Rosoboronexport: C-400 will be delivered to China on time

The head of Rosoboronexport, Anatoly Isaikin, said during a press conference that the contract for the supply of C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRK) to the Chinese military will be executed on time.

“China was the first country to be contracted to supply C-400. This contract, of course, will be executed on time, "quotes Isaykina RIA "News".

Earlier it was reported that the Chinese authorities signed an agreement with the Russian Federation providing for the purchase of four divisions of the Triumph C-400 air defense system in September last year. Previously, these newest systems, which have no analogues in the world, were not exported.

A number of military experts noted that, first of all, the new systems will be located at the priority Chinese facilities, in particular, the key military and administrative centers, which are currently protecting Russian C-300 and HQ-9 air defense systems.

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[Vladimyrych]

The stupidest idea that as a result will come out to Russia sideways.

[740]

Quote: Vladimir

The stupidest idea that as a result will come out to Russia sideways.

Well, how can I say. The Chinese are investing in the construction of industrial facilities on the territory of our country. We also have to go forward.

[kodxnumx]

I think, yes, if the Chinese S-400 disassemble the screw, it will turn out, as always, but of Chinese origin, with general features of the S-400.

[_Vladislav_]

The stupidest idea that as a result will come out to Russia sideways.

You can't just sit, lock yourself in and not sell anything to anyone, so all markets will float away, and then you will ask what India is buying in the West.

The idea is correct, it is necessary to master the international arms markets, and then conclude contracts for maintenance (repair), the supply of components and ammunition. And to make big money on it (as for example states do).

In addition, the delivery of the S-400 to China is a psychological factor for other international participants. If China has an S-400, then they will need to have air defense no worse. This creates demand for products, making them popular.

Actually, the whole point of the arms market is to loop around the supply of various types of weapons, form the domestic standards of weapons from other countries (thereby making them dependent on supplies for your products). And this is maintenance, repair, supply of ammunition, training, and, of course, the expectation by the buyer of new modifications with a view to their further acquisition.
And this is all budget revenues.

PS
Fans of the return of the "northern territories" will not be happy with this fact. With such complexes, China is guaranteed to block the airspace from the possible aggression of Japanese and US aircraft.

[remy]

China has no technology for reproduction, and 20 years behind:
- no, powders with an energy close to ours
- no, production chains for piezo ceramics to recreate radar with phased array / AFAR
- no, the chain of production of composite materials

but what we have is more and more weight, larger size, and not the same characteristics!

Well, the SAM / PRO S-500 is on the way already! we will receive up to 2 regiments a year at the acceleration stage!

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: remy

Well, the SAM / PRO S-500 is on the way already! we will receive up to 2 regiments a year at the acceleration stage!

Well, the S-500 is not an alternative to the S-400, but rather in addition.
It will serve as a missile defense system.

Destruction of ICBMs, hypersonic cruise missiles, aircraft and UAVs of both conventional high-altitude and hypersonic missiles with a speed of 5 M and higher, destruction of low-orbit satellites and space weapons launched from hypersonic aircraft, strike hypersonic UAVs and orbital platforms ... and etc.

That is, with the advent of the S-500, the need for the S-400 does not disappear.

[remy]

we are also increasing supplies to the troops of the S-300V4 air defense system
- SAM 9M82VM has a range of 385 km
for the Navy, the Polyment-Redut air defense system was tested
- by the way, the long-range SAM from the S-400 air defense system, and in size (caliber) is less than 9M82VM
SAM S-400 already in the presence of 10 Regiments.
- export characteristics are still at the level of "three hundred"
+ run-in interface with radar Sky and ACS Polyana D4M
- ACS Polyana: tracks 500 targets, and issues a control center for 225 to the air defense systems connected to it
- ACS Polyana: it also interfaces with an early warning radar of the Voronezh type - and this is a missile defense system!

[tilovaykrisa]

There are those to whom the price is more important, the same India, for example, often chooses the price.

[shtanko.49]

While they will make an analogue, they will already be C 500, and the region needs money, we can’t stand still and this is our business.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: kod3001

I think, yes, if the Chinese S-400 disassemble the screw, it will turn out, as always, but of Chinese origin, with general features of the S-400.

They will disassemble. Don `t doubt. But the sense of zero is true.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Geisenberg

But zero sense is true.

They learn, and quickly. 10 years ago, Lenovo was considered mediocre consumer goods, but now? And the pace of development is not only in the defense industry.

[Xergey]

Ingvar partially agree, as well as Chinese cars, a good wrapper, and inside half of Japanese or Korean, only 10-15 years ago.

[Private IITR]

If they sell, then it’s out of date. There are no fools in the Ministry

[Don]

Quote: Private OITR

If they sell, then it’s out of date. There are no fools in the Ministry

It can become obsolete only in relation to another air defense system. Which air defense system has recently been designed?

[Smith713]

Kaby then did not have to look for ways to deal with their own complexes.

[Stone]

I think the "methods of struggle" are already included in the export version.

[Mera joota]

Quote: 740

The Chinese are investing in the construction of industrial facilities in our country.

Very interesting, can you list which ones?

[740]

Quote: Mera Joota

Quote: 740

The Chinese are investing in the construction of industrial facilities in our country.

Very interesting, can you list which ones?

http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные российские проекты.Read at your leisure.
Enjoy your meal.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 740

http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные российские проекты

And? Which ones are Chinese?

[740]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: 740

http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные российские проекты

And? Which ones are Chinese?

Do not be lazy to go to the links.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 740

Do not be lazy to go to the links.

Like until the evening is full?

[740]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: 740

Do not be lazy to go to the links.

Like until the evening is full?

Laying hens will wait

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 740

Laying hens will wait

Do not peck eggs unattended. They are seemingly harmless, but if someone gets sick, weaken, they will finish off and eat. This is in all seriousness.

[Mera joota]

Quote: 740

Read at your leisure. Bon appetit.

Thank. I read it. From hundreds of projects that are presented, I found:
1. Glass production plant in Kaluga,
2. GOK in Tyva
this is what was done with the involvement of Chinese investors.
Planned:
1. Combined-cycle power unit in Yaroslavl
2. Asinovskiy timber industry park in the Tomsk region.
3. Great Wall car factory near Tula
4. Lifan car plant in Lipetsk
All. These are all investment projects of such a powerful economy as China.

[740]

Quote: Mera Joota

Thank. I read it.

Please. Glad you liked it, keep studying. Notice how many projects are already being implemented. This is really great. ... And then many fellow citizens shout that nothing is developing here.
Whales invest in aluminum very seriously.

[Mera joota]

Quote: 740

Pay attention to how many projects are already being implemented, this is really great

The share of Chinese capital is extremely low, it is certainly better than nothing, but with the capabilities that China has a couple of car factories, it is sad.

[740]

Quote: Mera Joota

The share of Chinese capital is extremely low, it is certainly better than nothing

But go and know that. In those areas that are very important for them, I think the investments are very serious. And so, in the whole country, of course, our state finances.

[My doctor]

Quote: 740

Well, how can I say. The Chinese are investing in the construction of industrial facilities on the territory of our country. We also have to go forward.

Minsk wanted to build a runway with the help of Chinese investments. Here's what happened

According to Anatoly Kalinin, the estimated cost of construction is about $ 300 million. "In the process of arranging the runway, perhaps we will minimize these issues. It is more profitable for us to find our own resources and implement this project at the lowest possible cost. Technologically - in terms of equipment, machines and mechanisms - we are ready ", - stated the Deputy Prime Minister. As noted by Anatoly Kalinin, the Chinese side proposed to carry out a set of works on the second runway for $ 1,2 billion. "We see our own cost estimates differently,"
http://www.belta.by/economics/view/vtoruju-vzletno-posadochnuju-polosu-natsional
nogo-aeroporta-minsk-postrojat-bez-kitajskoj-kompanii-kalin-49886-2014

although they will be more delicate with you

[Lyubimov]

Did Putin say that there are already S-500 and S-600 in development? Why not sell? Then it is not worth selling the S-300 to Syria, and the S-200 is all for scrap.

[Lyubimov]

I see no harm to Russia from the sale of the S-400, which is already fundamentally outdated, since the S-500 complexes have already been developed.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Lyubimov

and the S-400, which is already fundamentally outdated, since the S-500 complexes have already been developed.

It has not yet really entered service, but is already outdated.

[VP]

Why wouldn't he do it?
Already more than one and a half hundred launchers in the troops, by the end of the year there will be a couple of hundred, possibly more
But you are right - it is not outdated, it has been in service for only seven years and has no competitors yet

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: VP

Already more than one and a half hundred launchers in the troops,

10 regiments / 21 divisions / 168 launchers for 2015 are located:

2 divisions in 4 of the air defense missile defense and military aviation complex 606 zrp (Elektrostal) Mos. region. (In 2007, the first division was deployed, in 2009 the second division was delivered).
2 divisions in the 5th Far East Military District Air Defense Organization 210 zrp (Dubrovka) Mos. region. (deployed in 2011).
2 divisions in 5 Vocational Defense and Military High School of Air Defense 93 zrp (Funkovo) Mos. region [55], (deployed in 2012).
2 divisions in 93 air defense missile forces 589 air defense and air defense air defense units (Nakhodka) [56] (deployed in 2012).
2 divisions in 44 DPVO 183 zrp BF (Kaliningrad) [57] (deployed in 2013).
2 divisions in 51 DPVO 1537 air defense and air defense air defense units (Novorossiysk) [58] (deployed in 2013).
2 divisions in 4 defense missions 549 zrp VVKO (Kurilovo) Mos. region [59], 4th regiment in the Moscow region (deployed in 2014).
2 divisions in 1 LHE 531 zrp OSK “Sever” (Polyarny) [60] (deployed in 2014).
3 divisions in 53 DPVO 1532 zrp Pacific Fleet (Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky) [61] differs from the earlier delivered by the presence of 24 launchers (3 divisions) deployed in 2015.
2 divisions in 41 Air Defense Forces 590 Air Defense and Air Defense Forces (Novosibirsk) [62] (deployed in 2015).

[Aleksandr2012]

the cat cried all over the country (

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander2012

the cat cried all over the country (

I agree.

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander2012

the cat cried all over the country (

In general, not so little. Only when they talk about deliveries of new S-400 air defense systems do they usually forget to add that they are intended to replace the decommissioned C-300P of earlier modifications. It is also not customary to say that there are no new long-range missiles for the C-400 in the troops yet. In this system, missiles from C-300ПМ2 are still used

[Don]

Quote: Alexander2012

the cat cried all over the country (

Fine. Moreover, they will still buy. Most EU countries do not have air defense systems at all. our people are always dissatisfied with something. I remember when they just started supplying these air defense systems to the army, they complained that only one regiment was guarding Moscow. Then 4 regiments and almost all of Moscow are guarded. Now there are 10 regiments and still not enough. I am not saying that it is enough, but in 4 years of the rearmament program it is normal to form 10 regiments.

[Bongo]

Quote: Don

Fine. Moreover, they will still purchase. Most EU countries do not have SAMs at all

Here you are not quite right. The development of several models of long-range air defense systems is actively underway.

Satellite image of Google earth: air defense system deployed in Europe as of 2010 year

[Don]

Quote: Bongo

Here you are not quite right. The development of several models of long-range air defense systems is actively underway.

I read something like Norway is developing. Slovakia still had C-300PS left since the Warsaw Pact. In Germany, probably the Patriots of America are standing. On the whole, I see that in the EU they have made a bet not on air defense, but on the air force.

[Bongo]

Quote: Don

I read something like Norway is developing. Slovakia still had C-300PS left since the Warsaw Pact. In Germany, probably the Patriots of America are standing. On the whole, I see that in the EU they have made a bet not on air defense, but on the air force.

In Slovakia, an export modification of the C-300PMU is in service. In Norway, in the middle of the 90's using the AIM-120 AMRAAM, the SLAMRAAM was developed. As a whole, you are right about fighter aircraft, but they also do not forget about long-range air defense systems. For example SAMP-T and MEADS are designed and tested.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Don

but in 4 years of the rearmament program to form 10 regiments is normal.

In general, yes, but the threats are growing exponentially.
In general, we need a doctrine of the sale of the latest weapons, regulating the sale of these only to allies, or to those that do not have common borders with Russia.

[Don]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In general, we need a doctrine of the sale of the latest weapons, regulating the sale of these only to allies, or to those that do not have common borders with Russia.

So the main allies just border with the Russian Federation. Iran, for example, cannot be called an ally, but rather a partner, but I see no reason not to sell them the S-400.

[VP]

One battalion is eight launchers.
One launcher is four missiles in a salvo.
And the data seems to be from Wikipedia. And there are data for the first half of 2015.
PS no, at the beginning of September

[Don]

Quote: Lyubimov

I see no harm to Russia from the sale of the S-400, which is already fundamentally outdated, since the S-500 complexes have already been developed.

It is not outdated, but the Russian Federation already has something to replace.

[Lenivets]

Is there anyway?
I hint: in the next 5-8 years I would not count on the S-500.
(and for a dreamer rubbing in about the S-600, I would suggest having a snack)

Further, the sale to China is justified (this is just an export option, and the denyushka will allow you to increase the order for the native S-400 and finance the development of the S-500, and once again I clarify: no matter how crazy you are for any reason, but the budget of Russia not rubber and it will not be able to provide everything and in unrealistic quantities).

[Don]

Quote: Lenivets

I hint: in the next 5-8 years I would not count on the S-500.

Well, 8 years old, it seems to me you turned it down. It seems to me that no more than 5.

Quote: Lenivets

Further, the sale to China is justified (this is just an export option, and the denyushka will allow you to increase the order for the native S-400 and finance the development of the S-500, and once again I clarify: no matter how crazy you are for any reason, but the budget of Russia not rubber and it will not be able to provide everything and in unrealistic quantities).

I totally agree.

[Lenivets2]

"Well, 8 years old, it seems to me you turned it down. It seems to me that no more than 5."
You are wrong, much more than 5.
Forgive me for the new nickname, but the fagots banned me.

[Manul]

Quote: Lyubimov

Putin also said that there are already S-500 and S-600 in development ...
... S-400, which is already fundamentally outdated, for the S-500 complexes have already been developed.

And the S-600, what kind of animal is this? Can you refer to the mention of this system (maybe not even Putin)?
PS Found on the net like a joke

But it becomes clear why the troops do not receive the S-400 complex:
- And what for it is old stuff if there is an S-500.
- And why does the s-500 not arrive?
- Yes, nafig, if the S-600 is about to be.
“Will the S-600 come in?”
- Yes nafig, we plan to supply S-700 immediately. Moreover, in the modification of the S-800, brought to the level of the S-900 ...

The S-500 is not an upgrade to the S-400, it is a new development. It has already been written that their tasks are different. But we look forward to it!

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Lyubimov

Putin said that already there is a C-500 and C-600 in development?

He said a lot of things Let's Putin will not drag in order to srach not to breed?

Quote: Lyubimov

Then Syria's C-300 should not be sold, and C-200 should not be sold for scrap.

Of course everything is for scrap! And our C-300PS released in the middle of 80-x early 90-s, too ...

[vovanpain]

Quote: Vladimir

The stupidest idea that as a result will come out to Russia sideways.

Wait a minute, local experts will come and begin to prove that money is in advance here and now, but we will wait anyway, like we have nowhere to go.

[Kostyar]

Rosoboronexport: C-400 will be delivered to China on time

From the point of view of a patriot, I am against! But given the fact that China is unarmed in front of America, I support this strategy, not without a shadow of doubt, of course ....., again, after all, they will sort it out by cogs .....?! As the youth says, we will see !!!

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Bone

But given that China is unarmed in front of America

You are wrong The PRC ranks second after the Russian Federation in terms of the number of air defense missile systems. A land army in combat capability and strength probably at the first.

[adept666]

again, after all, they will take apart the screws.

Dismantled the S-300 and what happened in the end? - an article that nobody needs, even the Chinese themselves? Secondly, the S-400 is for the most part a new harness for the old S-300 Favorit missiles (new radars, data transmission systems, control systems and a new electronic base). About the fact that new missiles will also be supplied (specifically for the S-400 made) have not yet been heard, because as far as I know, we ourselves are not fat with this. And our old ones from Favorite are for friends from the Middle Kingdom novye with the characteristics to which they should saw and saw on their own, but for us the passed stage. In addition, export systems differ from those for which they are doing things for the worse.

[KGB WATCH YOU]

S-400 defensive weapon. Are we going to attack China?

In general, I am skeptical about the sale of modern developments in China, but not in this case.

[Dembel77]

I am for! Arms trade is an extremely profitable business and is in second place in the world ranking after trade in energy resources. Well, about the observance of state secrets and secrets, so there are people up there in the know!

[Afinogen]

Quote: KGB WATCH YOU

S-400 defensive weapon. Are we going to attack China?

And if China attacks Russia and deploy complexes against our aircraft on our territory? I am against the sale of the latest weapons.

[Lyubimov]

And how do you imagine it, dear Afinogen? Attack a nuclear superpower, and try to manage to deploy defensive complexes in time? In your opinion, Xi Jinping is a clinical idiot? In your opinion, the Chinese Ministry of Defense is a complete id. Iota? Even the Ukrainians, in my opinion, are not capable of this, although it will become of them. Or did you replay the computer strategy? And the S-400 is no longer the latest weapon.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Lyubimov

In your opinion, Xi Jinping is a clinical idiot?

In the western regions of Russia, they constantly think that China should attack Russia. Millions of Chinese have settled in the Far East and so on.
I don't know where they get it all from, but they don't grow wiser from year to year.

[ARS56]

How "where do they get it"? In the manuals distributed by the State Department through NGOs, it is clearly written that one of the main tasks of American patriots in Russia is to prevent the allied sentiments of Russia and China.
Divide and rule is the main principle of the Anglo-Saxons.

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In the western regions of Russia, they constantly think that China should attack Russia. Millions of Chinese have settled in the Far East and so on.

This is stupid of course, but it is not worth idealizing the Chinese. Most of their DF-21 infantry fighting vehicles are located in the north of the PRC, as are the most combat-ready ground units. Along the borders with the Russian Federation in the Far East, radio-technical reconnaissance aircraft created on the basis of our Tu-154 regularly fly.

[Afinogen]

Quote: Lyubimov

And how do you imagine this dear Athenogen?

You can imagine anything, it all depends on the abilities But there are facts, and facts are stubborn things.

[Lyubimov]

I wonder why, then, Russia is the second exporter of weapons in the world, after the United States, why have magnificent Chinese cheap clones not flooded the entire arms market? For less yellow press read

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Lyubimov

And how do you imagine this dear Athenogen? Attack a nuclear superpower, and try to have time to deploy defensive complexes

So do you assume China’s war with the USA, but not with Russia?

[Karlovar]

From history: wars between neighbors in Eurasia led to the weakening of these and the strengthening of first Great Britain, then the United States ... There are a lot of examples, such as: two world wars, Russian-Turkish, Russian-Persian, the war with Napoleonic France, Sweden of Charles 12 , with Rzeczpospolita, Great Lithuania, Russian-Prussian wars, etc ...

[Karlovar]

Mattresses for North Korea, which has a raw vigorous loaf, do not run the risk of attack ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Karlovar

Mattresses for North Korea, which has a raw vigorous loaf, do not run the risk of attack ...

The meaning of war is a carrot for the winner. and what will the United States gain by pulling the DPRK? No resources, no territories. In case of victory in the Far East, China will receive huge, sparsely populated territories with a lot of resources.
P.S. Tell me, why did the USSR, having nuclear weapons, nevertheless contain a huge group of troops on the border with China? Moreover. that the PLA was many times weaker. Were there fools in the General Staff of the USSR?

[Karlovar]

China will acquire the resources of Russia with a radioactive background incompatible with life ??? Moreover, the same radioactive background will be in China itself !!! And what is the benefit ???? Is it worth the candle ??? Will you go to work at a uranium mine for 5000 thalers per month ??? If you consider that then you have to spend 20000 talers per month on medicines ...

[KGB WATCH YOU]

If they attack us, either there is nothing left and there will be no one to deploy (nuclear strikes), or the complexes will be inoperative (because they were made in the Russian Federation, and I hope that a possible option has been provided).

[Karlovar]

Nobody pays attention to the regularity - the Americans sell their weapons to their allies and are absolutely not worried that someday the allies will direct these weapons against them !!! Moreover, when the Turks wanted to buy Chinese air defense systems, how much stench from the State Department was, in the end they forced Turks refuse the deal!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Athenogen

And if China attacks Russia

Dream, dream, dream is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream. But remember the saying, Fools live a dream

[Afinogen]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Dreaming, dreaming, dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream.

Well what are you talking about. Is it possible to dream that the adversary would attack our Motherland ????? A normal person in their right mind and sober memory does not want this.

[Vita vko]

Russia has the most powerful scientific and technical potential in the world. Therefore, it is possible to trade with our friends and allies in the SCO ready-made technologies as part of the offset policy. This will significantly increase the level of R&D funding. Besides, it is high time for us to take the initiative in creating a unified continental missile defense system for the SCO and BRICS countries. Otherwise, when the United States hangs its European missile defense umbrella over Europe, the temptation to strike from under the umbrella will become too great for some scumbag in the White House. The only way out would be for Russia to move the capital beyond the Urals.

[Karlovar]

I agree with everything you said! But in one thing, no: the most powerful scientific and technological potential in the world today, alas, is in the United States ...

[There are a lot of us]

Do you think that Russia can do without allies?

[Vladimyrych]

Rossi has only two allies: its Army and Navy.
Alexander |||

[740]

Quote: Vladimir

Rossi has only two allies: its Army and Navy.
Alexander |||

Aha, good morning, comrade. We live in the 21st century.
Russia has three allies: the Army, the Navy, the Air Force. Valera Krasmash.
And Alexander 3 is no longer relevant with his vision.

[Karlovar]

Today, this is not entirely relevant ... The army and the navy are needed to the extent of development to ward off the likelihood of military aggression. Non-traditional types of war come to the fore: trade, financial, stock exchange, sanctions, information, pipeline, terrorist
iic, sabotage, semantic, cybernetic, hot local ..., I think there are still a lot of varieties .... In these realities, without alliances and alliances, you cannot survive ... especially since the opponent is a collective-western alliance. ..

[Karlovar]

The whole history of wars - the history of alliances and alliances ...

[user]

The stupidest idea that as a result will come out to Russia sideways.

Who, apart from the S-400 designers, knows better how to bypass or neutralize this system in an hour X? Remember how they dealt with the Iraqi air defense at the time.

[Bongo]

Quote: user

Remember how they dealt with the air defense of Iraq at the time.

And which modern were anti-aircraft systems in Iraq?

[tilovaykrisa]

I agree with you 100%, it’s not even a military threat, but rather, as always, they will copy the podshevka of the same India or sell it to someone else, squeezing us out of the market, let them buy c300 if they want.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Vladimir

The stupidest idea that as a result will come out to Russia sideways.

The most stupid idea is not to sell weapons and wait for the manna from heaven.

[rubidium]

Quote: Vladimir

The stupidest idea that as a result will come out to Russia sideways.

Did you say anything other than chauvinism and sitting on treason when you wrote this?

[avvg]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend! Russia and China have the same sphere of interests in geopolitics.

[Igor39]

And the RF Armed Forces will deliver on time interesting?

[Lyubimov]

Moscow is already being covered, do not worry

[Denis 60 rus]

and not everyone in Moscow lives. The rest also want such systems to cover those regions where they live.

[Lyubimov]

Do you think with your head when you write this? If suddenly some regions of Russia have to be protected with the help of S-400 complexes, this means exactly one thing - the beginning of a large-scale nuclear war. What is needed will be covered, and first of all, these are military facilities. The rest - as luck would have it. It is very scary if, if you live in the taiga away from military and large infrastructure facilities, they will not bomb there, at least immediately.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Lyubimov

In general, do you think when you write such a head? If suddenly some regions of Russia will have to be defended with the help of С-400 complexes - this means exactly one thing - the beginning of a large-scale nuclear war.

If you talk like that, then it turns out that air defense weapons are not needed at all?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: zyablik.olga

If you talk like that, then it turns out that air defense weapons are not needed at all?

Why is this so? Normally everything is written there, maybe a little lopsided, but the essence is correct.

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Hi Seryoga

Thank! I'm here already!
I agree with Olga. Without air defense it is impossible. Unfortunately, not everything is great in this area, at least not as high-ranking officials and military speak about this in the media. Advances to the better have recently appeared, but there is still a lot of work. More than 20 years before this anti-aircraft defense only destroyed.

[Lyubimov]

Where did you see what I am writing that air defense systems are not needed? I write that the S-400 air defense systems, which are no longer the latest, can be sold to their strategic allies. And since the Ministry of Defense has decided that they can be sold, it means that it is already known that Russia itself is completely covered for the near future. And what does it mean to sell an almost latest system? This means that it is very expensive to sell, several times more expensive than in a couple of years, when some analogues appear (plus / minus in terms of possibilities). That is, this is an extremely profitable transaction, in every sense (money, level of trust as a bonus), but on the condition that there is something better in stock. Considering that there is an S-500, the S-600 has been developed and is probably already being designed, why not sell it?
But if a nuclear war starts, then whether China will have a couple of regiments of these complexes or not - it does not matter.

[Bongo]

Quote: Lyubimov

Where did you see me writing that air defense systems are not needed?

Rude is not worth it, especially a girl!

Quote: Lyubimov

If suddenly some regions of Russia have to be protected with the help of C-400 complexes, this means exactly one thing - the beginning of a large-scale nuclear war.

Isn't that what you wrote?
Especially for people like you some time ago I made a publication:The current state of the Russian air defense system
http://topwar.ru/70364-sovremennoe-sostoyanie-sistemy-pvo-rossii.html
Since he got tired of constantly proving the obvious things. However, there is a typo, of course - 20 regiments of S-400 air defense systems, and not divisions.

[Kostyar]

Moscow is already being covered, do not worry

Immediately you can see, na-a-real ma-a-askvich ...., I'm from Siberia, for example .....?!

[Lyubimov]

I am from Kazakhstan, I live near a plant for the production of uranium pellets for nuclear power plants and probably something even more interesting, and there is also a strategic hydroelectric power station nearby. In general, the goal is such a fat one. And I do not whine that there is no S-400. For if it is necessary to defend something on our territory with the help of the S-400, it is a 100% nuclear war, with all the charms. Plus, it is not fools who build the S-400, it is not fools who manage sales and other matters. No damn couch troops doubt it. Turn your friends on, look at the performance characteristics of the S-400 and what it is for, I think you will immediately understand why it can be sold and probably really needs China, protection is a pancake from common Western "friends".
But Yars and poplars are not sold to China, probably there are reasons.

[rpek32]

Quote: Lyubimov

Moscow is already being covered, do not worry

besides Moscow there is still a city

[740]

Quote: rpek32

Quote: Lyubimov

Moscow is already being covered, do not worry

besides Moscow there is still a city

Wait, tea is not the capital.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: rpek32

besides Moscow there is still a city

It depends on which side you look at, Dear namesake, if from the side of Moscow, then only Peter, for obvious reasons.

[Karlovar]

The boxer in the ring with gloves covers what ??? Skipped in the jaw-strong liver will not help already ...

[vovanpain]

Quote: Lyubimov

Moscow is already being covered, do not worry

Moscow in Russia is like a separate state.

[Lyubimov]

Washington in America, as it were, is also not an ordinary ordinary town, there, too, the rules are not quite like everywhere else. Naturally, the capital, which controls 1/6 of the planet's territory, will live slightly according to different laws. Otherwise it will not work.

[vovanpain]

We do not need Washington, and it is not a decree of Russia.

[Lyubimov]

I gave you an example of how the largest power in the world works at the moment. In other countries, the situation is exactly the same. With the existing architecture of people's thinking, it will not work otherwise. Human society, it is strictly hierarchical, whoever is at the head of the hierarchy has different laws than the rank and file. So everywhere, from wild tribes to developed communities of people.

[vovanpain]

I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft what would you poke me, and secondly, it’s completely violet to me how Washington and all of America are put together.

[Lyubimov]

Sorry for the "you" habit. Violet is not violet, but: experience comes - either when you do something yourself and step on a rake yourself, or when you do something, you look at others and see where you can step on a rake and where you can't. What do you think is best? Should someone's experience be taken into account or not?

[vovanpain]

Quote: Lyubimov

Sorry for the "you" habit. Violet is not violet, but: experience comes - either when you do something yourself and step on a rake yourself, or when you do something, you look at others and see where you can step on a rake and where you can't. What do you think is best? Should someone's experience be taken into account or not?

Here you are right, an intelligent person learns from other people's mistakes, not smart from his own, but I'm sorry, of course, but Washington is not a pointer to us what to do and what not to do, we will figure it out without his help, China is a difficult question, China our strategic ally and partner, but you always need to keep your eyes open with him, especially since the S-500 is still in the development stage, and not in a series, and I hear about the S-600 for the first time, although I may be wrong, I need to rummage in the internet will be.

[Bongo]

Quote: Lyubimov

I gave you an example of how the largest power in the world at the moment works.

Want to compare how covered by air strikes Washington and Moscow?

[Karlovar]

Even in Luxembourg and Switzerland it is! And always and everywhere it will be! Why did people think that the human hive was built differently than the bee hive ... Mother Nature (not a fool, presumably) in the case of bees chose the best option for the survival of the species! The wolves there, lions, deer, rats, cockroaches, everyone is shorter, the same situation ...

[rpek32]

Quote: Lyubimov

Washington in America,

Now let's be up to Washington? No thanks.

[Lyubimov]

Two questions: Where did you see in my text calls to align with Washington? And who even asks us where to be equal?

[vovanpain]

Quote: rpek32

Quote: Lyubimov

Washington in America,

Now let's be up to Washington? No thanks.

At first, the perestroika was equal, it was enough already.

[Bronik]

Chinese S-400s will be replicated and sold around the world. Do we need this?

[Lyubimov]

Well, a lot of Chinese fighters converted from the Russian world sell?

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Lyubimov

Well, a lot of Chinese fighters converted from the Russian world sell?

It is enough that they build them without a license.

[Lyubimov]

Where does the information come from?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Lyubimov

Where does the information come from?

INFA in the public domain. The Shenyang J-11 (Su-27) was assembled first under a license, since 2004. do it yourself.

[Lenivets]

And the engines themselves?
And the performance characteristics correspond to the SU-27?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Lenivets

And the engines themselves?

TXT are inferior, but the very fact of copying is obvious.

[Aksakal_07]

It is unlikely that the Chinese "copies" of the S-400 will be able to compete with Russian products. Even a low selling price will not make them attractive to potential buyers. It's about the security of the buying country.
By the way, the Chinese versions of the Kalashnikov also turned out to be uncompetitive in comparison with the Russian-made assault rifles.

[KGB WATCH YOU]

Will not. As the Chinese S-300 is not quoted. In general, systems with such characteristics are not very often acquired, because it is expensive and not always the country's territory corresponds to an air defense complex of this class

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: KGB WATCH YOU

How Chinese C-300 is not listed

The Chinese HQ-9 are currently a serious competitor for our air defense systems. For example, this Chinese air defense system won a Turkish tender, the results of which were canceled under US pressure. Then the Patriot was imposed on Turkey.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: bronik

Chinese S-400s will be replicated and sold around the world. Do we need this?

Even so, then China has a lot of time for this. The 500 should arrive in time, well, if you think

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

With 500 I have to come in time, well, if it’s your way

Alexander, many people are very mistaken in considering the S-500 air defense system precisely anti-aircraft system. Priority tasks of C-500 should be missile defense and objects in near space, although it will probably be possible to work on aerodynamic goals. To combat air targets in the long run, C-400 and the cheaper and simpler C-350 are being developed, which should replace the aging and worn-out C-300PS.

[Lenivets]

Wait!
At least one professional and competent comment.
It’s even wonderful.
Indeed: the S-500 is not a competitor to the S-400, and the S-300 will go to replace the S-350P ...

[Denis 60 rus]

I want to believe that "if something", then they can be turned off.

[Armored optimist]

How much has been said - bookmarks, guys, do not forget to put on time. Yes, those that they themselves will replicate.

[Vladimirets]

are currently being protected by the Russian S-300 and HQ-9 air defense systems.

Waiting for a new product: HQ-10.

[Karlovar]

They have had HQ-10 for a long time, this is the licensed copy of S-300 (I don’t remember which modification) ...

[Lenivets]

"licensed copy of the S-300 "

[sa-zz]

It would be necessary to come up with a button just in case - disconnecting. Although, what am I talking about? Too French.
A button that accepts our planes as "theirs".

[Lyubimov]

Why is there such a button in the defense complex? In case Russian fighters start bombing China?

[McLuha-MacLeod]

Che you tryndit: they will copy, they will not copy. Have you read the text of the contract? Now we have cool lawyers in the Moscow Region, not like in the USSR

[combat66]

This contract is a paper that the Chinese comrades can use for their intended purpose. China has always proceeded from the principles of "sufficiency and necessity". If the Chinese comrades find it expedient to make copies, they will. In this case, the contract can be considered only as a regulator of payments and a warranty card!

[Corsair0304]

If they use paper for their intended purpose, they use another ... and then what, will the Patriots buy?
Time will tell whether or not to copy. Surely in the Moscow Region this case was also sucked more than once.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: McLooka-MacLeod

Now we have cool lawyers in the Moscow Region, not like in the USSR

The time of the furniture makers is over, is it time for the lawyers? And when will the time of the statists come?

[BLOND]

... in real life, People have very few real friends,
but there are always comrades, colleagues, employees ... with whom we maintain friendly relations ... Sometimes we have to share something (ideally it is mutually beneficial)

[Enjoy]

Friends, in the 90s the USA with the help of either Ukraine or Belarus acquired the S-300. And they could not create anything on its basis. Because, firstly, documentation is needed, secondly, the engineers who did this, and thirdly, the production that was created for this product. So, over the life of the S-400, the Chinese will not create an opponent for him, maximum, something similar in appearance and passport.

And whoever saves on their safety, they buy Chinese anyway, such as Ecuador. The clowns saved on air defense, and then all of their several Chinese radars went down.

[3 Gorynych]

I will support the opinion that during the collapse of the USSR, how many secrets were sold! Well, as correctly noted, as in a joke - it turns out not a rocket, but a tractor!

[BOB044]

Sell ​​means right. Russia will not be worse for us. Science is not in place, and then selling when it becomes obsolete is not profitable.

[Corsair0304]

I think that the Chinese will not disassemble the S-400 to make their copy.
firstly, most likely it will be spelled out in the contract (there are no fools, but to track the presence of a rocket is easier than the presence of a fighter)
secondly, our people will probably stick something from playful pens there for a friend he is a friend, but we did not forget Damansky ...

PS all that is to the detriment of mattresses is to our advantage, and to support a potential ally is why not.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Corsair0304

but Damansky we have not forgotten ...

The meaning of recalling it? Now he is Chinese.

[Karlovar]

An ally is valuable when he is strong ... A weak ally is a weight on his neck (crossing) ....

[Old26]

Quote: Private OITR

If they sell, then it’s out of date. There are no fools in the Ministry

Of course it's outdated, how could it be otherwise ... Their own people were not yet saturated with this "outdated" complex to replace the "very outdated" S-300. Let's forget that we were selling to others not the newest weapons or with deteriorated performance characteristics (version "E"). Now it doesn't work anymore. The buyer wants not a deteriorated version, and by no means 15-20 years after being put into service with the buyer. The market is saturated with weapons, although to be honest, another country will not sell anything like that until the end.

Quote: Enjoy

Friends, in the 90s the USA with the help of either Ukraine or Belarus acquired the S-300. And could not create anything on its basis

But they did not set themselves such a goal. The goal was to study the complex, mainly its hardware and find means of counteraction.

[Samarin]

Quote: Lyubimov

And how do you imagine this dear Athenogen? Attack a nuclear superpower, and try to manage to deploy defensive complexes in time?

the Chinese are the same!

[Zaurbek]

Colleagues, in this matter you need to work like Americans, while the model came out and started to work, offer the next one (like with an iPhone). The Chinese will copy iron, you can be sure of that, the main thing is to keep the "brains" of the s-400 under control so that in the event of a conflict with us, the s-400 will not work against us. It is very difficult to copy brains and logic, and while they do this, the S-500 or S-400M will be on the way. You can also do so that individual parts of the complex cannot be replaced with Chinese ones (radar, etc.), so that it is difficult to modernize the device on your own.

[Aleksandr21]

I do not support this decision. If the S-400 falls into the hands of China, then you can meet a new version of the HQ-10 which will be pushed by everyone on the arms market, the Chinese have already begun to squeeze us out of the air defense system market and buyers often prefer the HQ-9 over the S-300 (the latter modifications) and here the characteristics do not play a special role, the economy is ruled in the world and the second / first economy of the world can offer a lot of things as a bonus to any purchase, and the sales market (of any products) is already established for them, so we’ll only make worse to myself.

[Saburo]

HQ-10 is already there. This is a complete copy of the S-300PMU1, while the HQ-9 is like "completely own".

[Karlovar]

They made a new modification of the HQ-10 a long time ago, the HQ-15 is called .... HQ-16 was helped by Russian designers to construct, oh, the ... The turntable

[Karlovar]

The WZ-10 pinwheel was helped to develop them, about uhosh again, Kamov ...

[sa-ag]

Just remember the Turkish tender, where the Chinese air defense system won, because it was cheaper

[Samarin]

Quote: Private OITR

The Ministry is not fools sitting

Are you sure about this? or themselves from the ministry?

[Dwarfik]

Quote: Lyubimov

I see no harm to Russia from the sale of the S-400, which is already fundamentally outdated, since the S-500 complexes have already been developed.

Fundamentally out of date? Then the question is, and in relation to what? At the top of world air defenses it is he. Rather, I agree with my Colleagues that new complexes are on the way, and on this you can earn extra money. But copy-paste is not worth fearing, since there are probably technologies from copying this time, and two - the Chinese will not make an analogue in such jewelry technology, only in appearance.

[Lyubimov]

on top of the s-500

[mamont5]

Quote: Vladimir

The stupidest idea that as a result will come out to Russia sideways.

There it is. You to me, I to you. Politics. It is good that China is at least guided by its interests, and not by someone else’s uncle.

[Zomanus]

As it is correctly written here, an attack on an object,
protected C-400, means the automatic beginning of the war.
So these complexes are more likely to gain time for the evacuation of personnel,
rather than for serious hostilities.
And then, that we are afraid of the meaning of China,
when the world war is almost on the verge.
And there China will not be our enemy at all.
And by the way, what about C-300 / 400 for Iran?
Somehow the topic suddenly died ...

[Karlovar]

The war is already in full swing, and not from last year !!! Many simply have not yet caught up ....

[75 hammer]

I have already written on this topic, but I will repeat once again: simple disassembly and copying of complex high-tech complexes will not allow obtaining a sample with the same characteristics. Only the transfer with complexes of all design documentation with "chips" of assembly technology will allow you to create something like that! And such a transfer is called a licensed assembly, under the final quality control of the developer! And I will open a huge secret - products for air defense (various) always have two options - export and for internal use! Stop driving the wave, please, and finally understand that China's support allows us to postpone Russia's attack from the West. And lastly, it's better if our complexes fight than our people!

[Old26]

Quote: Vita VKO

In addition, it is high time to take the initiative in creating a unified continental missile defense system for the SCO and BRICS countries.

It would be interesting to see how you can cover everyone at the same time. And Brazil, and South Africa, and Pakistan with India ... In addition, the SCO and the BRICS are still not military alliances, so here everyone is for himself, a maximum in the framework of bilateral relations

[GraveBezKresta]

Lived! More than 40 million Ukrainians (Russians, for there are no Ukrainians as a nation) are our worst enemies. And one billion narrow-eyed Asians, who for 5 thousand years became famous for unheard of cruelty and slaughtered entire nations are now our best friends and brothers. Who openly say that the "northern lands" (Siberia and the Far East) are primordially Chinese territories. It would be better if Serdyukov would be sold to them with Vasilyeva, or even better given for the development of the Chinese army. That would be happiness for the Chinese!

[Zaurbek]

HQ-10 is already there, I agree. He looks like he is driving, shooting up. Why, then, is China using S-300PMU for the defense of critical facilities? Because you can’t copy control systems and mathematics, you need to do it yourself, and this is 50% of the complex. And China does not have experience in countering modern aviation. He was with the USSR, USA and Israel. these countries and trendsetters in air defense systems, each with its own specifics.

[Bongo]

Quote: Zaurbek

HQ-10 is already there, I agree. He looks like he is driving, shooting up. Why then is China using C-300PMU to defend critical facilities?

You are not right They use both Russian and their systems.

[The Chat]

And by the way, what about C-300 / 400 for Iran?
Somehow the topic suddenly died ...

But among all these questions
There was one squiggle of squiggles
And when this question got into Willy
Mop fell from Willy's hands ... (Mayakovsky)

So here is a simple question: Why Iran legal The S-300 was not sold to the contract, and still some inarticulate fluctuations? ...
Despite the fact that Iran is formally our ally in Syria and it is really threatened by Israel, the United States and other NATO ...
Maybe the clever Chinese presented envelopes with the best wishes to the next Stooretkin.
For ten years I've been circulating to the Celestial Empire and back. The morals there are very interesting. If for the good of the Great Middle Empire, then everything is possible (both gifts and bribes and girls and whatever), and at the same time, inside the country they are fighting mercilessly with such disgrace, up to the highest measure of proletarian Chinese protection of national interests (and without looking at the ranks and regalia, and even on the contrary, for example, for the same bribe, a petty official will receive several years in prison, and a major figure like our Serdo-Vasily will receive a bullet in the forehead - "so as not to set a bad example")

[Aleksandr2012]

If you open a Chinese school textbook and see there stories that Siberia is a primordially Chinese territory occupied by the Russians, and then turn on the Chinese TV channel, where loud bravura speeches are heard that the Chinese army is ready to perform a 3000 km march at any moment, then the attitude towards China will change dramatically.

[The Chat]

In pursuit of this:
In China, we went to see the caves in Guilin, in front of the cave there is a huge map of the world made of colored stones. Different countries - different colored stones. Huge China from red pebbles.
My friend and I rushed to search for Russia, we cannot find the Paradox in any way, by habit we are looking for somewhere above China.
Then, with difficulty, we find in Europe a small principality from the Urals and to other small European states. Everything else, to the Arctic Ocean - The Great Mid-State of China ....

[GraveBezKresta]

Quote: Alexander2012

If you open a Chinese school textbook and see there stories that Siberia is a primordially Chinese territory occupied by the Russians, and then turn on the Chinese TV channel, where loud bravura speeches are heard that the Chinese army is ready to perform a 3000 km march at any moment, then the attitude towards China will change dramatically.

You hit the bull's eye! China is openly talking about a war with Russia, and national traitors in the Kremlin are tending to us that it is a strategic ally. The Chinese Internet is full of reports of the impending war with Russia. Here are the quotes:
Beginning of the article:
"中国 是 一个 没有 统一 的 大 国 ， 这 是 华夏 民族 的 耻辱 ， 是

[Karlovar]

What is opium for the people ???

[shurik-063]

Many write that the Chinese will take apart a cog. The mechanics can be completely copied, but all the electronics are divided into separate modules (not collapsible). When trying to disassemble, the module becomes unusable. And the characteristics will not be able to remove. Until they create something like this themselves, the installation will become obsolete.

[vladimirw]

Copy and sell again

[Zaurbek]

Quote: shurik-063

Many write that the Chinese will take apart a cog. The mechanics can be completely copied, but all the electronics are divided into separate modules (not collapsible). When trying to disassemble, the module becomes unusable. And the characteristics will not be able to remove. Until they create something like this themselves, the installation will become obsolete.

I'm talking about this. Better yet, that the Patriot would depend on our companions.

[gammipapa]

It is possible to sell it, but it is imperative to bookmark self-liquidation, in case it turns against us. Technically, it’s not so difficult, the main thing is to guess.