MoD of India will procure C-400 systems in Russia

The Indian Defense Ministry is interested in the speedy acquisition of the C-400 air defense system from Russia, reports RIA News Post Economic Times.

According to the source of the publication, "The Indian Air Force is interested in acquiring the order of 10 missile systems C-400."

He noted that "the project is being considered at an accelerated pace due to the extreme operational requirements, since in 2017, six such systems will be supplied to China."

According to the newspaper, "on Friday, Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar flew to Moscow to attend the next meeting of the intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation." As expected, during the visit, “the issue of acquiring C-400 will also be discussed.”

In addition, according to the Economic Times, "the parties should discuss the project on the joint production of Ka-226T helicopters under the" Do in India "program, as well as the leasing of the second nuclear submarine of the Shark class."

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[avvg]

India also understands that the air "smells of gunpowder," and it is necessary to provide air defense as soon as possible.

[bulvas]

He noted that "the project is being considered at an accelerated pace due to the extreme operational requirements, since in 2017, six such systems will be supplied to China."

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[venaya]

Quote: bulvas

Good Marketers at Rosoboronexport

Business, only business - nothing personal!

[ava09]

Quote: venaya

Quote: bulvas

Good Marketers at Rosoboronexport

Business, only business - nothing personal!

With such an understanding of the essence of the matter, someone sells a grenade and a monkey. No need to give a knife to someone who wants to stick it in your back. This is not about Indians, but about human stupidity ...

[venaya]

Quote: ava09

No need to give a knife to someone who wants to stick it in your back. This is not about Indians, but about human stupidity ...

"about human stupidity ..."- This is a difficult concept. If you do not sell your equipment, competitors will sell, this is even more stupid. And the biggest stupidity is to give the opportunity ... (as you put it) to organize your production around the world and to anyone. This is the case , when a grenade can be made by anyone himself. I think in the end result we will be much worse. Remember how many have already managed to create their own homemade missiles or bombs. Think more carefully, in the end: what is safer for us as a result.

[crazyrom]

With the Indians, which is good, they always buy a lot. If you decide to buy, it will be 50, 100, 150 pieces, be it tanks, planes or air defense.

[victor]

Not quite so. Recently, they are trying to get production technology, and buy only the first (small) lots. Remember the French Rafael.

[Per se.]

Quote: venaya

If you do not sell your equipment, then competitors will sell, this is even more stupid.

Maybe so, but if you do not have priorities, no matter how the "shoemaker" is left without "boots" here, but the priority should always be the same - first think about the Motherland (your army), and then about yourself (your corporate profit). Selling surplus is good, and not so much that the cat cried in his army.

[ava09]

Quote: venaya

"about human stupidity ..." - This is a difficult concept.

The concept is rather not complicated, but eternal.

Quote: venaya

And the biggest stupidity is to give an opportunity ... (as you put it) to organize your production around the world and to anyone.

I never wrote about "the ability to organize your own production", especially "all over the world" and "anyone". And if, as you say, there is such an opportunity, then why is there no production? It's not as simple as you think.
I’ll try to explain my point again: (C) Business, only business - nothing personal! (C) - I did not like this approach in the arms trade. Based on this promise, let’s sell weapons to terrorists abroad and within the country, because others supply them all the same. Only this was discussed, your fantasies extend much further, but, unfortunately, in the wrong direction ...-)

[APASUS]

Quote: bulvas

Good Marketers at Rosoboronexport

What does Rosoboronexport marketers have to do with it? Demand for air defense systems has been rising in the world for 10-15 years, and this is more a response to American tactics than the work of marketers from Russia.

[kodxnumx]

I think it’s good that our S-400 went for export, for profit we can supply the S-500 troops.

[Stena]

Quote: bulvas

Good Marketers at Rosoboronexport

To put it mildly - crap! First, they sell 6 complexes to the Chinas, who will tear them under a carbon copy and sell them cheaper, and then to the Indians, who will probably want to produce them on their territory. What's so good about that?

[Tor5]

Very reasonable! Moreover, India has very cool relations with China.

[KBR109]

These systems themselves are necessary as air. To equip yourself first? No ? Need currency - nothing to cut? Or is Moscow already covered, but the rest of the state is not supposed to? And India will also require partial assembly at home, coupled with a license. Give your wife to your uncle, and go to ... When will the transition to trade in hydrocarbons and other raw materials for rubles be completed?

[sa-ag]

Quote: KBR109

Or Moscow is already covered, but the rest of the state is not supposed to

Well, here you are close to the truth :-) Rather, according to the residual principle

[bulvas]

Quote: KBR109

Or is Moscow already covered, but the rest of the state is not supposed to?

While the neighbors think how to defend themselves from each other, they are unlikely to come up with

mess with a big northern bear.

[KBR109]

And how, excuse me, is this connected with our main "partner" and his mongrels in NATO ?? After all, we must first of all protect ourselves from them.

[remy]

The main thing is to load orders our plants for 15-20 years.
for our VKS we already every year 2 regimental complexes of the S-400 air defense missile system - "we will ship"
2-3 regiments for export
people need stability and confidence!
stable income to the state!
and you have KBR109 typical populism and no more ....

- So we will put in the troops all the designated S-400 complexes and what is next with the plants and people?
- look for orders for export? they will be sailing away by then!

[sharp-lad]

Moreover, part of the money raised from arms sales is returned to new developments and the production of the latest models for the Russian army.

[vovanpain]

Quote: bulvas

While the neighbors think how to defend themselves from each other, they are unlikely to come up with

mess with a big northern bear.

But we don’t have any other neighbors? Here’s a star-striped neighbor who just looks like shitting at the door for us, and the neighbors from NATO are really very good neighbors. The main thing is that Moscow and the Kremlin are covered, and in other regions let them fight off slingshots, whether it’s not Russian people who live there; Moscow is a separate state.

[bulvas]

Quote: vovanpain

But we don’t have any other neighbors? Here’s a star-striped neighbor who just looks like shitting at the door for us, and the neighbors from NATO are really very good neighbors. The main thing is that Moscow and the Kremlin are covered, and in other regions let them fight off slingshots, whether it’s not Russian people who live there; Moscow is a separate state.

You were right when you said "we shit under the door." - From this missiles will not save

No one will do more - no idiots

A more serious danger is if in the country there is nothing to pay to teachers, doctors and the military

Then the missiles will not save

Quote: KBR109

And how, excuse me, is this connected with our main "partner" and his mongrels in NATO ?? After all, we must first of all protect ourselves from them.

The main dream of our main partner is to strangle Russia economically.
There is no military way.

He (partner) would be happy for India to buy Patriots or Israeli systems.

Offer to give them such an opportunity?

In addition, hypersonic missiles are a new threat. For this, the S-500

A new plant was laid for them, and we will arm ourselves with them

[Pilat2009]

Quote: KBR109

hydrocarbons and other raw materials for rubles?

Never. For why would a buyer have a haemorrhoid with buying rubles at first? Then it’s easier for him to buy from another supplier. Here he can buy for rupees. But why does Gazprom need rupees?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: KBR109

When will the transition to trade in hydrocarbons and other raw materials for rubles be completed?

And who else, besides Russia, has reserves of rubles?
All other countries must first buy rubles from us, and then pay. It is not profitable to lose twice on the difference in sales and purchases of foreign currency.
And as America did, bought gold and issued loans in dollars, we will not succeed. This was possible when the 2 World War ended, when almost all of Europe was in ruins, the industry had to be restored, and then we were also in ruins. Therefore, they could not deal with the expansion of the ruble.

[TSOOBER]

The new plant of Almaz-Antey Concern is preparing for commissioning, news on 21.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX

[just exp]

Ain - export models are not the same models as for domestic consumption.
zwei - in Nizhny Novgorod, 2 NEW PLANTS were built to produce new air defense systems, that is, the number of manufactured air defense systems will increase.
Dry - there is such a thing as the size of the series, the larger it is, the cheaper the product.

[Stena]

Quote: just explo

Ain - export models are not the same models as for domestic consumption.
zwei - in Nizhny Novgorod, 2 NEW PLANTS were built to produce new air defense systems, that is, the number of manufactured air defense systems will increase.
Dry - there is such a thing as the size of the series, the larger it is, the cheaper the product.

All in one pile do not interfere! The price is negotiated in advance and prescribed in the contracts. But the costs can be reduced in this way, but to a certain limit and the price this usually does not affect. But only at the size of the profit of the office. What is this plus for you? The correct answer is no.

[just exp]

the price in the contract is agreed in advance for the Chinese, and for the plant it is a cheaper series, the maximum price can be reduced only with a series of tens of thousands of products, as was the case with the T-54/55, and when the bill goes to hundreds, then every new hundred orders are all the same some percent reduction in price, and given the price of products, the savings can reach millions.

[Stena]

Quote: just explo

the price in the contract is agreed in advance for the Chinese, and for the plant it is a cheaper series, you can reduce the price as much as possible only with a series of tens of thousands of products, as was the case with the T-54/55, and when the bill goes to hundreds, each new hundred orders is all the same some percent reduction in price, and given the price of products, the savings can reach millions

All the same, only the contract is not with the Chinese, but with the Ministry of Defense. If the prime cost is significantly lower than the contract price, then the additional profit goes to the plant, but it affects the price no matter how much (of course, the pre-agreed price in the contract) .... For series in million units (for example, as when releasing cartridges during the Second World War) Conditionally fixed costs did not seem to be taken into account at all because they were too small per 1 cartridge issued ... And only variable costs were considered - the cost of materials, salaries of the shop workers directly involved in production, etc. In the long run - you are undoubtedly right - the price should be less than a serial sample. But contracts with India and China - as I understand it - these are not exactly serial models. Therefore, the price of our production models (for the native Russian army in connection with these contracts will hardly be lower). Regards, AKC.

[Disant]

Ain - our pilots (or allies to us!) will say thanks to our zealous merchants when this export complex accidentally jumps somewhere for resale to another unreliable country, perhaps even in a cheaper truncated, assembled on the knee version based on s-400, but nonetheless dangerous.
such a product cannot be sold, it is exclusive. let's better sell airplanes left and right - freight, passenger ... wow, what price will be good when we start stamping them a lot like no sausages. can't yet.

tsvay - how do the same Chinese and Indians look at us and think of us when we are for them and you, and they themselves, as they wrote above, are "cool to each other"? and they also look at America when it incites regional conflicts and then supplies (sells and not only - gives in the form of investments!) weapons to all parties to the conflict? and I will say - as unprincipled cheap traders looking for momentary profit. after all, they know that they will copy and send them later in the forest, but after all it is itching ... you have to sell .. you need to sell ..

[just exp]

and to whom did the Chinese sell our S-300 and Su-27?

[Disant]

I have indicated my position, I repeat: they will sell, sell and will sell. Only not the originals, but their copies based on our technologies. well what are you really ...

[bakhit]

Syria advertising dates fruit

[McLuha-MacLeod]

Well, let's go! China wants the S-400; India wants the S-400. Another plant switches to three-shift

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: McLooka-MacLeod

Well, go! China wants C-400, India wants C-400.

And how our VKS want ...

[venaya]

Quote: McLooka-MacLeod

... China wants the S-400, India wants the S-400. Another plant switches to three-shift

Good, very pleasant to hear the news you announce. How do you want the whole country to become multi-shift in production.

[Reptiloid]

Let them buy. They are just amazed !!

[Rigla]

The PRC is of course our ally, but with a well-known reputation ... I'm afraid soon inexpensive clones of this system will spread around the world.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Rigla

The PRC is of course our ally, but with a well-known reputation ... I'm afraid soon inexpensive clones of this system will spread around the world.

Even so, what? Copies are copies ..! We know their characteristics and capabilities, and this is important (it’s worse if they create something similar of their own ...))) Our military-industrial complex does not stop at s-400, and money is needed to develop new, more advanced systems .. (S-500 and etc.)

[hydrox]

Quote: Rigla

crawl inexpensive clones of this system.

Well, the Chinese did a clone of AK-47 - and what, in turn, stand?
No, those who are smarter buy Finnish "Kalash" three times more expensive than ours. It's the same with other samples - cheap clones are for poor countries, and they don't charge much.
But Russia will make 154 T-50 car kits for Indian money: what matters is that money go ahead! Otherwise, there will be nothing to build on.

[gloomy fox]

First of all, you need to defend your country with the help of such complexes and put them in abundance in the troops so that the Yankees do not think to try to fly to the Russian Federation without demand. First, I sell China and they are copy-master, and then friends in India. who is next?

[hydrox]

Especially for troeshniki: China and India have very strained relations and India hasn’t bought weapons from China for a long time, and, God forbid, they won’t buy them.

[flay]

Quote: avvg

India also understands that the air "smells of gunpowder," and it is necessary to provide air defense as soon as possible.

That's for sure. It no longer just smells, but just the same .....
India and China have excellent sense of smell;

[novobranets]

India has not very friendly relations with China, and very unfriendly with Pakistan. And these relations, thanks to our Western "friends", can aggravate at any moment. Therefore, their "ha-a-achu S-400" are fully justified and normal from the point of view of defense. Moreover, they do not borrow weapons, but pay for them quite regularly.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: novobranets

Moreover, they do not borrow weapons, but pay quite regularly for it.

Everything is true, and especially that the air defense weapons are defensive ..! It’s better to buy such weapons than tanks and missiles ... the USA can arrange a provocation (they are experts on it)))

[yuriy55]

Russia begins to defend its rights in the global arms market thanks to an "advertising campaign in Syria." True connoisseurs of everything new military make their choice between realities and phantoms ...

[Darkoff]

Why not first sell the S-300s released as a result of the replacement with S-400 complexes?
Or do we already have effective means of suppressing the S-400 and we ourselves can not be afraid of them?

[Stas157]

Quote: DarkOFF

Why not first sell the S-300s released as a result of the replacement with S-400 complexes?
Or do we already have effective means of suppressing the S-400 and we ourselves can not be afraid of them?

The Chinese have already copied S-300 and offer it for export at dumping prices. Recently, in a Turkish tender, a Chinese clone walked around our original S-300 complex!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: DarkOFF

Why not first sell the S-300s released as a result of the replacement with S-400 complexes?

because not everyone will take

[Darkoff]

Well, it is not necessary.
Go broke or what?

[KBR109]

Copies are copies ..! We know their characteristics and capabilities, and this is important (it’s worse if they create something similar of their own ...))) Our military-industrial complex does not stop at s-400, and money is needed to develop new, more advanced systems .. (S-500 and etc.) [/ quote] ,,,,,,, For the development of new systems, the presence of currency is a prerequisite?

[Lenivets]

"Is the availability of currency a prerequisite for the development of new systems?"

+5 points !!!
A more naive and ... question than you I have not yet met.

Counter-question: is currency not money?

[KBR109]

The counter-question is - do the rubles supported by ulevodorod not money?

[Lenivets]

A counter question - what if to add a couple of hundred mil to the rubles "supported by ulevodorods"? euros or dollars of money will be more or less?
Can’t you convert the currency into rubles?
And the budget of Russia is rubber? ....

[KBR109]

Stupid answer to your rhetorical question. Have you tried to steal less in Russia? Or at least return stolen goods? Or will Swiss swell for Russian prosecutors (Skrynnik)? It hurts a lot of the untouchables divorced ... It's time to step in 1937 ...

[Lenivets]

Have you tried less to engage in populism and ask rhetorical questions that have nothing to do with the topic?

We are just discussing the S-400, so bend something else about kindergartens and pensions ...

[hydrox]

Quote: KBR109

Is currency necessary for developing new systems?

Are you nuts on currency?
Financing is needed, and anyway, in what candy wrappers - the rest is the business of weapons economists ...

[Karlovar]

And why are we so worried that the price of oil has fallen, so the budget filling has also fallen ????

[Zaurbek]

For air defense systems no one will require a license and production. There is no particular competition, at least in such systems. Here you can demand an advance payment and buy something else in the package.

[KBR109]

In the case of India and Brazil, you probably forgot about the CANDLES ... this is also air defense, albeit military.

[hydrox]

Quote: KBR109

In the case of India and Brazil, you probably forgot about the CANDLES ... this is also air defense, albeit military.

Well, you can’t be so uneducated!
We made armor for the Saudis and on an ADVANCE PAYMENT, and then we upgraded what happened.
Is it clear?

[Evil Kind]

Did Brazil buy similar systems from competitors? I haven’t heard something! Brazil now has financial problems, that's why they refused ... for now, air defense is an expensive pleasure, it will be seen further. About India, what are your fantasies, where did you get that she
refused.

[Dimon19661]

All export products of our military-industrial complex have greatly reduced parameters, the plant will cope, and production can be expanded for sales, secondly, part of the proceeds can be used to develop new products. In addition, the important factor is the cost of the product — the more orders, the lower the cost , respectively, the Russian Armed Forces can get complexes at a lower price.

[KBR109]

How much time will pass? And the country's air defense had to be strengthened YESTERDAY. Moscow I assure you this is not the whole country ...

[Evil Kind]

Can you put the Shell next to your outhouse in the yard, also a strategic object ... for you !? Finish writing the same thing already, at least you've written it 3 times already.

[v1tz]

Shark-class submarine: they also want to create a vigorous triad for themselves, in an already fragile world, do they need it?

[Hitrovan07]

Hindus will not be able to sit on two chairs - either "our world" or "light elves".

[Russian Uzbek]

about the "light elves" they know better than you and me! after all, the former "Pearl of the British Crown" ... lived, so to speak, under the strict guidance ...

[Dimon19661]

Quote: Hitrovan07

Hindus will not be able to sit on two chairs - either "our world" or "light elves".

And they don’t sit on two chairs. India pursues a completely independent policy.

[Anchonsha]

I have not heard that Russia is supplying S-400 to China, maybe it missed? And the fact that the Indians buy weapons from the West, and not only from Russia, is a common practice, so as not to be dependent on anyone. Russia, too, did this earlier. So do not scold them for acquiring weapons from our enemies.

[Dimon19661]

Not yet supplied, but China is interested.

[Are]

Quote: yuriy55

Russia begins to defend its rights in the global arms market thanks to an "advertising campaign in Syria." True connoisseurs of everything new military make their choice between realities and phantoms ...

Advertising agency "VKS" on the road show in Syria shows excellent results.

[Tektor]

S-400 deliveries abroad are very beneficial for us. In addition to the economic effect, there is a political aspect in such a delivery - military-political orientation, i.e. alliances. If we supply S-400s to China and India, then we will tie these countries to ourselves. We will get the opportunity to influence their leadership to some extent. True, one question arises with "copying" and "decoupling" ...

[Karlovar]

Absolutely right! The USA, for example, sells its weapons to its allies, does not allow buying on the side! The latest example of Turkey's attempt to buy Chinese air defense systems ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Tektor

tie these countries to yourself

How do you want to tie China? There are no fools living there

[yan 2015]

it's like .. who did not have time to buy, we are not to blame.

[RUSLAN]

It's like in life that you know how to do well, you can earn a living! I don’t care at all for deliveries of S-400 to India, but I have to be careful with the Chinese ... Those are still homemade! Really, no well-written contracts can save me from copying? After all, these are not private offices, although they are not full-fledged, but nevertheless they create clones, but state corporations of their military industrial complex ... Not really there is no council for them?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: RUSLAN

no competently drawn up contracts save from copying?

I’m afraid that it doesn’t because the appearance of the product is slightly different. Here, for example, if you patented vertical guides (for example, they naturally received a patent), then you could require something. Yes, and then the guides can be made at an angle of 5 degrees to the vertical, for example

[Zaurbek]

The carapace is an incorrect comparison, there are better or worse analogues. And systems like the S-400 have a competitor, the Patriot. and upgraded S-300s. Air defense market seller and buy on Russian terms.

[GDV]

A very wise decision — everyone should have the right to protect their airspace, especially since China will not have time for stamping — it is necessary to saturate the market until China launches the release of a cheap analogue.

[sharp-lad]

And this is the best intellectual property protection.

[Disant]

this is the best way to lose one of the advantages

[Mista_dj]

Until the yellow-eyed people were sold, these "friends" were turning up their snouts.
Can macaques now sell a couple of MIG squadrons !?
You look, in a week, our MIGarek in the tender with a rafalka will improve, and !?
Pumps up the same, zhaboeda airplane !?

[Disant]

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