Turkey will start developing its own engine for a promising tank "Altai"

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Turkish company Tumosan will start developing a diesel engine for domestic tank Altai in 2016, reports TSAMTO with reference to Kurtulus Ogun, Executive Director of the company.



Earlier, Turkey was negotiating the joint development of a power plant with the Japanese company Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. However, in March of this year, an agreement on the development of the ROC was signed with the company “Tumosan”. The deal is valued at $ 206,3 million.

“The national engine and transmission will replace the currently installed power-transmission unit (powerpack), which includes the 12-cylinder diesel engine MTU MT 883 Ka 501 hp 1500. and automatic transmission Renk HSWL 295TM ", - writes the publication.

It is noted that the decision to replace the engine was made by the authorities, including due to the fact that "obtaining permission to export weapons and related subsystems, including MTU engines, is becoming increasingly difficult."

The development of the tank "Altai" is conducted by the company "Otokar" at the request of the military department with 2008. The South Korean company "Hyundai Rotem" assists in the development. At present, 4 prototypes have been manufactured, which are subject to acceptance testing and certification. Complete them planned for next year.

Total Turkish Defense Ministry intends to buy a thousand new tanks.

Help TSAMTO: "Altai", created on the basis of the project of the South Korean tank K-2 "Black Panther", will be a machine of 60 t mass, armed with a 120-stabilized 55-mm cannon, paired with an 7,62-mm machine gun and 12,7- mm machine gun. The tank will be equipped with digital weapons control systems, systems for protecting against weapons of mass destruction, laser irradiation warning equipment, a friend-to-others identification system, an auxiliary power unit and modular composite armor. Crew - 4 person. "
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  1. +10
    28 October 2015 15: 24
    Well, we would have to do something faster with ship engines ....
    1. +24
      28 October 2015 15: 28
      Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?! Like such a subtle hint ?! Something recently the Turks are running into the fact that we once again nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople!
      1. +9
        28 October 2015 15: 34
        And most interestingly, they call their development based on the South Korean K-2 their tank, in fact - an outwardly modified Korean tank. Because it cannot be completely developed on the basis of a foreign standard in principle. And at the same time the pride with which they talk about the crew of 4 dudes is especially funny. Do they have manual loading of guns?
        1. +10
          28 October 2015 15: 46
          Do not believe it! They have a MISSILE gun. belay
          Shaitan-karamultuk is called.
          1. +1
            28 October 2015 21: 24
            Quote: Black Colonel
            Do not believe it! They have a MISSILE gun.
            - Gone, thanks for the good sense of humor.
            Pluseg ...
          2. +1
            28 October 2015 22: 45
            [quote = Black Colonel] Do not believe it! They have a MISSILE gun. belay
            Shaitan-karamultuk is called - and everyone else via the Internet ,? winked
        2. +1
          28 October 2015 15: 57
          Do they have manual loading of guns?

          If my memory serves me, then only we have charging machines,
          everyone else is manual.
          1. +3
            28 October 2015 16: 16
            "Leclerc" is also from AZ.
          2. 0
            28 October 2015 16: 38
            the French also have it, and the Koreans pulled off a fresco AZ for their K-2, on the basis of which the Turkish made their altai.
          3. +1
            28 October 2015 17: 16
            Quote: fiction
            Do they have manual loading of guns?

            If my memory serves me, then only we have charging machines,
            everyone else is manual.

            Automatic loaders are in service on the tanks of Russia, Ukraine, France, Israel.
            1. +1
              28 October 2015 18: 39
              Israel has manual loading of tanks
              1. 0
                28 October 2015 21: 54
                Quote: anti-Semite
                Israel has manual loading of tanks

                On the Merkava 3 tank - five 46 shells ready to be fired are located in a special drum-type store mounted on the turret’s rotating turret. The system for supplying shots is semi-automatic. By pressing the foot pedal, the loader raises the shot to the level of the breech and then manually sends it to the breech.
                The next promising tank in Israel will have a full automatic loader.
                1. 0
                  28 October 2015 22: 23
                  this is not a AZ, this is a parody of it, but we will see what will happen in the future, because at Warsonline, and it is an Israeli forum, they convinced me that AZ is a minus and what for it is not needed.
                2. 0
                  28 October 2015 22: 39
                  then it turns out that for IS 7 there is also an automatic reloading device and mechanized supply of ammunition by the conveyor; besides, manual loading is very difficult for Merkava 4 and I doubt very much that they will go on the creation of the automatic machine it was painfully affected by the explosiveness there 72 in Israel now on the topic of automatic loading a whole phobia
            2. 0
              28 October 2015 22: 21
              and in the mercans when did this AZ appear?
          4. +1
            28 October 2015 18: 38
            French Leclerc, Japanese Type 10, Pakistani Al Khalid, Iranian Zulfakor, Chinese tanks, Korean Panther
        3. +8
          28 October 2015 16: 22
          Quote: Basarev
          crew of 4 dudes. Do they have manual loading of guns?

          With regards to the name, the tank was named after Army General Fakhrettin Altai, who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps during the Turkish War of Independence 1919-1923.
          1. -2
            28 October 2015 16: 38
            and from whom did Turkey try to gain independence?
            1. +5
              28 October 2015 16: 54
              Quote: just EXPL
              and from whom did Turkey try to gain independence?

              The Turks lost the 1st World War.
              October 30, 1918 - the Mudros Armistice was concluded, followed by the Sevres Peace Treaty (August 10, 1920), which did not enter into force, since it was not ratified by all the signatories (ratified only by Greece). Under this agreement, the Ottoman Empire was to be divided, and one of the largest cities in Asia Minor (Smyrna) was promised to Greece. The Greek army took it on May 15, 1919, after which the War of Independence began. Turkish nationalists led by Mustafa Kemal refused to recognize the peace treaty and expelled the Greeks from the country by armed force. By September 18, 1922 Turkey was liberated from the conquerors. The Lausanne Peace Treaty of 1923 (July 24) recognized the new borders of Turkey.
        4. +2
          28 October 2015 17: 40
          Quote: Basarev
          And at the same time, the pride with which they talk about the crew in 4 dude is especially funny. Do they have manual loading of guns?

          The advantages (and disadvantages) of AZs have been discussed more than once.
          For example, Western tank "docks", comparing a tank with an AZ and a tank with a loader, in favor of the latter are the following indicators:
          - standard rate of fire tanks with manual loading - 6-7 rounds per minute, and automatic loading provides a rate of approximately 4-8 rounds per minute. those. the difference is not very big and depends on the preparation of the loader (although, as for me, it is more "-" rather than "+");
          - charging system is more reliable. In case of problems with the power supply or hydraulics of the automatic machines, a system with a charging device as opposed to a AZ in such conditions provides greater reliability and rate of fire;
          - no load on the tank commander and gunner - in case of failure of the AZ, they are also all engaged only in immediate duties, not being distracted, that is, they are fighting;
          - more ammunition;
          - loader has other responsibilities, first of all, for maintenance (and an extra pair of hands will not be superfluous, sorry for the tautology);
          their opponents give their arguments in favor of AZ (taking as an example the working conditions of the loader in the "Abrams":
          - projectile weight. He didn’t move, didn’t take it, didn’t put it in that way - and at least a bruise on his arm or pinched his finger. And you can break something or tear or stretch the ligaments of the hands. Therefore, the loader is always at any time in the tank in winter mittens, or at least in gloves;
          - small dimensions of the fighting compartment... There are only protruding metal parts around. Hook on something with a primer - and "we will be pulled out from under the rubble." Therefore, the loader always takes the projectile so that the palm of his left hand is placed on the bottom of the cartridge case, covering the primer;
          - shutter wedge... Heavy detail. The most powerful spring closes the bolt (moves the wedge from left to right) in half a second. I placed my hand incorrectly when sending it, spread my fingers - and the word "pinched" is no longer suitable here. Fragmentation. Amputation. Therefore, after inserting the projectile into the chamber, the loader sends it in one powerful movement, while simultaneously accompanying the bottom of the case with his left hand folded into a fist. Thumb to yourself. In this case, the wedge, closing, gently shifts the hand to the right. If the ram was not energetic or the projectile was not accompanied by a hand to the end, then the wedge can break loose from the stoppers ahead of time and "bite" the sleeve. Then it is necessary to push the projectile into the chamber with a special wooden pusher and allow the wedge to close. Sometimes, in a hurry, a metal stopper of a cannon in a marching way comes across. And sometimes with this metal stopper they hit the capsule ... Then again "sing the song" from the point above;

          the above theses about the pros and cons of tanks with AZ and (as a counterbalance to them) tanks with a crew with a loader are somewhat ambiguous (and the "state of affairs" in the tank world is a confirmation of this).
          so to speak about the overwhelming advantage of any of the above options (and there is also an "intermediate" option - the current Merkava tank, which uses a semi-automatic system for feeding shots (where the shot is mechanically fed to the level of the breech and then manually sent to the breech)) not necessary.
          1. +4
            28 October 2015 17: 54
            one of the first tanks with AZ AMX-13
            1. +1
              28 October 2015 20: 38
              The AMX-13 does not have an automatic loader, it has a turret-type combat pack, having shot a drum (at a high pace, however), it is forced to go to the rear for reloading.
              1. +3
                28 October 2015 20: 48
                for that matter, the is 7 has almost an automatic loader, where the loader has a duty to replenish a mechanized combat unit
              2. +1
                28 October 2015 23: 51
                For the first time, a technical solution for mechanizing reloading a cannon of a serial tank was implemented in France in 1952 in the form of a semiautomatic device for loading the light tank AMX-13. His gun was installed in a swinging tower with the removal of the breech of the gun outside the reservation. To the left and right of the breech were mechanized revolving stacking of unitary shots. When the cannon was rolled back after the shot, a spring rammer was cocked, after which the gunner, rotating the helm, had to ensure the choice of one of two types of ammunition and unload it on the feeder tray.
                All the work of the gunner (but not the loader (he was absent as such)) was reduced to laying the shot on the feeder tray. I’m not arguing that the AMX-13 loading mechanism is called somewhat automatic, but this is one of the first systems that made it possible to exclude a loader from the crew.
          2. wk
            0
            28 October 2015 21: 53
            Quote: self-propelled
            their opponents cite their arguments in favor of AZ (taking as an example the operating conditions of the loader in the Abrams: - the weight of the projectile. He moved wrong, took the wrong way, put it down wrong - and, at least, a bruise on his hand or pinched his finger. And you can break something or tear or stretch the ligaments of the hands. Therefore, the loader is always in the tank at any time in winter mittens or at least gloves; - small dimensions of the fighting compartment. There are only protruding metal parts around. something - and “we will be pulled out from under the wreckage.” Therefore, the loader always takes the projectile so that with the palm of his left hand he puts it on the bottom of the cartridge case, covering the primer; . Incorrectly placed his hand when sending, spread his fingers - and the word "pinched" is no longer suitable here. Crushing. Amputation. Therefore, after inserting the projectile into the chamber, the loader sends it in one powerful movement, simultaneously Simultaneously accompanying the bottom of the sleeve with his left hand folded into a fist. Thumb to yourself. In this case, the wedge, closing, gently shifts the hand to the right. If the ram was not energetic or the projectile was not accompanied by a hand to the end, then the wedge may break loose from the stoppers ahead of time and "bite" the sleeve. Then it is necessary to push the projectile into the chamber with a special wooden pusher and allow the wedge to close. Sometimes, in a hurry, a metal stopper of a cannon in a marching way comes across. And sometimes with this metal stopper they hit the capsule ... Then again "sing the song" from the point above;



            if I’m not mistaken still on the T55 and T62, there was a mechanized projectile sending system, which is devoid of AZ flaws but greatly simplifies the work of the loader .... in my humble opinion (not a tanker) this is exactly the charging scheme that should be present in promising tanks .... it is surprising why it is absent on the Abrams and other western samples
            1. 0
              28 October 2015 22: 10
              Quote: self-propelled
              Hook on something with a primer - and "we will be pulled out from under the rubble."

              Quote: wk
              if I’m not mistaken yet on T55 and T62 there was a mechanized projectile sending system
              - In Abrams, not a primer ignition system, but an electric one: the M256 cannon (analogue of the 120-mm smoothbore gun L-44 "Rheinmetall").
            2. 0
              29 October 2015 00: 12
              Quote: wk
              if I’m not mistaken yet on the T55 and the T62 there was a mechanized projectile sending system, which is devoid of AZ flaws but greatly simplifies the work of the loader .... in my humble opinion (not of a tanker) this is the exact charging scheme that should be present in promising tanks ....

              the whole mechanization of loading in the T-62 is reduced to sending the selected (loader) shot (i.e., the loader did not climb his hands into the charging chamber). all other actions (choosing the type of ammunition, placing it on the feeder tray) were performed manually. For example, in the "Merkava" the loader's task is reduced to sending the selected shot into the charging chamber (all other actions are performed automatically by mechanisms, excluding the loader's participation)
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          4. +1
            29 October 2015 05: 41
            SW Self-propelled guns, I still consider the main advantage of AZ - the ability to shoot on the move. Try to get into the breech shell when the tank rushes at a speed of 50 km / h on rough terrain accompanying the target, which person will cope with this and remain intact? How much does this breech weigh and what is the risk of meeting his hands with him?
      2. +1
        28 October 2015 16: 18
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?! Like such a subtle hint ?! Something recently the Turks are running into the fact that we once again nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople!

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        They have Baykal machine tools called ... Coincidence? I don’t think so ... laughing
      3. +2
        28 October 2015 16: 22
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?! Like such a subtle hint ?!

        actually, the Altay tank was named after the General of the Turkish Army Fakhrettin Altai (and not with a hint of the territory of the Russian Federation) hi
      4. +1
        28 October 2015 16: 33
        Well, it’s not nailed to them, they’re waiting laughing
      5. +2
        28 October 2015 16: 54
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?! Like such a subtle hint ?! Something recently the Turks are running into the fact that we once again nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople!

        Altai is a Turkish surname (or first name). But why is our Altai named so? Can't you guess? In honor of some "Altai" during the great migration of the Mongols from Asia to Russia, which we called the Tatar-Mongol yoke.
        There are no hints here. They did not give a damn about our Altai 1000 times. Altai is their national hero.
      6. -1
        28 October 2015 17: 10
        Languages ​​need to be beaten, grinding rubbish !!!
      7. 0
        28 October 2015 17: 14
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?! Like such a subtle hint ?! Something recently the Turks are running into the fact that we once again nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople!


        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrettin_Altay
      8. -3
        28 October 2015 19: 27
        what will we beat? - they have one of the most powerful fleets in the world
        1. +1
          28 October 2015 20: 16
          Quote: Tsvetkov
          what will we beat? - they have one of the most powerful fleets in the world

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          Does the genetic memory no longer remember Chesme Bay?
        2. +1
          28 October 2015 20: 50
          nobody canceled the tactical nuclear weapons, and even the Pkr, plus their air force is quite outdated and the tank fleet for the most part is 60 m there are btr m 113, their fleet is strong but they won’t win one fleet
      9. -1
        28 October 2015 19: 27
        what will we beat? - they have one of the most powerful fleets in the world
      10. +1
        28 October 2015 19: 37
        Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?!

        The tank was named after Army General Fakhrettin Altai ...
        I don’t understand, so at least open a wikipedia
      11. 0
        28 October 2015 22: 32
        Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?! Like such a subtle hint ?! Something recently the Turks are running into the fact that we once again nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople!

        For the sake of a red word? Or just a post to squeeze?
        The shield was nailed to the Byzantine, Orthodox, Constantinople, the Ottomans Turks then much later destroyed Byzantium, and where?
    2. +5
      28 October 2015 15: 30
      Turkey is a "tourist superpower" but before a military superpower it is ... Every time I read the name of this new Turkish tank, a question arises in my head - "Altai" ... And what is not "Baikal"? (I know, I know the tank is named after the Turkish general of Altai, but this is how the Russian ear perceives it laughing)

      P.S. Yes, the development may not be bad, but against the background of "Armata" ...
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      1. +7
        28 October 2015 15: 32
        The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know. And the tank is named after General Fakhrettin Altai.

        ps the tank is based on the Korean panther, and the panther is a tuning German leopard, and the leopard is perhaps the best NATO tank.
        1. jjj
          +1
          28 October 2015 15: 43
          Quote: Engineer
          ps the tank is based on the Korean panther, and the panther is a tuning German leopard, and the leopard is perhaps the best NATO tank.

          They simplified it, adapted it here. And so everything in turn ...
        2. +7
          28 October 2015 15: 45
          Quote: Engineer
          The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know.

          Oh really? Stronger than a mattress? Wonderful things ...
          1. +1
            28 October 2015 16: 18
            Quote: Castor
            Quote: Engineer
            The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know.

            Oh really? Stronger than a mattress? Wonderful things ...

            Of course it is stronger, in it "everything is on"!
            Soon the new engine will be turned on.
        3. 0
          29 October 2015 03: 30
          Quote: Engineer
          The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know

          They didn’t even guess. smile For some reason, many thought in the USA. smile
  2. +4
    28 October 2015 15: 25
    Altai from Turkish translates as Golden Mountain.
    1. +10
      28 October 2015 15: 31
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      Altai from Turkish translates as Golden Mountain.

      God grant that it should cost the same! smile
      1. +1
        28 October 2015 16: 18
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        God grant that it should cost the same!

        Yes Easy! K-2 is the most expensive tank in the world, this one will be slightly cheaper due to cheaper labor, simplified design and the availability of our own developments.
        1. +2
          28 October 2015 16: 35
          Quote: inkass_98
          K-2 is the most expensive tank in the world,

          Do not be fooled. The most expensive is the AMX-56 Leclerc for the paddling pool.
          1. 0
            28 October 2015 20: 39
            The most expensive is Tip-10, Japan.
            1. 0
              28 October 2015 23: 02
              Quote: Maksus
              The most expensive is Tip-10, Japan.

              No, Type 10 costs $ 9,4, and Leclerc $ 10.
      2. 0
        28 October 2015 16: 19
        The Turkish MBT was named after General Fakhrettin Altai, parts of which during the Revolutionary War liberated the city of Izmir (the third largest city in Turkey and the country's second largest port after Istanbul) from the Greek aggressors.

        http://topwar.ru/3977-obt-altaj...ostroeniya.html
        http://topwar.ru/21300-foto-novogo-tureckogo-obt-altay.html
    2. +1
      28 October 2015 16: 36
      Altai from the Mongolian Golden Mountain, not from Turkish.

      And the tank may have been given a name in honor of a person, but this person’s surname speaks specifically about Altai. Turks believe that they came from there. There is some truth in this, but they could not give a name because, after the separation of the Türks, the ancient Kyrgyz lived in Altai (several centuries ago they were divided into Kyrgyz, Khakass, Altaians, Tuvans). And it was they who gave the modern name to this land. And it means a very simple thing Alty-Six Ai-Months. Since they were nomadic, they spent six months in Altai and six months in Alatoo and spent the winter.
      1. 0
        29 October 2015 09: 24
        Translated from the Turkic "Altai" means "golden mountains" See below the list of Turkic peoples
        1. 0
          29 October 2015 10: 28
          I do not need a list of Turkic peoples. And even a phrase book is not needed to tell you for sure that Altyn is gold (Turk), and Alt is with Mong. gold

          And that the root of the word is not Altyn and not Alt (respectively, not the Turkish and Mongolian versions), but Alti + Ay - with the decoding that I gave from the indigenous peoples of Altai in a previous post - the ancient Kyrgyz, whose descendants still live in Altai today. And Altai (and not Alti Aem) became with Russian transcription on maps later.

          "Mountain" if you persist - in the Oguz languages ​​"Dag", in the Kipchak "Too", in the Mongolian "Uulyn".
          1. 0
            29 October 2015 11: 07
            And the Golden Mountain Altai (which adopted the word, but translated into their own language differently) called the Dzungars (Mongols-Oirats) from whose words the Chinese sources and recorded Altai as golden mountains.
  3. +3
    28 October 2015 15: 26
    Tanks are back in fashion good
    1. 0
      28 October 2015 15: 45
      Quote: Wiruz
      Tanks are back in fashion good
      MTU MT 12 Ka 883 501-cylinder diesel engine rated at 1500 hp and automatic transmission Renk HSWL 295TM

      An automatic transmission is certainly nice, but their efficiency (power loss) is not very good. We better look at the options based on semi-automatic gearboxes, and gaining power, there are other advantages. In all cases, only domestic production is needed.
    2. -1
      28 October 2015 17: 03
      Quote: Wiruz
      Tanks are back in fashion

      And I was talking about a worldwide conspiracy of tank builders offended by the long absence of orders, the first swallow of which was "Armata". smile
  4. +1
    28 October 2015 15: 27
    Turkey foresees sanctions from the West? We also decided to engage in import substitution?)
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  6. 0
    28 October 2015 15: 29
    The engine means the German is not happy, and the gun is the German norm, right?
    1. 0
      28 October 2015 15: 35
      engines have less resource than guns. You will have to change more often - one hemorrhage.
      1. 0
        28 October 2015 15: 40
        I think German or American shells will be consumed more often than engines.
    2. +1
      28 October 2015 16: 49
      Quote: Engineer
      The engine means the German is not happy, and the gun is the German norm, right?

      Reportedly a 120mm MKEK120 cannon. Is it German? The Leopard has a Rheinmetall Rh-120.
  7. +1
    28 October 2015 15: 34
    Well, everything flows, everything develops. And the fact that the Turks thought of not depending on the supply of engines for tanks from over the hillock adds to their respect. And then today a friend and ally, and tomorrow .... at best this country-friend may not become, at worst - as some enlightened gentlemen say "We do not have permanent allies and opponents, we only have our own interests."
    1. +1
      28 October 2015 16: 20
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Well, everything flows, everything develops. And the fact that the Turks thought of not depending on the supply of engines for tanks from over the hill adds respect to them. And then today is a friend and ally, and tomorrow ...

      -------------------
      They are collecting Japanese Honda, for example, and much more ... The engine is still on the notions of a licensed one, nothing of its kind will be there ...
  8. 0
    28 October 2015 15: 38
    laser warning equipment,

    And what kind of equipment is this?
    1. 0
      28 October 2015 16: 40
      sensors that detect the presence of laser illumination, this is in case of detecting an ATGM attack with laser illumination.
  9. +1
    28 October 2015 15: 39
    I think it's time to send to Turkey in camouflage beaches ... (without identification marks) Let the form fade to the color of sand ... (both faces and beards grow)))) Give Erdogan a try ...
  10. 0
    28 October 2015 15: 54
    Quote: Engineer

    ps the tank is based on the Korean panther, and the panther is at

    Quote: Engineer
    The Turkish army is the strongest in NATO, if they did not know. And the tank is named after General Fakhrettin Altai.

    ps the tank is based on the Korean panther, and the panther is a tuning German leopard, and the leopard is perhaps the best NATO tank.

    Thanks, neighing.
  11. VP
    +1
    28 October 2015 16: 02
    So that's where the term "Altai armored police" comes from)
    1. 0
      28 October 2015 17: 03
      So what did the dill mean when they crushed the "Altai armored police"?
  12. 0
    28 October 2015 16: 16
    Where are our 1500 for the T-90?
  13. -2
    28 October 2015 16: 50
    The Turks take an example from us, "substitute import".
    But not everything is so simple with the name of the Turkish tank.
    As you know, Vehbi Koch was a fan of the young talent of Altai Kimdir, and Veji Gonul was just his ardent fan.
    So, I think, Fakhrettin Altai and Altai (al-tall, tai-mountain) have nothing to do with it.
    And yes, I am a supporter of conspiracy theory)))
  14. -3
    28 October 2015 17: 07
    Quote: Varyag_1973
    Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?! Like such a subtle hint ?! Something recently the Turks are running into the fact that we once again nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople!

    You ask any Turk, he will tell you his ancestors from Altai. It is the Armenians who say to the Turks: "suitcase-station-altai!"
    1. -1
      28 October 2015 17: 16
      Quote: MJohn
      You ask any Turk, he will tell you his ancestors from Altai. It is the Armenians who say to the Turks: "suitcase-station-altai!"


      It is believed that the homeland of all Turkic-speaking peoples is Altai.
  15. 0
    28 October 2015 17: 21
    Well, why are you laughing, well, people want their tank, let them do it. Nothing outstanding, of course, will be, but a good average is quite ... The Brazilians have been developing SPGs for about ten years. Well done, they try, they build as they can.
  16. 0
    28 October 2015 18: 42
    With the engine they have trouble.
  17. -2
    28 October 2015 19: 20
    As far as I know, in very dusty conditions for operating tanks, gas turbine engines showed their best performance. If you look at innovative applications from many countries, they concentrate on finding ideas for creating new principles for the operation of a gas turbine engine. And such a justified and reasoned model of such an engine is.
    1. +1
      28 October 2015 20: 53
      just for GDT, the dust is the worst enemy; they are ideal for the north, but they don’t work very well in the desert
      1. -1
        28 October 2015 21: 13
        Practice says something else. For a gas turbine engine, sand of a separate type is actually dangerous, but not desert, and the lower its dispersion, the less dangerous it is. Think about it. There are no contact surfaces of the rubbing parts. There are outflow surfaces. The combustion chamber area does not need to be insulated much. Any fuel can be. In general, it is possible without filters at all on turbines modernized in a special way. Lest it surprise you, remember the principles of "cyclone"
        1. 0
          28 October 2015 22: 34
          practice says the opposite, they tried to put 80 on the Middle East market and it was not very successful, although as I wrote for the north and especially the Arctic, the gas turbine engine is an exceptionally good option
          1. 0
            28 October 2015 22: 45
            For you, practice suggests that experience has revealed visible negative conditions for using the standard design of a gas turbine engine. And For me, practice shows that these negative factors are easily transformed into positive ones. You can think from the past and from the future knowing what is needed and understanding how to do it in the best possible way.
            At the same time, we can say that the Arctic accepts electric motors on electric generators. energy.
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              29 October 2015 01: 16
              the question is which engine will rotate the generator, for the ice of the Arctic GTE is preferable for the central and southern parts of the optimal diesel
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    28 October 2015 20: 54
    We also need to consider the issue of creating a new anti-tank complex "Byzantium" in honor of Byzantium (ancient Greek Βύζας).
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    29 October 2015 06: 17
    Quote: Varyag_1973
    Something I didn't understand, why did they call their tank "Altai" ?! Like such a subtle hint ?! Something recently the Turks are running into the fact that we once again nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople!

    No, if it’s a hint, it’s not that.
    The Turks consider Altai their ancient homeland. It was from there that the Seljuk and Ottoman tribes went to conquer the Mediterranean. Modern Turks remember this. In general, "... they speak with Altai, as we are."
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    29 October 2015 06: 56
    an expensive toy for Turkey, so they’ll really fight vryatli ...