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Well, these are harmful Russian! Where do Ukrainians make a living?

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Sometimes you want to write not an article, but such an essay. Philosophical-not-know-what thoughts. Just sit and write your own opinion about some completely imperceptible fact.




So many copies broken in Ukraine. Theoretically, I can now spread another on a plate. But I do not want. Today I just want to laugh a little. And above us, maybe. And above them.

Remember the recent initiative of several deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation about a life ban on entry into Russia for all participants of the ATO in Ukraine? I will not write about whether this is right or wrong. I will not express the opinion of one or another part of our people. What for? The people already understand everything, and have already decided everything for themselves. I think that in Russia we will not see Ukrainians with their own orders on their chests for a long time.

Not those that will come as part of some official delegations, but those who will go to 9 May to the eternal flame. Or 2 August. Ukraine has become a swear word for a long time. And the Ukrainian orders in our country - as a sign of a special abomination. But you can not wear ... Young was stupid ...

Today I am interested in another. The reaction of Ukrainian politicians to such a proposal. In particular, the ambassador of Ukraine to the USA Valery Chaly. Agree, the ambassador - not a small person in foreign policy. As a general. Only in another department.

"I could not resist. Not at the post. Excuse me. Here in the Russian State Duma they propose banning entry to Russia for life for members of the ATO. What a cynicism and mockery of common sense! As they say: from a sore head - to a healthy one! I did not have to be at the forefront. At that time, by diplomatic means, we stopped a full-scale war. ”

This is in vain. For a diplomat, endurance is like a military reaction. If this feeling is not, then die soon. And about the healer's abilities ... m-yes ... Pan Chaly, not only to the doctor, does not pull on the shaman.

How so? Russia isolates itself from the rest of the world! And do not laugh. If the murderers of Donetsk children do not come to us, we will remain in complete ... isolation. Do not pay much attention to the word “isolation”. The author had in mind just the word that you thought.

I feel very sorry for myself. And not only yourself, but all of you, Russians. This is what you need to be ghouls, so that to us, besides the participants of the Ukrainian ATO, murderers and rapists, nobody wanted to go? But somewhere there are scientists, artists, writers, directors, artists ... And to us only killers ... and if not distinguished, then there is nothing to do in Russia.

“You can bring me. And I’ll try to ensure that all Russian politicians, the initiators of this crazy idea, are banned from entering Ukraine and the United States, with all the attendant circumstances. ”

But I, too, for ... Forbid to hell. And then ride around the world as their own country house. Simple people, means, collect money, wait for holiday, and these ride. But the question is: what does the Ukrainian ambassador have to do with banning entry into the United States? Megalomania? Not sure. Rather a parallel reality.

Probably, readers do not know where it started. It’s not just the Ukrainian ambassador and some politicians who run bile through the square. I'll explain what's the matter. So, the Ukrainian long-distance driver, an active participant in the ATO, was stopped at the border in south-eastern Ukraine by Russian border guards and was not allowed into the territory of the Russian Federation. Precisely because the security of such a person in our territory, we can not provide.

Sorry, but not a diplomat or politician. Not even the owner of a bank or factory. Just drove. Taxis and taxis. And the Russian Federation has no extra police to provide security. Not even from the Russians. From the Ukrainians, whom we have on a good area will be typed. The indignation of the punisher himself, and especially Ukrainian journalists, resulted in numerous notes, articles and other rubbish in ukroSMI.

After that, on November 5, deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation from the Communist Party faction suggested that Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev make a list of participants in the ATO, for whom entry into Russia would be banned for life. They did not introduce a new law, did not organize a hearing, did not announce a nationwide discussion. Just made a proposal to the government.

Always considered our people kind and merciful. And considered himself soft. Once even a cow could not kill. Slack, in one word. But in this situation, we are a beast. Guys, where do Ukrainians earn money? What shishi to feed the family?

Not only are we blocking oxygen with a preferential stay in Russia, there are also many millions (please do not swear, I did not say that, Chaly) do not let people go. Here it is, the hidden gut of the Russian people. He pretends to be a fool and himself ...

Today, I am in favor of the entire Russian (once again I clarify, I don’t like the word “Russian.” For me, in Russia, all are Russian) the people and government of the Russian Federation. Such a decision is necessary in order to quickly restore your native state. Your favorite Ukraine. Leaving abroad to work, including to Russia, you are depriving Ukraine of working hands and feet. I do not know, maybe there are also those who work with their head left.

It is precisely from purely humanistic considerations that I, as a representative of the Russian people, ask deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Russian Federation to adopt a law banning the entry of participants in the ATO to Russia. It is the participants of the ATO as the vanguard of the Ukrainian people will restore the economy of Ukraine, dig up new oil and gas wells, climb into closed mines and destroyed chemical plants. It is impossible to deprive the fraternal state of the most active part of fighters for independence.

It always amazes me when an official, invested with sufficiently large powers and admitted to many state secrets, is engaged as a boy in self-promotion on the Internet. But it amazes me even more that for some, including our officials, this has become the norm. PR can I ... PR can any person, except politician, official and military. These are service people, and any of their actions was and will not be personally an act of a person, but an act of a state official. The man of the state.

And since I am a private person, I will answer the Ukrainian state in the person of Ambassador Valery Chaly as just a face. And FIG knows him ... FIG knows him where Ukrainians have to earn. This is not my business. The main thing is that there will be no such earnings for them. Ukraine tse Europe? So go ahead ... Compete with refugees from Arab countries.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 13 November 2015 05: 58 New
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    And where do Ukrainians earn a living?
    But what doesn’t work in Europe? Ahh how insulting that ... Galactic scale hail lol
    In general, it is necessary to seriously understand who can enter the territory of Russia and who should give a kick back at the border.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 November 2015 06: 10 New
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      Sometimes you want to write not an article, but such an essay. Philosophically-I don’t know what thoughts. Just sit and write your own opinion about some completely inconspicuous fact.
      Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...
      1. RU-Officer
        RU-Officer 13 November 2015 08: 32 New
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        Andrei Yurevich:
        Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...

        No sooner said than done! fellow Forward - to the cottage (or at least to the yard - someone like repeat ) Stir the skewers on the frost, but under a hundred or two! .. drinks In the morning he snarled - all day free! wink And although this is not a departure from problems, it’s so nice! hi
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        2. Oman 47
          Oman 47 13 November 2015 09: 06 New
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          Already saliva flowed ... belay
          I envy white envy having such an opportunity.

          Запрет на въезд в РФ т.н. "участников АТО" ПОДДЕРЖИВАЮ всеми 5-ю конечностями.
          At least for the reason that in the Russian Federation there are enough of their own criminals and murderers. request
          Like the mentally disabled ...
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 13 November 2015 15: 00 New
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            Khokhloberdera banned the entry of a huge number of Russians.

            And then forbid them themselves for what? Just think, they burned people alive, women, children, old people were bombed, killed, raped ... Well, they weren’t, they were air conditioners ...

            It is necessary to transfer these people entering LNR directly. They will figure out who their hto is.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 13 November 2015 18: 38 New
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            Oman 47

            On the one hand, it’s fair to ban entry. But on the other hand, stupid.

            Do you remember Sasha Bilogo. This is ideological. He did things faster than he thought. Where is he now?

            Among participants of anti-terrorist operation there are a lot of such here. Truly dangerous, dumb nerds.
            Там даже есть куча "вышиванок" по выражению "таракана". Которым дойдёт, но позже.

            Most likely, such a ban is needed for a period of 5 years. To avoid and punish.

            This hysteria will go in Ukraine. Need time. As in life, someone more, someone less.
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 13 November 2015 19: 13 New
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              Most likely, such a ban is needed for a period of 5 years. To avoid and punish. ,,
              war crimes have no time limit.
              1. OlegLex
                OlegLex 14 November 2015 20: 59 New
                +1
                Their crimes do not have a statute of limitations, so let them come, let's meet!
            2. uragan114
              uragan114 13 November 2015 22: 24 New
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              "Там даже есть куча "вышиванок" по выражению "таракана". Которым дойдёт, но позже.

              Скорее всего такой запрет нужен на период, лет 5. Чтобы избежать и наказать."

              Have you seen photos of old farts in the form of UPA with MP 40? How many years have passed, but they did not understand anything.
              So the ban on entry should be lifelong, with no options. Otherwise, many years later, we will look at other old farts in the form of UPA from AK-participants of the ATO
              1. scout
                scout 13 November 2015 23: 28 New
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                In order not to look at the UPA form with AK many years later, they must be completely destroyed and without turning, without liberal snot and democratic fairy tales about re-education. Otherwise, sooner or later they will crawl out of their holes.
                1. efimich41
                  efimich41 14 November 2015 09: 15 New
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                  uragan114 RU Yesterday, 22:24 PM ↑ New

                  "Там даже есть куча "вышиванок" по выражению "таракана". Которым дойдёт, но позже.

                  Скорее всего такой запрет нужен на период, лет 5. Чтобы избежать и наказать."

                  Have you seen photos of old farts in the form of UPA with MP 40? How many years have passed, but they did not understand anything.
                  So the ban on entry should be lifelong, with no options. Otherwise, many years later, we will look at other old farts in the form of UPA from AK-participants of the ATO


                  С Вашим предложением полностью согласен. Если бы И.В.Сталин в свое время не выслал бендеровцев в места, не столь отдаленные, а уничтожил бы их всех, или хотя бы дал им всем пожизненное заключение, то сегодня Украина была бы нормальным государством. Ставлю "+".
                  1. severniy
                    severniy 14 November 2015 18: 17 New
                    +2
                    It always amazes me when an official with enough powers and admitted to many state secrets is engaged, as a boy, in Internet self-PR

                    gee and our wedmedik got under the hot hand laughing .
                2. boggy
                  boggy 14 November 2015 20: 27 New
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                  EXACTLY!
                  It will not work otherwise.
            3. OlegLex
              OlegLex 14 November 2015 20: 57 New
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              Their crimes have no statute of limitations, so don’t come in five years, we will meet them here.
            4. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 15 November 2015 12: 33 New
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              Among participants of anti-terrorist operation there are a lot of such here. Truly dangerous, dumb nerds.
              Там даже есть куча "вышиванок" по выражению "таракана". Которым дойдёт, но позже.

              А убитые ими дети встанут? "Позже"? А? Умершие старики, кто от их пуль, кто с голоду, они как, сильно им поможет позднее осознание упырей? Мне как то, знаете ли, полностью вдоль штанины, осознал бы Сашко Билый "позже" или нет. Пулю свою он заслужил более чем полностью. И эти твари никогда не должны пересекать нашу границу. А если пересекли - их следует судить, причем судить беспощадно. Не надо нам от них никаких исправительных работ, и в тюрьмах наших их кормить излишне.
              "Донецкая мадонна" уже вынесла приговор...
          3. Suhow
            Suhow 14 November 2015 16: 26 New
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            Я,с Украины и непонимаю пана Чалого ,воны захыщають Украину вид Российско-терорыстычных вийськ та найманцив,а потом едут на заробиткы до ворогив або у эуропу,нужно в самой Украине запретить выезд активным атовцам(добровольцам)выезд за рубеж.Раз они такие свидомые патриоты-то пусть живут в том что сделали ,и працюють тут на благо неньки,а то нехорошо выходит мне после очередного их "покращення" поясок затягивать ,а борцы типа за мою лучшую жизнь на богатые хлеба укатят?? нет уж пусть в первую очередь вкусят плоды трудов своих.И внимание налоговой к ним особое на какие шиши живешь?А потом публично по телеку показать,ато некоторые рядовые и не слишком бойцы при малых доходах както свербогато живут...
          4. aba
            aba 15 November 2015 21: 47 New
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            Запрет на въезд в РФ т.н. "участников АТО" ПОДДЕРЖИВАЮ

            Well, no, don’t forbid, let them drive in. And here they are judged as war criminals!
          5. Marconi41
            Marconi41 16 November 2015 01: 19 New
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            Quote: Oman 47
            in the Russian Federation and their criminals and murderers enough.

            Any combatant has mental disabilities. Over time, this passes, but for everyone it is different. So you are right - they have nothing to do here.
        3. NIKNN
          NIKNN 13 November 2015 20: 30 New
          +4
          RU-Officer (1) SU Today, 08:32 AM

          No sooner said than done! fellow Forward - to the cottage (or at least to the courtyard - someone like feel). Stir the kebabs in the frost, but under a hundred or two! .. drinks In the morning he snarled - all day free! wink And although this is not an escape from problems, it is so nice!


          One snout is boring, but in the company, though obscene, but whoever remembers. good
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 13 November 2015 08: 37 New
        +3
        Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...
        Sorry, but not yet smile (+18):
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 13 November 2015 11: 34 New
          +7
          ... and the funeral march performed by the masses .... it's like .... a sentence hi
        2. Suhow
          Suhow 14 November 2015 16: 38 New
          +1
          until the hard workers in Ukraine unite there and they will steer different downs Svidomo or boblorvachi, and so foolish people of eleven and gave upstairs to these upstarts, for the sake of order, lack of tolerance generates permissiveness ...
        3. Your friend
          Your friend 14 November 2015 20: 03 New
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          Quote: mirag2
          Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...
          Sorry, but not yet smile

          Video nightmare, awkward animals ...
      3. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 13 November 2015 08: 44 New
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        if you look at Ukraine for a long time, then Ukraine begins to peer at you.

        For me, ruin is already a neurosis for the people outside this territory.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 13 November 2015 12: 21 New
          +6
          Ukraine will not get anywhere from our borders ... as a hotbed of inflammation will plague, disturb and rot ... until it breaks through ...
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 13 November 2015 19: 42 New
            +3
            marlin1203

            Of course, Ukraine will not get anywhere from Russia. Accordingly, it is necessary to make Ukraine a friendly state, but from the position of Russia the eldest friend is comrade and brother.

            The Russian Empire would not have been created and would not have survived as such if it had not pursued a policy of equal obligations.

            I did not make a reservation, precisely from the position of equal obligations, and not right. Since RIGHTS ARE DICTATED BY RESPONSIBILITIES.

            Of course, everyone remembers the charter of the guard service. The duties of the sentry say that his rights are dictated by his duties. You can’t argue with the charter, it is written in blood.
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 14 November 2015 10: 50 New
              +9
              I thought a lot about this topic. A lot ... What shall we do with them next? And there were more questions than answers.
              Are we still one nation? Is there a chance for us to coexist together, at least under what guise? What can this give us in general? Why do we need them at all?
              Let's look at this issue without emotion ...
              При нынешнем поколении украинцев,и это факт,они нам не братья.Нужна ли нам их земля?Нет, не нужна.Своей неосвоенной завались.Нужны ли нам их люди?Только те ,что хотят переехать в Россию на ПМЖ.Нужны ли нам их богатства?Нет там ни каких богатств.Расширение НАТО на территорию Украины?Они сами туда не полезут,да и мы "посодействуем".
              At the moment, this country with its cunning population is not needed by anyone. Everything that could be squeezed out is almost exhausted. The remaining great Ukrainians are merrily breaking through themselves.
              In its current state, Ukraine is a forty-millionth stone around the neck ... And no one wants to drag it on themselves. Wherever Ukrainians now join the EU or Russia, they will need to be fed and rebuilt. That is, to maintain at their own expense. In this case, gratitude, as you know, will not be, but only a contemptuous attitude.
              And then the question then ... Do we need it? Have we already mastered our territory? Have we created all the conditions for a decent life for our citizens? We probably have a lot of extra money and time?
              Моё личное мнение таково...Этих великих соседей нужно мокнуть в их же д...., "среду", так сказать ещё глубже.Строить все отношения и бизнес ,как и с другими "европейскими" государствами.Никаких скидок и преференций.Всех храмодян домой, строить светлое будущее.У них опять были выборы ,и они опять на выбирали себе упырей.Значит эта жизнь -это их осознанный выбор.
              It’s time to understand for a long time that ours are those who live inside the state border. And only they need help. With the others only by mutual benefit.
              1. Udofil
                Udofil 14 November 2015 14: 10 New
                +3
                Man is a creature very suggestible and easily reformatted. For more than 20 years, another generation has grown there. As, however, with us, in the country of the victorious Orange Revolution. Therefore, we must honestly admit that for a long time and for a long time we are two strangers, and now also hostile states and people. And do not entertain yourself with illusions.
        2. Cherdak
          Cherdak 13 November 2015 17: 40 New
          +6
          Quote: Ded_smerch
          if you look at Ukraine for a long time


          But do you know how they themselves imagined Ukraine only 10 (!!!) years ago in full strength?
      4. Sterlya
        Sterlya 14 November 2015 19: 56 New
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        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Sometimes you want to wake up, and not read and hear about the Outskirts all day ...

        So I have long been proposing a moratorium on news from the outskirts. for a month at least. How nice
    2. Slavapom
      Slavapom 13 November 2015 12: 31 New
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      Ага. А ещё пусть ребятки из Украины разберутся и решат окончательно, воюют они с Россией или нет. А то как-то непонятно, "Россия агрессор, идёт воина с Россией" и тут же Россия не даёт бойцам АТО зарабатывать на своей территории.
    3. vell.65
      vell.65 14 November 2015 12: 03 New
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      How to get Ukrainians to Geyropa is very simple - all you need is to marry the Geyropeys and the family will slowly move to work, but what kind of job they will find after the refugees take up delicious jobs, this is another question. laughing
  2. apro
    apro 13 November 2015 06: 03 New
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    The Ukrainian theme is becoming irrelevant and is being carefully heated both on the other side and we have enough clever people, Ukraine is Russia and the unification of our divided people will take place. Everyone is afraid to say the obvious that Ukraine without Russia has no future, and Russia without Ukraine will face its brothers in deadly fight sooner or later. Depressing is the lack of an official position on our divided people, and all these restrictions proposed by the Red Spears in the Duma contribute to our separation, we thought better how to promote sane and aggressive leaders capable of leading the inhabitants of Ukraine to the fold of mother Russia.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 November 2015 06: 18 New
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      Quote: apro
      all of these restrictions proposed by the Red Spears in the Duma contribute to our separation, we thought better how to promote sane and aggressive leaders who could bring the inhabitants of Ukraine to the fold of mother Russia.

      Often I read this point of view. Liberals very often say so. Outwardly, everything is true. Poor Ukrainians made another nation. and they are we ...
      And then what about the killed people in the Donbass? How to relate to art by city? What shoot stubborn nezalezhniki? Or in the media? Are there also some journalists who come from Western countries?
      Alas, the position of the main part of the population of Ukraine made it possible to raise animals for which human life does not mean anything. For which even their own parents are enemies. Everything Russian is a priori hostile.
      And you propose to return these people to us? What for? We have few problems? Do we need more problems with warriors who have drunk blood and are now reveling in their own impunity?
      Ukraine still has a long reorganization. with bloodletting, with crying mothers and wives. With orphans. And anyway. who would not win in the end.
      1. apro
        apro 13 November 2015 06: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Liberals very often put it that way

        The liberals will be happy if the Russians kill the Russians, this is their main task, shouting Putin, send troops or Putin has leaked Novorosia to warm up the fratricidal war. Of course, we can say what they did and we did not, but the cards fell out and the game continues and we must win preferably less bloody, to continue to live together and not look at each other through the sight. Overcoming the consequences of the civil war is a difficult process, but it will have to be passed if we are reluctant to finally disintegrate and dissolve in time as a people.
        1. domokl
          domokl 13 November 2015 06: 42 New
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          Quote: apro
          Liberals will be happy if Russians kill Russians,
          Sorry, but I do not agree. On the contrary, most of our liberals are in the position of ending the war. And you know that. It is necessary to stop helping the Donbass, it is necessary to transfer control over the border to Ukraine, it is necessary to force the Donbass to agree to live according to Ukrainian laws. These are the cornerstones of Russian liberal thought.
          After all, they are the ones who most of all shout about Russia's participation in this war. It is they who publish fakes about armored buryats.
          You confuse radicals such as Girkin and liberals. Girkin calls for the introduction of troops. And these are exactly the opposite. And they blame us for the troubles of Ukrainians.
          And about the last thesis ... Yes, we are dissolving for the second millennium ... Like the Chinese or the Indians. Overcoming the consequences of the civil war is not so much a task for Russia as for Ukraine. Contradictions and hatred among former Ukrainian citizens are going wild. And it is very doubtful that you can just agree. I already wrote and remain with my opinion, Ukraine will face the fate of Yugoslavia. And there’s nothing to be done about it .. Rubicon passed
          1. apro
            apro 13 November 2015 07: 01 New
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            Not to our liberals what they say they will broadcast from wherever possible, who will also understand our enemies in the person of SGA. Dissolution, if we lose the battle for Ukraine is a step into the abyss. What I pour into the heads of the citizens of Ukraine they say so they and act, this can be overcome by creating a common world for us. The reunification of our peoples awaits Ukraine and nothing else.
            Quote: domokl
            Rubicon passed

            Shalish, we’ll still hang out.
          2. andr327
            andr327 13 November 2015 09: 23 New
            +7
            and now the most interesting thing: whatever the government and the leadership of the country would do, the liberals will say what is wrong. all wrong. everything is lost!
            1. Referent
              Referent 13 November 2015 20: 06 New
              +1
              andr327 SU Today, 09:23 ↑
              and now the most interesting thing: whatever the government and the leadership of the country would do, the liberals will say what is wrong. all wrong. everything is lost!

              Liberals - in the arrogant, red faces ..... am
          3. Belousov
            Belousov 13 November 2015 12: 26 New
            +4
            Quote: domokl
            Sorry, but I do not agree. On the contrary, most of our liberals are in the position of ending the war. And you know that. It is necessary to stop helping the Donbass, it is necessary to transfer control over the border to Ukraine, it is necessary to force the Donbass to agree to live according to Ukrainian laws. These are the cornerstones of Russian liberal thought.

            And this will just lead to new aggression ukrovoyak against Donetsk and Lugansk. Or do you think that they will continue to live peacefully, in the craters from the shells the National Battalions will plant flowers, and the pro-villagers will carry out construction tools and they will begin to restore the destroyed houses? After the escalation of the conflict, it will be impossible to not intervene, for they will cry out that Putin has worn out and the damage to the rating will be substantial. So the statements of the liberals to end the war are nothing more than a request to throw them in a thorn bush. Their mother is a war, otherwise there will be nothing to receive money from behind a puddle.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 13 November 2015 19: 57 New
              +1
              Belousov

              What, the escalation has already begun?

              Wait. The Russian Federation has already shown its capabilities. The Russian Federation is a guarantor. This is taken seriously.
          4. Belousov
            Belousov 13 November 2015 12: 26 New
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            Quote: domokl
            Sorry, but I do not agree. On the contrary, most of our liberals are in the position of ending the war. And you know that. It is necessary to stop helping the Donbass, it is necessary to transfer control over the border to Ukraine, it is necessary to force the Donbass to agree to live according to Ukrainian laws. These are the cornerstones of Russian liberal thought.

            And this will just lead to new aggression ukrovoyak against Donetsk and Lugansk. Or do you think that they will continue to live peacefully, in the craters from the shells the National Battalions will plant flowers, and the pro-villagers will carry out construction tools and they will begin to restore the destroyed houses? After the escalation of the conflict, it will be impossible to not intervene, for they will cry out that Putin has worn out and the damage to the rating will be substantial. So the statements of the liberals to end the war are nothing more than a request to throw them in a thorn bush. Their mother is a war, otherwise there will be nothing to receive money from behind a puddle.
          5. just exp
            just exp 13 November 2015 12: 29 New
            +1
            liberals only shout that they are for the position of ending the war, but in reality they are only for and try to ignite it by all means.
          6. BLOND
            BLOND 14 November 2015 12: 30 New
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            "...Увы,но позиция основной части населения Украины позволила воспитать зверей,для которых жизнь человеческая ничего не значит. Для которых даже собственные родители враги..."
            Это "изюминка" украины! И при развитии всех отношений между украиной и Россией о ней ни в коем случае нельзя забывать! Сколько бы десятилетий не прошло... какими бы хорошими ни стали наши отношения...
            Может я слепой и глухой... но не было так даже пять лет назад, был спор про ориентацию на ЕС или Россию, да западная украина ненавидела россиян (и всё население Донбасса) Но чтобы так промыть мозги всей украине, а малую часть посадить на позицию "моя хата с краю..." даже в страшном сне не могло привидится!
            Thanks to Domocles for both posts above! I completely agree with them!
          7. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 15 November 2015 12: 45 New
            0
            On the contrary, most of our liberals are in the position of ending the war.

            Rejoicing and falling into a victorious dance whenever a Russian is killed somewhere. And better - a whole Russian plane. Holiday with the liberals!
            It is necessary to stop helping the Donbass

            In conditions when Poroshenko’s eagles are pumped up with money. That is, tied loans - strictly for war. With money, trainers, equipment, equipment, weapons ... all this flow of aid for the war is growing and growing, and Donbass should stop helping. Yeah ...
            you need to make Donbass agree to live according to Ukrainian laws

            А так как Донбасс не хочет наотрез, надо его того... пострелять. В либерально-гуманистических целях. Легонько. Ну там прикончить сто-двести тысяч человек. Глядишь - остальные и "согласятся". А не согласятся - еще пострелять. Такое вот прекращение войны от гуманных либералов. Как обычно, из под либерала неудержимо растекается кровавая лужа из кровушки убитых безоружных людей. Сначала он им ласково помощь прекращает, а потом приходит с сербосеком. Видели, знаем.
            Oh, nausea ...
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 13 November 2015 07: 45 New
          +6
          Quote: apro
          to continue to live together and not look at each other through the sight

          Question: Do they want to live together? Or does the desire to join Europe conquer all the same? And if Ukraine does not want to be a fraternal people, then force it?
          1. apro
            apro 13 November 2015 09: 52 New
            0
            We are all able to pose questions both tricky and not very, but in Stalin's terms it sounds like you pose a question, offer a solution, offer a solution, take responsibility, take responsibility, be ready and answer to the party and the people, the party is now gone but you have to answer before the future of our people. Ukraine wants peace and stability of order and the rule of law and material well-being, it’s okay to offer her a detachment from Russia and it will be like in Europe, Russia, represented by the leadership, has not reacted in any way since our defeat, there were objective problems with dependence on the West, but now it’s a question or Russian the world will live or slowly shrink to the limits of the specific principalities. Strength is needed but the strength of the spirit, the strength of the word to be believed again in Moscow.
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 13 November 2015 19: 53 New
          +1
          apro

          It is not enough to win, it is necessary to keep and keep the victory.
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 13 November 2015 07: 44 New
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        And you propose to return these people to us? What for? We have few problems? Do we need more problems with warriors who have drunk blood and are now reveling in their own impunity?
        Ukraine still has a long reorganization. with bloodletting, with crying mothers and wives. With orphans. And anyway. who would not win in the end.
        - domokl

        Вот этих участников, "героев" АТО и надо будет хочешь, не хочешь зачищать, несмотря ни на какие слезы и плачь.
        At one time, they did not clean up Bandera after the Great Patriotic War, regretted it, even rehabilitated someone, released ahead of schedule, and now they gave a new shoot that crushed the whole of Ukraine.

        And probably no one doubts that this will have to be done. The Bandera Nazis will not sit in their square, they will still trample on us.
        А вот вечный запрет для "участников украинского АТО" на въезд в Россию, давно нужно было сделать нашим законодателям, как говорится "ещё вчера", что явилось бы для многих отрезвляющим и сдерживающим фактором от их участия в этой преступной АТО.
      3. Oman 47
        Oman 47 13 November 2015 09: 18 New
        +6
        In your opinion, how much time should residents of the Great Skakunia cook in their own bloody cauldron?
        Уверены, что процесс "перерождения" в норму решится сам собой? Со стороны Запада воздействие на "умы украинцев" продолжается; картина уже - клиническая... hi
        At least 2 generations, i.e. - 40 years; if left to chance.
      4. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 13 November 2015 11: 40 New
        -4
        domokl
        who would not win in the end.



        ...... all the dramaturgy is precisely in this! ....... why it was impossible .... to live normally .... how did they live? .... because how to live normally ... how did they live .. .. it was already .. IMPOSSIBLE ... but to live better ..... hi like EVERYTHING!
      5. gladcu2
        gladcu2 13 November 2015 19: 51 New
        -2
        domokl

        Do you want blood feud? Maybe the determinant is who is your bloodline? See do not make a mistake. Because of your mistakes, others may suffer. And you will be outlawed.
    2. vladimirw
      vladimirw 13 November 2015 12: 44 New
      +8
      And so I will answer: It is necessary to apply the criminal code to the participants of the ATO (and in fact the members of the gangs who killed people), we seem to have an article on the account of the genocide!
    3. Udofil
      Udofil 14 November 2015 14: 17 New
      0
      Если мы и объединимся, то в очередной раз пригреем у себя потенциального предателя. За примерами и ходить не надо, достаточно почитать об истории взаимоотношений этих территорий и России. Присоединения к России хотели далеко не все, а, может быть, и сам Богдан просто интриговал и лавировал, пока не отрезал себе путь к отступлению. А уж откровенные предательства начались с его сына и продолжались вплоть до 90-х гг. 20-го века, особенно, в трудные для нашей Родины моменты. А они еще и гордятся этим. Вот уж воистину "героям" слава!
  3. domokl
    domokl 13 November 2015 06: 05 New
    18
    Да у них нигде не получается.Просто потому,что все ещё никак не поймут,почему же к ним так стали относиться...Почему убитые мирные "ватники" для русских важнее незалежности Украины. Бог им судья. Но не надо нам таких гастеров. сами справимся
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 November 2015 06: 43 New
    +5
    Compete with refugees from Arab countries.

    Arabs are not going to work. They came to live on benefits. So Ukrainians are beyond competition. Unless ATO invalids will claim for the benefit.
    1. The Chat
      The Chat 13 November 2015 10: 36 New
      +7
      So compete for benefits, as any ATO participant is already mentally disabled!
      Вы думаете "герои АТО" хотят работать?
      Certainly not!
      Они хотят "хату, ставочек и батрака ватника" и сидеть под вишне и ничего не делать. Отдыхать после трудов праведных по уничтожению ей....
  5. dvg79
    dvg79 13 November 2015 06: 57 New
    10
    I don’t understand what kind of entry? Are we fighting with them? wassat
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 November 2015 07: 38 New
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      Quote: dvg79
      We are at war with them

      This is a hybrid war, in such a war is allowed to work with the occupier. smile
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 13 November 2015 10: 25 New
        +3
        ааааа кто нибудь мне объяснит, что такое "гибридная война"!?!??! Это когда нет врага но бомбить и нести потери будем все равно?
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 13 November 2015 06: 57 New
    -3
    и зачем автор так старательно марал бумагу, мне не понятно, чтобы в душу залесть, и вообще, есть такая народная мудрость, "прежде чем решать чужие проблемы, научись решать сначала свои", но еще говорят "чужая боль не ранит" это все тому что, почему российские граждане должны не есть , не пить и не спать, а все думать об украинцах, где и как им зарабатывать на жизнь, и вообще как жить, или же опять удобное и красивое "мы же братские народы". Народы то может быть и братские, славяне как никак от одной матери рожденные, но пути видимо у нас разные...
    1. Udofil
      Udofil 14 November 2015 14: 23 New
      +1
      Точно, наша проблема - забрать у салоедов обратно на халяву упавшие им земли. Даешь Украину в границах 1654 г.!! А насчет "братьев" вам лучше почитать у своей соплюшки-поэтессы))
  7. Military Builder
    Military Builder 13 November 2015 07: 13 New
    +6
    я в ахуе(это самое приличное, что пришло в голову)от наглости хохлов: "никогда не будем братьями", "яку на гиляку" и мн. др. и тут же, должны давать газ без оплаты, прощать долги, обеспечивать работой.

    PS. I read somewhere: A condom is a one-time contraceptive, but gandon is forever.
  8. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 13 November 2015 07: 18 New
    +4
    They are going to work as far as running. I myself met such and for some reason from the west Khokhloma. In Russian they don’t understand anything. Two were at the ATM and looked at him in amazement. Mench was asked why it is not written on the mov. . Let them sit and raise their economy. Or go to a geyropu. There for the Arabs to clean up the garbage.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 13 November 2015 11: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      In Russian they don’t understand anything. Two were at the ATM and looked at him in amazement.


      Crimean-daughter-officer? Is it not so clear here in Britain?
    2. Stena
      Stena 13 November 2015 13: 25 New
      +2
      You first learn to write correctly in Russian, otherwise in the USSR this was what you were taught first. And then lie about the fact that Ukrainians do not understand Russian ...
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 13 November 2015 07: 22 New
    +6
    Figs knows where Ukrainians should earn.... In the EU .. Ukraine is the same Europe ... Che to go to cotton .. When they sober up .. maybe to us ..
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 November 2015 07: 30 New
    +8
    What cynicism and mockery of common sense!

    Full paragraph. This is what Ukrainians are used to when they are poked by the United States and Europe in everything and everywhere, that they consider this to be the norm and duty of other countries. The parasitic lifestyle of the Ukrainian became commonplace for them.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 13 November 2015 20: 12 New
      +2
      rotmistr60

      Where are you in Ukraine looking for common sense? There are Western values.

      На днях была статья на ВО о "русской душе".

      Не смог высказаться. Так вот " русская душа" это синоним здравого смысла.

      And everything else is Western values.

      I exaggerate a little, but the truth is near.
  11. press officer
    press officer 13 November 2015 07: 31 New
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    Quote: dvg79
    I don’t understand what kind of entry? Are we fighting with them? wassat


    ну как же?! Вы разве не знали "обычаи агрессоров"? обычно так принято- агрессор обычно помогает беженцам той страны с которой воюет, также поставляет по "агрессорски" газ,нефть,уголь и далее по списку, что требует обычно "пострадавшая" сторона. И обязательно со скидками! А еще так принято- чтобы агрессор принимал к себе беженцев, кормил, поил и содержал их! Вот такие пироги..с вермишелью...
  12. killganoff
    killganoff 13 November 2015 07: 49 New
    +2
    Correctly - Russian. Russian (Russian) - not true!
    It's like a flag. Russian flag, not Russian.
  13. Tanker55
    Tanker55 13 November 2015 08: 36 New
    +2
    I put the article PLUS. It is written in simple clear words, but it is difficult to read (this is my opinion). good
  14. Charon
    Charon 13 November 2015 08: 45 New
    +1
    In Africa, there are dofig diamonds, they will be rich, with dollars and a batley ride. laughing Eh ...
  15. Russia
    Russia 13 November 2015 08: 48 New
    +4
    “And I’ll try to prevent all Russian politicians who initiated this crazy idea from entering Ukraine and the United States, with all the ensuing circumstances.”

    А вот этот выхлоп (по дрогму не назвать), по-моему, тянет на "persona non grata".
  16. beer-youk
    beer-youk 13 November 2015 09: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: rotmistr60
    The parasitic lifestyle of the Ukrainian became commonplace for them.


    Their whole history clearly proves that this is not a way of life, but the basis of a national character.
  17. anip
    anip 13 November 2015 09: 17 New
    +7
    Remember the recent initiative of several deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on a lifelong ban on entry from Russia for all ATO participants in Ukraine?

    Год назад ещё надо было так сделать. Можно было бы ещё и "майданщиков" добавить и тех, кто в Одессе "веселился", да и вообще всех, кроме Донбасса.
  18. solovey
    solovey 13 November 2015 09: 33 New
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    I personally do not mind the Ukrainians, with their tacit consent, terrible things have been going on and going on !!!
    And about where they will earn - this is not our problem at all !!!
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 13 November 2015 11: 44 New
      +1
      With the tacit consent of the Russians, thousands of enterprises went under the knife, with the tacit consent of the Chubais privatization, with the tacit consent, millions were stolen and exported abroad, with the tacit consent of one regiment took the city. Continue? Why are you so pitiful, silent and consonant?
      1. Travian
        Travian 13 November 2015 12: 43 New
        +4
        We were not silent. WE openly spoke on the parade ground to the district commander that Yeltsin-, but Grachev dibil .... in 1994,1995.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 13 November 2015 20: 16 New
          0
          Travian

          What? Did it help? Shout?
      2. yehat
        yehat 15 November 2015 17: 41 New
        0
        do not exaggerate. If everyone knew that perestroika would follow the scenario of the Weimar Republic, it would be different. People were simply deceived by exploiting their former trust in the leadership of the USSR
  19. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 13 November 2015 10: 00 New
    +6
    I personally do not mind the Ukrainians, with their tacit consent, terrible things have been going on and going on !!

    And not with the tacit consent of thousands of people innocently perished in the dungeons of the NKVD? But was it not with tacit consent that Soviet citizens were shot in Novocherkask?
    Yes, peaceful protests at gunpoint are very difficult! And if you remember, the Ukrainian people did not keep silent: Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa and even Kiev. But the protests were crushed, activists were thrown into prison, others were simply killed, and in Odessa they were massively and exponentially burned! There were a huge number of rallies, protests, at which, inter alia, they asked for intercession and protection from Russia. But Russia, for one reason or another, could not help all of them. Thank God, although Crimea was defended and Donbass was not abandoned.
    1. Udofil
      Udofil 14 November 2015 14: 33 New
      +2
      Насчет "безвинно погибших" в НКВД следует разбираться отдельно по каждому случаю. Вы полагаете, что через 20 лет после революции против страны не вели подрывную работу? И внутри совсем не было противников новому строю? В Новочеркасске было жестоко, но, может быть, это был аналог площади Тяньаньминь? Малой кровью обеспечили 40 лет спокойной жизни? честно скажу, не изучал этот вопрос. А все перечисленные Вами места, кроме Киева, - это собственно русские земли, с какого-то перепугу переданные большевиками нашим "небратьям". Которых те в благодарность мажут за это навозом. Знать бы, какие там настроения у русского населения на самом деле!
    2. yehat
      yehat 15 November 2015 17: 43 New
      0
      How is the NKVD related to events in Ukraine?
      In my opinion, there is nothing in common.
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 13 November 2015 11: 37 New
    +6
    "отвечу украинскому государству в лице посла Валерия Чалого"
    What is that face? This is the face! Kharya the most rabid Bandera Nazism.
  21. kit-kat
    kit-kat 13 November 2015 11: 45 New
    11
    Оставлю без оценки. Вроде бы и верно сказано, но "любой россиянин - русский" лично меня обижает. Почему-то стало нормой не замечать русских - вроде и нет таких ("а кто это такие - русские?" - со всех сторон можно услышать). Есть татары, башкиры, буряты и прочее (для всех есть определение), а русских нет. Оказывается все эти татары, башкиры и буряты и есть русские! Для русского человека это обидно. Давайте уже замечать русских - самых бесправных людей в нашей стране!
  22. atamankko
    atamankko 13 November 2015 11: 46 New
    +6
    The junta is becoming impudent, the United States approves, the IMF supports, the OSCE does not notice: you all went to ....
  23. walrus-a
    walrus-a 13 November 2015 11: 55 New
    0
    Проблема в том, что участники так называемого "АТО" есть с двух сторон. А как определять этих участников? По фоткам с оружием в инстаграм или проверять "корочки участника"? А как относиться к тем, кого насильно отправили в зону АТО и он "добросовестно" выстреливал в белый свет обойму за обоймой? Я считаю, что каждое преступление должно иметь своего исполнителя с фамилией, именем и отчеством, а преступника должен определить суд. Хотя в голове не укладывается, как такое можно осуществить на практике.
  24. 1rl141
    1rl141 13 November 2015 12: 20 New
    +5
    Quote: Dimon-chik-79
    And not with the tacit consent of thousands of people innocently perished in the dungeons of the NKVD? But was it not with tacit consent that Soviet citizens were shot in Novocherkask?

    Bad example. Here the motivation is different.
    It’s one thing when someone is arrested and it’s not clearly guilty or not. How would the court investigate the matter. What they hoped for.
    And in dill, most of the population, like donkeys for carrots, trampled into the EU. Some thought, but what? And she said nothing. Another part of the population was on the drum. They lived so well. And those who knew where all this would lead would be left so few that it was not difficult to crush.
    Something like this I see the situation.
  25. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 13 November 2015 12: 26 New
    +7
    And who will answer me why, for Russians, entering Ukraine is strictly according to international passports, and their people enter Russia according to their internal passports ?! To the mystery of nature ?!
  26. Belousov
    Belousov 13 November 2015 12: 33 New
    +4
    It’s like in a joke:
    - Mikola, send Mosk.aley to beat!
    - And if they are us?
    - And for what?
    Давно пора такой запрет ввести. Раз они там так "хероически" воевали с российской армией, то как они едут туда на заработки, в страну-агрессор?!? Пусть варятся в своем прыгающем котле, благо им к котлам не привыкать. Нам тут своих проблем хватает.
  27. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 November 2015 13: 39 New
    0
    ... And since I am still a private person, I will answer the Ukrainian state ...


    Правильно ответил, ничего лишнего...Автор, вам "+".
  28. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 November 2015 13: 43 New
    +4
    What naivete is breathing from the Ukrainians, the surprise that Russia previously fed them with a spoon, despite spitting and rewriting a common history, a clear preference for Western interests, suddenly banned those who fought with the inhabitants of Donbass from entering their country. I must tell the Ukrainians that this is only the beginning of their humiliation ... the Americans will lay their heads for them, let alone contain the depraved geyropa and will be needed as long as they are able to confront Russia.
  29. Richard
    Richard 13 November 2015 13: 50 New
    +6
    This year he entered Moscow State University, at 2BO. As it turned out, Moscow State University forms target places for applicants from the Crimea, it does not matter if the first is higher or the second.

    Madame from the Crimea got into my group (I don’t know how she originally got to Crimea. Now we will not talk about the depressing level of illiteracy or the complete absence of ideas about the outside world. This, of course, struck me, but still.

    What plunged me into confusion is the fact that this frankly militant pro-Ukrainian madame, who received benefits (!) For studying at the top university (!) Of the capital (!) Of my country, as well as a hostel in addition, does not stop my country to find fault, to offer Saakashvili as president and to resent the lack of freedom of speech (!!).

    I do not consider the policy of admitting Crimeans to universities to be erroneous. From my point of view, this, on the contrary, is a very competent approach to stimulating the integration of the Crimean population. Moreover, I am convinced that Madame is an exception, not a rule.

    Тем не менее, такой характерно "укропский" подход просто выбил меня из колеи.
    1. shed
      shed 14 November 2015 12: 56 New
      0
      you have had unfortunate incidents, no ... will
  30. a housewife
    a housewife 13 November 2015 14: 18 New
    +4
    России нужна Украина. Такая большая русская территория. На самом деле имеющая всё для процветания, как и Великая Россия! Одни и те же причины не дают жить нормально и там и тут. Только на Украине это имеет уже критический характер. Больно. Но в конце концов эта часть России будет возвращена, как и Крым. Печально, что огромная часть населения будет потеряна физически, политически или морально. "Спасибо" за это разрушителям СССР. Его ругали, на самом деле все хотели жить в одном государстве, референдум показал это и на Украине, как и в других частях Союза. Воля народа была иметь одно Великое государство. А чего хочет народ, хочет Бог. Они там сейчас идут против Бога. Они за это расплатятся. Но всё придёт на свои места. Пришло время собирать камни.
  31. yvk-evg
    yvk-evg 13 November 2015 14: 36 New
    +2
    О-о-ох, и достала уже эта уркаина!!! Носятся все с нею как дурни с писанной торбой! А она и возомнила из себя ценность мировую, не понимая, что как в той песне приснопамятного Макаревича:"А если кто-то холит и нежит, так это только тот, кто потом...зарежет." Так если мы не собираемся их "потом резать", то нужно переставать их холить и нежить, чтоб мозги заработали и очухались. А значит ни каких скидок и преференций, в Россию пускать только беженцев с Ю-В(и то женщин и детей), долги на бочку, никаких экономических отношений(экспорт с уркаины), всесторонняя(и военная)помощ Донбасу и т.д. и т.п. В конце-то концов, эта земля НАША!!! ВСЯ!!! СОБРАННАЯ И ОТВОЁВАННАЯ НАШИМИ ПРАПРАДЕДАМИ!!! Что же мы так жидко обсер...ся перед нашими предками?! ОНИ нам этого НЕ ПРОСТЯТ!!! Не сможем вернуть эту часть ИСКОННО НАШЕЙ земли - такая гангрена попрёт и дальше, на остальную РОССИЮ!!!
  32. mich
    mich 13 November 2015 15: 34 New
    +4
    Comrades, where is your humanism? They want to work, so let them come and work - in Siberia for food.
    1. chelovektapok
      chelovektapok 13 November 2015 18: 20 New
      +3
      Товарищ Mich, а что плохого Вам Сибирь сделала? Почему всю укропомойку нами пугаете? Здесь тоже люди живут и нам всяких отбросов не надо! Особенно когда зима началась. Медведи спать легли. По осени хоть мишек можно было бы покормить этими а зимой куда их девать? На кой нам "робитники за харчи"? Харчи в Сибири дороже "працувателей" таких . Это не правильно, - считать Сибирь местом утилизации отбросов!
    2. shed
      shed 14 November 2015 13: 00 New
      0
      Ukraine tse yauropa and therefore let the toilets wash the Poles, the Germans turn, not up to them
  33. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 13 November 2015 18: 13 New
    +7
    Работают они в России, кормят семьи свои, отчисляют на карателей в Донбассе. Ненавидят до скрежета зубовного "руку кормящую". ФАКТ! Им надо явный налог ввести %-в 20 на содержание ВС РФ. С сообщением в налогвые органы по месту регистрации укропаспорта. А там уже СБУ с ними разберётся так, что врагу не пожелаешь....Только так с бандерами и не иначе!
  34. Balagan
    Balagan 13 November 2015 18: 38 New
    +3
    Nafik-nafik us heroes of the ATO. There are enough of its 5 columns, and here also mishandled Cossacks.
  35. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 13 November 2015 19: 17 New
    +1
    Работают они в России, кормят семьи свои, отчисляют на карателей в Донбассе. Ненавидят до скрежета зубовного "руку кормящую". ФАКТ!
    Ну у нас то же знаете не El Dorado ( экономическая ситуация сами знаете какая) и в основном если уж приезжают люди то с не "засаленными" мозгами и по братски относящиеся к нам россиянам то есть таких в общем то большинство. А за длинным евро это Польша и дальше (хотя и там сейчас не сахар, конкуренция знаете ли winked , but nonetheless). But it is also true that we should not directly, indirectly, feed the fascist regime and it might be a really good decision to grant citizenship to those who want to work in the Russian Federation and their families under the resettlement program. Well, as an option.
    And no matter how we belong to the top of the Ukrainian junta, we should not forget that most Russians associate family ties with Ukrainians to one degree or another, and probably you should not project your righteous anger over the entire population of unhappy Ukraine.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 14 November 2015 19: 19 New
      0
      Это про тех родственников ,что трубку бросают после крика "Шо ж Рашка на нас нападает?"
  36. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 13 November 2015 19: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Cherdak
    Quote: Ded_smerch
    if you look at Ukraine for a long time


    But do you know how they themselves imagined Ukraine only 10 (!!!) years ago in full strength?

    Who is so serious? That the journalists that the actors with the politicians talk about some complete seriously.
  37. Yarhann
    Yarhann 13 November 2015 21: 51 New
    0
    I don’t know the essence of how to name something - what to UNDERSTAND and forgive - as I understand it - yes, for most residents of the Russian Federation, the war in the Donbas and the warriors on both sides are not particularly close and do not care what’s on those. But let's recall the slogans and symbolism under which many ATO heroes perled to the Donbass, not because they fought with the Donetsk people, it all rose, namely because of their bestial anti-human rhetoric, because they are superhuman and subhuman, they must be obeyed and all disagreements will be destroyed - isn't that Fascism - ISIS does not resemble the politics of the party of cattle education - or ISIS veterans also ask friends from Afghanistan, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Tajikistan, and let our country come back and visit us to meet with bread and salt - this was never and never will be - an opportunity to attract such people in one case, it would be public repentance and investigative measures by an individual to search for possible war crimes, etc., etc. - otherwise, this superhuman would be unnecessary under any flag of a passport in our territory, and all developed countries of the world and the USA and the EU would do that
  38. 1rl141
    1rl141 13 November 2015 23: 32 New
    0
    Quote: chelovektapok
    Товарищ Mich, а что плохого Вам Сибирь сделала? Почему всю укропомойку нами пугаете? Здесь тоже люди живут и нам всяких отбросов не надо! Особенно когда зима началась. Медведи спать легли. По осени хоть мишек можно было бы покормить этими а зимой куда их девать? На кой нам "робитники за харчи"? Харчи в Сибири дороже "працувателей" таких . Это не правильно, - считать Сибирь местом утилизации отбросов!

    Why don’t they send these tenants to remove the snow? All. When the winter begins. And the wolves will not remain hungry in the winter.
  39. Alfizik
    Alfizik 13 November 2015 23: 43 New
    +2
    Об Украине и наших с ней отношениях надо судить не умом, а сердцем. Они нас проклинают (большинство), они нам завидуют, они нас позорят перед всем миром, они нас убивают в Донбассе, на них (отнимая у себя) и по их вине мы тратили, тратим и будем тратить уйму денег, они продали русскую душу... Хочу ли я быть с ними? Не хочу! До тех пор, пока в их школах не появятся российские учебники истории, пока они сами не пересажают всех бандерлогов, пока не "напишут письмо турецкому (американскому) султану"... До тех пор, пока в их душах не проснётся совесть. Вернёт ли Украина честь?.. Хочу, чтобы вернула! Но не за наш счёт. Продажная девка должна прекратить продаваться... Россия её под Обамку не подкладывала.
  40. Lenin
    Lenin 14 November 2015 02: 12 New
    +1
    I could not read and understand what the article was about, until at the end I saw the most important lines:
    I can PR ... Any person can be PR, except for the politician, the official and the military. These are service people, and any of their actions was and will not be a personal act of a person, but an act of a state person. Human state
    That’s right and strong. Thank. smile
  41. taseka
    taseka 14 November 2015 07: 31 New
    -3
    " Украина надолго стала матерным словом." - For this one phrase, I am Russian, I put you a minus, because this is not just stupidity - it is a provocation !!!!
    1. yehat
      yehat 15 November 2015 17: 47 New
      0
      and yet, 404 aborigines have already provided enough negative associations. They quite compete with mat analogies.
  42. asher
    asher 14 November 2015 08: 27 New
    +1
    It is not necessary to forbid entry to participants of anti-terrorist operation and others like that. On the contrary, such people should be lured so that they simply disappear without a trace in time and space.
  43. Lenin
    Lenin 14 November 2015 10: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Lenin
    That’s right and strong. Thank.

    Хочу добавить, что интернет лучшее место для утечки секретной информации, не зря штатами всем была предложена технология так называемого "облака" (хранение информации на удаленном сервере), они планомерно собирают информацию. А потом читаешь знакомые фамилии военнослужащих в различных украинских и зарубежных изданиях. am
  44. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 14 November 2015 10: 44 New
    +6
    I thought a lot about this topic. A lot ... What shall we do with them next? And there were more questions than answers.
    Are we still one nation? Is there a chance for us to coexist together, at least under what guise? What can this give us in general? Why do we need them at all?
    Let's look at this issue without emotion ...
    При нынешнем поколении украинцев,и это факт,они нам не братья.Нужна ли нам их земля?Нет, не нужна.Своей неосвоенной завались.Нужны ли нам их люди?Только те ,что хотят переехать в Россию на ПМЖ.Нужны ли нам их богатства?Нет там ни каких богатств.Расширение НАТО на территорию Украины?Они сами туда не полезут,да и мы "посодействуем".
    At the moment, this country with its cunning population is not needed by anyone. Everything that could be squeezed out is almost exhausted. The remaining great Ukrainians are merrily breaking through themselves.
    In its current state, Ukraine is a forty-millionth stone around the neck ... And no one wants to drag it on themselves. Wherever Ukrainians now join the EU or Russia, they will need to be fed and rebuilt. That is, to maintain at their own expense. In this case, gratitude, as you know, will not be, but only a contemptuous attitude.
    And then the question then ... Do we need it? Have we already mastered our territory? Have we created all the conditions for a decent life for our citizens? We probably have a lot of extra money and time?
    Моё личное мнение таково...Этих великих соседей нужно мокнуть в их же д...., "среду", так сказать ещё глубже.Строить все отношения и бизнес ,как и с другими "европейскими" государствами.Никаких скидок и преференций.Всех храмодян домой, строить светлое будущее.У них опять были выборы ,и они опять на выбирали себе упырей.Значит эта жизнь -это их осознанный выбор.
    It’s time to understand for a long time that ours are those who live inside the state border. And only they need help. With the others only by mutual benefit.
    1. vit357
      vit357 14 November 2015 12: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Barkhan
      .Расширение НАТО на территорию Украины?Они сами туда не полезут,да и мы "посодействуем".

      Do you need a legal paper stating that NATO is already on the outskirts with a signature and a seal? In fact, they are already there.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 14 November 2015 14: 23 New
        +3
        No, no papers are needed ... The partisan movement will be enough. Snipers firing at NATO troops, blown up bridges, and broken equipment ... Which is happening right now by the way. Well and of course the partisans must be citizens of Ukraine. This is so say moderate opposition, so to speak, the will of a part of the population of Ukraine. Democracy in its purest form. The most that there is no way to the West ... But isn’t that what they do in BV, specifically in Syria. Or do you think getting a job in Ukraine is going to heaven ?
  45. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 14 November 2015 11: 20 New
    0
    The best thing now is not to write or listen to news about the outskirts !!!
    Us - the army !!!
    Quarantine!!!
  46. vell.65
    vell.65 14 November 2015 12: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Cherdak
    But do you know how they themselves imagined Ukraine only 10 (!!!) years ago in full strength?

    After prolonged abuse of the vodka, sometimes there is a delirium tremens, in the process of which it is still not as much a dream as the political map of the world.
  47. vit357
    vit357 14 November 2015 12: 30 New
    0
    Undoubtedly, filtering should be, just a list of murderers should be compiled, but by and large the outskirts themselves are Frankenstein’s monster assembled by the Bolsheviks from heterogeneous parts that tear each other apart. In fact, there is a split into three parts: west, center, southeast and therefore my unenlightened opinion needs to be automatically deprived of the right to travel to Russia, the center and the west, who supported the coup, muidan and murders in the Donbass, and already deal with the southeast according to the lists of punishers. Laughter to the curd!)))
  48. gerodot
    gerodot 14 November 2015 13: 30 New
    +3
    did not understand the author. it is normal practice in jurisprudence to declare criminals as such if the dill taking part in the ATO turns out to be in our country to have grounds for his arrest. it is better to give the same answer as they did, to prohibit the entry of men aged 12-70 from Ukraine (and Georgia).
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 14 November 2015 19: 31 New
      0
      Ну, с 12 до 70 , - эту тупую выходку повторять не нужно. Насчет "преступников" тоже юридически неверно, так как преступления они совершали на территории иного государства. Но на годик-два ограничить въезд для "участников перемоги" вполне разумно и достаточно. Это касается рядовых бойцов ВСУ. Прапорам и офицерам - лет на 5 не въезжать, они зарплату за АТО получали. Ну, с бойцами террбатов и организаторами бойни, - вообще другой разговор. Им в России делать нечего. Или есть чего, но за колючкой.
  49. Kemerov
    Kemerov 14 November 2015 15: 08 New
    +1
    The difficulties of the Ukrainian people are the Ukrainian people. What are we all worried about? There are enough problems.
    But every crest who wants to take part in the ATO will receive another signal to the remainder of the brain.
  50. andrew42
    andrew42 14 November 2015 19: 25 New
    0
    Просто необходимо ввести такой запрет для участников АТО. Временно на 1 год для всех участников (разбираться с "поварами" и "писарями" сил никаких не хватит). И на 10 лет для командного "военного и административного состава", для тех, кто получал зарплаты это АТО организуя и поддерживая. Так и на Украине рабочие руки останутся, - для их же блага. И воспитать "онижедетей" не мешает.