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Media: Russia and India will sign a contract worth $ 10 billion

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Russia and India have agreed to sign a large contract for the supply of C-400 “Triumph” missiles, reports Look with reference to the United News of India.




The amount of the transaction will be $ 10 billion (700 billion rupees).

"The conditions, including the price of the transaction and the number of supplied systems to be acquired, were agreed at the meeting of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental group," the statement said.

The contract, presumably, will be signed in December of this year during the visit to Moscow of Prime Minister Narendra Modi. At the same time, apparently, an agreement will be signed on the lease of the Russian nuclear submarine of the Yasen project.

Earlier it was reported that the government of India approved the purchase from the Russian Federation of 12 sets of C-400.

If the information provided by the Indian edition is correct, then this contract will be the largest stories cooperation between the two countries.
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  1. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 4 November 2015 11: 42
    +21
    Then, apparently, an agreement on the lease of the Russian nuclear-powered submarine of the Ash project will also be signed.


    What the hell is this? Maybe all the same pr.971 "Pike-B"?
    1. Sweles
      Sweles 4 November 2015 11: 55
      +11
      10 mlr. ? -That's ours, take it like that. The truth is that the tractor-chassis will probably want its own.
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 4 November 2015 12: 10
        +13
        Quote: Sveles
        10 mlr. ? -That's ours, take it like that.

        "... We have already received orders in the region of $ 18 billion. Today we have a portfolio of orders in the region of $ 45 billion ..." - said the general director of Rosoboronexport Anatoly Isaikin
        The volume of contracting for 10 months in the amount of $ 18 billion means a significant success of the Russian special exporter and a return to the level of 2012 when the volume of new contracting reached $ 17,6 billion at the end of the year. In 2014, Rosoboronexport signed new contracts for $ 13 billion, that is, there is already an increase of almost 50%. Taking into account the remaining two months, as well as other companies entitled to conduct foreign economic activities in the field of arms export, the volume of new contracts by the end of the year may approach $ 20 billion
        taken from http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 4 November 2015 14: 52
          +10
          let them first sign and pay, and then we'll talk. And then the Indians are famous for their: I will - I will not, I want - I do not want. They sign it, then they freeze it, then they revise it.
      2. marlin1203
        marlin1203 4 November 2015 12: 16
        +1
        10 mlr. ? -That's ours, take it like that. The truth is that the tractor-chassis will probably want its own.
        Yeah! .. on buffalo traction! laughing
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 4 November 2015 12: 30
          +6
          Quote: marlin1203
          10 mlr. ? -That's ours, take it like that. The truth is that the tractor-chassis will probably want its own.
          Yeah! .. on buffalo traction! laughing


          indian tata
          1. edge
            edge 4 November 2015 14: 11
            +3
            Quote: Sveles
            Yeah! .. on buffalo traction!

            my friend, assess the conditions of the terrain - if it is advantageous to drag in the jungle or mountains on the bulls and drag them, in 43 our guns and camels were rolled out quite successfully
        2. self-propelled
          self-propelled 4 November 2015 15: 42
          +2
          Quote: marlin1203
          Yeah! .. on buffalo traction!

          if necessary, then buffalo draft ...
          only in India, in addition to the local TATA, there is licensed production of other trucks (for example, Daimler, Tatra (as the most famous))
      3. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 5 November 2015 04: 49
        0
        True chassis-chassis surely want their own.

        So Russia will not be able to deliver its own - the first tests passed only in October.
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    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 4 November 2015 11: 57
      +10
      Well, I consider this acquisition of India to be excellent! You must always start with air defense! Otherwise, everything else will turn into scrap metal and trash .. Russia has a lot of experience in this matter!
      1. figwam
        figwam 4 November 2015 11: 59
        +16
        Russia and India agree to sign a major contract for the supply of S-400 Triumph air defense systems

        The amount of the transaction will be $ 10 billion.

        This is victory!
        And China is really looking forward to these complexes.
        So C-500 for Russia is already on the way.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 4 November 2015 13: 46
          +14
          Quote: figvam
          So C-500 for Russia is already on the way.
          We would also buy the S-300 for happiness, if too business-like gentlemen were in no hurry to sell what is not in abundance in their army. Speak, S-500, and the S-500 will come, the same traders will push it as soon as possible, the same China and India will not refuse, but we will wait for the S-600 with the same optimism? The war is already wandering around, the whole world is arming itself, it would be time to think about yourself, I repeat, the generous "shoemaker" himself would not have turned out without "boots".
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 4 November 2015 14: 54
            +6
            I, too, am a supporter of myself first arming both the CSTO and then China and India.
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 5 November 2015 00: 12
              +3
              Quote: Maxom75
              I, too, am a supporter of myself first arming both the CSTO and then China and India.

              Of course it is, but export deliveries bring real money, which you can already build weapons for yourself. Economy!
              Or do we have a dollar machine?
              1. Drёma
                Drёma 5 November 2015 02: 56
                0
                And besides, both China and India, in the first place: cover our southeastern borders;
                and secondly: being more confident in their security, they will become more actively "allied"
                in the case (God forbid, of course) of our conflict with the United States.
          2. red_october
            red_october 4 November 2015 17: 49
            +5
            I think the sale of such key weapons as C-400 oversees the GDP itself. He gave permission to sell C-400 to China.
            And it may very well be that the currency received for C-400 immediately flows into the C-500 project.
            You can’t stand still, but constantly improve air defense, and it costs money
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          4. X Y Z
            X Y Z 4 November 2015 19: 28
            +3
            Honestly, I do not believe our state-owned businessmen and do not highly value their business qualities. A real sales manager must be born and, in addition, also receive a specialized education. And then for a long time and stubbornly grow under the supervision of experienced mentors. And in our similar organizations, very different qualities play a large role. And only a certain contingent gets there. That’s the result - we’re selling not what we want, but what we order. The client behaves as if it were the client’s market right now, despite the fact that there are not many similar offers, both in quality and price. We are constantly pressed, both in price and in terms of nomenclature and services, and we behave as clerks, and not as reputable manufacturers. From the outside, all this looks very unsightly. And a completely different picture is observed in relation to American sales. Watch and learn to respect yourself.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 4 November 2015 23: 17
              +1
              Quote: XYZ
              Honestly, I do not believe our state-owned businessmen and do not highly value their business qualities.
              I agree with you. A good businessman, figuratively speaking, will sell the Eskimos snow in winter, or sand in the desert for Bedouins, but here, having not exhausted the sales potential of an earlier product, they are in a hurry to start selling the most modern, but there’s no need for that. This is despite the fact that we often have piece production, we give priority to work for export, and production capacities are limited. What often happens with such sales is, in principle, sabotage of the rapid rearmament of the Russian army. In addition, we sell not for gold, but, as a rule, for despicable dollars, not directly, so indirectly, helping the US economy. Yes, you can justify everything, find explanations, but, in any case, priority should be given to your army and your fleet. Such types of armaments should be singled out, which are primarily supplied only to the Russian army. At this stage, C-400 can easily be attributed to this, until your army is saturated with this technology, until an already completed replacement for a more modern one arrives.
        2. edge
          edge 4 November 2015 14: 15
          +5
          Quote: figvam
          And China is really looking forward to these complexes.
          So C-500 for Russia is already on the way.

          unlike China, Indians behave more civilized-do without arrogant thefts, appropriation and duplication under their nomenclature
        3. Bongo
          Bongo 4 November 2015 15: 10
          +8
          Quote: figvam
          So C-500 for Russia is already on the way.

          S-500 air defense system is not an air defense system in the direct sense of the word. The main purpose of a very expensive and complex C-500 will be missile defense and the fight against goals in the near space. In the near future, the basis of the airborne missile defense system should be the modernized ones: C-300ПМ2, С-400 with a new long-range missile system and the medium-range C-350 system - which should replace the decommissioned C-300PS.
        4. Drёma
          Drёma 5 November 2015 02: 45
          0
          Such a serious supply of India may well push China to increase the volume,
          and Pakistan for a more specific interest.
          And no less financial component for us is important protection from US attempts
          (which means both economic stability and political independence)
          our southeast neighbors.
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 4 November 2015 12: 01
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Otherwise, everything else will turn into scrap metal and trash .. Russia has a lot of experience in this matter!

        laughing laughing laughing
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 4 November 2015 12: 09
          +7
          The only bad thing is that we ourselves are sitting on the morally obsolete S-300, and we are pushing the S-400 to all banana republics. We buy their loyalty with the most advanced technical samples, and even then friends are not very loyal. This is where we differ from the United States - under their banner countries go themselves, voluntarily and in full enthusiasm, and for the sake of the Americans they are ready to go to any hardships ... And our partners verbally express their commitment to our ideas only in order to milk we have more blessings and go over to the Americans.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 4 November 2015 13: 00
            +5
            Quote: Basarev
            The only bad thing is that we ourselves are sitting on obsolete S-300s, and we are pushing S-400s to all banana republics.

            Do you know the terms of delivery of the S-400? The likelihood of a hidden agreement on a very interesting topic with "banana" republics such as China and India is very high.
            In addition, the "morally" outdated s-300 should be replaced not by the s-400, but by Vityaz, which is already in the series. Yes, and the S-500 needs money. There are a lot of them, in the sense of both
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 4 November 2015 15: 12
              +5
              Quote: Tusv
              In addition, the "morally" outdated s-300 should be replaced not by the s-400, but by Vityaz, which is already in the series.

              I apologize, but the C-350 tests were to be completed only at the end of the 2015 year, it is too early to talk about mass production.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 4 November 2015 15: 15
                -3
                Quote: Bongo
                I apologize, but the C-350 tests were to be completed only at the end of the 2015 year, it is too early to talk about mass production.

                Do not confuse with 500? Dates coincide
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 4 November 2015 15: 22
                  +8
                  Quote: Tusv
                  Do not confuse with 500? Dates coincide

                  With regard to the S-500 air defense system, you are showing unjustified optimism. About serial production of C-350, and in particular about missiles for him, too, is not talking. In the best case, he will begin to enter the troops through 2-3 of the year. Do not forget also that you still need to prepare calculations for it.
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 4 November 2015 16: 26
                    0
                    Quote: Bongo
                    About serial production of S-350

                    Such devices are very necessary, because I really want to faster. Infa says that the S-350 is already in production and with two types of missiles. Which is very pleasing. The S-500 was planned for production at the end of next year.
                  2. figwam
                    figwam 4 November 2015 17: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Bongo

                    With regard to the S-500 air defense system, you are showing unjustified optimism. About serial production of C-350, and in particular about missiles for him, too, is not talking. In the best case, he will begin to enter the troops through 2-3 of the year. Do not forget also that you still need to prepare calculations for it.

                    The operation of the S-500 is planned to begin in the army in 2017, specialists began to be trained from the beginning of 2015.
              2. Amurets
                Amurets 5 November 2015 09: 54
                0
                Quote: Bongo
                I apologize, but the C-350 tests were to be completed only at the end of the 2015 year, it is too early to talk about mass production.

                Hello Sergey! There were reports that Vityaz passed the tests at the end of August. There is a question about setting up production and weapons. I can not find a link to the source.
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 5 November 2015 09: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Amurets
                  Hello Sergey! There were reports that Vityaz passed the tests at the end of August. There is a question about setting up production and weapons. I can not find a link to the source.

                  Greetings Nikolay! This is most likely "Wishlist", if it really passed, there would already be several publications about this on "VO". So, while we wait ...
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets 5 November 2015 10: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Greetings Nikolay! This is most likely "Wishlist", if it really passed, there would already be several publications about this on "VO". So, while we wait ...

                    I don’t know whose article was in Dolnevostochny Komsomolsk, about the part where I served, but they are waiting for something new. I haven’t saved it, so I won’t give the link. But in my opinion.
                    1. Bongo
                      Bongo 5 November 2015 10: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: Amurets
                      I don’t know whose article was in Dolnevostochny Komsomolsk, about the part where I served, but they are waiting for something new

                      I did not write for DCK request Most likely they are waiting for C-400, before C-350 enters the troops at least another 2-3 of the year. And the first missiles will be deployed not far from the manufacturer, i.e. in the center.
          2. sekutor
            sekutor 4 November 2015 13: 01
            +4
            So on the money from the sale will make complexes for Russia.
            1. edge
              edge 4 November 2015 14: 25
              +2
              Quote: sekutor
              So on the money from the sale will make complexes for Russia.

              and not only do, but also develop asymmetric systems (it’s worth placing the rep stations on satellites and all Amer’s smart weapons will die in mines on the ground)
          3. Don
            Don 4 November 2015 13: 25
            +3
            Quote: Basarev
            and to all banana republics we push the S-400.

            Is it China and India do you have banana republics? Are you sure about that?
            Quote: Basarev
            The only bad thing is that we ourselves are sitting on the obsolete S-300

            Why is the S-300 obsolete? S-300PS relatively yes, but not S-300PM, especially S-400 is actively purchased.
            1. edge
              edge 4 November 2015 14: 28
              +1
              Quote: Don
              S-300PM, especially S-400 are actively purchased.

              and rearmament brigades in defensive areas, and in areas of missile approach.
          4. edge
            edge 4 November 2015 14: 22
            +1
            Quote: Basarev
            The only bad thing is that we ourselves are sitting on obsolete S-300s, and we are pushing S-400s to all banana republics.

            everything is not clear here, we have a nuclear club and the ability to convey it to the recipient, and therefore we are less dependent on air defense. The newest systems are needed by weak and novice players, we’ve been in the game for a long time ...... soldier
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 4 November 2015 12: 07
      +1
      Likely.
    5. Civil
      Civil 4 November 2015 12: 10
      0
      And what have we already had enough for ourselves?
      1. venaya
        venaya 4 November 2015 12: 26
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        And what have we already had enough for ourselves?

        Are we already at war? People need to fight, and right now. And why should we have fun? Our tasks are more extensive, it is clearly not advisable to spray with lack of money. I hope the management has everything calculated and taken into account.
        1. edge
          edge 4 November 2015 14: 34
          0
          Quote: venaya
          Our tasks are more extensive, it is clearly not advisable to spray with money

          in general, the arms market is comparable in profitability with drug trafficking, so don’t talk about poverty .... the world has only one alternative to Euro-Amer expansion and therefore we will buy even more weapons, and soon will reach aerospace systems .
    6. avg
      avg 4 November 2015 12: 16
      +6
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      What the hell is this? Maybe all the same pr.971 "Pike-B"?

      Of course "Pike", who will give them "Ash". Negotiations on this lease have been going on for the second year.
      But with the S-400 is more difficult. I hope this is not about technology transfer, as the Indians have been demanding more and more lately.
      1. edge
        edge 4 November 2015 14: 39
        +1
        Quote: avg
        But with the S-400 is more difficult. I hope this is not about technology transfer, as the Indians have been demanding more and more lately.

        ours offer, as an alternative, collaboration with the condition of the partial use of developments and a more complete integration of the scientific and production base. That is, the use of engineering and scientific potential.
    7. Amurets
      Amurets 4 November 2015 12: 35
      +2
      Now I watched it on the Internet, at the forum “Army 2015”, the General Director of Sevmash said that three more "Ash" will be laid by the end of the year. It is planned to transfer seven Ash trees to the fleet by 2023. Maybe one for spare parts?
    8. Malkor
      Malkor 4 November 2015 12: 43
      0
      It is necessary to supply air defense systems to all friendly countries. Good air defense is the best cure for bombing American democracy.
      1. edge
        edge 4 November 2015 14: 41
        +2
        Quote: Malkor
        It is necessary to supply air defense systems to all friendly countries

        but for some reason, some friendly then become hostile, for example; China, Egypt ....
        1. Malkor
          Malkor 4 November 2015 14: 48
          0
          It is better than NATO.
    9. figwam
      figwam 4 November 2015 12: 44
      +3
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      Then, apparently, an agreement on the lease of the Russian nuclear-powered submarine of the Ash project will also be signed.


      What the hell is this? Maybe all the same pr.971 "Pike-B"?

      No negotiations were going on in the summer, specifically on the lease of a nuclear submarine of the Yasen project
      1. edge
        edge 4 November 2015 14: 46
        0
        Quote: figvam
        precisely on the lease of a nuclear boat of the Yasen project

        -Training and training of instructors, exploring the possibilities for issuing technical specifications for development, the ability to access technical documentation and samples. They understand, cunning, that we have only a stage of cooperation with China, and not strong friendships.
    10. Proxima
      Proxima 4 November 2015 12: 58
      +8
      Thanks to our defense export, if it weren’t for the sale of weapons abroad in the 90s and zero, our defense industry would have suffered the sad fate of our mechanical engineering, civil aircraft industry, etc. And even more thanks to the communists who left us this legacy. I want to congratulate all the Communists on the upcoming October holiday!
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 4 November 2015 13: 26
        0
        Quote: Proxima
        I want to congratulate all the Communists on the upcoming October holiday!

        Thank you, and I, in turn, congratulate you on National Unity Day!
      2. Don
        Don 4 November 2015 13: 27
        -1
        Quote: Proxima
        would suffer the sad fate of our engineering

        What fate is so sad?
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 4 November 2015 14: 47
          +2
          Quote: Don
          What fate is so sad?

          And then you do not know that most of the machine-tool plants either remained abroad or collapsed
          1. Don
            Don 5 November 2015 11: 51
            0
            Quote: Amurets
            And then you do not know that most of the machine-tool plants either remained abroad or collapsed

            And what is mechanical engineering only machine tool factories? And you can’t google what factories in the Russian Federation do machines? Let me list you a few. NPP Mechatronics (Chelyabinsk), Livil (Lipetsk), Moscow Plant of Attachments, Ryazan Machine-Tool Production Company, Baltic Machine-Building Company, Kolomna Heavy Machine Tool Plant. Another list?
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 5 November 2015 12: 16
              0
              Quote: Don

              And what is mechanical engineering only machine tool factories?

              No! And if you take all the engineering plants, then you can list somewhere around 10 percent of what was closed. And what is written in Google is just a sign from the factories under which the space for warehouses and retail space is leased.
              1. Don
                Don 9 November 2015 10: 05
                0
                Quote: Amurets
                And if you take all the engineering plants, then what can you list you is somewhere around 10 percent of what was closed.

                Where did this figure come from? And do not forget. that many factories remained on the territory of now other states. The Russian Federation produces all types of engineering.
                Quote: Amurets
                . And what is written in Google is just signs from factories, under which the space for warehouses and retail space is leased.

                Nothing like this. These are companies. They have factories. Pay attention to the example of the Moscow plant of attachments, and not a warehouse. I place pictures of the plant here, to prove to you.
                http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/69497/
                http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67579/
                http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/66854/
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 9 November 2015 10: 30
                  0
                  Don! Let's not argue? We won’t come to a common opinion. You seem to be from the Donetsk Republic and you see only Moscow and the center. You do not see Siberia and the Far East. There is nothing left from the instrumental, engine-building, instrument-making, everything was exported to China. Many factories also closed in Moscow. If the factories with which you work have remained intact, your happiness. By the way, here on the VO website, residents of the Central regions of Russia wrote about the same.
                  1. Don
                    Don 10 November 2015 12: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Amurets
                    Don! Let's not argue? We won’t come to a common opinion. You seem to be from the Donetsk Republic and you see only Moscow and the center. You do not see Siberia and the Far East. There is nothing left from the instrumental, engine-building, instrument-making, everything was exported to China. Many factories also closed in Moscow. If the factories with which you work have remained intact, your happiness. By the way, here on the VO website, residents of the Central regions of Russia wrote about the same.

                    I have not only been to Moscow. Before the war, he worked as a design engineer and traveled to different parts of the Russian Federation, mainly to the Urals. But it is not necessary to visit every city to know what works. and what not. Moreover, a lot of plants are opening.
                    1. Amurets
                      Amurets 10 November 2015 13: 03
                      +2
                      I will be glad that this is so! Good luck, good luck, see you on the site. I hope this is our only disagreement.
    11. Welcome to hell
      Welcome to hell 4 November 2015 17: 53
      0
      it seems that they wanted to rent a shark
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 5 November 2015 09: 57
        0
        Why do they need a shark?
  2. sever.56
    sever.56 4 November 2015 11: 43
    +16
    The deal is good, if not to the detriment of our defense capabilities and does not slow down the supply of complexes to our army.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 4 November 2015 12: 48
      +8
      To the detriment of our defenses if we trade for dollars. Air defense means defense, sky protection. And for our enterprises that produce these funds (in particular, the employees of these enterprises), wages are important in terms of earning livelihoods.
      Employees of enterprises agree to work in three shifts, if only there are orders. How much Russia purchases from the RF Ministry of Defense, so much it receives ... But, the Russian budget is not rubber, everything is not enough for everyone ...
      1. Tor5
        Tor5 4 November 2015 13: 16
        0
        Exactly! And you can not, finally, conduct transactions directly: rupee - ruble?
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 4 November 2015 13: 27
          +2
          Quote: Tor5
          Exactly! And you can not, finally, conduct transactions directly: rupee - ruble?

          You can, but there is a risk that the Indian president will get cancer
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  3. fox21h
    fox21h 4 November 2015 11: 44
    +5
    Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
    Then, apparently, an agreement on the lease of the Russian nuclear-powered submarine of the Ash project will also be signed.


    What kind of crap is this?

    Yes, there was already a message about this earlier, in general a very controversial decision, in my opinion, like selling the c400, until its troops get a full replacement of the c300, it looks strange to sell abroad, but here the policy plays the first fiddle.
    In Soviet times, it was a rule to sell abroad only systems a generation younger than they enter their troops, it would be right to start selling after the beginning of the army’s entry to the c500
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 4 November 2015 11: 48
      +7
      I understand that the text was typed by a girl who just graduated from journal faculty, but how can we rent our own only "Ash", which itself constantly breaks down and is completed during operation? So most likely the journalists got it wrong.

      But I do not exclude the possibility that we will build a new one for them, while the GPV-2020 for "Ash" has definitely been disrupted, and is shifted by 4-5 years. Although there is no need to be surprised, narrow-minded leaders, what else to expect from them.
    2. edge
      edge 4 November 2015 14: 50
      -2
      Quote: fox21h
      generally a very controversial decision, in my opinion, like the sale of c400

      400 is a transitional option ... familiarization with it will push Indian engineering to build their systems.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 4 November 2015 15: 17
        +4
        Quote: hert
        400 is a transitional option ... familiarization with it will push Indian engineering to build their systems.

        In the 90s, India tried to create on the basis of the Soviet military air defense system "Kradrat" ("Cube") its own air defense system Akash ("Sky"), SAM with a semi-active seeker.
        so still can’t bring to mind.
  4. Thronekeeper
    Thronekeeper 4 November 2015 11: 45
    +7
    Hindus know what they are taking.
    But I don't like the "rent" of APRK, "Ash" avenue. We have two of these cruisers so far, only one has been accepted, so the third is on lease? I understand that they do not want to wait, but for the sake of such a quality they could have waited. The aircraft carrier "Kamasutra" when they were made from "Novorossiysk" - did they wait, didn't they peel off? Plus - you need to do export equipment, there is a lot of top-secret on "Yasen", in addition to "Onyx", which the Indians collect themselves.
    1. altman
      altman 4 November 2015 13: 22
      0
      Excuse me .. and the second "Ash" is what? Kazan?
  5. silver_roman
    silver_roman 4 November 2015 11: 52
    +2
    I am generally shocked by the news of the ash lease, although on the other hand there may be some logic: ash ("Yekaterinburg") was built according to an outdated project, where many outdated nodes are used. There will be many changes on the 885M and therefore the unification will be less, which means that the maintenance of such a boat will be even greater. In general, let's see.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 4 November 2015 20: 17
      0
      We are talking about Pike, it was reported this year that negotiations are underway. The Indians have one, they wanted the second - apparently "liked" it.
      I wonder what missiles S-400 will sell. Everyone was alarmed, but the complex is one thing, and the missiles to it are another. The latest missiles for the S-400, in my opinion, are not yet in the series. And they sell - it means there is a reserve for a new system. hi
  6. ilija93
    ilija93 4 November 2015 11: 53
    +8
    Yes, you already, at once, lease all design bureaus! Together with the Russian Army.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 4 November 2015 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: ilija93
      Yes, you already, at once, lease all design bureaus! Together with the Russian Army.

      In the General Staff not fools sit ...
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 4 November 2015 12: 06
        -3
        that's for sure, but "not" may well be a traitor!
      2. Malkor
        Malkor 4 November 2015 12: 45
        0
        In the current General Staff, they are quite healthy people.
        Everything is calculated, I think.
  7. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 4 November 2015 11: 56
    +1
    Hindus are moody customers. Remember the hassle with the Rafael.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 4 November 2015 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Hindus are moody customers. Remember the hassle with the Rafael.

      Until the first "zvizdyuli!" They do not listen to the recommendations of our specialists, alas!
    2. KnightRider
      KnightRider 4 November 2015 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Remember the hassle with the Rafael.

      By the way, how did the story end then? Have they bought Rafali or not?
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 4 November 2015 20: 33
        0
        Kind of like 36 "Raphael" out of over 120. hi
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 4 November 2015 11: 58
    +14
    Hindus pay neatly. This is their main plus.
    And yet - they are patient. The second plus.
    The deal is undoubtedly successful.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 4 November 2015 12: 12
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Hindus pay neatly. This is their main plus.

      In general, there is little information and it is somehow strange to judge + this or -.A contract for the sale of weapons is always good for the military-industrial complex, but it seems that we are talking about those weapons that we ourselves do not have in sufficient quantities.
    2. KnightRider
      KnightRider 4 November 2015 12: 14
      +4
      The S-400 export modification is certainly different from the "native" complexes: ours are already receiving a new missile with a range of up to 400 km, which is unlikely to be available to foreign buyers of the S-400. In any case, the Indians will receive their complexes no earlier than 2017, the first in line are the Chinese. The mistake about "Ash" probably meant "Pike-B".
      P.S. 10 billion do not lie on the road, I already hear the angry gnashing of teeth of the hawks of the Senate and the Pentagon! wassat laughing
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 4 November 2015 15: 14
        +1
        Quote: KnightRider
        ours are already getting a new missile with a range of up to 400 km,

        not yet No.
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 4 November 2015 12: 14
      0
      It would be better to take what they give and were silent in a rag. And they wanted the warranty service of the Rafaley built in India and the complete transfer of technology. Although the caste system itself has not yet become obsolete.
  9. Dezinto
    Dezinto 4 November 2015 12: 01
    0
    What kind of misfortune!?!?!?!

    Sorry off topic:

    At least 41 people died in the crash of an An-12 cargo plane in South Sudan, Reuters reports citing its sources. Previously reported 10 dead and two survivors, including a child.

    Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1561519/?fb#ixzz3qVmmtn4d

    In the capital of South Sudan, Juba, an An-12 cargo plane crashed, on board of which, according to some reports, there were more than 40 people.
    According to the representative of the President of the country, Ateni Weck, 41 people died in the crash. According to him, two survived: a crew member and a child, reports TASS.

    Original news RT in Russian:
    https://russian.rt.com/article/127801

  10. pts-m
    pts-m 4 November 2015 12: 01
    0
    Yes, in principle, nothing new has been invented. “Clear — the stump” goes to the load. And you cannot separate the experience of communism separately when a brooch was imposed on the volume of a historical book ... the struggle for a sober lifestyle ... and everything is normal , drunken operators have no place at command posts in the Native American army.
  11. Oman 47
    Oman 47 4 November 2015 12: 02
    +3
    I do not understand.
    India is a country with a billion people. Scientific schools are available; even if not like ours. Indian programmers are world famous.
    And all over the world, Indians are buying weapons and military equipment without producing a similar mine.
    Persians in this regard are much more pragmatic: Iran rivets CAM and missile weapons, and submarines. belay
    1. mvg
      mvg 4 November 2015 15: 24
      0
      Hindus are not fools. What Iran is riveting, they do not need, the level is completely different. Iran is still growing and growing before North Korea. Correctly said "warrior wow": they are solvent, they can demand the best for themselves. Rafalkas for 120 million units, air defense "Barak", 1143.5, T-90A, South Korean self-propelled guns, American P-8 Orions ..
      They already have missiles, and with nuclear weapons too. Submarines "Halibuts", by the way, they want 8 more units, there are nuclear submarines .. The Navy is not bad, the SU-30 .. Iran never dreamed of that .. And they have oil ..
      Regarding programmers ... Indian elephants are more famous ...
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 November 2015 19: 25
      +3
      "And all over the world, the Indians buy weapons and military equipment without producing their own" ///

      Why? They buy licenses widely. Part of purchases from foreigners
      due to the construction of a plant in the future on its territory: "for example - the first
      We buy 50 planes, and the rest are produced from us. "
      Learn without risking getting involved. Reasonable politics.
      They still do not have enough engineers, technicians.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 4 November 2015 21: 15
        +1
        They still do not have enough scientists to research for the future, there is no groundwork for the future, in other words, there is no fundamental science in engineering fields! What they are fighting today, began to comprehend the day before yesterday, figuratively speaking.
  12. Sergey333
    Sergey333 4 November 2015 12: 02
    +3
    Quote: RuslanNN
    Hindus are moody customers. Remember the hassle with the Rafael.

    Today, they are in a hurry, something fried to see the smell. For deliveries abroad, a new plant is being completed.
  13. Ilya77
    Ilya77 4 November 2015 12: 05
    +6
    I feel at such a pace the T-50 by the Russian aerospace forces will immediately go to the Indians ..
    1. Bradypodidae
      Bradypodidae 4 November 2015 15: 16
      0
      If all the money went to the development of the military-industrial complex, then Russia would not need to trade in hydrocarbons. They would have made a fortune on weapons. And Yasen would be given away in vain.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 November 2015 12: 09
    +3
    Of course, it is good to develop the military-industrial complex, but to develop it at the expense of another state - IMHO, is even better. I’m not talking about Triumphs, but a leased nuclear submarine from the last project - they probably counted and decided that it was right. They don't eat cabbage soup there either. Probably, Ash trees are not cheap in production, they have brought the balance - and here is such an offer! Here is the solution. Still, it's better than driving oil to the West for next to nothing. And the dependence of the budget on oil prices is decreasing, and the export of high-tech products is increasing.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 4 November 2015 12: 18
      +5
      First, it would be enough to saturate our country with high-tech products, getting rid of all the low-tech. And then we push these high-tech products to the right and left in the past, while they themselves are stuck in the eighties.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 4 November 2015 21: 19
        +1
        And what kind of shisha do this? Or can a people be killed in the past fifteen to twenty years?
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 4 November 2015 21: 25
          -1
          That shake all the guilty cones - and immediately will be in the hands of trillions. And to all who are approaching our military technologies to give the gate a turn, but not that one.
  15. Djclone
    Djclone 4 November 2015 12: 10
    +2
    Hindus are our largest arms export partners. Glad if the money goes to the development of the military-industrial complex
  16. lotar
    lotar 4 November 2015 12: 13
    +3
    India, however, as well as China will ask to share technologies for their creation. And this is a sign of creating domestic backlogs in this direction and how much the Indians need for this time is not known. The Chinese already have their own analogues of this technology, and the Indians will soon have them .Therefore, everywhere there is a fly in the ointment with a barrel of honey. The fact that the Chinese were unable to give their complexes the same efficiency, says a lot, of course, but they also select potential buyers from our country due to their criteria, for example, one of the relevant as prices.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 4 November 2015 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: lotar
      For example, one of the relevant ones as prices.

      The trick is that they have a low price for products, BUT for the maintenance and repair they tear in three skins. Like the United States, they sell old equipment at bargain prices, but make money on the service itself.
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 4 November 2015 21: 22
      +1
      Of course, having a hundred anti-aircraft missiles is better than just ten, but a smart buyer will pay for the opportunity to shoot down five opponents, than cause an attacker to laugh a hundred times!
  17. mitrich
    mitrich 4 November 2015 12: 41
    +2
    The double feeling from this publication, money is good, but to sell something that is not yet fully in its own armed forces is a bad tradition in Russia.
    The same thing with publications on the possible deliveries to China of our Su-34s (or 35s, I don’t remember). So they still cried in our Air Force (that of those of others). And the Chinese talents quickly rivet cheap clones for export, we all know.
    We receive deferred damage.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 4 November 2015 13: 06
      0
      The double feeling from this publication, money is good, but, to sell what is not yet fully in its own aircraft, a bad tradition in Russia.

      This is not a bad tradition in Russia, but a characteristic feature of capitalism, which is in pursuit of profit:
      "Provide capital with 10% profit, and the capital agrees to any use, with 20% it becomes lively, with 50% it is positively ready to break its head, with 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime for which it does not would venture to go, at least under fear of the gallows "

      There was no capitalism in the USSR, so these manipulations with the production and sale of military equipment are out of the ordinary for us ...
      PS And for us it is no longer a secret that in the Second World War the USA successfully conducted trade with both the USSR and Germany:
      During the Nuremberg Trials, the former President of the Imperial Bank, Hjalmar Schacht, said in an interview with an American lawyer: “If you want to indict industrialists who helped rearm Germany, you must indict yourself. You will be required to indict the Americans. The Opel automobile plant, for example, did not produce anything other than military products. Owned this factory, your General Motors. Almost until the end of the war, with special permission to trade with Germany, Italy, Japan, the American telecommunications company ITT conducted its business. Ford did not stop production in France after the German occupation by the Germans, while German Goering, who headed the Reichswerk German Goering industrial concern, personally provided special protection for Ford's activities in Europe. What can I say, even if the Coca-Cola company, far from military affairs, has launched production of the Fanta drink in Germany!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 4 November 2015 15: 04
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        . And for us it is no longer a secret that in the Second World War the USA successfully conducted trade with both the USSR and Germany:

        And the USSR through Bulgaria and Turkey received some of the equipment and instruments made in Germany, paid for on the eve of the war. And I am silent about foreign companies. In the book "Secret Fairway" all secret trade operations are taken from real documents.
  18. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 4 November 2015 13: 21
    0
    That is right. And then France, Rafali, signed, not signed fellow
  19. roskot
    roskot 4 November 2015 14: 11
    0
    The contract, of course, is not bad. But priority should be for his army.
  20. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 4 November 2015 15: 29
    0
    "If the information provided by the Indian publication is correct ..." then let this trend continue in the future.
  21. Old26
    Old26 4 November 2015 16: 34
    0
    Quote: Thronekeeper
    We have two of these cruisers so far, only one has been accepted, so the third is on lease? I understand that they do not want to wait, but for the sake of this quality they could have waited. The aircraft carrier "Kamasutra" when they were made from "Novorossiysk" - did they wait, didn't they peel off? Plus - you need to do export equipment, there is a lot of top-secret on "Yasen", in addition to "Onyx", which the Indians collect themselves.

    And where did you get this? Two boats of the "Ash" type, when the second will be launched only next year. Aircraft carrier "Kamasutra" made from "Novorossiysk"? Oh well

    Quote: silver_roman
    although on the other hand, there may be logic: ash ("Yekaterinburg") was built according to an outdated project, where many obsolete units are used.

    "Ekaterinburg"??? Can you tell me at least the serial number and when the boat was laid down ??
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 4 November 2015 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Ekaterinburg"?

      I beg your pardon, I meant Severodvinsk. Wrong
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 5 November 2015 09: 02
      0
      Volodya! Hello! If you can, comment on the problem with the number of hulls 885 of the project. The fleet is scheduled to have seven boats by 2023. Where did the eighth come from? Is it a typo or maybe an Indian order? Budnichenko either made a reservation or is it someone else's order. Since 5 buildings have been laid and three more will be laid. This statement was made at the "Arms 2015" exhibition.
  22. Old26
    Old26 4 November 2015 18: 37
    +1
    Quote: silver_roman
    I beg your pardon, I meant Severodvinsk. Wrong

    Clearly, it happens
  23. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 4 November 2015 20: 33
    -2
    Quote: Ilya77
    I feel at such a pace the T-50 by the Russian aerospace forces will immediately go to the Indians ..

    It looks like in connection with the "successes" of our government, the T-50 will be tested and refined for another 5 years! request
  24. Gunther
    Gunther 4 November 2015 20: 45
    -1
    Quote red_october
    ..... constantly improve air defense, and it costs money.
    Tusvx Quote:
    And the S-500 needs money. They need a lot ...
    sekutor Quote:
    So on the money from the sale will make complexes for Russia.

    Production of air defense systems should not depend on their sales(S-400) to our possible adversary (China).
    The lack of funds for defense (development of production as a whole) is due to the treacherous, in my opinion, policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, V. Kasatonov correctly said this (http://rusplt.ru/our-people/article_58.html).
    The sale of the S-400 to India is justified strategically and economically.
  25. Megatron
    Megatron 5 November 2015 01: 16
    0
    agreement on the lease of the Russian nuclear submarine of the Ash project.

    Drown again?
  26. Wolka
    Wolka 5 November 2015 06: 18
    0
    many will say this is business, money is money, well, I don’t have confidence in the Indians, even when the T-90 was delivered to them, oh, they made fun of them then, although they always smiled sweetly and bowed, but I would not name them as strategic partners either ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 5 November 2015 12: 28
      0
      Then the Indians were afraid that by buying tanks and paying money they could be left without money and without tanks. And only when Putin gave a guarantee personally that the plant would not go bankrupt and that India would receive tanks only then they signed a contract. And the battle for tanks ended in the death of Vladimir Potkin , the chief designer of the tank. The heart could not stand it.