at gunpoint are very difficult! And if you remember, the Ukrainian people did not keep silent: Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa and even Kiev. But the protests were crushed, activists were thrown into prison, others were simply killed, and in Odessa they were massively and exponentially burned! There were a huge number of rallies, protests, at which, inter alia, they asked for intercession and protection from Russia. But Russia, for one reason or another, could not help all of them. Thank God, although Crimea was defended and Donbass was not abandoned.
    1. Udofil
      Udofil 14 November 2015 14: 33
      +2
      As for the "innocent perished" in the NKVD, one should understand separately on each case. Do you think that 20 years after the revolution, no subversive work was carried out against the country? And inside there were absolutely no opponents to the new system? It was cruel in Novocherkassk, but maybe it was an analogue of Tiananmin Square? Have you provided 40 years of quiet life with little blood? to be honest, I have not studied this issue. And all the places you have listed, except Kiev, are actually Russian lands, out of some kind of fright transferred by the Bolsheviks to our "non-brothers". Which they in gratitude smear with manure for it. To know what the mood of the Russian population really is!
    2. yehat
      yehat 15 November 2015 17: 43
      0
      How is the NKVD related to events in Ukraine?
      In my opinion, there is nothing in common.
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 13 November 2015 11: 37
    +6
    "I will answer the Ukrainian state in the person of Ambassador Valery Chaly"
    What is that face? This is the face! Kharya the most rabid Bandera Nazism.
  21. kit-kat
    kit-kat 13 November 2015 11: 45
    11
    I will leave it unrated. It seems to be rightly said, but "any Russian is Russian" personally offends me. For some reason, it has become the norm not to notice the Russians - it seems that there are none ("and who are these - the Russians?" - you can hear from all sides). There are Tatars, Bashkirs, Buryats and others (there is a definition for all), but there are no Russians. It turns out that all these Tatars, Bashkirs and Buryats are Russians! For a Russian person, this is insulting. Let's already notice the Russians - the most powerless people in our country!
  22. atamankko
    atamankko 13 November 2015 11: 46
    +6
    The junta is becoming impudent, the United States approves, the IMF supports, the OSCE does not notice: you all went to ....
  23. walrus-a
    walrus-a 13 November 2015 11: 55
    0
    The problem is that there are participants in the so-called ATO from two sides. How do you define these participants? On photos with weapons on Instagram or check the "participant's crusts"? And what about those who were forcibly sent to the ATO zone and he "conscientiously" shot clip after clip into the white light? I believe that each crime should have its own perpetrator with a surname, name and patronymic, and the criminal should be determined by the court. Although the head does not fit how this can be done in practice.
  24. 1rl141
    1rl141 13 November 2015 12: 20
    +5
    Quote: Dimon-chik-79
    And not with the tacit consent of thousands of people innocently perished in the dungeons of the NKVD? But was it not with tacit consent that Soviet citizens were shot in Novocherkask?

    Bad example. Here the motivation is different.
    It’s one thing when someone is arrested and it’s not clearly guilty or not. How would the court investigate the matter. What they hoped for.
    And in dill, most of the population, like donkeys for carrots, trampled into the EU. Some thought, but what? And she said nothing. Another part of the population was on the drum. They lived so well. And those who knew where all this would lead would be left so few that it was not difficult to crush.
    Something like this I see the situation.
  25. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 13 November 2015 12: 26
    +7
    And who will answer me why, for Russians, entering Ukraine is strictly according to international passports, and their people enter Russia according to their internal passports ?! To the mystery of nature ?!
  26. Belousov
    Belousov 13 November 2015 12: 33
    +4
    It’s like in a joke:
    - Mikola, send Mosk.aley to beat!
    - And if they are us?
    - And for what?
    It is high time to introduce such a ban. Since they fought the Russian army so "heroically" there, how do they go there to work, to the aggressor country?!? Let them cook in their jumping cauldron, since they are no stranger to boilers. We have enough of our problems here.
  27. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 November 2015 13: 39
    0
    ... And since I am still a private person, I will answer the Ukrainian state ...


    Correctly answered, nothing superfluous ... Author, you "+".
  28. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 November 2015 13: 43
    +4
    What naivete is breathing from the Ukrainians, the surprise that Russia previously fed them with a spoon, despite spitting and rewriting a common history, a clear preference for Western interests, suddenly banned those who fought with the inhabitants of Donbass from entering their country. I must tell the Ukrainians that this is only the beginning of their humiliation ... the Americans will lay their heads for them, let alone contain the depraved geyropa and will be needed as long as they are able to confront Russia.
  29. Richard
    Richard 13 November 2015 13: 50
    +6
    This year he entered Moscow State University, at 2BO. As it turned out, Moscow State University forms target places for applicants from the Crimea, it does not matter if the first is higher or the second.

    Madame from the Crimea got into my group (I don’t know how she originally got to Crimea. Now we will not talk about the depressing level of illiteracy or the complete absence of ideas about the outside world. This, of course, struck me, but still.

    What plunged me into confusion is the fact that this frankly militant pro-Ukrainian madame, who received benefits (!) For studying at the top university (!) Of the capital (!) Of my country, as well as a hostel in addition, does not stop my country to find fault, to offer Saakashvili as president and to resent the lack of freedom of speech (!!).

    I do not consider the policy of admitting Crimeans to universities to be erroneous. From my point of view, this, on the contrary, is a very competent approach to stimulating the integration of the Crimean population. Moreover, I am convinced that Madame is an exception, not a rule.

    Nevertheless, this characteristically "ukrop" approach just unsettled me.
    1. shed
      shed 14 November 2015 12: 56
      0
      you have had unfortunate incidents, no ... will
  30. a housewife
    a housewife 13 November 2015 14: 18
    +4
    Russia needs Ukraine. Such a large Russian territory. In fact, it has everything for prosperity, like Great Russia! The same reasons do not allow living normally here and there. Only in Ukraine is this already critical. Painfully. But in the end this part of Russia will be returned, like Crimea. It is sad that a huge part of the population will be lost physically, politically or morally. "Thank you" for this to the destroyers of the USSR. He was scolded, in fact, everyone wanted to live in one state, the referendum showed this in Ukraine, as well as in other parts of the Union. The will of the people was to have one Great State. And what the people want, God wants. They are going against God there now. They will pay for it. But everything will fall into place. It's time to collect stones.
  31. yvk-evg
    yvk-evg 13 November 2015 14: 36
    +2
    Oh-oh-oh, and got this urcaina already !!! Everyone rushes with her like fools with a written bag! And she imagined a world value, not realizing that, as in that song of the ever-memorable Makarevich: "And if someone is grooming and undead, it is only the one who then ... will stab." So if we are not going to "then cut" them, then we need to stop grooming and undead, so that the brains work and come to their senses. This means that there are no discounts and preferences, only refugees from the South-East (and then women and children), debts on the barrel, no economic relations (export from urkaina), comprehensive (and military) assistance to Donbas, etc. will be allowed to Russia. etc. After all, this land is OURS !!! ALL!!! COLLECTED AND RECOVERED BY OUR PRECAUTIONS !!! Why are we so liquid observ ... to our ancestors ?! THEY WILL NOT FORGIVE us this !!! We will not be able to return this part of our PRIMORDALLY land - such gangrene will trample on and on to the rest of RUSSIA !!!
  32. mich
    mich 13 November 2015 15: 34
    +4
    Comrades, where is your humanism? They want to work, so let them come and work - in Siberia for food.
    1. chelovektapok
      chelovektapok 13 November 2015 18: 20
      +3
      Comrade Mich, what wrong has Siberia done to you? Why are you scaring the whole dill wash? People live here too, and we don't need any garbage! Especially when winter started. The bears went to bed. In the fall, at least the bears could be fed with these, and in the winter where to put them? Why do we need "robs for grub"? Harchi in Siberia are more expensive than such "prototypes". It is not correct to consider Siberia as a waste disposal site!
    2. shed
      shed 14 November 2015 13: 00
      0
      Ukraine tse yauropa and therefore let the toilets wash the Poles, the Germans turn, not up to them
  33. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 13 November 2015 18: 13
    +7
    They work in Russia, feed their families, and send them to the punitive forces in Donbass. They hate the "feeding hand" until the teeth gnash. FACT! They need an explicit tax to enter% -20 on the maintenance of the RF Armed Forces. With a message to the tax authorities at the place of registration of the ukropasport. And there the SBU will deal with them in such a way that you will not wish the enemy .... Only this way with the Bandera and not otherwise!
  34. Balagan
    Balagan 13 November 2015 18: 38
    +3
    Nafik-nafik us heroes of the ATO. There are enough of its 5 columns, and here also mishandled Cossacks.
  35. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 13 November 2015 19: 17
    +1
    They work in Russia, feed their families, and send them to the punitive forces in Donbass. They hate the "feeding hand" until the teeth gnash. FACT!
    Well, we do not know the same El Dorado (you know what the economic situation is), and basically if people come, then with not "greasy" brains and Russians who are brotherly related to us, that is, they are generally the majority. And for the long euro, this is Poland and beyond (although there is no sugar there now, you know competition winked , but nonetheless). But it is also true that we should not directly, indirectly, feed the fascist regime and it might be a really good decision to grant citizenship to those who want to work in the Russian Federation and their families under the resettlement program. Well, as an option.
    And no matter how we belong to the top of the Ukrainian junta, we should not forget that most Russians associate family ties with Ukrainians to one degree or another, and probably you should not project your righteous anger over the entire population of unhappy Ukraine.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 14 November 2015 19: 19
      0
      This is about those relatives who hang up after shouting "Is Rashka attacking us?"
  36. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 13 November 2015 19: 34
    0
    Quote: Cherdak
    Quote: Ded_smerch
    if you look at Ukraine for a long time


    But do you know how they themselves imagined Ukraine only 10 (!!!) years ago in full strength?

    Who is so serious? That the journalists that the actors with the politicians talk about some complete seriously.
  37. Yarhann
    Yarhann 13 November 2015 21: 51
    0
    I don’t know the essence of how to name something - what to UNDERSTAND and forgive - as I understand it - yes, for most residents of the Russian Federation, the war in the Donbas and the warriors on both sides are not particularly close and do not care what’s on those. But let's recall the slogans and symbolism under which many ATO heroes perled to the Donbass, not because they fought with the Donetsk people, it all rose, namely because of their bestial anti-human rhetoric, because they are superhuman and subhuman, they must be obeyed and all disagreements will be destroyed - isn't that Fascism - ISIS does not resemble the politics of the party of cattle education - or ISIS veterans also ask friends from Afghanistan, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Tajikistan, and let our country come back and visit us to meet with bread and salt - this was never and never will be - an opportunity to attract such people in one case, it would be public repentance and investigative measures by an individual to search for possible war crimes, etc., etc. - otherwise, this superhuman would be unnecessary under any flag of a passport in our territory, and all developed countries of the world and the USA and the EU would do that
  38. 1rl141
    1rl141 13 November 2015 23: 32
    0
    Quote: chelovektapok
    Comrade Mich, what wrong has Siberia done to you? Why are you scaring the whole dill wash? People live here too, and we don't need any garbage! Especially when winter started. The bears went to bed. In the fall, at least the bears could be fed with these, and in the winter where to put them? Why do we need "robs for grub"? Harchi in Siberia are more expensive than such "prototypes". It is not correct to consider Siberia as a waste disposal site!

    Why don’t they send these tenants to remove the snow? All. When the winter begins. And the wolves will not remain hungry in the winter.
  39. Alfizik
    Alfizik 13 November 2015 23: 43
    +2
    Ukraine and our relations with it should be judged not with the mind, but with the heart. They curse us (the majority), they envy us, they dishonor us in front of the whole world, they kill us in Donbass, on them (taking away from ourselves) and through their fault we spent, spend and will spend a lot of money, they sold the Russian soul. .. Do I want to be with them? I do not want! Until Russian history textbooks appear in their schools, until they themselves transplant all the banderlog, until they "write a letter to the Turkish (American) sultan" ... Until conscience awakens in their souls. Will Ukraine return honor? .. I want you to return it! But not at our expense. The selling girl must stop selling ... Russia did not put her under the Obamka.
  40. Lenin
    Lenin 14 November 2015 02: 12
    +1
    I could not read and understand what the article was about, until at the end I saw the most important lines:
    I can PR ... Any person can be PR, except for the politician, the official and the military. These are service people, and any of their actions was and will not be a personal act of a person, but an act of a state person. Human state
    That’s right and strong. Thank. smile
  41. taseka
    taseka 14 November 2015 07: 31
    -3
    "Ukraine has become a swear word for a long time." - For this one phrase, I am Russian, I put you a minus, because this is not just stupidity - it is a provocation !!!!
    1. yehat
      yehat 15 November 2015 17: 47
      0
      and yet, 404 aborigines have already provided enough negative associations. They quite compete with mat analogies.
  42. asher
    asher 14 November 2015 08: 27
    +1
    It is not necessary to forbid entry to participants of anti-terrorist operation and others like that. On the contrary, such people should be lured so that they simply disappear without a trace in time and space.
  43. Lenin
    Lenin 14 November 2015 10: 37
    0
    Quote: Lenin
    That’s right and strong. Thank.

    I would like to add that the Internet is the best place for leakage of classified information, it is not in vain that the states offered everyone the so-called "cloud" technology (storing information on a remote server), they systematically collect information. And then you read the familiar names of servicemen in various Ukrainian and foreign publications. am
  44. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 14 November 2015 10: 44
    +6
    I thought a lot about this topic. A lot ... What shall we do with them next? And there were more questions than answers.
    Are we still one nation? Is there a chance for us to coexist together, at least under what guise? What can this give us in general? Why do we need them at all?
    Let's look at this issue without emotion ...
    With the current generation of Ukrainians, and this is a fact, they are not brothers to us. Do we need their land? No, we don’t need them. Our undeveloped heaps. Do we need their people? Only those who want to move to Russia for permanent residence. Do we need them wealth? There is not any wealth. NATO expansion into the territory of Ukraine? They themselves will not get there, and we will "help".
    At the moment, this country with its cunning population is not needed by anyone. Everything that could be squeezed out is almost exhausted. The remaining great Ukrainians are merrily breaking through themselves.
    In its current state, Ukraine is a forty-millionth stone around the neck ... And no one wants to drag it on themselves. Wherever Ukrainians now join the EU or Russia, they will need to be fed and rebuilt. That is, to maintain at their own expense. In this case, gratitude, as you know, will not be, but only a contemptuous attitude.
    And then the question then ... Do we need it? Have we already mastered our territory? Have we created all the conditions for a decent life for our citizens? We probably have a lot of extra money and time?
    My personal opinion is ... These great neighbors need to get wet in their own d ...., "environment", so to speak, even deeper. Build all relationships and business, as with other "European" states. No discounts and preferences. All the temple people go home, to build a bright future. They again had elections, and they again did not choose ghouls for themselves. So this life is their conscious choice.
    It’s time to understand for a long time that ours are those who live inside the state border. And only they need help. With the others only by mutual benefit.
    1. vit357
      vit357 14 November 2015 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: Barkhan
      .Expansion of NATO to the territory of Ukraine? They themselves will not get there, and we will "help".

      Do you need a legal paper stating that NATO is already on the outskirts with a signature and a seal? In fact, they are already there.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 14 November 2015 14: 23
        +3
        No, no papers are needed ... The partisan movement will be enough. Snipers firing at NATO troops, blown up bridges, and broken equipment ... Which is happening right now by the way. Well and of course the partisans must be citizens of Ukraine. This is so say moderate opposition, so to speak, the will of a part of the population of Ukraine. Democracy in its purest form. The most that there is no way to the West ... But isn’t that what they do in BV, specifically in Syria. Or do you think getting a job in Ukraine is going to heaven ?
  45. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 14 November 2015 11: 20
    0
    The best thing now is not to write or listen to news about the outskirts !!!
    Us - the army !!!
    Quarantine!!!
  46. vell.65
    vell.65 14 November 2015 12: 18
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    Quote: Cherdak
    But do you know how they themselves imagined Ukraine only 10 (!!!) years ago in full strength?

    After prolonged abuse of the vodka, sometimes there is a delirium tremens, in the process of which it is still not as much a dream as the political map of the world.
  47. vit357
    vit357 14 November 2015 12: 30
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    Undoubtedly, filtering should be, just a list of murderers should be compiled, but by and large the outskirts themselves are Frankenstein’s monster assembled by the Bolsheviks from heterogeneous parts that tear each other apart. In fact, there is a split into three parts: west, center, southeast and therefore my unenlightened opinion needs to be automatically deprived of the right to travel to Russia, the center and the west, who supported the coup, muidan and murders in the Donbass, and already deal with the southeast according to the lists of punishers. Laughter to the curd!)))
  48. gerodot
    gerodot 14 November 2015 13: 30
    +3
    did not understand the author. it is normal practice in jurisprudence to declare criminals as such if the dill taking part in the ATO turns out to be in our country to have grounds for his arrest. it is better to give the same answer as they did, to prohibit the entry of men aged 12-70 from Ukraine (and Georgia).
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 14 November 2015 19: 31
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      Well, from 12 to 70 - you don't need to repeat this stupid trick. It is also legally incorrect about the "criminals", since they committed crimes on the territory of another state. But for a year or two it is quite reasonable and sufficient to restrict entry for "participants of the re-entry". This applies to ordinary soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The ensigns and officers - not to enter for 5 years, they received a salary for the ATO. Well, with the terrorist battalion fighters and the organizers of the massacre, it's a different matter altogether. They have nothing to do in Russia. Or there is something, but behind a thorn.
  49. Kemerov
    Kemerov 14 November 2015 15: 08
    +1
    The difficulties of the Ukrainian people are the Ukrainian people. What are we all worried about? There are enough problems.
    But every crest who wants to take part in the ATO will receive another signal to the remainder of the brain.
  50. andrew42
    andrew42 14 November 2015 19: 25
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    You just need to introduce such a ban for ATO participants. Temporarily for 1 year for all participants (there will be no strength to deal with the "cooks" and "scribes"). And for 10 years for the command "military and administrative staff", for those who received salaries, this is the ATO organizing and supporting. So in Ukraine, workers will remain - for their own good. And it does not interfere with bringing up "children".