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The Parliament of Catalonia has adopted a resolution on independence from Spain.

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The legislature of Catalonia, by a majority vote, adopted a resolution according to which the province begins legal work on secession from Spain. For the adoption of the resolution, which in Madrid is called separatist, the 62 of the Catalan parliamentarians spoke, only 10 people voted against the initiative.


In the message La Vanguardia says that the resolution was adopted on the basis of the All-Catalan referendum held last year. Recall that then about 80% of Catalans who came to the sites for the expression of will, expressed support for the idea of ​​complete independence of Catalonia from Madrid. At the same time, the Spanish authorities announced that they were not going to recognize the results of the referendum.

For reference.

In Catalonia, the administrative center of which is Barcelona, ​​about 7,5 million people live. The territory has the status of autonomy, although Spain calls itself a unitary state, which virtually negates any autonomous status. The decisions of the Catalan Parliament to obtain legal force must be coordinated with the central Spanish authorities.

Since the tenth century, Catalonia was an independent state - the county of Barcelona. In the XII century, Catalonia entered into an alliance with Aragon and became an integral part of the new kingdom of Aragon, retaining its own crown until the XVIII century, when the Spanish king Philip (Filipe) V eliminated Catalan independence.

The Parliament of Catalonia has adopted a resolution on independence from Spain.


Since that time, the struggle for the independence of Catalonia actually begins. The Catalans suffered the greatest repressions during the Spanish rule of Franco's regime in the 30s of the 20th century.

In 1979, Catalonia gains autonomous status, which is more declarative. The Catalans consider their main achievement to be the preservation of the special status of their native language - Catalan.
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  1. Emulty
    Emulty 9 November 2015 16: 05 New
    21
    The first one went. Who is next for independence in Europe? Scotland, Venice, can independent states in the SGA?
    1. Temples
      Temples 9 November 2015 16: 06 New
      +5
      The first one went.

      Where to?

      1. lelikas
        lelikas 9 November 2015 16: 20 New
        19
        Quote: Temples
        Where to?

        Whence laughing
        in Madrid they call it separatist, - Well, there is a striped flag, the colors are almost the same, but not critical. I wonder who will supply them with humanitarian aid - they will definitely not give us.
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 9 November 2015 19: 27 New
          +2
          Why not give, there is the Mediterranean Sea, the same BDK that go to Syria, calmly and reach Catalonia.
      2. Very old
        Very old 9 November 2015 16: 37 New
        +5
        Pave the way
        Who?
        Basque, Scots, And then there is Belgium, Ireland ... QUEUE
        1. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 9 November 2015 17: 44 New
          +5
          Ирландцы могут очень быстро вспомнить ВСЁ! Ещё 20 лет назад в Ольстере грохотали взрывы и шла практически война.....Нужен только толчёк! А столкновения на религиозной почве сторонников англиканской (англичане собственно и "обангличаненные (во сказал) ирландцы") с католиками ирландцами происходят ежегодно и сейчас!
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 9 November 2015 18: 19 New
          +2
          And overseas Texas is also thinking of secession from the United States.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 9 November 2015 18: 37 New
            +4
            Quote: pvv113
            And overseas Texas is also thinking of secession from the United States.

            I read and still can’t believe in your statements and previous comrades, what Catalonia, what Texas?
            This is for poor, semi-literate people invented democracy, the right to self-determination, human rights !!!
            Many countries of developed democracy allowed rebellious regions to leave their ranks in the last 50 years? Scotland is not an example for you when you voted even without passports, citizenship or at least some kind of protective signs on the ballots, justifying everything with the fact that they have no examples of fraud.
            1. VeryBravePiggy
              VeryBravePiggy 9 November 2015 19: 20 New
              12
              Когда-то все бывает впервые. Новороссию тоже впервые умыли кровью "родные братья"-укропитеки. И грызуны так нагло попытались напрыгнуть на Цхинвал (не берем в рассчет гражданскую войну 90-х - тогда России было не до этого), и ВКС России впервые в новейшей истории вломили бородатым обезьянам не во время наземной операции, а с относительно безопасных высот, высокоточным оружием.
              If the member states of NATO, an aggressive enemy bloc, want to make bloody mess in the CIS and specifically in Russia, then you should not be afraid to do the same with them so that these arrogant and vile enemies have something to do at home, separating their fellow citizens, sorting out their rubble , and burying their dead.
              If bloody porridge is beneficial for us on the territory of states aggressively disposed towards Russia, then let it, this porridge, brew abruptly. Fortunately, there are plenty of reasons for separatism in the USA, small Britain, and eurosoise. It is necessary to inspire the crowd, to recognize the problem as international, to send symbolic help ... You look, and they will leave us for a while ...
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 10 November 2015 05: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: APASUS
              Many countries of developed democracy allowed rebellious regions to leave their ranks in the last 50 years?

              Индия получила независимость в 1947. Это чуть больше пятидесяти лет, но уж больно "область" весома.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 10 November 2015 18: 31 New
                0
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Quote: APASUS
                Many countries of developed democracy allowed rebellious regions to leave their ranks in the last 50 years?

                Индия получила независимость в 1947. Это чуть больше пятидесяти лет, но уж больно "область" весома.

                An example is not very successful.
                India was part of England as a colony. I mean established countries, not colonial attempts to gain independence, while Indian independence cost her to split into two countries.
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 10 November 2015 00: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: pvv113
            And overseas Texas is also thinking of secession from the United States.

            Not only Texas, but Alaska too. Last year, he specifically monitored the collection of signatures. They collected the signatures, and after the signatures were handed over to the White House, everything stalled. In fact, the southern states of the United States have long been going to secede and there are still forces. United States Confederation The United States revived after the start of collection of signatures, for leaving the United States, in the states of Texas and Alaska.
        3. PSih2097
          PSih2097 9 November 2015 23: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Old very
          Pave the way
          Who?
          Basque, Scots, And then there is Belgium, Ireland ... QUEUE

          Texas, California, Alaska, etc.
          1. Xsanchez
            Xsanchez 10 November 2015 00: 22 New
            +1
            As for Alaska: the ship with the money did not arrive in Russia, which means Alaska has not been officially sold.
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 10 November 2015 01: 53 New
            0
            In Munich, they also say that they are not Germans, but Bavarians. And there are Tyroleans, Bohemians, and many more in general. If only they would separate. Will you Europe separatism. They will answer for Kosovo in the west.
        4. PSih2097
          PSih2097 9 November 2015 23: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Old very
          Pave the way
          Who?
          Basque, Scots, And then there is Belgium, Ireland ... QUEUE

          Texas, California, Alaska, etc.
      3. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 9 November 2015 16: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Temples
        Where to?

        Vladimir, a colleague’s trip doesn’t matter if he only goes. laughing
        1. Yuri from Volgograd
          Yuri from Volgograd 9 November 2015 17: 49 New
          0
          And will it be there?
          Catalan Donbass?
        2. Talgat
          Talgat 9 November 2015 17: 51 New
          12
          The West and the USA collapsed (or in any case greatly contributed) to the USSR

          At the same time, they unite themselves (the European Union - and the United States itself is a state union + Canada Canada, etc.) - they will unite favorably, and moreover, inevitably, if you do not unite, you will not survive

          А вот если мы хотим выжить и интегрироваться, то, СТОП! НЕЛЬЗЯ" Евразийский Союз создавать запрещено! Клинтонша прямо заявила, что речи Путина и Назарбаева (типа мы не воссоздаем СССР и т д) никого не обманут - и американцы ясно понимают о чем идет речь - понятное дело - речь о возрождении могущества Евразии - и запад конечно же сделает все, чтобы не допустить возрождения нашей Родины

          Therefore, I do my best for the independence of all their separatists - you give independence to Catalonia, the Basques, Indians in America, Ireland, etc.
          So that their entire European Union collapses, and all their states, too, so that they lag behind us, and do not harm
    2. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 9 November 2015 16: 06 New
      +8
      no one went anywhere ....
      Spanish authorities have announced that they are not going to recognize the results of the referendum.

      democracy well .... yeah ... monarchical democracy .....
      1. venaya
        venaya 9 November 2015 16: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: DanSabaka
        democracy well .... yeah ... monarchical democracy .....

        Just like in England, there is also a monarch and a democratization in one bottle.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 9 November 2015 16: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: venaya

          Just like in England, there is also a monarch and a democratization in one bottle.

          Wild people - they don’t even have a constitution, but they all go the same way - they teach us life.
          1. venaya
            venaya 9 November 2015 16: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: lelikas
            Quote: venaya

            Just like in England, there is also a monarch and a democratization in one bottle.
            Wild people - they don’t even have a constitution, but they all go the same way - they teach us life.

            And why do they need a constitution? They write their horses to others on the basis of their own concepts, that is, they promote precisely their own own ideas about the state system.
        2. dvg79
          dvg79 9 November 2015 17: 35 New
          +2
          By the way, there is no constitution there, so some kind of strange democracy.
      2. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 9 November 2015 16: 09 New
        +3
        But hasn't the chain reaction begun? Europe should think about it ... Yes, and the States should think about it.
      3. Altona
        Altona 9 November 2015 17: 02 New
        0
        Quote: DanSabaka
        democracy well .... yeah ... monarchical democracy .....

        -------------------
        Parliamentary monarchy in Spain, constitutional in the UK ...
        1. venaya
          venaya 9 November 2015 17: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Altona
          Quote: DanSabaka
          democracy ... yeah ... monarchist democracy ...
          Parliamentary monarchy in Spain, constitutional in the UK ...

          "constitutional in the UK" - и это всё при отсутствии самой конституции? И что это? Шутка, шуцпа, или хуцпа, как это там правильнее по называнию будет.
          1. Altona
            Altona 9 November 2015 18: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: venaya
            "конституционная в Великобритании" - и это всё при отсутствии самой конституции? И что это? Шутка, шуцпа, или хуцпа, как это там правильнее по называнию будет.

            --------------------
            Ну не я же это придумал, а академический справочник, причем Википедия тоже определяет как "парламентарную монархию", а вообще, это относится к ограничениям монархического правления элементами демократии или частично республиканскими, необязательно иметь Конституцию в чистом виде...К ним вопросы..
            1. venaya
              venaya 9 November 2015 18: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Altona
              "конституционная в Великобритании" - и это всё при отсутствии самой конституции?
              --------------------
              Well, I didn’t come up with this, but an academic guide ... There are questions to them.

              Вы меньше смотрите таи во всякие "жёлтые" источники. Там дезы больше, чам здесь на сайте. Вам что, примера с "Татаро-Монгольским игом" мало. Другие примеры приводить? Так на сайте места не хватит, своими мозгами иногда следует пошевелить, так что вопросы к вам, а не к желтоватым источникам.
              1. Altona
                Altona 10 November 2015 06: 20 New
                0
                Quote: venaya
                So there isn’t enough space on the site, sometimes you should move your brains, so the questions are for you, and not for the yellowish sources.

                -----------------------------
                And where are the sources? I write that they have a monarchy, coupled with elements of a parliamentary republic ...
      4. Winter cherry
        Winter cherry 9 November 2015 17: 14 New
        +4
        Do you think they will bomb?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 9 November 2015 18: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Winter Cherry
          Do you think they will bomb?


          not ... Russian frosts will be afraid ... love

          Kutuzov lured the French, waited for Russian frosts and jammed them, Zhukov lured Germans, waited for Russian frosts and jammed them ... now Assad waited for Russian frosts, I’m silent about Donbass .. they say Santa Claus organized his reception room repeat
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 9 November 2015 18: 29 New
            +4
            Quote: vorobey
            not...

            Feathered am I'm already offended as a union member crying You're a lieutenant again and I'm still a freaking marshal sad Well, where is the justice !! ??? wassat
            Hi drinks
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 9 November 2015 18: 35 New
              +5
              Quote: Ruslan67
              You're a lieutenant again and I'm still a freaking marshal


              request fate ... veterans do not age with soul ..

              Hi Rusik. drinks
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 9 November 2015 18: 39 New
                +3
                Quote: vorobey
                fate.

                sad When asked for good, he was silently sent there for which he bans request Can Vadim swindle what You look winked
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 9 November 2015 18: 46 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Maybe Vadim to swind


                  I just recently sent a ban in one word mata ... bully so this option doesn’t work, they can register for a lifetime in a bathhouse ... laughing


                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  When asked for good, he was silently sent there for which he bans


                  So do you know the way too? wassat the navigator did not talk to me for two days when this route scored ..
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 9 November 2015 18: 51 New
                    +2
                    Quote: vorobey
                    so you know the way too

                    Yeah yes My navigator yells like a rip when I don't listen laughing
                    Quote: vorobey
                    I for one word mata was recently sent to the ban.

                    You are far from me laughing The psychiatrist shouted at me: What are you !? MORON !!??? wassat
                    Quote: vorobey
                    so this option will not work

                    Do not provoke stop
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey 9 November 2015 19: 29 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      The psychiatrist shouted at me: What are you !? MORON !!???


                      salapet .. study .. on me psychiatrists protect doctors tongue


                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Do not provoke


                      Yes, I didn’t provoke .. with concepts, we .. understood weakly and scary .. hi

                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 9 November 2015 19: 39 New
                        +3
                        by the way
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        I'm already offended as a union member


                        you didn’t pay the membership fees for September October and November ... and the fines for the drunken brawl on the day of the tankman ..
            2. andj61
              andj61 9 November 2015 19: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              You're a lieutenant again, and I'm still a freaking marshal. Well, where's the justice !! ???
              Greetings, Ruslan and Alexander!
              Dealing easier is easy: you take a couple of beers, choose the one you don’t like - and a hundred minuses for him in the evening for a beer - you quickly lower the rating twice. And so eight times - just to get to the lieutenant!
              And what - it’s both useful for oneself, and to the one whom it was pleasantly mined! drinks
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 9 November 2015 19: 46 New
                +4
                HERE A GOOD MAN DRAWN .. Andrey kindly .. hi

                Quote: andj61
                choose the one you don't like


                Let's assign Romanov to those who do not like .. angry he was here recently as the Americans created a coalition against me laughing also threatened to offend with a shovel .. laughing
                1. andj61
                  andj61 9 November 2015 19: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  Let’s assign Avai Romanov to those who don’t like it. He recently, like the Americans, created a coalition against me and threatened to offend with a shovel ..

                  Will we put forward the candidacy of Romanov? wink
                  Or maybe right away with it - like this - with a shovel? fellow
                  I propose the second option - I'm a GOOD MAN. request
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 9 November 2015 20: 08 New
                    +2
                    Quote: andj61
                    Or maybe right away with it - like this - with a shovel? I propose the second option - I'm a GOOD MAN.


                    so that all of you my shovel does not give rest .. laughing
    3. Vend
      Vend 9 November 2015 16: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Emulty
      The first one went. Who is next for independence in Europe?

      Nailed the Catalans. Now it will be difficult to continue, but I think they can do it. The main thing is that without war
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 9 November 2015 16: 20 New
      11
      Quote: Emulty
      The first one went. Who is next for independence in Europe?

      Well, this 10356 some kind of Santa Barbara series in Spanish stretches as far as I can remember, and FC Barcelona still plays in the Example, especially
      until the XVIII century, when the Spanish king Philip (Filipe) V eliminated Catalan independence.
    5. Very old
      Very old 9 November 2015 16: 33 New
      +2
      PLUSUSANUL + + + article without reading!

      And I won’t read. I know in advance what ...

      Модераторы, скажите : почему статье можно только + ставить? Срочно изладить кнопку "повысить рейтинг статье" good
    6. st25310
      st25310 9 November 2015 16: 35 New
      +3
      Я даже незнаю как отнестись к независитимости Каталонии, Шотландии и т.д. Можно попучить эфект "бумеранга", вспомните в 90-е Чечню, Татарстан, Якутию. Очень не надежные товарищи.
      1. Down House
        Down House 9 November 2015 16: 49 New
        0
        Quote: st25310
        Можно попучить эфект "бумеранга", вспомните в 90-е Чечню, Татарстан, Якутию. Очень не надежные товарищи.

        Reliable, reliable, don’t worry.
        1. st25310
          st25310 9 November 2015 17: 36 New
          +1
          Ну как не переживать? Я конечно понимаю что на тот момент вы были всей душой за целостность России, но по факту Россия была поделена на "удельные княжества" со своей армией, таможней и т.д. оставалось закрепить это так сказать "юридически".
      2. Altona
        Altona 9 November 2015 17: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: st25310
        Я даже незнаю как отнестись к независитимости Каталонии, Шотландии и т.д. Можно попучить эфект "бумеранга", вспомните в 90-е Чечню, Татарстан, Якутию. Очень не надежные товарищи.

        -------------------------
        Why is Kosovo possible, but not for others?
    7. Down House
      Down House 9 November 2015 16: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Emulty
      Who is next for independence in Europe?

      We look forward to, follow the news and stock up on popcorn! laughing
      1. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 9 November 2015 18: 28 New
        0
        nothing will happen. many Russians living there for 20-40 years tell, before every local election such a hype - and that’s all. till. and let's see. interesting. By the way, the Catalans still remember the help of the USSR.
    8. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 9 November 2015 16: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Emulty
      The first one went. Who is next for independence in Europe?


      Nobody has gone anywhere else, due to the lack of any political legitimacy in this resolution, according to the Spanish Constitution. The author correctly noted that they have been going since the 18th century. soldier
    9. Bkmz
      Bkmz 9 November 2015 17: 05 New
      +1
      Here the independent states of the SGA is the right way. It is necessary to call them everywhere that way, at the official level.
    10. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 9 November 2015 17: 32 New
      +1
      I am sure Russia should be one of the first to recognize Catalonia!
    11. torp
      torp 9 November 2015 17: 34 New
      0
      We are waiting for the atom in Barcelona! Or disperse in a civilized way?
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 November 2015 16: 05 New
    +4
    Может и Аляска скоро референдум проведет...Россия спустила "крючок")))
    1. venaya
      venaya 9 November 2015 16: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Может и Аляска скоро референдум проведет...Россия спустила "крючок")))

      There was already such an attempt in Alaska, only the troops stationed there were allowed to vote, the military personnel came from other states, and therefore the results were corresponding, but like in Scotland a similar situation was organized.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 9 November 2015 16: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: venaya
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Может и Аляска скоро референдум проведет...Россия спустила "крючок")))

        There was already such an attempt in Alaska, only the troops stationed there were allowed to vote, the military personnel came from other states, and therefore the results were corresponding, but like in Scotland a similar situation was organized.

        Well, the attempt is not torture ... If everything is well organized, everything can be ..)))
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 9 November 2015 16: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: venaya
        There was already such an attempt in Alaska, only the troops stationed there were allowed to vote, the military personnel came from other states, and therefore the results were corresponding, but like in Scotland a similar situation was organized.

        Although it’s strange - service in Alaska, it’s more like a punishment — in their place — everyone would vote for the secession, although we remember, too, at one time we went to the EBNa presidential elections in Russia.
    2. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 9 November 2015 16: 24 New
      +1
      Plindos are not fools; they are holding a normal grouping of troops in Alaska.
    3. dvg79
      dvg79 9 November 2015 17: 39 New
      +3
      In Russia, if anyone doesn’t know for organizing a referendum, they put people in prison. They release the hook, yeah.
  3. strannik1985
    strannik1985 9 November 2015 16: 06 New
    0
    Children played in independence.
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 9 November 2015 16: 26 New
      +2
      Этих "детей",по Вашему,в 1936 утюжили испанские бомбардировщики Франко ковровым методом! Баски помнят,Баски не забыли! hi
      1. 26rus
        26rus 9 November 2015 17: 29 New
        +4
        belay Basques in Catalonia? Buy a globe ...
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 9 November 2015 16: 06 New
    0
    The Parliament of Catalonia has adopted a resolution on independence from Spain.


    Well, now everything is starting to tear to shreds of sanctions the economy of CATALONIA ...

    MADRID will not like the excessive freedom of the Catalans.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 9 November 2015 16: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      The Parliament of Catalonia has adopted a resolution on independence from Spain.


      Well, now everything is starting to tear to shreds of sanctions the economy of CATALONIA ...

      MADRID will not like the excessive freedom of the Catalans.

      Рвать начнут в буквальном смысле "Баски". Сейчас посмотрят на Каталонию начнут терр.акты. Они не каталонцы разговаривать не умеют, зато умеют подрывать поезда и всё остальное.
      According to media reports, Spain will do everything possible, until the removal of the status of autonomy, from Catalonia
      If the Spanish authorities act so harshly, they will unite.
  5. venaya
    venaya 9 November 2015 16: 06 New
    +2
    Resolution adopted on the basis of a national referendum

    If only we had a more respectful attitude towards the national rkreferenda, then the enemies would never be able to break our alliance in the 1991th year.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 9 November 2015 16: 15 New
      +1
      Not this way. If we were more careful about National Security, no referendum would be needed.
  6. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 9 November 2015 16: 07 New
    +6
    Yes, the same situation will be as with Scotland in small Britain.
  7. bronik
    bronik 9 November 2015 16: 07 New
    0
    It is hard to imagine how it would look.
  8. Magic archer
    Magic archer 9 November 2015 16: 08 New
    +2
    You also give the Basques independence! And there, as the effect of dominoes, Northern Ireland, Scotland and others like them)))
    1. sannych
      sannych 9 November 2015 16: 15 New
      +2
      Yeah, still a couple of dozens of states from the USA started this procedure. There is an opinion that people born in the USSR, and remembering 1991, with great approval and enthusiasm would support this initiative of freedom-loving North Americans, striving for freedom from the tyranny of Washington.
  9. fedor13
    fedor13 9 November 2015 16: 11 New
    -1
    DNR, LC is, it turns out the PRC !!!!
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 9 November 2015 16: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: fedor13
      DNR, LC is, it turns out the PRC !!!!


      А как Вы думаете? Пошлёт ли Испания против Каталонской народной республики танки, арту, штурмовики, нацгвардию? Ведь они такие СЕПАРАТИСТЫ. И будет ли Испанию поддерживать в таком случае "весь цивилизованный мир"?
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 9 November 2015 16: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Petergofsky73
        And what do you think? Will Spain send tanks, artillery, attack aircraft, the National Guard against the Catalan People’s Republic? After all, they are SEPARATISTS.

        It is possible that this will be not only Spain, but it is not in vain that NATO conducts exercises in this region.
      2. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 9 November 2015 16: 25 New
        0
        Bulls with bullfighters will send))
      3. fedor13
        fedor13 9 November 2015 16: 51 New
        -1
        I wrote to this !!! Only they will not send art because they don’t drag :)
    2. andj61
      andj61 9 November 2015 19: 42 New
      0
      Quote: fedor13
      DNR, LC is, it turns out the PRC !!!!

      And why not VGK - the great duchy of Catalonia?
  10. Stinger
    Stinger 9 November 2015 16: 12 New
    +1
    Crushing is always bad. But, apparently, the central authorities got a lot of it.
  11. strannik1985
    strannik1985 9 November 2015 16: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Magic Archer
    You also give the Basques independence! And there, as the effect of dominoes, Northern Ireland, Scotland and others like them)))

    Задавят без проблем. Это в 404 "они же детей" трогать нельзя, а в Дании,в то же время выступления разогнали водометами и слезоточивым газом. Обычные двойные стандарты.
  12. Hlyneope
    Hlyneope 9 November 2015 16: 18 New
    +3
    I do not think that Madrid will let Catalonia go. The Catalans may even have to fight for their freedom, and the outcome of this confrontation does not seem to me the most successful for them. No matter how they worsen their situation. In addition, if successful, this can set a precedent, which will not have the most beneficial effect on European countries with similar separatist regions, so Catalonia, in case of rebellion, is likely to be completely isolated from the rest of the world. However, despite the fact that I am for Spain, I pay tribute to the Catalan desire for freedom.
  13. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 9 November 2015 16: 22 New
    0
    So will there be a war for the Spanish in succession 2?
  14. Maksus
    Maksus 9 November 2015 16: 25 New
    +2
    Give the Catalan People's Republic! But Pasaran!
    But seriously, the precedent is interesting. This is, like, the first attempt in the European Union to divide the country. I wonder what will end - a real way out or bargaining preferences from the government of Spain?
    1. 26rus
      26rus 9 November 2015 17: 36 New
      +1
      Most recently, there was a referendum on the independence of Scotland.
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 9 November 2015 20: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Maksus
      Give the Catalan People's Republic! But Pasaran!


      It would be good! And our military bases there would be nice! That would have gay faces extended;)
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 10 November 2015 00: 59 New
        0
        С "Калибром" и "Искандером" Вся Европа достаточно близка к России.
    3. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 10 November 2015 00: 58 New
      0
      Is Kosovo the first? And even simpler - Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia. It would also be to divide France, Germany, Small Britain into different nations. Although it’s not worth it, it’s easier together than separately, and it’s easier to agree.
  15. solovey
    solovey 9 November 2015 16: 36 New
    +2
    I think that NATO will arrive with democracy !!!
  16. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 9 November 2015 16: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    Yes, the same situation will be as with Scotland in small Britain.

    I read that Bavaria under Hitler (!) Wanted to separate from the Reich. In general, it is normal --- to separate from a foreign country. Good luck, Catalans!

    Подумалось об отделении наших "небратьев (украинцев и прибалтов) ".Я думаю---у них в мыслях было---иметь"подпитку" и от России и от ЕС.
  17. kultiapin
    kultiapin 9 November 2015 16: 41 New
    +2
    HOW THEY DARE! SO AS POSSIBLE! THIS IS NOT A SHIT! SHORT-SPECIAL SWAT / ROCKETS AND UAVS NEEDED TO BE IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY ...


    only one can be independent ...
  18. AlexTires
    AlexTires 9 November 2015 16: 43 New
    +4
    И правильно!Каталония очень богатая провинция,без Испании будут жить лучше,тем более,что "высокородные" испанцы всегда относились к католонцам с презрением.
  19. rosstov
    rosstov 9 November 2015 16: 46 New
    +3
    Ну все, Европа заигралась со своими "общечеловеческими" ценностями до того, что их скоро никто кроме чиновников Брюсселя разделять не захочет. Вот и дергается народ потихоньку, да и не слишком уже потихоньку, а там глядишь и вовсю драпать начнет
  20. Kelnot
    Kelnot 9 November 2015 17: 05 New
    +2
    It is a pity that this did not work in Scotland .. ((Yes in Northern Ireland
    1. dvg79
      dvg79 9 November 2015 17: 48 New
      +3
      This is a democratic Europe, either they will pretend that there was nothing, either they will announce that procedures have been violated or something else will come up.
  21. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 9 November 2015 17: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Winter cherry
    Do you think they will bomb?

    Will bomb
    , обязательно будут, какая же "демократия" без бомбёжки.
  22. cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 9 November 2015 17: 59 New
    +2
    Телеканал "Звезда": В Каталонии парламент утвердил резолюцию о создании независимой республики. В ближайшие 18 месяцев будут сформированы различные госструктуры и составлен текст новой конституции. За документ проголосовали 72 депутата, еще 63 высказались против, передает ТАСС.
    Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has promised to appeal the decision of the Parliament in a constitutional court.
    “I will sign an appeal to the constitutional court about the non-compliance with the constitution and ask for an immediate curtailment of this initiative and all possible outcomes,” the Prime Minister said.
    Earlier, the regional parliament of the Spanish Autonomous Community of Catalonia adopted a roadmap. The Constitutional Court of Catalonia on November 5, 2015 rejected the lawsuits against the vote by representatives of the country's ruling conservative party, as well as opposition socialist and civil parties of Catalonia.
    The creation of the resolution was preceded by early elections in Catalonia on September 27, 2015. Then the Catalan coalition agreed on a draft parliamentary resolution and announced the "beginning of the process of creating an independent state in the form of a republic."
  23. IAlex
    IAlex 9 November 2015 18: 20 New
    0
    Oh, and all the patriots with tanks have already left for the East ...
  24. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 November 2015 19: 24 New
    0
    In annealing separatists! laughing
  25. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 9 November 2015 20: 02 New
    +2
    Freedom to the people of Catalonia from the yoke of the Spanish monarchy. If you seriously look at the problem, it simply will not. Madrid will not want and will not allow to lose a significant contribution to the budget. But according to any Catalonia, Barcelona is ahead.
  26. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 9 November 2015 20: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Emulty
    The first one went. Who is next for independence in Europe? Scotland, Venice, can independent states in the SGA?


    Texas loves to contrast itself with the rest of the SGA, and even in Alaska, permanent talks about independence have been ongoing for a long time ... There is something for our management and special services to work with :)
  27. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 9 November 2015 23: 02 New
    0
    The trend, however ... But !!! Scotland gave away from Britain? Or is there everything before the referendum suddenly became great British? Have Corsica been given the opportunity to at least try to separate from Storage? No! There are especially European powers. But there’s not very ... such the same. You can try to disconnect from Spain or Italy. But from Britain or from storage - it is impossible. I'm not talking about the North American United States. This is something! This is such, you see, European justice and democracy!
    1. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 10 November 2015 00: 41 New
      0
      Not everything is so simple in the state of Gishpan. Spain’s enormous debt in Catalonia does not want to be paid: after bankruptcy, creditors come to take the tidbits. Therefore, the Catalans make insurance, debts to the Spaniards, and they turn out to be trickier, they will not be left with a bare ass. My opinion is clear.
  28. sablezub81
    sablezub81 10 November 2015 00: 47 New
    +1
    However, it is worth recalling other, future states.
  29. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 10 November 2015 01: 05 New
    0
    Democracy is the power of the crowd! Full democracy will soon come to the Ruin, hopes for awakening Ukrainians from the bloody troubles are melting every day. It’s a pity they could live, and they could live well!
    1. Hlyneope
      Hlyneope 10 November 2015 15: 58 New
      0
      Um ... no. The power of the crowd is ochlocracy. You should not confuse these concepts, they are very different.
  30. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 November 2015 06: 43 New
    0
    Quote: solovey
    I think that NATO will arrive with democracy !!!

    Думаю не прилетит. Думаю ,какими-то склоками судами,"законами" доставать будут.Всем Евросоюзом будут препятствовать.
  31. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 15 November 2015 21: 08 New
    0
    Something about the Basques has not been heard for a long time. Either gained independence from Spain or changed their minds.