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Strange consultants at the Russian ministries

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In recent years, there has been a dispute that there is a clear oversupply of universities and students in Russia. By the number of students in higher education, our country ranks first in the world, however, given the qualifications of the majority of modern graduates and the more than obvious bias of universities for specializations of a humanitarian and environmental character, this first place clearly does not look like an achievement.


The Ministry of Education decided to take the path of the least mental expenses and began to correct the situation by a method of banal reduction in the number of budget places in universities - they say, so it will be possible to get rid of a large number of hunters for a university degree. If you believe the publications of news agencies, in the near future the number of budget places in Russian universities is planned to be reduced by 110 thousand. This is taking into account the fact that the percentage of graduates with a very dubious baggage of knowledge and skills (if such baggage is present at all) is “prepared” most often not at budgetary, but at commercial places of state universities or in non-state commercial universities that have grown in our country like mushrooms after rain.

Commercial universities manage to “train professionals,” without having in their staff a single representative of the teaching staff with proper qualifications and specialization. The “rental” scheme of teachers has entangled these offices, which open and work only as a business project of a person who often has nothing to do with education.

But the strangeness - universities, if one may say so, has worked, and continues to work like this - with the lists of Gogol "dead souls" instead of real students, but they decided to go through budget places in state universities, thinking about optimization. What this “optimization” can lead to is clear: the faculty of state universities, losing opportunities to work, will once again go looking for happiness into commercial “educational” structures, which, in principle, like a student’s preparation process, and where the graduate will be able to realize himself afterwards.

Of particular interest is the question of who can be behind making decisions about reducing the number of budget places in universities with the simultaneous process of commercialization of Russian education and squeezing out of it focus on the future and success as such.

One of the organizations that decided to seriously “take up” for education in Russia (then still in the USSR - 1989) is such a structure as PwC (PricewaterhouseCoopers). About myself PwC writes:

We believe that the best results are born in close partnership with our customers. Therefore, every day more than 2600 our professionals in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Kazan, Novosibirsk, Rostov-on-Don, Krasnodar, Voronezh, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk and Vladikavkaz are working to build strong relationships with customers and understand their tasks and aspirations.

We measure success with the benefits that we bring to our customers, employees and society.


What kind of success is it?

PwC is an international network of consulting companies with headquarters in London and annual revenues of 30 billion. In Russia, a network of companies sees its interest in virtually all areas of activity, including medicine, construction and education. Back in 90, PwC began to advise not only individual business areas, but also entire federal ministries of the Russian Federation. So, Price Waterhouse Coopers (possible - PUC ...) were in the sphere of interests, no less than the Ministry of Transport, the Federal Property Management Agency, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Construction and Housing and Public Utilities and the Ministry of Education. Having taken root in the Russian ministerial environment about more than two decades ago, PUK and Western advisory offices like it do not diminish their activity in wanting to “direct” the activities of certain Russian departments along the path that is interesting only to Russia's “friends”.

Strange consultants at the Russian ministries


It should be noted that the Price Waterhouse Coopers international network in Russia has become widely known in connection with the YUKOS case. The arbitration court acknowledged that the "consultants" of the PUK were direct participants in the formation of fraudulent schemes that were used by the Yukos management in their hectic activities, the generator of which was Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

The “jamb” of the PwC was recognized by the court, but this in fact did not in any way prevent the consulting network from continuing its work in Russia. So, in 2009, the Master's program “International Finance” appears in the educational system of Russia, which PUU launched in a joint project with (attention!) Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation, working on an agreement during the period 2007-2008 - that is, exactly when involvement in the fraud of Yukos was declared by the arbitral tribunal. That is, the structure, which was found to be engaged in unscrupulous business in Russia, gets the opportunity to cooperate with a government university. The same program “International Finance”, launched in Russia, is taught in ... English. Of course, it is clear that finance is international, but still there is a feeling that graduates based on it are not trained to serve Russian interests ...

Graduates of the university, with whom PUK cooperates: businessman Mikhail Prokhorov, Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Anton Siluanov, ex-chairman of the Central Bank Viktor Gerashchenko. As you can see, PwC is, on whom to rely in today's activities "for the benefit of the Russian State" and thanks to whom to keep close to the ministerial offices ...

In this regard, the question is: can those ministries, including the Ministry of Education and Science, which still receive consultations through PwC and similar networks, can guarantee independent decision-making? Do they guarantee that such decisions do not go against the system of national security and the Russian statehood itself?
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  1. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 9 November 2015 07: 24 New
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    Видели мы уже "консультантов" в 90-х... Gaidarushka pulled, the earth is glassy to him! 500 pests with American and English passports went to the Kremlin on special passes. At that time, a friend of his son served in the Kremlin urgently, he checked these passes ...

    А про выпускников... Это раньше были ВУЗы, в которых учили. Инженеров, учителей, врачей... А сейчас ВУЗ делает вид, что учит, а студенты делают вид, что учатся. ВУЗ получает свои деньги, студенты - бесполезные корочки. Жена рассказывала, что у них завкафедрой, доктор филологических наук, всю жизнь изучает русскую литературу, забегает на кафедру и рвёт на себе волосы: "ВСЁПРОПАЛО!!!! Они "МУМУ" не читали!!!" Речь, кстати, о будущих журналистах, четвёртый курс. К жене на лекцию из группы в 15 человек приходят 1-2 - и те минут на 20 опаздывают и сидят баранами. Она ректору говорила, а та ей: "А что делать? Не отчислять же! Они же деньги платят, наполнение ВУЗа делают, как-нибудь выпустим..." Кто учился в советском ВУЗе, тот мой культурный шок поймёт...
    1. Truth
      Truth 9 November 2015 07: 56 New
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      Quote: Zoldat_A
      It used to be universities in which they taught. Engineers, teachers, doctors ..

      Why are there universities!
      The very sources, if I may say so, are destroyed - Vocational Education.
      Everything is at the mercy of migrant workers - and these professionals, so professionals ... their mother.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 9 November 2015 08: 17 New
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        Quote: Truth
        The very sources, if I may say so, are destroyed - Vocational Education.

        ВВП говорит о "разработке концепции профтехобразования". А чего там разрабатывать? Просто повыгонять из зданий бывших каблух арендаторов и открыть заново каблухи. Тогда у нас и сварщики будут уметь варить, а каменщики - класть кирпичи. As a man who devoted many years after the army to construction, I am in shock. In a cultural, but I express myself extremely uncultured ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 9 November 2015 08: 35 New
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          what the hell ... where does the owner look or does he save as a result of his stupidity otherwise this construction cannot be explained.
          1. BMW
            BMW 9 November 2015 15: 10 New
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            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            where the owner is looking or he is saving as a result of his stupidity

            And where did you see our smart hosts? Theft is so much in their blood that they are in their own right. And brainlessness in us simply flourishes everywhere.
            We have a 10 point seismic zone. There is always a large puddle near the entrance in the spring. I always take a crowbar and break through the ice in the drain towards the storm. In one year, someone began to punch towards the entrance and the water stole under the foundation of the house. In the evening after work, I will fall asleep with snow and ice, the next day, again, I’ll dig up and the water under the house leaves. And so for two weeks, then I caught it when I arrived early. I almost screwed it up with a shovel. It turned out to be a lieutenant colonel of the medical service of the Ministry of Emergencies, who lives in our porch. I told him the moron that with a serious earthquake, the house could collapse with a washed foundation and bury his own family, and what for we generally need such dumb-headed rescuers. It seems to have come.
        2. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 9 November 2015 10: 09 New
          +9
          Something in Sochi got sick of buying a house! lol I am so skilled craftsman Chinese door inserted the entrance to the apartment, rests only on mounting foam belay , because when he wanted to hammer the anchors, he redirected the power cable! I just know how the door is holding, you never know, and I drove out the Chinese in the evening, the miracle groaned from 9 am to 7 pm, collecting all the Chinese gods! lol She’s saving such money, he brought cosmetics himself, well, of him, non-Russian! belay
        3. Barakuda
          Barakuda 9 November 2015 10: 55 New
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          Yes, and plaster without mesh nafig fall off .. fool
        4. veksha50
          veksha50 9 November 2015 14: 51 New
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          Quote: Zoldat_A
          I'm in shock.


          You are not alone ... Well, these are not builders, these are murderers ... And the owner of the house is a suicide ...
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 November 2015 12: 19 New
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        Quote: Truth
        Everything is at the mercy of migrant workers - and these professionals, so professionals ... their mother.

        Да уж!Недавно знакомый строитель,возглавляющий бригаду "вольных строителей",рассказывал как они как-то взяли в бригаду "профессионала" из........."тюрков"-через неделю выгнали:иначе бы им пришлось бы постоянно переделывать его работу-им же и дальше жить и работать там же,где они живут и работают!Знакомый также рассказывал,как этот "тюрок",наблюдая их методы работы,тут же звонил своим землякам-"профессионалам" и рассказывал тем ,как надо правильно работать.....а не так,как они до сих пор работают.Да и мне приходилось видеть,как "тюрки" клали фундаментные блоки прямо на землю (в регионе,приравненном к районам Крайнего Севера!),чтобы поставить на них дачный дом;как собирались на мин.вату положить плиты мдф без всякой обрешетки...... и т.п.
        1. c3r
          c3r 9 November 2015 13: 29 New
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          Here is the answer.
    2. anfil
      anfil 9 November 2015 08: 15 New
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      And now the university is pretending to teach, and students are pretending to learn.


      Urgent need to introduce a program to improve the quality of education

      1. sergeybulkin
        sergeybulkin 9 November 2015 08: 41 New
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        Graduates of the university with which the PUC cooperates: businessman Mikhail Prokhorov, Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Anton Siluanov, former chairman of the Central Bank Viktor Gerashchenko. As you can see, PwC has someone to rely on in today's activities “for the good of the Russian State”

        Теперь понятно почему наши финансы "поют романсы" и г. Силуанов так настаивает на увеличении пенсионного возраста.
        Here I am terrified how interesting - who specifically launched these saboteurs from the PUK in the Russian Federation ??? After all, their efforts destroyed our education system! am
        1. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 9 November 2015 11: 15 New
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          Who, who, a horse in a coat. The same as who Livanova, Siluanova, Nabiullina and iPhone still hold, praises and issues orders to them. Enough to pretend to be hoses. The entire personnel policy is in Putin's hands and there is no need to start tyagomotin about the king and the boyars.
          1. BMW
            BMW 9 November 2015 15: 15 New
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            Quote: Tambov Wolf
            All personnel policies in Putin’s hands

            Absolutely right. And if not in his hands, then what for he is generally needed. am
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 9 November 2015 14: 54 New
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          Quote: sergeybulkin
          Here I am terrified how interesting - who specifically launched these saboteurs from the PUK in the Russian Federation ???



          Um ... Some of them are still alive and well, prospering ... And the names on the ear, and the muzzles in the box glow with pleasure ...
    3. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 9 November 2015 09: 05 New
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      It seems that in the Ministry of Education, these same graduates of commercial universities and settled where their curators, advisers of the liberal-western spill and stuck.

      And what are we surprised at, friends? For example, training material on economics and market relations is still of a Western standard! Just as they were saturated with their textbooks in the early 1990s, so far little has changed.

      The Kremlin has poached the SYSTEM of state formation of the socialist state and the guidelines of the citizen-creator, for capitalism and fooling.
      А в целом так: "Невежество-одна из главных опор капиталистического строя".
      For it is necessary for the approval and development of excess consumption.
      Directly stamping on a new slaveholding economic system. Loans and a model of behavior have already been successfully imposed by the state ...
    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL 9 November 2015 09: 19 New
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      Quote: Zoldat_A
      [b] Who studied at a Soviet university, that my cultural shock will understand ...

      ...поправка - не "культурный", а культуро..- ло-...гический!...Во! Блин...
    5. oblako
      oblako 9 November 2015 09: 20 New
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      Поскольку обозрение военное, не премину доложить, что вот это и есть "гибридная" война во всей красе. Образование - это одно лишь из его средств. Противника можно победить только лишив его знаний, убеждений и веры. Пустоты не бывает, она обязательно заполняется. Наши знания заменяются не нашими, наша вера заменяется чужой... немного времени и наши детки уже не наши детки. Хочешь не хочешь, а вспомнишь мракобеса Суслова... и переоценишь свои суждения о нем.))) Есть боеприпасы мгновенного действия, а есть "мины замедленного действия" - образование, культура и вера - одна из них. Эта война всегда будет вестись, вопрос в том, что там тоже есть свое содержание тактика и стратегия... А маршалов с нашей стороны, я чего то не наблюдаю в этой армии...
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 22: 58 New
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        Quote: oblako
        Поскольку обозрение военное, не премину доложить, что вот это и есть "гибридная" война во всей красе. Образование - это одно лишь из его средств. Противника можно победить только лишив его знаний, убеждений и веры
        Well, and who, for the past 15 years, has approved educational policies — a policy that you have so famously attributed to one of the methods of hybrid warfare?
    6. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 9 November 2015 10: 05 New
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      Hello One of the largest states is located very close to us. China. In 2005, the country was headed by a new leadership according to the law of the country on generational change in the highest echelon of the country. At the congress of the ruling party, common goals and tasks were determined that all the country's elite should work on. I remember the mocking and contemptuous statements of our wise managers. Where you’re climbing, they say, it’s not Senka’s hat. The country is an assembly shop for consumer goods, this is how it will be. And they sent huge funds to modernize the production, began to fight against economically and inefficient production, and to build new technologically advanced production. And the most interesting thing was to declare the fight against production of low-quality production products. They were shamelessly eliminated. Unemployment was very high. Our oracles really flattered themselves that China would fall into several republics. A company developed in the country. Young people should learn how prestigious it is to be an engineer, technician, and qualified specialist. The slogan FRAME RESOLVE EVERYTHING has become the main one. In 2008, a crisis struck. China wisely managed its savings. In the world, there is a crisis and there is an opportunity to make green ones. The Chinese bought a lot of high-tech productions. The United States looked askance at this fair, but could not interfere with its domestic problems. In principle, after 2005, a large construction site, the country's new prime minister turned to compatriots abroad. If you are a good specialist in your field, you know how to work, help your native country .Tens of thousands of qualified engineers and technicians of people of many specialties have come to help rebuild the country with a cool education. It was a difficult and very productive decade. Here, news from China was often met with mockery. And he is completely different and our oracles have quieted down. And we still only dream about the growth of economic development. For success, some small shifts in the economy are modest for our country. One percent growth stands out for an unprecedented achievement. Of course, I understand that the President’s plan under these conditions is urgently changing, many items 20-20 are postponed. And in China, very respected people, skilled workers, technicians, engineers, scientists. What is happening in China is a fairy tale. A new The prime minister of a country called China sees the increase in domestic demand as the main one. These are not just words behind them are the country's economic power. And, as always, we have sanctions and we cannot. Listening to some experts on TV? that in crowds in the circles of the Government, plus ministers do not give reasons for accelerated growth. And the main thing is that I made listening to them they say it’s not time yet. Well, they say the international situation will change and WE will heal. Someone hardly believes in these wonderful assurances of those who determine the economic strategy of the state.
      1. dvg79
        dvg79 9 November 2015 11: 41 New
        +6
        The Chinese are not embarrassed to learn from the Stalinist USSR, as the Japanese did in their time. If they continue to pursue this course, their attitude towards us as barbarians will unfortunately become absolutely true.
      2. BMW
        BMW 9 November 2015 15: 22 New
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        Quote: igor.borov775
        . Something is poorly believed in these beautiful assurances of those who determine the economic strategy of the state.

        А что им верить? Любой человек, способный хоть немножко мыслить самостоятельно, давно понял, что это наглая и непрекрытая "езда по ушам" на полной скорости. hi
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 10 November 2015 07: 38 New
          +3
          Hi!! Here it is much more serious than it seems. At an economic growth rate higher than 6%, budget dragging is not so noticeable. In China, too, the struggle is very serious with this evil. And with us, with an increase of 03-1%, this immediately complicates the already difficult situation in the economy. What kind of increase in incomes can be talked about. Bullshit. It can only be about keeping the incomes of ordinary people at the same level. Inflation is hard for everyone. And the fight against corruption is a real show for the UK. Remember how the investigation turned around Vasilyeva. The Russian Federation said the sums were prohibitive and it turned out that such amounts were simply funny. And after that you can trust our figures from the Government. They created such ineffective government that embezzlement as a lottery. The quality of control is poor. Laws are good but they are good if there is a high growth of the economy and failures are not so obvious. When the growth is miserable, these things are annoying. I noticed that the loudest scandals for some reason are booming in Russia and the neighbors have scandals nearby, but they are much less common. I am about Kazakhstan, Belarus, Azerbaijan. Why so. There are other laws or people.
    7. bandabas
      bandabas 9 November 2015 10: 12 New
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      Двадцать лет назад закончил Ленинградский Политех. И нас учили ЗУБРЫ. После защиты диплома мой куратор(член-корр Академии Наук) сказал мне, что я был у него лучший дипломант. А дедушка был еще тот. Костенко Михаил Владимирович. Кафедра ТВН. Да, и говорили- "Мы вам дали базовые знания, где вы будете работать- на произодстве, в институтах и т.д. и т.п. Вы знаете где искать". Интернетом тогда и не пахло. Книги.
    8. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 9 November 2015 11: 15 New
      +8
      когда мой старший закончил ВУЗ, он мне сказал, "папа я за время учебы не заплатил ни за один экзамен, ты бы знал сколько денег я тебе сэкономил!"
      1. sgapich
        sgapich 9 November 2015 12: 19 New
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        I support. During my studies at the Moscow Aviation Institute (4 faculty - FRELA), for all the time I paid only once - for printing posters (A1 format) for a diploma.
    9. dvg79
      dvg79 9 November 2015 11: 35 New
      +8
      My wife teaches at the university, they now have an attitude - how much they took so much and they should release a different khan for financing. You can imagine what kind of attitude to study is being formed. I myself helped her somehow check the tests, I was impressed.
    10. larand
      larand 9 November 2015 13: 16 New
      +7
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Видели мы уже "консультантов" в 90-х... Gaidarushka pulled, the earth is glassy to him! 500 pests with American and English passports went to the Kremlin on special passes.


      And what do you think, with whom did Yeltsin, when he left, coordinate the candidacy of a successor? Maybe that's why everything goes in the Russian Federation, it doesn’t know where.
    11. veksha50
      veksha50 9 November 2015 14: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      " Those who studied at a Soviet university will understand my cultural shock ...


      It is annoying that in 20 years there will be no one to shock ... These PUKs, together with their pupils, are striving for this ...
    12. nazar_0753
      nazar_0753 10 November 2015 15: 20 New
      +1
      Сфера образования НЕ МОЖЕТ находиться в частных руках, только под гос. управлением. Лучшее решение - позакрывать коммерческие вузы и сократить платные места процентов эдак на 75. Как вариант, можно оставить коммерческие вузы определённых компаний, но обязать их выдавать дипломы не государственного образца, а такие, при которых на работу устроиться можно только в этой самой компании. И тогда они сами уйдут с "рынка образования", я вас уверяю. Да, прекращение платного обучения значительно снизит доходы вузов, и их придётся субсидировать государством. Но я всё же имею мнение, что затраты на бюджетное обеспечение университетов будут гораздо меньше потерь вследствие некачественных работ, выполняемых выпускниками коммерческих учебных заведений, неработы ими по профессии и так далее. Проблема заключается в том, что при таком радикальном, но необходимом решении проблемы резко сократится возможность для нашей национальной игры "попилить и откатить", что скажется на карманах различных "власть имущих" от соответствующих министерств, и прочих лиц, заинтересованных в сохранении действующей системы "образования". Поэтому, видимо, эта идея не будет реализована по крайней мере в ближайшее время
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 9 November 2015 07: 29 New
    +8
    Опять "консультанты"...засланцы...
    1. Petrol
      Petrol 9 November 2015 10: 23 New
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      if you do not cut this scum
      then this scum will cut you out by analogy like ours!
  3. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 9 November 2015 07: 38 New
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    Жучков-паучков таких ещё долго будем из-под плинтусов выковыривать ... Ну вот что , нельзя аккуратно и методично этих вшей вычёсывать , ну ведь враги явные . У любой госструктуры есть бюджет , за расходованием которого обязано следить государство , и "консалтинговые услуги" всяких пуков-шмуков надо под лупой рассматривать . А то получается :"Дай много бабок , я тебе в прихожей кучу навалю." . И опять база в лондоне , вот где гадюшник-то . Задолбал бардак .
  4. koksalek
    koksalek 9 November 2015 07: 38 New
    +9
    You chop off one hydra head so the second grows. Feeding overseas owners crush Russia with might and main doing their will, where is this filthy broom that will sweep all this rubbish out of the hut? Not visibleoooooo (figuratively about the broom)
  5. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 9 November 2015 07: 40 New
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    It is necessary to return to the Soviet system of education, with subsequent distribution to work with a three-year contract. The number of universities and humanities will immediately decrease. And advisers should be like Gerashchenko, Ivashov, Primakov.
    1. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 9 November 2015 09: 05 New
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      Great idea! But, alas, impossible. Those who manage the education system behind the scenes will never allow this. If only because if Russia and its closest neighbors and allies again begin to train truly highly qualified specialists, who will be taught to think in the first place (you understand what I mean), it will become absolutely impossible to manage our production, economy, science and culture from the outside, directing development of these industries in the right direction (to our geopolitical rivals). When I studied at the law faculty of KSU at the beginning of the 90s (then there were still students who studied and teachers who taught) - we, along with old Soviet, new Russian and Kazakhstani textbooks, tried to pair us with translated American, with which we all teachers and students only laughed. I believe that now the situation in this regard has become much worse.
      I have the honor.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 9 November 2015 15: 03 New
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      Quote: Bob0859
      And advisers should be like Gerashchenko, Ivashov, Primakov.



      Um ... One already died ... the second - in old age ...

      PS That's all that goes to this - smart ones, with old hardening and wise brains, die, and the stupid husk remains to steer the state ...
  6. Aksakal_07
    Aksakal_07 9 November 2015 07: 42 New
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    "Философский" пароход однажды очистил Россию, увозя за "бугор" главных противников "взбесившегося хама", как тогда либерасты называли революционные рабече-крестьянские массы. Есть настоятельная необходимость еще раз отправить в Гейропу всех либерастов, можно даже на Боинге-737.
    Without getting rid of the fifth column inside Russia, we cannot get out of the current problems.
  7. ImPerts
    ImPerts 9 November 2015 07: 47 New
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    And what can Westerners offer?
    PWC at Yukos has already shown its price and integrity.
    "недавно мне мой близкий друг, что трудится финансовым контролером проектов в российском подразделении швейцарской фирмы, рассказал за пивком, как у них проходит оптимизация. Чел по своей должности видит все денежные потоки фирмы Далее - с его слов.
    1) The director went on a week-long business trip with an assistant in Switzerland to a meeting to reduce costs. The cost of a trip is 8000 Euro.
    2) reduced five techies. Now no techie can get sick, because there is no one to replace him. In the event of downtime due to our fault, fines are colossal. We are already suing for 10 lyam rubles with the customer due to the fact that one techie simply does not have time to physically cope with the start-up of equipment at the facility on time.
    3) canceled cookies in the office and coffee. I think this is right, because it’s scary to look at some fat basses; the abundance of freebie cookies did not work.
    4) fired drivers and transferred them to an outsourcing company. As a result, we spend more on this in 1.3 times more than if the drivers were on staff and the cars were on balance.
    5) from Switzerland sent a crisis manager for six months. The cost, taking into account the rental of an apartment, a car with a driver, insurance and other expenses, cost 1 200 000 rubles per month. And while the first two months they were looking for a suitable apartment, this poet from Switzerland lived in Marriott on Tverskaya in the room for 17 000 per day.
    6) all these expenses were a heavy burden on the balance of the Russian representative office, the crisis manager ordered to raise prices for equipment, and also raised prices for the concluded contracts. As a result, part of the customers sent us nuku, and the other half of the customers sent us a message.
    7) hired a new marketing manager, with a white salary of 180 000 rubles per month.
    Цирк еще продолжается, посмотрим, когда компания объявит об уходе из России)))"
    http://pikabu.ru/story/yekonomim_na_spichkakh_ili_optimizatsiya_porusski_3764595

    Z. S. They just make money ...
    1. dvg79
      dvg79 9 November 2015 11: 45 New
      +7
      We in the trust have reduced to the point that there is no one to change our watch, and from the number of parasites in the office, our eyes are climbing.
  8. Svetovod
    Svetovod 9 November 2015 07: 52 New
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    I noticed this a long time ago. Head washing is hygienic, but for the whole country it leads to the fact that these washed ones, not understanding where they are taken from, want to be businessmen, lawyers, economists, managers, and other rubbish. Each of these types of activities, by its presence, indicates that the country has not established nicherta. The USSR was established, and there were not so many economists.

    А заграничные "друзья-партнёры" наверно понимают что эта прослойка "глистов" может быть либо бесполезна для России(при отсутствии занятости), либо вредна для России(при активной работе юристов, экономистов, менеджеров и тд).

    This layer of non-productive employees is called upon to serve the trade. But you can’t go far at one trade, and sail on it only towards the crisis. And production, in their opinion, is inefficient.

    They equate themselves to the west and so love to travel to Egypt and Turkey, and rest there from Russia.
  9. Owl
    Owl 9 November 2015 07: 52 New
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    Убивай образование и медицину, тупая и больная страна - не противник, это раб. Если по такому принципу "творят" работники правительства России, то значит, именно они враги России и наёмники Гос.Депа. США.
    1. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 9 November 2015 10: 02 New
      +4
      "Болонская" система образования создает только двуногих болонок (и дворняг), которые тем и занимаются, что виляют хвостами и заглядывают в глаза хозяину в ожидании, когда тот бросит им кость.
  10. Same lech
    Same lech 9 November 2015 07: 58 New
    +6
    Do they guarantee that such decisions do not run counter to the system of national security and Russian statehood itself?


    Well, our Augean stables are still cleaned and cleaned ... the work is endless.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 9 November 2015 15: 14 New
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Well, our Augean stables are still cleaned and cleaned ... the work is endless.



      Every year the number of people who want to clean these stables is decreasing ... Unfortunately, our generation is not forever, and the young generation is being educated in the spirit of PUK ...
  11. Riv
    Riv 9 November 2015 08: 05 New
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    Правильная статья. Если, к примеру, на мое место понадобится технолог, то молодого брать нельзя. Последствия могут быть фатальными и для блока, и для людей. Дело даже не в том, что молодой не знает нихрена. Ну не читал он "Муму", так может "Каштанку" наизусть выучил. Все мы когда то ничего не знали. Проблема, что у него нету никакого понятия об ответственности и ему невозможно объяснить, что за блок отвечает именно он, а не аппаратчик и не мастер смены. Отсидит на стульчике свои рабочие часы и домой пойдет. Ему наплевать, что там у него творится. Случись что - он искренне удивится: "При чем тут я? Мне ничего не сказали..." Балбес, это ты должен был сказать и не сказал. А не сказал ты, потому что не знал. А не знал, потому что тебе по щиколотки, что творится на установке. И так тебя научили в школе и в ВУЗе.
    And this booby wants a good salary ... In taxi drivers, fuck!
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 November 2015 17: 49 New
      0
      Riv

      In the punishment cell and sopromat in the hands.
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  13. cniza
    cniza 9 November 2015 08: 14 New
    +8
    Quote: The same Lech
    Do they guarantee that such decisions do not run counter to the system of national security and Russian statehood itself?


    Well, our Augean stables are still cleaned and cleaned ... the work is endless.



    They were cleaned a lot, what happened in 1992, when mass privatization was going on, this is not at all subject to any reasonable understanding. Remained, very well attached, students of consultants of the 90s and it is very difficult to deal with them - they are in power.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 9 November 2015 09: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: cniza
      what happened in 1992, when mass privatization was going on, is not at all subject to any reasonable understanding.

      Inspired (from memory, from the 90s ...):
      Разговор на "бирже":
      - What do you sell?
      -Iron!
      - ???
      - Well, that's it ... (trying to show with his hands).
      -Draw on a piece of paper!
      (draws on paper something like a channel ... and an I-beam ... and a corner ...)
      - What profiles?
      -?
      - Well, rooms according to GOST - 16,18,20 ...
      - I don’t know ... Yes, take it, the iron is good, new, not even rusty! ...
      ...Вот такая "квалифицированная" беседа (я - не покупатель...подслушал...)
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 November 2015 08: 15 New
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    Therefore, every day more than 2600 our professionals work in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Kazan, Novosibirsk, Rostov-on-Don, Krasnodar, Voronezh, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk and Vladikavkaz

    Как тут не вспомнить с ностальгией советское время. Тогда даже в кошмарном сне не могло присниться, что нашим образование будут заниматься зарубежные "профессионалы". Образование по западным лекалам уже в полную меру дает свои результаты - отсутствие элементарных знаний, презрение к патриотизму, преклонение перед западными "ценностями" и т.д. К чему это приведет в итоге даже думать не хочется. Все последние министры образования являлись прямыми виновниками разрушения молодых умов. А у нас продолжается порочная практика назначения на эту должность людей явно ненавидящих Россию. Копаем яму под себя.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 9 November 2015 09: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Therefore, every day more than 2600 our professionals work in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Kazan, Novosibirsk, Rostov-on-Don, Krasnodar, Voronezh, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk and Vladikavkaz

      Как тут не вспомнить с ностальгией советское время. Тогда даже в кошмарном сне не могло присниться, что нашим образование будут заниматься зарубежные "профессионалы". О

      Даже хуже: по неофициальной статистике (потому что запрет на публикацию и вообще озвучивание)значительная часть наших отечественных руководителей - предприятий, ВУЗов, администраторов городских, районных...замминистров...министров...и тэ дэ - в своё время успешно!!! прослушали курсы и сдали "экзамены" по дианетике...или сайентологии...или...ну, там много названий! (Для справки - прослушать, окончтиь курсы и сдать экзамены в этих запрещённых тоталитарных сектах практически невозможно...а вот стать психологически зависимым "зомби" - обязательно)
  15. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 9 November 2015 08: 32 New
    +7
    Often you have to communicate with graduates of a university, of a university alone and the same question arises all the time: What did they do there at this university all this time while studying ??? Maybe only by chance I get those graduates who cannot answer elementary questions? Even if so, then there are a lot of them suspiciously ... In general, it seems to me that so many universities today have simply become someone else's business projects and nothing more. There is a tremendous deception of both people and the state, it is necessary (again necessary!) To conduct an honest audit of all Russian universities and their affiliates and drastically reduce their number, and to establish secondary schools in their place. The question again arises: Where to get honest and incorruptible auditors ?!
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 November 2015 17: 59 New
      +1
      Tatar174

      If you are hiring a person, try to determine how they can learn quickly.

      For example, a CNC operator can be trained for 2 weeks to 2 months.
  16. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 November 2015 08: 39 New
    +3
    Our foundation of the 90s is so complicated.
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: Truth
    The very sources, if I may say so, are destroyed - Vocational Education.

    ВВП говорит о "разработке концепции профтехобразования". А чего там разрабатывать? Просто повыгонять из зданий бывших каблух арендаторов и открыть заново каблухи. Тогда у нас и сварщики будут уметь варить, а каменщики - класть кирпичи. As a man who devoted many years after the army to construction, I am in shock. In a cultural, but I express myself extremely uncultured ...
  17. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 9 November 2015 08: 48 New
    +5
    Если образование (и воспитание) отдано в руки зарубежных специалистов и по ихним методикам, то не ждите крепкой России. Вы видите, каковы западные ценности. Кроме того, надо не просто вложить в головы какой-то набор знаний, а прежде всего научить ДУМАТЬ. И эта погоня за "корочками", званиями и медалями?
    1. pavel_SPB
      pavel_SPB 9 November 2015 18: 16 New
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      Well, if they are OK, then okay :)

      If education (and upbringing) is given into the hands of foreign experts and their techniques
  18. Old26
    Old26 9 November 2015 08: 53 New
    +8
    Quote: Bob0859
    It is necessary to return to the Soviet system of education, with subsequent distribution to work with a three-year contract. The number of universities and humanities will immediately decrease. And advisers should be like Gerashchenko, Ivashov, Primakov.

    It is not only necessary to switch (return) to the Soviet system of education with subsequent distribution, this will not work. It is necessary to completely rebuild not only the education system.
    And the first and most important step is to remove the exam. It is from there that the whole root of evil, as it seems to me. Moreover, it is necessary in the educational system to take all the best that was in the USSR, to combine with the best that is now.
    For example, I studied for 7 years in my time in Ukraine. The last class, the tenth studied already in the RSFSR. Maybe in Ukraine I would have finished with a medal (I never pursued this, but you yourself understand that when you study well, even excellently and all the time at the same school, there are chances for a medal). But this is not about that. In the new class for the year I did not lower my level of knowledge. Moreover, some teachers expressed some surprise at the level. And why? Yes, the thing is that in Ukraine, exams at school, starting from grade 5, EMNIP, were ANNUAL. That is, people from class to class were not transferred to machines. No, they probably would have crossed, but purely psychologically they understood that at the end of the year EXAM, and not one and even the inveterate losers and idlers understood this by some tenth sense ...
    Why not make this compulsory in our schools?

    Further. I absolutely agree with vocational education. Vocational schools and technical schools. Without them, one cannot prepare the very necessary link in production. Highly skilled workers, mid-level specialists (craftsmen)

    Unambiguously reduce the number of universities and the number of paid places in universities. The main emphasis on budget places. Firstly, the number of phantom universities will disappear or be significantly reduced. Secondly, the enlargement of universities is not bad, when instead of three or four one appears, such as a federal university ...

    Необходимо убрать перекос в "изготовлении" специалистов, в основном гуманитарного профиля. Прогресс двигают в основном технари.

    But with the distribution of the issue is much more complicated. In the situation in the USSR, the state guaranteed at least not only work, but also housing to a young specialist. Now it is impossible. Well, it is probably possible to oblige employers to hire university graduates. And then how it turns out. The girl graduates from an university with an accounting profile. Age 23. And sometimes also a small child. She is trying to get a job, and she is told that yes, we need accountants under 25 to have adult children (not sitting on sick leave with a child) and with at least 5 years of experience in the specialty ...

    But the system associated with graduate education, such as undergraduate, specialty and graduate, I think it would be possible to leave. The minus of the Soviet system in this regard was that under pressure (or on the recommendation) of the parents, the young man came to the university and after a year or two realized that it was not his. Left And as a result, there is no education. IMHO stepping could fix this problem
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 9 November 2015 10: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      She is trying to get a job, and she is told that yes, we need an accountant up to 25 years old, so that there are adult children (not sitting on sick leave with a child) and with experience in the profession for at least 5 years ...

      It depends on where you want to get settled. If in Gazprom or NK, then there will be requirements for the applicant.
      And if in the BU, then because of the small salary and the minimum requirements)))
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 November 2015 18: 58 New
      0
      Old26

      When a young man left the university, this is called an increase in knowledge.

      The Soviet educational system is possible when the state capitalization is at least 75%. This applies to higher education. Capitalism is ideologically aimed at lowering producer income. Therefore, the industrialist cannot afford the cost of training. They want a ready-made specialist, the cost of training for which the state has incurred.

      In Canada, this experience was decided so. Preschool education at the state level. subsidies. Disgusting. But at least some. School free, mediocre. But good progress towards improvement is noticeable. Criticism has taken action. In high school, there is a little load, which increases responsibility.

      Higher education is partially paid. The state assumes payment and the more it sees the need for a particular area. For example, dentists and lawyers pay for everything in full. These are the most popular specialties in the private sector.

      I can rate the level of higher education as not bad. Kids strain learning.
  19. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 9 November 2015 08: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Видели мы уже "консультантов" в 90-х... Gaidarushka pulled, the earth is glassy to him! 500 pests with American and English passports went to the Kremlin on special passes. At that time, a friend of his son served in the Kremlin urgently, he checked these passes ...

    А про выпускников... Это раньше были ВУЗы, в которых учили. Инженеров, учителей, врачей... А сейчас ВУЗ делает вид, что учит, а студенты делают вид, что учатся. ВУЗ получает свои деньги, студенты - бесполезные корочки. Жена рассказывала, что у них завкафедрой, доктор филологических наук, всю жизнь изучает русскую литературу, забегает на кафедру и рвёт на себе волосы: "ВСЁПРОПАЛО!!!! Они "МУМУ" не читали!!!" Речь, кстати, о будущих журналистах, четвёртый курс. К жене на лекцию из группы в 15 человек приходят 1-2 - и те минут на 20 опаздывают и сидят баранами. Она ректору говорила, а та ей: "А что делать? Не отчислять же! Они же деньги платят, наполнение ВУЗа делают, как-нибудь выпустим..." Кто учился в советском ВУЗе, тот мой культурный шок поймёт...

    Так уж "повезло",что дом находится рядом с общежитиями технического университета belay I don’t know how students study, but until 5 in the morning they scream foolishly and listen to music (loud) until shit laughing Veselukha !!!!! What kind of specialists will be? Figs knows him! But perfectly able to rest and disturb public order is a fact !!! lol
    1. dvg79
      dvg79 9 November 2015 11: 56 New
      +5
      Students in all ages behaved this way, he was guilty of his own, but earlier the school base and worldview made it possible to poorly master the program, plus those who openly went to school were simply excluded. We read a lot on their own, and not just fun, now they read less and less .
  20. xorgi
    xorgi 9 November 2015 08: 55 New
    +4
    All this is correct, BUT! Several years ago, they tried to close part of the universities, proposed a system, good or bad, but a system for assessing the quality of work of universities. What happened Parents of high school students were the first to howl: how Putin and the deputies themselves learned, and our children are not given the opportunity to get higher education, now it will only be a lordly privilege. And the idea was safely buried.
    Второе, для авторов "гениальных" решений убрать лишние ВУЗы: просчитайте пожалуйста что будет если появиться масса неустроенной молодежи, в первую очередь с уровнем преступности и наркомании? Далее уровень взяткодательства в школах, ВУЗах и военкоматах? Отток научных специалистов? При учете, что Россия ведет два локальных конфликта и находиться под санкциями и информационным прессингом.
    А для любителей фразы "в советское время из ВУЗа выходил специалист", вы знаете что такое национальные кадры? Это когда из окрестных аулов собирали баранов и сажали в аудитории. Из них и специалисты получались соответствующие.
    1. dmb
      dmb 9 November 2015 13: 38 New
      0
      И когда это у нас "вой родителей" сильно пугал власть? А вот доходы от этого псевдообразования, а проще торговли дипломами на ч-м или 5-м месте после оружия, проституции и наркотиков. Потому и идею ликвидации псевдовузов похоронили. Что же касается барской привилегии, так это точно. Нормальное гуманитарное образование получают в подавляющем большинстве дети определенного слоя, исключение пожалуй лишь физматы, ибо там д..к сразу выделяется из общей массы. Объективности ради стоит сказать, что такое положение в образовании было и в позднем СССР, но куда в меньшей степени. Ну и ремарка по поводу "баранов". Знаю немало национальных кадров советского периода, которые на голову выше "истинна русскых" того же времени. А про сегодняшнее и упоминать не буду.
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 9 November 2015 18: 31 New
        0
        Stupidity. In the light of the current political situation, people are trying not to anger. Sometimes they noticed alleged statements in one direction or another, and then the government voices its position: this is how public opinion is monitored. As for the income from education - this is from the area of ​​your sore imagination, not so much there. And as for the national staff, I know it better than you, I have come across personally and repeatedly. Why can neither the Caucasian states nor the Central Asian still establish normal industry?
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 9 November 2015 19: 32 New
        0
        Dmb

        Платное образование несёт в себе девиз:" За ваши деньги, всё что мы хотим"

        При позднем СССР качество требования к знаниям понизилась из-за присутствия студентов которых "тянули". Сказывался вес ихних родителей в обществе. Впрочем такие перегибы свойственны для всех стран. Ибо мотивируют везде.

        А вот на счёт образования "элиты"?

        Duck how do you make him study?
  21. Old26
    Old26 9 November 2015 09: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: xorgi
    Do you know what national cadres are? This is when sheep from the surrounding villages were collected and planted in an audience. Of these, the specialists turned out to be appropriate.

    They took oaks and let out linden, it seems so
  22. Belousov
    Belousov 9 November 2015 09: 18 New
    +1
    Минобр, да как и прочие министерства не может проводить самостоятельную политику. Тут один вариант - "если звезды зажигают - значит это кому-нибудь нужно". Не может глава государства не знать о проблемах в отрасли, но как мы неоднократно слышали Путина полностью устраивает деятельность правительства. Вот и делайте выводы. Внешняя политика это конечно хорошо и очень нужно, не смотря на расходы. Но внутренней тоже надо заниматься, причем в интересах страны, а не "западных партнеров".
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 November 2015 19: 43 New
      -1
      Belousov

      I would not want to upset you. But the dependence of the Russian Federation on foreign policy is intuitively 50%.

      If the reform is initiated in an administrative way, objective external side effects will appear. By quiet, the government is doing something. Just a must. Still, the military-industrial complex does not let loose.

      You watched 3 episodes of an interview between Starikov and Glazyev. Although I called Glazyev a liberal, I probably went too far. So Glazyev noted how the Central Bank invested in American securities. It seems to me that this is not a mistake, it is part of the policy of the Russian Federation.
      A dialogue with the Americans.
  23. ayuric
    ayuric 9 November 2015 09: 21 New
    +2
    But I’m thinking about the vicious circle of education and employment: do you come to a factory to get a job, is there a tower? no, we don’t take without a higher one, you don’t come with a tower, there’s no experience, we don’t take without experience where the experience comes from and where the tower comes from. In addition, the rams come from the tower, they can’t connect two wires, because there is a tower, the salary is higher by definition than mine, a techie. And management reports on the high level of education of workers.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 November 2015 19: 51 New
      0
      ayuric

      When employee requirements are overestimated, this is a way to bring down your salary.

      Usually, as emigrants do. You say that you know how to do everything and you know everything and five years of experience. This demonstrates the enthusiasm for the employer, because he nevertheless knows what to expect from you.

      But once you get to work, you have to give all the best 100%. And books and self-study. There will be no help and tips. Competition in the workplace excludes mutual assistance.
  24. uizik
    uizik 9 November 2015 09: 23 New
    +1
    I wonder who is more fools or pests in Russia?
  25. Million
    Million 9 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +1
    The prestige of working professions must be raised, otherwise there is no one to work in the country
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 9 November 2015 10: 07 New
      0
      Prestige must be raised. You can return to the Soviet system when the worker received more engineering and technical assistance. A good friend of mine told me that while working as a foreman at a construction site, he received X rubles, and a slinger worker received 1,5 X. And he made fun of him because of such a difference. Moreover, the slinger worker received his 1,5 X, regardless of the place of work. Regardless, it is DSC or Gazprom.
      1. RoTTor
        RoTTor 9 November 2015 12: 35 New
        +2
        Рабочий без ИТР - рядовой без командиров и штаба = 0, это матрос-уборщик без штурмана и капитана. Даже Джон Сильвер из "Острова сокровищ" понимал это.
        And the payment should be appropriate.
        When the USSR entered the world leaders in the 30s, engineers - PRODUCTION COMMANDERS were respected and respected.
        Do not repeat. nonsense of Suslovian eeoluhs, due to which engineers and technicians became pariahs, and the country rolled back almost to the 3rd world
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 10 November 2015 08: 10 New
          0
          Quote: RoTTor
          Worker without engineers - ordinary without commanders and staff = 0, this is a sailor-cleaner without a navigator and captain.

          Watching whom you want to make more prestigious. After the collapse, bandits and girls of easy virtue were in fashion. Then bankers and pop singers. Then the officials and the hosts of the show ...
  26. Averias
    Averias 9 November 2015 09: 55 New
    +6
    У меня есть друг, ему уже за 60. Он человек воспитанный СССР. Он очень умный человек, он ученый. Но он, в бытность СССР - этот самый СССР не любил. Его лозунг был: "Не потреплю тоталитаризма". За что и состоял на учете в КГБ, под присмотром так сказать. Хотя, акромя этого лозунга, ничем таким (анти..... чего то там) не занимался. И вот этот ортодокс и непримиримый противник тоталитаризма и диктата, на днях мне заявляет. Сань(это я), ты будешь удивлен, но я хочу возврата тоталитаризма СССР. На мой вопрос - и с чего это ты "переобулся"? Он ответил, комментарии к трагедии с самолетом в Египте стали последней "каплей". И тут его прорвало, про всё выплеснул, про образование(развал), про тех.образование(развал), промышленность, медицину, про очковтирательство в науке и тд и тп. Разошелся не на шутку. Я спросил его, так предлагаешь то чего? Отвечает: Да "опустить занавес железный" ибо другого выхода он не видит. Легко сказать чем сделать.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 9 November 2015 11: 14 New
      +2
      Я спросил его, так предлагаешь то чего? Отвечает: Да "опустить занавес железный" ибо другого выхода он не видит.

      I agree with the opinion of your friend. Some five to ten years to lower the curtain.
      Не для всех, прекратить "утечку мозгов".
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 November 2015 20: 59 New
      -1
      Averias

      ВВП, не опускает "железный занавес". Так как на эти грабли уже прыгали, хоть и по необходимости. И. В. Сталин знал, что будет мировая война, но выхода другого небыло.

      GDP went the other way. He is trying to normalize the global cap system. Starting, it seems to me from the banking system. To avoid cyclical crises.
      And accordingly, the contradictions between the systems. Although of course the USSR will return, but modernized and sustainable.
    3. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 23: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Averias
      Отвечает: Да "опустить занавес железный" ибо другого выхода он не видит
      Как был этот Ваш "ученый" fool - so he stayed.
  27. kagorta
    kagorta 9 November 2015 10: 24 New
    -8
    Опять статья уря-патриотическая. Вы забываете, что вы живете при капитализме, что это был ваш осознанный выбор.И это большая аудиторская тройка (Эрнст энд Янг, Делойт энд Туш, Прайс Ватерхаус Куперс) и только ей доверяют все инвесторы мира. Наши аудиторы пока только в начале пути. И если ты хочешь привлечь их "проклятое капиталистическое" финансирование (а руководство страны об этом мечтает), то заключение должно быть только их.
    Tax planning under capitalism is a standard task, and even a simple stall owner does it. The only question is the degree of legality of these schemes. I, too, when working in an audit company, drew such schemes. And I do not think that the auditors of the Big Three drew, at least officially, that something was not legal. Their offices are 300 years old. And the name is expensive. For illegal schemes and their own minds are enough.
    Discussions about the quality of education, such as all polymers, all nonsense. We pissed off the Soviet school, and in high school you always have to study yourself (I entered the university under the USSR, graduated from the Russian Federation). And then it all depended on your desire and discipline. And it should be noted that now you can get a more cool higher education and an excellent set of knowledge in the first place, thanks to distance education technologies. And in the damned West there is much to learn. At the same time, the PwC Academy (this abbreviation is universally recognized, not PUK) is one of the best in the country, which provides additional economic education. And I am an economist with great experience recommending it to anyone who wants to really achieve something in life, as an economist.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 9 November 2015 11: 41 New
      +1
      I especially like the term optimization, in modern economics theory, due to high education, now it is a synonym for the word reduction, or in project management, we invite you to work on a project, say 25 engineers and 70 skilled workers, but where to get them? and what kind of money should be offered so that qualified workers go for half a year, a year - not for permanent work?
      1. kagorta
        kagorta 9 November 2015 12: 05 New
        +1
        I have been working in project management for eight years. And I came to the conclusion that it is impossible to save on project personnel. And if I have a choice between a cheap employee and an expensive professional. I will always choose an expensive professional, because the terms of the project will not be delayed, I will hand it over on time, and this is one third of the matter.
    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 23: 14 New
      0
      Quote: kagorta
      You forget that you live under capitalism, that it was your conscious choice
      How interesting...

      Получается, что тот "осознанный" выбор Вы радостно принимаете, а новому осознанному выбору о возврате социалистической всячески системы противитесь? smile
      1. kagorta
        kagorta 10 November 2015 11: 44 New
        0
        It was 91 years old. I was 16 years old, I sat with my father (lieutenant colonel) in a gash and watched TV with him. Which showed our bedlam. The German, realizing that we were Russians, asked what you would do. Father replied that if there was an order on tanks to Lamans tomorrow, then in a week we would be there.
        And my conscious choice, both then and now, is that we need to get rid of Transcaucasia and Central Asia (make half-colonies out of them and pump out resources). And to preserve the Union of the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine (our rulers thought they would want at any time and buy the whole of Ukraine, now they will have to pieces).
        With the modern development of society, socialism is not possible. The mass consciousness should be too high. So for now, the Swedish model is suitable for me. Where the elite limits itself and tightens the bottom.
  28. Jackking
    Jackking 9 November 2015 10: 52 New
    +4
    Instead of cutting budget places, we need to cut our ministers - education, finance, economic development. All the same, they rely only on the cost of oil, that is, they are useless - and not only additional places can be created on their salaries, but a new university can be built ...
  29. Turkir
    Turkir 9 November 2015 11: 04 New
    +5
    PwC is an international network of consulting companies with headquarters in London and annual revenues of $ 30 billion. In Russia, a network of companies sees its interest in literally all areas of activity, including medicine, construction and education. Back in the 90s, PwC began advising not only individual business areas, but also entire federal ministries of the Russian Federation.

    A disturbing article. The problem is outlined for sure.
    Will brain drain continue?
    ----
    До сих пор мы пользуемся "интеллектуальным капиталом" созданным в СССР.
    There is no new, scientific intelligentsia.
    1. Lena Alena
      Lena Alena 9 November 2015 15: 51 New
      +1
      And this capital, alas, is melting every year.
  30. Palach
    Palach 9 November 2015 11: 07 New
    +7
    I have long been wary of graduates of institutes.
    Once I came to such a job in a computer company as a techie, I had to interview him to find out the level of technical literacy.
    When he called the system unit processor, I precipitated.
    Вот такого "спеца" выпустили.
  31. 35lisment35
    35lisment35 9 November 2015 11: 38 New
    +3
    The article is silent about auditing British-American companies, which are located in absolutely ALL ministries and departments
  32. Redman
    Redman 9 November 2015 11: 54 New
    +4
    Всё что не возьми упирается в правительство. Остальные лишь исполняют ИХ решения. Правительство сформировано партией ''Единая Россия'' (Название наверняка западные полит технологи придумали. Так легче дурачить народ!).
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 23: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Redman
      Правительство сформировано партией ''Единая Россия''
      What country do you live in?

      Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 83

      President of Russian Federation:
      a) appoint, with the consent of the State Duma, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation;
      b) has the right to chair meetings of the Government of the Russian Federation;
      c) decide on the resignation of the Government of the Russian Federation;
      e) at the suggestion of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, appoints and dismisses the deputies of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, federal ministers;
  33. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 9 November 2015 12: 03 New
    +2
    Graduates of the university, with whom PUK cooperates: businessman Mikhail Prokhorov, Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Anton Siluanov, ex-chairman of the Central Bank Viktor Gerashchenko. As you can see, PwC is, on whom to rely in today's activities "for the benefit of the Russian State" and thanks to whom to keep close to the ministerial offices ...

    Вот, Уважаемые коллеги, начало секретных списков пятой колонны, столько копий сломано в борьбе с ней, а по большому счету думается мне, что одна из "игл бессмертия кощея" уничтожающего нашу страну реформами подобными реформе образования, вполне вероятно и находится в "яйце" этой самой «Прайс Уотерхаус Куперс». Которая кстати как пишет автор вполне комфортно чувствует себя в "государственном организме" России. Надо ВВП объяснить что министр образования нашей страны принимает активное участие в разрушении этого самого образования, под прикрытием ДАМы, да и про этот самый "ПУК" рассказать, а тож наверное скрывают враги столь секретную тайну от Царя. sad
  34. dvg79
    dvg79 9 November 2015 12: 08 New
    +2
    If the universities are to be reduced, then only commercial ones, it is necessary to revive vocational education, the rest of which are achieved at an accelerated pace. What can I say if we have not only alien planes but also pilots.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 9 November 2015 14: 48 New
      +2
      Что говорить, у нас есть и "липовые" пилоты:
      http://newdaynews.ru/automobile/483365.html
  35. RoTTor
    RoTTor 9 November 2015 12: 29 New
    +3
    In the USSR, education was state policy, now it’s a muddy business selling diplomas to undergraduates.
    The culprits of this .... sooner or later fall under the knife of such a Herurg ...
    1. Belousov
      Belousov 9 November 2015 17: 11 New
      +1
      The culprits of this sabotage for surgeons in Israel ride.
    2. Belousov
      Belousov 9 November 2015 17: 11 New
      0
      The culprits of this sabotage for surgeons in Israel ride.
  36. Belousov
    Belousov 9 November 2015 12: 54 New
    +2
    У нас была сильнейшая система образования, а потом начали рушить ее в угоду "партнерам". Вспомните, какой отток ученых был после развала Союза? Потому что наши ученые и спецы были на высочайшем уровне. Потом разнесли все образование, заменив тупым зубрированием в виде ЕГЭ. Советское образование учило людей думать, соображать, а не просто повторять как мантру за телекартинкой. В итоге современные российские ученые за бугром нафиг никому не нужны и совсем не потому что им тут создали шикарные условия, а потому что банально не зовут. Так что все эти соровские учебники надо выкидывать, все эти подмены понятий типа замены татаро-монгольского ига на просто монгольское выбрасывать (а то так скоро в угоду нацменьшинствам дойдем того, что Ермолов на поклон к Шамилю-собаке ездил) и восстанавливать советскую систему образования. Но пока у власти медведевско-улюкаевско-наибиуллинские граждане этого не случится. А раз Путин их не хочет менять, значит... Как говорится дальше думайте сами кому выгодно такое упадочное состояние страны...
  37. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 9 November 2015 13: 26 New
    +3
    In Togliatti, in every gateway of the academy and universities. In the iPhone, I opened the card and felt uneasy. I went to two academies, which is nearby. Each has one audience and a ticket office. Get a specialist country! am fool And so all over the country. I do not think we are an exception.
  38. tank64rus
    tank64rus 9 November 2015 13: 46 New
    +1
    Эта "организация" должна проходить как иностранный агент. Агенты влияния оказывается находятся во всех министерствах и ведомствах. А я думаю кто же так целенаправленно разваливает образование. А корни в оказывается в Госдепартаменте. Кстати как идёт ремонт Авроры в Питере.
  39. Olegater
    Olegater 9 November 2015 14: 15 New
    +2
    The Ministry of Education decided to take the path of the lowest mental costs and began to correct the situation by the method of banal reduction in the number of budget places in universities - they say, this way it will be possible to get rid of a large number of hunters for a university diploma. Well, who after these programs is Lebanon. Educated people are a problem for the authorities. People, in their opinion, should be like livestock, which is easy to manage. We are wondering if the government makes cattle out of us, then is our government ?????
  40. Rich-ksy
    Rich-ksy 9 November 2015 14: 21 New
    +6
    A generation of zero.

    I have a personal assistant at work, a girl Nastya, a Muscovite, 22 years old, studying in the last year of law school. Asks me a question:

    - Oh, and in fig the subway is so deeply built? Inconvenient and hard!
    - Well, you see, Nastya, the Moscow metro initially had a dual purpose. It was planned to be used both as urban transport and as a bomb shelter.
    Nastyusha grinned incredulously:
    - Bomb shelter? What a stupid thing! What, is someone going to bomb us?
    - I'll tell you more, Moscow has already been bombed.
    - Who ?!
    “Well ... Um, hmm,” the Germans bombed Moscow. During the war. Their planes flew in and dropped bombs.
    - What for!? Did they want to destroy us ?!
    - Well it is more like Yes…
    - Here are the bastards !!!
    - Well, well then!
    - And what, all the people were hiding from the bombing in the subway?
    - Well, not all ... But many. Someone spent the night here, and someone was constantly there.
    “And the bombs didn’t hit the subway?”
    - No.
    “Why did they drop bombs then?”
    - Do not understand…
    “Well, I mean, instead of throwing bombs to no purpose, they would go down the subway and shoot everyone.”
    - Nastya, well, they are Germans! They did not have our metro cards. And there, at the top, turnstiles, grandmothers on duty and cops. They weren’t allowed here simply!
    - Ahhhhh. Well, yes, I see.
    - Nastya, I was joking! In fact, the Germans stopped ours on the approaches to Moscow and did not allow them to enter the city.
    - Well done, yes?
    - Yeah, - I say, - really handsome !!!
    - But how did people live here in the subway?
    - Well, not very, of course, good. Wooden bunks hammered together and slept on them. Naras even stood on rails.
    “I don’t understand,” Nastya snapped, “but how did the trains go then?”
    - Well, the bombing was mainly at night, and people slept on the rails, and during the day the bunks could be removed and the trains started up again.
    - A nightmare! Well then, they’re completely crazy, to bomb at night! - indignant Nastya. - It's loud! How to sleep? !!
    - Well, these are Germans, Nastya, but we have a time difference with them.
    - Then it is clear.

    On my way back, I tried not to touch upon any serious topics in the conversation. But, nevertheless, again ran into.

    “I want to go to the Baltic on my next vacation,” Nastya dreamed.
    - But where exactly?
    - Well, somewhere to the sea ...
    - So to Lithuania, Estonia or Latvia? - I clarify the question.
    - ??????????????
    - Well, it is believed that three countries are included in the Baltic states: Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia. Which of them did you want to go to?
    - Class! And I thought it was one country - the Baltic states! I'm where the sea is.
    - In all three there are.
    - Darn! Here's how to choose now?
    - Well I do not know…
    - Have you been to the Baltic states?
    - It was. In Estonia.
    - So how is it? Is it troublesome to get a visa?
    - I was there under the Soviet Union. Then we were one country.
    - How is it “one country" ?!
    - The entire Baltic states were part of the USSR! Nastya, didn’t you know that ?!
    - Stunned!
    - Now you are all awesome! Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova also belonged to the USSR. And also Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. And also Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia!
    - Georgia !? Are these the ones that the war was with ?!
    “They are the most.” Well, you know what the USSR was, which then fell apart? You were still born in it!
    - Yes I know. There was some kind of USSR. Then fell apart. Well, I didn’t know that so much land had fallen from him ...
    I rode the subway and looked at the people around. Lots of young faces. All of them are ten to twelve younger than me. Are they all the same as Nastya ?! Zero generation. Perfect vegetables ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 9 November 2015 15: 00 New
      +3
      Well, judge for yourselves, why should she know about some Germans there, about some Soviet Socialist Republic, oh, the USSR (how many beeches). Her whole life (not counting work) is spent hanging out with friends in fashion boutiques, endless selfies, likes in VKontakte, photos on Instagram, and pulling money out of her boyfriend (if he certainly is). She is a typical representative of a consumer society.

      We used to love to make fun of the Americans for their small horizons, limited thinking and unwillingness to develop and learn something new about the world around us, especially outside of America. Only now we ourselves at such a pace will soon come to the same results.
    2. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 9 November 2015 16: 19 New
      +2
      If this girl Nastya is 22 years old, then she was born not in the USSR, but in Russia. Well, if all this is true, then this is complete Arctic fox.It is rightly said that the generation of the 90s is a lost generation.
    3. dvg79
      dvg79 9 November 2015 17: 29 New
      0
      Scary, really scary.
  41. yuriy55
    yuriy55 9 November 2015 14: 42 New
    +2
    Field notes:
    We expect great professionals from medical academies, BUT с живостью смотрим "Интернов" и ходим лечиться к отечественным специалистам, в отличие от тех, кто смотрит на нас сверху и ездит лечиться за границу...

    Every year we welcome new teachers who should bring knowledge to the Russian masses of children, BUT those who look at us from above send their children to study abroad ...

    We live, work and die in our land BUT those at whose enterprises we work, for the most part, prefer ...
    request
  42. veksha50
    veksha50 9 November 2015 14: 45 New
    +3
    "Выпускники вуза, с которым сотрудничает ПУК: бизнесмен Михаил Прохоров, министр финансов РФ Антон Силуанов, экс-председатель Центробанка Виктор Геращенко"...

    Hmm ... BUNK ... And it's not even funny ...

    К чему принимать разные законы о НКО, когда всякой гадости как было много, так и осталось... Причем - "выкормыши" занимают ключевые посты в правительстве и экономике страны...

    We’ll mess up now, swear, and the matter, as I think, will not be decided ... Ugh !!!
  43. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 November 2015 14: 46 New
    +3
    Уже двадцать пять лет все, на всех углах, криком кричат - идёт уничтожение лучшей в мире системы образования, а граждане до сих пор удивляются - "А кто это исделааал, может в этом есть какой-то хитрый плааан". Граждане, пока вы заняты анализом сортов хитрых планов, это делали и делают враги, извне и внутри государства. Так понятно?
  44. Toyvo
    Toyvo 9 November 2015 15: 23 New
    +5
    A letter about how an adult 45-year-old man with two higher educations ... decided to pass the exam in Russian.

    “Hello, Nikolai Viktorovich.
    Without a long introduction - by age I’m the same age as you, I have two higher educations. So I decided to try to pass the exam. Why - now we are not discussing, the need arose. I did not hurry, I decided to do it, having prepared. On the Internet I found a local economic and legal institute, which opened its doors to comers. I was alone in groups in Russian and physics. But I turned a blind eye to this and came to take a test test in Russian. Errors and contradictions in the tasks themselves immediately caught my eye. For example, in the answers it is required not to use spaces and commas, and then on the 20th task it is said “write such and such words through a comma”. In one task there were two right answers at once (a fused particle is NOT in a few words), but one was required. One more thing - there was no right answer at all. In one task, I made a mistake, but this is only from the point of view of the compiler, but in fact I answered correctly.

    In the second part of the task, in the analysis of the text it was required to indicate which sentences are the description, reasoning, parcel * ... I tripped over this "parcel" and asked the assistant what it was. The answer was immediate: “We do not know! You yourself must know this! ” The text, by the way, was from the history of Russia ... about the unsuccessful campaign of Peter the Great when he was surrounded by the Swedes led by King Karl (So in the text of the letter. Most likely, the Battle of Narva is meant when Peter was not surrounded, but the Russians suffered defeat, or the Prut campaign? But then the Turks surrounded our army, among whom was the “king” and the Swedish king N.S.). I wrote a short essay, I decided not to rack my brains, because the test is a trial one. I thought we’ll see what the complaints would be.

    And here is the next lesson. The teacher of 50-55 years behaved in a boorish way, but that’s not the point. While she chatted on the phone for 45 minutes, I read her listing of my exam scores and was sweating with horror. On three pages there was a huge table with which the examiner evaluated my work. And what was there just! My humble essay, in which I could only identify the only problem, the question of the “Russian national spirit,” was empty by these estimates. In a tiny historical passage, it turns out I had to consider seven (!) Problematic issues and a dozen topics. My essay was evaluated by criteria such as “maturity of judgment” and “persuasiveness of position”. In total, I can’t remember now, and the teacher refused to give me that big printout. I asked, what clever man makes such tests. She said that it comes from Moscow, namely from Moscow State University. Then he asked another question: “What is parcellation?”. This question greatly interested me. The teacher became angry at this and abruptly changed the subject.

    In the end, I decided not to go on such preparation anymore. Not only did we not make out any of my mistakes, so the teacher began to aggressively press me, saying that I did not see the plan. I calmly asked - what are you talking about? That fragment (text), the battle of the Russians against the Swedes, or my composition? She screeched at this, shouting, “Do I know what a paragraph is?” I have the opinion that the teachers themselves, who are engaged in this exam, have already become mentally abnormal. If I were a schoolboy, I would not just not pass the exam, I would simply not understand half the tasks!

    Is it time to pay attention to this exam? This is no longer just brain mutilation. This is insanity. Request (from somewhere, I don’t know), for example, a couple of tests in the Russian language and a matrix for analyzing the answers. You will be horrified. And no one can do anything about this ?! ”

    continued: http://nstarikov.ru/blog/59684
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 9 November 2015 16: 33 New
      +3
      This is not insanity, but the planned and malicious numbness of the young with the aim of killing Russia.
    2. xorgi
      xorgi 9 November 2015 18: 42 New
      0
      The first one. How old is this text?
      The second one. Regarding the assessment of the answer: such a detailed plan, the teacher must give (or present) for each answer, in each lesson, even if it is one line or one example. Naturally, a brief analysis of the answer is most often used, but for exams or open events full options are used.
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 9 November 2015 19: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Toyvo
      I stumbled over this "Parcel" and asked the assistant what it is


      Um ... I also have two higher educations ... But I saw this word, heard, read it for the first time today ...

      I became interested ... I climbed into the Internet ... I found ... I read ... I still swear ...

      Читайте сами: "Парцелляция — конструкция экспрессивного синтаксиса, представляющая собой намеренное расчленение связанного интонационно и на письме текста на несколько пунктуационно самостоятельных отрезков (в терминологии швейцарского лингвиста Шарля Балли — дислокация), например: «Джинсы, твидовый пиджак и хорошая рубашка. Очень хорошая. Моя любимая! Белая. Обычная белая рубашка. Но любимая. Я надел её… и отправился встречать Макса» (Евгений Гришковец).

      An indicator of the syntactic gap is a point (or another sign of the end of a sentence), which leads to an increase in the frequency of use of a point, and with visual perception of a text, to its intonation.

      The parcel construction has a two-part structure - the base part and the parcels.

      Парцеллятом является часть конструкции, которая образуется в результате расчленения простого или сложного предложения и зависит (грамматически и семантически) от предыдущего контекста, при этом обладает специфическими структурными особенностями."...

      Wouldn’t it be easier to say the old: SYNTAXIS ???

      And, frankly, on ... not only me, but many, do you need this ???
  45. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 9 November 2015 16: 00 New
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    Quote: SibSlavRus
    landmarks of the creator citizen

    Predecessor mr Livanova Mr Фурсенко говорил, что его задача заключается в том, чтобы "вместо человека - созидателя вырастить квалифицированного потребителя". Свою часть он выполнил, Ливанов - продолжает. Потреблятство под его руководством процветает.
  46. NordUral
    NordUral 9 November 2015 16: 29 New
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    Why are weird? It’s just that liberal consultants tell the liberals in power how to finish education in Russia more efficiently and quickly.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 9 November 2015 20: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: NordUral
      It’s just that liberal consultants tell the liberals in power how to finish education in Russia more efficiently and quickly.

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  47. NIKNN
    NIKNN 9 November 2015 19: 24 New
    +2
    Over the past few years, there has been a debate that there is a clear overabundance of universities and students in Russia. By the number of students in higher educational institutions, our country takes first place in the world, however, given the qualifications of most modern graduates and the more than obvious bias of universities in the specializations of a humanitarian and environmental character, this first place clearly does not look like an achievement.


    You can’t say better. Thanks to the author for a good article and you will read the comments. We understand all the damn. belay
  48. Russian_German
    Russian_German 9 November 2015 20: 22 New
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    Quote: igor.borov775
    And as always, we have sanctions, and we cannot with them. Listening to some experts on TV that crowds in government circles, plus ministers do not give reasons for accelerated growth. And the main thing that I endured listening to them, they say it’s not time yet

    Согласен, эти untermenschen искренне считают, что русские не на что не способны! Но вот вопрос, а что бы было, если б не было Запада? Нам что тогда, сразу в гроб ложиться, раз мы без Запада ни на что не способны. Смешно другое и грустно. Даже Сталин с 4мя классами церковно-приходской школы сумел сделать Россию великой державой. А эти, все поголовно с "высшим образованием", пурхаются как слепые котята. Все заделы, что мы используем из 60х, 70х, 80х годов прошлого столетия, ибо в 90 годах мы были полной опе, а время разработок 2000х ещё не пришло, да и были ли они? И вот их, доказавших свою эффективность годами, по указке госдепа стали считать устаревшими. Это всё равно, что физику посчитать устаревшей и переписать по указке госдепа заново.
  49. Governor
    Governor 9 November 2015 20: 41 New
    +1
    Getting up from your knees is a sweet tale for the stupid population of Russia. Everything in the West was under control, is and will be.
    Well, we don’t forget that Putin has done well, and foreign policy is simply a miracle.
    1. _GSVG_
      _GSVG_ 15 November 2015 21: 49 New
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      if only he could remember how Vissarionitch acted with pests, but do the mildest.
  50. Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 22: 51 New
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    In this regard, the question is: and those ministries, including the Ministry of Education and Science, which still receive consultations through PwC and similar networks, can guarantee independent decision-making?
    Counter-question: ministries, including the Ministry of Education and Science, which still receive consultations through PwC and similar networks, do they themselves exist outside the state permit system?