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NATO, goodbye!

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Military commanders, workers in NATO, as well as those who previously worked there, and experts who have worked for a term in the State Department, declare the near demise of the North Atlantic Alliance. The Russians will "kill" NATO. Now they are testing airplanes, ships, building military bases everywhere, and this is a “great challenge” that the West has nothing to answer. The fact is that the peoples of other Western countries do not want to quarrel with the Russians, but to be friends.




NATO’s "beginning of the end" was written by Charles Hoskinson in "Washington Examiner".

Russian President Vladimir Putin has managed to make the Obama administration’s idea of ​​a “reset” of US-Russia relations become a “wedge” that, according to military experts, the Russian president drives between NATO member countries.

It's no secret that Russia, “by annexing Crimea to Ukraine in March 2014 of the year,” increased pressure on NATO, and especially on the Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania), which were formerly parts of the Soviet Union. The leaders of the alliance hurried to find ways to resist the new, "more aggressive position of the Kremlin" and reassure the members of the alliance regarding their security.

However, current and former officials, and with them some experts from Russia, warn that Putin’s actions are aimed at splitting the Alliance and revising international security ties. It seems that the situation is moving wherever Russia needs it.

“We are faced with one of the top strategic tasks of the post-cold war,” said retired Marine Corps General James Jones, the former commander-in-chief of the combined NATO forces in Europe. Previously, in 2009-2010, this man served as White House National Security Adviser.

“I think,” he told the publication, “that this may be the beginning of the end of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. I think this is serious. We simply cannot sit back and allow this to happen. ”

The article says that now Russia is building a whole “steel arc” - a network of bases on the “external flanks” located in the area from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Such a strategy means confrontation with NATO states, believes Admiral Mark Ferguson, commander of the US Navy in Europe and head of the NATO Allied Command in Naples.

Russian planes sharply increased their "test" flights along the borders of NATO states. Ships, too, intensively plow water.

One of the key problems of the alliance is a convincing response to the new Russian threat. Member States must increase defense spending after two decades after the end of the Cold War.

It was not for nothing that October 12, in a speech at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly in Norway, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that the time had come to “invest in our defense.”

According to him, the concept of deterrence, even though it seems “old-fashioned,” gives the West enough strength to “prevent others from attacking.” And this last - "not at all old-fashioned." Being strong, the West can not be afraid of war. The power of NATO is required not to unleash wars, the Secretary General believes, but to “prevent” them.

There is one more “serious threat to the stability of the alliance,” according to the article by Charles Hoskinson. This “threat” is the activity of state-owned and state-sponsored global media, which conduct propaganda campaigns aimed at promoting the Kremlin's point of view. The trouble is that NATO representatives have so far failed to find the principles of an “effective response” to Kremlin propaganda. In the meantime, the “campaign of psychological warfare” has reached NATO countries. And here are the results: a survey of the Pew research center showed that the majority of respondents in France, Germany and Italy are against the idea of ​​fighting with Russia - that is, using military force to protect another NATO country.

Such public opinion, the author believes, represents a "serious threat to the principle of collective self-defense." After all, such a principle is the "cornerstone" of the alliance.

“We have to use a much more effective strategy,” said Heather Conley, a former State Department official currently working at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“This is a great challenge of our time, and we do not have an effective response to it,” said the expert.

Of the statements cited in the Washington Examiner article, the statements of Admiral Mark Ferguson, the commander of the US Navy in Europe and the head of the NATO Allied Command in Naples are of particular interest. What kind of "steel arc" did he mean?

It turns out that this "arc" is a combat-ready Russian navy, which is capable of challenging the NATO bloc.

“We see signs of the emergence of a more aggressive, more combat-ready Russian naval fleet"- quotes the admiral "Voice of America". A military official explained: “This is a naval capability that is directly intended to compensate for the obvious advantages of the fleets of the NATO countries. They give us to understand and warn that they intend to challenge our dominance at sea. ”

In addition, speaking at a meeting of the Atlantic Council, Ferguson said that the renewed army of the Russian Federation increased its potential compared to the times of the Cold War. She has the ability to respond: “The ability to respond has become a new element. We see that Russia's actions now fully include such elements as speed and strategic surprise. ” Finally, “the language that comes from the Russian military reflects the mindsets and actions characteristic of a direct challenge and confrontation with NATO”.

“The creation of a steel arc from the Arctic to the Mediterranean testifies to the new militarization of the Russian security policy,” Mr. Voice of America quotes Mr. Ferguson. “Starting from new bases in the Arctic and further in Leningrad in the Baltic Sea and Crimea in the Black Sea, Russia is installing advanced air defense systems, cruise missile systems and new platforms.” “It also increases the potential for power projection in the naval sphere. Their base in Syria now gives them such an opportunity in the eastern Mediterranean, ”the admiral noted.

According to him, the strategy of "blocking access to the sea" is directed against NATO naval forces.

He made a speech about the "threats" and another admiral.

The increased activity of the Russian fleet and "other threats" is a reason for reviewing NATO’s naval strategy, believes American admiral John Richardson, who recently headed the headquarters of the US Navy. Reports about it RIA News" with reference to The Wall Street Journal.

Mr. Richardson told senior naval officers in Venice that Russia had shown an increase in skills in controlling ships, and at the same time showed "a desire to resort to methods of military coercion."

“Their combat activity has grown to a level that we have not seen for more than ten years. The level of their training is growing, ”the admiral stated.

According to Richardson, NATO and the EU should strengthen coordination in order to "more effectively" use their naval forces. Without well-coordinated actions, neither the question of “containing Russia”, nor the migration issue will be solved effectively.

So, to add in conclusion, there is hope that the NATO bloc will split not the “threat to Russia”, but the will of the peoples of the Western countries who do not approve of the alliance’s confrontation policy with Russia. Neither the Germans, nor the French, nor the Italians, as the Pugh poll shows, do not want to fight with Russia, defending some kind of "other NATO country." Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.

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  1. Finches
    Finches 27 October 2015 06: 12 New
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    "Русские идут!"-национальная народная забава членов альянса! laughing
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    2. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 27 October 2015 06: 18 New
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      Ice is cracking in Europe.
      1. Gloomy
        Gloomy 27 October 2015 08: 16 New
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        Why are everyone afraid of Russians? We are kind. The main thing is not to anger us! wink
        1. Ded_smerch
          Ded_smerch 27 October 2015 09: 26 New
          +3
          Yes, we are good, knock out teeth with brains for good.
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 27 October 2015 10: 07 New
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            I think the likelihood of the collapse of NATO, in direct terms, does not depend on the will of the countries of Europe. It is enough to recall what NATO is. The block was founded on April 4, 1949 in the United States, "to protect Europe from Soviet influence." And this was preceded by the US occupation of Western Europe. And in the occupation territories a certain block arose.

            For this, the goal of NATO (and more precisely the USA) is, first of all, the occupation of the conquered, both in the Second World War and after the collapse of the USSR. Their presence is especially great in those countries that could potentially offer resistance (the number of US bases is two to three times the number of bases in the countries where they are located). P.E. if Europe today wants to leave NATO, it will be impossible physical.

            PS
            Thus, the collapse of NATO, as an international political process, is directly related to the military capabilities of the United States, or the reduction of such capabilities.
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 27 October 2015 10: 53 New
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              Добавлю, усилю: К власти в странах НАТО (и не толко, а и в подконТРОЛЛЬНЫХ) не может приити народноизбранныи "правитель"! Система построена так, что "выборы" выигрывает ставленник наглосаксов, которого они уже давно держат за то самое место и развивают его политвес, вкладывают в него и в его предвыборную, популистскую кампанию бабло! РАБ!
            2. KazaK Bo
              KazaK Bo 27 October 2015 13: 09 New
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              _Vladislav_
              I think the likelihood of a breakdown of NATO, into a direct one, does not depend on the will of the European countries.

              It would be very, very good ... if NATO collapsed ... but, in my opinion, it is too early to bury this military establishment ...
              What does the global hegemon need in order to maintain its dictatorship and control both the sources of strategic raw materials and the markets for their goods. The United States understands perfectly well that a nuclear war cannot be allowed ... they will be burned to ashes (like they are others, along with markets and sources of raw materials!) ... but military force is needed for just war! AND BETTER IT IS BETTER TO WAR WITH OTHER HANDS AND IN ANOTHER'S TERRITORY! And they created this power, NATO! So EUROPE, FOR THE USA, CANNON MEAT FOR SUSPENDING THE INTERESTS OF A.MEROV AT ALL POINTS OF THE WORLD! Leaving its territory without shocks and devastation ... THE USA WILL NEVER REFUSE FROM A GARMENTAL CANNON MEAT!
              And here comes the conclusion ... HOW THE EUROPEAN WOULD NOT LIKE TO RELEASE FROM NATO ... THE YANKS WILL NOT RELEASE THEM! And the desperate (from OLD EUROPE) ... fugitives from the NATO community ... WILL NOT LONG BE TORTURED IN A.MEROVSKY ... EXPERIENCED HANDS!
              1. pilot8878
                pilot8878 27 October 2015 16: 36 New
                +4
                Russians will “kill” NATO.

                Pleasant, of course, but doubtful. While European governments are dependent on the United States, NATO, unfortunately, will not go anywhere
              2. nemets
                nemets 27 October 2015 20: 54 New
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                Государства-члены должны нарастить расходы на оборону - в условиях наступающего кризиса это главная ошибка ,которую сделают эти "члены". и именно этого нам и нужно)))
            3. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 28 October 2015 09: 37 New
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              Quote: _Vladislav_
              P.E. if Europe today wants to leave NATO, it will be impossible physical.

              This is not entirely true. Technology is available - joint maneuvers are appointed with us. A contingent of a thousand people to fight terrorism. Well, in fact, the Pskanskie ones are beginning to pour in at the airdromes, in the Taman field with equipment ... The terribly stunned president of the liberated power leaves for negotiations at our location ... and from there a number of decrees and orders are issued. Thus, the Americans are faced with a choice - to reconcile or start Armageddets.
              Им и так очень кисло сейчас. Все их дела скрывались за "советской угрозой". А сейчас какая от России угроза? Самая страшная - мы хотим с Европой взаимовыгодно торговать. И не только с Европой. Не люто грабить, как США сейчас, а торговать, давая всем заработать. Что может быть ужаснее?!
          2. 222222
            222222 27 October 2015 11: 18 New
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            Ded_smerch SU Today, 09:26 ↑
            Yes, we are good, knock out teeth with brains for good.
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 29 October 2015 13: 53 New
          +2
          А Русских боятся потому, что обыватель на западе за всю свою жизнь о Русских ни разу ни слышит доброго слова. Начиная с детства по телевидению, по радио, в газетах, в учебниках принято поливать Русских грязью. Сначала они идут с войнами потом от Русских отгребают, вот и бесятся. Нет, чтобы объективно проанализировать ситуацию, проще врага назначить. К тому-же при наличии "врага" проще промытыми мозгами управлять. Пример на украине. Огромное число населения стало искренне ненавидеть Россию и Русских в частности. Хотя очень многие родились и выросли ещё в СССР, про молодёжь вообще молчу. А раньше вроде были нормальными, благоразумными людьми, вот так мозги и промывают.
        3. Klos
          Klos 29 October 2015 14: 31 New
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          Because our good is with fists. With fingers of uranium. wink
        4. silver_roman
          silver_roman 29 October 2015 17: 34 New
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          Quote: Gloomy
          Why are everyone afraid of Russians?

          nobody is afraid of us. all this is a bluff. you always need the image of the enemy to peacefully bomb unwanted countries on a far-fetched pretext.
          And here are its results: a survey of the Pew research center showed that the majority of respondents in France, Germany and Italy are against the idea of ​​fighting with Russia - that is, the use of military force to defend another NATO country.

          bloody Russians brainwashed the progressive part of the population of Europe and now this part does not want to attack the bloody Russians THIRD TIME (!!!). The cunning and treacherous Putin has built military bases on his territory and is threatening the security of NATO, which has almost reached the borders of the Russian Federation. am
          God, do not let someone like me to take the chair of the President of the Russian Federation, otherwise the entire nuclear arsenal would be discharged by these goats! Already just sick of their rot !!! If it were my will, I would take the Russian Federation, I would file it along the borders with a jigsaw, stick powerful engines around the edge and dump it from this planet! and to hell with all this ... let yourself in your wassat boil it!
      2. Yars
        Yars 27 October 2015 11: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: fiction
        Ice is cracking in Europe.


        and the reason is that their external debt is simply not real, Europe has more than 8 trillion. Euro and the United States about 18 trillion. dollars so they are cracking at the seams .....
    3. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 27 October 2015 07: 06 New
      +3
      it's time to “invest in our defense


      Gentlemen, do your contributions! Secrecy of deposits guaranteed!

      Interestingly, 200 billion cu save European democracy?)))
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 27 October 2015 07: 25 New
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        Mattresses with the help of NATO divorced the whole of Europe, embroiled it in all serious with all the consequences, and they themselves are reaping the benefits of money, we hope that this worldwide divorce will come to an end.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 27 October 2015 08: 47 New
          +6
          Russian President Vladimir Putin has managed to make sure that the Obama administration’s idea of ​​“resetting” US-Russian relations turned into a "wedge", which, according to military experts, the Russian president drives between NATO member countries.

          У нас, русских, есть такая поговорка: "Клин клином вышибают!" - В данном случае она в действии!
        2. andj61
          andj61 27 October 2015 09: 54 New
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          Quote: ZU-23
          Mattresses with the help of NATO divorced the whole of Europe, embroiled it in all serious with all the consequences, and they themselves are reaping the benefits of money, we hope that this worldwide divorce will come to an end.

          good And now, NATO, bye? crying
          Yes, crap - NATO is now more alive than all living things, and will exist in the future. The new budget is being knocked out, the elections in the states again - that’s the old scarecrow of the Soviet-Russian threat. Money - it doesn’t smell even if it’s taken out of shit.
          1. whiteeagle
            whiteeagle 27 October 2015 10: 38 New
            +6
            America 75% of the total potential of NATO. The Germans, French, Italians compared to America is a pug. Even together they have fewer tanks than Poland. The population — more and more senior citizens — the pulse of more and more Muslim immigrants — This society is not able to act as a member of NATO. They simply do not have the strength to contain Russia. On the other hand, they do not have the power to deter the United States. America will have a stronger influence in Europe thanks to an alliance with countries on NATO’s eastern flank and also with Britain, the Scandinavians.
            1. your1970
              your1970 27 October 2015 18: 41 New
              +1
              "Население-все больше и больше пенсионеров пульс больше и больше мусульманских иммигрантов-Это общество не в состоянии исполнять обязанности члена НАТО"-теоретически лет через 10 все военнослужащие в Европе будут черными,особенно в Германии
              ZY Hitler in 1945 committed suicide - my imagination is not enough to imagine what he would do with himself - if his army consisted of blacks and Arabs (50 / 50).
              Z.Z.Z. At least WWII would definitely not exist in principle ......
              Well, there was no access to Facebook in the USSR at all ....
          2. Apsit
            Apsit 27 October 2015 11: 08 New
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            Quote: andj61
            So they get the old scarecrow of the Soviet-Russian threat.

            And to whom we threaten, we are building a line of defense in our territory
            Now Russia is building a whole "steel arc" - a network of bases on the "outer flanks" located in the region from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Such a strategy has in mind the confrontation with NATO states, believes Admiral Mark Ferguson,
            or did they believe there that Russia would stand, pick its nose and watch with fear how NATO rolls to its borders?
        3. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 27 October 2015 09: 59 New
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          Big, but believe in fairy tales
        4. 222222
          222222 27 October 2015 11: 19 New
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          ZU-23 (1) RU Today, 07:25 ↑
          Mattresses with the help of NATO lit the whole of Europe,
        5. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 27 October 2015 14: 39 New
          +4
          "...Начиная с новых баз в Арктике и далее в Leningrad..."

          However, the fear of Soviet toponyms driven into the subcortex of NATO warriors is very tenacious, if they still remember. The image of the enemy is the same, regardless of the socio-political system - RUSSIAN! This is the only people who can (if they really want or bring our universal patience) to drive the countries of NATO and the USA and the Anglo-Saxon civilization into the Middle Ages, just starting to restore justice.
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      3. nemets
        nemets 27 October 2015 20: 57 New
        +3
        once a German said an alliance with Russia would allow us to control all of Europe and keep England in the backyards, but no one listened to it, except for the British (((
    4. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 27 October 2015 09: 27 New
      +2
      Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.
      I would not want this to happen late
    5. marlin1203
      marlin1203 27 October 2015 09: 52 New
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      500 млн народу в Европе, да еще в сша - 300. Их совокупный военный бюджет в разы больше нашего государственного. Чего они нас боятся? Вот и выходит, что не боятся, а легитимизируют образ врага для своего населения, чтобы потом оправдывать свою же агрессию - "ну это же Россия, она нам угрожала-угрожала и теперь мы вынуждены..." так что надо быть начеку с этими " товарищами"soldier
    6. Will
      Will 27 October 2015 12: 27 New
      +1
      Только "робот" или безумный может радоваться рабству. Русские своим существованием дают "подсказку", где все же больше свободы в зависимом от природы мире. Она в отношениях.
    7. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 27 October 2015 13: 11 New
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      Quote: Finches
      "Русские идут!"-национальная народная забава членов альянса!

      Not the Europeans have other fun. Namely, every 100 years, to get together all and get lule in Russia.
    8. Skif83
      Skif83 28 October 2015 15: 48 New
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      Being strong, the West may not be afraid of war. NATO’s power is required not to start wars, the Secretary General believes, but to “prevent” them.

      Т.е. наша "национальная забва им не по нутру, а своя - очень даже ничего...
    9. DEfindER
      DEfindER 28 October 2015 16: 23 New
      +1
      I also liked the phrase - it's time to "invest in our defense." It smacks of a banal divorce of suckers on the headstock :)
    10. Orionvit
      Orionvit 29 October 2015 14: 02 New
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      "Русские идут" народная забава не только альянса, а ещё и многих постсоветских так называемых "стран'. С подачи и проплате запада, очень модно у "парнёров" быть русофобом. Ну понятно в европе, они ни когда друзьями не были. Но эти новоявленные так называемые "демократии" думают, что они в тренде, не понимая какими горькими слезами ещё умоются.
    11. vodolaz
      vodolaz 30 October 2015 01: 09 New
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      So all that scumbag that they got into NATO entered into it only in order not to invest money in their army, they say they will support the allies, and we will be yapping for it for Russia. Even aircraft do not trust the same Baltic states.
  2. ivan48857
    ivan48857 27 October 2015 06: 13 New
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    Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries! You don’t touch us and you won’t be anything for it.
    1. vlad.svargin
      vlad.svargin 27 October 2015 07: 23 New
      +5
      ivan48857
      Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries! You don’t touch us and you won’t be anything for it.

      If in the end it comes to their consciousness, then the great tragedy of the United States will result in the inevitable collapse and collapse of NATO, and after it the collapse of North America itself. Hurry to get it!
    2. viktorrymar
      viktorrymar 27 October 2015 07: 29 New
      +3
      So, to add in conclusion, there is hope that the NATO bloc will split not the “threat to Russia”, but the will of the peoples of the Western countries who do not approve of the alliance’s confrontation policy with Russia. Neither the Germans, nor the French, nor the Italians, as the Pugh poll shows, do not want to fight with Russia, defending some kind of "other NATO country." Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.



      Great resume !!!
    3. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 27 October 2015 07: 58 New
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      Holy naivety! stop Do you think that if the 21 century has come, then on Earth everyone has become morally enlightened? fool Вот Вы, уважаемый "ivan48857", пишите:
      Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries!

      Personally, I agree with you on all 200%. yes And try to prove it immediately to the whole world! negative Maybe sometime in the future ... what
      For the sake of jokes, an example from the environment. Imagine - we are sitting quietly and posing as such a quiet and slightly sickly well, for example - a rabbit. belay Anyone running past a predator will simply consider with his bestial duty to estimate a frail-looking rabbit on its rightful tooth. And here the Darwin installations end repeat How does an honest carnivore know that the snack has a full set of teeth, claws, 7 is given in aikido and the bit is hidden behind a birch? After all, do not touch anyone? soldier But they will climb anyway. hi
      1. Gloomy
        Gloomy 27 October 2015 08: 24 New
        +3
        Yeah, guess what kind of setup laughing And perefigyachit rabbit all in the forest)
      2. Consul-t
        Consul-t 27 October 2015 08: 28 New
        +2
        I liked about a complete set of teeth, claws, aikido and a bit for a birch.
        Thank you for having fun. laughing
        In general, a point to the point!
      3. desant_doktor
        desant_doktor 27 October 2015 09: 16 New
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        Так вот, продолжая мысль. Пока кто-нибудь звездюлей от кролика не от хватит, будут пытаться, как говорил предыдущий камрад, "прикинуть на зуб". Увы, но до хищников по другому не дойдёт. Хотя.... В глубине души таится мысль, что и после этого дойдёт не до всех...
    4. 222222
      222222 27 October 2015 11: 21 New
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      ivan48857 SU Today, 06:13
      Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries! You don’t touch us and you won’t be anything for it.
      1. Ribald
        Ribald 27 October 2015 12: 14 New
        +1
        And whoever doubts our peacefulness, will wash himself with his own blood.
  3. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 October 2015 06: 20 New
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    The withdrawal of bases from Europe will be the collapse of America.
    For in this way she immediately loses control of Europe.
    So all this is no more than dreams and notions.
    In addition, Europe for America is a bastion against Russia.
    America will primarily sacrifice Europe in the war against Russia.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 27 October 2015 06: 52 New
      +5
      Rumors of NATO's death are greatly exaggerated. But, even if this happens, I guarantee a Churovsky percentage of probability that a new alliance will immediately emerge, and even more paranoid, since the first fiddle there will be played by underexposed people with unfulfilled ambitions - Poland, and Romania and the Baltic states will sing along. And God forbid they really find German gold in Silesia. With solid financial capabilities, a dwarf turned on his own greatness can do a lot, Pilsudsky in a coffin will more than once turn over from envy.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 27 October 2015 07: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: inkass_98
        With solid financial capabilities, a dwarf turned on his own greatness can do a lot

        They don’t have money !! What are the financial opportunities ??? Aw, uncle. The West is mired in debt and tolerance, leaving due to the great inertia of the system.
        1. Poppy
          Poppy 27 October 2015 09: 36 New
          +3
          they have now all the money will go to feed the migrants who have nestled with them
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 27 October 2015 06: 58 New
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      The American bases of Russia are not terrible, something else is worse: these Amer’s bases are the cement that gives the appearance of NATO power and readiness to repel any aggression, including and Russian.
      In fact, there is nothing of this, neither aggression, nor cohesion, nor determination to repel the threat - Europe has become angry, sour, and due to the lack of German revenge, it has lost the spirit of aggression, changing it to pragmatism, which supposedly contains great forces for a small bribe.
      This is a phantom: the power is really great, but who needs power without will, without purpose, without the desire to win, and without justification for its existence? Great power requires the commanders of the Great Military Leader, who knows the taste and sense of the leadership of the Force, knows the content of this force and cheers for it with his soul, for the development of the replenishment of the Force and its maintenance.
      There is none of this: everything is fragmented and has no commanders, turns into trash and can’t conduct network-centric operations and doesn’t even have precision weapons - this is what NATO is today, the worst thing is that the inhabitants of all countries gathered under a NATO umbrella DO NOT BELIEVE in the fact that NATO, even with the assistance of the United States, is not able to withstand any challenges today, even network-centric, even chaotic and partisan.
      EVERYTHING Europe was blown away ...
      1. Gloomy
        Gloomy 27 October 2015 08: 22 New
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        I agree. Well said.
      2. xBoris
        xBoris 27 October 2015 11: 36 New
        +1
        ..can this be all so. It’s only that Russia acts as a firefighter, filling in those hot spots that are successfully fueling the States. So, we do not preempt the situation, but follow the direction that the States choose for us.
        In my opinion, the main sadness is that we have too much, depends on oil too much. We cannot get rid of our raw material role. Otherwise - why the ruble is jumping like that. What pleases you ..? Now, if the stability of the economic level was like in the States, we could only rejoice. In the meantime .. it doesn’t work out.
  4. vitya1945
    vitya1945 27 October 2015 06: 23 New
    +6
    ,,Мощь нато требуется не для того что бы развязывать войны"........
    The dog is a racket, not a secretary general.
  5. strelets
    strelets 27 October 2015 06: 28 New
    +2
    It was necessary to dissolve NATO immediately after the Warsaw Pact - they would save a lot of money and save many lives. But megalomania is a stubborn thing.
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 27 October 2015 06: 28 New
    +5
    Collapse of the United States-Runet and NATO. Or vice versa...
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 27 October 2015 10: 22 New
      +1
      The only way. As long as the US hegemony does not have any will of any people there, it’s ridiculous to say, no threat, nothing will move NATO. How can the US lose hegemony? I have no idea.
  7. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 27 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +3
    With a good and strong neighbor such as Russia it is better to be friends and not to conflict. This is both about politics and the economy, these are all conditions for a peaceful life.
  8. Jarilo
    Jarilo 27 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +3
    Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.

    Better, of course, if sooner than later. We are peaceful people, but our armored train stands on a siding.
  9. Nick888
    Nick888 27 October 2015 06: 31 New
    +7
    It was not for nothing that October 12, in a speech at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly in Norway, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that the time had come to “invest in our defense.”

    Keyword - it's time to "invest in our defense"
  10. Walking
    Walking 27 October 2015 06: 32 New
    +6
    So, even during our lifetime, I want to say goodbye to NATO and drink for its demise.
  11. Wolka
    Wolka 27 October 2015 06: 34 New
    +3
    strange, but the article does not say a word about creating a single military coordination center within the EU, namely, the European military bloc within the EU, but without the Yankees, and this is precisely what the Yankees are trying to prevent more and more actively moving their missile defense system ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 October 2015 07: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Volka
      namely the European military bloc within the EU, but without the Yankees,


      А зачем им это делать, если есть Устав НАТО, которым они связаны по рукам и ногам, рассуждая: "Зачем знать географию, если ямщик (США), знает, куда надо ехать?"
  12. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 27 October 2015 06: 34 New
    +3
    Do not forget that the FSA peace treaty with Germany has not yet been signed. They can use this to cling to old Europe.
  13. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 27 October 2015 06: 40 New
    +7
    it's time to invest in our defense ..
    This explains all the nonsense about the RF threat ..!
  14. Myth
    Myth 27 October 2015 06: 45 New
    +4
    За счёт России и на обломках России,они расчитывали строить и содержать не только свои военные базы по всему миру,уничтожая и терроризируя не угодных,но и по факту содержа армии своих "болонок",которые не могут,а зачастую тупо не хотят тратить последние копейки на мощь не любимого,но всё же хозяина.Я говорил-Надо было добивать нас в 90-е,теперь готовьте вазелин.
    1. the villain
      the villain 27 October 2015 23: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Myth
      . I said, It was necessary to finish us off in the 90s, now prepare Vaseline.

      They did not deserve a vesel, they did not deserve am
  15. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 27 October 2015 06: 45 New
    +1
    increased pressure on NATO, and especially on the Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)

    Либо эти псевдостраны такие сильные что успешно противостоят "давлению", либо давления нет.
  16. Nitarius
    Nitarius 27 October 2015 06: 46 New
    +1
    NATO was not called there .. it was NECESSARY AND ONE MUST MONEY!
  17. Indifferent
    Indifferent 27 October 2015 06: 46 New
    +1
    I don’t understand how it is possible to draw strategic conclusions and write a huge article on the statements of two near-witted admirals?
    У автора наверное времени очень много и он нас решил занять своим перлом, "поколдовав" над своим пальцем.
    Среди серьезных политиков в НАТО нет даже намека на ослабление "коллективной воли".
  18. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 27 October 2015 06: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: ivan48857
    Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries! You don’t touch us and you won’t be anything for it.


    So that is the main world military contradiction - these radishes sit and baton planes (jobs!), We plan too. This needs more (unemployment, however!), Etc. Well, in the end - two men gathered to fight; one has 2 clubs, the other has 12 (jobs worked, salary received!). Whose victory will be? To dig these woodpeckers - two with STOCK is enough, and ten - in jobs.
    (Short Course of the World Economy)
  19. Senior manager
    Senior manager 27 October 2015 06: 52 New
    +2
    Nobody will collapse and fall apart in the foreseeable future, unless the shadowy authorities break the roof and decide to heal the world by war, or the authorities have a real chance to survive after a nuclear conflict.
  20. starshina pv
    starshina pv 27 October 2015 06: 54 New
    +1
    we are on our side of the globe do not touch anyone, and you do not climb to us !!!
  21. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 27 October 2015 06: 56 New
    +1
    Чтобы пришло время сказать "НАТО, до свидания!" надо сначала сказать "США, покойся в мире!" ну или оторвать Европу из-под влияния США.
  22. tommy717
    tommy717 27 October 2015 06: 58 New
    +3
    "Начиная с новых баз в Арктике и далее в Leningrad in the Baltic Sea and Crimea in the Black Sea, Russia is installing advanced air defense systems, cruise missile systems and new platforms. ”
    Вот тормоз. Где же за Русскими угнаться, если их эксперты до сих пор не "догнали", что Ленинград давно переименован в Санкт-Петербург.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 October 2015 07: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: tommy717
      Starting with new bases in the Arctic and further in Leningrad in the Baltic Sea and Crimea in the Black Sea, Russia is installing advanced air defense systems, cruise missile systems and new platforms. ”

      А что вы хотели? Смотрите! знаменитая русская картина "Не ждали!"
    2. Gloomy
      Gloomy 27 October 2015 08: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: tommy717
      "Начиная с новых баз в Арктике и далее в Leningrad in the Baltic Sea and Crimea in the Black Sea, Russia is installing advanced air defense systems, cruise missile systems and new platforms. ”
      Вот тормоз. Где же за Русскими угнаться, если их эксперты до сих пор не "догнали", что Ленинград давно переименован в Санкт-Петербург.


      How is St. Petersburg? what When did you manage? laughing
    3. Wasiliy1985
      Wasiliy1985 27 October 2015 20: 43 New
      +1
      Все таки: "Ленинград"?! А почему не "Санкт-Петербург"?
      Все таки символом стойкости остался "Ленинград"?
      Который "в народе" все равно именуют "Питер"..

      Да пофиг на разрыв шаблона западного "балабона".
      Most importantly, we know which city we are talking about !!
  23. Rav075
    Rav075 27 October 2015 06: 59 New
    0
    Threats, threats !!! When do you break up ???
  24. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 27 October 2015 07: 00 New
    +1
    It seems to me that false nagging to increase further expenses.
  25. slizhov
    slizhov 27 October 2015 07: 01 New
    +1
    NATO has exhausted itself.
    The US needs to think about how to protect itself from external threats, which Russia is also doing. One must not be smart to consider that in a dream Russia sees itself as the mistress of the Planet. Everything created is a response to the claims of the Cherchels, Thatchers and everyone else in their desires to divide our country into parts and increase the group of vassals ...
  26. dog1965
    dog1965 27 October 2015 07: 03 New
    +2
    В 17-м веке строили засечную линию. В 30-х годах строили "линию Сталина". Сейчас вот создали "Стальную дугу". Историю что ли поучить господам из Вашингтона. Европа пока помнит, чем закончилась угроза для СССР в прошлом веке, а этим военным, хоть кол на голове чеши. Никак не наиграются "в солдатиков". Думают, что война будет нечто вроде движения точек на экране монитора. Ау! 21 век за окошком! Отсидеться за лужей, как было в двух предыдущих войнах не получится. Включили бы мозги, что ли. Если они у них есть конечно.
  27. maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 27 October 2015 07: 19 New
    +3
    Все верно. Да и Российский Флот всегда славился своим бесстрашием, умением, самоотверженностью. И не только в боевых действиях, но и в мирной жизни. Когда спасали итальянцев от извержения, греков от мародерства...Европе есть что вспомнить про российских моряков! Что может вспомнить о войсках НАТО мир??? Одна разруха и унижение населения... Такие "обширные" альянсы обречены на короткую, противоречивую жизнь. Внутренний конфликт между "доминантами" и "студентами" развалит его.
  28. parusnik
    parusnik 27 October 2015 07: 21 New
    +4
    Что можно ответить на слова "партнеров" об усилении России..Россия не усиливается,Россия сосредотачивается..
  29. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 27 October 2015 07: 26 New
    +3
    In my opinion, all this fuss will end when they specifically get us. And the code on the wall of the pentagon will be an inscription. THE ruins OF OU PARDON. HERE WAS Vanya.
  30. 4Bas
    4Bas 27 October 2015 07: 31 New
    +2
    At present, there are no serious prerequisites for the collapse of the North Atlantic Alliance. So this military-political formation will exist for a long time.
  31. Windy
    Windy 27 October 2015 07: 33 New
    +2
    The kids were sitting in the sandbox and pecking at the smallest little ones: Libya, Yugoslavia, Iraq ... But then Vovochka came into the sandbox and ruined everything. belay Fright, perplexity and resentment on the faces of children ...
  32. anip
    anip 27 October 2015 07: 33 New
    +2
    Is it too early to rejoice? Before the collapse of NATO, much more water will flow.
  33. Santa Claus
    Santa Claus 27 October 2015 07: 35 New
    +3
    All this is custom. They simply knock out the budget for their new villas .. Always when the admirals of the United States begin to write such articles, it means that someone in Congress decided to limit military spending ..
    1. Wasiliy1985
      Wasiliy1985 27 October 2015 21: 00 New
      0
      Во, точняк!! Одно напрягает: когда у них уж совсем с деньгами "швах" - они уменьшают население планеты на несколько сот тысяч душ. Чисто ради прибавления в "своем" бюджете..
      И не интересуют их "права человека", "права национальных..... религиозных.......... сексуальных........ меньшинств".
      Интересует свой собственный кошелёк - ибо "в деньгах сила"(с).
      "Вот и брат думает - что в деньгах сила.. А я считаю, что сила - в правде!!" (с) Сергей Бодров.
  34. Arkan
    Arkan 27 October 2015 07: 44 New
    +2
    The NATO will not fall apart soon, but the fact that the alliance has become really afraid of us is good. NATO is a clumsy monster, we in Russia need to use this circumstance, be swift, mobile, courageous in making decisions and putting them into practice.
  35. cniza
    cniza 27 October 2015 08: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: inkass_98
    Rumors of NATO's death are greatly exaggerated.



    Всё делается ради увеличения финансирования , США хочет выдоить всю "дрожащую" Европу.
  36. morpogr
    morpogr 27 October 2015 08: 05 New
    +1
    It is evident that the crisis affected the NATO command and that’s why we are shouting, the Russians go give more money and you Europeans need money so that we protect you from what we invented.
  37. cniza
    cniza 27 October 2015 08: 08 New
    +3
    "Нам чужой земли не надо , но и своей не отдадим"... не трогайте нас и будет вам счастье.
  38. question
    question 27 October 2015 08: 08 New
    +1
    With something to fall apart? Yes, they are now even closer from fear will cuddle with each other! And they will allocate money to those who need it! And they’ll fall apart, it’s worse for us, by the side of which some creatures just won't start!
  39. Tanker55
    Tanker55 27 October 2015 08: 09 New
    +1
    The article is interesting, but again, these are worse than ours, it seems that money is NECESSARY for NATO. PEACE LABOR MAY!!! Join the member countries and you will be happy.
  40. Neophyte
    Neophyte 27 October 2015 08: 47 New
    +1
    And most importantly, chase money on defense? The US military-industrial complex is already drooling with a presentiment of profit!
  41. ermolai
    ermolai 27 October 2015 09: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: Gloomy
    We are kind. The main thing is not to anger us!

    and you go down to the taiga, there, who knows honey too, is kind, but it’s better not to anger him, but they’re afraid because they are obviously weak, they live by lies, and we, the truth, remember the school, all nerds, petty, lie, twist, dirty tricks about their complexes , and they can’t be trusted, they are traitors in life, and even more serious, the world of Tartary’s Russ was from Kamchatka including Europe, (see the map in the British Encyclopedia), but gradually the grays changed consciousness year after year, planted a different faith, falsified history, destroyed facts, annals, etc. (see events on the edge today) and quiet glanders moved to today's borders, and a spider nest sits in Buckingham Palace,
  42. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 27 October 2015 09: 07 New
    +2
    Of course, we do not need war; we are a peace-loving people. BUT! Enough to fight on our territory already, you have to beat adversary in his lair from ALL guns: worldview, religious, economic and, last but not least, from the military !!!
    They are trying to quarrel with someone all the time!
    Enough! You need to take the initiative into your own hands, first quarrel Europe with Asashai, then the whole Middle East and Latin America, then they will come to a head! They will remember everything and stolen gold, resources, and even their torn jeans with soda ...
  43. nikolaev
    nikolaev 27 October 2015 09: 23 New
    +3
    it is necessary to constantly raise the issue of a tribunal for events in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, .... Until the main culprits are punished, humanity will not be able to get out of inferno. In the fight against evil, it is important to find and destroy the source, otherwise evil will destroy humanity.
  44. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 27 October 2015 09: 24 New
    +4
    So, to add in conclusion, there is hope that the NATO bloc will split not the “threat to Russia”, but the will of the peoples of the Western countries who do not approve of the alliance’s confrontation policy with Russia. Neither the Germans, nor the French, nor the Italians, as the Pugh poll shows, do not want to fight with Russia, defending some kind of "other NATO country." Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.


    The Yankees will not allow this, and everything is ready to prevent collapse.
    С одной стороны - Европа, утратившая какие бы то ни было духовные и моральные ценности, "голубятня" пополам с педофилией, буйная ювенальная юстиция(дети не имеющие к своим родителям-усыновителям ни какого отношения), поголовная толерантность. (Говорят, что толерантность – медицинский термин, показывающий неспособность организма сопротивляться проникновению инородных тел. И добавляют, что полная толерантность – это смерть. Такой прием обычно используется в спорах между сторонниками традиционных ценностей и новаторами в той или иной области, но чаще в области нравов и общественного спокойствия. Но спорщики не во всем правы. Да, термин толерантность имеет не только социологическое, но и прежде всего медицинское значение. Этим понятием обозначается снижение сопротивляемости организма, ослабление иммунологической реакции организма на введение в него инородных генов. Слово "толерантность" - медицинский термин – впервые ввел в употребление английский иммунолог П. Медавар в 1952 году. Понятие обозначало степень восприимчивости человеческого организма к пересаженным органам, принятие чужеродных трансплантатов.)
    Как мы видим "новаторы в той или иной области" уже вовсю рулят в Европе, всевозможные госчиновники и политики уже вовсю бравируют своим "новаторством".
    And now on the other hand - for about a million souls of refugees from North Africa, mostly Muslims, with their own values, and in the complete absence of any kind of tolerance. I think everyone saw in the television news, such peppy male refugees were quite vigorous, from 15 to 40 mainly. And what is characteristic is that they are already in distress in Europe, and they well know who bombed their homes a year ago, and 2 years ago and 10 years ago.
    Осталось только бросить факел в эту пороховую бочку, и напомнить беженцам, что именно из Европы с десяток раз приходили орды христиан-крестоносцев, и убивали их предков в их собственных домах. И пора бы уже посчитаться. Ну а европейцы в своей гейропе, это не евреи в Израиле, они будут в шоке от действий похожих на то что сейчас происходит в Израиле, типо - вбежал араб и почикал ножиком евреев, потом его застрелил полицейский. Потом добрые контрабандисты подкинут беженцам "калашей", и пошло - поехало,(кстати и зима на носу, разгроми в европе газопровод, аборигены офонареют от такого счастья). И что такое европейская армия и полиция, против тех кому просто отступать некуда? И вот приехала матрасная кавалерия, разумеется по просьбе ЕС, всех пришельцев джыдаи по шинкуют из пулемётов и из крылатых ракет(для экономии времени, прямо по лагерям беженцев, где остались только те у кого "калаша" нет, и их семьи) и спустя какое то время, так и не наведя нормального порядка джыдаи введут в ЕС прямое правление как во времена поражения Германии, с той только разницей, что своих "новаторов" набранных по всем США теперь разселят по фортам по всей Европе.
    Until the Aborigines again have an ardent desire to remain in NATO.
  45. a-cola
    a-cola 27 October 2015 09: 30 New
    +2
    I suggest. First, wait until at least one country leaves NATO, and then we will write articles about its imminent collapse. In the meantime, work for everyone!
  46. becks
    becks 27 October 2015 09: 39 New
    0
    All to that !!!! NATO !!!! will be on paper, but together to fight !!!! For someone, only in BRUSELS and language !!! fellow
  47. sledge
    sledge 27 October 2015 09: 58 New
    +1
    Перефразируя слова известной песни - "Досвиданья НАТО, досвиданья НАТО......"
  48. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 27 October 2015 10: 48 New
    +4
    Well, I once wrote here that the NATO created for the war with us will never fight with us. Accordingly, there is no sense in its existence ... But! This is not the end. NATO is evolving from a military alliance into a political and economic one, which is most likely.
  49. sw247
    sw247 27 October 2015 10: 50 New
    +1
    Очень серьёзный идеологический тезис со стороны России: "Мы хотим дружить, а не воевать". Это позиция, на которую откликаются. Единственный шанс НАТО - убедить свои "демократии" в том, что русские хотят войны. А русские прямым текстом говорят обратное.
  50. Kibl
    Kibl 27 October 2015 10: 59 New
    +1
    What is already starting, the anuresis progressing however !!!