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Military commanders, workers in NATO, as well as those who previously worked there, and experts who have worked for a term in the State Department, declare the near demise of the North Atlantic Alliance. The Russians will "kill" NATO. Now they are testing airplanes, ships, building military bases everywhere, and this is a “great challenge” that the West has nothing to answer. The fact is that the peoples of other Western countries do not want to quarrel with the Russians, but to be friends.



NATO’s "beginning of the end" was written by Charles Hoskinson in "Washington Examiner".

Russian President Vladimir Putin has managed to make the Obama administration’s idea of ​​a “reset” of US-Russia relations become a “wedge” that, according to military experts, the Russian president drives between NATO member countries.

It's no secret that Russia, “by annexing Crimea to Ukraine in March 2014 of the year,” increased pressure on NATO, and especially on the Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania), which were formerly parts of the Soviet Union. The leaders of the alliance hurried to find ways to resist the new, "more aggressive position of the Kremlin" and reassure the members of the alliance regarding their security.

However, current and former officials, and with them some experts from Russia, warn that Putin’s actions are aimed at splitting the Alliance and revising international security ties. It seems that the situation is moving wherever Russia needs it.

“We are faced with one of the top strategic tasks of the post-cold war,” said retired Marine Corps General James Jones, the former commander-in-chief of the combined NATO forces in Europe. Previously, in 2009-2010, this man served as White House National Security Adviser.

“I think,” he told the publication, “that this may be the beginning of the end of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. I think this is serious. We simply cannot sit back and allow this to happen. ”

The article says that now Russia is building a whole “steel arc” - a network of bases on the “external flanks” located in the area from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Such a strategy means confrontation with NATO states, believes Admiral Mark Ferguson, commander of the US Navy in Europe and head of the NATO Allied Command in Naples.

Russian planes sharply increased their "test" flights along the borders of NATO states. Ships, too, intensively plow water.

One of the key problems of the alliance is a convincing response to the new Russian threat. Member States must increase defense spending after two decades after the end of the Cold War.

It was not for nothing that October 12, in a speech at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly in Norway, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that the time had come to “invest in our defense.”

According to him, the concept of deterrence, even though it seems “old-fashioned,” gives the West enough strength to “prevent others from attacking.” And this last - "not at all old-fashioned." Being strong, the West can not be afraid of war. The power of NATO is required not to unleash wars, the Secretary General believes, but to “prevent” them.

There is one more “serious threat to the stability of the alliance,” according to the article by Charles Hoskinson. This “threat” is the activity of state-owned and state-sponsored global media, which conduct propaganda campaigns aimed at promoting the Kremlin's point of view. The trouble is that NATO representatives have so far failed to find the principles of an “effective response” to Kremlin propaganda. In the meantime, the “campaign of psychological warfare” has reached NATO countries. And here are the results: a survey of the Pew research center showed that the majority of respondents in France, Germany and Italy are against the idea of ​​fighting with Russia - that is, using military force to protect another NATO country.

Such public opinion, the author believes, represents a "serious threat to the principle of collective self-defense." After all, such a principle is the "cornerstone" of the alliance.

“We have to use a much more effective strategy,” said Heather Conley, a former State Department official currently working at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“This is a great challenge of our time, and we do not have an effective response to it,” said the expert.

Of the statements cited in the Washington Examiner article, the statements of Admiral Mark Ferguson, the commander of the US Navy in Europe and the head of the NATO Allied Command in Naples are of particular interest. What kind of "steel arc" did he mean?

It turns out that this "arc" is a combat-ready Russian navy, which is capable of challenging the NATO bloc.

“We see signs of the emergence of a more aggressive, more combat-ready Russian naval fleet"- quotes the admiral "Voice of America". A military official explained: “This is a naval capability that is directly intended to compensate for the obvious advantages of the fleets of the NATO countries. They give us to understand and warn that they intend to challenge our dominance at sea. ”

In addition, speaking at a meeting of the Atlantic Council, Ferguson said that the renewed army of the Russian Federation increased its potential compared to the times of the Cold War. She has the ability to respond: “The ability to respond has become a new element. We see that Russia's actions now fully include such elements as speed and strategic surprise. ” Finally, “the language that comes from the Russian military reflects the mindsets and actions characteristic of a direct challenge and confrontation with NATO”.

“The creation of a steel arc from the Arctic to the Mediterranean testifies to the new militarization of the Russian security policy,” Mr. Voice of America quotes Mr. Ferguson. “Starting from new bases in the Arctic and further in Leningrad in the Baltic Sea and Crimea in the Black Sea, Russia is installing advanced air defense systems, cruise missile systems and new platforms.” “It also increases the potential for power projection in the naval sphere. Their base in Syria now gives them such an opportunity in the eastern Mediterranean, ”the admiral noted.

According to him, the strategy of "blocking access to the sea" is directed against NATO naval forces.

He made a speech about the "threats" and another admiral.

The increased activity of the Russian fleet and "other threats" is a reason for reviewing NATO’s naval strategy, believes American admiral John Richardson, who recently headed the headquarters of the US Navy. Reports about it RIA News" with reference to The Wall Street Journal.

Mr. Richardson told senior naval officers in Venice that Russia had shown an increase in skills in controlling ships, and at the same time showed "a desire to resort to methods of military coercion."

“Their combat activity has grown to a level that we have not seen for more than ten years. The level of their training is growing, ”the admiral stated.

According to Richardson, NATO and the EU should strengthen coordination in order to "more effectively" use their naval forces. Without well-coordinated actions, neither the question of “containing Russia”, nor the migration issue will be solved effectively.

So, to add in conclusion, there is hope that the NATO bloc will split not the “threat to Russia”, but the will of the peoples of the Western countries who do not approve of the alliance’s confrontation policy with Russia. Neither the Germans, nor the French, nor the Italians, as the Pugh poll shows, do not want to fight with Russia, defending some kind of "other NATO country." Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.

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  1. +40
    27 October 2015 06: 12
    "The Russians are Coming!" Is the national fun of the alliance members! laughing
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    2. +53
      27 October 2015 06: 18
      Ice is cracking in Europe.
      1. +54
        27 October 2015 08: 16
        Why are everyone afraid of Russians? We are kind. The main thing is not to anger us! wink
        1. +3
          27 October 2015 09: 26
          Yes, we are good, knock out teeth with brains for good.
          1. +33
            27 October 2015 10: 07
            I think the likelihood of the collapse of NATO, in direct terms, does not depend on the will of the countries of Europe. It is enough to recall what NATO is. The block was founded on April 4, 1949 in the United States, "to protect Europe from Soviet influence." And this was preceded by the US occupation of Western Europe. And in the occupation territories a certain block arose.

            For this, the goal of NATO (and more precisely the USA) is, first of all, the occupation of the conquered, both in the Second World War and after the collapse of the USSR. Their presence is especially great in those countries that could potentially offer resistance (the number of US bases is two to three times the number of bases in the countries where they are located). P.E. if Europe today wants to leave NATO, it will be impossible physical.

            PS
            Thus, the collapse of NATO, as an international political process, is directly related to the military capabilities of the United States, or the reduction of such capabilities.
            1. +16
              27 October 2015 10: 53
              I will add, I will strengthen: A popularly elected "ruler" cannot come to power in the NATO countries (and not just, but also in those under control)! The system is structured in such a way that the "election" is won by the protege of the Naglo-Saxons, whom they have been holding for that very place for a long time and are developing his political weight, investing money in him and in his election, populist campaign! SLAVE!
            2. +9
              27 October 2015 13: 09
              _Vladislav_
              I think the likelihood of a breakdown of NATO, into a direct one, does not depend on the will of the European countries.

              It would be very, very good ... if NATO collapsed ... but, in my opinion, it is too early to bury this military establishment ...
              What does the global hegemon need in order to maintain its dictatorship and control both the sources of strategic raw materials and the markets for their goods. The United States understands perfectly well that a nuclear war cannot be allowed ... they will be burned to ashes (like they are others, along with markets and sources of raw materials!) ... but military force is needed for just war! AND BETTER IT IS BETTER TO WAR WITH OTHER HANDS AND IN ANOTHER'S TERRITORY! And they created this power, NATO! So EUROPE, FOR THE USA, CANNON MEAT FOR SUSPENDING THE INTERESTS OF A.MEROV AT ALL POINTS OF THE WORLD! Leaving its territory without shocks and devastation ... THE USA WILL NEVER REFUSE FROM A GARMENTAL CANNON MEAT!
              And here comes the conclusion ... HOW THE EUROPEAN WOULD NOT LIKE TO RELEASE FROM NATO ... THE YANKS WILL NOT RELEASE THEM! And the desperate (from OLD EUROPE) ... fugitives from the NATO community ... WILL NOT LONG BE TORTURED IN A.MEROVSKY ... EXPERIENCED HANDS!
              1. +4
                27 October 2015 16: 36
                Russians will “kill” NATO.

                Pleasant, of course, but doubtful. While European governments are dependent on the United States, NATO, unfortunately, will not go anywhere
              2. 0
                27 October 2015 20: 54
                Member states must increase their defense spending - in the face of the coming crisis, this is the main mistake these "members" will make. and this is exactly what we need)))
            3. 0
              28 October 2015 09: 37
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              P.E. if Europe today wants to leave NATO, it will be impossible physical.

              This is not entirely true. Technology is available - joint maneuvers are appointed with us. A contingent of a thousand people to fight terrorism. Well, in fact, the Pskanskie ones are beginning to pour in at the airdromes, in the Taman field with equipment ... The terribly stunned president of the liberated power leaves for negotiations at our location ... and from there a number of decrees and orders are issued. Thus, the Americans are faced with a choice - to reconcile or start Armageddets.
              They are already very sour now. All their affairs were hidden behind the "Soviet threat." And now what is the threat from Russia? The worst thing is that we want to trade mutually beneficial with Europe. And not only with Europe. Not to plunder fiercely, as the United States is now, but to trade, giving everyone money. What could be worse ?!
          2. +11
            27 October 2015 11: 18
            Ded_smerch SU Today, 09:26 ↑
            Yes, we are good, knock out teeth with brains for good.
        2. +2
          29 October 2015 13: 53
          And they are afraid of the Russians because the average man in the West has never heard a kind word about Russians in his entire life. From childhood on television, on the radio, in newspapers, in textbooks, it is customary to throw mud at Russians. First, they go with wars, then they shove them off the Russians, so they rage. No, in order to objectively analyze the situation, it is easier to appoint an enemy. Besides, in the presence of an "enemy" it is easier to control the brainwashed. An example in Ukraine. A huge number of the population began to sincerely hate Russia and Russians in particular. Although many were born and raised in the USSR, I generally keep quiet about young people. And before they were like normal, sensible people, that's how they are brainwashed.
        3. 0
          29 October 2015 14: 31
          Because our good is with fists. With fingers of uranium. wink
        4. 0
          29 October 2015 17: 34
          Quote: Gloomy
          Why are everyone afraid of Russians?

          nobody is afraid of us. all this is a bluff. you always need the image of the enemy to peacefully bomb unwanted countries on a far-fetched pretext.
          And here are its results: a survey of the Pew research center showed that the majority of respondents in France, Germany and Italy are against the idea of ​​fighting with Russia - that is, the use of military force to defend another NATO country.

          bloody Russians brainwashed the progressive part of the population of Europe and now this part does not want to attack the bloody Russians THIRD TIME (!!!). The cunning and treacherous Putin has built military bases on his territory and is threatening the security of NATO, which has almost reached the borders of the Russian Federation. am
          God, do not let someone like me to take the chair of the President of the Russian Federation, otherwise the entire nuclear arsenal would be discharged by these goats! Already just sick of their rot !!! If it were my will, I would take the Russian Federation, I would file it along the borders with a jigsaw, stick powerful engines around the edge and dump it from this planet! and to hell with all this ... let yourself in your wassat boil it!
      2. +5
        27 October 2015 11: 24
        Quote: fiction
        Ice is cracking in Europe.


        and the reason is that their external debt is simply not real, Europe has more than 8 trillion. Euro and the United States about 18 trillion. dollars so they are cracking at the seams .....
    3. +3
      27 October 2015 07: 06
      it's time to “invest in our defense


      Gentlemen, do your contributions! Secrecy of deposits guaranteed!

      Interestingly, 200 billion cu save European democracy?)))
      1. +10
        27 October 2015 07: 25
        Mattresses with the help of NATO divorced the whole of Europe, embroiled it in all serious with all the consequences, and they themselves are reaping the benefits of money, we hope that this worldwide divorce will come to an end.
        1. +6
          27 October 2015 08: 47
          Russian President Vladimir Putin has managed to make sure that the Obama administration’s idea of ​​“resetting” US-Russian relations turned into a "wedge", which, according to military experts, the Russian president drives between NATO member countries.

          We Russians have a saying: "They knock out a wedge with a wedge!" - In this case, it is in action!
        2. +4
          27 October 2015 09: 54
          Quote: ZU-23
          Mattresses with the help of NATO divorced the whole of Europe, embroiled it in all serious with all the consequences, and they themselves are reaping the benefits of money, we hope that this worldwide divorce will come to an end.

          good And now, NATO, bye? crying
          Yes, crap - NATO is now more alive than all living things, and will exist in the future. The new budget is being knocked out, the elections in the states again - that’s the old scarecrow of the Soviet-Russian threat. Money - it doesn’t smell even if it’s taken out of shit.
          1. +6
            27 October 2015 10: 38
            America 75% of the total potential of NATO. The Germans, French, Italians compared to America is a pug. Even together they have fewer tanks than Poland. The population — more and more senior citizens — the pulse of more and more Muslim immigrants — This society is not able to act as a member of NATO. They simply do not have the strength to contain Russia. On the other hand, they do not have the power to deter the United States. America will have a stronger influence in Europe thanks to an alliance with countries on NATO’s eastern flank and also with Britain, the Scandinavians.
            1. +1
              27 October 2015 18: 41
              "Population - more and more pensioners pulse more and more Muslim immigrants - This society is not able to fulfill the duties of a NATO member" - theoretically in 10 years all military personnel in Europe will be black, especially in Germany
              ZY Hitler in 1945 committed suicide - my imagination is not enough to imagine what he would do with himself - if his army consisted of blacks and Arabs (50 / 50).
              Z.Z.Z. At least WWII would definitely not exist in principle ......
              Well, there was no access to Facebook in the USSR at all ....
          2. +4
            27 October 2015 11: 08
            Quote: andj61
            So they get the old scarecrow of the Soviet-Russian threat.

            And to whom we threaten, we are building a line of defense in our territory
            Now Russia is building a whole "steel arc" - a network of bases on the "outer flanks" located in the region from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Such a strategy has in mind the confrontation with NATO states, believes Admiral Mark Ferguson,
            or did they believe there that Russia would stand, pick its nose and watch with fear how NATO rolls to its borders?
        3. 0
          27 October 2015 09: 59
          Big, but believe in fairy tales
        4. +14
          27 October 2015 11: 19
          ZU-23 (1) RU Today, 07:25 ↑
          Mattresses with the help of NATO lit the whole of Europe,
        5. +4
          27 October 2015 14: 39
          "... Starting with new bases in the Arctic and further into Leningrad..."

          However, the fear of Soviet toponyms driven into the subcortex of NATO warriors is very tenacious, if they still remember. The image of the enemy is the same, regardless of the socio-political system - RUSSIAN! This is the only people who can (if they really want or bring our universal patience) to drive the countries of NATO and the USA and the Anglo-Saxon civilization into the Middle Ages, just starting to restore justice.
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      3. +3
        27 October 2015 20: 57
        once a German said an alliance with Russia would allow us to control all of Europe and keep England in the backyards, but no one listened to it, except for the British (((
    4. +2
      27 October 2015 09: 27
      Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.
      I would not want this to happen late
    5. +10
      27 October 2015 09: 52
      500 million people in Europe, and even in the United States - 300. Their total military budget is many times greater than our state. What are they afraid of us? So it turns out that they are not afraid, but legitimize the image of the enemy for their population, in order to then justify their own aggression - "well, this is Russia, she threatened us, threatened us and now we have to ..." so we have to be on the alert with these " comrades "soldier
    6. +1
      27 October 2015 12: 27
      Only a "robot" or a madman can enjoy slavery. The Russians by their existence give a "hint" where there is still more freedom in a world dependent on nature. She's in a relationship.
    7. +3
      27 October 2015 13: 11
      Quote: Finches
      "The Russians are Coming!" Is the national fun of the alliance members!

      Not the Europeans have other fun. Namely, every 100 years, to get together all and get lule in Russia.
    8. 0
      28 October 2015 15: 48
      Being strong, the West may not be afraid of war. NATO’s power is required not to start wars, the Secretary General believes, but to “prevent” them.

      Those. our "national oblivion is not to their liking, but their own - very much even nothing ...
    9. +1
      28 October 2015 16: 23
      I also liked the phrase - it's time to "invest in our defense." It smacks of a banal divorce of suckers on the headstock :)
    10. 0
      29 October 2015 14: 02
      “Russians are coming” is a popular fun not only of the alliance, but also of many post-Soviet so-called “countries.” With the submission and payment of the West, it is very fashionable for the “partners” to be a Russophobe. Well, of course, in Europe, they were never friends. But these the newly-minted so-called "democracies" think that they are in trend, not understanding what bitter tears they will wash away.
    11. 0
      30 October 2015 01: 09
      So all that scumbag that they got into NATO entered into it only in order not to invest money in their army, they say they will support the allies, and we will be yapping for it for Russia. Even aircraft do not trust the same Baltic states.
  2. +28
    27 October 2015 06: 13
    Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries! You don’t touch us and you won’t be anything for it.
    1. +5
      27 October 2015 07: 23
      ivan48857
      Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries! You don’t touch us and you won’t be anything for it.

      If in the end it comes to their consciousness, then the great tragedy of the United States will result in the inevitable collapse and collapse of NATO, and after it the collapse of North America itself. Hurry to get it!
    2. +3
      27 October 2015 07: 29
      So, to add in conclusion, there is hope that the NATO bloc will split not the “threat to Russia”, but the will of the peoples of the Western countries who do not approve of the alliance’s confrontation policy with Russia. Neither the Germans, nor the French, nor the Italians, as the Pugh poll shows, do not want to fight with Russia, defending some kind of "other NATO country." Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.



      Great resume !!!
    3. +27
      27 October 2015 07: 58
      Holy naivety! stop Do you think that if the 21 century has come, then on Earth everyone has become morally enlightened? fool Here you are, dear "ivan48857", write:
      Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries!

      Personally, I agree with you on all 200%. Yes And try to prove it immediately to the whole world! negative Maybe sometime in the future ... what
      For the sake of jokes, an example from the environment. Imagine - we are sitting quietly and posing as such a quiet and slightly sickly well, for example - a rabbit. belay Anyone running past a predator will simply consider with his bestial duty to estimate a frail-looking rabbit on its rightful tooth. And here the Darwin installations end feel How does an honest carnivore know that the snack has a full set of teeth, claws, 7 is given in aikido and the bit is hidden behind a birch? After all, do not touch anyone? soldier But they will climb anyway. hi
      1. +3
        27 October 2015 08: 24
        Yeah, guess what kind of setup laughing And perefigyachit rabbit all in the forest)
      2. +2
        27 October 2015 08: 28
        I liked about a complete set of teeth, claws, aikido and a bit for a birch.
        Thank you for having fun. laughing
        In general, a point to the point!
      3. 0
        27 October 2015 09: 16
        So, continuing the thought. Until someone has enough stars from the rabbit, they will try, as the previous comrade said, "to figure it out." Alas, but it will not reach the predators otherwise. Although .... In the depths of my soul there is a thought that even after that it will not reach everyone ...
    4. +14
      27 October 2015 11: 21
      ivan48857 SU Today, 06:13
      Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries! You don’t touch us and you won’t be anything for it.
      1. +1
        27 October 2015 12: 14
        And whoever doubts our peacefulness, will wash himself with his own blood.
  3. +19
    27 October 2015 06: 20
    The withdrawal of bases from Europe will be the collapse of America.
    For in this way she immediately loses control of Europe.
    So all this is no more than dreams and notions.
    In addition, Europe for America is a bastion against Russia.
    America will primarily sacrifice Europe in the war against Russia.
    1. +5
      27 October 2015 06: 52
      Rumors of NATO's death are greatly exaggerated. But, even if this happens, I guarantee a Churovsky percentage of probability that a new alliance will immediately emerge, and even more paranoid, since the first fiddle there will be played by underexposed people with unfulfilled ambitions - Poland, and Romania and the Baltic states will sing along. And God forbid they really find German gold in Silesia. With solid financial capabilities, a dwarf turned on his own greatness can do a lot, Pilsudsky in a coffin will more than once turn over from envy.
      1. +3
        27 October 2015 07: 40
        Quote: inkass_98
        With solid financial capabilities, a dwarf turned on his own greatness can do a lot

        They don’t have money !! What are the financial opportunities ??? Aw, uncle. The West is mired in debt and tolerance, leaving due to the great inertia of the system.
        1. +3
          27 October 2015 09: 36
          they have now all the money will go to feed the migrants who have nestled with them
    2. +19
      27 October 2015 06: 58
      The American bases of Russia are not terrible, something else is worse: these Amer’s bases are the cement that gives the appearance of NATO power and readiness to repel any aggression, including and Russian.
      In fact, there is nothing of this, neither aggression, nor cohesion, nor determination to repel the threat - Europe has become angry, sour, and due to the lack of German revenge, it has lost the spirit of aggression, changing it to pragmatism, which supposedly contains great forces for a small bribe.
      This is a phantom: the power is really great, but who needs power without will, without purpose, without the desire to win, and without justification for its existence? Great power requires the commanders of the Great Military Leader, who knows the taste and sense of the leadership of the Force, knows the content of this force and cheers for it with his soul, for the development of the replenishment of the Force and its maintenance.
      There is none of this: everything is fragmented and has no commanders, turns into trash and can’t conduct network-centric operations and doesn’t even have precision weapons - this is what NATO is today, the worst thing is that the inhabitants of all countries gathered under a NATO umbrella DO NOT BELIEVE in the fact that NATO, even with the assistance of the United States, is not able to withstand any challenges today, even network-centric, even chaotic and partisan.
      EVERYTHING Europe was blown away ...
      1. 0
        27 October 2015 08: 22
        I agree. Well said.
      2. +1
        27 October 2015 11: 36
        ..can this be all so. It’s only that Russia acts as a firefighter, filling in those hot spots that are successfully fueling the States. So, we do not preempt the situation, but follow the direction that the States choose for us.
        In my opinion, the main sadness is that we have too much, depends on oil too much. We cannot get rid of our raw material role. Otherwise - why the ruble is jumping like that. What pleases you ..? Now, if the stability of the economic level was like in the States, we could only rejoice. In the meantime .. it doesn’t work out.
  4. +6
    27 October 2015 06: 23
    "The power of NATO is not required in order to unleash wars" ........
    The dog is a racket, not a secretary general.
  5. +2
    27 October 2015 06: 28
    It was necessary to dissolve NATO immediately after the Warsaw Pact - they would save a lot of money and save many lives. But megalomania is a stubborn thing.
  6. +5
    27 October 2015 06: 28
    Collapse of the United States-Runet and NATO. Or vice versa...
    1. +1
      27 October 2015 10: 22
      The only way. As long as the US hegemony does not have any will of any people there, it’s ridiculous to say, no threat, nothing will move NATO. How can the US lose hegemony? I have no idea.
  7. +3
    27 October 2015 06: 29
    With a good and strong neighbor such as Russia it is better to be friends and not to conflict. This is both about politics and the economy, these are all conditions for a peaceful life.
  8. +3
    27 October 2015 06: 29
    Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.

    Better, of course, if sooner than later. We are peaceful people, but our armored train stands on a siding.
  9. +7
    27 October 2015 06: 31
    It was not for nothing that October 12, in a speech at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly in Norway, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that the time had come to “invest in our defense.”

    Keyword - it's time to "invest in our defense"
  10. +6
    27 October 2015 06: 32
    So, even during our lifetime, I want to say goodbye to NATO and drink for its demise.
  11. +3
    27 October 2015 06: 34
    strange, but the article does not say a word about creating a single military coordination center within the EU, namely, the European military bloc within the EU, but without the Yankees, and this is precisely what the Yankees are trying to prevent more and more actively moving their missile defense system ...
    1. +3
      27 October 2015 07: 14
      Quote: Volka
      namely the European military bloc within the EU, but without the Yankees,


      And why should they do this if there is a NATO Charter, by which they are bound hand and foot, arguing: "Why know geography, if the coachman (USA) knows where to go?"
  12. +3
    27 October 2015 06: 34
    Do not forget that the FSA peace treaty with Germany has not yet been signed. They can use this to cling to old Europe.
  13. +7
    27 October 2015 06: 40
    it's time to invest in our defense ..
    This explains all the nonsense about the RF threat ..!
  14. +4
    27 October 2015 06: 45
    At the expense of Russia and on the wreckage of Russia, they counted on building and maintaining not only their military bases around the world, destroying and terrorizing the unwanted, but in fact keeping the armies of their "lapdogs" who cannot, and often stupidly do not want to spend the last penny on the power of not beloved, but still the owner. I said, it was necessary to finish us off in the 90s, now prepare Vaseline.
    1. +1
      27 October 2015 23: 16
      Quote: Myth
      . I said, It was necessary to finish us off in the 90s, now prepare Vaseline.

      They did not deserve a vesel, they did not deserve am
  15. +1
    27 October 2015 06: 45
    increased pressure on NATO, and especially on the Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)

    Either these pseudo-countries are so strong that they successfully resist "pressure", or there is no pressure.
  16. +1
    27 October 2015 06: 46
    NATO was not called there .. it was NECESSARY AND ONE MUST MONEY!
  17. +1
    27 October 2015 06: 46
    I don’t understand how it is possible to draw strategic conclusions and write a huge article on the statements of two near-witted admirals?
    The author probably has a lot of time and he decided to occupy us with his pearl, "conjuring" over his finger.
    There is not even a hint of a weakening of the "collective will" among serious politicians in NATO.
  18. +1
    27 October 2015 06: 52
    Quote: ivan48857
    Russia is one of the most peace-loving countries! You don’t touch us and you won’t be anything for it.


    So that is the main world military contradiction - these radishes sit and baton planes (jobs!), We plan too. This needs more (unemployment, however!), Etc. Well, in the end - two men gathered to fight; one has 2 clubs, the other has 12 (jobs worked, salary received!). Whose victory will be? To dig these woodpeckers - two with STOCK is enough, and ten - in jobs.
    (Short Course of the World Economy)
  19. +2
    27 October 2015 06: 52
    Nobody will collapse and fall apart in the foreseeable future, unless the shadowy authorities break the roof and decide to heal the world by war, or the authorities have a real chance to survive after a nuclear conflict.
  20. +1
    27 October 2015 06: 54
    we are on our side of the globe do not touch anyone, and you do not climb to us !!!
  21. +1
    27 October 2015 06: 56
    To make it time to say "NATO, goodbye!" you must first say "USA, rest in peace!" well, or tear Europe away from the influence of the United States.
  22. +3
    27 October 2015 06: 58
    "Starting with new bases in the Arctic and further into Leningrad in the Baltic Sea and Crimea in the Black Sea, Russia is installing advanced air defense systems, cruise missile systems and new platforms. ”
    Here is the brake. Where can we keep up with the Russians, if their experts have not yet “caught up” that Leningrad has long been renamed St. Petersburg.
    1. +1
      27 October 2015 07: 15
      Quote: tommy717
      Starting with new bases in the Arctic and further in Leningrad in the Baltic Sea and Crimea in the Black Sea, Russia is installing advanced air defense systems, cruise missile systems and new platforms. ”

      What do you want? Look! the famous Russian painting "They Didn't Wait!"
    2. +3
      27 October 2015 08: 27
      Quote: tommy717
      "Starting with new bases in the Arctic and further into Leningrad in the Baltic Sea and Crimea in the Black Sea, Russia is installing advanced air defense systems, cruise missile systems and new platforms. ”
      Here is the brake. Where can we keep up with the Russians, if their experts have not yet “caught up” that Leningrad has long been renamed St. Petersburg.


      How is St. Petersburg? what When did you manage? laughing
    3. +1
      27 October 2015 20: 43
      All the same: "Leningrad" ?! Why not St. Petersburg?
      Still, "Leningrad" remained a symbol of perseverance?
      Which "in the people" is still called "Peter" ..

      Yes, do not care about breaking the pattern of the Western "balabon".
      Most importantly, we know which city we are talking about !!
  23. 0
    27 October 2015 06: 59
    Threats, threats !!! When do you break up ???
  24. +1
    27 October 2015 07: 00
    It seems to me that false nagging to increase further expenses.
  25. +1
    27 October 2015 07: 01
    NATO has exhausted itself.
    The US needs to think about how to protect itself from external threats, which Russia is also doing. One must not be smart to consider that in a dream Russia sees itself as the mistress of the Planet. Everything created is a response to the claims of the Cherchels, Thatchers and everyone else in their desires to divide our country into parts and increase the group of vassals ...
  26. +2
    27 October 2015 07: 03
    In the 17th century, a score line was built. In the 30s, the "Stalin line" was built. Now we have created the "Steel arc". History is something to teach gentlemen from Washington. Europe still remembers how the threat to the USSR ended in the last century, and to this military, even a stake on their heads. They will not play enough "soldiers". They think that war will be something like the movement of dots on a monitor screen. Hey! 21st century outside the window! Sitting behind a puddle, as it was in the two previous wars, will not work. Would have turned on the brains, or something. If they have them, of course.
  27. +3
    27 October 2015 07: 19
    Everything is correct. And the Russian Fleet has always been famous for its fearlessness, skill, dedication. And not only in military operations, but also in civilian life. When the Italians were rescued from the eruption, the Greeks from looting ... Europe has something to remember about the Russian sailors! What can the world remember about NATO troops ??? One devastation and humiliation of the population ... Such "extensive" alliances are doomed to a short, contradictory life. The internal conflict between "dominants" and "students" will ruin him.
  28. +4
    27 October 2015 07: 21
    What can you answer to the words of "partners" about the strengthening of Russia .. Russia is not growing, Russia is concentrating ..
  29. +3
    27 October 2015 07: 26
    In my opinion, all this fuss will end when they specifically get us. And the code on the wall of the pentagon will be an inscription. THE ruins OF OU PARDON. HERE WAS Vanya.
  30. +2
    27 October 2015 07: 31
    At present, there are no serious prerequisites for the collapse of the North Atlantic Alliance. So this military-political formation will exist for a long time.
  31. +2
    27 October 2015 07: 33
    The kids were sitting in the sandbox and pecking at the smallest little ones: Libya, Yugoslavia, Iraq ... But then Vovochka came into the sandbox and ruined everything. belay Fright, perplexity and resentment on the faces of children ...
  32. +2
    27 October 2015 07: 33
    Is it too early to rejoice? Before the collapse of NATO, much more water will flow.
  33. +3
    27 October 2015 07: 35
    All this is custom. They simply knock out the budget for their new villas .. Always when the admirals of the United States begin to write such articles, it means that someone in Congress decided to limit military spending ..
    1. 0
      27 October 2015 21: 00
      In, exactly !! One thing is annoying: when they have absolutely no money, they reduce the population of the planet by several hundred thousand souls. Purely for the sake of adding to "your" budget ..
      And they are not interested in "human rights", "the rights of national ..... religious .......... sexual ........ minorities."
      Interested in his own wallet - for "money is power" (c).
      "So my brother thinks that money is power .. And I think that power is in truth !!" (c) Sergey Bodrov.
  34. +2
    27 October 2015 07: 44
    The NATO will not fall apart soon, but the fact that the alliance has become really afraid of us is good. NATO is a clumsy monster, we in Russia need to use this circumstance, be swift, mobile, courageous in making decisions and putting them into practice.
  35. +3
    27 October 2015 08: 02
    Quote: inkass_98
    Rumors of NATO's death are greatly exaggerated.



    Everything is done to increase funding, the US wants to milk the entire "trembling" Europe.
  36. +1
    27 October 2015 08: 05
    It is evident that the crisis affected the NATO command and that’s why we are shouting, the Russians go give more money and you Europeans need money so that we protect you from what we invented.
  37. +3
    27 October 2015 08: 08
    "We do not need someone else's land, but we will not give up our own" ... do not touch us and you will be happy.
  38. +1
    27 October 2015 08: 08
    With something to fall apart? Yes, they are now even closer from fear will cuddle with each other! And they will allocate money to those who need it! And they’ll fall apart, it’s worse for us, by the side of which some creatures just won't start!
  39. +1
    27 October 2015 08: 09
    The article is interesting, but again, these are worse than ours, it seems that money is NECESSARY for NATO. PEACE LABOR MAY!!! Join the member countries and you will be happy.
  40. +1
    27 October 2015 08: 47
    And most importantly, chase money on defense? The US military-industrial complex is already drooling with a presentiment of profit!
  41. +4
    27 October 2015 09: 05
    Quote: Gloomy
    We are kind. The main thing is not to anger us!

    and you go down to the taiga, there, who knows honey too, is kind, but it’s better not to anger him, but they’re afraid because they are obviously weak, they live by lies, and we, the truth, remember the school, all nerds, petty, lie, twist, dirty tricks about their complexes , and they can’t be trusted, they are traitors in life, and even more serious, the world of Tartary’s Russ was from Kamchatka including Europe, (see the map in the British Encyclopedia), but gradually the grays changed consciousness year after year, planted a different faith, falsified history, destroyed facts, annals, etc. (see events on the edge today) and quiet glanders moved to today's borders, and a spider nest sits in Buckingham Palace,
  42. +2
    27 October 2015 09: 07
    Of course, we do not need war; we are a peace-loving people. BUT! Enough to fight on our territory already, you have to beat adversary in his lair from ALL guns: worldview, religious, economic and, last but not least, from the military !!!
    They are trying to quarrel with someone all the time!
    Enough! You need to take the initiative into your own hands, first quarrel Europe with Asashai, then the whole Middle East and Latin America, then they will come to a head! They will remember everything and stolen gold, resources, and even their torn jeans with soda ...
  43. +3
    27 October 2015 09: 23
    it is necessary to constantly raise the issue of a tribunal for events in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, .... Until the main culprits are punished, humanity will not be able to get out of inferno. In the fight against evil, it is important to find and destroy the source, otherwise evil will destroy humanity.
  44. +4
    27 October 2015 09: 24
    So, to add in conclusion, there is hope that the NATO bloc will split not the “threat to Russia”, but the will of the peoples of the Western countries who do not approve of the alliance’s confrontation policy with Russia. Neither the Germans, nor the French, nor the Italians, as the Pugh poll shows, do not want to fight with Russia, defending some kind of "other NATO country." Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.


    The Yankees will not allow this, and everything is ready to prevent collapse.
    On the one hand - Europe, which has lost any spiritual and moral values, "dovecote" in half with pedophilia, violent juvenile justice (children who have nothing to do with their adoptive parents), universal tolerance. (They say that tolerance is a medical term that shows the body's inability to resist the penetration of foreign bodies. And they add that total tolerance is death. This technique is usually used in disputes between supporters of traditional values ​​and innovators in one area or another, but more often in the field of morals And the disputants are not right about everything. Yes, the term tolerance has not only sociological, but above all medical meaning. This concept denotes a decrease in the body's resistance, weakening the body's immunological response to the introduction of foreign genes into it. The word "tolerance" - medical term - was first introduced into use by the English immunologist P. Medavar in 1952. The concept denoted the degree of susceptibility of the human body to transplanted organs, acceptance of foreign transplants.)
    As we can see, "innovators in one area or another" are already in full force in Europe, all kinds of state officials and politicians are already flaunting their "innovation" with might and main.
    And now on the other hand - for about a million souls of refugees from North Africa, mostly Muslims, with their own values, and in the complete absence of any kind of tolerance. I think everyone saw in the television news, such peppy male refugees were quite vigorous, from 15 to 40 mainly. And what is characteristic is that they are already in distress in Europe, and they well know who bombed their homes a year ago, and 2 years ago and 10 years ago.
    It remains only to throw a torch into this powder keg, and remind the refugees that it was from Europe that hordes of Christian crusaders came a dozen times and killed their ancestors in their own homes. And it would be high time to count. Well, the Europeans in their geyrope are not Jews in Israel, they will be shocked by actions similar to what is happening in Israel now, as if an Arab ran in and knifed the Jews, then a policeman shot him. Then the good smugglers would throw Kalash into the refugees, and off it went, (by the way, winter is on the way, destroy the gas pipeline in Europe, the aborigines will grow up with such happiness). And what are the European army and police, against those who simply have nowhere to retreat? And so the mattress cavalry arrived, of course, at the request of the EU, all the Jidai aliens were shredded from machine guns and from cruise missiles (to save time, right through the refugee camps, where only those who had no Kalash, and their families remained) and after what At that time, without restoring normal order, the Jidai will introduce direct rule in the EU as in the days of Germany's defeat, with the only difference that their "innovators" recruited throughout the United States will now be deployed to forts throughout Europe.
    Until the Aborigines again have an ardent desire to remain in NATO.
  45. +2
    27 October 2015 09: 30
    I suggest. First, wait until at least one country leaves NATO, and then we will write articles about its imminent collapse. In the meantime, work for everyone!
  46. 0
    27 October 2015 09: 39
    All to that !!!! NATO !!!! will be on paper, but together to fight !!!! For someone, only in BRUSELS and language !!! fellow
  47. +1
    27 October 2015 09: 58
    To paraphrase the words of the famous song - "Goodbye NATO, goodbye NATO ......"
  48. +4
    27 October 2015 10: 48
    Well, I once wrote here that the NATO created for the war with us will never fight with us. Accordingly, there is no sense in its existence ... But! This is not the end. NATO is evolving from a military alliance into a political and economic one, which is most likely.
  49. +1
    27 October 2015 10: 50
    A very serious ideological thesis on the part of Russia: "We want to be friends, not fight." This is the position to which they respond. NATO's only chance is to convince its "democracies" that the Russians want war. And the Russians say the opposite in plain text.
  50. +1
    27 October 2015 10: 59
    What is already starting, the anuresis progressing however !!!
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  52. +1
    27 October 2015 11: 18
    Excellent sawers, learn Taburetkin. In general, it’s strange to hear that we are stationing an army at our border.
  53. +2
    27 October 2015 11: 22
    Quote: Observer 33
    NATO is evolving from a military alliance into a political-economic one, this is most likely.



    There is no other way, they are engaged in politics; there is only one step left to the economy.
  54. +1
    27 October 2015 11: 24
    We will be able to defend ourselves - is this already a confrontation with NATO? Excellent logic, they are definitely homo sapiens???
  55. 0
    27 October 2015 11: 52
    I don’t believe in the collapse of NATO. Such alliances disintegrate only due to their destruction during hostilities. So... Look what's going on around us - a continuous roar about our aggression, so to speak. Unity and vigilance will preserve us.
  56. 0
    27 October 2015 12: 12
    Sooner or later, this position of voters will affect the election results: new politicians will come to power in the EU countries, ready to lend a hand to friendship to Moscow.

    Hmm ...

    Sooner or later, this is encouraging, despite the saying like “everything will come to those who wait, but often it’s too late...”

    And it’s interesting to read about the hand of friendship. They already handed it to Moscow once, about 25 years ago, and they extracted whatever they wanted from Russia, leaving “dear Russians” with empty pockets under the rule of thieves.

    Moreover, it is said "while the grass is growing, the cow will die of hunger".

    Naivety is a good quality in children, but for some this quality accompanies them into old age, throughout their lives...
  57. 0
    27 October 2015 12: 12
    After the collapse of the USSR, NATO's main task was to combat the consequences of NATO's own intervention. ©
  58. +2
    27 October 2015 13: 25
    Great-grandfathers Paris, grandfathers Berlin, and all we have to do is take Washington soldier
  59. 0
    27 October 2015 13: 53
    The wave of refugees to Europe is a catalyst for understanding and analyzing the consequences of NATO's activities - the bloc does not have a "constructive" one.
  60. 0
    27 October 2015 13: 55
    The wave of refugees to Europe is a catalyst for understanding and analyzing the consequences of NATO's activities - the bloc does not have a "constructive" one.
  61. +2
    27 October 2015 14: 00
    lying bastards! Just look at the NATO expansion map and it immediately becomes clear who is trying to threaten whom.
    I hope we will be able to create a base-port for ships and an airfield for the Russian Aerospace Forces in Cuba.
  62. +1
    27 October 2015 14: 27
    Neither the Germans, nor the French, nor the Italians, as a Pew sociological survey shows, want to fight with Russia, defending some “other NATO country.”

    The Europeans have already fought with us, they know how it ends.
    We haven’t butted heads with America yet, so they’re showing off...
  63. +1
    27 October 2015 14: 50
    To speed up the collapse of NATO, it would be necessary to remind Europeans that independent defense is much cheaper than NATO membership. Each country included in the Alliance pays a substantial amount of money from its state budget for membership. I can’t say the exact figures of who pays how much, but most likely it comes out pretty well. I also wonder who manages all these contributions. It would be a good idea for RT to release a series of programs on this topic - what is cheaper, national defense or NATO membership. Europeans love to count money, so we need to give them some food for thought. You can also throw this topic at the Americans. Maintaining one military base abroad costs the taxpayer a lot of money, but it does no good; America is far from safe. And in the States themselves, social problems are growing that require financial investments. So maybe it would be better to close all these foreign military bases, and use the money allocated for their maintenance to solve social problems in America? It’s worth giving ordinary Americans such an idea and I’m sure they’ll like it. This idea will take hold of the masses. Plus the idea that national defense is cheaper and safer than NATO for Europeans. It is worth conducting propaganda on this in Europe and the USA.
  64. 0
    27 October 2015 16: 11
    Well done, they are seeing the light. Be friends with us - and we will treat you in a friendly way. And, besides, it’s mutually beneficial!
  65. 0
    27 October 2015 16: 55
    Everyone is eager to fight with Russia, but once again they don’t want to get punched.
  66. 0
    27 October 2015 18: 22
    Are the stores running out of diapers?
  67. 0
    27 October 2015 18: 42
    They just want to get money, that's all.
  68. Are
    +1
    27 October 2015 19: 35
    NATO is not #goodbye yet"#.... In the near future, this organization will live, but it will be undermined hourly and daily. The proverb “A drop wears away a stone” is, I think, very appropriate here.
    As for Russia’s military strength, the task has been set to outperform a potential enemy not in numbers, but in quality, “nullifying” the advantages of this enemy. This is the only way our country can avoid a ruinous arms race (the experience of the USSR is sad). So we have the opportunity to wait for the collapse of the NATO bloc. soldier
  69. +1
    27 October 2015 20: 11
    One thing is not clear to me: why do purely “land” countries (such as Germany and France) listen with open ears to the reasoning of the “brave” American ADMIRALS?! After all, my opinion, the fate of Europe and Japan was not decided by the admirals of England or the SGA. Their fate in 1945 was decided by the GENERALS!!! Soviet (already at that time) Army!! Clean landlubbers!!
    In this regard, it’s generally funny: Shoigu Sergei Kozhugetovich is a Tuvan! Where is Tuva - and where is the nearest sea?! Answer: Kara, East Siberian - to choose from.. :):)
    Well then, we ask our “partners” not to be surprised by our close attention, “from land general Shoigu,” to our inland seas.
    The Northern Sea Route is a Russian concept. Just like the term “icebreaker”!
  70. +1
    27 October 2015 20: 17
    Maybe NATO will fall apart, but just like that and soon - it’s unlikely.
  71. 0
    27 October 2015 20: 44
    I wouldn't be so optimistic yet. This is the usual paranoia inherent in Western man, who is accustomed to consider himself the “king of beasts.” Yes Yes! Exactly Beasts! And the presence of another force not under his control is perceived as a direct threat. Even when no one thinks to threaten.
    And so, much still needs to be done. (As a resident of Sevastopol, I observe our “prisoners of war” (that’s what the former military units of the Navy are called). There, even the psychology needs to be broken through business trips to Syria and the New Siberian Islands with Novaya Zemlya).
    Well, stupidly they have more (technology). This is also a fact that must always be kept in mind.
  72. 0
    27 October 2015 20: 50
    Quote: Gloomy
    Why are everyone afraid of Russians? We are kind. The main thing is not to anger us! wink

    In vo. Who needs this, anyway? Here. This is where the legs grow from.
  73. +3
    27 October 2015 21: 30
    Well, I don’t know, personally, I don’t notice our very strong pressure on Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. If only trade sanctions. And as for NATO... what is NATO, for me personally, in my understanding, NATO is America and the “countries- mosquitoes" that will instantly merge if America turns on the "back". They couldn't even cope with migrants. It's a fact! these countries have no plan “B” and no plan “C”. They would have already been destroyed if war had happened. They worked out a strategy for three months and still couldn’t do it. But the war is not migrants. Everything is on the clock there. America calls for an increase NATO countries are spending on weapons, but the “mosquitoes” have no money. Everything is very creaky and very little is being done and not willingly in terms of building up weapons by NATO countries, which leads to the fact that America is already pushing old things into them and transferring them just so as not to lose the forward movement in McCain encourages in every possible way in the build-up of armaments, he doesn’t get out of the plane at all, he flies, he flies, he expresses support. He pats me on the shoulder and says.. - yes, guys, we’re planning to throw in some more junk, so they wanted to travel around Europe and the Baltics in equipment, but it turned out that half of them are in the Baltics These TachAnki tanks won’t withstand bridges. What kind of war? Hello Europe? cook cheese, drink at the October Festival. Sit on your butt straight. And then, then, at the first rocket that falls on Europe, America will express concern and lock itself overseas and then Europe will feel what it is like from Russia with love. Purely IMHO in the style of a sofa opinion. A If we add a little imperial thinking, then Russian generals should sit in all the Baltic republics as under Peter.
  74. +1
    27 October 2015 21: 34
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    Well, I don’t know, personally, I don’t notice our very strong pressure on Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. If only trade sanctions. And as for NATO... what is NATO, for me personally, in my understanding, NATO is America and the “countries- mosquitoes" that will instantly merge if America turns on the "back". They couldn't even cope with migrants. They worked out a strategy for three months and still couldn't. But war is not migrants. Everything is on the clock there. America calls for increased spending by NATO countries on weapons but no money. Everything is very creaky and very little is being done and not willingly by NATO countries, which leads to the fact that America is already pushing old things into them and transferring them just so as not to lose the forward movement in building up weapons.


    agree with you.
    especially about Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
    where is the pressure?
    1. +1
      27 October 2015 21: 44
      In Latvia Initially they said that the damage from Russian sanctions would be insignificant. And then they calculated: now the forecast is no less than fifty-five million euros in losses - this is for food, about twenty million - in related industries - for example, the same transport

      Deliveries to Russia for Of Estonia - one fifth of all food exports. Also dairy products, also meat processing industry. Analysts predict a drop in GDP of three tenths of a percent for the republic. And it just seems like it’s not enough - in absolute numbers we’re talking about tens of millions again.

      Lithuania. The mammary artery is blocked. The country was left without enormous profits. Mass layoffs are coming.

      For such small countries this is probably a noticeable pressure.
  75. 0
    27 October 2015 22: 12
    There is the usual squeezing out of money for armaments from particularly intractable NATO members...
  76. +1
    28 October 2015 09: 23
    NATO will collapse not because of military weakness, but purely because of economic reasons... it’s too much of an “expensive toy”, they are NOT us, and they simply don’t want to spend money on “Almaty” to the detriment of healthcare, social programs, etc. I don’t want to argue whether we should or shouldn’t “tighten our belts” and arm ourselves to the teeth to the detriment of the standard of living, whether we were dragged into this madness or whether we ourselves “went off the rails”, but “Urapatriotism ala little blood on foreign territory” is annoying (there was such already in history) and laughing now, for example, at Estonia with its seven (or how many tanks there are?), we should not forget about the winter war with the Finns, who hardly had any more of these same tanks... I repeat, I’m not, I’m not a liberal, etc. ..
    1. +5
      28 October 2015 13: 31
      Well, Estonia is not Finland in the 40s. And we are not the same anymore. If you really have to “punish” someone. It’s enough to knock out the infrastructure remotely. Power plants, ports, communication centers, train stations, etc. And then everything will begin to roll into stone like an avalanche century. And do not allow any humanitarian aid there. And as it turned out, we are quite capable of doing so. This is where the main nerve is in the Baltic states. And seven tanks is one raid.
      At the moment, we just need to wait for the migration flow to shake Europe. And when the real storm begins, they themselves will ask us for help... They will be happy if our tanks and “little green men” stand at the crossroads.
      And then the time for contracts and conditions will come. They are already in one intimate place with one foot, they just haven’t realized it yet.
      The people in Europe are not all, as some people imagine, completely stupid and buggers... there are also sober-minded people. So they will begin a new wave of relations with us.
      There was once a fashion for nationalism in Europe. It has passed. Now there is a fashion for tolerance. And this will pass. And tomorrow people like Marie Le Pen and Sarah Wagenknecht will come... and the Europeans will joyfully run into our arms.
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  78. -1
    28 October 2015 17: 02
    NATO is not going anywhere and no one will be allowed to leave. During the times of socialism, everyone also said that decaying capitalism would collapse, that the United States did not have much time left. And we know very well what ultimately collapsed, and even miserably
  79. -1
    28 October 2015 19: 21
    NATO will definitely end. This is the fate of all invading armies. I won’t even go into detail here about why this will happen and how. I will say only one thing - NATO is an unjust army. The truth is not on their side.
  80. 0
    28 October 2015 22: 43
    And why are all these former brothers/non-brothers of ours pretending to be afraid? So, it’s clear that if they wanted to, they would have rolled it into a pancake long ago...or haven’t they wanted to yet? No.
  81. 0
    28 October 2015 22: 43
    Starting with new bases in the Arctic and further in Leningrad........

    Do the Americans still call St. Petersburg Leningrad? That’s how it is!
  82. 0
    28 October 2015 23: 48
    Globa predicted that the collapse of the European Union and NATO would occur almost simultaneously. I don't remember in what order. It seems somewhere around 2020.
  83. 0
    29 October 2015 06: 48
    Quote: nemets
    Member states must increase their defense spending - in the face of the coming crisis, this is the main mistake these "members" will make. and this is exactly what we need)))

    What’s funny is that this is what the Americans themselves need first and foremost - to weaken Europe, which has strengthened economically and politically. But we don’t need a Europe that is too weak, then they will start begging for money from us too. And if we add fear of us at the genetic level, which has not gone away in 500 years, then weakened Europeans are more likely to recognize themselves as a US colony than to bend under us. They went through it and didn’t like it very much. It would be better if there were a few more, albeit weak, voices against American policy.