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Russian trucks GAZ-3308 passed exam in Syria

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In photographs from Syria, Russian GAZ-3308 Sadko all-terrain vehicles appear more often than Tanks and armored personnel carriers. Trucks have proven themselves both among government forces and their enemies, writes in his article for Messenger of Mordovia Roman Katkov.


Russian trucks GAZ-3308 passed exam in Syria


The first batch of Gas-3308 was sent to Syria 10 years ago. Before signing the contract, the Syrians made the cars hard tests. ATVs successfully coped with them. True, some improvements were made to the brake system.

According to the author, “a turbocharged diesel engine is capable of accelerating a car weighing about 6,5 tons to 100 km / h. “Sadko” can overcome the slopes of 35 degrees and the ford with a depth of 1,2 meter. ”



“Since the Syrian army practically abandoned the use of outdated BTR-60PB and OT-64 armored personnel carriers, Sadko became one of the main means for ensuring the mobility of infantry units,” the author writes.

If in the Syrian army, trucks were initially used only as a means of delivering personnel, then, falling into the hands of militants as trophies, they turned into combat vehicles equipped with large-caliber machine guns, small salvo fire systems and other weapons.



Now, as part of government troops, it is increasingly possible to see brand-new “lawns” with twin ZU-23 in the bodies.

According to the information posted on the Internet, there are currently about 200 GAZ-3308 vehicles in the Syrian army. Russian military experts are talking about much more.

“In any case, everything suggests that the Russian cars are successfully passing the exam in a war in this region,” the author concludes.

Photos used:
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
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  1. fregina1
    fregina1 5 November 2015 12: 24
    +7
    Replace the portrait .... and buy into our army! wink
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 5 November 2015 12: 29
      62
      Yes, in Syria, the campaign passed all our exam.
      1. Truth
        Truth 5 November 2015 12: 41
        52
        Hodovka GAZ-66, the motor is not moody from the tractor, and most importantly - the cabin, thank God they removed an uncomfortable shed.
        In short, the car is not bad!
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        2. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 5 November 2015 13: 03
          74
          GAZ-3308 is a "shishiga" brought to mind with a normal cab and gearbox, and with a diesel engine. It is impossible to recall the "ergonomic" cab and especially the GAZ-66 gearbox with its amazingly "comfortable" gear shifting without shuddering. But on the other hand, the GAZ-66 was out of competition in cross-country ability.
          And it’s best to test military equipment in combat conditions, nowhere are the drawbacks and shortcomings in the design more clearly visible than in war. But at the same time, it is highly desirable that soldiers of an alien friendly army break in this equipment, but under the close supervision of our specialists.
          I have the honor.
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 5 November 2015 14: 04
            22
            Quote: Aleksandr72
            with a normal cab and box,


            The box was normal there, just because of the shape of the cab, the lever was in an uncomfortable place!
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 8 November 2015 09: 26
              0
              But getting into this cabin is good until 35 years, and later some may have problems. I would refrain from such comparisons: anyway, how to compare the T-34 1941 of the year and the T-34-C (high-speed) 1943. Outwardly complete similarity, but inside we get T-34 +++.
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          3. mitrich
            mitrich 5 November 2015 21: 32
            17
            Guys, no doubt, the car is good for the army, war. Simple, nothing superfluous, repairable in the field, relatively cheap, until the first shell. In the army, these are needed.
            It's bad that we have the same in civilian life, the army rules in everything. It turns out as in the song: "and you are like in a war ....". For work, our lawns (gas-53, gas-3307, gas-3709, .... etc.), KAMAZ, Urals are a quiet horror! crying
            You can throw with ssany rags, but I, almost all my life, including the army, in the car industry. And according to Peter, he worked on lawn-tills, and walked in long-range, incl. over the hill (eastern Europe, Finca) at Kamaz. This is BDSM in its purest form.
            You wish the enemy, compatriot, no. negative
            1. sergnow
              sergnow 6 November 2015 22: 34
              +5
              Strange, you, some kind of ... with strange rags! Why are you so opsiruy that many people respond not bad. About KamAZ and Urals I have a normal opinion, for such a price these are excellent cars. That's just spoiling them now with electronics. And the fact that I went over the hill is not an indicator. In short, don’t clever our cars for our country is exactly what you need!
              1. Miner
                Miner 7 November 2015 12: 52
                +4
                I, too, for the sake of the fatherland, but I must note that the same "Magirus" at one time was still much better for our realities than the domestic "KamAZ".

                This is a fact.

                And I honestly don’t even imagine what arguments this fact can be challenged ...


                PS
                And also my colleagues of that time, but not "dumpers", but "timber trucks", praised the Japanese "Fuso", next to which the domestic "KrAZ", as they say, did not lie around ...

                Until now, we remember the German "Magiruses" and the Japanese "Fuso" as the best examples of technology, with which fate had a chance to meet in working life.

                PPS
                The bulldozer drivers of our then "UMS" (construction mechanization department) were extremely pleased with the productivity, ease of use, and most importantly, RELIABILITY with Japanese Komatsu bulldozers.

                Very, very satisfied.

                This is also an indisputable fact.


                In general, the phrase: "In short, do not be smart about our cars for our country the most that is needed!" does not allow him to take it seriously.

                For everything is not so ... To my sincere regret :(
              2. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 8 November 2015 09: 38
                0
                Quote: sergnow
                for such a price these are excellent cars.

                Actually, there should be just normal cars that can compete with others on an equal footing, a high price or a small one depends on how much the car will work for this money. When we were looking for an alternative to the ZiL, we asked for an American truck for review. So you can imagine, the Americans hired a private owner with his car and sent him to the ZIL. The machine worked for 10 years, and ours thought that they had been sent a new one.
                The driver is asked: "What was being repaired?" "I changed the batteries and a complete oil change." No matter how much such a car cost, she didn't take a cent ... a cent for repairs.
            2. Old old
              Old old 7 November 2015 23: 18
              +1
              Quote: mitrich
              ... I went in a long distance, incl. over the hill (eastern Europe, Finca) at Kamaz. This is BDSM in its purest form.

              What prevented going to Volvo and DAF?
              Or does the price-quality-cost of ownership ratio still matter?
            3. Old old
              Old old 7 November 2015 23: 18
              0
              Quote: mitrich
              ... I went in a long distance, incl. over the hill (eastern Europe, Finca) at Kamaz. This is BDSM in its purest form.

              What prevented going to Volvo and DAF?
              Or does the price-quality-cost of ownership ratio still matter?
            4. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 8 November 2015 09: 28
              0
              But in the first place it was necessary to put the "loaf".
          4. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 20: 01
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr72
            with its amazingly "comfortable" gear shifting without a shudder is impossible. But on the other hand, the GAZ-66 was out of competition in cross-country ability.

            I studied at this. I was comfortable. smile
            1. sergnow
              sergnow 6 November 2015 22: 38
              +4
              And I worked on a "sheshiga" shift camp and I won't say anything bad, but what can I say bad about the car I drove into the taiga without any admonitions!?! And "Sadko" I think is a worthy replacement, but there the engine is already hung with electronics, and this is not good!
          5. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 7 November 2015 01: 58
            +1
            the outboard location of the engine was not from the bulldozer - weight distribution - it’s also the reason for the legendary cross-country ability — the bonnet arrangement of the new engine changes the weight distribution –– I don’t say exactly, the cross-country ability will be different — and I think it’s not for the better
          6. Old old
            Old old 7 November 2015 23: 13
            +1
            GAZ-3308 is a "shishiga" brought to mind with a normal cab and gearbox, and with a diesel engine. It is impossible to recall the "ergonomic" cab and especially the GAZ-66 gearbox with its amazingly "comfortable" gear shifting without shuddering. But on the other hand, the GAZ-66 was out of competition in cross-country ability.

            GAZ-66 is a car, created SPECIALLY for the Airborne Forces in a rigid mass-dimensional framework. It can be parachuted. "Sadko" is a good car, but not for the landing. The design of the cockpit is related to the requirements of the TK for the possibility of landing.
            Remember the size of the airborne compartment of BMD and BMP. For the sake of the opportunity "from heaven to battle" you have to sacrifice something.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 8 November 2015 09: 45
              0
              Quote: Nursing Old
              Remember the size of the airborne compartment of BMD and BMP. For the sake of the opportunity "from heaven to battle" you have to sacrifice something.

              Here you are wrong! Remember the dimensions of the BMD-3. Everything here depended on the "ship and its cargo compartment".
        3. science fiction writer
          science fiction writer 5 November 2015 13: 15
          16
          Quote: Truth
          Hodovka GAZ-66, the motor is not moody from the tractor, and most importantly - the cabin, thank God they removed an uncomfortable shed.
          In short, the car is not bad!

          We are in the north on the GAZ-66 Nissan diesel put FD-42: or -46 together with the gearbox
          The car turns out good There is no price.
          1. Name
            Name 8 November 2015 03: 33
            +1
            The same way as on the UAZ "Bukhanochka" to install the TD-27 engine with a mechanical winch. Will creep out of ANY ... recourse situation. hi
        4. The comment was deleted.
        5. Vlvl
          Vlvl 12 December 2018 17: 43
          0
          It's not bad, but throw the cab. It rots in the Russian climate. And just not comfortable with bad switches and stuff.
      2. gav6757
        gav6757 5 November 2015 13: 22
        13
        In the Soviet army, she kept all the technical exams, only after that she went into the national economy.
        That is why, any breakdown could be repaired with a screwdriver and pliers !!!
        1. BABA SHURA
          BABA SHURA 5 November 2015 18: 13
          +1
          At the same time, the efficiency on fuel consumption is simply terrible. As an example, our UAZs. Machine constructor
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 5 November 2015 20: 12
            17
            Quote: BABA SHURA
            At the same time, the efficiency on fuel consumption is simply terrible. As an example, our UAZs. Machine constructor

            After I got acquainted with some samples of European military vehicles, I got a lot of respect for the UAZ .. we just have a "comfortable limousine", it turns out! wink
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 6 November 2015 19: 32
            +2
            Quote: BABA SHURA
            At the same time, the efficiency on fuel consumption is simply terrible. As an example, our UAZs.

            Yes, not so much fuel consumption on modern UAZs in its class. Just no one rewrote the rules for fuel cancellation smile
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 7 November 2015 21: 27
              +2
              nerd.su (2) SU Yesterday, 19:32
              Yes, not so much fuel consumption on modern UAZs in its class. Just no one rewrote the rules for fuel cancellation smile

              And thank God, salaries are also not often rewritten, at least something to compensate for, should this injustice. Then it would be time to pay extra for savings (and not a penny, but real), then the expense would greatly surprise everyone. belay
          3. sergnow
            sergnow 6 November 2015 22: 45
            0
            Yes, what are you saying, old woman?! UAZ on fuel and lubricants normally fits in and the designer blurted out something awkward. Take similar foreign ones and compare if you make sure that our dzhipyars lose in nothing and are not inferior. Well, you don’t have to open a bazaar is in the courtyard with friends for sevens nonsense ...
      3. NIKNN
        NIKNN 7 November 2015 21: 12
        +4
        mirag2 (4) RU November 5, 2015 12:29
        Yes, in Syria, the campaign passed all our exam.

        Everything that has passed the test in Russia will withstand the campaign everywhere. what
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      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 5 November 2015 12: 37
        +4
        There is a lot of running-in in real combat conditions.
        1. gjv
          gjv 5 November 2015 13: 05
          20
          Quote: subbtin.725
          There is a lot of running-in in real combat conditions.

          Of D-30 Fucked and eat pomegranates. laughing Then T-72B pulled up. Shilku charge. Of PM-43 pulled a mink. The house has an Orthodox icon. Passenger cars and motorbikes are not ours along the road. And here BMP-2 our.
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 5 November 2015 12: 39
      +4
      And what? the machine is good ... at all times!
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    5. Sweles
      Sweles 5 November 2015 12: 48
      11
      Our army abandoned these gas engines; at the summer exhibition of armaments, these MOs sold for cheap; therefore, the lack of demand for our army turned out to be in demand for the Syrian army, as well as the old Kalash, T55, all that had long been stored in the arms depots went to Syria for war.
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 8 November 2015 09: 57
        0
        Quote: Sveles
        Our army abandoned these gaziks

        So in the American army of World War II it is not possible to see motorcycles that were widely used by the Germans, somewhat less than K.A. The Russian army goes to a different degree of existence when the miserable is not quoted.
    6. Ruslan
      Ruslan 5 November 2015 12: 51
      +5
      armored, armored, they must be armored. it’s suitable for such exercises, but armor is needed for war. and even without Syria, it was known that Russian trucks are good drivers.
    7. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 13: 18
      +5
      Quote: fregina1
      Portrait to replace .... and purchase in our army

      We refused them, in Syria now those same cars. What we wrote off.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 5 November 2015 13: 56
        11
        Sadko SA has not only animals, but also elephants. repeat
        Syrian Arab Army strikes IS positions in Dar'a with Elephant rockets
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 6 November 2015 15: 49
          +6
          ...... GAZ elephants ..... not a weak argument !!! and the car ..... will endure a lot ...... including gasoline ... not euro .... and wire repairs. And whatever the "clever guys" say ..... the car is ... the MACHINE hi
  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 5 November 2015 12: 25
    10
    Another portion of positive advertising, which may affect the sale of GAZ products.
    1. Russian Uzbek
      Russian Uzbek 5 November 2015 12: 40
      +6
      "Sadko" is a development of the late 80s! these machines were supposed to replace the gas-90 in the 66s, but for reasons known to all, they did not grow together ...
      GAZ tried to launch these trucks in a series for a very long time
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 5 November 2015 12: 25
    +7
    The same "shishiga" with the dviglom brought forward.
    1. avt
      avt 5 November 2015 12: 29
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The same "shishiga" with the dviglom brought forward.

      That, but not that.
      Quote: fregina1
      Replace the portrait .... and buy into our army!

      Already a new range of models with a single cab and for the Urals also the GAZ group issued.
    2. LukaSaraev
      LukaSaraev 5 November 2015 12: 32
      11
      Have you heard anything about the "meter of life"?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 5 November 2015 12: 36
        -6
        Quote: LukaSaraev
        I haven't heard anything about the "meter of life"

        And why are you doing this?
        1. 16112014nk
          16112014nk 5 November 2015 12: 43
          10
          Does the approximate length of the engine mean nothing?
        2. Truth
          Truth 5 November 2015 12: 48
          12
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: LukaSaraev
          I haven't heard anything about the "meter of life"
          And why are you doing this?

          This is because in lateral projection, from the front bumper to the driver's "Faberge" is exactly one meter.
          In a head-on collision, drove if survives, then 100% crippled.

          This applies specifically to the GAZ-66.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 5 November 2015 12: 51
            +3
            Quote: 16112014nk
            Does the approximate length of the engine mean nothing?

            Quote: Truth
            This is because in lateral projection, from the front bumper to the driver's "Faberge" is exactly one meter.
            In a head-on collision drove if survives, then 100% cripple.

            I know about the driver’s saying, I don’t understand how sideways she is to my first post? belay If I wrote
            Quote: Vladimirets
            with forward dviglom.

            request
            1. Truth
              Truth 5 November 2015 13: 32
              +5
              Quote: Vladimirets
              I know about the driver’s saying, I don’t understand how sideways she is to my first post? If I wrote
              Quote: Vladimirets
              with forward dviglom.

              And nobody touched the motor, where it was and stayed there, there was a layout - a cabin above the engine (GAZ-66), became - a cabin behind the engine (GAZ-3308).

              What are we arguing about?
              1. svd-xnumx
                svd-xnumx 5 November 2015 20: 29
                +2
                And nobody touched the motor, where it was and stayed there, there was a layout - a cabin above the engine (GAZ-66), became - a cabin behind the engine (GAZ-3308).
                And the center of gravity has also changed and the car can "take" greater slopes.
          2. AlexeyL
            AlexeyL 5 November 2015 14: 01
            +5
            Not a collision, but an explosion.
            1. LukaSaraev
              LukaSaraev 5 November 2015 15: 12
              +3
              Thank. That is exactly what I had in mind. Guys. there was an Afghan. Forgot ?
            2. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 8 November 2015 10: 17
              0
              There is a video where our generals are checking a foreign APC for detonation with a dummy. When the front wheel hits, the mannequin is in the sieve. "Here, look" - say our people and drive the Urals to undermine. Run over with the left front wheel on a mine, the dummy is intact. Rear wheel collision - Ural has lost a wheel and continues to move. There are also Novosti chronicles, when the police are trying to stop the Urals with a drunk driver: Makarov five shots at the door of the Urals and not a single penetration. The operator showed the door in close-up - only dents.
          3. neri73-r
            neri73-r 5 November 2015 14: 09
            +4
            Quote: Truth
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: LukaSaraev
            I haven't heard anything about the "meter of life"
            And why are you doing this?

            This is because in lateral projection, from the front bumper to the driver's "Faberge" is exactly one meter.
            In a head-on collision, drove if survives, then 100% crippled.

            This applies specifically to the GAZ-66.



            Not only this, with a mine blast on the 66th, the death of the driver or passenger is almost guaranteed, where the cabin is shifted back, the chance to survive is much greater!
          4. tor11121
            tor11121 5 November 2015 14: 16
            +2
            head-on collision is more likely for civilians. In the shishig, the driver's seat was on the wheel, with a mine blast you understand what is happening. The cabin is hinged in terms of engine maintenance, it’s much more convenient, I lifted it and here it is, the whole engine. , all better than cancer under the hood. So everywhere its pros and cons.
          5. Kadex
            Kadex 5 November 2015 17: 08
            0
            Quote: Truth
            In a head-on collision ...

            Well, the problem here was not this, but the explosion of a mine under these same "Faberge".
          6. Down House
            Down House 6 November 2015 14: 58
            +3
            Quote: Truth
            This is because in lateral projection, from the front bumper to the driver's "Faberge" is exactly one meter.
            In a head-on collision, drove if survives, then 100% crippled.

            And the hood in this case has nothing to do with it.
            1. Impact in 99% of cases below the Faberge line and in 80% in the wheel, and then usually leave the road and turn over.
            2. There is a "non-deformable" frame, with a powerful accident the body either flies off the frame, or the body is intact, and the carrier sits in it "like a living".
            3. Therefore, the hood itself in an accident does not play a role, but only affects undermining.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 5 November 2015 12: 49
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          And why are you doing this?

          Who went on the 66th, he will understand! wink
        4. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 8 November 2015 10: 10
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          And why are you doing this?

          In a loaf, the blow falls on the driver, and in 469 on the engine, this is called "an extra meter of life". It was because of this that the 66th was also removed from civilian life.
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 5 November 2015 13: 31
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The same "shishiga" with the dviglom brought forward.

      Yes and wrong. In geological exploration, this car proved to be excellent, but only a diesel option. From the first, gasoline was disposed of as soon as the cars ran 120-150 thousand kilometers. Diesel engines have lower fuel consumption, much higher traction moment due to long connecting rods and a five-speed gearbox. Disadvantages were noted right away. Yes, uncomfortable seats, especially when you had to change the driver, he really didn’t have to rest. Sadko polnostyu.Tam shaft where a diesel engine is easily passed, then laden shishiga and gasoline Sadko could zastryat.Dviglo and also differs in the piston and golovke.S car he pulls better.
    4. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 8 November 2015 10: 07
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The same "shishiga"
      cockpit shifted back!
  4. Barboskin
    Barboskin 5 November 2015 12: 27
    +5
    Decent receiver GAZ-66.
  5. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 5 November 2015 12: 28
    +6
    Well done! Still, to restore ZIL, for competition, at a new technological level and not in the center of Moscow.
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 5 November 2015 12: 35
      +3
      Alas! ZIL kirdyk unambiguous! As a builder, I know about development plans for his entire territory. Housing, business centers, shopping centers.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 5 November 2015 12: 48
        +1
        Quote: armored optimist
        Alas! ZIL kirdyk unambiguous! As a builder, I know about development plans for his entire territory. Housing, business centers, shopping centers.

        Question? Was it planned to transfer production to Yartsevo, was the engine plant ready there?
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 5 November 2015 12: 38
      +1
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Well done! Still, to restore ZIL, for competition, at a new technological level and not in the center of Moscow.

      So this is Kamaz
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Still, to restore ZIL, for competition, at a new technological level

      Yes, make him a decent cabin, and then some sort of barn - the old 130th was much more elegant. Here gazovtsy made a beauty!
    4. creak
      creak 5 November 2015 15: 07
      +3
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Still, to restore ZIL, for competition, at a new technological level and not in the center of Moscow.


      In the subject of ZIL.
      At one time, ZIL 157 trucks formed the basis of the automobile troops of the Egyptian army - they proved to be just fine, despite the simply barbaric operating conditions (sandstorms, the corresponding "level" of skill of local drivers and repairmen, etc.) And in terms of cross-country ability in the desert, where everything gets stuck in the sand, he simply had no equal ... (The attitude towards GAZ 66 was more restrained.)
      I know this not from other people's words, since I had the opportunity to travel a lot on them during my service in a group of military advisers ...
      1. mitrich
        mitrich 5 November 2015 21: 40
        -9
        So ZIL 157 is a Soviet tracing paper from Studebaker, in its purest form. So thanks to the technical genius of Amer.
        1. beer-youk
          beer-youk 5 November 2015 22: 10
          +6
          My young friend! Before throwing such remarks, study the materiel! If the ZiS - 151 is still purely outwardly (the filling is different) can be pulled by the ears to the legendary "Studer", then the ZiL - 157 has nothing in common with it, including fasteners (bolts, nuts, rivets, etc.). And, by the way, about tracing paper, the American "Tucker-Torpedo" - the sales champion of 1948 - is the GAZ-20 "Pobeda" (the beginning of the design in 1944, the launch in the series - 1945) on a 1 to 1 scale.
          1. mitrich
            mitrich 5 November 2015 22: 49
            -6
            For a young man, thanks, flattered, moved ... crying Maybe not tracing paper, but it is taken as a prototype, no doubt.
            And what is not seamless ... licensed in our automobile industry? Virtually everything. Gas, Moskvich, Vaz, Kamaz. Everything is foreign. Let's do it without false jingoism.
          2. theodore rasp
            theodore rasp 5 November 2015 23: 27
            +1
            Why so abruptly? It's just that this citizen watched films about the war of the 80-90s, where the roles of the Studebakers were played by the ZIL 157s. And constructive differences, often fundamental, are known and interesting only to auto specialists and auto-fanatics. And for the amateur - 3 bridges and burdock wings - this is "Studer" without options! And by the way, "Tucker-Torpedo" has rear lights of a different shape than "Pobeda", so, for information!
          3. Down House
            Down House 6 November 2015 15: 03
            +1
            Quote: beer-youk
            American "Tucker-Torpedo" - the sales champion of 1948 - this is GAZ-20 "Pobeda"

            You are confusing something.
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_(%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B1
            %D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C)
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 7 November 2015 21: 46
              +2
              Down House RU Yesterday, 15:03
              Quote: beer-youk
              American "Tucker-Torpedo" - the sales champion of 1948 - this is GAZ-20 "Pobeda"

              You are confusing something.

              You are absolutely right. these cars do not stand nearby, which only the engines stand, and the outline is very much approximate, the style of those years, no more, like a bunch. lol
        2. tolancop
          tolancop 5 November 2015 22: 26
          +4
          Can not be!!! I would never have thought .... Single-tire rear tire on ZIL and 2-pitched on Studer. The tire inflation system on Amer was not at all, as far as I know ... Rummaging around, there are still many differences. Of course, there is a similarity: both trucks, both with 6 wheels and four-wheel drive. The bodies are very similar. But by these signs, the student can be recognized as tracing paper from our ZiS-6 ...
          Studer - a good car for its time. A ZIL-157 - an unforgettable truck !!!
          1. mitrich
            mitrich 6 November 2015 14: 23
            -3
            Well, look, hurray-patriots, what remains of purely domestic in our automobile industry now? Only arguments are not necessary: ​​here the bumper was replaced, the brakes were strengthened, and here, hoo-hoo !!!, already squeezed the domestic gearbox. Also say that, for example, GAZ-66, GAZ-69, a purely Soviet development ... lol
            Do not turn into dill, it’s them, Poroshenko dissects on a domestic, independent letak ...
          2. mitrich
            mitrich 6 November 2015 14: 23
            -1
            Well, look, hurray-patriots, what remains of purely domestic in our automobile industry now? Only arguments are not necessary: ​​here the bumper was replaced, the brakes were strengthened, and here, hoo-hoo !!!, already squeezed the domestic gearbox. Also say that, for example, GAZ-66, GAZ-69, a purely Soviet development ... lol
            Do not turn into dill, it’s them, Poroshenko dissects on a domestic, independent letak ...
  6. DenZ
    DenZ 5 November 2015 12: 29
    +7
    It's nice to see Russian technology under the Syrian banners.
    1. ussrex
      ussrex 5 November 2015 13: 20
      +6
      And it’s even more pleasant when Russian equipment is under Russian banners!
  7. bad
    bad 5 November 2015 12: 31
    +7
    our technique is not used to off-road and extreme operation .. smile
    1. Lis_Domino
      Lis_Domino 5 November 2015 12: 56
      +1
      and this is bad, I would like to drive on good roads and without extreme
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 5 November 2015 13: 50
        +3
        Quote: Lis_Domino
        and this is bad, I would like to drive on good roads and without extreme

        I agree with you, but this car was created for off-road use. We had one geological section, so it could be reached by swamps on a tractor or on the Gaz-3308 or KAMAZ-43118, other cars could not pass without a swamp tractor. So these are 80 kilometers KAMAZ and a sick tractor took 8-9 hours. Sadly due to the lower weight in 5,5-6 hours.
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  8. Altona
    Altona 5 November 2015 12: 45
    11
    Replace the portrait .... and buy into our army!
    ----------------------
    It will not work, it has been discontinued .. "Lawn Next" has come to replace it - this is already a car-kosmolit, filled with foreign content and with a plastic face ... And this "GAZ-3308" from Soviet times was created as an automobile for the village, completely a metal cabin so that you can fix it by simple welding, simple and cheap parts, everything is very Spartan, but everything is for ease of maintenance ... Good cars, long-suffering and unpretentious ...
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 12: 57
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      It will not work, out of production .. Replaced by "Lawn Next"

      Next - too "glamorous" for the army. There is one optics worth something! For a civilian, that's the thing, but for the army, 3308 is better.
      1. Altona
        Altona 5 November 2015 15: 40
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        Next - too "glamorous" for the army. There is one optics worth something! For a civilian, that's the thing, but for the army, 3308 is better.

        ------------------
        For the army, at one time, they made a ZIL-131 on 92 gasoline, in order to ride around Europe, also with a simplified cab with chopped shapes ... And "Lawn Next", of course, not for the army, for a citizen ...
  9. kultiapin
    kultiapin 5 November 2015 12: 46
    +3
    The car is excellent, it’s that the sands of the desert, that the snow of the Arctic, all one thing.
  10. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 5 November 2015 12: 51
    10
    Unfortunately, a considerable% of GAZ sales goes to the pocket of the oligarch O. Deripaska, who did not go to the pot when GAZ released its products in the USSR.
  11. Vishnevsky
    Vishnevsky 5 November 2015 12: 56
    +5
    Shakes in the back of this "Sadko" so that you can give your soul to God. On the roads kidneys may well come off.
  12. v1tz
    v1tz 5 November 2015 12: 57
    +4
    Well so, unpretentious car, jumped and went, what else is needed in the war ...
  13. Maksus
    Maksus 5 November 2015 12: 58
    +4
    Sadko is a good car. The cabin is far superior in terms of comfort to shishigu - the seats are comfortable, the gear lever is not behind, the clutch is synchronized. Plus hood layout. For the rear services - that’s it!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 15: 10
      +2
      Quote: Maksus
      synchronized clutch

      ??? Maybe all the same box?
  14. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 5 November 2015 13: 02
    +3
    purely workhorse. Without pontov. Performs a task. As in advertising would say "no time to break"
    1. Maksus
      Maksus 5 November 2015 13: 04
      +3
      Yes, even if it breaks, it is easily repaired by a hand-held fighter. Proven in practice.
  15. individual
    individual 5 November 2015 13: 06
    +2
    In Syria, you can run in everything you need: weapons, equipment, politics, and the army.
  16. Wolka
    Wolka 5 November 2015 13: 06
    0
    fishless fish and cancer, but generally credited, as in Russian traditions, cheap and cheerful ...
  17. donavi49
    donavi49 5 November 2015 13: 08
    +7
    So the answer is simple, that they bought it and they are fighting ... True, the broads respect the car, even they installed the GRAD on it.
    1. Down House
      Down House 6 November 2015 15: 06
      +2
      Quote: donavi49
      True and the broads respect the car, even the city was mounted on it.

      And what is the accuracy of such a Grad interesting on such a light chassis?
      1. Camel
        Camel 7 November 2015 09: 41
        0
        But no! They don’t care what to shell at home, schools, hospitals, just to get into the city.
  18. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 5 November 2015 13: 23
    +2
    Then they drive on trucks not from a good life. An APC is eating more fuel. With fuel strained. There were articles, tanks were also transported by truck to the front line.
    1. lastjoke
      lastjoke 5 November 2015 13: 51
      +3
      Quote: Fibrizio
      Then they drive on trucks not from a good life. An APC is eating more fuel. With fuel strained. There were articles, tanks were also transported by truck to the front line.

      So that’s normal. The tank should only ride on the battlefield - the chassis, however, the resource is the fastest. And its repair is not a tank to refuel
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 5 November 2015 14: 44
      +4
      Syrians drive trucks because of the absence of these armored personnel carriers. At one time, Syria bought BTR 40 and BTR-152. When their resource began to go to zero, our BTR-60 bought it. From the sixties, the Syrians honestly were quickly upset, two benzyl engines drove the mood For this reason, they were quickly sent for storage. By the time of the conflict, sixty had turned into scrap metal. The first BTR-80 appeared after the operation to destroy chemical weapons (ours left), which are now being used to their fullest. Well and the last N-82A.
      at the expense of transporting tanks to the forefront, the Syrians are just fine fellows, they are saving the resource of the fleet of armored vehicles that has been reduced by the four-year war.
  19. Arharynets
    Arharynets 5 November 2015 13: 38
    22
    After Gaz66, the car is really very convenient, but as a person operating the Gas 33081 for four years in very harsh conditions, I can add:
    1. The D245 engine is unpretentious and reliable enough, but because of the powerful torque it constantly cuts the crosses on the industrial shaft (56 thousand mileage, 16 crosses), when installing a more powerful cardan, it breaks the razdatka.
    2. The brake system is one minus.
    3.Body-tin can made by Krivoruk "masters" (cannot be compared with Soviet ones from gas66)
    4. Permeability-0t gas 66 is better only in snow. Dirt, sand due to the increased weight of the "muzzle" and a stronger engine digs in itself.
    5. And the main thing is the quality of the metal - all from rawhide.
    As always, a good idea and fun performance.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 5 November 2015 13: 54
      +3
      The only expert commentary on the case.
      It’s too early to rejoice ... There is still work to do.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 5 November 2015 14: 12
      +5
      Quote: Arkharinets
      As always, a good idea and fun performance.

      Countryman in many ways you are right, but I hear about the crosses for the first time. Where our lawns didn’t go to the crosses, there were usually no complaints. The brake system agrees. For the metal I agree completely, even the first gasoline ones were much stronger. cars, bodies, cabs and something else were taken away, but there weren’t much complaints except complaints about the frame. Between the cab and the body, the frame often burst near the fuel tank bracket.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: Arkharinets
      As always, a good idea and fun performance.

      I wonder how long does this last? Does the plant do anything to eliminate the identified shortcomings or nevermind? I’m sure that in a nightmare I don’t dream that the plant will eliminate the design defect at its own expense, and let’s recall the car for repair …… ..
    4. Down House
      Down House 6 November 2015 15: 08
      +1
      Quote: Arkharinets
      1. The D245 engine is unpretentious and reliable enough, but because of the powerful torque it constantly cuts the crosses on the industrial shaft (56 thousand mileage, 16 crosses), when installing a more powerful cardan, it breaks the razdatka.

      And the question is, what were they thinking when they put such a powerful engine on a standard transmission?
      And yet, you did not write anything about the frame, is it really good?
    5. Deaddakon
      Deaddakon 6 November 2015 16: 08
      0
      competent commentary by the operator)
  20. Arharynets
    Arharynets 5 November 2015 16: 02
    +6
    This tendency (quality of parts) is observed in almost all equipment newly supplied to the subdivisions. Kroilovo harms the defense industry worse than many "partners" with purchases. If earlier the "knocked-out star" was the main quality mark, now there is no guarantee as such at all. "illiquid" by sawing the dough was pushed into the Armed Forces. And all in all, you need to adopt a law like in China, army equipment broke down through the fault of the manufacturer - there is only one article: undermining the defenses and treason. ...
  21. Clueless
    Clueless 5 November 2015 16: 03
    +5
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    GAZ-3308 is a "shishiga" brought to mind with a normal cab and gearbox, and with a diesel engine. It is impossible to recall the "ergonomic" cab and especially the GAZ-66 gearbox with its amazingly "comfortable" gear shifting without shuddering. But on the other hand, the GAZ-66 was out of competition in cross-country ability.


    And of the lowest quality, the constantly rotting cabin is worth it, and the frame too :) And by the way, shishigi before perestroika have a current rust at the rear of the cabin in the wing area maximum (there is such a bad feature) - because they knew how to paint and use normal metal.

    And the installation of a winch on a cage, this is generally a joke - the bumper sticks out generally in order to make it like on the 66th, you have to redo the whole mug yourself.
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 November 2015 16: 47
    +3
    In Syria, a direct competitor is Toyota Hilux. And for the money and for the purpose. And the Lawn is lucky better, more and everywhere.
  23. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 6 November 2015 09: 32
    +1
    We will already call them "Syrians" ... soldier
  24. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 6 November 2015 10: 55
    +2
    gas 66 was developed by a woman .. got Lenpremia (and this is not a little in the USSR) but !!! GOOD apparatus .. not unimaginable kanesh .. and even the Urals with 131 ahead .. so the 4th honorable and still light .. 3-5 tons of electric winch is enough .. but less than 10 CTs are not enough for the same ural
  25. tolancop
    tolancop 6 November 2015 12: 41
    +2
    Quote: mitrich
    For a young man, thanks, flattered, moved ... crying Maybe not tracing paper, but it is taken as a prototype, no doubt.
    And what is not seamless ... licensed in our automobile industry? Virtually everything. Gas, Moskvich, Vaz, Kamaz. Everything is foreign. Let's do it without false jingoism.

    MAZ-543, VAZ-2121 "Niva", UAZ-469 ... Continue?
  26. Arharynets
    Arharynets 6 November 2015 13: 15
    +3
    Shishiga received not only Lenpreem, but also an international prize for installing a CV joint on a truck. When working on the 66th, I always remembered her chief designer as I compared the landing in it with a gynecological chair. Compare gas 66 and 33081 with 131 and the Urals, especially Hilux is somehow not correct. This is a car of a completely different class and different functional tasks. In this niche we had a very interesting development - a zil with a cab from a bull-calf with the same 245 engine and vertical drive axles. The car was somewhat reminiscent of Unimog. It is a pity that I did not go into the series.
    1. Down House
      Down House 6 November 2015 15: 10
      0
      Quote: Arkharinets
      vertical drive axles

      Are you talking about wheel gears, or what?
    2. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 7 November 2015 15: 10
      0
      Quote: Arkharinets
      Shishiga received not only Lenpreem, but also an international award for the installation of SHRUS on a truck.

      It is not clear what the international award is for? SHRUS, i.e. constant velocity joint, used on trucks since the appearance of leading axles with steered wheels on them.
  27. Former tank crew
    Former tank crew 6 November 2015 13: 33
    +1
    In fact, nothing new has been invented. A bonnet version was made on the same chassis. Plus a serial version with a diesel engine. GAZ drivers are great, they feel what the army and people need! Take Volga, for example. If such has outlived itself as a class, there it is. You have to do what you do well, these are our harsh realities.
  28. python2a
    python2a 6 November 2015 13: 52
    0
    Better not to come up with advertising.
  29. mosquit
    mosquit 6 November 2015 19: 27
    0
    Photo 2012-2013. They probably weren't left, I'm talking about cars ...
    Pay attention to the equipment of the personnel, only the beginning of the civil war. Pay attention to faces, everyone is cheerful and confident ...
  30. Balbesoid
    Balbesoid 6 November 2015 23: 05
    0
    Quote: avia1991
    Quote: BABA SHURA
    At the same time, the efficiency on fuel consumption is simply terrible. As an example, our UAZs. Machine constructor

    After I got acquainted with some samples of European military vehicles, I got a lot of respect for the UAZ .. we just have a "comfortable limousine", it turns out! wink

    Right In the American praise in front of a tarp, behind a wooden bench - at least in the form in which we got from Canada! request
  31. lecturer
    lecturer 7 November 2015 19: 10
    0
    "The lawn is cute!" And something like a military "lorry" looks like (?) Perhaps by Russian heritage, with the same persistence overcomes the Syrian military paths!
  32. tolancop
    tolancop 7 November 2015 19: 38
    +1
    Quote: Leshy74
    the outboard location of the engine was not from the bulldozer - weight distribution - it’s also the reason for the legendary cross-country ability — the bonnet arrangement of the new engine changes the weight distribution –– I don’t say exactly, the cross-country ability will be different — and I think it’s not for the better

    Not only weight distribution requirements gave the GAZ-66 a cabin above the engine. I have read many times that the development of the "shishiga" went under the requirements of the airborne troops and it was required to fit the car into a certain size in order to fit on the plane
  33. Old old
    Old old 7 November 2015 23: 43
    0
    Quote: ruslan
    armored, armored, they must be armored. it’s suitable for such exercises, but armor is needed for war. and even without Syria, it was known that Russian trucks are good drivers.

    Do you propose replacing an armored personnel carrier (vehicle for delivering vehicles to the line of contact with the enemy) or infantry fighting vehicles (vehicle on the battlefield and direct support) with an armored truck?
    Or do you mean by war a conflict of low intensity, guerilla?
    And even in this case, it is necessary to book a car carrying l / s. In other cases, the considerable weight of the armor eats up the payload. A war is the transportation of not only people, but also a large number of various cargoes: ammunition, spare parts, products, water, etc., etc.
  34. CRASH
    CRASH 8 November 2015 03: 25
    +1
    The news is one better than the other, you still about IZ motorcycles in Colombia write an article how they withstand fat asses, an exam.
  35. Chauffeur
    Chauffeur 8 November 2015 05: 13
    0
    At the 66th, there were hooks on the window racks, for a hanging gomak, in which you can sleep, unlike 33
  36. Alexstrigin
    Alexstrigin 8 November 2015 10: 10
    0
    Our equipment will pass all exams.
  37. serge siberian
    serge siberian 8 November 2015 12: 50
    0
    back in the late 70s, being a kid, I heard from a 157 adult on a air filter that kapron tights were put on and forward along the sands.
    about the metal for the cab: in the 90s pros.ra.listalevars of Russian! banned high-quality brands to smelting European tycoons! here we are doing the interstate agreement. that’s where the legs grow from.