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Media: "NATO has already lost to Russia"

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NATO was taken aback by the new capabilities of the Russian armed forces, writes The Huffington Post and gives the 4 signs that indicate that the alliance "has already lost to Russia in an arms race."




“Firstly, Russia is capable of suddenly starting large-scale exercises with the participation of tens of thousands of military. NATO countries need two years of training for such maneuvers, ” RIA News opinion of the author.

For the teachings of Trident Juncture-2015, which are held in Spain, NATO has been preparing for several years. Russia also conducts such maneuvers regularly.

“Secondly, the Russian army has new technical capabilities that came as a surprise to NATO,” the newspaper writes. As an example, it cites launches of Russian cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea against targets in Syria.

“These missiles could also threaten Berlin if such ships reached the Mediterranean Sea,” the author quotes Hans Domrese, commander of NATO forces.

“Thirdly,” writes the publication, “NATO has internal differences, since the interests of the alliance’s 28 countries are too different. Some demand protection from Islamist terror, others state the need to strengthen the eastern borders. ”

The disunity of the alliance is “a huge military deficiency,” an unnamed representative told NATO. “Russians act more resolutely, flexibly and harmoniously. We should definitely work on this, ”he added.

“Fourth, NATO recognizes that in some regions it can no longer confront Russia,” writes The Huffington Post. The same Domreuse, for example, said recently that "Russia has the potential to close access to NATO for the allies in some regions."

This situation is very worried about the Alliance Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. “We need to be sure that we are able to bypass this potential, so that if necessary we can strengthen, deploy and deploy troops,” he said.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 6 November 2015 10: 11 New
    26
    It was smooth, but on paper, they forgot about the ravines.. The proverb is the most on this topic.
    Media: "NATO has already lost to Russia"
    Звучит как попытка заморочить голову и ослабить внимание. Дай Бог что бы руководство России не читало такие "СМИ".
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 6 November 2015 10: 13 New
      14
      Думаю "сюрпризов" для наших "партнеров" у России еще много в заначке! Мы предупреждали , не злите нас!
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 6 November 2015 10: 19 New
        +2
        NATO was taken aback

        "-...а если вы были готовы ко всему, даже к тому, что могут застать "врасплох", то скажи мне, Серёжа, почему вас застали "врасплох"?
        -I thought...
        What do you think, Seryozha?
        -Heads!
        -На том месте у тебя .опа!"
        (примерно, по-памати, но по-сути - диалог Михалкова с подчинёнными отбросами, х/ф "Жмурки")
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 6 November 2015 10: 51 New
          +6
          Well, here you should distinguish between the concepts of EuroNATO and the United States.
          In the article, as I understand it, we are talking about the possible superiority of the RF Armed Forces over EuroNATO. That is, today Russia is capable of (theoretically) capturing Europe. And the point here is not that Europeans are bad warriors, but that the average European’s psychological consciousness is not stable.

          I.e.
          If Russia suppose, it captures the Baltic states. In this case, a preventive measure against a probable invasion of the territory of R.F.
          How many European countries do you think will want to lay bones for democracy in the Baltic states?

          The Europeans throughout their centuries-old history, always took the side of the strong, and tried to agree with him rather than fight. The demonstration of power on one of the alliance members deprives motivation to wage a war of a whole chain of participants.
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 6 November 2015 12: 36 New
            +4
            Our advantage lies precisely in the fact that we do not need to capture anyone. Who needs to come themselves laughing And on our territory, we can’t take us, well, no matter how ... At the same time, we can still get pointwise very far from this very territory, well, this is to the extreme. NATO's strategic impasse, what's next? Expand? But potential members are homeless, thieves and drunk! Do not want. So it remains to sit and be afraid, well, let them sit. And there is something to be afraid of, especially to the citizens of those countries whose governments are pulling American nuclear weapons to themselves.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 November 2015 10: 14 New
      24
      Заговорили о "Калибре", но НАТОвцы уже стали забывать о "Искандере", а напрасно.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 6 November 2015 12: 55 New
        +3
        So it’s not the NATO members who wrote this article, but the journalists.Judge by their deeds.The rhetoric of NATO officials is extremely harsh and backed up by concrete deeds. Measures to transfer troops to Eastern Europe are proceeding as planned. A powerful, ramified structure is being created capable of accepting a large number of infantry, heavy weapons and aircraft in case of escalation. And in Syria they behave impudently and in a businesslike way. We are negotiating with our pilots about the division of zones of influence, training and armament of local field detachments. Now they are starting to pull together aviation. Our senior political leadership and the General Staff have to respond to all these aggressive actions. And as far as possible. We are stretching the front.
    3. Finches
      Finches 6 November 2015 10: 19 New
      +6
      "А-аа!Русские идут!"
      They created a clumsy and uncontrollable monster! Of the 28 members, 26 think that they will be protected, if others, that’s why the armies are so-so black holes to launder the budget, and not combat-ready armed forces! Defense Ministers are pregnant women, with a level of understanding:"Так, флажок — в музей, мальчика — на занятия!" laughing
      1. Wolka
        Wolka 6 November 2015 11: 12 New
        +2
        everything is correct, by analogy, as the house-keepers and the bear cubs say, the more locks, the easier it is to open, because each subsequent lock is imprisoned under the previous one in the hope that it will not open ...
      2. 34 region
        34 region 6 November 2015 12: 24 New
        0
        Why should they defend themselves? They were hammered into the heads of tolerance, tolerance. And then suddenly defend yourself! I'm afraid they have a pattern gap in their heads. Tolerate or defend (attack)?
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 7 November 2015 01: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Region 34
          Why should they defend themselves? They were hammered into the heads of tolerance, tolerance


          Hooray! We are defeated!
          Welcome to our city, winners!
          Hearts are open to you.
          Would you like to learn French love?
          You were brave in battle.
          And do not save today in front of the skirts.
          Go brave eagles!
          We are pleased to become submissive doves.

          Politeness is our valor!
          Obedience is our courage.
          Credibility is our banner.
          We are yours by right of war.

          How much money do you want
          How many girls do you want.
          France is all in front of you.
          Hooray! We are defeated!

          Hooray! There is a victory hour.
          Husbands defeated, lovers shot.
          There are no men except you.
          And we will fulfill everything that will be ordered by you.
          The war is over for us.
          Our women dance to your music.
          Hooray! The whole country is dancing.
          We are wonderful, we are nicely provided.

          Politeness is our valor!
          Obedience is our courage.
          Credibility is our banner.
          We are yours by right of war.
          How much money do you want
          How many girls do you want.
          France is all in front of you.
          Hooray! We are defeated!

          (Song from the movie "Rouen Maiden nicknamed Pyshka", 1989)
    4. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 6 November 2015 10: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir
      Звучит как попытка заморочить голову и попытка ослабить внимание. Дай Бог что бы руководство России не читало такие "СМИ".

      You wrote my thought to the word. I absolutely agree with you. I’ll also add from myself that the heights achieved in armament and re-equipment of the army, now it is necessary to keep or support ALWAYS. (A very difficult task, feasible only to a great power!) And well done Rogozin wholeheartedly wish him success in serving Russia.
    5. Tor5
      Tor5 6 November 2015 10: 29 New
      +2
      Если дословно перевести последнюю фразу статьи, в сухом остатке получим: "Дайте денег, и, как можно больше!".
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 6 November 2015 18: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Tor5
        Если дословно перевести последнюю фразу статьи, в сухом остатке получим: "Дайте денег, и, как можно больше!".

        So this is the whole point of what is happening
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 7 November 2015 02: 13 New
          0
          Then too:
          "Раб обзывает своего покупателя рабовладельцем!" wink

          И что? Как там в книге притчей Соломоновых, гл. 30, ст. 21-23: "От трех трясется земля, четырех она не может носить: slave when he becomes king; глупого, когда он досыта ест хлеб; позорную женщину, когда она выходит замуж, и служанку, когда она занимает место госпожи своей."
    6. Vend
      Vend 6 November 2015 10: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir
      It was smooth, but on paper, they forgot about the ravines.. The proverb is the most on this topic.
      Media: "NATO has already lost to Russia"
      Звучит как попытка заморочить голову и ослабить внимание. Дай Бог что бы руководство России не читало такие "СМИ".

      It reads and analyzes, moreover, draws conclusions by checking the data of intelligence services. NATO is a corpse that it’s time to bury and forget. But NATO members themselves must do this. When it comes to this, it is unknown.
      1. unsinkable
        unsinkable 6 November 2015 11: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        NATO is a corpse that it’s time to bury and forget. But NATO members themselves must do this. When it comes to this, it is unknown.

        I do not agree with you, colleague. NATO is most likely a wounded beast that can do many terrible things in anger. The date of the funeral is not yet visible. hi
    7. g1v2
      g1v2 6 November 2015 10: 32 New
      +2
      The plans for the rearmament of the army have been drawn up for a long time and the reading of laudatory reviews in the media will not affect them. Basically, only 2 factors influence it - import substitution, they have to adjust the state order due to the availability of foreign (primarily Ukrainian) components and finances - the budget is not rubber, and import substitution and constant training cost money.
    8. or
      or 6 November 2015 10: 52 New
      -1
      Do not forget who our president worked during the years of his military youth.
  2. avvg
    avvg 6 November 2015 10: 12 New
    +3
    In my opinion, everyone wants money to increase in the NATO treasury.
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 6 November 2015 10: 13 New
    +4
    Ну а как же "легендарные" вояки прибалдоны?!!Они постоянно проводят учения и всё грозятся усилить свои супер армии!Эстонцы например собираются купить несколько лео 2 у голландцев!Какие всё таки в нато паникёры))))
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 November 2015 10: 16 New
    0
    Zdelali, squealed!
    Nulandsha, it would be better not to go to work. Now it is definitely skewed to the end of her days!
    And there is only one left of them! bully
  5. not Russian
    not Russian 6 November 2015 10: 18 New
    +2
    NATO has one hope for the Baltic states, hehe
  6. roskot
    roskot 6 November 2015 10: 18 New
    +2
    There was nothing to collect such a coder. And now feed, arm and react with money to every peep of your shallow partners.
  7. Denis DV
    Denis DV 6 November 2015 10: 19 New
    0
    Is the Hitler Youth out of breath?
    1. Denis DV
      Denis DV 6 November 2015 14: 05 New
      0
      Minus as a statement that NATO is not a Hitler Youth? Or as a statement that NATO is not running out of steam?
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 November 2015 10: 20 New
    0
    Russia is capable of suddenly starting large-scale exercises involving tens of thousands of military personnel. NATO countries require two years of preparation for such maneuvers

    If this is true, it is very strange that NATO is still capable of carrying out some operations. After all, there are situations when immediate decision-making and the use of force are necessary.
  9. NordUral
    NordUral 6 November 2015 10: 21 New
    +6
    But to think that you can live in peace does not occur to you?
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 6 November 2015 10: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: NordUral
      But to think that you can live in peace does not occur to you?

      And what do you think: why capitalism, if you can’t rob?
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 6 November 2015 11: 13 New
      0
      Before asking your question, you also didn’t think, but what should they think? After all, instead of their heads they have a hanger for a hat, otherwise their leader would be the one. who contributes more to the general cashier. And now the EU seems to be on the verge of collapse. England is going to leave the EU again. Or did Cameron choose this method of pressure?
  10. iov
    iov 6 November 2015 10: 22 New
    0
    eh, to dissolve them already voluntarily-forcibly))))
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 November 2015 10: 23 New
    +2
    Of course, I apologize, but do they really think
    that we will fight with conventional weapons?
    Yes, there on the second or third day local use of nuclear weapons will begin.
    It is clear that we will get it, but we can simply forget about Europe.
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 6 November 2015 11: 15 New
      +1
      It was somehow alarming in my soul lately. The foes throw in foes, they want to increase military budgets. And then Marshal Taburetkin was removed ...
      But, now I am calm. There is Marshal Zomanus!
      I have served in the General Staff for the last 10 years. We don’t know each other, colleague?
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  13. Riv
    Riv 6 November 2015 10: 28 New
    +6
    Мутная какая то статья. Я не уверен, что в НАТО генералов набирают по объявлениям на столбах. "Если русские корабли выйдут в Средиземное море, то их ракеты могут угрожать Берлину." Ну не может генерал не понимать простой вещи: малые корабли могут и в Ладожское озеро выйти и оттуда не то, что по Берлину, по какому нибудь Парижу стрельнуть. Сколько в России рек? Попробуй, отличи из космоса пусковую от насыпной баржи. А если (ВНЕЗАПНО!!!) ту же самую пусковую смонтировать на железнодорожной платформе, то ее можно хоть на территорию Латвии загнать (бабло решит вопрос с таможней) и шарахнуть по супостату с территории НАТО. Сюрприз? Сюрприз...
    1. dukalis
      dukalis 6 November 2015 10: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      Мутная какая то статья. Я не уверен, что в НАТО генералов набирают по объявлениям на столбах. "Если русские корабли выйдут в Средиземное море, то их ракеты могут угрожать Берлину." Ну не может генерал не понимать простой вещи: малые корабли могут и в Ладожское озеро выйти и оттуда не то, что по Берлину, по какому нибудь Парижу стрельнуть. Сколько в России рек? Попробуй, отличи из космоса пусковую от насыпной баржи. А если (ВНЕЗАПНО!!!) ту же самую пусковую смонтировать на железнодорожной платформе, то ее можно хоть на территорию Латвии загнать (бабло решит вопрос с таможней) и шарахнуть по супостату с территории НАТО. Сюрприз? Сюрприз...

      Well, shaw trifles immediately from the lawn in front of the headquarters and shandarahnut hotel!))
    2. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 6 November 2015 10: 53 New
      +7
      А если где нибудь на трассе в Беларуси, установленный на фуре морской контейнер... контейнер превращается в элегантный... ракетный комплекс "Club-K"
      Agat Concern
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 6 November 2015 13: 26 New
        +2
        And sends sexy greetings from two charming cameramen? hi
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  14. Turkir
    Turkir 6 November 2015 10: 33 New
    +3
    Первостепенная задача НАТО напугать своих "учредителей".
    Give money, give money - a familiar motto.
  15. veksha50
    veksha50 6 November 2015 10: 33 New
    +3
    "Во-первых, Россия capable of suddenly starting large-scale exercises involving tens of thousands of military"...

    Вот это - один из наших факторов преимущества... Не имея "друзей-союзников", нам не нужно проходить кучу согласований и вываливать кучу информации в чужие штабы, их которых эта информация в момент может оказаться у противника...

    But all these NATO refrains and praises of the Russian army must be taken with caution, and we must continue to re-equip the army and navy and their constant combat training ...
  16. manguest
    manguest 6 November 2015 10: 34 New
    +1
    More than one generation of military personnel has already changed in NATO, who assessed the risks of service far below the high salary, various benefits and preferences. Option quickly everyone will move east with real chances to return with luggage, I think it’s not very popular.
  17. PROVINCIAL
    PROVINCIAL 6 November 2015 10: 36 New
    +3
    Сейчас в западных СМИ настоящий бум про то что Россия сильна как никогда ,давайте не будем обольщаться -это всего-то лишний повод поднять военные бюджеты стран"партнёров"(заинтересованных частных лиц),ВС России восстанавливаются медленно но верно, МЫ уже не пешки,но ещё и не ферзи - если оценивать военно-политическую обстановку в мире как шахматную доску.
    1. 8982795roman
      8982795roman 7 November 2015 09: 12 New
      0
      Russia's task is not to box with NATO, but to constantly clinch it and not to allow action
  18. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 6 November 2015 10: 38 New
    +4
    They hesitated to praise the praises of the Russian army. If we are not scolded, but praised, it is worth considering. Even if it is deserved.
    Work and work yet. I do not belittle the deserved successes of our military, but just try to take a sober look at things:
    1. Suddenly starting exercises is easier to start with one army, NATO members need to coordinate them. Almost international negotiations.
    2. New technical capabilities have appeared - all right, a new weapon is changing the capabilities of our army, increasing its effectiveness at times. ...these missiles could threaten Berlin if such ships entered the Mediterranean Sea... Yeah, but remember that now almost any warship with these missiles can go to the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean - you go into the Black Sea with axes on board.
    3.... the interests of 28 alliance countries are too diverse ... But their 28 countries and not all of them are Estonians and Lithuanians.
    4.NATO admits that in a number of regions it can no longer confront Russia. This is very good, but how many more regions, where so far, unfortunately, our army cannot reach ...
  19. solovey
    solovey 6 November 2015 10: 39 New
    -2
    RUSSIANS have never lost a war - even in the most difficult times !!!!
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 6 November 2015 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: solovey
      RUSSIAN never lost a war

      Крымская, русско-японская, "вторая Отечественная"... за 70 лет даже три раза.
      1. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 6 November 2015 12: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: V.ic
        Крымская, русско-японская, "вторая Отечественная"... за 70 лет даже три раза


        А причем "вторая отечественная"? Что за три поражения за 70лет? Афганистан??? Может быть...

        А как, Вы называете "второй Отечественной" Великую Отечественную войну, так 9 мая мы будем отмечать как раз 70-летие ПОБЕДЫ, а не поражения, в этой жесточайшей битве.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 6 November 2015 15: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: evge-malyshev
          А как, Вы называете "второй Отечественной" Великую Отечественную войну

          Первая была в 1812, вторая в 1914-1917. Надо было бы Вам быть внимательней и обратить внимание на "кавычки" в упомянутом названии.
      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 6 November 2015 12: 44 New
        0
        Quote: V.ic
        Крымская, русско-японская, "вторая Отечественная"... за 70 лет даже три раза


        А причем "вторая отечественная"? Что за три поражения за 70лет? Афганистан??? Может быть...

        А как, Вы называете "второй Отечественной" Великую Отечественную войну, так 9 мая мы будем отмечать как раз 70-летие ПОБЕДЫ, а не поражения, в этой жесточайшей битве.
  20. fleks
    fleks 6 November 2015 10: 39 New
    +1
    The Huffington Post /////
    Is it a joke or a blot? I do not understand guys
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  21. Ledorub
    Ledorub 6 November 2015 11: 46 New
    +4
    Вообще не понимаю, что так беспокоятся господа генералы. Есть же "доблестная самая крутая в Европе" украинская армия, которая штабелями укладывает российские батальоны в пределах Донбасса. Причем практически без оружия, одной силой мысли. Главное туда побольше бухла и спайса засылать и они все сами сделают, и даже до Урала дойдут дня через три. Синий фельдмаршал Манштейн, тьфу блин, Ванштейн,да тьфу блин, Вальцман так сам и говорит, что они в одиночку спасают Европу от российской агрессии. Так что, господа натовские генералы, вы за ними как за стеной имени Яйцонюка. Причем на халяву - оружие вы им не даете, денег тоже, в НАТО не принимаете. Лафа!
    So, gentlemen generals, get comfortable at the computer, climb into some Ukrainian site and enjoy the defeat of Russia. Just don’t look out the window, there some migrants are driving your family out of the house, but it’s not as scary as the Russian threat.
  22. PValery53
    PValery53 6 November 2015 14: 52 New
    -1
    If NATO and America already (in peacetime) cannot resist Russian power, then it is time to think about unconditional surrender. John, Hans, Henry! Surrender to Russian Ivan!
  23. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 15: 51 New
    0
    This situation is very worried about the Alliance Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. “We need to be sure that we are able to bypass this potential, so that if necessary we can strengthen, deploy and deploy troops,” he said.

    Абсолютно нормальная позиция человека отстаивающего интересы корпораций производящих вооружение. С начала 21 века доходы последних значительно снизились, во многом по причине уменьшения военных бюджетов всех стран альянса без исключения. Продажа вооружений третьим странам не компенсировала потери доходов, это хорошо видно на примере тех же индийских тендеров по легкому истребителю. В нашей прессе он освещался достаточно однобоко и лишь в вопросе его проигрыша (тендера) нами, в реальности тендер окружен многочисленными скандалами и "разборками" среди его участников, за него НАТОвские партнеры бились между собой всеми доступными способами, не гнушаясь ни чем, так как он был крупнейшим в финансовом плане в текущем веке. А так как оружейный бизнес задействует прямо и аффилированно, по данным журнала "Национальный интерес", до 1.5 миллиона работников только в Европе, то в его развитии заинтересованы не только владельцы оружейных фирм но и правящие политические круги, как в факторе обеспечения высоко оплачиваемых рабочих мест. И вот в этой ситуации "вдруг" Россия "показала мышцу", естественно этим моментально воспользовались оружейные корпорации, отсюда и риторика Столтенберга и стенания американских командующих. В большей степени они лоббируют интересы оружейников. По этому воспринимать подобные высказывания надо аккуратно, без уря-патриотичного шапкозакидательства.

    Such a subjective opinion, Dear colleagues. hi
  24. Maksus
    Maksus 6 November 2015 16: 54 New
    +1
    Do not forget about the most important thing, about the LANGUAGE! Our army, EVERYTHING, from an ordinary to a general, speaks Russian, someone is better, someone is worse, but IN RUSSIAN! And NATO speaks different languages, in battle it may be worth the time it takes to translate. After all, English household and military are very different things, a lot of slang, different even for an American and an Englishman, for the rest - generally incomprehensible.
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 6 November 2015 16: 55 New
    +3
    “These missiles could also threaten Berlin if such ships reached the Mediterranean,” quotes author of the NATO forces commander Hans Domreuse

    It’s not necessary to drive ships - from Kaliningrad to Berlin is much closer
  26. Marconi41
    Marconi41 7 November 2015 04: 38 New
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    How little we need to fall into euphoria!
    1. "Нанесен удар по Сирии Калибрами" Ураааа! Ну и сколько у нас тех "Калибров"? Больше чем НАТОвских "топоров"???
    2. "Наши ВКС сделали более тысячи боевых вылетов!" Урааа! А далеко ли продвинулись при этом сирийские войска? Сколько было уничтожено террористов?
    3. "Наша армия усиленно перевооружается!" Урааа! Ну прокатитесь в Сибирь и на ДВ, посмотрите, что пользует там наша армия и как экипирована.

    Of course, we have changes for the better, but work is still unmeasured! And all this foreign writing, just knocking out money for defense from their countries.
  27. iAi
    iAi 25 November 2015 17: 58 New
    0
    Cool down. The main blow against Russia was inflicted not on Russia itself, but on its periphery - to neighboring countries: Ukraine, the Baltic states, Moldova.
    The victory of anti-Russian politics is OBVIOUS in them.