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In Germany created ammunition with variable power

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German developers from TDW have created and have already experienced a fundamentally new technology for changing the power of ammunition, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the resource Defense Aerospace.


In Germany created ammunition with variable power


According to the newspaper, the term "power" means "the power of destruction or the area of ​​fragmentation damage" from ammunition.

The 2 projectile was tested at the test site. On one, the power was set to 10%, on the other - to 100%. “Ammunition produced absolutely different destruction,” writes the resource.

Details of the test are not reported in order to maintain secrecy.

“The development is called RADIUS and allows depending on the goals and objectives of the combat operation to instantly change the power of the projectile. Such universality will allow in the future to have only one weapon for any type of combat missions instead of a whole “wagon” of bulky artillery, ”the resource notes.

It is also reported that the company plans to introduce its development "in all types of ammunition from missiles to mines."
Photos used:
Artem Zhitenev / RIA News www.ria.ru
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  1. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 31 October 2015 08: 15
    -17%
    A little off topic: why Germany, and not Germany? Is it divided again, or do the West German "ilits" feel superior? However, if this is such a throw-in of the author, then it is worse for him.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 31 October 2015 08: 31
      +36
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      A little off topic: why Germany, and not Germany? Is it divided again, or do the West German "ilits" feel superior? However, if this is such a throw-in of the author, then it is worse for him.


      Because - Germany (German: Deutschland), the official name is the Federal Republic of Germany (German: Bundesrepublik Deutschland), Germany (German: BRD) - a state in Western Europe. The area is 357 km². The 021 census population is over 2011 million.
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 31 October 2015 08: 47
        +26
        And why ammunition needs different power options? It doesn’t matter that in Belaz a bag of cargo is taken from a quarry, not a full body.
        1. Slobber
          Slobber 31 October 2015 09: 19
          -3
          And why ammunition needs different power options?

          And why ammunition needed?
        2. Sagittarius YaNAO
          Sagittarius YaNAO 31 October 2015 09: 30
          +30
          Quote: oleg-gr
          And why ammunition needs different power options?

          When hit in moderation, it will be moderately destroyed, and if in the enemy then no mercy. laughing
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 31 October 2015 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: Sagittarius Yamal
            Quote: oleg-gr
            And why ammunition needs different power options?

            When hit in moderation, it will be moderately destroyed, and if in the enemy then no mercy. laughing

            ====
            thrifty Germans. the shell kills the living, but retains the infrastructure
          2. renics
            renics 31 October 2015 23: 26
            +1
            They created it specifically for ISIS, set it to zero and didn’t do any damage, but as an excuse for the world, we say we are fighting with them.
        3. Skif83
          Skif83 31 October 2015 09: 31
          -1
          Here the meaning is different,
          On one, power was set at 10%, on the other - at 100%. “The ammunition produced completely different destruction,” the resource writes.
          .
          At first, I was also surprised by the term "power", and then it came ... it's from computer toys.
          It seems they were carried away by this, let’s not bother them ...
          We must create what is from them, in which case ( lol ), stone upon stone ... etc.
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 31 October 2015 09: 52
            +6
            In the original (August 2013 article), the word Might or Power is not used at all. It just says scalable warhead (scalable warhead).
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 31 October 2015 16: 06
              +2
              Article 2013 Just super, what a freshly printed "Rossiyskaya Gazeta". I remember the movie "We are from jazz". There, one character in the 20s reads a newspaper and says: what's going on - the anarchists killed the tsar. And he answered: what year are you reading the newspaper? :)
            2. Normal ok
              Normal ok 31 October 2015 16: 06
              0
              Article 2013 Just super, what a freshly printed "Rossiyskaya Gazeta". I remember the movie "We are from jazz". There, one character in the 20s reads a newspaper and says: what's going on - the anarchists killed the tsar. And he answered: what year are you reading the newspaper? :)
            3. Lunic
              Lunic 1 November 2015 01: 31
              0
              Well, at least someone was not too lazy to look for the source!
        4. theadenter
          theadenter 31 October 2015 09: 36
          +6
          More precise control of the area of ​​destruction and more effective planning of the attack.
          For example, when used in the village.
          1. Manul
            Manul 31 October 2015 09: 59
            +3
            Quote: theadenter
            More precise control of the area of ​​destruction and more effective planning of the attack.
            For example, when used in the village.

            All the same, they will be exposed to 100%. And if you suddenly need a "moderate" shot, it will be a rarity. Drive a tank on tasks that a modern BMP can solve? So I join the skeptics, in this area we should not chase the Germans, let them lead.
            1. theadenter
              theadenter 31 October 2015 10: 13
              +4
              Setting it to 100% - it’s easier not to switch to adjustable shells at all, but to use just less powerful shells when the situation requires it. The static power of the shell inspires me more confidence than the dynamic.
            2. dauria
              dauria 31 October 2015 12: 41
              +3
              So I join the skeptics, in this area we should not chase the Germans


              Well, what if this function is just an "addition" to the smart fuse programmed in the barrel at the moment of firing? (by time or height plus radius). For example, undermining OVER the target .... You need to take a closer look.
            3. skeket
              skeket 31 October 2015 23: 25
              0
              Quote: Manul
              All the same, they will exhibit 100%.

              I have the same opinion. Suppose you need to throw a shell in the window of the house so that the house is safe and the enemies are dead, but I think it is better to throw a shell in the window so that everyone is beaten there, and whoever survives, let him bury it under the rubble of this house. It would be better to rebuild the house than to dig the grave of your soldier!
        5. APASUS
          APASUS 31 October 2015 10: 09
          +9
          Quote: oleg-gr
          And why ammunition needs different power options?

          Unify all ammunition under one standard and build such monsters, you can use it as a machine gun or as an anti-tank gun laughing laughing laughing
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 31 October 2015 11: 55
            +5
            Quote: APASUS
            build such monsters, you can use it as a machine gun and as an anti-tank gun

            Firm Vickers, a program for creating a 127-mm anti-aircraft gun with water-cooled barrel when firing and with two drum magazines for 14 shots each (closed in 1957)

            In the photo - a 102-mm prototype, tested in the mid-50s
        6. Atrix
          Atrix 31 October 2015 10: 28
          +3
          Quote: oleg-gr
          And why ammunition needs different power options? It doesn’t matter that in Belaz a bag of cargo is taken from a quarry, not a full body.

          Imagine a plane taking off on a combat flight with ammunition with a power of 1 tone of TNT equivalent with a radius of destruction of 500 meters. Suddenly a target appears that needs to be destroyed but a civilian object is located in a radius of 400 meters. If you reduce the power, then theoretically the radius of destruction will decrease.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 31 October 2015 22: 56
            0
            Quote: Atrix
            Imagine a plane taking off on a combat flight with ammunition with a power of 1 tone of TNT equivalent with a radius of destruction of 500 meters. Suddenly a target appears that needs to be destroyed but a civilian object is located in a radius of 400 meters. If you reduce the power, then theoretically the radius of destruction will decrease.

            Amaze the peacemaker!
            I would also understand the directional strike system, the ability to change the properties of a bomb to fulfill certain tasks, but in order to reduce the striking ability ................. it is easier to make a reliable guidance system.
        7. Koshak
          Koshak 31 October 2015 11: 15
          +1
          Quote: oleg-gr
          And why ammunition needs different power options? It doesn’t matter that in Belaz a bag of cargo is taken from a quarry, not a full body.

          For moderate opposition 10%, for immoderate - 100%
        8. Bayonet
          Bayonet 31 October 2015 11: 50
          +2
          Quote: oleg-gr
          And why ammunition needs different power options?

          Well, you hit the building, where you need to destroy the firing point on the ground floor, and who sits at the top - doubts. We put a minimum. The order comes "Fill this fucking house with hell!" - set it to the maximum and ... no hut! smile hi
        9. wiwa
          wiwa 31 October 2015 20: 28
          0
          what for? the answer is, the Americans kill the igil - they put 10%, and Assad 100%, and then they tell the whole world how they fight terrorists ... by the way, about the charges, put less explosive, less power, more .... eco invention ... again from zrada I can cook ...
          1. olegkrava
            olegkrava 31 October 2015 20: 49
            +1
            It’s just that when you shoot 10% from a projectile’s duplex, 90% of the explosive drops out, and at 100% it’s not horseradish.
        10. Witold
          Witold 1 November 2015 22: 53
          -1
          The author is not competent in explosives (explosives). explosive power is called brisance.
      2. Tor5
        Tor5 31 October 2015 10: 28
        +4
        The expediency of creating such a charge (if it is actually created) is highly questionable. By the way, the question is, where do the remaining 90% of the bearer of "power go after the explosion?"
        1. olegkrava
          olegkrava 31 October 2015 20: 50
          0
          It’s just that when you shoot 10% from a projectile’s duplex, 90% of the explosive drops out, and at 100% it’s not horseradish.
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    2. vorobey
      vorobey 31 October 2015 08: 32
      +10
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      A little off topic: why Germany, and not Germany? She was again divided


      Germany’s federal structure (consists of 16 federal states) as in Russia. You calmly react to both Russia and the Russian Federation .. repeat
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 31 October 2015 08: 46
        +5
        Whatever you say, the Germans are talented people .. No matter what they come up with again ..))) And we will have to take Berlin again ... And this is a very difficult and bloody matter! (God forbid!))))
        1. Platonich
          Platonich 31 October 2015 09: 09
          0
          Nothing complicated! Here in Syria, a little work out and go !!!
    3. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 31 October 2015 08: 51
      +1
      "FRG" (Federal Republic of Germany) is their official name, and "Germany" is an abbreviation.
    4. venaya
      venaya 31 October 2015 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      why Germany, not Germany?

      Since the founding of the German Empire in 1871, tell me the period of time when this newly formed state association was called by the mysterious word "Germany". Until now, there is no single state. language and 80 dialects are used in everyday life, and the capital is the former capital of the Prussian Kingdom, Berlin.
    5. BOB044
      BOB044 31 October 2015 09: 32
      +2
      A little off topic: why Germany, and not Germany?
      Learn geography and history.
    6. Bayonet
      Bayonet 31 October 2015 11: 46
      +2
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      A little off topic: why Germany, and not Germany? Is it divided again, or do the West German "ilits" feel superior?

      Oh oh oh !!! How is everything running ... USE is to blame? request
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 October 2015 08: 20
    +13
    I wonder how they avoid the detonation of the remaining parts of the charge? This is not a trivial task. Well, just intrigued, demons!
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 31 October 2015 08: 39
      +13
      Another thing is interesting - why are they doing this? If the b / p is single, but only the power is set, then the rest is not clear which explosive (does not detonate during the explosion) is wasted.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 31 October 2015 08: 55
        +2
        Quote: rotmistr60
        why do they do it


        So this interests me: in the morning the site is filled with all sorts of crap, and we are discussing all this - why are we doing this? laughing
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 31 October 2015 09: 00
        +1
        it is understood that one gun is sufficient, for example 100 caliber, and less can not be released, unification is typical. How justified is the question
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 31 October 2015 09: 26
        +2
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Another thing is interesting - why are they doing this?



        And in addition, something came to my mind: And how much is this crazy creation worth ??? And how many grandmas did it take to create ???

        PS Well this is necessary: ​​set the "power" limiter and slammed into the machine-gun nest ... Set up another limiter - and smashed a whole strong point with pillboxes ... Nonsense ...
        1. deduly1957
          deduly1957 31 October 2015 09: 45
          +1
          They, as always, will come up with something, but how to service all this you need to write a whole novel with a continuation. Like during the war with the "Tiger".
        2. ingener1966
          ingener1966 31 October 2015 10: 25
          0
          You didn’t understand this because of tolerance. lol The conflict will begin and they will blame each other that they say that the slider is put on the wrong power during shelling. wassat This SPSh they introduce restrictions, and then they will follow who fights with whom with what power laughing
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      5. gjv
        gjv 31 October 2015 09: 29
        +10
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Another thing is interesting - why are they doing this?

        Quote: mark1
        Power then changes and the cost remains constant. That is, for mass use, this shell is probably not suitable

        Quote: Zoldat_A
        In my opinion, the interest here is purely sports - to avoid detonation of an unused charge, to see - what will come of it, etc. The practical value is zero and even funny.

        Quote: vorobey
        I don’t understand what it is for ....

        Initiative development. TDW is positioned in the now fashionable topic of ATO in urban conditions. The Germans are trying to prove the advantage and effectiveness of firing from one point with one gun and one type of ammunition for different purposes: a large accumulation of equipment in an area fully occupied by terrorists, we set 100%; a single firing point in an area of ​​economic or cultural value, set 50%; sniper in the city block of dense buildings, set 10%.

        Roughly speaking, they suggest choosing - to destroy a whole house or only one apartment with a shot.
        Quote: dr.star75
        How justified is the question
        request
        1. your1970
          your1970 31 October 2015 22: 40
          0
          for special services and special forces, yes, for the army, no
      6. Sagittarius YaNAO
        Sagittarius YaNAO 31 October 2015 09: 36
        +1
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Another thing is interesting - why are they doing this? If the b / p is single, but only the power is set, then the rest is not clear which explosive (does not detonate during the explosion) is wasted.

        So they must have gathered their IS bombs. Our roads are blocked, and so flew in, recharged and ready laughing
      7. Turkir
        Turkir 31 October 2015 10: 47
        +1
        Yes, more questions than answers.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 31 October 2015 08: 47
      -2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, just intrigued, demons!


      Oh, these British (German) scientists!laughing
      Better than writing all sorts of crap, they taught the ammunition to select targets on the principle of "friend or foe" laughing
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    4. gjv
      gjv 31 October 2015 09: 05
      +8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I wonder how they avoid the detonation of the remaining parts of the charge? This is not a trivial task. Well, just intrigued, demons!

      Under certain conditions, many mixed explosives are capable of moving from convective combustion (deflagration) to detonation. This is facilitated by the high pressure of the process, a large mass of the composition, a strong body, the negative oxygen balance of the composition, and a number of other factors. The presence of transition metal compounds in mixed explosives, on the contrary, increases the tendency to transition detonation into deflagration, which is associated with the catalytic effect of transition metal compounds on the oxidation of the fuel components of the mixture during convective combustion. To prevent the transition of detonation to deflagration, use is made of: additives of individual blasting explosives, increasing the loading density, the use of water-filled explosives, the use of powerful detonators, observing the critical diameter of detonation during charge formation.
      Combustion and detonation. Chemistry and chemical technology in life.

      They gain explosives in sections that are prone to detonation and deflagration, set the appropriate number of fuses, activate a certain amount of firing at the required power before firing.

      Nothing too demonic. Traditional "gloomy German genius".
      1. gjv
        gjv 31 October 2015 09: 54
        0
        "Minus" people "point out" what is. Freight One? Protect yourself! bully
      2. Manul
        Manul 31 October 2015 10: 08
        +3
        Quote: gjv
        They gain explosives in sections that are prone to detonation and deflagration, set the appropriate number of fuses, activate a certain amount of firing at the required power before firing.

        hi good Thanks for the specs! Fantastic responsiveness. Well, the hackneyed. Sorry I can put only one plus drinks
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 31 October 2015 10: 18
          +2
          Put the second "+". I wanted to write myself, they were already ahead. As noted above, the overrun of explosives not participating in the detonation, if it is not a binary explosive.
    5. mark2
      mark2 31 October 2015 16: 25
      0
      Well, maybe there is some kind of chemical detonator. that part of the substance that was exposed to the detonator explodes. The rest just shatters into dust and that's it.
  3. mark1
    mark1 31 October 2015 08: 21
    +9
    Power then changes and the cost remains constant. That is, for mass use, this shell is probably not suitable
    1. mark1
      mark1 31 October 2015 08: 31
      0
      I was more inspired by the development of the Pike mini-missile for firing from a grenade launcher, laser-controlled range of over 2 km
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 31 October 2015 08: 52
        +2
        Something similar was invented and used by the Russians in the defense of Port Arthur :: a mortar based on the Mosin rifle (though without a laser), but this munition performed the role of the shrapnel shell.
      2. 2s1122
        2s1122 31 October 2015 10: 29
        0
        With dimensions of 620 by 40mm and TTX "Pike" will be used in a limited way, in anti-terror or special forces. An expensive toy with laser guidance. Also, they will be equipped with adjustable spread of striking elements, but in a limited volume. This is a normal tendency at the moment.
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 31 October 2015 08: 34
      +1
      Quote: mark1
      Power then changes and the cost remains constant. That is, for mass use, this shell is probably not suitable


      I don’t understand what it is for .... just like the Syrian opposition, moderate with selective action .. laughing
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 31 October 2015 08: 38
      +6
      Quote: mark1
      Power then changes and the cost remains constant. That is, for mass use, this shell is probably not suitable
      I read two comments and only in the third I saw the main thing - here it is! Centuries and millennia of work were carried out in the direction of increasing power and "power", and now suddenly the Germans have come up with a bomb that does not explode (well, or hardly explodes). In my opinion, the interest here is purely sporting - to avoid detonation of an unused charge, to see what will come of it in general, etc. Practical value is zero and even funny.
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 31 October 2015 08: 48
        +5
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        The practical value is zero and even funny.



        The main thing is that the yellow ones ...
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 31 October 2015 12: 06
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        The practical value is zero and even funny.

        Only the principle "the whole world in dust"? There are situations when excess power is unnecessary or even harmful. For example, hit a certain object, while not causing damage to another, hi nearby.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 31 October 2015 13: 28
          +5
          Quote: Bayonet
          There are situations when excessive power is not needed or even harmful. For example, hit a specific object, while not inflicting damage to another person nearby.

          There is such an expression - "From a cannon to sparrows." It sounds concrete here. Throwing 20 kg of TNT over 10 kilometers and detonating one of them - this can only be thought of from purely experimental considerations. In addition, if, for example, a UAZ is standing between two tanks with gasoline and it needs to be destroyed, but the gasoline is not, then only the most impassable commander will hit it with a direct fire from a howitzer at 10% power. To accomplish such tasks, there are various types of weapons, various ammunition for them and various tactics for their use.

          In general, the Germans are doing some nonsense from the series "British scientists have established ...". Now let's laugh at "German gunsmiths invented ..."? All the well-deserved fame of Carl Walther GmbH Sportwaffen, Gebrüder Mauser, Sauer & Sohn and others flies into the stump from such "developments" ...
          1. Throw
            Throw 31 October 2015 17: 36
            0
            In general, it is called "swing for a ruble, a blow for a penny" laughing

            Perhaps a decrease in power will be in demand for controlled / corrected PSUs, when 2-3 needs to be carefully picked up with two shots.

            But for conventional cannon artillery, which does not work single on point, but with volleys of batteries over the entire "face of the face" - this is meaningless. It should be moderate - one volley, full - five or more volleys at MRSI.
    4. veksha50
      veksha50 31 October 2015 09: 27
      +3
      Quote: mark1
      The power then changes and the cost remains constant



      !!!

      Look at the root, my friend ...
      1. Manul
        Manul 31 October 2015 10: 15
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        Quote: mark1
        The power then changes and the cost remains constant



        !!!

        Look at the root, my friend ...

        laughing But no! Such a projectile is more expensive than the usual one, which means "we change the power and increase the cost."
        As a result, an increase in the military budget. And during the fighting, the amount will become simply astronomical, given the fact that these missiles and such mines want.
  4. kimyth1
    kimyth1 31 October 2015 08: 22
    +2
    some kind of fairy tales !!! how can you explode only 100 of 10 kg of explosives ??? fool
    1. Barboskin
      Barboskin 31 October 2015 08: 27
      +4
      The thing is different how
      Such versatility will allow in the future to have only one weapon for any type of combat missions instead of a whole "train" of bulky artillery, "the resource notes.
      It turns out that you can rivet 152 mm shells and use them as 75 mm, or even as 57 mm and is it convenient ?! Is there enough money?
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 31 October 2015 08: 49
        +3
        Yes, it’s just that their soldiers now went weak, they didn’t have enough grenades to throw a grenade, so they would scatter 152 kilogram grenades from 25 mm holes with a damaging effect like RGD5. laughing
    2. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 31 October 2015 20: 38
      +1
      Or 100% for partners, or 0% for friends! No gaps!
  5. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 31 October 2015 08: 30
    +16
    Well, there are a lot of analogies .... what Sometimes you strain harder - harder and "bahn" laughing
    But, in my opinion, questions arise about the cost of such a supply. If the target does not require a lot of killing for destruction, then spend a relatively expensive toy on it ... Ahhhhh !!! I realized - if you fight with enemies (friends), as America is fighting ISIS, then such a thing is a drop dead! You say that I’m fighting the adversary, you’ll show what your bombshell is, you drop it on the enemy’s camera, it’s kind of falling ... BUT you turned the pimp to the minimum and it practically does no harm laughing Ah da naughty, oh yeah tricks wassat
    laughing
    But does it really make sense to produce a big thing at a cost for an inadequate purpose? what request
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 31 October 2015 08: 54
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well, there are a lot of analogies .... what Sometimes you strain harder - harder and "bahn" laughing


      This fact is well described in the film "Company 9" by a sapper captain (performed by A. Lykov).
    2. Manul
      Manul 31 October 2015 10: 34
      +3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      I realized - if you fight with enemies (friends), as America is fighting ISIS, then such a thing is a drop dead! You say that I’m fighting the adversary, you’ll show what bombshell you have, you drop it on the enemy’s camera, it’s kind of falling ... BUT you turned the little girl up to the minimum and it practically doesn’t do any harm

      laughing Have fun in the morning! Your version is just super!good Good mood for the whole day.
  6. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 31 October 2015 08: 30
    +5
    Most likely the binary component of the explosive. Dosing one of the components can achieve this result.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 31 October 2015 08: 41
      +3
      Quote: TBM - 75
      Most likely the binary component of the explosive. Dosing one of the components can achieve this result.

      The thickness of the walls of the projectile (from which the fragmentation field is created) is also dosed before loading? And then what kind of unjustified consumption of metal is obtained?
      1. 2s1122
        2s1122 31 October 2015 10: 35
        +1
        the shell of the shell can be made even of more fragile material, as in mortar mines, and the degree of dispersion of the fragments will depend on the power of the explosion.
  7. isker
    isker 31 October 2015 08: 33
    +4
    "Power"? - Promt - great and terrible?
    Himself not ashamed to distort the language of Pushkin and Gogol?
    1. domokl
      domokl 31 October 2015 08: 51
      +6
      Pushkin's language is great because it is alive ... I remember how I once explained to my son a line from "Eugene Onegin" - Stomach is our faithful Breguet ... The son ended up saying that Pushkin was silly. It is necessary to write clearly. Not a Breget, but a watch ...
      So claims are not accepted. A lot of words have changed their true face since then ... Even the colors ... Previously, blue was a beautiful color. And now not a very normal person laughing
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 31 October 2015 09: 55
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Pushkin's language is great because it is alive ... I remember how I once explained to my son a line from "Eugene Onegin" - Stomach is our faithful Breguet ... The son ended up saying that Pushkin was silly. It is necessary to write clearly. Not a Breget, but a watch ...
        So claims are not accepted. A lot of words have changed their true face since then ... Even the colors ... Previously, blue was a beautiful color. And now not a very normal person laughing

        "You are at war" with your son and this is great With respect to you! Now it is difficult for them to explain something smart and daring "youths" .. thanks to the Internet)))) But you need to protect their souls, without nerves and screams all the same (they can close and then .... "And our names will be written on the wreckage of autocracy .." hi
  8. Windy
    Windy 31 October 2015 08: 36
    +5
    The idea itself is delusional, both from an economic and a technical point of view. Expensive and sophisticated ammunition for all occasions. This is utopia.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 31 October 2015 12: 13
      +1
      Quote: Windy
      The idea itself is delusional, both from an economic and a technical point of view.

      Well, yes, the Germans are suckers? Where they think of this. And in general, before you do something, you should definitely consult with specialists from VO. wassat
  9. Riv
    Riv 31 October 2015 08: 36
    +1
    Some kind of scales. It’s the same as making a machine gun from a sniper rifle. Technically solvable, but why make a high-precision projectile with weakened power?
    And what is it that exploded on the starting photo? It doesn’t look like a mine or a shell. The smoke came from somewhere ... It seems that they threw a grenade into a barrel with the remains of gasoline.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 31 October 2015 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: Riv

      And what is it that exploded on the starting photo? It doesn’t look like a mine or a shell. The smoke came from somewhere ... It seems that they threw a grenade into a barrel with the remains of gasoline.

      if my memory serves me - I had previously met STE photos on the vastness of the tyrnet - illustrated a thermobaric explosion - a shot from "Bumblebee", it seems ...
  10. domokl
    domokl 31 October 2015 08: 40
    +1
    Dared ... The point of making a powerful ammunition weak? Dragging an 152 mm gun is not particularly impressive. Yes, and this money is serious ... As I understand it, thinking is the other way around. Soon there will be non-lethal shells. laughing Discs. Whoever flew into his head, that’s kaput ... The rest, it seems, will not suffer .. Humanism is called laughing
    1. demo
      demo 31 October 2015 08: 48
      +2
      And if the opposite?
      To drag a 45-ka, but it plows like 152 mm?
      That's more interesting?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 31 October 2015 08: 56
        +2
        Quote: demo
        To drag a 45-ka, but it plows like 152 mm?


        on 10%? well, let 45 plow like 152 ... why changeable power ...
  11. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 31 October 2015 08: 44
    +17
    In Germany created ammunition with variable power
  12. Junior, I
    Junior, I 31 October 2015 08: 45
    +3
    It is economically unprofitable to put 100% of the charge for using it in 10%. Yes, and it takes seconds to change the power of the charge. Something they are too clever again.
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 31 October 2015 10: 46
      +2
      I thought, what if the charge can be gained as in a reduced charge in the artillery (extra gunpowder is taken out of the sleeve) .Although it is possible to break the center of gravity
  13. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 31 October 2015 08: 49
    +1
    The greater the power, the better. Why lower it? request
    It seems to me that the Teutons simply decided to cut down a couple of billions of evergreens ...
  14. guznorodov
    guznorodov 31 October 2015 08: 54
    +3
    one more unnecessary thing, money laundered and all is well
  15. Sergey333
    Sergey333 31 October 2015 09: 09
    +2
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    I wonder how they avoid the detonation of the remaining parts of the charge? This is not a trivial task. Well, just intrigued, demons!

    Two-component explosive, one of the components is liquid or gaseous
  16. PiP
    PiP 31 October 2015 09: 13
    +1
    In physics, something new discovered? Mass, power, power ... and now power wassat
    1. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 31 October 2015 10: 24
      +5
      Mass, power, power ... and now power

      I didn’t want to give you a "-" respected PiP, but if you study the relevant literature:
      The power of ammunition
      an indicator of the effectiveness of its action on the target. For example, the power of HE shells is determined by the area of ​​the destruction zone; armor-piercing - the thickness of penetrated armor at a given angle of meeting; fragmentation - the area of ​​the reduced area of ​​fragmentation damage, determined by the number, mass and speed of expansion of the fragments; for all shells - the probability of hitting the target.
      Glossary of military terms. - M .: Military Publishing. Comp. A. M. Plekhov, S. G. Shapkin .. 1988.

      Somehow this definition has already been given hi
      1. PiP
        PiP 31 October 2015 11: 39
        +2
        So I never mind cons if they are reasoned wink Thanks for the clarification. It would NOT be bad if the admins inserted such explanations into the text - "in order to avoid so to speak" (c) hi But all the same, I'll turn on the "D" switch. The nature of this "power" lies in physics,
        indicator of the effectiveness of its action on the target
        ... For me, this "magnitude" (power) is not clear. Those. I can equate this "power" with the destructive ability?
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 31 October 2015 19: 37
          0
          Striking ability is not quite power. The power of the projectile’s effect on the target, ceteris paribus, usually depends on the properties of the explosive and its mass. For high-explosive ammunition, the explosive power and its mass determine its effect on the target (high-explosive bomb FAB-250) - pure power. In ammunition of a different type, the mass of the explosive charge is determined by other requirements (for example, a cumulative grenade, a MON-50 mine with ready-made striking elements). In fragmentation munitions with a cast-iron shell (mortar mine, F-1 grenade), the use of powerful explosives is impractical, since many fragments are formed that do not have the necessary destructive ability.
          If interested, read the book "Course of Artillery" Vol. 1 and 2, ed. Blinov M. 1944 and "Means and ammunition" Textbook 2008 MSTU im. Bauman.
          Regards FIREMAN hi And it’s never too late to learn and improve knowledge!
          1. PiP
            PiP 31 October 2015 20: 10
            0
            Quote: FIREMAN
            Striking ability is not quite power. The power of the projectile’s effect on the target, ceteris paribus, usually depends on the properties of the explosive and its mass.
            ...
            impractical, since many fragments are formed that do not have the necessary destructive ability.
            If interested, read the book "Artillery Course" v.1 ed. Blinov M. 1944 and "Means and ammunition" Textbook 2008 MSTU im. Bauman.
            Regards FIREMAN hi And it’s never too late to learn and improve knowledge!

            hi Thank. In tyrnet identity nadybal info:
            Fragmentation is characterized by three indicators:
            kinetic energy of a fragment (penetrating ability or power each fragment upon impact or interaction with a target, an obstacle);

            V.M. Pleskachevsky introduces a classification of items related to individual explosive weapons. In the proposed classification, without an in-depth structural analysis of structural features, WUs of high and low damage are distinguished. In our opinion, the author does not make a difference between the power of the VU and the level of its striking ability. High (low) striking ability characterizes the effectiveness of the WU or ammunition relative to its action on the target. For example, obtaining a minimum charge mass due to the design features of the VU for breaking through barriers of a given thickness and strength. WU power implies it power relative to the size of the area or volume of destruction (damage)
            This is cyclical ...
  17. todaygoodday
    todaygoodday 31 October 2015 09: 15
    +2
    Quote: Ajent Cho
    A little off topic: why Germany, and not Germany? Is it divided again, or do the West German "ilits" feel superior? However, if this is such a throw-in of the author, then it is worse for him.

    The name is correct. The unification of Germany occurred by the inclusion of the GDR in Germany. Everything is logical.
  18. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 31 October 2015 09: 28
    +3
    Your will, comrades, but it seems to me that pampering all this. When kneading begins and people begin to kill each other in an adult for stripes on a uniform of a different color, no one reduces the power of ammunition. There is only one desire - more powerful, stronger, to blow to smithereens and kill all the reptiles! Therefore, from a theoretical point of view, it is interesting of course, perhaps it is applicable for some local operations, but nothing more.
  19. BOB044
    BOB044 31 October 2015 09: 40
    +2
    It turns out that a bunch will fly into one object, and in another bang. So, it’s complicated. recourse
    1. vitaliy.rnd
      vitaliy.rnd 31 October 2015 09: 54
      +2
      Well, this is as usual. In the Taliban - a bunch, in the hospital - bang-bang.
  20. vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 31 October 2015 09: 52
    0
    "The Power of Ammunition"!
    It remains to introduce the term "exclusivity of ammunition" into circulation.
  21. Averias
    Averias 31 October 2015 10: 01
    +4
    From the point of view of the specifics of combat operations (well, there is a targeted strike, to get through the window, "to zhahnut stand alone without touching the herd") is probably convenient. But that's what confused me, because the ammunition itself was initially 100% power, and only then you can turn it to a smaller one, right? And if so, then the production and cost of this ammunition will be as much as 100%. Plus, the price increase due to the "cunning" fuse. I was also interested in the question of the detonation of the rest of the charge. On a vskidku, it turns out that there will be a 2-component mixture inside? As in a movie, the two vessels mixed and burst out. But the main thing here is the initial 100% power of the ammunition. It turns out that it jumped at 20% of the power, the rest to the "wind"? It’s over the top, and only with German pragmatism.
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    2. gjv
      gjv 31 October 2015 10: 30
      +3
      Quote: Averias
      It turns out that it jumped at 20% of the power, the rest to the "wind"? It’s over the top, and only with German pragmatism.

      Here the Germans propose to pragmatically calculate costs and comparable damage. They are positioning ammunition of regulated explosion power as an effective means of fighting terrorists while minimizing damage to the "environment" (urban and industrial infrastructure, civilians, etc.).
      The question is - how much will all this be really effective in combat conditions? Will they be able to count and compare? Is the intelligence data reliable? request
      Py.Sy. Once I got to the dental clinic, got into a chair and the doctor and assistant sat down close to the chair. Both gloves are pulled. Well, that’s it, I think, the arctic fox, has gotten into four hands, all the teeth are pulled out. It was not there. The assistant grabbed the calculator, not the tool. The doctor will do something, and the assistant on the calculator is pecking like crazy, pumping babos from my wallet for every napkin, eyedropper and all-all-all ... Everything was torn out of the wallet. And another 100 rubles should remain! bully The more I go to that clinic ...
  22. Erg
    Erg 31 October 2015 10: 03
    +3
    I will continue the "genius of thought" of the developers. Let them install their know-how on intercontinental missiles. An obvious plus is that different charges can be launched from the same installations. There is no need to spend money on the production of small aircraft and ammunition for them wassat
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    2. gjv
      gjv 31 October 2015 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: Erg
      I will continue the "genius of thought" of the developers. Let them install their know-how on intercontinental missiles

      fellow Technologies for changing the power of a nuclear charge exist since the early 1960s. Launched production warheads with the option of detonation include the B61 family of bombs, as well as B83 (the main type of US bombs), W80 and W84 (mounted on cruise missiles, including the Tomahawk), W85 (installed on Pershing II air defense missile system, currently approx. 120 units mounted on B61 bombs), WE177A (UK production). The ASMP-A aviation tactical missile, deployed on Rafale F3 aircraft, has a TN81 100-300 kt warhead (France).
      In the USSR, nuclear charges of variable explosive power were also developed and tested.
      Are they in service in the Russian Federation -? request
  23. Earnest
    Earnest 31 October 2015 10: 18
    +4
    Quote: oleg-gr
    And why ammunition needs different power options? It doesn’t matter that in Belaz a bag of cargo is taken from a quarry, not a full body.

    It is especially pleasing that the phlegmatization of explosives in ammunition does not entail a simultaneous reduction in cost. Can you imagine how to shoot with the power of the 982-mm projectile "Bushmaster" with a sort of analogue of the M150 Excalibur for 25 kilo-bucks?
    Quote: PiP
    In physics, something new discovered? Mass, power, power ... and now power wassat

    This is a standard professional term for ammunition warheads, primarily artillery shells. I quote an example: "Shot 3VBM-17 (index of the projectile 3BM-42; index of the projectile with a propelling charge 3BM-44) (p / in 1986) was developed within the framework of the R&D theme" Mango ", opened in 1983. defeat of modern multilayer armored barriers. "
    I often met in the literature of Rosoboronexport in the description of Soviet / Russian BOPS as "a projectile of increased power."
    1. PiP
      PiP 31 October 2015 18: 01
      +2
      Quote: Earnest

      Quote: PiP
      In physics, something new discovered? Mass, power, power ... and now power wassat

      This is a standard professional term referring to warheads of ammunition, in ...
      Soviet / Russian BOPS as a "high-power projectile".

      I wrote a little higher
      For me, this "magnitude" (power) is not clear. Those. I can equate this "power" with the destructive ability?
      I have not come across in my life such a definition as "power" (after reading about it, I thought about it), it seems that all the parameters in its definition speak of the EFFICIENCY of the destructive ability ... In this case, these words are synonymous. This means that we learned "from different books" (c) hi
  24. gg.na
    gg.na 31 October 2015 10: 29
    0
    Such versatility will allow in the future to have only one weapon for any type of combat missions instead of a whole "train" of bulky artillery "
    Well, if this instrument is covered, then all of these shells or ammunition with changing power will be thrown by hand ?! wassat Or from a slingshot lol !!!
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 31 October 2015 10: 44
    +2
    Quote: oleg-gr
    And why ammunition needs different power options?

    In order not to shoot a sparrow from a cannon hi
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 31 October 2015 18: 52
      +1
      On sparrows, however, it is easier to shoot from a slingshot ... IMHO hi
  26. Stoler
    Stoler 31 October 2015 11: 28
    +2
    Not understood? request Now dropping the "five hundred" she can not only "tear to shreds!" but just "scare to usher !!!" ???? laughing laughing laughing
  27. Wolka
    Wolka 31 October 2015 16: 42
    +1
    as Stanislavksky would say: "I don't believe ..."
  28. Prisoner
    Prisoner 31 October 2015 17: 25
    +1
    One must be very wasteful in order to do this. Fuganul by 10%, and 90 where? To the landfill? what
  29. yuriy55
    yuriy55 31 October 2015 18: 49
    +1
    I liked the positive humor of the article. And also:
    Details of the test are not reported in order to maintain secrecy.


    After creating ammunition with variable power in turn, the creation of cartridges with adaptable penetrability, as well as airplanes with modifiable agility, tanks with convertible all-terrain vehicles, ships with invertible immutability and missiles with transformable imperceptibility ... laughing
  30. Victor-M
    Victor-M 31 October 2015 20: 29
    +1
    German developers from TDW created and already tested fundamentally new technology for changing the power of ammunition, reports the Russian newspaper with reference to the resource Defense Aerospace.

    laughing laughing laughing
  31. Vladimir65
    Vladimir65 1 November 2015 07: 47
    0
    What they won’t do to please the Americans. Now, moderate terrorists in Syria can be eliminated using moderate charges with a capacity of 10%, and real (frostbitten) charges of 100%. And the sheep are safe and the wolves are full.