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Mourning??? Ethical moments of what happened ...

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Mourning??? Ethical moments of what happened ...



It is well known that excited emotions are a bad help for sober assessments, therefore, in the name of adequacy, I found it necessary to write this note when the first and most powerful wave of them began to decline. And although история this is still far from over, and the search for the causes of the plane crash in Egypt is now in full swing, the public reaction has mostly already occurred, and I would like to focus on it.

Reading the comments on the Internet, in particular at VO, I nevertheless realized that I was far from alone in my feeling of some regular mystery into which a significant part of our society and a considerable part of foreign ones somehow got involved. All this action is actively spurred by the media, scoring 3 / 4 broadcasting networks with reports about the "crash of a Russian airliner."

Tragedy? Of course! But although the Tatarstan air crash of the Boeing-737 airline and the crash of the crashed team of Lokomotiv hockey players, and much more, are still fresh in memory, this time the theme is “savoring” with some kind of epic scale that always alarms me ...

There is some dissonance in this stream of sincere grief over the dead and bloated (pseudo -?) With the participation of the crowd involved in some all-Russian "flash mob" of sympathy. So many condolences, repetitive sentimental photos and hashtags in social networks, sad poems ... In theory, the soul should feel better from such a union in a gloomy moment, but I do not leave an unpleasant feeling of some kind of artificiality and unusual diligence, why suddenly this catastrophe caused such a surge ?

And in the comments I saw a lot of similar misunderstandings on this subject: people sympathize, but they are perplexed about how to single out some before others who died in similar circumstances, not to mention the scale of memorable actions that make them feel, to put it mildly, embarrassing when in mind involuntarily you compare them with rare and pale reports with a running line about tribute to the memory of veterans of the Great Patriotic War, about those who died in the execution of the next task of law enforcement officers, etc.

Such a discrepancy in the approaches to the coverage of such subjects raises the question of its moral background, which divides society in opinions, and this split is very noticeable. All this is done for a reason, and is a kind of signal to society from the liberal "elite" about its ethical priorities, about who it relies on in its policy. Say what you like, but vacationers in Sharm el-Sheikh and working in the countryside somewhere in the Pskov region are hardly the same people, and therefore some circumstances need to be clarified:

Official prayer for those who have died or perished in their moral basis, he has compassion for those who have departed to another world, Love for them and forgiveness by the people who continue to live of all that the departed did not do so, as it was necessary for man to do in the course of God's providence. Those. even if the deceased is deeply sinful, then there will be people who will forgive him and will sincerely pray for his soul, not only in spite of his sins, but in spite of them, and this is normal.

MOURNING (especially statewide) initially - expression of recognition by the living of certain merits of the dead before the living. These merits can be both true and false (that is, the society, due to the widespread sinfulness in it, can be mistaken in its assessment of the merits of sinners). But if there is no merit, then there is no ethical reason for mourning.

FROM THE RECENT PAST:

After the fire in the Lame 7 December, 2009 was declared the day of nationwide mourning (111 died immediately, more than 130 hospitalized victims of varying severity, of whom more than 30 died within the next two weeks).
After the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP 7 in August 2009, which killed 76 people and caused heavy damage to the production potential of the country - mourning was declared only in Khakassia (in the subject of the Russian Federation, in which the hydroelectric station is located) and "departmental" mourning was announced enterprises of the company Rus-Hydro. There was no mourning for the workers who died in the performance of their official duties.

The question is: What are the merits of the victims of the fire in a nightclub before the people? What did they do so socially useful to declare nationwide mourning was ethically legitimate? Why did the topics generated by this tragedy not go off the screens for two and a half weeks? Why from the state budget - i.e. from public funds - to the detriment of the common people were paid compensation to the victims and those killed at the party, and not at least from the funds of the owners of the burned-out club, who did not bother to provide security in it? To declare national mourning over those who died as a result of the fire in the "brothel" * - not only Russia knew this, but not one country in the world ... This does not mean that those killed in the Lame Horse fire are not worthy of compassion and requiem prayers, but as well as the sorrow and memory of their loved ones. But their death - can not be a cause for nationwide mourning.

Unlike those killed in the Lame Horse fire, those who died at the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station had merit before the Fatherland, but national mourning for them was not announced: they were neglected.

* The difference between a brothel and a nightclub for the rich, which was the Lame Horse club, is not a matter of principle. And in ethical terms, this difference - in favor of the brothel: the brothel is more honest - does not pretend to be innocent, as the nightclub does.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 05: 52 New
    +3
    Author, so what are you sharing? They are no longer dead.
    1. nils
      nils 6 November 2015 06: 15 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Author, so what are you sharing?


      The question in the article is not about sharing people. but about politics that gained power in the state.
      Who is in their honor?
      Look at the list of full holders of the Order of Merit to the Fatherland.
      Half of the artistic elite (jesters, clowners, buffoons, hypocrites), who before, like suicides, were buried outside the city cemetery.
      Now behind the scenes a man of labor.
      Цитата: "В отличие от погибших в результате пожара в "Хромой лошади" у погибших на Саяно-Шушенской ГЭС заслуги перед Отечеством были, но общегосударственный траур по ним объявлен не был: ими пренебрегли."
      And how do you like in the liberal-oligarchic system?
      There will still be roofing felts, oh, oh, oh.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 07: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: nils
        The question in the article is not about sharing people. but about politics that gained power in the state.
        Who is in their honor?

        I don’t know what the government has there, but people divide people.
        Quote: nils
        Цитата: "В отличие от погибших в результате пожара в "Хромой лошади" у погибших на Саяно-Шушенской ГЭС заслуги перед Отечеством были, но общегосударственный траур по ним объявлен не был: ими пренебрегли."

        People died, what do you want? Some without mourning carry flowers and mourn, while others dance in mourning.
        1. Xanna
          Xanna 6 November 2015 09: 14 New
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          The author is right! Those who died in the Temple of the Horse should pay compensation to the club owners, not the budget. This is a mockery of taxpayers to pay from the state. treasury for such things.
          To the friends and relatives of the victims - I sincerely sympathize with everyone (the victims themselves - it doesn’t matter anyway), but compensation issues are a completely separate moment, which has nothing to do with sympathy.

          There are issues that need to be discussed whether we like it or not. Questions announcement state. mourning and compensation payments from state. The budget should be stipulated by a special government decree and no further return to this topic.
          In resolving political issues, there are also those that need to be discussed, even if it is not entirely ethical.
          Now, under the pretext of ethics, we are forced to pay for unclear what kind of death, despite the fact that there is a specific guilty party and he must pay.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 6 November 2015 13: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Xanna 
            This is a mockery of taxpayers to pay from the state. treasury for such things.

            Даже в "Хромой лошади" погибли ЛЮДИ, налогоплательщики, имеющие право на обеспечение государством своей безопасности в легальном общественном месте в период отдыха. А вот параметры масштабов мероприятий установить не мешало бы. Хотя и здесь есть подводные камни в виде степени общественного резонанса. И игнорировать их не получится никакой власти, ни демократической, ни авторитарной. Ибо легитимность власти зависит от отношения народа к ней, это очень тонкие материи.
          2. ZKB
            ZKB 6 November 2015 14: 23 New
            +5
            Are you guys impoverished because of = payments to victims? I understand that we are one people, grief happened, helped, well. The Russians never counted money for such events. To be honest, I am against sharing some of the dead from others. There is an opportunity to help, well, sometimes it is not.
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        2. Altona
          Altona 6 November 2015 14: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          People died, what do you want? Some without mourning carry flowers and mourn, while others dance in mourning.

          ---------------------
          The author put the emphasis a little incorrectly ... He tried to convey two points: 1) Insurance companies and the owner of the crash object (car, train, aircraft or sea vessel, complex man-made object) should pay for the tragedies of the car, air, and techno disasters; the state should not be involved compensation from the budget; 2) Media coverage of the tragedies takes place on a different scale, with more space being given to tragedies with tourists and vacationers than lost specialist hockey players, electricians, soldiers, etc.
        3. dr. sem
          dr. sem 11 November 2015 12: 18 New
          -1
          You do not have a place in ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 13: 28 New
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            Quote: dr. sem
            You do not have a place in ...

            In my opinion this is the place you made a mistake.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 6 November 2015 07: 05 New
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        Quote: nils
        And how do you like in the liberal-oligarchic system?

        Правильная статья:: совершенно очевидно, в какую сторону смещены морально-этические акценты в мозгах власть имущих, предпочитающих оплакивать мажорные отбросы общества, погибшие на бл..ском шабаше в "Лошади", нежели почесть память павших на рабочем месте вследствие катастрофы, происшедшей по вине власть имущих же.
        And political authorities should be careful in determining the extent of the tragedy - either it is an airplane with a group of vacationers, or it is a mine with miners dying in the rubble ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 07: 25 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          оплакивать мажорные отбросы общества, погибшие на бл..ском шабаше в "Лошади"

          It’s you who call the dead people scum of society. Have you personally known at least one of the dead? No, so shut up the respected mouth or tell the relatives of the deceased.
          How it should go down, so that to such an extent it becomes a cynic.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 6 November 2015 12: 31 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s you who call the dead people scum of society. Have you personally known at least one of the dead? No, so shut up the respected mouth or tell the relatives of the deceased.
            How it should go down, so that to such an extent it becomes a cynic.

            Articles were flooded as from a clogged toilet - yesterday in the contact attack began - there, too, the sorting began on worthy and not worthy, I had to unsubscribe from two groups.
          2. bastard
            bastard 6 November 2015 13: 16 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s you who call the dead people scum of society. Have you personally known at least one of the dead? No, so shut up the respected mouth or tell the relatives of the deceased.
            How it should go down, so that to such an extent it becomes a cynic.

            Любезнейший! Не защищая Вашего оппонента скажу, что мне неведомо, какие люди погибли в то злополучный день в "Хромой лошади" (какое поэтическое название у клуба!), но мне довелось в течение 4-х лет (2007-2011, был тяжёлый период в жизни) поработать таксистом в моём городе, где тоже имеются ночные клубы.
            I had to deliver this audience, both to clubs and from clubs. I will not post detailed descriptions of these flights, especially when traveling from the club, but I will only say one thing: this is, for the most part, the plot for the thriller. They go to the club already high, and go home or to the sauna in general insane, their eyes are glass, they are nonsense, a show-off car and fingers are fan-shaped, etc. And guys and girls! All moms and dads, at worst, uncle, work in the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the regional administration, all the cool bandits are their personal friends. . .
            Three times I got to the fists, although I weigh 90 kg, but they are under anesthesia, and after I got robbed with a knife (they didn’t give me any progress, guess why?) I left the taxi for good, excuse me, I'm afraid.
            Отдельный разговор - персонал этих заведений. Скажу сразу - самые адекватные люди это охранники, ни разу даже выпивши не видел, вежливые, с одним сдружился. Но стр иптизёрши, девушки для консумации, бармены - просто "песня"! У них, оказывается, очень сложная, ответственная и интеллектуальная работа! Особнячком стоят су. тенёры, про,/ститутки, нар.. которговцы. В общем - весёлая там публика, и стар и млад. Могу роман написать, но не буду.
            Such things, unpleasant sediment. And people, purely human, of course, are a pity.
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 6 November 2015 08: 22 New
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        There is no need to divide people after the last line, before God all are equal, and the children who died are some kind of liberal-patriots
        Quote: nils
        And how do you like in the liberal-oligarchic system?

        You know, I also do not accept any liberal and oligarchic muck, but about the dead it’s either good or not to say anything at all, we must talk about the living.
        1. Mikhalych
          Mikhalych 6 November 2015 12: 06 New
          +8
          You know, I also do not accept any liberal and oligarchic muck, but about the dead it’s either good or not to say anything at all, we must talk about the living.

          This expression sounds like this: About the dead, either good or nothing but the truth.
          That is, the truth can be said, even if it is bitter. I do not blame the dead. God's judgment on them has already taken place. In Orthodoxy there is no concept of mourning. It is supposed to pray for the dead to God, that he would have mercy on those who are not in Paradise.
          But the state is secular. Announced mourning, so announced. The author did not try to reveal the topic of our attitude towards the dead, but about the need to declare national mourning. This is a moot point.
          Вот если,например был объявлен всенародный траур о сотне погибших геев в "Голубой Лагуне", как бы вы к этому отнеслись?
      4. exSUman
        exSUman 6 November 2015 11: 19 New
        -2
        Прежде чем поставить Вам "+" мне предложили выложить как минимум 10 постов... идиотизм какой-то... почему, если мне нравится позиция кого-то я должен выложить 10 постов?! Ну да ладно, вернемся к плюсам и минусам... +++++++++++++... короче в периоде!
      5. exSUman
        exSUman 6 November 2015 11: 19 New
        0
        Прежде чем поставить Вам "+" мне предложили выложить как минимум 10 постов... идиотизм какой-то... почему, если мне нравится позиция кого-то я должен выложить 10 постов?! Ну да ладно, вернемся к плюсам и минусам... +++++++++++++... короче в периоде!
      6. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 6 November 2015 11: 50 New
        +4
        I trace this idea from the post of the author. By declaring and not declaring mourning, the state indemnifies victims in various ways. If in the case of the state, then from the budget of the country, i.e. from the money of taxpayers, and if in another case it may not be reimbursed at all, or reimbursed by the perpetrators.
        Так вот правильно будет "сдереть" деньги с Когалым авиа и иже с ними. Если имеете право фрахтовать древние зарубежные самолетики, продавать билеты на "корыто", рискуя жизнями простых людей, извольте платить. И вообще заставить проходить гос проверку, назначить ответственное лицо, если будет доказана коррупционная составляющая казнить. Также заставлять организаторов "борделей"-клубов, платить большие суммы из собственного кармана, в случае трагедий, нет денег - казнить (как маньяков), за преступную халатность, повлекшую смерть большого количества людей. Иначе с этим бороться нельзя, только кардинально. Кстати хотелось бы вспомнить и про ПДД со смертями, но это уже отдельная тема.
    2. Shick
      Shick 6 November 2015 06: 46 New
      +7
      hmm .. if it were the author’s relatives there wouldn’t be such an article ..
      ugly, just not humanly ..
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 6 November 2015 08: 07 New
        +7
        In a lame horse, not only majors came on this damned day! And do not comb all under one comb! Not only millionaires fly on airplanes, someone can save up for holidays for more than one year. But! And where does the state mourning? Mourning is the work of loved ones of the dead, those who knew the dead well! And there may be condolences from us, but only if they are sincere, and not on-duty phrases in order to cling to the grief of relatives! This is my firm opinion !!!!
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 6 November 2015 08: 24 New
          +9
          Не пойму, чему такому "удивляется" автор-тому что катастрофе самолета уделяется больше внимания, чем другим трагедиям, случившимся в России в прежние годы. Господи, но неужели трудно понять, что мы живем не в "безвоздушном" пространстве, а в окружении "заклятых партнеров", которые, надо сказать честно, развязали за последний год настоящую "информационную" войну против России зато, что Россия сделала "вызов" всему "цивилизованному" миру своими внешними геополитическими "шагами", разворошив весь этот западный "змеючник"-отсюда и повышенное внимание мировых СМИ ко всему, что происходит в России и к тому, что делает Россия и к этой катастрофе так же. Российские СМИ так же "гальванизированы" подобным вниманием со стороны запада. Правительство и руководство России, находясь в состоянии "информационной" войны с западом вынуждено постоянно выверять свои дальнейшие действия и перестраховываться, чтобы не вызвать еще больших нападок западной оравы "доброжелателей" на нашу страну.. Не пойму, чего тут непонятного...
          1. Chertkov Oleg
            Chertkov Oleg 6 November 2015 08: 41 New
            +6
            TRAUR (especially nationwide) was originally an expression of recognition by the living of the merits of the deceased before the living. These merits can be both true and false (i.e., society, due to the prevalence of sinfulness in it, may be mistaken in assessing the merits of sinners). But if there is no merit, then there is no ethical reason for mourning.

            Judge not lest ye be judged. Leave criticism of the dead wherever they leave this world.
            Меня не отпускает видение того, как разлетаются из разлома самолёта ДЕТИ, молодые родители, просто наши сограждане, их мысли в секундах затухающего сознания и крики - "Мама,папа, за что?" Представьте и замолчите, совсем.
            Всё это действо активно подстёгивается СМИ, забив 3/4 сетки вещания сводками о "крушении российского авиалайнера".
            The author also managed to increase this ratio, or not? Cool off already, all. May they rest in peace.
            1. scoop
              scoop 6 November 2015 09: 12 New
              -3
              Judge not lest ye be judged

              can you explain what this means?
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 6 November 2015 14: 56 New
        +6
        I do not divide the dead into good and bad, I grieve for everyone the same ..., especially sorry for the children ...
        But there is one thought that haunts ...
        The state has withdrawn from the protection of its citizens, both in the production sphere and in everyday life.
        Мы как то забываем о том , что все 25 лет продолжается одна большая трагедия,в 93-ем расстреляли людей в Москве,были и взрывы и захваты заложников,тонули корабли(напр.,"Булгария"), был и аэропорт Домодедово, после ,которого никак не могли найти владельцев аэропорта,была и трагедия на ГРЭС проч.и проч, но ведь под колёсами транспорта тоже гибнут люди, люди гибнут и при отсутствии или несвоевременном оказании медпомощи, люди гибнут от палёного алкоголя, гибнут при суицидах,не видя перспектив, гибнут от рук друг друга и порой от рук пьяных ментов, от рук сумашедших, маньков, гибнут с ужасающей переодичностью...
        And how is the death of one person different from mass death? The grief of family and friends is equally deep in each case ...
        We are already accustomed to daily deaths, which, with pleasure, daily cover the media for us, are simply used to it ... and now only mass deaths cause a public outcry ... And in these cases, the state responds quickly, expressing and accepting condolences and paying money to the families of the deceased, equating human life to some kind of monetary equivalent, instead of putting basic order in the country in all areas.
        "Они" там наверху ,вдруг, подумали, что с деньгами скорбить легче...,вместо того,чтобы подумать о том как сберечь людей.
        Or maybe something is wrong in the kingdom itself?
        PS. Every day, through the federal channels, money is collected to various charitable foundations for operations for sick children, and people send their heartfelt help from the last penny ... And where is the state?
        Оно занято какими то своими более "важными" делами...
        Logically, we have been living in mourning with a lowered flag for 25 years ...
        After all, the main value for the state is HUMAN LIFE!

        I apologize for the confusion, it just boiled up and got tired hi
    3. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
      Mihaylo Tishayshiy 6 November 2015 08: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Author, so what are you sharing? They are no longer dead.

      В том-то и дело, что не автор погибших людей делит, а наша власть. Автор лишь указал на эту "делёжку", и вполне обоснованно возмутился.
      "О погибших - либо хорошо, либо никак" - поддерживаю!
      Но, когда об отдыхающих и развлекающихся - "хорошо" (общегосударственный траур), а о тружениках и служащих - "никак" (забвение на госуровне) - МЕРЗКО и стыдно за такую власть!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 08: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        "О погибших - либо хорошо, либо никак" - поддерживаю!

        Yeah, it's noticeable.
        Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        “NASTY and ashamed of such power!”

        You even turn people's deaths into another chance to spit in power. This is really disgusting.
        1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          Mihaylo Tishayshiy 6 November 2015 10: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          You even turn people's deaths into another chance to spit in power. This is really disgusting.

          But you turn the same reason and unsightly actions of the authorities into a chance to spit mine and those who agree with the author.
          Я ничего не сказал против траура по погибшим в "Лошади" и в катастрофе над Синаем, и мне не меньше вашего жаль этих людей. А вот за то, что власть сочла не достаточным внимания гибель людей на Саяно-Шушенской ГЭС и не объявила по ним общегосударственный траур, я должен расцеловать её (власть) в попку? Не я и не автор статьи, а власть поделила этих людей на "достойных" и "не достойных". Вам эта "делёжка" власти, видимо, нравиться, для меня она - мерзкая.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 11: 31 New
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            Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
            Я ничего не сказал против траура по погибшим в "Лошади"

            You put + koment in which the dead people were called garbage. This says a lot.
            1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
              Mihaylo Tishayshiy 6 November 2015 15: 08 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You put + koment in which the dead people were called garbage. This says a lot.

              This suggests that I put + or - the general meaning of the comment, and not the words taken out of it. And the meaning of the comment outraged you:
              Quote: hydrox
              And political authorities should be careful in determining the extent of the tragedy - either it is an airplane with a group of vacationers, or it is a mine with miners dying in the rubble ...

              Но почему-то "those who fell in the workplace as a result of a disaster that occurred due to the fault of those in power" оказались менее достойными вашего внимания (ведь вы поставили этому комменту "минус". А вообще, если бы власть относилась к своим гражданам одинаково, спорить было бы не о чем.
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    5. Scoun
      Scoun 6 November 2015 10: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Author, so what are you sharing? They are no longer dead.

      Quote: nils
      The question in the article is not about sharing people. but about politics that gained power in the state.

      here is the IAC statement confirming that for *** we are sitting in soft chairs.

      IAC criticized the Federal Air Transport Agency for "risking" 20 million passengers. An explanation of yesterday's revocation of certificates for Boeing 737 aircraft was published on the website of the Interstate Aviation Committee.

      The statement notes that since the last crash in Kazan in November 2013, the Federal Air Transport Agency has repeatedly raised the question of the need for improvements to such aircraft.

      IAC indicates that the Federal Air Transport Agency did not take any action to impose restrictions on the operation of the Boeing 737, the agency did not inform the Russian airlines and regulatory authorities about the shortcomings of the airliners.

      IAC expressed the hope that at a meeting of the Federal Air Transport Agency "will bring to the attention of all interested parties" the position on the need for improvements to the Boeing 737.

      That is, they know that it is necessary to fix the problems, they are talking, they are communicating, but they are not brought to the parties of their operators in any way?
      ... ну "извините"! (с) Вовочка
    6. 97110
      97110 6 November 2015 12: 37 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Author, so what are you sharing? They are no longer dead.

      А он не уже погибших делит. Он ещё живых делит. И правильно делит. Тут "стоны Ахеджаковой" такие, что уши закладывает.
  2. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 6 November 2015 06: 00 New
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    Until we learn how to sympathize with EVERY deceased / innocently / - a penny to us !!! It’s another thing to arrange a journalistic show on TV and the media is complete idiocy.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 November 2015 06: 02 New
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      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Until we learn how to sympathize with EVERY deceased / innocently / - a penny to us !!!

      Take the first step - start with yourself. The second step is to educate this in your children.
  3. Finches
    Finches 6 November 2015 06: 04 New
    +3
    And so Remarkovskoe is embodied: "Смерть одного человека — трагедия, смерть миллионов — статистика".
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 6 November 2015 08: 30 New
      +1
      So, rather the opposite. The death of the driver / passenger in an accident no one will notice. And the death of two hundred people in a / k - mourning.
      Here the question is not in quantity, but in who is close and who is not. The Germans themselves said that the frozen corpses of the Red Army did not frighten them as much as the frozen corpses of Wehrmacht soldiers. Because of their own.
  4. venaya
    venaya 6 November 2015 06: 08 New
    +5
    ethically, this difference is in favor of a brothel: a brothel more honest - does not pretend to be innocence, as a night club does.

    And before, I often noticed that the most decent thing that was on the TV screen in the 90s was a guy, the rest was disgustingly disgraceful.
    those who died at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station had merits before the Fatherland, but there was no national mourning for them: they were neglected.

    А вот и результат "новых культурных традиций". Кто это мог предположить 24-ре года назад? А сколько десятков милионов человек мы не досчитались на сегодняшний день?
  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 6 November 2015 06: 15 New
    +6
    TRAUR, m.

    1. The state of grief over the deceased (as well as about some kind of calamity, catastrophe), expressed in the wearing of special clothes, in the abolition of amusement. In the family T. Country in ~ e.

    2. Clothing (usually black), a bandage worn as a sign of grief. Wear t. By mother.

    This is an extract from Ozhegov’s dictionary.

    TRAUR (especially nationwide) was originally an expression of recognition by the living of the merits of the deceased before the living.

    Author, where does the definition come from?
    I agree with the media about hysteria, but no about mourning. Our compatriots died, and the state of sorrow is a natural reaction. Fooling around about the moral qualities and material well-being of the victims is simply unacceptable.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 6 November 2015 07: 11 New
      -1
      То, что вы говорите о состоянии скорби - это этично и правильно, а вот градус истерии СМИ весьма разнится от случая к случаю, но журнашлюхи это делают не сами, а по указивке сверху. И что вы можете сказать о морально-этических реперах тех, "кто наверху"?
  6. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 6 November 2015 06: 18 New
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    Unlike those killed in the Lame Horse fire, those who died at the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station had merit before the Fatherland, but national mourning for them was not announced: they were neglected.

    Perhaps the answer to this question lies in this:
    The difference between a brothel and a nightclub for the rich, каким был клуб "Хромая лошадь", - не принципиального характера.

    Это я о том, к кому ближе те лица, в чьей компетенции принятие решений об объявлении общегосударственного траура по погибшим - к производственникам или же просто к "богатым людям". Вопрос риторический, ответа не требующий - мы живем при капитализме.
    А нездоровая шумиха в СМИ с "плачем Ярославны" по погибшим меня тоже начинает напрягать.
    Yes, I feel sorry for people, especially children, but they need to be mourned, but there is no need to make TV shows and a tragedy of a national scale out of this. To begin with, it would not hurt to pinpoint the causes of the crash and identify the real perpetrators and take action (depending on what happened: a technical malfunction, a terrorist attack (?) Or an error on the part of the crew - in this case, no more measures apply in view of the death of the perpetrators).
    The author of the article is respect.
    I have the honor.
  7. perm23
    perm23 6 November 2015 06: 25 New
    +2
    It is NOT necessary to equal all under one comb. Everything is different for everyone. I wrote here to express my sympathy and to understand what happened and why and how to do it so that it does not happen again. There was also grief for the people who died in the Lame Horse and for those who died at the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station. And why and who and how much declared mourning - it is somehow wrong to reason. Especially about moral qualities and welfare.
  8. Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 6 November 2015 06: 28 New
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    А по моему мнению- всё это шоу заказывает аэрбасовская контора... При первом падении "Баса" на изнанку вывернули жизнь экипажа, который до конкретно "тупой" был. И комиссия приговорила его. Здесь ищут след "терракта" и тож приговорят игиловцев, т.к. такой финт с нынешним экипажем нем проскочит- слишком большой опыт у него. Чтот случилось с рулями высоты, раз такие резкие скачки высоты. Экипаж просто не мог переводить борт из самоубийства в самоубийство. .... не удивлюсь, если выяснится, что это проделки Боинга! Французы лицо мистрализировали, а тут ещё могут и обаэробаситься! В любом случае знаю, что экипаж боролся до последнего!!! Пусть будет пухом земля..
  9. Signaller
    Signaller 6 November 2015 06: 29 New
    +6
    Personal opinion, I would just stand and pause. We must remember ALL. And to compare is not a matter. It is the same cheap event. The main thing is people. They left a bunch of relatives, children, relatives. Here it is necessary to pray for everyone. And how was the mourning announced ???? Yes, no difference. We all remember one thing and pray for the repose of their souls.
    1. dmb
      dmb 6 November 2015 11: 34 New
      -1
      Here the author writes about it. To stand and remain silent, paying tribute to the dead is a sacred thing, and every day boldly reporting to the whole country about finding fragments of children's bodies, this is cynicism and filth, This is done not at all to remember the dead.
  10. Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 6 November 2015 06: 35 New
    +3
    And everyone will remember in his own way, and not as it is NECESSARY. And on Easter I went all my life to the cemetery, and we remember not clinking glasses ..... but how it should be or not, I don't give a damn, because I pay tribute to the old tradition. The first toast is for the reason for the feast, the second is for those in the sky, and the third is not clinking glasses.
  11. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 6 November 2015 06: 40 New
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    Тема автором поднята весьма щекотливая,но поговорить об этом считаю необходимым.12 июля 2015 года в результате обрушения казармы в учебном центре ВДВ /г.Омск/ погибло 23 и было ранено 19 военнослужащих,по существу мальчишки,только приняли присягу.Траур был объявлен только в Омской области,видимо защитники Родины не заслужили общегосударственного траура.В Египет практически сразу вылетели два федеральных министра и батальон спасателей.В Омск ни кто,кроме командующего ВДВ,который и то там появился через не сколько дней."Самый лучший министр обороны всех времен и народов" не посчитал нужным посетить место трагедии в Омске,слова сочувствия и скорби родственникам погибших солдат господин министр обороны произнес только через не сколько дней,не публично и после подсказки господина Президента РФ.Видимо господин министр обороны считает чем-то обыденным гибель 23 десантников в мирное время раз не прибывает на место трагедии,не объявляет траур в ВС,не выступает с публичным заявлением.Да и сам господин Президент РФ и Верховный Главнокомандующий ВС РФ /самый главный солдат России/ выразил свои соболезнования родственникам погибших и раненых десантников как обычно-через свою пресс-службу.Смерть как известно равняет всех только вот скорбь и сострадание по погибшим получается у нас какое-то разное и равнодушное.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 November 2015 06: 42 New
    +9
    The topic in the article was raised painful, but worthy of attention. Indeed, sometimes, after another catastrophe, the question arises why these people are talked about loudly and a lot, and casually and reluctantly about others. If we empathize with each deceased, then the attitude of the media should be the same. Another vicious practice is from the first day to announce every half hour what amount relatives will receive for their dead relatives. And it has been procrastinating for N number of days. Instead of realizing and analyzing why and through whose fault people died and what needs to be done to prevent this from happening in the future, we are informed about the amount of monetary compensation.
    А во Франции "знаменитый" журналишко вышел с очередной карикатурой уже на нашу трагедию.
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 6 November 2015 10: 46 New
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The topic in the article was raised painful, but worthy of attention. Indeed, sometimes, after another catastrophe, the question arises why these people are talked about loudly and a lot, and casually and reluctantly about others.

      да дело не только в трагедиях. и тем более не в погибших. дело в желании засветиться, сделать себе рекламу на чьём то горе. показать себя главным защитником . как правило за счёт бюджета. даже если никто не погиб. вспомните сколько было "кампаний" за последние ...цать лет в поддержку тех же бюджетников, за счёт пенсионеров или ещё кого? бюджет не резиновый. небюджетники вообще оказывались за скобками. я 98г получал эквивалент 500 рублей и это была не самая низкая зарплата ,но митингов в свою поддержку не видел. вы не бюджетники... автор погорячился но в целом прав.
  13. press officer
    press officer 6 November 2015 06: 57 New
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    What are the merits of those who died as a result of a fire in a nightclub in front of the people? What did they do so socially useful to declare state mourning ethically competent? Why didn’t the themes generated by this tragedy leave the screens for two and a half weeks?
    The difference between a brothel and a nightclub for the rich, which was the Lame Horse club, is not a matter of principle. And in ethical terms, this difference - in favor of the brothel: the brothel is more honest - does not pretend to be innocent, as the nightclub does.

    Well, what can I tell you the author ... MINUS TO YOU FOR THE WHOLE M ... FACE!
    Уверенно заявлять, что Хромая лошадь была "борделем" или "клубом для богатых"- говорит о вашей полной не компетенции!
    Хотите расскажу о "богатых" пермяках которые погибли в тот день в этом клубе? Школьная подруга моей младшей сестры- отличница с золотой медалью окончив школу, поступила в ВУЗ и прекрасно его закончила, девчонка очень красивая и веселая, работала в медицинском учреждении. Пришла в тот день отметить помолвку своих друзей. Все погибли. Любимая женщина нашего пермского депутата (видимо по вашему примитивному мнению самая богатая в тот день в клубе)- красивая работающая женщина с маленькой дочерью, пришли хорошо провести тот вечер (вроде пятница была) после работы.Все погибли.Остался один ребенок. Моя приятельница- вместе работали много лет. Вернулась из Москвы и со своим мужем и друзьями отмечали ее возвращение домой. Он успел ее вытащить и потом вернулся за остальными... Там с друзьями и остался навсегда... У нее только обширный ожог дыхательных путей. И таких историй будет ровно на всех там присутствовавших! Если вам не нравится общегосударственный траур-вы же можете также как московская "элита" отмечать не "день траура", а например как в этот раз, Хэллоуин! Скачите как упыри и развлекайтесь! А наших погибших не смейте трогать! За каждым погибшим в "хромой лошади" или нашем "развалившимся в воздухе" над городом самолетом (все также погибли, если кто забыл!)- тяжёлая авиационная катастрофа, произошедшая 14 сентября 2008 года. Авиалайнер Boeing 737-505 авиакомпании «Аэрофлот-Норд» совершал регулярный пассажирский рейс SU821 по маршруту Москва — Пермь для материнской авиакомпании «Аэрофлот» по соглашению о совместных перевозках[2][3], но при заходе на посадку, не долетев, приблизительно, 11 километров до пермского аэропорта Большое Савино, лайнер рухнул на землю и полностью разрушился[4]. Погибли все находившиеся на его борту 88 человек — 82 пассажира и 6 членов экипажа.
    This is the first crash of a Boeing 737 in Russia. And it was also a day of sorrow, a day of mourning!

    And if you think that the Russian people should not remember and grieve for the dead, it means that you are not a Russian person! Is it a person? after such statements ..? If God forbid something like this happens to you or your family? Have you thought about it? We walk under God and no one knows what is destined for him! Run laughing laughing for state dough for the deceased? Most likely ... And we will refuse the whole country to arrange a day of mourning for your victims ... Do you like it? hardly! So once again, BIG MINUS BIG !!!!! And God be your judge.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 6 November 2015 07: 12 New
      +3
      I absolutely agree with you, the author just decided to scribble .. so to speak to join this tragedy ... he knows nothing about the burned-out club, and about those who died there! I live in Siberia, the town is not big, and I perfectly see that people sincerely all those who died and their relatives gelled, just as they did in the lame horse and on Sayano-Shushenskaya, especially since my city is on the third largest hydroelectric power station in Russia! Mourning is declared at the state level, grief should be in the hearts, and it’s visible that the Russians do not celebrate the day of mourning, namely, they grieve! The solidarity of the people in the war, the solidarity of the people in the grief of someone ... this is the health of the nation!
  14. EvgNik
    EvgNik 6 November 2015 07: 01 New
    +9
    a sense of artificiality and unusual zeal, why did this catastrophe suddenly cause such a surge?
    Есть такой момент. Количество статей и обсуждений превышает критический уровень. Могу ещё понять журналистов - жареные факты - их хлеб. Но постоянно обсасывать, смаковать детали - это уже недопустимый цинизм. Между прочим, чем кончилось дело "Хромой лошади"? Мыльным пузырём.
    1. venaya
      venaya 6 November 2015 07: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: EvgNik
      I can still understand the journalists - fried facts - their bread.

      This, in my opinion, is the worst! We get not useful information, but some kind of scraps - a continuous negative and not that it is useless, but frankly harmful both for ourselves and the whole society especially.
  15. viscount
    viscount 6 November 2015 07: 11 New
    +1
    Статье жирный "-"!!!

    Press Attachment +++++

    In general, there are unwritten rules when to declare national mourning - more than 100 people have died !!! Less - regional mourning !!!
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 6 November 2015 11: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Viscount
      In general, there are unwritten rules when to declare national mourning - more than 100 people have died !!! Less - regional mourning !!!

      If so, then your first comment is even emotional judging by the number of wax. signs, etc. - an explanatory mechanism for making such decisions.
      In all the tragedies our people died and this is our common grief and it is frightening to try to blame either side - the devastation in our heads begins ..
      С автором согласен только в том что излишне волну нагнали СМИ понятно , что это их хлеб, но к примеру Россия24 превратилась в эти дни в "юдоль скорби" вот здесь перебор.
  16. tanit
    tanit 6 November 2015 07: 11 New
    +6
    Ощущение от этой статьи -мерзкое. Автор истерит не хуже любого упомянутого им же СМИ. Причем - скорби в его "творении" не просматривается. Попытка нажиться на трагедии, но уже не "либеральная", а "патриотическая".
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 07: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: tanit
      Попытка нажиться на трагедии, но уже не "либеральная", а "патриотическая".

      And some of our commentators match him.
  17. ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 6 November 2015 08: 05 New
    +1
    The author is one piece of advice, submit your resume in CHARLIE EBDO, there you have a place ...... negative
  18. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 6 November 2015 08: 07 New
    +2
    The author of this opus is fit to work in the infamous French edition. The publishers of which one share did not benefit. They continue to mock people. Not enough one share. apparently, it is necessary to repeat.Charlie Ebdo mocks the dead
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 6 November 2015 08: 59 New
      0
      Kostya, what’s the minus? deign to explain. (minus do not care, but interesting) Do you support Charlie's publications?
  19. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 6 November 2015 08: 10 New
    +5
    Maybe I'll be wrong, sorry. This disaster occurred outside of Russia during the war in Syria, and therefore, unlike the previous ones, there is more attention to it, especially from foreign ones. And this strengthened the political component. And too much emphasis was placed on monetary compensation. And only a few emphasized that we were flying on unclear whose junk, that our aircraft industry was abandoned.
  20. fax66
    fax66 6 November 2015 08: 26 New
    +2
    And in my opinion, the author has only one question:
    What is the difference between a child’s death in a crashed plane in Egypt and a child’s death under a fallen crane in Omsk? .....
    1. Moore
      Moore 6 November 2015 08: 45 New
      +5
      The author does not have a question, but a juggling of concepts.
      Вот как слово "Траур"трактуется в Энциклопедическом словаре:
      Mourning - (German: Trauer) - .. 1) grief over the deceased, due to distress, catastrophe, expressed in any generally accepted signs, actions ... 2) Clothing, dressing, etc., of a certain color as a sign of grief.
      Somewhat different from the author, right?
      In other words: the death of a child on an airplane, along with two hundred more citizens of the country (or are we going to consider each separately?) Is slightly different from the death of a child with three more citizens of the country, the scale of the disaster and the number of citizens affected by the disaster.
      Что до авторского сравнения погибших посетителей "Лошади"(по сути - обычных работяг, студентов, служащих) с визитёрами борделя - это за гранью морали.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 6 November 2015 10: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: fax66
      What is the difference between a child’s death in a crashed plane in Egypt and a child’s death under a fallen crane in Omsk? .....

      Только тем,что у родителей ребёнка погибшего в Египте был выбор:лететь на отдых в Египет,или отдыхать дома,а у родителей ребёнка ,погибшего в Омске,такого выбора не было.Как гласит народная пословица:"Сытый голодного не разумеет".Ну а голодный сытого не любит.Социальная несправедливость-это серьёзная угроза государству.И она разростается.А перед Богом все равны.
  21. V.ic
    V.ic 6 November 2015 09: 05 New
    +1
    To the author of the article: you can’t ride on the bones of people.
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 6 November 2015 11: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: V.ic
      To the author of the article: you can’t ride on the bones of people.

      so do not download. even in expressing condolences and support, a measure and justice are needed. without busting. dead earth rest in peace. it’s not even a matter of mourning, but of the intensity of emotions and the number of publications which sometimes leads to reflection. unpleasant and.
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  22. zakamsk1971
    zakamsk1971 6 November 2015 09: 52 New
    +2
    The author is smelly! In ,, Lame Horse ,, the son of my first class teacher, a simple cheerful guy, died. Not for you, ok, to judge. I hope that there will be no mourning for you!
  23. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 6 November 2015 09: 54 New
    +5
    На самом деле, автор явно хотел выразить то мнение, которая бродит в умах не всех, но достаточно многих. Это не подтасовка понятий даже, это не вполне конкретное выражение своих мыслей. Я пару дней назад писал примерно о том же у себя в ЖЖ. А на самом деле, все предельно просто: есть горе, есть траур, есть скорбь. А есть пляски на гробах, которые сильно отдают вампиризмом. К сожалению, у нас в стране одно перерастает в другое очень быстро. И людское горе начинает цинично использоваться для приобретения капитала и получения прибыли - выскочить в лидеры рейтинга, заработать хоть какую известность, просто прокукарекать - а там хоть не рассветай. В этом отношении я совершенно согласен с мнением одной журналистки из Соснового Бора: траур (точнее говоря, умение его соблюдать и чувство меры) является частью общей культуры. С которой у нас, как показывают события, не очень... И еще: попытки разделить мертвых на "плохих" и "хороших" считаю совершенно аморальными. По этим, мол, объявим траур, а по этим нет. Смерть всегда трагедия, и в этом смысле гибель пешехода на "зебре" под машиной обкурившегося урода - трагедия, и гибель пассажиров самолета - точно такая же трагедия. Разница только в масштабах. Иначе Оруэлл какой-то получается: "Все мертвые равны, но есть мертвые, которые равнее других".
  24. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 6 November 2015 10: 00 New
    +3
    Oh times! Oh manners! (lat. O tempora! O mores!) The cynicism of some media and politicians is often off scale. In order to promote, they climb into any event, just to be noticed. Recently I read an article in one of our liberal publications. They say Russia is marsh and mourn then, really does not know how. We should learn from Europe. Why they say the President did not come with flowers did not meet the board with the remains of the dead, etc.
  25. Zaus
    Zaus 6 November 2015 11: 15 New
    +3
    Любая смерть плоха.И меня всегда раздражало,когда после крупных ЧП государство начинало "забрасывать" деньгами родственников пострадавших.Чем гибель в авиакатастрофе лучше гибели в автокатастрофе?! Чем гибель от терракта лучше гибели от ножа хулигана в подворотне?Почему родственникам сбитого на зебре пешехода не выплачивают многомиллионные (государственные) компенсации? И в то же время родственникам громкого ЧП начинают выплачивать мэры,губернаторы,полпреды,правительство!..Получается-человек становится важным для государства,только если погиб в определённый момент.И не важны уже его заслуги перед обществом,семьёй,страной..
    To the author "+"
  26. Anubis
    Anubis 6 November 2015 11: 26 New
    +3
    To the author plus. I also thought about this a few days ago and also came to a similar conclusion. I agree that this is a great tragedy when so many people die at the same time when the plane crashes and I grieve for the dead. But the intensity of passions in the media is simply transcendental (both in ours and foreign) and not comparable in other tragedies that occurred precisely on the territory of our country.
  27. Wildfox
    Wildfox 6 November 2015 11: 48 New
    +1
    Let there be srach !!!! The most interesting to the author, no one told why the mourning for those killed at the hydroelectric power station
    not announced, but he ran into merit.
    If the tragedy is very out of the general statistics for the industry, then mourning will be announced !!! Tipo excuse of the government that this is an accident and not a pattern. Now think how many people die in man-made disasters, that 74 people seem to be out of statistics but somehow not very. And one more average mortality rate among firefighters is 25% and no one declares mourning for the dead, and their merits are undeniable.
    This practice of using mourning among others is valid in many countries.
    hi
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 6 November 2015 14: 24 New
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      Quote: WildFox
      And one more average mortality rate among firefighters is 25% and no one declares mourning for the dead, and their merits are undeniable.

      hi
      What is the number? Do you need to understand that 25% of firefighters die? A guard of 6 people left, and four and a half returned from each fire? Or a 25% loss in a year? Or 25% do not live up to retirement? Rave. And in general, the article pointed to distortions in the consciousness of society and the state, and the discussion, excuse me, is solid.
  28. vladimirw
    vladimirw 6 November 2015 12: 46 New
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    I don’t need to write such a thing now, later I would probably put a plus. And the victims of the hydroelectric power station - in the same place, in fact, the red electrician and K are to blame, well, what mourning for them?
  29. sledge
    sledge 6 November 2015 12: 49 New
    +4
    And here liberals belay ? I’ll say to myself - for me there was mourning, mourning for the dead CHILDREN!, And the same for adults. For me there was mourning in past disasters (Perm, Kazan, etc.) And it doesn’t matter (for me at least) the victims had services to the Country or not.
    То что СМИ спекулируют на горе - это ДА! Слишком много аналитиков, "экспертов" в области возможных причин. Это коробит.
  30. Starik72
    Starik72 6 November 2015 12: 55 New
    -1
    You can’t delay the death of one or a thousand people, that’s what the author of the article wanted to say, but failed to focus attention on this. As for the comments, I’ll write as they say in the people: Everyone judges any information because of its corruption.
  31. Stas57
    Stas57 6 November 2015 13: 14 New
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    Объявлять общегосударственный траур по поводу погибших в результате пожара в "борделе"* - not only Russia knew this, but not a single country in the world


    Romanian Prime Minister Victor Ponta announced national mourning in connection with a fire in a nightclub in Bucharest.
    In connection with the tragedy, a decision of the Romanian government will declare a three-day mourning in the country.

    In the capital of Bulgaria, Sofia, at least seven teenagers died under the rubble of a collapsed building, which housed a popular disco.
    Parvanov said that on the day of the funeral of the dead in Bulgaria will be declared national mourning


    Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff declared an official three-day mourning in the country in connection with the tragedy at a disco in the city of Santa Maria, on the eve of the fire killed 233 people


    Такое расхождение в подходах к освещению подобной тематики ставит вопрос о его нравственной подоплёке, что делит общество во мнениях, и раскол этот весьма заметен. Всё это делается неспроста, а является своеобразным сигналом обществу от либеральной "элиты" о её этических приоритетах, о том, на кого она опирается в своей политике. Like it or not, vacationers in Sharm el-Sheikh and working in the countryside somewhere in the Pskov region are hardly the same people, and therefore some circumstances need to be clarified:
    and then, of course, the ram flowed from the author. Charm, like Egypt, is one of the cheapest resorts, resorts for very poor people, a family resort.
    Resorts in Egypt, Bulgaria and Turkey, which can afford people with incomes below the average, pensioners, students.
    This is not Monaco, not Mexico, not fashionable islands.
    Therefore, the average hard worker from Pskov, Orel, or Samara will earn money just for Sharm.
    And where else to go swimming in November with the whole family?

    Schoolchildren perished, children perished, many families perished, ordinary people perished, and only the last piece of the ram sits and compares, but have they correctly appointed mourning?

    tfu, just as I read on the censor, did not expect from a topwar, purely a censor, there they will jump the same and you go there ...
    author, you are a bad person, envious and your soulmate is evil and black
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 6 November 2015 14: 39 New
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      Quote: Stas57
      author, you are a bad person, envious and your soulmate is evil and black

      автор высказал недопустимое сравнение погибших посетителей ночного клуба. вас это справедливо возмутило. согласен. вы справедливо описали автора. а теперь скажите одно за этот год в различных авариях погибло и было покалечено не 100 или 200 а несколько десятков тысяч человек. среди них уж поверьте хватало хороших людей. после них тоже остались безутешные родственники. возьмётесь объяснить им в лицо почему об этом молчат, а по 100 погибшим объявляют траур и стараются помочь. перечитайте что вы написали автору так вот вас двое. но дело не только в этом такие траурные кампании дестабилизируют ситуацию в стране сильнее чем теракт, точнее это и есть террор. террор означает страх. почитал ваше мнение и как "эхо Москвы" послушал. спокойнее надо быть, объективнее что ли.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 6 November 2015 15: 33 New
        -1
        what is verbiage?
        you understand, it is very difficult to explain to the not very reasonable person the rules and foundations of social behavior, that if someone died from his relatives, then this is family, personal grief. If the mass death is an airplane or ship is public.
        honest and decent people do not need to explain this.
        I buried all my relatives and friends, mother, father, but I have no idea to blame Putin that there was no national mourning for my relatives and they did not pay me 2 million.

        I don’t have any reason to consider the visitors of HL bl * d, brothels, and laugh at the tragedy of the Transvaal (and such were-like Muscovites stsuki completely snickering there), there is no desire to measure the number of other people's compensations with a ruler.
        pah, but how does such a thing even occur to some!

        I am sincerely sorry for those who died on the plane, my most sincere condolences.
        therefore, the author of the article is a rotten person.
        1. Starik72
          Starik72 6 November 2015 18: 55 New
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          Stas 57. Do not blame the author, but blame the media, TV and the magazine. It is they who fan the hysteria about the death, where and how it happened, and who is to blame for it.
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 6 November 2015 19: 13 New
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            media need a reason.
            an occasion is always needed, but after 5 / 7 days everything will be forgotten and the occasion will change.

            However, this does not give the author the right to delve into and blame the dead for flying or dancing.

            conscience must be, tact and understanding of the moment, in spite of any media.

            ps. open any topic on the plane and see how much condolences were expressed, and how many Topvarovites got into a bicker because of the reasons for the fall, version one is delusional to another ....
            experts pancake. And you say the media ...

            upd
            So the author tried to focus attention on this, but he didn’t succeed. Here I was given a minus for writing that: IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO Pray for the theme of the death of one or a thousand people, wherever and for what reason it would not happen.

            what do we care about the cons)
            Here the main thing as the author has pointed out — it would be better if he didn’t speak at all — and in KhL he had those killed in a brothel, and you see, not peasants were flying on the plane. and the bourgeois, although it is clear that there were not ministers and deputies, but ordinary hard workers ...
            rotten man, as you know, it’s better to be silent about the dead, and not to arrange races here as in the Censor - people died, children died, and then it begins, why they were paid, why mourning, tfu
  32. Alexxas
    Alexxas 6 November 2015 13: 36 New
    +1
    The author's message is clear: a lot of noise - power is bad!
    The following is also clear: there would be little noise - power is indifferent to the troubles of the people, and therefore - disgusting!
    I think that ethical issues do not matter (for the author of the opus) - the main thing: to blame the authorities!
    In the second case, the authorities would certainly have a similar article. hi
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  34. Basil50
    Basil50 6 November 2015 14: 16 New
    -1
    The author is right in his questions. This became possible with mass * production * of all kinds of figures from * mass culture *. Look at how important and meaningful they are about what they don’t understand. Just * pique vests *, and it’s understandable why there are so many of them in * TV * and radio. They professionally make smart faces, perfectly remember the text and, as a rule, do not improvise, which is also convenient for conducting shows on TV. Naturally, for them, the tragedy in the show is closer than any technological disaster. After all, everything is obvious and there is no need to try to understand the causes of the disaster. Therefore, such different reactions to the tragedy.
    1. tanit
      tanit 6 November 2015 17: 07 New
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      Quote: Vasily50
      The author is right in his questions.
      Of course, for the author
      Quote: Vasily50
      it is important and meaningful to talk about what they don’t understand.

      И вместо "шоу" автор изображает "гневный протест".
      Both that, and another - an abomination. And about aesthetics ... Well, the word is in the title of the opus ...
      Так вот -с эстетичностью у автора все "в порядке". Можно публиковать на цензоре. Тамошние эстеты оценят и поддержат.
  35. AlexSam
    AlexSam 6 November 2015 15: 47 New
    -2
    забросайте меня камнями, но мне непонятен смысл и цель этой статьи... ощущение, что автору до безумия хотелось написать что-то этакое, и он написал... авиакатастрофа и сочувствие человеческое повод... катастрофа и глумление бандерлогов тоже было бы поводом, но оно на сей раз потонуло в волне сочувствия... тагедия в "Белой Лошади" и трагедия на ГРЭС... возможно, родственники погибших там тоже прочли эту статью и вряд ли заистерили, поддерживая мысли автора... для них это просто горе, личное горе, в котором им все равно, федерального или регионального масштаба траур... недавно умерла третьесортная (ИМХО) певичка, вот где горе было... а за день до ее смерти и на следующий день послее нее умерли еще сотни человек от этой же болезни, и никто об этом не узнал... ну СМИ, считающие, что общество это они, у нас такие... ну и что? и что и кому показал автор? мне - ничего, вам - не знаю...

    зы. Сто лет назад один теоретик написал труд под названием "Детская болезнь левизны во всем российском, чего не коснись"... есть темы, где российское синоним лучшее, но в целом актуальный труд, а чел провидец...
  36. Starik72
    Starik72 6 November 2015 18: 45 New
    +2
    Even in Soviet times, when a person died at work, wherever he worked. They always looked for the cause of death. If the deceased was to blame, they did not punish anyone, and they helped relatives with the funeral. If they did not find the cause of death, they looked for excuses the top suffered, and as a rule the TB engineer or foreman, the foreman, suffered, and the relatives of the deceased were assisted. Listen to what ordinary people say on the street, but they don’t say anything unless you touch on this topic. But for zhurnalyug and the media this is an occasion to verbally observe and arrange a SHOW on TV. So the author tried to focus on this, but he did not succeed. So they gave me a minus for the fact that I wrote that: IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO Pray for the theme of the death of one or a thousand people, wherever and for what reason it would not happen.
    1. tanit
      tanit 6 November 2015 20: 12 New
      -1
      If it is so important to you, then I give you a plus. But. About Soviet time, you also obviously forgot to say about the party party. About the party committee of the workshop, the site ... Or didn’t they forget? Did not know or were silent? Anyway.
      But about the fact that
      Quote: Starik72
      So the author tried to focus on this, but he did not succeed.

      Получилось у него. Перепись "этичных" прошла. Заострил автор. Так на цензоре острят, даже когда выдумывают. А тут -такое "счастье". Мразь этот "Ваш" автор.
  37. tanit
    tanit 7 November 2015 08: 12 New
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    "Вот не вили б воробьи дня над тризною..."
  38. Acidburn
    Acidburn 8 November 2015 14: 48 New
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    Полагаю, комментирующих со знаком "+" волнует ажиотаж созданный СМИ вокруг трагедии, ведь общенародная скорбь является по сути техникой управления массами (По ЛеБону), и посыл незатейлив: "Те, кого мы усмиряем на востоке, угрожают и нам".
    As for the actions held in St. Petersburg, there is a lot of homogeneous mass - these are families with children, whom this event shocked. Many of those who have young children, who ever flew planes with them and prayed before take-off and landing, treated this as a personal tragedy. It’s enough to try to imagine how a mother with a baby in her arms could realize that the plane would now fly apart, what were her actions, how much grief was in her cry, and this would be enough to go to the Palace with candles, flowers and children's toys.
    If there were no reaction of the masses to the message of the tragedy, this would be a significant omission in the current political course. Here and Orthodoxy and Nationality)
  39. GDV
    GDV 8 November 2015 15: 32 New
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    About the dead or good or nothing.
    A prayer is better to remember.