Russia's non-combat losses are divorced and orphans




Casualties in any armed confrontation are inevitable. Moreover, it was precisely the desire to inflict damage on the enemy in manpower that guided all sides of past wars, including two world wars. And this is what the participants in contemporary local conflicts are striving for. That is, any war, regardless of the causes and objectives involves death.

That is why, when I read the recent decree of the President of Russia on classifying the losses of the Ministry of Defense personnel in peacetime (from 28.05.2015), I was perplexed. But not the decision of the authorities from now on and forevermore to hush up the feats, the glorious dates and the names of the heroes who put their lives on the altar of the Fatherland, caused controversial feelings. It just became clear that the dismantling of the volunteer army in the south-east of Ukraine, judging by the intensity and nature of lawmaking in the military sphere, is not the last armed conflict involving our guys. And then the events in Syria arrived.

FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE


I will leave the consideration of purely military issues to army ranks, although he himself professionally engaged in them after graduating from the military school and, again, the military academy for nearly 40 years. Moreover, the Supreme Court of 13 of August confirmed the legitimacy of the ban on the disclosure of some impartial figures for a man in general's uniform. But by virtue of my personal participation in hostilities, I can say that to speak only about the fallen and wounded on the battlefield means to hush up misfortunes and their consequences.

Russia's active, let’s say, foreign policy undoubtedly hides the protest mood, which shook the government in other countries at the time of the global crisis and falling oil prices. But nowhere are there such obvious demographic problems associated with intensive efforts to protect national interests. No one takes into account that in connection with operations “for peace enforcement”, “restoration historical justice ”,“ rendering assistance to the fraternal people ”Russia suffers even indirect, but no less deadly for the people.

I know this not from books, I myself visited seven hot spots. But I refer to the book. Vasily Shukshin has a kind, like all our prose, story "Exam". The work on the scale of its own trifling, but containing the revelation of the Russian man, in fact, great. Here it is: “Our country is fighting a lot. It is difficult to fight. It is almost always the people's war and the people's grief. And even the one who does not take direct part in the war still lives with the same feelings and concerns that people live with ... ”

IMPACT ON SOCIETY CELL


According to official statistics, in Russia today more than half of young families fall apart, whereas 10 years ago - only (?) One third. Civil marriages, or rather cohabitation without obligation and responsibility for each other, become the rule, not the exception. The birth rate decreases, the population decreases and the purity of thoughts decreases. Causes are called infidelity, cooling feelings. Do you really believe that?

The share of my generation of officers of the Airborne Forces had a lot of tests. It is no coincidence that it so naturally and honestly inherited from the fathers of front-line soldiers military traditions, a code of honor, even the rule to commemorate the fallen at every table. But if the third toast is from there, from the past, then the fourth is for the living, with the saying “God forbid we no longer meet in the war” - generated not by one fight, not one war, namely, a series of military campaigns, usually with the same performers. And the end of this series is not visible yet. Washington’s hand, of course, is obvious, but not about the guilty, let me remind you, this is a question.

So, I'm talking about orphans, broken families, faithful husbands and, as a result, unintelligent children. How legitimate and justified my anxiety about this is to judge the reader. I will not recall my ex-wife, tormented by the expectation of me from "missions to the war", if only because she is alive and let her century last. But my friends, the major 5 of the motorized rifle division from Shindant Michael Sklyar and the guard major from Marneuli fighter-bomber regiment Andrei Maslyukov, “behind the river” blew the hearts of their condemned literally. What category of losses include the widowhood of soldiers-internationalists, order bearers, just Russian men?

Behind particular cases a bitter picture is drawn all over Russia. In the south of Moscow in 1993, the lieutenant colonel Mikhail Likhodei abandoned his wife after being seriously injured achieved the construction of an apartment building for his soldiers - veterans of the Afghan war. I was at those celebrations on Orekhovy Proyezd on the occasion of the delivery of warrants to new settlers with the participation of the first President of Russia, Yeltsin. Sunny day, blue sky, sea of ​​scarlet roses, smiles of newlyweds ... Boris Nikolayevich would know then that after 10 years, every tenth of his godchildren would die from wounds and vodka, and more than 70% of young families would exchange this housing for the jointly ... jointly received in total use of the property.

However, that is me all about Afghanistan! I recently visited Kostroma, met with my twin cities now through Chechen campaigns. And he raised a glass of tea along with the commanders of the local riot police and SOBR, police colonels Nikolai Galkin and Pavel Babchuk for their fighters, each of whom has almost 20 (!!!) business trips to hot spots. At the parade shows dazzled in the eyes of the brilliance of orders and medals. And the problem is the same as that of my soldiers from the Afghan past. Only the 70-percentage threshold in the loss of families, the guys are now crossing over 3 – 4 of the year after the start of their combat biography ...

For all the time since the creation of the riot police, which is about 15 years, only three have abandoned the planned departure to the hot spots. The team accepted their references to their wives and children with understanding, no one reproached this trio by the fact that instead of them others would be forced to go to war. But even in the patrol for the Day of the city there was no one who wanted to intercede with those who refused. And they were forced to resign altogether from the internal affairs bodies, because the sentence of former friends is indeed final. Also because Igor Kul and Sasha Pogodaev once served in this detachment, lieutenant and major who folded their bright heads in the Chechen war.

However, in families, those who refused were given the resignation. When one of the wives found out about a faint-hearted spouse, she filed for divorce, her sons do not speak to the other, and the third started to drink black ... And I was not surprised at such a sad result, judging by justice, the result. Tea, we live in Russia and we are escorted into battle in Russian Russian women.

CHILDREN OF WAR


I want to be understood correctly. I recollect those who changed their duties only in order to show that those who remained loyal to the oath also had a choice. This is not a matter of raising the status of the person you are writing about, by humiliating others in the common cause of protecting the interests of Russia. That is why I will say the main thing: the Kostroma guys are so strong that they are the same as everyone, like all Russian soldiers of the first throw. That's what's great!

But live in their incomplete 30 years of war veterans. Both the former wives, or the new girlfriends, who also do not risk tying up their fate with the people doomed to the war, run up to them with empty flowers. Children from war-torn families with living parents grow up as orphans. And the last, it seems to me, the most important victims. For nothing and no one is to blame, is it not true?

I gathered the guys after school. They know how hard it is for their moms to grow up alone. They know that the popes can “go to war” again at any moment. And the amount of alimony, benefits for the fact of possible death is also known to them. Only about the exploits of their fathers, no one told them, especially about the exploits of the dead. Prohibited? And I told ...

I carefully read reports on the course of the last exercises of the troops of the Central Military District. The fighters oppose saboteurs and ambushes in a mine war on the march, offering civilians in two languages ​​to stop resistance. That is, they are preparing to beat the enemy on foreign territory. If this is not aggression, but peace enforcement, then fine. But wouldn't it be better to start with defensive combat training?

... My younger son Roman became disabled after the first terrorist attack in the capital. The senior lieutenant’s formation took place in Chechnya, returned with the medal “For Courage”. Later he visited another troubled republic, then another ... A year ago, Timofey received another military rank ahead of schedule - a major, but for what this honor, he hasn’t said so far. Maybe something shameful made him do it? I do not know, and the conversation is not about that. Just then, a year ago, the magistrate was considering a lawsuit for the dissolution of his marriage to the beautiful Natasha. I bought a bicycle for Mariach's granddaughter.

The process of divorcing families and the population in Russia is simplified. Therefore, I was not surprised when my sister was invited to move with her son from a dying virgin state farm in northern Kazakhstan, to Moscow to accept Russian citizenship, without a second thought:

- For a long time, many would have left for Russia. But you have war after war there, and they expect, probably, men of military age. And what if, God forbid, will they start bombing you too? ..

No, no one will understand what happiness it is to die for the Motherland!

MORE THAN IN THE DOMESTIC


And finally - these are the sad facts. Due to the collapse of families, primarily civilians, 200 – 220 children become daily orphans every year in Russia! From the words of our “Chief Ombudsman” Pavel Astakhov, almost 700 thousand children are currently in boarding schools, orphanages, orphanages - this is one in five children in the country. That is, the sum is at least twice as large as after the Great Patriotic War. And this is without taking into account the fact that every 50 child in Russia is a homeless child. That's how many girls and boys we have, who even have no one to write and complain about during Christmas.

Summing up this unfortunate official statistics, I will say that from many other sources an even more terrible figure emerges: in Russia today there are up to 5 – 7 million street children. Nine out of ten - the so-called social orphans, do not go to school 3 million children, about 5 million live on the street. And here are some more killer figures: in post-Soviet Russia, infant mortality from drugs has increased by a factor of 48.
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  1. Rigla 1 November 2015 14: 55 New
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    Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem. But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark, then there will be strong large families.
    1. Yeraz 1 November 2015 14: 59 New
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      Quote: Rigla
      Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem. But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark, then there will be strong large families.

      I totally agree.
      1. Baikonur 1 November 2015 15: 06 New
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        I will join! Women are a home, built by a husband, should equip, comfort, love, give birth, cherish, educate! Waiting for a husband from work (booty!), Housekeeping.
        No, of course, in this world, women can work for the good of the family. Building, helping her husband, but not to the detriment of the good of family life! Not for wealth and diamonds! And for the sake of another, high!
        And these "businesswoman" are not women!
        1. vorobey 1 November 2015 15: 13 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          I will join! Women are a home, built by a husband, should equip, comfort, love, give birth, cherish, educate! Waiting for a husband from work (booty!).
          And these "businesswoman" are not women!


          and you tried to earn money on the hearth? these roots stretch from 90 ... when the whole system collapsed ... and the conflicts began to turn after another ... and there was zero return from the state ..

          yes it’s not just about women .. men broke down and women like draft horses pulled everything on themselves .. and now they have taught and profound their daughters how and what ..
          1. JACTUS RECTUS 1 November 2015 16: 00 New
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            I don’t know what their mothers are teaching there, but it’s extremely difficult to find a worthy girl. Mercantile interests prevail, and not just prosperity, but chic life like in beautiful American films is the priority for them now. Prizdnost in life, lack of chastity, is also a gigantic problem, when you imagine life with such a girl, then by not complicated logical fabrications, you come to the conclusion that horns will be an obligatory bonus for getting married, especially since I have a specific job, I’m not at home for several months. It’s harder to find gifted people than a needle in haystack, there’s nothing to talk about, interests are infantile, in short everything is very sad. Among the female of my age, rampant drinking thrives when they find out that I’m not a drinker, wonder how it is possible and believe that I am “a little bit.” Every second smokes, sometimes it seems that smokers are more than normal. And such "individuals" are now the vast majority.
            I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong and I’m just unlucky, but I see everything just like that. All this despite the fact that I live on Sakhalin, what is happening in the capital, it’s even hard to imagine. I am 26 years old.
            1. Cartman 1 November 2015 16: 25 New
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              Dude, I sympathize with you and believe that everything is that way and finally the 2000s have come to Sakhalin, judging by what you describe. It seems to me that in our center, such views among youngsters, although flourishing, are certainly not the same as in those years, although maybe I am mistaken.
              1. JACTUS RECTUS 1 November 2015 16: 32 New
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                Yes, you’re right, fashion trends come to us with some delay, this is manifested in everything.
                Maybe the problem is in me. But it’s very difficult to find someone among the habals living by the concepts, alcoholics of youngsters, divorces and brooches who hate everyone and everything.
                1. Mahmut 2 November 2015 07: 55 New
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                  Civil marriages, or rather cohabitation ...

                  Here are the figurines. Civil marriage - a marriage concluded under the laws of the civil code, registered in the registry office without a church wedding. And cohabitation, or rather the incident, has nothing to do with civil marriage, because for cohabitation the words civil marriage are stolen words, like a stolen towel, to cover shame with them. As for the lack of fidelity, the problem was not born today. He served in the early 80's. There were 50 people in the division. Only two waited, those who went into the army as a married man and managed to sow their seed. Well, then, how women around the majors swirled like flies around a substance to say too much. The bulk of women for 30 years has made their choice in favor of goats and dancers. And they gave birth to some goats. And now they complain that the men have transferred, they are looking for the extreme.
                  1. cyberhanter 2 November 2015 08: 58 New
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                    And this is a well-established expression among the people, legal incorrect but still understood? :)
                2. figwam 2 November 2015 08: 47 New
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                  . But it is very difficult to find someone among the habals living by the concepts, alcoholics of youngsters, divorced women and brooches who hate everyone and everything.

                  Try searching in libraries, museums, art galleries, etc.
                  1. 97110 2 November 2015 09: 19 New
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                    Quote: figvam
                    Try searching in libraries, museums, art galleries, etc.

                    I’m taking a chance, yes. He returned from Chernobyl, but she did not note my heroism in plugging the hole ... All problems in the family worsened, he returned it to her mother. I didn’t award horns, I’m sure. You can laugh, but - not that person my first. For several years, my son was hid selflessly from his mother-in-law, but at the institute they allowed me to learn. This is the first story, but I cannot say in it that I “found” a former classmate. The second marriage, such as a celebration with a salute, ended quickly. No offense and scandals, sometimes we communicate. Third. Already more than 20 years. Woman with a daughter. I was thrilled, watching how they prepared me for marriage. And I heard important words in her conversation with the mother of the first son-in-law. I, says, I was looking for the father of my daughter, and you (this is a swatch) - for yourself. My daughter was about to give birth, in the documents she wrote down her father's sores. My wife asks her, and when was your father sick? My sores! I turned out to be dearer than my father. A man is looking for a woman. For myself, for children, for family. Believe the experienced grandfather. Look at the nature. Compare the plumage of a drake, a rooster with a duck, a chicken. Look at what is allowed to the dog, and how it behaves, crossed out by the moderator. It was about a female dog. Behave like a real man, in two weeks you will be carefully prepared to be your husband. And wander around the libraries? Who will notice you there? You also need a WOMAN. So that the boor on the road could put in place, you are not calling. And I lived better with my mother-in-law than with your mother-in-law.
                    1. biznaw 2 November 2015 11: 16 New
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                      Quote: 97110
                      A man is looking for a woman. For myself, for children, for family. Believe the experienced grandfather.


                      Unfortunately, the understanding of "life" comes "after" the rake. Young, we are all young, we consider grandfathers and grandmothers as close ancestors, and this is thousands of years old. But for a thousand years, spouses have been choosing their children by their parents and the concept of "love" was in last place.
                      1. 97110 2 November 2015 14: 34 New
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                        Quote: biznaw
                        But for a thousand years, spouses have been choosing their children by their parents and the concept of "love" was in last place

                        It’s difficult to understand there, for the reported thousand years. A pair of meanwhile and smell selected. What parents can smell there. And if the smell causes rejection, then from the last place the concept of “love” will imperceptibly and very quickly move to the first.
              2. I am Russian 1 November 2015 17: 00 New
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                Dude


                Dude from Jewish - castrated ram. repeat
                1. Baikonur 1 November 2015 17: 10 New
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                  Who threw this into your head?
                  And you believed, fidgeted!
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                  1. vignat21 1 November 2015 20: 26 New
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                    Dude - Man Acquired Higher American Culture.
                  2. Homo 1 November 2015 21: 37 New
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                    Quote: Petrovich1952
                    Chuvak is a slang (argotically colored) synonym for the word "guy." Perhaps as an appeal and as a name instead of a name. Applicable to any male. you yourself are neutered.

                    Here is an example of the "charms" of a new life! Half of the country "runs the gun" and be proud of it, or at least considers it the norm. And you are about family values.
                    1. Angro Magno 1 November 2015 23: 57 New
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                      A dude is a person who is involved in criminal activity. Accordingly, dude is a woman who quit prostitution.
                      1. Flexsus 2 November 2015 21: 46 New
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                        Let's arrange a educational program here on a hair dryer. Prison jargon went from Yiddish ... concepts like dude, boy, and much more ... Boy from poz, dude already told. So there is a lot more ... special vocabulary is chipboard in the military school of explosives studied.
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              4. cyberhanter 2 November 2015 08: 57 New
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                Here, in another province, this is also mostly among youngsters.
            2. avia1991 1 November 2015 17: 36 New
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              Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
              Finding a decent girl is now extremely difficult. Mercantile interests prevail, and not just wealth, but a chic life.

              What do you want to say - that young people have gone far from them ??! No way! PROBLEMS THE SAME, the attitude towards others is entirely Americanized: "I am the Chief, EVERYTHING owes me!" And what do they owe him for, if he often doesn’t represent anything from himself? ..
              Problems raised by the author painful, and discussing them is unpleasant - it is much easier to close their eyes to them! We are winning! WE ARE THE COOLEST! And these "minor troubles" - well, we’ll overcome it somehow, along the way! .. The trouble is that to solve any, albeit insignificant, problem, you need to deal with it. But the state has no time to deal with "trifles" - God forbid, he would deal with the basic issues. And the "little things" are accumulating, turning gradually into a huge "snowball"! Ignore which will not work, and you will have to spend much more effort and money on its “cleaning”, than with timely, consistent and focused action ..
              In principle, the issues specifically addressed by the author are, in my opinion, the “cant” of the Moscow Region. And it would not hurt the MO to think about a targeted program to resolve these issues. When the military has a normal family, when the “strong rear” is provided not only with a bed in the garrison dormitory, it also has a different motivation for conscientious service .. hi
              1. JACTUS RECTUS 1 November 2015 18: 04 New
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                I am as old as the girls I wrote about. Among my friends and acquaintances, this problem is not only mine, it can be said a stumbling block, at least in Sakhalin.
                1. avia1991 2 November 2015 04: 17 New
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                  Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                  Among my friends and acquaintances, this problem is not only mine
                  I have no doubt, Alex. Such a problem really exists, and seriously, then I understand you well, and sympathize.
                  But to give advice without knowing the person and his views is an ungrateful occupation - and indeed ungrateful! request The decision should be yours, and only yours - this is the question of responsibility for your life, and your actions. If there is a desire, there will be a solution ..
                  Break down the problem into “components": WHAT Would you like to see your "mate"? Appearance, by the way, is of secondary importance, believe me! Just "princesses" are more likely to cause problems.
                  Articulate your views on family and relationships, in order, first of all, to clearly understand yourself what you want. I understand that you have thought about this more than once, but THOUGHTS and a clear understanding are not the same thing, do you understand what I mean?
                  Think then WHERE meet an IMAGE-like girl, and HOW to draw her attention to myself. Of course, such bars are not found in bars and nightclubs - there, as Zadornov said, "the brain is virgin! Yes, and why is it needed? You can" think "in another place wassat But besides these places, there are also theaters, public libraries, gyms .. treadmills in parks and camp sites .. in each of these places there are extraordinary people, BUT! what Determining the place You yourself should be of some interest to the girl - that is, to have similar hobbies, or, at least, to be "a little bit in the subject."
                  Perhaps all this is not new to you - well, make sure once again that you are acting in the "right direction" wink It is funny and sad that you have to approach the issue of dating as a logical task. But here - alas, nothing can be done: meeting today is a TECHNOLOGY, the consistent implementation of certain steps .. well, PATIENCE, of course - plus the belief that everything will work out! Thought, as you know, is material, and therefore a positive attitude towards life is not a far-fetched condition, but a vital one.
                  Somehow hi These are not tips, just thoughts out loud. Here you were offered to use the Internet - also, by the way, a good option, but not only dating sites: there are forums, blogs on certain topics .. why not try? If you only drive ships and think how sad everything is, everything will be sad ..
                  SUCCESSES!
                2. yastr 3 November 2015 12: 45 New
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                  Yeah, you have to both this and that, you ask the girl what you can give - a “little pussy”)) miserable stupid, often not representing anything.
              2. veksha50 1 November 2015 18: 36 New
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                Quote: avia1991
                In principle, the issues specifically addressed by the author are, in my opinion, the “cant” of the Moscow Region.


                In principle, the author linked the hot topic with the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that is, with the families of warrior people .... But the problem is much wider, this is the problem of society ...

                PS You can’t imagine how much unfortunately worthless work you have to do in order to put into the granddaughter even those of our ideas about family, about a person’s place in society ... However, talking with mom and dragging along different muyar bars is instant everything reduces my efforts to nothing ... And then the same dragonfly will grow up, and will ride on ants, maim their life ...

                But the article touched on a very serious problem, very ... How to solve it, after so many years of devastation in my mind - I can’t even imagine ...
                1. tank64rus 1 November 2015 21: 42 New
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                  If a country is at war, then everyone is at war, because it used to be like that. And if the sons of some burn in tanks, and the sons of others chase fat at night in Moscow and bathe in the champagne. Unconventional Serdyukov and Vasiliev, etc. When a soldier goes to war, he should be calm for the fate of loved ones. When ours fought in Spain in 1936-37, the whole country admired them, and in Afghanistan liberals poured on our soldiers how much dirt and the state washed their hands.
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                  If a country is at war, then everyone is at war, because it used to be like that. And if the sons of some burn in tanks, and the sons of others chase fat at night in Moscow and bathe in the champagne. Unconventional Serdyukov and Vasiliev, etc. When a soldier goes to war, he should be calm for the fate of loved ones. When ours fought in Spain in 1936-37, the whole country admired them, and in Afghanistan liberals poured on our soldiers how much dirt and the state washed their hands.
                3. avia1991 2 November 2015 03: 39 New
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                  Quote: veksha50
                  You can’t imagine how much, unfortunately, useless work has to be done in order to put into the head of the granddaughter even those of our concepts
                  I have no idea, George. hi However, I know that I will try very hard to make it work for me ... especially since the children seem to be able to develop immunity.
                  But in the conditions of a total universal planting of a narcotic craving for a "sweet life", for the consumption of everything and everything, and the absence of obligations, it is extremely difficult to raise a child NORMAL, here you are right.
              3. Russiamoy 1 November 2015 19: 15 New
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                agree. one-sided judgment. watching mummies and daddies picking up children from elementary school: the majority of girls dress themselves, and almost all boys are dressed by their parents, down to their shoes. And adults are scratched 80% look like undeveloped dead people, do nothing and are not fond of except beer and a computer. and they grow up and wait when the wife, instead of her mother, snot wipes are not adapted for anything. and indeed a direct turn from those who want to the army. so they must be scattered with the phrases "we are handsome, but where can we find a decent one?"
                1. Homo 1 November 2015 21: 42 New
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                  Quote: Russiamoya
                  ... they don’t do anything or get carried away except beer and computer.

                  Correct, in most cases, a game on the computer and social networks. Passion for a computer involves studying a computer, programs, repair, maintenance.
              4. pilot67 1 November 2015 19: 18 New
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                I completely agree with you. And also the Stalinist propaganda! Like before the war. We are right, we will win. And it’s all in a row. And then of course everything can turn out. The main thing is to break the Pepsi generation. And I do not mind, but also for introducing again 2 years of service. And it’s kind of dumb for half a year and on vacation, and to serve and get professional skills once. Although he himself served in the construction battalion, was not against business trips. And Baikonur, Plesetsk. Sary-Shagan, Balkhash, etc. For two years he traveled the whole Union. Samle most importantly instill in the youth patriotism for their own, and not for dirol.
              5. Tanysh 2 November 2015 10: 22 New
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                The question is: is the apartment taken on a “military mortgage” the property of a serviceman ONLY or is it signed for a family?
            3. razzhivin 1 November 2015 18: 57 New
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              Maybe you’re looking in the wrong places? ...
              Go to church ...! Yes, not once ...!
              1. JACTUS RECTUS 1 November 2015 20: 19 New
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                I go to church, but not for my beloved.
                1. razzhivin 1 November 2015 21: 47 New
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                  Of course, not for this.! .. But there it’s easier to meet a woman who is adequate to you ... Not in the tavern, yet to look ...
                  1. avia1991 2 November 2015 02: 04 New
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                    But there it’s easier to meet a woman who is adequate to you.
                    Perhaps you are right - but only partially. Today it has become "fashionable" to go to church - that’s the trouble ..
                    1. navigator 2 November 2015 12: 41 New
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                      Quote: avia1991
                      Perhaps you are right - but only partially. Today it has become "fashionable" to go to church - that’s the trouble ..


                      Why is it that someone's fashion is trouble? Or are you doing everything to be unfashionable? Fashion passes, but churches stand.
                      1. avia1991 2 November 2015 19: 39 New
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                        Quote: navigator
                        Or are you doing everything to be unfashionable?

                        What nonsense ?! What are we discussing? The fact that meeting an adequate girl in church is not necessarily real, because it is "fashionable" to go to church now! And the presence of girls there is not a guarantee of adequacy, that's what I mean!
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                        Quote: avia1991
                        What nonsense ?! What are we discussing? The fact that meeting an adequate girl in church is not necessarily real, because it is "fashionable" to go to church now! And the presence of girls there is not a guarantee of adequacy, that's what I mean!


                        Nobody will give guarantees to you anywhere, but there are more chances, that's what I mean!
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                        and more chances, that's what I mean!

                        No more .. Faith and church attendance are not the same thing. In general, I have a negative attitude towards the Church, because I believe - not without reason - that today the Church has been transformed, like many other things, into a tool for extracting superprofits. The church is one of the richest oligarchs in Russia. And among its functionaries (I don’t take the level of the parish priest) there are few people who deserve respect for their sincere Faith and decency.
                        These are not speculations - I personally have enough facts. This does not directly concern the issue under discussion, but I would not advise a guy to get hung up on finding a girlfriend in the "temple of God." It will be better if God is in her heart, and she herself in real life wink
                        Of course, this is my personal look. If you go to church, sincerely pray, and experience a spiritual upsurge from this - this is wonderful, and God grant that it continues to be the same. hi
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                        No more .. Faith and church attendance are not the same thing. In general, I have a negative attitude towards the Church, because I believe - not without reason - that today the Church has been transformed, like many other things, into a tool for extracting superprofits. The church is one of the richest oligarchs in Russia. And among its functionaries (I don’t take the level of the parish priest) there are few people who deserve respect for their sincere Faith and decency. These are not bare speculations - I personally have enough facts. This does not directly concern the issue under discussion, but I would not advise a guy to get hung up on finding a girlfriend in the "temple of God." It will be better if God is in her heart, and she herself in real life. Of course, this is my personal view.


                        You’ve set your personal gaze too much, keep it to yourself. You wrote nonsense, talking about girls who go to church. Moreover, they go to those to whom you have no complaints. And to pour mud on the Church is off-topic. Relate negatively and relate who is against, no one is driving you there, only you need to know the topic you are writing about anyway. And advising a guy you shouldn’t write your negative to me. That's what I mean. And the “facts” are mine do not write, I am not going to argue with you, I have already read so many of them.
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                        do not write "facts" to me,

                        Nobody is going to convert you to their faith, how you live is your business. AND FACTS I have without any quotes - that’s why I don’t write in detail; in this matter everyone should determine their own attitude. Concerning
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                        Too deployed. You set your personal gaze, keep it to yourself.

                        this is not yet deployed, firstly, and secondly - if you do not want to read other people's "personal views", then what are you doing HERE? Just here everyone expresses “personal views” laughing
                        Here with the fact that "off topic", I agree request
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                        this is not yet deployed, firstly, and secondly - if you do not want to read other people's "personal views", then what are you doing HERE? It’s just here that everyone expresses “personal views” Here I agree with the fact that “off topic”


                        What I need is what I’m doing here, I don’t need your advice. You give the guy advice and write it to me for some reason. Doesn’t it seem strange to you? Moreover, I repeat, the advice is off topic. If we were discussing what you move away from the topic, there would be no questions. And so expanded-not expanded, keep your facts to yourself, do not impose them on those to whom they are not interested.
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                        Your advice to me to nothing

                        Do not tell me, by the way, what exactly I personally advised YOU?
                        By the way, I remind you: it's not me who got into your dialogue with someone. If you are not interested in my opinion - why did you start a conversation?
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                        Do not tell me, by the way, what exactly I personally advised YOU? By the way, let me remind you: it wasn’t me who got into your dialogue with someone. If you are not interested in my opinion - why did you start a conversation?


                        Nothing to me. You answer my posts with advice to a guy. I did not get into a conversation, did not advise, I asked a question. Instead of answers I listened to the negative avia1991 to the Church with facts that are uninteresting and do not relate to the topic of conversation.
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    I go to church, but not for my beloved.

    You will be surprised to read school literature. Previously, young people in churches “got acquainted” in the sense of seeing each other for the first time, and then meeting on the threshold.
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    Why put a minus?
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    Maybe you’re looking in the wrong places? ...

    Very accurate remark. Many girls from good families go to church. And you need to look for a woman from a good family, with mom and dad brothers and sisters.
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      Why put a minus?


      Why, they remembered the church with a kind word. There are enough such minusers, do not pay attention to every minus.
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  • captain 1 November 2015 19: 07 New
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    The author raised a problem that cannot be solved by decree and law. Somewhere in our people unpleasant changes in mentality have taken place. I think so. that TV and film played a role. In the talking box and on the tapes of our films, career and money, especially a female career, began to be put at the forefront. Often, ladies who successfully married the husband began to flicker in the programs, in expensive robes, gold, in expensive villas in Monaco. This is naturally reflected in youth. And about the classification of losses in peacetime in the armed forces. I can say that this gives a huge blank check for our opponents. Soon we will learn about the death of "thousands" of our soldiers in Syria, this is a mistake of our leadership.
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    Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
    Mercantile interests prevail, and not just prosperity, but gorgeous life as in beautiful American films

    This also applies to modern “boys”; in many respects, they have not gone far from “girls”. Soon, at such a pace one “middle floor” will be - beautiful, smart and dumb.
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    Alexey, do not despair in any case, not all of them, your half does not go to discotheques and taverns and is more difficult to find, my daughter, as they say, sat at home until the age of 23, and then my parents get married. Now I have been living with my daughter for 3 years at least and they don’t shout but they don’t beat up, they both work, the granddaughter goes to kindergarten, we work so that we live without excesses, but we don’t live too, now the youngest son 21 can also get married at any moment, so you will find your half don't despair In no case. Not on Sakhalin, so on the mainland, my Tatar wife learns to come, but she met me and have been living for almost 28 years now.
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    Mercantileness for a woman is NORMAL. It is inherent in her nature. The female chooses a socially successful male who can feed her and the children. You too choose girls not anyhow, but pretty, i.e. able to give birth to biologically healthy offspring. Another thing is that mercantile spirit has turned into a fetish of consumerism, and the craving for external appeal to unbridledness and prosperity. But women are to blame for this just as much as men. In the end, change the world, starting with yourself. I am sure there are many worthy girls around. Change your requirements for them and they themselves will adapt to them. This is the essence of women.
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    I suppose you consider yourself a beloved very worthy and wonderful? ;)
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      I suppose you consider yourself a beloved

      You yourself do not notice how you behave? The guy openly wrote, and sincerely - and you rush to blame him, IN ADVANCE. By the way, "poking" a stranger, in fact, is not accepted. Therefore, going to someone to make a comment, think about yourself. hi
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        I'll think about myself, thanks. It is touched by the nagging of modern "men" about modern women))) Women have always been depraved and chaste. To smear the majority under women of easy virtue? Well that's cool, I think. Apparently, the author only rubs with such discos in nightclubs, and then whines about how everything around is bad. Let him start with himself, poor thing.
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    I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong and I’m just unlucky, but I see everything just like that. All this despite the fact that I live on Sakhalin, what is happening in the capital, it’s even hard to imagine. I am 26 years old

    I subscribe to every word. I live in Nino ... and believe me if you arrived by public transport and not by car, you are a loser and a worthless representative of the masculine gender. And if, for example, I want to drink on a date, or do I need to pour gasoline expensively and carry myself on all business? ... This is not important neglect and commercialism on the face. I am 36 ... and I started to look for my soul mate ... and what is available from the possibilities - I sweep it in the bud according to the above JACTUS RECTUS
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      And how did you like in the mercantile capitalist world, where the highest value is money? Women are the best fittens. They adapt. Regarding your situation. It's just that for younger women at 36, you simply have to be an established guy. This implies separate housing and a car. The world has changed in the last 30 years. For the worse. And in your case, the ladies must be looked for probably in cultural clubs by interests. Dancing there or something else. There is a percentage of normal people more.
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    But I’m raising my daughter for 24 years, so she can’t find one normal guy, then she’s married to a business trip, then she’s a half-fool. There aren’t normal ones. So, the beauty herself doesn’t smoke, what the boys need. Even at the niece’s wedding, he’d used to shake and look at the girls, none of the single guys pay any attention. reasonable .And they themselves are disgusted to look at. In general, the politics now goes like this, without a family of bezbor.
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    I don’t know what their mothers are teaching there, but finding a decent girl is extremely difficult now.

    He who seeks will find! Do not be discouraged - there are plenty of good girls. You just do not demand from them that which you are not ready to give them yourself ....
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    but finding a decent girl is now extremely difficult. Mercantile interests prevail, and not just prosperity, but a gorgeous life like in beautiful American films, that’s the priority for them now ...

    I am the father of the girl who is the exact opposite of the one you described. She argues on the contrary that the guys are now almost everything mercantile and so on, everything else that you described about girls is the same ... As a result, she is still not married at 32, although she is beautiful and smart, adequate, educated, and working and she’s not afraid of work, at the same time doing the minimum necessary ... There they are these girls, look and find. Not all the girls are like you painted, but on the streets, idly staggering or sitting in bars, you will not meet such.
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    these roots stretch from 90

    These roots stretch from the birth of the era of feminism.
    In short, when women began to work in large numbers, this caused a 2-fold drop in the level of salaries. Not immediately, of course - but this is precisely the trend.
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    vorobey
    <...> yes, it’s not just about women .. men broke and women like draft horses pulled everything on themselves .. and now they have already taught and profound their daughters how and what ..


    I support, but our woman will stop the elephant for a gallop and the trunk will be torn off good, yes we are behind their backs ... oh, but what a camp.
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    These roots stretch even earlier. First, the policy of the Bolsheviks on the equal rights of women, then the difficult war years and life without men. So for 90- our women were already prepared
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    men broke and women like draft horses pulled everything on themselves ..

    And you know, remembering that time .. the women were definitely stronger than the men ..
    And the article is professionally written for an airborne veteran
    According to our “chief ombudsman” Pavel Astakhov,

    Well, this ghoul is stupidly promoted, in places the coast ceasing to see the benefit of the good topic .. (tautology however ..)
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    Women are a home, built by a husband, should equip, comfort, love, give birth, cherish, educate!



    Sorry for the moralizing, but you have to choose a wife according to these criteria, and not marry the first person you slept with. I assure you that most normal women only want this

    love, give birth, cherish, educate!
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    Still, it is necessary to somehow critically approach such articles setting forth such information without confirming any documentary sources. Where did he get such information, sucked from his finger, and even referring to Astakhov did not bother to indicate the place. And anyway, who is Marat Syrtlanov, has anyone heard something about him? On the site where he published the article (by the way in the first person), he is presented as a blogger, without any information about himself and there is not even a photo. All of his articles that happened to read with an anti-Russian darling. The site "Independent Dependent" newspaper with the slogan on the left, "The truth is easy and pleasant to say" apparently immediately attracts readers to write only the truth here. It is registered on a server in Bavaria - Nuremberg - Hetzner Online AG in 2014.10.21. I tried to find any information about him, posing as a colonel of the reserve? In another article for January 19, 2015, it’s more specific, the colonel of the police Why the police colonel of the code has long been the police. ", No. 6 dated February 1992, 6. The war journalist Marat Syrtlanov, who in 17-2004 performed military duty in Afghanistan, was awarded the medals" For Courage "and" For Military Merit ", went on business trips" for war "1981 times during the Chechen campaigns, he was awarded the medal of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 1983nd degree. Now police colonel Marat Syrtlanov heads the press service of the Main Organizational and Inspection Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. Now, apparently, he no longer works in Ministry of Internal Affairs. The latest data. Plenipotentiary Representation of the Republic of Tatarstan in the Russian Federation. Department for interaction with public authorities to ensure the management of the Republic of Tajikistan. Syrtlanov Marat Faridovich. Head department. Address of the representative office. Moscow, 8rd Kotelnichesky per., 2/3 p. 13. It can be seen that this problem has nothing to do with it, only personal impressions.
    Photo.
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    I totally agree.

    What exactly?
    That you always have to be a "man", then your wife will respect no matter what year on the street?
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      Bravo!
      Generally shocked by the first block of comments. They (those who left their “footprint" in this block) are vaguely unconfirmed and obviously provocative, but they talk about "some kind of women like that". Shame on you!
      I am a man, I must first look for my wife, and then love at least as a loved one, then everything will be fine in the family.
      In general, horror, it seems that the vast majority of "female educators" have solid problems with the female sex. Take care of yourself!
      I thought only from women it’s possible to hear such nonsense, they say all men, real men were transferred, etc., but here it turns out from the “men” the same nonsense rushing.
      Come, get together in hobby groups, women in a circle with the name "We are the best men," and you in "Oh, where are THOSE REALLY real women? Oh, we would be for them hoo-hoo!" and admire yourself. And continue to be indignant that in your country, family, your head is a complete discord.
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        I thought only from women it’s possible to hear such nonsense, they say all men, real men were transferred, etc., but here it turns out from the “men” the same nonsense rushing.

        The men are not extinct, but you can leave your “rya-quacking” for your personal circle of friends. Sounding a problem, trying to find a solution, and BRINGING it off, pretending that it is not - are two different things, agree? About
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        unconfirmed and clearly provocative data
        read the statistics, if you can’t imagine what was happening in the military garrisons 10 years ago! I don’t know now, I won’t lie, but by that time the author’s calculations are definitely applicable! So your dismissive go-ahead looks like another rollicking "Yes, I-I-I! .." during a friendly drinking party.
        Is it wrong with you ?! Rejoice! Treasure your happiness. But do not try to trample on someone's REAL PAIN! Not that, you know - and you yourself can ask for it .. DON'T GIVE GOD, OF COURSE.
  • Oper6300 1 November 2015 21: 20 New
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    Until 1917, the nationalities were also not allowed to bark. Then it started ...
  • USSR 1971 1 November 2015 15: 01 New
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    It's just that the female half of society has changed priorities, in the first place dough to earn, then children. Ancestors in Russia did not live like that.
    State support is late, but better now than never.
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      It’s just that the female half of society has changed priorities, in the first place dough to earn,
      That's it! Now from TELVISERS they are looking at them with sugary, “fashionable” bablogrebs, (EXTREMES, their mother) sissies and poorly educated FOODS of looty sons! Their mothers, the same mummies teach, wish them to marry the rich! There is no talk about creating a full-fledged, real family and working for its good, prosperity, development, and strengthening!) UNBEATABLE, B ,,, LIN! And first of all - on TV, which is NOT OUR !!!
      And earlier - a serviceman - a girl’s dream! How strong, confident, morally steady, reliable, HONEST, fair DEFENDER!
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        Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem. But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark, then there will be strong large families.

        Not only women are concerned, men with margarine instead of the brain are also not measured.
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          I say - THIS, THESE - from the current TV! dolchi, their mother - gabans, gibbon! STYLISH and STEEL! That "those" (shameless, brainless), that "these" (With cockerels on the head and gait from the hip!)!
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          men with margarine instead of the brain

          Nothing kills the brain and men like alcohol!
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      This is the secret. The father’s salaries are not enough to feed the family, and therefore the mother has to work - not for wealth and fame - but just to make ends meet. And here a lot of interesting questions are already looming for the economic bloc of the government and personally for the president who appointed them. Toka ... Everyone who has questions for the government is cleanly called liberalists and traitors. Even here.
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        The father’s salaries are not enough to feed the family, and therefore the mother has to work - not for wealth and fame - but just to make ends meet. And here a lot of interesting questions are already looming for the economic bloc of the government and personally for the president who appointed them.


        you don’t have to pile everything up ... in a prosperous west, you have reached same-sex marriages with their economic happiness ... and our grandfathers had seven and eight eight children ... and their families did not break up ...

        I have four of them myself and I know what plowing is from morning to night .. my wife does not work, but everything about the house and she pulls 10 hectares of land ...
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          Personally, I would prefer economic happiness. If old Europe were to get rid of all sorts of perversions - such as same-sex marriages, insane juvenile sex, euthanasia, tolerance, multiculturalism, American domination and deportation of absolutely all migrants - then just an ideal region will come out!
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            Quote: Basarev
            Personally, I would prefer economic happiness. If old Europe were to get rid of all sorts of perversions - such as same-sex marriages, insane juvenile sex, euthanasia, tolerance, multiculturalism, American domination and deportation of absolutely all migrants - then just an ideal region will come out!


            yes you are a romantic gracious sovereign ... laughing
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            it’s just the perfect region to come out!



            Hmm ... It remains only to clear Europe of the population ... completely ...

            PS Look what you wanted ... how much you listed ...
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              So in this way Europe is being cleared.
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          In those years there was no such Western influence. Today we swallowed their culture without chewing. Now make me live today as we lived in the 20-30s. Will not work.
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            Quote: 34 region
            Today we swallowed their culture without chewing. Now make me live today as we lived in the 20-30s. Will not work.


            You know .. I live 30 km from Krasnodar in a small village .. 3000 people are all .. I have three neighbors with three children and three children in the village, as it were, the norm .. you don’t have to force anyone .. you just need to vaccinate children from childhood that family is the only refuge from our crazy world ... only for this, parents still have to come to this themselves .. laughing
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        That's how it turns out that your great-grandfather plowed the land of Pluto and a horse and he had enough money to raise seven children alone. And now you have tractors and combines at your fingertips, and you are calling your wife to work, and do not master the children for more than two. Either we started working shitty, or we want too much, one of two things.
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          ... option number 3: "cut" too well ...
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        It seems to me that a woman working as a doctor, or a teacher at a university, or a researcher will not agree to stay at home, even if her husband earns a lot.
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      Money to earn! And how to live without money? And if you have one two children? And if you rent an apartment? So they live therefore at work. Those who work do not see, but in the bars immediately notice. And how much did you leave for Moscow to earn money? And girls and guys. In my opinion, it will be so in modern life.
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      Ancestors in Russia did not live like that.

      And again, comparing different times on equal terms is not entirely correct.
      Previously, they lived mainly in subsistence farming, a man pulled a plow - a woman weeded the roots weed.
      In general, everyone worked, including from an early age children who had become involved in work.
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    women? and how many men of weaklings run away after the birth of a child? I have all my friends who got married before the age of 30 divorced or broke up after the birth of a child or alcohol. Guilty in all cases, peasants. You don’t need only for women. Here’s my husband’s wife waiting for him home and he’s so proud with a cry - “I have the right to drink with friends” comes drunk? what does she feel and what to say?
    If you started a family, please be kind to forget about the whole world and pay attention to the family. And friends later, but often this is it .... I drink with friends and become a divorce too.

    and immediately minus from the classic husband of the Alconaut .. but not, already two Alconauts put a minus.
    Not the ability to hold on to something and to give in to each other is the whole reason for divorces. And alcohol.
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      I put a plus. We men grow up more slowly than women. And sometimes it happens that we rest against the age threshold - 20-25 years, and then we get older only externally))) The same pontoreza bouncers, who believe that we know everything and are able to do everything, and with the belief in the head that it’s easier without a woman. This often happens if you get married early, immediately from under the mother’s wing, without having lived alone.
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      Tell me where they live, who are waiting for husbands at home, that we have a deficit with those who are waiting. But you will not find girls who do not drink in the afternoon with fire.
      It seems that we live on different planets.
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        Well, if you look for them in clubs and at corporate parties, you definitely will not find them.
        I found a local dating site and the main requirement was precisely the absence of bad habits. For I do not need to start a family with a thundering smoke smoking cigarettes and giving birth to green people. As a result, we live in marriage ... children. We don’t drink, we don’t smoke. I observe with parties like everything around the family fall apart. I guess I'm lucky.
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          So you answered, you are lucky.
          It's a pity not everyone is lucky.
          By the way, going to clubs if you don’t drink is somehow not comme il faut, it is impossible to look soberly at all this bacchanalia, that's why I’m not looking for anyone there.
          There are no corporate parties at my work, a purely male team, I am a skipper.
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            I am a skipper.



            So this is a specific problem ... it has always been with sailors and even rivermen ...
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              Quote: JACTUS RECTUS I am a skipper. So this is a specific problem ... at all times it was with sailors and even rivermen ...


              There is such a problem, right, but is it only for the sailors? I’ve retreated for 26 years, I know those who have fled and not once, and those who live their whole lives normally. what he seeks and what he deserves.
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            Another tip for the skipper - look where you are in addition to work ... You are not in charge of the business ... You either haven’t met her yet or didn’t notice / see ...
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          You can still search among the faithful ... But in taverns and at revels, drinkers and faithful, it’s hard to find ...
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            Now I’ll probably make everyone laugh, but once I advised one friend - if you want to find a groom - go to where there are a lot of them. Go to the stadium, learn to play billiards, buy a dog and walk, where all the dog lovers are gathered together. No, I went to oriental dances, where some girls. And to look for a bride - maybe in an embroidery club, in a literary club? Or, again, lovers of cats, dog lovers (girls are also there often). Enthusiastic people are not up to stupid things. And do not neglect the familiar aunts, they know for sure in which family a good girl.
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              Great advice - getting to know someone's recommendation!
              In the worst case, just go to the movies ...
      2. veksha50 1 November 2015 18: 46 New
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        And you will not find girls who do not drink during the day with fire.
        It seems that we live on different planets.



        Um ... non-drinkers, non-smokers and in Soviet times did not hang around the streets-dances-bars-cafes ...

        Maybe not looking there ???

        There are normal girls, there are ... only very few of them ...
      3. razzhivin 1 November 2015 21: 51 New
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        It’s just that each person has his own environment ... It is connected with the type of activity, relatives, neighbors, etc. This environment does not always suit you - marry him ...
        + people are the same everywhere (where he was a lot), but not in any situation they can be considered ...
    3. Alexl 1 November 2015 16: 54 New
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      Women should know who they marry and from whom they have children.
    4. I am Russian 1 November 2015 17: 07 New
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      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      Not the ability to hold on to something and to give in to each other is the whole reason for divorces. And alcohol.


      The reason for most divorces lies in selfishness.
      Women - want to get married, but not become a wife.
      And men should become men. And then introduced the concept of "Casanova", etc.
      1. razzhivin 1 November 2015 19: 42 New
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        That's right ... For everyone who did not have patience and did not raise / raise children, I recall the bike:

        "in one tribe of old people (whatever to feed") they drove to the forest and left there ... One such one - the grandfather takes the cart to the forest, and his son followed him ... When they reached the place, the grandfather left on the cart .. And the small father says: “then take the cart back” ... Father asks: “why?” ... And the small one answers
        : "I'll take you soon ..."

        In that story, the grandfather’s father brought back ... And our "women / men" state will begin to scold that there is little pension, etc. pays ... !!
    5. zadorin1974 1 November 2015 17: 56 New
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      The article is one-sided. In some ways, the author is right, I also do not agree that non-military losses are classified as secret. We get the opportunity to fake fathers generals.
      Now about the comments posted above. Anton, it turns out that your wife was a jashugal at home, what do you want to put her in her place? Truly-loving everything is getting drunk, it seems that I started talking about respect, I don’t know how it is with others. In the Perm region, it all starts with the State. Scandals and divorces in young families begin from hopelessness. Getting a promising education (in my time it was lawyers, bukh, economists, now gas workers, oil workers and police with prosecutors) is quite problematic and expensive (not all parents can afford), and not to everyone's liking. Without education, the road to sovereign people is booked (loans for young families, respectively, and bank soft loans past the cash register). Here begins the hopelessness with rented housing or living with parents (as they say, two bears in one kitchen, and it is not known which is better) The average salary in our city is 15 thousand (plus or minus 5 pieces). To rent a one-room apartment on average 8-10, but what to live on? Many people try to scribble or look for a second yu work. Fatigue, dissatisfaction with life begins to accumulate, hence scandals and many dive from problems into a glass (and it doesn’t matter, both men and women). From this (financial) issue a problem arises with children — one would grow up (put on, put on shoes , feed and learn for kindergarten 2tyra, for additional classes even a thousand, and even something else. As a family budget of 30-35 thousand, a family of three or four people can live in a rented apartment (even if you are lucky to take YOUR apartment in a mortgage -I call the mortgage slavery for 10-15 years-payments are the same 8-12 thousand per month-and God forbid that something happens to you: you get sick or lose work, you do not pay interest, they will be thrown out of the apartment at once). The last nail in the coffin of family values, our television (garbage chute) Endless houses, all kinds of talk shows like Let's get married, and soap operas in which a simple little fool is a prince and a bentley, the last thing with dancing and songs.
      So it turns out that the State itself (our leadership) provokes divorces and the lack of fertility. The opinion of young people about abandoning their second and subsequent children-WHY Bring POVERTY. And drinking and drugs are already consequences.
      This is my opinion, someone will agree, someone will not. I am forty-one years old, I bring up three children (22; 18; 5 years) So that I did not take my thoughts from the ceiling.
    6. veksha50 1 November 2015 18: 44 New
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      and immediately minus from the classic husband of the Alconaut .. but not, already two Alconauts put a minus.



      In order not to get the title of alkanaut, he put a plus ...

      PS And to be honest - scared after reading the status in PM ... Suddenly, not a alkanaut, but a lighthouse will be considered ...
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      Again, looking at how to drink. If every day it’s already dumb. And if you have a wife and a barbecue and a bathhouse, then this is normal. If you yourself don’t know how to drink, then there’s nothing to blame for the women. Mega has a couple such friends. One always says that he will leave tomorrow, and today he needs to hangover. Another thinks that the woman will adore his drunken face for bringing home 20 thousand. Although he bought an apartment for father-in-law, he got 200 tyrov on the car. then he drank and demolished the wing. he really doesn’t remember anyone. in general he is one and a half deprivation and father-in-law said that I and my daughter do not need you.
  • Slobber 1 November 2015 16: 16 New
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    Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem.

    Oh, here they found the root of evil. To say such a thing is simply embarrassing. A strong man will even submit to a strong woman. And the one who is looking for the culprit of the problem is not in himself, but in others, and the rest will be lousy.
    It's actually interesting. A man runs away from a woman with a child. Who's guilty? Man? No, a woman. A man repeatedly beats his wife, who is to blame? That's right - a woman.
    But seriously, the root of all evils is self-disrespect. A person who respects himself, and not self-righteous (sic!) And others will respect, and most importantly take care.
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      A philosopher and a guru cannot be Sloppy.smile
    2. Tany 1 November 2015 22: 26 New
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      Quote: razgildyay
      Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem.

      Oh, here they found the root of evil. To say such a thing is simply embarrassing. A strong man will even submit to a strong woman. And the one who is looking for the culprit of the problem is not in himself, but in others, and the rest will be lousy.
      It's actually interesting. A man runs away from a woman with a child. Who's guilty? Man? No, a woman. A man repeatedly beats his wife, who is to blame? That's right - a woman.
      But seriously, the root of all evils is self-disrespect. A person who respects himself, and not self-righteous (sic!) And others will respect, and most importantly take care.


      Thanks for the reasonable comment.
    3. a housewife 2 November 2015 01: 00 New
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      If an individual (I can’t call such a man!) Raises a hand against a woman, then only from a clear understanding that he will not receive change. If there were equal forces, I would not dare. But a frying pan may turn up to her ... Husband - in a coffin, wife in prison, children in a shelter. And of course the wife is to blame! Why does she continue to live with this? Here you have half the divorces - leave on time.
  • taram taramych 1 November 2015 16: 30 New
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    Get a dog stop do not torture women.
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      Quote: taram taramych
      Get a dog, do not torture women.



      A dog is a friend of man ... Why torment her?

      PS I watch from the window how one female ferret “displays” a beautiful dog-like, playful, kind, and a desire arises to go down and give this mistress a head ... He scoffs, screams, pulls some collar like a fake ...

      And so I think - what kind of man will get along with such a creature? And the dog, poor thing, suffers ...
      1. a housewife 2 November 2015 01: 05 New
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        Most likely, the husband started the dog, and she has to walk with her, or just the evil husband, comes off the dog. Poor dog!
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  • Alexander Romanov 1 November 2015 16: 42 New
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    almost 700 thousand children are currently in boarding schools, shelters, orphanages - this, we note, every fifth child in the country
    I may have misunderstood something, but it turns out that in our country there are only 3.5 million children ????:
    Okay, this is not clear, but I remind the author that in the late 90s there were 2 million children in boarding schools and orphanages.
  • Civil 1 November 2015 16: 47 New
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    Now there’s a family crisis ... 70% of divorces in the first year
  • nva8 1 November 2015 17: 48 New
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    Regarding the revolutionary period, pay attention to the book "HOME" .... BE SURPRISED that you are mistaken, you distort what really happened, a clear division of labor, yes, including in the family
  • ava09 1 November 2015 18: 29 New
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    Quote: Rigla
    Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem. But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark, then there will be strong large families.


    So offended, you don’t need to communicate with women until you get smarter ...
  • razzhivin 1 November 2015 18: 29 New
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    I put the article + .. But with those who call Women "women" to me "out of the way" ...

    In general, I agree with the opinion of those who somehow write about reducing the moral "standard" for many ... And you shouldn’t blame only the youth ... It all started under socialism with common reasoning: "let it be hard for us, but it will be easier for children "... So often egocentrists were raised who were only ready to consume ... 90 (with the advent of the" ideals of a consumer society ") simply served as a" developer "for them ... Many of us now raise grandchildren like that .. .
    And the point is not that someone is more, someone is earning less ... This is secondary ... There are not enough other (except material) criteria to assess how to act right / good, but how wrong / bad ...
    There were no previous ideological foundations, but not everyone is ready for the perception of others ...

    But this is generally, but personally, including and to the author, I can only say one thing - either you need to choose not only under the influence of hormones (this is for those who have left), or to be more tolerant - he himself chose (for those who left) ...
  • 34 region 1 November 2015 19: 00 New
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    Isn’t it easier then to get a servant? He will not bark and will know his place. Yes, and you yourself can support at least a wife and two children for one of your salaries?
    1. Oper6300 1 November 2015 21: 36 New
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      In the process, he only earns on Chappy and kennel earns, and therefore the syllable is like that.
  • Down House 1 November 2015 20: 02 New
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    They were strong because it was impossible to get divorced - now you can run away at any moment, here many people regard marriage as something potentially temporary.
  • Sergey S. 1 November 2015 21: 07 New
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    Quote: Rigla
    Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem.

    Clearly insufficient measure.
    It’s much more effective to embed some peasants so that they don’t drink, don’t walk, ... they looked after their women, they loved and raised their children ... they went to school for parental meetings, helped to do lessons ...
    Quote: Rigla
    But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark ...

    ... and the khan of Russia, because in industry, and even more so in medicine, education, women mainly work.
    Guys strive to sit in chairs, go to the bathhouse or shooting gallery ... and destroy other people's families. Not all, of course. But in the unproductive sphere there are now so many healthy guys that it is not clear who stands at the machines.
    Quote: Rigla
    ... then there will be strong large families.

    There was no recipe ...
    In order for a family to be healthy, it is necessary to cure people of selfishness, laziness, bragging, ...
  • Oper6300 1 November 2015 21: 18 New
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    Quote: Rigla
    the wife knew her place and did not bark, then there will be strong large families.
    Along the way, in your family, everyone has muzzles - an exemplary order. Do not give free rein, and mother and daughters are talking.
  • Nikolay K 1 November 2015 23: 08 New
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    Women were given not only a lot of freedom (rights), but also a burden on their responsibilities. First of all, a woman must now work EQUAL with men. The Bolsheviks were the first to do this in droves, followed by the Western capitalists. In fact, we are talking about a new division of labor: women go to work, transferring their functions in raising children to special social institutions, such as schools and kindergartens. Do you want women to return back to their families, then you need to be aware that: 1. The standard of living of the population will fall. 2. A man must completely take on the problems of maintaining a family. 3. A woman with an 1-2 child will be bored at home; she will have to give birth to at least 4's. Personally, I am for house building and my wife too.
    1. a housewife 2 November 2015 01: 14 New
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      If you look historically - in all centuries in all countries only the upper class allowed their women not to work, even some activity was condemned. Commoners injected always and everywhere. Homework was no less difficult. And the peasant is doubly. And, of course, raising children was not considered work at all. If it seems to anyone that with 1-2 children it’s boring at home, try to get bored with the kids without a wife for at least a week!
  • ind1205 1 November 2015 23: 50 New
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    And all the current men in your opinion are ready to feed these largest families? we ourselves make our women become strong, and so that they do not bark, as you put it, you need to love, feed and dress them, as well as the children of whom these women give birth to us. And then most men do not want to work, in the morning it’s already blue from vodka and about drugs.
  • avia1991 2 November 2015 02: 20 New
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    Quote: Rigla
    But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark,

    That is, there is a MAN - but is there a "woman" who is HIS "friend"?
    You tell this to your mom! And do not be surprised if she gives you an answer on the head! wassat
    In general, such things - do not be offended - in life I hear, as a rule, from "henpecked", unable to ensure the normal existence of their family, and for this they are constantly “receiving” from the wife, who is spinning in a spin so that she can do everything.
    I will not say that you have the same thing, but second widespread option - our comprehensive egoism, when we (men) are not in a hurry to take into account someone else’s interests, but demand that everything be “HOW I WANT”!
    A woman is "thin nature", she needs a Tale! wink
    In fact, the problem is global, because today they do not teach such simple truths as mutual respect, the desire to live for a loved one, the ability to find compromises with those you love .. But everything is so simple! NEED JUST THIS WANT .. hi
  • cyberhanter 2 November 2015 08: 54 New
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    If people get divorced, both are to blame. Is always. Felling just girls is always bad. And if the girl is so bad, then the guy’s fault is that he chose this one. A general decline in morals changes values. For some reason, more and more TPs are in demand, but if they are chosen, then it’s their own fault.
    Guys, choose good, smart, loyal girls and you will be happy.
    Of course there are exceptions, but they will only confirm the rule
  • Appraiser 3 November 2015 17: 04 New
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    This is all from the evil one, but you need to live as in the scripture: “Let the wife be afraid of her husband,” I translate into simple language: “Wife, obey your husband in everything as the Lord” - that’s all! All this came from "tolerant lesbians" such as Rosa Luxemburg and Klara Zetkin .... am
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      Quote: Appraiser
      and you need to live as in the scripture: “Let the wife be afraid of her husband,” I translate into simple language:

      You do not just have to dissemble, translating "into plain language" in the way that suits you! Have you read this verse completely? And his interpretation, from the point of view of the church, you know ?!
      "So each of you love his wife as himself; but let your wife fear her husband."(5.33) The husband is commanded to love his wife as himself. Such love excludes the relationship of domination and fear.

      http://www.pravoslavie.ru/answers/6461.htm
      In addition, the word "afraid" in Greek means "honor", "respect", "care". So choose what you like best, and LOVE your wife as yourself!
      And if you are not a masochist, then, following this rule, you will not allow assaults - you will not raise your voice!
  • vorobey 1 November 2015 15: 02 New
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    Marat, how are you right with this pain ... but .. choosing the profession of a soldier he initially prepares himself for the victims .. Peresvet and Oslyabya were also warriors, but at the same time they were monks who renounced the family for God's sake ...

    as our tactics teacher in the Tashkent tank lieutenant colonel Kudinov said - the service went - leave the family go serve, the service did not go leave the service go to the family .. I also ran for two years with two hares ..



    1. Bashibuzuk 1 November 2015 17: 51 New
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      Alexander, to the point.
      Head of the service PFDS SF in the 90s, cap-two ... ehhhh sclerosis. also said - ".. If the wife interferes with the service - leave the wife. If the service interferes with the wife, quit the service."
      Or - or, without options.
      .
      And specifically, for Alexei, Yaktus-Rectus ... I have two daughters.
      Well, the eldest is already married. Do not drink, do not smoke, master ...
      The youngest, 25, does not drink, does not smoke, conservative education, lives in Moscow. I personally know the prince of the Danish consort (prince 84, note). Single.
      Her friend is exactly the same. The singer is true. A native Muscovite, moreover.
      I don’t know, Alexei, where you go, whom you are looking for. But in some nightclubs you will definitely not find them.
      Because both plow, from morning to night. Mine is a teacher at the conservatory. And the salary is not 20 kilos. This is in Moscow. Private students of the sea.
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      Quote: vorobey
      choosing the profession of a soldier initially prepares himself for the victims

      I will bring my "five cents" to this statement.
      Women also need to be trained to be the wife of a warrior. Because both the psyche, and character, and the principles, and priorities of the warrior are very different from the purely civil liberal pacifist ...
  • kot28.ru 1 November 2015 15: 10 New
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    And I am confident in my soulmate, always and in everything with me, it’s necessary, that is, it is necessary, day after day, like the service! hiA friend on a business trip got married, the girl had already visited the border with Georgia, in Gala, now in our Far East, I can see from her eyes, she’s a little scared, not Rostov, but it’s like nothing, they live!
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      Quote: kot28.ru
      I'm sure of my soulmate


      hold the plus of the cat .. drinks . we, too, celebrated together for 60 years .. everything is fair (live with me for three days)laughing
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        Quote: vorobey
        we, too, with his 60 years together celebrated .. all honestly (live with me - a day in three)


        The wife needs to erect a monument during her life ... And the order, at least a family one, should be entered: "Heroine-wife" ...

        I envy ... I only found this for the second time ... And so, if from the first call, it would have been 45 years already ...

        There are normal women, there are ... It just happens, we are not looking for them there ...
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          Quote: veksha50
          The wife needs to erect a monument during her life ... And the order, at least a family one, should be entered: "Heroine-wife" ...


          It's right..

          Quote: veksha50
          There are normal women, there are ... It just happens, we are not looking for them there ...


          I was already telling our acquaintance story here ... I was drunk and didn’t see it when two girls dragged me to them, and when she saw me she thought - well, somebody will get it ... laughing but the next day, seeing in a marine uniform, she decided what she would get .. laughing two weeks of acquaintance - twenty years old and four children ... and still sometimes we rave and under the covers of the children quietly drink wine and sweets ..

          there is no such thing in life that someone alone is guilty, both are always to blame for the collapse of the family .. you cannot give one to compensate for the other .. and there will be happiness. laughing
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            Hammer!
            Shake your hand!
  • ALEA IACTA EST 1 November 2015 15: 17 New
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    Every problem has one reason - the lack of enlightenment of people, the darkness and vacuum in their souls.
  • bubla5 1 November 2015 15: 20 New
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    Damn how many times I thought, well, the state does not need to sell apartments, let’s give it for free but for life, to veterans, disabled people, orphans and all military men, but it’s not invented in Hebrew, like yours and pay for almost a lifetime, not understanding how many squabbles and grief it leads division of property, division of inheritance, etc. Maybe I didn’t write like that, but probably everyone will understand the meaning.
  • rotfuks 1 November 2015 15: 22 New
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    On this topic there is such a film from the time of the USSR where Yuri Nikulin and Gurchenko are still filming. There, the hero of Nikulin goes on vacation, and a fellow traveler-major talks about his wife’s fotrel. Many people will probably not like my example. But the fortels of the wife of the front-line soldier were possible only on this side of the front. On the other side of the front, Hitler adopted the "Law on Front-line Soldiers." If the wife of a Wehrmacht soldier was weak at the front, then after the investigation she was taken to 5 years of camps. She was deprived of parental rights and food certification. Weak German women were very disciplined. We have not adopted such a law and will not accept it. Therefore, we have what we have. The mind of us is a cunning woman who gets rid of her husband-officer, but uses his apartment and property and benefits.
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      Somehow we selectively judge ... The "Bab" was condemned to the weak, but for the men who used this front end - the norm? ... Such an "moral" is interesting ... Apparently, all sorts of feminist movements were infected with the ruins of this "moral". .. What we sow is reaping !!!
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      Most likely, there was no such law in Germany.
  • Aksakal_07 1 November 2015 15: 32 New
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    Quote: Rigla
    Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem. But it is necessary as before 1917. wife knew her place ...

    Why get so far into history? In the 1960s, wives were not at all eager to get a divorce, i.e. They didn’t try to throw her husband out of the family (apartment) and demand child support, live in pleasure, throwing young children to grandparents. But, most importantly, husbands in those years behaved like men, tried to be fathers of families, breadwinners and defenders.
  • AdekvatNICK 1 November 2015 15: 36 New
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    a lot of men who can be called rags. They even after a divorce do not pay child support))) rogue with pride.
  • Buffalo 1 November 2015 15: 42 New
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    It is felt that Syrtlanov is a secret supporter of ISIS.
    He argues how that gypsy who, like, doesn't care about a horse ...
    About what will happen, if not to kill the terrorists, he prudently kept silent. So it would fit right to argue to the shalman Raduyev (Roddomov), who participated in the attack on the hospital in Budennovsk.
    Or a Tajik werewolf in uniform.
    It is sad that a reputable site provides an opportunity to promote the ideology of a banned terrorist community.
  • Catafract 1 November 2015 15: 43 New
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    But it is not the decision of the authorities from now and forever to hush up the exploits, glorious dates and names of the heroes who laid their lives on the altar of the Fatherland, provoked conflicting feelings. It just became clear that the dismantling of the volunteer army in southeastern Ukraine, judging by the intensity and nature of lawmaking in the military sphere, was not the last armed conflict involving our guys. And here the events in Syria arrived.

    suppression of losses is the true attitude of those who hold power towards people, like cannon fodder, which no one should know about, there will still be roofing felts ...
    1. ALEA IACTA EST 1 November 2015 15: 49 New
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      The fewer reasons for throwing feces on the fan from external and internal "partners", the better.
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      suppression of losses is the true attitude of those who hold power towards people, like cannon fodder, which no one should know about, there will still be roofing felts ...


      That is, the leadership of all countries of the world, at all times treated people like cannon fodder? In general, probably. there is some truth in the context that if a person is a vegetable in society, and even rotten, then it is suitable only for food. If a person is a citizen, then his victim is conscious. he does not think about his rulers; he thinks about his family, relatives, friends, and just about millions of unfamiliar souls. My grandfather, who passed the Great Patriotic War from the first day to the last, thought about this, my father, who was injured while performing an international duty, still held on for two years, but died in 73 in a Moscow hospital, and so I think, and, in general, I completely consciously trust my life to the Almighty, protecting Russia, by any means.

      And to the author, if he were at least twenty years younger, he would fill his face. Divorced pensioners, with a red word on uniform ....
  • AdekvatNICK 1 November 2015 15: 46 New
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    to non-combat losses and to the most shameful departure from life, I consider the suicide of a soldier because of a woman.
    There is no reason not to think so. Your parents gave you life and you just took the rag and died because of the woman when all your life is ahead and you can still manage to find the same or even better 10 times. But no, the easiest way is to be a hack and leave life. Spitting on how relatives and friends will live with it later. That they will start dragging someone through interrogations from commanders who have their own families.
  • olimpiada15 1 November 2015 15: 51 New
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    Good article, author 100+.
    But the comment about women and excessive freedom jarred. I will try to divide the question into its components.
    1) It must be understood that the widows have problems that bend even strong-willed women. No, they don’t rush to the worst, but they will be proved by illness. Although there are many women and men who are in constant search of life without difficulties, if you choose this option, then this is your choice.
    2) These are men's problems when choosing a life girlfriend for a spectacular appearance you do not notice the lack of character strength that is necessary for a military wife. The desire for a calm, measured life is a normal condition for a family, raising children, and not every woman is able to withstand constant stress.
    3) I would like to congratulate those who could make the right choice and, most likely with a charming appearance, the bride was hiding a loving, persistent human nature, who understood you, waited and believed, and you have been together for many years. I wish you happiness with all my heart!
  • tyras85 1 November 2015 15: 55 New
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    At one time, it was forbidden to write on the monument: "Died in the performance of international duty" !?
    It is right!??? NO! Spit in a hero. Talk to the media how many youths of the Airborne Forces crushed the youth, and for those who died in battle, for the interests of the State, RUSSIA, let them be silent !? I'M AGAINST! The bureaucrats are silent about their
    the “incomes” that have been welded. This is what “blew” the ban on information about those who died with honor and courage ... guys ??? What about mother, mother, mother ......... I saw it, happened.
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      At one time, it was forbidden to write on the monument: "Died in the performance of international duty" !?


      It depended on the local authorities. Somewhere they wrote, somewhere not. It was forbidden to write the place of death.
      1. tyras85 1 November 2015 17: 46 New
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        In DRA, it flew 18 months on the “bees.” 897 sorties and 3 pieces of iron on a uniform.
        He didn’t serve for them, but for the MOTHERLAND and friends. I saw, as the wives said, after planting a tulip in the union: “I don’t need a dead husband! Visit my mother.? !!! si !!!” As for
        inscriptions, it was strictly forbidden. For 1986-1989 (12.02.) died, there, 28 of my classmates. Pilots ....
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          28 of my classmates. Pilots ....


          Sorry bacha, but 28 pilots in three years, these are some fantastic losses. If you take one unit, it will be disbanded with losses much smaller.

          Zinc was brought to the garrison morgues, stored in sheds, utility rooms nearby. Like firewood. Relatives came to pick up. Those who were not taken away were buried by the commandant’s office. Officers were assisted by colleagues, and soldiers .... everything was paid, for parents. Even drunken ensign zinc will be sought only for money, and so, look for yourself, in stacks, by number .... girls, what to take from them, God be their judge. How the rear administrative rats behaved, it was something ...
      2. a housewife 2 November 2015 01: 21 New
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        In Maykop, a church was erected near the military unit, a monument to Nicholas the Wonderworker, in the same place there is such a place near the church, there are stones, each one has a country, below the names of the Maykop brigade soldiers who died in that country. It reaches the soul.
  • mosquit 1 November 2015 16: 17 New
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    Only for the name of the text minus
    The author is apparently bad with the Russian language ..
    Russia's non-combat losses are divorced and orphans

    And what else did the author want to say?
    MORE THAN IN THE DOMESTIC

    Losses of the Red Army in WWII
    1. Asadullah 1 November 2015 16: 43 New
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      The author is apparently bad with the Russian language ..


      He also has a bad conscience. We had non-combat losses, two recoilless drunken bouts, one for some reason VOG disassembled ...
  • Zomanus 1 November 2015 16: 20 New
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    Women's priorities have changed.
    Now the main thing for them is to sell themselves better while there is a presentation.
    And you don’t know how many years of marriage you will be left without a family, without children ...
    But for the military, this is more aggravated by the constant risk of not returning at all or returning ... not like that.
    And by the way, pay attention, the church is silent here, trying not to criticize loudly.
    1. olimpiada15 1 November 2015 17: 38 New
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      Women's priorities have changed.
      Now the main thing for them is to sell themselves better while there is a presentation.

      Yes, have changed. Such is the education of youth now. Please note that these priorities are formed and promoted by the media - newspapers, magazines, television, so we get such youth.
      I draw your attention to the fact that distributors of everything and everything are tearing into the house under a false pretext for the sole purpose of misleading residents, to deceive is an absolute norm of behavior. For a long time I bought a magazine with a television program, there were additional puzzles, small consultations, and other useful things, but they were rebuilt — there is propaganda for the success of Kirkorov, Pugacheva, even Chubais and other trifles — it became disgusting. But the youth on this brought up.
      If in Soviet times we were brought up on heroic examples, the romance of Siberia, and films were tuned for patriotism, everything was built in the country, industry worked. And now the cult of easy enrichment and entertainment. Advances in this matter have appeared, but when they still become dominant, time is needed. In the meantime, we are reaping the fruits of consumerism, promoted by the media.
    2. Russiamoy 1 November 2015 19: 50 New
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      Come on. and in men is not so ?. do not make me laugh. there are those who - richer than stealing either from the prosecutors or the daughter of an official, etc. etc. there are a million examples. do not all in one pile of revenge. and how many families I saw where there are heterosexual children: the daughter does everything at home, even the lessons to her brother and the son, NOTHING. he is the SON. and when you ask why: the daughter is the daughter and the SON is a gift. and I say to people with complaints: imagine that you say disgusting things not about someone else’s “woman” but about your daughter or granddaughter. and I think that everything goes from education in a particular family, it does not matter whether the son or daughter is there.
      1. vorobey 1 November 2015 21: 08 New
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        Quote: Zomanus
        Women's priorities have changed.

        Quote: olimpiada15
        Yes, have changed.

        Quote: Russiamoya
        Come on. and in men is not so ?.


        dear ladies and gentlemen ... so long as we roll a barrel at each other, no shit (excuse my French) will change ... there is no place for pride in the family. as a rule they love it not for anything, but contrary to something .. I mean weaknesses and vices (on the day of the tanker and the day of the Navy my mine doesn’t look for the truth in the tradition, we are increasingly going to celebrate these holidays as a family together) ..

        when a person loves disinterestedly and sincerely, then over time he begins to feel his other half .. we can simultaneously say the same phrase. it’s nice to guess the wishes of the wife at a distance when you bring a trifle like nut assorted and you hear, but I really wanted nuts today ...

        and most importantly, be able to admit that you are wrong and forgive someone else ... something like that repeat
    3. razzhivin 1 November 2015 20: 02 New
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      The conclusion that the "church is silent" on what is based? ... How many were there in the church, Dear?
    4. a housewife 2 November 2015 01: 26 New
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      So it's men’s priorities have changed. It turns out that while the presentation is needed, but lost, it will be left without a family without children, despite years of marriage. What you want is what you get. Well, you don’t want a wife, but a person with a presentation. And then it’s not prestigious.
  • Buffalo 1 November 2015 16: 22 New
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    They did absolutely right in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation that they classified military losses.
    There is no need to please enemies and once again injure relatives of military personnel.
    Well, treason, no one is safe from it, neither in war nor in peacetime.
    And tomorrow no one guaranteed us, even when you are not fighting. And for military risk - the specifics of the service. There is no war without casualties.
  • Denis DV 1 November 2015 16: 23 New
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    I am surprised by the military “careers” of all kinds of coexisting like the author of the article. Article minus. Probably the state gives out wives to whiners?
  • LukaSaraev 1 November 2015 16: 27 New
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    And I’ll just write about myself. No guesswork or predictions. I have 3 daughters and one son. He was born and I knew that he would be a cadet. After the 8th grade I took it from the cadet. but talk about who he became led all the time. Everywhere he carried him with him and now, when he is 16, he is my friend. Previously, he yelled and rested. when I go fishing. I took a hunt. I wanted to run around the garages with the boys. Then he was indignant. when I began to teach him (from 10 years) to earn a pretty penny. Mom first stood up for him, then she understood and went quiet. And now I know for sure. that will do everything. make a decision. True or not - this is the case. But he knows how to do it at 16. He owns the tools, helps me with pleasure in work, and I bought EVERYTHING for my school with my own money. Goes to the sport. for hockey and soda money is no longer asking. It’s much harder to grow and teach a guy. therefore they say about the HOUSE, TREE and SON.
    1. vorobey 1 November 2015 17: 38 New
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      Quote: LukaSaraev
      And I’ll just write about myself. No guesswork or predictions.


      but I have, on the contrary, three sons and a daughter .. and the elders are already with me in the workshop ... The oldest one earned a car for the summer, let it be just seven, let there be rights only in January, but the fact was not given by dad. besides this also junior to school provided plowed with me like dad Carlo ... hi

      so plus a large father .. drinks . all happy families are the same .. each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way - I don’t remember whose words ..
      1. a housewife 2 November 2015 01: 30 New
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        These are the words of Leo Tolstoy. From "Anna Karenina"
      2. Kindof 2 November 2015 09: 08 New
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        This was said by the prolific father and writer Leo Tolstoy in the novel - just, in the spite of the day - "Anna Karenina"
  • Zolotse 1 November 2015 16: 33 New
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    As amicable men in kamenty begin to scold mercantile women, right in chorus. I am 40, and I look around to see almost a bunch of women single-handedly "pulling" one or two children. There is no sense from their peasants, or they will put minimal alimony as a bone to a dog. But the man raising a child alone, I know only one in my environment. But he died a year ago.
    1. vorobey 1 November 2015 17: 45 New
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      Quote: Zolotse
      How amicably men in kamenty begin to scold mercantile women


      male solidarity .. alas ..

      Quote: Zolotse
      I look around to see almost a bunch of women single-handedly "pulling" one or two children. From the peasants of theirs there is no sense, or they will put out minimal alimony as a bone to a dog


      scolding men - female solidarity ..
  • jaroff 1 November 2015 16: 38 New
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    For a man, guessing with his wife is the greatest success. One and the same woman can cause grief and suffering for one man and make the other happy. The key word is "guess." Someone is lucky in this the first time, and someone is forced to look for their second half all their life. Therefore, I can not blame anyone for divorces.
  • sesame 1 November 2015 16: 41 New
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    What is the meaning of the article? The army is part of society. What, in the army there are more divorces? It is unlikely that there simply became more divorces in society. And this is the problem of propaganda of the institution of the family. We now have only an advertisement for a beautiful life, and no one wants to support a family. Men get sex without obligation, girls do not want to wash dirty clothes and cook, and everyone wants to have fun at sea.
  • Reptiloid 1 November 2015 16: 42 New
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    It’s a pity that it’s not clear. I agree with many, but I feel that I’m not catching up somewhere. I thought about getting married, but it didn’t work out so far.
    1. Awaz 1 November 2015 17: 04 New
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      Yes, because there are tricky inserts that are completely fake or outdated so that they are in no way relevant. The theme of orphans or divorced children is slightly embellished. Have you ever visited Kindergartens? Most of them are children of mothers of alcoholics and dads, who rummage through the zones. Children are the same cuckoo mothers who abandon their children in maternity hospitals dismantled like hot cakes (sorry for the analogy), but long-standing queues are for such children. Yes, and older children would have been dismantled if the administrations of these houses had not prepared them for export to American thick-haired housewives. Children there are so many sores written in cards that many immediately lose the desire to adopt. Although, when conducting independent medical examinations, all the children that I know of were not found to be serious, except for the usual sores present in many domestic children. The only thing that the orphanages lack is participation and parental warmth, and therefore they sometimes look so bad. Having lived a year, even in a loving family, children are transformed ...
  • theodore rasp 1 November 2015 17: 28 New
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    I think that the root of evil is in "civil marriage." so tolerantly called now - cohabitation without obligation. And by and large - depraved lust. Somehow it turned out that out of 9 of my friends who are trying to start a family, 7 women are categorically against registration of relations. This, of course, is not an indicator, but information for consideration. And the legislation encourages this. I am convinced that the legislative ban on the payment of alimony for children born out of wedlock will significantly reduce the number of street children.
  • Nikotin13 1 November 2015 17: 28 New
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    In Tajikistan, we were with Kostroma ... In Chechnya, they changed us ... When sent to Abkhazia, we met again ...
  • Concealer 1 November 2015 17: 46 New
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    1. In modern social production, in connection with the transition to high-tech production, a woman with intelligence earns more than a man. A simple fact is that women are more suitable for sedentary and monotonous computer work than men.
    2. The large incomes of a working woman lead to her complete economic independence, and as a result to her disinterest in creating a full-fledged family. A simple fact - if a woman can fully provide for herself, why should her husband?
    3. Working women do not have children, as this inevitably leads to loss of work, income and loss of economic independence. A simple fact is to maintain, educate and educate children is very expensive in modern society.
    4. A working woman will not have children until a stable financial situation is obtained, and as a result, she will think about children no earlier than 30-35 years old. A simple fact - before she could not even afford a one-room apartment on the outskirts of the city.
    5. By the time a working woman reaches the age of 30-35 years old, she has health problems, well-established habits of having lovers and living alone, and all men of "marriageable age" either have already drunk and cracked or have enough of their young lovers. A simple fact - a woman in 30-35 will no longer be a romantic fool, she needs guarantees of stability and prosperity. Romance will not work.

    And finally, if a woman, having all the advantages in modern production over a man and the ability to earn money, cannot ensure her own economic independence, then she is either a fool or wants everything, and for free. And as a result, she will thump, look for freebies and will forever be in search of a "prince on a Ferrari." And so on until 30-35 years until health is completely over. Of course there are exceptions, but they rather confirm the rule.

    And no need to blame women. Women in this case are only victims of the existing social and economic system. But one does not need to think that history can be reversed. In modern production, women are more effective than men. But men have one advantage in balancing the system. Who knows which one?
    1. yastr 3 November 2015 13: 27 New
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      1. In modern social production, in connection with the transition to high-tech production, a woman with intelligence earns more than a man. A simple fact is that women are more suitable for sedentary and monotonous computer work than men.


      :) come on?!
      Now I’ll tell the guys - they will laugh heartily. I work in the largest IT-office - something is not observed by your "simple facts". We are not playing toys here, we are not scoring texts with words, here we need to think: algorithms, mathematics and, of course, technical education. Girls are more likely an exception to the rule.
      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care what gender my colleague has. The main thing is that he / she cope with their duties and be professionals.
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    rom8726 1 November 2015 17: 47 New
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    there are still a lot of nerd guys who don't get married, and a lot of girls who jump out to get married “just to be quicker,” and then get divorced in a year
  • Michael_59 1 November 2015 17: 59 New
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    Quote: sezam
    What is the meaning of the article? The army is part of society.


    The family is the foundation of society.

    You can “dump” a society with a guarantee by undermining its foundations.

    Attack on the family - an attack on society.

    The motivation of a warrior who has no one (no family, no reliable rear) to defend is a separate issue.

    The Russians are invincible. As long as the Russians. While the families are Russian, not like in the bodyjewvisor. As soon as they cease to be Russian - that's it.
  • Orenburg 1 November 2015 18: 09 New
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    Dude


    Dude from Jewish - castrated ram. repeat

    And what kind of language is this - "Jewish"?
    1. renics 1 November 2015 18: 36 New
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      This is he with a joke and this can be easily checked for everyone, through Google translator the word dude is translated from Hebrew as a brother.
      1. I am Russian 1 November 2015 18: 54 New
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        As Zadornov says: “I forgot to put a smiley” lol
  • midshipman 1 November 2015 18: 24 New
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    An article by M. Syrtlanov prompted me to share with you readers of VO thoughts on this subject. "Today in Russia there are up to 5-7 million street children. ......". Further, the author reveals a terrible picture. I wrote an article “Recall” in “VO”, where I tried to tell you how we orphans of the Second World War began our working life. Read it, please. Then the state took care of orphans. My father died defending Leningrad on December 27, 1941. He was a commander (I omit his rank), his colleagues buried him in a separate grave at the Theological Cemetery, and this was December 1941.
    Then the Government for orphans (and we had about 1 million children. This is 0,3% of the total population of the USSR) organized cadet companies in military schools. And so I was accepted into one of them. He graduated from college, then three universities, became a doctor of sciences, professor, full member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Honored Scientist of the Russian Federation, Chief Designer of many combat systems. For 12 years he headed the State Department of the Ministry of Defense, then during the period of “perestroika” he was appointed Rector of the Academy. In 3 hot spots he participated in operations and avenged his father. I work now at my main job and head the department at the university. Raised children, helping raise grandchildren.
    I say, readers of VO, to you, about all this because the state should take care of its children, especially orphans. Then they will protect the state. They cannot be left alone with the street and criminals. Orphans must be loved, educated and educated. I have the honor.
  • grinyow.ivan 1 November 2015 18: 43 New
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    Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem. But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark, then there will be strong large families.

    if you have a family of more than 4 I respect, and so I have 9 bolts and all the best as Russian
  • WINovikov 1 November 2015 18: 45 New
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    Regarding the "princes on the Ferrari" ...
    Why in the "decaying" West do children, even millionaires, work on vacation ???
    Why in the same West do children, not even family, live separately from their parents ???
    And we have? Children would work, but where? Children would live separately, but where? So our children run anywhere: on dens, clubs, etc. They run away from their parents who have sober-drawn. What else should they do? Run and wait for the rich princesses and princes on the Ferrari. Maybe he wrote chaotically, but as he could. Excuse me.
  • Evgeniy30 1 November 2015 18: 46 New
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    Quote: Rigla
    Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem. But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark, then there will be strong large families.

    Maybe I will surprise you, but the peasants were given too much freedom. A man also needs to know his place. And everything comes from false values ​​that climb from all the media, from those ideas about life that are preached through films, magazines, TV shows, etc.
  • blind 1 November 2015 19: 00 New
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    I don’t know what their mothers are teaching there, but it’s extremely difficult to find a worthy girl. Mercantile interests prevail, and not just prosperity, but chic life like in beautiful American films is the priority for them now. Prizdnost in life, lack of chastity, is also a gigantic problem, when you imagine life with such a girl, then by not complicated logical fabrications, you come to the conclusion that horns will be an obligatory bonus for getting married, especially since I have a specific job, I’m not at home for several months. It’s harder to find gifted people than a needle in haystack, there’s nothing to talk about, interests are infantile, in short everything is very sad. Among the female of my age, rampant drinking thrives when they find out that I’m not a drinker, wonder how it is possible and believe that I am “a little bit.” Every second smokes, sometimes it seems that smokers are more than normal. And such "individuals" are now the vast majority.
    I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong and I’m just unlucky, but I see everything just like that. All this despite the fact that I live on Sakhalin, what is happening in the capital, it’s even hard to imagine. I am 26 years old.

    if you want to destroy the country - corrupt the women of this country
  • Victor1 1 November 2015 19: 02 New
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    The women were snickering, they were brainwashing their brains with Western capitalist values, and they are suffering garbage, not knowing and not bearing responsibility for their actions. And the rise of feminism only finishes everything.
  • aviator_IAS 1 November 2015 19: 17 New
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    The article is sucked from that very finger. Yes, there are demographic problems, but it is not the RF Ministry of Defense that is to blame for them. On the contrary, families of military personnel are, according to statistics, stronger than the average for Russia.
  • Norman_Pitkin 1 November 2015 19: 18 New
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    There are different things in life. The author of the article began, as they say in Russia, "for health, but ended for peace." Maybe I don’t catch up with my feminine mind, but the article began about the recent presidential decree on classifying losses of personnel and so on ... And the article itself is about us women, which we are flumsy and about his comrades, judging by the article, drunks! And my question is female - how does this multi-wise decree affect the consequences for the family of the deceased man in the name of the Motherland (like that) even if he received an order for a combat mission (that is, to shoot for defeat) in peacetime? Our beloved president, of course, is also that pepper !!! But when you guys sign some laws, decrees, articles, etc., do you think with your heads (upper) about the consequences of these legal wisdom? It’s one thing to classify the number of dead soldiers through the fault of stupid generals or through the fault of cruel times, but it’s another thing if, because of secrecy, the wife will not be given appropriate assistance from the Ministry of Defense. If the second does not suffer, then the first will not be a terrible secret for the exploit of the guys a hundred years later, when no one really needs to.
    In general, I read here peasant comments, well, by God, men, well, you and gossips !!! And also us women call gossips. belay When true love, a woman will wait and pray for her man so that he returns alive, all the more, she knew what she was dooming to when she married a military man! You don’t have to bother us, look at yourself first, how many single mothers the kids are raising, and you will survive one combat operation and the rest of your life you have occasion to burst vodka and use obscene words to talk about your exploit! Oh, okay, I looked enough at these .. VDVeshnikov especially no
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      Quote: Norman_Pitkin
      When true love, a woman will wait and pray for her man so that he returns alive, all the more, she knew what she was dooming to when she married a military man!


      this is true ... and not only military .. any man ... and she will tear anyone who tries to offend her man in her presence ... from personal experience I say ..


      Quote: Norman_Pitkin
      and you will survive one combat operation and the rest of your life you have occasion to burst vodka and use obscene words to talk about your exploit


      a separate plus .... it happens when we raise the excess
  • Dyagilev 1 November 2015 19: 26 New
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    The problem of demography is global in most countries and it is complex. Responsibility lies with men and women. Since then, when the reasons for the demographic catastrophe and the ways out of it became clear to me, it also seemed that the government was not very interested in resolving it, and even doing the opposite. For example, trying to solve it with maternal "capital". I was about minus for comments that you won’t make money to give birth. We must learn to understand that in this case, people understand literally and start giving birth only because of money, and by hook or by crook get this capital (they hang on the posts), and spend it unambiguously on themselves, thinking that something that is useful to me is useful and offspring. Or even not thinking about their offspring. As a result, by growing up, the child asks the question: "Where is the money, Zin?" And it turns out the conflict in our mercantile family is much larger than it should be between fathers and children in the old days. This is very detrimental to the authority of the family in general. Initially, in the holy of holies - the family hone everyone for money. The West will soon fully enjoy the advantage of such values. If the government wants to make a difference, first and foremost, prohibit the issuance of capital under any pretext, until it comes of age. But this is a minuscule in comparison with what is going on in the media, schools, universities, etc. ... I would write for a long time, but only few people.
  • Slogger 1 November 2015 19: 29 New
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    A few months ago, on one of the sites I read an article where the author wrote: - ".... the time of direct attacks on Putin and Russia has passed. Despite all efforts to disgrace him, huge support from the people means changing tactics. to give information like, “Putin seems to be trying as the president is, doing everything right, but still he’s not finalizing a little, he’s making a little mistake, well, etc., so it’s time to change him.” Here is this article, it seems to me that something from that series. It seems like it is necessary to protect the interests of Russia, but not by such methods, not by such efforts, because of divorces, orphans, losses. But it’s not Putin who is to blame, the reality in which the so-called shit democrats and liberals dragged Russia his Western values, and crap, and he is just trying to change this tendency, tear it away from Western values ​​and the erring, into “Russian World”, to “Russian Traditions.” The USA, from statistics, in its entire history, has not existed for a year without war s, and no one talks about homeless children, orphans, divorces, and there are many more. They explain that they are fighting "For the American way of life and for democracy"
  • cniza 1 November 2015 19: 30 New
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    It's just that the female half of society has changed priorities, in the first place dough to earn, then children. Ancestors in Russia did not live like that.
    State support is late, but better now than never.



    Without the active intervention of the state, it would be even worse, but in society reappraisals should also take place in relation to children.
  • Pushkar 1 November 2015 19: 30 New
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    The problem of divorces is, whatever you say. But it is in any country and here we are still lagging behind the "civilized". But linking this issue with active self-defense and an active foreign policy of our state is familiar and badly luring. Is it not "Crimean, the daughter of an officer" who voiced that "here is not so simple"?
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    Yes, just women were given a lot of freedom, and that's the problem. But it is necessary as before 1917. the wife knew her place and did not bark, then there will be strong large families.

    I agree, but a man should be in the full sense the head of the family, and not like many now to vodka, but to lose on sweepstakes.
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    Good evening comrades! hi I’ll add a little. Yesterday, my parents celebrated the Sapphire wedding. 45 years ago, my dad was a lieutenant (Vilnius RTU), and my mother, a simple girl from a village in the Arkhangelsk region, got married. After 3 VOs, they returned to the same village in 1992. And what’s interesting, in this same village I met my future wife. I was a cadet, she graduated from honey. technical school and also, like my parents, played a wedding in the parental home. Having received lieutenant epaulettes, they left with three bags to a new duty station. There was everything, but thanks to the education of our parents, we live, as before, and love each other. I hope that we educate our children correctly.
    PS Recently there was infa that in our Khanty-Mansiysk Okrug for 1000 marriages - 700 divorces. The figure seems to be shocking, but not surprising. The land is rich, children are spoiled, that’s the whole reason. Parents "push" unrealistic money into weddings, and the kids will live a couple of months and scatter. Something like that!
    1. razzhivin 1 November 2015 20: 34 New
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      Put + parents ... It remains to raise the same children ...
  • Ilotan 1 November 2015 20: 32 New
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    To the author minus. The article "with a choke." The numbers are taken from the ceiling, to create the appearance of authenticity (count at least how many children in the country, if 700.000 is one fifth). The main idea, which is not particularly hidden: all our troubles (including divorces and an increase in the number of orphans due to the fact that we are fighting too much), and the conclusions are appropriate. Yes, there is a problem, but this is not a problem of the army, but of the state as a whole, and the reason is completely different. But we are fighting, but a lot, but no more than 20, 50, 200 years ago. We are not like that - life makes us. Or does the author suggest returning to the beginning of the 90s, when we were ready to go under everyone and everyone?
  • pts-m 1 November 2015 21: 09 New
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    As parents set up their children, so they will master personal and social life in society.
  • Evgeniy30 1 November 2015 21: 13 New
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    Quote: Victor1
    The women were snickering, they were brainwashing their brains with Western capitalist values, and they are suffering garbage, not knowing and not bearing responsibility for their actions. And the rise of feminism only finishes everything.

    And men, as I understand it, are not snickering, and their brains are not exposed to rubbish?
  • Evgeniy30 1 November 2015 21: 16 New
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    As parents set up their children, so they will master personal and social life in society.

    Unfortunately, in addition to parents, the environment affects children's minds very much. School, TV shows, films, media, etc. Here the state is already to blame, and the liberals have settled down at the top.
    1. tracer 1 November 2015 22: 01 New
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      Evgeny30 ... MMM .. And you have beautiful boobs, the kitten on them all the more.
  • Oper6300 1 November 2015 21: 24 New
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    Judging by the first five or six smashed commentators, hard times await Russia crying
  • Severok 1 November 2015 21: 25 New
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    The institution of the family in our country has ceased to be an institution. Everything everywhere began to be measured for money: profitable, not profitable. That's kind of a cool start, maternal capital. But why, excuse me, a vegetable, is this capital needed if you need to feed and dress children today and now? A child’s benefits are miserable, even food for a week can’t be properly acquired. Who will give birth?
    Further, how does the school relate to the presentation of family ideals? No way! We have an exam !!! But there was, I remember, the subject "Ethics and Psychology of Family Life." Where is he? But, hedgehog your thorn, Orthodoxy introduced to schools! Don’t laugh! Family must be supported! Here and now! Whether it’s a military or civilian family, it makes no difference!
    What does the girls have to do with it !? You look at the guys, nerd on nerd! Do not hammer a nail or collect a sewer! And to catch up, because injuries in schools! Children perish on cross-country !!! Nope! !!!!! What a hammer !? He will beat a finger! ... And what does not conduct medical examination in children at schools, what should I call it? And if they do it, then they don’t see a heart defect, although just an ECG is a chance to detect!

    Eh-ma, what about the hunt of all our tankers from the time of the EBN to take, but to retreat ....
  • Evgeniy30 1 November 2015 21: 25 New
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    Regarding the "princes on the Ferrari" ...
    Why in the "decaying" West do children, even millionaires, work on vacation ???
    Why in the same West do children, not even family, live separately from their parents ???

    And here in more detail please. A couple of examples of how the children of millionaires earn extra money during the holidays? As for the children, they live separately from their parents .... And what prevents Russian children from living separately? Are their mom and dad kept at home by force? But do you know that foreign children can live separately, but after they take their parents away from their homes, closing them in the corresponding nursing homes, although they are not old yet. Throwing parents to the landfill of life and hammering on them is your reason to follow?
    1. wanderer 1 November 2015 22: 42 New
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      Eugene just do not need to tell tales here are mostly adults! In fact, it is not customary to live with adult children on zapod. If a girl meeting a guy finds out that he lives with his parents, it is unlikely she will continue to make acquaintance - this is not normal. And they do not take away anything from their parents, they earn themselves.
      1. kunstkammer 2 November 2015 00: 08 New
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        If a girl meeting a guy finds out that he lives with his parents, it is unlikely she will continue to make acquaintance - this is not normal.

        very much continue fellow and this is normal. Abnormally different - most of the salary of a young guy to give for a rented apartment.
  • tracer 1 November 2015 21: 31 New
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    Yesterday I returned from a small town in southern Russia. It has not been there for a long time, the Black Sea, which has quieted down in anticipation of tourists next summer market. The beauty.... So my Brothers, I’ll tell you that the attitude of the female half to the male simply surprised and stunned me. A man is needed there, a man is at a price at any "peasant-capable" age. “If only I didn’t drink”, an irrelevant female wish, “well, if only on holidays,” as a maximum, “by the pile but at home,” these are the limits of permissible maximums. So, a man really needs a woman in those places. I really need it. And not only for natural biological reasons. So, a man in family relationships is seen there as the owner, builder of the family house, advocate, father. In a word, all those who a man is by nature. Now I will give another example, when outside the window there is a garden ring and Moscow skyscrapers. We observe the very opposite situation. A man for a woman is considered as a means of enriching movement in the elements of life. And nothing more. Rocking chairs and Botoxes, massages and hairstyles, all these are means of attacking the wallets of my compatriots. Well, who did not hear these heartbreaking stories? Well, in fact, in a comfortable and safe life in a modern city, a man does not need a man. She works for herself and even provides herself with children, she will be sent to schools in the evening by a rocking chair with a solarium and on Saturday Restran ... or the like. Get pregnant? Yes, in general, there are no problems "from the best manufacturers" only come on. The question is then. And why is a man at home? It is necessary to listen, cook and wash it. And on TV they inspire from childhood what? Correctly, the main problem of Moscow millionaires is "find your love." “I saw all this” is a typical reaction. Therefore, "it is better to take money ..." "I have children ...". Standard layout. And the state will help chop off her piece fatter and alimony to the eyeballs will write to the grave board. Children are of course the "flowers of life", but with such a system of approach from one man, children are more unlikely to appear (neither apartments nor money will be enough). So the very system of paying child support is the most serious factor restraining population growth. I understand now the howl of voices will rise, they say so they say, and so obliged ... So we are all children of nature, and we live according to its laws. When they are distorted and distorted artificially, this does not bode well for society. For some reason I didn’t hear that lionesses cast out a lion for pretty lionesses. In addition, the offspring are simply doomed if the lion is expelled. And do not think that in America or Europe, bearded women are frustrated because they are insanely beautiful. Not at all, because the bearded women will not give birth and the child support will not be hung on you and they will not be driven out of your own home forever in favor of the children. This is the paradox: the more legislatively and socially protected a woman is, the less she seeks to start a family and even give birth to children. Well, they don’t want it. I don’t want to mention here about our brother a drunkard and just idiots in his pants. The question was raised about the destruction of families as a social phenomenon, and without it, no population growth will be possible. And there will simply be no one to sit in the brand new “Armata” and fly on Sushki, even if they will be in abundance.
    1. Susul 3 November 2015 10: 03 New
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      Capital manners ...
      The capital in Russia has always been more than Europe =)
      That in tsarist times, French was spoiled better than the French, that now, by the number of gays and lesbians, a bugger parade in Amsterdam =)