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Russian experienced engine PD-14 - in the air

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Blog bmpd posted a photo that captures the moment of separation from the runway of the IL-76LL laboratory aircraft. An experienced engine PD-14, produced by the Aviadvigatel company in Perm, is suspended under the wing of the aircraft.


Flying laboratory IL-76LL with an experienced engine PD-14 under the wing. Zhukovsky, 03.11.2015

Engine PD-14 №100-07 was sent to LII them. Gromova at the end of September 2015 g. According to the blogger, “during the tests of PD-14 on the IL-76LL wing, engine operating parameters will be recorded, telemetry and performance evaluation of the fuel and oil systems, as well as the automatic control system will be carried out.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 6 November 2015 11: 31
    70
    The first since the collapse of the USSR of its own design ... Good luck !!! good
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 6 November 2015 11: 43
      41
      Good news, here's another photo:
      1. Tor5
        Tor5 6 November 2015 11: 47
        12
        It would be nice to bring to the series and put on stream!
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. Sweles
      Sweles 6 November 2015 11: 51
      55 th
      Quote: Vladimir
      The first since the collapse of the USSR of its own design ... Good luck !!! good


      Yes, it was ridiculous to have passed 25 years for the country of developed liberalism to be able to hang its engine under the wing.
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 6 November 2015 12: 11
        23
        Quote: Sveles
        Quote: Vladimir
        The first since the collapse of the USSR of its own design ... Good luck !!! good


        Yes, it was ridiculous to have passed 25 years for the country of developed liberalism to be able to hang its engine under the wing.

        Well, of course you did a bunch of these motors, and you can lead the country. ..
        here is better (for friday) nice presentation of the motor bully
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 6 November 2015 14: 05
          +2
          Quote: Samaritan
          nice motor presentation


          Well, that's for sure, not PD-14.
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 6 November 2015 14: 05
          +1
          Quote: Samaritan
          nice motor presentation


          Well, that's for sure, not PD-14.
          1. Samaritan
            Samaritan 6 November 2015 14: 27
            +2


            Well, that's for sure, not PD-14. [/ Quote]
            Do you like the photo? :) it was written for Friday :))
            This is Klimov VK - 2500
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 12: 13
        21
        Quote: Sveles

        Yes, it was ridiculous to have passed 25 years for the country of developed liberalism to be able to hang its engine under the wing.

        Is the full moon tonight? Where did you all draw today.
        You already got sectarians.
        1. Deniska
          Deniska 6 November 2015 13: 04
          +5
          Maybe I called them on the "Censor" to talk))
      3. meriem1
        meriem1 6 November 2015 12: 27
        +6
        Quote: Sveles
        Quote: Vladimir
        The first since the collapse of the USSR of its own design ... Good luck !!! good


        Yes, it was ridiculous to have passed 25 years for the country of developed liberalism to be able to hang its engine under the wing.



        Liberasty ??? AU ... already not 90-97 year. Knock on the wrong gate dear !!! According to polls, less than 15% of Liberasts ... They were falling apart ... sucking ... But then it’s different on the face !! Quite Other!
      4. Manul
        Manul 6 November 2015 12: 57
        0
        Quote: Sveles
        Yes, it was ridiculous to have passed 25 years for the country of developed liberalism to be able to hang its engine under the wing.

        The percentage of the non-liberal part of the population is quite specifically displayed by the rating of our president. It is extremely unpleasant to read such generalizations regarding the whole country. I join the minusers.
      5. Down House
        Down House 6 November 2015 15: 17
        +2
        Quote: Sveles
        country of developed liberalism

        The news about the Russian engine, you mixed something up!
      6. Koshak
        Koshak 6 November 2015 18: 24
        +1
        Quote: Sveles
        Yes, it was ridiculous to have passed 25 years for the country of developed liberalism to be able to hang its engine under the wing.

        As you already got everyone, whiners. They don’t do it — badly, they began to do it — also badly. Itself from the liberals or from Svidomo?
      7. mosquit
        mosquit 6 November 2015 19: 15
        0
        Your humor will not be appreciated ... laughing
    3. vodolaz
      vodolaz 6 November 2015 12: 06
      +1
      Good news. Although if you do not know what it is about, it seems that what was found in the bins was stuck onto the plane)
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 6 November 2015 12: 17
        13
        Quote: vodolaz
        Good news. Although if you do not know what it is about, it seems that what was found in the bins was stuck onto the plane)

        Well yes expanse for Ukrainians Trolls :)))
        It happens like this, in general, the Muscovite will tear :)):
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 6 November 2015 12: 45
          10
          But if you know what it is about. This photo is very much what it means. And not a single factory and kb stands behind it. The very fact of such flights pleases! God grant!
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 6 November 2015 13: 13
            +6
            Quote: Observer 33
            But if you know what it is about. This photo is very much what it means. And not a single factory and kb stands behind it. The very fact of such flights pleases! God grant!

            Oh BROTHERS, good luck! And God forbid not the last time we are happy for our design bureaus and factories. drinks
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 November 2015 16: 35
          +9
          What kind of motors did Ilyusha "drive" ....))))

          or here
          1. ancient
            ancient 6 November 2015 18: 59
            +5
            Quote: Stroporez
            Ilyusha has driven all kinds of motors.


            Everything, Valera, ... was taken away ... now since August 6 for .. "eternal storage" soldier

        3. Aljavad
          Aljavad 6 November 2015 20: 35
          0
          Well yes expanse for Ukrainians Trolls :)))
          It happens like this, in general, the Muscovite will tear :)):


          Aha! Like, "the engines are gone!" laughing
          Well, let them rejoice, jump!
      2. zennon
        zennon 6 November 2015 15: 13
        +7
        Quote: vodolaz
        Good news. Although if you do not know what it is about, it seems that what was found in the bins was stuck onto the plane)

        And here is another with NK-93. I saw it myself.
    4. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 6 November 2015 14: 27
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir
      The first since the collapse of the USSR of its own design ... Good luck !!! good

      That's right!!!
      Pleased with the "old". soldier
      For this you can drinks
  2. roskot
    roskot 6 November 2015 11: 33
    17
    Well, we can when we want. And let him not be the last.
    1. weaver85
      weaver85 6 November 2015 12: 09
      +9
      Brothers, what about the engine of KB SNTK them. Kuznetsova NK-93?
      By the time the PD-14 engine design was launched (with allocation of 80 billion rubles for design), the NK-93 had already been developed, assembled in prototypes and passed the tests - however, it did not reach certification (over 18 years!) Due to lack of funding ( 1,5 billion rubles) and KB bankruptcy.
      It seems to me alone that the pressure of the liberal lobby is not in the interests of our country?
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 6 November 2015 12: 38
        +9
        Quote: weaver85
        Brothers, what about the engine of KB SNTK them. Kuznetsova NK-93?

        The plans of Kuznetsov OJSC for the coming years include an increase in production capacities and the resumption of work on the NK-32 engine (from 2016). Also today, the possibility of restoring the unique engine of the Kuznetsov school, NK-93, is being analyzed.
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 6 November 2015 19: 00
          +1
          What does "restoration of nk-93" mean? As an aircraft engine, it is not produced, but as a pumping station named nk-38st, it seems like they are serially building, so the technology has not gone anywhere
        2. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 6 November 2015 22: 37
          0
          Quote: WUA 518
          Quote: weaver85
          Brothers, what about the engine of KB SNTK them. Kuznetsova NK-93?

          The plans of Kuznetsov OJSC for the coming years include an increase in production capacities and the resumption of work on the NK-32 engine (from 2016). Also today, the possibility of restoring the unique engine of the Kuznetsov school, NK-93, is being analyzed.

          God grant that!
      2. Abrekkos
        Abrekkos 6 November 2015 14: 06
        +8
        The propeller-fan with an ultra-high bypass ratio NK-93 is certainly a promising business. "By the time the design of the PD-14 engine was launched," NK-93 was already ahead of PD-14.
        But there are many but. One of the main ones is that no one undertook to make a gearbox with the required resource. Creating the necessary technologies and materials from scratch carried the risks of appreciation. And to certify NK-93 with the resource that he had no sense. Nobody did and does not do the necessary technology. So resuming the program looks illusory. Kuznetsov Design Bureau is interrupted by bread and water orders for promising bombers, and there are completely different requirements.

        They simply went on the beaten track on the one hand, correctly — fewer risks (and how else to argue with the officials who themselves do not understand what anyone is telling them?).

        On the other hand, it’s not right. with PD-14 you will not achieve any breakthrough and you will be somewhere at the level of more powerful and eminent competitors. Why buy it is not clear what the Russians have if it does not give tangible economic benefits.
        And eminent competitors can implement a screw-fan circuit and be far ahead (and they are busy with it although they have nowhere to hurry).

        And about the fact that the NK-93 was oversized for existing machines - this is a legend for a simple explanation of the rejection of it. In reality, with him, the IL-96 and Tu 204 would have been much more competitive without the notorious black wings and other "chernukha" :-)
        And even with the modification and even more so.
      3. xtur
        xtur 6 November 2015 14: 58
        0
        Read this thread, in my opinion there is an answer to your question:

        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1563191.html?thread=139189815#t139189815
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 6 November 2015 15: 58
        0
        Quote: weaver85
        Brothers, what about the engine of KB SNTK them. Kuznetsova NK-93?

        And you yourself ask: "but there was a boy", i.e. what was the state of work on the NK-93 and were there any prospects from the point of view of not experiments (which will also be useful), but serial production.
        Yes, and the aircraft is needed for the NK-93, anyhow you can’t hang it anywhere - great, however.
        1. zennon
          zennon 6 November 2015 17: 52
          +2
          Quote: Alekseev
          Yes, and the aircraft is needed for the NK-93, anyhow you can’t hang it anywhere - great, however.

          No more Rolls-Royce Trent. And that one has a thrust in the family from 24 to 42 tons. At the same time, it has noise, MTBF, and resource peeping. Doesn’t it seem to you that we are trying to justify a bad dancer? ..
  3. fox21h
    fox21h 6 November 2015 11: 34
    13
    Quote: Vladimir
    The first since the collapse of the USSR of its own design ... Good luck !!! good

    How I want to see the revival of our civil aviation ...
    Maybe then our planes will stop falling too, and we will not use the stopetheletny flying foreign stuff.
  4. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 6 November 2015 11: 34
    +5
    Here you go!
    Finally!
    A stone fell from the heart ... Why did they "suffer" for so long ??? All normal people of this kind of news, from our aviation industry, are already longing for it! With a start!
    ... where is my glass? )))
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 6 November 2015 12: 49
      +3
      So it’s clear why it took so long ... Some shovels didn’t produce anymore, or they imposed other sanctions until everything started again in place ... Better late than ... Although there isn’t better early and more! good
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 November 2015 11: 35
    14
    The engine, judging by the cross section, increased bypass. It is necessary to look at the parameters. Pleases. Big engines are big planes.
    1. FID
      FID 6 November 2015 11: 40
      16
      Thrust-14 tons (up to 17 on individual modifications) ... For example, Pratt / Whitney and Rolls for wide-body - up to 44 tons. The bypass ratio is about 9 ...
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 6 November 2015 11: 46
        +3
        Sorry Sergey, slammed minus by accident ...
        And on the topic we lag behind terribly, unfortunately we are still in the last century ...
        1. meriem1
          meriem1 6 November 2015 12: 33
          0
          Quote: Samaritan
          Sorry Sergey, slammed minus by accident ...
          And on the topic we lag behind terribly, unfortunately we are still in the last century ...



          And the army in the last century was ... And now, look ... some people managed it ... And to tell you about all the workings ... they told you so! Where such infa ??? About the last century? Zadolbali defeatists! Everything is given by Faith! Write again the quote of the obama .. That we are destroyed to the ground ... And then We have already forgotten and are bored !!!!
          1. Manul
            Manul 6 November 2015 13: 09
            +5
            Quote: meriem1
            And the army in the last century was ... And now, look ... some people managed it ... And to tell you about all the workings ... they told you so! Where such infa ??? About the last century? Zadolbali defeatists! Everything is given by Faith! Write again the quote of the obama .. That we are destroyed to the ground ... And then We have already forgotten and are bored !!!!

            Well, what are you off topic topic? It is better to recognize the real situation. I better read the reasoned arguments in the comments that we have problems in certain areas than to listen to this patriotic pathos once again. Sorry for the harshness, it’s boiling. Is it not obvious that the discussion is conducted by knowledgeable and understanding people? I’m sitting, I’m silent in a rag, I swallow the information, and then my hats flew up. I could not restrain myself.
          2. meriem1
            meriem1 6 November 2015 20: 00
            +1
            I do not soar minuses !!!! I Love My Moscow. Great city ... MORE homeland. I also know it not badly. And cons only remind. wb ludonov who, after Tsushima of the emperor of Japan, congratulated on their victory! ... If so, is the MOTHERLAND bad? And not a fuck .... would you go where rotten ears loom ??? I say it again! There is a PM. Ready to talk to everyone !!! But I have been proposing for a long time. Rotten something keep quiet! Say because there is nothing !!! Lord Nobody !!!!
            1. Manul
              Manul 7 November 2015 00: 50
              +1
              Quote: meriem1
              I do not soar minuses !!!! I Love My Moscow. Great city ... MORE homeland. I also know it not badly. And cons only remind. wb ludonov who, after Tsushima of the emperor of Japan, congratulated on their victory! ... If so, is the MOTHERLAND bad? And not a fuck .... would you go where rotten ears loom ??? I say it again! There is a PM. Ready to talk to everyone !!! But I have been proposing for a long time. Rotten something keep quiet! Say because there is nothing !!! Lord Nobody !!!!

              Dmitry, I am very happy for you that you so passionately love our country and believe that everything will be fine with us. I’ll tell you a secret - everyone here is like that. And there are no liberals and enemies whom you seek. Slow down a little. Nobody writes to you in a personal email to discuss these issues with you, apparently because your interlocutor is not so hot. But everything is fixable. Learn endurance and respect. Who did you mean by your answer? Me, Samaritan, everyone in this thread or the alleged liberals who are sitting here in ambush?
              And the fact that there are patriotic articles is there and you need to let out your steam, it’s even somehow inconvenient to explain. You’re rather big. It’s absolutely the same to you what they’re experiencing there.
      2. engineer74
        engineer74 6 November 2015 11: 49
        +7
        With PD-14, another thing is interesting: dozens of UEC enterprises did it, the first experience of such cooperation, I hope successful! Maybe it’s not such a bad idea to bring all plants into one corporation?
        Well, anyway, I now have a legitimate reason drinks !
      3. sa-ag
        sa-ag 6 November 2015 11: 58
        +1
        Quote: SSI
        Thrust-14 tons (up to 17 on individual modifications) ... For example, Pratt / Whitney and Rolls for wide-body - up to 44 tons

        Yes, of course, the numbers do not inspire optimism, but you can buy the latest engines to see what is wrong with the PD-14 or with engines in general?
        1. FID
          FID 6 November 2015 12: 02
          11
          Quote: sa-ag
          Yes, of course, the numbers do not inspire optimism, but you can buy the latest engines to see what is wrong with the PD-14 or with engines in general?

          Yes, it’s just the first experience of its motors that meet foreign standards ... Another thing scares, issue: by 2020, 40 motors per year. This is for about 15 aircraft ... Again piece production ????
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 6 November 2015 12: 12
            +1
            A little "inside" - 40 per year is the current need, the preparation of production was carried out with other figures. wink
            1. FID
              FID 6 November 2015 12: 44
              +7
              Quote: engineer74
              A little "inside" - 40 per year is the current need, the preparation of production was carried out with other figures.

              Current need for 2020? Or when? These figures confuse me ... After all, several enterprises can do it. After all, they are going to remotorize the thuja pile of planes!
              1. engineer74
                engineer74 6 November 2015 13: 01
                +2
                The conversation was about 10 sets per month, and about several enterprises - here it is a little different - each plant makes its own part of the product, now they refuse from parallel production, i.e. "centers of competence" are created for units and assemblies (according to the same scheme, VK-2500 and others are being introduced). I think this approach is correct, but how it will be - time will tell. Actually, PD-14 was the first engine made in such cooperation, a test balloon, so to speak (there was AL-31, Moscow ("hot part") and Ufa (everything else) did, but something, in Soviet times, did not work - everyone did it himself)! And the possibility of transferring technology to other plants has been specially discussed.
          2. Sweles
            Sweles 6 November 2015 12: 37
            +1
            Quote: SSI
            Quote: sa-ag
            Yes, of course, the numbers do not inspire optimism, but you can buy the latest engines to see what is wrong with the PD-14 or with engines in general?

            Yes, it’s just the first experience of its motors that meet foreign standards ... Another thing scares, issue: by 2020, 40 motors per year. This is for about 15 aircraft ... Again piece production ????


            well, who needs it? how to get their companies to buy our planes with our own engines? is there an opportunity to influence the policy of air campaigns? We are told no, the "market" they say. And I think there is, but this is the policy of the state.
            1. ancient
              ancient 6 November 2015 19: 08
              +3
              Quote: Sveles
              how to get your companies to buy our aircraft with our own engines? is it possible to influence the policy of airline campaigns?


              And how before .. "influenced"? wink Turn to the hopscotch wassat



              Well .. remember .. "how" did you put on the "Super-Bobik"? (Lebedev and his "Red Wings") wink
              And how one of the most powerful companies in the country was made in a "second" ... "bankrupt" wassat

              Well, and a lot more everyone, everyone ... "for official use" bully
          3. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 6 November 2015 14: 37
            -2
            Quote: SSI
            2020 40 motors per year. This is for about 15 aircraft ...

            Is that 135 engines on a plane ???
            1. FID
              FID 6 November 2015 14: 43
              +3
              Quote: Saratoga833
              Is that 135 engines on a plane ???

              Why? 238 approximately ... 40/2 = 20, approximately 8-10 - this is a spare part, so it turns out 15 aircraft per year (by 2020 it is supposed to produce 40 engines a year, if you do not understand ...)
        2. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 6 November 2015 12: 53
          +2
          Yes, with engines it’s so. The question is, what to put them? Well, they made an engine with a thrust of 50 tons. And where is it? Sell ​​Airbus? So they didn’t seem to order ...
      4. fzr1000
        fzr1000 6 November 2015 12: 02
        +1
        Can you tell me the Rolls model? I know up to 30 tons, but there are no such parameters.
        1. FID
          FID 6 November 2015 12: 40
          +1
          Quote: fzr1000
          Can you tell me the Rolls model? I know up to 30 tons, but there are no such parameters

          Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 - thrust in kilopounds - about 44 tons.
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          2. Sweles
            Sweles 6 November 2015 12: 54
            +2
            Quote: SSI
            Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 - traction in kilo-pounds - approximately 44 t


            The Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engine model was designed to attract young people to science or engineering.
            At the Farnborough Airshow, Rolls-Royce unveiled a model of its most advanced aircraft engine, made from Lego parts.
            To create a model of the Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engine, which is designed to be installed on the new Boeing 787 Dreamliner, it took 152 thousand parts taken from the original designers. BrightBricks has been creating the model on a 1: 2 scale for eight weeks. The pickers were advised by Rolls-Royce to maximize the likeness of the original.
            The real Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 is assembled from 30 thousand parts, weighs 5,8 tons and creates a thrust of 34 tons.


            Source: http://www.adme.ru/tvorchestvo-reklama/iz-lego-slozhili-aviacionnyj-dvigatel-rol


            ls-royce-398255 / © AdMe.ru


            You are not mistaken? 34 tons.
            1. FID
              FID 6 November 2015 13: 24
              +3
              Quote: Sveles
              You are not mistaken? 34 tons

              I agree! Confused with Pratt / Whitney 4000 ...
            2. zennon
              zennon 6 November 2015 20: 21
              0
              Quote: Sveles
              You are not mistaken? 34 tons.

              Traction Trent 1000-42 tons.
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      5. Simple
        Simple 6 November 2015 12: 35
        +6
        Quote: SSI
        Thrust-14 tons (up to 17 on individual modifications) ... For example, Pratt / Whitney and Rolls for wide-body - up to 44 tons. The bypass ratio is about 9 ...


        To make up for handicaps at a time twenty-five years. ...
        Miracles do not happen.
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 6 November 2015 19: 10
          0
          Why did you decide that this PD-14 engine for wide-body aircraft? It seems to be for Tu-204 class airplanes, and for its class the characteristics are quite. Won Boeing 737 is quite costing engines of 10-11 tons of thrust
      6. WUA 518
        WUA 518 6 November 2015 12: 43
        +4
        Quote: SSI
        The bypass ratio is about 9 ...

        Seryozha welcome. The main problem, as I understand it in a gas generator, is now being written about the unification of a gas generator. What are you unified with what you are not aware of?
        1. FID
          FID 6 November 2015 13: 13
          +5
          Quote: WUA 518
          Seryozha welcome.

          Hi Sasha! With French Navy, so as not to depend on the French ...
        2. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 6 November 2015 17: 01
          0
          You don’t need to be seven spans in your forehead to increase the size of the engine, thereby achieving a thrust of 44 tons (Russia does not make such engines not because it cannot technically, but because we don’t need a big plane that would require such engines, we would have designed it). But how to increase traction with a relatively small size is already more difficult.
  6. Taygerus
    Taygerus 6 November 2015 11: 35
    +8
    the main thing is that, as they say, the process has begun good
  7. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 6 November 2015 11: 39
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The engine, judging by the cross section, increased bypass. It is necessary to look at the parameters. Pleases. Big engines are big planes.

    The PD-14 engine is designed for the MS-21 aircraft (though it is not there yet, in metal ...)
    1. TSOOBER
      TSOOBER 6 November 2015 11: 43
      +5
      PD-14 / PD-14A - MS-21-300 / 200
      PD-14M - MTA, MS-21-400, remotorization of IL-76, Tu-204, IL-96-400
      PD-10: CJ NG
      Industrial gas turbines with capacities of 6-8 and 12-16MW
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 6 November 2015 12: 59
      11
      Already is in metal. I saw it myself! fellow Sorry to provide a photo, I can not. For obvious reasons, photo and video equipment should not be carried where it is in metal! But take a word, the fusel is assembled, the planes made by the new technology have already arrived, but so far they exist separately from the fusel. See you soon. It remains to wait, not much. hi
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      2. gjv
        gjv 6 November 2015 15: 36
        +3
        Quote: Observer 33
        Already is in metal. I saw it myself! Sorry to provide a photo, I can not.

        April 9. Fuselage panel of MC-21 aircraft. Photo by the press service of CJSC "Aviastar - SP"

        July 2. Under keel compartment MS-21. Photo by Aviastar-SP press service

        "The family of MC-21 short-haul passenger aircraft is being developed by OJSC Irkut Corporation in cooperation with OJSC UAC, CJSC Aviastar-SP, CJSC AeroCompozit, OJSC UEC and a number of other Russian and foreign foreign companies." , - noted at the enterprise.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 November 2015 16: 04
          +6
          here is a video of Irkut
        2. mosquit
          mosquit 6 November 2015 19: 22
          0
          The plant cannot develop aircraft, only reproduce it in hardware on the basis of technical documentation and within the framework of existing technologies ...
  8. Alex_59
    Alex_59 6 November 2015 11: 39
    +3
    http://russianplanes.net/id114438 - вот как выглядел этот Ил-76ЛЛ в 2007 году. Был не в лучшем состоянии.
  9. horoh
    horoh 6 November 2015 11: 41
    +2
    The news is excellent, we are waiting for the test results and technical specifications.
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 November 2015 11: 42
    +3
    And let our enemies choke on our snot!
    We are still flying over their graves! bully
  11. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 6 November 2015 11: 47
    +1
    Quote: aszzz888
    And let our enemies choke on our snot!
    We are still flying over their graves! bully

    "Let's calibrate"!))
    Here's another - they put monuments on the graves!
    Sand "sprinkles" and okay! ))))
  12. GAndr
    GAndr 6 November 2015 11: 47
    +1
    I'm still on MAX 97, I saw the IL 76 laboratory with a suspended non-native engine, here's how it is in the photo. But I don’t remember which engine was run there.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 6 November 2015 12: 44
      +8
      Quote: GAndr
      I saw the laboratory IL 76 with a suspended non-native engine, that's how it is in the photo. But I don’t remember which engine was run there.

      NK-93.
  13. twincam
    twincam 6 November 2015 11: 51
    +1
    Quote: Alex_59
    http://russianplanes.net/id114438 - вот как выглядел этот Ил-76ЛЛ в 2007 году. Был не в лучшем состоянии.

    yes ...
    okay so, the 77-year-old plane, my peer))))
    his story is of course difficult ...
    KB: Ilyushin
    type: IL-76LL

    manufacturing plant: TAPOiCH
    tech. state: flies
    Head number: 073410308
    tech. onboard: 76529

    first flight: 1977
    release date: 1977.9.12
    Delivery in a / c: 1977.09.12
    tech. airline: LII Gromova
    notes:
    The fourth aircraft - under the contract concluded in the summer of 1976 for the supply of 6 aircraft for the Iraqi Air Force. This deal was the first export agreement in the history of the Il-76. The contract itself was rather unusual, as it provided for the supply of equipment on a long-term lease with the right to subsequently replace it with new series machines. Thus, the Iraqi Air Force became the only foreign recipient of all "military" modifications of the Il-76 - from the 76th "no letter" to the 76M, and then the 76MD.

    In 1989 he was returned to the USSR, where he was redone in the IL-76LL4 - a flying laboratory for testing engines.
    In 1989, the first flight was made with the first domestic propeller-driven engine - D-236T (10900 electric power) with a propeller SV-36.
    In 1990, instead of the D-236T, an engine of a similar class was installed - D-27 (14000 electric power) with a propeller SV-27.
    In 1994, it was decommissioned and was stored in Zhukovsky without engines.

    On August 11, 2014, he was spotted in the LII hangar, where work was carried out to install a new test engine - PD-14 (the seventh assembled engine, the first production one).
    October 24, 2015 - rollout.
    October 30, 2015 - the first flight during which PD-14 inclusions were made.
  14. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 6 November 2015 11: 57
    +4
    Yes, if you could create your own passenger airliner with a capacity of up to 300 passengers and then throw away all the American junk in order to feel confident that you have not been fooled.
  15. flay
    flay 6 November 2015 12: 14
    +3
    Quote: SSI
    Thrust-14 tons (up to 17 on individual modifications) ... For example, Pratt / Whitney and Rolls for wide-body - up to 44 tons. The bypass ratio is about 9 ...


    But what is such a difference in traction? belay Are our engine drivers so far behind?
    Well thenЫ can go the Chinese way, buy from the bourgeoisie and copy. yes good
    We have a school, we have to pull ourselves up pretty quickly.
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 6 November 2015 14: 15
      +1
      Yes, and for different planes :))
      it’s just by analogy, everything is fine !!! the main thing is to start ie restore your production !!!
  16. Engineer
    Engineer 6 November 2015 12: 21
    +1
    Ilu can be changed all engines to PD-14 - and the power is more and much more economical.
    1. FID
      FID 6 November 2015 13: 55
      +2
      Quote: Engineer
      Ilu can be changed all engines on PD-14 - and the power is more and more economical much

      What is it like? PS-90 16 tons of thrust ... and about profitability - how is it?
  17. Simple
    Simple 6 November 2015 12: 48
    +2
    Video topic:


  18. ARES623
    ARES623 6 November 2015 12: 56
    +4
    We need this engine like air. In addition to aircraft, one of its modifications is planned to replace the D-136 from Motor Sich with the Mi-26 and a joint project with the Chinese. Well, it is necessary to go to the 25-30-ton one to replace the D-18T with the Ruslan. And there was still a horse lying around (if the cook is not lying to us).
  19. Engineer
    Engineer 6 November 2015 13: 10
    +1
    Quote: weaver85
    Brothers, what about the engine of KB SNTK them. Kuznetsova NK-93?
    By the time the PD-14 engine design was launched (with allocation of 80 billion rubles for design), the NK-93 had already been developed, assembled in prototypes and passed the tests - however, it did not reach certification (over 18 years!) Due to lack of funding ( 1,5 billion rubles) and KB bankruptcy.
    It seems to me alone that the pressure of the liberal lobby is not in the interests of our country?


    NK-93 - a descendant of NK-92, an engine under the IL-106. The plane did not go and the engine was no longer needed. We did not develop new airbuses anymore. On the IL-96, he does not really climb because of the dimensions, although on the MAX for a long time I saw such a model with them. And the developments on NK-93 and Nk-56 resulted in the PD-14 family, which is logical.
  20. Cook
    Cook 6 November 2015 13: 34
    +2
    But what is such a difference in traction? Are our engine drivers so far behind?


    The engine is made for a specific aircraft, and not vice versa. As aircraft builders order a motor with higher thrust, motorists will begin to puff over it. But this will be another dimension.
  21. Whowhy
    Whowhy 6 November 2015 13: 35
    +3
    As for the NK-93, this is now the standard situation in Russia. The degradation of power at all levels has reached its climax. Very few people who are “offended for the State” are mostly temporary workers who are thinking about their current benefits. As a result of Yeltsin's "great capitalist revolution," we slipped into some kind of capitalist feudalism. Local kings obsequiously look into the mouths of their superiors, but in their diocese they wanted to spit on some kind of scientific campaign (though often on common sense too) and put their opinion above all else.
  22. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 6 November 2015 13: 43
    +7
    Quote: SSI
    Thrust-14 tons (up to 17 on individual modifications) ... For example, Pratt / Whitney and Rolls for wide-body - up to 44 tons. The bypass ratio is about 9 ...


    In fact, the development of the engine is determined by the aircraft on which it will be put (with some margin of course). The stock cannot be large because different design and technological solutions are optimal for different dimensions. Otherwise, either the resource or weight excellence, cost, and much more will suffer. But this is not the main thing.

    PD-14 was designed for a range with a take-off thrust of 9-18 tf.

    In this range, a unified gas generator and something else is obtained. The essence of unification is not in a single design and unification of parts, but in one production technology (titanium blades and composite fan casing, monowheels in a welded HPC rotor, technologies of the notorious low-emission combustion chamber, single-crystal HPP blades, hollow LPT blades, "ceramization" of the hot part, etc. .P.). If we go out of dimension, then we need other technologies and other production, and this is other money.
    But why?
    Real life has shown that even more than 15,5 tf (for MS-21-400, MTS) on the PD-14M we do not need now. Nothing more is really being designed. We do not have airplanes for this.

    So less does not mean worse or easier. Often the opposite.

    The first flight is a big deal. Not because he flew, of course (he is still flying as a "passenger"). But because a huge amount of work has been completed, the main solutions and characteristics have been confirmed.
    The main thing now is to confirm everything "on the wing".
    1. FID
      FID 6 November 2015 14: 02
      +5
      Yes, God bless her, with traction ... The resource is the Achilles' heel of domestic motors ... After all, PS-90 is a good engine and economical, and traction is acceptable, but repairs, overhauls, repairs ... I am not an engine operator, I am a manager, but with Il-96-300 / 400, Tu-204/214 / 204SM "sign" from the end of the 80s, so they have a "bottleneck" - motors ...
    2. xtur
      xtur 6 November 2015 19: 46
      +1
      > Real life has shown that now we don't need even more than 15,5 tf (for MS-21-400, MTS) on PD-14M. Nothing more is real and not projected. We have no planes for this.

      maybe I somehow misunderstand the situation, but aren’t the most lifting aircraft in the Russian Federation? ANT-124, the IL-s, being developed, long-range wide-body aircraft, announced to replace him ...
  23. bad
    bad 6 November 2015 13: 51
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir
    The first since the collapse of the USSR of its own design ... Good luck !!! good
    similarly .. good luck and success in fine-tuning and production! drinks
  24. Buffalo
    Buffalo 6 November 2015 13: 59
    +3
    On November 3rd, a visit of D.O. Rogozin to the LII named after M.M.Gromova, regarding the successful completion of the first LL flight with a new engine, PD-14.
    - Drink vodka and disturb the mess ... laughing
    I don’t know if he took place or not.
  25. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 6 November 2015 14: 23
    +4
    Quote: SSI
    Yes, God bless her, with traction ... The resource is the Achilles' heel of domestic motors ... After all, PS-90 is a good engine and economical, and traction is acceptable, but repairs, overhauls, repairs ... I am not an engine operator, I am a manager, but with Il-96-300 / 400, Tu-204/214 / 204SM "sign" from the end of the 80s, so they have a "bottleneck" - motors ...


    Yes, you meticulously noticed it.
    Just probably did not mean a resource but insecurity i.e. MTBF. Since by the actual resource they are already quite at the level of 10 years (this is not the D-30).
    The reliability of the Achilles heel. But this is the Achilles' heel of everything new and not released on the series. This issue is being addressed by technology refinement. Either with a series or a good investment in mining, which also does not guarantee anything.

    Remember the story with the same Boeing 787 dreamliners. From the beginning, the delay in deliveries was several years, then the release of several tens and then their standing on the ground for a year until the problems were fixed. Now a super successful plane.

    So PS-90 did not enter the series. although he didn’t stand on the earth for years.
    1. FID
      FID 6 November 2015 14: 47
      +3
      Yes, the idea was incorrectly stated - MTBF ... Although, the resource is small, and the frequency of severe forms (I don’t know what motorists call it), and the list of works ... It annoys a little ...
  26. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 6 November 2015 14: 30
    +4
    Quote: Engineer
    developments on NK-93 and Nk-56 resulted in the PD-14 family


    Let me be curious what kind of "developments" on Nk-56 and even more so on NK-93 "resulted in the PD-14 family"?

    Passion is so interesting.
  27. mvg
    mvg 6 November 2015 14: 51
    +2
    And we were not late with the MS-21, after the roll out of the Chinese girl? With a portfolio ordering 600 pieces? And with your own engine?
    Otherwise, regional airlines will have to buy planes by "order of the party".
    1. FID
      FID 6 November 2015 15: 12
      +1
      Even before the roll-out of the Chinese - they were 5 years late, if not more ... Again it will start, as with the superjet - to build at a loss ...
  28. Ilya77
    Ilya77 6 November 2015 15: 24
    +1
    The engine is certainly good, I saw it myself and took part, but there are problems that can drag out the series for another couple of years.
  29. Lecha57
    Lecha57 6 November 2015 15: 56
    +1
    Please do not disturb the pessimists. - The development and perfection of the engines were and will be!
  30. S-cream
    S-cream 6 November 2015 16: 43
    -1
    Where are the engines for the T-50 PAK FA ????
  31. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 6 November 2015 16: 51
    +1
    Quote: Anchonsha
    throw away the American junk in order to feel confident that you have not been deceived.

    On this Amer’s junk, the entire airborne rifle is fed - they will cling to it with their hands and teeth. This is their feeding trough. And the safety of passengers for these aviation figures is in twenty-fifth place.
  32. pvv113
    pvv113 6 November 2015 17: 24
    +1
    The plans of Kuznetsov for the coming years include an increase in production capacities and the resumption of work on the NK-32 engine (from 2016).

    That's right, NK-32 is a priority. It is necessary to update the fleet of Tu-160
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 November 2015 20: 06
      0
      NK 321 is a priority for the new gas turbine locomotive GT 01.
  33. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 November 2015 20: 30
    0
    PD-14, when it is launched, will set the technical level in terms of resource and key indicators. By draft, it just covers 80% of the needs (from 10 to 17 tons). And most importantly, there will be unification on the main nodes. This will result in both the price of the engine and its prevalence, in the end. Also, the serial PD14 will facilitate the development of other engines with a thrust of 17 tons and turboprops. The hot part is, the control automation is. And to do supermotors right away, if there is no plane now it makes no sense. The next step is to start the turboprop engine for the regionals.
  34. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 8 November 2015 11: 05
    -1
    they took a good airplane. They took someone else’s motor for testing. Have you tried the tower from the tank yet?
  35. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 9 November 2015 17: 01
    0
    Quote: xtur
    but aren’t the most lifting aircraft in the Russian Federation? ANT-124, the IL-s, being developed, long-range wide-body aircraft, announced to replace him ...


    An-124 died. Without an MO order, it cannot be revived. The Ministry of Defense has a big hole in the weapons program and without it. There is no money to revive An-124.

    Everything else is heavy and long-haul so far in the outline design and the engines for them are made but also in the outline design.