Kawasaki launched the newest submarine

The Japanese corporation Kawasaki Shipbuilding launched the newest shock-propulsion submarine Sekiry. This 8 is the “Soryu” class heavy submarine, recognized by experts as one of the best in the world. TASS.

Submarine class "litter".

"The" Sekiryu "4200 ton displacement and 84 meter length is armed with 6 th torpedo tubes that can also fire harpoon-class ship-to-ship missiles"- reports the agency.

It is noted that "in terms of the duration of their stay under water, the diesel-electric submarines data approach the characteristics of nuclear submarines and are notable for their considerable noiselessness."

Currently, Australia, which plans to launch production of submarines in its territory, announced its intention to cooperate with Kawasaki Shipbuilding.

In total, the Japanese Navy has at its disposal 16 combat and two training submarines.

Comments

[vodolaz]

Didn't even know what Kawasaki U-boat does. In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.

[seos]

They were culturally broken ...

[marlin1203]

Wow broke ... 16 dap in the ranks. We do not have so much for the entire Navy.

[marlin1203]

Why minus? Do we have any more dap? Knowledgeable people, please! ..

[gjv]

Quote: marlin1203

Do we have any more dap?

- Project 20120 submarines - 1 unit.
- DEPL project 641B - 1 unit.
- DEPL project 877 / V / ECM - 16 units.
- DEPL project 677 - 1 unit.
- DEPL project 06363 - 3 units.
In total - 22 units.

[Starina_hank]

It is necessary to count at the theater, and not on a global scale!

[Starina_hank]

It is necessary to count at the theater, and not on a global scale!

[avt]

Quote: gjv

- Project 20120 submarines - 1 unit.

"Sarov" is a cunning boat and the public does not really understand why and why. Either it is an experimental one, or it is attributed to some kind of GUGI.

Quote: gjv

- DEPL project 677 - 1 unit.

So it’s not at all accepted yet.

Quote: gjv

- DEPL project 06363 - 3 units.

One, after the transition, “paint” and will “paint” until April 2016, “Rostov-on-Don” forgot something at the manufacturing plant, maybe Krasnodar will be released to the Black Sea Fleet.

Quote: gjv

- DEPL project 641B - 1 unit.

Himself not funny?

Quote: gjv

- DEPL project 877 / V / ECM - 16 units.

And who is after repair, who is under repair and who is waiting for repair, but who is actually at the Pacific Fleet ??? So they have a new "Soryu", but we still have a hiryu. We are waiting with.

[YARUSSIAN39]

no one will tell you in what condition they are, maybe I’ll build 16, but on the go 7-8 pieces, purely my opinion)

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: marlin1203

Wow broke ... 16 dap in the ranks. We have so much for the whole Navy

- Yes, but we don’t have a single MIG-21 in service, and India has a WHOLE 246!

[Sirs]

Maybe they broke it? I think they will stab at the right time in the back of the United States. You will see !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Finches]

Joseph Vissarionovich, then he nobly acted - left them Hokkaido, but apparently shakes them this island ....

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Here is the Japanese mom ... Does it start again?

[Ruslan]

that's why it haunts everyone? let them be built, have the right. Why should we be afraid? "Hiroshima" has not been canceled. although to be honest, they have an excellent fleet, perhaps the best in the region.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: MIKHAN

Here is the Japanese mom ... Does it start again?

Japan is an island state, of course, that it will pay increased attention to the development of the fleet. Moreover, for Japan, China and North Korea are potential adversaries.

[gjv]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

China first

The land-based "brothers" -Chinese today also have a long-awaited festive joy - renewal.
Roll-out of the first flight instance of the C919 airliner - an analogue and, as the Chinese dream, a competitor of the Airbus A320.
Oh, where is our MS-21? ...

[FID]

Quote: gjv

Oh, where is our MS-21? ...

We were late for 5 years with the MS-21 ... It would be better if the Tu-204CM were released. The machine is flown and certified ...

[avt]

Quote: SSI

. It would be better if the Tu-204CM was released. The machine is flown and certified ...

Yes, you, oooo! But what about our mustache - the Super Budget! ?? Here we are growing GSS does not forget the domestic passenger - it is a fan of it and is looking for all sorts of alternatives, here -

The Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company (SCAC) has agreed to return four Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ 100) aircraft from Indonesia and Laos, ATO.ru told SCAC. We are talking about three aircraft transferred to the Indonesian airline Sky Aviation (registration numbers PK-ECL, PK-ECM, PK-ECN, serial - 95022, 95027, 95031), and one received by the Lao carrier Lao Central (RDPL-34195, 95026) ... Now all four aircraft are undergoing restoration work.

And you are talking about some Tu 204/214, remember about Tu-334, An-148, and generally you don’t need to talk about IL-114.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: gjv

Oh, where is our MS-21? ...

Finish collecting, the first flight in 2016. In principle, mass production will begin on time at the same time when the Chinese begin to assemble their S919.

[IAlex]

But on MS-21, it is still plowing the ears of taxpayers and preparing breakfasts ...

[skazochnik]

Quote: gjv

Oh, where is our MS-21? ..

I suspect that the MS-21 is in the same place as the MS-20, MS-19 and so on, but I know for sure where our IL-86, IL-96, Tu-204, Tu-214 and the rest that were not made as a result the headlessness and venality of the country's leadership in the 90s. Yes, and in the last 15 years, it was possible to do immeasurably more with ready-made enterprises and personnel, instead, all these years there has been one chatter about a super modern MS-21 which no one has ever seen I saw it. And when it is blinded all the same, it turns out that it is 90% of imported components, but at the same time the share of localization will supposedly certainly grow, and its characteristics will have no analogues all over the world. Well, then they will reach the design capacity: one and a half aircraft per year Naturally, it will cost as much as four Chinese and will sell it exclusively to the load of tanks, submarines and helicopters. And in Russia, Aeroflot will certainly buy it by direct recommendation from the Kremlin.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: skazochnik

MS-21 which no one has ever seen before. And when it is blinded, it turns out that it is 90% of imported components, but the share of localization will supposedly grow, and its characteristics will have no analogues all over the world. reach their design capacity: one and a half aircraft per year, naturally it will cost as much as four Chinese and will sell it exclusively in the load for tanks, submarines and helicopters. And in Russia, Aeroflot will certainly buy it by direct recommendation from the Kremlin.

This is unlikely, for the MS-21 there are already orders for 179 aircraft + an option for 72 aircraft.

[BOB48]

the tsunami prevented him - and maybe our province would have been!

[Eugene-Eugene]

Tsunami ... ridiculous, they still didn’t call

[IAlex]

No one really broke them, as soon as they feel that someone can give the Yap weapons to build the Japanese empire - they lie under them for a while, then they begin to build their empire laying on everyone ...

[Ruslan]

come on you. Do you seriously think that the 21st century Japanese and the early 20th century Japanese are the same? that they have not changed at all? and what with 21 Japanese can build a new empire? I doubt it very much. I am sure the current level of Japan, for them the limit.

[IAlex]

I personally think that the interests and allies of Japan of the 20th century and Japan of the 21st century are extremely similar ...

Very likely, for several reasons:
- They have 98% of the population themselves are Japanese;
- They have a population of 128 million people;
- They have a high educational, scientific and technological potential;
- They have serious problems with resources and territory for a further increase in population and consumption;
- They have a fairly developed army;
- And at the current moment, their desires, problems, opportunities and events in Asia are developing towards the "correct" solution to the issue with neighbors ...

[Maxom75]

Mono-ethnic country so what? Israel is like that too.
The population is not much in dispute, but according to statistics, the birth rate is extremely low, the nation is aging by 2050. Significant population decline is expected. Urbanization is paying off, the standard of living does not allow many children, otherwise you immediately fall out of the trend.
There is nothing to argue with scientific and educational potential.
Resource problems - well, to put it mildly, extremely big problems and a very small territory with the threat of destruction from the elements.
The army is developed, but the question is how long will the army fight if its country is completely erased in 20 minutes? Moreover, not only Russia, but also China, the DPRK, and Korea has a lot of claims against Japan.
Japan after 1945 lost the chances of expanding its borders, it has overgrown its neighbors entirely with nuclear powers, any territorial encroachments can end the history of Japan forever.
Japan would have to change the mentality towards tolerance and cooperation with neighbors, but the mono-ethnicity of the Japanese nation played a cruel joke with them, the Japanese have no experience of peaceful coexistence with neighbors, and as a result they are a nation of isolationists.

[IAlex]

Do not be so upset about the outflow of the population of Japan, it is aging - this is a fact, and the fact that it is decreasing is not a fact, but a regularity, and this is mostly associated with the lack of sufficient area and resources, and not with a culture of life or economic situation .. Moreover, in the Russian Federation by 2050 there will be very few Russians, because there is only a positive birth rate in the Caucasus and other republics ... And did you even see yap huts? We have more space for the dog than their apartment, where they can continue to breed ...

And who will erase it? A schoolboy with an eraser world map in a geography lesson? Don’t tell me, if you tell me about atomic weapons, I’ll also tell you that Yapov have it as well as delivery vehicles, it’s just not very advertised, because Yapi don’t wave their fists until the first thoughtful and disarming strike. Moreover, they have enough ships with Aegis SM-2, and SM-3 will appear soon. More likely it will erase us than we them ...

And how are the claims of Korea, Japan, Russia and China related to each other ???

No one ever loses the chance of expanding the territory if it can provide it with its own forces: the army and its supporting economy ...

Why should Japan change its mentality if it needs resources and territory, and not your respect? They are deeply concerned with your and others' wishlist, because "screeching pigs" of the type from the Nyankin massacre are not for them ...

And who has the experience of peaceful coexistence with neighbors? I hope you do not think that primates can circumvent the laws of nature ???

[classik46]

Nonsense, only 2 countries have a strategic missile defense. I won’t even call them.
Without this, it makes no sense to fall for a nuclear power. It’s hard to say anything, but most likely they are developing it because after the Fukushima disaster in the sediments on Kamchatka they found particles of uranium-233 and thorium tens and hundreds of times higher than the norm of Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons in the Uranium-Thorium Cycle.

[IAlex]

Yes and no, because now only one country possesses it and this is not the Russian Federation, if you hint at Amur missile defense - this is an old toy, missiles like mammoth excrement are old and ineffective, and the system itself covers only one Moscow, which no longer has there remains industrial potential ... And the country of the United States, making full use of its satellites as a target, will cover them with its umbrella if possible ...

You may not suffer, my friend has been working in Japan for 5 years, got married and lives there, they already have weapons-grade plutonium in warehouses in an amount sufficient for the manufacture of about 1000 warheads and a sufficient amount for storage of dual-use Epsilon launch vehicles. As the Pentagon said at one time, the production time for combat missiles can, if necessary, be two weeks. And no one really hides this ...

[classik46]

Maybe so, but there’s not much sense from this epsilon either. The region is poked with radars, nuclear submarines, missile defense and air defense. They will be beaten from the start. Not in the nuclear plan, it’s also a little better than nothing. The entire self-defense leadership has been holding American citizenship for a long time, in the same clash, let’s say the Republic of Korea doesn’t have an advantage on the side of the country of the rising sun. Although from the start they have a good industrial and technological base since the days of Daibatsu. A sufficiently mono-ethnic state, I don’t think that excuses about a peaceful society will be a government, as practice shows, she wanted to spit on peaceful protests (they are not capable of much there).
Alas, the United States, alas, didn’t go any further, it’s still not covered by radars from the south and east. It’s just that they’ll react late at launch from the same nuclear submarine.

[Talgat]

Japan has long been, like England, a geopolitical adversary of Eurasia and China

There is no war now; they are being restrained by nuclear weapons and the short leash

But the "cold war" with Russia is going on - not by military means - info war, propaganda, companies about the return of the Kuriles, etc.

Japan is a military ally of the United States - another geopolitical adversary of Russia

The fact that the character of the nation has changed - the Japanese became pacifists, or "humanists", myths and tales for simpletons. Propaganda at the right time in a year will dramatically change the "character of the nation"

But the fact that there are 128 million educated and united people of one nation with a huge economy and advanced technology (and a huge fleet with essentially aircraft carriers, etc.) - this is a fact, and not very good for all of us

And it’s not good that they have always been and will remain adversaries, no matter how hard both sides try - the laws of geopolitics are inexorable
And they are cramped, and there are not enough resources, and Siberia and the Far East are tidbits for them,

In general, the enemy must not be underestimated - and what he is capable of, he showed in 1914 and in World War II. The aggressiveness and cruelty of the Japanese were remembered by all neighbors without exception.

It is very good that China and Korea remember this - they balance Japan, you noticed that Russia does not show any hurry in Pacific Fleet (ships go to the north, Baltic, Caspian and Black Sea Fleet), although there is a huge lag from the neighbors
I think that the Pacific Ocean, by agreement, is already covering China - its "containment zone" of the aggressors. Russia is responsible for its western borders and Iran with Syria

[shans2]

dill is always seen by "friends" around the globe)

[IAlex]

You may not be proud that you are dill - this does not bother anyone ...

[Maxom75]

It is the population of Japan that is decreasing and this is a fact! Erase from the map and delete from the history of China or the DPRK, moreover, easily. Missile defense can intercept no more than half of the missiles launched in the direction of Japan, and there the flight time is not 40 minutes, but 5-10, not all systems have time to work. The Japanese do not like to live in the contaminated area, it’s just that the nuclear power plant has blown up and everyone who is out of the infected zone is an outcast in Japanese society. This entire USSR helped the inhabitants of Chernobyl and the victims, in Japan it is not so. Aegis is certainly cool exactly until it is drowned out by EW. Americans, even without counteracting electronic warfare, fall into only every second missile target; I’m not maneuvering warheads there. So Japan is more likely not a conqueror, but a victim. And the modern nation of the Japanese was brought up not in the spirit of a samurai. The economy is cool, but remember the childhood your wealth will help you greatly if there is a big and strong bully nearby?)))

[IAlex]

Yes???

Type Census date Population Growth Area Density
Big census October 1, 1920 55963053 - 381808.04 147
Simplified census of October 1, 1925 59736822 3773769 (6,7%) 381810.06 156 XNUMX
Census 1 October 1930 64450005 4713183 (7,9%) 382264.91 169 XNUMX
Simplified census of October 1, 1935 69254148 4804143 (7,5%) 382545.42 181 XNUMX
Census 1 October 1940 73114308 3860160 (5,6%) 382545.42 191 XNUMX
Simplified census October 1, 1945 71998104 -541625 (-0,7%) 377298.15 195
Temporary census of October 1, 1947 78101473 6103369 (8,5%) 377298.15 212
Census 1 October 1950 84114574 5098164 (6,5%) 377099.08 226 XNUMX
Simplified census of October 1, 1955 90076594 5962020 (7,1%) 377151.09 242 XNUMX
Census 1 October 1960 94301623 4225029 (4,7%) 377151.09 253 XNUMX
Simplified census of October 1, 1965 99209137 4907514 (5,2%) 377267.18 267 XNUMX
Census 1 October 1970 104665171 5456034 (5,5%) 377308.69 281 XNUMX
Simplified census of October 1, 1975 111939643 7274472 (7,0%) 377534.99 300 XNUMX
Census 1 October 1980 117060396 5120753 (4,6%) 377708.09 314 XNUMX
Simplified census of October 1, 1985 121048923 3988527 (3,4%) 377801.14 325 XNUMX
Census 1 October 1990 123611167 2562244 (2,1%) 377737.11 332 XNUMX
Simplified census of October 1, 1995 125570246 1959079 (1,6%) 377829.41 337 XNUMX
Census 1 October 2000 126925843 1355597 (1,1%) 377873.06 340 XNUMX
Simplified census of October 1, 2005 127767994 842151 (0,7%) 377914.78 343 XNUMX
Big Census October 1, 2010 128056026 [2] n. dn dn d.

And in what place does it decrease?
Oh, I don’t need to tell me about the approach of missiles, they will pour to Moscow from the Baltic much faster than to Japan from Siberia.
About Aegis - Aegis was seen in training activities, but no one saw a cupid with a minuscule rocket in action ...
Especially about electronic warfare because I did it in cipher cameras - a fairy tale for young children who became infected with URApatriotism in childhood. Your EW maximum can drown out all communication frequencies in a certain area, as a result of which both your own and enemy troops will operate autonomously, and nothing more. I hope you don’t imagine yourself there a powerful electromagnetic pulse that burns all the electronics like in Hollywood? If you can imagine then remove the noodles from your ears, for all military equipment is reliably protected from EMP ...
You underestimate their youth, their life principles will be more accurate and more valuable to society than the Russian, after 25 years of anarchy ...

[Maxom75]

Oh and what are you doing in this bending Russia? Make yourself slanting eyes and maybe you’ll get behind the Japanese, you don’t like Russia anyway. So you pour mud for nothing. And if I hadn’t lived next to Ashuluk, maybe I would have believed in your nonsense about the rusty weapons of Russia.

[IAlex]

if I hadn’t worked in factories producing these weapons, I would have scratched my turnip over the great belief that you live near Alushtuk ... I’ll tell you even more confidentially, I live 12 km from the Kremlin, and everything that shows fantastic box does not match what is 12 km from the Kremlin ...

[user]

life principles they will be more accurate and more valuable to society than Russian

Your friend’s departure to Japan affected you badly, you developed an inferiority complex in relation to our country (I hope yours too), I remember all the media were inundated with such statements in the early 90s, as well as television. To understand what I'm talking about, look at Posner, only he does not breathe evenly towards the EU and the USA, but he is comfortable there. But the question is what is he doing here then.

[IAlex]

I personally do not have any complexes, except for the backwardness complex of the Russian army, after the collapse of the USSR, which has still not been eliminated. This belief is based on the fact that I developed, maintained and trained - nothing more ...

Actually, if you compare it with a late partner, which I won’t look at, so in Russia now, in terms of production and intellectual capabilities, it is significantly inferior to the poor RF of the 90s, because then there were many qualified engineers, scientists and industries ... And today, apart from propaganda, covered with an oil needle and legalized lawlessness, nothing more is left ...

[user]

More likely it will erase us than we them ...

You’re sprinkling saliva on everyone, and not the competence of your comments does not even kill, but simply upsets. Especially touches about nuclear weapons. As I read at one of the Far Eastern forums (I was interested in the island of Matua, I recommend the curious island by the way, and its story is even more interesting), so they generally say that the Japanese experienced the atomic bomb back in '45, your comments are also from those stories. Technologically, Japan can make this bomb, but the ability to make and possess it is still different things, and the Americans do not need competitors in this matter.

[IAlex]

Unlike you, I don’t work in intelligence, and I have only the facts that I receive either from Japan or from the English literature of 1990-2005, which I used when writing the dissertation or from people who work in factories for the production of military equipment. T.ch. sorry, if you have super secret and accurate data from agents there. Regarding the Russian Federation, it can do a lot of things, but it does not and will not have ...

[geografych]

I completely agree that the expansion of the territory at the expense of neighbors in modern conditions for Japan will be the end. And the rapid growth of China limits their influence in the economic sphere. Until the Americans cease to be a senior partner in foreign policy and defense, the Japanese are not shining an independent course towards rapprochement with their neighbors.

[Starina_hank]

The population of Japan is not much smaller than the population of Russia, and if we take only Russians, then the Japanese will be more!

[Starina_hank]

The population of Japan is not much smaller than the population of Russia, and if we take only Russians, then the Japanese will be more!

[Ruslan]

you somehow do not take into account that the Japanese themselves are not ready to pour blood for these interests. it is necessary to allow commanders to beat subordinates, as in the imperial fleet before. you need to start talking with tv that the Japanese are the best and all the more better than the white devils, in short to instill Japanese racism. otherwise they are very passionate about American culture. and it’s cheaper for them to buy resources, reselling them in the form of goods with increased cost. war here will not bring them any benefit at all. You probably know about subcultures of Japan, this will give you an idea of ​​youth. do you think they will gladly take machine guns in their teeth and go to war against their neighbors? there would be education like in Japan at the beginning of the 20th century, I would agree with you, but now this is unrealistic. economic growth is possible through TNCs and money, but they will not trample by war. no benefit. time is not right.

[IAlex]

I think if they are told, or even better done, by shooting part of the people on behalf of the Russian Federation or China, having collapsed the standard of living and setting the Russian Federation with China, they will not only take a machine gun, but also a table knife, in order to return the lost standard of living .. .

The most important thing is by no means to compare the mentality of a European and an Asian - these are two completely different worlds, and what looks similar is based on physiological needs or altered borrowings ...

For example, I work with the Chinese, they have an understanding: "good / bad" is displayed in "right / wrong" automatically leaving cultural traditions, they don't even notice this and will not fundamentally understand it, this is how it will be.
For example, if a Chinese man finds a reason for a misunderstanding, he will definitely throw it. And the explanation that this is not "good" will simply not reach him, in his opinion it is "correct" because it’s like my mistake, because their mentality and worldview is based on completely different principles.

[Oman 47]

Think that the Japanese will soon be solving the problems of overpopulation and lack of natural resources; and - not by the Chinese "creeping" method, but - by the open seizure of LIFE SPACE ???!
But what about the owners of potential "new territories" in Japan (RF, China) with nuclear weapons?
They have already felt in their own shoes that SUCH a way - not gut ...
Explain the idea, pliz?

[IAlex]

When there is knowledge about the existence of an antidote, the snake is not so scary ...

When the United States chopped off the supply of raw materials to Japan in 1941, with the expansion of Japan to China, Japan had only two options:
1. Either lose oil and raw materials for the production of military equipment and remain completely unknown about their future in a conflict with China, supported by the West ...
2. Either take risks and get in your own management all the necessary resources, and expand the empire to a safe size to withstand the Western bloc in Asia ...

Any adequate person who is crushed by circumstances will always choose the option of development of events controlled by him, even if this control is fictitious and imaginary ...

Now we look at the current situation in Asia:
1. There are poorly populated territories of the Russian Federation, with weak aircraft in this region, which, if necessary, will not be able to quickly receive the necessary reinforcements. Moreover, the country operates according to the established templates of the 90s and in the required course for the West.
2. There is a strong China with a weak resource base, most of which is supplied by controlled sea routes. With the growth of the intellectual and industrial level, the international market slowly redistributes income from other Asian and European industrial countries to China, as a result of which the economies of developed countries built on the production of high value-added industrial goods lose their income, their standard of living falls, and as a result, state systems become ugly and pliable outside ...
3. There is a relatively strong South Korea, which constantly maintains a hotbed of instability and counterbalance, so Korea will not fight on two fronts.
4. There is a fairly strong Japan, with the support of NATO and the USA (let’s leave it out as before and what are the interests of other players), whose development is hampered by resource and territorial restrictions, especially the redistribution of resources and the constant industrial and intellectual growth of China strongly affects the economy of Japan.

Thus, in Asia there are common goals for China and Japan:
- To get free resources for their development.
- To take resources from competitors to slow down their development
Given that China is eager for resource independence to support a developing economy and increase living standards, the main source of these resources can be either in India or in the Russian Federation, which cannot be blocked by countries associated with the United States. In India, although a weaker army, there are great human resources and possible support in contrast to China, which make the company lasting and provide a dubious result.
The capture of the Russian Federation, the most profitable, solving two tasks at once: cutting off Japan and its allies from the resources that they aimed at, and getting completely controlled sources of a huge amount of raw materials.
Japan’s focus on the Russian Federation is similar ...

Moreover, the winning time in Japan and China flows in opposite directions. It plays against Japan, although all available military resources are developing rapidly, it’s all the same the backlog that was made is quickly melting away, because China is developing faster without disrupting Japan’s military potential very quickly. A similar trend is observed in the Japanese economy. Therefore, the war for resources is a matter of time and in fact the standard of living (which in one form or another is a struggle for survival) ...

About nuclear weapons - this is just a weapon, to level out the effect of which it takes time and money, but China and Japan have resources that do not depend on the price of oil and time does not greatly reduce these resources ...

[Slobber]

Kawasaki submarine does

They make good helicopters too - Ninja, that is to say, Ninja. It cannot be compared with the Mi-28 or Akulka, but its own helicopter with very good characteristics. Which, by the way, can be modified for work at sea and based on the "flat-roof cruiser", the Japanese one.
In general, oh, how the Japanese got a fuss. So soon it will be uncomfortable for the Chinese fleet, oh-yo-yo, because the modern Japanese fleet is not two fingers in equipment.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: razgildyay

Do not compare with Mi-28 or Shark

Of course you can’t compare, the Ninja is small and the Mi-28 and Shark are big.

[Slobber]

Ninja small

Like all Oziyat. I like him. I don’t know why. Far from the ceiling of the flight of engineering, but it seems to be much more cheerful than the Chinese Harbin.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: razgildyay

Like all Oziyat. I like him. I don’t know why. Far from the ceiling of the flight of engineering, but it seems to be much more cheerful than the Chinese Harbin.

Almost all Japanese technology is worthy of respect, a high production culture, much of the Americans in production have borrowed from the Japanese, and so are we.
I also like the Japanese helicopter.
The Chinese are still at the beginning of the journey.

[saturn.mmm]

Model from Kamov Design Bureau.

[win]

Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.

But about 70% of the young generation of Japan believe that the USSR dropped atomic bombs.
10-15 years after the death of the older generation, everyone will already think so ...

[Slobber]

But about 70% of the young generation of Japan believe that the USSR dropped atomic bombs.

And you have data, excuse me, where did you come from? I talked with the Japs both lively and by correspondence, and I have never heard such a nonsense

[IAlex]

Well, he’s from intelligence on the avatar :)))))))))))))))))))))))) And nothing, that imagination replaces real facts - but how spectacular!

[Manul]

Quote: razgildyay

And you have data, excuse me, where did you come from? I talked with the Japs both lively and by correspondence, and I have never heard such a nonsense

Yes, this is from the category of patriotic stuffing - "enemies are all around."

[shans2]

Literally 2 days ago, Patrushev said the same thing (on TV showed) that the majority believes that it is not the United States, but the USSR, Patrushev is a serious person, he will not drive an empty man .... The problem is that the textbooks say so with the Japanese ( the textbooks made it clear who) that there is no direct indication of who threw off, but the very fact of the bombing comes after writing the entry of the USSR into the war with Japan in Manchuria ...

[IAlex]

In the textbooks, as it should be written, they specifically asked me to see who it was written, where and from which planes they dropped bombs ...

[Altona]

Quote: vodolaz

Didn't even know what Kawasaki U-boat does. In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.

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And they have huge concerns, and they have extensive product lines in which motorcycles of the same name are generally small, and mostly large bulk carriers, railway rolling stock, cars, special machinery and hydraulics, machine tools, lifting and port equipment, engines for various purposes and other large things...

[geografych]

no one has canceled zaibatsu, fuji, mitsubishi, kawaski ... just monsters.

[inpu]

Quote: vodolaz

Didn't even know what Kawasaki U-boat does. In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.

It’s easier to list what Kawasaki does not. There are diapers, there are planes and ships.

[mav1971]

Quote: vodolaz

Didn't even know what Kawasaki U-boat does. In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.

Mitsubishi and Kawasaki are the largest companies.
By the way, they also do 4-generation aircraft.
And Mitsubishi is also developing the 5. And maybe even before they do us.

[Civil]

Well they don’t have Hummingbirds ... but the boats strain them

[Bayonet]

Quote: Civil

Well they don’t have Hummingbirds ..

"Kolibrov" - definitely not!

[Vladimyrych]

the duration of underwater data DEPL approach the characteristics of atomic submarines

Anaerobic plant ...
Black envy eats me ...

Quote: vodolaz

In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans.

I doubt that this weapon will once be directed to the SGA. But when we turn around the islands, we must try to overcome the islands - yes.

[kil 31]

I wonder why the Americans defeated the Japanese did not destroy this company. They beat them in the air and in the tail and mane. Now they also produce submarines. I would be in their place allowed to produce only motorcycles and construction equipment. The guys have good experience with weapons and they can deliver many non-conveniences to the USA itself.

[GRIGORIY76]

Duck "Thomas Jeffersons in epaulettes" covered everything there, because they relied on Chiang Kai-shek's China as an ally, but in 1949 the CCP defeated, and the United States relied on Japan, as the second power after China in the region, all concerns had to be returned, then the Japanese economic miracle began. This is briefly.

[IAlex]

They destroyed them, dividing Zaibatsu into many independent companies in 1947, but thanks to the mentality of the next 10 years, for which the Americans did not have time to create a full-fledged consumer society, they began to weaken supervision over the companies in order to give them a ticket in the golden billion struggle with the USSR in order to use their loyalty. The Yapis in their repertoire simply began to create the hidden Zaibatsu that exist to this day. As an example:

Asahi glass Co.
The Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ, Ltd.
Kirin Brewery Co., Ltd.
Meiji Yasuda Life Insurance Company
Nikon Corporation
Nippon Oil Corporation
NYK Line (Nippon Yusen Kabushiki Kaisha)
Tokio Marine & Nichido Fire Insurance Co., Ltd.

They are subdivisions of Mitsubishi Zaibatsu, but the prefix does not contain the designation of belonging to "Mitsubishi", it will appear later as it did with other fragmented companies ...

[venaya]

Quote: keel 31

The guys have good experience with weapons and they can deliver many non-conveniences to the US

It is unlikely. Japan, in itself, is an excellent springboard and naturally there is quite "officially" the US base. To use vassal "cannon fodder" in the form of the inhabitants of these islands, and even with their own weapons, is not it a brilliant idea?

[Manul]

Quote: venaya

It is unlikely. Japan, in itself, is an excellent springboard and naturally there is quite "officially" the US base. To use vassal "cannon fodder" in the form of the inhabitants of these islands, and even with their own weapons, is not it a brilliant idea?

And they also have the Amerovsky missile defense radar, and they are also building a second one. Japan has long been the state of the United States.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Why? And the fate of the company Porsche for example does not surprise you? And Hugo BOSS?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: keel 31

I wonder why the Americans defeated the Japanese did not destroy this company. They beat them in the air and in the tail and mane.

The Americans tried - as already written, one of the main decisions of the Yankees on the Japanese economy was the destruction of zaibatsu.
The problem is that the zaibatsu, having formally fulfilled all the requirements of the Yankees and self-dissolving, then actually revived in the form of a keiretsu, rallying around a bank. Three out of four keiretsu did not even change their name.

Where did the Yankees look? And the Yankees looked at China and Korea. During the fight against zaibatsu, it suddenly turned out that the US position in Asia is not so strong: Chairman Mao (with whose help is known) began to drive the Kuomintang in the tail and mane. And in Korea, Comrade Kim nearly united the entire peninsula - and only at the cost of bringing in UN troops (read - the United States) managed to repel his offensive (and then Kim came to the rescue limited contingent Mao).
The Yankees needed a solid rear, an unsinkable aircraft carrier and an ally. Desirable - with its own production base, so as not to lug every supply item across the entire Pacific Ocean. The choice was not great: Taiwan and South Korea were not suitable for this role - they were under the sword of Damocles "red blow". Japan remained. So the Yankees had to turn a blind eye to the restoration of corporations of their ally in Asia.

[Jarilo]

Like that?

[Altona]

Quote: Vladimir

Anaerobic plant ...
Black envy eats me ...

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This is understandable, but why are they the "best in the world"? What is it about them? Much better than Varshavyanka?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Altona

This is understandable, but why are they the "best in the world"? What is it about them? Much better than Varshavyanka?

You yourself quote - it’s better, because in the presence of an anaerobic installation, respectively, under water it can be an order of magnitude longer without ascent Varshavyank

[McLuha-MacLeod]

This is the 8th heavy Litter class submarine.

Our "Varshavyanka" means too heavy? The characteristics are almost the same.

[IAlex]

The greatest value there is an almost silent, clean, reliable, omnivorous and economical power plant, which under water without floating can be up to 20 days with more than 10000 hours without breakdowns ...

Those. this submarine is a small and cheap analogue of an atomic submarine ...

Just yapy after the Swedes - the first who could create a full-fledged and efficient Stirling engine only on their own without the United States, because to create it you need developed heavy and precise engineering ...

[Amurets]

Quote: IAlex

Just yapy after the Swedes - the first who could create a full-fledged and efficient Stirling engine only on their own without the United States, because to create it you need developed heavy and precise engineering ...

Especially recently I dealt with anaerobic installations. There are several types of them. The Japanese bought from the Swedes a license for the power plant of submarines of the Gotland type. The Swedes have been refining the Stirling engine for a long time. Our boat Kronstadt "Project 677 Lada" did not pass tests due to the shortcomings of the power plant. improvements to the electrochemical generator, but at what level the work is still unknown.

[Anton Gavrilov]

Characteristics differ dramatically, those that write in such articles are true, the numbers are the simplest.

But due to secrecy, and to all physical fields in particular: acoustic, primary secondary, magnetic, electro-magnetic, electrical, hydrodynamic, optical
esky, thermal, etc.-the difference in theory should be significant, not in our favor by the way.

The same applies to the RTV-like range, and the capabilities of the HAC in particular, and in general. In general, these are different boats of different levels of technology. And their characteristics differ dramatically.

[Altona]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

But due to secrecy, and to all physical fields in particular: acoustic, primary secondary, magnetic, electro-magnetic, electrical, hydrodynamic, optical

esky, thermal, etc.-the difference in theory should be significant, not in our favor by the way.

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Why are you so peremptory right away? They showed the manufacturing technology on TV, everything is just like in a pharmacy, tolerances like in a microscope, special non-magnetic steel ... Well, and other know-how ...

[Anton Gavrilov]

Know-how ?! In 636.3 ???? Did you joke like that?

These are generally boats of different generations: Warsaw on the 3, and the rubbish of 4.

[Altona]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

These are generally boats of different generations: Warsaw on the 3, and the rubbish of 4.

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So what? Firstly, the current "Varshavyanka" is far away from the "progenitor" of the 70s, and secondly, measuring with "pussies TTX" does nothing in a real battle ...

[Anton Gavrilov]

Everything is sooooo bad in your case, if for you the performance characteristics in the battle do not matter .......

Far far away, but not to the 4 generation, especially not to the rather late boats of the 4 generation ...

[Altona]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Everything is sooooo bad in your case, if for you the performance characteristics in the battle do not matter .......

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Why in mine? I am not a submarine sailor ... Secondly, the tactics of application and counteraction are constantly being worked out ... Nothing stands still, including technical progress ... And what I saw in the technology of manufacturing the submarine "3rd generation" , I was personally impressed by the fact that I saw "perfect Japanese welding technologies" live ...

[Anton Gavrilov]

Firstly, the tactics directly depend on the technical characteristics, and no matter how you say, for example, even the most sophisticated crew of the first generation boat will be absolutely unable to oppose the 4 boat, even with the crew in the team (as an option), such as 627- th project to Xi Wulfu.

I’m talking here about the performance characteristics of boats, and not about building technologies! Have you been to the company where these boats are assembled? I doubt it very much ...

[Altona]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Know-how ?! In 636.3 ???? Did you joke like that?

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No ... The propeller shaft bearing of the African shea butter tree is absolutely impressive, the warranty is 30 years ...

[Amurets]

Quote: Altona

No ... The propeller shaft bearing of the African shea butter tree is absolutely impressive, the warranty is 30 years ...

What are you talking about? Guaiac tree grows in America and the West Indies, but not in Africa. Another name for the Guaiac tree is BOKAUT and this wood is used in marine engineering for the manufacture of propeller shaft bearings almost from the first steamers. African oil tree; Tree Shi; Vitelaria Indian main use of the tree; the fruits are used to produce vegetable oil used in the food and perfumery industry. Wood is used for the manufacture of containers, coffins, plywood. The data are taken from a 4-volume reference book: Wood species of the world (volume 1) .More I have not found anywhere else about the properties of the Shi Tree. Everywhere it is written that the tree is used only to obtain vegetable oil from the fruits of this tree

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Apparently, the Japanese decided to get into a very dubious adventure again ...
What will China answer?

[flSergius]

this is not kawasaki! Where is the traditional black and green color?

[Good me]

Quote: flSergius

this is not kawasaki! Where is the traditional black and green color?

On rockets, damn them ...

[gjv]

Quote: flSergius

Where is the traditional black and green color?

Quote: Good Me

On rockets, damn them ...

They also have green shorts.

[NordUral]

Started. The Japanese do not sit on their island.

[Ruslan]

Well, are you so critical right away? all countries that have some kind of industry and political weight are riveting weapons. and it doesn’t matter whether they need it or not. and in truth, China is a rather arrogant neighbor, if you don’t have teeth, it will fit into your pocket, which is why the Japanese are being built.

[Amurets]

Quote: ruslan

and in truth, China is a rather arrogant neighbor,

So Ruslan, you need to know the history. At least from the beginning of the 20th century. And what happened in China and the history of Port Amur and subsequent events and the history of units 100 and 731. Then you will understand the Chinese dislike for the Japanese. Even after reading the detective story " Kio Kumitsu. After reading burn "you will understand a lot about what happened in China during those years.

[NordUral]

Here are the characteristics in more detail. And there are already eight of these sharks near us.

[roskot]

The Japanese stirred. Armed. The next stage is the preparation of kamikaze.

[Vladimir71]

In this field, they had competitors))) igil but kamikaze could even be respected were people of honor and these animals deserve nothing but a spit on their remains.

[Amurets]

Quote: roskot

The Japanese stirred. Armed.

The Japanese always moved. Just nobody really paid attention to it. I wrote more than once in the comments that the Japanese conducted hidden tests of their military equipment in the harsh conditions of the Far East. Under the guise of prototypes of construction and mining equipment, they worked out engines, transmissions, and others. components and assemblies at low temperatures. In the closed conditions of most regions of the Far East, they used the training of our specialists as warranty mechanics. They demanded that most of the destroyed warranty units be sent to the Japanese representative office in Khabarovsk, with a detailed description of the operating conditions. Moreover, they tried to get the units which have failed and not under warranty cases, exchanging them for new ones.

[ilija93]

Right-hand drive?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Hardly. What is a motorcycle, that the aircraft steering wheel in the middle.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Banshee

As for motorcycles, for aircraft, the steering wheel is in the middle.

Sometimes doubles!

[Smoked]

And how many seconds to 100 does?

[Wolka]

after the Second World Samurai, apparently emphasized the submarine fleet, and guessed with this direction, the Yankees with their surface (and underwater too) fleet are now in shock, which means it is the turn of the rocket and torpedo armament of these fish ...

[voyaka uh]

"the Yankees with their surface (and submarine too) fleet are now in shock ////

Why shocked? They are close military allies with Japan. There is a military agreement
assistance.
On the contrary, the Americans are glad that together with Japan it will be possible to repulse the rapidly growing Chinese fleet.

[Proxima]

Quote: Kil 31

I wonder why the Americans defeated the Japanese did not destroy this company. They beat them in the air and in the tail and mane. Now they also produce submarines. I would be in their place allowed to produce only motorcycles and construction equipment. The guys have good experience with weapons and they can deliver many non-conveniences to the USA itself.

Then the Americans had to destroy the Mitsubishi firm first of all. Their airplane "Zero", so of course he served the mattress mats.

[VNP1958PVN]

Japanese-she is capable of the best in the world. Now we need to tell them more often about Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Maybe we will have some kind of benefit from this.

[gabonskijfront]

propeller, ballast tanks, periscope, one and the same. Leonardodavinchi already thought of it. I want something breakthrough so that it flies and crawls.

[Bayonet]

Quote: gabonskijfront

. I want something breakthrough, so that I fly, swim and crawl.

You are welcome -

[cormorant]

.... who are recognized by experts as one of the best in the world ... Are these the e * ksperds who consider our fleet to be rusty and incompetent. Then it is as best as our navy rusty ...

[max15243]

In the Far East, in the event of a kneading, we will either be observers (China and Japan), or an ally (we are with China against Japan and the USA), or severely beaten (at sea) if any of them come upon us (if China gives us it will be a little more offensive, still an ally). Unfortunately, we can’t compete there even if we have time to adjust something from the Baltic and the Black Sea along the Northern Route. By the way, there is a dispute over the islands and Americans in a hurry there so the intensity of passions will intensify. I just think everything will work out, three out of four are members of the nuclear club, and the fourth of the participants has experienced the consequences of a nuclear cataclysm.

[Amurets]

Quote: max15243

or severely beaten (at sea) if any of them come upon us (if China is a little more offensive to us.)

Why are you offended? In the East, you don’t know what will happen tomorrow because everything depends on the mood of the leadership, today you are a friend, tomorrow you are an enemy. They need you while you can give something. Do not forget the years 1969-1970 (I will not mention other years and conflicts) : Conflicts in Damansky, Gildinsky, Kazakhstan. 1979: War between China and Vietnam, to the laughter of the whole capitalist world. So in the Far East, we do not have reliable friends and allies. There are travel companions for solving current problems.

[inpu]

And if you scratch her side, then she blinks pink-red, giggles and says something in an anime voice in Japanese.

[v1tz]

As I understand it, a power plant based on the Stirling engine ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: v1tz

Stirling engine propulsion system ...

Quote: Corsair

they all write about the stirling engine - and how do the Japanese warm it? Of course, it is possible to cool with sea water through the hull or in general a radiator on the tail into the girth of a multi-sheeted boat.

I always wondered: what, Yankees, Germans, we could not do VNEU based on the Stirling engine? Could ... Then why not?
But it seems to me that everything is very simple: the Stirling engine is a huge source of thermal energy that is diverted to the surrounding aquatic environment ... And we were able to look for underwater objects along the thermal trail back in the 70s of the last century.
Maybe that's why the Yankees, we and the Germans make aerobic installations on fuel cells or on the basis of diesel fuel reforming. The problem of cryogenic oxygen is also not a gift, but does not leave such a thermal imprint as Stirling. And this is one of the sides of secrecy.
IMHO.

[Amurets]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The problem of cryogenic oxygen is also not a gift, but does not leave such a thermal imprint as Stirling.

Yes, not a gift. In addition to the fact that these boats were fire hazard, there was still a noise problem. Look at the problems of the A615 or 615A project submarines, I came across the same designation of the project. Unfortunately, I only have articles from the engine and wikipedia magazines about this GEM.

[Corsair]

here everything is written about the stirling engine - and what does the Japanese warm it with? Of course, it is possible to cool with sea water through the hull or in general a radiator on the tail into the girth of a multi-sheeted boat.
MAIN QUESTION WHAT TO WARM THE STIRLING ENGINE FOR THE PROCESS implies external heating? TENY, gas or diesel burners? Perhaps even fireless combustion on catalysts ...

I hope the Japanese do not graze here? And then they, too, are lovers of other people's ideas to rub and implement at home.

[GDV]

Something warms that in order to bring to the planned capacity it is necessary to constantly maintain a high temperature, cool, the power drops, more specifically, and to heat and bring to the declared 8000ls it will take time and not a little. Most likely a diesel injector, but any combustion reaction requires oxygen for this and an aerobic installation is needed and they have it.
Yes, espionage is a great thing, for example Richard Sorge.

[and why]

As for me (Kiselyova recalled) at the current political moment we need to get closer to Japan, China has become too aggressive. But the Japanese themselves spoil everything, they immediately begin to recall the so-called northern territories.

[Amurets]

and why! There is a bunch of problems tied up and everyone wants to solve it for their own benefit. And much depends on how the leaders of these states slept and what they dreamed about. Carefully follow the messages of the US State Department, do not drop messages about Korea, Taiwan, China. It is very difficult to predict something here. You look what’s going on? After meeting with the Queen of England, China went into straining relations with the United States. And now three countries will seek Russian support in this conflict, each solving its own problem in this region. And do not think that the Japanese are blindly following the United States.

[surrozh]

A peace treaty with the Japanese has not been signed, so the enemy has a replenishment in the submarine.