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Experts on Ukrainian tanks

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Edition "Star" published the comments of military experts on the updates of the Ukrainian defense industry, writes "Russian newspaper".




“All the“ novelties ”of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex over the past couple of years are such pathetic attempts to make“ at least something ”that a tear is already welling up. The “new” attack helicopter - after the Mi-2 was still in 1960, was painted in a fashionable color. The Hopak rifle is a cross between a Kalashnikov assault rifle, components of a PKM machine gun, a silencer assembled in a garage, and bipods purchased on the Internet. FROM tanks everything is not better, because the Soviet developments in modern combat are for the most part not relevant, and there are no personal successes in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, ”Mikhail Tikhonov, military engineer, candidate of technical sciences.

Earlier, the head of the armored control department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Yuriy Melnik, said that by the end of the year several modernized T-72 tanks with a new NATO-standard fire control system would arrive at the Armed Forces, the newspaper writes.

“The Polish-made system, which Ukrainians are going to equip T-72, will not give any superiority on the battlefield. In order for a tank to become a truly effective combat unit operating with maximum mobility, there is a whole need to rework and rebuild. A good example of competent work on a familiar design is the T-90MS tank. Despite the similarity with the T-72, this is a completely new car. Fire control systems there are not mounted on top of standard electronics, but are tied into a single combat information and control system. Solutions to improve the combat properties of the tank should be implemented in a complex, not separately, ”- military expert, chief editor of the magazine“ Arsenal of the Fatherland ”Victor Murakhovsky.

The article notes that, according to experts, the Ukrainian "modernization" of the T-72 is "no more than wasted labor and money thrown to the wind, since NATO equipment mounted on top of Soviet electronics and operating on other frequencies of the communication system are not capable of increasing combat capability tank connections. "

“If you recall the five-day war, when the Russian army squeezed the Georgian troops out from the territory of Ossetia, they came across T-72, modernized with imported equipment. Georgian tanks, in particular, were equipped with Israeli observation and reconnaissance systems, which cost a lot of money, but did not help the Georgian tank crews. In the case of the modernization of the T-72 in Ukraine, it’s rather just loud statements than real work aimed at improving the quality and survivability of tanks in battle. There are no systems for protecting new ones, communication is according to NATO standards, although Ukraine is not a NATO member and has never been a part of the system ... A complex of strange and incomprehensible measures to be taken ”, - Oleg Sadovnichy, a specialist in electronic radio electronic equipment and control systems .
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 29 October 2015 13: 09 New
    67
    Experts about Ukrainian tanks ... lol


    How so? It can't be ... laughing

    1. andr327
      andr327 29 October 2015 13: 12 New
      +9
      Может, но "мос кали" украли fellow
      1. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 29 October 2015 13: 36 New
        90
        Новинка от бронетанкового управления Минобороны Украины - БМП " Хряк "
        1. razv35
          razv35 29 October 2015 14: 11 New
          +7
          Is a boar a castrated hog? I understand correctly?)))))
          1. jjj
            jjj 29 October 2015 14: 18 New
            14
            Hog, on the contrary, is a castrated boar
        2. mamont5
          mamont5 29 October 2015 14: 24 New
          +1
          And where is the new TTPP-15 tank (Petro Porosenko’s heavy tank of the 2015 model of the year)?
        3. chinArmy
          chinArmy 31 October 2015 17: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          Новинка от бронетанкового управления Минобороны Украины - БМП " Хряк "

          comments drop to the sandbox level

          давайте ещё наковыряем смешных картинок и подпишем под ними "вероятный противник или все, кто нам не нравится"

          по мне, так на ВОЕННОМ ОБОЗРЕНИИ надо жёстко модерировать реплики "не по теме"
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    2. Tor5
      Tor5 29 October 2015 13: 37 New
      +2
      А что у них своего есть в принципе? Само собой понятно, что это элементарный "распил"!
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    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 29 October 2015 14: 32 New
      +3
      And how proud they were that the Thais managed to vparit strongholds. I'm really not sure that they all set.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 29 October 2015 16: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: vodolaz
        I'm really not sure that they all set

        Put like 5-10 pieces, then stalled
  2. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 29 October 2015 13: 09 New
    10
    Who would doubt it .... in general, the efficiency of Ukroengineers goes off scale in the values ​​of three zeros after commas
    1. Tanker55
      Tanker55 29 October 2015 13: 58 New
      +1
      They, UkroKhokhlyaty have nothing to eat, and here is a new weapon to invent. fool
  3. prabiz
    prabiz 29 October 2015 13: 10 New
    82
    Ukrainians are miracles in the world of weapons! laughing
    1. Sober
      Sober 29 October 2015 13: 34 New
      +8
      How did you manage to get such classified information?
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. soaring
      soaring 29 October 2015 14: 57 New
      +4
      Thank prabiz !!! I almost fell out of a chair from laughter ...... laughing Super weapon- and getting on the galloping is difficult! This is probably a 5 ++ tank !? Where do we go to ..... lol
  4. Abbra
    Abbra 29 October 2015 13: 11 New
    15
    In development of such a global theme ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 29 October 2015 13: 16 New
      46
      But I liked this development. Now autumn will turn out cheaply and angrily. lol
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 October 2015 13: 20 New
        +8
        Quote: keel 31
        But I liked this development.

        В ВОВ был танк "НИ" (На испуг), а это танк "НХХ" (На ха-ха). yes
      2. Altona
        Altona 29 October 2015 13: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: keel 31
        But I liked this development. Now autumn will turn out cheaply and angrily.

        ---------------------
        Again ... Food .. laughing
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 29 October 2015 21: 19 New
          +1
          But I liked this development. Now autumn will turn out cheaply and angrily.
          ---------------------
          Again ... Food .. laughing


          Fuel! And gas is not a treba.
      3. Sober
        Sober 29 October 2015 13: 28 New
        +3
        What about disguise? This is not nanotechnology for you! No Bulochkin (in the role of Nikolai Kryuchkov) on the U-2 night bomber will be detected!
    2. pvv113
      pvv113 29 October 2015 18: 51 New
      11
      Well, Great Ukrosten is a separate issue.
  5. shosha
    shosha 29 October 2015 13: 13 New
    +4
    Mercedes in the hands of an Indian - scrap.
  6. pts-m
    pts-m 29 October 2015 13: 13 New
    +4
    it seems like they scooped up cardboard armor from above, and gives everything to the HTZ (horseradish tank zbrue).
  7. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 29 October 2015 13: 14 New
    +4
    Главное гражданам Украины мозги "запудрить", а деньги спереть. Эх, Яценюк.
  8. venaya
    venaya 29 October 2015 13: 15 New
    +5
    In the case of the modernization of the T-72 in Ukraine, there are more likely just loud statements than real work

    The stump of the country is not able to compete with a streamlined production machine, there is nothing surprising here. No matter how hard they tried, but they won’t be able to get anything full, no one was able to start everything all over again in a very short time, and even without money.
    1. goose
      goose 29 October 2015 14: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: venaya
      The stump of the country is not able to compete with a streamlined production machine, there is nothing surprising here. No matter how hard they tried, but they won’t be able to get anything full, no one was able to start everything all over again in a very short time, and even without money.

      Yes, Ukraine could sink a normal tank, either on the basis of experiments, or on the basis of the T-72 or T-64, but the Government of clowns, populists and uneducated degenerates is not capable of anything constructive. All they can do is live on the monopolies of the distribution of housing and communal services, take loans and tax them. Here are all the knowledge and opportunities in the economy. Unfortunately, in Russia the same is not far gone.
      1. unsinkable
        unsinkable 29 October 2015 19: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: goose
        Yes, Ukraine could wash down a normal tank,

        Quote: goose
        Unfortunately, in Russia the same is not far gone.

        1. Where is the money, Zin? 2.And here, my friend, you froze. You are blind and deaf. Even the enemies admitted that our armed forces made a huge breakthrough in all areas of military affairs.
    2. 2s1122
      2s1122 29 October 2015 14: 37 New
      +4
      It depends on the leadership, how the country is controlled and the tanks. But Korea and Israel, albeit small but cocky, know how to make equipment for their needs.
  9. C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 29 October 2015 13: 16 New
    +6
    Driving The secret is to remain secret))) In Ukraine, a competitor to the “cardboard“ Almaty ”was created - from a tractor and a tank:
    http://www.politnavigator.net/na-ukraine-sozdali-konkurenta-kartonnojj-armaty-iz


    -traktora-i-cisterny.html
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 30 October 2015 10: 15 New
      +1
      Thanks for the link ... they kind of warned me, but still I was shocked and awed by the genius ... of the designers ... there are no words - one cackle laughing
  10. Sasha75
    Sasha75 29 October 2015 13: 16 New
    30
    Well, they want at least something to be like the NATO members, well, they have a dream, and so right now, as children straight))).
    1. Sober
      Sober 29 October 2015 13: 32 New
      +6
      The place of glory of heroes
      1. vitaliy.rnd
        vitaliy.rnd 29 October 2015 13: 40 New
        +8
        The place of flushing of the heroes.
    2. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 29 October 2015 13: 59 New
      +1
      Место где херои писают по стойке "Смирно"!
      1. jjj
        jjj 29 October 2015 14: 20 New
        +4
        And breathtaking, and tears welling up
    3. 2s1122
      2s1122 29 October 2015 14: 50 New
      +1
      yes such downs that run with krsaka need to look for. As Lavrov says .... b ... b?. These grasshoppers show exactly pride and rushing holes at all. drinks to shit
  11. dr.star75
    dr.star75 29 October 2015 13: 16 New
    +2
    And on the trunk what? Winked a flasher with a towel? yes
    1. your1970
      your1970 29 October 2015 19: 46 New
      0
      plus for you! there really is something attached to it like a flasher: they say like I'm going, everything from the road ....
  12. yan 2015
    yan 2015 29 October 2015 13: 17 New
    +3
    Ukrainian tanks .. it's like Madagascar fighters sound. already good troll Ukrainian defense industry. \ if of course there is one \
    1. 0255
      0255 29 October 2015 14: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: yan 2015
      Ukrainian tanks .. it's like Madagascar fighters sound. already good troll Ukrainian defense industry. \ if of course there is one \

      ВСУ уже массово используют пикапы с пулемётами, хотя им от "русских оккупантов" досталось много военных заводов. Вот на чём ВСУ "перемогают путлеровскую агрессию":



      Reminds a computer game where the arrows stand near the exploding barrels.

      And dream of taking Moscow. Tremble, quilted jackets, when dill arrives to take your capital on such ukromobiles laughing

      The longer the war goes on, the more such shushpanzery use the Ukrainian military. And Poroshenko, who raised his fortune by 7 times, clearly does not want to invest his money in Ukrainian industry
      1. 2s1122
        2s1122 29 October 2015 14: 59 New
        +2
        Well, duck is the strongest army in Europp, otttt sttrarahaa hand is yeast. If standing in the toilet it is possible. ......? bully
      2. Varyag_1973
        Varyag_1973 29 October 2015 15: 08 New
        +3
        Test photos! I’m just wondering, why on the first photo, on the machine-gun shield SHIPA ?! For more intimidation ?!

        Ну а "Газон" с надписью "на Москву", это вообще жесть! Наши точно от смеха помрут, если такая укровафля на них попрет!
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 29 October 2015 21: 24 New
          +3
          Ну а "Газон" с надписью "на Москву", это вообще жесть! Наши точно от смеха помрут, если такая укровафля на них попрет!


          That ce minibus for migrant workers!
      3. sssla
        sssla 29 October 2015 15: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: 0255
        APU already massively use pickups with machine guns

        Che it reminds me!
        1. sssla
          sssla 29 October 2015 15: 21 New
          +3
          And vague doubts gnaw me !!
          1. sssla
            sssla 29 October 2015 15: 22 New
            +2
            А а а я понял )) Это "умеренные " ВС УкрАйны на фото у 0255)
            1. 0255
              0255 29 October 2015 15: 46 New
              +4
              Quote: sssla
              А а а я понял )) Это "умеренные " ВС УкрАйны на фото у 0255)

              Ukrainian gantraks are very similar to the Islamist gantraks. Although not all. There is no such thing in the Middle East:


              It generally kills to death by its appearance, I was shocked when I first saw:

              1. MSL
                MSL 30 October 2015 15: 25 New
                +1
                "Безумный Макс"? Вторая часть?
        2. Homo
          Homo 29 October 2015 16: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: sssla
          Che it reminds me!

          Why be surprised? The instructors are the same! soldier
          1. 0255
            0255 29 October 2015 17: 20 New
            +5
            Homo (6) SU Today, 16:26 ↑
            Why be surprised? The instructors are the same!

            Before the start of the anti-terrorist operation, Bandera’s soldiers did not require instructions from the United States, but not in large numbers.
            1944 год. Шушпанцер хэроев Украины - дивизии СС «Галичина», захваченный поляками из Армии Краёвой, корпус Т-26 на ходовой части тягача СТЗ-5. Бандерлоги, оказывается, ещё в ВОВ строили не менее "доставляющую" технику, чем их сегодняшние последователи на Донбассе.

            Shushpanzer UNA-UNSO in Transnistria, 1992. It turns out that UNA-UNSO fought in the PMR against the Moldovan troops, defended the Transnistrian Ukrainians. Svidomo now shouting that Russia occupied Transnistria from poor Moldova, let them know that in 1992 banderlogs also fought not for Moldovans.

            В 1990-х предлагали такую "РСЗО" на экспорт:
  13. Igor39
    Igor39 29 October 2015 13: 18 New
    +3
    But what about the Bastion? They said nothing for this tank
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 29 October 2015 13: 25 New
      +4
      A tool for testing the nervous system of the military of Thailand - the only country that risked to acquire it ...
    2. Ribwort
      Ribwort 29 October 2015 13: 44 New
      0
      Да что Оплот! Где обзор новейшего укро-бандеровского танка "Гайдамак"? belay
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  14. Masya masya
    Masya masya 29 October 2015 13: 18 New
    +5
    Oh, byad, byad, chagrin ... crying
  15. Engineer
    Engineer 29 October 2015 13: 18 New
    +2
    While reading the title of the article, you do not expect an article about the modernization of the T-72 more than in general.
  16. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 29 October 2015 13: 19 New
    10
    Colleagues, and what they (Ukrainians) still do. The defense industry, in fact, fell apart. Well, it’s necessary to live as it should, and such distortions begin. The state pays for these quirks, most likely yes, otherwise there would be nothing to fool about. Ukraine’s export potential is lost for a long time, if, in connection with the transition to NATO standards, not always. Let them be weird, especially since most likely it’s just boltology.
    Whatever the child would entertain, if only he would not cry. Moreover, the combat effectiveness of all this eccentricity is very doubtful.

    Well, such an opinion, dear colleagues. hi
  17. Altona
    Altona 29 October 2015 13: 21 New
    25
    There is nothing special to comment on, which country, such and tanks ...
  18. samoletil18
    samoletil18 29 October 2015 13: 23 New
    +4
    Yes x with them and their tanks! Even if they do something more worthwhile, then in a series on what means will they launch? And this is not only about tanks.
  19. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 29 October 2015 13: 23 New
    +4
    The article notes that, according to experts, the Ukrainian "modernization" of the T-72 is "no more than wasted labor and money thrown to the wind, since NATO equipment mounted on top of Soviet electronics and operating on other frequencies of the communication system are not capable of increasing combat capability tank connections. "
    Modernization in Ukrainian
  20. AlexTires
    AlexTires 29 October 2015 13: 24 New
    +5
    They do not need to think about tanks, but how to save people from starvation and devastation. What the hell is going on .....
  21. crumb
    crumb 29 October 2015 13: 29 New
    +7
    вертолет "ЛЕВ",недовинтовка "ГОПАК",танк "САЛОЕД",бункер "АМИНЬ"-и это еще не весь спектр инноваций 1 психиатрической больницы им.С.Бендеры г.Киева.
    1. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 29 October 2015 14: 40 New
      +2
      range of innovations of 1 psychiatric hospital named after S. Bender in Kiev

      It seems so far to them. Pavlova. But how many branches throughout Kiev: the administration of the pres ... and the Rada and Golovna Office of the SBU Ruins. So many shpigunou were glorified for aposhni rock, + a nursery of jumping maydauns with a conditioned reflex to the appearance of imported cookies, and now the Central Design Bureau Uzbraennyau 404!
    2. 0255
      0255 29 October 2015 14: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: croche
      вертолет "ЛЕВ",недовинтовка "ГОПАК",танк "САЛОЕД",бункер "АМИНЬ"-и это еще не весь спектр инноваций 1 психиатрической больницы им.С.Бендеры г.Киева.

      But what Svidomity think about their army belay Open the picture in a new tab
      1. The Chat
        The Chat 29 October 2015 15: 29 New
        +2
        d .. the richer Dumka riches ...
      2. By001261
        By001261 29 October 2015 18: 16 New
        +3
        Here (as Lavrov said there) D .... S
      3. silver_roman
        silver_roman 29 October 2015 19: 00 New
        0
        I think even sick nooks will understand and see a catch here. In Ukraine, there was never a ka-52. Tu-160 was cut during the collapse of the USSR.
        1. TanakaKenshin
          TanakaKenshin 29 October 2015 19: 50 New
          0
          Quote: silver_roman
          I think even sick nooks will understand and see a catch here. In Ukraine, there was never a ka-52. Tu-160 was cut during the collapse of the USSR.

          And the Tiger came from somewhere ...
      4. TanakaKenshin
        TanakaKenshin 29 October 2015 19: 47 New
        0
        And nothing more to say.
      5. Vladimir73
        Vladimir73 30 October 2015 10: 24 New
        0
        Gee, I understood the joke, they swapped the flags ... gee wassat
  22. Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 October 2015 13: 34 New
    +3
    Kharkov never learned how to make good tanks, despite all the attempts of well-wishers in the Central Committee of the CPSU and in the USSR Ministry of Defense.
  23. mpzss
    mpzss 29 October 2015 13: 34 New
    +7
    still need a monument to our fathers! Such a potential was laid in the T-72, that as soon as they do not scoff at him in Ukraine, and he works NAPPOIN them! Well, how can they not spoil him!
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 29 October 2015 13: 53 New
      0
      So the device is Tagil. And this is not Khuhry-Mukhra!
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 29 October 2015 21: 31 New
      0
      need a monument to our fathers! Such a potential was laid in the T-72, that as soon as they do not scoff at him in Ukraine, and he works BAD for them! Well, they can't spoil him!


      В рамках "декоммунизации"...
  24. Wolka
    Wolka 29 October 2015 13: 35 New
    +1
    to get something new, you need to create this new, and to create this new you need brains and money, which in modern Ukraine is clearly not enough ...
  25. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 13: 36 New
    -7
    The opinion of couch specialists of Zvezda and the Russian newspaper is very important to us.

    They criticize the Ukrainian modernization of the T-72, we ourselves buy hundreds of troops into the troops ... And in Georgia our tankers defeated, not the tanks. T-3B tanks are objectively worse than T-72SIM72

    They are also attacked by Oplot, but in fact, why is it worse or better than the same T-90A? The car is quite at the level of the 2000s.
    1. Riv
      Riv 29 October 2015 13: 57 New
      +4
      Have you heard the noise? It was Petrosyan who read your post and fainted with envy.
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 14: 04 New
        +1
        Mmm, what did you want to say with your comment? Am I wrong about something?
    2. Comrade Bender
      Comrade Bender 29 October 2015 14: 03 New
      +2
      Russian modernization can not be compared with the mocking modernization of Ukrogabons. So don’t sing songs about hopak.
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 14: 06 New
        0
        Why is shittyB3 better than the proposed Ukrainian modernization? Announce the entire list please.
        1. goose
          goose 29 October 2015 14: 46 New
          +1
          To begin with, the modernization of different tanks is discussed.
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          Why is shittyB3 better than the proposed Ukrainian modernization? Announce the entire list please.

          1. Price. Investing in the economy. The creation of the T-84 will cost at least 90 million of the base T-80. Whereas the T-72B3 is only 52 million, of which 30 million is actually financial support to UVZ.
          2. Basis - the older T-72 and cheaper, instead of the brand new expensive T-80
          3. AZ for long submunitions
          4. All components are manufactured on the territory of the Republic of Belarus or the Russian Federation.

          Details.
          Booking a T-72B3 forehead is quite enough against the Papuans, the board is protected from manual means, the T-84 didn’t have a serious side booking, and the forehead is better, but not much. The quality of the DZ is better for the T-72B3, especially against sub-caliber shells, in fact, the Ukrainian DZ works only against cumulatives. The capabilities of the sighting system and communications are comparable. A two-stroke diesel for a tank is a palliative in the northern latitudes. They suffered on the T-64, in the winter it is not combat-ready. In total, the T-84 has only 2 pluses: the remote control and the controversial booking of the side, which the old ammunition RPG-7 and the Flies do not penetrate. Against the rest of the minuses, it does not look at all. In addition, for the production of T-84, it is necessary to organize production, where separate and considerable money will be invested.

          Each point is enough to prefer the T72B3, given the scale of the army.
          1. KGB WATCH YOU
            KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 15: 04 New
            -3
            Firstly, an article about the Ukrainian modernization of the T-72, not the T-80. Secondly, I hope you joked about the fact that the T-72B3 is better than the T-84?
            Если что, Т-84 "Оплот" аналог Т-90, а БМ "Оплот" сравним с нашим Т-90СМ.
            1. Kars
              Kars 29 October 2015 15: 09 New
              +6
              Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
              First, an article about the Ukrainian modernization of the T-72, not the T-84

              Firstly, this is a truncated article.

              Worthless Oplot of Ukraine: how Kiev “modernized” the Soviet T-72 tank

              http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201510270756-epwk.htm
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 29 October 2015 15: 56 New
            +5
            for goose

            "Бронирование лба Т-72Б3 вполне достаточно против папуасов,"///

            If the Papuans have TOW-2, how is it in Syria - will the forehead stand it?
            1. Forest
              Forest 31 October 2015 11: 50 New
              0
              The forehead - most likely will withstand the TOW (after all, there is no prohibitive penetration there), but Panzerfaust will also absorb the sides.
    3. ultra
      ultra 29 October 2015 14: 39 New
      11
      Соглашусь в Вами,а самое печальное что комментарии к статье,в основном,на уровне "цензора".В последние два года сайт деградирует как по уровню материала,так и по уровню комментариев. crying
    4. 2s1122
      2s1122 29 October 2015 15: 30 New
      +2
      You see what’s the matter, when in KB they created a new T-14 on the Armat platform, people like you started writing that it’s very expensive and we don’t need to buy T-80s and T-90s. You’ve made your choice and the leadership will draw conclusions. hi
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 17: 05 New
        0
        You see what’s the matter, when in KB they created a new T-14 on the Armat platform, then people like you started writing that it’s very expensive and we don’t need such ones better to buy T-80 and T-90


        Are you ready to confirm your words? wink I never wrote that the T-14 is too expensive. The faster we replace Soviet turret guns, the better (T-90A can be upgraded to T-90AM and they can also be left in service).
    5. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 29 October 2015 16: 29 New
      +4
      Объясняю: Можно с ног до головы увешать старый танк чем угодно, он новее, не станет. Ну, не делает Украина танков, и даже кап.ремонтов, не проводит. Даже, не разбирают до конца, об испытаниях корпуса на герметичность и речи нет. Чувствуете разницу, между МОДЕРНИЗАЦИЕЙ, и "МОДЕРНИЗАЦИЕЙ по украински" ? Таков теперь ХТЗ,и прочая промышленность.
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 17: 18 New
        +2
        I did not find newer statistics
        For the indicated period of time (2005-2011), Ukraine has sold more than 6 hundred tanks (to be exact - 618). So, in 2005, 62 vehicles were sold, of which 25 were delivered to Azerbaijan, 16 were received by Georgia, and 21 tanks were sent to Algeria. In 2006, the number of exported tanks amounted to 38 units, of which 20 received the Democratic Republic of the Congo, 1 - the United States of America and 17 - Azerbaijan. In 2007, 155 tanks were sold, Kenya and Georgia received approximately the same number of vehicles (77 and 74 units, respectively). In 2008, Ukraine exported 34 tanks, of which only one was delivered to Georgia, and all the rest went to Kenya. In 2009, the state did not export armored vehicles at all. In 2010, the largest number of equipment was delivered over the entire period - 216 tanks, of which 115 went to Sudan, 1 received America, and 100 were sent to Congo.

        T-72B1, T-72M1, T-72UA1, T-80BV, T-55
  26. Sober
    Sober 29 October 2015 13: 37 New
    +2
    Well, on this subject rested, relaxed. Thank.
  27. Mitrich76
    Mitrich76 29 October 2015 13: 40 New
    +2
    To carry out modernization, in addition to workers, specialists are needed, and not Maidan horses. And this is a very difficult matter. But if you cut the money and wind new devices with electrical tape to existing ones, the technique will not become better.
    Which is what we see.
  28. BOB044
    BOB044 29 October 2015 13: 41 New
    +2

    Earlier, the head of the armored control department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Yuriy Melnik, said that by the end of the year several modernized T-72 tanks with a new NATO-standard fire control system would arrive at the Armed Forces, the newspaper writes.
    Whatever the child was amusing, he wouldn’t cry. The poor are wretched. It is a sin to laugh at sick people. fool
  29. asadov
    asadov 29 October 2015 13: 42 New
    +1
    The best option for modernizing Ukrainian tanks is to dig them into the ground and use them as stationary firing points. Fuel economy and do not need to dig graves after the destruction of firing points.
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  30. Kars
    Kars 29 October 2015 13: 43 New
    +8
    A good example of competent work on a familiar design is the T-90MS tank.

    In principle, you do not expect anything else from Murakhovsky. There is nothing particularly literate, everything is in the usual standard of material base and electronics progress. What’s easier to say to neighbors to kick than to explain why the development of armored vehicles in the Russian Federation with the T-90 has stalled for 15 years.
    1. teron
      teron 29 October 2015 13: 51 New
      +6
      "...чем обьяснить почему с Т-90 развитие бронетехники в РФ пробуксовала на месте 15 лет."

      What is there to explain - after the collapse of the Union, the Russian leadership was engaged in anything, but not the development of the military-industrial complex and the strengthening of defense. Either there was no money, then political will, then some kind of undercover games were muddy. Just a few years ago they remembered that the army should not only be reformed, but also armed with something modern. But two decades - down the drain. About the same in Ukraine, only now there is barely enough money there, and ideas roam.
    2. ultra
      ultra 29 October 2015 14: 44 New
      +5
      Kars is back !!!! Welcome! drinks
    3. Seaman77
      Seaman77 29 October 2015 14: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Kars
      A good example of competent work on a familiar design is the T-90MS tank.

      In principle, you do not expect anything else from Murakhovsky. There is nothing particularly literate, everything is in the usual standard of material base and electronics progress. What’s easier to say to neighbors to kick than to explain why the development of armored vehicles in the Russian Federation with the T-90 has stalled for 15 years.


      Ohhh, what kind of people! ;)))))))))
      Dear Kars, I am glad to see you again on the site!
      1. Kars
        Kars 29 October 2015 15: 06 New
        +8
        Thank you. I didn’t go anywhere, I just didn’t comment. And to evaluate articles you need 10 comments.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 29 October 2015 21: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          Thank you. I didn’t go anywhere, I just didn’t comment. And to evaluate articles you need 10 comments.

          Once you see the old days ...............
          And who has so carefully cleaned up your story?
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 29 October 2015 21: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      the development of armored vehicles in the Russian Federation stalled for 15 years.

      As I understand it, according to your ideas about tanks in Russia, ours blinded Armata for two weeks?
      1. Kars
        Kars 29 October 2015 22: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: APASUS
        And who has so carefully cleaned up your story?

        by personal request.
        Quote: APASUS
        As I understand it, according to your ideas about tanks in Russia, ours blinded Armata for two weeks?

        here the question is difficult, for how much and what, but only in 2006 they were able to surpass t-80, and it is not a fact that there would be a need for Armata, continue to develop T-80.
    5. Absurdidat
      Absurdidat 30 October 2015 13: 09 New
      0
      Yeah, and t 14 slipped, accidentally, dug in the mud ...
  31. HAM
    HAM 29 October 2015 13: 49 New
    +2
    В НАТО не берут,но всё делается "по стандартам нато"-парадокс или маразм?
  32. kizhe
    kizhe 29 October 2015 13: 50 New
    0
    u.kry not all the secrets of modernizing tanks revealed. The most important thing is stels protection against any type of weapon.
  33. roskot
    roskot 29 October 2015 13: 53 New
    +7
    Last novelty. The crew is one person. Subtle, hide in any ditch. On the rubber run.
    1. cap54
      cap54 29 October 2015 17: 17 New
      +1
      On the rubber run.
      Yeah, a dance !!! And the machine is probably pedal !!! Yes, and ping pong balls blows balls !!!
  34. vobels
    vobels 29 October 2015 14: 02 New
    +1
    "..Все «новинки» украинского ВПК за минувшие пару лет - это настолько жалкие попытки сделать «хоть что-нибудь», что аж слеза наворачивается.." Well, at least tears of pity, and that’s good, that means our experts are not so heartless, but also pity the loser neighbors.
  35. Cen2rion
    Cen2rion 29 October 2015 14: 03 New
    +7
    Танки из соломы, БМП "Хряк"... Да какой бы он плохой не был, стреляет то он не соломенными снопами. У моей племянницы, на посёлке Октябрьском, таким "снопом" стену кухни в пятиэтажном доме вынес напрочь за пять минут до того как она с мамой зашли домой. Хорошо не разорвался, долго болванка лежала пока сапёры не увезли. Вот так. О чём тут спорить? Танк он и в Африке танк. А хороший Украинский танк - это сожжёный танк! Вот как-то так.
  36. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 29 October 2015 14: 09 New
    0
    But what about the video ?? !! Video cannot lie !!!
    Смотреть до "ржу нимагу" (патриотический ролик как "Булат" три Т-90 победил)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMy7ORo7mfw

    Do not consider it a dill, really smiled from this nonsense, especially the tanker with a national forelock liked the interviewer. The most colorful personality.
  37. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 29 October 2015 14: 21 New
    +4
    Well, since such fun has gone, I think this picture will also be in time)))
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 29 October 2015 14: 42 New
      +4
      Знакомый танчик... "железный капут". drinks
  38. ARES623
    ARES623 29 October 2015 14: 28 New
    +2
    Украина - это 40 млн и.д.и.о.т.о.в, возглавляемые шайкой отпетых прохиндеев. Вот говорят, яйценюка скоро снимут. Так он же,с...ка, сидит и мечтает, когда же наконец???? Через 15 минут он уже в пути в Канаду будет. Он М.у.д.а.к с большой буквы, но добился своего. А танки, они дорогие, а с НАТОвской электроникой еще дороже. И кто там разберет, на сколько они лучше стали после модернизации. Зато у кого-то счет банковский "припухнет". А то, что Украина на десятки лет вперед в долгах погрязла, нынешних руководителей не трогает. Некому с них спросить за это. На Кучме десятки жизней висят со сбитого самолета, а он не плохо выглядит... так и этим - все божья роса.
    1. wk
      wk 30 October 2015 01: 21 New
      0
      Quote: ARES623
      Ukraine is 40 million idiots, led by a gang of inveterate scumbags.

      article about tanks!
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    3. aleksey980
      aleksey980 31 October 2015 11: 17 New
      0
      Quote: ARES623
      Ukraine - this is 40 million id.o.t.o.v

      Please do not equate everyone under one - this is, at least, not polite. Everywhere and always there are different people, someone maidanulsya, and someone not. Most there, like most people around the world (Russia is no exception, remember 1991), 100% simply goes with the flow, someone is simply scared. I support the rest.
      Про спецов тут тоже зря пишут. Там есть талантливые и грамотные спецы, вот только они не у дел. Как-то тут совсем оторвали украинцев от русских, но ведь не все ещё там покусаны ляхами (Донбасс в подтверждение), на востоке живут те же бывшие советские люди и то, что они бывшие не делает их отличными от нас (особенно учитывая, что Украинскими эти территории стали совсем недавно и ещё живы те, кто видел, как это происходило). Специалистам там сейчас дела нет, поскольку всё, что надо нынешним властям, это побольше хапнуть, пока ещё могут, ведь понимают, что через некоторое время их "попросят" с "рыбных" мест. А дирижёру важен хаос, как и везде, где он дирижирует.
  39. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 29 October 2015 14: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: Ribwort
    Да что Оплот! Где обзор новейшего укро-бандеровского танка "Гайдамак"? belay

    Yuri Doom
    Gaydamak - deep modernization of the Bastion-2.
    Tanks showed the highest efficiency in testing.
    In fact, one such tank can easily destroy up to 50 T-80s or T-90s in a few minutes. The first Ukrainian heavy tank battalion (assigned number 502) has already been formed, which will appear on the Eastern Front in the coming days.

    From the latest combat report.

    Новейший украинский танк "Оплот-3 Ausf. XXL" уже четвертые сутки в одиночку удерживал переправу через Днепр. Ситуация была критическая - последний кусок бодрящего панцерсала с амфетамином был съеден еще позавчера, а подкрепление, обещаное штабом панцербригады Сичовых Стрельцов "Лемберг" все еще не пришло. Экипаж был на пределе своей психической выдержки, ежедневно отбивая десятки танковых атак, а сорванные башни тысяч российских Т-72, разбросанных по всей округе уже почти заслоняли горизонт. Заградотряды ФСБ и политкомиссары Единой России продолжали гнать войска РФ на верную гибель.

    Командир танка, гауптхорунжий СС Запердоленко, еще раз посмотрел на экран бортового ПК, на котором со спутников ВКС Украины в реальном времени отображались передвижения танковых колонн Мордора. Он заметил надвигающийся с фронта очередной ромб Т-72 и его благородное лицо озарилось священной яростью. Он еще раз вспомнил свое тяжелое детство, проведенное в Украине в самом начале века, когда им с младшим братом приходилось воровать российский газ. "Мазепа, Петлюра и св. Степан! Перемога буде за нами! Геть ей! "На черном мундире гауптхорунжего сияли планки ордена св. Степана с саблями, Железный Трезубец 1-й и 2-й степеней, две медали "Ветеран Майдана" и золотой партийный значок "Свободы", врученный ему лично Великим Гетманом Тягнибоком. Башня 800-тонного танка, с эмблемой дивизии Сичовых Стрельцов "Лейбштандарт Степан Бандера" - белой руной "Wolfsangel" на желто-синем камуфляже, стала медленно поворачиваться в сторону угрозы...
    Taken from the resource: https: //plus.google.com/108294426557595553883/posts/gEyCkY8xask
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 29 October 2015 15: 10 New
      0
      Ukrainians they are noble alternatives :–)
  40. Belousov
    Belousov 29 October 2015 14: 50 New
    +2
    Hmm ... they won’t reach everyone ...
  41. Kibl
    Kibl 29 October 2015 15: 12 New
    0
    In the development of new types of military equipment, Ukros has not worked out the role of a file, all these computers are certainly good, but without a file, nothing will go or fly !!!
  42. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 29 October 2015 15: 17 New
    +1
    To date, the state system in Ukraine is such that it can only destroy and steal. And therefore, in design developments there simply cannot be something progressive, even sensible.
  43. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 October 2015 15: 18 New
    +1
    They also have all-crawlers, like ours. Ukraine has the potential to develop and make its sophisticated weapons. Another thing is that now everyone is busy there a little completely different. In a calm environment, with the right task, financing and control, the Ukrainian defense industry may well surprise. All the same, it was a significant part of the former USSR defense industry, and there were so many polymers there that it’s still not possible ...
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 29 October 2015 18: 53 New
      0
      Ukraine has the potential to develop and make its sophisticated weapons ,,
      tell me please, what kind of potential? 25 years they didn’t do a fig, but then it appeared.
  44. X Y Z
    X Y Z 29 October 2015 17: 00 New
    +1
    There are no new protection systems, communications are in accordance with NATO standards, although Ukraine is not a NATO member and has never been part of the system ... A complex of strange and incomprehensible measures aimed ...


    It’s all from some ridiculous and incurable belief that everything that came from the West, from NATO makes their weapons the most modern, invincible and effective. Now we have everything as the highest. As in the Middle Ages, a pan gave a serf to vilify his old, worn caftan in the form of distinction.
  45. Miron64
    Miron64 29 October 2015 17: 24 New
    +1
    The state-owned enterprise Ukroboronservis presented the latest lightweight helicopter Lev-1 at the Chaika airfield.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 29 October 2015 19: 38 New
      +1
      Well, right in the Khokhlostan now the new 60s are already without the heritage of the USSR, i.e. with Nazi occupation +24 years of independence ...
  46. exalex2
    exalex2 29 October 2015 18: 19 New
    0
    But father is such an old man .. He even has something to show Putin
    , Правда непонятно что.. Ведь не х собачий..Всегда и везде.."мыонижебратья"Дайте нкфть и газ,и всё будет путём...
  47. IAlex
    IAlex 29 October 2015 19: 19 New
    +1
    All Soviet tanks, in principle, having a reserve of modernization, but do not have an adaptation reserve ...

    Starting with the T-64, Soviet tanks were created as massive tanks of the global war for offensive and breakthrough (i.e., it was assumed that in the event of a war, Soviet tanks would simply roll in waves to Europe and ignore the losses, anyway due to mass character and efficiency, crush opponents) taking into account the capabilities of the industry of the USSR.

    The industry of the USSR has long ceased to exist, the opportunities to fill up with a bunch of simple tanks for a breakthrough are also mute due to the lack of opportunities to increase their number and supply bases ...

    Those. in conditions of defense, which has changed the paradigm of industry and resource capabilities, it makes no sense to modernize old Soviet tanks, because they simply were not created initially for current realities. Even taking into account the T-90, even though it added all sorts of whistles, fights and tricks, he did not become a tank of defense and local conflicts, i.e. the use of the T-90 is dictated by the lack of dough for new tanks and nothing more ...

    Радует что сейчас появился "Армата" который представляет из себя танк обороны типа Леклерка, Абрамса и Леопарда, в котором наконец то навернули то, что должно быть для войны качественной, а не количественной... Вопрос только в том когда будет достигнута минимальная необходимая граница насыщения войск ими...

    And as for the Ukrainians - this is the past day, which simply makes itself felt because it doesn’t want to go for free ... It even makes no sense to consider them, in terms of resources and development in the form of competitors, because this is the level of the Niger or Zimbabwe, if not today so tomorrow ...
  48. Steppe
    Steppe 29 October 2015 22: 37 New
    +1
    crying Apparently, the stripes do not provide for the survival of Ukrainians in a future war. Poor Ukrainians.
  49. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 29 October 2015 23: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Corsair0304
    Место где херои писают по стойке "Смирно"!



    And during the jump?
  50. reactivnyi
    reactivnyi 30 October 2015 01: 45 New
    +1
    Why are you rustling, they just didn’t have time to fill this tank with concrete ...