Experts on Ukrainian tanks

Edition "Star" published the comments of military experts on the updates of the Ukrainian defense industry, writes "Russian newspaper".




“All the“ novelties ”of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex over the past couple of years are such pathetic attempts to make“ at least something ”that a tear is already welling up. The “new” attack helicopter - after the Mi-2 was still in 1960, was painted in a fashionable color. The Hopak rifle is a cross between a Kalashnikov assault rifle, components of a PKM machine gun, a silencer assembled in a garage, and bipods purchased on the Internet. FROM tanks everything is not better, because the Soviet developments in modern combat are for the most part not relevant, and there are no personal successes in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, ”Mikhail Tikhonov, military engineer, candidate of technical sciences.

Earlier, the head of the armored control department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Yuriy Melnik, said that by the end of the year several modernized T-72 tanks with a new NATO-standard fire control system would arrive at the Armed Forces, the newspaper writes.

“The Polish-made system, which Ukrainians are going to equip T-72, will not give any superiority on the battlefield. In order for a tank to become a truly effective combat unit operating with maximum mobility, there is a whole need to rework and rebuild. A good example of competent work on a familiar design is the T-90MS tank. Despite the similarity with the T-72, this is a completely new car. Fire control systems there are not mounted on top of standard electronics, but are tied into a single combat information and control system. Solutions to improve the combat properties of the tank should be implemented in a complex, not separately, ”- military expert, chief editor of the magazine“ Arsenal of the Fatherland ”Victor Murakhovsky.

The article notes that, according to experts, the Ukrainian "modernization" of the T-72 is "no more than wasted labor and money thrown to the wind, since NATO equipment mounted on top of Soviet electronics and operating on other frequencies of the communication system are not capable of increasing combat capability tank connections. "

“If you recall the five-day war, when the Russian army squeezed the Georgian troops out from the territory of Ossetia, they came across T-72, modernized with imported equipment. Georgian tanks, in particular, were equipped with Israeli observation and reconnaissance systems, which cost a lot of money, but did not help the Georgian tank crews. In the case of the modernization of the T-72 in Ukraine, it’s rather just loud statements than real work aimed at improving the quality and survivability of tanks in battle. There are no systems for protecting new ones, communication is according to NATO standards, although Ukraine is not a NATO member and has never been a part of the system ... A complex of strange and incomprehensible measures to be taken ”, - Oleg Sadovnichy, a specialist in electronic radio electronic equipment and control systems .
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  1. Vladimyrych 29 October 2015 13: 09 New
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    Experts about Ukrainian tanks ... lol


    How so? It can't be ... laughing

    1. andr327 29 October 2015 13: 12 New
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      Maybe, but Mos Kali was stolen fellow
      1. Rostov Papa 29 October 2015 13: 36 New
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        Novelty from the armored control of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine - BMP "Khryak"
        1. razv35 29 October 2015 14: 11 New
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          Is a boar a castrated hog? I understand correctly?)))))
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            jjj 29 October 2015 14: 18 New
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            Hog, on the contrary, is a castrated boar
        2. mamont5 29 October 2015 14: 24 New
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          And where is the new TTPP-15 tank (Petro Porosenko’s heavy tank of the 2015 model of the year)?
        3. chinArmy 31 October 2015 17: 37 New
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          Quote: Rostov Dad
          Novelty from the armored control of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine - BMP "Khryak"

          comments drop to the sandbox level

          let's pick funny pictures and sign “probable adversary or everyone we don't like” under them

          for me, so at the MILITARY REVIEW it is necessary to strictly moderate replicas "off topic"
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    2. Tor5
      Tor5 29 October 2015 13: 37 New
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      And what do they have in principle? It goes without saying that this is an elementary "cut"!
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    4. vodolaz 29 October 2015 14: 32 New
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      And how proud they were that the Thais managed to vparit strongholds. I'm really not sure that they all set.
      1. Pilat2009 29 October 2015 16: 43 New
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        Quote: vodolaz
        I'm really not sure that they all set

        Put like 5-10 pieces, then stalled
  2. Air Force captain 29 October 2015 13: 09 New
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    Who would doubt it .... in general, the efficiency of Ukroengineers goes off scale in the values ​​of three zeros after commas
    1. Tanker55 29 October 2015 13: 58 New
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      They, UkroKhokhlyaty have nothing to eat, and here is a new weapon to invent. fool
  3. prabiz 29 October 2015 13: 10 New
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    Ukrainians are miracles in the world of weapons! laughing
    1. Sober 29 October 2015 13: 34 New
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      How did you manage to get such classified information?
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    3. soaring 29 October 2015 14: 57 New
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      Thank prabiz !!! I almost fell out of a chair from laughter ...... laughing Super weapon- and getting on the galloping is difficult! This is probably a 5 ++ tank !? Where do we go to ..... lol
  4. Abbra 29 October 2015 13: 11 New
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    In development of such a global theme ...
    1. kil 31 29 October 2015 13: 16 New
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      But I liked this development. Now autumn will turn out cheaply and angrily. lol
      1. Vladimirets 29 October 2015 13: 20 New
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        Quote: Kil 31
        But I liked this development.

        In the Second World War there was a tank "NI" (For fear), and this is a tank "NHX" (For ha ha). yes
      2. Altona 29 October 2015 13: 22 New
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        Quote: Kil 31
        But I liked this development. Now autumn will turn out cheaply and angrily.

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        Again ... Food .. laughing
        1. Aljavad 29 October 2015 21: 19 New
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          But I liked this development. Now autumn will turn out cheaply and angrily.
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          Again ... Food .. laughing


          Fuel! And gas is not a treba.
      3. Sober 29 October 2015 13: 28 New
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        What about disguise? This is not nanotechnology for you! No Bulochkin (in the role of Nikolai Kryuchkov) on the U-2 night bomber will be detected!
    2. pvv113 29 October 2015 18: 51 New
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      Well, Great Ukrosten is a separate issue.
  5. shosha 29 October 2015 13: 13 New
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    Mercedes in the hands of an Indian - scrap.
  6. pts-m 29 October 2015 13: 13 New
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    it seems like they scooped up cardboard armor from above, and gives everything to the HTZ (horseradish tank zbrue).
  7. KAPITANUS 29 October 2015 13: 14 New
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    The main thing is that the citizens of Ukraine have brains to “dust”, and to steal money. Oh, Yatsenyuk.
  8. venaya 29 October 2015 13: 15 New
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    In the case of the modernization of the T-72 in Ukraine, there are more likely just loud statements than real work

    The stump of the country is not able to compete with a streamlined production machine, there is nothing surprising here. No matter how hard they tried, but they won’t be able to get anything full, no one was able to start everything all over again in a very short time, and even without money.
    1. goose 29 October 2015 14: 18 New
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      Quote: venaya
      The stump of the country is not able to compete with a streamlined production machine, there is nothing surprising here. No matter how hard they tried, but they won’t be able to get anything full, no one was able to start everything all over again in a very short time, and even without money.

      Yes, Ukraine could sink a normal tank, either on the basis of experiments, or on the basis of the T-72 or T-64, but the Government of clowns, populists and uneducated degenerates is not capable of anything constructive. All they can do is live on the monopolies of the distribution of housing and communal services, take loans and tax them. Here are all the knowledge and opportunities in the economy. Unfortunately, in Russia the same is not far gone.
      1. unsinkable 29 October 2015 19: 13 New
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        Quote: goose
        Yes, Ukraine could wash down a normal tank,

        Quote: goose
        Unfortunately, in Russia the same is not far gone.

        1. Where is the money, Zin? 2.And here, my friend, you froze. You are blind and deaf. Even the enemies admitted that our armed forces made a huge breakthrough in all areas of military affairs.
    2. 2s1122 29 October 2015 14: 37 New
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      It depends on the leadership, how the country is controlled and the tanks. But Korea and Israel, albeit small but cocky, know how to make equipment for their needs.
  9. C2H5OH 29 October 2015 13: 16 New
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    Driving The secret is to remain secret))) In Ukraine, a competitor to the “cardboard“ Almaty ”was created - from a tractor and a tank:
    http://www.politnavigator.net/na-ukraine-sozdali-konkurenta-kartonnojj-armaty-iz


    -traktora-i-cisterny.html
    1. Vladimir73 30 October 2015 10: 15 New
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      Thanks for the link ... they kind of warned me, but still I was shocked and awed by the genius ... of the designers ... there are no words - one cackle laughing
  10. Sasha75 29 October 2015 13: 16 New
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    Well, they want at least something to be like the NATO members, well, they have a dream, and so right now, as children straight))).
    1. Sober 29 October 2015 13: 32 New
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      The place of glory of heroes
      1. vitaliy.rnd 29 October 2015 13: 40 New
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        The place of flushing of the heroes.
    2. Corsair0304 29 October 2015 13: 59 New
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      The place where the heroes are writing at the attention desk!
      1. jjj
        jjj 29 October 2015 14: 20 New
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        And breathtaking, and tears welling up
    3. 2s1122 29 October 2015 14: 50 New
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      yes such downs that run with krsaka need to look for. As Lavrov says .... b ... b?. These grasshoppers show exactly pride and rushing holes at all. drinks to shit
  11. dr.star75 29 October 2015 13: 16 New
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    And on the trunk what? Winked a flasher with a towel? yes
    1. your1970 29 October 2015 19: 46 New
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      plus for you! there really is something attached to it like a flasher: they say like I'm going, everything from the road ....
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    yan 2015 29 October 2015 13: 17 New
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    Ukrainian tanks .. it's like Madagascar fighters sound. already good troll Ukrainian defense industry. \ if of course there is one \
    1. 0255 29 October 2015 14: 47 New
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      Quote: yan 2015
      Ukrainian tanks .. it's like Madagascar fighters sound. already good troll Ukrainian defense industry. \ if of course there is one \

      Armed Forces of Ukraine already use pickups with machine guns in large quantities, although they got a lot of military factories from the "Russian invaders". Here is what APU is "trying to putleter aggression":



      Reminds a computer game where the arrows stand near the exploding barrels.

      And dream of taking Moscow. Tremble, quilted jackets, when dill arrives to take your capital on such ukromobiles laughing

      The longer the war goes on, the more such shushpanzery use the Ukrainian military. And Poroshenko, who raised his fortune by 7 times, clearly does not want to invest his money in Ukrainian industry
      1. 2s1122 29 October 2015 14: 59 New
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        Well, duck is the strongest army in Europp, otttt sttrarahaa hand is yeast. If standing in the toilet it is possible. ......? bully
      2. Varyag_1973 29 October 2015 15: 08 New
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        Test photos! I’m just wondering, why on the first photo, on the machine-gun shield SHIPA ?! For more intimidation ?!

        Well, the "Lawn" with the inscription "to Moscow" is generally tin! Ours will surely die of laughter if such a ukrovaflya trample on them!
        1. Aljavad 29 October 2015 21: 24 New
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          Well, the "Lawn" with the inscription "to Moscow" is generally tin! Ours will surely die of laughter if such a ukrovaflya trample on them!


          That ce minibus for migrant workers!
      3. sssla 29 October 2015 15: 20 New
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        Quote: 0255
        APU already massively use pickups with machine guns

        Che it reminds me!
        1. sssla 29 October 2015 15: 21 New
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          And vague doubts gnaw me !!
          1. sssla 29 October 2015 15: 22 New
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            But I understood)) These are the "moderate" Sun UkrAyns in the photo 0255)
            1. 0255 29 October 2015 15: 46 New
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              Quote: sssla
              But I understood)) These are the "moderate" Sun UkrAyns in the photo 0255)

              Ukrainian gantraks are very similar to the Islamist gantraks. Although not all. There is no such thing in the Middle East:


              It generally kills to death by its appearance, I was shocked when I first saw:

              1. MSL
                MSL 30 October 2015 15: 25 New
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                "Mad Max"? Second part?
        2. Homo 29 October 2015 16: 26 New
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          Quote: sssla
          Che it reminds me!

          Why be surprised? The instructors are the same! soldier
          1. 0255 29 October 2015 17: 20 New
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            Homo (6) SU Today, 16:26 ↑
            Why be surprised? The instructors are the same!

            Before the start of the anti-terrorist operation, Bandera’s soldiers did not require instructions from the United States, but not in large numbers.
            1944 year. Shushpanzer Hero of Ukraine - SS division "Galicia", captured by the Poles from the Army Kraevoy, T-26 on the chassis of the tractor STZ-5. Banderlog, it turns out, back in World War II they built no less “delivering” equipment than their current followers in the Donbass.

            Shushpanzer UNA-UNSO in Transnistria, 1992. It turns out that UNA-UNSO fought in the PMR against the Moldovan troops, defended the Transnistrian Ukrainians. Svidomo now shouting that Russia occupied Transnistria from poor Moldova, let them know that in 1992 banderlogs also fought not for Moldovans.

            In the 1990s, they offered the following MLRS for export:
  13. Igor39 29 October 2015 13: 18 New
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    But what about the Bastion? They said nothing for this tank
    1. AlexTires 29 October 2015 13: 25 New
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      A tool for testing the nervous system of the military of Thailand - the only country that risked to acquire it ...
    2. Ribwort 29 October 2015 13: 44 New
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      What a bastion! Where is the review of the latest ukro-Bandera tank "Gaydamak"? belay
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  14. Masya masya 29 October 2015 13: 18 New
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    Oh, byad, byad, chagrin ... crying
  15. Engineer 29 October 2015 13: 18 New
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    While reading the title of the article, you do not expect an article about the modernization of the T-72 more than in general.
  16. Vladimir 1964 29 October 2015 13: 19 New
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    Colleagues, and what they (Ukrainians) still do. The defense industry, in fact, fell apart. Well, it’s necessary to live as it should, and such distortions begin. The state pays for these quirks, most likely yes, otherwise there would be nothing to fool about. Ukraine’s export potential is lost for a long time, if, in connection with the transition to NATO standards, not always. Let them be weird, especially since most likely it’s just boltology.
    Whatever the child would entertain, if only he would not cry. Moreover, the combat effectiveness of all this eccentricity is very doubtful.

    Well, such an opinion, dear colleagues. hi
  17. Altona 29 October 2015 13: 21 New
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    There is nothing special to comment on, which country, such and tanks ...
  18. samoletil18 29 October 2015 13: 23 New
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    Yes x with them and their tanks! Even if they do something more worthwhile, then in a series on what means will they launch? And this is not only about tanks.
  19. rf xnumx 29 October 2015 13: 23 New
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    The article notes that, according to experts, the Ukrainian "modernization" of the T-72 is "no more than wasted labor and money thrown to the wind, since NATO equipment mounted on top of Soviet electronics and operating on other frequencies of the communication system are not capable of increasing combat capability tank connections. "
    Modernization in Ukrainian
  20. AlexTires 29 October 2015 13: 24 New
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    They do not need to think about tanks, but how to save people from starvation and devastation. What the hell is going on .....
  21. crumb 29 October 2015 13: 29 New
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    “LEV” helicopter, “GOPAK” under-screw, “SALOED” tank, “AMIN” bunker - and this is not the entire spectrum of innovations of the 1st Bender Psychiatric Hospital in Kiev.
    1. FIREMAN 29 October 2015 14: 40 New
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      range of innovations of 1 psychiatric hospital named after S. Bender in Kiev

      It seems so far to them. Pavlova. But how many branches throughout Kiev: the administration of the pres ... and the Rada and Golovna Office of the SBU Ruins. So many shpigunou were glorified for aposhni rock, + a nursery of jumping maydauns with a conditioned reflex to the appearance of imported cookies, and now the Central Design Bureau Uzbraennyau 404!
    2. 0255 29 October 2015 14: 55 New
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      Quote: croche
      “LEV” helicopter, “GOPAK” under-screw, “SALOED” tank, “AMIN” bunker - and this is not the entire spectrum of innovations of the 1st Bender Psychiatric Hospital in Kiev.

      But what Svidomity think about their army belay Open the picture in a new tab
      1. The Chat 29 October 2015 15: 29 New
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        d .. the richer Dumka riches ...
      2. By001261 29 October 2015 18: 16 New
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        Here (as Lavrov said there) D .... S
      3. silver_roman 29 October 2015 19: 00 New
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        I think even sick nooks will understand and see a catch here. In Ukraine, there was never a ka-52. Tu-160 was cut during the collapse of the USSR.
        1. TanakaKenshin 29 October 2015 19: 50 New
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          Quote: silver_roman
          I think even sick nooks will understand and see a catch here. In Ukraine, there was never a ka-52. Tu-160 was cut during the collapse of the USSR.

          And the Tiger came from somewhere ...
      4. TanakaKenshin 29 October 2015 19: 47 New
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        And nothing more to say.
      5. Vladimir73 30 October 2015 10: 24 New
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        Gee, I understood the joke, they swapped the flags ... gee wassat
  22. Prisoner 29 October 2015 13: 34 New
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    Kharkov never learned how to make good tanks, despite all the attempts of well-wishers in the Central Committee of the CPSU and in the USSR Ministry of Defense.
  23. mpzss 29 October 2015 13: 34 New
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    still need a monument to our fathers! Such a potential was laid in the T-72, that as soon as they do not scoff at him in Ukraine, and he works NAPPOIN them! Well, how can they not spoil him!
    1. Prisoner 29 October 2015 13: 53 New
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      So the device is Tagil. And this is not Khuhry-Mukhra!
    2. Aljavad 29 October 2015 21: 31 New
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      need a monument to our fathers! Such a potential was laid in the T-72, that as soon as they do not scoff at him in Ukraine, and he works BAD for them! Well, they can't spoil him!


      In the framework of "decommunization" ...
  24. Wolka 29 October 2015 13: 35 New
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    to get something new, you need to create this new, and to create this new you need brains and money, which in modern Ukraine is clearly not enough ...
  25. KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 13: 36 New
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    The opinion of couch specialists of Zvezda and the Russian newspaper is very important to us.

    They criticize the Ukrainian modernization of the T-72, we ourselves buy hundreds of troops into the troops ... And in Georgia our tankers defeated, not the tanks. T-3B tanks are objectively worse than T-72SIM72

    They are also attacked by Oplot, but in fact, why is it worse or better than the same T-90A? The car is quite at the level of the 2000s.
    1. Riv
      Riv 29 October 2015 13: 57 New
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      Have you heard the noise? It was Petrosyan who read your post and fainted with envy.
      1. KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 14: 04 New
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        Mmm, what did you want to say with your comment? Am I wrong about something?
    2. Comrade Bender 29 October 2015 14: 03 New
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      Russian modernization can not be compared with the mocking modernization of Ukrogabons. So don’t sing songs about hopak.
      1. KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 14: 06 New
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        Why is shittyB3 better than the proposed Ukrainian modernization? Announce the entire list please.
        1. goose 29 October 2015 14: 46 New
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          To begin with, the modernization of different tanks is discussed.
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          Why is shittyB3 better than the proposed Ukrainian modernization? Announce the entire list please.

          1. Price. Investing in the economy. The creation of the T-84 will cost at least 90 million of the base T-80. Whereas the T-72B3 is only 52 million, of which 30 million is actually financial support to UVZ.
          2. Basis - the older T-72 and cheaper, instead of the brand new expensive T-80
          3. AZ for long submunitions
          4. All components are manufactured on the territory of the Republic of Belarus or the Russian Federation.

          Details.
          Booking a T-72B3 forehead is quite enough against the Papuans, the board is protected from manual means, the T-84 didn’t have a serious side booking, and the forehead is better, but not much. The quality of the DZ is better for the T-72B3, especially against sub-caliber shells, in fact, the Ukrainian DZ works only against cumulatives. The capabilities of the sighting system and communications are comparable. A two-stroke diesel for a tank is a palliative in the northern latitudes. They suffered on the T-64, in the winter it is not combat-ready. In total, the T-84 has only 2 pluses: the remote control and the controversial booking of the side, which the old ammunition RPG-7 and the Flies do not penetrate. Against the rest of the minuses, it does not look at all. In addition, for the production of T-84, it is necessary to organize production, where separate and considerable money will be invested.

          Each point is enough to prefer the T72B3, given the scale of the army.
          1. KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 15: 04 New
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            Firstly, an article about the Ukrainian modernization of the T-72, not the T-80. Secondly, I hope you joked about the fact that the T-72B3 is better than the T-84?
            If anything, the T-84 Oplot is an analog of the T-90, and the BM Oplot is comparable to our T-90SM.
            1. Kars 29 October 2015 15: 09 New
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              Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
              First, an article about the Ukrainian modernization of the T-72, not the T-84

              Firstly, this is a truncated article.

              Worthless Oplot of Ukraine: how Kiev “modernized” the Soviet T-72 tank

              http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201510270756-epwk.htm
          2. voyaka uh 29 October 2015 15: 56 New
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            for goose

            "Booking a T-72B3 forehead is quite enough against the Papuans," ///

            If the Papuans have TOW-2, how is it in Syria - will the forehead stand it?
            1. Forest 31 October 2015 11: 50 New
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              The forehead - most likely will withstand the TOW (after all, there is no prohibitive penetration there), but Panzerfaust will also absorb the sides.
    3. ultra 29 October 2015 14: 39 New
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      I agree with you, and the saddest thing is that the comments on the article are mainly at the level of "censor". In the last two years, the site has been degrading both in terms of material and commentary levels. crying
    4. 2s1122 29 October 2015 15: 30 New
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      You see what’s the matter, when in KB they created a new T-14 on the Armat platform, people like you started writing that it’s very expensive and we don’t need to buy T-80s and T-90s. You’ve made your choice and the leadership will draw conclusions. hi
      1. KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 17: 05 New
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        You see what’s the matter, when in KB they created a new T-14 on the Armat platform, then people like you started writing that it’s very expensive and we don’t need such ones better to buy T-80 and T-90


        Are you ready to confirm your words? wink I never wrote that the T-14 is too expensive. The faster we replace Soviet turret guns, the better (T-90A can be upgraded to T-90AM and they can also be left in service).
    5. 33 Watcher 29 October 2015 16: 29 New
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      I explain: You can hang the old tank with anything from head to toe, it will not become newer. Well, Ukraine does not make tanks, and even overhauls, does not carry out. They don’t even disassemble to the end, there is no question of testing the case for tightness. Do you feel the difference between MODERNIZATION and "MODERNIZATION in Ukrainian"? That is now KhTZ, and other industry.
      1. KGB WATCH YOU 29 October 2015 17: 18 New
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        I did not find newer statistics
        For the indicated period of time (2005-2011), Ukraine has sold more than 6 hundred tanks (to be exact - 618). So, in 2005, 62 vehicles were sold, of which 25 were delivered to Azerbaijan, 16 were received by Georgia, and 21 tanks were sent to Algeria. In 2006, the number of exported tanks amounted to 38 units, of which 20 received the Democratic Republic of the Congo, 1 - the United States of America and 17 - Azerbaijan. In 2007, 155 tanks were sold, Kenya and Georgia received approximately the same number of vehicles (77 and 74 units, respectively). In 2008, Ukraine exported 34 tanks, of which only one was delivered to Georgia, and all the rest went to Kenya. In 2009, the state did not export armored vehicles at all. In 2010, the largest number of equipment was delivered over the entire period - 216 tanks, of which 115 went to Sudan, 1 received America, and 100 were sent to Congo.

        T-72B1, T-72M1, T-72UA1, T-80BV, T-55
  26. Sober 29 October 2015 13: 37 New
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    Well, on this subject rested, relaxed. Thank.
  27. Mitrich76 29 October 2015 13: 40 New
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    To carry out modernization, in addition to workers, specialists are needed, and not Maidan horses. And this is a very difficult matter. But if you cut the money and wind new devices with electrical tape to existing ones, the technique will not become better.
    Which is what we see.
  28. BOB044 29 October 2015 13: 41 New
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    Earlier, the head of the armored control department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Yuriy Melnik, said that by the end of the year several modernized T-72 tanks with a new NATO-standard fire control system would arrive at the Armed Forces, the newspaper writes.
    Whatever the child was amusing, he wouldn’t cry. The poor are wretched. It is a sin to laugh at sick people. fool
  29. asadov 29 October 2015 13: 42 New
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    The best option for modernizing Ukrainian tanks is to dig them into the ground and use them as stationary firing points. Fuel economy and do not need to dig graves after the destruction of firing points.
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  30. Kars 29 October 2015 13: 43 New
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    A good example of competent work on a familiar design is the T-90MS tank.

    In principle, you do not expect anything else from Murakhovsky. There is nothing particularly literate, everything is in the usual standard of material base and electronics progress. What’s easier to say to neighbors to kick than to explain why the development of armored vehicles in the Russian Federation with the T-90 has stalled for 15 years.
    1. teron 29 October 2015 13: 51 New
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      "... how to explain why with the T-90 the development of armored vehicles in the Russian Federation stalled for 15 years."

      What is there to explain - after the collapse of the Union, the Russian leadership was engaged in anything, but not the development of the military-industrial complex and the strengthening of defense. Either there was no money, then political will, then some kind of undercover games were muddy. Just a few years ago they remembered that the army should not only be reformed, but also armed with something modern. But two decades - down the drain. About the same in Ukraine, only now there is barely enough money there, and ideas roam.
    2. ultra 29 October 2015 14: 44 New
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      Kars is back !!!! Welcome! drinks
    3. Seaman77 29 October 2015 14: 54 New
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      Quote: Kars
      A good example of competent work on a familiar design is the T-90MS tank.

      In principle, you do not expect anything else from Murakhovsky. There is nothing particularly literate, everything is in the usual standard of material base and electronics progress. What’s easier to say to neighbors to kick than to explain why the development of armored vehicles in the Russian Federation with the T-90 has stalled for 15 years.


      Ohhh, what kind of people! ;)))))))))
      Dear Kars, I am glad to see you again on the site!
      1. Kars 29 October 2015 15: 06 New
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        Thank you. I didn’t go anywhere, I just didn’t comment. And to evaluate articles you need 10 comments.
        1. APASUS 29 October 2015 21: 38 New
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          Quote: Kars
          Thank you. I didn’t go anywhere, I just didn’t comment. And to evaluate articles you need 10 comments.

          Once you see the old days ...............
          And who has so carefully cleaned up your story?
    4. APASUS 29 October 2015 21: 41 New
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      Quote: Kars
      the development of armored vehicles in the Russian Federation stalled for 15 years.

      As I understand it, according to your ideas about tanks in Russia, ours blinded Armata for two weeks?
      1. Kars 29 October 2015 22: 02 New
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        Quote: APASUS
        And who has so carefully cleaned up your story?

        by personal request.
        Quote: APASUS
        As I understand it, according to your ideas about tanks in Russia, ours blinded Armata for two weeks?

        here the question is difficult, for how much and what, but only in 2006 they were able to surpass t-80, and it is not a fact that there would be a need for Armata, continue to develop T-80.
    5. Absurdidat 30 October 2015 13: 09 New
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      Yeah, and t 14 slipped, accidentally, dug in the mud ...
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    HAM 29 October 2015 13: 49 New
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    They don’t take NATO, but everything is done "according to NATO standards" - a paradox or insanity?
  32. kizhe 29 October 2015 13: 50 New
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    u.kry not all the secrets of modernizing tanks revealed. The most important thing is stels protection against any type of weapon.
  33. roskot 29 October 2015 13: 53 New
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    Last novelty. The crew is one person. Subtle, hide in any ditch. On the rubber run.
    1. cap54 29 October 2015 17: 17 New
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      On the rubber run.
      Yeah, a dance !!! And the machine is probably pedal !!! Yes, and ping pong balls blows balls !!!
  34. vobels 29 October 2015 14: 02 New
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    "..All the" new products "of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex over the past couple of years are such pathetic attempts to make" at least something "that a tear is already welling up .." Well, at least tears of pity, and that’s good, that means our experts are not so heartless, but also pity the loser neighbors.
  35. Cen2rion 29 October 2015 14: 03 New
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    Tanks made of straw, BMP "Boar" ... But no matter how bad he is, he shoots not with straw sheaves. My niece, in the village of Oktyabrsky, made a wall of the kitchen in a five-story building with such a "sheaf" five minutes before she and her mother went home. It didn’t burst well; for a long time the blank lay until the sappers had taken it away. Like this. What is there to argue about? He is a tank and a tank in Africa. A good Ukrainian tank is a burnt tank! Something like that.
  36. Corsair0304 29 October 2015 14: 09 New
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    But what about the video ?? !! Video cannot lie !!!
    Watch before “neighing the Nimagu” (a patriotic video like “Bulat” won three T-90s)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMy7ORo7mfw

    Do not consider it a dill, really smiled from this nonsense, especially the tanker with a national forelock liked the interviewer. The most colorful personality.
  37. kostyan77708 29 October 2015 14: 21 New
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    Well, since such fun has gone, I think this picture will also be in time)))
    1. viktor_ui 29 October 2015 14: 42 New
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      Familiar tank ... "iron caput." drinks
  38. ARES623 29 October 2015 14: 28 New
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    Ukraine is 40 million idiots, led by a gang of inveterate scumbags. They say that the egg will be removed soon. So he, with ... ka, sits and dreams, when finally ???? In 15 minutes he will be on his way to Canada. He M.U.d.k.with a capital letter, but he achieved his goal. But tanks, they are expensive, and with NATO electronics even more expensive. And who will figure out how much better they became after modernization. But someone’s bank account will “swell”. And the fact that Ukraine is mired in debt for decades to come does not touch the current leaders. There is no one to ask them for it. On Kuchma, dozens of lives hang from a downed plane, but it doesn’t look bad ... and this is all God's dew.
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      Quote: ARES623
      Ukraine is 40 million idiots, led by a gang of inveterate scumbags.

      article about tanks!
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    3. aleksey980 31 October 2015 11: 17 New
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      Quote: ARES623
      Ukraine - this is 40 million id.o.t.o.v

      Please do not equate everyone under one - this is, at least, not polite. Everywhere and always there are different people, someone maidanulsya, and someone not. Most there, like most people around the world (Russia is no exception, remember 1991), 100% simply goes with the flow, someone is simply scared. I support the rest.
      They also write about specialists here in vain. There are talented and competent specialists, but they are out of work. Somehow here, Ukrainians were completely torn off from Russians, but not everyone was bitten there by Poles (Donbass in confirmation), the same former Soviet people live in the east and the fact that they are former does not make them different from us (especially considering that the Ukrainian these territories have become very recent and still alive are those who saw how this happened). Specialists are not there right now, because all that the current authorities need is to grab more, they can still, because they understand that after a while they will be "asked" from the "fish" places. And chaos is important to the conductor, like everywhere else he conducts.
  39. gladysheff2010 29 October 2015 14: 43 New
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    What a bastion! Where is the review of the latest ukro-Bandera tank "Gaydamak"? belay

    Yuri Doom
    Gaydamak - deep modernization of the Bastion-2.
    Tanks showed the highest efficiency in testing.
    In fact, one such tank can easily destroy up to 50 T-80s or T-90s in a few minutes. The first Ukrainian heavy tank battalion (assigned number 502) has already been formed, which will appear on the Eastern Front in the coming days.

    From the latest combat report.

    The latest Ukrainian tank, Oplot-3 Ausf. XXL, for the fourth day alone held the ferry across the Dnieper. The situation was critical - the last piece of the invigorating clerical staff with amphetamine was eaten the day before yesterday, and the reinforcements promised by the headquarters of the Lemberg Sich Sagittarius panzer brigade have not yet arrived. The crew was at the limit of their mental endurance, daily repulsing dozens of tank attacks, and the torn towers of thousands of Russian T-72, scattered throughout the district, almost obscured the horizon. The detachments of the FSB and political commissars of United Russia continued to drive the Russian troops to certain death.

    The tank commander, Haupthorunzh SS Zaperdolenko, once again looked at the on-board PC screen, on which the movements of tank columns of Mordor were displayed in real time from satellites of the Ukrainian Air Force He noticed the next rhombus T-72 approaching from the front and his noble face lit up with holy fury. He once again recalled his difficult childhood spent in Ukraine at the very beginning of the century, when he and his younger brother had to steal Russian gas. “Mazepa, Petliura and St. Stepan! You will overcome us! Get her!” On the black uniform of the Haupthorunzhe shone the planks of the Order of St. Stepan with sabers, Iron Trident of the 1st and 2nd degrees, two medals "Veteran of the Maidan" and a gold party badge of "Freedom", personally handed to him by the Great Hetman Tyagnibok. The tower of the 800-ton tank, with the emblem of the Sich Sagittarius division “Leibstandart Stepan Bandera” - the white Wolfsangel fleece on the yellow-blue camouflage, began to slowly turn towards the threat ...
    Taken from the resource: https: //plus.google.com/108294426557595553883/posts/gEyCkY8xask
    1. tchoni 29 October 2015 15: 10 New
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      Ukrainians they are noble alternatives :–)
  40. Belousov 29 October 2015 14: 50 New
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    Hmm ... they won’t reach everyone ...
  41. Kibl 29 October 2015 15: 12 New
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    In the development of new types of military equipment, Ukros has not worked out the role of a file, all these computers are certainly good, but without a file, nothing will go or fly !!!
  42. mr.vasilievich 29 October 2015 15: 17 New
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    To date, the state system in Ukraine is such that it can only destroy and steal. And therefore, in design developments there simply cannot be something progressive, even sensible.
  43. chunga-changa 29 October 2015 15: 18 New
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    They also have all-crawlers, like ours. Ukraine has the potential to develop and make its sophisticated weapons. Another thing is that now everyone is busy there a little completely different. In a calm environment, with the right task, financing and control, the Ukrainian defense industry may well surprise. All the same, it was a significant part of the former USSR defense industry, and there were so many polymers there that it’s still not possible ...
    1. kotvov 29 October 2015 18: 53 New
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      Ukraine has the potential to develop and make its sophisticated weapons ,,
      tell me please, what kind of potential? 25 years they didn’t do a fig, but then it appeared.
  44. X Y Z 29 October 2015 17: 00 New
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    There are no new protection systems, communications are in accordance with NATO standards, although Ukraine is not a NATO member and has never been part of the system ... A complex of strange and incomprehensible measures aimed ...


    It’s all from some ridiculous and incurable belief that everything that came from the West, from NATO makes their weapons the most modern, invincible and effective. Now we have everything as the highest. As in the Middle Ages, a pan gave a serf to vilify his old, worn caftan in the form of distinction.
  45. Miron64 29 October 2015 17: 24 New
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    The state-owned enterprise Ukroboronservis presented the latest lightweight helicopter Lev-1 at the Chaika airfield.
    1. IAlex 29 October 2015 19: 38 New
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      Well, right in the Khokhlostan now the new 60s are already without the heritage of the USSR, i.e. with Nazi occupation +24 years of independence ...
  46. exalex2 29 October 2015 18: 19 New
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    But father is such an old man .. He even has something to show Putin
    , The truth is not clear that .. After all, not a dog .. Anytime and everywhere .. "we are the brothers" Give oil and gas, and everything will be the way ...
  47. IAlex 29 October 2015 19: 19 New
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    All Soviet tanks, in principle, having a reserve of modernization, but do not have an adaptation reserve ...

    Starting with the T-64, Soviet tanks were created as massive tanks of the global war for offensive and breakthrough (i.e., it was assumed that in the event of a war, Soviet tanks would simply roll in waves to Europe and ignore the losses, anyway due to mass character and efficiency, crush opponents) taking into account the capabilities of the industry of the USSR.

    The industry of the USSR has long ceased to exist, the opportunities to fill up with a bunch of simple tanks for a breakthrough are also mute due to the lack of opportunities to increase their number and supply bases ...

    Those. in conditions of defense, which has changed the paradigm of industry and resource capabilities, it makes no sense to modernize old Soviet tanks, because they simply were not created initially for current realities. Even taking into account the T-90, even though it added all sorts of whistles, fights and tricks, he did not become a tank of defense and local conflicts, i.e. the use of the T-90 is dictated by the lack of dough for new tanks and nothing more ...

    I am glad that now appeared "Armata" which is a defense tank such as Leclerc, Abrams and Leopard, in which they finally screwed up what should be for the war qualitative, not quantitative ... The only question is when the minimum necessary border will be reached saturation of troops with them ...

    And as for the Ukrainians - this is the past day, which simply makes itself felt because it doesn’t want to go for free ... It even makes no sense to consider them, in terms of resources and development in the form of competitors, because this is the level of the Niger or Zimbabwe, if not today so tomorrow ...
  48. Steppe 29 October 2015 22: 37 New
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    crying Apparently, the stripes do not provide for the survival of Ukrainians in a future war. Poor Ukrainians.
  49. Ze Kot 29 October 2015 23: 23 New
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    Quote: Corsair0304
    The place where the heroes are writing at the attention desk!



    And during the jump?
  50. reactivnyi 30 October 2015 01: 45 New
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    Why are you rustling, they just didn’t have time to fill this tank with concrete ...