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Kawasaki launched the newest submarine

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The Japanese corporation Kawasaki Shipbuilding launched the newest shock-propulsion submarine Sekiry. This 8 is the “Soryu” class heavy submarine, recognized by experts as one of the best in the world. TASS.


Submarine class "litter".

"The" Sekiryu "4200 ton displacement and 84 meter length is armed with 6 th torpedo tubes that can also fire harpoon-class ship-to-ship missiles"- reports the agency.

It is noted that "in terms of the duration of their stay under water, the diesel-electric submarines data approach the characteristics of nuclear submarines and are notable for their considerable noiselessness."

Currently, Australia, which plans to launch production of submarines in its territory, announced its intention to cooperate with Kawasaki Shipbuilding.

In total, the Japanese Navy has at its disposal 16 combat and two training submarines.
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  1. vodolaz
    vodolaz 2 November 2015 13: 56 New
    27
    Didn't even know what Kawasaki U-boat does. In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.
    1. seos
      seos 2 November 2015 14: 04 New
      41
      They were culturally broken ...
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 2 November 2015 14: 39 New
        15
        Wow broke ... 16 dap in the ranks. We do not have so much for the entire Navy.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 2 November 2015 14: 46 New
          +4
          Why minus? Do we have any more dap? Knowledgeable people, please! .. soldier
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          2. gjv
            gjv 2 November 2015 17: 00 New
            14
            Quote: marlin1203
            Do we have any more dap?

            - Project 20120 submarines - 1 unit.
            - DEPL project 641B - 1 unit.
            - DEPL project 877 / V / ECM - 16 units.
            - DEPL project 677 - 1 unit.
            - DEPL project 06363 - 3 units.
            In total - 22 units.
            1. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 2 November 2015 17: 16 New
              +7
              It is necessary to count at the theater, and not on a global scale!
            2. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 2 November 2015 17: 16 New
              0
              It is necessary to count at the theater, and not on a global scale!
            3. avt
              avt 2 November 2015 19: 05 New
              10
              Quote: gjv
              - Project 20120 submarines - 1 unit.

              ,,Саров" хитрая лодка и толком не понятно публике зачем и почему . То ли опытовая , то ли какому то ГУГИ приписана .
              Quote: gjv
              - DEPL project 677 - 1 unit.

              So it’s not at all accepted yet.
              Quote: gjv
              - DEPL project 06363 - 3 units.

              request Одну после перехода ,,красят" и будут ,,красить" до апреля 2016, ,,Ростов на Дону" что то забыл на заводе изготовителе , может вот ,,Краcнодар"по уму выпустят на ЧФ.
              Quote: gjv
              - DEPL project 641B - 1 unit.

              Himself not funny? wassat
              Quote: gjv
              - DEPL project 877 / V / ECM - 16 units.

              А кто после ремонта , кто в ремонте и кто ремонта ждет , да кто собственно на ТОФе??? Так что у них новая ,,Сорю", а у нас пока что хирю однако .Ждем с .
        2. YARUSSIAN39
          YARUSSIAN39 2 November 2015 22: 40 New
          +1
          no one will tell you in what condition they are, maybe I’ll build 16, but on the go 7-8 pieces, purely my opinion)
        3. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 2 November 2015 23: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: marlin1203
          Wow broke ... 16 dap in the ranks. We have so much for the whole Navy
          - Yes, but we don’t have a single MIG-21 in service, and India has a WHOLE 246! laughing
      2. Sirs
        Sirs 3 November 2015 06: 04 New
        0
        Maybe they broke it? I think they will stab at the right time in the back of the United States. You will see !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. Finches
      Finches 2 November 2015 14: 05 New
      32
      Joseph Vissarionovich, then he nobly acted - left them Hokkaido, but apparently shakes them this island .... laughing
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 2 November 2015 14: 06 New
        +2
        Here is the Japanese mom ... Does it start again?
        1. Ruslan
          Ruslan 2 November 2015 14: 13 New
          17
          вот почему всем это покоя не даёт? пусть строятся, имеют право. нам чего бояться? "хиросиму " никто не отменял. хотя если по честному, флот у них отличный, возможно лучший в регионе.
        2. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 2 November 2015 14: 28 New
          10
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Here is the Japanese mom ... Does it start again?

          Japan is an island state, of course, that it will pay increased attention to the development of the fleet. Moreover, for Japan, China and North Korea are potential adversaries.
          1. gjv
            gjv 2 November 2015 17: 28 New
            +5
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            China first

            У сухопутных "братцев"-китайцев сегодня тоже долгожданная праздничная радость - обнова.
            Roll-out of the first flight instance of the C919 airliner - an analogue and, as the Chinese dream, a competitor of the Airbus A320.
            Oh, where is our MS-21? ...


            1. FID
              FID 2 November 2015 18: 28 New
              +5
              Quote: gjv
              Oh, where is our MS-21? ...

              We were late for 5 years with the MS-21 ... It would be better if the Tu-204CM were released. The machine is flown and certified ...
              1. avt
                avt 3 November 2015 09: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: SSI
                . It would be better if the Tu-204CM was released. The machine is flown and certified ...

                Yes, you, oooo!wassat But what about our mustache - the Super Budget! ?? Here we are growing wassat GSS does not forget the domestic passenger - it is a fan of it and is looking for all sorts of alternatives, here -
                Компания "Гражданские самолеты Сухого" (ГСС) договорилась о возвращении из Индонезии и Лаоса четырех самолетов Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ 100), рассказали ATO.ru в ГСС. Речь идет о трех бортах, переданных индонезийской авиакомпании Sky Aviation (регистрационные номера PK-ECL, PK-ECM, PK-ECN, заводские — 95022, 95027, 95031), и одном, полученном лаосским перевозчиком Lao Central (RDPL-34195, 95026). Сейчас на всех четырех самолетах проводятся восстановительные работы.
                And you are talking about some Tu 204/214, remember about Tu-334, An-148, and generally you don’t need to talk about IL-114. wassat
            2. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 2 November 2015 21: 28 New
              0
              Quote: gjv
              Oh, where is our MS-21? ...

              Finish collecting, the first flight in 2016. In principle, mass production will begin on time at the same time when the Chinese begin to assemble their S919.
            3. IAlex
              IAlex 2 November 2015 22: 25 New
              +2
              But on MS-21, it is still plowing the ears of taxpayers and preparing breakfasts ...
            4. skazochnik
              skazochnik 3 November 2015 01: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: gjv
              Oh, where is our MS-21? ..


              I suspect that the MS-21 is in the same place as the MS-20, MS-19 and so on, but I know for sure where our IL-86, IL-96, Tu-204, Tu-214 and the rest that were not made as a result the headlessness and venality of the country's leadership in the 90s. Yes, and in the last 15 years, it was possible to do immeasurably more with ready-made enterprises and personnel, instead, all these years there has been one chatter about a super modern MS-21 which no one has ever seen I saw it. And when it is blinded all the same, it turns out that it is 90% of imported components, but at the same time the share of localization will supposedly certainly grow, and its characteristics will have no analogues all over the world. Well, then they will reach the design capacity: one and a half aircraft per year Naturally, it will cost as much as four Chinese and will sell it exclusively to the load of tanks, submarines and helicopters. And in Russia, Aeroflot will certainly buy it by direct recommendation from the Kremlin.
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 3 November 2015 12: 55 New
                0
                Quote: skazochnik
                MS-21 which no one has ever seen before. And when it is blinded, it turns out that it is 90% of imported components, but the share of localization will supposedly grow, and its characteristics will have no analogues all over the world. reach their design capacity: one and a half aircraft per year, naturally it will cost as much as four Chinese and will sell it exclusively in the load for tanks, submarines and helicopters. And in Russia, Aeroflot will certainly buy it by direct recommendation from the Kremlin.

                This is unlikely, for the MS-21 there are already orders for 179 aircraft + an option for 72 aircraft.
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      2. BOB48
        BOB48 2 November 2015 14: 45 New
        +1
        the tsunami prevented him - and maybe our province would have been!
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 2 November 2015 23: 02 New
          0
          Tsunami ... ridiculous, they still didn’t call
    3. IAlex
      IAlex 2 November 2015 14: 12 New
      10
      No one really broke them, as soon as they feel that someone can give the Yap weapons to build the Japanese empire - they lie under them for a while, then they begin to build their empire laying on everyone ...
      1. Ruslan
        Ruslan 2 November 2015 14: 17 New
        +5
        come on you. Do you seriously think that the 21st century Japanese and the early 20th century Japanese are the same? that they have not changed at all? and what with 21 Japanese can build a new empire? I doubt it very much. I am sure the current level of Japan, for them the limit.
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 2 November 2015 14: 23 New
          13
          I personally think that the interests and allies of Japan of the 20th century and Japan of the 21st century are extremely similar ...

          Very likely, for several reasons:
          - They have 98% of the population themselves are Japanese;
          - They have a population of 128 million people;
          - They have a high educational, scientific and technological potential;
          - They have serious problems with resources and territory for a further increase in population and consumption;
          - They have a fairly developed army;
          - И в текущий момент их желания, проблемы, возможности и события в Азии складываются в сторону "правильного" решения вопроса с соседями...
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 2 November 2015 15: 00 New
            +9
            Mono-ethnic country so what? Israel is like that too.
            The population is not much in dispute, but according to statistics, the birth rate is extremely low, the nation is aging by 2050. Significant population decline is expected. Urbanization is paying off, the standard of living does not allow many children, otherwise you immediately fall out of the trend.
            There is nothing to argue with scientific and educational potential.
            Resource problems - well, to put it mildly, extremely big problems and a very small territory with the threat of destruction from the elements.
            The army is developed, but the question is how long will the army fight if its country is completely erased in 20 minutes? Moreover, not only Russia, but also China, the DPRK, and Korea has a lot of claims against Japan.
            Japan after 1945 lost the chances of expanding its borders, it has overgrown its neighbors entirely with nuclear powers, any territorial encroachments can end the history of Japan forever.
            Japan would have to change the mentality towards tolerance and cooperation with neighbors, but the mono-ethnicity of the Japanese nation played a cruel joke with them, the Japanese have no experience of peaceful coexistence with neighbors, and as a result they are a nation of isolationists.
            1. IAlex
              IAlex 2 November 2015 15: 12 New
              -2
              Do not be so upset about the outflow of the population of Japan, it is aging - this is a fact, and the fact that it is decreasing is not a fact, but a regularity, and this is mostly associated with the lack of sufficient area and resources, and not with a culture of life or economic situation .. Moreover, in the Russian Federation by 2050 there will be very few Russians, because there is only a positive birth rate in the Caucasus and other republics ... And did you even see yap huts? We have more space for the dog than their apartment, where they can continue to breed ...

              And who will erase it? A schoolboy with an eraser world map in a geography lesson? Don’t tell me, if you tell me about atomic weapons, I’ll also tell you that Yapov have it as well as delivery vehicles, it’s just not very advertised, because Yapi don’t wave their fists until the first thoughtful and disarming strike. Moreover, they have enough ships with Aegis SM-2, and SM-3 will appear soon. More likely it will erase us than we them ...

              And how are the claims of Korea, Japan, Russia and China related to each other ???

              No one ever loses the chance of expanding the territory if it can provide it with its own forces: the army and its supporting economy ...

              Зачем Японии менять менталитет, если ей нужны ресурсы и территория, а не ваше уважение? До ваших и чужих хотелок им глубоко положить, ибо "визжащие свинки" типа из нянькинской резни им не указ...

              And who has the experience of peaceful coexistence with neighbors? I hope you do not think that primates can circumvent the laws of nature ???
              1. classik46
                classik46 2 November 2015 15: 33 New
                +4
                Nonsense, only 2 countries have a strategic missile defense. I won’t even call them.
                Without this, it makes no sense to fall for a nuclear power. It’s hard to say anything, but most likely they are developing it because after the Fukushima disaster in the sediments on Kamchatka they found particles of uranium-233 and thorium tens and hundreds of times higher than the norm of Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons in the Uranium-Thorium Cycle.
                1. IAlex
                  IAlex 2 November 2015 16: 00 New
                  -5
                  Yes and no, because now only one country possesses it and this is not the Russian Federation, if you hint at Amur missile defense - this is an old toy, missiles like mammoth excrement are old and ineffective, and the system itself covers only one Moscow, which no longer has there remains industrial potential ... And the country of the United States, making full use of its satellites as a target, will cover them with its umbrella if possible ...

                  Вы можете не мучится у меня знакомый уже 5-ть лет работает в Японии, женился и живет там, у них уже есть оружейный плутоний на складах в количестве достаточный для изготовления около 1000 боеголовок и достаточное количество на хранении ракет носителей "Эпсилон" двойного назначения. Как в свое время заявлял пентагон, время изготовления боевых ракет может с случая необходимости составить две недели. Причем это особо ни кто не скрывает...
                  1. classik46
                    classik46 2 November 2015 17: 45 New
                    +1
                    Maybe so, but there’s not much sense from this epsilon either. The region is poked with radars, nuclear submarines, missile defense and air defense. They will be beaten from the start. Not in the nuclear plan, it’s also a little better than nothing. The entire self-defense leadership has been holding American citizenship for a long time, in the same clash, let’s say the Republic of Korea doesn’t have an advantage on the side of the country of the rising sun. Although from the start they have a good industrial and technological base since the days of Daibatsu. A sufficiently mono-ethnic state, I don’t think that excuses about a peaceful society will be a government, as practice shows, she wanted to spit on peaceful protests (they are not capable of much there).
                    Alas, the United States, alas, didn’t go any further, it’s still not covered by radars from the south and east. It’s just that they’ll react late at launch from the same nuclear submarine.
                    1. Talgat
                      Talgat 2 November 2015 20: 22 New
                      0
                      Japan has long been, like England, a geopolitical adversary of Eurasia and China

                      There is no war now; they are being restrained by nuclear weapons and the short leash

                      Но "холодная война" с Россией идет - не военными средствами - инфо война, пропаганда, компании о возврате Курил и т д

                      Japan is a military ally of the United States - another geopolitical adversary of Russia

                      То, что изменился характер нации - японцы стали пацифистами, или "гуманистами" мифы и сказки для простаков. Пропаганда в нужный момент за год резко поменяет "характер нации"

                      But the fact that there are 128 million educated and united people of one nation with a huge economy and advanced technology (and a huge fleet with essentially aircraft carriers, etc.) - this is a fact, and not very good for all of us

                      And it’s not good that they have always been and will remain adversaries, no matter how hard both sides try - the laws of geopolitics are inexorable
                      And they are cramped, and there are not enough resources, and Siberia and the Far East are tidbits for them,

                      In general, the enemy must not be underestimated - and what he is capable of, he showed in 1914 and in World War II. The aggressiveness and cruelty of the Japanese were remembered by all neighbors without exception.

                      It is very good that China and Korea remember this - they balance Japan, you noticed that Russia does not show any hurry in Pacific Fleet (ships go to the north, Baltic, Caspian and Black Sea Fleet), although there is a huge lag from the neighbors
                      Думаю, что Тихий Океан по договоренности прикрывает Китай уже - его "зона сдерживания" агрессоров. У России - ответственность ее западные границы и Иран с Сирией
                  2. shans2
                    shans2 2 November 2015 20: 56 New
                    0
                    укропа видно всегда по "знакомым" по всему земному шару)
                    1. IAlex
                      IAlex 2 November 2015 22: 30 New
                      0
                      You may not be proud that you are dill - this does not bother anyone ...
              2. Maxom75
                Maxom75 2 November 2015 16: 22 New
                +3
                It is the population of Japan that is decreasing and this is a fact! Erase from the map and delete from the history of China or the DPRK, moreover, easily. Missile defense can intercept no more than half of the missiles launched in the direction of Japan, and there the flight time is not 40 minutes, but 5-10, not all systems have time to work. The Japanese do not like to live in the contaminated area, it’s just that the nuclear power plant has blown up and everyone who is out of the infected zone is an outcast in Japanese society. This entire USSR helped the inhabitants of Chernobyl and the victims, in Japan it is not so. Aegis is certainly cool exactly until it is drowned out by EW. Americans, even without counteracting electronic warfare, fall into only every second missile target; I’m not maneuvering warheads there. So Japan is more likely not a conqueror, but a victim. And the modern nation of the Japanese was brought up not in the spirit of a samurai. The economy is cool, but remember the childhood your wealth will help you greatly if there is a big and strong bully nearby?)))
                1. IAlex
                  IAlex 2 November 2015 16: 30 New
                  -2
                  Yes???

                  Type Census date Population Growth Area Density
                  Big census October 1, 1920 55963053 - 381808.04 147
                  Simplified census of October 1, 1925 59736822 3773769 (6,7%) 381810.06 156 XNUMX
                  Census 1 October 1930 64450005 4713183 (7,9%) 382264.91 169 XNUMX
                  Simplified census of October 1, 1935 69254148 4804143 (7,5%) 382545.42 181 XNUMX
                  Census 1 October 1940 73114308 3860160 (5,6%) 382545.42 191 XNUMX
                  Simplified census October 1, 1945 71998104 -541625 (-0,7%) 377298.15 195
                  Temporary census of October 1, 1947 78101473 6103369 (8,5%) 377298.15 212
                  Census 1 October 1950 84114574 5098164 (6,5%) 377099.08 226 XNUMX
                  Simplified census of October 1, 1955 90076594 5962020 (7,1%) 377151.09 242 XNUMX
                  Census 1 October 1960 94301623 4225029 (4,7%) 377151.09 253 XNUMX
                  Simplified census of October 1, 1965 99209137 4907514 (5,2%) 377267.18 267 XNUMX
                  Census 1 October 1970 104665171 5456034 (5,5%) 377308.69 281 XNUMX
                  Simplified census of October 1, 1975 111939643 7274472 (7,0%) 377534.99 300 XNUMX
                  Census 1 October 1980 117060396 5120753 (4,6%) 377708.09 314 XNUMX
                  Simplified census of October 1, 1985 121048923 3988527 (3,4%) 377801.14 325 XNUMX
                  Census 1 October 1990 123611167 2562244 (2,1%) 377737.11 332 XNUMX
                  Simplified census of October 1, 1995 125570246 1959079 (1,6%) 377829.41 337 XNUMX
                  Census 1 October 2000 126925843 1355597 (1,1%) 377873.06 340 XNUMX
                  Simplified census of October 1, 2005 127767994 842151 (0,7%) 377914.78 343 XNUMX
                  Big Census October 1, 2010 128056026 [2] n. dn dn d.

                  And in what place does it decrease?
                  Oh, I don’t need to tell me about the approach of missiles, they will pour to Moscow from the Baltic much faster than to Japan from Siberia.
                  About Aegis - Aegis was seen in training activities, but no one saw a cupid with a minuscule rocket in action ...
                  Especially about electronic warfare because I did it in cipher cameras - a fairy tale for young children who became infected with URApatriotism in childhood. Your EW maximum can drown out all communication frequencies in a certain area, as a result of which both your own and enemy troops will operate autonomously, and nothing more. I hope you don’t imagine yourself there a powerful electromagnetic pulse that burns all the electronics like in Hollywood? If you can imagine then remove the noodles from your ears, for all military equipment is reliably protected from EMP ...
                  You underestimate their youth, their life principles will be more accurate and more valuable to society than the Russian, after 25 years of anarchy ...
                  1. Maxom75
                    Maxom75 2 November 2015 17: 14 New
                    +6
                    Oh and what are you doing in this bending Russia? Make yourself slanting eyes and maybe you’ll get behind the Japanese, you don’t like Russia anyway. So you pour mud for nothing. And if I hadn’t lived next to Ashuluk, maybe I would have believed in your nonsense about the rusty weapons of Russia.
                    1. IAlex
                      IAlex 2 November 2015 22: 31 New
                      0
                      if I hadn’t worked in factories producing these weapons, I would have scratched my turnip over the great belief that you live near Alushtuk ... I’ll tell you even more confidentially, I live 12 km from the Kremlin, and everything that shows fantastic box does not match what is 12 km from the Kremlin ...
                  2. user
                    user 2 November 2015 21: 44 New
                    0
                    life principles they will be more accurate and more valuable to society than Russian


                    Your friend’s departure to Japan affected you badly, you developed an inferiority complex in relation to our country (I hope yours too), I remember all the media were inundated with such statements in the early 90s, as well as television. To understand what I'm talking about, look at Posner, only he does not breathe evenly towards the EU and the USA, but he is comfortable there. But the question is what is he doing here then.
                    1. IAlex
                      IAlex 2 November 2015 22: 32 New
                      +2
                      I personally do not have any complexes, except for the backwardness complex of the Russian army, after the collapse of the USSR, which has still not been eliminated. This belief is based on the fact that I developed, maintained and trained - nothing more ...

                      Actually, if you compare it with a late partner, which I won’t look at, so in Russia now, in terms of production and intellectual capabilities, it is significantly inferior to the poor RF of the 90s, because then there were many qualified engineers, scientists and industries ... And today, apart from propaganda, covered with an oil needle and legalized lawlessness, nothing more is left ...
              3. user
                user 2 November 2015 21: 36 New
                0
                More likely it will erase us than we them ...


                You’re sprinkling saliva on everyone, and not the competence of your comments does not even kill, but simply upsets. Especially touches about nuclear weapons. As I read at one of the Far Eastern forums (I was interested in the island of Matua, I recommend the curious island by the way, and its story is even more interesting), so they generally say that the Japanese experienced the atomic bomb back in '45, your comments are also from those stories. Technologically, Japan can make this bomb, but the ability to make and possess it is still different things, and the Americans do not need competitors in this matter.
                1. IAlex
                  IAlex 2 November 2015 22: 33 New
                  0
                  Unlike you, I don’t work in intelligence, and I have only the facts that I receive either from Japan or from the English literature of 1990-2005, which I used when writing the dissertation or from people who work in factories for the production of military equipment. T.ch. sorry, if you have super secret and accurate data from agents there. Regarding the Russian Federation, it can do a lot of things, but it does not and will not have ...
            2. geografych
              geografych 2 November 2015 15: 59 New
              +1
              I completely agree that the expansion of the territory at the expense of neighbors in modern conditions for Japan will be the end. And the rapid growth of China limits their influence in the economic sphere. Until the Americans cease to be a senior partner in foreign policy and defense, the Japanese are not shining an independent course towards rapprochement with their neighbors.
            3. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 2 November 2015 17: 22 New
              +2
              The population of Japan is not much smaller than the population of Russia, and if we take only Russians, then the Japanese will be more!
            4. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 2 November 2015 17: 22 New
              +1
              The population of Japan is not much smaller than the population of Russia, and if we take only Russians, then the Japanese will be more!
          2. Ruslan
            Ruslan 2 November 2015 16: 14 New
            +2
            you somehow do not take into account that the Japanese themselves are not ready to pour blood for these interests. it is necessary to allow commanders to beat subordinates, as in the imperial fleet before. you need to start talking with tv that the Japanese are the best and all the more better than the white devils, in short to instill Japanese racism. otherwise they are very passionate about American culture. and it’s cheaper for them to buy resources, reselling them in the form of goods with increased cost. war here will not bring them any benefit at all. You probably know about subcultures of Japan, this will give you an idea of ​​youth. do you think they will gladly take machine guns in their teeth and go to war against their neighbors? there would be education like in Japan at the beginning of the 20th century, I would agree with you, but now this is unrealistic. economic growth is possible through TNCs and money, but they will not trample by war. no benefit. time is not right.
            1. IAlex
              IAlex 2 November 2015 16: 45 New
              +1
              I think if they are told, or even better done, by shooting part of the people on behalf of the Russian Federation or China, having collapsed the standard of living and setting the Russian Federation with China, they will not only take a machine gun, but also a table knife, in order to return the lost standard of living .. .

              The most important thing is by no means to compare the mentality of a European and an Asian - these are two completely different worlds, and what looks similar is based on physiological needs or altered borrowings ...

              Например, я работаю с китайцами у них понимание: "хорошо/плохо" отображается в "правильно/неправильно" автоматически выходя яиз культурных традиций, они даже этого не замечают и принципиально понимать не будут, это так и так будет.
              К примеру, если китаец нашел повод в недопонимании он обязательно кинет. И объяснение, что это не "хорошо" - до него просто не дойдет, по его мнению это "правильно" ибо как бы моя ошибка, ибо их менталитет и мировоззрение основано на совсем других принципах.
          3. Oman 47
            Oman 47 2 November 2015 23: 42 New
            +1
            Считаете, что японцы вскорости будут решать проблемы перенаселенности и отсутствия природных ресурсов; причём - не китайским "ползучим" методом, а - открытым захватом ЖИЗНЕННОГО ПРОСТРАНСТВА???!
            А как же наличие у владельцев потенциальных "новых территорий" Японии (РФ, Китай) ЯО?
            They have already felt in their own shoes that SUCH a way - not gut ...
            Explain the idea, pliz? hi
            1. IAlex
              IAlex 3 November 2015 00: 33 New
              0
              When there is knowledge about the existence of an antidote, the snake is not so scary ...

              When the United States chopped off the supply of raw materials to Japan in 1941, with the expansion of Japan to China, Japan had only two options:
              1. Either lose oil and raw materials for the production of military equipment and remain completely unknown about their future in a conflict with China, supported by the West ...
              2. Either take risks and get in your own management all the necessary resources, and expand the empire to a safe size to withstand the Western bloc in Asia ...

              Any adequate person who is crushed by circumstances will always choose the option of development of events controlled by him, even if this control is fictitious and imaginary ...

              Now we look at the current situation in Asia:
              1. There are poorly populated territories of the Russian Federation, with weak aircraft in this region, which, if necessary, will not be able to quickly receive the necessary reinforcements. Moreover, the country operates according to the established templates of the 90s and in the required course for the West.
              2. There is a strong China with a weak resource base, most of which is supplied by controlled sea routes. With the growth of the intellectual and industrial level, the international market slowly redistributes income from other Asian and European industrial countries to China, as a result of which the economies of developed countries built on the production of high value-added industrial goods lose their income, their standard of living falls, and as a result, state systems become ugly and pliable outside ...
              3. There is a relatively strong South Korea, which constantly maintains a hotbed of instability and counterbalance, so Korea will not fight on two fronts.
              4. There is a fairly strong Japan, with the support of NATO and the USA (let’s leave it out as before and what are the interests of other players), whose development is hampered by resource and territorial restrictions, especially the redistribution of resources and the constant industrial and intellectual growth of China strongly affects the economy of Japan.

              Thus, in Asia there are common goals for China and Japan:
              - To get free resources for their development.
              - To take resources from competitors to slow down their development
              Given that China is eager for resource independence to support a developing economy and increase living standards, the main source of these resources can be either in India or in the Russian Federation, which cannot be blocked by countries associated with the United States. In India, although a weaker army, there are great human resources and possible support in contrast to China, which make the company lasting and provide a dubious result.
              The capture of the Russian Federation, the most profitable, solving two tasks at once: cutting off Japan and its allies from the resources that they aimed at, and getting completely controlled sources of a huge amount of raw materials.
              Japan’s focus on the Russian Federation is similar ...

              Moreover, the winning time in Japan and China flows in opposite directions. It plays against Japan, although all available military resources are developing rapidly, it’s all the same the backlog that was made is quickly melting away, because China is developing faster without disrupting Japan’s military potential very quickly. A similar trend is observed in the Japanese economy. Therefore, the war for resources is a matter of time and in fact the standard of living (which in one form or another is a struggle for survival) ...

              About nuclear weapons - this is just a weapon, to level out the effect of which it takes time and money, but China and Japan have resources that do not depend on the price of oil and time does not greatly reduce these resources ...
    4. Slobber
      Slobber 2 November 2015 14: 16 New
      +4
      Kawasaki submarine does

      Они и вертолёты недурственные делают - Ninja, Ниндзя то бишь. Не сравнить с Ми-28 или Акулкой, но зато свой вертолёт с очень недурными характеристиками. Который кстати может быть доработан для работы в море и базирования на "крейсере с плоской крышей", японском же.
      In general, oh, how the Japanese got a fuss. So soon it will be uncomfortable for the Chinese fleet, oh-yo-yo, because the modern Japanese fleet is not two fingers in equipment.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 2 November 2015 14: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: razgildyay
        Do not compare with Mi-28 or Shark

        Of course you can’t compare, the Ninja is small and the Mi-28 and Shark are big.
        1. Slobber
          Slobber 2 November 2015 14: 49 New
          +1
          Ninja small

          Like all Oziyat. I like him. I don’t know why. Far from the ceiling of the flight of engineering, but it seems to be much more cheerful than the Chinese Harbin.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 2 November 2015 15: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: razgildyay
            Like all Oziyat. I like him. I don’t know why. Far from the ceiling of the flight of engineering, but it seems to be much more cheerful than the Chinese Harbin.

            Almost all Japanese technology is worthy of respect, a high production culture, much of the Americans in production have borrowed from the Japanese, and so are we.
            I also like the Japanese helicopter.
            The Chinese are still at the beginning of the journey.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 2 November 2015 16: 01 New
          0
          Model from Kamov Design Bureau.
    5. win
      win 2 November 2015 14: 49 New
      +2
      Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.


      But about 70% of the young generation of Japan believe that the USSR dropped atomic bombs.
      10-15 years after the death of the older generation, everyone will already think so ...
      1. Slobber
        Slobber 2 November 2015 15: 55 New
        +6
        But about 70% of the young generation of Japan believe that the USSR dropped atomic bombs.

        And you have data, excuse me, where did you come from? I talked with the Japs both lively and by correspondence, and I have never heard such a nonsense
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 2 November 2015 17: 10 New
          +1
          Well, he’s from intelligence on the avatar :)))))))))))))))))))))))) And nothing, that imagination replaces real facts - but how spectacular!
        2. Manul
          Manul 2 November 2015 17: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: razgildyay
          And you have data, excuse me, where did you come from? I talked with the Japs both lively and by correspondence, and I have never heard such a nonsense

          hi Да это из разряда патриотических вбросов - "кругом враги".
        3. shans2
          shans2 2 November 2015 21: 56 New
          +1
          Literally 2 days ago, Patrushev said the same thing (on TV showed) that the majority believes that it is not the United States, but the USSR, Patrushev is a serious person, he will not drive an empty man .... The problem is that the textbooks say so with the Japanese ( the textbooks made it clear who) that there is no direct indication of who threw off, but the very fact of the bombing comes after writing the entry of the USSR into the war with Japan in Manchuria ...
          1. IAlex
            IAlex 2 November 2015 22: 24 New
            +1
            In the textbooks, as it should be written, they specifically asked me to see who it was written, where and from which planes they dropped bombs ...
    6. Altona
      Altona 2 November 2015 14: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: vodolaz
      Didn't even know what Kawasaki U-boat does. In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.

      ----------------------
      And they have huge concerns, and they have extensive product lines in which motorcycles of the same name are generally small, and mostly large bulk carriers, railway rolling stock, cars, special machinery and hydraulics, machine tools, lifting and port equipment, engines for various purposes and other large things...
      1. geografych
        geografych 2 November 2015 16: 06 New
        +1
        no one has canceled zaibatsu, fuji, mitsubishi, kawaski ... just monsters.
    7. inpu
      inpu 2 November 2015 15: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: vodolaz
      Didn't even know what Kawasaki U-boat does. In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.

      It’s easier to list what Kawasaki does not. There are diapers, there are planes and ships.
    8. mav1971
      mav1971 2 November 2015 16: 56 New
      0
      Quote: vodolaz
      Didn't even know what Kawasaki U-boat does. In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans. Broke them with nuclear explosions.


      Mitsubishi and Kawasaki are the largest companies.
      By the way, they also do 4-generation aircraft.
      And Mitsubishi is also developing the 5. And maybe even before they do us.
    9. Civil
      Civil 2 November 2015 16: 59 New
      0
      Well they don’t have Hummingbirds ... but the boats strain them
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 2 November 2015 20: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Well they don’t have Hummingbirds ..

        " Колибров" - точно нет! smile
  2. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 2 November 2015 13: 57 New
    +9
    the duration of underwater data DEPL approach the characteristics of atomic submarines

    Anaerobic plant ...
    Black envy eats me ... sad

    Quote: vodolaz
    In general, I look Japan began to arm itself intensely. Although still kneeling before the Americans.
    I doubt that this weapon will once be directed to the SGA. But when we turn around the islands, we must try to overcome the islands - yes.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 2 November 2015 14: 05 New
      +4
      I wonder why the Americans defeated the Japanese did not destroy this company. They beat them in the air and in the tail and mane. Now they also produce submarines. I would be in their place allowed to produce only motorcycles and construction equipment. The guys have good experience with weapons and they can deliver many non-conveniences to the USA itself. request
      1. GRIGORIY76
        GRIGORIY76 2 November 2015 14: 14 New
        +5
        Дак "томасы джефферсоны в погонах " там прикрыли все, потому что делали ставку на китай Чан Кайши как союзника, но в 1949 году победила КПК, и США сделали ставку на Японию, как вторую державу после Китая в регионе, пришлось вернуть все концерны, тогда же началось японское экономическое чудо. Это если кратко.
      2. IAlex
        IAlex 2 November 2015 14: 19 New
        +4
        They destroyed them, dividing Zaibatsu into many independent companies in 1947, but thanks to the mentality of the next 10 years, for which the Americans did not have time to create a full-fledged consumer society, they began to weaken supervision over the companies in order to give them a ticket in the golden billion struggle with the USSR in order to use their loyalty. The Yapis in their repertoire simply began to create the hidden Zaibatsu that exist to this day. As an example:

        Asahi glass Co.
        The Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ, Ltd.
        Kirin Brewery Co., Ltd.
        Meiji Yasuda Life Insurance Company
        Nikon Corporation
        Nippon Oil Corporation
        NYK Line (Nippon Yusen Kabushiki Kaisha)
        Tokio Marine & Nichido Fire Insurance Co., Ltd.

        Являются подразделениями Дзайбатсу Mitsubishi, но в приставке нету обозначения пренадлежности к "Mitsubishi", она появится позже как и появилась у других раздробленных компаний...
      3. venaya
        venaya 2 November 2015 14: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: keel 31
        The guys have good experience with weapons and they can deliver many non-conveniences to the US

        Это вряд ли. Япония, сама по себе прекрасный плацдарм и естественно там вполне "официально" находяться базы США. Использовать вассальное "пушечное мясо", ввиде жителей этих островов, да ещё со своим оружием, чем не гениальная идея?
        1. Manul
          Manul 2 November 2015 17: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: venaya
          Это вряд ли. Япония, сама по себе прекрасный плацдарм и естественно там вполне "официально" находяться базы США. Использовать вассальное "пушечное мясо", ввиде жителей этих островов, да ещё со своим оружием, чем не гениальная идея?

          And they also have the Amerovsky missile defense radar, and they are also building a second one. Japan has long been the state of the United States.
      4. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 2 November 2015 14: 26 New
        +4
        Why? And the fate of the company Porsche for example does not surprise you? And Hugo BOSS?
      5. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 2 November 2015 15: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: keel 31
        I wonder why the Americans defeated the Japanese did not destroy this company. They beat them in the air and in the tail and mane.

        The Americans tried - as already written, one of the main decisions of the Yankees on the Japanese economy was the destruction of zaibatsu.
        The problem is that the zaibatsu, having formally fulfilled all the requirements of the Yankees and self-dissolving, then actually revived in the form of a keiretsu, rallying around a bank. Three out of four keiretsu did not even change their name. smile

        Where did the Yankees look? And the Yankees looked at China and Korea. During the fight against zaibatsu, it suddenly turned out that the US position in Asia is not so strong: Chairman Mao (with whose help is known) began to drive the Kuomintang in the tail and mane. And in Korea, Comrade Kim nearly united the entire peninsula - and only at the cost of bringing in UN troops (read - the United States) managed to repel his offensive (and then Kim came to the rescue limited contingent Mao).
        Янки был нужен прочный тыл, непотопляемый авианосец и союзник. Желательно - со своей производственной базой, чтобы не таскать каждый предмет снабжения через весь Тихий океан. Выбор был невелик: Тайвань и Южная Корея на эту роль не годились - они были под дамокловым мечом "красного удара". Оставалась Япония. Вот и пришлось янки сквозь пальцы смотреть на восстановление корпораций своего союзника в Азии.
    2. Jarilo
      Jarilo 2 November 2015 14: 13 New
      +4
      Like that?
    3. Altona
      Altona 2 November 2015 14: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir
      Anaerobic plant ...
      Black envy eats me ...

      ------------------
      Это понятно, а почему всё-таки "лучшие в мире"? Чё в них такого то? Прям намного лучше "Варшавянки"?
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 2 November 2015 15: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        Это понятно, а почему всё-таки "лучшие в мире"? Чё в них такого то? Прям намного лучше "Варшавянки"?

        You yourself quote - it’s better, because in the presence of an anaerobic installation, respectively, under water it can be an order of magnitude longer without ascent Varshavyank hi
  3. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 2 November 2015 14: 01 New
    +8
    This is the 8th heavy Litter class submarine.

    Наши "Варшавянки" значит тоже тяжелые? Характеристики почти одинаковые.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 2 November 2015 14: 39 New
      +3
      The greatest value there is an almost silent, clean, reliable, omnivorous and economical power plant, which under water without floating can be up to 20 days with more than 10000 hours without breakdowns ...

      Those. this submarine is a small and cheap analogue of an atomic submarine ...

      Just yapy after the Swedes - the first who could create a full-fledged and efficient Stirling engine only on their own without the United States, because to create it you need developed heavy and precise engineering ...
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 2 November 2015 16: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: IAlex

        Just yapy after the Swedes - the first who could create a full-fledged and efficient Stirling engine only on their own without the United States, because to create it you need developed heavy and precise engineering ...

        Специально недавно разбирался с анаэробными установками.Их несколько видов.Японцы купили у шведов лицензию на энергетическую установку подводных лодок типа Готланд.Шведы длительное время доводили двигатель Стирлинга.Наша лодка Кронштадт "проекта 677 Лада" испытания не прошла из-за недостатков энергетической установки.Ведутся доработки электрохимического генератора,но на каком уровне находятся работы пока неизвестно.
    2. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 2 November 2015 14: 54 New
      +3
      Characteristics differ dramatically, those that write in such articles are true, the numbers are the simplest.

      But due to secrecy, and to all physical fields in particular: acoustic, primary secondary, magnetic, electro-magnetic, electrical, hydrodynamic, optical
      esky, thermal, etc.-the difference in theory should be significant, not in our favor by the way.

      The same applies to the RTV-like range, and the capabilities of the HAC in particular, and in general. In general, these are different boats of different levels of technology. And their characteristics differ dramatically.
      1. Altona
        Altona 2 November 2015 15: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        But due to secrecy, and to all physical fields in particular: acoustic, primary secondary, magnetic, electro-magnetic, electrical, hydrodynamic, optical

        esky, thermal, etc.-the difference in theory should be significant, not in our favor by the way.

        ----------------------
        Why are you so peremptory right away? They showed the manufacturing technology on TV, everything is just like in a pharmacy, tolerances like in a microscope, special non-magnetic steel ... Well, and other know-how ...
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 2 November 2015 16: 43 New
          +1
          Know-how ?! In 636.3 ???? Did you joke like that?

          These are generally boats of different generations: Warsaw on the 3, and the rubbish of 4.
          1. Altona
            Altona 2 November 2015 19: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Anton Gavrilov
            These are generally boats of different generations: Warsaw on the 3, and the rubbish of 4.

            ------------------
            И что? Во-первых, нынешняя "Варшавянка" подалече ушла от "прародительницы" 70-х, во-вторых, мерянье "письками ТТХ" ничего не дает в реальном бою...
            1. Anton Gavrilov
              Anton Gavrilov 2 November 2015 19: 38 New
              0
              Everything is sooooo bad in your case, if for you the performance characteristics in the battle do not matter .......

              Far far away, but not to the 4 generation, especially not to the rather late boats of the 4 generation ...
              1. Altona
                Altona 2 November 2015 19: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                Everything is sooooo bad in your case, if for you the performance characteristics in the battle do not matter .......

                -------------------------------
                Почему в моем? Я не матрос-подводник...Во-вторых, тактика применения и противодействия постоянно отрабатывается...Ничто не стоит на месте, в том числе и технический прогресс...А то, что я видел по технологии изготовления подлодки "3 поколения", меня лично впечатлило, тем более, что видел "совершенные японские сварочные технологии" вживую...
                1. Anton Gavrilov
                  Anton Gavrilov 2 November 2015 21: 44 New
                  +1
                  Firstly, the tactics directly depend on the technical characteristics, and no matter how you say, for example, even the most sophisticated crew of the first generation boat will be absolutely unable to oppose the 4 boat, even with the crew in the team (as an option), such as 627- th project to Xi Wulfu.

                  I’m talking here about the performance characteristics of boats, and not about building technologies! Have you been to the company where these boats are assembled? I doubt it very much ...
          2. Altona
            Altona 2 November 2015 19: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Anton Gavrilov
            Know-how ?! In 636.3 ???? Did you joke like that?

            ------------------
            No ... The propeller shaft bearing of the African shea butter tree is absolutely impressive, the warranty is 30 years ...
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 3 November 2015 01: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: Altona
              No ... The propeller shaft bearing of the African shea butter tree is absolutely impressive, the warranty is 30 years ...

              What are you talking about? Guaiac tree grows in America and the West Indies, but not in Africa. Another name for the Guaiac tree is BOKAUT and this wood is used in marine engineering for the manufacture of propeller shaft bearings almost from the first steamers. African oil tree; Tree Shi; Vitelaria Indian main use of the tree; the fruits are used to produce vegetable oil used in the food and perfumery industry. Wood is used for the manufacture of containers, coffins, plywood. The data are taken from a 4-volume reference book: Wood species of the world (volume 1) .More I have not found anywhere else about the properties of the Shi Tree. Everywhere it is written that the tree is used only to obtain vegetable oil from the fruits of this tree
  4. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 2 November 2015 14: 01 New
    +1
    Apparently, the Japanese decided to get into a very dubious adventure again ...
    What will China answer?
  5. flSergius
    flSergius 2 November 2015 14: 02 New
    10
    this is not kawasaki! negative Where is the traditional black and green color?
    1. Good me
      Good me 2 November 2015 14: 06 New
      +8
      Quote: flSergius
      this is not kawasaki! Where is the traditional black and green color?

      On rockets, damn them ...
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    3. gjv
      gjv 2 November 2015 17: 16 New
      0
      Quote: flSergius
      Where is the traditional black and green color?

      Quote: Good Me
      On rockets, damn them ...

      А ещё у них зелёные защитные "шорты".
  6. NordUral
    NordUral 2 November 2015 14: 02 New
    0
    Started. The Japanese do not sit on their island.
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 2 November 2015 14: 10 New
      +5
      Well, are you so critical right away? all countries that have some kind of industry and political weight are riveting weapons. and it doesn’t matter whether they need it or not. and in truth, China is a rather arrogant neighbor, if you don’t have teeth, it will fit into your pocket, which is why the Japanese are being built.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 2 November 2015 15: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: ruslan
        and in truth, China is a rather arrogant neighbor,

        Так вот Руслан,историю надо знать.Хотя бы с начала 20-го века.И что происходило в Китае и историю Порт-Амура и последующие события и историю отрядов 100 и 731.Вот тогда вы поймёте нелюбовь китайцев к японцам.Даже прочитав детектив "Кио Кумицу.По прочтению сжечь"вы много поймёте что происходило в Китае в эти годы.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 2 November 2015 14: 23 New
      +6
      Here are the characteristics in more detail. And there are already eight of these sharks near us.
  7. roskot
    roskot 2 November 2015 14: 04 New
    +1
    The Japanese stirred. Armed. The next stage is the preparation of kamikaze.
    1. Vladimir71
      Vladimir71 2 November 2015 14: 12 New
      +4
      In this field, they had competitors))) igil but kamikaze could even be respected were people of honor and these animals deserve nothing but a spit on their remains.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 2 November 2015 15: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: roskot
      The Japanese stirred. Armed.

      The Japanese always moved. Just nobody really paid attention to it. I wrote more than once in the comments that the Japanese conducted hidden tests of their military equipment in the harsh conditions of the Far East. Under the guise of prototypes of construction and mining equipment, they worked out engines, transmissions, and others. components and assemblies at low temperatures. In the closed conditions of most regions of the Far East, they used the training of our specialists as warranty mechanics. They demanded that most of the destroyed warranty units be sent to the Japanese representative office in Khabarovsk, with a detailed description of the operating conditions. Moreover, they tried to get the units which have failed and not under warranty cases, exchanging them for new ones.
  8. ilija93
    ilija93 2 November 2015 14: 06 New
    12
    Right-hand drive?
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 2 November 2015 15: 48 New
      0
      Hardly. What is a motorcycle, that the aircraft steering wheel in the middle.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 2 November 2015 20: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Banshee
        As for motorcycles, for aircraft, the steering wheel is in the middle.

        Sometimes doubles! drinks
  9. Smoked
    Smoked 2 November 2015 14: 07 New
    +2
    And how many seconds to 100 does?
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 2 November 2015 14: 11 New
    +1
    after the Second World Samurai, apparently emphasized the submarine fleet, and guessed with this direction, the Yankees with their surface (and underwater too) fleet are now in shock, which means it is the turn of the rocket and torpedo armament of these fish ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 November 2015 15: 03 New
      +6
      "янки со своим надводным (да и подводным тоже) флотом теперь в шоке////

      Why shocked? They are close military allies with Japan. There is a military agreement
      assistance.
      On the contrary, the Americans are glad that together with Japan it will be possible to repulse the rapidly growing Chinese fleet.
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  12. Proxima
    Proxima 2 November 2015 14: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Kil 31
    I wonder why the Americans defeated the Japanese did not destroy this company. They beat them in the air and in the tail and mane. Now they also produce submarines. I would be in their place allowed to produce only motorcycles and construction equipment. The guys have good experience with weapons and they can deliver many non-conveniences to the USA itself. request

    Тогда американцам нужно было в первую очередь уничтожить надо было фирму Мицубиси. Их самолётик "Зеро", вот он конечно поднасолил матрасникам.
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 November 2015 14: 36 New
    0
    Japanese-she is capable of the best in the world. Now we need to tell them more often about Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Maybe we will have some kind of benefit from this. repeat
  14. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 2 November 2015 14: 41 New
    -2
    propeller, ballast tanks, periscope, one and the same. Leonardodavinchi already thought of it. I want something breakthrough so that it flies and crawls.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 2 November 2015 20: 54 New
      0
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      . I want something breakthrough, so that I fly, swim and crawl.

      You are welcome -
  15. cormorant
    cormorant 2 November 2015 14: 59 New
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    .... who are recognized by experts as one of the best in the world ... Are these the e * ksperds who consider our fleet to be rusty and incompetent. Then it is as best as our navy rusty ...
  16. max15243
    max15243 2 November 2015 15: 20 New
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    In the Far East, in the event of a kneading, we will either be observers (China and Japan), or an ally (we are with China against Japan and the USA), or severely beaten (at sea) if any of them come upon us (if China gives us it will be a little more offensive, still an ally). Unfortunately, we can’t compete there even if we have time to adjust something from the Baltic and the Black Sea along the Northern Route. By the way, there is a dispute over the islands and Americans in a hurry there so the intensity of passions will intensify. I just think everything will work out, three out of four are members of the nuclear club, and the fourth of the participants has experienced the consequences of a nuclear cataclysm.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 3 November 2015 02: 25 New
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      Quote: max15243
      or severely beaten (at sea) if any of them come upon us (if China is a little more offensive to us.)

      Why are you offended? In the East, you don’t know what will happen tomorrow because everything depends on the mood of the leadership, today you are a friend, tomorrow you are an enemy. They need you while you can give something. Do not forget the years 1969-1970 (I will not mention other years and conflicts) : Conflicts in Damansky, Gildinsky, Kazakhstan. 1979: War between China and Vietnam, to the laughter of the whole capitalist world. So in the Far East, we do not have reliable friends and allies. There are travel companions for solving current problems.
  17. inpu
    inpu 2 November 2015 15: 37 New
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    And if you scratch her side, then she blinks pink-red, giggles and says something in an anime voice in Japanese.
  18. v1tz
    v1tz 2 November 2015 15: 43 New
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    As I understand it, a power plant based on the Stirling engine ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 3 November 2015 00: 09 New
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      Quote: v1tz
      Stirling engine propulsion system ...

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      they all write about the stirling engine - and how do the Japanese warm it? Of course, it is possible to cool with sea water through the hull or in general a radiator on the tail into the girth of a multi-sheeted boat.

      I always wondered: what, Yankees, Germans, we could not do VNEU based on the Stirling engine? Could ... Then why not?
      But it seems to me that everything is very simple: the Stirling engine is a huge source of thermal energy that is diverted to the surrounding aquatic environment ... And we were able to look for underwater objects along the thermal trail back in the 70s of the last century.
      Maybe that's why the Yankees, we and the Germans make aerobic installations on fuel cells or on the basis of diesel fuel reforming. The problem of cryogenic oxygen is also not a gift, but does not leave such a thermal imprint as Stirling. And this is one of the sides of secrecy.
      IMHO.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 3 November 2015 17: 13 New
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        The problem of cryogenic oxygen is also not a gift, but does not leave such a thermal imprint as Stirling.

        Yes, not a gift. In addition to the fact that these boats were fire hazard, there was still a noise problem. Look at the problems of the A615 or 615A project submarines, I came across the same designation of the project. Unfortunately, I only have articles from the engine and wikipedia magazines about this GEM.
  19. Corsair
    Corsair 2 November 2015 16: 51 New
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    what here everything is written about the stirling engine - and what does the Japanese warm it with? Of course, it is possible to cool with sea water through the hull or in general a radiator on the tail into the girth of a multi-sheeted boat.
    MAIN QUESTION WHAT TO WARM THE STIRLING ENGINE FOR THE PROCESS implies external heating? TENY, gas or diesel burners? Perhaps even fireless combustion on catalysts ...

    lol I hope the Japanese do not graze here? And then they, too, are lovers of other people's ideas to rub and implement at home.
  20. GDV
    GDV 2 November 2015 20: 17 New
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    Something warms that in order to bring to the planned capacity it is necessary to constantly maintain a high temperature, cool, the power drops, more specifically, and to heat and bring to the declared 8000ls it will take time and not a little. Most likely a diesel injector, but any combustion reaction requires oxygen for this and an aerobic installation is needed and they have it.
    Yes, espionage is a great thing, for example Richard Sorge.
  21. and why
    and why 2 November 2015 22: 23 New
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    As for me (Kiselyova recalled) at the current political moment we need to get closer to Japan, China has become too aggressive. But the Japanese themselves spoil everything, they immediately begin to recall the so-called northern territories.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 3 November 2015 02: 54 New
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      and why! There is a bunch of problems tied up and everyone wants to solve it for their own benefit. And much depends on how the leaders of these states slept and what they dreamed about. Carefully follow the messages of the US State Department, do not drop messages about Korea, Taiwan, China. It is very difficult to predict something here. You look what’s going on? After meeting with the Queen of England, China went into straining relations with the United States. And now three countries will seek Russian support in this conflict, each solving its own problem in this region. And do not think that the Japanese are blindly following the United States.
  22. surrozh
    surrozh 3 November 2015 07: 56 New
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    A peace treaty with the Japanese has not been signed, so the enemy has a replenishment in the submarine.