Mourning??? Ethical moments of what happened ...

Mourning??? Ethical moments of what happened ...



It is well known that excited emotions are a bad help for sober assessments, therefore, in the name of adequacy, I found it necessary to write this note when the first and most powerful wave of them began to decline. And although история this is still far from over, and the search for the causes of the plane crash in Egypt is now in full swing, the public reaction has mostly already occurred, and I would like to focus on it.

Reading the comments on the Internet, in particular at VO, I nevertheless realized that I was far from alone in my feeling of some regular mystery into which a significant part of our society and a considerable part of foreign ones somehow got involved. All this action is actively spurred by the media, scoring 3 / 4 broadcasting networks with reports about the "crash of a Russian airliner."

Tragedy? Of course! But although the Tatarstan air crash of the Boeing-737 airline and the crash of the crashed team of Lokomotiv hockey players, and much more, are still fresh in memory, this time the theme is “savoring” with some kind of epic scale that always alarms me ...

There is some dissonance in this stream of sincere grief over the dead and bloated (pseudo -?) With the participation of the crowd involved in some all-Russian "flash mob" of sympathy. So many condolences, repetitive sentimental photos and hashtags in social networks, sad poems ... In theory, the soul should feel better from such a union in a gloomy moment, but I do not leave an unpleasant feeling of some kind of artificiality and unusual diligence, why suddenly this catastrophe caused such a surge ?

And in the comments I saw a lot of similar misunderstandings on this subject: people sympathize, but they are perplexed about how to single out some before others who died in similar circumstances, not to mention the scale of memorable actions that make them feel, to put it mildly, embarrassing when in mind involuntarily you compare them with rare and pale reports with a running line about tribute to the memory of veterans of the Great Patriotic War, about those who died in the execution of the next task of law enforcement officers, etc.

Such a discrepancy in the approaches to the coverage of such subjects raises the question of its moral background, which divides society in opinions, and this split is very noticeable. All this is done for a reason, and is a kind of signal to society from the liberal "elite" about its ethical priorities, about who it relies on in its policy. Say what you like, but vacationers in Sharm el-Sheikh and working in the countryside somewhere in the Pskov region are hardly the same people, and therefore some circumstances need to be clarified:

Official prayer for those who have died or perished in their moral basis, he has compassion for those who have departed to another world, Love for them and forgiveness by the people who continue to live of all that the departed did not do so, as it was necessary for man to do in the course of God's providence. Those. even if the deceased is deeply sinful, then there will be people who will forgive him and will sincerely pray for his soul, not only in spite of his sins, but in spite of them, and this is normal.

MOURNING (especially statewide) initially - expression of recognition by the living of certain merits of the dead before the living. These merits can be both true and false (that is, the society, due to the widespread sinfulness in it, can be mistaken in its assessment of the merits of sinners). But if there is no merit, then there is no ethical reason for mourning.

FROM THE RECENT PAST:

After the fire in the Lame 7 December, 2009 was declared the day of nationwide mourning (111 died immediately, more than 130 hospitalized victims of varying severity, of whom more than 30 died within the next two weeks).
After the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP 7 in August 2009, which killed 76 people and caused heavy damage to the production potential of the country - mourning was declared only in Khakassia (in the subject of the Russian Federation, in which the hydroelectric station is located) and "departmental" mourning was announced enterprises of the company Rus-Hydro. There was no mourning for the workers who died in the performance of their official duties.

The question is: What are the merits of the victims of the fire in a nightclub before the people? What did they do so socially useful to declare nationwide mourning was ethically legitimate? Why did the topics generated by this tragedy not go off the screens for two and a half weeks? Why from the state budget - i.e. from public funds - to the detriment of the common people were paid compensation to the victims and those killed at the party, and not at least from the funds of the owners of the burned-out club, who did not bother to provide security in it? To declare national mourning over those who died as a result of the fire in the "brothel" * - not only Russia knew this, but not one country in the world ... This does not mean that those killed in the Lame Horse fire are not worthy of compassion and requiem prayers, but as well as the sorrow and memory of their loved ones. But their death - can not be a cause for nationwide mourning.

Unlike those killed in the Lame Horse fire, those who died at the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station had merit before the Fatherland, but national mourning for them was not announced: they were neglected.

* The difference between a brothel and a nightclub for the rich, which was the Lame Horse club, is not a matter of principle. And in ethical terms, this difference - in favor of the brothel: the brothel is more honest - does not pretend to be innocent, as the nightclub does.
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  1. Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 05: 52 New
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    Author, so what are you sharing? They are no longer dead.
    1. nils 6 November 2015 06: 15 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Author, so what are you sharing?


      The question in the article is not about sharing people. but about politics that gained power in the state.
      Who is in their honor?
      Look at the list of full holders of the Order of Merit to the Fatherland.
      Half of the artistic elite (jesters, clowners, buffoons, hypocrites), who before, like suicides, were buried outside the city cemetery.
      Now behind the scenes a man of labor.
      Quote: "Unlike those killed in the Lame Horse fire, those killed at the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station had merits with the Fatherland, but there was no national mourning for them: they were neglected."
      And how do you like in the liberal-oligarchic system?
      There will still be roofing felts, oh, oh, oh.
      1. Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 07: 00 New
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        Quote: nils
        The question in the article is not about sharing people. but about politics that gained power in the state.
        Who is in their honor?

        I don’t know what the government has there, but people divide people.
        Quote: nils
        Quote: "Unlike those killed in the Lame Horse fire, those killed at the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station had merits with the Fatherland, but there was no national mourning for them: they were neglected."

        People died, what do you want? Some without mourning carry flowers and mourn, while others dance in mourning.
        1. Xanna 6 November 2015 09: 14 New
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          The author is right! Those who died in the Temple of the Horse should pay compensation to the club owners, not the budget. This is a mockery of taxpayers to pay from the state. treasury for such things.
          To the friends and relatives of the victims - I sincerely sympathize with everyone (the victims themselves - it doesn’t matter anyway), but compensation issues are a completely separate moment, which has nothing to do with sympathy.

          There are issues that need to be discussed whether we like it or not. Questions announcement state. mourning and compensation payments from state. The budget should be stipulated by a special government decree and no further return to this topic.
          In resolving political issues, there are also those that need to be discussed, even if it is not entirely ethical.
          Now, under the pretext of ethics, we are forced to pay for unclear what kind of death, despite the fact that there is a specific guilty party and he must pay.
          1. ARES623 6 November 2015 13: 34 New
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            Quote: Xanna
            This is a mockery of taxpayers to pay from the state. treasury for such things.

            Even the Lame Horse killed PEOPLE, taxpayers who have the right to provide the state with its security in a legal public place during the rest. But setting the scale of events would not hurt. Although there are pitfalls in the form of a degree of public resonance. And ignoring them will not work any power, neither democratic nor authoritarian. For the legitimacy of power depends on the attitude of the people towards it, these are very subtle matters.
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            ZKB 6 November 2015 14: 23 New
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            Are you guys impoverished because of = payments to victims? I understand that we are one people, grief happened, helped, well. The Russians never counted money for such events. To be honest, I am against sharing some of the dead from others. There is an opportunity to help, well, sometimes it is not.
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        2. Altona 6 November 2015 14: 25 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          People died, what do you want? Some without mourning carry flowers and mourn, while others dance in mourning.

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          The author put the emphasis a little incorrectly ... He tried to convey two points: 1) Insurance companies and the owner of the crash object (car, train, aircraft or sea vessel, complex man-made object) should pay for the tragedies of the car, air, and techno disasters; the state should not be involved compensation from the budget; 2) Media coverage of the tragedies takes place on a different scale, with more space being given to tragedies with tourists and vacationers than lost specialist hockey players, electricians, soldiers, etc.
        3. dr. sem 11 November 2015 12: 18 New
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          You do not have a place in ...
          1. Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 13: 28 New
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            Quote: dr. sem
            You do not have a place in ...

            In my opinion this is the place you made a mistake.
      2. hydrox 6 November 2015 07: 05 New
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        Quote: nils
        And how do you like in the liberal-oligarchic system?

        Correct article: it is quite obvious in which direction the moral and ethical accents are shifted in the brains of those in power, who prefer to mourn the major dregs of society who died on the Black Sabbath in the Horse, rather than honor the memory of those who died in the workplace as a result of the disaster that happened the fault of those in power is the same.
        And political authorities should be careful in determining the extent of the tragedy - either it is an airplane with a group of vacationers, or it is a mine with miners dying in the rubble ...
        1. Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 07: 25 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          mourn the major dregs of society who perished on the bl .. coven in "Horses"

          It’s you who call the dead people scum of society. Have you personally known at least one of the dead? No, so shut up the respected mouth or tell the relatives of the deceased.
          How it should go down, so that to such an extent it becomes a cynic.
          1. lelikas 6 November 2015 12: 31 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s you who call the dead people scum of society. Have you personally known at least one of the dead? No, so shut up the respected mouth or tell the relatives of the deceased.
            How it should go down, so that to such an extent it becomes a cynic.

            Articles were flooded as from a clogged toilet - yesterday in the contact attack began - there, too, the sorting began on worthy and not worthy, I had to unsubscribe from two groups.
          2. bastard 6 November 2015 13: 16 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s you who call the dead people scum of society. Have you personally known at least one of the dead? No, so shut up the respected mouth or tell the relatives of the deceased.
            How it should go down, so that to such an extent it becomes a cynic.

            Most gracious! Without defending your opponent, I’ll say that I don’t know what kind of people died on that ill-fated day in Lame Horse (what a poetic name the club has!), But I had a chance for 4 years (2007-2011, there was a difficult period in my life ) to work as a taxi driver in my city, where there are also nightclubs.
            I had to deliver this audience, both to clubs and from clubs. I will not post detailed descriptions of these flights, especially when traveling from the club, but I will only say one thing: this is, for the most part, the plot for the thriller. They go to the club already high, and go home or to the sauna in general insane, their eyes are glass, they are nonsense, a show-off car and fingers are fan-shaped, etc. And guys and girls! All moms and dads, at worst, uncle, work in the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the regional administration, all the cool bandits are their personal friends. . .
            Three times I got to the fists, although I weigh 90 kg, but they are under anesthesia, and after I got robbed with a knife (they didn’t give me any progress, guess why?) I left the taxi for good, excuse me, I'm afraid.
            A separate conversation is the staff of these institutions. I have to say right away - the most adequate people are the guards, I have never even seen a drink and are polite, I became friends with one. But page iptizers, girls for consummation, bartenders - just a "song"! It turns out that they have a very difficult, responsible and intellectual work! Stand alone su. tenders, pro, / prostitutes, nar .. kotgovtsy. In general - the audience is funny there, both old and young. I can write a novel, but I won’t.
            Such things, unpleasant sediment. And people, purely human, of course, are a pity.
      3. vovanpain 6 November 2015 08: 22 New
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        There is no need to divide people after the last line, before God all are equal, and the children who died are some kind of liberal-patriots
        Quote: nils
        And how do you like in the liberal-oligarchic system?

        You know, I also do not accept any liberal and oligarchic muck, but about the dead it’s either good or not to say anything at all, we must talk about the living.
        1. Mikhalych 6 November 2015 12: 06 New
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          You know, I also do not accept any liberal and oligarchic muck, but about the dead it’s either good or not to say anything at all, we must talk about the living.

          This expression sounds like this: About the dead, either good or nothing but the truth.
          That is, the truth can be said, even if it is bitter. I do not blame the dead. God's judgment on them has already taken place. In Orthodoxy there is no concept of mourning. It is supposed to pray for the dead to God, that he would have mercy on those who are not in Paradise.
          But the state is secular. Announced mourning, so announced. The author did not try to reveal the topic of our attitude towards the dead, but about the need to declare national mourning. This is a moot point.
          Now, if, for example, a nationwide mourning was announced about a hundred dead gays in the Blue Lagoon, how would you react to this?
      4. exSUman 6 November 2015 11: 19 New
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        Before you put a “+” I was offered to post at least 10 posts ... some idiocy ... why, if I like the position of someone I have to post 10 posts ?! Oh well, back to the pros and cons ... ++++++++++++++ ... shorter in the period!
      5. exSUman 6 November 2015 11: 19 New
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        Before you put a “+” I was offered to post at least 10 posts ... some idiocy ... why, if I like the position of someone I have to post 10 posts ?! Oh well, back to the pros and cons ... ++++++++++++++ ... shorter in the period!
      6. Max_Bauder 6 November 2015 11: 50 New
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        I trace this idea from the post of the author. By declaring and not declaring mourning, the state indemnifies victims in various ways. If in the case of the state, then from the budget of the country, i.e. from the money of taxpayers, and if in another case it may not be reimbursed at all, or reimbursed by the perpetrators.
        So, it will be right to “save” money with Kogaly Avia and others like them. If you have the right to charter ancient foreign airplanes, sell tickets to the "trough", risking the lives of ordinary people, you are kind enough to pay. And in general, to force them to undergo a state audit, to appoint a responsible person if the corruption component is proved to be executed. Also, to force the organizers of the "brothels" clubs to pay large sums from their own pockets, in case of tragedies, there is no money - to execute (like maniacs), for criminal negligence, which led to the death of a large number of people. Otherwise, you can’t fight it, only dramatically. By the way, I would like to recall about traffic rules with deaths, but this is a separate issue.
    2. Shick 6 November 2015 06: 46 New
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      hmm .. if it were the author’s relatives there wouldn’t be such an article ..
      ugly, just not humanly ..
      1. Dembel77 6 November 2015 08: 07 New
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        In a lame horse, not only majors came on this damned day! And do not comb all under one comb! Not only millionaires fly on airplanes, someone can save up for holidays for more than one year. But! And where does the state mourning? Mourning is the work of loved ones of the dead, those who knew the dead well! And there may be condolences from us, but only if they are sincere, and not on-duty phrases in order to cling to the grief of relatives! This is my firm opinion !!!!
        1. Monster_Fat 6 November 2015 08: 24 New
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          I don’t understand why the author is “surprised” about the fact that more attention is paid to the plane crash than to other tragedies that happened in Russia in previous years. Lord, but is it really difficult to understand that we do not live in an "airless" space, but surrounded by "sworn partners" who, frankly, unleashed a real "information" war against Russia over the past year, but that Russia made a "challenge" the whole "civilized" world with its external geopolitical "steps", having thrown up all this western "snake-box" - hence the increased attention of the world media to everything that happens in Russia and to what Russia is doing to this disaster in the same way. Russian media are also "galvanized" by similar attention from the West. The government and the leadership of Russia, in a state of "informational" war with the West, are constantly forced to reconcile their further actions and play safe, so as not to cause even greater attacks by the Western mob of "well-wishers" on our country .. I don’t understand what is incomprehensible ...
          1. Chertkov Oleg 6 November 2015 08: 41 New
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            TRAUR (especially nationwide) was originally an expression of recognition by the living of the merits of the deceased before the living. These merits can be both true and false (i.e., society, due to the prevalence of sinfulness in it, may be mistaken in assessing the merits of sinners). But if there is no merit, then there is no ethical reason for mourning.

            Judge not lest ye be judged. Leave criticism of the dead wherever they leave this world.
            The vision of how CHILDREN, young parents, just our fellow citizens, their thoughts in seconds of fading consciousness and cries - "Mom, dad, for what?" Imagine and shut up, completely.
            All this action is actively spurred by the media, scoring 3 / 4 broadcasting networks with reports on the "crash of the Russian airliner."
            The author also managed to increase this ratio, or not? Cool off already, all. May they rest in peace.
            1. scoop 6 November 2015 09: 12 New
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              Judge not lest ye be judged

              can you explain what this means?
      2. Sling cutter 6 November 2015 14: 56 New
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        I do not divide the dead into good and bad, I grieve for everyone the same ..., especially sorry for the children ...
        But there is one thought that haunts ...
        The state has withdrawn from the protection of its citizens, both in the production sphere and in everyday life.
        We somehow forget that for the past 25 years one big tragedy has been going on, in the 93rd they shot people in Moscow, there were explosions and hostage-taking, ships were sinking (eg, Bulgaria), there was also Domodedovo airport, after which the airport owners could not find in any way, there was a tragedy at the state district power station, etc. and so on, but people also die under the wheels of transport, people die and in the absence or untimely provision of medical care, people die from burning alcohol, die under suicides, not seeing any prospects , perish at the hands of each other and sometimes at the hands of drunken cops, at the hands of the crazy, manic, perish with terrifying periodicity ...
        And how is the death of one person different from mass death? The grief of family and friends is equally deep in each case ...
        We are already accustomed to daily deaths, which, with pleasure, daily cover the media for us, are simply used to it ... and now only mass deaths cause a public outcry ... And in these cases, the state responds quickly, expressing and accepting condolences and paying money to the families of the deceased, equating human life to some kind of monetary equivalent, instead of putting basic order in the country in all areas.
        “They” up there, suddenly, thought that it was easier to grieve with money ... instead of thinking about how to save people.
        Or maybe something is wrong in the kingdom itself?
        PS. Every day, through the federal channels, money is collected to various charitable foundations for operations for sick children, and people send their heartfelt help from the last penny ... And where is the state?
        It is busy with some of its more "important" matters ...
        Logically, we have been living in mourning with a lowered flag for 25 years ...
        After all, the main value for the state is HUMAN LIFE!

        I apologize for the confusion, it just boiled up and got tired hi
    3. Mihaylo Tishayshiy 6 November 2015 08: 49 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Author, so what are you sharing? They are no longer dead.

      The fact of the matter is that it is not the author of the dead people who shares, but our power. The author only pointed to this "sharing", and quite rightly was indignant.
      "About the dead - either good or nothing" - I support!
      But, when it’s “good” (state mourning) about vacationers and entertainers, and “no way” about workers and employees (oblivion at the state level) - it is VILOUS and ashamed of such power!
      1. Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 08: 57 New
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        Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        "About the dead - either good or nothing" - I support!

        Yeah, it's noticeable.
        Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        “NASTY and ashamed of such power!”

        You even turn people's deaths into another chance to spit in power. This is really disgusting.
        1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy 6 November 2015 10: 03 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          You even turn people's deaths into another chance to spit in power. This is really disgusting.

          But you turn the same reason and unsightly actions of the authorities into a chance to spit mine and those who agree with the author.
          I did not say anything against the mourning for those who died in the Horse and in the disaster over Sinai, and I feel no less sorry for these people than you. But for the fact that the authorities did not consider enough the death of people at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station and did not declare national mourning for them, should I kiss her (power) in the ass? Not I and not the author of the article, but the authorities divided these people into “worthy” and “not worthy”. You apparently like this “sharing" of power, for me it is vile.
          1. Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 11: 31 New
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            Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
            I said nothing against mourning for those killed in the "Horse"

            You put + koment in which the dead people were called garbage. This says a lot.
            1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy 6 November 2015 15: 08 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You put + koment in which the dead people were called garbage. This says a lot.

              This suggests that I put + or - the general meaning of the comment, and not the words taken out of it. And the meaning of the comment outraged you:
              Quote: hydrox
              And political authorities should be careful in determining the extent of the tragedy - either it is an airplane with a group of vacationers, or it is a mine with miners dying in the rubble ...

              But for some reason "those who fell in the workplace as a result of a disaster that occurred due to the fault of those in power“turned out to be less worthy of your attention (because you put a minus to this comment. But in general, if the authorities treated their citizens the same way, there would be nothing to argue about.
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    5. Scoun 6 November 2015 10: 28 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Author, so what are you sharing? They are no longer dead.

      Quote: nils
      The question in the article is not about sharing people. but about politics that gained power in the state.

      here is the IAC statement confirming that for *** we are sitting in soft chairs.

      IAC criticized the Federal Air Transport Agency for "risking" 20 million passengers. An explanation of yesterday's revocation of certificates for Boeing 737 aircraft was published on the website of the Interstate Aviation Committee.

      The statement notes that since the last crash in Kazan in November 2013, the Federal Air Transport Agency has repeatedly raised the question of the need for improvements to such aircraft.

      IAC indicates that the Federal Air Transport Agency did not take any action to impose restrictions on the operation of the Boeing 737, the agency did not inform the Russian airlines and regulatory authorities about the shortcomings of the airliners.

      IAC expressed the hope that at a meeting of the Federal Air Transport Agency "will bring to the attention of all interested parties" the position on the need for improvements to the Boeing 737.

      That is, they know that it is necessary to fix the problems, they are talking, they are communicating, but they are not brought to the parties of their operators in any way?
      ... well, sorry! (c) Little Johnny
    6. 97110 6 November 2015 12: 37 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Author, so what are you sharing? They are no longer dead.

      But he doesn’t divide the dead. He still shares the living. And rightly divides. Here the "groans of Akhedzhakova" are such that they are laying ears.
  2. tolmachiev51 6 November 2015 06: 00 New
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    Until we learn how to sympathize with EVERY deceased / innocently / - a penny to us !!! It’s another thing to arrange a journalistic show on TV and the media is complete idiocy.
    1. svp67 6 November 2015 06: 02 New
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      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Until we learn how to sympathize with EVERY deceased / innocently / - a penny to us !!!

      Take the first step - start with yourself. The second step is to educate this in your children.
  3. Finches 6 November 2015 06: 04 New
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    And so Remarkovskoe is embodied: "The death of one person - a tragedy, the death of millions - statistics".
    1. alicante11 6 November 2015 08: 30 New
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      So, rather the opposite. The death of the driver / passenger in an accident no one will notice. And the death of two hundred people in a / k - mourning.
      Here the question is not in quantity, but in who is close and who is not. The Germans themselves said that the frozen corpses of the Red Army did not frighten them as much as the frozen corpses of Wehrmacht soldiers. Because of their own.
  4. venaya 6 November 2015 06: 08 New
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    ethically, this difference is in favor of a brothel: a brothel more honest - does not pretend to be innocence, as a night club does.

    And before, I often noticed that the most decent thing that was on the TV screen in the 90s was a guy, the rest was disgustingly disgraceful.
    those who died at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station had merits before the Fatherland, but there was no national mourning for them: they were neglected.

    And here is the result of "new cultural traditions." Who could have imagined this 24 years ago? And how many tens of millions of people have we missed today?
  5. Mikhail m 6 November 2015 06: 15 New
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    TRAUR, m.

    1. The state of grief over the deceased (as well as about some kind of calamity, catastrophe), expressed in the wearing of special clothes, in the abolition of amusement. In the family T. Country in ~ e.

    2. Clothing (usually black), a bandage worn as a sign of grief. Wear t. By mother.

    This is an extract from Ozhegov’s dictionary.

    TRAUR (especially nationwide) was originally an expression of recognition by the living of the merits of the deceased before the living.

    Author, where does the definition come from?
    I agree with the media about hysteria, but no about mourning. Our compatriots died, and the state of sorrow is a natural reaction. Fooling around about the moral qualities and material well-being of the victims is simply unacceptable.
    1. hydrox 6 November 2015 07: 11 New
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      What you are saying about the state of sorrow is ethical and correct, but the degree of hysteria of the media varies greatly from case to case, but magazine whores do this not themselves, but according to the directions from above. And what can you say about the moral and ethical benchmarks of those “who are above”?
  6. Aleksandr72 6 November 2015 06: 18 New
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    Unlike those who died as a result of the Lame Horse fire, those who died at the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Plant had merits to the Fatherland, but there was no national mourning for them: they were neglected.

    Perhaps the answer to this question lies in this:
    The difference between a brothel and a nightclub for the richwhat the Lame Horse club was like - not of a fundamental nature.

    I’m talking about who the people closer to are in whose competence in deciding whether to declare national mourning for the deceased — to the production workers or simply to “rich people”. The question is rhetorical, requiring no answer - we live under capitalism.
    And the unhealthy hype in the media with the "cry of Yaroslavna" for the dead also begins to strain me.
    Yes, I feel sorry for people, especially children, but they need to be mourned, but there is no need to make TV shows and a tragedy of a national scale out of this. To begin with, it would not hurt to pinpoint the causes of the crash and identify the real perpetrators and take action (depending on what happened: a technical malfunction, a terrorist attack (?) Or an error on the part of the crew - in this case, no more measures apply in view of the death of the perpetrators).
    The author of the article is respect.
    I have the honor.
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    It is NOT necessary to equal all under one comb. Everything is different for everyone. I wrote here to express my sympathy and to understand what happened and why and how to do it so that it does not happen again. There was also grief for the people who died in the Lame Horse and for those who died at the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station. And why and who and how much declared mourning - it is somehow wrong to reason. Especially about moral qualities and welfare.
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    And in my opinion, the whole Airbass office orders the whole show ... At the first fall of the "Bas", the life of the crew, which was specifically "stupid", was turned inside out. And the commission sentenced him. They are looking for a trace of the "terrorist attack" and the Igilovites will also be sentenced, because such a feint with the current crew will slip through him; he has too much experience. What happened to the elevators, since such sharp jumps in height. The crew simply could not transfer the board from suicide to suicide. .... I won’t be surprised if it turns out that these are Boeing tricks! The French have mystified their faces, and then they can both get airborne! In any case, I know that the crew fought to the last !!! Let the earth rest in peace ..
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    Personal opinion, I would just stand and pause. We must remember ALL. And to compare is not a matter. It is the same cheap event. The main thing is people. They left a bunch of relatives, children, relatives. Here it is necessary to pray for everyone. And how was the mourning announced ???? Yes, no difference. We all remember one thing and pray for the repose of their souls.
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      Here the author writes about it. To stand and remain silent, paying tribute to the dead is a sacred thing, and every day boldly reporting to the whole country about finding fragments of children's bodies, this is cynicism and filth, This is done not at all to remember the dead.
  10. Babai Balkan 6 November 2015 06: 35 New
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    And everyone will remember in his own way, and not as it is NECESSARY. And on Easter I went all my life to the cemetery, and we remember not clinking glasses ..... but how it should be or not, I don't give a damn, because I pay tribute to the old tradition. The first toast is for the reason for the feast, the second is for those in the sky, and the third is not clinking glasses.
  11. Kilo-11 6 November 2015 06: 40 New
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    The author raised the topic very sensitive, but I think it is necessary to talk about it. On July 12, 2015, as a result of the collapse of the barracks in the training center of the Airborne Forces / city of Omsk /, 23 soldiers were killed and 19 were injured, in essence the boys, only the oath was taken. in the Omsk region, apparently the defenders of the Motherland did not deserve state mourning. Two federal ministers and a rescue battalion flew to Egypt almost immediately. No one except the commander of the Airborne Forces, who even appeared there in a few days. "The best defense minister of all time and peoples "did not consider it necessary to visit the scene of the tragedy in Omsk, the words of sympathy and grief to the relatives of the dead soldiers, the Minister of Defense said only a few days later, not publicly and after the prompting of Mr. President of the Russian Federation. Apparently, the Minister of Defense considers the death of 23 paratroopers to be something mundane in peacetime, he does not arrive at the scene of the tragedy, does not declare mourning in the armed forces, does not make a public statement. The President of the Russian Federation and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation / the most important soldier of Russia / expressed his condolences to the relatives of the dead and wounded paratroopers, as usual, through his press service. As you know, death equals everyone only here is the sorrow and compassion for the dead we get and indifferent.
  12. rotmistr60 6 November 2015 06: 42 New
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    The topic in the article was raised painful, but worthy of attention. Indeed, sometimes, after another catastrophe, the question arises why these people are talked about loudly and a lot, and casually and reluctantly about others. If we empathize with each deceased, then the attitude of the media should be the same. Another vicious practice is from the first day to announce every half hour what amount relatives will receive for their dead relatives. And it has been procrastinating for N number of days. Instead of realizing and analyzing why and through whose fault people died and what needs to be done to prevent this from happening in the future, we are informed about the amount of monetary compensation.
    And in France, the "famous" magazine came out with another caricature of our tragedy.
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      The topic in the article was raised painful, but worthy of attention. Indeed, sometimes, after another catastrophe, the question arises why these people are talked about loudly and a lot, and casually and reluctantly about others.

      Yes, it's not just about tragedies. and especially not in the dead. the point is the desire to light up, to make an advertisement for someone’s grief. show yourself as the main defender. usually at the expense of the budget. even if no one died. Remember how many “campaigns” there have been over the last ... years of support in support of the same state employees, at the expense of senior citizens or someone else? the budget is not rubber. non-budget workers generally found themselves out of brackets. 98g I received the equivalent of 500 rubles and it was not the lowest salary, but I did not see rallies in my support. you are not state employees ... the author got excited but is generally right.
  13. press officer 6 November 2015 06: 57 New
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    What are the merits of those who died as a result of a fire in a nightclub in front of the people? What did they do so socially useful to declare state mourning ethically competent? Why didn’t the themes generated by this tragedy leave the screens for two and a half weeks?
    The difference between a brothel and a nightclub for the rich, like the Lame Horse club, was not of a fundamental nature. Moreover, ethically, this difference is in favor of a brothel: a brothel is more honest - it does not pretend to be innocence, as a night club does.

    Well, what can I tell you the author ... MINUS TO YOU FOR THE WHOLE M ... FACE!
    Confidently declaring that the Lame Horse was a "brothel" or "club for the rich" - it speaks of your complete incompetence!
    Want to talk about the "rich" Permians who died that day in this club? My younger sister's school friend, an excellent student with a gold medal, graduated from high school, entered the university and finished it perfectly, the girl was very beautiful and funny, she worked in a medical institution. I came that day to celebrate the engagement of my friends. Everyone died. The beloved woman of our Perm deputy (apparently in your primitive opinion the richest in the club that day) is a beautiful working woman with a small daughter, they came to have a good evening (it was like Friday) after work. All died. One child remained. My friend, worked together for many years. She returned from Moscow and celebrated her return home with her husband and friends. He managed to pull it out and then returned for the others ... There with friends and stayed forever ... She has only an extensive burn of the respiratory tract. And such stories will be exactly on everyone present there! If you don’t like the national mourning, you can also celebrate the “day of mourning” as the Moscow “elite”, for example, like this time, Halloween! Download like ghouls and have fun! And do not dare touch our dead! For everyone who died in a "lame horse" or our plane "lounged in the air" above the city (everyone also died if someone forgot!) - a serious aviation accident that occurred on September 14, 2008. Aeroflot-Nord Airlines Boeing 737-505 made a regular passenger flight SU821 on the Moscow – Perm route for Aeroflot’s parent airline under a joint transportation agreement [2] [3], but when approaching, it didn’t reach approximately 11 kilometers to the Perm airport Big Savino, the liner crashed to the ground and completely collapsed [4]. Killed all 88 people on board - 82 passengers and 6 crew members.
    This is the first crash of a Boeing 737 in Russia. And it was also a day of sorrow, a day of mourning!

    And if you think that the Russian people should not remember and grieve for the dead, it means that you are not a Russian person! Is it a person? after such statements ..? If God forbid something like this happens to you or your family? Have you thought about it? We walk under God and no one knows what is destined for him! Run laughing laughing for state dough for the deceased? Most likely ... And we will refuse the whole country to arrange a day of mourning for your victims ... Do you like it? hardly! So once again, BIG MINUS BIG !!!!! And God be your judge.
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      I absolutely agree with you, the author just decided to scribble .. so to speak to join this tragedy ... he knows nothing about the burned-out club, and about those who died there! I live in Siberia, the town is not big, and I perfectly see that people sincerely all those who died and their relatives gelled, just as they did in the lame horse and on Sayano-Shushenskaya, especially since my city is on the third largest hydroelectric power station in Russia! Mourning is declared at the state level, grief should be in the hearts, and it’s visible that the Russians do not celebrate the day of mourning, namely, they grieve! The solidarity of the people in the war, the solidarity of the people in the grief of someone ... this is the health of the nation!
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    a sense of artificiality and unusual zeal, why did this catastrophe suddenly cause such a surge?
    There is such a moment. The number of articles and discussions exceeds a critical level. I can still understand the journalists - fried facts - their bread. But constantly sucking, savoring the details - this is already unacceptable cynicism. By the way, how did the Lame Horse affair end? Soap bubble.
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      I can still understand the journalists - fried facts - their bread.

      This, in my opinion, is the worst! We get not useful information, but some kind of scraps - a continuous negative and not that it is useless, but frankly harmful both for ourselves and the whole society especially.
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    Article bold "-" !!!

    Press Attachment +++++

    In general, there are unwritten rules when to declare national mourning - more than 100 people have died !!! Less - regional mourning !!!
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      In general, there are unwritten rules when to declare national mourning - more than 100 people have died !!! Less - regional mourning !!!

      If so, then your first comment is even emotional judging by the number of wax. signs, etc. - an explanatory mechanism for making such decisions.
      In all the tragedies our people died and this is our common grief and it is frightening to try to blame either side - the devastation in our heads begins ..
      I agree with the author only that the media overwhelmed the wave, it is clear that this is their bread, but for example, Russia24 has turned these days into a "vale of sorrow" here is too much.
  16. tanit 6 November 2015 07: 11 New
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    The feel of this article is disgusting. The author is hysterical no worse than any media mentioned by him. Moreover - grief in his "creation" is not visible. An attempt to cash in on the tragedy, but not “liberal”, but “patriotic”.
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      An attempt to cash in on the tragedy, but not “liberal”, but “patriotic”.

      And some of our commentators match him.
  17. ivan bogomolov 6 November 2015 08: 05 New
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    The author is one piece of advice, submit your resume in CHARLIE EBDO, there you have a place ...... negative
  18. lewerlin53rus 6 November 2015 08: 07 New
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    The author of this opus is fit to work in the infamous French edition. The publishers of which one share did not benefit. They continue to mock people. Not enough one share. apparently, it is necessary to repeat.Charlie Ebdo mocks the dead
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      Kostya, what’s the minus? deign to explain. (minus do not care, but interesting) Do you support Charlie's publications?
  19. mr.vasilievich 6 November 2015 08: 10 New
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    Maybe I'll be wrong, sorry. This disaster occurred outside of Russia during the war in Syria, and therefore, unlike the previous ones, there is more attention to it, especially from foreign ones. And this strengthened the political component. And too much emphasis was placed on monetary compensation. And only a few emphasized that we were flying on unclear whose junk, that our aircraft industry was abandoned.
  20. fax66 6 November 2015 08: 26 New
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    And in my opinion, the author has only one question:
    What is the difference between a child’s death in a crashed plane in Egypt and a child’s death under a fallen crane in Omsk? .....
    1. Moore 6 November 2015 08: 45 New
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      The author does not have a question, but a juggling of concepts.
      Here is how the word "Mourning" is interpreted in the Encyclopedic Dictionary:
      Mourning - (German: Trauer) - .. 1) grief over the deceased, due to distress, catastrophe, expressed in any generally accepted signs, actions ... 2) Clothing, dressing, etc., of a certain color as a sign of grief.
      Somewhat different from the author, right?
      In other words: the death of a child on an airplane, along with two hundred more citizens of the country (or are we going to consider each separately?) Is slightly different from the death of a child with three more citizens of the country, the scale of the disaster and the number of citizens affected by the disaster.
      As for the author’s comparison of the dead visitors of the “Horse” (in fact - ordinary hard workers, students, office workers) with visitors to the brothel - this is beyond morality.
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      What is the difference between a child’s death in a crashed plane in Egypt and a child’s death under a fallen crane in Omsk? .....

      Only because the parents of the child who died in Egypt had a choice: to go on vacation to Egypt, or to rest at home, but the parents of the child who died in Omsk did not have such a choice. As the saying goes: "A well-fed hungry one doesn’t understand." but the hungry doesn’t like the well-fed. Social injustice is a serious threat to the state. And it grows. And before God everyone is equal.
  21. V.ic 6 November 2015 09: 05 New
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    To the author of the article: you can’t ride on the bones of people.
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      To the author of the article: you can’t ride on the bones of people.

      so do not download. even in expressing condolences and support, a measure and justice are needed. without busting. dead earth rest in peace. it’s not even a matter of mourning, but of the intensity of emotions and the number of publications which sometimes leads to reflection. unpleasant and.
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  22. zakamsk1971 6 November 2015 09: 52 New
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    The author is smelly! In ,, Lame Horse ,, the son of my first class teacher, a simple cheerful guy, died. Not for you, ok, to judge. I hope that there will be no mourning for you!
  23. crazy_fencer 6 November 2015 09: 54 New
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    In fact, the author clearly wanted to express the opinion that wanders in the minds of not all, but enough. This is not a juggling of concepts, it is not a very concrete expression of one’s thoughts. A couple of days ago I wrote about the same thing in my LJ. But in fact, everything is extremely simple: there is sorrow, there is mourning, there is sorrow. And there are dances on the coffins, which greatly give vampirism. Unfortunately, in our country, one grows into another very quickly. And human grief begins to be cynically used to acquire capital and make a profit - to jump out into the leaders of the rating, to earn at least some fame, just to crow - and at least do not dawn there. In this regard, I completely agree with the opinion of one journalist from Sosnovy Bor: mourning (more precisely, the ability to observe it and a sense of proportion) is part of the general culture. With which we, as events show, are not very ... And yet: I consider the attempts to divide the dead into "bad" and "good" completely immoral. For these, they say, we will declare mourning, but for these not. Death is always a tragedy, and in this sense, the death of a pedestrian on a zebra under the car of a stoned freak is a tragedy, and the death of passengers on an airplane is exactly the same tragedy. The difference is only in scale. Otherwise, Orwell somehow turns out: "All the dead are equal, but there are dead who are more equal than others."
  24. vladimirvn 6 November 2015 10: 00 New
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    Oh times! Oh manners! (lat. O tempora! O mores!) The cynicism of some media and politicians is often off scale. In order to promote, they climb into any event, just to be noticed. Recently I read an article in one of our liberal publications. They say Russia is marsh and mourn then, really does not know how. We should learn from Europe. Why they say the President did not come with flowers did not meet the board with the remains of the dead, etc.
  25. Zaus 6 November 2015 11: 15 New
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    Any death is bad. And I was always annoyed when, after a major emergency, the state began to "throw" money over the relatives of the victims. Why is death in a plane crash better than death in a car accident ?! Why is death from a terrorist attack better than death from a hooligan’s knife in the gateway? Why don’t they pay the multimillion-dollar (state) compensation to the relatives of a pedestrian shot down on a zebra? And at the same time, mayors, governors, plenipotentiaries, the government begin to pay relatives of a high-profile emergency! It turns out that a person becomes important for the state only if he died at a certain moment. And his services to society, family, country are no longer important ..
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    To the author plus. I also thought about this a few days ago and also came to a similar conclusion. I agree that this is a great tragedy when so many people die at the same time when the plane crashes and I grieve for the dead. But the intensity of passions in the media is simply transcendental (both in ours and foreign) and not comparable in other tragedies that occurred precisely on the territory of our country.
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    Let there be srach !!!! The most interesting to the author, no one told why the mourning for those killed at the hydroelectric power station
    not announced, but he ran into merit.
    If the tragedy is very out of the general statistics for the industry, then mourning will be announced !!! Tipo excuse of the government that this is an accident and not a pattern. Now think how many people die in man-made disasters, that 74 people seem to be out of statistics but somehow not very. And one more average mortality rate among firefighters is 25% and no one declares mourning for the dead, and their merits are undeniable.
    This practice of using mourning among others is valid in many countries.
    hi
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      And one more average mortality rate among firefighters is 25% and no one declares mourning for the dead, and their merits are undeniable.

      hi
      What is the number? Do you need to understand that 25% of firefighters die? A guard of 6 people left, and four and a half returned from each fire? Or a 25% loss in a year? Or 25% do not live up to retirement? Rave. And in general, the article pointed to distortions in the consciousness of society and the state, and the discussion, excuse me, is solid.
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    I don’t need to write such a thing now, later I would probably put a plus. And the victims of the hydroelectric power station - in the same place, in fact, the red electrician and K are to blame, well, what mourning for them?
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    And here liberals belay ? I’ll say to myself - for me there was mourning, mourning for the dead CHILDREN!, And the same for adults. For me there was mourning in past disasters (Perm, Kazan, etc.) And it doesn’t matter (for me at least) the victims had services to the Country or not.
    The fact that the media speculate on the mountain is YES! Too many analysts, "experts" in the field of possible causes. It warps.
  30. Starik72 6 November 2015 12: 55 New
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    You can’t delay the death of one or a thousand people, that’s what the author of the article wanted to say, but failed to focus attention on this. As for the comments, I’ll write as they say in the people: Everyone judges any information because of its corruption.
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    Declare national mourning for those killed in a fire in a "brothel" * - not only Russia knew this, but not a single country in the world


    Romanian Prime Minister Victor Ponta announced national mourning in connection with a fire in a nightclub in Bucharest.
    In connection with the tragedy, a decision of the Romanian government will declare a three-day mourning in the country.

    In the capital of Bulgaria, Sofia, at least seven teenagers died under the rubble of a collapsed building, which housed a popular disco.
    Parvanov said that on the day of the funeral of the dead in Bulgaria will be declared national mourning


    Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff declared an official three-day mourning in the country in connection with the tragedy at a disco in the city of Santa Maria, on the eve of the fire killed 233 people


    Such a discrepancy in approaches to covering such topics raises the question of its moral background, which divides society in opinions, and this split is very noticeable. All this is done for a reason, but is a kind of signal to society from the liberal "elite" about its ethical priorities, about who it relies on in its politics. Like it or not, vacationers in Sharm el-Sheikh and working in the countryside somewhere in the Pskov region are hardly the same people, and therefore some circumstances need to be clarified:
    and then, of course, the ram flowed from the author. Charm, like Egypt, is one of the cheapest resorts, resorts for very poor people, a family resort.
    Resorts in Egypt, Bulgaria and Turkey, which can afford people with incomes below the average, pensioners, students.
    This is not Monaco, not Mexico, not fashionable islands.
    Therefore, the average hard worker from Pskov, Orel, or Samara will earn money just for Sharm.
    And where else to go swimming in November with the whole family?

    Schoolchildren perished, children perished, many families perished, ordinary people perished, and only the last piece of the ram sits and compares, but have they correctly appointed mourning?

    tfu, just as I read on the censor, did not expect from a topwar, purely a censor, there they will jump the same and you go there ...
    author, you are a bad person, envious and your soulmate is evil and black
    1. kashtak 6 November 2015 14: 39 New
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      author, you are a bad person, envious and your soulmate is evil and black

      the author made an unacceptable comparison of the dead visitors to the nightclub. it rightly outraged you. I agree. You rightly described the author. and now say one for this year in various accidents died and not a hundred or 100 but several tens of thousands were crippled. among them, believe me, there were enough good people. after them, too, inconsolable relatives remained. undertake to explain to them in person why they are silent about this, and they declare mourning for the 200 dead and try to help. re-read what you wrote to the author so there are two of you. but the point is not only that such mourning campaigns destabilize the situation in the country more than a terrorist attack, or rather this is terror. terror means fear. read your opinion and as an "echo of Moscow" listened. one must be calmer, more objective or something.
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        what is verbiage?
        you understand, it is very difficult to explain to the not very reasonable person the rules and foundations of social behavior, that if someone died from his relatives, then this is family, personal grief. If the mass death is an airplane or ship is public.
        honest and decent people do not need to explain this.
        I buried all my relatives and friends, mother, father, but I have no idea to blame Putin that there was no national mourning for my relatives and they did not pay me 2 million.

        I don’t have any reason to consider the visitors of HL bl * d, brothels, and laugh at the tragedy of the Transvaal (and such were-like Muscovites stsuki completely snickering there), there is no desire to measure the number of other people's compensations with a ruler.
        pah, but how does such a thing even occur to some!

        I am sincerely sorry for those who died on the plane, my most sincere condolences.
        therefore, the author of the article is a rotten person.
        1. Starik72 6 November 2015 18: 55 New
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          Stas 57. Do not blame the author, but blame the media, TV and the magazine. It is they who fan the hysteria about the death, where and how it happened, and who is to blame for it.
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            media need a reason.
            an occasion is always needed, but after 5 / 7 days everything will be forgotten and the occasion will change.

            However, this does not give the author the right to delve into and blame the dead for flying or dancing.

            conscience must be, tact and understanding of the moment, in spite of any media.

            ps. open any topic on the plane and see how much condolences were expressed, and how many Topvarovites got into a bicker because of the reasons for the fall, version one is delusional to another ....
            experts pancake. And you say the media ...

            upd
            So the author tried to focus attention on this, but he didn’t succeed. Here I was given a minus for writing that: IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO Pray for the theme of the death of one or a thousand people, wherever and for what reason it would not happen.

            what do we care about the cons)
            Here the main thing as the author has pointed out — it would be better if he didn’t speak at all — and in KhL he had those killed in a brothel, and you see, not peasants were flying on the plane. and the bourgeois, although it is clear that there were not ministers and deputies, but ordinary hard workers ...
            rotten man, as you know, it’s better to be silent about the dead, and not to arrange races here as in the Censor - people died, children died, and then it begins, why they were paid, why mourning, tfu
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    The author's message is clear: a lot of noise - power is bad!
    The following is also clear: there would be little noise - power is indifferent to the troubles of the people, and therefore - disgusting!
    I think that ethical issues do not matter (for the author of the opus) - the main thing: to blame the authorities!
    In the second case, the authorities would certainly have a similar article. hi
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  34. Basil50 6 November 2015 14: 16 New
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    The author is right in his questions. This became possible with mass * production * of all kinds of figures from * mass culture *. Look at how important and meaningful they are about what they don’t understand. Just * pique vests *, and it’s understandable why there are so many of them in * TV * and radio. They professionally make smart faces, perfectly remember the text and, as a rule, do not improvise, which is also convenient for conducting shows on TV. Naturally, for them, the tragedy in the show is closer than any technological disaster. After all, everything is obvious and there is no need to try to understand the causes of the disaster. Therefore, such different reactions to the tragedy.
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      The author is right in his questions.
      Of course, for the author
      Quote: Vasily50
      it is important and meaningful to talk about what they don’t understand.

      And instead of a "show," the author portrays an "angry protest."
      Both that, and another - an abomination. And about aesthetics ... Well, the word is in the title of the opus ...
      So, with the aesthetics of the author, everything is “in order”. You can publish on the censor. Esthetes there will appreciate and support.
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    throw me stones, but I don’t understand the meaning and purpose of this article ... the feeling that the author insanely wanted to write something like that, and he wrote ... a plane crash and sympathy for a human cause ... a catastrophe and mockery of banderlogs would also be an occasion but this time it drowned in a wave of sympathy ... the tragedy in the White Horse and the tragedy at the state district power station ... perhaps the relatives of the victims there also read this article and were hardly hysterical, supporting the author’s thoughts ... for them it’s just grief, personal grief in which they don’t care, on a federal or regional scale of mourning ... the third-rate (IMHO) song-maker recently died, that’s where the grief was ... and the day before her death and the next day after her hundreds more people died from the same disease, and no one knew about it ... well, the media, who believe that they are the society, we have such ... so what? and what and to whom did the author show? I don’t know anything, I don’t know ...

    PS. One hundred years ago, one theorist wrote a work entitled "Children's illness of leftism in everything Russian, why not touch it" ... there are topics where the Russian synonym is the best, but generally relevant work, and people are a seer ...
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    Even in Soviet times, when a person died at work, wherever he worked. They always looked for the cause of death. If the deceased was to blame, they did not punish anyone, and they helped relatives with the funeral. If they did not find the cause of death, they looked for excuses the top suffered, and as a rule the TB engineer or foreman, the foreman, suffered, and the relatives of the deceased were assisted. Listen to what ordinary people say on the street, but they don’t say anything unless you touch on this topic. But for zhurnalyug and the media this is an occasion to verbally observe and arrange a SHOW on TV. So the author tried to focus on this, but he did not succeed. So they gave me a minus for the fact that I wrote that: IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO Pray for the theme of the death of one or a thousand people, wherever and for what reason it would not happen.
    1. tanit 6 November 2015 20: 12 New
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      If it is so important to you, then I give you a plus. But. About Soviet time, you also obviously forgot to say about the party party. About the party committee of the workshop, the site ... Or didn’t they forget? Did not know or were silent? Anyway.
      But about the fact that
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      So the author tried to focus on this, but he did not succeed.

      It turned out with him. The census of "ethical" has passed. Pointed the author. So the censor is sharp, even when invented. And here is such "happiness." Scum this "Your" author.
  37. tanit 7 November 2015 08: 12 New
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    "Behold, the sparrows of the day did not wobble over the Trisna ..."
  38. Acidburn 8 November 2015 14: 48 New
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    I believe those who comment with a “+” sign are worried about the excitement created by the media around the tragedy, because nationwide sorrow is essentially a mass management technique (According to LeBon), and the message is simple: “Those whom we pacify in the east also threaten us.”
    As for the actions held in St. Petersburg, there is a lot of homogeneous mass - these are families with children, whom this event shocked. Many of those who have young children, who ever flew planes with them and prayed before take-off and landing, treated this as a personal tragedy. It’s enough to try to imagine how a mother with a baby in her arms could realize that the plane would now fly apart, what were her actions, how much grief was in her cry, and this would be enough to go to the Palace with candles, flowers and children's toys.
    If there were no reaction of the masses to the message of the tragedy, this would be a significant omission in the current political course. Here and Orthodoxy and Nationality)
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    GDV 8 November 2015 15: 32 New
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    About the dead or good or nothing.
    A prayer is better to remember.