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Thoughts out loud, or who in Russia still live well

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In our country, every citizen, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, has the right to freedom of speech. Recently, in social networks I read one interesting opinion of a man who admonishes military retirees that they “whine” because they do not increase their military pension. Because it is already quite high and military pensioners are not the poorest.


I also want to use my constitutional right and, as a veteran of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, a major reserve, I cannot agree with the phrase “whine” and that it (the pension) is quite high. I know for sure that we didn’t “ache” when the lieutenants from dawn to dusk spent time not with my family, but in the barracks. When from the comfort we only had the soldiers' beds and mattresses in the old, out-of-date houses, and everything else was on the street. When did the standards for "officer triathlon: water, firewood, slop." When weekends and holidays were weekdays for us. When in the 90s we were not paid a monthly allowance for the 3 – 4 of the month, and we didn’t go out into the square and didn’t knock on the asphalt with helmets. We really had other helmets. And they did their duty to protect their homeland and their people, according to the oath taken. And this is not pathos. It is a fact of life.

“Pensioners make up a quarter of the population of Russia, and, according to experts, for many of them pension payments are the main, almost indispensable source of their income ...” - Vladimir Putin once said.

Pension payments to military pensioners are determined by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 7 in May 2012 of the year No. 604 “On the further improvement of military service in the Russian Federation” and the Federal Law of February 12 of 1993 of the year No. 4468-I “On the provision of pensions to military service personnel cases, the State Fire Service, drug and psychotropic substances control authorities, institutions and bodies of the penitentiary system, and their families. ”

So, my pension on 30 September 2015, 14 440 rub. This is with the 20-year service. By the resolution of the Kursk region administration No. 423 in the region, the minimum subsistence basket in the second quarter of 2015 of the year was set at 7123 rubles. Then, after paying for the gas meter, water, electricity, and other utility services, in the end, it remains in the hands of about 3000 rubles. Answer yourself: a big pension?

Again, Federal Law No. 4468-I has limited the payment of a full and well-deserved pension of military retirees to the size of 54%. And the remaining 46% is planned to pay, adding on 2,5% annually. I will return to this accrual system below. By limiting pensions, the State Duma deputies, apparently, made an exception for certain categories of servicemen. For example, participants of the Second World War. After all, members of the Russian government headed by the prime minister, deputies of the State Duma, especially during the Victory Day celebration - 9 in May, claim that they are in indebted debt to the veterans' feat and will do everything to make the rest of their lives worthy.

In fact, they did not make such an exception. If we consider that the youngest veteran is only 90 years old, then in 120 years they will receive a fully deserved retirement pension. If it were so, I would be more happy than others, because my father, a participant in the Great Patriotic War - 90 years. Unfortunately, no exceptions were made to participants in the hostilities in Afghanistan, Chechnya, South Ossetia, and others.

So maybe no one ever made an exception? Alas. Made. I quote: “an exception is for judges of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation and military courts, prosecutors (including military personnel of the military prosecutor’s office) and employees of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation (including military investigative bodies of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation), retired persons from the above persons and members their families. " I think for this category have made such an exception for their "high professionalism." Only they did not see the corpus delicti of the former Russian defense minister, Anatoly Serdyukov, who was allegedly misled by his subordinates.

Now about the 2,5% indexing, which I mentioned earlier. 1 January 2015, all military retirees did not see an increase in their retirement benefits, according to the law. How? Why? After all, both the president and the prime minister on television say that social programs will be implemented in full. I began to understand. It turns out everything is legal. Deputies of the State Duma, their colleagues from the Federation Council of the Russian Federation adopted an amendment to the Federal Law “On the suspension of part of 2 Art. 43 of the Russian Federation "On the pension provision of persons serving in the military, serving in the internal affairs bodies, the State Fire Service, the narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances control agencies, institutions and bodies of the penitentiary system, and their families" in connection with the Federal Law “On the Federal Budget for 2015 year and for the planning period of 2016 and 2017”, which was adopted by the State Duma of the Russian Federation on November 21 and approved by the Federation Council of November 26 on 2014. In a word, there is no money for us, military pensioners. Indexing will not be. And you know what the rationale? From the transcript of the meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation: “The bill was introduced by the Deputy Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation, Leonid Gornin, who said that thanks to the proposed changes, the military pension would increase 1,65 times.” What is it like? Without increasing by 2,5% - increase in 1,65 times.

Add 100 thousand of salaries to deputies have money, pay monthly in the state corporation Rosneft to its head the salary of 20 million rubles. - there is money. I have one monthly salary without a bonus, it would be enough to live smartly until the end of my life.

I understand that in the country for objective and subjective reasons, the financial and economic situation is very difficult. I think we could not pay attention to this fact. Provided that if the deputies, state and municipal employees would start with themselves. Refusing not to 10% of their salaries. Provided that all the rest would not be indexed. And now, our ministers are looking for ways to save money by increasing the retirement age, freezing citizens' pension deposits, and reducing indexation. There is not a single offer to cut labor costs and other expenses of all officials in 2 – 3. From the TV screen only says - optimize. At the same time, the draft budget for the 2016 year is again going to increase expenditures in DG and SF and not 1 – 2%, but 10 times more. Can the "servants of the people" live better than the people themselves? Apparently they can.

Ahead of the question: where to get the money? Criticize easily. I answer.

The “saved” money from cuts of our pensions almost 2 should have remained. Reduce significantly the salaries of officials and reduce the bureaucratic apparatus by at least 25 – 30%. Only having reduced, not to arrange them in other state or municipal bodies, and as mere mortals - on the labor exchange, in the center of employment. Let them try to find work like ordinary people, especially if their age will be more than 45 years. To run with the issued “runner” and then try to explain why citizens do not want to work as loaders, janitors and janitors with two higher educations. To adjust the salaries of employees of state corporations. In private companies, their own business. They spend their personal earned money. And on the salary of officials go money from taxes, which we deduct. To return the money stolen by various officials, and this is several billion rubles, and others.

There is also a reserve. Most of the officers go to stock in 45 years. The main part after the dismissal continues to work. From them, as well as from all employees, the FNT transfers 22% to the Pension Fund. Let roughly calculate. According to Rosstat, military pensioners are about 40 million people. Suppose that after the dismissal, the entire 20 million began to work. Suppose they have a salary of 15 000 rubles. per month. That is, monthly from the payroll of working military pensioners to the Pension Fund of Russia 60 billion rubles is deducted. And multiply by 12 months, but also by 15 years, it’s just that the stock officer needs to work to start getting a second pension in 60 years, on average 1500 rubles. Where do these contributions go, to whom are they paid, if they are not paid to servicemen?

And the last. With these questions, only on a larger scale, I wrote in writing to the President of the Russian Federation as the guarantor of the Constitution, in the State Duma of the Russian Federation, in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Answers in the form of formal replies received from the presidential administration and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
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  1. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 1 November 2015 14: 49 New
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    Hmm ... Again, the topic popped up.
    And who is to live well in Russia? :)
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 1 November 2015 15: 17 New
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      EVERYONE!
      Who feels and understands what is good and what is bad!

      PS: I completely agree with the article, I do not whine!

      Another P.S .:
      I wrote in writing to the President of the Russian Federation as the guarantor of the Constitution, in the State Duma of the Russian Federation, in the Russian Ministry of Defense. I received answers in the form of unsubscribes from the apparatus of the president and the Russian Defense Ministry.
      too!
      1. Byordovvv1
        Byordovvv1 1 November 2015 16: 20 New
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        "П.С.: Со статьёи полностью согласен, не ною!"
        Judging by what is stated in the article, her real officer writes and he does not whine, but reports! Moreover, he is trying to solve the problem and offers ways to solve it. And you dear Baikonur (5) watch your bazaar!
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 1 November 2015 16: 57 New
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          Still, I’ll answer and ask:
          The author says:
          I also want to use my constitutional right and, as a veteran of the RF Armed Forces, a reserve major, I cannot agree with the wording “whine” and that it (pension) is quite high. I know for sure that we did not "whine"
          Я сказал : "не ною"
          I’m also a major and I know what I’m talking about!
          What is wrong with my solidarity with his words?
          And the fact that I also wrote a letter and received unsubscribe!

          AND!? What bazaar should I follow? You probably didn’t read the article carefully.
          With respect!
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 2 November 2015 08: 30 New
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          Quote: Byordovvv1
          And you dear Baikonur (5) watch your bazaar!

          Dear Baikonur has not been following his market for a long time. He, like my guys since the 75th year. They remember my spaceport (but they don’t remember at all, hazing, the dominance of the Kazakhs, in general, nothing good). And dear Baikonur is proud that he served there. Well, yes, major, did not see (or did not want to see) what was going on below his high sixth.
        3. go21zd45few
          go21zd45few 2 November 2015 10: 52 New
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          I completely agree with the author, since he himself served 20 in the USSR army. Wrote
          the president’s reception, by e-mail, the answer came: Your appeal will be considered in accordance with the law of the Russian Federation, and silence. But see our state. the authorities and due to what they are going to increase the salary of state Duma officials by 50%. Reducing the indexation of pensions to 4% due to savings they increase the salary of officials, instead of reducing the salaries of the Duma and the ministries decided to correct the financial situation of officials due to the most disadvantaged layer of the population .
      2. Maj.
        Maj. 1 November 2015 18: 40 New
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        those who ... there, you know where
      3. Vovan 73
        Vovan 73 3 November 2015 06: 55 New
        +5
        I fully support the author of the article. The major reserve himself has 18 calendars behind him, a veteran of the DB Pension 15222 rubles. Until now, I can’t get from the state the statutory 20 acres of land for the cottage. Even here, the state threw.
    2. bastard
      bastard 1 November 2015 15: 55 New
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      Quote: Alcoholic
      Hmm ... Again, the topic popped up.
      And who is to live well in Russia? :)

      Let us turn to the classics for clarification:

      Roman said: to the landowner,
      Demyan said: to the official,
      Luke said: ass.
      Cupina Tolpoi! -
      Said the brothers Gubina,
      Ivan and Mitrodor.
      Old Man groined with Pakhom
      And he said, looking into the earth:
      To the noble boyar,
      To the Minister of the Tsar.
      But Prov said to the king ...
      1. jktu66
        jktu66 1 November 2015 23: 50 New
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        Old Man groined with Pakhom
        What did the old man bother ?? smile
        1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 3 November 2015 09: 14 New
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          Bent = strained. I think he thought to himself what Prov said out loud, and said only about the boyars. At that time, I think that the landlords lived the best: there was no responsibility, live for your own pleasure, you just don’t need to relax at all, but now the children of the elite live best while their parents are at work.
    3. Civil
      Civil 1 November 2015 16: 08 New
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      This is all the State Department does! This is a gay plot in the West!
      1. WERSTA.
        WERSTA. 1 November 2015 18: 39 New
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        Я уже целых 15 лет "участвую в заговоре США по подрыву устойчивости нашей пенсионной системы".Но чувства юмора слава Богу не лишился.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 2 November 2015 16: 27 New
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        Yeah ... I feel like a malicious criminal who cannot be corrected until 95 years old. Then I’ll fix it.
      3. Lenin
        Lenin 3 November 2015 21: 40 New
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        Why are you really a little so buggers, buggers have nothing to do with it. It’s just that those who are in our government do not have the will and courage. Here is even the granny in the photo in the article, speaking to government husbands, says and accompanies gestures: WHAT ARE YOU FOR SUCH HUSBANDS? YOUR DECISIONS ARE ALSO VITABLE AND SMALL AS YOUR DIGNITY. hi
    4. 222222
      222222 1 November 2015 16: 38 New
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      “... It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of society that would ensure all members of the society comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active workers in social development, so that they have the opportunity to freely choose profession, and not be confined for life, due to the existing division of labor, to one of any profession.
      What is required for this? It would be wrong to think that it is possible to achieve such a serious cultural growth of members of society without major changes in the current situation of labor. To do this, first of all, reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education. For this, it is necessary, further, to introduce compulsory polytechnical training, which is necessary so that members of the society have the opportunity to freely choose a profession and not be confined for life to one profession. For this, it is necessary, further, to radically improve housing conditions and raise the real wages of workers and employees at least twice, if not more, both by directly raising the wage and, especially, by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods. These are the basic conditions for preparing the transition to communism. ”

      © Stalin I.V. - Economic problems of socialism in the USSR

      “Comrade Stalin sets the great task of achieving a 5-hour working day. If we achieve this, it will be a great revolution. He started work at nine - at 2 o'clock it's already over, without a break. Lunch - and free time. We will bypass this capitalism, they cannot do it that way, give them profit, and the workers — and how can the Russians live well for 5 hours?
      No, give us also socialism and Soviet Power, we also want to live like people. This will be the peaceful offensive of communism. ” “Communism is possible if the number of communists grows in life, not for fear, not for a prize, but for conscience - those who are interested in working and living, who know how to work and relax, but not so much, while dancing, but with soul, to develop. " “Sport is a must for everyone; if the working day is 5 hours - that's enough for everything, you will need to learn all your life. 10 years have passed - again sit down for a couple of months at the desk, remember the history, geography. And if you know - pass the exam and walk these two months. We don’t need ignoramuses, we need communists without exception, and what kind of communist are you, if you don’t know anything and grab your heart at forty? We didn’t have time, but you have, come on, develop, dear, the Soviet Power has given you, use it and strengthen it yourself. ” “And so - all over the world”

      © From the records of L.P. Beria.

      .................................
      ..Prokhorov in the 2012 elections proposed to make a 12-hour working day, which would supposedly raise the country's GDP ......
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 1 November 2015 17: 41 New
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        Quote: 222222
        Prokhorov in the 2012 election proposed a 12-hour working day


        And this same prokhorov ever actually WORKED (at least a designer, at least a machinist, at least an engineer, at least an assembly fitter on a conveyor belt, or a tractor-combine harvester)?
        NO, it didn’t work, in exactly the same way as the Duma parasites adopting such laws as the ministerial liberal traitors seeking the terrible People’s Maidan! Lost shores (or fear lost) villains?
        1. Constructor1
          Constructor1 1 November 2015 18: 39 New
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          I drove to various shops today and watched a rather sad picture ...
          If there are still buyers in large grocery hypermarkets and even no more than 30% of the number that a couple of months ago, then there are only one buyer of sellers of household appliances in 10 stores, and he went into the shopping center, it became really sad - completely empty , only in cafes you can see people ...
          Prices soared in three, salaries fell ... how does it end? am
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 1 November 2015 20: 07 New
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            Quote: Designer 1
            Prices soared in three, salaries fell ... how does it end?

            Who knows what will end ... But traffic jams in the streets have not diminished! hi
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 1 November 2015 20: 28 New
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              Quote: Bayonet
              Who knows what will end ... But traffic jams in the streets have not diminished!

              Yes, not everything is great. I went here today to buy a bread store at the same time asked why sellers were half as much. It turned out to be reduced. Probably because of prosperity in no way otherwise. Relative less than a year before retirement was reduced. Another relative was also reduced, but he is looking for a younger job. The economy is on the rise, who would doubt it.
            2. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 3 November 2015 20: 52 New
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              So a CAR is something that cannot be abandoned at all! Without it, literally everything will stop and you will not have time! smile
          2. skazochnik
            skazochnik 2 November 2015 03: 19 New
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            Quote: Designer 1
            I drove to various shops today and watched a rather sad picture ...
            If there are still buyers in large grocery hypermarkets and even no more than 30% of the number that a couple of months ago, then there are only one buyer of sellers of household appliances in 10 stores, and he went into the shopping center, it became really sad - completely empty , only in cafes you can see people ...
            Prices soared in three, salaries fell ... how does it end? am


            Quietly, without panic, this will end with what it should have been 12-15 years ago, if not for the high oil prices. Namely, a change in the country's leadership and socio-economic course, there are several options: 1 resignation of the president and government and the appointment of early presidential elections; 2 the resignation of the president and the appointment of the successor of the president’s interim president before the early elections; 3 coup d'etat (struggle of clans, elite power groups); 4 revolution from below. (Perhaps with socialist slogans). Moreover, even if one of the first three scenarios happens, after some short time point 4 is all the same. My such a vision.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 2 November 2015 16: 36 New
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              А зря минусы ставите, любое терпение народа имеет предел. Можно терпеть ради высокой идеи и цели к которой идем всем народом. Но где эти идеи? И где эта цель, ради которой можно стать Павкой Корчагиным? Уж не набивание ли кошельков "нашей" "элиты" либиральной?
              1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                Uncle VasyaSayapin 3 November 2015 11: 11 New
                +3
                Nobody will cancel the president, the maximum will be changed by part of the government and the prime minister. A revolution will mean the complete collapse of the state. Therefore, it is not yet in sight. There are not many people in the elite who believe that they can save their stolen or earned capital in the West. So everyone will try to save the state. If it comes to unauthorized rallies and riots, the elite will move a little and throw a bone from the master's table to the people. This is maximum.
            2. Yars
              Yars 3 November 2015 21: 16 New
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              Quote: skazochnik
              Quote: Designer 1
              I drove to various shops today and watched a rather sad picture ...
              If there are still buyers in large grocery hypermarkets and even no more than 30% of the number that a couple of months ago, then there are only one buyer of sellers of household appliances in 10 stores, and he went into the shopping center, it became really sad - completely empty , only in cafes you can see people ...
              Prices soared in three, salaries fell ... how does it end? am


              Quietly, without panic, this will end with what it should have been 12-15 years ago, if not for the high oil prices. Namely, a change in the country's leadership and socio-economic course, there are several options: 1 resignation of the president and government and the appointment of early presidential elections; 2 the resignation of the president and the appointment of the successor of the president’s interim president before the early elections; 3 coup d'etat (struggle of clans, elite power groups); 4 revolution from below. (Perhaps with socialist slogans). Moreover, even if one of the first three scenarios happens, after some short time point 4 is all the same. My such a vision.

              не зря ник у вас "сказочник". Революцию хотите?! Спасибо, Россия уже не раз после революций доходила до белого колена!
        2. tank64rus
          tank64rus 1 November 2015 22: 02 New
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          У Прохорова папа в ЦК КПСС был зарубежным спортом заведовал. Ну и не упустили своего в нужное время. Поэтому можно и 12 часовом дне поговорить. Кстати как насчёт прогрессивного налога ведь сразу столько воплей среди "слуг народа", а ведь это могло решить много проблем ,но пока шкуру предпочитают драть с простых людей.
          1. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 2 November 2015 04: 35 New
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            Wait, all is not lost. Next year in April, we suddenly learn with surprise how poor our leaders are. And that it is not even subject to verification that the poor. But for some reason, the country completely belongs to officials. It seems that everything is done for us, but the problem of running is even faster. Even to dispute that this is really not desirable. All of you remember the Presidential Decree on the Allocation of New Housing to WWII Veterans. There are so many obstacles, how many grievances, and this is a direct Decree. you yourself probably watched through the mailbox how old men poked around on officials. And the most interesting is that our cute legislation laid so many mines behind this simple decision. This box was also shown and voiced. And how many more simple wretches besiege cabinets. Obviously, there are still By-Laws on any law, they seem to have written everything, and applying them can be said to many of you and the article has been denied for whatever reason. You can certainly go to court. whoever dealt with this issue knows how it is very difficult to prove his case.
          2. go21zd45few
            go21zd45few 2 November 2015 10: 56 New
            +1
            But it is very dangerous to rip off the skin of an unkilled bear.
        3. tank64rus
          tank64rus 1 November 2015 22: 02 New
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          У Прохорова папа в ЦК КПСС был зарубежным спортом заведовал. Ну и не упустили своего в нужное время. Поэтому можно и 12 часовом дне поговорить. Кстати как насчёт прогрессивного налога ведь сразу столько воплей среди "слуг народа", а ведь это могло решить много проблем ,но пока шкуру предпочитают драть с простых людей.
        4. goose
          goose 2 November 2015 12: 20 New
          +7
          Everything fits into the salary, if I received about 12 thousand euros per month for a 5-hour working day, that would be normal. But Prokhorov wants to pay exactly that so as not to die of hunger, instead of buying a machine and putting one person with a normal salary.
        5. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 2 November 2015 17: 55 New
          +1
          Глупый вопрос :" А кого им бояться?".
          1. Stelth1985
            Stelth1985 3 November 2015 07: 51 New
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            Leader and Army.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 1 November 2015 18: 40 New
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        Quote: 222222
        ..Prokhorov in the 2012 elections proposed to make a 12-hour working day, which would supposedly raise the country's GDP ...

        Lying is bad! Prokhorov proposed to allow officially, to work more (at the request of the employee !!!) so that a person could earn more at his workplace, and not run to the side of extra work! You either did not read or deliberately distort! For what ? To confuse and embitter others?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 1 November 2015 20: 04 New
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          Quote: Bayonet
          Lying is bad!

          “So they say those who have not even read our amendments,” Prokhorov said in response to a question that he led by a working group of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (RSPP) proposed to allow a working week of 60 hours.
          “The only thing that makes me happy is because of this story, people began to pay attention to the Labor Code, which they had hardly known before. So, I explain Hochma about the 12-hour work day, which I supposedly propose to introduce, ”continued Prokhorov. - We were asked not by employers, but by work collectives, so that we would introduce this amendment. So that the employee of his own free will could take part-time according to his specialty at his workplace. The amendment is elementary. And we were inflated so that, they say, we are against overtime and generally want everyone to work for free. ”
          1. voffchik7691
            voffchik7691 1 November 2015 20: 44 New
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            So with us always, everything is only at the request of the working people !!!
            Я за свои сверхурочные, по своей специальности и на своём рабочем месте, всегда получал оплату, а вот если введут 12 часовой рабочий день, то прощай оплата за сверхурочные! А давайте теперь посчитаем сколько людей пахали на этого "добродетеля", и каждому не надо теперь платить сверхурочные. Вот за это он и ратовал!!!
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 2 November 2015 06: 41 New
              +4
              Bayonet (5)
              From a quote from billionaire Prokhorov
              We were asked not by employers, but by working groups, so that we would introduce this amendment.
              Prokhorov is a cunning beast! He would have more profit!
              But did he think about the safety of work and the reduction in the life expectancy of these hard workers in this mode of work? Not to mention other actual cutbacks in the real well-being of their families! Or is it all these hard workers who are foreign labor migrants who come to Russia temporarily when they like and leave when they want - and not the Russians?
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 2 November 2015 07: 36 New
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              Quote: voffchik7691
              , but if you enter a 12 hour business day

              Before you write this, all the same, turn on your head! No one was going to introduce a mandatory 12 hour working day !!! Talk about officially letting work more WISHED (!!!!!!!) employee! At my work, two young guys also go to a construction site, install a fire system for a second job, and if they had the opportunity to work more in the main place, why would they need this hemorrhoids? What do you repeat nonsense for all kinds of provocateurs?
              1. alekc75
                alekc75 3 November 2015 11: 16 New
                +5
                you need to get normal money for 8 hours
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 4 November 2015 07: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: alekc75
                  you need to get normal money for 8 hours

                  Деньги надо зарабатывать, а кое кому лишь бы ни хрена не делать, а получать побольше - "нормальные деньги".
            3. Bayonet
              Bayonet 2 November 2015 09: 04 New
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              Quote: voffchik7691
              , but if they introduce a 12 hour working day,

              It is useless to explain request
              "Пускай живешь ты дворником - родишься вновь прорабом,
              And after you grow from a superintendent to a minister, -
              But if you are dumb like a tree, you will be born a baobab
              И будешь баобабом тыщу лет, пока помрешь."

              Vysotsky was right! hi
              1. Oleko
                Oleko 2 November 2015 16: 18 New
                +4
                Oh
                Quote: Bayonet

                Bayonet
                (5)

                Today, 09: 04

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                Цитата: voffchik7691, а вот если введут 12 часовой рабочий день,Объяснять бесполезно "Пускай живешь ты дворником - родишься вновь прорабом, А после из прораба до министра дорастешь,- Но, если туп, как дерево - родишься баобабом И будешь баобабом тыщу лет, пока помрешь." Прав был Высоцкий

                Bayonet, I do not complain about 10,5 tr civil pension, there was a warning from you, I do not make a complaint. This is not a pick. The pension is mine
                goes for rent and a little bit for food for two. Earns a wife. High-class design specialist. Yesterday we made a project for which the customer pays 15 tr. This is hack. And he works for a company headed by caperang, Ph.D., Dubov. The firm is afloat, although hard. We have a criminal code in the house. You can’t imagine any better. The director, Alexander Nikolaevich, Marine, hoisted the Banner of Russia in Chechnya, Hero of Russia, everything was rotten, now it’s the turn to the management company.
                Ребята, военные пенсионеры, платят вам копейки. Но это лучше, чем получать 40 т., как у одного военмора с АПЛ, разговорились в Шереметьево, он закашлялся, кашель страшный. " 40 тысяч просто так не платят" сказал он. И доза радиации и прочее. Напоследок: кавторанг Василий (фамилии не называю, не уполномачивал) - пенсия 27 т.р, кавторанг Анатолий - 28 т.р, сказали, зависит от должности.
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 2 November 2015 18: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: Oleko
                  Bayonet, I do not complain about 10,5 tr civil pension, there was a warning from you, I do not make a complaint.

                  Sorry, but I didn’t understand something, what is the warning? And I didn’t write anything about pensions ... what
                  1. afdjhbn67
                    afdjhbn67 4 November 2015 03: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    Sorry, but I didn’t understand what warning

                    C'mon, you’re scaring pensioners already .. laughing
                    1. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 4 November 2015 07: 13 New
                      +1
                      Quote: afdjhbn67
                      C'mon, you’re scaring pensioners already ..

                      What am I to inject? I have been retired for 7 years and have been working, not sleeping. hi
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            4. goose
              goose 2 November 2015 12: 21 New
              +3
              In Europe, officially a 7-hour work day. Lunch is included in these 7 hours and ranges from 15 to 30 minutes.
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 3 November 2015 21: 05 New
                0
                In Latvia, officially a 40-hour work week and lunch from half an hour are not included there! Maybe the French and the southerners so, but not in the north!
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 04: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Bayonet
            Lying is bad

            Sanya with some kind of direct pleasure - I put you a minus ...
            Уф, аж полегчало.. начинаю некоторых "минусаторов" понимать laughing
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 2 November 2015 07: 39 New
              -3
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              . начинаю некоторых "минусаторов" понимать

              You didn’t understand anything, but you repeat the nonsense of the provocateurs! I turn the minus, thanks, and so enough hi
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 07: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Bayonet
                You didn’t understand anything, but you repeat the nonsense of provocateurs

                Well, Prokhorov has never been a style icon for me ..
                And minus call hi ..I am constantly constantly correcting your cons from those who do not stick into your humor .. drinks
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 2 November 2015 08: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  And minus call

                  Thank you! hi
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          4. NordUral
            NordUral 2 November 2015 16: 43 New
            +9
            And the worker, snickering at his workplace with a HUGE salary, wanted to earn even more and ran after the prokhorovs with a tearful request, let me earn even more. Oh well! The machine-makers wanted something for me and earned well (by agreement of the parties) for an 8-hour working day and were not eager to work another four hours in the evening or on weekends. And I know that it was worth them to work overtime for an extra salary even. So, do not lie with Prokhorov.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 2 November 2015 18: 54 New
              -3
              Quote: NordUral
              The machine-makers wanted something for me and earned well (by agreement of the parties) for an 8-hour working day and were not eager to work another four hours in the evening or on weekends.

              And who was going to force them ??? Do you really don’t understand what it is about or pretend to be?
          5. cast iron
            cast iron 4 November 2015 02: 23 New
            +1
            Какой умный упырь этот Прохоров)) Дело в том, что сверхурочный час в будние дни оплачивается по ставке 150% от зарплаты за день. А наш упырь пытается эти самые сверхурочные часы оплачивать по 50% от зарплаты за день. Цитата: "Чтобы работник по собственному желанию мог взять полставки по своей специальности на своем рабочем месте".

            And now the question. You really don’t understand why Prokhorov came up with all this? Or you can honestly say that you support a greedy ghoul.

            p.s. Последние лет 12 огромное количество людей итак работают по 10-12 часов в день и при этом никаких сверхурочных они от капиталистов-владельцев не получают, а если кто то и заикается о них, то строптивому "Лентяю" тут же ищут замену.

            pps In Soviet times, there was a vicious practice of working in some areas before losing heart rate without any overtime.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 4 November 2015 11: 29 New
              0
              Quote: cast iron
              А наш упырь пытается эти самые сверхурочные часы оплачивать по 50% от зарплаты за день. Цитата: "Чтобы работник по собственному желанию мог взять полставки по своей специальности на своем рабочем месте".

              Not at all! If you get, earn (for example!) 100 rubles per hour, then with an eight-hour working day you will get 800 rubles., And with a 12-hour day - 1200 m. The difference is the same 50%. And at your request, 800 is enough - work for 8 hours, no one is forcing! Where is durilovka here? request
              1. cast iron
                cast iron 5 November 2015 01: 38 New
                0
                How lovely! If now I am required by law to receive 4% per hour for an additional 8 hours beyond the 150-hour shift, then Prokhorov proposes to exclude the extra charge for overtime at all))) It's expensive! ))))
        2. IS-80
          IS-80 1 November 2015 20: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          Lying is bad! Prokhorov proposed to allow officially, to work more (at the request of the employee !!!) so that a person could earn more at his workplace, and not run to the side of extra work! You either did not read or deliberately distort! For what ? To confuse and embitter others?

          Damned agents of the State Department and then dug in. laughing Why work more? Are we not a European power? Vaughn Sweden goes over for a 6-hour working day, but what are we worse? fellow
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 3 November 2015 21: 07 New
            0
            He worked in Sweden six years ago, local people worked 8 hours a day.
        3. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 1 November 2015 20: 35 New
          12
          Лично я и до этого "добродетеля" работал каждый день 8 + 3 часа. И мне его предложение совершенно не было нужно. А вот он это предлагал не для того что бы мне лучше жилось, а для того что бы еще больше выжать из рабочих последние соки. Только если я сверхурочно могу остаться или нет(как захочу), то в случае если бы его идея прошла, я был бы обязан эти 3 часа отпахать на его благо!!!
          If he was so worried about my well-being, then maybe he shouldn’t have taken the girls of easy virtue to Courchevel by air, but he would have helped ordinary people about whom he worries so much ?!
          1. Lekov L
            Lekov L 2 November 2015 01: 36 New
            -8
            Violated the labor laws. The total duration of the working month.
            I understand that they are breaking everything, but this is just a reason to bring the law to reality.
            The question is in the form of a law.
            Sincerely.
            1. cast iron
              cast iron 4 November 2015 02: 28 New
              +1
              In Russia, laws do not work. Try to shake the rights of the private capitalist. And he will quickly find a replacement for you for a 10-12 hour work day without overtime.
        4. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 22: 18 New
          +7
          Quote: Bayonet
          Lying is bad! Prokhorov proposed to allow officially, to work more (at the request of the employee !!!) so that a person could earn more at his workplace, and not run to the side of extra work! You either did not read or deliberately distort! For what ? To confuse and embitter others?

          Well, well, what, haven't future retirees been offered to work yet, so that in the near future the pension would be higher? The same divorce as Prokhorov.
        5. NordUral
          NordUral 2 November 2015 16: 38 New
          0
          The source of your good news, please refer.
        6. saltickov.
          saltickov. 4 November 2015 07: 01 New
          0
          Oh, it turns out how good he cares about us, but we fools did not understand. We just give a cry, and there you can see the obligation. In general, the watered technologies worked, one bad, the other good vibe.
      3. Ajevgenij
        Ajevgenij 1 November 2015 21: 09 New
        +7
        I know for myself that it’s very collected and concentrated to work 4 hours, an hour break, 4 hours is very difficult and not always necessary. In principle, what 70 percent. I do the work 2,5 hours before lunch and 2 hours after lunch, the rest of the time is warming up. Sometimes it’s just necessary to break away from work and switch to something else. Allows to avoid mistakes. So a 6-hour working day is quite effective. If to work at full capacity, it can very well be. My profession is building design.
        1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 3 November 2015 12: 07 New
          +3
          I worked for a company where I had a 10 hour work day and six days. When I arrived on the first day, it seemed that everyone was terribly slow, barely walking. But already on the third day I stopped noticing it. The entire amount of work in this company could be done in 8 hours 5 days a week and people would be more satisfied with the work. I support you.
        2. cast iron
          cast iron 4 November 2015 02: 32 New
          0
          А я вот геодезистом на стройке работаю и времени за 8-10 часов на обед не всегда хватает - только и успевай бегать, делать съемки, разбивки а потом и исполнительные схемы в Аутокаде. И проектировщиков зданий я не очень, т.к. нам постоянно приходят "проекты" с кучей ошибок и несовпадением размеров, хотя и стоит печать "в производство работ". А потом геодез в свое рабочее время сидит и репу чешет от того, что размеры утвержденных чертежах не сходятся. )))) Возможно все оттого, что кто то все делает за 2 часа, экономя на самоконтроле качества и выявлении ошибок? ))
      4. bastard
        bastard 1 November 2015 21: 24 New
        -1
        Quote: 222222
        “... It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of society that would ensure all members of the society comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to get an education. . . To do this, first of all, reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. I.V. Stalin

        Quote: 222222
        We don’t need ignoramuses, we need communists without exception, and what kind of communist are you, if you don’t know anything and grab your heart at forty? We didn’t have time, but you have, come on, develop, dear, the Soviet Power has given you, use it and strengthen it yourself ”L. P. Beria

        " Палачи, убийцы, сатрапы, человеконенавистники, тираны, людоеды . . . и т. д., всё это было достигнуто неприемлемой ценой . . ."
        The current Russian government led by. . . .
      5. 2s1122
        2s1122 1 November 2015 21: 41 New
        +1
        According to Mikhail Zadornov. Everyone who has talents works as artists, artists, engineers, and so on. And those who have no ability to become officials like Prokhorov.
      6. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 1 November 2015 21: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: 222222
        Prokhorov in the 2012 election proposed a 12-hour working day to supposedly raise the country's GDP
        Prokhorov, Mikhail Dmitrievich.

        2006 - Order of Friendship for contribution to the development of the economic potential of Russia.

        2014 - Medal of the Order "For Merit to the Fatherland", I degree.
        1. asiat_61
          asiat_61 2 November 2015 05: 02 New
          0
          Medal of the order, how is it?
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 2 November 2015 08: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: Uncle Joe
          Order of Friendship


          Quote: Uncle Joe
          Medal


          Our accolades are used to scattering right and left. Soon they will generally give out just for the frequent appearance on the TV screen. And if you think about it, then many artists received awards precisely for this (or maybe for a bribe).
      7. Gulo
        Gulo 2 November 2015 00: 23 New
        +2
        I read a book in childhood, I don’t remember the name, from a series of fiction. So there people lived just like that
        According to Comrade Stalin: free work, free study, the great responsibility of everyone for everyone and everything. This can and will happen (which is unlikely) and in 200 years. And now, as there was no justice, it will not be very long. You will not drive anyone away from the feeder.
        And who lives in Russia well ...? Read the history of the Russian state.
      8. NordUral
        NordUral 2 November 2015 16: 32 New
        +5
        I’ll say what I’ve been thinking about for a long time. Namely - the Stalinist post-war period until the end of the 50s was the peak of our country. And if our criminal elite in the second half of the 80s did not hang capitalist noodles on our ears and we were not such idiots, then there would be no reason for such articles.
        And we would not find out if we would become the first economy of the world with a well-equipped people. We would simply be the first and live in prosperity. But they led the bull to slaughter, and he also rejoiced. Such are the things.
      9. 2ez
        2ez 3 November 2015 13: 55 New
        0
        Это кто тут "кровавый" режим-тиранию вспомнил? Самое страшное в нашей жизни - чиновники! А не капиталисты! Этих можно хоть на вилы насадить, революцию устроить, проходили, (если уже совсем прижмёт). А вот "крапивное" семя невозможно извести... Они рулят,и будут, увы, рулить. Сталина на них нет сейчас...
      10. Signore Tomato
        Signore Tomato 3 November 2015 22: 40 New
        0
        To do this, you must first reduce the working day at least to 6, and then to 5 hours.


        It was for this that the Jewish clique killed Stalin with the help of a hole in the mouth - a corncob.
      11. asher
        asher 4 November 2015 14: 46 New
        0
        Eternal Glory to Comrade Stalin !!!
    5. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 1 November 2015 19: 02 New
      +5
      So N.A. Nekrasov answered this question 150 years ago:
      "...
      Roman said: to the landowner,
      Demyan said: to the official,
      Luke said: ass.
      Cupina Tolpoi! -
      Said the brothers Gubina,
      Ivan and Mitrodor.
      Old Man groined with Pakhom
      And he said, looking into the earth:
      To the noble boyar,
      To the Minister of the Tsar.
      А Пров сказал: царю....."

      http://az.lib.ru/n/nekrasow_n_a/text_0290.shtml
      1. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 2 November 2015 18: 17 New
        0
        We did not carefully read the classics, the quote was torn from the original source!
      2. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 2 November 2015 18: 17 New
        0
        We did not carefully read the classics, the quote was torn from the original source!
    6. seos
      seos 1 November 2015 20: 18 New
      +9
      Well, it’s hard to call the budget expenditures fair ... the loot goes to the bloated bureaucracy, including the very contents of the Pension Fund, in Pendonistan the population is bigger and the Pension Fund is 2 times less. And the Budget is looking for reserves by cutting pensions ... rather than, say, paying billions to parties for votes.
    7. Sweles
      Sweles 1 November 2015 21: 33 New
      25
      Well, to whom, to whom? clearly to whom.
    8. varov14
      varov14 2 November 2015 08: 43 New
      +2
      Based on the given, the privatizers of power live a mercifully merry, conclusion ... do not complain.
    9. forest park 86
      forest park 86 3 November 2015 16: 22 New
      -2
      правосеки забашлили сию статейку? вероятно говнопольский писал? а когда простым людям было легко? давай поплачем публично. кто ни разу ничего не украл - поставьте "минус"
  2. -Bugor-
    -Bugor- 1 November 2015 15: 02 New
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    We have a lot of retirement justice .. I knew how the civil servants retired at the age of 65 ... It’s ridiculous ... it’s harder to handle and do not hold anything ... And salaries, taking into account all payments and bonuses, are very not frail, what until 90-100 years does not work? At the same time, pensions make up about 80% of the monthly salary, depending on the length of service, plus honey. service is stored in spec. polyclinics. I’m generally silent about the deputies ... The first two years I have been working for (relatively speaking) the owner, the rest for myself ... I don’t know how now and in 2004 the place was worth ---- million (you can enter the amount yourself) ...
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 1 November 2015 17: 02 New
      14
      Quote: -Bugor-
      We have a lot of retirement justice .. I knew how the civil servants retired at the age of 65 ... It’s ridiculous ... it’s harder to handle and do not hold anything ... And salaries, taking into account all payments and bonuses, are very not frail, what until 90-100 years does not work? At the same time, pensions make up about 80% of the monthly salary, depending on the length of service, plus honey. service is stored in spec. polyclinics. I’m generally silent about the deputies ... The first two years I have been working for (relatively speaking) the owner, the rest for myself ... I don’t know how now and in 2004 the place was worth ---- million (you can enter the amount yourself) ...

      Как говорил когда то мой знакомый, работавший в областной администрации: "Буду работать, пока рука держит авторучку, а глаза видят зарплатную ведомость". А сейчас даже авторучку не нужно держать, главное пин-код от банковской карты не забыть.
    2. your1970
      your1970 1 November 2015 17: 09 New
      24
      A civil servant (26 years of service), the rank is not so hot - referent, income for the last (including all payments) year 221 thousand (average monthly 18 pipes), until retirement 15 years, pension (if I live out) - 6-7-8 thousand ...
      Now answer all to 1 question- why when they talk about civil servants - they all fall into one heap: state officials and municipalities, ministers and secretaries of the 2 class, special services and a line in a regular district clinic, salary of ministers and heads of mine, honest and crooks, retirement age (when you 60 summer already as an employee do not need anyone at all, unlike 45-50) ...
      And the fact that all employees are bribe takers / idiots is generally sacred ....

      Apparently they are forgotten: military registration and enlistment offices, rear officers, commanders of units taking compensation from combat in the Caucasus from conscripts and building houses using economic means, taking lime to their construction site with helicopters for 500 km, financiers, companies collecting money from conscripts for all possible needs, checking of all stripes, a scam with disabilities in special hospitals and travel, and further, further, further ...

      ZY Why military band General Does he command a division, does he solve military tasks? Maybe the rank is too big for him? Who is there in the staff who leads the orchestra to the army as captain? Do you want to emphasize his merits, give the order / raise your salary, and what is the rank here?
      About CSKA / SKA in general I am silent, everything is completely there military who did not see in the eyes of the service
      Про "воду,дрова,помои" - особенно повеселил,он так прожил в удаленном гарнизоне 5 лет и слинял дальше по направлению к центру страны-а местные так всю жизнь живут,3/4 страны так и живет,нам что себе это - в удаль возводить что ли?
      Z.Z.Z. I noticed long ago that those who scream about grief cry about grief ...
      1. corn
        corn 1 November 2015 20: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: your1970
        State employee (26 years of service)

        According to the law on pension for public service (current):
        15 years - 45%
        for each year in excess of 15 - 3%, total: 11 * 3 = 33%
        45 + 33 = 78%, maximum 75%
        18 * 0,75 = 12,6 tyrov.
        Or am I wrong in something?
        For comparison: in order to receive a pension, 75% of a soldier needs to have more than 28 years of service (20 years - 50%, for every year over 20 - 3%), not to mention that the civil servant lives where he wants, and the military man where they order. And today, according to the laws, the pension of a serviceman is approximately 67% of the estimated.
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 November 2015 20: 35 New
          +2
          not so: the retirement age should come-60 / 55 years and 15 years should be at that time. My pension-unlike the military, was run-in a long time ago-the chief specialist expert at retirement receives the fork I mentioned -6-8 thousand ...
          examples of a breakthrough in departments, old people leave, girls with a tower come, unable to write a response to the request correctly
          По поводу "госслужащий живёт, где хочет, а военнослужащий - где прикажут."
          I traveled to a neighboring region for a year, transferred from one state agency to another (salary 24 thousands) - threw: 4 for a room, 1,2 for a parking, 800 travel card - total at the exit of 16 thousand ...
          If I were paid - 75 (as a major) - and I would serve where they ordered, and taking into account the departmental dormitory of a major, I would go with songs anywhere, at least to hell with the pies (where maybe the major was or maybe not )
          And he will receive housing at a new place of residence in retirement, but I can’t save up at least one for him, I’m silent about our girls, confused.
          1. corn
            corn 1 November 2015 21: 00 New
            10
            Quote: your1970
            If I were paid - 75 (as a major)

            Major with 26 years to date - 47600, retirement -21. I have already talked about the premiums. I quit in 615 from the Far East, started life a new way at 1992 and I know what I'm talking about. Served not on the floor. Such money began to pay in 40. Before that, military salaries and pensions were less than the national average.
            Strongly want to feed someone else's army?
            1. your1970
              your1970 1 November 2015 21: 31 New
              -9
              1)"Итак, моя пенсия на 30 сентября 2015 года – 14 440 руб. Это при 20-летней выслуге лет. Постановлением администрации Курской области № 423 по области минимальная прожиточная корзина во втором квартале 2015 " - майор видимо как сивый мерин ржет?
              2) where did you see my proposal for cutting salaries of military personnel?
              3) the average salary in the country was in 2012 - 20 000 rubles according to the Federal State Statistics Service, our military pensioner (helicopter pilot, major, 36 years of service) received a pension - 22 000, active - received more
              4)напомню военным(да и не только), кричащим про "Мы платим налоги.." - что 62% госбюджета приносят госслужащие(оформленцы со средней з/п в 25 тысяч) FCSwhile tax brings only 14% to the budget
              1. corn
                corn 1 November 2015 22: 18 New
                +3
                Quote: your1970
                September 30, 2015 - 14 rubles.

                You talked about 6-8 tyrov.
                My calculation is -12,6, so somewhere you were crafty. In length of service or in average salary?
                Quote: your1970
                helicopter pilot, major, 36 years of service) received a pension of 22,

                This is already after the increase in 2012, before that, about 11000-12000.
                You are guided by emotions, and I, unlike you, laws and calculations.
                I don’t know who contributes to the budget, I don’t know, and I don’t want to know, because this is not directly related to pension calculations.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 1 November 2015 23: 18 New
                  0
                  1) BOLD ON BLACK highlighted and quotes tagged lines from article - 14440 y major(and not with me, I still have 15 years before retirement) and I compared it with your own pension.
                  2) a helicopter pilot’s colleague got 22000 in 2012 - I don’t know the exact numbers until 2012, I won’t lie, he took a car on credit right then-
              2. Andrey NM
                Andrey NM 2 November 2015 06: 00 New
                +4
                that 62% of the state budget is brought by civil servants (executives with an average salary of 25 thousand) FCS, while the tax one brings to the budget only 14%


                In order to bring something to the budget, you need to produce something, make a profit, and only then give it to the budget. What do civil servants produce? And where does the money come from in the budget for civil servants?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 2 November 2015 07: 52 New
                  0
                  and the money in the budget (62%) doesn’t come from production — if you don’t know: FCS - Federal Customs Service, money from export export duties on hydrocarbons ..
                  And actually from production - This is 14% of the tax budget ..
                  1. Andrey NM
                    Andrey NM 2 November 2015 10: 05 New
                    +6
                    Да я то в курсе, как облагаются пошлинами товары. Но эти товары не ФТС с госслужащими произвели, и углеводороды они не добывали. А не будь этих углеводородов и других товаров, сидела бы ФТС на пoпе ровно. Так вот эти производители заплатили и пошлину таможенную, и налог на прибыль, а госслужба поучаствовала в этом процессе тем, что перераспределила финпотоки, которые потом капнули и для армии с флотом, и для референтов, и для всяких других целей. Но повышая налоги, тем самым убивается развитие производства, обрабатывающей и тяжелой промышленности. Про "дырку из земли" речи тут не идет. Даже для транспортировки нефти и газа нужны трубы, которые закупаются за бугром, у себя их дорого катать. А если сейчас начнут деньги собирать за каждый километр пробега транспорта свыше 12 тонн по дорогам, эти деньги кто зарабатывает? И как это скажется на себестоимости продукции? Тоже ведь своего рода пошлина. Только это "зарабатывание" ни чем иным, как простым отъемом денег не назовешь. Много у нас госкорпорации заработали типа Сколково и Чубайса?
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 2 November 2015 17: 36 New
                      -3
                      1)про трубы - которые "Уренгой-Помары-Ужгород" -я еще при Юрий Владимировиче слышал lol
                      2) so lightly - in a month 2011 initiated 64 cases of AP in one checkpoint across the state border (for 3 of the previous year at another state office in the same place-12) overweight by road. Do not pick up trucking, if you can pick it properly be more money to the budget than from hydrocarbons ....
                      1. Andrey NM
                        Andrey NM 3 November 2015 06: 06 New
                        +3
                        О как все запущено! Сначала производится автотранспорт с автоприцепами, автоцистернами и т.д., органы сертификации выдают на них разрешающие документы, данные транспортные средства продаются предприятиям и организациям... Потом вдруг начинают придумываться сезонные пропуска для грузового автотранспорта, потом дорожники массово закупают весы, выходят документы, значительно ограничивающие нагрузки на ось и народ вылавливается на дорогах со штрафами, но этого мало, давайте привяжем оплату к километражу пробега. И это для машин выше 12 тонн. А начерта транспортный налог платится? А акцизы на топливо? Куда деньги делись? А как увязывать пробег по платным участкам дорог и этим "побором"? Почему сертифицированные транспортные средства вдруг стали "невыездными"? Какой идиoт вдруг придумал, что жидкие грузы стали делимыми и можно перевозить по половине цистерны? Вы хоть представляете организацию автомобильных перевозок? Что такое ДОПОГ, знаете?
                        A representative of the Gosmorrechnadzor came here recently with an inspection, an infantry starter, pouted lips, carried such a thing ... To the counter elementary question, which navigation lights carry vessels shorter than and more than 50 meters in length - zero full. I don’t understand how he got there. It turns out that there are a bit too many such specialist experts in the country. Before you say anything, you need to first study the subject. I really didn’t know that the official is the main earner in the country, who makes a profit.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 3 November 2015 12: 56 New
                        0
                        The excess of tons per axle permissible by 1-2, MANA, Mercia, Volvo tractors ...
                        Simple EACHthe driver loaded several cubes of wood chips from himself — and then handed them over to Finland — 3-4 flights in 12 hours — at the exit they gave them approximately 600 euros per shift * 14 shifts per month = 8400 euros per month except the main salary (minus naturally a bit on loading)

                        The old Soviet road in a year Tonara was squeezed out by ruts so that the passenger car does not pass in principle, and there is no advantage, God forbid !!!!!!!!
                      3. AlexeyL
                        AlexeyL 3 November 2015 14: 51 New
                        0
                        What other getters. Penalties, fines and again fines. The budget, however, needs to be replenished.
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 3 November 2015 20: 36 New
                        0
                        and where without them? In Belarus, for example, everyone goes 90 km / h on such an autobahn, so that even I (a calm person) would not have traveled to Russia less than 150 on it. He asked him, he didn’t say how much the fine was, he just said a lot and that they only catch Russians, who are running crazy about the roads. Exceeding speed in Finland is the minimum speeding ticket for 115 euros.

                        Выйдите и гляньте как по нашим "почти дорогам" маршрутки летят...
              3. Starina_hank
                Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 10 New
                +1
                And who prevents to produce ?? CREATE TERMS !! FOR HORSE YOU ALL THERE ARE SIT SUCH SMART ??
              4. Starina_hank
                Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 10 New
                +1
                And who prevents to produce ?? CREATE TERMS !! FOR HORSE YOU ALL THERE ARE SIT SUCH SMART ??
              5. AlexeyL
                AlexeyL 3 November 2015 14: 47 New
                0
                Не забудьте еще такую статью доходов бюджет, как адм. штрафы. Их так же "нарабатывают" не мало.
          2. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 06 New
            +5
            I'm starting to laugh wildly !! What place do government employees bring to the state ?? Fruiting piles of unnecessary papers and demanding their payment from the population! Making waste paper? You in a crowded bus say that you are an official and take care of all ...
          3. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 06 New
            +1
            I'm starting to laugh wildly !! What place do government employees bring to the state ?? Fruiting piles of unnecessary papers and demanding their payment from the population! Making waste paper? You in a crowded bus say that you are an official and take care of all ...
    3. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 2 November 2015 05: 50 New
      +7
      50% pension - for 20 years of service, plus 3% for each next year, 75% - for 25 years of service, plus 3% for each subsequent year, but not more than 85%. In Soviet times, there was still a limit of no more than 240 rubles. Upon dismissal due to health reasons, not more than 85%, excluding length of service, if the conditions of service were the reason for the loss of health. As today - I’m not ready to say, I don’t follow this.

      Civil servant (26 years of service), the rank is not so hot

      Что же вы от армии то бегаете? Там же так все просто и легко! 26 лет референтом? Нравится работа? Менять не пробовали? Если не пробовали, то все устраивает, и нечего кивать на других. 45 лет (15 лет до пенсии) - это не возраст для нытья "если доживу", это тот возраст, когда уже есть знания и опыт, а здоровье позволяет трудиться нормально. Меня все время убивают вопросами подобные референты, а сколько тебе платят, а как бы вот так сидеть и чтобы капало много и т.д. И главное, они всегда и везде все знают, только когда до дела доходит, сразу в кусты.

      Пенсия и выслуга в льготном исчислении не потому, что так кому-то захотелось. Военнослужащего в любой момент могут сдернуть с места и "бросить на амбразуру", и жизнь он должен будет отдать, чтобы "референтам" тепло сиделось в кабинете. Вот за это им потом платят пенсии. А бессовестных людей везде хватает, армия - зеркало общества.

      The article confused me with the figure of 40 million military pensioners. Isn't it a bit much? This is almost a third of the population, including women and children. Where are civil pensioners?
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 November 2015 07: 48 New
        0
        and who told you that I was running, I served for honest 9 years and it’s not my fault that the regiment was dispersed
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 2 November 2015 10: 17 New
          +2
          No need to look everywhere for the guilty. If you started serving like all the officers after the college regiment, then the regiment was reduced when you were about 32 years old? What prevented education? I and two of my colleagues did so, having served more than 2 times longer than you. And thanks to them that they still dragged me to the university for scruff of the neck. No need to whine and nod at others. Who does not want, he is looking for reasons. Who wants, he seeks opportunities.
          1. your1970
            your1970 2 November 2015 17: 43 New
            0
            "Не нужно искать везде виноватых. Если Вы начали служить как и все офицеры после училища в полку, то полк сократили, когда Вам было примерно 32 года?"
            being an ensign, he began to serve in 21 for a year (except for term) - then no one called me an ensign ...
            Unlearned in absentia at the institute, I work, and unlike a major from the article, I don’t know what they threw me (at least 4 times) - if they made a major out of him, the lieutenant as the state members had when switching to 2003 from rank to rank - he would here tears flooded the whole site .... crying
  3. Starina_hank
    Starina_hank 2 November 2015 18: 38 New
    +1
    Ну что же тебе родному помешало послужить? Послужил бы , знал бы о службе не по чужим рассказам , да газетным статьям! В принципе еще можно отправить сына(зятя) , внука! Ну а то что армия является частью нашего государства, это всем известно ! Безобразия творящиеся в армии являются частью общего процесса! А "с ворами ,допустим , надо бороться"!
  4. Starina_hank
    Starina_hank 2 November 2015 18: 38 New
    0
    Ну что же тебе родному помешало послужить? Послужил бы , знал бы о службе не по чужим рассказам , да газетным статьям! В принципе еще можно отправить сына(зятя) , внука! Ну а то что армия является частью нашего государства, это всем известно ! Безобразия творящиеся в армии являются частью общего процесса! А "с ворами ,допустим , надо бороться"!
  • Starina_hank
    Starina_hank 2 November 2015 18: 21 New
    0
    Interestingly, what is being done with justice in our country?
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 1 November 2015 15: 05 New
    +1
    All this, of course, is well and correctly written, but there is another opinion about pensions, in particular, with me. I’m talking about the size of my pension, how it is not enough to pay for an apartment, etc., I won’t whine. Question to the author of the article - did he think about the size of the pension when he went to a military school? I believe that, like me, like the vast majority, I did not think. What kind of pension can you think of in 17-20 years? Only here are the reasons not to think about her different ...

    I knew in 17 years that my grandmother, who raised 6 children and 11 grandchildren, received a pension of 23 rubles. therefore I always knew that you did not have to rely on the state. Then it wasn’t necessary, but now it’s even more so. Я не буду считать зарплаты "Роснефти" и "Газпрома". Просто я знаю, что when I need money, and my pension is not enough, I take my ass off the couch and go to earn extra money. The options are darkness. Thank God, I have accumulated specialties and skills over the years - there are not enough fingers to count. While I can move, I’ll go about a small pension and I won’t hope for the government! All the same to no avail. And worse than now, there have been times - nothing, survived ...

    And when there is not enough health and strength to earn extra money, then the requests become not the same. For an apartment, electricity, gas, a summer house to pay - pensions are always enough. And without black caviar, jamon and mozzarella, I think we are accustomed to live ...
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 1 November 2015 15: 19 New
      12
      Хм...странен тот факт,что почему-то в этой стране традиционно принято "...бывает и хуже".А почему бы отправной точкой не сделать "бывает-то куда получше"?Но,"Пока шевелиться могу - гундеть о маленькой пенсии и надеяться на правительство не буду! Всё равно без толку."-(С). sad
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 1 November 2015 15: 50 New
        +6
        Quote: Yarik
        Хм...странен тот факт,что почему-то в этой стране традиционно принято "...бывает и хуже".А почему бы отправной точкой не сделать "бывает-то куда получше"?Но,"Пока шевелиться могу - гундеть о маленькой пенсии и надеяться на правительство не буду! Всё равно без толку."-(С). sad

        Though zeros minus - I'm too old to play like dislikes.

        I personally do not want to do anything for myself personally. I’m not asking for anything from the country. He gave what he could. BUT just used to rely on yourself. Are they still paying some kind of pension? And thanks for that. Could, as in China, pay nothing at all. And I will not discuss social justice - I live too long to believe in fairy tales about justice, which someone will come and give. While I move, I have arms and legs - I’ll go and earn social justice on the scale of one family myself. Even when you are barely plopping, they’ll take them somewhere as a watchman ... Not everyone can sell oil.

        Плакаться в жилетку типа: "Мы страну защищали, а она нас вон как! Платить не хочет!" не буду. Противно. It is painfully reluctant to look like Americans - they are fighting all over the world for green cards and for money for college ... And they ... are for us in the country.
        1. creak
          creak 1 November 2015 16: 20 New
          +8
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Are they still paying some kind of pension? And thanks for that. Could, as in China, pay nothing at all.


          Они конечно, много чего могли бы,но сегодня пока похоже нам следует руководствоваться принципом "Отсутствие наказания - это уже поощрение"...
          Because if you do not compare with China, but for example with what is happening in Zimbabwe or Somalia, so we do not have life, but a continuous holiday what
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        3. Hardy
          Hardy 1 November 2015 16: 57 New
          17
          Quote: Zoldat_A

          Though zeros minus - I'm too old to play like dislikes.

          I personally do not want to do anything for myself personally. I’m not asking for anything from the country. He gave what he could.

          Ну не все отдал... еще можешь умереть, чтобы Родина на пенсию тебе не "наскребала".
          Everything that was made and conquered by the blood and sweat of the country is now plundered and sold.
          And under these conditions, I will boast that I will not cry in a waistcoat, but I will proudly die in poverty ... Yes, of course, it’s disgusting to take money from them. And yet it’s not worth it to rush with your legal rights. These people will not appreciate the greatness of fortitude, but will only be glad that military pensioners are so stupid and you can no longer spend money on them.
          Oh, in the wrong place, they defended their homeland, since such degenerates climbed to power ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 1 November 2015 18: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: Hardy
            Ну не все отдал... еще можешь умереть, чтобы Родина на пенсию тебе не "наскребала".

            Quote: Hardy
            And yet it’s not worth it to rush with your legal rights. These people will not appreciate the greatness of fortitude, but will only be glad that military pensioners are so stupid and you can no longer spend money on them.

            It’s not my fault that I was lucky and had not died for the Motherland before. It will be necessary - and now it is not too late - the hands of AKMS remember. Only hardly anyone needs such sacrifice now. Well, it’s only Ukraine that is fighting with us, and thank God, we don’t seem to be fighting with anyone, no one but our own government is occupying us.

            А the government of my stupidity will rejoice or not - but somehow I do not care. The state as a bureaucratic apparatus is for me somewhere there, while I am somewhere here. Forced neighborhood, as in a communal apartment. Yes, I have been granted some benefits long ago. So I never went and asked nothing from anyone. While moving, I’ll earn it myself. Let them give it to those who need it. They will not give anyone, they will plunder themselves - God is their judge, he is not a Fryer, he sees everything. And I'm used to relying only on myself ...
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 22: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              They will not give anyone, they will plunder themselves - God is their judge, he is not a Fryer, he sees everything. And I'm used to relying only on myself ...

              God doesn’t give a damn how many people steal, drove billions or free in a tram. This sin of one weight - do not steal is called. Do not drag God if you do not know anything about him.
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          3. creak
            creak 1 November 2015 23: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Hardy
            Ну не все отдал... еще можешь умереть, чтобы Родина на пенсию тебе не "наскребала".


            The great Russian poet A.S. Pushkin died at age 37. What have you done for the country?
            RUSSIAN PENSION FUND.
            So there is an opportunity to do something else for our country ... wink
          4. Lekov L
            Lekov L 2 November 2015 01: 50 New
            0
            With homeland more careful, please.
            After all, we defended her. Do not be any creatures. And then in the polemical enthusiasm you somehow sounded bad.
            Sincerely ...
        4. ancient
          ancient 1 November 2015 18: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Though zeros minus - I'm too old to play like dislikes.


          Минусовать вас...зачем..сразу видно,что..бестолку, да и переубеждать человека "идейного"( в не хорошем смысле этого слова)...бесполезная трата времени. soldier
          Do you think that your place is ........ and live there, why are you calling other people to this?
          "Смиритесь ..братцы"....господь поди ещё велел"?

          А плакаться в жилетку..противно? не буду?....смахивает на...."рабы не мы...мы...рабы" wassat
        5. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 22: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          While I move, I have arms and legs - I’ll go and earn social justice on the scale of one family myself. Even when you are barely plopping, they’ll take them somewhere as a watchman ... Not everyone can sell oil.

          Thanks to these, the oligarchs are in power. You only think about yourself, and you don’t give a damn about the future of the whole nation. He does not whine! You, like a mouse, hid in a hole and guard a miserable existence - I, not me, and my hut from the edge.
          You still simply did not get sick with anything serious, and apparently you did not turn to doctors with tens of thousands of rubles for treatment. Oh, how you conquer, when this time comes - immediately remember socialism, when treatment was free.
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 1 November 2015 19: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Yarik
        Хм...странен тот факт,что почему-то в этой стране традиционно принято "...бывает и хуже"



        Хм... А почему "in this country" ??? Когда это Смоленск (в Вашей личке) Россией перестал быть ???
    2. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 1 November 2015 15: 40 New
      13
      Алексей,еще в 94 году я окончательно решил посвятить свою жизнь армии,тогда я не задумывался о пенсии,о зарплате,но-если государство не кормит свою армию,то кормит чужую!'ПОЧЕМУ" все так сейчас-вопросов в голове много,но если ринуться толпой в Газпром,кто будет обеспечивать безопасность наших детей?А барыг из госдуры давно пора на короткий поводок посадить вместе в манагерами с зарплатой в миллионы в день и членами...правительства!
      1. ancient
        ancient 1 November 2015 18: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: kot28.ru
        but if you rush the crowd in Gazprom


        Ну да..так тебя и взяли..."с распростёртыми объятиями"( имею ввиду на руководящюю должность,хотя бы зам нач.отдела) wink

        Quote: kot28.ru
        Who will ensure the safety of our children?


        And our and theirs ... you will provide ... and who else ....?

        Quote: kot28.ru
        And the huckster from the State Duma has long been time to put on a short leash together in managers with a salary of millions a day and members ... of the government!


        А вот это уже..."призыв"..по-аккуратней bully , especially since your attack is not at all ... at the address lol иль забыли,что "хто девушку заказывает,то..то её и "танцует" wassat Well, or Karabas-drumas, read the first part drinks
      2. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 1 November 2015 21: 15 New
        +4
        Dear, who will allow you and others in Gazprom. There is no place for us, but for our friends, friends, godfathers and other relatives. And our business is plowed for a salary of three copecks all my life and is good, give the ends, and then the money, you understand, you don’t spend money on our government. Nobody owes us any money either. Then you can take the pension fund away, and today we stand, alive, you know, we kind of want it. And this is theirs, and we encroach on him.
    3. creak
      creak 1 November 2015 15: 51 New
      20
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      And without black caviar, jamon and mozzarella, I think we are accustomed to live ...


      Yes, we are accustomed to live not only without the above, but also many other things - only this is not a reason for pride, but for regret.
      Attitude to veterans is a clear lesson to our younger generation that they themselves can expect in the future and will help to form for many an appropriate system of values ​​that will unpleasantly surprise our regular ideologists ...
      А пока к юбилейным датам власть предержащие так и будут долдонить дежурные фразы "Никто не заюыт, ничто не забыто" с тем чтобы напрочь забыть о ветеранах до следущей даты...
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 1 November 2015 18: 04 New
        +7
        Quote: ranger
        which will unpleasantly surprise our full-time ideologists ...

        Who are our ideologists?
        This is the chantrap from the State Duma, or the liberal bastards from Pr-va?
    4. 12345
      12345 1 November 2015 16: 43 New
      -1
      slave and die
    5. ancient
      ancient 1 November 2015 18: 45 New
      +9
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Question to the author of the article - did he think about the size of the pension when he went to a military school?


      А что там было дУМАТЬ..тогда ГОСУДАРСТВО действительно ЗАБОТИЛОСЬ о гражданах и..медицина была бесплатная и образование НАСТОЯЩЕЕ бесплатное и путёвки в санаторий и стредняя зарплата по стране 100-120 рублей..а у военных на тот момент пенсия "светила" в 250 рублей,у испытателей 350 рублей.
      А о ПЕНСИИ надо думать ВСЕГДА..меня ещё мой отец,царство ему небесное..этому учил и я ..своих сыновей учу...не связывайтесь "отроки со всякими пенсионными фондами-ламбурнями....козлёночками станете" wassat

      Quote: Zoldat_A
      And without black caviar, jamon and mozzarella, I think we are accustomed to live ...


      So you just don’t know that the majority of the people have been living without meat for a long time and the demand for milk is 2 times lower (purchasing power of the population, you know ... is falling).
      А почему я должен привыкать жить без чёрной икры..что перевелись..да нет говорят и на Волге и на Ахтубе и на Урале...везде есть..только не про нашу честь..а вот до 90 года по утрам в квартиры разносили..свежачок...раньше было "маалако", а потом..."каша".."мясо" и всё по нормальным ценам.
      And HERE ... SALMON ... which have nowhere to go ????
      And so on
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 1 November 2015 18: 58 New
        +3
        А почему я должен привыкать жить без чёрной икры..что перевелись..да нет говорят и на Волге и на Ахтубе и на Урале...везде есть..только не про нашу честь..а вот до 90 года по утрам в квартиры разносили..свежачок...раньше было "маалако", а потом..."каша".."мясо" и всё по нормальным ценам.

        Ахтубинск вспомнил? Мера для черной икры там была полулитровая банка. И цена ....смешная. Да и зимой белорыбицу можно было у местных "белогвардейцев" купить. Такой из нее балычок получался...И черную икру мог себе и пенсионер там позволить и лейтенант, только после училища.
      2. WINovikov
        WINovikov 1 November 2015 19: 05 New
        0
        From the joke:
        - What letter can be discarded from the Russian alphabet, without prejudice to the Russian language?
        - The letter M.
        - Why exactly the letter M?
        - There is no milk, no meat, no flour, no oil. So why do we need such a letter?
        1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
          Vladimir Pozlnyakov 1 November 2015 22: 24 New
          +1
          А как называть ЧУДАКА без буквы "М"! Не - ЧУДАК только через букву "М"!
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 1 November 2015 19: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: ancient
        А что там было дУМАТЬ..тогда ГОСУДАРСТВО действительно ЗАБОТИЛОСЬ о гражданах и..медицина была бесплатная и образование НАСТОЯЩЕЕ бесплатное и путёвки в санаторий и стредняя зарплата по стране 100-120 рублей..а у военных на тот момент пенсия "светила" в 250 рублей,у испытателей 350 рублей.

        Then, in fact, life was different. My wife didn’t work at the major 350 even because there was nowhere for her specialty. Because there was no need - there was enough money. And if there are additional allowances ... Just what to remember, if now EVERYTHING is different? Although, the neighbor in the country said that the lieutenants platoon on 50 receive sput. I don’t know, maybe she’s lying or don’t know. He himself has been retired for 15 years.
        But you should ALWAYS think of PENSION .. I am still my father, the kingdom of heaven to him .. therefore I also taught .. my sons
        About retirement, your father was ABSOLUTELY right, you ALWAYS think. The only question is how to think.. I never thought that I, so unique, was underestimated, all bad and the pension is small. I thought that how many counted, so much and normal, we will live on it. Not enough - we’ll make some extra money. Something like this...
        1. corn
          corn 1 November 2015 20: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          50-tyr lieutenants receive

          lieutenant after school - platoon commander:
          position - 20tyrov
          title - 10tyrov
          Total -30tyrov, and premiums just do not pay.
          For comparison, 1985 year
          position - 130
          title - 120
          Total 250
          The average salary in the country:
          1985 g - 174
          2015 g. -32000
          32000: 174 183,9 =
          250 * 183,9 = 45975 monetary content of the lieutenant, if you rely on the average salary in the country.
          Всё, что я написал - только голые цифры, в дискуссию " а где я видел сейчас такие зарплаты" вступать не хочу.
          1. your1970
            your1970 1 November 2015 21: 02 New
            0
            a neighbor, ensign, a border guard with a length of service in 21, retired in the amount of 17 thousand, this is apparently my confused look, which confuses something, probably he had such a salary and not even 38 000 crying
            1. corn
              corn 1 November 2015 21: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: your1970
              he had such a salary and not even 38 at all

              The military does not have a salary, but a salary.
              Погранцы относятся к ФСБ, там немного другие должностные оклады. Мне тяжело судить о величине его денежного содержания с надбавками(за секретность, отдалённость и т.д.), но размер "зарплаты" Вы примерно угадали.
              In the wrong hands he is always thicker.
              I repeat: I use the laws, and not the OBS (one woman said) and I can prove each figure with references to legislative acts.
              1. your1970
                your1970 1 November 2015 21: 39 New
                0
                сокращение-"д/с" не всем понятно в отличии от "з/п"
                I don’t guess, I know my neighbor, he doesn’t lie (secrecy, remoteness, waterlessness, ..

                .....- he has the whole range)

                Доказывали вы (50 "труб") не мне crying I accidentally got between you


                By the way, I always doubted the thickness in someone else’s hands; in theory, he should cringe, in someone else’s ... recourse lol belay repeat
                1. corn
                  corn 1 November 2015 22: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  By the way, I always doubted the thickness in someone else’s hands; in theory, he should cringe, in someone else’s ...

                  Liked lol
                  We are also namesake, it turns out.
                2. your1970
                  your1970 2 November 2015 20: 21 New
                  0
                  intrigue, for which minus: for d / s, waterlessness, or for cringing ????????? belay belay belay request
              2. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 22: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: corn
                The military does not have a salary, but a salary.

                Это фраза тут к чему? У моряков корабли тоже "идут" по морю. Ногами что ли? Как не обзывай: содержание или зарплата всё одно. Я тоже получал и за звание, и за должность и пайковые и вся форма и оружие бесплатно и проезд бесплатный не только в транспорте, но и поездом к месту отдыха с семьёй, плюс увеличивался отпуск на время проезда. И с квартирами для офицеров было лучше. Только я знаю, что в 1974 г. я получал взводным, лейтенант - 220 рублей, тогда как моего возраста инженеры на гражданке получали 100 - 110 руб. А за одежду они платили сами и всё остальное, перечисленное мною они оплачивали сами. Вот так было в СССР. Вот когда военных уважали и ценили за постоянный риск быть убитым при защите Родины.
                And what Putin has done now is a miserable handout to both military and military pensioners.
                1. corn
                  corn 2 November 2015 11: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  Don’t call it: the content or salary is all one.

                  For me, no.
              3. Andrey NM
                Andrey NM 2 November 2015 06: 07 New
                +2
                Correctly not monetary content, but monetary allowance.
                1. corn
                  corn 2 November 2015 10: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey NM
                  and monetary allowance.

                  согласен, хотя в постановлении Правительства от 5 декабря 2011 года N 992 устанавливаются "оклады денежного содержания".
                  1. Starina_hank
                    Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 25 New
                    0
                    Literate people wrote ....
                  2. Starina_hank
                    Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 25 New
                    0
                    Literate people wrote ....
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 2 November 2015 04: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: corn
            lieutenant after school - platoon commander:
            position - 20tyrov
            title - 10tyrov
            Total -30tyrov, and premiums just do not pay.
            For comparison, 1985 year
            position - 130
            title - 120
            Total 250
            The average salary in the country:
            1985 g - 174
            2015 g. -32000
            32000: 174 183,9 =
            250 * 183,9 = 45975 lieutenant's cash support, based on the average salary in the country.

            In general, your number in 45975 is much closer to what your neighbor told me. But it seems to me that 45975 is not at all the money that 250 in Soviet times. When an officer serves, he needs to be kept in such a way that he does not think that he will have a family tomorrow, where to hobble the extra ruble in the evening and that he is not ashamed to walk down the street with his wife. And retired ... Well, then the pension is not in 60, but in terms of length of service. And if it’s a privilege ... I saw men who in 30 years already had 21-22 years of preferential years. And for 40, with 22-23 calendars, there’s generally space in preferential ... Still relatively young, healthy (in most) men - they will find something to feed themselves on. A lot of places where officers are taken with a bang. Especially if it is not a convoy bug, but a normal officer. And after 60 ... Yes, also not a question, you can live.
            1. corn
              corn 2 November 2015 10: 53 New
              0
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Your number at 45975 is much closer to that

              The figure I calculated is a figure that must be in order for the lieutenant to feel equal to the 1985 lieutenant in money.
              I am not telling you about the premiums that existed in the SA. After a college in the Far North, the lieutenant received a double salary. The allowances were for class, for secrecy, and for the length of stay in areas with difficult conditions. I am talking about monetary allowance under normal conditions.
              1. Andrey NM
                Andrey NM 3 November 2015 17: 20 New
                +1
                Salaries in the Far North were one and a half, in Kamchatka and a number of districts - double. In Primorye there was a coefficient of 1,15. The Polyarka was no more than 80%, but it was reset to zero if it was on a business trip in the middle lane for more than half a year, etc., everything started there at first, 10% for every six months, for 4 years it got out, so people from the north went to training centers reluctantly.
    6. Heimdall48
      Heimdall48 1 November 2015 22: 20 New
      -3
      While I move, I have arms and legs - I’ll go and earn social justice on the scale of one family myself. Even when you are barely plopping, they’ll take them somewhere as a watchman ... Not everyone can sell oil.


      Полностью с Вами согласен. Нехорошо, когда здоровые мужики или женщины с руками и ногами плачутся о пенсии или детском пособии. Хочется сказать им - "никто вам граждане ничего не должен, кроме Ваших собственных детей". Не потрудились родить и правильно воспитать, нечего кивать на государство. Оно недееспособным должно помогать, а не всем кому приспичило ему на шею сесть. Гражданин должен приносить государству прибыль, а нынче совсем наоборот выходит.
      1. corn
        corn 2 November 2015 11: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: Heimdall48
        Citizen must bring profit to the state

        You have a somewhat misconception about the state. The state has taken on some functions (protection from external enemies, regulation of relations between members of human society, etc.) for which it receives money from citizens in the form of taxes or in another form.
        Profit is received by the entrepreneur. You will not find anywhere that the goal or task of the state is to profit.
        Something like this.
        1. Heimdall48
          Heimdall48 2 November 2015 12: 38 New
          -5
          You will not find anywhere that the goal or task of the state is to profit.

          So it has been since time immemorial - the Russian state expanded, seized new lands and subjects so that they enriched the state with their taxes.
          А что мы имеем теперь ? Россия не может присоединить Донбасс (или со скрипом присоединила Крым) потому что там миллионы людей (дармоедов) , которые вместо того чтобы обогащать государство тянут к нему руку и клянчат - "Дай пенсий, пособий, субсидий и т.д".
          Well this is a complete perversion of all concepts. Moreover, there is a free land around - I don’t want to take it and work, then you have a pension and a child allowance. But no one takes it - everyone whines and complains about the oligarchs and capitalists. Complete degradation.
          If Russia had ever previously been based on these principles, then we would not have gone beyond the borders of the Moscow principality.
        2. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 29 New
          0
          In our country, the state makes a profit from the population, without paying him any care, or protection, or gratitude!
        3. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 29 New
          0
          In our country, the state makes a profit from the population, without paying him any care, or protection, or gratitude!
          1. Heimdall48
            Heimdall48 2 November 2015 21: 36 New
            0
            Более-менее нормальное у нас государство. Порядка только маловато. Просто как говорит поговорка - "что имеем не ценим, потерявши плачем". Потребности умерьте, работайте больше да деньги в чужих карманах не считайте - вот и весь рецепт.
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      2. AlexeyL
        AlexeyL 3 November 2015 15: 10 New
        0
        The state should first of all have obligations (for this it is organized), and only then the rights to ensure its duties.
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  • onix757
    onix757 1 November 2015 15: 23 New
    11
    Living is apparently good for those who do not notice the price and tariff hangings, who have a large pension as an addition to their fortune, and for whom there is a special justice.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2015 16: 07 New
      -5
      It’s also good for entrepreneurs to live.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 1 November 2015 18: 12 New
        11
        Quote: Vadim237
        It’s also good for entrepreneurs to live.


        You can say that, but only until you get into their shoes ...
        This is me about those entrepreneurs who do not belong to libertors and oligarchs, but are only occupied with how to earn their daily bread and are engaged in this only because there are no jobs, no industry, no agricultural sector - and there are millions of such people in the country; they certainly won’t earn a pension.
        And what can you say about those 700 thousand small entrepreneurs who at the beginning of last year passed their patents and certificates because they were imposed with such a tax, which ceased to be enough even for living, but not for well-being.
        And this was done by our beloved government in the person of the State Duma and the Republic.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 November 2015 20: 02 New
          -2
          I have been an entrepreneur for 6 years and I have my own production, as well as car maintenance services - the profit is good not to live - I’m my own boss, what could be better in a person’s life, and you are not right about the lack of industry and agriculture, There is a lot of it all, new factories are opened and they are engaged in agriculture, 700000 small entrepreneurs have passed patents - maybe, but not all of them have stopped entrepreneurial activity, someone has opened another business, someone has gone into the shadows, someone has gone to work . And these guys for the most part were not levied with high taxes, because they are acceptable, but with rent and high interest rates on loans.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 1 November 2015 22: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            I have been an entrepreneur for 6 years and I have my own production, as well as car maintenance services - the profit is good not to live - I’m my own boss, what could be better in a person’s life, and you are not right about the lack of industry and agriculture, There is a lot of it all, new factories are opened and they are engaged in agriculture, 700000 small entrepreneurs have passed patents - maybe, but not all of them have stopped entrepreneurial activity, someone has opened another business, someone has gone into the shadows, someone has gone to work .

            This is all of course wonderful. But what to do for those who do not have your entrepreneurial talents? And yes, if everyone will only do it, then who will work with a sledgehammer and a microscope? But these 700 thousand they filed patents because of the high rents and interest rates on loans? smile
    2. corn
      corn 1 November 2015 21: 18 New
      0
      Quote: onix757
      Living apparently good for those who do not notice the hanging prices and tariffs

      Most people notice, only for some the pearls are too small, and for others the soup is thin.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 1 November 2015 15: 26 New
    +6
    ... Oh you small pichuga!
    Give us your wings,
    The whole kingdom will fly around
    We'll see, we'll explore,
    Let’s ask and get in touch:
    Who lives happily,
    Вольготно на Руси?"...

    (C) N. Nekrasov
    The question was posed a long time ago and the debate on it was serious.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 1 November 2015 15: 29 New
    10
    For our good work, pension payments, expenses for pensioners, the same thing every year, retirees, pensions and retirement age, interfere with our work, well, really, fucking siluanov has no other business, he used to
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 1 November 2015 15: 38 New
      +5
      I remember somehow even offering working pensioners a pension not to pay at all, they say they work, they will not die of hunger. Such was the iron argument.
    2. gunya
      gunya 1 November 2015 21: 02 New
      +3
      So Kudrin, that Seluyanov from one shop, they sing the same way.
  • slizhov
    slizhov 1 November 2015 15: 37 New
    14
    Today in Russia Serdyukov and Vasilyev still live well ...
    Investigators wrote volumes, wrote ... for months, for years, approximating the anniversary day of the amnesty. They planted him for a couple of weeks and ... the term of the expulsion has come. But the second one, as I understand it, is increasing everything. Soon, here, too, everything will be stolen and destroyed, pushed further up the stairs.
  • Straight
    Straight 1 November 2015 15: 40 New
    11
    Учите классику - "добьемся мы освобожденья своею собственной рукой..", а так же "под лежачего майора водка не течет.." и т.д. и т.п. Где там ваши общественные организации? Вы что на их совесть расчитываете? Посмотрите на сердюково-васильевшину, есть еще вопросы. А постоянные спортивные чемпионаты, стройки, капремонты без нужды для народа, зато откаты чиновникам. Недавно услышал Медведев объявил о строительстве школ для 6,6 миллионов школьников, а у нас школы закрываются - некому учиться! Но надо строить и строить только бы не заводы.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2015 16: 12 New
      -6
      Factories and factories are being built in our country, and not a few, those who want to engage will be engaged.
  • borys
    borys 1 November 2015 15: 50 New
    21
    На эту тему есть невеселая шутка: "Очередная пенсионная реформа не дала
    нужного результата - пенсионеров все еще слишком много".
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 1 November 2015 22: 30 New
      0
      And t_v.a_r..y Mishiko Zurabov is the author of the grebes with the pension reform in friends with Weltzman, the ambassador to Dill! Well, to whom and in Russia in Ukropia to live well!
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 2 November 2015 00: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimir Pozlnyakov
        Zurabov the author of the grebes with pension reform
        And who approved this reform?

        Zurabov, Mikhail Yuryevich

        From 1999 to 2004 - Chairman of the Board of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation.
        From March 9, 2004 to September 24, 2007 - Minister of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation (Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 09.03.2004 N 322)
        After leaving the Ministry of Health and Social Development, Zurabov was appointed Advisor to the President of the Russian Federation on the problems of reforming the social sphere (Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of October 7, 2007 No. 1341)

        Awards
        Order "For Merit to the Fatherland" IV degree (October 3, 2003) - for his great contribution to the conduct of the state social policy and many years of conscientious work
  • moskowit
    moskowit 1 November 2015 15: 51 New
    +4
    Да-аа, "Спасение утопающих, дело рук самих утопающих"... Как выражался наш учитель литературы Михаил Тихонович: " Плевать на всех с высокой башни..."
  • UralMan
    UralMan 1 November 2015 15: 52 New
    17
    So, my pension for September 30, 2015 is 14 rubles. This is with 440 years of service.
    ------------
    I agree! Not a great pension.
    -----------------------
    I didn’t ask myself how much the teacher receives, I apologize for them - they didn’t sleep on mattresses in the barracks. But they .... no longer stands.
    So I notice with an experience of more than 30 years, the pension is 11000 rubles. Is that a lot? But she doesn’t ache, but everything stands at the blackboard ... FWants tocomes home and cries, and then again sits down at the table to fill out magazines and all kinds of inquiries from and for Rayono.
    ----------------
    What about the doctors?
    A plowman in the village from 5 in the morning and 20-00 and every day ...HIS BREAD we eat ... every day.
    Ask what is their pension?

    ----------
    Add more ....
    None of them are NO- they just live.
    And they don’t have pagons on retirement, but there are "медаль сутулого" За доблестный Труд.
    1. Straight
      Straight 1 November 2015 16: 13 New
      +1
      Each public group (including officials) achieves its goals by uniting into some kind of structure. Here are the above teachers, doctors, etc. They did not achieve anything precisely because they did not have the structure necessary for this (for example, not a fec, but a real trade union) and the willpower to achieve the goal they needed. Read about the class struggle, which has not gone anywhere. The weak receive crumbs from the table - this is the law of nature!
      1. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 37 New
        +1
        It is rather the law of the jungle, not human society!
      2. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 37 New
        0
        It is rather the law of the jungle, not human society!
    2. excomandante
      excomandante 1 November 2015 16: 24 New
      +4
      Do not whine ?! The fact that pensions in Russia are not enough (for everyone except persons close to the emperor) did not speak and did not write only lazy articles in the press and on the internet a lot. Or is it just written out of hatred of the military and the police?
    3. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 1 November 2015 16: 43 New
      +9
      In the name of the people of the Russian Federation, to sentence power (in places, both in form and in content, pseudo-power) to the highest degree of social justice!
      Кто бы и как бы не думал (особо обольщаясь и себя обманывая), но страха чинуши "стыда не имут", безнаказанность и вседозволенность - причина потери страха и ответственности.
      As a result, it was not the defenders of the country (people) that caressed the state, but its punitive apparatus (+ bureaucratic).
      И самое поганое,то что это "гос.цирк" долго длится и происходит на фоне масштабного социального разделения.

      Вместо принятия массы законов в свою защиту и соц.гарантии, стоит чинушам законодательно прописать алгоритм их замены, как некомпетентных и бездарных, ибо роль ГосДуры и СовФеда уже становится номинальной в угоду исполнительной власти во главе с "номинальной" президентской.

      Во время парламентских "выборов"(?) импонировал лозунг лидера ЛДПР"...терпите дальше!" сторонники ЕР.
      History knows only one method of qualitatively changing attitudes toward population. But there are already so many laws and amendments to the Criminal Code against him!
      And the glorious problem of inertia of the population has not disappeared, and it is precisely on this that pseudo-power relies.

      By the way, under Stalin, the miners had the largest salaries. Even more than the regional leaders.
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 1 November 2015 17: 01 New
        +4
        Socialism under capitalism is impossible. And the authorities are not going to change the social.polit.stroy! After all, it was not for this that the events of 1991-1993 were arranged.
        Not by the method of revolution to change power, but by the most cruel method of evolution - total replacement and squeezing (it is better to the northern territories in the penitentiary system with total confiscation). Ready to support any party active in this party and its leader
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 1 November 2015 18: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Not by the method of revolution to change power, but by the most cruel method of evolution - total replacement and squeezing (it is better to the northern territories in the penal colony with total confiscation)
          Damn, that's right balm for the Soul, Alexander! good I support 100500 times!
          Especially like - "выдавливать": Еще бы дверку специальную - узкую, чтобы жир стискивался при "выдавливании"! laughing
        2. Tishka
          Tishka 3 November 2015 16: 26 New
          0
          Have a nice day! And what prevents us from creating this party ourselves, there are a lot of literate and smart people, each in their own region, who can carry on campaigning, and slowly, from local elections, switch to the same thought, right up to the presidential! One misfortune, it’s difficult, the inertia is enormous, we all tolerate, instead of squeezing out, those snickering. The problem is that there is no certainty that once in power everyone will not start thinking about his own pocket, but will be happy for all the people!
    4. IS-80
      IS-80 1 November 2015 17: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: UralChel
      None of them are NO- they just live.

      So you offer to work silently for food? Do you agree to that?
      1. UralMan
        UralMan 1 November 2015 20: 45 New
        0
        What are you working for?
        Ну...если у Вас есть "бизнес"...тоды увольте.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 1 November 2015 21: 33 New
          0
          Quote: UralChel
          What are you working for?

          So far, not only for food. smile
          So you did not answer. Agree to work silently for food?
    5. your1970
      your1970 1 November 2015 18: 20 New
      +5
      I'll never forget LIEUTENANT GENERAL- who took a shovel in front of my eyes with fire shield со словами "Огород копать буду!". Кто в армии служил - тот знает что на пожарные щиты специально вещают такие коряги что ими не то что копать-смотреть страшно бывает дабы не украли.
      But here - all to my beloved !!!! - apparently won by that general ...
    6. rapid1934
      rapid1934 1 November 2015 18: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: UralChel
      And I didn’t ask myself how much she’s getting

      State Duma deputy, prosecutor's office, judicial ........?
      No need to measure your small pussy, compare them with large members (see above). hi
      1. your1970
        your1970 1 November 2015 20: 20 New
        0
        judge of a district court (non-city) about a million per year, justice of the peace 900 thousand - both figures are comparable to the income of an army major / lieutenant colonel for a year ...
        And to plant people (even for a cause) is also nerves ...
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 2 November 2015 04: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: your1970
          And to plant people (even for a cause) is also nerves ..

          Которые они "лечат" оказанием "дополнительных услуг".. за дополнительную, без кавычек, плату. Сам дважды был в ситуации, когда судья принимал ЗАВЕДОМО ПРОТИВОЗАКОННОЕ решение, лишь потому, что ответчиком было ФГУП, а оно "не может быть виноватым", по определению!
          And do not compare 900 sput with the average real income of a Russian in 180-240 thousand. And the nerves at the same time, due to financial problems, spoil no less!
          And how many families are falling apart because of this? Has anyone considered this damage? ..
          1. your1970
            your1970 2 November 2015 18: 07 New
            0
            1) appeal, who does not?
            2) can a former drug addict with a ax put on top of them ten come to an average Russian? Or with a grenade - like in a court in the Far East when the bailiff died?
            1. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 47 New
              +1
              Do you really think that a thief-recidivist or a dumbfounded drug addict came with a grenade? fool Or have you never been in our court?
            2. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 47 New
              0
              Do you really think that a thief-recidivist or a dumbfounded drug addict came with a grenade? fool Or have you never been in our court?
              1. your1970
                your1970 2 November 2015 20: 15 New
                0
                1) no - an honest law-abiding respectable citizen came, a grenade for delivery to him in a bakery shop ...
                Anyway, the bailiff’s family was who came - the children of the orphan, the wife-widow ...
                2) out of sporting interest, see how many judges die every year ...
            3. avia1991
              avia1991 2 November 2015 20: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: your1970
              appeal, who does not give?

              I don’t have to consider me a child, okay ?!
              When the court of appeal rejected our request, the court decision read ... in a word, gibberish, since we NEVER had stove heating - but it was him who was denied service. Is this what? Norm?! Or nonsense? Fuck us, explain such judges and courts ?? Они, судя по их "сочинению", ДАЖЕ МАТЕРИАЛЫ ДЕЛА НЕ ЧИТАЛИ!
              Quote: your1970
              can a former Russian drug addict with an ax planted in the top ten come to the average Russian?
              So what? With this unlikely (mathematically) opportunity, do you justify the lawlessness that is happening in our courts? A, PARDON, YOU ARE IN THE JUDGE - KILLED BY KINDS ?! Или Вы сами всеми возможными способами стремились это местечко занять?! И никто Вам не рисовал возможную перспективу, и окунулись Вы в "омут" судебной системы, отчета себе не отдавая... НЕ СМЕШНО? Офицер, получая примерно те же деньги, терпит лишения и невзгоды полевой жизни, недосыпает, надрывает здоровье, мотается по командировкам, рискует жизнью - которую готов отдать в любой момент для выполнения Приказа, и защиты Родины! ЧЕМ, реально, жертвует судья?.. Особенно мировой.?
              1. your1970
                your1970 2 November 2015 20: 38 New
                0
                avia1991
                "А, ПАРДОН, ВАС В СУДЬИ - ПИНКАМИ ЗАГОНЯЛИ?!"
                Ohhh - I'm already a judge fellow fellow fellow fellow fellow fellowanother half hour and either trample underfoot or I will be a marshal repeat repeat

                В "омуте" судебной системы никто не предполагал что кто-то может кинуть гранату-как на ДВ(когда суд пристав погиб-а не тормознул бы он -кто знает сколько народу тот человек с эфкой положил бы),в отличии от армии-где это практически нормально,по крайней мере ожидаемо...Случаи нападения на судей - не единичны..

                The part in which I served was twice in Chechnya, l / s wound around all the known and not very hot spots, there were no victims, thank God ..

                The major who wrote the article lied twice: 1) about his retirement at 14400, which has been repeatedly confirmed here by people equal in rank and rank, 2) about 40 of millions of military pensioners
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 3 November 2015 00: 55 New
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                  Quote: your1970
                  Ohhh - I'm already a judge

                  Quote: your1970
                  The part in which I served

                  Good - not you personally. However, my questions are directly related to the judges. And - you did not answer, what, in your opinion, does the judge sacrifice while wriggling in the sovereign service? It’s not entirely clear why you are protecting them like that ?! Те ЕДИНИЦЫ, которые умудряются вершить правосудие добросовестно, и В СООТВЕТСТВИИ С ЗАКОНОМ, безнадежно теряются в общей массе "служителей Системы", у которых the same laws apply very differently to the ordinary citizen, and to the official, а уж тем более - к "солидному бизнесмену" или депутату!
                  И та граната, которую притащил реальный бандит, вполне может начать появляться в руках простых обывателей, которых нагло, в глаза, осуждают за надуманные нарушения, отказывают в исках к "неприкасаемым" чинушам, притом, зачастую, мотивируя это ссылками на статьи УК, ВООБЩЕ не имеющими отношения к делу!
                  Граната - это "эффективный" способ to remind the judges that Justice, if they are not able to provide it, can be achieved by such a radical method. I think they - the judges - such shakes should be useful.
                  Quote: your1970
                  The major who wrote the article lied twice:
                  Я и не утверждаю, что статья идеальна. Но проблема есть, и она - так же, как и куча других - требует решения. Теперь по поводу "соврал":
                  Quote: your1970
                  about a pension of 14400, which has been repeatedly confirmed here by peers equal in length and rank
                  You read inattentively, although you yourself quoted:
                  my pension for September 30, 2015 is 14 rubles. This is with 20 years of service.
                  Он совершенно честно написал, что 25 не выслужил - и естественно, его пенсия меньше "стандарта".
                  As for
                  Quote: your1970
                  40 million military retirees
                  - да, "слегка переборщил". Но я думаю, человек на эмоциях перепутал статистику, и взял общее количество пенсионеров. smile
                  In general, this error does not really affect the essence of the article - more precisely, it does not affect it at all: there is a problem, and judging by the recent actions of the government, nobody is going to solve it. hi
                  1. excomandante
                    excomandante 3 November 2015 11: 55 New
                    +1
                    All right. 13900 - major pension for 20 years (last position - senior investigator for especially important cases). Army are similar. But where does this irrational bitterness come from?
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 3 November 2015 12: 45 New
                    -1
                    Я не люблю обобщений-когда за всю страну сразу говорят..Когда говорят - "все чинуши","все судьи" и так далее...

                    based on these positions, it can be easily said that our entire army (all 100% l / s) changed the oath in the 1991 year (and throwing banners), the whole army (from privates to the General Staff) plundered the army in the 90-2000 years , the whole army incompetently lost the first Chechen and so on ..
                    Like? Justify? Easy ...

                    Именно поэтому я и стараюсь относится к людям так как они того заслуживают-конкретные люди, а не абстрактные "чинуши","судьи","военные","
                    ;врачи-рвачи"
                    etc.

                    As for the judges, there are log breakers absolutely everywhere (not excluding the army). Just for a number of reasons, I know several judges and know them as honest, decent people.

                    По поводу госслужащих - раздражают до бешенства выводы людей которые не знают вопроса вообше("Учителя в школе -госслужащие" belay belay - At such a pace, you can also record the army in the civil service, but they wear the same epaulettes !!!), who have encountered a question once and have started, they even sometimes do not try to figure it out ....
                    on the basis of their positions, an anecdotal conclusion can be made - sellers of food products are much worse than the country - they cheat / weigh us every day
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 3 November 2015 19: 40 New
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      for a number of reasons, I know several judges and know them as honest, decent people.

                      And is this knowledge based on their attitude to their service, to fairly pronounced sentences - or on personal communication not related to direct activity?
                      Большинство (заметьте: не ВСЕ!) судей худо-бедно вершат правосудие по справедливости.. в тех случаях, когда вопросы не касаются лиц или организаций, имеющих "выходы" на судью, и желающих этим воспользоваться. Вот тут и наступает "момент Истины": либо судья, будучи честным и порядочным, ведет дело, невзирая на чины и звания, и не реагирует на "дружеские, родственные, чиновные" и пр. связи - либо он отвечает на обращения "своих" людей, и поворачивает дело так, как им выгодно.
                      So, your friends, God grant them health, they can be wonderful people in life, and in the service they can be the indisputable guides of the Law, BUT: if they WOULD LAST take advantage of their official position in someone’s selfish interests, EVERYTHING. This judge is honest, sorry, you can’t be called, because he committed, at least, an official crime!
                      И таких - БОЛЬШИНСТВО. Но поскольку судьи у нас - неприкасаемые, то им легко удается оставаться "честными и порядочными людьми".
                      Quote: your1970
                      поэтому я и стараюсь относится к людям так как они того заслуживают-конкретные люди, а не абстрактные "чинуши",
                      Дай Вам Бог, чтобы Ваши взгляды не получили повода измениться. Однако есть довольно комментаторов, которые, говоря "все чинуши", подразумевают отнюдь не абстрактных людей, а вполне конкретных, из собственного жизненного опыта. Сам не люблю огульных обвинений, но с чиновниками по работе сталкиваюсь гораздо чаще, чем хотелось бы, и ... поверьте, вежливых слов не находится. Редкие исключения бывают - но это капля в море.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 3 November 2015 20: 24 New
                        +1
                        отвечу - слово "порядочные" подразумевает честность как минимум.Реально люди не подкупные,были преценденты - на одного давить пытались, другому предложения делали завлекательные....Кстати самое смешное - то что один из них меня на дух не переваривает..
                        so I judge purely by the results of their work, and I can see by income. The only thing is that everyone does not work in capitals, so it’s a little easier for them ...

                        В столицах все сложнее-вот например Сердюков...напротив него сидел Генштаб и МО и дружно говорил"Да-да-да!!Вы исключительно правы!!!!так точно!!!Ураааа!!!"(как-то так).
                        И ни один генерал не встал,не сказал "Я офицер.Я честь имею",не написал письма во все мыслимые и немыслимые инстанции инстанции,не дал ему пощечину наконец...
                        Are they military officers or officials?
                        or for pensions / ranks / apartments / positions / opportunity
                        stole, scared? They saw how everything was stolen in the army and were silent in a rag ....

                        "НО: если они ХОТЯ БЫ РАЗ воспользовались своим служебным положением в чьих-то корыстных интересах - ВСЕ."

                        something is wrong with us ...

                      2. avia1991
                        avia1991 4 November 2015 00: 03 New
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                        Quote: your1970
                        Are they military officers or officials?

                        Then were, rather, the second. Yes and .. honestly: Do you believe that this could have any consequences? except for the general himself, having the Honor?
                        Особенно если вспомнить, что Сердюков был назначен Путиным - ни один выпад "против" тогда бы не прошел.
                  3. excomandante
                    excomandante 3 November 2015 21: 50 New
                    +1
                    In 1991, the whole army really cheated on the motherland, spit on the oath (saliva, as they spat on historical materialism), but that's another topic, no?
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 4 November 2015 00: 34 New
                      0
                      Quote: excomandante
                      In 1991, the whole army really betrayed the homeland, spit on the oath

                      Justify!
                      This is not a topic - but too serious to miss! WHAT IS IT EXPRESSED IN?
                      Do not forget that the Army against your own people is NOT applicable. And also the fact that actions taken by a soldier without an order is a crime. And at the same time, the President of the USSR did not try to outline his own position.
            4. excomandante
              excomandante 3 November 2015 12: 02 New
              0
              I subscribe to every word.
      2. corn
        corn 3 November 2015 13: 10 New
        0
        Quote: your1970
        both figures are comparable to the income of a major / lieutenant colonel of the army for the year ...

        Officers have 2 times less.
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 November 2015 18: 53 New
          0
          "в 2 раза меньше" у лейтенантов или все таки у старших офицеров?у лейтенантов естественно меньше.
          as far as I understand, majors / lieutenant colonels for military operations under 50 thousand (if not more) monthly + vacation pay (when did you serve, now?) + thirteenth + premiums (which were advertised for a long time like the best, I don’t know if or not?) = in As a result, somewhere around 700-800 thousands should be obtained - this is approximately 75% of the judiciary ...
          Give, if anyone can, the layout of the income of senior officers (I really lagged a bit behind the military personnel).
  • ancient
    ancient 1 November 2015 19: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: UralChel
    None of them are NO- they just live.


    Да потому что....просто смирились с действительностью..вот и "не ноют", а в военных ещё "есть порох в пороховицах" вот и..высказываются.
    А сейчас..знаете есть такая "общность"..называется ..стадо...а что бывает со стадом...дальше не буду продолжать..аллегорию crying
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 1 November 2015 20: 54 New
      -3
      Gunpowder is in GDP.
      If not for him, the military would receive the janitor's pension.
      And thank God that even in such a difficult time they raised the prestige of the military and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 1 November 2015 22: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: UralChel
        And thank God that even in such a difficult time they raised the prestige of the military and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        They did not raise prestige, but bought loyalty.
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 23: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: UralChel
        Gunpowder is in GDP.
        If not for him, the military would receive the janitor's pension.
        And thank God that even in such a difficult time they raised the prestige of the military and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

        Yes, this GDP of ours, only protects our oil and gas revenues with our hands and lives. If there is no battle-worthy army in Russia, then his arrogant Americans, Japanese and Chinese will take away his income.
        Do not confuse his personal enrichment plans with our patriotism.
        1. UralMan
          UralMan 2 November 2015 11: 59 New
          -2
          Quote: Алексей_К
          Do not confuse his personal enrichment plans with our patriotism.

          Judging by your logic ... GDP and its close associates are busy only in that they protect only personal interests.
          So you can agree on what the line.
          Nobody has canceled the right of ownership in the Constitution and the principles of obtaining them, too. I will note it legally!
          I note by the way ... they protect to the same extent yours, mine and all citizens. Including the integrity of our state.
          ...............
          Я бы не стал публично заявлять о неправомерности действий ВВП. Не стоит. Простите здесь не кухня...за "чашкой чая"...где можно потрепаться без последствий.
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 2 November 2015 22: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: UralChel
            Я бы не стал публично заявлять о неправомерности действий ВВП. Не стоит. Простите здесь не кухня...за "чашкой чая"...где можно потрепаться без последствий.

            Hitler in Germany, by the way, also came to power in a legal way. Maybe you, too, would not publicly declare the illegality of Hitler?
            And secondly, we are not having a cup of tea and my words can be incriminated by my authorities as a call to overthrow the existing authorities.
            But you are trembling about the legitimacy of such as Putin, Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais and other liberals. I did not select them. The coup occurred only in Moscow.
            Well, if only Moscow would live in a capitalist ass, but it would not touch us.
            In addition, Yeltsin violated the constitution and destroyed the Soviet Union, destroyed the legitimate legislative body of the Congress of Soviets and the Supreme Council of People's Deputies, by shooting deputies in the White House. He surrounded himself with American advisers and traitors to the motherland. Industry is destroyed, education will soon come to naught. The army has just begun to rebuild. But is it an army. In the event of a non-nuclear attack, our army will be destroyed in a few days because it is small, and the Chinese can raise 400 million people into a rifle, and draftees, for the most part, nets who did not serve in the army. Who will fight?
            You see, you have no idea how many soldiers die in the first days of the war, but almost all. And the industry, which has not been transferred to military rails, will be able to make neither planes, nor tanks, nor super-duper missiles, because their production cycle, due to their complexity, is very huge. This is not T-34 or IL-2.
            They also found me a legitimate authority that came to power in a non-legal way and plunders Russia!
            1. UralMan
              UralMan 3 November 2015 11: 55 New
              -1
              Quote: Алексей_К
              And secondly, we are not having a cup of tea and my words can be incriminated by my authorities as a call to overthrow the existing authorities.

              --------------
              "Далеко ..."- пойдёте.
              Quote: Алексей_К
              But you are trembling about the legitimacy of such as Putin, Yeltsin,

              -------------
              Be tolerant of other people's thoughts ... and without slogans about the legitimacy of state. personalities.
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Well, if only Moscow would live in a capitalist ass, but we would not be touched

              --------------
              I remember where the wind blows ... you had such a Rossel ... I wanted to form the Ural Republic ...
              Everything is numb to you ... like neighbors.
              --------------
              I understand that it’s shitty, yes - but anarchy is not needed.
              Here is only no offense ....
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 3 November 2015 22: 57 New
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                Quote: UralChel
                1. Be tolerant of other people's thoughts ... and without slogans about the legitimacy of state. personalities.
                2. I recall where the wind blows ... you had such a Rossel ... wanted to form the Urals Republic ...
                Everything is numb to you ... like neighbors.

                You, like everyone who knows you are wrong, begin to divert the topic of conversation in the other direction:
                1. You yourself first spoke of the legitimacy of the state. personalities. I just answered you that all of our state. individuals are in power illegally. So let’s do it yourself without slogans.
                And tolerance does not mean concession, condescension, or indulgence. The manifestation of tolerance also does not mean tolerance for social injustice, renunciation of one’s beliefs or concession to other people's beliefs, as well as imposing one’s convictions on other people (enemy Wikipedia);
                2. And what does Rossel have to do with it? Maybe he organized a coup in Moscow and the shooting of the White House from tanks and snipers? And I have to do with it, I never approved of the Ural Republic.
                You’ll invent a master and expose other people that they did not commit. To put it mildly, this is called pouring mud on the opponent and hanging noodles on the ears of readers who do not know the true events.
                Also no offense ....
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 1 November 2015 19: 10 New
    +6
    Most deputies and rulers whine. Therefore, they are raised and salaries.
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 23: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: UralChel
    None of them are NO- they just live.

    А ни кто и не ноет. Просто это обворованная пенсия и обворованные зарплаты. Может Вы и грабителям на улице скажете: "Берите всё, я не буду ныть, оставьте мне только 1000 руб., мне до пенсии хватит на хлеб и воду"
  • Pasha
    Pasha 3 November 2015 10: 29 New
    +2
    Do not whine ?! They can’t. Just trying to survive. Residents in the countryside and the periphery have long been (always) silent. And some people use it.
    So what to do? MAIDAN- BLOOD? NO is not necessary. and without it it’s sickening. What then?
    I dont know.
    Can change the ruler? On whom!? On the horizon they do not show invisibly.
    It remains to live, endure. What scares another, whoever you are, how the children will live?
    They will also suffer: traffic jams (often arranged as specially), high prices for everything, slow movement of power on the problems of the people, and quick enrichment of ourselves, low level of medicine, training, change of time zones, squeals towards our homeland because border (near and far), crime in conjunction with local authorities, tremendous help to everyone but not the elderly, disabled, homeless, unemployed, low-income for various reasons, with banditry in the banking system, with an influx of migrants turning a civilized state into aul (please forgiveness), in the development of budget money - for example, to build a road and transfer it to a paid one, housing and communal services - this is generally a separate issue
    and many many more ...
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 3 November 2015 23: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Pasha
      It remains to live, endure. What scares another, whoever you are, how the children will live?

      If the government does not return social justice to people, then all this will end with October 2017 of the year. History always repeats itself.
  • Million
    Million 1 November 2015 16: 15 New
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    pension fund opinion
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 1 November 2015 20: 57 New
      0
      For Arina Rodionovna wrote poetry, what else ...
  • guzik007
    guzik007 1 November 2015 16: 16 New
    +4
    Должны были остаться «сэкономленные» денежные средства от урезания почти в 2 раза наших пенсий. Уменьшить значительно зарплату чиновникам и сократить чиновничий аппарат минимум на 25–30%. Только сократив, не устраивать их в другие государственные или муниципальные органы, а как простых смертных – на биржу труда, в центр занятости. Пусть попробуют найти работу, как обычные люди, особенно если и их возраст будет больше 45 лет. Побегать с выданным «бегунком» и потом еще попытаться объяснить, почему с двумя высшими образованиями граждане не хотят работать грузчиками, уборщицами, дворниками. Привести в соответствие зарплаты работникам госкорпораций. В частных компаниях их личное дело. Они тратят свои личные заработанные деньги. А на зарплату чиновникам идут денежки из налогов, которые мы отчисляем. Вернуть деньги, наворованные различными чиновниками, а это несколько миллиардов рублей, и др."


    The author is a bit naive, not for the reason they sculpted this state of what was to refuse their feeders. And 14 tyrov is still not very sickly, I have 12 just something, I work further and do not complain
  • apro
    apro 1 November 2015 16: 26 New
    0
    It’s not a reasonable squandering with military pensioners, ending up serving in the prime of life and life experience, retiring from the army and society, and sending to the schools because there are not so many male teachers and specific military experience would be useful for working with the future of Russia.
    1. theodore rasp
      theodore rasp 1 November 2015 17: 06 New
      0
      Send military to schools? They were not enough tests in the service? What have they done wrong that they are offered such hard labor with torture ???
      1. apro
        apro 1 November 2015 17: 09 New
        +3
        Perhaps you and I have a different understanding of the meaning of the word officer.
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 November 2015 17: 55 New
          +2
          in schools, children need to be taught a little more complicated than with soldiers .. You won’t make the system go, you can’t play 20 hang up ...
      2. guzik007
        guzik007 2 November 2015 06: 51 New
        0
        Former military to school? Fire me! Had a bitter experience when giving a child to a cadet. The first boss from the former ones got stolen, the second one - a real boot - yelled and experienced real fits of insanity, the third one seemed nice at first, but six months later, having collected money from parents for licensing, he disappeared without a trace with 100 tyrs.
        1. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 52 New
          0
          Как обычно выбрали самых "достойных" , по знакомству и открытому конкурсу!
        2. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 2 November 2015 19: 52 New
          0
          Как обычно выбрали самых "достойных" , по знакомству и открытому конкурсу!
  • evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 1 November 2015 16: 37 New
    +7
    Грустно читать и "ноющих" и "неноющих". Но зряплаты депутатов, чиновников и прочих... в гос-
    corporations are stunned on the spot. I can’t even imagine where this contingent is spending so much money.
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 1 November 2015 20: 58 New
      +1
      salt ... for the future
  • atamankko
    atamankko 1 November 2015 16: 51 New
    +3
    Social guarantees already hamper officials ...,
    reduce your numbers and ask deputies
    to do this, there are too many of you for our population.
    1. your1970
      your1970 1 November 2015 21: 51 New
      -1
      What guarantees do officials enlighten ????? !!!!!!!!!!
      79-FZ open and see how many there are ....
      Xnumx point xnumx
      about the reductions, they recently reduced the registration chamber (6 people), now the documents through the MFC and everything seems to be fine, but ... if the cant in the documents, you need to gallop to fly to the neighboring region (for 120 km) because if you do not have time - you will be denied registration and your state duty has disappeared .. The people are happy, no thanks ..
      And so in everything, the number of Functions does not decrease, the number of people decreases, the load grows, people leave and leave in cities, men leave in the countryside, only women remain in the civil service. And this is a sad reality.
  • Starik72
    Starik72 1 November 2015 17: 02 New
    +6
    Yes, I agree with the major that the pensions of small-star military and ordinary workers are small! But on the other hand, more star military, officials and businessmen are off scale. So they are the LORD-OWNER, and WE who are SLAVES! But should a SLAVE live better than the OWNER-OWNER? NO! And therefore do not cry, cry or be silent, everything will remain as before until such a leader and organizer as I.V. STALIN comes !!! Which will be able to unite and organize the SOCIETY OF PEOPLE of common views and goals! In the meantime, this will not happen, everything will be as before. And we are ordinary soldiers and hard workers do not cry, we survive!
    1. WINovikov
      WINovikov 1 November 2015 19: 16 New
      +4
      Ну почему же? Один "раб на галерах" очень даже не плохо живёт.
    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 1 November 2015 22: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Starik72
      And therefore do not cry, cry or be silent, everything will remain as before until such a leader and organizer as I.V. STALIN comes !!! Which will be able to unite and organize the SOCIETY OF PEOPLE of common views and goals!
      And when he comes, organizes, and wins, we will immediately support him without getting up from the couch (and until then we will patriotically declare that we don’t need Maidan with revolutions) laughing

      By the way, people, among whom was Stalin, were united and organized by Lenin, and the main difference between these organized and all the rest was the lack of desire to sit on sofas, and the lack of fear of revolution.
  • theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 1 November 2015 17: 02 New
    +5
    Вспомнился древний анекдот. "Вот говорят народ - хозяин страны. Не хочу быть хозяином, хочу стать слугой народа - депутатом!"
  • bubla5
    bubla5 1 November 2015 17: 03 New
    +4
    Sorry, but they don’t whine here, but state the facts. If you liquidate the State Duma, but were in history during the crisis in Russia, then the budget will be enough for everyone, because there is a council of the Federation
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 1 November 2015 22: 40 New
      0
      Quote: bubla5
      If you liquidate the State Duma, but were in history during the crisis in Russia, then the budget will be enough for everyone, because there is a Federation Council
      Enough only if you deprive the liquidated compensation.

      June 12, 2015 The maximum amount for compensation to un-elected deputies when postponing elections to the 7th State Duma from December to September 2016 may exceed 700 million rubles, or about 1,6 million per person. This was announced on Friday by the head of the Duma committee on constitutional law and state building Vladimir Pligin.
      http://www.newsru.com/russia/12jun2015/zolpar.html
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 23: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: bubla5
      Sorry, but they don’t whine here, but state the facts. If you liquidate the State Duma, but were in history during the crisis in Russia, then the budget will be enough for everyone, because there is a council of the Federation

      Do not talk nonsense. You need to change the system. The oligarchs and the fifth column to the wall or felled. We need a socialist system when no one could rob the state, when people like Stalin had nothing personal, and thieves and propagandists of capitalism, such as Solzhenitsyn, were sent to Kolyma.
      1. your1970
        your1970 1 November 2015 23: 41 New
        0
        Read the transcript of the joint meeting of communication workers and prosecutors (1935), this was happening there, my hair moved as people stole, it would seem, in execution time.
        The current ones seem to be shkolota against them - when the maximum party was 600 rubles (from Stalin), the team in the Ryazan branch managed to 2,2 million to steal parcels and transfers, somewhere else the head of the post office built a mansion and climbed up after he planted a park near him 400 adults trees brought from the forest. In Georgia, a whole system of forged
        transfers. The range in the work of the translation control bureau made it possible to steal 120 thousand rubles.
        Middle Volga Department
        —584 thousand rubles for the entire 1933 and: 1.700
        thousand roubles. for the 9 months of the 1934 (head of the communications department) T. Zharkov).
        In the East Siberian Administration in 1934, the amount of theft and loss reached almost 1 1 / 2 million rubles. (Head of Communications Department Comrade Kazakov).
        Western Siberia — there, according to statistics, waste decreased slightly. So, according to 9 months. 1934 g. Comrade Novikov still counts
        catch up and overtake 1933 g.
        In the Sverdlovsk Communications Directorate, Comrade Sinkov has a theft of over a million in the region.
        In the city of Moscow, which is especially unacceptable, the head of the postal service department, Comrade Stekhov, committed theft at the rate of —1.120

        And Central Asia, there was not even a sum, it just says, "A lot of stolen goods"

        But this is the coolest fellow fellow
        "Работник связи Западного управления Владимиров за подлоги и растраты was convicted for xnumx years imprisonment but his forgot арестовать, он и уехал" -
        ничего не напоминает,ассоциаций не вызывает???Лучше "к нам на Колыму"?

        ZY "when no one could steal from the state," - sounds a little incorrect after reading this.
        And this is a normal working meeting of that time, a working transcript, and I have no doubt that there are others, you just need to look
        1. your1970
          your1970 2 November 2015 21: 00 New
          0
          minus for 1935 year or for the fact that I didn’t shoot five or two thieves there? Or for Vladimirova? repeat
      2. UralMan
        UralMan 4 November 2015 16: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        and thieves and propagandists of capitalism, such as Solzhenitsyn, were sent to Kolyma.

        Sorry, but what Solzhenitsyn was a thief?
        And it seems that capitalism did not propagate.
        But he was a dissident, no doubt.
        --------------------
        You are the neighbor go and PARTY.
        And with what party will you be?
        If you are a communist, then their ideas are convincing ... and I do not mind.
        But I am against anarchy.
  • voronbel53
    voronbel53 1 November 2015 17: 28 New
    +4
    Previously, officials in the arsenal of mechanization had only accounts and an arithmometer. Now in the arsenal of computers, tablets and performing the same work and the same tasks, the staff is becoming more and more, and the cost of office equipment is increasing. A ready-made class of officials, people's servants, who will do everything for themselves, will not offend themselves in any circumstances, and it turns out that the one who has more rights is always right. And pensioners, as always, have to be satisfied with the remnants of the lordly table, if there is anything left, and there are less and less balances, as it is not humiliating to admit it ...
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 1 November 2015 17: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: Alcoholic
    Hmm ... Again, the topic popped up.
    And who is to live well in Russia? :)


    And what do you, Dear Alexander, do not like the topic. You are not a military pensioner, but I am the same as the author, and absolutely agree with him in everything, especially on the issue of increasing salaries for all people's deputies and big officials.

    Somehow the topic is probably uninteresting for someone, but for people like me and the author, I don’t add respect to power, Dear colleagues. hi
    1. unsinkable
      unsinkable 1 November 2015 18: 51 New
      10
      drinks
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      You are not a military pensioner,

      And I'm not a major and not a military man. I worked for 42 years, my pension is 12500. And I like the topic. And all the majors are right. And even the captains. I served urgently, and I personally saw the service of both majors and captains. I do not envy them. I respect them .
  • robbihood
    robbihood 1 November 2015 17: 35 New
    11
    Фонд борьбы с коррупцией Алексея Навального 27 октября опубликовал расследование, посвященное недвижимости семьи министра обороны Сергея Шойгу. Отметим, ранее Sobesednik.ru публиковал собственные расследования о том, как ООО, связанные с именем супруги министра Ирины Шойгу, продолжают зарабатывать на госзаказах, а дочь Ксения Шойгу организовала своеобразную платную реинкарнацию «Зарницы». Как выяснил ФБК, в ноябре 2009 года дочь Сергея Шойгу Ксения купила два участка в подмосковной деревне Барвиха площадью 1768 и 7232 квадратных метров соответственно. «Ксении тогда только исполнилось 18 лет и необходимость указывать ее в отцовской декларации отпала. Как 18-летняя студентка Ксения Шойгу стала владелицей земли минимальной стоимостью 100 тыс. долларов за сотку или $9 млн за весь участок — непонятно, и это отличный вопрос для Следственного комитета», — говорится в материалах расследования [пунктуация сохранена]. Сразу после получения земли «Ксения Сергеевна тут же взялась за строительство», утверждают в ФБК: по оценке организации, приблизительная стоимость построенного девушкой дома составляет 18 млн долларов. В апреле 2010-го и августе 2012-го Шойгу, по сведениям авторов расследования, передала один, а затем и второй участок некоей Елене Александровне Антипиной. Фонду удалось выяснить, что Антипина, скорее всего, не кто иная, как сестра супруги Сергея Шойгу Ирины Александровны Антипиной — дочери главного инженера строительного треста «Ачинскалюминстрой», где когда-то работал будущий государственный деятель. Участки якобы были переданы Елене Антипиной Фото: Скриншот с сайта Георгия Албурова — сотрудника ФБК «Мы даже хотели посмотреть вживую на эту Елену Антипину и имели глупость обсуждать затею в офисе. В итоге нас прямо у её дома поймали сотрудники ФСБ и угрозыска с Петровки и увезли в отделение под предлогом проверки на "причастность к квартирным кражам"», — отмечается в материалах ФБК. Фонд приводит фотографии, сделанные со спутника и квадрокоптера, на которых видно, что другой дом Сергея Шойгу в Барвихе по архитектурному проекту похож на тот, что находится в собственности Елены Антипиной. Старый дом министра находится рядом с владениями Юрия Воробьева — отца губернатора Московской области Андрея Воробьева, вто время как дом Елены Антипиной окружен участками двух других членов семьи Воробьева — жены Юрия Воробьева Ларисы и его сына Максима, утверждается в расследовании соратников Алексея Навального.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 1 November 2015 18: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: robbihood
      The fund managed to find out that Antipina, probably, none other than the sister of the wife of Sergei Shoigu Irina
      Вот это "скорее всего" сразу на всем ставит крест.
      Quote: robbihood
      As a result, we were caught right at her house by the FSB officers and the menace from Petrovka and taken to the police station.
      Amazing conceit among the authors of this report! laughing
      So all the same: FSB officers - or a threat ?? Вот так запросто организовать совместную операцию по задержанию "подозреваемых в ЖЕЛАНИИ "очернить" неких "друзей министра Шойгу"?.. Не знаю, как сейчас - но вообще-то эти ведомства никогда взаимной терпимостью не отличались! wassat In general, учитывая принадлежность Шойгу к МО, я бы с ходу предположил, что "силовое задержание" нарушителей проводил не кто иной, как спецназ ГРУ! Well, or Airborne, at least! laughing
      Понятно, что трудно найти чиновников, "чистых на руку", особенно высокого ранга. Понятно, что "очинно хочется обличителями выступить" - но уж если "копать" - так будьте любезны: основательно, с фактами, и без "приукрашиваний". There is a lot to think about!
      Moreover, I personally have no faith in Navalny. NO.
      1. your1970
        your1970 1 November 2015 22: 14 New
        +1
        "сотрудники ФСБ и угрозыска с Петровки и увезли в secession"-а чего не на Петровку или Лубянку?
        especially pleased - a house similar to someone else ....
    2. holding
      holding 1 November 2015 19: 57 New
      +4
      Look, right now they will zamusinuyut you here ...
      I wrote about Navalny here.
      When I mention Navalny in the comments here, they constantly drive me into minus ... all kinds of zombies.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 2 November 2015 02: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: hoot
        Look, right now they will zamusinuyut you here ...
        I wrote about Navalny here

        А не замечали, что минусы в таких случаях - "молчаливые"? Сказать-то челу нечего - а жаба давит! laughing
        А теперь подумайте: стоит ли на таких "тихушников" внимание обращать?
        By the way: this is my opinion, and IT IS HERE! And on the minuses - do not care .. the more so, everyone else doesn’t have to think like me - so that's fine wink
        1. AlexeyL
          AlexeyL 3 November 2015 15: 45 New
          0
          Вот они какие не хорошие "тихушники". Особенно которые в тихую ставят плюсы.
          And although the pros do not care ...
    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 November 2015 02: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: robbihood
      Anti-Corruption Fund Alexey Navalny October 27 published an investigation

      And then, in fact, you can not read.

      IMHO.
    4. Pasha
      Pasha 3 November 2015 10: 39 New
      0
      what they wrote about Serdyukov.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. win
        win 3 November 2015 10: 54 New
        +2
        http://ura.ru/images/news/upload/news/228/486/1052228486/150015_Ucheniya_na_Chebarkulyskom_poligone_Arhiv_Chelyabinsk__medvedev_dmitriy_serdyukov_anatoliy_3592.2395.0.0.jpg
        what did they write about Serdyukov


        The country's chief furniture maker turned out to be the most effective defense minister in decades.
        Serdyukov has established himself as a tough manager, who is able to restore order and knock out funds.
        So commented on the Russian news agency URA.ru.

        But even Baba Yaga is against
  • avia1991
    avia1991 1 November 2015 18: 26 New
    +2
    Answers in the form of unsubscribes received from the Presidential Administration and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
    It would be interesting to read what motivates the refusal to resolve the issues raised in the Presidential Office ..
  • popandopulo
    popandopulo 1 November 2015 18: 28 New
    +7
    and I agree with the author, the miraculous heroes, i.e. the military, who served in the most problematic places, the corresponding pension remuneration, prosecutors and judges, even from the MO system, do not enjoy benefits, if not special forces. state distribution officials all the means were primaries, if our military take power and shoot all the stealing bureaucrats, I will not mind, I will support them! Russian military - you are our elite, we love you.
    1. your1970
      your1970 1 November 2015 22: 06 New
      0
      popandopulo belay
      "военные России-Вы наша элита, we love you" lol .

      Grisha! And why am I so in love with you ?! © Wedding in a Robin
      good good good

      Oh, do not be fooled by men, he replaces a machine gun on his pants and escapes, and answer for a military coup ...
  • unsinkable
    unsinkable 1 November 2015 18: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: Alcoholic
    And who is to live well in Russia? :)

    I know. But * shy * to name them.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 1 November 2015 18: 44 New
      +6
      Yuri Yakovlevich Chaika knows these specific people. In particular, such is his wife:
      According to official figures, in 2011 the prosecutor general earned more than 5 million rubles, while his wife earned 3 million more ...

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чайка,_Юрий_Яковлевич
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2015 20: 07 New
      0
      We still have oil workers and auto mechanics live well.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 1 November 2015 18: 37 New
    0
    ... that is how much a reserve officer needs to work to start receiving a second pension at age 60, an average of 1500 rubles. Where these deductions go, to whom they are paid if they are not paid to the military.

    What conditions are needed to assign a second pension?

    Since 2015, the procedure for the formation and calculation of all labor (now called insurance) pensions, including the second pensions of the former military, is determined by the new pension formula.

    In order to receive a second pension, such conditions must be met simultaneously.

    The generally established age is 60 for men and 55 for women. If a military pensioner works in the North or in an enterprise with harmful conditions giving him the right to early retirement, he may receive a second pension earlier than the generally established age.
    Наличие минимального страхового стажа. Этот стаж начинает учитываться после трудоустройства на "гражданке", годы службы в силовом ведомстве в него не входят. В 2015 году минимальный страховой стаж равен 6 годам, а с 1 января 2016 года он будет ежегодно увеличиваться на год до 15 лет в 2024 году.
    The presence of the minimum amount of individual pension coefficients (points) is calculated annually and depends on the salary and contributions paid. In 2015, the IPC was set at 6,6. It will increase annually to 30 in 2025.
    The presence of a pension for seniority (or disability) through the Ministry of Defense or other law enforcement agencies.
    Completely on:
    http://www.rg.ru/2015/04/01/pensii.html
    soldier
  • unsinkable
    unsinkable 1 November 2015 18: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Byordovvv1
    And you dear Baikonur (5) watch your bazaar!

    Quote: Baikonur

    AND!? What bazaar should I follow? You probably didn’t read the article carefully.

    He thought for a long time and decided: Baikonur is not just not guilty. Baikonur is right.
  • KRIG55
    KRIG55 1 November 2015 18: 42 New
    +4
    It’s not necessary to shout about retirement, but about the fact that a herd of parasites before lunch adopts a law on raising pensions (money support) and after lunch adopts amendments to suspend the law. You don’t need a lot of laws, you need them. which are certainly fulfilled. And when a healthy fat horse proposes a law banning lace panties for women (while the country is entirely dependent on the price of oil and gas) - so maybe you need to drive him in the neck from there? But in general - they wanted capitalism - you will get. Even with developed socialism, not everything was buzzing, but now it’s even more so.
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 1 November 2015 19: 24 New
      +2
      The socialism in the form that was in the final stage, the youth, of course, does not inspire. But I am sure that as the most socially fair system, someday, it will come true.
    2. your1970
      your1970 2 November 2015 18: 12 New
      0
      KRIG55
      Do you seriously believe about panties? belay belay belay
      In fact, in addition to the media of the country 404, no one wrote about this seriously, but since those bribes are smooth, the country is 404 ....
  • slava5553
    slava5553 1 November 2015 18: 43 New
    +4
    The topic of military pensioners, and especially civilians, is a very sore subject and it’s impossible to speculate on this. If someone thinks that all problems are concentrated within the Moscow Ring Road and the Ring Road, then they are deeply mistaken, but what about those who don’t reached retirement age in regions that do the same job as in St. Petersburg and Moscow, receiving a maximum of 12000-15000 rubles.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 1 November 2015 19: 05 New
    +1
    Мы, простые граждане России, нынче переживаем последствия смены социального строя и парадигмы развития нашей страны. Раньше была "диктатура пролетариата", теперь - "диктатура чиновников". И что вы думаете? - чиновники гораздо "круче работают" на свой карман, чем те же пролетарии. И "аппетиты" их только растут. Пока "народное правосудие" не вступит в силу. Разделение по доходам основного населения и "элитного слоя" не поддаётся разумному объяснению. Обдирают по-чёрному. В таких "делах" про совесть не рассуждают.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2015 20: 27 New
      0
      Основное население работает на частных организациях- фирмах, сервисах, заводах,частники и диктуют какую зарплату платить персоналу, а владельцы этих фирм и всего остального это и есть тот самый "элитный слой" - они получают чистую прибыль, а она может быть в сотни раз больше зарплаты работника и государство на эти внутренние частные процессы особо повлиять не сможет, хоть меняй правительство хоть не меняй, как бы вам этого не хотелось.
  • Yarik
    Yarik 1 November 2015 19: 17 New
    +4
    kot28.ru (5) SU Today, 15:40 ↑ New
    Алексей,еще в 94 году я окончательно решил посвятить свою жизнь армии,тогда я не задумывался о пенсии,о зарплате,но-если государство не кормит свою армию,то кормит чужую!'ПОЧЕМУ" все так сейчас-вопросов в голове много,но если ринуться толпой в Газпром,кто будет обеспечивать безопасность наших детей?А барыг из госдуры давно пора на короткий поводок посадить вместе в манагерами с зарплатой в миллионы в день и членами...правительства!

    A huckster from the State Duma has long been time to put on a short leash together in the managersAnd gently knock the little bench out from under the legs. yes
  • tyras85
    tyras85 1 November 2015 19: 29 New
    +4
    I completely agree and support the opinion of the author of the article. Attitude towards veterans, combatants, invalids of the war in RUSSIA- swine.This is what enemies trample in the dirt our sweat, blood and health, given at the call of the motherland! ?? Uv.V.V. Putin-the Guarantor of our Rights and Freedoms. Stop BADLESS.
    The army is patient. But the Rubicon comes! Everything is human, not a consumable! Disabled person of war-II. Military pilot, holder of 2 orders of the Red Star, Order of Service to the Homeland in the USSR Armed Forces-IIIst.
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 1 November 2015 22: 57 New
      0
      Quote: tyras85
      Uv.V.V. Putin-the Guarantor of our Rights and Freedoms. Stop LANDLESS
      Путин: "...хочу еще раз подчеркнуть и сказать: возврата к прошлому не будет. Россия останется рыночной либеральной экономикой. Сегодня я хочу еще раз повторить: мы будем последовательно продолжать линию на поощрение частной инициативы, на интеграцию в мировое хозяйство..."
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=317679
  • tyras85
    tyras85 1 November 2015 19: 43 New
    +4
    With all my heart I wish officials of all ranks to receive our pensions and salaries. Maybe there will be at least one decent person. And stop this bacchanalia! You, Comrade Supreme Commander-in-Chief, have a 90% rating !!!
    And where are YOUR adequate solutions for the simple PEOPLE!? Officials, judges, deputies go in chocolate.
    Вы все, обязаны работать на НАРОД, а не на свои карманы! На деле вижу ИНОЕ!Сколько еще "надейся и жди"!??
  • fif21
    fif21 1 November 2015 19: 46 New
    +5
    There is no sense in being offended by small pensions. But to fight for the right of a pensioner to live with dignity is necessary. People in uniform are the most organized — veteran organizations, trade unions — that's our defense against bureaucratic arbitrariness. It is necessary to talk and write about it, as it is necessary to achieve decent old age for oneself. Served Homeland 29 years 0 months 23 days. Favorite song - Ata Bata soldier He left the service, offered a good job and a salary. And by the age of 60 I’ll try to ensure a decent old age. Good luck to everyone, optimism and health! soldier
  • holding
    holding 1 November 2015 19: 50 New
    -2
    So yes, 14500 is about nothing. I have a colonel-in-law, a pension of something ololo 35000.
    Here the matter is how they calculate the pension to enter it ...
    As far as I know, the FIU is a potentially corrupt office.
  • Gerurra
    Gerurra 1 November 2015 20: 05 New
    +4
    Wanted capitalism! So get it !!! Many officials and deputies will soon inherit their posts. As they settled in the nineties, you’ll get their hell out of it. Any power is sweet. Therefore, they do everything so that only they are in power. And if you check the composition of the national affiliation in power and business, then many will have questions! They never need the truth, they don’t need it! There will be no normal pensions - there will be no salaries. Otherwise, you will accumulate money in RANTE. You will begin to live on interest. You’ll lie on the power with the device. And so live puff from cover to cover. Take loans. Get into the debt loop. How can bankers be without YOU!? The country is turning into a scoop with a capitalist grin. They just don’t take anything good from our past. They only take the bad. And whoever tries to do something will have problems.
  • robbihood
    robbihood 1 November 2015 20: 12 New
    +8
    Former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov, who lost his seat in 2013 as a result of a corruption scandal, who was tried as an accused in a case of negligence resulting in serious damage (part 1 of article 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), amnestied as “Defender of the Fatherland” and Hero of Russia (in 2012, by a secret decree of the president, Serdyukov was awarded this high rank for reforming the Armed Forces), after many years of wandering and loneliness, he got a job.
    The head of the state corporation Rostec, Viktor Chemezov, added the amnestied to a modest post of industrial director of the aviation cluster. Rostec’s aviation assets, which Serdyukov will henceforth supervise, include Russian Helicopters, the United Engine Corporation, and Tekhnodinamika. Their total revenue last year amounted to almost 350 billion rubles.
    Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, declined to comment on Serdyukov’s appointment to the state corporation, since this is a “separate structure” in which neither Peskov nor Putin work.
    Former Minister of Agriculture Elena Skrynnik risks losing 60 million Swiss francs who somehow ended up on her Swiss accounts, who were arrested by the Swiss prosecutor's office in the money laundering case. Several other Skrynnik associates working in the Russian Ministry of Agriculture and Food, as well as former high-ranking employees of Rosagroleasing, are in the process. According to representatives of the Swiss prosecutor general’s office, in the spring of 2013, the agency informed Russia about the investigation and asked for assistance. But this request still remains unanswered. Therefore, money stolen from the Russian budget will go to the Swiss budget. They cannot be returned to Russia also because Elena Skrynnik is now a private person, the requirements for officials are not applied to her, and she can own any accounts anywhere in the world.
    So Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov indignantly denied the persistent rumors that Skrynnik is currently the president’s assistant for agriculture. “At present, Elena Skrynnik does not occupy any public posts,” and that’s the point. She was even expelled from the "United Russia" after the seizure of accounts "for losing contact with the party."
    After a sad experience with Serdyukov, the Russian law enforcement agencies apparently have no questions for Skrynnik. And rightly so: you start asking questions, and then it turns out that she is also the secret Hero of Russia, who received the title of secret decree. Only time to lose.
    Last week, the Alexey Navalny Anti-Corruption Fund discovered a modest Chinese-style house on Rublevo-Uspensky highway worth $ 18 million, owned by the family of the current Minister of Defense, Sergei Shoigu. And since it is not possible to purchase even such a modest housing for the income of the incumbent minister, FBK promises to send a request to the Prosecutor's Office and the Presidential Administration.
    Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov did not comment on this information. And what is there to comment on: the crystal clearness of Russian ministers - both former and current - is beyond doubt, and Navalny is a well-known fraudster, convicted by a Russian court, albeit conditionally.
    However, all this, as well as the arrest of the VGTRK package in the Euronews television channel as part of the Yukos affair, are, of course, not the main events of the past week. The main thing that occupies the minds of today's Russians is the fate of Assad, the complex relationship between Sunnis and Shiites in the Middle East and the prospects for American support for Iraqi Kurds. And this is probably correct, since all these coy-hunters with Serdyukovs are such a trifle compared to the American threat that there is nothing to say about this.
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 1 November 2015 20: 16 New
      +4
      probably he was already allowed
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 1 November 2015 23: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Yarik
        probably he was already allowed
        “Regarding the fact that he (Serdyukov) works in some capacity, as, say, an adviser in Russian Technologies, she is incorrect. He is not working anywhere. But if he wants to find a job somewhere and they will take him, I don’t think that we should hinder. A person has the right to work. This is not our 37th year, ”Putin said at a press conference following talks with Federal Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel.
        http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2012/11/16/n_2619853.shtml
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 1 November 2015 20: 34 New
    0
    In which year - count,
    In what land - guess,
    On the highway
    Seven peasants came together:
    Seven temporarily liable,
    A smart province,
    Terpigoreva county,
    Empty-voiced volost,
    From adjacent villages:
    Zablatova, Dyryaeva,
    Razutov, Znobishin,
    Gorelova, Neelova -
    Failure identity,
    Came - and argued:
    Who lives happily,
    Free in Russia?

    Roman said: to the landowner,
    Demyan said: to the official,
    Luke said: ass.
    Cupina Tolpoi! -
    Said the brothers Gubina,
    Ivan and Mitrodor.
    Old Man groined with Pakhom
    And he said, looking into the earth:
    To the noble boyar,
    To the Minister of the Tsar.
    But Prov said to the king ...


    Nikolai Nekrasov in the century before last gave an answer to this question! It is relevant now.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 1 November 2015 20: 37 New
    +3
    "Высший свет" России живёт в соответствии с лозунгом из бессмертной комедии Гайдая: "Жить - хорошо! - А хорошо жить - ещё лучше!"(лозунг барыг)
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 1 November 2015 20: 51 New
    0
    You're miserable,
    You're plentiful,
    You and the mighty,
    You and impotent
    Mother Russia!

    Saved in slavery
    Heart free
    Gold gold
    The heart of the people!

    The power of the people
    Power is mighty -
    Conscience is calm,
    True tenacious!

    Force with untruth
    Does not get along
    The victim is not true
    Not called, -

    Russia does not stir,
    Russia is as dead!
    And it burned in her
    Hidden spark, -

    Stood - nebuzheny,
    Out - uninvited,
    Live by grain
    Mountains are applied!

    Rat rises -
    Uncountable!
    The power in it will affect
    Indestructible!

    You're miserable,
    You're plentiful,
    You and the downtrodden,
    You and omnipotent
    Mother Russia!


    And this tale is for deaf and blind authorities! Let them remember from history what this blindness and deafness turns into !!!
  • igorra
    igorra 1 November 2015 21: 04 New
    +1
    Do officers not whine? Stop breeding for pity. There were rations in the army, no matter what kind of housing mattress, finally they gave out uniforms, buying clothes less than half, telling how we lived in civilian life? In the 90s we weren’t given a salary for half a year or a year, we have nowhere to live, we didn’t see children, whoever turned around as best they could, but what I say, everyone who is older (who is alive) remembers these times well and we went to change anything to military units. He’s crying here, his pension is small, and what didn’t go to work further, to earn an addition to the military pension. It hurts on the last wave of euphoria, they began to spare all the military in droves. I want to ask who served, all the officers adequately performed their duty?
    And finally, how to compare who is worthy of a good pension, this one who gave the oath to all the hardships or a little woman from a remote Smolensk village facing the road to the drivers, overcoming shame, just to feed her hungry children's mouths (to which the witness himself reconstructed Minka and the Finns at 95 -96gg). An officer is now crawling out, not officers. All that I wanted to say, and now let's minus and God will judge you.
    1. corn
      corn 1 November 2015 21: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: igorra
      He’s crying here, his pension is small, and what didn’t go to work further, to earn an addition to the military pension.

      You got very excited. I think you need to admit that you are wrong in the part quoted by me.
      I am an officer with 23 years of service and 20 years of civil service.
      I think I’ve seen a little more than you in my life, but I don’t allow myself to be boorish.
      1. igorra
        igorra 1 November 2015 22: 08 New
        +1
        I saw that, and even more. Any educated person (to whom I refer real officers, but not you) will never put himself above those whom he defends or educates. And how to name the person whom weaned was kept by the state, I note with the money of a taxpayer who aches that he has a pension almost at the level of those whom he was obliged to protect, in my opinion this profession is not chosen from commercial interests. I think the discussion is over, read the biography of the great Russian officers and do not disgrace the epaulettes. I have the honor.
        1. corn
          corn 1 November 2015 22: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: igorra
          I have the honor.

          Чести не имеешь, обращения на "Вы" не заслуживаешь. В "чёрный список" - шагом марш.
    2. Severok
      Severok 1 November 2015 21: 55 New
      +2
      Tough, but fair.
    3. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 2 November 2015 20: 19 New
      +1
      Эх, мил человек ни хрена-то ты не понял! Дело-то не в деньгах, не в пенсии "Ваньки-взводного" , а в отношении к людям , а военным пенсионерам в частности, в нашем долбаном государстве!
  • Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 1 November 2015 21: 41 New
    0
    Это их правила игры и эти правила их устраивают. А что касается народа, то лишь в редкие моменты истории у власти к нему бывает интерес, но заметьте, не бескорыстно. В любом случае, бездарная власть погубит себя, отрицательный (неестественный отбор) не может длится долго. Ресурсы на латание дыр после работы "эффективных менеджеров" заканчиваются, грядет смена понятий.
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 2 November 2015 20: 26 New
      0
      Yes, this power does not destroy itself, to hell with it with this power! She is destroying Russia!
      1. Vladimir K
        Vladimir K 3 November 2015 11: 42 New
        0
        Read carefully: a change of concepts is coming.
    2. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 2 November 2015 20: 26 New
      0
      Yes, this power does not destroy itself, to hell with it with this power! She is destroying Russia!
  • zoba1963
    zoba1963 1 November 2015 21: 43 New
    +2
    да дело в системе. я строитель в 90-е работал на 2-3 работах. а сейчас провожали на пенсию (10000) начальника строительства! и Это человек всю жизнь на стройке, мне сейчас 52 в месяц на лекарство только этот червонец трачу. про пенсию даже боюсь подумать. а насчёт защиты отечества, где были во время двойного его разрушения в 1990 и 1993. я лично видел только "доблестных танкистов" пукающих из своих коробочек по верховному совету.
  • corn
    corn 1 November 2015 21: 45 New
    +4
    The author raised a topic that is sore for military pensioners, but he treats numbers quite freely.
    Pension indexation was provided not in 2,5%, but in 2% annually.
    To date, taking into account all indexations, the pension is not 54%, but about 67% of the calculated one.
    Цифра в 40 миллионов военных пенсионеров при том, что всего будет к концу 2015 года 43млн пенсионеров( с учётом Крыма), вызывает "лёгкое" замешательство.
    Emotion is good, but evidence is better.
  • Severok
    Severok 1 November 2015 21: 53 New
    0
    How to increase pensions - the author of the article has already given an answer to this. Drive the hell out of a breech official kodlu loafers! See how many people are sitting in soft chairs in each city of all Russia in the following institutions: Pension Fund; Treasury of all ranks; Labor exchanges (a completely useless institution, because of my loved ones in 15 years I have never helped anyone find a job in their specialty); Ministries of Regions and the Duma; Municipalities of urban districts; City halls and city administrations (sit ... Sea managers); Trade unions (I have not seen independents for a long time, years since 1989) and other and other .... And in the courts, how many loafers - helpers, secretaries, their guard from the bailiffs (there were police and excellent control!)

    You can continue! If all these bloodsuckers go into the production of at least milk and meat, you can put on all sanctions!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 23: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Severok
      How to increase pensions - the author of the article has already given an answer to this. Drive the hell out of a breech official kodlu loafers!

      We must think more broadly if you are a military man. When I was a lieutenant, I was taught to think for a battalion and constantly commanded not only a platoon, but also a company.
      Bureaucracy should not be dispersed, but rotten capitalism should be replaced by socialism. It is necessary to maintain for now the only party in the State Duma of the Communist Party, the others are all corrupt. Only socialism gave the people of Russia everything for free, only socialism defended freedom, defeated the Nazis and did not let us enslave them, only socialism created such a science, industry and army that still defends Russia with military developments of the USSR.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2015 11: 26 New
      -1
      Even if all pensioners and beneficiaries pay 20000 rubles each month, it will be necessary to pay 10 trillion rubles a year, even if all officials be reduced by several times and taken away from all the rich, this money will last only for a maximum of 2 years, and then what ?
    3. your1970
      your1970 2 November 2015 18: 24 New
      0
      Severok request
      If by chance you didn’t know, the Soviet bailiff service was under the USSR, which was engaged in exactly the same functions as it is now. There was one small exception - when sentencing for more than 10 years, the police were always present in the courtroom (the bailiffs didn’t have weapons request )
      and the assistants with the secretaries were also in court ...
      And the Treasury was-called the State Bank and was again engaged in the same functions as now ... but with a large staff, there was much more production
      And district executive committees (current mayoralties repeat ) - were ...

      The only thing did not have really - labor exchanges that did not exist, that did not exist ...
  • tyras85
    tyras85 1 November 2015 22: 37 New
    +1
    За обнищание населения и в ч.к. пенсионеров МО РФ,Премьеру г-ну Медведеву присвоен орден "За заслуги перед Отечеством"-I-й !!!!!!!!!!!!!! степени. Браво,скоро каждому гражданину РОССИИ присвоят звание Героя РФ.ЗА ТЕРПЕНИЕ и МОЛЧАНИЕ. Аналогия-логична.
  • Just BB
    Just BB 2 November 2015 06: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: corn


    I am an officer with 23 years of service and 20 years of civil service.

    И что? Набрали минимум и "с корабля" (а ведь самые "жестокие" годы: 95-98, для Армии наступали) - имейте мужество не хныкать!
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 2 November 2015 09: 17 New
    +3
    Да,пенсии военным никто повышать и не думает,а вот ЖКХ любой "прыщ" из чиновников норовит установить по своему усмотрению! А не пора ли нам вновь объедениться господа офицеры и спросить с нынешних правителей о том доколе они будут грабить население страны и нас в том числе и кто им позволил распоряжаться национальным достоянием народа-недрами !В принципе все они самозванцы узурпировавшие власть,а не нанятые нами работники! Вот и считают,что наши карманы- их кошельки! А по поводу отдельных категорий,которым пенсии выплачиваются в полном объеме так тут все просто и логично:кто же будет морить голодом своих "цепных псов", а то ведь без них не долго и ответить за все свои проказы!
  • 31rus
    31rus 2 November 2015 09: 20 New
    +1
    There is nothing to talk about, no one will do nothing for us, just fight and achieve
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 2 November 2015 10: 02 New
    +3
    Правильная статья. О пенсионеров ""слуги народа" всегда вытирали ноги.