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Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia, while she helps Assad

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Supported by the United States and its allies, the Syrian opposition refused the offer of Russia to coordinate efforts in the fight against IS, reports RIA News the message of the TV channel "Al-Arabia".




"We do not understand how to talk about coordination and at the same time support Bashar Assad",
A spokesman for the Free Syrian Army Ahmad Saud told the channel.

In his opinion, “the Russian campaign is aimed more at helping the government troops, rather than at fighting the Islamic State.

This statement was made after the words of Sergey Lavrov that Moscow is ready for joint action with opposition members fighting Islamists.

Lavrov also said that the goal of Russia is to act taking into account the interests of all of Syria, and not the personal interests of Assad.

For their part, the United States and Saudi Arabia declared their intention to strengthen support for the moderate opposition.

“Both sides noted the importance of mobilizing the international community to support this goal and re-emphasized the need for a (political) transition without the participation of (Syrian President Bashar) Al-Assad. They pledged to continue and intensify support for the moderate Syrian opposition while a political settlement is being conducted. ”- says the release of the State Department following the meeting of John Kerry and Saudi King Al Saud.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 25 October 2015 11: 41
    36
    Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia while it helps Assad
    Well, okay! What a trouble.
    1. mad
      mad 25 October 2015 11: 46
      34
      Carpet point bombing will surely make them change their minds ... but I'm afraid then it will be too late. Barack and McCain promised to save them, but in reality they will merge and do not frown.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 25 October 2015 12: 04
        46
        This is simply a wonderful step on their part - since they are not with us and not with the government, and even with weapons in their hands - let them not be offended by moderate bombardments.
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 25 October 2015 12: 18
          10
          at first we don’t want to cooperate with Assad, there will be no Assad - we don’t want to cooperate with those who supported him - there’s some kind of dead end what
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 25 October 2015 12: 33
            +3
            Quote: Dryuya2
            some dead end what

            And the so-called "terrorist pro-Americanus" and "moderateicus opposition" are generally dead-end branches of mankind.laughing
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            1. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 25 October 2015 14: 06
              14
              Quote: meriem1
              It’s much easier to eat a living human liver under the Yankees wing.

              and I’ve already said for a long time, it’s necessary not to show videos with their victories and how they rob cities, but ...
              18 ++++
              YPG fighters captured two ISIS fighters. YPG - Kurdistan People’s Self-Defense Forces (Kurdish Yekîneyên Parastina Gel) - The military wing of the Kurdish High Committee, which is directly involved in the Syrian armed conflict. Among the YPG fighters there are volunteers from Russia. The main task of the YPG is to maintain law and order and protect the lives of citizens in the regions of Syria, inhabited mainly by Kurds.



              In the city of Duma and its environs, the Syrian army launched intensive attacks on terrorist shelters, neutralizing dozens of them killed and wounded. In the settlements of Zero, Bal, Marge Al-Sultan, Bzeyn army units defeated the bases and equipment of the militants, eliminating at least 20 of them, some of which are Jordanian mercenaries.

              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 25 October 2015 15: 58
                +7
                Drynya2 (2)
                and I’ve already said for a long time, it’s necessary not to show videos with their victories and how they rob cities, but ...
                18 ++++
                Speak very correctly!
                All the "romance" of potential ISIS and other terrorists quickly ends!
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 26 October 2015 00: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  All the "romance" of potential ISIS and other terrorists quickly ends!

                  They are probably afraid in the video that they will also eat the liver ... Feed forcefully pork chops and drive them out. Shame themselves will eat their liver.
              2. 78bor1973
                78bor1973 25 October 2015 18: 21
                +3
                Something has not been seen for a long time new demonstrative executions, once probably! laughing
                1. Bird the Talker
                  Bird the Talker 25 October 2015 20: 18
                  +4
                  Yes, they just showed how they rolled up an Assad soldier’s tank, they have it all the time. They fight alone in the front line, and the executioners are always in the rear. There’s nothing to grind your teeth.
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              3. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 26 October 2015 09: 50
                0
                On the first video, they are blissful. Turn your back on this without clinging to your throat. Human scum. Soldiers behave very correctly with them. If the Syrian military was in the midst of such a crowd of these garbage, he would be cut to pieces.
                On the second video, the dude seems to be shell-shocked after a good explosion.
                In the last video - a group session with the paradise guria. Gangbang so to speak.
        2. WKS
          WKS 25 October 2015 14: 04
          16
          Quote: lelikas
          This is simply a wonderful step on their part - since they are not with us and not with the government, and even with weapons in their hands - let them not be offended by moderate bombardments.

          The opposition is a political structure that fights for power by legal means. And if they shoot, then these are terrorists.
        3. BMP-2
          BMP-2 25 October 2015 14: 25
          +2
          Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia while it helps Assad

          Well, then let the Syrian opposition somehow decide: either it is cooperating with Russia, or it is helping Assad! laughing
        4. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 25 October 2015 16: 01
          +2
          Quote: lelikas
          This is simply a wonderful step on their part - since they are not with us and not with the government, and even with weapons in their hands - let them not be offended by moderate bombardments.


          Good slogan: Moderate terrorists - moderate bombing.
        5. Esso
          Esso 25 October 2015 21: 25
          0
          Full of carte blanche, beat the bastards, no mercy!
        6. solvi
          solvi 25 October 2015 22: 55
          0
          So they were still found, these "moderate"? Exclusive moderate bombing, please, only for highly secret members of the opposition.
      2. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 25 October 2015 12: 50
        +3
        well, let them not cooperate, but they have excellent interaction with our bombs and missiles, with terrorists we are definitely not on the way
      3. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 25 October 2015 13: 34
        +8
        Russia is taking part in the military conflict in Syria on the side of the legally elected government of this country, therefore no opposition has the right to dictate its terms to us. If the "oppositionists" support the terrorists by their actions, they will also be destroyed. It is necessary to understand this long ago ... and not only "moderate oppositionists" ...
      4. Djubal
        Djubal 25 October 2015 14: 03
        +3
        What is "moderate opposition" in general? If, for example, in the USA, Republicans, for example, instead of going to the polls, simply take up arms in order to shoot all Democrats and all who disagree with this, will it be opposition or terrorism?
      5. Xergey
        Xergey 25 October 2015 19: 31
        0
        Ours said this so that the whole world would hear that we are ready for cooperation in Syria for peace, in fact this will be another problem in the future, but here everything seems to be normal, they themselves refused, they themselves are to blame, that is, if they didn’t hide we are not to blame.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 25 October 2015 11: 48
      30
      The entire Syrian moderate opposition is in London, it will not cooperate with Russia. We will not be upset by this and will not bomb London, of course, and who is in Syria seems immoderate, so Russia is not to blame for not hiding here.
      1. Armax
        Armax 25 October 2015 12: 04
        +6
        Quote: vovanpain
        Syrian moderate opposition sits in London,

        This is exactly the one whose shaved beards in the photo were distributed, if not mistaken, by English reporters.
        Such an opposition will probably increase in direct proportion to the quantity and quality of Russian Air Force flights to Syria.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 25 October 2015 12: 23
        +7
        Quote: vovanpain
        and who is in Syria seems immoderate, so who didn’t hide here Russia is not to blame.

        They seem to be sure that they are moderate, but not sure that they are immoderate ...
        In short, Alla, I'm at the bar!
      3. Zefr
        Zefr 25 October 2015 12: 57
        +2
        Or maybe, after all, throw a couple?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 25 October 2015 20: 15
          +1
          Quote: Zefr
          Or maybe, after all, throw a couple?

          I’m thinking about it myself ...
    3. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 25 October 2015 11: 56
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      Well, okay! What a trouble.


      This is called - to spite mom’s frostbitten ears
    4. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 25 October 2015 11: 56
      +2
      At http://x-true.info/27130-na-storonu-asada-pereshlo-plemya-o-zhestokosti-kotorogo
      -hodyat-legendy.html
      The fighters of the tribe before the Assad tribe told LifeNews why they decided to form an alliance with the army.

      Troops besieged by ISIS fighters in the Syrian city of Deir ez-Zor received a new ally. Warriors of the local Shaitat tribe sided with the government army. Previously, it supported the opponents of Bashar al-Assad from among the representatives of the armed groups of the opposition ...

      Has Al Arabia launched a fake?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 25 October 2015 12: 28
        +5
        Quote: Voha_krim
        Has Al Arabia launched a fake?

        Not necessarily: even those who expected to profit from the capture of Deir ez-Zor realized that in the new alignment of forces it is better to change the disc to "What are we? We're nothing, we just went out for a walk" - they demonstrate real practicality! laughing
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 25 October 2015 12: 32
        +8
        With the video it will be more interesting ...
    5. Maxom75
      Maxom75 25 October 2015 11: 58
      +5
      And what did you expect from those who are now bombing our VKS? They are day SSA, and night ISIS. Who pay for those and fight.
    6. Vend
      Vend 25 October 2015 12: 01
      +6
      Quote: Observer2014
      Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia while it helps Assad
      Well, okay! What a trouble.

      Yes, no one doubted that they would refuse. After all, the war in Syria began with the armed opposition of the opposition to state power. This is not the opposition, these are terrorists bought by the USA and the EU.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 25 October 2015 12: 05
        +7
        Well, let them say so .. Our cause is right ...!
      2. Penetrator
        Penetrator 25 October 2015 12: 22
        +3
        Quote: Wend
        This is not the opposition, these are terrorists bought by the USA and the EU

        Okay, you all cut one comb. We are idealizing Bashar too much - he is not so white and fluffy. There would be no big problems in Syria, if he had not received mass unrest in 2011. Another thing is that foreign instigators canalized popular discontent (which could be resolved by peaceful means) into a civil war. Well, the fact that he lasted four years is finally from the realm of science fiction, not otherwise than without the intervention of higher forces. Yes, and 30% of the country's population (Alawites and Christians) have nowhere to retreat - either to flee or to die ...
        The bad news is that the types who are sitting in Paris and London have the audacity to speak on behalf of all Syrian Muslims and the "democratic" opposition. And it is impossible to negotiate with them (only if their owners do not force kicks).
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 25 October 2015 18: 40
          0
          Penetrator
          We idealize Bashar too - he is not so white and fluffy


          ... in a civil war ... white and fluffy ... never happens bully
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 25 October 2015 19: 18
          -1
          Quote: Penetrator
          he is not so white and fluffy

          White and fluffy rulers, in principle, does not happen.
          Quote: Penetrator
          There would be no big problems in Syria, if he had not received mass unrest in 2011.

          Experts organize "popular unrest" in any country regardless of the real state of affairs. And the only thing that can prevent this is the good work of counterintelligence.
          Quote: Penetrator
          Well, the fact that he lasted four years is finally from the realm of science fiction, not otherwise than without the intervention of higher forces

          I can’t say anything about higher powers, but in this case there are two factors.
          Firstly, thanks to the help of Russia.
          Secondly, thanks to the support of the majority of the people, without which no Syrian express would have saved it:
          I will only say in conclusion that the emperor should be in friendship with the people, otherwise he will be overthrown in difficult times. Nabid, ruler of Sparta, withstood the siege of the whole of Greece and the victorious Roman army and defended power and the fatherland, meanwhile, with the approach of danger he had to eliminate only a few people, whereas if he was at enmity with all the people, he could not limit himself to so small .
          (Machiavelli "The Sovereign")
    7. Finches
      Finches 25 October 2015 12: 09
      +5
      This means that this is not the Syrian opposition thinking about their country, but the conspiratorial branch of the Islamic State - a kind of agent of influence sponsored by the United States, but if it comes to power, it will immediately transfer it to its true owner from ISIS! ...
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 25 October 2015 12: 19
        22
        Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia

        What is the opposition? wink

        You will not cooperate, well, ugh on you! wink

        Only mind you and then do not cry and do not be offended! wink
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 25 October 2015 18: 54
          0
          Quote: Sid.74
          What is the opposition?
          So I wonder ...

          In March, it did not seem to be there - 05.03.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Assad: moderate opposition in Syria is a myth.
          http://topwar.ru/70363-asad-umerennaya-oppoziciya-v-sirii-eto-mif.html

          In August she suddenly appeared - 10.08.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Representatives of several Syrian opposition groups will arrive in Moscow this week. This was reported by TASS with reference to the Special Representative of the President of Russia in the Middle East and African countries, Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov.
          http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/74166

          Then it disappeared again - 01.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Pushkov: moderate opposition in Syria - a myth invented by the United States
          http://www.mignews.ru/news/politic/world/011015_104132_44688.html

          And she couldn’t find it - on October 19.10.2015, 16, Deputy Chief of the General Staff Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov, who runs the Russian military operation in Syria, gave an interview to Komsomolskaya Pravda, in which he said: “This is said in the West about“ moderate opposition ”, but we do not see this in Syria yet.
          http://rusevik.ru/news/326569

          2 days ago there was still no opposition - 23.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Kremlin: the West did not help the Russian Federation find moderate opposition in Syria
          http://www.rg.ru/2015/10/23/peskov-site.html

          And yesterday, she suddenly appeared again, and she was promptly offered cooperation - 24.10.2015 Moscow is ready to support the ground operations of the opposition "Free Syrian Army" from the air. This was stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.


          So there is no opposition in Syria, or is it power, in a changing situation, with its contradictory statements, the Russian electorate travels around the ears, simultaneously hanging tons of noodles on these very ears?


          However, everything is as usual:

          09/02.2015/XNUMX Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that air strikes against militants of the Islamic State group are ineffective and illegal.
          http://riafan.ru/210480-putin-udaryi-po-boevikam-ig-neligitimnyi/

          16.04.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin: "Islamic State" no threat For Russia.
          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2509061

          30.09.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Islamic State terrorist group has long declared Russia its enemy. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with members of the government.
          http://tass.ru/politika/2304543
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 25 October 2015 19: 43
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            Putin: The Islamic State does not pose a threat to Russia.

            Are you reading between the lines?
            According to the president, the concern is that there are Russian citizens in the ranks of ISIS. "This really causes us concern - the fact that our citizens appear there. They undergo some training there and may end up on our territory. CIS citizens are trained there, fight and may end up with us, already having our passports."- said Putin.

            Quote: Uncle Joe
            In August, she suddenly appeared - 10.08.2015 Representatives of several Syrian opposition groups will arrive in Moscow this week.

            Well, why be surprised if these "opposition" groups in the negotiations, these are the tame dogs of the SA and Qatar, such as Al-Nusra, read like the project of the SA Alkaida, and IS Qatar, are not represented at the negotiations, because they are not comme il faut. heads from the monarchies of the BV, so the negotiations are completely imitation, the SA and Qatar, Turkey and the United States say Assad must leave, and then everyone disperses. The real opposition goes to the same mosque with Assad and is in Damascus, and does not wage a war against his country.
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 01: 05
              0
              Quote: Sid.74
              Are you reading between the lines?
              Naturally not - there is no such need.

              In addition, such a "reading" in fact always represents an empty fantasy in an attempt to pass off the wishful thinking.

              Well, why be surprised
              Am I surprised?

              Depending on the changes in the world political situation and the accompanying nishtyaks, the opposition will continue to appear and disappear (in the same way, the Ukrainian "junta" has turned into a recognized legitimate power) - everything is natural, everything is within the framework of bourgeois logic.

              these are the manual dogs of CA and Qatar
              Idle talk

              The real opposition goes to the same mosque with Assad and is in Damascus
              So this opposition is of the same quality as the belolentochnaya in relation to the Kremlin - that is, no.

              and does not wage war against his country
              The war is not against the country, but against the state and the Assad oligarchy, and the collective Assad and the leaders of the opposition are definitely facing each other.

              But the Russian Federation blended purely for the interests of raw material capital.
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 26 October 2015 01: 34
                0
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                everything is natural, everything is within the framework of bourgeois logic, in the interests of big business.
                Well, in the Trotskyist logic of something, kindle a fire, just for the sake of what, for whom.?. what
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                Idle talk

                A well-known thing, Qatar-IG, SA-Alcaida, suppliers and organizers of the fire in the US BV.
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                So this opposition is of the same quality as the belolentochnaya in relation to the Kremlin - that is, no.

                Are you upset now ...? winked Me not... requestThe roots of these pseudo-revolutions are alone, behind a large puddle and in Europe. And his mother Lenin, also from Zurich, came under a racket that accompanied him — a traitor!
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                The war is not against the country, but against the state and the Assad oligarchy

                Please list the oligarchs of Syria? And in the USSR the statehood was destroyed, and then the great country collapsed. Statehood is the country.
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                The leaders of the opposition are definitely worth each other.

                Criminals, recidivists ... from the Caucasus, BV, Central Asia and all of them are pro-American opposition.smile
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 03: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Sid.74
                  in Trotskyist logic
                  Trotskyism is a kind of opportunism, and here the logic is purely bourgeois - the loot comes first (for it everything is done)
                  Reputable Russian uncles need a pipe going through the territory of Syria? And what about Western oil companies in its territory?
                  Hardly.
                  Famous thing
                  Well-known speculation is not backed by facts.

                  As for Syria, this is generally a separate issue.
                  In 45th, Syria declared independence, in 46th it completely wiped out the French and the British, and it started: in November of the 48th, riots forced the government to resign, a state of emergency was introduced, military coups in the winter of 48-49th, in August 49 on December 49th, in February 54th, in September 61st, in March 62nd, in March 63rd (one of the leaders of Assad Hafez), in November 70th (headed by Assad Hafez ) - This is without taking into account the riots.
                  In the mid-70s, the authorities accused of corruption, the beginning of the Islamist movement, the years 77-78, a series of terrorist attacks against government officials, in the spring of the 80th clash with the Islamic opposition, accusing the authorities of corruption.
                  In 2000, Assad Jr. was nominated by the Ba'ath to the presidency, for which the constitution is changing.

                  In your opinion is it all USA? lol
                  States, when it is beneficial to them, only help to tear where it is already subtle (and not always successful).
                  Are you upset now ...?
                  Why should I be upset - that the bogey of the "liberal" opposition, artificially created by the Kremlin, allegedly demands that the Kremlin is already implementing it?
                  The roots
                  The roots are under your nose, but you do not want to see them.
                  Lenin
                  Oh, this Lenin, who overthrew those who overthrew the tsar, and laid the foundation of the most just state, whose legacy we still can’t eat ... From what a villain ...
                  Please list the oligarchs of Syria?
                  Oh can't laughing
                  Oligarchy - (Greek oligarsia - from oligos - not numerous and arche - power), a regime in which political power belongs to a narrow group of people.
                  How did Basharushka come to power? smile
                  And in the USSR destroyed statehood
                  Socialist statehood. And then deliberately eliminated the union of states.
                  Statehood is a country
                  Bad now with education.
                  Statehood - State system, state organization.
                  The state is a political organization of a society with a certain form of government.
                  A country is a territory that has certain borders, enjoys state sovereignty, or is under the authority of another state.
                  pro-American opposition
                  Read something on the copper so that the Kremlin’s propaganda does not repeat more stupidity.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 26 October 2015 20: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    Bad now with education.

                    When Hitler attacked the USSR, he also said that he had fought against communism.
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    Socialist statehood

                    And what is the difference if the collapse of the country was followed by the collapse of the country?
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    Oligarchy - (Greek oligarsia - from oligos - not numerous and arche - power), a regime in which political power belongs to a narrow group of people.

                    Central Committee of the CPSU?
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    so that the Kremlin’s propaganda doesn’t repeat more stupidity

                    That is, the United States does not support all this ... escaped to Syria?
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 21: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      When Hitler attacked the USSR, he also said that he had fought against communism.
                      And he fought against communism, but this has nothing to do with ignorance of terminology.

                      And what is the difference if the collapse of the country was followed by the collapse of the country?
                      In essence: the countries as they were - they are, but there is no union of socialist states.

                      Central Committee of the CPSU?
                      Yes - from the age of 77.

                      That is, the United States does not support all this ... escaped to Syria?
                      That is, if the United States supports someone, this does not mean either that the United States created those they support, nor that the United States created the conditions for what is happening, nor that the supported are exclusively pro-American, and are not primarily targeted their own goals.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 26 October 2015 23: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And he fought against communism,

                        But didn’t they strive to destroy non-communists, didn’t drive them into slavery and did not rot in concentration camps?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        this has nothing to do with ignorance of terminology.

                        And how are you going to separate the country from the state physically?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        In essence: the countries as they were - they are, but there is no union of socialist states

                        Actually, there was one country that is now gone.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Yes - from the age of 77.

                        With 1953.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        doesn’t mean either that the US created those they support

                        That is, it was not they who arranged a series of coups, but then armed, trained, financed, etc. All this ...?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        and do not pursue primarily their own goals

                        Well yes. But who will ask them?
                      2. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 01: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        But didn’t they strive to destroy non-communists, didn’t drive them into slavery and did not rot in concentration camps?
                        And questions about anything and taking the topic aside so far are still your norm?

                        I stated that Hitler really fought with communism - with what joy do you file Communists with non-Communists here?

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And how are you going to separate the country from the state physically?
                        And why should I physically separate the territory physically existing within certain boundaries, with the population living in this territory, from the form of organization of this population and the political system existing in the field of law, and not physically?

                        Actually, there was one country that no longer exists.
                        The union state was one, not a country. A federal state consisting of 15 socialist states.

                        With 1953
                        From the 77th - from the moment when the party from the main public association legally turned into the core of the political system, which determines the line of domestic and foreign policy, thereby completely leveling the role of the Soviets.

                        That is, it was not they who arranged a series of coups, but then armed, trained, financed, etc. All this ...?
                        Is it specifically about Syria, or in general?

                        Well yes. But who will ask them?
                        All if things go in accordance with their goals.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 October 2015 19: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I stated that Hitler really fought with communism

                        And I explain to you that he fought with the Russians. But communism, not communism, is the tenth matter.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Why do I need to physically separate

                        Well, you write that the state is one thing, the country is another.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The union state was one, not a country.

                        A state cannot be composed of states. Either the state was, or it was not and there was a union a la present-day Europe.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        From the 77th - from the moment

                        Since 1953, when Stalin died or was killed.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Speech specifically about Syria, or in general

                        And you do not know that among those who are at war with the Syrian army, there are even those who before that fought with the Russian in Chechnya?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        with their goals

                        Delivered by them, or delivered by their curators from Washington.
                      4. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 28 October 2015 09: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And I explain to you
                        No, do not explain - this is in your comment in general the first time surfaced.

                        And for this alleged explanation I will copy your manner, and ask - and therefore the non-Russians did not seek to destroy, did not drive into slavery and did not rot in concentration camps?

                        And further, if I follow in the outline of your reasoning and agree with you, we will come to the conclusion that the USSR fought not with fascism, but with the Germans (and fascism, not fascism, is the tenth thing)

                        Well, you write that the state is one thing, the country is another
                        Exactly. So why should I physically separate the physical from the non-physical, while one is separated from the other from the beginning?

                        A state cannot be composed of states
                        Read in the dictionary what a federal state (Russia as an example) is and do not write more stupid things.

                        Since 1953, when Stalin died or was killed
                        From the 77th - when the oligarchy, which began to form during the life of Stalin, finally legalized itself, becoming an oligarchy in the full sense (that is, a group with political power that cannot be influenced by legal means).

                        And you do not know that among those who are at war with the Syrian army, there are even those who before that fought with the Russian in Chechnya?
                        Not in the know, as there is no evidence for this.
                        But you did not answer the question.

                        Delivered by them, or delivered by their curators from Washington.
                        By them.
    8. oblako
      oblako 26 October 2015 04: 08
      0
      Opposition and ISIS in BV is a paid international jet at the state level acting in the interests of the payer. Bomb everyone! States should have rights and a showdown with the opposition should be without armed violence. For that matter, other people respect and ensure human rights, and the rights of the state must be respected and supported by other states. Give a declaration of the rights of states !!! fellow
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 15: 32
        0
        Quote: oblako
        Opposition and ISIS in BV is a paid international racket at the state level acting in the interests of the payer
        Who paid Hafez al-Assad 2 military coups in which he participated? smile
  • hydrox
    hydrox 25 October 2015 12: 18
    +6
    Quote: Observer2014
    The Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia,

    This is a key phrase: the idiots did not understand (poorly translated or did not hear) that the Americans agreed not only with Assad’s rule until the liberation of Syria, but also with Assad’s presence in the transitional government.
    And with this stupid statement once and for all they cut off their paths to survival in this meat grinder, but they made a split in their ranks. I do not think that they will now begin to crumble each other's ranks, but that the number of prisoners of war will increase at times is a fact.
    At the same time, Lavrov’s hands were untied ...
  • DMB3000
    DMB3000 25 October 2015 12: 22
    +3
    we will not do the same with them. and we even know what to do with them
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 25 October 2015 13: 03
    0
    Bliiiiin ... and what do you do? laughing
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 25 October 2015 13: 58
      0
      "We do not understand how to talk about coordination and at the same time support Bashar Assad",

      What dull, and then who will fight on earth? Assad has some kind of no ground army. They themselves want to fight against Igil and think that they will be able to defeat him? Or do they think the Syrian army and Assad’s army are two different forces?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 25 October 2015 14: 31
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    Quote: Observer2014
    Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia

    And Russia will continue close and fruitful cooperation with representatives of the Syrian terrorist opposition.
    http://scalemania.ru/file_manager/uploads/7631fe44206904a875c36f9ab7831ecb.jpg
    http://ru-an.info/Photo/QNews/n4389/1.jpg
    http://politikus.ru/uploads/posts/2015-10/thumbs/1444245728_3.jpg
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 25 October 2015 15: 15
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    But does Russia really offer cooperation? With those who do not exist? And with those who exist, help is only a one-time-quick relocation to Hell ...
    Quote: Observer2014
    Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia while it helps Assad
    Well, okay! What a trouble.
  • arane
    arane 25 October 2015 16: 28
    +1
    Who gave birth to them did not allow them. They were given a chance ...... let them die
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 25 October 2015 16: 58
    0
    does not want, soon there will be no one to cooperate with Assad
  • Hubun
    Hubun 25 October 2015 17: 06
    0
    Russia helps not Assad but Syria
  • 78bor1973
    78bor1973 25 October 2015 18: 17
    +1
    It’s easy to read, the Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia, while it helps Assad and ISIS BOMB! And how sloppy we are, but the ears of the State Department are visible here too!
  • Nick
    Nick 25 October 2015 20: 35
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    Quote: Observer2014
    Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia while it helps Assad
    Well, okay! What a trouble.

    And how many divisions does this opposition have? lol They won’t recruit a platoon. request
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  • crumb
    crumb 26 October 2015 07: 14
    0
    oh and don’t say it won’t cooperate, so it won’t exist
  • oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 25 October 2015 11: 41
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    The Russian Federation cooperates with the official authorities in Syria. Everyone else can collaborate or become targets. The choice is the opposition. Ultimatums will not help.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 25 October 2015 11: 43
    +9
    Yes it is necessary to bomb everyone there, moderate and immoderate.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2015 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: Igor39
      Yes it is necessary to bomb everyone there, moderate and immoderate.

      It’s already raining in the Golan, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow the weather will not be flying.
      1. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 25 October 2015 16: 44
        +1
        in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation they said that in this case the fleet was brought there. we will see...
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 25 October 2015 11: 44
    +7
    In his opinion, “the Russian campaign is aimed more at helping the government troops, rather than at fighting the Islamic State.


    And this is the same thing, a club. Except for Assad, no one fights with the igils, moreover, such "moderate" as this type give them American weapons and pass to them.
  • adept666
    adept666 25 October 2015 11: 47
    +6
    Ahah refused the offer, as if someone had offered them something, Lavrov said that they could consider the possibility if the "opposition" expressed such a desire, but the Russian Federation itself did not offer anything to anyone and is not going to ...
  • Tusv
    Tusv 25 October 2015 11: 53
    +3
    Well, not all Syrian opposition is against.
    Representatives of the Free Syrian Army sent the Russian Federation a proposal to hold talks in Cairo on cooperation in resolving the situation in Syria, the coordinator of the Syrian National Salvation Group, uniting a number of military and political leaders of the Syrian opposition, and one of the founders of the Free Syrian Army, told RIA Novosti. Fahd al-Masri
  • sl22277
    sl22277 25 October 2015 11: 53
    +2
    Some bandits and murderers will not kill others. It sounds that way.
  • ZYRYANIN
    ZYRYANIN 25 October 2015 11: 53
    +4
    The opposition was created by the United States, and it is controlled by them ... It’s foolish to count on a mind where teams from across the ocean are guided!
  • Rigla
    Rigla 25 October 2015 11: 54
    +3
    Great news good Well, ours - not to miss! yes
  • Altona
    Altona 25 October 2015 11: 55
    +4
    If we translate from the language of these Idlib donkeys into normal human: "We cooperate with those who feed us. And who feeds us, he gives us tasks!"
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 October 2015 11: 55
    +3
    This opposition cannot be discerned even through a microscope. And the one that is visible is no different from IS. Therefore, and gets "in the brain". If they do not want to cooperate with Russia, we will survive. There, in paradise, among the hourias, you will figure out who was completely immoderate and who was not quite moderate.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 October 2015 11: 56
    +3
    That is, eat cheese and ... sit down, I'm sorry. If you are so good and fight with IS, indicate your position then. The coordinates that do not need to be bombed. Or else ... And then you sing the same song from the USA. Chet is suspicious.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 25 October 2015 11: 57
    +1
    "The Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia as long as it helps Assad."

    A concussion is simple. What, after this strumming Russia will surrender Assad and rush to the opposition?
  • raid14
    raid14 25 October 2015 11: 58
    +1
    They hoped to take Damascus with the bayonets of the Islamists, and seize power, probably the ministerial portfolios were already divided, but then Russia interfered. The integrity of the country is in danger, the "moderate opposition" sets conditions, I don't want to, I won't. If the Islamists seize power in the country, they will force everyone to want and do, otherwise sikir head off, alla I'm in the bar!
  • uladzimir.surko
    uladzimir.surko 25 October 2015 11: 58
    +2
    Woe and pichal, Putin cries and fights in hysteria! wassat
  • Zheka40
    Zheka40 25 October 2015 12: 01
    +2
    Who are you? The devils are cheap.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 25 October 2015 12: 38
      +1
      They have shaitans. And hell, they are ours, dear ...
  • gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 25 October 2015 12: 02
    0
    We shouldn’t plunge into the Sunni-Shiite confrontation. Assad is also not a paw, Kurds and Sunnis hate him fiercely, and Druze and Christians at least do not trust him, none of them want the previous regime in Syria, everyone wants a certain autonomy for their regions .Assad and Iran insist on the former state of affairs. We should not interrupt the dialogue with the Sunnis, we are not their enemies.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 25 October 2015 12: 08
      +4
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      We shouldn’t plunge into the Sunni-Shiite confrontation. Assad is also not a paw, Kurds and Sunnis hate him fiercely, and Druze and Christians at least do not trust him, none of them want the previous regime in Syria, everyone wants a certain autonomy for their regions .Assad and Iran insist on the former state of affairs. We should not interrupt the dialogue with the Sunnis, we are not their enemies.

      Yes, you need to wet everyone, and then we'll figure it out! No dialogue ..!
      1. Hello
        Hello 25 October 2015 16: 45
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Yes, you need to wet everyone, and then we'll figure it out! No dialogue ..!

        When all soak no one will deal with wink
      2. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 01: 11
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Yes, you need to wet everyone
        It’s impossible to all - there’s no one to fight with, but without small victorious ratings under the baseboard will fall.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 26 October 2015 19: 56
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          Quote: Uncle Joe
          little victorious

          This statement attributed to Nicholas II is often recalled, but it is not clear when he said it and if he said that it was not a fact, then in what context.
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 21: 35
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            Quote: Dart2027
            This statement attributed to Nicholas II is often recalled, but it is not clear when he said it and if he said that it was not a fact, then in what context.
            It seems that only you have met those who ascribe these words to Nikolai.

            “To keep the revolution, we need a small victorious war”

            Words of the Russian Minister of the Interior (since 1902) and the chief of the gendarmes Vyacheslav Konstantinovich Pleve (1846-1904) in a conversation (January 1904) with General Alexei Kuropatkin. V.K. Pleve had in mind the impending war with Japan.
            The former chairman of the Russian government, Sergey Witte, describes this dialogue in his memoirs (S. Yu. Witte, “Memoirs,” Publishing House of Socio-Economic Literature, M., 1960, v. 2):
            “When Kuropatkin left the post of Minister of War and the assignment of command to him to command the army has not yet been decided, he reproached Pleve that he, Pleve, was only one of the ministers who wanted this war and joined the gang of political swindlers. Pleve, leaving, said to him:
            - Alexei Nikolaevich, you do not know the internal situation in Russia. To keep the revolution, we need a small victorious war.
            Here is the state mind and insight ... "

            http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dic_wingwords/1429/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD
            %D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 26 October 2015 23: 06
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              Quote: Uncle Joe
              It seems that only you met those who ascribe these words to Nikolai

              School history course in the Soviet school. I can’t name a specific textbook, many years have passed, but I remember very well what.
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              To keep the revolution, we need a small victorious war

              In fact, then there was no revolution even in the project. And the role of Witte was quite dark.
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 00: 05
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                Quote: Dart2027
                remember perfectly
                It turns out that it’s not beautiful enough.

                In fact, then there was no revolution even in the project
                About the revolution of 1905 and its premises did not hear?

                And the role of Witte was quite dark.
                What is the role? In what?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 27 October 2015 19: 36
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                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  It turns out that not perfect enough

                  No, I remember. I remember. Only there, this phrase sounded a little different:
                  To restore the prestige of the autocracy we need a small victorious war
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  and its premises were not heard

                  They had to plan Bloody Sunday to make the revolution. At the same time, it is customary to blame Nicholas II for everything, but no one can clearly say, why was this necessary? If Gapon was a provocateur of the secret police, then, based on elementary common sense, this should have been coordinated with the tsar and furnished accordingly, and then the tsar left, and the people went. Stupid. And if we proceed from the fact that the purpose of the provocation was an attempt to provoke general anger, then everything is clear and logical.
                  They don’t usually speak about the fact that weapons and people trained in street fighting tactics from the air do not appear either.
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  What is the role? In what?
                  Or his position in negotiations with Japan, when he did his best to conclude a peace that was most beneficial to them.
                  For example, his monetary reform, which resulted in serious problems with the money supply.
                  1. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 28 October 2015 10: 01
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                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Only there that phrase sounded a little different
                    You will find this material confirmation - then we'll talk. At the moment, there is every reason to believe that either your memory or your imagination is failing you.

                    To make a revolution had to plan "Bloody Sunday"
                    Do not overdo the nonsense that Starikov writes.

                    The socio-economic relations that took place at that time did not suit anyone — neither peasants, nor nobles, nor workers, nor the bourgeoisie.
                    Adequate reforms did not follow, in connection with which the outcome is logical.

                    As for the provocations, it does not really matter whether Bloody Sunday was a provocation or not - it is important that it served not as a comprehensive reason, but as the last straw.

                    Or his position in negotiations with Japan, when he did his best to conclude a peace that was most beneficial to them.
                    For example, his monetary reform, which resulted in serious problems with the money supply.
                    What does this have to do with his reproduction of Pleve's words?
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 28 October 2015 19: 09
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                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      Socio-economic relations that have taken place

                      No socio-economic relations do not organize the delivery of weapons, which, incidentally, still need to be bought, training people in street fighting tactics, organizing supplies and a lot of working moments.
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      it doesn't matter if Bloody Sunday was a provocation or not

                      That is, the fact that the massacre was staged by the fighters against the "bloody regime" and not the tsar does not matter?
                      And I really read Starikov.
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      What does this have to do with his reproduction of Pleve's words?

                      Moreover, on the eve of the revolution, the people will not arrange a march to the king. So whether Pleve himself spoke these words is also a question, Witte wrote down this phrase, although according to his words it was spoken to Kuropatkin, who incidentally knew well the internal situation in the country, being more a business executive than a commander.
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 29 October 2015 19: 18
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        No socio-economic relations organize the delivery of weapons, which, incidentally, still need to be bought, training people in street fighting tactics, organizing supplies and a lot of working moments
                        What weapon? What are the street fights?

                        Do you live in parallel reality?

                        That is, the fact that the massacre was staged by the fighters against the "bloody regime" and not the tsar does not matter?
                        Not fighters with the bloody regime on January 9, 1905 shot at the demonstrators.

                        Even if the mass rallies were a kind of provocation (although in what part of these demonstrations the provocation was concluded, I positively do not understand), the tsarist troops organized the massacre, for which Nikolai was responsible.

                        Moreover, on the eve of the revolution, the people will not organize a march to the king
                        Do you ever think about the depth of the stupidity of your thoughts before you write something?

                        What is revolution? An event scheduled for a specific day and time?

                        A revolution is a cardinal positive (otherwise it is a counter-revolution) changes that are the result of any action; the moment from which these changes began to count.

                        Before the revolution, she has no eve.
                        There would be no action (rallies, strikes, processions to the tsar) - there would be no revolution (manifesto 17.10.1905/XNUMX/XNUMX, civil liberties, personal integrity, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and unions, parliament)

                        So did Pleve himself say these words too
                        In the topic and context in which I used this phrase, its authorship has no meaning.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 29 October 2015 23: 14
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        What weapon? What are the street fights? Do you live in parallel reality?

                        So you want to say that the revolution of 1905 was not accompanied by street battles, for example, on Krasnaya Presnya? And from what reality can you be curious?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        although in what part of these demonstrations the provocation is concluded I positively do not understand

                        Elementary - someone from the crowd or from the roof shoots at a soldier or just into the air and away we go.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Revolution is cardinal positive

                        You confuse the consequences (possible) with the process. Revolution is the process of achieving these changes by force. And no revolution falls off the ceiling. If the people were ready to begin the overthrow of the existing government, then the procession to the king to put it mildly strange. If the people did not want this, then the question is what happened?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        in which I used this phrase, its authorship has no meaning

                        If this phrase was invented by Witte, in order to kick his political opponent, by the way already dead, then the question arises, was it like that?
                      3. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 30 October 2015 03: 57
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So you want to say that the revolution of 1905 was not accompanied by street battles, for example, on Krasnaya Presnya?
                        Are you training in juggling, or are you really not friends with the thought process?

                        What does Presnya have to do with Bloody Sunday, which we are talking about? What street fights are we talking about?

                        Sunday became bloody at 11:30, when, near the Narva Gate, for no reason, the horse-grenadier detachment separated from the troops there, and bared its weapons crashed into the demonstrators, who, after that, rushed after the horse-drawn detachment towards the troops, after which they started shooting at the demonstrators.

                        At 12 o’clock, near Trinity Bridge, after negotiations of the demonstration delegation with one of the demonstration officers, fire was opened. After the demonstrators began to disperse, a detachment of lancers were sent in pursuit of them, which finished off the runners.

                        At about 12 o'clock on Vasilievsky Island, infantry and cavalry detachments began to beat demonstrators, trying to push them back. After this failed, an order was given to the Cossacks, who simply chopped down the demonstrators.
                        Only after that, a relatively small part of the demonstrators went to rob weapons workshops and build barricades, simultaneously disarming the met city workers - and so on everywhere.

                        So what is the delivery of weapons? what kind of training people? what provocation and who is the provocateur?
                        Are you in reality, well-paid by the Russian oligarchy, Starikov’s fantasies live?

                        Elementary - someone from the crowd or from the roof shoots at a soldier or just into the air and away we go
                        It’s elementary - by whom and where the shots from the crowd or from the roof were recorded on the cordon, and why this cordon (notice everywhere) does not wait for the secret police to shoot out the agents (their presence among the demonstrators is not even discussed), does not shoot on the roof, but opens heavy fire at the going in his direction to the unarmed crowd, after which the scattering crowd is chased and mounted on horseback by checkers?

                        You confuse the consequences (possible) with the process.
                        Dictionary open.

                        the question arises, was it like that
                        In this case, it does not arise, because it has nothing to do with urinating everyone.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 30 October 2015 17: 51
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Are you training in juggling, or are you really not friends with the thought process?

                        In fact, we are talking about the situation in the Republic of Ingushetia on the eve of the events of 1905 in general and the HF in particular.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Are you in reality, well-paid by the Russian oligarchy, Starikov’s fantasies live?

                        That is, having robbed several stores, random people without any training launched military operations as a result of which they had to use artillery and guards, and not only in the joint venture? And you didn’t hear about the ship with weapons that ran aground heading for the Republic of Ingushetia? So who paid for all this?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        do not wait for the isolation of the secret police who shot the agents

                        The then soldiers, Cossacks, and gendarmes are not the current riot police or SOBR. They were not trained to act in such situations.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Dictionary open

                        Context (from lat. Contextus - “connection”, “connection”) - a complete passage of written or oral speech (text), the general meaning of which allows us to clarify the meaning of the individual words, sentences, etc.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        This case does not arise, because it has nothing to do with urinating everyone.

                        If you are talking about Syria, then the expression about "small victorious war" has nothing to do with it either. But to kill all the "oppositionists" without trial, who and where very much even has.
                      5. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 31 October 2015 03: 04
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        In fact, we are talking about the situation in the Republic of Ingushetia on the eve of the events of 1905 in general and the HF in particular
                        Yes, two topics go in parallel.

                        However, in that part of the comments, where we are talking specifically about HF, and about nothing else - where did you say that KV was planned with the aim of organizing a revolution, that it was a provocation, that people trained in street fighting tactics took part in the demonstration on January 9, that they had some kind of weapons, that these people organized a massacre - after I asked questions about weapons and street fighting you jump from Petersburg to Moscow 11 months in advance.

                        What is it called?

                        That is, having robbed several stores, random people without any training launched military operations as a result of which it was necessary to use artillery and guards, and not only in the joint venture?
                        Not random, but the most active and furious actions of the troops, participants in workers' organizations and sympathizers for them.
                        They do not have any special training (it simply did not exist then, and even imbecile can use it with edged weapons, a revolver and a three-line gun).
                        No military operations were conducted on January 9 (only shooting at demonstrators).
                        Artillery was not used on January 9 (your historical knowledge is simply amazing).

                        So what is the provocation, what weapons, what street fights, and who organized the massacre?

                        And you didn’t hear about the ship with weapons that ran aground heading for the Republic of Ingushetia? So who paid for all this?
                        What does John Grafton, who carried weapons bought by the Socialist Revolutionaries and stranded on August 26, 1905, have any relation to the events taking place in St. Petersburg on January 9, 1905?

                        The then soldiers, Cossacks, and gendarmes are not the current riot police or SOBR. They were not trained to act in such situations.
                        On January 9, troops launched volleys on the Shlisselburg tract, at the Narva Gate, near the Trinity Bridge, on the 4th line and Maliy Prospect of Vasilyevsky Island, at the Alexander Garden, on the corner of Nevsky Prospect and Gogol Street, at the Police Bridge and on Kazan Square. According to police reports and military reports, the firing in all cases was caused by the reluctance of the crowd to obey the demand to stop or disperse.
                        During the day, several military shots were fired in different areas of the city, however, these shots were fired after the military attacked the crowd.
                        Several soldiers were beaten during the day, however not a single soldier died
                        Two policemen killed at the Narva outpost - Zholtkevich and Shornikov - were killed in volleys of the 93rd Infantry Irkutsk Regiment, as evidenced by eyewitness accounts, police reports and autopsy results (wiki)

                        Context
                        Now open the page with the word "revolution".

                        But to kill all the "oppositionists"
                        All is impossible - without a small victorious ratings under the plinth will fall.
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 31 October 2015 11: 00
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        was planned in order to make a revolution
                        Any doubts? Of course, ordinary workers were not dedicated to this.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        after I asked questions about weapons and street fighting you jump from Petersburg to Moscow 11 months in advance
                        Really? From the very beginning, when I spoke about street fighting, I mentioned the most famous in Moscow. Well, to arrange a provocation at a demonstration, a couple is enough and ... in which they put in simple revolvers.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        No fighting took place on January 9
                        But then they started. And at whose expense? Answer finally?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        however, these shots were fired after the military attacked the crowd
                        This is what raises questions.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Now open the page with the word "revolution".

                        The revolution is a complete revolution of the cosmic body, the term was introduced by Copernicus (“On the Rotations of the Celestial Spheres”, 1543)
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        All is impossible - without a small victorious ratings under the plinth will fall.

                        Well, to the great regret of all the fighters for the happiness of the people (like those who congratulated the Japanese emperor on their victories over RI), they are unlikely to crumble.
                      7. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 November 2015 03: 27
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Any doubts?
                        You have not brought a single fact that speaks in favor of your own statements, did not identify the provocateurs and the ways in which the provocateurs were able to raise the people.

                        Is it ?. From the very beginning, when I spoke about street fighting, I mentioned the most famous in Moscow
                        You're lying.

                        Dart2027 October 26, 2015 23:06 p.m. - Actually, there was no revolution then even in the project.

                        Uncle Joe October 27, 2015 00:05 - About the revolution of 1905 and its premises did not hear?

                        Dart2027 October 27, 2015 19:36 - To arrange a revolution had to plan Bloody Sunday. At the same time, it is customary to blame Nicholas II for everything, but no one can clearly say why it was necessary If Gapon was a provocateur of the secret police, then on the basis of elementary common sense, this should have been agreed with the king and accordingly furnished, and then the king left, and the people go. Stupid. And if we proceed from the fact that the purpose of the provocation was an attempt to provoke general anger, then everything is clear and logical.
                        The fact that weapons and people trained in street fighting tactics from the air do not appear also usually do not say
                        .

                        Fasha's phrase about armed people trained in street fighting tactics (assuming both the presence of trained people and the presence of fighting) refers specifically to HF, and there is not a word about Moscow in it.

                        Well, to arrange a provocation at a demonstration, it’s enough
                        You are shifting from empty to empty, trying to draw Starikov’s inventions to reality by your ears, while deliberately ignoring both the issue of personifying a provocateur (who are these provocateurs?) And the question of the reasons why a huge mass of people came to this demonstration (premises)

                        But then they started. And at whose expense? Answer finally?
                        "But" - does not channel, "but" - this is from the series "but they hang blacks".

                        So, conclusion number 1: your knowledge about the events that took place in St. ... ")

                        As for your question (at whose expense?), I will definitely answer - right after you justify the facts that the fighting started after the war (but after it began), which was a continuation of the war (you are in this part of your the comment was specifically about the HF, and therefore the jump in space and time from the HF to another, not related to the HF, the event is ordinary cheating)

                        This raises questions
                        It doesn’t cause me.

                        full revolution of the cosmic body, the term was introduced by Copernicus
                        The history of the term on Wikipedia is good, but you better look in the large encyclopedic dictionary.
                      8. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 1 November 2015 10: 58
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        did not identify the provocateurs and methods

                        And you do not know who brought the people there? Gapon. By the way, a curious fact - after he was taken out of the country, the Social Revolutionaries, and when he decided to return, the same Socialist Revolutionaries killed him. The question is why? They kill when there is a reason, for example, knew a lot.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        relates specifically to HF ...
                        ... (You in this part of your commentary spoke specifically about HF, and therefore a jump in space and time from HF to another event not related to HF, this is ordinary cheating)

                        If you read it carefully, you will see that in this passage we are talking about the revolution as a whole (in order to arrange a revolution), and the question about the militants was launched in a new paragraph after the question of KV. And by the way, they shot not only in Moscow.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        You pour from empty to empty

                        You shimmer from empty to empty, trying to draw the inventions of the then propagandists to reality by the ears.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        "But" - does not channel, "but" - this is from the series "but they hang blacks".

                        That is, there were no street fights (after KV, otherwise you get confused again)? And no one imported weapons in RI? So who paid for all this? Starving?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        As for your question (at whose expense?), I will definitely answer - right after you justify the facts that the military operations started after the KV (but after they started), which were a continuation of the KV

                        First, you require evidence that after the KB the databases started, then you yourself write that they started after.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The history of the term on Wikipedia is good, but you better look in the large encyclopedic dictionary.

                        Revolution is a radical transformation in any area of ​​human activity. In this case, the specific value is specified depending on the context. But only in none of these definitions is there an indication that it occurs from scratch. Any major change needs serious preparation.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        It doesn’t cause me.

                        If people go with the purpose of submitting a petition to the head of state, then why should they carry weapons with them? It was not the officers who came to the crowd for whom this could be considered a habit, but the workers who did not seem to need it.
                      9. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 2 November 2015 02: 07
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And you do not know who brought the people there? Gapon
                        Did he bring the people there on a leash? Forcibly drove into the columns? Or do people have nothing to do in the ranks of demonstrators?

                        The people, headed by Gapon, went to open the eyes of the "good" tsar to the situation caused by the actions of the bad "boyars" - what was the provocation?

                        By the way, a curious fact - after he was taken out of the country, the Social Revolutionaries, and when he decided to return, he was killed by the same Socialist Revolutionaries
                        Again knead everything in a heap.

                        Gapon returned to RI in November 1905, and was killed in late March - early April 1906 already in Russia.

                        The question is why? Kill when there is a reason, for example I knew a lot
                        Well? (I still hope that you stop pulling historical events out of the context of the historical process, start looking at the premises, and finally the obvious comes to you)

                        If you read carefully
                        I read very carefully and taking into account the nuances of spelling - you were talking specifically about HF (about militants it is written under a quote about HF, and without a conclusion to a new paragraph), and therefore you are lying again.

                        You are pouring from empty to empty, trying to draw the inventions of the then propagandists to reality by the ears
                        So call me a provocateur.
                        Gapon doesn’t roll, since at best he is just a performer, and no one provoked the troops shooting at the demonstration.

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        That is, there were no street fights (after KV, otherwise you get confused again)?
                        Did not have.

                        And no one imported weapons in RI?
                        They delivered it - the army, for example, bought Maxim machine guns.

                        So who paid for all this?
                        I’ll answer right away, as soon as you reveal to me a great secret - where in St. Petersburg were the battles after KV, directly connected with KV?

                        First you require evidence that after the KB the databases started, then you yourself write that they started after
                        This is your fantasy - I did not write such nonsense.

                        It was you who wrote about the fighting on January 09.01.1905, XNUMX.
                        Then, when I declared the incontrovertible fact of the absence of the database on January 9, in an attempt to save face, you started talking about some databases after January 9 (see my question above)

                        But only in none of these definitions is there an indication that it occurs from scratch. Any major change needs serious preparation
                        And the prerequisites for the start of such preparation are those prerequisites that you completely ignore.

                        If people go with the purpose of submitting a petition to the head of state, then why should they carry weapons with them?
                        Nobody dragged - revolvers (the demonstrators had no other weapons, and four shots were fired from them, if I remember correctly) at that time they were sold completely freely, and the person who owns the short-barreled gun carries it wherever it is forbidden.
                      10. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 2 November 2015 20: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The people, headed by Gapon, went to open the eyes of the "good" king
                        Which from the very beginning clearly stated that he would not meet with anyone. You can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place, if these people were not going to substitute?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Gapon returned in November 1905, and was killed in late March - early April 1906
                        AND? So what was the cause of the murder? Again nothing to say? I all hope that you will stop pulling historical events out of the context of the historical process, start looking at the premises, and finally the obvious will come to you.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I read very carefully and taking into account the nuances of spelling - you were talking specifically about HF (about militants it is written under a quote about HF, and without displaying in a new paragraph), and therefore you again lie

                        Truth? That is, the words "About that" go on the same line as "and it is logical"?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And if we proceed from the fact that the purpose of the provocation was an attempt to provoke general anger, then everything is clear and logical.
                        They don’t usually speak about the fact that weapons and people trained in street fighting tactics from the air do not appear either.
                        Do you even read your posts, huh?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Imported - army, for example
                        That is, the story of a ship with weapons, is news for you?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        It was you who wrote about the fighting on January 09.01.1905, XNUMX.
                        You are constantly trying to reduce everything to shooting during the KV in order to get away from the uncomfortable question of who paid for the hostilities that followed. Not on 09.01.05/XNUMX/XNUMX, but later, and not only in the joint venture, which has already been written to you more than once. I ask again - who paid and organized the weapons and training of those who shot at Krasnaya Presnya?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        those premises that you completely ignore
                        Even Lenin, in desperation, declared at the end of 1916 in Switzerland that the present generation would not survive the Russian revolution.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        and the person who owns the short barrel carries it wherever it is not prohibited.
                        Not prohibited. That's just why a simple worker needs a revolver. Somehow I do not remember that they were then massively armed.
                      11. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 3 November 2015 02: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Which from the very beginning clearly stated that he would not meet with anyone
                        Something your logic stalls.

                        There is a seemingly innocent king who is accused of everything, but this good king will not deign to descend to a huge number of people.
                        And then there seemed to be no revolution even in the project, but at the same time there was a petition supported by a huge number of people.

                        Do not notice the contradictions?

                        You can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place, if these people were not going to substitute?
                        Who was going to substitute whom? What is your version?

                        “We are going with 150 thousand people to the square to submit a petition to the supreme authority and will wait for a deputation, we will wait day and night; We will wait for an answer; we will wait with wives and children, and we will not disperse until our goal is achieved. ”
                        When asked what would happen if the king refuses to accept the petition, the priest replied: “Then we will tell the people everything, and we will make a revolution”

                        The people came out in the hope of a good king, because he was not tired of a good government.
                        Gapon led the people in complete confidence that everything would be ok (his connections allowed him to have such confidence).
                        But Nicholas was not only bloody, but still cowardly and putting everything on him - he dumped guns because of a shot, put it on the people, did not consider the petition even after the incident (such a good, not guilty king).

                        Attention, the question is: what socio-economic situation developed in the Republic of Ingushetia with such a wonderful king, and no less wonderful government?

                        So what was the cause of the murder?
                        Everything from personal revenge and execution for opportunism, to Gapon’s incriminating evidence on Witt, and attempts to discredit Witte in this way (in order to speak clearly there are not enough facts, but from the fact that you like some version she doesn’t becomes more real)

                        that is, the words "About that" go on the same line as "and it is logical"?
                        They come under a quote about KV, in the part of the commentary, which refers specifically to KV, in the same paragraph that refers specifically to KV, despite the fact that there are no explanations about the fact that they are not related to KV.

                        That is the story of the ship
                        What does this parachute have to do with HF?

                        I ask again - who paid and organized the weapons and training of those who shot at Krasnaya Presnya?
                        Once again I ask - where in St. Petersburg immediately after the military operations took place?

                        Answer this question, thereby ending with HF, and I will answer you who paid.

                        Even Lenin, in desperation, declared at the end of 1916 in Switzerland that the present generation would not survive the Russian revolution.
                        Lenin spoke of a socialist revolution, not a bourgeois revolution.

                        That's just why a simple worker needs a revolver. Somehow I do not remember that they were then massively armed.
                        Then, why and now injuries. Moreover, both then and now this was not a mass phenomenon (now the short-barrel is in the hands of a much larger number of ordinary citizens than then).
                      12. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 3 November 2015 18: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Something your logic stalls.
                        I asked a very simple question and I would like to get a simple answer - you can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place if these people were not going to substitute?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        They go under
                        That is, after all, a different paragraph.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Once again I ask - where in St. Petersburg immediately after the military operations took place?
                        You are constantly trying to reduce everything to shooting during the KV to get away from the uncomfortable question of who paid for the hostilities that followed. Not on 09.01.05/1905/1907, but later, and not only in the joint venture, which has already been written to you more than once. I ask again - who paid and organized the weapons and training of those who shot during the revolution of XNUMX-XNUMX?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Lenin spoke of a socialist revolution, not a bourgeois revolution.
                        That is, you acknowledge that in spite of the problems that were then then, there were no prerequisites for revolution?
                      13. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 3 November 2015 23: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        you can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place, if these people were not going to substitute?
                        I can not clearly answer unintelligible questions, the wording of which contains statements that are not true.

                        Gapon was not going to substitute anyone, and did not lure anyone anywhere.

                        Having reached agreement with all the points, the speaker read the final part of the petition, which said that the workers were ready to die at the walls of the royal palace if their demands were not fulfilled. Then he turned to the audience with the question: “Are you ready to stand up to these requirements until the end? Are you ready to die for them? Do you swear it? ” - And the crowd answered in unison: “We swear! .. We will die all as one! ..” Such scenes took place in all departments of the “Assembly”. According to numerous testimonies, the atmosphere of religious exaltation reigned in the departments: people cried, fought against the walls and vowed to appear in the square and die for truth and freedom. (Gurevich L. Ya. The Popular Movement in St. Petersburg on January 9, 1905 // Past. - SPb., 1906. - No. 1. - P. 195—223.)

                        Here, sovereign, our main needs with which we have come to you! Lead and swear to fulfill them, and you will make Russia happy and glorious, and you will imprint your name in the hearts of our and our descendants forever. But you will not command, you will not respond to our prayer - we will die here, in this square, in front of your palace. We have nowhere else to go and no reason! We have only two ways: - either to freedom and happiness, or to the grave. Point out, sire, any of them, we will follow it unquestioningly, even if this was the path to death. May our life be a sacrifice for suffering Russia! We do not feel sorry for this sacrifice, we willingly make it! (Petition of workers of St. Petersburg)

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        That is, after all, a different paragraph
                        That is, you continue to lie.

                        To highlight a paragraph of it, in addition to a new line, print from the red line, that is, they are indented vertically from neighboring paragraphs and / or indented.

                        You are constantly trying to reduce everything to shooting during the KV in order to get away from the uncomfortable question of who paid for the hostilities that followed. Not on 09.01.05/XNUMX/XNUMX, but later, and not only in the joint venture, as you have already been told more than once
                        I am trying to get from you either confirmation of your Words about the database during and immediately after the CV, or recognition of their fallacy.
                        We’ll find out where the databases were maintained in St. Petersburg, and immediately turn to the database at the end of 1905 and pay them.

                        But you, having frozen obvious stupidity, refuse to admit it - that’s why you’re spinning around trying to get away from the answer to my natural question.

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        That is, you acknowledge that in spite of the problems that were then then, there were no prerequisites for revolution?
                        I acknowledge your complete ignorance in half with meanness, encouraging you to constantly distort.

                        Having asked this question of yours, you again tried to distort, but again you got in the same way as with the statement about the database during the HF.
                      14. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 4 November 2015 12: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I can not clearly answer unintelligible questions, the wording of which contains statements that are not true.
                        And at the same time, everyone who led these departments knew very well that no one was going to meet with them. You can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place, if these people were not going to substitute?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        print from the red line, that is, separated by vertical indentation
                        Actually, I clarified several times that I’m starting a new paragraph with a new line, and I’m doing this so as not to turn the post into a towel.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I'm trying to get from you
                        Actually, you are trying by all means to get away from answering the question about the sources of financing of the revolutionaries of that time, and since you can’t come up with anything intelligible, you continue to cling to events in the joint venture, demanding that I confirm something that I haven’t approved, although I’ve told you more than once it was said.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I recognize your
                        complete illiteracy in half with meanness, encouraging you to constantly distort. But you, having frozen obvious stupidity, refuse to admit it - that’s why you’re spinning around trying to get away from the answer to my natural question.
                      15. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 5 November 2015 03: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And at the same time, everyone who led these departments
                        Guided by Gapon.
                        The demonstration was organized by Gapon.
                        Gapon contacted the authorities.
                        The “Meeting of Russian factory workers in St. Petersburg” (its modern counterparts, the air defense of Starikov and SV Kurginyan) was a legal organization funded by the authorities (that’s why Gapon was called a provocateur - his provocation was Zubatovschina).
                        The Bolsheviks, Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries had nothing to do with preparing the petition and demonstration.
                        Attempts by party agitators to prove the Zubatov essence of the Gapon organization were wasted - agitators were driven from meetings.
                        The demonstration and petition were initially approved by the authorities.

                        In short - stop talking nonsense.

                        You can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place, if these people were not going to substitute?
                        There is no point - there was no luring.

                        Circumstances developed in such a way that the regime showed itself in all its glory, exposing its cannibalistic essence.

                        All the same thing happened before:

                        in May 1901 the shooting of workers at the Obukhov plant;
                        in November 1902 the shooting of workers in Rostov;
                        in March 1903 the shooting of workers at the Zlatoust weapons factory;
                        in July 1903 the shooting of striking railway workers and a demonstration in Kiev;
                        in August 1903 the shooting of workers in Yekaterinburg;
                        in December 1904 the execution of workers in Baku ...

                        The difference between Bloody Sunday and other cases is that neither the military command, which acted mainly strictly in accordance with the charters, nor the authorities that gave permission to hold the demonstration, as well as the order to block this demonstration, did not take into account 2 factors - mass character, and that that the demonstration will be held in the capital, which means that they will learn about the incident throughout the country.

                        That's when they found out about what happened - this was the last straw for ripening discontent, which gave rise to the organization of widespread mass protests (you read the text of the petition - the situation in the country is described exactly there, as well as what the people wanted).

                        Actually, I clarified several times
                        Are you trying to convince me that the rules of the Russian language are for you on the drum?

                        You are actually trying
                        You answer my question to me, and I will immediately answer yours.

                        demanding that I confirm what I didn’t approve
                        That is what you claimed - you wrote to that confirmation.

                        complete illiteracy
                        And further down the line - that is exactly what I acknowledge regarding you.
                      16. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 5 November 2015 19: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        In short - stop talking nonsense.
                        This is you self-critical
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        There is no point - there was no luring.
                        So you can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place, if these people were not going to substitute?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Are you trying to convince me that the rules of the Russian language are for you on the drum?
                        Are you trying to convince me that you are not able to understand what is written in plain text? Oh well.

                        They had to plan Bloody Sunday to make the revolution. At the same time, it is customary to blame Nicholas II for everything, but no one can clearly say, why was this necessary? If Gapon was a provocateur of the secret police, then, based on elementary common sense, this should have been coordinated with the tsar and furnished accordingly, and then the tsar left, and the people went. Stupid. And if we proceed from the fact that the purpose of the provocation was an attempt to provoke general anger, then everything is clear and logical.

                        They don’t usually speak about the fact that weapons and people trained in street fighting tactics from the air do not appear either.


                        Once again, you are trying with all your might to get away from answering the question about the sources of financing of the revolutionaries of that time, and since you cannot come up with anything intelligible. So who financed? Hope to get a clear answer.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        that the regime has shown itself in all its glory, exposing its cannibalistic essence.

                        Novocherkassk 1962?
                      17. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 03: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So you can
                        The answer was given above.

                        Are you trying to convince me that you are not able to understand
                        I perfectly understood why I asked my questions.

                        Oh well.
                        For you - nothing good: the resulting last paragraph in its meaning directly refers to the previous paragraph (especially the word "too").

                        So who financed?
                        The big bourgeoisie and the bureaucracy and the aristocracy associated with it are the same gentlemen who subsequently accepted the abdication and arrested Nicholas and his family (the same Witte was probably directly involved).

                        Novocherkassk 1962?
                        The fire was opened after the attack on the cordon in order to acquire weapons.
                      18. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 6 November 2015 18: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The answer was given above.

                        Where? Quotes from Gapon’s speeches with which he lured people? You can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place, if these people were not going to substitute?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        the final paragraph within the meaning

                        You demanded to rewrite in accordance with the rules of spelling and I rewrote. Now trying to come up with a new excuse?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The big bourgeoisie and the bureaucracy and aristocracy associated with it

                        That is, you acknowledge that all the fighters with the then power were on salaries? Already good. It just doesn’t converge, because if in 1905 they wanted to overthrow the tsar, they would act like in 1917 and have achieved their goal. And in February 1917, when the tsar was overthrown, no Bolsheviks smelled. So who financed?
                      19. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 7 November 2015 02: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        You can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people
                        Come to consciousness smile

                        Uncle Joe November 5, 2015 03:14 There is no point - there was no luring

                        You demanded to rewrite in accordance with the rules of spelling and I rewrote
                        I suggested that you either admit that you were blown away (not for the first time, by the way - an attempt to draw upon Lenin’s words that it is most likely impossible to survive before the revolution, is a fine example), or name the time and place in St. Petersburg, where, starting from January 09.01.1905, XNUMX hostilities were fought.

                        That is, you acknowledge that all the fighters with the then power were on salaries?
                        They were financed, and did not sit on salaries, and I do not recognize, but I speak about this openly.

                        Uncle Joe November 2, 2015 02:07 I still hope that you stop pulling historical events out of the context of the historical process, start looking at the premises, and finally the obvious comes to you

                        It just doesn’t converge, because if in 1905 they wanted to overthrow the tsar, they would act like in 1917 and achieve their goal
                        This is a new word in political science. lol

                        We would like to overthrow the tsar in 1905 - they would act as in 1917 and achieve their goal.

                        We would like to hack the Fritz in 1941 - they would act as in 1945 and have achieved their goal.

                        We would like to put Putin in the place of Yeltsin in 1996 - we would act as in 2012 and have achieved our goal.

                        Well, ingenious laughing

                        So who financed?
                        Recover to consciousness.
                      20. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 7 November 2015 17: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Come to consciousness
                        You can finally clearly answer what is the point of luring people to a meeting that, in principle, could not take place, if these people were not going to substitute? Or did Gapon and the company want to expose themselves as empty chimes, having lost all authority?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Funded, not sat on salaries
                        Is there a difference? In any biography of the same Lenin, you can read how he lived for years abroad. At whose expense?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        We would like to hack the Fritz in 1941 - they would act as in 1945 and have achieved their goal.
                        If the level of SA in 1941 corresponded to 1945, then the war would have ended in 1942 maximum, and most of this time would have fought on foreign territory.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I offered you
                        admit that I spoke words that exist only in your attempts to get away from an uncomfortable question, trying by all means to get away from answering the question about the sources of financing of the revolutionaries of that time, because you can’t think of anything intelligible. So who financed?
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 25 October 2015 12: 19
    +3
    Quote: gabonskijfront
    We shouldn’t plunge into the Sunni-Shiite confrontation. Assad is also not a paw, Kurds and Sunnis hate him fiercely, and Druze and Christians at least do not trust him, none of them want the previous regime in Syria, everyone wants a certain autonomy for their regions .Assad and Iran insist on the former state of affairs. We should not interrupt the dialogue with the Sunnis, we are not their enemies.

    Well, how then to understand, well, that the Druze and Christians do not trust him, that about 200 thousand people are fighting on the side of B. Assad, or only Shiites support him. There is a war not between Shiites and Sunnis. And between Salafis and Muslims.
    1. Russiamoy
      Russiamoy 25 October 2015 17: 08
      +1
      all this is nonsense. it's just that "the powers that be" need this territory - that's all. and so in any state there are opposite nationalities or peoples. and this scenario is only in case of weakness of the state. Remember here the 90s. And then: "free Caucasus", in the north - "Siberian Republic" - passed. nothing new. and today there is peace, friendship, a united country. all the same. just there were people opposing and rebuffing. if not the patronage of the United States and Israel would no longer exist. this is the lot of small countries. the law of the jungle, like 1000 years ago, the strongest survives. no democracy, no politics, no international legislation - all vanity and verbiage
  • Proud.
    Proud. 25 October 2015 12: 31
    +7
    Quote: gabonskijfront
    Assad is also not a paw, Kurds and Sunnis hate him fiercely, and the Druze and Christians at least do not trust him, none of them want the former regime in Syria, everyone wants a certain autonomy for their regions. Assad and Iran insist on the former situation. things. We should not interrupt the dialogue with the Sunnis, we are not their enemies.

    It’s good that it’s not a paw. The paw would have been pulled up, even fig knows how many years ago. The paws are absolutely NOT tenacious. Especially in the East. And if all of those listed by you hate and dislike Assad, then how does the government army of SAR exist? should have already self-destructed. Or do you believe that Assad discovered the secret of the "philosopher's stone", and pays the fighters one kg. Pure gold a day? For loyalty. Yes, and the Kurds, are fighting heavy battles with ISIS and militants from the Free Syrian Army (FSA). For a long time, the Kurds talked about the need to remove President Bashar al-Assad and even fought against government forces. The situation has changed, aided by the skillful diplomacy of the Syrian government. For the Kurds, Assad is more profitable than the opposition. Then we'll see if Assad will keep his promises. It’s not grateful to guess. Yes, and we do not know what was discussed in his negotiations with the Kurds. And yet ... Where did you get that change " regime ", will spill on the listed" manna from heaven "? Do you really think that the puppet, hand ... e, put by the amers" government "will benefit everyone except the amers themselves? Yeah ... Well, yes ... Of course.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 25 October 2015 12: 51
      +2
      Assad is more profitable for the Kurds than the opposition.

      One can only assume that in Moscow the Kurdish topic was discussed with Assad.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 25 October 2015 14: 10
        0
        Quote: Turkir
        Assad is more profitable for the Kurds than the opposition.

        One can only assume that in Moscow the Kurdish topic was discussed with Assad.

        So the question of Kurdish autonomy seems to have been resolved since 2011. If I’m wrong, I apologize.
      2. voronbel53
        voronbel53 25 October 2015 15: 28
        0
        Quote: Turkir
        One can only assume that in Moscow the Kurdish topic was discussed with Assad.

        No, Assad flew in with Putin to eat pancakes, watch a TV set, gossip, choke on a thousand verst-jelly ...
  • anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 25 October 2015 12: 35
    +1
    absolutely all terrorist attacks on the territory of our country were carried out by Sunnis
  • pirate
    pirate 25 October 2015 12: 06
    +1
    We just have different goals. Our place is to help restore order in a country friendly to us and destroy what deer have done from across the ocean. They have to solve the task set by the owners to destroy their country.
  • Proud.
    Proud. 25 October 2015 12: 06
    +2
    "... a representative of the Free Syrian Army, Ahmad Saud, told the channel's correspondent ..." - What a talking surname!
  • troy
    troy 25 October 2015 12: 10
    +1
    there is a legally elected government, and there is nobody (a branch of the CIA). they never cooperated with us. only force leads them to cooperate ... successful hits vks !!!!!!!!!
  • Million
    Million 25 October 2015 12: 10
    +1
    Weapons on the ground and arms up! Then maybe we'll talk
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 25 October 2015 12: 42
      +1
      I wonder how it will sound there ... I fantasize ..
      -Kalash land, hand of heaven ...
      1. Million
        Million 25 October 2015 12: 49
        0
        it’s possible). But first, it’s better to bang around the perimeter for completeness of sensations. Although they still have full sensations, if they are ready for negotiations
  • shark913
    shark913 25 October 2015 12: 11
    +2
    Well then, the opposition will be a thing of the past.
  • am808s
    am808s 25 October 2015 12: 13
    +2
    The Syrian opposition is the fifth column of Syria! A kind of liberals dreaming of Western "values". They will try these "values" by fleeing to Europe.
  • koksalek
    koksalek 25 October 2015 12: 13
    +2
    Skillfully and beautifully, the Russian side placed everyone on its sides showing true faces and true goals. The main thing to be the first to make a move
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 25 October 2015 12: 16
    +3
    For their part, the United States and Saudi Arabia declared their intention to strengthen support for the moderate opposition.
    “Both sides noted the importance of mobilizing the international community to support this goal and reiterated the need for a (political) transition without the participation of (President of Syria Bashar) Assad. They promised to continue and intensify support for the moderate Syrian opposition while a political settlement is underway, ”the State Department said after a meeting between John Kerry and King of Saudi Arabia Al Saud.


    An interesting statement. The Saudis' campaign with the Americans still has an idea of ​​aggravating the confrontation with Russia. It seems to be the expected direction, but it causes wariness. This "couple" will actively interfere with the establishment of stability in the region. There is a feeling that the Yankees are planning to drag out the conflict in order to wear us down.

    Something like that, colleagues. hi
  • botsman80
    botsman80 25 October 2015 12: 16
    +2
    ... the one who is not with us is against us ... with all the consequences ...
  • rosstov
    rosstov 25 October 2015 12: 20
    +2
    Apparently, as in the case of Iraq, Uncle Sam hinted to them in plain text - you will be with Russia, we will refuse our invaluable American support, we will not give residence permits to your leaders as they flee from Syria, well, no, figuratively speaking, cookies. .
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 25 October 2015 12: 21
    +2
    And Russia was so tanned, so saddened, honor would have been offered, a woman with a cart, a mare easier.
  • INF
    INF 25 October 2015 12: 23
    +2
    Nurses dismissed. Do not write in my pot ...
  • gg.na
    gg.na 25 October 2015 12: 24
    +3
    Our business is to offer (to cooperate) - their business is to refuse! No and no! No and no trial! They don’t want and don’t! But ... who did not hide we are not to blame! wassat
  • Қarabas
    Қarabas 25 October 2015 12: 28
    +4
    "The Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia as long as it helps Assad," "The United States will stop supporting Iraq if he asks for help from Russia" ... Some kind of kindergarten!
  • imugn
    imugn 25 October 2015 12: 30
    +1
    Something seems to me, ours will be able to agree with most opposition members who are fighting against ISIS
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 25 October 2015 12: 31
    0
    A spokesman for the Free Syrian Army, Ahmad Saud, told a channel correspondent
    So, one lit up. Banging means. Who else of the moderate do not cooperate?
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 October 2015 12: 34
    +1
    As you know, the conditions are dictated by the winners! Or the law is not written to fools? The Syrian opposition is some kind of words. Where is it? And if ISIS completely took Syria, then who would have stuttered about the opposition at all. And now someone is giving a voice from the garbage.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 25 October 2015 12: 35
    11
    Zhirinovsky burns!))))
    1. Frigate
      Frigate 25 October 2015 13: 44
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Zhirinovsky burns!))))


      Yes, what skill means!)
  • Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 12: 36
    +4
    This is not some kind of Syrian opposition. For in the terrible years of the war and the dominance of terrorism, the most difficult economic situation, only degenerates and foreign puppets will tear the country apart by internal conflicts and political clashes, fighting against their own army, which is forced to spend forces on two fronts, for the sake of foreign carriages.
  • Turkir
    Turkir 25 October 2015 12: 37
    +5
    Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia

    Donkeys give out long ears.
    This statement suggests that the "Syrian opposition" is fighting against Assad, and not against ISIS.
    Are they Syrians? I’m sure not.
    Syria is in ruins, and these "patriots" created by the US State Department are only interested in the seizure of power.
    This statement of the "opposition" only leads to this conclusion - they are an empty shell.
  • anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 25 October 2015 12: 38
    +3
    let Allah in the next world sort and who is moderate who is nusra who is igil and the task of our VKS is to speed up their meeting
  • pts-m
    pts-m 25 October 2015 12: 43
    +1
    this moderate opposition behaves like a capricious prostitute (lies under the hood). I want it, but I don’t want it. After the Russian missiles that penetrate it into a certain place, I have already begun to moo something inaudible. Then you can see it can be fixed, and not the correction is treated only by cutting off the thinker.
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  • BOB044
    BOB044 25 October 2015 12: 47
    +2

    “Both sides noted the importance of mobilizing the international community to support this goal and reiterated the need for a (political) transition without the participation of (President of Syria Bashar) Assad. They promised to continue and intensify support for the moderate Syrian opposition while a political settlement is underway, ”the State Department said after a meeting between John Kerry and King of Saudi Arabia Al Saud.
    So this opposition will disappear under the blows of the Russian Aerospace Forces. It turns out that they do not need this Syria. They do not want to cooperate with us, so they will cooperate with ISIS. Then they will be destroyed.
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  • slaw14
    slaw14 25 October 2015 12: 50
    +1
    The opposition is paid by the sheikhs. No sheikhs - no opposition.
  • Awaz
    Awaz 25 October 2015 12: 51
    +5
    here it is such an opposition This is certainly not Syria, but along the way Iraq, but still.
    you should pay attention to the victims of the author of this video ...
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 October 2015 21: 25
      -1
      Nice voice acting, good singing.
  • vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 25 October 2015 12: 51
    +1
    Who is not with us is ISIS. Fact.
  • win
    win 25 October 2015 13: 06
    +3
    Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia


    According to other sources, they recently reported that they are offering Russia negotiations in Cairo.
    How many free armies and opposition are there?
    In every gang? And agree with everyone?
  • roskot
    roskot 25 October 2015 13: 21
    +1
    There are no slightly pregnant, as there are no moderate and immoderate. They are simply torn to power. They are afraid not to catch the last car.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 25 October 2015 13: 22
    +2
    Quote: vitaliy.rnd
    Who is not with us is ISIS. Fact.

    Offer of cooperation, ours knew that there would be a refusal. And now the whole world sees that they are ISIS.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 25 October 2015 13: 41
      +2
      But what the refugees say, which, as the "opposition" claims, is genocide "evil" Assad, of course there are victims from his army, but they cannot be compared with the atrocities of IS, Al-Nusra and other "opposition".
  • mamont5
    mamont5 25 October 2015 13: 40
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    Syrian opposition will not cooperate with Russia while it helps Assad
    Well, okay! What a trouble.

    It would be suggested. And so - do not be offended if the "present" arrives.
  • galakt
    galakt 25 October 2015 13: 57
    +3
    The Syrian opposition, that sandstorm, it is everywhere. After being beaten by ISIS terrorist units, they immediately turned out to be the Syrian opposition. Yusiye can speak as much as he wants on behalf of the virtual Syrian opposition and roll out his conditions on the mountain. These are all words, show them and give the opportunity to chat with her.
  • slaw14
    slaw14 25 October 2015 14: 08
    +1
    The article is not accurate - the Syrian opposition themselves proposed to Russia negotiations, the meeting will take place in Cairo.
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      1. Siberian
        Siberian 25 October 2015 18: 10
        +1
        And some parts of the SSA have already made a decision to join the SA troops. There, apparently, various clans of terrorists, opposition and adherents. They themselves are not familiar with each other. All against everyone.