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Turkey will start developing its own engine for a promising tank "Altai"

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Turkish company Tumosan will start developing a diesel engine for domestic tank Altai in 2016, reports TSAMTO with reference to Kurtulus Ogun, Executive Director of the company.




Earlier, Turkey was negotiating the joint development of a power plant with the Japanese company Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. However, in March of this year, an agreement on the development of the ROC was signed with the company “Tumosan”. The deal is valued at $ 206,3 million.

“The national engine and transmission will replace the currently installed power-transmission unit (powerpack), which includes the 12-cylinder diesel engine MTU MT 883 Ka 501 hp 1500. and automatic transmission Renk HSWL 295TM ", - writes the publication.

It is noted that the decision to replace the engine was made by the authorities, including due to the fact that "obtaining permission to export weapons and related subsystems, including MTU engines, is becoming increasingly difficult."

The development of the tank "Altai" is conducted by the company "Otokar" at the request of the military department with 2008. The South Korean company "Hyundai Rotem" assists in the development. At present, 4 prototypes have been manufactured, which are subject to acceptance testing and certification. Complete them planned for next year.

Total Turkish Defense Ministry intends to buy a thousand new tanks.

Help TSAMTO: "Altai", created on the basis of the project of the South Korean tank K-2 "Black Panther", will be a machine of 60 t mass, armed with a 120-stabilized 55-mm cannon, paired with an 7,62-mm machine gun and 12,7- mm machine gun. The tank will be equipped with digital weapons control systems, systems for protecting against weapons of mass destruction, laser irradiation warning equipment, a friend-to-others identification system, an auxiliary power unit and modular composite armor. Crew - 4 person. "
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  1. remy
    remy 28 October 2015 15: 24 New
    10
    Well, we would have to do something faster with ship engines ....
    1. Varyag_1973
      Varyag_1973 28 October 2015 15: 28 New
      24
      Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?! Типа такой тонкий намек?! Что то в последнее время турки нарываются на то, чтобы мы в очередной раз щит к вратам Царьграда прибили!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 28 October 2015 15: 34 New
        +9
        And most interestingly, they call their development based on the South Korean K-2 their tank, in fact - an outwardly modified Korean tank. Because it cannot be completely developed on the basis of a foreign standard in principle. And at the same time the pride with which they talk about the crew of 4 dudes is especially funny. Do they have manual loading of guns?
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 28 October 2015 15: 46 New
          10
          Do not believe it! They have a MISSILE gun. belay
          Shaitan-karamultuk is called.
          1. iConst
            iConst 28 October 2015 21: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Black Colonel
            Do not believe it! They have a MISSILE gun.
            - Gone, thanks for the good sense of humor.
            Pluseg ...
          2. datur
            datur 28 October 2015 22: 45 New
            +1
            [quote = Black Colonel] Do not believe it! They have a MISSILE gun. belay
            Shaitan-karamultuk is called - and everyone else via the Internet ,? winked
        2. science fiction writer
          science fiction writer 28 October 2015 15: 57 New
          +1
          Do they have manual loading of guns?

          If my memory serves me, then only we have charging machines,
          everyone else is manual.
          1. inkass_98
            inkass_98 28 October 2015 16: 16 New
            +3
            "Леклерк" тоже с АЗ.
          2. just exp
            just exp 28 October 2015 16: 38 New
            0
            the French also have it, and the Koreans pulled off a fresco AZ for their K-2, on the basis of which the Turkish made their altai.
          3. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 28 October 2015 17: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: fiction
            Do they have manual loading of guns?

            If my memory serves me, then only we have charging machines,
            everyone else is manual.

            Automatic loaders are in service on the tanks of Russia, Ukraine, France, Israel.
            1. anti-Semite
              anti-Semite 28 October 2015 18: 39 New
              +1
              Israel has manual loading of tanks
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 28 October 2015 21: 54 New
                0
                Quote: anti-Semite
                Israel has manual loading of tanks

                On the Merkava 3 tank - five 46 shells ready to be fired are located in a special drum-type store mounted on the turret’s rotating turret. The system for supplying shots is semi-automatic. By pressing the foot pedal, the loader raises the shot to the level of the breech and then manually sends it to the breech.
                The next promising tank in Israel will have a full automatic loader.
                1. just exp
                  just exp 28 October 2015 22: 23 New
                  0
                  this is not a AZ, this is a parody of it, but we will see what will happen in the future, because at Warsonline, and it is an Israeli forum, they convinced me that AZ is a minus and what for it is not needed.
                2. anti-Semite
                  anti-Semite 28 October 2015 22: 39 New
                  0
                  then it turns out that for IS 7 there is also an automatic reloading device and mechanized supply of ammunition by the conveyor; besides, manual loading is very difficult for Merkava 4 and I doubt very much that they will go on the creation of the automatic machine it was painfully affected by the explosiveness there 72 in Israel now on the topic of automatic loading a whole phobia
            2. just exp
              just exp 28 October 2015 22: 21 New
              0
              and in the mercans when did this AZ appear?
          4. anti-Semite
            anti-Semite 28 October 2015 18: 38 New
            +1
            French Leclerc, Japanese Type 10, Pakistani Al Khalid, Iranian Zulfakor, Chinese tanks, Korean Panther
        3. zennon
          zennon 28 October 2015 16: 22 New
          +8
          Quote: Basarev
          crew of 4 dudes. Do they have manual loading of guns?

          With regards to the name, the tank was named after Army General Fakhrettin Altai, who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps during the Turkish War of Independence 1919-1923.
          1. just exp
            just exp 28 October 2015 16: 38 New
            -2
            and from whom did Turkey try to gain independence?
            1. zennon
              zennon 28 October 2015 16: 54 New
              +5
              Quote: just EXPL
              and from whom did Turkey try to gain independence?

              The Turks lost the 1st World War.
              October 30, 1918 - the Mudros Armistice was concluded, followed by the Sevres Peace Treaty (August 10, 1920), which did not enter into force, since it was not ratified by all the signatories (ratified only by Greece). Under this agreement, the Ottoman Empire was to be divided, and one of the largest cities in Asia Minor (Smyrna) was promised to Greece. The Greek army took it on May 15, 1919, after which the War of Independence began. Turkish nationalists led by Mustafa Kemal refused to recognize the peace treaty and expelled the Greeks from the country by armed force. By September 18, 1922 Turkey was liberated from the conquerors. The Lausanne Peace Treaty of 1923 (July 24) recognized the new borders of Turkey.
        4. self-propelled
          self-propelled 28 October 2015 17: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Basarev
          And at the same time, the pride with which they talk about the crew in 4 dude is especially funny. Do they have manual loading of guns?

          The advantages (and disadvantages) of AZs have been discussed more than once.
          к примеру, западные танковые "доки", сравнивая танк с АЗ и танк с заряжающим, в пользу последнего приводят следующие показатели:
          - standard rate of fire tanks with manual loading - 6-7 rounds per minute, and automatic loading provides a rate of approximately 4-8 rounds per minute. those. the difference is not very big and depends on the preparation of the loader (хотя, как по мне, это скорее "-" нежели "+");
          - charging system is more reliable. In case of problems with the power supply or hydraulics of the automatic machines, a system with a charging device as opposed to a AZ in such conditions provides greater reliability and rate of fire;
          - no load on the tank commander and gunner - in case of failure of the AZ, they are also all engaged only in immediate duties, not being distracted, that is, they are fighting;
          - more ammunition;
          - loader has other responsibilities, first of all, for maintenance (and an extra pair of hands will not be superfluous, sorry for the tautology);
          их опоненты приводят свои доводы в пользу АЗ (взяв за пример условия работы заряжающего в "Абрамс'е":
          - projectile weight. He didn’t move, didn’t take it, didn’t put it in that way - and at least a bruise on his arm or pinched his finger. And you can break something or tear or stretch the ligaments of the hands. Therefore, the loader is always at any time in the tank in winter mittens, or at least in gloves;
          - small dimensions of the fighting compartment. Вокруг только выступающие металлические детали. Зацепись капсюлем за что-нибудь - и "нас извлекут из-под обломков". Поэтому заряжающий всегда берет снаряд так, чтобы ладонью левой руки накладывать на дно гильзы, прикрывая капсюль;
          - shutter wedge. Тяжёлая деталь. Мощнейшая пружина закрывает затвор (перемещает клин слева направо) за полсекунды. Неправильно разместил руку при досылании, растопырил пальцы – и слово "прищемил" здесь уже не подходит. Раздробление. Ампутация. Поэтому заряжающий после вставления снаряда в патронник досылает его одним мощным движением, одновременно сопровождая дно гильзы левой рукой, сложенной в кулак. Большим пальцем к себе. При этом клин, закрываясь, мягко сдвигает руку вправо. Если досыл был не энергичным или снаряд не сопровождали рукой до конца, то клин может сорваться со стопоров раньше времени и "прикусить" гильзу. Тогда надо специальной деревянной толкушкой протолкнуть снаряд в патронник и дать возможность закрыться клину. Иногда в спешке под руку попадается металлический стопор пушки по-походному. И иногда этим металлическим стопором попадают по капсюлю… Тогда снова "поем песню" из пункта выше;

          приведенные выше тезисы о плюсах и минусах танков с АЗ и (как противовес им) танков с экипажем, имеющим заряжающего, несколько неоднозначны (и "положение вещей" в танковом мире тому подтверждение).
          так что говорить о подавляющем преимуществе какой-либо из приведенных вариантов (а еще существует и "промежуточный" вариант - нынешний танк "Меркава", где используется полуавтоматическая система подачи выстрелов (где выстрел механически подается на уровень казённика и затем вручную досылается в казенник)) не приходится.
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 28 October 2015 17: 54 New
            +4
            one of the first tanks with AZ AMX-13
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 28 October 2015 20: 38 New
              +1
              The AMX-13 does not have an automatic loader, it has a turret-type combat pack, having shot a drum (at a high pace, however), it is forced to go to the rear for reloading.
              1. anti-Semite
                anti-Semite 28 October 2015 20: 48 New
                +3
                for that matter, the is 7 has almost an automatic loader, where the loader has a duty to replenish a mechanized combat unit
              2. self-propelled
                self-propelled 28 October 2015 23: 51 New
                +1
                For the first time, a technical solution for mechanizing reloading a cannon of a serial tank was implemented in France in 1952 in the form of a semiautomatic device for loading the light tank AMX-13. His gun was installed in a swinging tower with the removal of the breech of the gun outside the reservation. To the left and right of the breech were mechanized revolving stacking of unitary shots. When the cannon was rolled back after the shot, a spring rammer was cocked, after which the gunner, rotating the helm, had to ensure the choice of one of two types of ammunition and unload it on the feeder tray.
                All the work of the gunner (but not the loader (he was absent as such)) was reduced to laying the shot on the feeder tray. I’m not arguing that the AMX-13 loading mechanism is called somewhat automatic, but this is one of the first systems that made it possible to exclude a loader from the crew.
          2. wk
            wk 28 October 2015 21: 53 New
            0
            Quote: self-propelled
            их опоненты приводят свои доводы в пользу АЗ (взяв за пример условия работы заряжающего в "Абрамс'е": - вес снаряда. Не так двинулся, не так взялся, не так положил – и, как минимум, синяк на руке или прищемил палец. А можно и что-нибудь сломать или порвать или растянуть связки кистей рук. Поэтому заряжающий всегда в любое время находится в танке в зимних варежках или хотя бы в перчатках; - малые габариты боевого отделения. Вокруг только выступающие металлические детали. Зацепись капсюлем за что-нибудь - и "нас извлекут из-под обломков". Поэтому заряжающий всегда берет снаряд так, чтобы ладонью левой руки накладывать на дно гильзы, прикрывая капсюль; - клин затвора. Тяжёлая деталь. Мощнейшая пружина закрывает затвор (перемещает клин слева направо) за полсекунды. Неправильно разместил руку при досылании, растопырил пальцы – и слово "прищемил" здесь уже не подходит. Раздробление. Ампутация. Поэтому заряжающий после вставления снаряда в патронник досылает его одним мощным движением, одновременно сопровождая дно гильзы левой рукой, сложенной в кулак. Большим пальцем к себе. При этом клин, закрываясь, мягко сдвигает руку вправо. Если досыл был не энергичным или снаряд не сопровождали рукой до конца, то клин может сорваться со стопоров раньше времени и "прикусить" гильзу. Тогда надо специальной деревянной толкушкой протолкнуть снаряд в патронник и дать возможность закрыться клину. Иногда в спешке под руку попадается металлический стопор пушки по-походному. И иногда этим металлическим стопором попадают по капсюлю… Тогда снова "поем песню" из пункта выше;



            if I’m not mistaken still on the T55 and T62, there was a mechanized projectile sending system, which is devoid of AZ flaws but greatly simplifies the work of the loader .... in my humble opinion (not a tanker) this is exactly the charging scheme that should be present in promising tanks .... it is surprising why it is absent on the Abrams and other western samples
            1. iConst
              iConst 28 October 2015 22: 10 New
              0
              Quote: self-propelled
              Зацепись капсюлем за что-нибудь - и "нас извлекут из-под обломков".

              Quote: wk
              if I’m not mistaken yet on T55 and T62 there was a mechanized projectile sending system
              - В Абрамсах не капсюльная система воспламенения, а электрическая: орудие М256 (аналог 120-мм гладкоствольной пушки L-44 "Рейнметалл").
            2. self-propelled
              self-propelled 29 October 2015 00: 12 New
              0
              Quote: wk
              if I’m not mistaken yet on the T55 and the T62 there was a mechanized projectile sending system, which is devoid of AZ flaws but greatly simplifies the work of the loader .... in my humble opinion (not of a tanker) this is the exact charging scheme that should be present in promising tanks ....

              вся механизация заряжания в Т-62 сводится в досылании выбранного (заряжающим) выстрела (т.е. заряжающий не лез руками в зарядную камору). все остальные действия (выбор типа боеприпаса, укладка его на лоток подавателя) производились вручную. К примеру, в "Меркаве" задача заряжающего сводится к досыланию выбранного выстрела в зарядную камору (все остальные действия производятся автоматически механизмами, исключая участие заряжающего)
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          4. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn 29 October 2015 05: 41 New
            +1
            SW Self-propelled guns, I still consider the main advantage of AZ - the ability to shoot on the move. Try to get into the breech shell when the tank rushes at a speed of 50 km / h on rough terrain accompanying the target, which person will cope with this and remain intact? How much does this breech weigh and what is the risk of meeting his hands with him?
      2. Altona
        Altona 28 October 2015 16: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?! Типа такой тонкий намек?! Что то в последнее время турки нарываются на то, чтобы мы в очередной раз щит к вратам Царьграда прибили!

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        They have Baykal machine tools called ... Coincidence? I don’t think so ... laughing
      3. self-propelled
        self-propelled 28 October 2015 16: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?! Типа такой тонкий намек?!

        actually, the Altay tank was named after the General of the Turkish Army Fakhrettin Altai (and not with a hint of the territory of the Russian Federation) hi
      4. Myth
        Myth 28 October 2015 16: 33 New
        +1
        Well, it’s not nailed to them, they’re waiting laughing
      5. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 28 October 2015 16: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?! Типа такой тонкий намек?! Что то в последнее время турки нарываются на то, чтобы мы в очередной раз щит к вратам Царьграда прибили!

        "Алтай" - это турецкая фамилия (или имя). А вот почему наш Алтай назван так? Неужто не догадываетесь? В честь какого-то "Алтая" во время великого переселения монголов из Азии в Россию, которое у нас называли татаро-монгольским игом.
        There are no hints here. They did not give a damn about our Altai 1000 times. Altai is their national hero.
      6. AID.S
        AID.S 28 October 2015 17: 10 New
        -1
        Languages ​​need to be beaten, grinding rubbish !!!
      7. Zymran
        Zymran 28 October 2015 17: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?! Типа такой тонкий намек?! Что то в последнее время турки нарываются на то, чтобы мы в очередной раз щит к вратам Царьграда прибили!


        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrettin_Altay
      8. Tsvetkov
        Tsvetkov 28 October 2015 19: 27 New
        -3
        what will we beat? - they have one of the most powerful fleets in the world
        1. Altona
          Altona 28 October 2015 20: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Tsvetkov
          what will we beat? - they have one of the most powerful fleets in the world

          ---------------------
          Does the genetic memory no longer remember Chesme Bay?
        2. anti-Semite
          anti-Semite 28 October 2015 20: 50 New
          +1
          nobody canceled the tactical nuclear weapons, and even the Pkr, plus their air force is quite outdated and the tank fleet for the most part is 60 m there are btr m 113, their fleet is strong but they won’t win one fleet
      9. Tsvetkov
        Tsvetkov 28 October 2015 19: 27 New
        -1
        what will we beat? - they have one of the most powerful fleets in the world
      10. cyberhanter
        cyberhanter 28 October 2015 19: 37 New
        +1
        Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?!

        The tank was named after Army General Fakhrettin Altai ...
        I don’t understand, so at least open a wikipedia
      11. mitrich
        mitrich 28 October 2015 22: 32 New
        0
        Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?! Типа такой тонкий намек?! Что то в последнее время турки нарываются на то, чтобы мы в очередной раз щит к вратам Царьграда прибили!

        For the sake of a red word? Or just a post to squeeze?
        The shield was nailed to the Byzantine, Orthodox, Constantinople, the Ottomans Turks then much later destroyed Byzantium, and where?
    2. Now we are free
      Now we are free 28 October 2015 15: 30 New
      +5
      Турция -"Туристическая сверхдержава" но до военной сверхдержавы ей ... Каждый раз когда читаю название этого нового Турецкого танка сам собой в голове возникает вопрос -"Алтай"... А что не "Байкал"? (Знаю, знаю танк назван в честь Турецкого генерала Алтая, но так его воспринимает Русское ухо laughing)

      П.С. Да, разработка может и не плохая, но на фоне "Арматы"...
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      1. Engineer
        Engineer 28 October 2015 15: 32 New
        +7
        The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know. And the tank is named after General Fakhrettin Altai.

        ps the tank is based on the Korean panther, and the panther is a tuning German leopard, and the leopard is perhaps the best NATO tank.
        1. jjj
          jjj 28 October 2015 15: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Engineer
          ps the tank is based on the Korean panther, and the panther is a tuning German leopard, and the leopard is perhaps the best NATO tank.

          They simplified it, adapted it here. And so everything in turn ...
        2. Beaver
          Beaver 28 October 2015 15: 45 New
          +7
          Quote: Engineer
          The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know.

          Oh really? Stronger than a mattress? Wonderful things ...
          1. quote
            quote 28 October 2015 16: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Castor
            Quote: Engineer
            The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know.

            Oh really? Stronger than a mattress? Wonderful things ...

            Конечно сильнее,в ней же "все включенО"!
            Скоро и движок новый "включат".
        3. Garris199
          Garris199 29 October 2015 03: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Engineer
          The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know

          They didn’t even guess. smile For some reason, many thought in the USA. smile
  2. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 28 October 2015 15: 25 New
    +4
    Altai from Turkish translates as Golden Mountain.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 28 October 2015 15: 31 New
      10
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      Altai from Turkish translates as Golden Mountain.

      God grant that it should cost the same! smile
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 28 October 2015 16: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        God grant that it should cost the same!

        Yes Easy! K-2 is the most expensive tank in the world, this one will be slightly cheaper due to cheaper labor, simplified design and the availability of our own developments.
        1. zennon
          zennon 28 October 2015 16: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: inkass_98
          K-2 is the most expensive tank in the world,

          Do not be fooled. The most expensive is the AMX-56 Leclerc for the paddling pool.
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 28 October 2015 20: 39 New
            0
            The most expensive is Tip-10, Japan.
            1. zennon
              zennon 28 October 2015 23: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Maksus
              The most expensive is Tip-10, Japan.

              No, Type 10 costs $ 9,4, and Leclerc $ 10.
      2. thinker
        thinker 28 October 2015 16: 19 New
        0
        The Turkish MBT was named after General Fakhrettin Altai, parts of which during the Revolutionary War liberated the city of Izmir (the third largest city in Turkey and the country's second largest port after Istanbul) from the Greek aggressors.

        http://topwar.ru/3977-obt-altaj...ostroeniya.html
        http://topwar.ru/21300-foto-novogo-tureckogo-obt-altay.html
    2. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 28 October 2015 16: 36 New
      +1
      Altai from the Mongolian Golden Mountain, not from Turkish.

      And the tank may have been given a name in honor of a person, but this person’s surname speaks specifically about Altai. Turks believe that they came from there. There is some truth in this, but they could not give a name because, after the separation of the Türks, the ancient Kyrgyz lived in Altai (several centuries ago they were divided into Kyrgyz, Khakass, Altaians, Tuvans). And it was they who gave the modern name to this land. And it means a very simple thing Alty-Six Ai-Months. Since they were nomadic, they spent six months in Altai and six months in Alatoo and spent the winter.
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 29 October 2015 09: 24 New
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        В переводе с тюркского "Алтай" означает "золотые горы" Смотри далее список тюркских народов
        1. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 29 October 2015 10: 28 New
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          I do not need a list of Turkic peoples. And even a phrase book is not needed to tell you for sure that Altyn is gold (Turk), and Alt is with Mong. gold

          And that the root of the word is not Altyn and not Alt (respectively, not the Turkish and Mongolian versions), but Alti + Ay - with the decoding that I gave from the indigenous peoples of Altai in a previous post - the ancient Kyrgyz, whose descendants still live in Altai today. And Altai (and not Alti Aem) became with Russian transcription on maps later.

          "Гора" если упорствуете - на огузских языках "Даг", на кипчакском "Тоо", на монгольском "Уулын".
          1. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 29 October 2015 11: 07 New
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            And the Golden Mountain Altai (which adopted the word, but translated into their own language differently) called the Dzungars (Mongols-Oirats) from whose words the Chinese sources and recorded Altai as golden mountains.
  3. Wiruz
    Wiruz 28 October 2015 15: 26 New
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    Tanks are back in fashion good
    1. venaya
      venaya 28 October 2015 15: 45 New
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      Quote: Wiruz
      Tanks are back in fashion good
      MTU MT 12 Ka 883 501-cylinder diesel engine rated at 1500 hp and automatic transmission Renk HSWL 295TM

      An automatic transmission is certainly nice, but their efficiency (power loss) is not very good. We better look at the options based on semi-automatic gearboxes, and gaining power, there are other advantages. In all cases, only domestic production is needed.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 28 October 2015 17: 03 New
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      Quote: Wiruz
      Tanks are back in fashion

      А я ведь говорил про всемирный заговор обиженных долгим отсутствием заказов танкостроителей, первой ласточкой которого была "Армата". smile
  4. a-cola
    a-cola 28 October 2015 15: 27 New
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    Turkey foresees sanctions from the West? We also decided to engage in import substitution?)
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  6. Engineer
    Engineer 28 October 2015 15: 29 New
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    The engine means the German is not happy, and the gun is the German norm, right?
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 28 October 2015 15: 35 New
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      engines have less resource than guns. You will have to change more often - one hemorrhage.
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 28 October 2015 15: 40 New
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        I think German or American shells will be consumed more often than engines.
    2. zennon
      zennon 28 October 2015 16: 49 New
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      Quote: Engineer
      The engine means the German is not happy, and the gun is the German norm, right?

      Сообщается что пушка 120-мм MKEK120.Она немецкая?На "Леопарде" стоит Rheinmetall Rh-120.
  7. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 28 October 2015 15: 34 New
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    Что ж, все течет, все развивается. И то обстоятельство, что турки додумались не зависеть от поставок движков для танков из-за бугорья добавляет к ним уважения. А то сегодня друг и союзник, а завтра.... в лучшем случае этой страны-друга может и не стать, в худшем - как говорят некоторые просвященные джентельмены "У нас нет постоянных союзников и противников, у нас есть только свои интересы"
    1. Altona
      Altona 28 October 2015 16: 20 New
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      Quote: Corsair0304
      Well, everything flows, everything develops. And the fact that the Turks thought of not depending on the supply of engines for tanks from over the hill adds respect to them. And then today is a friend and ally, and tomorrow ...

      -------------------
      They are collecting Japanese Honda, for example, and much more ... The engine is still on the notions of a licensed one, nothing of its kind will be there ...
  8. Baloo_bst
    Baloo_bst 28 October 2015 15: 38 New
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    laser warning equipment,

    And what kind of equipment is this?
    1. just exp
      just exp 28 October 2015 16: 40 New
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      sensors that detect the presence of laser illumination, this is in case of detecting an ATGM attack with laser illumination.
  9. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 October 2015 15: 39 New
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    I think it's time to send to Turkey in camouflage beaches ... (without identification marks) Let the form fade to the color of sand ... (both faces and beards grow)))) Give Erdogan a try ...
  10. purple
    purple 28 October 2015 15: 54 New
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    Quote: Engineer

    ps the tank is based on the Korean panther, and the panther is at

    Quote: Engineer
    The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know. And the tank is named after General Fakhrettin Altai.

    ps the tank is based on the Korean panther, and the panther is a tuning German leopard, and the leopard is perhaps the best NATO tank.

    Thanks, neighing.
  11. VP
    VP 28 October 2015 16: 02 New
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    Так вот откуда термин "алтайская бронемилиция" )
    1. roskot
      roskot 28 October 2015 17: 03 New
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      Так что укропы имели ввиду, когда разгромили "алтайскую бронемилицию"?
  12. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 28 October 2015 16: 16 New
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    Where are our 1500 for the T-90?
  13. Gunther
    Gunther 28 October 2015 16: 50 New
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    Турки берут с нас пример, "импортозамещают".
    But not everything is so simple with the name of the Turkish tank.
    As you know, Vehbi Koch was a fan of the young talent of Altai Kimdir, and Veji Gonul was just his ardent fan.
    So, I think, Fakhrettin Altai and Altai (al-tall, tai-mountain) have nothing to do with it.
    And yes, I am a supporter of conspiracy theory)))
  14. Mjohn
    Mjohn 28 October 2015 17: 07 New
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    Quote: Varyag_1973
    Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?! Типа такой тонкий намек?! Что то в последнее время турки нарываются на то, чтобы мы в очередной раз щит к вратам Царьграда прибили!

    Вы спросите любого турка, он вам скажет его предки с Алтая. Именно армяне говорят туркам: "чемодан-вокзал-алтай!"
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 28 October 2015 17: 16 New
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      Quote: MJohn
      Вы спросите любого турка, он вам скажет его предки с Алтая. Именно армяне говорят туркам: "чемодан-вокзал-алтай!"


      It is believed that the homeland of all Turkic-speaking peoples is Altai.
  15. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 28 October 2015 17: 21 New
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    Well, why are you laughing, well, people want their tank, let them do it. Nothing outstanding, of course, will be, but a good average is quite ... The Brazilians have been developing SPGs for about ten years. Well done, they try, they build as they can.
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 October 2015 18: 42 New
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    With the engine they have trouble.
  17. gridasov
    gridasov 28 October 2015 19: 20 New
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    As far as I know, in very dusty conditions for operating tanks, gas turbine engines showed their best performance. If you look at innovative applications from many countries, they concentrate on finding ideas for creating new principles for the operation of a gas turbine engine. And such a justified and reasoned model of such an engine is.
    1. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 28 October 2015 20: 53 New
      +1
      just for GDT, the dust is the worst enemy; they are ideal for the north, but they don’t work very well in the desert
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 28 October 2015 21: 13 New
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        Практика говорит о другом. Для ГТД фактически опасен песок отдельного вида , но не пустынный и чем ниже его дисперсность тем он менее опасен. Подумайте. Поверхностей соприкосновения трущихся деталей нет. Есть поверхности истечения. Зону камеры сгорания и не сильно нужно изолировать . Топливо может быть любое. В общем на модернизированных особым образом турбинах можно и вообще без фильтров. Чтобы Вас это не удивляло вспомните принципы "циклона"
        1. anti-Semite
          anti-Semite 28 October 2015 22: 34 New
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          practice says the opposite, they tried to put 80 on the Middle East market and it was not very successful, although as I wrote for the north and especially the Arctic, the gas turbine engine is an exceptionally good option
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 28 October 2015 22: 45 New
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            For you, practice suggests that experience has revealed visible negative conditions for using the standard design of a gas turbine engine. And For me, practice shows that these negative factors are easily transformed into positive ones. You can think from the past and from the future knowing what is needed and understanding how to do it in the best possible way.
            At the same time, we can say that the Arctic accepts electric motors on electric generators. energy.
            1. anti-Semite
              anti-Semite 29 October 2015 01: 16 New
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              the question is which engine will rotate the generator, for the ice of the Arctic GTE is preferable for the central and southern parts of the optimal diesel
  18. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 28 October 2015 20: 54 New
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    Нам тоже надо рассмотреть вопрос создания нового противотанкового комплекса "Византий" в честь Византа (др.-греч. Βύζας).
  19. mamont5
    mamont5 29 October 2015 06: 17 New
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    Quote: Varyag_1973
    Что то я не понял, чего это они свой танк "Алтаем" обозвали?! Типа такой тонкий намек?! Что то в последнее время турки нарываются на то, чтобы мы в очередной раз щит к вратам Царьграда прибили!

    No, if it’s a hint, it’s not that.
    Турки считают Алтай своей древней Родиной. Именно оттуда, пошли на завоевание Средиземноморья племена сельджуков и османов. Современные турки помнят об этом. В общем, "...говорят они с Altai, как и мы."
  20. Wolka
    Wolka 29 October 2015 06: 56 New
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    an expensive toy for Turkey, so they’ll really fight vryatli ...