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K 2020 g Russian military will receive small nuclear power plants

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A prototype of a small-sized nuclear power plant on a wheeled or toboggan platform is planned to be created by 2020 g, TASS a message from the general director of the Engineering Company of Innovative Projects, Yury Konyushko.


Low-power mobile nuclear power plant “Object 27” or TPP-3, created in the USSR in 1961 on a heavy platform tank.

“The Minister of Defense gave the command to make a pilot project of low-power nuclear power plants in the interests of the Ministry of Defense. The project is already underway and is at the stage of research and development (R & D), ”said Konyushko.

“Preliminary data on the project should be submitted to the military department by the end of the year,” Konyushko specified. - Then, according to the procedure, we are entering a full-fledged R & D project, which will end with a technical project, this is a year or two. Then we go out on the experimental design work and the manufacture of a prototype. We have to submit it in four to five years, that is, to 2020 year. "

According to him, it is also necessary to prepare mass production for 2020, since now "there is no production base that would serially produce these things."

The general director did not disclose any characteristics of the station under development. He only noted that “the installations will be created according to the modular principle and, depending on the size and power, they will be placed on the MAZ or KamAZ wheeled chassis, and on sleds in the Arctic conditions”.

“At first, such facilities need at least 30 for the regions of the Far North, the Arctic archipelago. They can be delivered to their home base by airplanes or helicopters, ”said Konyushko.

“These autonomous systems are designed for many years of work without the involvement of numerous personnel for maintenance. At the same time, data from such stations will be transmitted to control panels via satellites, ”he added.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 5 November 2015 17: 21 New
    +75
    This is really cool !!! good
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas, and if wisely then in peace, in the first place. If minimization of a nuclear installation really reaches such proportions belay (sorry for the paradox) then this is just an unprecedented breakthrough. fellow
    Of course, there will be a special chic if a fast neutron reactor is put there ... Well, I already dreamed about it ... laughing
    1. just exp
      just exp 5 November 2015 17: 23 New
      +44
      for peaceful 10 years ago, they wanted to make a floating nuclear power plant, they didn’t do a damn, but it would have been useful in the Crimea.
      and about this one, they were already discussing in another forum that the thing is good, but it will be necessary to cover anyway.
      1. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 5 November 2015 17: 26 New
        -12
        In Crimea, nuclear energy cannot be in any form. What are some international rules.
        1. just exp
          just exp 5 November 2015 17: 36 New
          +9
          Well, actually, under the USSR, they even began to build nuclear power plants, I talked about the nuclear power plant where later Kazantip was dancing (it was not completed because the seismic hazard was underestimated and there were still four).
          and the one that I had in mind is floating, and is not located on the territory of Crimea.
          PS and what is the truth about it? I haven’t heard anything like this, share the information, and from all that I dug up, this is what our plans for the construction of a nuclear power plant in Crimea this year were
          1. Vladimyrych
            Vladimyrych 5 November 2015 17: 40 New
            +15
            I’m probably still confusing calls at the World Cup of nuclear submarines ... Guilty ...
            1. arane
              arane 5 November 2015 17: 48 New
              +18
              Quote: Vladimir
              I’m probably still confusing calls at the World Cup of nuclear submarines ... Guilty ...

              Not only boats, all ships and vessels with nuclear power plants are prohibited in the World Cup
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              3. Eugene-Eugene
                Eugene-Eugene 5 November 2015 19: 40 New
                +9
                Vladimirrych: If the minimization of an atomic installation really reaches such a scale ... then this is simply not a visible breakthrough.

                Here we need to clarify - this will be a breakthrough for Russia:
                Curiosity Rover (899 kg mass): "The 100 W power supply subsystem is based on a radioisotope thermoelectric generator using the decomposition process of plutonium-238 dioxide with a total mass of 4,8 kg as an energy source."

                just explo: for peaceful 10 years ago, they wanted to make a floating nuclear power plant back;

                APP "Akademik Lomonosov" is already under construction, will be ready for 2018. Only it will not go to the Crimea
                1. xtur
                  xtur 5 November 2015 20: 17 New
                  +11
                  > Here you need to clarify-this will be a breakthrough for Russia

                  it really needs to be clarified here - all developed countries used such official installations in space. There is another fuel, and a way to generate electricity.

                  And the systems that are discussed in the article are most likely based on ordinary enriched uranium. The minimum size of the reactor is determined by its critical size (and the thickness of the biosecurity required), and it is very small.

                  only security problems did not give such a start to life.
                  1. proletarian
                    proletarian 5 November 2015 23: 17 New
                    +3
                    If the development data had not been "buried" in the 60s, everything would have worked for a long time, but as they say: If only .... but so hope for the best.
                    1. alex86
                      alex86 8 November 2015 20: 13 New
                      0
                      In 61, the mobile nuclear power plant TES-3 was created, even in the Children's Encyclopedia I remember it.
                  2. Down House
                    Down House 6 November 2015 13: 02 New
                    +2
                    Quote: xtur
                    such formal installations all developed countries used in space.

                    Not all and not quite like that.
                    In general, there is a difference between comic and earth technologies at the very least today - for example, in the cost of nuclear power plants.
                2. Izotovp
                  Izotovp 5 November 2015 20: 38 New
                  +14
                  The power system for the American Mars rover is based on our "Topaz", which was successfully sold during perestroika. As well as developments on its development.
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 5 November 2015 21: 30 New
                    0
                    Quote: Izotovp
                    The power system for the American Mars rover is based on our "Topaz", which was successfully sold during perestroika. As well as developments on its development.

                    The Voyagers launched in 1977 also have isotopic power units. And who then “successfully sold” or did the Americans do it all the same? wink
                    1. Izotovp
                      Izotovp 5 November 2015 23: 35 New
                      +2
                      Our reactors were better, and in order not to invest in the development of our own, it turned out to be easier and cheaper to get ours.
                      1. Bayonet
                        Bayonet 6 November 2015 09: 47 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Izotovp
                        Our reactors were better, and in order not to invest in the development of our own, it turned out to be easier and cheaper to get ours.

                        The fact that we invented the wheel I do not argue is useless. But what about this - American radioisotope generators: NAP-100, SNAP-1A, SNAP-2, SNAP-3, SNAP-3A1, SNAP-7-D, SNAP-7-E, SNAP-8, SNAP-10- A, SNAP-11, SNAP-50, SNAP-9, SNAP-19, SNAP-21, SNAP-23, SNAP-25, SNAP-27, SNAP-29, Stirling Radioisotope Generator (SRG), etc.
                      2. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 11: 50 New
                        +5
                        You can also list the entire considerable range of American rocket engines ... But the fact remains - for their Antares they buy Soviet ones that are in our warehouses!
                        And what about this?)))
                      3. Bayonet
                        Bayonet 7 November 2015 08: 20 New
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        And what about this?)))

                        No way, calmly. They don’t yell at every corner about what we buy from them. And do not burst with pride.
                      4. Foxmara
                        Foxmara 11 November 2015 16: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: Bayonet
                        They don’t yell at every corner about what we buy from them. And do not burst with pride.

                        As for the latter, this is not true. Burst, but on a completely different occasion.
                        "- Who has been yelling" Yarmolnik genius actor "under the windows of the hotel all night? !!!
                        ...
                        - Well ... Yarmolnik, probably ... "

                        Excuse me, who was tearing that they are an exclusive nation and, therefore, a military for all of us?
                        Well, the fact that they do not tell everyone what they sell to us, so everything can be quite simple - THEY DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS. http://www.langust.ru/review/xeno-us1.shtml Many Americans do not distinguish the Leaning Tower of Pisa from the Eiffel Tower, and many do not know that there are other countries at all))
                  2. dudinets
                    dudinets 6 November 2015 17: 21 New
                    +7
                    we also had similar ones: fed lighthouses and polar stations. but they were rather batteries, they did not have a reactor and a steam generator and turbines with an electric generator. and then a full-fledged nuclear power plant, and moreover, a mobile one. Here is no such and there was no one.
              4. mcsimcsim
                mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 15: 25 New
                0
                You wrote in Russian what and why they sold it.
                And you distort.
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 5 November 2015 21: 26 New
            +11
            "The 100 W power subsystem is based on a radioisotope thermoelectric generator that uses plutonium-238 dioxide decay process with a total weight of 4,8 kg as an energy source."


            This is not a mini nuclear power plant, but rather a battery. As a device, if I am not mistaken, it was patented in the 40th year! It was used by the USSR and, accordingly, by Russia in different versions.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 5 November 2015 21: 33 New
              +2
              This is not a mini nuclear power plant, but rather a battery

              The principle is the same as at nuclear power plants. The decay of plutonium gives heat, they put a thermocouple there, and that's what the electricity is. Few, but it works for years and regardless of the environment.
              By the way, not only electricity is taken from the RTG, it also heats the equipment there.
            2. Aleksandr1959
              Aleksandr1959 5 November 2015 23: 06 New
              +2
              For more than 20 years, the theme of direct conversion of nuclear energy into electrical energy has been developed at the Physics and Energy Institute (IPPE) (Obninsk). But, in general, mobile nuclear power plants are the theme of the FEI since the times of the USSR.
          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 5 November 2015 21: 40 New
            +3
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene

            FNPP "Academician Lomonosov" is already under construction, will be ready by 2018
            Sevmash began construction of the first station, called the Academician Lomonosov, back in 2007. According to the latest promises, they are threatening to turn in in September 2016.
          4. fzr1000
            fzr1000 5 November 2015 21: 43 New
            +4
            On Mars, unlike Earth, one does not need to think about the strong radiation safety of the device.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 6 November 2015 10: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: fzr1000
              On Mars, unlike Earth, one does not need to think about the strong radiation safety of the device.

              Thinking about this is never harmful, especially if we intend to master Mars in the future.
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 11: 57 New
                0
                Especially when you consider the level of radiation on the surface of Mars ...
                1. Eugene-Eugene
                  Eugene-Eugene 6 November 2015 14: 56 New
                  0
                  It’s not about radiation, but about electrostatic dust. Technologically, this problem has already been solved - to divert buildings below the surface.
          5. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 25 New
            +4
            Did radar spy satellites made in the USSR work on wood?
          6. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 25 New
            0
            Did radar spy satellites made in the USSR work on wood?
          7. Old old
            Old old 5 November 2015 23: 56 New
            +12
            Here you need to clarify - this will be a breakthrough for Russia

            “RTGs were used in navigation beacons, radio beacons, weather stations and similar equipment installed in areas where, for technical or economic reasons, it is not possible to use other power sources. In particular, in the USSR they were used as power sources for navigation equipment installed on the Arctic coast of the ocean along the Northern Sea Route. At present, due to the risk of leakage of radiation and radioactive materials, the practice of installing maintenance-free RTGs in inaccessible places has been stopped. "
            GOST 18696-90 “Radionuclide thermoelectric generators. Types and general specifications. ” and GOST 20250-83 “Radionuclide thermoelectric generators. Acceptance rules and test methods. "Wikipedia

            Do not slander the country under the flag of which you visited the site.
          8. Susul
            Susul 6 November 2015 08: 47 New
            +1
            C'mon, the USSR launched nuclear power plants from the 70s into space, and the Romashka reactor began to be developed on a par with the Americans, but BES-5 Buk flew into space

            But land-based reactors of industrial capacity have not yet been built. Although not a few bold projects were announced, what does the Chrysler TV-8 tank cost?
          9. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 6 November 2015 09: 24 New
            +4
            The Martians for this contraption of Americans force punts to counter. Because the compact nuclear generator is not the slightest problem, today it’s just a laugh, not an achievement. Here is the protection and safety of such a generator, manufacturability, maintainability ... all that the Americans on the Mars rover did not pay any attention to, this is serious.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 6 November 2015 14: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Mikhail3
              The Martians for this contraption of Americans force punts to counter. Because the compact nuclear generator is not the slightest problem, today it’s just a laugh, not an achievement. Here is the protection and safety of such a generator, manufacturability, maintainability ... all that the Americans on the Mars rover did not pay any attention to, this is serious.


              There are no Americans for Martians. There are earthlings for them. earthmen, they will contrive. :)
          10. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 11: 44 New
            +2
            So this is not a reactor, this is a "battery" ...
          11. ARS56
            ARS56 6 November 2015 14: 32 New
            +4
            Nevertheless, low-power isotopic and powerful nuclear power plants are not exactly the same thing. For Russia, isotope sources are not a “breakthrough”. This is a long gone stage.
            The article is about powerful mobile nuclear power plants that produce hundreds of kilowatts of energy, and not the Curiosity level (1 light bulb).
          12. Foxmara
            Foxmara 6 November 2015 17: 37 New
            -1
            Ours in space were the first in this matter, you just are not in the subject. Our communications satellites used atomic sources, they did so because the panel power was not enough, but the Yankees could not repeat for a long time, until we gave them our Yenisei for reconstruction.
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 7 November 2015 00: 10 New
              0
              C'mon .. Yenisei bent by himself, although he worked after perestroika ..
          13. mcsimcsim
            mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 15: 21 New
            +1
            Obviously, you are incompetent in the matter of radioisotope sources and their use in the USSR and Russia (in particular, on spacecraft).
            Therefore, leave your comment to yourself, and henceforth do not make your heresy publicly visible.
        2. the most important
          the most important 5 November 2015 22: 49 New
          0
          And if the installation is so small, what prevents ships from having two engines ?? It is necessary to the Black Sea - removed in Tartus, left it - set .. and ALL the oceans are open !!! As an option for the Black Sea Fleet.
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 26 New
            +1
            There is no place on warships.
        3. Old old
          Old old 5 November 2015 23: 39 New
          0
          Not only boats, all ships and vessels with nuclear power plants are prohibited in the World Cup

          And does this apply to the Black Sea states?
        4. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 11: 43 New
          0
          How were they going to build an aircraft carrier with nuclear power plants?
      2. skrabplus.ru
        skrabplus.ru 6 November 2015 13: 19 New
        -2
        It seems like a nuclear submarine fleet is not reported where to go
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 6 November 2015 17: 46 New
          +2
          so it may be so, but the World Cup is too small, there to detect submarines - just spit. Therefore, it makes no sense to drive there. Because there are all sorts of Warsaw)
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 5 November 2015 17: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: just EXPL
      seismic hazard underestimated



      Hmm ... But what about the Japanese, who built and are building a nuclear power plant on their seismically dangerous island ???
      1. kashtak
        kashtak 5 November 2015 18: 34 New
        +9
        Quote: veksha50
        Hmm ... But what about the Japanese, who built and are building a nuclear power plant on their seismically dangerous island ???

        and you ask the inhabitants of such a Fukushima province what they think about the great prospects of nuclear power plants. they will tell you themselves. colorful and popular. and maybe manually angry belay
        1. Down House
          Down House 6 November 2015 13: 05 New
          0
          Quote: kashtak
          and you ask the inhabitants of such a Fukushima province what they think about the great prospects of nuclear power plants.

          And you can ask those who got into an accident about what they think about cars.
          Your logic is all about nothing!
      2. 34 region
        34 region 5 November 2015 18: 54 New
        +9
        So the Americans guaranteed them the safety of nuclear power plants.
        1. kashtak
          kashtak 5 November 2015 20: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: 34 region
          So the Americans guaranteed them the safety of nuclear power plants.

          and what are the guarantees?
          1. Russian Uzbek
            Russian Uzbek 5 November 2015 20: 40 New
            +7
            gentleman's word of honor
    3. Drёma
      Drёma 6 November 2015 01: 00 New
      0
      Not so much seismic hazard as Chernobyl - general (not only in Crimea)
      freezing projects, including due to lack of funding.
      My classmate even got an apartment in Shchelkino, but I didn’t have to work.
      There was money - they returned to almost all projects, but ...
      and in the Crimea, and even in the Lower - the projects were closed.
    4. Alexxeg73
      Alexxeg73 6 November 2015 08: 58 New
      +1
      In Crimea, the construction of two heat plants is in full swing. stations. So there will be no need for a nuclear power plant.
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 6 November 2015 10: 18 New
        0
        .... In Crimea, the construction of two tepel is in full swing. stations. ...

        ... As for the full speed, you got excited ..... Even I do not observe .... lol
    5. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 6 November 2015 10: 13 New
      0
      ..... I'm talking about the nuclear power plant where later Kazantip danced (unfinished because the seismic hazard was underestimated and there was still a couple) ...

      .... In addition to seismic hazard, karst cavities are very often found in soils .... When they started to build (in the Crimea) they did not notice, and then it was revealed that there were a lot of underground karst cavities in the construction site .... In general, this is one of the reasons building frosts .... In general, building a nuclear power plant in Crimea is a bad idea .... (both seismic and karsts) .... Crimea is the former bottom of the ancient sea ... hi
    6. Patton5
      Patton5 6 November 2015 12: 59 New
      +1
      (unfinished because the seismic hazard was underestimated and there was still a couple).
      They didn’t finish it because it crashed in Chernobyl ... there was a tantrum then, and hid the hunchbacked construction site!
  2. atalef
    atalef 5 November 2015 18: 06 New
    +8
    Quote: Vladimir
    In Crimea, nuclear energy cannot be in any form. Some international rules

    There are no rules in this regard, and the Crimea began to build the Crimean nuclear power plant. simply because of the reactor of the same type with Chernobyl. First, the construction site was frozen. and then abandoned.
    1. i80186
      i80186 5 November 2015 18: 15 New
      +8
      Quote: atalef
      There are no rules in this regard, and the Crimea began to build the Crimean nuclear power plant. simply because of the reactor of the same type with Chernobyl. First, the construction site was frozen. and then abandoned.

      No, the Crimean NPP was built under VVER-1000. smile
    2. zennon
      zennon 5 November 2015 19: 30 New
      +10
      Quote: atalef
      in the Crimea began to build the Crimean nuclear power plant. simply because of the reactor of the same type with Chernobyl.

      Don’t talk nonsense! 2 VVER-1000 reactors (Water-Water Energy Reactor) were built at the Crimean NPP. The first was 80% ready and the second 18% ready. Four RBMK-4 reactors (Channel Reactor High Power) in Chernobyl. Of course Chernobyl influenced, but the main thing was that by the end of the 1000s, as a result of the “perestroika”, her mother, the country simply ran out of money. In 80, they closed the construction site and began to take the station away ...
  3. figwam
    figwam 5 November 2015 18: 24 New
    -3
    Quote: Vladimir
    In Crimea, nuclear energy cannot be in any form. What are some international rules.

    But doesn’t it seem to you that it is very dangerous not only in the Crimea, terrorists will only hit these objects, I would not want such installations to be near cities.
  4. Homo
    Homo 5 November 2015 19: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    In Crimea, nuclear energy cannot be in any form. What are some international rules.

    There are no contracts or rules. Turkey does not allow floating nuclear power plants in the Crimea.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 5 November 2015 20: 42 New
      +1
      Turkey does not give a pass, but to build something in the Crimea or bring something to the World Cup with the atomic can be done internally. Just the point in a ship with a nuclear power plant in this puddle ?!
      An interesting story was when our Kuznetsov was distilled from there))))
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 31 New
    +25
    for peaceful 10 years ago, they wanted to make a floating nuclear power plant back;

    Actually, they’re already doing it. Photo for February 2015.
    1. just exp
      just exp 5 November 2015 17: 36 New
      +2
      damn it, I read about it back in 2006. how long.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 38 New
        +4
        how long.

        Designed for a long time. But it seems that reactor vessels are already being taken there. So in a couple of years they will launch.
      2. officer29
        officer29 5 November 2015 22: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: just EXPL
        I read about it back in 2006. how long.

        The development of floating nuclear power plants began in the late 60s of the last century! And the first publications were already in the journals "science and life" and "Technology - youth" in the 70s. And in the early 80s, when he was serving urgently in the South Ossetian Army, at the headquarters of the division he saw posters with the stamp "secretly" from a mobile mini-nuclear power plant ... So the idea is not new. hi
    2. Temples
      Temples 5 November 2015 17: 38 New
      +5
      Such a cottage.
      In the greenhouse, you can grow bananas!

      In fact, this is of course a breakthrough!
      That's just the safety you need to provide.
      This is not a diesel on wheels. If you crave a little it will not seem.
      Terrorists Tueva Hucha divorced.
      1. kashtak
        kashtak 5 November 2015 18: 46 New
        -11
        Quote: Temples
        Such a cottage.
        In the greenhouse, you can grow bananas!

        and you should put radioactive waste under the bed. at the same time there will be no mosquitoes. I understand the nuclear shield. I understand isotopes in medicine. but I don’t understand nuclear energy anymore. and I’ll never understand such a small one. he who says that a nuclear power plant can be safe, energy from it is cheap, and useful radiation is impudently lying. dot. said the truth can minus.
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp 5 November 2015 20: 44 New
          +3
          Let's just say that this is not all. Energy is actually much cheaper and greener. It just requires more investment and qualifications.
          1. kashtak
            kashtak 5 November 2015 22: 43 New
            -2
            Dear, tell this to the residents of Muslumovo. we already have one trace near Chelyabinsk.
            1. Izotovp
              Izotovp 5 November 2015 23: 39 New
              +5
              I know very well about this. And in the vicinity of Kopeisk was more than once. Once again I’m talking about the level of qualification and scientific research. Do you think there is little dirt from coal, including radioactive? Tell this to people who live in coal mines and at coal-fired power plants.
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 5 November 2015 23: 53 New
                +12
                Well, yes .. At the usual railway crossing leading to the coal KrasTETs (Krasnoyarsk), the sound is cooler than in the two closed cities of Rosatom, located nearby ..)) Nobody talks about this .. Twice a day they take the coal through the crossing to boiler room .. Total business .. And nearby is the largest market in Krasnoyarsk. Russian-Chinese flea market "Krastets", on which are hung carpets, down jackets and other clothes, regularly sprinkled with life-giving ashes from a four-pipe coal monster ..)) And may the blessed be with us ..))
                1. Izotovp
                  Izotovp 6 November 2015 00: 36 New
                  +3
                  By the way, I have a nearby Leningrad NPP and everything is fine (pah-pah-pah)))), and the ecology-crazy neighbors-Finns also do not complain about the NPP built by them by our specialists in Soviet times.
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 6 November 2015 13: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: Izotovp
                    I have near Leningrad NPP and somehow everything is fine

                    We have here too, even in Moscow itself there are operating reactors and in the vicinity and all the pah-pah-pah 95% of the population of Moscow do not even know about them fellow
                2. mcsimcsim
                  mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 15: 34 New
                  +1
                  radon (through "a") is a gas.
                  the ashes of radon - this is very much said.
                  Obviously, like everything else in your post.
                  1. Dikson
                    Dikson 8 November 2015 10: 03 New
                    0
                    I wrote "life-giving ashes" .. and not the ashes of radon, forgive me .. And the fact that coal is often quite fonit - I didn’t come up with. The measurements in the Krastets region were by no means carried out by amateurs, but by experts in monitoring the situation around the closed cities of Rosatom .. And, by the way, about such a thing as radon tablets,
                    You did not hear? )))
          2. Down House
            Down House 6 November 2015 13: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Izotovp
            It just requires more investment and qualifications.

            Yeah, it is insanely expensive at the construction stage and very cheap during operation, and it is much safer for nature than some “alarmists” think.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 5 November 2015 21: 53 New
          +10
          Quote: kashtak
          and put radioactive waste under your bed

          No, not under the bed. Repair of the station and refueling will be carried out in the conditions of the specialized enterprises for the technological servicing of nuclear ships existing in our country, which have the necessary equipment and qualified personnel.
          After 40 years of operation, the power unit will be replaced by a new one, while the old one will be returned to a specialized technological enterprise for disposal. Both in the process and after the completion of the operation of the floating APEC, no environmentally hazardous substances and materials remain at the place of its operation (the principle of "green lawn")
          1. kashtak
            kashtak 5 November 2015 22: 38 New
            -4
            Quote: Bayonet
            Both in the process and after the completion of the operation of the floating APEC, no environmentally hazardous substances and materials remain at the place of its operation (the principle of "green lawn")

            everything dangerous will go to a nuclear repository. where you need to spend and spend on it. and this is ideal, which is not always the case. Did you find this? we in the Urals, only an overgrown lighthouse with Karachay and Tech is not enough. the problem can and should be solved easier. an atom is needed where it is indispensable. in any case, agree more logical to develop the technique in the direction of saving e \ energy a, not to extensively increase production. with respect.
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 32 New
              +5
              There, you started using closed-loop fast neutron reactors, so the repositories will soon become a very profitable fuel source for new reactors. And you will be swinging and pumping from these cemeteries! winked
            2. asiat_61
              asiat_61 6 November 2015 05: 11 New
              +2
              There is such a thing, called; cold thermonuclear fusion. Here, with the help of this thing, any nuclear weapons can be easily utilized. From one cubic meter of rock, you can get such an amount of aluminum that it will be enough for all earthlings for a year. But it is impossible to create a nuclear chemical nuclear weapon. Works in the USSR began in the 60s. then they buried, in the 2000s they tried to renew, and again buried. Question: WHY? There is no answer, as it were.
              1. Susul
                Susul 6 November 2015 08: 58 New
                0
                So this business seems to have been brought to the international level?
                See the operating conditions of the reactor such that so far there are no materials for its creation or plasma retention
                1. mcsimcsim
                  mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 15: 49 New
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                  The problem is not in the materials. No known material can withstand plasma temperatures in a fusion reactor. For this, the plasma is held by magnetic fields so that it does not come into contact with the material of the walls of the reactor. The problem is that plasma is a substance with a complex structure and behavior; it is extremely difficult (if at all possible) to build adequate mathematical models to describe its behavior and, therefore, to control plasma in a reactor.
              2. mav1971
                mav1971 6 November 2015 14: 25 New
                0
                Quote: asiat_61
                Question: WHY? There is no answer, as it were.

                Patamuchta! :)

                But seriously - the technology is unattainable for another couple of decades. This is according to the most optimistic forecasts.
              3. mcsimcsim
                mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 15: 46 New
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                Why is there an answer?
                It is simple (according to your logic): everything around us does not understand anything either in the nuclear forces or in the energy sector in general ...
            3. Down House
              Down House 6 November 2015 13: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: kashtak
              everything dangerous will go to the nuclear repository ....... did you find this?

              And they calculated how you will "recycle" harmful emissions from all kinds of coal-fired thermal power plants and the like ?!
            4. mcsimcsim
              mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 15: 42 New
              0
              Do you understand what you're talking about?
              save on heating (for example) - warm yourself in a 30-degree frost from a 100-watt light bulb, even while in a thermos.
              how much time will you “warm up” like that, don’t you count?

              about “more logical to develop” - this is understandable without you, but for some reason it’s not very often possible to make equipment that consumes several watts instead of kilowatts.
              you feel the logic of the “experts” of the same “80th level” - write more!
          2. kashtak
            kashtak 5 November 2015 22: 48 New
            -2
            By the way, are you aware that the Lighthouse is still dumping liquid waste into an open cascade?
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 5 November 2015 23: 56 New
              0
              What's the truth ?? To be honest - I hardly believe it .. Technology has changed a long time ago ..
            2. mcsimcsim
              mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 15: 55 New
              0
              Even if it discards (you are an expert?), The question is what kind of activity is the waste. With low activity, this will practically not affect anything.

              In general, one more comment in the format "you know, but they are all - and-dots." If you live in a world where all the i-diots are, then maybe something is wrong with the world, but with you?
        3. srha
          srha 6 November 2015 08: 48 New
          +3
          Hee, dear, have you heard about the banana equivalent? You have not eaten bananas, berries, mushrooms, milk, etc. for a long time?

          Have you heard about tourism on the Bikini Atoll? "In 1954, four years after testing the hydrogen bomb on the Bikini Atoll, scientists who examined the 1 km long crater formed after the explosion found completely different from the water than they intended to see: instead of lifeless space, large corals 30 meter high bloomed in the crater and with a trunk diameter of about 368 cm, many fish swam - the underwater ecosystem was completely restored. " http://www.clubcrocodile.ru/tours/tour_XNUMX

          And if scientifically, then they would take and calculate the natural radioactivity of the earth's crust and the contribution to it artificial, as well as their general dynamics over 50 years.

          And in general, maybe you don’t know, but - the faster and more radioactive elements burn out in reactors, the less they remain on Earth, the cleaner the Earth becomes in a radioactive sense.

          By the way, do not think what kind of pollution I am. I am for a reasonable, that is, an analyzed rather than an exalted application.

          By the way, 2, they say that the technology of mining and burning coal emits r / a elements into the air more than all nuclear energy - I can’t say for sure how much this is true. But, for example, about Urtuisk coals: “When burning complex coals of the 3rd grade, the resulting ash and slag have activity in which their use is unacceptable for construction purposes [6].
          Until 1995, 750 thousand tons of 3rd grade coal were stockpiled in special dumps with cover of their surface with inert material from overburden. When burning this coal, more than 100 thousand tons of ash and slag could be formed. Such material is classified as low radioactive waste requiring special storage (disposal) conditions". http://www.proatom.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=4326

          Do you know how much coal you need to spend to produce 1 kW * hour of solar panels? Three times more than if produced directly from coal. That is why their electricity is more expensive, which is why they are mainly used in developed countries, which have the ability to attribute increased costs to underdeveloped ones.

          And more practice. One lady, in a blog of my provincial periodical, boasted of how economical she was, that her husband put solar panels in her mansion and now she does not pay for electric energy. True, after all, they still found out that they spent the installation amount allowing them to pay for the consumed electric energy two hundred years ahead, not counting the current operating costs. And there, after all, there is a battery replacement every 10 years, and burning electronics, and hailstones striking these batteries once every ten years ...
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 6 November 2015 23: 46 New
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            Coal fonit so that environmentalists just nervously smoke aside ..
          2. Dikson
            Dikson 7 November 2015 00: 39 New
            +2
            I can add one more horror story to fans of "ecology" - ten years ago Canadians proved that fire-retardant treatment of wooden structures, house panels and wonderful "foreign advanced technologies" cause, for example, "such a problem - polar bears become hermaphrodites .. Here is such a" European-quality repair " .. And we still wonder where our native cockroaches left the apartments, and why people began to die of cancer at the age of 27 ..
        4. Foxmara
          Foxmara 6 November 2015 17: 52 New
          0
          Yeah, there are no problems from coal stations)) much more environmentally friendly, and there is no radioactive cable from the pipe, and there is nothing like this in the dumps. Unless gas, so you will not drag it everywhere.
        5. mcsimcsim
          mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 15: 30 New
          0
          The “depth” of analysis and the “flawlessness” of operating with “facts” are simply astounding. In a few sentences, to crush whole institutes and eminent scientists to pieces, you are no less than a genius (and maybe even more ...).
    3. Now we are free
      Now we are free 5 November 2015 17: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Actually, they’re already doing it. Photo for February 2015.

      Greetings Denis hi
      In the photo "Lomonosov" as I understand it?
      Not information at what stage of readiness of the PAES? IN SITUATIONS SIMILAR CRIMEAN IT NEEDS MUCH and now there is a need for it ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 50 New
        +2
        In the photo "Lomonosov" as I understand it?

        He is. The information is of course, but extremely scarce. They say they brought the reactor shells, they will mount it. So the power structures are ready, and in fact the floating part itself too.
        Further, as you understand, equipment saturation and testing. That's how long they last a question. The project is still the first in the world.
  • Maxom75
    Maxom75 5 November 2015 17: 38 New
    +7
    They did it and this year it is launched. The base location of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, in addition, another one is planned for Kamchatka.
  • St Petrov
    St Petrov 5 November 2015 17: 43 New
    +1
    done. almost. finish off.

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67065/
  • arane
    arane 5 November 2015 17: 46 New
    +7
    Quote: just EXPL
    for peaceful 10 years ago, they wanted to make a floating nuclear power plant, they didn’t do a damn, but it would have been useful in the Crimea.
    and about this one, they were already discussing in another forum that the thing is good, but it will be necessary to cover anyway.

    Just floating makes it incredibly simpler. The main problem mobile on wheels is the cooling of the reactor, there is water around the floating.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 18: 11 New
      -4
      Quote: arane
      Quote: just EXPL
      for peaceful 10 years ago, they wanted to make a floating nuclear power plant, they didn’t do a damn, but it would have been useful in the Crimea.
      and about this one, they were already discussing in another forum that the thing is good, but it will be necessary to cover anyway.

      Just floating makes it incredibly simpler. The main problem mobile on wheels is the cooling of the reactor, there is water around the floating.

      Yes, Vyacheslav. this and the whole question (so I'm pretty sure that this idea is not feasible)
      How to cool? that is, either the nuclear power plant will be very low-power (and then a diesel engine is both simpler and safer) - or? And how will the reactor dampen when moving?
      In my understanding - the game is not worth the candle.
      But let's see. what will come out.
      True, when I read about autonomy and control via satellite, I understand. RAVE.
      1. i80186
        i80186 5 November 2015 18: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        How to cool?

        But what is cooled in, say, a nuclear submarine? Just don’t say that sea water is scooped up. By the way, our reactors even flew into space, well, if you're not in the know. laughing
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        2. atalef
          atalef 5 November 2015 18: 37 New
          -5
          Quote: i80186
          But what is cooled in, say, a nuclear submarine?

          Actually water. What do you think? Do you know what is principle carnot? 7 primary and secondary cooling circuit

          Quote: i80186
          Just don’t say that sea water is scooped

          Not . what do you . carry with them in bottles
          Quote: i80186
          By the way, our reactors even flew into space, well, if you're not in the know

          I then know, and? YOU READ ABOUT THESE REACTORS (IF YOU UNDERSTAND) especially about energy converters and power output.

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%80%
          D0%B5%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%
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          1%82%D0%B0%D1%85
          1. i80186
            i80186 5 November 2015 18: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Actually water. What do you think? Do you know what is principle carnot? 7 primary and secondary cooling circuit

            No, actually. For example, think about how the processor in your computer dissipates 50 watts with a fan and a hefty aluminum radiator, and the soldering iron does the same without it. Thermodynamics - it is, yes. laughing
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            2. atalef
              atalef 5 November 2015 18: 54 New
              0
              Quote: i80186
              Quote: atalef
              Actually water. What do you think? Do you know what is principle carnot? 7 primary and secondary cooling circuit

              No, actually. . laughing

              I did not doubt it
              Quote: i80186
              For example, think about how the processor in your computer dissipates 50 watts using a fan and a hefty aluminum radiator, and a soldering iron does the same without it.

              A head that would be in it
              Quote: i80186
              Thermodynamics - she is, yes

              Victim of the exam laughing
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 6 November 2015 00: 03 New
                +2
                Just a face-palm .. (I'm talking about a discussion about cooling circuits ..) I'll put a plus sign for you, can I? And yet, be afraid of Gridasov! This is a very spiritualized person with innovative ideas, living outside of our time ... If you imagine the n-dimensional reality in the form of a book, then we will be on the first page, and he will be somewhere on the 15th ..
              2. i80186
                i80186 6 November 2015 08: 29 New
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                Victim of the exam

                I graduated from high school in 95, then there was no EG. smile
                Well, here I’ll explain specifically, once again, to a person from a developed country. You see, if the coolant is metallic and the temperature of the working area is 800 degrees, then you can cool it with air, or maybe even without convection, but only with radiation. Such things, dear victim of Americanism in education. laughing
                If you are not impressed with the submarines, and from space you are as far away as from thermodynamics. Maybe then Tu-95LAL is suitable for you. Imagine, back in the furry 61, they rolled the reactor on an airplane, and there was no small lake near by. laughing
                Read here at your leisure.
                http://topwar.ru/22458-sovetskie-proekty-atomoletov.html
                1. Dikson
                  Dikson 7 November 2015 00: 41 New
                  -1
                  And what is the area of ​​the infected territory over which this board flew?
            3. arane
              arane 5 November 2015 23: 24 New
              +4
              Quote: i80186
              Quote: atalef
              Actually water. What do you think? Do you know what is principle carnot? 7 primary and secondary cooling circuit

              No, actually. For example, think about how the processor in your computer dissipates 50 watts with a fan and a hefty aluminum radiator, and the soldering iron does the same without it. Thermodynamics - it is, yes. laughing

              Let's not insert a cooler into the boat. Good laughing

              Guess why nuclear submarines cannot lie down on the ground?
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 41 New
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                And why their route can be tracked (with a known time lag).
                1. arane
                  arane 6 November 2015 00: 00 New
                  +2
                  Quote: sharp-lad
                  And why their route can be tracked (with a known time lag).

                  Yes, this is the main parameter of the trace!
                  1. i80186
                    i80186 6 November 2015 08: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: arane
                    Yes, this is the main parameter of the trace!

                    Yeah, exactly from a hundred meter depths, flows of hot water rise. And Americans built SOSUS for fun, well, yes. All right. laughing
                  2. arane
                    arane 6 November 2015 20: 28 New
                    +1
                    Quote: i80186
                    Quote: arane
                    Yes, this is the main parameter of the trace!

                    Yeah, exactly from a hundred meter depths, flows of hot water rise. And Americans built SOSUS for fun, well, yes. All right. laughing


                    What does the sausage have to do with it. The acoustic field of the ship has nothing to do with the wake track
            4. archi.sailor
              archi.sailor 6 November 2015 01: 58 New
              +3
              it's all about cooling, and therefore do not go to bed))))
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 6 November 2015 02: 46 New
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                Well, so that the gills do not clog with silt? In general, it’s harmful to them - like sharks, while moving, breathes ..)
              2. arane
                arane 6 November 2015 20: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: archi.sailor
                it's all about cooling, and therefore do not go to bed))))


                absolutely right. Heat exchangers below.
            5. i80186
              i80186 6 November 2015 08: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: arane
              Guess why nuclear submarines cannot lie down on the ground?

              Not well, not a very good example with a boat, it’s stupid not to use water when you are in it. But still, guess what will happen if the accident, and the boat does lie on the ground, and the reactor, for any reason, will not be drowned out?
              1. arane
                arane 6 November 2015 20: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: i80186
                Quote: arane
                Guess why nuclear submarines cannot lie down on the ground?

                Not well, not a very good example with a boat, it’s stupid not to use water when you are in it. But still, guess what will happen if the accident, and the boat does lie on the ground, and the reactor, for any reason, will not be drowned out?

                This will not happen. But if everything is discarded, then the reactor core will melt. The increase in pressure inside the core, then a thermal explosion. T e the reactor lid will vomit fuck, and then radioactive infection. Read the accident at Chazhma.
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            6. Susul
              Susul 6 November 2015 09: 02 New
              0
              LOL, but like ordinary boats can lay on the ground ?!
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 6 November 2015 23: 48 New
                +2
                Yes Easy..
                Who will forbid them?
                the main thing is that normal people stood on the wheels ... With iron bells .. or titanium.))
          2. arane
            arane 5 November 2015 23: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: i80186
            Quote: atalef
            Actually water. What do you think? Do you know what is principle carnot? 7 primary and secondary cooling circuit

            No, actually. For example, think about how the processor in your computer dissipates 50 watts with a fan and a hefty aluminum radiator, and the soldering iron does the same without it. Thermodynamics - it is, yes. laughing

            Damn, and you yourself can draw a conclusion from your words? This is the physics of the 8 class of Soviet high school.
            Compare the radiator with a soldering iron. They have opposite destinations!

            And what does the reactor and soldering iron have to do with it?
            Want a primitive nuclear power plant on your fingers?
            1. Samovar, in which there is very hot water and under great pressure, so that it does not turn into steam.
            2. This water through a closed pipe circulates through the boiler. In the boiler, the water heats quickly, from the pipe from the samovar, and turns into superheated steam that blows on the propeller, the propeller spins and rotates the generator, which generates current.
            3. Further, this steam enters the moonshine. The moonshine still is cooled with cold water (as with moonshine). There, this steam condenses and flows back into the boiler as water.

            And all this crap requires COOLING.
            1. i80186
              i80186 6 November 2015 08: 46 New
              0
              Quote: arane
              1. Samovar, in which there is very hot water and under great pressure, so that it does not turn into steam.
              2. This water through a closed pipe circulates through the boiler. In the boiler, the water heats quickly, from the pipe from the samovar, and turns into superheated steam that blows on the propeller, the propeller spins and rotates the generator, which generates current.
              3. Further, this steam enters the moonshine. The moonshine still is cooled with cold water (as with moonshine). There, this steam condenses and flows back into the boiler as water.

              But instead of water, for example, there may be lead. And instead of steam and a turbogenerator, a thermoelectric converter. Can you imagine? laughing
              About "cooling", about "does not turn into steam", I will not even talk.
              1. i80186
                i80186 6 November 2015 09: 37 New
                +1
                Yes, I completely forgot about MHD generators, you can use them instead of a turbogenerator, well, if the coolant is metal or gas.
              2. arane
                arane 6 November 2015 20: 34 New
                +1
                This is a different physical principle. I am not strong in it. No comments.
                Yes, there is no lead, but sodium, for example, is quite
                1. i80186
                  i80186 8 November 2015 10: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: arane
                  Yes, there is no lead, but sodium, for example, is quite

                  The nuclear submarine of project 705 Lira is a lead-bismuth coolant.
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          3. mcsimcsim
            mcsimcsim 7 November 2015 16: 02 New
            +1
            Hmm ... physics is not your thing, definitely ... the more thermodynamics, with all your fun and sarcasm (but look stupid all the more).
            Just ask yourself a question - does the processor in the computer also heat up to 230-270 degrees Celsius, like a soldering iron?
            1. i80186
              i80186 8 November 2015 10: 54 New
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              Quote: mcsimcsim
              Hmm ... physics is not your thing, definitely ... the more thermodynamics, with all your fun and sarcasm (but look stupid all the more).
              Just ask yourself a question - does the processor in the computer also heat up to 230-270 degrees Celsius, like a soldering iron?

              Well, is it possible to put an air heat exchanger with forced ventilation and an operating temperature of 800 degrees on a mobile reactor? What will be its area if you want to dissipate say 15MW (3-5MW electric power)? For example, a tank engine sows 1 MW into the air, you saw its dimensions, the temperature is 120 degrees, and how much does it take to dissipate 15 MW into the atmosphere at 800 degrees?
              Here it sows 3MW, and at the same time there is still fuel, and two engines with engine drivers.
              Moreover, at a temperature of 800 degrees, this can be done even in a vacuum, only due to radiation, without air / water / without everything. laughing
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 5 November 2015 22: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          I then know, and? YOU READ ABOUT THESE REACTORS (IF YOU UNDERSTAND)

          Again they throw you cons! Gave a link in vain - they don’t understand! smile
        4. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 38 New
          0
          It seems to me that this power unit will be in the form of a very large radioisotope battery.
          Power was about 3 kilowatts.
          Technologies of the 70s, and now 2015, they probably came up with something to increase the conversion of thermal energy into electrical energy. Nano technology has appeared!
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 6 November 2015 07: 38 New
            0
            Quote: sharp-lad
            It seems to me that this power unit will be in the form of a very large radioisotope battery.

            In the early 60s there was an experimental self-propelled power plant "Camomile". There was a thermoelectric converter on the reactor, that is, no turbines and other related mechanics. True, the power was small.
      2. arane
        arane 5 November 2015 23: 19 New
        +4
        Well, firstly, Atalef is one hundred percent right, and minus it, you show your ignorance of the topic.
        First of all, you will laugh, but on submarines they really get “outboard”, as well as on nuclear surface ships.
        Secondly, controlling the reactor through satellites and other radio channels is possible, but it surely smells, because someday the signal will not pass stupidly, and this could be for a million reasons. These operators are needed for any.

        As for the reactors in spacecraft, I can only speculate, because I am not competent in this matter.
        The temperature in space is considered to be -273 degrees Celsius. This is conditional and not entirely correct, since nothing can have a temperature. And if there is no environment, then there is nothing to heat up, therefore, the heat will simply fly away into the abyss of time and the universe! There you have it. Although on this point I can listen to those who are in the subject. Since these are my thoughts for the last five minutes.

        A mobile ....... I can assume that only if there are rivers, lakes, seas and oceans this thing will be operational
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 44 New
          +1
          Through satellites control, operators and a few on-site attendants.
        2. Dikson
          Dikson 6 November 2015 00: 06 New
          +1
          Well, for example, I know the city of Energodar (although there it can already be called differently in the open-air), so there one of the cooling circuits generally depicts a city fountain ..)) and nothing, people like it ..)))
        3. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 6 November 2015 07: 49 New
          +3
          Regarding the cooling of satellites and their power plants. If on fingers, then in space this is a very big problem. Which, in a very considerable degree, so far limits the power of atomic batteries.
          Due to the lack of a heat transfer medium, the dissipation of spurious heat is possible only by radiation. No heat transfer outside by convection, blowing ...
          And this is actually a thermos. In the flask of an ordinary household thermos, there is also a vacuum between the walls. And the heat from the inner part of the bulb to the outside is transmitted only through thermal radiation to the outer part (if you do not consider heat loss through the neck with a stopper).

          In general, cooling systems for satellites are extremely cumbersome and inefficient for objective reasons compared to similar cooling systems on Earth.
          If not for this, then on the same lunar or Martian ship one could put quite a miniature nuclear reactor for tens or hundreds of kW. And absolutely not think about the energy efficiency of the equipment. For spaceships, the problem of cooling a nuclear power plant is even higher than the problem of radiation protection.
        4. Susul
          Susul 6 November 2015 09: 19 New
          0
          If there is no environment, then there is nothing to cool, so heat dissipation only through infrared radiation.
        5. Down House
          Down House 6 November 2015 13: 24 New
          0
          Quote: arane
          This is conditional and not entirely correct, since nothing can have a temperature.

          There is nothing - radiation and energy are there, and energy and temperature are “practically” the same thing. hi
      3. bars876
        bars876 6 November 2015 04: 45 New
        -1
        Actually, they also cool it with sea water, so an atomic boat cannot lie on the ground .... Study the question before writing ... It concerns minuscule people as well ...
    2. shans2
      shans2 5 November 2015 19: 02 New
      +4
      haha, already in the 60s there was TES-3, and in the 80s there were two more advanced TES-7,8, which were cut a year after Chernobyl, having only time to experience a year ...
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 5 November 2015 19: 15 New
      +9
      Of course, of course nonsense !!! This is not the Israelites do. Now, if they are, then yes, and so nonsense.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 5 November 2015 22: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: Observer 33
        Of course, of course nonsense !!! This is not the Israelites do. Now, if they are, then yes, and so nonsense.

        Actually, the laws of physics are the same for everyone. hi
        1. Down House
          Down House 6 November 2015 13: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          Actually, the laws of physics are the same for everyone

          Actually, they are different in the scale of the universe, but this does not apply to the discussion under discussion. fellow
    4. xtur
      xtur 5 November 2015 19: 40 New
      0
      >? And how will the reactor dampen when moving?

      a drowned reactor consumes approximately 5% of the rated power. In movement, the reactor will most likely be in a drowned state.

      > True, when I read about autonomy and control via satellite, I understand. RAVE.

      if the signal delays can provide up to 100 milliseconds, this is still gone. But half a second delay, as is often the case with satellite connections, can be critical in an emergency
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 November 2015 22: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: xtur
        if the signal delays can provide up to 100 milliseconds, this is still gone. But half a second delay, as is often the case with satellite connections, can be critical in an emergency

        Milliseconds just do not play any role, since no service personnel respond at such a speed.
        I just have such a question, so well, for example
        The safety valve flew on the second circuit of the steam generator.
        A steam temperature of 575 degrees at 275 atmospheres (pressure) is the absolutely normal mode of operation of steam generators in a power plant.
        A sharp drop in pressure, a drop in turbine power and a frequency cut-off (first load). then emergency shutdown of the turbine with emergency steam discharge. (which happens because the valve was on), let's hope that TSN had time to work and that was enough to shut down the reactor in an emergency.
        But then, under the flashes of the northern lights and a 40-degree frost, the dispatcher will watch via satellite how the remnants of the water first tear the pipes in the secondary circuit (I mean freezing water). and then primary with the flow of highly radioactive water.
        But there is a plus.
        If her deer get drunk, but on a polar night they can illuminate the road with their eyes instead of headlights.
        1. arane
          arane 5 November 2015 23: 36 New
          +5
          Alexander, a small correction to your Apocalypse scenario! The reactor is not an internal combustion engine! You can’t turn it off with a key and go to sleep. Even when the reactor AZ is triggered, the installation requires a prolonged cooling of the core. Three days a minimum. In general, the temperature and pressure of the primary circuit are constantly monitored while the reactor is charged. IS ALWAYS!

          T e in this case, when the reactor is uncontrolled, under the flashes of the northern lights we get a thermal explosion, t mini Chernobyl! Roughly speaking, the samovar will burst due to pressure, the fuel rods will melt and all this will fly apart, and will appear in the north of the Chukopadr
          1. Down House
            Down House 6 November 2015 13: 27 New
            0
            Quote: arane
            You can’t turn it off with a key and go to sleep.

            So be it. And how is he "jammed" on the submarine in case of accidents?
            1. arane
              arane 6 November 2015 20: 21 New
              +1
              It depends on the accident. In the case of the death of the ship, automatic protection is reset, if possible, compensating gratings are lowered. Next, the ship is sinking. There is a lot of water, it will cool. In other cases, almost as usual. Yes, if it’s really interesting, read
              http://sources.ruzhany.info/022.html

              very christian accident
            2. Dikson
              Dikson 7 November 2015 00: 57 New
              0
              if it’s very simple - graphite .. old cars .. They control the reaction using graphite rods introduced into the core, if a graphite rod breaks, a situation arises in the common people called a “goat” ... And if the rod is not forced to move, you’ll have a reactor spawning and fungus in the sky. At one time in the USSR (I know for sure) there was a man on the nuclear fleet who literally barefoot climbed into hot zones, eliminated problems, grabbed monstrous doses, fatal for an ordinary person, then went on a special board to the sea and washed everything off to hell in two weeks .. This is not a fairy tale, believe me .. The physiology is this ... And you say "indigo children", superman and iron man .. - miserable shniki ...))
        2. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 48 New
          +1
          The article says: without numerous attendants, which means having at least management and maintenance personnel!
        3. Dikson
          Dikson 6 November 2015 00: 10 New
          0
          As for the headlights, I won’t tell you, but some of my friends saw absolutely bald polar bears on a polar night near the New Earth at one time .. Impressions were enough for life ..
        4. xtur
          xtur 6 November 2015 01: 02 New
          0
          > Here milliseconds definitely do not play any role, as the service personnel do not react at such a speed.

          thermal explosion, under favorable conditions for this explosion, it can occur in 10 ^ -5 seconds. So that it all depends on the circumstances

          But actually, I talked about the fact that half a second delay for an emergency is critical. And half a second is 500 milliseconds
        5. noor
          noor 6 November 2015 15: 23 New
          0
          Supercriticism in a steam generator?
      2. Susul
        Susul 6 November 2015 09: 28 New
        +1
        Well, what are you exaggerating so ?!
        it is clear that the main automation will cost at the station itself, a satellite is needed only for monitoring parameters and holding consultations with the operator.
        in two seconds you and the person will not have time to react. Yes, and such a quick change of parameters for a thermodynamic system will indicate a critical error of the equipment itself. Opening a safety valve, or rupturing a pipeline or turbine, local automation should immediately respond
    5. frollog
      frollog 5 November 2015 21: 01 New
      0
      Quote: atalef

      How to cool? that is, either the nuclear power plant will be very low-power (and then a diesel engine is both simpler and safer) - or? And how will the reactor dampen when moving?

      In the parking lot - two pipes from the second circuit to the river. And in the stowed position to jam. I understand that such machines are needed for a more or less long and / or isolated base. So that instead of several hundred tons of fuel, bring one such thing a year, and that’s it.
    6. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 21: 59 New
      0
      Quote: atalef

      True, when I read about autonomy and control via satellite, I understand. RAVE.

      Hello Sasha! It's like we have at work, Moscow say: “Your transmitters are not serviced!”, And we have no problems a day! Poke them with a snout at this "out of service"! hi
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 November 2015 22: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: atalef

        True, when I read about autonomy and control via satellite, I understand. RAVE.

        Hello Sasha! It's like we have at work, Moscow say: “Your transmitters are not serviced!”, And we have no problems a day! Poke them with a snout at this "out of service"! hi

        Or as we have ABB Sache (Italian) - 24 kV gas-insulated cells, it seems like the same thing was stated that they did not require service, but there was a malfunction for a malfunction.
        Simens and ABB (Switzerland) at 160 \ 400kV are certainly aerobatics, but Alshtom (France) is worse than any public woman.
        And everything seems to be declared - as UNMENUALABLE (by whom, damn it, if only they are unattended)
    7. Old old
      Old old 6 November 2015 00: 07 New
      0
      ... control via satellite - I understand. RAVE

      What is the difference between controlling via a satellite - a drone or an RTG?
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 6 November 2015 02: 10 New
        0
        RTGs nevertheless required specific human hands for periodic maintenance (after completion of work, be sure to treat it with alcohol !!!) .. Well, before starting the service, the glass was sewn inside ... It didn’t help everyone, though ..
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 5 November 2015 17: 56 New
    +3
    just exp
    for peaceful 10 years ago, they wanted to make a floating nuclear power plant, they didn’t do a damn, but it would have been useful in the Crimea.

    Do it done! The only question is - who and how will protect this object ... primarily from terrorist attacks ... or simply - from shelling with a 120 mm mortar or howitzer .... not to mention high-precision missile defense ... This is what zone security do you need? In the same Arctic, they wanted to do their work offline ... without people ... And then they thought and ... scratched their dust !!!!
  • veksha50
    veksha50 5 November 2015 17: 58 New
    0
    Quote: just EXPL
    good thing, but covered in any need



    Security is expensive ... It can be seen that this is just a stumbling block ...
  • ver_
    ver_ 5 November 2015 18: 16 New
    0
    ... already done, but it turned out to be huge ...
  • g1v2
    g1v2 5 November 2015 18: 38 New
    0
    A floating nuclear power plant is being built in full, no one has beaten it. On Sun regularly news about its construction appear.
  • 34 region
    34 region 5 November 2015 18: 52 New
    +1
    In my opinion, in the USSR they were going to make a floating power station. Type for the north.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 22: 08 New
      0
      Quote: 34 region
      In my opinion, in the USSR they were going to make a floating power station. Type for the north.

      There was a case, then they refused.
  • Homo
    Homo 5 November 2015 19: 27 New
    0
    Quote: just EXPL
    for peaceful 10 years ago they wanted to make a floating nuclear power plant

    See the news. It is being completed already. Will be ready soon.
  • ARES623
    ARES623 5 November 2015 21: 32 New
    0
    Quote: just EXPL
    a good thing, but sheltered for any need.

    Adzhimushkay, Balaklava - there are a lot of places where you can place such a thing. Another question is why, if there is gas and you can carefully build TPPs without nuclear risk.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 November 2015 21: 34 New
      +1
      it is possible to carefully build thermal power plants without nuclear risk.

      Where to get fuel from? Again, ship in thousands of tons?
  • Drёma
    Drёma 6 November 2015 00: 51 New
    0
    It might come in handy, maybe
    But who would (the Turks) let her go there?
    ... and the first small projects (including floating ones) already have at least
    twenty five.
  • Irkutian
    Irkutian 6 November 2015 03: 50 New
    0
    Finish already. Academician Lomonosov called.
  • alekc75
    alekc75 6 November 2015 09: 20 New
    0
    made and not one - in the USSR, two floating made for the north
  • Down House
    Down House 6 November 2015 12: 59 New
    0
    Quote: just EXPL
    for peaceful 10 years ago, they wanted to make a floating nuclear power plant back;

    Yes.
    By the way, mini-nuclear power plants already exist, Toshiba 4S (Japan) Hyperion (USA) and the only operating "Elena" (Russia) - it remains only to finalize and put on the chassis.
    And I think that if it weren’t for “democratic reforms” that they would have been put on the chassis a long time ago, there is a need for this.
    PS. While writing, I remembered about the pilot "TPP-3 - a portable nuclear power plant" -1961 and the promising "Pamir" - a mobile nuclear power plant.
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 5 November 2015 17: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    Already read somewhere. This is really cool !!!

    Having such sources of energy, you can create powerful mobile radars or EW stations.
    1. just exp
      just exp 5 November 2015 17: 37 New
      +3
      even before the power sources for laser weapons were predicted. in theory it is possible.
      1. i80186
        i80186 5 November 2015 18: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: just EXPL
        even before the power sources for laser weapons were predicted. in theory it is possible.

        Laser is not laser, but a megawatt magnetron with normal duty cycle and duration can be used in every way. Radars cried on airplanes, about drones even nothing to say. smile
    2. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 5 November 2015 20: 56 New
      +1
      Having such sources of energy, you can create powerful mobile radars or EW stations.
      And you can attach a drill and dig a tunnel into the Pentagon or the White House. wink
      1. kashtak
        kashtak 6 November 2015 09: 27 New
        +1
        yes, we’ll start tomorrow fellow . only you can get into the yellow house, not white. wink
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 22: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      Having such sources of energy, you can create powerful mobile radars or EW stations

      What would jam so jam! So that not a single phone blinks across the country, not a single receiver or TV! But the enemy will not be sweet !!! fellow
  • st25310
    st25310 5 November 2015 17: 26 New
    +6
    Not really fighting lasers on the way.
  • SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 5 November 2015 17: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas, and if wisely then in peace, in the first place.

    Everything is clear with the military. And how it will be applied in peaceful areas - there are many questions. For example, what about anti-terrorism protection? If you leave the station without good protection, then it can simply be blown up, and this, if not an atomic explosion, but will definitely pull on a dirty bomb. And if there will be many such stations?
    1. Maxom75
      Maxom75 5 November 2015 17: 40 New
      +2
      So do la mine defense, will stand on the territory of military camps and accordingly protected. They make for the far north, there are few people there.
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 5 November 2015 17: 45 New
      +1
      I’m sure that this is not science fiction, but reality! Kulibins in Russia did not go extinct and see the drawings for a long time gathering dust in the table (in Khrushchev) ... Well, give
      The God! The right thing for our vast territories ...
      1. kashtak
        kashtak 5 November 2015 18: 54 New
        -6
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Well give
        The God! The right thing for our vast territories ...

        Take a trip to Chernobyl to admire the vast territory of once fertile land where you can’t live right now. and God help you, or rather peace to your home.
        1. Xsanchez
          Xsanchez 6 November 2015 02: 28 New
          +1
          Who told you that Polesie is fertile land? It is the largest swamp in Europe, and the most sparsely populated.
        2. Down House
          Down House 6 November 2015 13: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: kashtak
          Take a trip to Chernobyl to admire vast territories

          And people damn road accidents die, and much more than from radiation, now you will be against cars too ?!
        3. mav1971
          mav1971 6 November 2015 14: 41 New
          0
          Quote: kashtak
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Well give
          The God! The right thing for our vast territories ...

          Take a trip to Chernobyl to admire the vast territory of once fertile land where you can’t live right now. and God help you, or rather peace to your home.


          Only now in the Chernobyl region has divorced so much every beast. that even European lynxes. extinct 70 years ago - appeared in camera traps.

          Nature flourished there.

          And yes, there are swamps all around.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 7 November 2015 01: 02 New
            +1
            And thank God..! let the beast get better bred than inadequate people .. In one of the Rubens in a picture in the center of Europe, people of a lion try to stab with sticks with tips .. And it seems like before the bears went across Europe .. And here, the rats ... let them breed! )))
    3. Tujh
      Tujh 5 November 2015 17: 46 New
      +3
      It will be enough to arrange such "nuclear power plants" in the location of military units, of which we have a lot in the country, and to draw them into the country's general energy system. The security issue will be lifted and capacity for peaceful purposes will be freed.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 November 2015 19: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Tujh
        It will be enough to arrange such "nuclear power plants" in the location of military units, of which we have a lot in the country, and to draw them into the country's general energy system

        And if you bring power lines (Unified Energy System) to these areas, then why the heck do they put nuclear power plants there?
        Quote: Tujh
        The security issue will be lifted and capacity for peaceful purposes will be freed.

        good laughing
      2. xtur
        xtur 5 November 2015 19: 44 New
        +1
        > It will be enough to arrange such "nuclear power plants" in the location of military units

        ... and protection from Permyakovs who regularly meet in the army?

        Do not underestimate the difficulty and importance of the physical protection of such energy sources.
      3. Dikson
        Dikson 5 November 2015 22: 34 New
        +1
        Do you know how many military units, and by the way, not simple ones, are guarding nuclear power plants ?! There is protection in several echelons .. but then what will happen? A pair of sentries under the fungus?
    4. veksha50
      veksha50 5 November 2015 18: 01 New
      0
      Quote: SRC P-15
      For example, what about anti-terrorism protection?



      Just as with a conventional nuclear power plant ... This article just bypassed this question by default ...
  • meriem1
    meriem1 5 November 2015 17: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    This is really cool !!! good
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas, and if wisely then in peace, in the first place. If minimization of a nuclear installation really reaches such proportions belay (sorry for the paradox) then this is just an unprecedented breakthrough. fellow
    Of course, there will be a special chic if a fast neutron reactor is put there ... Well, I already dreamed about it ... laughing


    And it’s not bad to dream !!!! Tsiolkovsky dreamed and here !!!!
  • Irokez
    Irokez 5 November 2015 17: 44 New
    +4
    Well, not so much a breakthrough as miniaturization. For example, the spent block of a nuclear submarine that was written off is cut out with a compartment and adjusted to the point of need by water, and you can give electricity. Than to utilize, it is possible to use to the maximum in the same far north and on new islands where right now troops are formed and bases.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 47 New
      +1
      Than to utilize, it is possible to use to the maximum

      So it is not only that it is cut and transported, it also needs to be filled with fuel and connected to the generating capacities accordingly. And this is actually creating a new system every time.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 6 November 2015 00: 16 New
        0
        But why? After all, the system has already been created? The nuclear submarines pass PPRs, there are service vessels, spent fuel storage bases, Reactors already run-in .. What's the problem? Weld the pontoons on the shipyard? Build one ice class supply ship for transporting and reloading fuel in an already developed scheme? Is it really cheaper to create the whole structure of service and production from scratch?
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 19: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Irokez
      For example, the spent block of a nuclear submarine that was written off is cut out with a compartment and adjusted to the point of need by water, and you can give electricity

      And why then they cut it out 7 if you can give electricity 7 Or do you think the electricity is removed directly from the reactor. so little info. for general outlook
      1. The reactor (gives heat. As a simple boiler and is no different (fundamentally from the point of view of energy) from a wood-burning stove.

      2. steam generator
      3 high and low pressure turbine
      4. Steam dryer
      4 generator
      5. output step-up tr-r and RU
      Well, about frequency control, depending on the load, I will not mention (so that you won’t be able to powder your brains)
      6. Power transmission lines and relay protection.
      You can continue to continue. so here. what did you say there about the cut out reactor compartment?
    3. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 19: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: Irokez
      For example, the spent block of a nuclear submarine that was written off is cut out with a compartment and adjusted to the point of need by water, and you can give electricity

      And why then they cut it out 7 if you can give electricity 7 Or do you think the electricity is removed directly from the reactor. so little info. for general outlook
      1. The reactor (gives heat. As a simple boiler and is no different (fundamentally from the point of view of energy) from a wood-burning stove.

      2. steam generator
      3 high and low pressure turbine
      4. Steam dryer
      4 generator
      5. output step-up tr-r and RU
      Well, about frequency control, depending on the load, I will not mention (so that you won’t be able to powder your brains)
      6. Power transmission lines and relay protection.
      You can continue to continue. so here. what did you say there about the cut out reactor compartment?
  • Civil
    Civil 5 November 2015 17: 49 New
    +2
    As a result, there will be reactors in each village)))
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 5 November 2015 19: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Civil
      As a result, there will be reactors in each village)))

      tipun to your tongue. excuse me but you have to think. not the fifties in the yard when the jungle in Africa wanted to plow under the grain fields, and dig up the lakes with hydrogen charges. who will think about the consequences?
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    3. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 19: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Civil
      As a result, there will be reactors in each village)))


      How is it in Jack Vosmerkin?
      I certainly do not mind the collective farm. but not in my village
  • Altona
    Altona 5 November 2015 17: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas, and if wisely then in peace, in the first place.

    ----------------------
    The issue of energy supply of mountain, taiga and tundra settlements will be resolved ... Only it is necessary to make the reactor "indiscriminate" and the fuel "unremovable" and "unsuitable" for other purposes ... In order not to mock the appetites of the bad comrades who can attack such a poorly populated village, to extract the stuffing of a power plant for terrorist purposes ... Again, commercial promotion for the payback of producing such nuclear generators ...
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 5 November 2015 19: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: Altona
      The issue of energy supply of mountain, taiga and tundra settlements will be solved ...

      and then the windmills didn’t please you?
      1. Fafnir
        Fafnir 5 November 2015 19: 22 New
        +1
        Well, for example, a wild level of infrasound, a small resource, huge size, instability of the power output, etc. If you choose what I have under the window, the field of windmills or nuclear power plants, then the choice is clear - of course the nuclear power plant.
        1. kashtak
          kashtak 5 November 2015 19: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Fafnir
          wild infrasound

          specify what level do you think is wild?
          Quote: Fafnir
          huge sizes

          in the tundra? lol
          Quote: Fafnir
          small resource

          no lower than any generator. PS and even today I worked on a turbogenerator so that it is not necessary about infrasound it is no higher than that of an electric motor. I do not like the windmill. I can name other options that do not explode and which do not need to be guarded by special forces. but you want some cool stuff, not a serious conversation.
          1. Fafnir
            Fafnir 5 November 2015 20: 31 New
            +1
            I wonder what you measured the level of infrasound? wassat Okay, we’ll postpone the discussion about the dangers of infrasound for later, since information on this topic is not quite accessible.
            Further, the enormous size in the tundra. And how will you deliver this colossus there? Can you imagine the size? And the "cool bells and whistles" are just all these windmills, solar panels and other pseudo-environmental technologies. As for other options - well, name a source of energy that has a relatively compact size, does not need a constant supply of fuel and produces stable power regardless of weather and time of day. laughing
            1. kashtak
              kashtak 5 November 2015 21: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Fafnir
              Further, the enormous size in the tundra. And how will you deliver this colossus there? Can you imagine the size?

              many times less than that colossus, and the weight is tens of times,
              Quote: Fafnir
              As for other options - well, name a source of energy that has a relatively compact size, does not need a constant supply of fuel and produces stable power regardless of weather and time of day.

              a briefcase-sized grease generator is enough to light a living room or a laptop / walkie-talkie. fuel is not needed at all (clock principle). hydrogen elements (an analogue of promising electric cars) it is more reasonable to develop transport. for the far north than such adventures. PS Infrasound we measure annually sound level meter, with the certification of jobs.
              1. Fafnir
                Fafnir 5 November 2015 21: 20 New
                +5
                Hmm. Are we talking about power plants or toys? If it was a few kilowatts, I would not argue. "Fuel does not need at all" - does this device work on the "world air"? wink "The principle of the clock" is that ?! laughing And what kind of clock, electronic, atomic or cuckoo? wassat Will your hydrogen spawn in fuel cells? You would study the materiel, look at the size of the same wind generators of more or less decent power, and study the rules for their maintenance. Normal generators, not several kilowatt toys.
                1. kashtak
                  kashtak 5 November 2015 22: 09 New
                  +1
                  we are talking about electricity and how to get it. and the needs of reindeer herders / geologists camps. for the rig this is not relevant. Why is there 10 MW? and 5-50 kw / h is enough with a margin of space there are sparsely populated, and people are unpretentious, not that we are urban. so the fields of windmills are not needed. and the unevenness of the issue is solved. since you’re not explaining the principle of the clock, this is a spring with a cranked cocking for 5 minutes you turn and a few hours are light. the mechanism is comparable to a watch. fuel is not necessary in principle. hydrogen can spawn in a simple installation with a minimum of consumables. and where without them? even at nuclear power plants. so learn not only materiel but also theory. so transport and transport again. northern delivery through the arctic north is where the serious issue for discussion.
                  1. Fafnir
                    Fafnir 5 November 2015 22: 49 New
                    +2
                    Have you read the article? What are the reindeer herders? What geologists? The project is in the interests of the Ministry of Defense. In the picture to the article, a device with a thermal capacity of about 8,8 MW. Are you going to feed, for example, a radar generator with a spring? wink Well then, let's put the company on cycle generators, almost the Matrix will work out. And in any case, fuel is needed - FOOD for the spring plant. And can you elaborate on the spontaneous generation of hydrogen on an industrial scale? And power is measured in Kilowatts (KW), and not in "kw / h". In general, before proposing a solution, familiarize yourself with the task.
                    1. kashtak
                      kashtak 5 November 2015 23: 02 New
                      -4
                      Do you think the border guard camp is different? and for the 8.8mw radar, I don’t need to say as a graduated radar operator. hydrogen, and who is talking about industrial scale? to power the radar is a small enough installation. As for the village / mine, it is wiser to make a gas pipeline branch. without laying out atomic charges over the territory. As for the kilo / megawatt, I apologize how at work I used to use Latin letters in the statement as on the device.
                    2. Fafnir
                      Fafnir 5 November 2015 23: 20 New
                      0
                      Mega, kilo ... It's not the Latin alphabet, but the fact that you wrote not power, but capacity (quantity) Kilowatt / hour. But radars are different, I had a chance to see on the lamps, he is still a monster. In addition, we do not know why this unit is needed by the military. Suddenly valid for the railgun wassat But this is obviously not done for border guards, for them you can really find a much simpler solution to the same windmill wink. Although this also depends on the required power, it may turn out to be cheaper to import fuel to a diesel generator. And if megawatts away from power lines are required, then windmills obviously will not help. Actually, the dispute began due to the fact that they assumed different power consumption.
                    3. AlexeyL
                      AlexeyL 6 November 2015 16: 15 New
                      0
                      Beyond the circle of the troposphere, mainly tropospheric stations of sufficiently large emitting power and they consume, respectively, are not small
                      In general, there would be a source of energy, but where to use it would be.
                      Just there are limitations due to lack of power source.
                  2. V.ic
                    V.ic 6 November 2015 20: 28 New
                    +1
                    Quote: kashtak
                    and for the 8.8mw radar, I don’t need to say as a graduated radar operator.

                    Graduated from the courses? So it’s good, wiser ... But even from a school physics course, 8,8 mw (in your opinion) is only 8,8 milliwatts, and 8,8 MWt is 10 to the ninth power. Different values, however. Child "EG" ...
              2. AlexeyL
                AlexeyL 6 November 2015 16: 10 New
                0
                What does the camp of reindeer herders / geologists and Moscow region have to do with it?
            2. atalef
              atalef 5 November 2015 22: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: Fafnir
              Will your hydrogen spawn in fuel cells?

              It is on ammonia and is developed on methane, which in the tundra ... well, in general, a lot

              Quote: Fafnir
              If you choose what I have under the window, the field of windmills or nuclear power plants, then the choice is clear - of course the nuclear power plant

              I’m also for having a nuclear power plant under the window good
              1. Fafnir
                Fafnir 5 November 2015 22: 52 New
                0
                A man began to write without reading an article and mentioned exactly hydrogen elements. wink And I will be happy if a hundred-meter windmill will spin over your house. drinks
              2. kashtak
                kashtak 5 November 2015 23: 10 New
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                I’m also for having a nuclear power plant under the window

                I'm sorry, but the neighbors? I like against.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 5 November 2015 23: 11 New
                  -1
                  Quote: kashtak
                  Quote: atalef
                  I’m also for having a nuclear power plant under the window

                  I'm sorry, but the neighbors? I like against.

                  So she is small wink
                2. Down House
                  Down House 6 November 2015 13: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: kashtak
                  and the neighbors? I like against

                  For example, I am also a neighbor - I'm FOR fellow
              3. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 5 November 2015 23: 57 New
                +1
                About 15 years ago I read that they created fuel cells working on alcohol wassat . But this is definitely not for us !!! drinks
                1. Dikson
                  Dikson 6 November 2015 02: 12 New
                  0
                  30 years ago I read that the Germans during the war had a boat with a power plant on heavy water ..
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 22: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Fafnir
      If you choose what I have under the window, the field of windmills or nuclear power plants, then the choice is clear - of course the nuclear power plant

      Just don’t open the window, ... just in case winked
  • Altona
    Altona 5 November 2015 21: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: kashtak
    and then the windmills didn’t please you?

    -------------
    What the hell are they for me? We are powered by electricity from the Volga hydrocascade ...
  • Down House
    Down House 6 November 2015 13: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: kashtak
    and then the windmills didn’t please you?

    1. Low efficiency.
    2. Large areas.
    3. "Selection" of wind energy - large areas with a wind turbine slow down the speed of movement of air masses and lead to climate change.
    1. AlexeyL
      AlexeyL 6 November 2015 16: 18 New
      0
      Fairly complex and therefore expensive generators for wind farms
  • mav1971
    mav1971 6 November 2015 14: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: kashtak
    Quote: Altona
    The issue of energy supply of mountain, taiga and tundra settlements will be solved ...

    and then the windmills didn’t please you?


    The cost of energy from windmills is much more expensive than even coal stations.
    Huge equipment costs.
    Huge squares.
    Instability of production. In strong winds are turned off automatically.
    Huge rechargeable.
    Zero frost resistance.
    The high cost of maintenance.
    animals leave these areas due to infrasound and lobe movement.
    Communicated with an Austrian that serves windmills near Vienna and Baden.
    When he podnapil - he began to cut the truth, the uterus so. that the ears are wrapped.
    And when he was sober - Eco yes eco. cool and gut. :)
  • Dikson
    Dikson 5 November 2015 22: 40 New
    0
    Yeah .. And then this "non-separable" suitcase with "non-recoverable" spent, but no less dangerous fuel, is just stupidly quit rusting in the tundra, right? Well, or drown in the Arctic near Novaya Zemlya ..- but cho, let the descendants soar ..
    1. Altona
      Altona 5 November 2015 22: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      Yeah .. And then this "non-separable" suitcase with "non-recoverable" spent, but no less dangerous fuel, is just stupidly quit rusting in the tundra, right? Well, or drown in the Arctic near Novaya Zemlya ..- but cho, let the descendants soar ..

      -------------------
      I put these conditions in quotation marks, conditionally non-separable, conditionally non-retrievable, that is, protected additionally from intruders ... And then this “non-separable” suitcase is carried away by helicopter and disassembled in industrial conditions ... And nothing.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 5 November 2015 17: 57 New
    +5
    Quote: Vladimir
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas and in peaceful Firstly. If minimization of a nuclear installation really reaches such proportions



    The difference between the protection of state, military and technical (technological) secrets between the USSR-Russia and the USA has always been that in the USA any operating time-development through 5 years (!!!) lowered its security classification and was transferred to a peaceful (national, civil) ) economy ...

    Our security stamp may not have been removed for decades, even when such a technique was already out of date ... Believe me, I took the data from my head ...

    So this "breakthrough" was accomplished in 1961 (!!!), however, it was not used in the national economy ... For what reason - this is another question ...

    And now this project is simply being improved on a modern technological base ... And he, both the army and the navy, and the civilian, was needed the day before yesterday !!! But better late than never ...
    1. arane
      arane 5 November 2015 18: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: veksha50
      Quote: Vladimir
      It will be a breakthrough in many areas and in peaceful Firstly. If minimization of a nuclear installation really reaches such proportions



      The difference between the protection of state, military and technical (technological) secrets between the USSR-Russia and the USA has always been that in the USA any operating time-development through 5 years (!!!) lowered its security classification and was transferred to a peaceful (national, civil) ) economy ...

      Our security stamp may not have been removed for decades, even when such a technique was already out of date ... Believe me, I took the data from my head ...

      So this "breakthrough" was accomplished in 1961 (!!!), however, it was not used in the national economy ... For what reason - this is another question ...

      And now this project is simply being improved on a modern technological base ... And he, both the army and the navy, and the civilian, was needed the day before yesterday !!! But better late than never ...


      I will say more. We managed to secret the development and not implement them at all. As a result, this was repeated in the West after some time and patented.
    2. Old old
      Old old 6 November 2015 00: 23 New
      +1
      So this "breakthrough" was accomplished in 1961 (!!!), however, it was not used in the national economy ... For what reason - this is another question ...

      "Do you see a gopher? No. But he is!" c / f "DMB"
      I repeat:
      “RTGs were used in navigation beacons, radio beacons, weather stations and similar equipment installed in areas where, for technical or economic reasons, it is not possible to use other power sources. In particular, in the USSR they were used as power sources for navigation equipment installed on the Arctic coast of the ocean along the Northern Sea Route. At present, due to the risk of leakage of radiation and radioactive materials, the practice of installing maintenance-free RTGs in inaccessible places has been stopped. "
      GOST 18696-90 “Radionuclide thermoelectric generators. Types and general specifications. ” and GOST 20250-83 “Radionuclide thermoelectric generators. Acceptance rules and test methods. " Wikipedia
    3. Old old
      Old old 6 November 2015 00: 23 New
      0
      So this "breakthrough" was accomplished in 1961 (!!!), however, it was not used in the national economy ... For what reason - this is another question ...

      "Do you see a gopher? No. But he is!" c / f "DMB"
      I repeat:
      “RTGs were used in navigation beacons, radio beacons, weather stations and similar equipment installed in areas where, for technical or economic reasons, it is not possible to use other power sources. In particular, in the USSR they were used as power sources for navigation equipment installed on the Arctic coast of the ocean along the Northern Sea Route. At present, due to the risk of leakage of radiation and radioactive materials, the practice of installing maintenance-free RTGs in inaccessible places has been stopped. "
      GOST 18696-90 “Radionuclide thermoelectric generators. Types and general specifications. ” and GOST 20250-83 “Radionuclide thermoelectric generators. Acceptance rules and test methods. " Wikipedia
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 5 November 2015 17: 58 New
    +9
    In the Arctic and in inaccessible areas it is simply necessary, only shelter must also be taken very seriously
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 November 2015 21: 23 New
      0
      Meter combined armor will close the reactor and will be protected from all threats.
  • guzik007
    guzik007 5 November 2015 18: 24 New
    +5
    To all the USSR lovers! ... Low-power mobile nuclear power plant "Object 27" or TPP-3, created in the USSR in 1961 on the platform of a heavy tank ...

    There would be no powerful backlog of the “deceased state,” which is not only kicked by the lazy now, nor would there be this.
    ... Oh, byad! There is no one to recreate and nothing to do.
  • kashtak
    kashtak 5 November 2015 18: 27 New
    -2
    Quote: Vladimir
    Of course, there will be a special chic if a fast neutron reactor is put there ... Well, I already dreamed about it ...

    yeah, and sent to a new land, away in one word. and even better they don’t. there is such a law of nature, solid is solid, liquid is liquid, and an atom is always dangerous. I'm not talking about radioactive waste, this is generally a paragraph for centuries.
    1. datura23
      datura23 8 November 2015 07: 35 New
      -1
      and when will Chelaes be built, where will you escape to Germany or France? Or will you leave for the partisans?
      1. kashtak
        kashtak 8 November 2015 08: 20 New
        0
        you won’t wait, I won’t run away. If they build ChelAES, I will stay at home. but I’ll draw conclusions for myself. and you, our stingy one, do not move weakly closer to the Lighthouse? in Chelyabinsk, by the way, we held a referendum on ChelAES. guess the results? rough work, clumsy I would say. in the atom industry is so bad with frames? Or are you from another office?
        1. datura23
          datura23 8 November 2015 13: 41 New
          0
          I live in Sosnovsky district and welcome the construction of a nuclear power plant, and I remember your referendum, what hysteria did Yeltsin’s politicians use on channel 8. You probably won’t deny that the destruction of Russian industry was part of their plans. So it turns out that you continue their work
          1. kashtak
            kashtak 8 November 2015 14: 47 New
            0
            to the opinion of the media I’m deeply parallel, I have my own. nuclear power is not an industry. industry is factories in the city. I support their development with both hands. instead, you propose investing energy and resources in a dangerous and inefficient project. so which of us is Yeltsin’s ...? Instead of rebuilding the industry, the main thing is to cut down the loot now, but at least grass doesn’t grow there for this you are ready to disagree with either an extremist or ... well. nuclear reactors are indisputable no. I repeat, they are necessary where they are indispensable. obtaining isotopes, x-rays and. etc. all this is indispensable, for now. nuclear deterrence charges all the more. new power plants are not needed for this. these are the business interests of energy companies. due to us, by the way. say no? What is needed is not a new station but energy saving, this is a serious question. say no?
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 5 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas, and if wisely then in peace, in the first place.

    Yes, they have already done this for a long time, now they are pulling the light of day that they were embodied in metal in the USSR, so there is no breakthrough http://www.infuture.ru/article/1847
  • your1970
    your1970 5 November 2015 19: 14 New
    +6
    Breakthrough-well-well !!!
    The construction of such power plants in the quantities about which the people have dreamed about ("each military unit", "villages in Siberia", etc., etc.) is ....... how to say it is censored. ...
    The threats emanating from such stations exceed any pluses of their existence - moreover, the terrorist threat is so, babble, the issue being solved ..
    The problem is different - the operating life of the nuclear power plant is very short, there are no technologies that can once and for all neutralize a radioactive source, the storage facilities are not endless, the construction of new ones - nobody wants to have them nearby for some reason ...
    We have reactors from submarines of a breakthrough; there’s nowhere to go especially ...

    Think for a second - WHY ???? in the USSR they didn’t start the series, although the need was no less, and perhaps more than now. There were technical opportunities, scientific developments, there were experimental developments, but they didn’t start, they thought better of it in time, common sense prevailed ..

    for example this:
    "In 1961, the first mobile nuclear power plant TES-3 entered into trial operation in the USSR. TES-3 consisted of four tracked chassis based on the T-10 tank. Power 1,5-2 MW, service life on one load - up to a year, the weight of one self-propelled module is 90 t. "
    or another sample - "Pamir-630D NPP" "
    Or another:
    "RTG-radioisotope thermoelectric generator
    In Soviet times, the 1007 RTG was manufactured for ground use. The average life is 15 years. The RTG is a potential hazard, as it is located in a deserted area and can be stolen and then used as a dirty bomb. Cases of dismantlement of RTGs by non-ferrous metal hunters were recorded, while the abductors themselves received a lethal dose of radiation.
    Currently, they are being dismantled and disposed of under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency and funded by the United States, Norway and other countries. By the beginning of the 2011 year, the 539 RTG was dismantled. As of 2012, 72 RTGs are in operation, 3 lost, 222 in storage, 31 in the process of disposal. Four units were operated in Antarctica. "

    I saw how I removed a random source of cesium — it was in a gondola car, so that a special-purpose crane with a grip could come up safely — the RADON team made a wall of foundation blocks ... And the source was a trifle, from a flaw detector - and the phonil so that the meters screeched as much as not bursting ....

    And you are more good and different nuclear power plants !!!!!!!!
    No, otherwise there will be a lot of headache and problems .... and our children, by the way, too .......
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 5 November 2015 22: 24 New
      +1
      You shouldn’t be so pessimistic ... Google for 4th generation reactors working on waste (our development) This may be discussed ...
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 5 November 2015 22: 43 New
        0
        Are you talking about MOX fuel now? So there in technology such a vigorous guano precipitates, which really only needs 10 kilometers to be pumped underground ...
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 6 November 2015 00: 27 New
          0
          so guano goes to recycling again, if I'm not mistaken.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 6 November 2015 01: 50 New
            0
            Mistaken a little .. -the cycle there is really in terms of efficiency incomparable with the current fuel, but in the end there is still a VERY and VERY dangerous residue ... Small, but today no one knows what can be done with it, except how to bury it very much deep or send to the sun. There is no processing technology for this residue yet. But in principle, MOX technology is a real way out of the situation with irradiated nuclear fuel today, in which huge potential is laid. Sin is not to use this scheme ..
  • Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 5 November 2015 19: 27 New
    +1
    Toshiba 4S mini-nuclear power plants are a really tiny reactor (underground, encapsulated), capable of supplying 10 megawatts to the network.
    Another 2003 year, the only innovation is that it is mobile, and so the Japs did it a long time ago ...
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 5 November 2015 19: 44 New
    +2
    K 2020 g Russian military will receive small nuclear power plants

    Yes, this is damn cool! Especially in the north. Nor any diesel generators and barrels with diesel engines that you still need to bring .. good
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 5 November 2015 19: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas, and if wisely then in peace, in the first place.

    This is ALREADY a breakthrough.
    That's what I thought ... analogues, albeit slightly reworked, because you can put them on the same Varshavyanki or Lada, and at the output we get small, but atomic submarines with an unlimited travel resource.
    As for peaceful purposes, there really are no limits to the imagination to apply. Plus export is also an important moment in this matter. hi
  • Maksus
    Maksus 5 November 2015 20: 37 New
    +9
    Why a breakthrough? Everything has already been done in the USSR - the 27 facility.

    In 1957, by order of the Ministry of Medium Engineering, the Design Bureau created a chassis for a mobile nuclear power plant (“27 facility”), based on T-10 nodes. The declared mass of the car was 90 t, so the chassis of the tank had to be lengthened by putting ten pairs of road wheels and a significantly widened track. The case was a rectangular body, resembling the dimensions of a large railway car.

    The mobile nuclear power plant was successfully tested and operated in the Kolyma, Chukotka and other areas of the Far North.
    1. mgfly
      mgfly 5 November 2015 20: 49 New
      +3
      flipped down specially to see your answer) well, if I hadn’t seen it, I would have added it myself!
      there, too, they assembled a complex of 4 cars (I compare with the picture on the screen saver) and they worked for themselves in the north. so what a breakthrough it will be ... well, I don’t even know request
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 5 November 2015 21: 34 New
        0
        Below, there is another post about this installation, even written earlier.
      2. Down House
        Down House 6 November 2015 13: 42 New
        0
        Quote: mgfly
        what a breakthrough it will be ... well, I don’t even know

        Well, it was a pilot project, and in the article the conversation about almost serial production is a huge difference
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 November 2015 21: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: Maksus
      Why a breakthrough? Everything has already been done in the USSR - the 27 facility.

      The breakthrough is that they returned to this, investing money and modernizing, but not successfully "buried".
      Do not equate the economies of 15 republics with the economies of one Russia. Thank God that these developments were and were remembered about. hi
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 6 November 2015 11: 03 New
        +1
        So it’s not a breakthrough, but normal work with archives and the base. But the economy of the 15 republics did not exist - there was the RSFSR and Ukraine and Belarus - the rest are subsidized.
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 5 November 2015 21: 22 New
    +2
    If minimizing a nuclear installation really reaches such a scale of belay (sorry for the paradox), then this is simply not a breakthrough.


    smile This breakthrough took place in the late seventies, and in the eighties there was a whole set of options, including space on polonium. It was not in demand. And today I don’t really understand "what a holy fool they hurt", most likely some weapons appeared that required such a constant source of energy. Most likely, something is connected with jamming and laser tasers.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 5 November 2015 21: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: Vladimir
    This is really cool !!!
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas.

    This breakthrough is already a hundred years old at lunch!
    In 1961, for the first time in the USSR, an experimental all-terrain nuclear power plant -TES-3 was created. A mobile nuclear power plant is installed on the caterpillar base of the tank, for patency in hard-to-reach areas.
    Soviet scientists who created TPP-3 took into account the peculiarities of the operation of nuclear reactors for icebreakers. As a result, the scheme of a small double-circuit reactor was taken as the basis of a mobile nuclear power plant. TES-3 was located on 4 components connected in series. The result was a kind of caterpillar train.
    The first compartment of the train housed the nuclear reactor itself with a cooling system. The next car is steam generators, the third part of the nuclear rolling stock is a turbogenerator. And in the fourth compartment of the mobile nuclear power plant, the entire control system was located directly.
    Despite all its mobility, TPES-3 PAES worked in a standby mode, not on the move, and was pre-surrounded with protective blocks after delivery to the desired facility.
    In addition to the TEZ-3 caterpillar train, Soviet scientists also created a wheeled mobile nuclear power plant called the Pamir. It was a military development, was used to power military systems as a backup resource. Such mobile Pamir NPPs were installed on special MAZ large-sized tractors, using the same coupling principle as a caterpillar train, on four cars. Construction - with a total weight of more than 60 tons.
    After the tragic accident of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in 1985, the use of mobile nuclear power plants in the USSR was gradually phased out.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 6 November 2015 00: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir
    This is really cool !!!

    Yeah, cool ... I would not want to fight next to such a source of energy. First you need to figure out why they are doing it. Certainly not for the cutting edge.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 6 November 2015 06: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir
    Of course, there will be a special chic if a fast neutron reactor is put there

    This is a conscious choice that minimizes the mass of mini-nuclear power plants.
    The choice of a fast neutron nuclear reactor rather than thermal neutrons is due to the fact that of all the nuclear reactors of the same given power, the fastest neutron nuclear reactors have the smallest mass and size characteristics of the core, because in the active zone there is no moderator mass, but there is only coolant and fuel.
  • Xanna
    Xanna 6 November 2015 10: 03 New
    0
    The main thing is to work with this personnel trained! And then nuclear power, of course, is the safest and most environmentally friendly ... if you handle it correctly.
    And then, knowing the Russian gouging ...

    Itself from production. Here we would have such a setup, it would be great ... but then I remember our gouging - no, it’s better not, by God, it’s not necessary! laughing
  • Yars
    Yars 6 November 2015 14: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir
    This is really cool !!! good
    It will be a breakthrough in many areas, and if wisely then in peace, in the first place. If minimization of a nuclear installation really reaches such proportions belay (sorry for the paradox) then this is just an unprecedented breakthrough. fellow
    Of course, there will be a special chic if a fast neutron reactor is put there ... Well, I already dreamed about it ... laughing

    here, do not forget about rhinestones who lays money in the budget for development data! Dmitry Anatolyevich! Here, many poured mud on him, but then under the articles with the developments for which the prime minister’s government allocates money, they write “beautiful” comments, so they could earn extra money!
  • goblin xnumx
    goblin xnumx 6 November 2015 14: 40 New
    0
    the breakthrough is the same as for example a Russian TV or phone or (I do not even hope) a laptop? :)
  • S-cream
    S-cream 6 November 2015 15: 57 New
    0
    RTG - have you heard? So it's not that a breakthrough ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 6 November 2015 17: 17 New
      0
      Personally, I am a supporter of nuclear energy in general and mobile nuclear power plants in particular, and therefore I wish the developers success. If only she could accommodate the station in one car instead of this caravan - she wouldn’t have a price!
  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 6 November 2015 19: 52 New
    0
    What kind of breakthrough are you talking about, ten years ago, the development of a low-power mine nuclear reactor was carried out, even the approximate cost was called about 90 million in dollars and it was a commercial project. In fact, a small-sized nuclear reactor is technically not such a big problem. The thing here is not at all in this. And I think that after the publication of this news in the CIA, a quiet panic began. Because the military does not really need a mobile reactor, and mobile generators are not enough for a good military unit (for example, note that huge shopping centers in large cities have almost completely switched to autonomous energy supply) Of course, one can argue that such PELMMs are needed for our army beyond the Arctic Circle. and I agree, yes they are, but they don’t need mobility. So our overseas "partners" (a helmet for them in the anus and do not care what’s not climbing) clearly got bogged down. Since otherwise, for high-energy weapons, PELMMs will not be mass-produced.
  • PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 5 November 2015 17: 26 New
    +3
    Such things are not only necessary for the army.
  • bronik
    bronik 5 November 2015 17: 27 New
    +3
    Covering with air defense and explosive forces is cheaper than transporting diesel fuel.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 27 New
    +6
    Here is a really breakthrough thing. A floating nuclear power plant is already under construction. And these kids are ideal not only for the military, but also for providing distant cities and villages. Only now it is necessary to seriously consider protection from fools, theft, theft of fissile materials, etc.
    1. venaya
      venaya 5 November 2015 17: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      A floating nuclear power plant is already under construction. And these kids are ideal not only for the military, but also for providing distant cities and villages.

      Areas of the far north where there are problems with the supply of fuel - this is the first priority for such devices. Here, not only savings, but also given the small population of these areas, security issues are solved much easier.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 40 New
        0
        security issues are resolved much easier.

        Well, I wouldn’t relax there either. Too much benefit from possessing such technologies. Moreover, not only in a peaceful way. They can steal there too.
        1. sniper
          sniper 5 November 2015 19: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          They can steal there too.

          It seems to me that such a station is needed not for the power supply of some winter house, but for the operation of some equipment requiring huge energy consumption. God knows what it is, or powerful location stations, or something else ... But this object will itself be guarded in such a way that every walrus will have the document checked ... So, they will not steal ... wassat
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 6 November 2015 00: 23 New
            +1
            The point of making it mobile? It is enough to make modular then .. and more reliable and cheaper .. The point is to put the reactor on wheels, if it is supposed to be used in difficult places? It’s easier, after all, to deliver by helicopters, by sea, and assemble on the spot ..
            1. sniper
              sniper 6 November 2015 12: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Dikson
              The point of making it mobile?

              This military secret is ... wassat
  • VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 5 November 2015 17: 27 New
    +2
    It’s not so backward, our Russia. good
    1. tracer
      tracer 6 November 2015 18: 57 New
      0
      Quote: VseDoFeNi
      It’s not so backward, our Russia.

      Not a damn thing about backwardness ... Everything is cool there at all (it just arrived yesterday).
  • FIREMAN
    FIREMAN 5 November 2015 17: 28 New
    +8
    Something similar already happened - Pamir-630D NPP.
    The 630 kW reactor unit was mounted on a special MAZ-9994 semi-trailer with a carrying capacity of 65 tons, in the role of a tractor for which was the analogue of MAZ-537 - MAZ-7960 developed for such a case. In addition to the biosecurity reactor, this unit also contained an emergency cooling system, an auxiliary switchboard cabinet and two autonomous 16 kW diesel generators. The same “bundle” drove the turbogenerator unit with the equipment of the power plant.

    In the bodies of auxiliary KrAZ vehicles there were elements of an automated control system for protection and control. Another such truck was carrying an auxiliary power unit with two 100 kW diesel generators. The result was a convoy of five cars. http://naviny.by/rubrics/tourism/2011/07/24/ic_articles_116_174489/print/
  • Diviz
    Diviz 5 November 2015 17: 28 New
    -4
    And I also heard that if you transmit current not inside the conductor but on the surface, then the efficiency will increase significantly.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 35 New
      +7
      And I also heard that if you transmit current not inside the conductor but on the surface, then the efficiency will increase significantly.

      That’s who else would understand what this electric current is, Nobel’s provided.
      But in general, they told us in physics that the current flows along the surface of the conductor, there is no current inside. Although the directional movement of electrons is.
      1. venaya
        venaya 5 November 2015 18: 03 New
        +10
        Quote: Wedmak
        .. we were told in physics that the current goes along the surface of the conductor, there is no current inside. Although the directional movement of electrons is.

        "current flows along the surface of the conductor"- they meant only alternating current. Direct current flows over the entire area of ​​the conductor, it is more complicated with alternating current. There, due to losses due to" Foucault currents (losses occur due to the occurrence of electromagnetic disturbances inside the conductor), the resistance increases sharply with increasing frequency. Therefore, in microwave devices waveguides used inside were used previously, then the power losses were significantly reduced. ”My opinion: school education needs to be improved.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 5 November 2015 18: 58 New
          0
          Bad teachers taught you. Direct current is not what is associated with constancy. Current is always the result of alternating magnetic flux. Is not it? Therefore, the frequency-amplitude parameters of variable magnetic fluxes are expressed by vectors in a completely different plane than alternating current. Therefore, in the structure of the material of the conductor, magnetic power flows are aligned along the vector corresponding to the direction of the transmission vector of the direction of the pole. But the "productive" part of the pulse still moves along the surface of the conductor, and not inside the structure "clamped" by its own magnetic force interactions of the material of the conductor. Actually, the current can be passed through any material. The current parameters can only be changed. But not all at once.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 5 November 2015 20: 32 New
            +1
            Current is always the result of alternating magnetic flux. Is not it?

            Well, generally not always. Have you ever seen the batteries?
            Actually, the current can be passed through any material. The current parameters can only be changed. But not all at once.

            Yeah, the only question is whether he will go. It looks like you forgot about the separation of materials into conductors and dielectrics. Let's not touch semiconductors yet.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 5 November 2015 21: 14 New
              0
              I am ashamed of the people for us that, having enough potential for imagination and its manipulation, we remain slaves to illusions, especially imposed by the mistakes of discoverers. People do not know how to be consistent in the correctness of their thoughts and actions. We are all mixed up. Therefore, the potential and generally the parameters of the batteries are not only calculated according to current criteria, but it is also worthwhile to analyze the balance of magnetic processes that determine the linear potential vector between the poles, but also the torque expressed by radial magnetic fluxes. It’s just that we don’t know how to analyze these relations, etc., but also to perceive the evidence of a variable impulse in the algorithm of such relations.
              The current flows through any material - the question is in determining the quality parameter of such a magnetic force flux, which forms the corresponding current. The method we are talking about allows you to create an EMF in any solid material, and accordingly, since the current is reproduced by structural changes in the magnetic processes inside the material and without external interference processes, all this becomes obvious and undeniable. Moreover, in these methods, it is possible to determine the properties of solid materials in any medium of liquids or gases at any critical levels of comparison. In other words, we can practically model not just space processes on Earth, but model the laws of such interactions in the critical parameters of interactions. Therefore, leave the theory of dielectrics and semiconductors for the past generation. since this is a theory and practice only for a particular quality of email. magnetic processes of low potential levels.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 5 November 2015 21: 24 New
                +4
                Has anyone understood what this person is saying?
                1. Xsanchez
                  Xsanchez 6 November 2015 02: 55 New
                  +2
                  Didn’t they warn you about Gridasov?
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 6 November 2015 14: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: Xsanchez
                    Didn’t they warn you about Gridasov?

                    And what is this bright personality?
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 5 November 2015 17: 36 New
      0
      And where did you hear that the current moves along the conductor inside. In order for the current to flow inside the conductor, its configuration must be different. In general, the higher the density of magnetic fluxes, the closer the current to the surface of the material.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 5 November 2015 18: 23 New
        +4
        What nonsense is that? Direct current flows throughout the cross section of the conductor. With increasing frequency, the depth of current penetration into the conductor decreases. Called - Skin effect. But these are frequencies that are not used in everyday life. And at 50 Hz, current flows throughout the entire cross section.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 5 November 2015 18: 38 New
          0
          Yes, you are talking nonsense! Structural magnetic interactions in a material will never allow themselves to "disturb" if there is no corresponding equivalent. Therefore, the current of such frequencies always goes along the surface of the material of the conductor. Or rather, the part of the current flow that is expressed in magnetic force effects, but for some reason we call it current. So read and ponder what the skin effect is again. To reduce losses on electric lines. gears need to use spin magnetic fluxes. And in general it would be worthwhile to think with your brains, and not with strangers.
          1. Down House
            Down House 6 November 2015 14: 16 New
            0
            Quote: gridasov
            Therefore, the current of such frequencies always goes along the surface of the wire

            That is, if you climb into the bath with your head, then you can let it flow in it or not? ))))
        2. venaya
          venaya 5 November 2015 18: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          What nonsense is that? ... With increasing frequency, the depth of current penetration into the conductor decreases. ... frequencies that are not used in everyday life. And at 50 Hz, current flows throughout the entire cross section.

          Throughout the section does not work. The problem is old, even the "Institute (Research Institute) of direct current" exists and works, there are their own difficulties. Losses on long-distance transmission lines of high power are huge at 50 Hertz, thick wires are made composite, in the center of low-conductivity materials, which reduces the total loss significantly.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 5 November 2015 19: 04 New
            0
            Do you know why the losses are lower in conductors coated with a certain layer of substance? Because there is a so-called “break-in" spin moment of the magnetic force flow. But it’s better to do it another way. All these are tasks of four components that you just need to build using harmonious algorithms. Why winding Slav gives a "best" result. Yes, only because the magnetic force fluxes were coordinated by a random experiment. But there is no opportunity to develop this improvement, because there is no theory, but in general everything is very simple.
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 6 November 2015 00: 19 New
            +3
            For example, steel cables coated with copper, only steel cables are used to provide strength (copper will simply break), and not to reduce losses.
            1. venaya
              venaya 6 November 2015 02: 22 New
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              Quote: sharp-lad
              ... steel cables coated with copper, only steel cables are used to provide strength (copper will simply break), and not to reduce losses.

              "not to reduce losses"- and to reduce losses, including, we get a comprehensive solution: both ours and yours, and increasing the strength and lowering the resistance of energy transfer. By the way, cheaper aluminum is used instead of expensive copper to reduce the total cost of the conductor, in this case, overall economic efficiency increases, including due to a decrease in energy loss due to the coronary effect.
          3. Xsanchez
            Xsanchez 6 November 2015 03: 18 New
            +2
            A constant current frequency of 50 hertz? Something I have not heard about this.
          4. AlexeyL
            AlexeyL 6 November 2015 16: 37 New
            0
            the distribution of flows in the conductor cross section is solved by the simplest field problem
        3. Wedmak
          Wedmak 5 November 2015 20: 44 New
          0
          Direct current flows throughout the cross section of the conductor.

          Maybe yes, it was about alternating current.

          But! I ask you to notice one thing that I said at the beginning. What is electric current, no one has yet explained. Now it is being approved, and all calculations are based on the fact that this is a stream of charged particles - electrons and ions. However, the speed of distribution of email. current does not confirm this theory, because it moves at the speed of light, which means it is an electromagnetic wave and the electron (ion) is only some part of it. But the electron has mass! So he cannot move at the speed of light.
          In general, you understand ... one after another, we get to the theory of relativity.

          Therefore, it is not clear how the current actually goes through the conductor.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 5 November 2015 21: 26 New
            0
            Not an abstract current goes along the conductor. and the interaction of magnetic force flows is formed, which can not be calculated, but build an analysis system at the level of distribution of interactions. It is in such a system of analysis that the essence of those processes that are “driven” into the theory of relativity lies.
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 6 November 2015 00: 21 New
              +1
              You haven’t been to school for a long time.
            2. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 6 November 2015 00: 21 New
              0
              You haven’t been to school for a long time.
          2. Aleksandr2012
            Aleksandr2012 5 November 2015 22: 58 New
            +1
            Electrons (ions, etc.) move at a speed of the order of centimeters per second. An electromagnetic field propagates at a speed close to the speed of light. Physics 6th-7th grade.
          3. venaya
            venaya 5 November 2015 23: 55 New
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            Quote: Wedmak
            Maybe yes, it was about alternating current.
            What electric current is, no one has yet explained ... you understand ... one by one, we get to the theory of relativity.

            "we get to the theory of relativity“- they’ve already reached, and not only theory, but some comrades too, in the style of delirium tremens. Where does the administration look?” So far, no one has explained what the electric current is “- And it is necessary? In practice we need to know its property, as far as theories are concerned, my opinion: “More theories, good and different” doesn’t hurt, because now it’s completely stagnant in physics, many people see it, but someone is really bothering to deal with it. "Theories of relativity" do not add clarity, but rather, they completely confuse everything.
            1. Xsanchez
              Xsanchez 6 November 2015 03: 12 New
              0
              In vain you are, now the best minds are working on a general theory that will unite all existing theories.
              1. venaya
                venaya 6 November 2015 17: 58 New
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                Quote: Xsanchez
                ... now the best minds are working on a general theory that will unite all existing theories.

                "better minds work on a general theory"- here it is, and I about it. Always"best minds"monopoly created a single (single) theory, which in the future and should have been subject to everything, absolutely everything. And this is the way to nowhere. Practice says that"best minds“First they create I. I. Newton’s TO, then A. Einstein’s TO, which very, very slows down the progress of scientific research. We have one institute where this whole monopoly on truth is not recognized, by the way, the famous Prof. I. KURCHATOV: Does this mean anything to you?
            2. Down House
              Down House 6 November 2015 14: 20 New
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              Quote: venaya
              "So far, no one has explained what electric current is." In practice, we need to know its property more

              Who do you want? Obviously not to learned theorists.
              In general, the more we know about the nature of a phenomenon, the more accurate and extensive are the properties of this phenomenon known to us.
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      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 6 November 2015 00: 16 New
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        This is school-level physics! Electric charges of the same name repel each other! and therefore, the current flows along the surface of the conductor regardless of its variability. Please do not confuse it with microcurrents, for example, in processors, we are talking about the movement of a few electrons.
        1. venaya
          venaya 6 November 2015 02: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: sharp-lad
          Electric charges of the same name repel each other! and therefore, the current flows along the surface of the conductor regardless of its variability.

          This news of science and technology draws on a scientific discovery. Try publishing in a scientific publication. By the way, the Research Institute of PT (DC) has been working for many years and no one knows anything about it there, please contact there too.
    3. Riv
      Riv 5 November 2015 17: 37 New
      +7
      And if right on the ground - then the worms for fishing come out themselves.
      However, I am afraid that if such a technology is implemented at a mobile nuclear station, then the miners will come out and the crew will greatly regret it.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 42 New
        +2
        that if at a mobile nuclear power plant implement such technology, then miners will come out

        I'm afraid the devils will come out there.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 6 November 2015 02: 23 New
          0
          To hell with her, with the earth! But tell me, where does it (electric current) go when you flip a switch ?! Here are two paired outlets .. in one you have a kettle turned on - there is a current ... and in the other? The circuit is not closed - is there no current? but the sockets are parallelized .. in the one that is empty, without load, are the electrons moving? And if they move, where do they "dump" energy, if the circuit is not closed and there is no load? :-))
    4. mav1971
      mav1971 6 November 2015 15: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: DiViZ
      And I also heard that if you transmit current not inside the conductor but on the surface, then the efficiency will increase significantly.


      On this subject, sellers of all kinds of High-End audio cables love to earn fabulous profits.
      They will cover the copper wire with silver and begin to sell.
      By...
      8500 dollars = per 2.5 meter 100thousand rubles per meter.
      http://www.ohgizmo.com/2010/08/24/8-feet-of-audioquest-k2-terminated-speaker-cab
      le-for-just-8450 /

      And there are believers in the surface effect :)
      1. venaya
        venaya 6 November 2015 16: 09 New
        0
        Quote: mav1971
        ... they will cover the copper wire with silver ...

        This technology has been widely used by us, he used such wires. The greatest positive effect is obtained at frequencies of tens of MHz. In this case, the quality factor of the resonance filters increased significantly. I am surprised if this is not being used now.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 6 November 2015 20: 12 New
          0
          The point is that with a genuine skin effect that occurs with a radical increase in frequencies up to hundreds of thousands of hertz, the current does not flow into the metal at all and does not even touch it - it is because of this that Tesla freely took a burning lamp in his hand - that’s the point!
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 6 November 2015 23: 58 New
            +1
            I don’t know how, as Saint Nikola Tesla, but in our hall where the transmitters were standing, any soldier could stand near the transmitter feeder with a lamp (even though neon, even with a luminescent) —and it glowed ... In full light! All the Jedi nervously smoked aside .. (and by the way, no one was drawn to the salty))))
  • svp67
    svp67 5 November 2015 17: 29 New
    +2
    With their advent, laser warheads and railguns will become operational, along with the familiar weapons.
  • sergio3004
    sergio3004 5 November 2015 17: 31 New
    +4
    Such cars would be very useful now in case of undermining the power supply to the cities of Crimea.
  • Bugivugi
    Bugivugi 5 November 2015 17: 38 New
    +10
    In 1961, the first mobile nuclear power station TES-3 was put into trial operation in the USSR; in fact, it was an experimental facility for studying the use of such nuclear power plants to provide energy for hard-to-reach areas of our vast country even now.

    “TES-3” consisted of four tracked chassis based on the T-10 tank, however, due to its large dimensions, the chassis had to be extended to 10 rollers on board. One self-propelled gun was used as a chassis for the reactor, a steam generator was installed on the second, the third and fourth self-propelled steel chassis for the turbogenerator, control panel and auxiliary equipment. Power 1,5-2 MW, the service life on one load is up to a year, the weight of one self-propelled module is 90 tons. There are 4 modules in total.

    The chassis of the T-10 heavy tank (IS-10) is elongated with an increased number of rollers and a wider track.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 5 November 2015 17: 41 New
    -5
    The concept of portable power plants using technologies for the use of radioactive materials is the road to nowhere. The same parameters and much higher energy levels can be achieved much more easily and environmentally, and in all aspects, in a radically safe way. Moreover, such a new technology can be used to treat radioactive contaminated liquid waste.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 44 New
      +3
      The same parameters and much higher energy levels can be achieved much more easily and environmentally, and in all aspects, in a radically safe way.

      Well, well, in what way? And why does the world community not know about this method?
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 5 November 2015 18: 23 New
        -5
        It seems to me that I have already written quite a lot about the fact that Maxwell’s law states that with increasing distance from a conductor with a current, the magnetic force flux decreases irregularly. Rather, this is so true if you do not make any efforts to learn how to use this principle to good use. The method and method that allows you to get an extremely high potential difference at the ends of the conductor with the application of only mechanical force is simple, as well as the fact that we move rearranging the legs. Therefore, applicable to the production of email. energy autonomous power plants of a wide scale of scale in terms of size and energy production itself, we can say that stationary nuclear power plants have no prospects. At least by the fact that many related processes are very complex and regulated. The principles that we are talking about are completely natural and differ from the methods that we apply now, only by changing the algorithms for organizing processes, but which radically change the essence of physical transformations in moving flows of environments. There are no serious people who want to change something. Therefore, I will not spread much. All parties to the dialogue should make an effort.
        1. Vladimir K
          Vladimir K 5 November 2015 19: 55 New
          +1
          Something is not clear. What is the change in the algorithms for organizing processes that radically change the essence of physical transformations in moving flows ...? Is this the discovery of new (fundamental) laws? The ultra-high potential difference is certainly interesting, but where will you get energy? Or conservation laws do not apply to you?
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 5 November 2015 20: 33 New
            +1
            Energy is a dynamic process of transforming one potential of the state of local space into another - by vector, by algorithms, by level of potential. Therefore, I did say that conservation laws are violated. Do you know what energy conservation is? How difficult is it to understand that if we live in an elastic medium, where the resistance increases with our relative speed of movement, then this elastic resistance can easily be turned into a useful energy of force directed along the vector of this resistance. In this case, a complex of energy transformation of this elastic medium occurs in the form of not ionization surfaces but ionization. Which creates variable magnetic fluxes. And more
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 5 November 2015 20: 49 New
          +1
          that Maxwell’s law that with increasing distance from a conductor with a current, the magnetic force flux decreases is incorrect

          Chegoooooo ???? That is, it does not decrease? Is increasing? Or remains constant ????
          but which radically change the essence of physical transformations in the moving flows of the environments.

          Do not powder people’s brain. Speak directly and clearly about your “method”, or stop writing abstruse nonsense, with words loosely connected to each other.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 5 November 2015 21: 32 New
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            To what extent people are funny when they see a conductor with current, but there is no type around the space of interactions. You see the sea and the horizon, but you don’t see the air, which determines the state of the wave in the dominant, as a contact surface with that medium that has energetically denser interactions. Otherwise, the water would simply cling to the upper atmosphere. Powder your brains yourself and others. Read or not read. It's your right. Not only for you is written. And learn to read not the words, but the content of the text.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 5 November 2015 21: 43 New
              0
              To what extent people are funny when they see a conductor with current, but there is no type around the space of interactions.

              You claim that the magnetic field around a conductor does not decrease with distance, right? Or isn’t it?
              but you don’t see the air, which determines the state of the wave in the dominant, as a contact surface with that medium that has energetically denser interactions. Otherwise, the water would simply cling to the upper atmosphere.

              What? In your opinion, only air does not allow water to fly to heaven ??? And "pressed against the upper layers of the atmosphere," how is that?
            2. Down House
              Down House 6 November 2015 14: 24 New
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              Quote: gridasov
              but there is no type around the interaction space.

              Well, what interaction around "space"?
  • Riv
    Riv 5 November 2015 17: 42 New
    -5
    Judging by the comments, no one noticed the main joke of the article. In the starting photo, as follows from the signature, a small mobile nuclear power station created in the USSR (ATTENTION !!!) in 1961 on the platform of a heavy tank. Explain to me, why the heck "The Minister of Defense gave the command to make a pilot project of low power nuclear plants in the interests of the Ministry of Defense" if such a project was prepared fifty years ago ???
    Did Shoigu get sick with something rare?

    And why the heck to do a mobile installation, which by definition needs a stationary power line? Will the power line also be mobile? Those who wish can calculate the parameters of the cable and the possibility of its forwarding on the ground.

    To the author: stop writing articles intermittently.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 46 New
      +5
      Did Shoigu get sick with something rare?

      The reactor technologies in 1961 and 2015 are quite different. therefore the project is a pilot. This time. The second - in 1961 there was still only a project.
      1. Riv
        Riv 5 November 2015 19: 32 New
        +1
        Truth? And what are the fundamentally different technologies? Probably uranium began to divide in a different way, and the water boils in a different way ... And yes, yes: we are introducing nanotechnology.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 5 November 2015 21: 21 New
          +1
          And what are the fundamentally different technologies? Probably the uranium began to divide differently, and the water boil differently ...

          Nothing happened with uranium. But the fuel has somewhat changed. The fuel assemblies themselves, the decay methods and systems have also changed. A lot has changed. Of course, they don’t tell about everything, but what I read has definitely changed since 1961.
          MOX fuel was tested, they intend to close the entire nuclear cycle deafly and put into operation hundreds of tons of produced fuel from old reactors. In general, in this matter we are ahead of the rest.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 5 November 2015 22: 51 New
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            Well, it’s not completely tight, what are you ... sediments ... that only send to the Sun ...
          2. Riv
            Riv 6 November 2015 05: 32 New
            0
            Well yes ... Nanotechnology. I thought so.
    2. combat66
      combat66 5 November 2015 17: 46 New
      0
      In the 61st, almost all of the electronics were on a lamp, and now on tanks! laughing
    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 November 2015 17: 56 New
      0
      And why the heck to do a mobile installation, which by definition needs a stationary power line?

      Power lines stretch the case for a couple of months. Yes, even stupidly throw on the ground a half-meter armored cable to the distribution station, also not for long.
      How much will such an installation produce? Not tens of thousands of kilowatts ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 5 November 2015 18: 46 New
        +3
        Wedmak
        "stupidly on the ground half meter repeat belay belay belay the armored cable to the distribution station is also short-lived.
        How much will such an installation produce? Not tens of thousands of kilowatts ... "

        On half a meter cable can be easily driven megawatts fellow fellow
        1. Riv
          Riv 5 November 2015 19: 37 New
          0
          Yes, I laughed too. :) :) :)
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 5 November 2015 21: 59 New
          0
          In vain you laugh, By these 50 cm I meant just the armor, and not the conductor himself.
          1. atalef
            atalef 5 November 2015 22: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: Wedmak
            In vain you laugh, By these 50 cm I meant just the armor, and not the conductor himself.

            Why does cable need such armor?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 5 November 2015 22: 15 New
              0
              Why does cable need such armor?

              But you never know ... there are a lot of deer. Even the bears say come across. )))) Okay, I agree, I went a little over with a half meter.
            2. Dikson
              Dikson 6 November 2015 00: 25 New
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              and stretch under water .. -from the island to the island .. and so on throughout the Arctic ..
      2. Riv
        Riv 5 November 2015 19: 36 New
        0
        Do you think that in the same couple of months you can mount a station without placing its blocks on mobile platforms? Which are also going to transfer by plane ...

        Is there a brick wall next to you? Tap on it with your head and think: the ability to mount power lines implies the presence of a sufficiently developed infrastructure. Moreover, the airfield implies the same. So why carry a tank chassis on an airplane?

        And by the way, yes: not tens of thousands of kilowatts. HUNDREDS. Otherwise, it is easier to dispense with a diesel engine in Kamaz.
        1. your1970
          your1970 5 November 2015 20: 01 New
          -2
          There are no problems to be solved there - a carriage, and most importantly, I repeat - the USSR did not just close all topics on mini-reactors: it is too dangerous, unpredictable in its consequences, and subsequent storage is expensive ...
          In the USSR, they still knew how to count money, at least sometimes it doesn’t seem to ...
          God be with him, from the USSR — why haven’t the hundreds of thousands of mini-Toshibov reactors since the 2003 of the year? WHY ???? !!!! Think about it ...
          1. Riv
            Riv 6 November 2015 05: 33 New
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            That's it ... The point is not that in the USSR they knew how to count money, but that nobody cares about such an installation.
          2. Down House
            Down House 6 November 2015 14: 28 New
            0
            Quote: your1970
            why the Japanese since 2003 have not blotted hundreds / thousands of mini-Toshibov reactors? WHY????!!!!

            Such a mini-nuclear power plant simply turned out to be unclaimed today, but perhaps “tomorrow” there will be “thousands” of them.
            1. your1970
              your1970 6 November 2015 20: 19 New
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              "it just turned out to not be in demand" - think why ???? for 12 years of existence, the Japanese did not rush to rivet them ??????
              There were planes and even cars with reactors ...

              "Perhaps ......." "" - and let them have thousands of them and let them toss with them ...
              The Japanese, WHY SOMETHING do not want to build them !!! stupid probably ....
              1. Down House
                Down House 7 November 2015 22: 00 New
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                Quote: your1970
                The Japanese, why, they do not want to build them !!! stupid probably

                Because they once again - there is no need to build them, they live "on an island where there are power lines every 5 meters."
    4. would
      would 5 November 2015 18: 27 New
      0
      Will the power line also be mobile?


      Why not? There are no insoluble obstacles to this, especially considering the low power.
    5. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 6 November 2015 03: 22 New
      0
      The consumer will be nearby.
  • Stas 86
    Stas 86 5 November 2015 17: 47 New
    0
    Tell me, who knows how much weight this unit has without a chassis?
    1. Stas 86
      Stas 86 5 November 2015 18: 19 New
      0
      We must strive to do one to one, well, at least one to two, that is, the mass of the installation is 2 tons - it produces 1-2 megawatts.
      1. Stas 86
        Stas 86 5 November 2015 18: 59 New
        0
        I’m sorry, I didn’t think so, at least one in five, that is, a mass of 5t. - 1 MW.
        In general, the lower the mass, the better repeat
  • veksha50
    veksha50 5 November 2015 17: 49 New
    +1
    "At first, such objects need at least 30 for areas of the Far North, the Arctic archipelagos" ...

    Yes, in the same Crimea, and in the same Siberia ... Russia is immense, and most of its territory is uninhabited ...
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 5 November 2015 17: 53 New
    0
    What a technique it came to! good
  • Kadex
    Kadex 5 November 2015 18: 01 New
    +1
    I like successes in the military construction of Russia.
    The only wish, probably, was to keep the balance and not leave the citizen unattended. We went through this ...
  • bad
    bad 5 November 2015 18: 04 New
    0
    when this is done, it will be cool! in any corner of the Arctic or somewhere far from civilization, our soldiers receive electricity for energy-intensive military communications systems, for repairing equipment (machines, welding) not only light, heat and hot water are plentiful, but also mobile communications, the Internet and other "home" charms are essentially unlimited .. really cool! if only funded! good news! fellow good
  • gas113
    gas113 5 November 2015 18: 20 New
    +4
    About 10-15 years ago I read about container mini-nuclear plants of Toshiba. What Wiki writes:


    Toshiba 4S - mini-nuclear power plants, mini-nuclear reactor.

    Developed by Toshiba in collaboration with the Japan Central Electric Power Research Institute (CRIEPI). Station 4S (stands for Super-Safe, Small and Simple, ultra-reliable, small and simple), according to the developers, should work 30 years without restarting the fuel. The reactor and the entire complex of nuclear power plants do not need constant maintenance - only occasional monitoring is needed.

    Power 10 megawatts with the possibility of creating a future 50 megawatt version. Fuel is a metal alloy of uranium, plutonium and zirconium. The dimensions of the ground structure are 22 × 16 × 11 m, the active zone is located in a sealed cylindrical shaft 30 m deep.

    4S is a sodium fast neutron reactor using neutron reflector panels around the core to maintain neutron flux density. The same panels replace the control rods, allowing you to drown out the chain reaction in the event of an accident. Toshiba 4S uses liquid sodium as a cooler, allowing it to raise the reactor's operating temperature by 200 compared to using water. The use of sodium as a cooler that remains liquid at higher temperatures compared to water allows maintaining a low pressure in the reactor at these temperatures.

    It was proposed to install the Toshiba 4S power unit at the Galena nuclear power plant, but after the closure of this project, Toshiba refused to certify the design.

    This technology can be used to create a traveling wave reactor after Toshiba and TerraPower have signed a non-disclosure agreement.

    In the USSR there was a similar design for the Elena reactor. The demonstration prototype of Elena has been successfully working at the Institute of Atomic Energy for 12 years.
  • would
    would 5 November 2015 18: 22 New
    -2
    The device from the point of view of energy production, including heat, is extremely interesting and necessary, for example, in Yakutia and other remote areas where the percentage of autonomous settlements is high where their own power plants are needed. And for a second they need to be filled with coolant constantly and often.

    Only now, as always, the security question arises. Even an ordinary nuclear power plant is a potentially dangerous thing despite the thick walls, perimeter, and a bunch of safety equipment that should prevent catastrophe, and if it happened, minimize damage. In a single phrase, a conventional nuclear power plant is a capital and fortified structure. And here the installation is almost open in KAMAZ, a wonderful target for a terrorist attack.

    Of course, there is still the possibility that the project will never be implemented.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 18: 24 New
      -6
      Quote: rait
      A nuclear power plant is a capital and fortified structure. And here the installation is almost open in KAMAZ, a wonderful target for a terrorist attack

      Yes, not just open. and autonomous and controlled via satellite.
      I wonder how much time her reindeer herders will take for metal?
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 18: 24 New
      -6
      Quote: rait
      A nuclear power plant is a capital and fortified structure. And here the installation is almost open in KAMAZ, a wonderful target for a terrorist attack

      Yes, not just open. and autonomous and controlled via satellite.
      I wonder how much time her reindeer herders will take for metal?
      1. would
        would 5 November 2015 21: 31 New
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        Well, I suspect that the reindeer herders will not be able to open the case, and the usual security will protect against such. But security from a sabotage group is a big issue that needs to be addressed.
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 November 2015 21: 37 New
          0
          Quote: rait
          Well, I suspect that the reindeer herders will not be able to open the case, and the usual security will protect against such

          And the reindeer herders are dumber than our Bedouins, who manage to throw transformers from poles, given that they are under 24 kV elastic.
          And in 20 minutes immersed in the tender
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 6 November 2015 00: 29 New
            +1
            The technology of damage to high-voltage power lines is very simple: just unscrew the nuts on the poles and drive away .. The wind drops the power line poles - the automatics turn off the current, drive up, cut the wires and if you are very lucky - quickly leave for the colorimetric reception point ..
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 5 November 2015 21: 47 New
          +1
          I remember in the days of the Soviet Union made beacons operating on RTGs. Voooot ..... Next is a picture of a gouged RTG with radiation measurements. Comments I think are unnecessary.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 5 November 2015 22: 55 New
            0
            These are the things my friends served .. Without a liter of alcohol, no one came.
        3. Dikson
          Dikson 6 November 2015 00: 32 New
          0
          In my difficult Soviet childhood, a boy who I knew from the camp, managed to turn a stolen wrench with a hammer (for cold !!) into a knife ... To be honest, I still don’t understand how this is possible ..
          1. Riv
            Riv 6 November 2015 08: 06 New
            0
            This is impossible. Vanadium-alloyed steel must not be forged when cold. Cracks and crumbles. What a little boy lied.
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 7 November 2015 00: 01 New
              0
              hell .. Maybe he stupidly turned a wrench? the bottom line is that I saw a knife with a familiar, not at all runic inscription: chrome vanadium ... rude, plain, but it was a real knife ...))
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 5 November 2015 18: 50 New
      -8
      But for some reason, it’s hard for everyone to know that such autonomous power plants have almost zero Q factor in remote areas of the Earth. Judge for yourself . Reactor zone, Heat exchange circuit. Turbine Generator. At the same time, the entire turbine can represent a single device and a reactor without a heat exchanger, and a generator immediately. Because the essence of the generator is combined with the function of the turbine.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 November 2015 18: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        . At the same time, the entire turbine can represent a single device and reactor without a heat exchanger

        a reactor without a heat exchanger? and you are going to twist a turbine? Neutrons?
        Quote: gridasov
        Because the essence of the generator is combined with the function of the turbine.

        The essence is combined belay
        The generator and turbine are always combined. being on one shaft or by means of an air coupling (gas turbines).
        Or have ideas on a belt or chain drive? wink
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 5 November 2015 19: 12 New
          -4
          Are you kidding or really missing words while reading. The function of the generator is the creation of an alternating magnetic flux in the windings located in the stator and rotor. The essence of the turbine (for nuclear power plants) is to convert the vapor pressure from the reactor at the moment of rotation on the shaft of this turbine and then through the shaft to the generator. So here I explain !!!!!. The reactor, turbine and generator perform all the separated functions of the individual devices in one device, but at different stages of the transformation of the dynamic flow of ordinary environmental matter. In other words, the processes are not scattered across various devices, but combined in one. I hope it is clear !!?
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          2. atalef
            atalef 5 November 2015 19: 31 New
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            Quote: gridasov
            Are you kidding or really missing words while reading

            I have not forgotten how to read energy in 30 years
            Quote: gridasov
            The function of the generator is the creation of an alternating magnetic flux in the windings located in the stator and rotor

            can it be easier? So that people don’t powder their brains. The generator generates an alternating electric current 9 DC generators I hope we will not remember)

            Quote: gridasov
            The essence of the turbine (for nuclear power plants) in the conversion of steam pressure from the reactor

            steam from a steam generator (i.e. a heat exchanger) of the secondary circuit
            Quote: gridasov
            at the moment of rotation on the shaft of this turbine and further through the shaft to the generator


            The turbine and generator are always !!!! located on the same shaft or connected by a rigid coupling or an air coupling in gas turbines
            Quote: gridasov
            So here I explain !!!!!. The reactor, turbine and generator perform all the separated functions of the individual devices in one device, but at different stages of the transformation of the dynamic flow of ordinary environmental matter.

            But could not be said simply - energy conversion?
            What are you powdering people’s brains here?

            Quote: gridasov
            In other words, the processes are not scattered across various devices, but combined in one. I hope it is clear !!?

            Of course, different types of energy are scattered across different devices.
            1. Reactor - energy of radioactive decay. it is converted into heat and heats the first (radioactive circuit) coolant
            2. primary coolant (already thermal energy 0 by heat transfer heats the clean and desalted water of the second circuit 9 to the state of superheated dry steam)
            3. Dry steam escaping from nozzles under pressure (converting thermal energy into mechanical energy) striking the blades of a high-pressure turbine gives up its energy and rotates the turbine. when cooling and losing pressure, it enters the low-pressure circuit of the turbine and finally cools and loses pressure, it enters the economizer. where it is drained and fed back to the primary circuit for heating.
            4. a rotating turbine, mechanical energy - rotating and twisting the windings of the generator (of course, you need to remember the pathogen. Otherwise, who will create the primary magnetic field) - creates an alternating magnetic field and the directional movement of electrons in it (converting mechanical energy into electrical)
            5. Further, electrons in a magnetic field moving in a conductor. to your apartment. where you turned on the electric kettle - converted electrical energy into heat, drank tea. and hopefully read it. my not difficult opus.
            Teach materiel
            Quote: gridasov
            I hope it is clear !!?

            to me yes, but to you?
          3. kashtak
            kashtak 5 November 2015 20: 17 New
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            Quote: gridasov
            The essence of the turbine (for nuclear power plants) is to convert the vapor pressure from the reactor at the moment of rotation on the shaft of this turbine and then through the shaft to the generator.

            how are you going to get steam without a heat exchanger? and cooling? also without? explain to the peasant.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 5 November 2015 20: 44 New
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              And why do the extra work of converting steam energy at the time of rotation on the turbine shaft. The processes of "cooling" are expressed by another term of the combined process, and the next stage also does not contradict the well-known cyclic physical processes. In addition, they are fully combined with the fact that these processes create kinetic energy of the flow, which also compensates for the energy expended. The algorithm of the total energy of the transformation of the potential energy of the substance of the flow and its kinetic energy is used. Such conditions of the turbine operation allow to carry out a very important function - this is process control. You can always get the potential much higher than with the "synthesis decay" of radioactive materials and at the same time get full control over the regulation of the process at key stages.
              1. atalef
                atalef 5 November 2015 21: 09 New
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                Quote: gridasov
                And why do the extra work of converting steam energy at the time of rotation on the turbine shaft

                Translate the phrase, otherwise my brain has boiled
                Quote: gridasov
                Processes of "cooling" are expressed by another term of a combined process,

                and from what do you think the steam in the turbine is cooled?
                Quote: gridasov
                that these processes create kinetic energy of the flow, which also compensates for the energy expended

                would you write novels. and without verbiage, in a language plebeian understandable can you?
                Quote: gridasov
                Such conditions of the turbine operation allow to carry out a very important function - this is process control. You can always get the potential much higher than with the "synthesis decay" of radioactive materials and at the same time get full control over the regulation of the process at key stages.

                (+) You, it’s necessary to manage to write 3 lines not to say not only something intelligible, but in general to create a seemingly interconnected, but not saying set of words.
                Do you happen to write a speech to officials?
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 5 November 2015 21: 19 New
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                  You are an intelligent person and correctly understood that I am not trying to teach those people who are not involved in these issues. I am looking for people who need only the thought that they go the right way. "Smart people do not explain each other - they give direction to reasoning."
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 5 November 2015 21: 22 New
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                    Quote: gridasov
                    You are an intelligent person and correctly understood that I am not trying to teach those people who are not involved in these issues. I am looking for people who need only the thought that they go the right way. "Smart people do not explain each other - they give direction to reasoning."

                    A smart person will always find a way to explain complex things in simple language.
                    Think about it. hi
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 5 November 2015 21: 29 New
                      +2
                      Alexander, this person in my opinion is not from our universe. What he says nobody understands. This set of words has never in my memory even coincided with school physics textbooks.
                      What, to whom and why is he trying to say something unknown. So I made a conclusion.
                  2. Xsanchez
                    Xsanchez 6 November 2015 03: 35 New
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                    Where does the Carnot principle go in your case?
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 5 November 2015 18: 23 New
    +1
    The idea is great, but the deadlines are painfully tight. Or is there a reserve that is modestly silent about?
    God help you!
  • Russia
    Russia 5 November 2015 18: 54 New
    +5
    In the USSR, an atomic strategic bomber in an atomic reactor was tested and FLYED! The tests took place at the Engels airbase.
    So that experience is considerable!
    Let's do it.
    1. AndreyS
      AndreyS 5 November 2015 19: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Rossi-Ya
      In the USSR, an atomic strategic bomber in an atomic reactor was tested and FLYED!

      In the USSR there was even a car powered by a nuclear engine! And not one !!!!!
      Volga-Atom

      https://www.drive2.ru/b/1827051/
      "... "Volga-Atom" In April 1965, the car drove to a test site near Seversky ..."
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 12: 02 New
        +1
        I did not know ... Directly some Fallout)))
      2. HollyGremlin
        HollyGremlin 6 November 2015 17: 50 New
        +1
        I read the article with pleasure, it’s very disappointing about the rink, now I would come in handy (
    2. diglator
      diglator 5 November 2015 20: 34 New
      +1
      ... maybe it was just a reactor that he carried with him, like the American NB-36?
    3. Rader
      Rader 5 November 2015 21: 12 New
      0
      With a nuclear-powered aircraft, the Tu-95 Bose is not a good example ... I would not say that the “bomber” is rather a flying laboratory based on the carcass ... On it, a direct-flow engine was installed that turned the territories over which the plane flew over into the "environmental disaster" zone. If memory serves, then after the first flight the project was closed ...
      1. Xsanchez
        Xsanchez 6 November 2015 03: 38 New
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        It is unclear how is this direct-flow? Missile chtoli?
  • Gunther
    Gunther 5 November 2015 19: 03 New
    +2
    The thing is undoubtedly arch-essential, especially for the Far East and the Far North, for our Crimea, by itself.
    It’s only strange that they remembered the project later
    half a century.
    But a stationary nuclear power plant has the highest level of protection against external influences (from an earthquake to the fall of an airliner), and professional security.
    For the mobile complex of nuclear power plants to provide adequate protection is a problem.
    1. Rader
      Rader 5 November 2015 21: 24 New
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      I would not say that the problem of providing protection at the place of work is so great. Since this is a project primarily for the military, there should be no problems with protection (prepared and numerous). As for the "external impact" (the fall of an aeroplan / missile / bomb / projectile), no one says that the nuclear power plant will melt right under the open sky, you can always build caponiers, etc., etc. wink But during transportation, yes, you have to be extremely vigilant ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 November 2015 19: 17 New
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    The reserve is submarine reactors. Fully autonomous, with a load of a dozen (or maybe more) years, generating not only electricity, but also the heat needed for the northern garrisons. It is clear why such a thing must be transportable, the supply will go by landing ships, and such a thing must be unloaded either by drag or self-propelled through a landing ramp.
  • 3vs
    3vs 5 November 2015 19: 17 New
    +4
    Well, that confirms my idea that in the north the army will be provided with heat and
    electricity such installations.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 5 November 2015 19: 20 New
    +3
    atalef Quote:
    ... I wonder how long her reindeer herders for metal will pull away?

    You should not compare our conscious reindeer herders with your thieving goats, even if you, in Israel, have negative experiences, be more positive :-)
  • Mestny
    Mestny 5 November 2015 19: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    Curiosity Rover (899 kg mass): "The 100 W power supply subsystem is based on a radioisotope thermoelectric generator using the decomposition process of plutonium-238 dioxide with a total mass of 4,8 kg as an energy source."

    Obviously, the design means the “classic” reactor with a coolant of one type or another, such as on a nuclear submarine.
    And with power of course not 100 watts.
    So a breakthrough is not only for Russia
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 5 November 2015 19: 53 New
    -1
    To each major American city at such a station in order of sponsorship. With short circuit timers enabled.
  • dakty
    dakty 5 November 2015 20: 38 New
    +1
    Good old RTGs, but apparently with modern technology. With the rover is not the best comparison. In the 60s we had such RITEGs, only harder, but they were for the Earth, and not for Mars, where radio and heat protection are not important. Plus RTGs in their unattended and unpretentiousness. Minus - very low efficiency
  • Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 5 November 2015 20: 45 New
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    All this, of course, is interesting, but it seems to result in another "cut." The whole situation in technical terms can be described as follows. If we take, for example, ICE, then in a real cycle about 1/3 of the fuel energy goes into useful work, 1/3 is emitted into the atmosphere, 1/3 is taken by the radiator. Nuclear steam power plant - closed loop installation, efficiency about 40%, i.e. 60% of the net power in the form of thermal energy will need to be diverted to the environment. For these purposes, at a nuclear power plant, water is used located near a reservoir, or energy is dissipated through a cooling tower. The dimensions of the pond or cooling tower are clear, so MAE may not be used everywhere. Further problems with biological protection. The mass is large, and it will have to be carried everywhere. Safety. In an emergency, it will be necessary to dampen the reactor and more than one day. Where to get refrigerant and energy for the operation of cooling pumps. If it’s military, then it is possible to undermine the installation with a break in the 1st circuit and boiling (if VVRD) of water in the reactor and then a thermal explosion. There will be no less problems with HMF (lead-bismuth, sodium) both in terms of operation and in terms of safety (there are more problems with depressurization of dirt). This is only part of what is not solved in principle. Add to this the presence of a turbine, a condenser of the 2nd circuit, a turbogenerator, an electric power strapping, it does not seem enough. And the MAE scheme in a monoblock design (proposed by some authors) does not hold water, because impossible to combine incompatible.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 November 2015 20: 59 New
      +1
      All this, of course, is interesting, but it seems to result in another "cut."

      Technology does not stand still. See which compact reactors are being built for submarines. A nuclear reactor is, in simplified terms, a bonfire heating a heating medium. What will be this coolant - water, sodium or a thermocouple, is not the point. It is quite possible to close the core tightly in a small volume, leading out only the control circuit and the first cooling circuit. Electronics has stepped far forward, control can be made almost completely automatic.
      So I do not see any theoretical problems. The only problem is technology and engineering solutions are protected and receive electricity.
      1. Vladimir K
        Vladimir K 5 November 2015 21: 22 New
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        Firstly, in addition to the reactor, the equipment includes: GTsNPK, steam generator, pumps of the 2nd circuit, turbine, condenser, condenser cooling circuit (3rd circuit), turbine generator, etc. For information, efficiency thermocouples about 3%. Electronics are electronics, but if a person’s blood circulation circuit doesn’t work, then the brain will not help. Comments are not valuable in themselves. Specialist comments are important.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 5 November 2015 22: 37 New
          0
          In addition to the reactor, the equipment includes:

          Well, on the submarine it fit in a rather compact volume. Well, yes, like an 5-story building, so there is in addition to the reactor and all the circuits, what dofig there are - weapons, life support systems and more.
          Do you not believe in the possibility of creating such a mobile nuclear power plant?
          1. xtur
            xtur 6 November 2015 15: 37 New
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            > Well, on the submarine it fit in a rather compact volume.

            the reactor core is very compact - a cylinder about 3m high and 2-3m in diameter
            wink

            the rest are related systems needed to safely convert this heat to electricity hi
          2. xtur
            xtur 6 November 2015 15: 37 New
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            > Well, on the submarine it fit in a rather compact volume.

            the reactor core is very compact - a cylinder about 3m high and 2-3m in diameter
            wink

            the rest are related systems needed to safely convert this heat to electricity hi
  • Lee_Mubai
    Lee_Mubai 5 November 2015 20: 50 New
    +2
    I think this mobile nuclear power plant is perfect for laser weapons, which consume a huge amount of email. energy !!!
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 5 November 2015 21: 05 New
    +2
    In general, the problem is then solved, if the first nuclear bomb barely fit into the bomber, now the nuclear bomb is in the form of a 152 mm shell. So the development of a power plant with a capacity of 500 kilowatts that fits in the kung and the size of the reactor itself with about a suitcase is essentially a matter of time and money.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 21: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: ZAV69
      So the development of a power plant with a capacity of 500 kilowatts that fits in the kung and the size of the reactor itself with about a suitcase is essentially a matter of time and money.

      If you take an electrician, then the last discovery was in my opinion in 1905.
      Power energy has not changed much since the basic constants are stiff and at least turn over, but to drive a current over 1 amperes through 4 mm square copper so that the conductor does not heat up to 65 degrees (I do not take into account forced cooling) is not possible.
      This is why everything dances.
      Of course, I understand that now everyone will break loose and start yelling about high-temperature superconductivity - maybe when it will.
      In the meantime, this is just talk.
      Until there is a breakthrough in conductors and insulating materials - all this verbiage about the most powerful power plants in a suitcase, on wheels, etc. - will remain empty talk.
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 5 November 2015 22: 38 New
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        Well, if you take the most ordinary GMC700 diesel generator for 500 kilowatts, which weighs 5 tons and fits in a kung, discard the diesel from it and replace it with a rector with a turbine, then in principle we will get the same thing, only you will not need 100 liters of diesel fuel every hour, a small village for the eyes. The problem is solved .... The question is money and desire
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 November 2015 22: 47 New
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          Quote: ZAV69
          Well, if you take the most ordinary 700 kilowatt GMC500 diesel generator that weighs 5 tons

          open version, 7 tons in a casing

          Quote: ZAV69
          discard the diesel from it and replace it with a rector with a turbine, then in principle we will get the same

          not work out
          Quote: ZAV69
          just do not need him 100 liters of diesel every hour

          He will not need anything, maybe what you wrote is impracticable
          Quote: ZAV69
          The question is money and desire

          Well, of course, spending $ 100 billion and creating an entire industry - you can certainly save something very small - deer will like it.
          For this money alone, it would be possible to provide the whole tundra with electricity much easier.
  • for_White_Only
    for_White_Only 5 November 2015 21: 38 New
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    Quote: zennon
    Quote: atalef
    in the Crimea began to build the Crimean nuclear power plant. simply because of the reactor of the same type with Chernobyl.

    Don’t talk nonsense! 2 VVER-1000 reactors (Water-Water Energy Reactor) were built at the Crimean NPP. The first was 80% ready and the second 18% ready. Four RBMK-4 reactors (Channel Reactor High Power) in Chernobyl. Of course Chernobyl influenced, but the main thing was that by the end of the 1000s, as a result of the “perestroika”, her mother, the country simply ran out of money. In 80, they closed the construction site and began to take the station away ...


    Only to be honest, the money ran out before perestroika, in 82
  • for_White_Only
    for_White_Only 5 November 2015 21: 40 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Quote: i80186
    Quote: atalef
    Actually water. What do you think? Do you know what is principle carnot? 7 primary and secondary cooling circuit

    No, actually. . laughing

    I did not doubt it
    Quote: i80186
    For example, think about how the processor in your computer dissipates 50 watts using a fan and a hefty aluminum radiator, and a soldering iron does the same without it.

    A head that would be in it
    Quote: i80186
    Thermodynamics - she is, yes

    Victim of the exam laughing

    Prince Carnot? victim ege)
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 22: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: for_White_Only
      Prince Carnot? victim ege)

      I can, I'm 25 years old abroad. laughing
      1. Aleksandr2012
        Aleksandr2012 5 November 2015 23: 04 New
        +1
        Here, many of the knowledge in physics remained at the level of the elementary grades, while others turn into verbally paranoid delirium. And you tell them about the Carnot cycle)))
  • Dikson
    Dikson 5 November 2015 21: 58 New
    +4
    Lord, it feels like the MO are feverishly raking everything off the shelves, just to grab a piece of the budget .. What is the debate about ?! In our country, so much free energy is generated ... Nuclear technology is a super-serious production .. Which ensigns and sergeants will service such systems? Regarding the far north and military points, even in Antarctica, tell me, what prevents you from simply taking already developed, tested compartments from the nuclear submarines, and putting them on a pontoon, for example? Both the proven technologies and the equipment - there is already .. the boat is outdated - they cut out the reactor compartment, put it on the pontoon and towed it where necessary .. Regarding the caterpillar monster - You know, in 60-70 years, excuse me, our scientists and military In my opinion, they were much more adequate, unlike the current Skolkovo sawmills .. Rosatom is constantly developing new reactor protection systems, and here .. - a mobile bomb .. On the tracks .. And what to do with it if an elementary "goat" happens? Climb in the middle of the road with your bare hands? And what about the weight? on which bridge will these radiant boxes pass ..?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 November 2015 22: 09 New
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      What ensigns and sergeants will service such systems?

      They will create a separate nuclear power regiment in the engineering forces, with trained officers. Business then. On the submarine, not the ensigns are watching the reactor ..
      But what prevents just taking already developed, proven compartments from the nuclear submarines, and putting them on a pontoon, for example?

      It interferes with the fact that a steam generator with a turbine must be screwed to these compartments. and to them also a generator. And a management system. Do we have many similar blocks? How to check the life of a cut reactor? And a bunch of similar questions.
      and here .. - a mobile bomb .. On the tracks .. And what to do with it if an elementary "goat" happens? Climb in the middle of the road with your bare hands? And what about the weight? on which bridge will these radiant boxes pass ..?

      It is unlikely that one machine will be more than 55 tons. Tanks also carry railway transport. Tutu is the same garbage.
      Well, if something happens. Are there many accidents on the submarine? I think, nevertheless, this installation will move with the reactor turned off, the danger is minimal. And on the spot, a system of protective structures will be deployed.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 6 November 2015 01: 57 New
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        what's the point then in tracked (wheeled) mobility? The reactor is not a diesel engine, you won’t get it into operation in three minutes and you won’t extinguish it like a cigarette butt .. Ugum .. a system of protective structures .. -the company’s construction battalion drags lead bricks and wraps four tracked conveyors with polyethylene finger thick .. Drivers of tractors will in lead underpants, but you don’t have to shave ..)
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 6 November 2015 06: 56 New
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          what's the point then in tracked (wheeled) mobility?

          The point is not to use another technique. Let's say the ice airfield - winter came, the ice got up, they locked the mobile nuclear power plant with ships, put it where necessary, connected it. Everyone is happy. But then they saw that the ice cracked ... it does not matter, rolled back to another place.
          Another example has already been voiced here - a new weapon. But still I think they will be more focused on the Arctic - there is electricity and heat, it is life and comfort. To build a stationary object in permafrost is another challenge. A helicopter will not lift more than 20 tons.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 7 November 2015 00: 05 New
            -1
            The ice airfield is completely serviced by a conventional diesel station .. Besides, every military station, whether it is an RCF, RSBN or PRMG, has its own independent power sources .. Why a nuclear power plant if a regular diesel generator manages ?? ??! Ponty clumsy ..
  • Old26
    Old26 5 November 2015 22: 12 New
    +1
    Actually an interesting counting system
    “Preliminary data on the project should be submitted to the military department by the end of the year,” Konyushko specified. - Then, according to the procedure, we are entering a full-fledged R & D project, which will end with a technical project, this is a year or two. Then we go out on the experimental design work and the manufacture of a prototype. We have to submit it in four to five years, that is, to 2020 year. "

    According to him, it is also necessary to prepare mass production for 2020, since now "there is no production base that would serially produce these things."

    Preliminary data by the end of the year. Full-fledged research - 1,5-2 years, plus OCD and the manufacture of a prototype of 4-5 years. Research will begin in 2016 PLUS two years - 2018. Plus FIVE years - 2023 (to the maximum). At least 1,5 plus 4 = 5,5 years. 2016 PLUS 5,5 - almost 2022. And how he wants to with such terms in 2020 will receive. Plus, there is no production base yet. Will they succeed in 4 years? Jokers

    Quote: arane
    Not only boats, all ships and vessels with nuclear power plants are prohibited in the World Cup

    That's right. Because of this, during the Olympics in Sochi, “Peter” was forced to stay in the Mediterranean and carry out his mission while there. Calling, and exclusively for repairing the EMNIP, is possible only if the ship (vessel) was built in the countries of the Black Sea basin. for example, if they built Ulyanovsk, he would have the right to go to Nikolaev for repairs

    Quote: shans2
    haha, already in the 60s there was TES-3, and in the 80s there were two more advanced TES-7,8, which were cut a year after Chernobyl, having only time to experience a year ...

    But only TES-3 EMNIP also did not work long, it seems until 1966, because, as they say phonyl

    Quote: KazaK Bo
    Do it done! The only question is - who and how will protect this object ... primarily from terrorist attacks ... or simply - from shelling with a 120 mm mortar or howitzer .... not to mention high-precision missile defense ...

    Chukchi reindeer ride a mortar? Or howitzer at once?

    Quote: MIKHAN
    I’m sure that this is not science fiction, but reality! Kulibins in Russia did not go extinct and see the drawings for a long time gathering dust in the table (in Khrushchev) ... Well, God forbid! The right thing for our vast territories ...

    This is still fantastic. Only suggestions, then research, then OCD. And where to do not yet. How many will they do per year? 2 or 3 no one knows. Or is it the same amount (2-3) in 2-3 years? And the claimed quantity of 30 pieces is 10 years at best. And even then, first the tests, and for at least a year, and then "we will see"
  • Old26
    Old26 5 November 2015 22: 13 New
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    Quote: Irokez
    Well, not so much a breakthrough as miniaturization. For example, the spent block of a nuclear submarine that was written off is cut out with a compartment and adjusted to the point of need by water, and you can give electricity.


    Quote: 34 region
    In my opinion, in the USSR they were going to make a floating power station. Type for the north.

    And should have been called "North"

    Quote: ZAV69
    In general, the problem is then solved, if the first nuclear bomb barely fit into the bomber, now the nuclear bomb is in the form of a 152 mm shell. So the development of a power plant with a capacity of 500 kilowatts that fits in the kung and the size of the reactor itself with about a suitcase is essentially a matter of time and money.

    In fact, the charge and the reactor are slightly different from each other. After all, cooling, biosecurity, a control system will also need to be attached to this "suitcase"
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    1. Dikson
      Dikson 5 November 2015 22: 19 New
      +1
      As far as I know, the Northern Lights (though with wintering) were conducted along the Northern Sea Route back in 1971-72 ... Somewhere there was a photo of me .. it was specifically a floating power station ..
      the cost of servicing such an assembly ?? Well, we were taken to the islands in the Arctic, powered up the base .. -noteworthy .. The reactors in general are routed twice a year .. How to conduct it there? How to overload fuel? Or stupidly drown in the ocean waste? The reactor is without maintenance .. control through the satellite .. Yeah .. and so that the satellite is one to all reactors .. - drown it out, and a lot of Chernobyl at all military bases .. and you don’t have to fight .. Excuse me, but my opinion is - such things should be stationary, protected and independent in management .. We know such "batteries" ... -A pair of people who are familiar with radiation as a result of maintenance .. Here you won’t be saved with an awl ..
  • Vintcsent
    Vintcsent 5 November 2015 22: 35 New
    0
    Hmm ... but they are needed for something specific !!! It’s just that money is not invested in the army, which means there is a reason why this MOBILE station is needed ..... There’s a big field for thought))) Hah)) For example, charge the Exoskeleton ...
  • leon1204id
    leon1204id 5 November 2015 22: 43 New
    0
    http://maxpark.com/community/4532/content/1431617
    Description of a miniature 25 megawatt nuclear reactor and a size of 1,5 meters! Now Available.
    And Russia has been harnessing for a long time: http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2406087
    Perhaps we also have projects of portable generators with a capacity of 25-30 MW.
    After all, no one thought that the Caliber would fly 1500 km (according to other sources, up to 2600 km)
    Our designers always speak Aesopian language, maximum- "Wait for surprises" bully
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 November 2015 23: 02 New
      0
      Quote: leon1204id
      http://maxpark.com/community/4532/content/1431617
      Description of a miniature 25 megawatt nuclear reactor and a size of 1,5 meters! Now Available.

      Well, there are a few things with which you did not mention and with which I would argue
      25mW - not enough for 20t families.
      Metal coolant reactor
      Dimensions not indicated
      Well, development (only a project) - and no sale at all --- much less pay in bucks. The company is American.
  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 5 November 2015 23: 20 New
    0
    Good and necessary technology. And in a peaceful life is very useful. TTX would hear. Just need to think that all sorts of bandits could not be used as a dirty bomb.

    Quote: leon1204id
    http://maxpark.com/community/4532/content/1431617
    Description of a miniature 25 megawatt nuclear reactor and a size of 1,5 meters! Now Available.
    А bully

    Well, as far as I know, no one has a reactor (worker) with a liquid metal coolant (coolant reactors). Except Russia, no one now possesses and implements these technologies)))
    Here is an example www.nikiet.ru/images/stories/NIKIET/Tematika/Bystrie_reaktory/brest_rus.pdf
    The heat carrier is lead. Very promising technology.
  • alessio
    alessio 5 November 2015 23: 28 New
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    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/70040/
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 6 November 2015 00: 25 New
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    Of all types of gas turbines for mini-nuclear power plants, helium turbines have the smallest mass-dimensional characteristics. To cool helium at the exhaust of a helium turbine, helium-water heat exchangers have the smallest mass and size characteristics, similar to those used in the Saber engine of a Skylon hypersonic airplane, or in the pre-cooler of the Scimitar engine. A diagram of a helium-air heat exchanger is shown in the figure.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 6 November 2015 00: 35 New
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    Scimitar engine helium-air heat exchanger module
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  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 6 November 2015 00: 36 New
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    Viper engine pre-heat exchanger module
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 6 November 2015 00: 51 New
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    In internal combustion engines to increase efficiency Ceramic cylinders have long been used. Ceramic heat exchangers made of SiC ceramics or metal tubes with ceramic coating are also promising for heat exchangers of mini-nuclear power plants to increase their service life. Ceramic heat exchangers have high temperature resistance, which allows to increase the temperature of the compressed hot helium at the entrance to the gas turbine and increase the efficiency NPP. In the photo - ceramic helium-air heat exchangers made by chemical bonding and extrusion. Photos of helium-air heat exchangers see at http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/tech_docs/Heat%20exchanger%20development%20at%2


    0REL%20IAC%2008%20C4.5.2.pdf
  • korvin1976
    korvin1976 6 November 2015 01: 34 New
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    In fact, they did not come up with anything particularly new, such things were created earlier. Moreover, the picture for the article just shows one of these settings.

    http://www.gradremstroy.ru/news/samoxodnaya-atomnaya-elektrostanciya-maloj-moshh
    nosti.html

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%28%D0%90%D0%AD%D0%
    A1% 29

    The fact that they again decided to take up such a development is, of course, excellent. Important help.
    Again, if you manage to reduce the weight and dimensions, and increase the output power, it will be just super.
    New, this is well forgotten old
  • Gilev georgy
    Gilev georgy 6 November 2015 03: 25 New
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    One I thought of electromagnetic guns?
    1. Alexxeg73
      Alexxeg73 6 November 2015 09: 01 New
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      I also thought that you could stir up some kind of laser or something more energy-intensive. Do you imagine the means of electronic warfare on such an energy?
      1. Gilev georgy
        Gilev georgy 7 November 2015 20: 20 New
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        Reb on such an energy, it seems to me, is dangerous for personnel. A comrade served as a signalman, talking about tropospheric transmitters and yellow grass around
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 6 November 2015 04: 46 New
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    Valery Leontyev’s parents have reindeer herding vets. They also dragged flowers in the tundra at the time. They have one dream of bringing more color to the country and dumping them in one country. You can’t see them on the map, but it’s flying to the tundra.
  • Samarin
    Samarin 6 November 2015 06: 34 New
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    “At first, such facilities need at least 30 for the regions of the Far North, the Arctic archipelago. They can be delivered to their home base by airplanes or helicopters, ”said Konyushko.

    That's right, let’s spoil with radiation the "regions of the Far North" and the "Arctic archipelagos", otherwise it probably isn’t there yet.
  • misterwulf
    misterwulf 6 November 2015 10: 07 New
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    Really cool! A couple of these to us in the Crimea for sea trials! bully It is necessary to experience, but it will not be superfluous to us. True, IMHO here you will need a battalion of chemical protection to begin with.