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Kremlin stars - 80 years

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Kremlin stars - 80 years

80 years ago, 24 October 1935, the first five-pointed star was installed on the Spasskaya Tower of the Moscow Kremlin. Until 1935, the spiers of the Kremlin towers were decorated with heraldic double-headed eagles. The first double-headed eagle was hoisted on the top of the tent of the Spasskaya Tower in the 17th century 50. Later, the Russian coat of arms was installed on the highest travel towers of the Kremlin - Nikolskaya, Troitskaya, Borovitskaya. In October, 1935, five-pointed stars appeared over the Kremlin instead of the two-headed royal eagles.


The first five-pointed star was installed in 1935, it changed the eagle on the Spasskaya Tower. Then they hoisted the stars on the Nikolskaya, Borovitskaya and Troitskaya towers. Then, when replacing the stars in the 1937 year, the fifth star appeared on the Vodovzvodnaya tower, where before that the state symbols were not located.

For the first time, the double-headed eagle was placed on the high tent of the Spasskaya Tower back in the kingdom of Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich Tishayshy (1645-1676). Previously, the Kremlin towers carried only military function, they did not have tent roofs and upper decorative tiers. Only during the reign of Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich, the Spasskaya Tower was built on to install a clockwork. Under Alexey Mikhailovich, on the top of the tent of the stone superstructure of the Spasskaya Tower appears the coat of arms of the Russian kingdom - the two-headed eagle. Its appearance and description are not preserved.

By the beginning of the XIX century, the eagles were already on Spasskaya, Nikolskaya, Troitskaya and Borovitskaya travel towers. They were changed from time to time because of disrepair, fires, or changes in the image of the state emblem. As a result, by the beginning of the twentieth century, four double-headed eagles were towering over the Moscow Kremlin, which were installed at different times, made by different craftsmen, and differed significantly from each other. The oldest was the eagle on the Trinity tower. It was installed in the 1870 year and consisted of separate parts. Therefore, when mounting it was collected directly on the tent spire. When it was removed in 1935, it had to be disassembled on the spot. The last update of the eagles took place in 1896 year and was timed to the solemn ceremony of the wedding to the realm of the last emperor Nicholas II.

It is clear that in Soviet Russia they immediately wanted to change the main symbols of the state. During the Civil War, this proposal was made by the head of the Soviet government, Vladimir Lenin. However, in the conditions of many high-priority affairs and economic ruin, this wish of the Bolshevik leader was not fulfilled. This problem was returned only to the relatively stable 1930s, when industrialization was in full swing in the country. There were several proposals for replacing the coat of arms with simple flags, like on other towers, with the emblems of the USSR, gilded emblems with a sickle and a hammer. But in the end they decided to install the stars. 23 August 1935 was adopted by the Council of People’s Commissars and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) to replace the old characters with new ones. Immediately after this, a TASS report was released: “... by November 7 1935 to remove the 4 eagle on the towers of the Kremlin wall and the 2 eagle from the building of the Historical Museum. By the same date it was decided to install five-pointed stars with a sickle and a hammer on the towers of the Kremlin. ”

Sketches were first developed by the artist EE Lancere. However, Joseph Stalin did not like his work. As a result, Lancere was removed from the project and the development of stars was given to the artist F. F. Fedorovsky. The project was approved personally by Stalin.

New stars showed Muscovites in October in the Park of Culture and Rest. Gorky. After dismantling the double-headed eagles, they 23 October were also demonstrated to the citizens in the park. October 24 metal star with a crossed sickle and a hammer was raised to the Spasskaya Tower. The operation was quick and took less than an hour: the beginning of the ascent at 12 hour. 40 min., Installation on a special vane mechanism - in 13 hour. 30 min. October 25 star appeared on the Trinity Tower, and by October 27 stars were hoisted on the Nikolskaya and Borovitskaya towers.

The first stars of the towers of the Moscow Kremlin were made of high-alloyed stainless steel and red copper. The weight of the steel bearing frame, lined with metal sheets and decorated with Ural stones, reached tons. In the middle of each star, Ural gems (rock crystal, amethysts, alexandrites, topazes and aquamarines) laid a sickle and a hammer covered with gold. All stars differed from each other in decoration. Thus, the rays of the Trinity Star were decorated with ears. For Borovitskaya tower produced a double star. The simplest was a star on the Nikolskaya Tower, the rays of which were made of polished metal. They made stars in two Moscow factories and in TsAGI workshops.

Illuminated from below by searchlights, the first stars decorated the Kremlin for about two years. However, under the influence of atmospheric precipitation, both the Ural semi-precious stones and gold leaf, which covered the metal parts, became dull. In addition, the stars were disproportionately large, which was not detected at the design stage. After installing them, it turned out that visually the characters do not completely harmonize with the slender tents of the Kremlin towers. Large stars literally suppressed the architectural ensemble of the Moscow Kremlin.

Therefore, already in 1936, they decided to design new stars. Sketches prepared by the famous artist and decorator, academician F. F. Fedorovsky. He was the one who had the idea to use special ruby ​​glass instead of metal for decorating star rays. Fedorovsky redefined the shape, size and pattern of stars.

In May, 1937 was decided to establish the twentieth anniversary of the Great October Revolution on five Kremlin towers, including the Vodovzvodnaya, ruby ​​stars. And Stalin personally decided to install such a star on the fifth Kremlin tower, Vodovzvodnaya. The industry was given the task of welding ruby ​​glass. State order received the Donbass plant. The problem was that never before in such quantity ruby ​​glass was produced in Russia. In addition, according to the specification, the glass should have a different density, pass the red rays of a certain wavelength, and be resistant to sudden temperature changes.

Special ruby ​​glass, which met the requirements, was invented by N. Kurochkin, who made the first sarcophagus for the mausoleum of V. I. Lenin. For Kremlin stars, 500 square meters of special three-layer ruby ​​glass were welded. For uniform and bright illumination of the entire surface of the star, unique incandescent bulbs with power from 3700 to 5000 watts were made, and to protect the stars from overheating, the specialist made a special ventilation system. Ruby stars on the five towers of the Kremlin lit 2 November 1937 of the year. The star, which in 1935-1937 was located on the Spasskaya Tower of the Moscow Kremlin, was later installed on the steeple of the Northern River Terminal.

The stars of the Moscow Kremlin double glazing: inside - milk glass, outside - ruby. The weight of the stars is very significant - about a ton. The ruby ​​stars on the towers of the Kremlin are of various sizes, since the fortress towers have different heights. This idea was proposed by Fedorovsky. As a result, the stars looked the same from the ground. At the Vodovzvodnoy beam span of three meters, on Borovitskaya - 3,2 meters, on Trinity - 3,5 meters, on Spasskaya and Nikolskaya - 3,75 meters.

The bearing structure of the stars is a spatial frame, which rests at the lower base on the pipe, and the bearings for rotation are located in it. As a result, the stars can rotate as the wind changes. The design can withstand a hurricane. The mechanisms for servicing the Kremlin stars are located inside the towers. Special lifting devices provide an opportunity to periodically perform technical work on cleaning the internal and external surfaces of stars from dust and soot. Mechanisms replace blown bulbs within 30-35 minutes. Control of equipment and mechanisms is concentrated at the central point, where information about the lamp operation mode is automatically supplied.

The ruby ​​stars on the towers of the Kremlin burn day and night. Even during the war they were not turned off, but covered with covers. Overhaul and reconstruction of stars were made in 1945 and 1974. For all history they extinguished only once, when in the Kremlin in 1996, they shot an historical film. These are the stars we see over the Kremlin today. Restoration work began in 2015.
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  1. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 24 October 2015 06: 45 New
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    for 35 years old - a real wonder of the world created with the use of advanced technologies at that time! I read that the Kremlin Chimes were supposed to beat off the "Internationale", but this idea was abandoned due to its complexity and the Chimes got the battle that we hear to this day
    1. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 24 October 2015 07: 49 New
      +5
      Let the Kremlin Stars shine in fear at the enemies of Russia!
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 24 October 2015 08: 13 New
        15
        Kremlin stars are 80 years old!
        I just want to remember the feat, it’s a feat! Builders who covered with plaster without damaging the images of saints on the towers of the Kremlin! Talented and bold.
        1. VOLCHOXURAL
          VOLCHOXURAL 24 October 2015 09: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Observer2014
          Kremlin stars are 80 years old!
          I just want to remember the feat, it’s a feat! Builders who covered with plaster without damaging the images of saints on the towers of the Kremlin! Talented and bold.

          Yeah, they managed, inventively! Although, for example, I am an opponent of interfering with power and religion, nevertheless they should be separate, in connection of course, but not the same! not because I'm an atheist myself, but in general. Power should be more universal, cold-blooded, separate from religious prejudices, somewhere rigid, and somewhere not religiously valuable (to our enemies, of course)!
          And yet, in our country, not only Orthodoxy, let’s the Kremlin be decorated with symbols of all the faiths of our country? Well, so, by the way of course)))
          1. navigator
            navigator 25 October 2015 21: 35 New
            -1
            "And yet, we have not only Orthodoxy in our country, then let’s decorate the Kremlin with the symbols of all confessions of our country? Well, by the way, of course)))"

            One question. And was not only Orthodoxy 1000 years old? And how many of your stars were 80? Long term! Did you teach the history of your homeland? Well, by the way, of course))), WOLCHONOKSURAL.
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 24 October 2015 09: 04 New
        +8
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Let the Kremlin Stars shine in fear at the enemies of Russia!

        We will be! drinks
        1. goncharov.62
          goncharov.62 24 October 2015 16: 03 New
          +4
          Ruby glass for these stars was brewed in Vyshny Volochek, Tver region, at the Krasnomaysky glass plant. There is no more of this plant - "sawed up" and destroyed the former mayor's comrades. One has already glued the flippers on someone else's woman in Turkey this summer, the other fits - the kidney is waiting, bitch. Like this...
          1. Peterhof 73
            Peterhof 73 24 October 2015 21: 44 New
            +3
            But I, as Peterhofsky, are pleased to realize that lamps for stars (or rather ruby ​​prisms) were made in Peterhof at the Precision Technical Stones plant (later the Petrodvorets Watch Plant). Who loves the "Raketa" watch, plus. (I still prefer them) Many relatives and friends worked at this plant until in the early 90s the Jewish democrats grabbed it. By the way, on Japanese money of competitors (Citizen), the collapse of production was organized. There is now the Raketa shopping center with a shaverma. Here's a story.
            "On the march, the platoons are equal.
            Humming under the feet of the earth.
            Our native plants are behind us.
            And the red stars of the Kremlin! "
            (March of the Defenders of Moscow 1941)
            1. Manul
              Manul 25 October 2015 00: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Petergofsky73
              Many relatives and friends worked at this plant,

              drinks I’ve been from the CPC in practice there! Well, for the Stars!
              1. Peterhof 73
                Peterhof 73 25 October 2015 16: 14 New
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                good
                Quote: Manul
                Quote: Petergofsky73
                Many relatives and friends worked at this plant,

                drinks I’ve been from the CPC in practice there! Well, for the Stars!


                For them!
      3. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 24 October 2015 09: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Let the Kremlin Stars shine in fear at the enemies of Russia!

        Well ... for the anniversary drinks
        1. Karabanov
          Karabanov 24 October 2015 12: 11 New
          13
          There has recently been an article about Kremlin stars ... I can’t add anything new, I’ll just repeat myself as a museologist by education:For me personally, stars on the tower are preferable to eagles.
          But disposing of old imperial symbols is probably not the wisest decision. It could well be given to the museum ...
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 24 October 2015 12: 40 New
            +4
            Quote: Karabanov
            But disposing of old imperial symbols is probably not the wisest decision. It could well be given to the museum ...

            Maybe it’s for the better, otherwise in the 90s they could have been returned to their place.
            1. Karabanov
              Karabanov 24 October 2015 12: 58 New
              +2
              Frantic patriots that on the one hand, that on the other - in bulk ... Stars shine, and thank God! (but the eagles also stood guard over the fatherland).
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 24 October 2015 13: 12 New
                0
                Quote: Karabanov
                The stars are shining, and thank God! (but the eagles also stood guard over the fatherland).

                There is still something left, oddly enough. As they had not noticed before, it is unclear - to see God saved.
                1. Karabanov
                  Karabanov 24 October 2015 13: 29 New
                  +1
                  It’s nice to have a conversation with you ... And then some are likened to - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbaK0UTaYo
      4. RUSS
        RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Let the Kremlin Stars shine in fear at the enemies of Russia!

        Eagles are better for me!
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 24 October 2015 09: 52 New
      +4
      Foreign Ministry building, built in 1953 - Stalin's skyscraper, the building had a star, but under the Minister of Foreign Affairs Kozyrev and on his orders the star was removed from the spire, now Kozyrev lives in the United States and crap Russia from there. The most interesting thing on our Internet is NO STAR IMAGES. The request from anyone to lay out this image on the topic.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 24 October 2015 12: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: War and Peace
        . The request from anyone to lay out this image on the topic.

        According to the project, the spire should not be, the star was removed due to problems with the strength of the structure.
        Initial project.
        1. 16112014nk
          16112014nk 24 October 2015 14: 46 New
          +2
          EMNIP, this star is located on the spire of Moscow State University.
          1. War and Peace
            War and Peace 24 October 2015 16: 25 New
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            Quote: 16112014nk
            EMNIP, this star is located on the spire of Moscow State University.


            no it's not that ...
        2. War and Peace
          War and Peace 24 October 2015 16: 24 New
          0
          According to the project, the spire should not be, the star was removed due to problems with the strength of the structure.



          according to the project, it shouldn’t, but then there was a spire and there was a star for half a century, they hid it so that you can’t even find the image, apparently something is hidden and something ...
        3. Karabanov
          Karabanov 24 October 2015 23: 43 New
          0
          There is such an interpretation
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 October 2015 16: 41 New
        +5
        High-rise on the barricade
        Quote: War and Peace
        . The most interesting thing on our Internet is NO STAR IMAGES. The request from anyone to lay out this image on the topic.

        Stars are present only in six of the seven Stalinist skyscrapers, since the spire on the Foreign Ministry building was too fragile and could not stand the installation. All stars are of various sizes and shapes and are made of different materials.
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 24 October 2015 19: 31 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          High-rise on the barricade
          Quote: War and Peace
          . The most interesting thing on our Internet is NO STAR IMAGES. The request from anyone to lay out this image on the topic.

          Stars are present only in six of the seven Stalinist skyscrapers, since the spire on the Foreign Ministry building was too fragile and could not stand the installation. All stars are of various sizes and shapes and are made of different materials.


          there was a star on the mid, information from neta was emasculated ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 24 October 2015 21: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: War and Peace
            there was a star on the mid, information from neta was emasculated ...

            so I provided you with a photo of the Soviet period, pay attention to the photo document))) drinks
            1. War and Peace
              War and Peace 25 October 2015 07: 05 New
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              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: War and Peace
              there was a star on the mid, information from neta was emasculated ...

              so I provided you with a photo of the Soviet period, pay attention to the photo document))) drinks


              this photo is fake, the star was ...
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 25 October 2015 14: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: War and Peace
                this photo is fake, the star was ...

                See

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  2. Name
    Name 24 October 2015 06: 48 New
    +1
    Far East, but seeing THIS, PRIDE IN THE SOUL, FOR RUSSIA! Nothing about Moscow ... repeat
  3. SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 24 October 2015 06: 58 New
    +3
    I wonder if Lanceray survived after the failed offer? Years after all "harsh" came.
    And the stars on the towers - I like it!
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 24 October 2015 09: 03 New
      +6
      Serge Boss.Artist E.E. Lanceray remained alive and in 1943 received the Stalin Prize of the 2nd degree. He died in 1946.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 24 October 2015 07: 08 New
    13
    I remember from childhood: Kremlin stars burn over us, Their light comes everywhere! The guys have a good homeland, and better than that homeland no!
  5. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 24 October 2015 09: 00 New
    +4
    Add a little about the best friend of the Russian elephant:

    To the right of the entrance to the park of the Museum of Socialist Art in the Bulgarian capital Sofia is the original red star - a symbol of socialism and communism in the People's Republic of Bulgaria, which from 1954 to 1984 years towered over the Party House - the seat of the Central Committee of the Bulgarian Communist Party in the center of Sofia.

    The red star No. 1 was placed on the tower of the Party House in Sofia in 1954. Decision No. 648 of the Central Committee of the BKP from 25 on July 1984 approved the design and installation of a new star - the so-called “Star No. 2”. Her project was based on the design of the Kremlin stars in Moscow. The purchase, delivery and installation of the new star were carried out by the Bulgarian foreign trade organization Tekhnoimportexport.

    Star No. 2 is made of synthetic ruby. According to the design estimates of Soviet specialists, its diameter should have been 3 meters, its supporting part (spire) should have a height of 2 m, and its weight should not exceed 1,2 tons. In fact, the star was made with a diameter of 2,5 m. Bulgarian designer - professor of architecture Ivan Ivanchev. The maximum thickness in the center was 700 mm. Inside the star was supposed to be a light source with a power of 5000 watts. The luminous flux was distributed evenly through all facets by a volume refractor from the mirrors. The individual facets were 800 by 300 mm. The star was designed for operation at an air temperature of −27,5 оС to + 37,4 оС.

    Gold plating of a ruby ​​star was made at the Kommuna factory in Sopot, Bulgaria. The equipment was brought from the USSR. The know-how, production, packaging and additional equipment of the star, ordered in the USSR, cost 573 246 rubles. Another 14 643 rubles were budgeted for additional transportation and installation costs. [2]

    By the decision of the 39 congress of the Bulgarian Socialist Party, this star was removed from the tower of the Party House, and the flag of Bulgaria was installed in its place. Asen Panayotov, one of the leaders of the Bulgarian Socialist Party, recalls:
    “We took it off in 3 minutes, somewhere around 9 in the morning of 4 on October 1990. The helicopter transferred it to the field near the village of Dolni-Bogrov. At 5 hours the next morning, we loaded it onto a trailer of a military truck and returned it to the Party House. Due to its large size, it fit only in the garage of Todor Zhivkov. To enter the garage door, I had to lower the truck tires. We removed the gilded details of the finish of the case and transferred them under the protocol to the Bulgarian National Bank. About 2 kg of gold was obtained from them. The glass was laminated, technical, there were no rubies there. It was also filmed. The steel frame remained in the garage and was probably scrapped.
  6. Steppe
    Steppe 24 October 2015 09: 09 New
    -26
    negative Down with these star imposed on us by foreign revolutionaries and traitors! Long live our original two-headed eagles!
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 24 October 2015 09: 24 New
      -10
      In fact, the diving falcon, not the two-headed mutant, should be considered primordial.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 25 October 2015 12: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Darkness
        In fact, the diving falcon, not the two-headed mutant, should be considered primordial.

        The diving falcon is a symbol of the Scandinavian Varangians, and about the mutant .. what can I say your next vyser and not respect for the symbols of the country.
    2. Comrade Bender
      Comrade Bender 24 October 2015 09: 31 New
      +9
      Actually - this is our history and works of art and architecture!
    3. Talgat
      Talgat 24 October 2015 10: 25 New
      13
      No need to erase and destroy history and memory! especially since this is a memory of a not the worst period in the history of our common country. The post-war USSR is a great achievement of the peoples and leadership of the country. The true heir to the Horde and Tsarist Russia,

      And it should be noted that a huge part of the population both in Russia and in other republics is nostalgic for the Soviet Union, for justice, and for the highest level and quality of life

      The USSR, as it were, completely died - it lives in the hearts and minds of hundreds of millions of people of Eurasia - and not only members of the Communist Party

      Celebrating the victory of May 9 in all republics, monuments to Soviet soldiers, the names of ships in honor of Soviet admirals - there are so many signs that there is nothing to list
      1. Mercury
        Mercury 24 October 2015 11: 50 New
        -3
        here it wasn’t necessary for them to remove eagles. eagles were not a symbol of the country. Why should we not honor the devout builders of towers and the Russian people whose symbol the eagles have been for hundreds of years
    4. Mercury
      Mercury 24 October 2015 11: 18 New
      -6
      I agree, with all due respect to the army, after all, this remains its symbol, but the Communists were god-fighters and instead of eagles they came up with the idea of ​​making a satanic pintogram a symbol of the country so that the people worship and honor
    5. Karabanov
      Karabanov 24 October 2015 12: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Steppe
      Down with these star imposed on us by foreign revolutionaries and traitors! Long live our original two-headed eagles!

      Get fucked up! Dude, you made my day laughing
    6. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 24 October 2015 15: 10 New
      +5
      Why don’t you, wrestlers with history, live quietly?
      Twice in the last century, symbols have changed; Remember what this case was accompanied by?
  7. Aleksander
    Aleksander 24 October 2015 09: 15 New
    -8
    For the first time, a double-headed eagle was placed on the high tent of the Spasskaya Tower back in the reign of Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich Tishishiy (1645-1676).


    The Russian coat of arms in the form of double-headed eagles stood almost over the Kremlin 400 years! BUT they blinded someone with a black eye (C). It's time to return them to the Kremlin towers, where they have been for centuries. And I hope they will be for centuries.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 24 October 2015 09: 22 New
      -1
      Why do you quote the words from the song of Russophobe Talkov?
    2. Mercury
      Mercury 24 October 2015 11: 29 New
      -5
      a loved one needs the names Spasskaya Troitskaya combined with this satanic pintogram. The communists ruined our history why we should endure their symbols
      1. The point
        The point 24 October 2015 16: 04 New
        +7
        Oh, Russophile, and you write illiterate. In my opinion, a loving Motherland should not neglect its language. Put forward tips of a universal scale, but you cannot do without mistakes. I am ashamed.
        1. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 24 October 2015 16: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Maksud
          Oh, Russophile, and you write illiterate. In my opinion, a loving Motherland should not neglect its language. Put forward tips of a universal scale, but you cannot do without mistakes. I am ashamed.

          Literacy is not in vogue today. sad
          1. pv1005
            pv1005 24 October 2015 21: 14 New
            +1
            Another victim of the exam. fool
          2. Mercury
            Mercury 24 October 2015 21: 25 New
            +3
            I apologize for the errors. I worked all day and the phone is buggy from poor communication.
        2. Manul
          Manul 25 October 2015 00: 25 New
          -1
          Quote: Maksud
          Oh, Russophile, and you write illiterate. In my opinion, a loving Motherland should not neglect its language. Put forward tips of a universal scale, but you cannot do without mistakes. I am ashamed.

          The pictogram is visible from the words pint and grams. lol
          Quote: Mercury
          it is necessary for a loved one to name the Spasskaya Troitskaya themselves combined with this satanic

          And the black-yellow-white flag has existed, if I am not mistaken, only 38 years old. And his presence on the avatar, is it a hint of commitment to this coloring? Do we also need to change the flag?
      2. Mercury
        Mercury 24 October 2015 21: 20 New
        +1
        here my phone got stuck a few words got lost. I wanted to write that towers with such names cannot be crowned with such a symbol.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Aleksander
      For the first time, a double-headed eagle was placed on the high tent of the Spasskaya Tower back in the reign of Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich Tishishiy (1645-1676).


      The Russian coat of arms in the form of double-headed eagles stood almost over the Kremlin 400 years! BUT they blinded someone with a black eye (C). It's time to return them to the Kremlin towers, where they have been for centuries. And I hope they will be for centuries.

      They will definitely be, like the burial of Lenin!
  8. kvs207
    kvs207 24 October 2015 09: 44 New
    11
    For me, the ruby ​​stars of the Kremlin have always been a symbol of my country - the USSR, and I was proud of it.
    1. Mercury
      Mercury 24 October 2015 11: 34 New
      -6
      I also did not yet know that this was an act of desecration of the shrine as in other things and the destruction of the temples that people built half their lives.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 24 October 2015 11: 51 New
        +6
        It was now that churches were built, and many research institutes were destroyed, then it is surprised that rockets are falling, planes are falling. Also the Bolsheviks are to blame?
        1. Karabanov
          Karabanov 24 October 2015 12: 33 New
          +2
          I agree with you. The current Russian Orthodox Church is a rather vile education. The fact that people feel the need for faith does not give these hypocrites the right to play on their feelings, but nevertheless they use it.
      2. The point
        The point 24 October 2015 16: 07 New
        +5
        By the way, for many who lived at that time, these stars were shrines. And many even sacrificed their lives with these symbols.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: kvs207
      For me, the ruby ​​stars of the Kremlin have always been a symbol of my country - the USSR, and I was proud of it.

      Are you proud now?
  9. Sars
    Sars 24 October 2015 10: 35 New
    -14
    Stars are not a symbol of Russia - it is the most important symbol of the home-masons who seized power - a sign of Satan. And when do Jews like Kozyrev fight with their symbols?
    On Red Square there is another symbol of the home-masons - the mausoleum, built according to the proportions of the throne of Satan.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 24 October 2015 10: 49 New
      +6
      House-masons, defeated fascism ???, flew first to space ??, created the best education and industry in the world, medicine ??? The symbol is not important, but the things that were accomplished with it are important.
      1. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 24 October 2015 22: 08 New
        +1
        House-masons, defeated fascism ???,

        Yudomasonov was so robust under Stalin. Those who under the guise of "proletarian revolution" mocked the Russian people and Russian culture (very many) paid with their own lives for it. The last "prominent comrades" were leaned against the wall at the very beginning of the War. So, it was not the Jewish Masons who determined the Victory in the War. And our people fought with stars on the flag and with a cross on their bodies. And to which people the world owes its deliverance from the darkness, we know from the famous toast of Marshal I.V. Stalin, uttered by him in honor of the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945 under the red stars of the Kremlin:
        "I drink for the RUSSIAN PEOPLE!"
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        first flew into space ??,

        Yes first, only half of the country in the 60s had a toilet on the street, cars in turn and the same refrigerators and televisions are almost a luxury especially in the countryside.
    2. The point
      The point 24 October 2015 16: 22 New
      +8
      Yes, it became fashionable after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The mass of rotten "comrades", not at the call of the heart, but out of opportunistic considerations, began to tear up party cards, to disown Soviet symbols. This can now be seen in some of the most European of European countries. But back to our rams. Now it is not so fashionable, but the next bursts can still be traced. They still continue to shit on Soviet symbols, on the achievements of those times, but these are inseparable phenomena.
      1. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 24 October 2015 21: 38 New
        +3
        I agree with you. If "people" easily change their party membership card and ideals in life, which they "defended" in the old days, then this says only one thing, that they are moral urges, ready to betray both the Motherland and the people, for their own benefit and a warm position.
    3. Manul
      Manul 25 October 2015 00: 33 New
      0
      Quote: SarS
      Stars are not a symbol of Russia - it is the most important symbol of the home-masons who seized power - a sign of Satan.

      Of course, only bad deeds can happen under the stars. It's all about choosing the right character. (Enlarge - open in a new tab)
  10. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 24 October 2015 11: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: Steppe
    negative Down with these star imposed on us by foreign revolutionaries and traitors! Long live our original two-headed eagles!


    For me personally, the red star and the red flag are more familiar and understandable. I do not understand eagles and the modern flag.

    And when on New Year's Eve, I begin to demand a star on the Christmas tree, they look at me like an idiot laughing
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 24 October 2015 11: 27 New
      -1
      A red flag with a sickle and a hammer is at least clear what it means. What do the colors on the flag of Russia mean, I personally do not know ...
      1. DarthVedro
        DarthVedro 24 October 2015 20: 56 New
        -4
        Vodka is white, the sky is blue, erysipelas are red
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: DarthVedro
          Vodka is white, the sky is blue, erysipelas are red

          This is where you are, it is these "Russians" I am ashamed especially in the resorts! With a red face and fumes!
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        A red flag with a sickle and a hammer is at least clear what it means. What do the colors on the flag of Russia mean, I personally do not know ...

        How old are you, young man?
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        . What do the colors on the flag of Russia mean, I personally do not know ...

        Hard case.
    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 24 October 2015 11: 28 New
      -4
      Quote: The Cat
      And when on New Year's Eve, I begin to demand a star on the Christmas tree, they look at me like an idiot

      The Christmas tree is decorated with a star of Bethlehem, so it has been customary in Russia for centuries.
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    4. Mercury
      Mercury 24 October 2015 11: 36 New
      0
      a generation is growing in Ukraine that doesn’t remember the truth of true history and believe that proto-Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Mercury
        a generation is growing in Ukraine that doesn’t remember the truth of true history and believe that proto-Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea

        Not quite so, of course they turned it down about the Black Sea, no one there believes in it, one blurted out in Ukraine, and our media and social networks picked up and inflated, you listen to what our home-grown "Aryans" write about Russia and the Slavs, and so there general frenzy!
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: The Cat
      For me personally, the red star and the red flag are more familiar and understandable. I do not understand eagles and the modern flag.


      Take it as a fact, modern symbols of Russia have a centuries-old history and traditions.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 25 October 2015 19: 26 New
        -1
        So what do the colors on the Russian flag mean, where is their official interpretation ???
  11. moskowit
    moskowit 24 October 2015 11: 23 New
    +9
    Just yesterday I learned that the star of the original project is intact, and crowns the spire of the River Station in Khimki ...
    1. Karabanov
      Karabanov 24 October 2015 12: 38 New
      +2
      Curious!
  12. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 24 October 2015 12: 58 New
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    Quote: Mercury
    a loved one needs the names Spasskaya Troitskaya combined with this satanic pintogram. The communists ruined our history why we should endure their symbols

    It's time to pass the law on insulting the feelings of unbelievers. You got with your lamentations about "commies" "evil pentagrams" and other nonsense. The communists have done more for the country than the tsarist clowns in 200 years. And the five-pointed star was in tsarist Russia (see photo). In Soviet Russia, it meant the unity of the world proletariat of all five continents of the Earth, the five ends of the star - the five continents of the planet. Red is the color of the proletarian revolution, it was supposed to unite all five continents with a single goal and a single beginning. The Great Soviet Encyclopedia gave the following interpretation to this symbol: "... a red five-pointed star ... is a symbol of the ultimate triumph of the ideas of communism on the five continents of the globe ...". Thus, the red star is the sign of the Comintern. The symbol was based on the ideas of the world revolution, the world Soviet republic and the world dictatorship of the proletariat.
    1. navigator
      navigator 24 October 2015 23: 14 New
      0
      "" ... a red five-pointed star ... is a symbol of the ultimate triumph of the ideas of communism on the five continents of the globe ... ".

      And how, communism triumphed on five continents?

      "Thus, the red star is the sign of the Comintern. The symbol was based on the ideas of the world revolution, the world Soviet republic and the world dictatorship of the proletariat."

      Can you tell me where and when this symbol came from - the sign of the Comintern?
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Eugene30
      Thus, the red star is a sign of the Comintern. The symbol was based on the ideas of the world revolution, the world Soviet republic and the world dictatorship of the proletariat.

      The photo that you attached to your comment (star with an eagle) -falsification is already proven!
  13. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 24 October 2015 13: 13 New
    +6
    Quote: Mercury
    I also did not yet know that this was an act of desecration of the shrine as in other things and the destruction of the temples that people built half their lives.


    You singled out a newsreel, how do people rejoice when they blow up churches? Maybe not without reason? They just got all the priests, as they started to get now.
    The ex-churches, where the museum has been located for 80 years, are forcibly taken away, and they do not care that the museum will not exist, that the exhibits may perish, the main thing is to grab an expensive piece of land for free, instead of (if necessary) build another one. They climb into school, with their "foundations", into a secular institution, into politics, they drive Mercedes cars, they don't pay taxes.

    Quote: Mercury
    a generation is growing in Ukraine that doesn’t remember the truth of true history and believe that proto-Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea

    And how are you different from them, pouring mud on our past?
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 24 October 2015 13: 50 New
      +3
      Nothing. And he probably studied not in the Soviet "satanic" school, but apparently in the tsarist theological seminary.
    2. navigator
      navigator 24 October 2015 23: 35 New
      +1
      How many lies in one comment.


      "The ex-churches, where the museum has been located for 80 years, are forcibly taken away, and they do not care that the museum will not exist, that the exhibits may perish, the main thing is to grab an expensive piece of land for free, instead of (if it is really necessary), build another."

      Why not build another museum? Who took the building from whom for free on an expensive piece of land? When the icons were chopped down, burned, didn’t give a damn that "exhibits" were dying?

      "They climb into school, with their" foundations "

      Each student visits, if he wants, on a voluntary basis.

      "they climb into a secular institution, into politics"

      In which, who got into politics?

      "they drive Mercedes cars,

      Need to ride horses or donkeys?

      "taxes are not paid."

      Having gone too far, taxes are paid at the rates of organizations and enterprises. It's a shame not to know such things. Do not choke on saliva from hatred.
  14. Mercury
    Mercury 24 October 2015 15: 12 New
    -4
    No one wrote about the Soviet encyclopedia about what a star means and why on the towers named after God it is a five-pointed and not eight seven or ten-pointed star. But alright, there’s no point in fighting for the symbols of the country they won’t change anyway and they’ll not bury Lenin until the state wakes up the idea and not the mess of post-communism, pseudo-democracy and patriotism.
    Sorry about communism, I will speak more rejoicingly about the system that dispossessed our family, killed the neighbors of my ancestors and lost more people in 20-30 years than under the tsar not in 200 but in 800 years. And then on ...
    I don’t water anyone with mud, it was just and we should not forget about the catastrophe for Russia that communism arranged. And the fact that the people all the same rebuilt the country after the world, it would have been with a different system.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 24 October 2015 15: 29 New
      +2
      Communism dispossessed ?? And nothing at all, under your beloved monarchy, the people until 1861 were in the position of slaves, at the level of domestic dogs, or even worse.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Communism dispossessed ?? And nothing at all, under your beloved monarchy, the people until 1861 were in the position of slaves, at the level of domestic dogs, or even worse.

        Collective farmers were given passports only under Khrushche, and they were also like serfs, only assigned not to the master, but to a certain collective farm, in fact, almost the same serfs, and sometimes receiving a salary not in full, part of the salary was replaced by workdays "sticks".
  15. Mercury
    Mercury 24 October 2015 15: 42 New
    -7
    I studied in a Russian school later in the Cadet Cossack Corps in Semyria, and I didn’t have a chance to overcome sinners, but I had the will and time to study history more deeply than what was in Soviet textbooks. Everyone sees the truth as much as he can. And if you do not notice point-blank that communism at first instilled Satanism and cut the farm for the farm in order to remove dissent, this does not give others the right to talk about what they noticed. At the expense of the feelings of unbelievers, I have no words what am I atheists hurt I talked about people who knew that God is they did so that the children did not see and did not know anything about God because they would not resist
  16. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 24 October 2015 16: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: Mercury
    No one wrote about the Soviet encyclopedia about what a star means and why on the towers named after God it is a five-pointed and not eight seven or ten-pointed star. But alright, there’s no point in fighting for the symbols of the country they won’t change anyway and they’ll not bury Lenin until the state wakes up the idea and not the mess of post-communism, pseudo-democracy and patriotism.
    Sorry about communism, I will speak more rejoicingly about the system that dispossessed our family, killed the neighbors of my ancestors and lost more people in 20-30 years than under the tsar not in 200 but in 800 years. And then on ...
    I don’t water anyone with mud, it was just and we should not forget about the catastrophe for Russia that communism arranged. And the fact that the people all the same rebuilt the country after the world, it would have been with a different system.

    Leave Lenin alone, the more you live in the USA. Better fight there for the demolition of the Grant Mausoleum. As for dispossession: it was necessary. In tsarist Russia, for example, food was also taken, it was called the surplus appraisal, not to mention the annual hunger, terrible illiteracy and complete lack of rights of the population. As for your family personally, I have certain doubts that your ancestor is a fist. And if the fist, then dispossessed him rightly, because Neher to profit from someone else's misfortune. But most likely your ancestors had one cow, which subsequently ended up in the collective farm herd from which your ancestors also fed. And these are not fists. And about the number of victims, your statement is very curious. Please share the numbers of billions of tormented, just interesting. As for the stars again. That it was in different nations (including, as I already said the Russian Empire), and meant a MASTER from evil forces. In the USSR, it symbolized five continents.
    1. Mercury
      Mercury 24 October 2015 17: 39 New
      -3
      Preserved this paganism Russia in those years was an Orthodox state and officially could not have these amulets. In the south, there was no serfdom from here and love for freedom, but this did not prevent the Cossacks from faithfully serving the sovereign and the fatherland. in peacetime, there was a farm, there were a lot of cattle and birds in each hut. Then came the Leninists, who were Maidan Germanic Marxism, came and slaughtered the dissenters (as it is now partially in Ukraine), and then they took the grain and cattle so that it seemed to you in the middle lane that communism is good God and the king peas. I’m not going to the USA, I don’t want to go to where the rights of atheists triumph and attack the Christians .. Lenin himself bequeathed to be buried but the Satanists had to be made so that he seemed holy so that, by anology with the incorrupt remains of the saints, the people thought that this German deserter was a great man and did a lot for the country.
  17. Sars
    Sars 24 October 2015 16: 29 New
    0
    Most of our population has porridge in their heads. Lenin is a saint, Trotsky and Sverdlov cherubs. Pentograms (stars) - divine signs.
    And one of the fans of red stars can say why the symbol of the American army is a white star?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      why is the symbol of the american army a white star?

      But really, why?
  18. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 24 October 2015 16: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: The Cat
    And when on New Year's Eve, I begin to demand a star on the Christmas tree, they look at me like an idiot

    The Christmas tree is decorated with a star of Bethlehem, so it has been customary in Russia for centuries.



    In my childhood there was a red five-pointed star. I want her too smile
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 19: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: The Cat
      In my childhood there was a red five-pointed star. I want her too

      Nostalgia? This goes away with age, though not all.
  19. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 24 October 2015 16: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: SarS
    Most of our population has porridge in their heads. Lenin is a saint, Trotsky and Sverdlov cherubs. Pentograms (stars) - divine signs.
    And one of the fans of red stars can say why the symbol of the American army is a white star?

    Lenin is not a saint, but made a huge contribution to our history. And only dill and other downs are fighting with monuments and mausoleums. And what's the difference in what color the star is? It can be at least sulfur-boromaline. The essence of the matter does not change. We have it red, because the flag was red, and red is the color of the Revolution. The star does not change its significance from this. Moreover, it meant the idea of ​​five continents, where it would be desirable to spread the power of the proletariat. How does it bother you? Moreover, it was now painted under Coca-Cola. You should have departed from the heart. And I don’t. My ancestors went into battle with her.
  20. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 24 October 2015 17: 19 New
    +4
    If only 8000 years have shone in the sky!
  21. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 24 October 2015 21: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: Mercury
    Preserved this paganism Russia in those years was an Orthodox state and officially there could not be these amulets.
    Yah? Now we are far from a monarchy and there is neither a Finnish principality nor a Polish kingdom in Russia, only the emblem is a two-headed eagle with a scepter and power and three crowns on its head ..... And yes, what do you think the star in the Russian Empire meant ?

    Quote: Mercury
    We had no serfdom from here in the south and love for freedom, but this did not prevent the Cossacks from serving the sovereign and the fatherland faithfully. in peacetime, there were a lot of livestock and poultry in every hut
    How old are you and where did you find this nonsense? :-)

    Quote: Mercury
    Then the Leninists, who were Maidan by German Marxism, came and slaughtered the dissenters (as it is now partially in Ukraine), and then they took away grain and cattle so that it seemed to you in the middle lane that communism was good, there wasn’t God and the king was peas.
    Where is the evidence that the "Leninists" were "German Maydanuts"? Is it okay that half of the tsarist officers and almost half of the generals and the majority of the people went over to the side of the Bolsheviks? And the backbone of these same Bolsheviks were precisely the nobles. As for the "selection" of grain, have I already talked about the surplus appropriation in the Empire? As for the Bolsheviks, they had to solve those problems that the tsarist authorities could not solve for at least 90-100 years. As for "cutting out" dissidents, there were more than enough of them. Where did you come from?

    Quote: Mercury
    I’m not going to the United States, I don’t want to go to where the rights of atheists triumph and attack Christians ..
    Stop pouring, your IP gives you away.

    Quote: Mercury
    Lenin himself bequeathed that he should be buried, but the Satanists had to do so that he seemed holy, so that by anology with the imperishable remains of the saints, the people thought that this German deserter was a great man and did a lot for the country.
    Lenin was not any German arrogant, and yes, he did a lot for the country, for example, educational program, GOERLO, etc. What did you do?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Eugene30
      Lenin was no German zealot, and yes, he did a lot for the country, for example, educational program

      Thanks to Lunacharsky, not to Lenin.

      In 1920, the Council of People's Commissars adopted a decree establishing the All-Russian Extraordinary Commission on the Eradication of Illiteracy (Cheka literacy program), the decisions of which were binding. It was formed to implement the decree on the eradication of illiteracy, adopted in 1919, and in the 1920-1930s led the education of illiterate and illiterate students. He was in charge of the affairs of this commission by the People's Commissar of Education Anatoly Lunacharsky
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 25 October 2015 13: 56 New
        -2
        Quote: RUSS
        Managed the affairs of this commission, people's commissar of education Anatoly Lunacharsky

        He was in charge of business Lunacharsky, because he was a specialized people's commissar, and you cling to particulars ... and contradict yourself
        Quote: RUSS
        In 1920 year Council of People's Commissars passed a decree establishing

        Exactly COUNCIL, since it was Soviet power and no one issued any "decrees" alone.
        As for Vladimir Ilyich, he clearly expressed himself: "Study, study and study .."
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Eugene30
      Lenin was no German meanness, and yes, he did a lot for the country, for example, educational program, GOERLO,


      According to some sources, the preparation of a large-scale electrification project in Russia was carried out even before the 1917 revolution German engineers who worked for the St. Petersburg Electric Company, on the assumption that during the First World War (1914-1918) it was impossible to start implementation due to large military expenses. According to other sources, the foundation of GOELRO was the operating time created in 1916 the year of the Department of Energy of the Academic Commission for the Study of Natural Productive Forces of Russia (KEPS), transformed in 1930 into the Energy Institute of the USSR Academy of Sciences.

      And you say Lenin ....
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 25 October 2015 17: 20 New
        -3
        Quote: RUSS

        According to some sources,

        a..ha..ha .. By somem sources .. laughing and the people lived in valleys, with bull bubbles on the windows instead of glass, with earthen floors, thatched roof and cattle in the same room, without the slightest prospect of improving life ...
        You, my friend, read Gilyarovsky, he just described the life of the priest-priest described.
        Quote: RUSS
        And you say Lenin ....

        I don’t even say, I affirm!
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 25 October 2015 17: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Stroporez
          and the people lived in valleys, with bull bubbles on the windows instead of glass, with earthen floors, thatched roof and cattle in the same room, without the slightest prospect of improving life ...

          Until now, the Russian village lives without natural gas, without normal electricity networks, without roads, schools and hospitals, and so on, very few people have fled from the village and are still running.
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  22. RoTTor
    RoTTor 24 October 2015 22: 48 New
    0
    "The Earth begins, as you know, from the Kremlin!"
    And no other way!
  23. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 13: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: navigator
    How many lies in one comment.


    "The ex-churches, where the museum has been located for 80 years, are forcibly taken away, and they do not care that the museum will not exist, that the exhibits may perish, the main thing is to grab an expensive piece of land for free, instead of (if it is really necessary), build another."

    Why not build another museum? Who took the building from whom for free on an expensive piece of land? When the icons were chopped down, burned, didn’t give a damn that "exhibits" were dying?

    "They climb into school, with their" foundations "

    Each student visits, if he wants, on a voluntary basis.

    "they climb into a secular institution, into politics"

    In which, who got into politics?

    "they drive Mercedes cars,

    Need to ride horses or donkeys?

    "taxes are not paid."

    Having gone too far, taxes are paid at the rates of organizations and enterprises. It's a shame not to know such things. Do not choke on saliva from hatred.

    In my comment there is no hatred and lies, unlike yours.

    If there are such sanctuaries in the church, then why are they likened to those who, in their opinion, destroyed the churches? They were destroyed by the people. A church that positions itself today as something spiritual, moral, and correct could help raise money and build a new building for the museum if it needs the former church land. Or is it right for you to demand that it’s not yours, sparing either museum exhibits or the memory of those in whose honor they were created? Or do you think the destruction of the church and the loss of church utensils is a tragedy, but the destruction of museums, the loss of exhibits is normal? What are priests guided by, if not financial gain?

    School, this is a secular institution and there is no place for clowns in a cassock. Voluntarily they can go to church educational institutions, but not to secular ones. They climb into politics, pouring mud on our history and distorting its understanding, glorifying all sorts of people like the bloody Nikolashka 2.

    As for Mercedes, it somehow does not fit with the image of the ascetic servants of God, do not you find it? Riding horses is certainly not that age, but where does the money for such expensive things come from, and most importantly why? You can, after all, something simpler. You are still a cult minister, not a businessman.

    Yes, taxes, that's cool, can you tell me what percentage and from what income? Was there a tax on vodka trade?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 25 October 2015 13: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Eugene30
      Was there a tax on vodka trade?

      so they imported cigarettes without duty.
  24. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 13: 33 New
    -2
    Quote: navigator
    "" ... a red five-pointed star ... is a symbol of the ultimate triumph of the ideas of communism on the five continents of the globe ... ".

    And how, communism triumphed on five continents?

    "Thus, the red star is the sign of the Comintern. The symbol was based on the ideas of the world revolution, the world Soviet republic and the world dictatorship of the proletariat."

    Can you tell me where and when this symbol came from - the sign of the Comintern?

    That is, the fact that the ideas of social justice and equality have not triumphed, but on the contrary, all social gains are destroyed, is this good for you?

    You can google it, a star generally comes to us from antiquity and means different things for different peoples, in the USSR he started the famous 5 continents, and what's the difference where he came from? This is our symbol, under which our ancestors built, fought, and they went into battle with it. And on armored vehicles and airplanes, a red star with a white window-shaped star looks much better than its Coca-Cola version.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 13: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Eugene30
      And on armored vehicles and airplanes, a red star with a white window-shaped star looks much better than its Coca-Cola version.

      You put it - there will not be a "cocacol" version, it will be monophonic -
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 25 October 2015 14: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: RUSS
        will be monophonic

        It seems to me you are cunning, they just accepted the pepsikolny option!
        The five-pointed star, as a symbol of the Russian army, has a long history. The Mars star was used in the tsarist Russian army; in 1827, Nicholas I introduced the wearing of stars on the epaulettes of officers and generals. The five-pointed red star from the very beginning became a symbol of the Red Army and remained the main army badge until June 19, 2014.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 25 October 2015 14: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          It seems to me you are cunning, they just accepted the pepsikolny option!

          Originally yes, but now they have changed
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 25 October 2015 14: 28 New
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            Originally yes, but now they have changed

            I have no such information request
            But it’s possible, otherwise they would get sick of pepsi suing laughing
            both of them have nothing personal, just a business yes
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 25 October 2015 14: 42 New
              0
              Quote: Stroporez
              But it’s possible, otherwise they would get sick of pepsi suing

              More likely not with Pepsi, but with the Amerikosovsky market
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  25. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 13: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Eugene30
    And on armored vehicles and airplanes, a red star with a white window-shaped star looks much better than its Coca-Cola version.

    You put it - there will not be a "cocacol" version, it will be monophonic -

    And what, is it your way better?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 14: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Eugene30
      Quote: RUSS
      Quote: Eugene30
      And on armored vehicles and airplanes, a red star with a white window-shaped star looks much better than its Coca-Cola version.

      You put it - there will not be a "cocacol" version, it will be monophonic -

      And what, is it your way better?

      For me it’s better - the far left upper option
  26. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 14: 08 New
    -1
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    Communism dispossessed ?? And nothing at all, under your beloved monarchy, the people until 1861 were in the position of slaves, at the level of domestic dogs, or even worse.

    Collective farmers were given passports only under Khrushche, and they were also like serfs, only assigned not to the master, but to a certain collective farm, in fact, almost the same serfs, and sometimes receiving a salary not in full, part of the salary was replaced by workdays "sticks".

    Another Solzhenitsyn-like nonsense. It's okay that before the Revolution the peasants also did not have passports, and the absence of them in the 50s and 60s is not an evil deceit of evil communists, but the legacy of the Empire? There were huge difficulties with certification, for Nicholas II did not deign to engage in public education, to build institutions for issuing passports in the villages. This is what the Bolsheviks had to do. And yes, it's strange that in the absence of passports, 2 million people ended up in cities and at great construction sites, and in general the percentage of urbanization was off scale? Is it from the lack of rights of the peasants? In the Empire, one must understand that all the peasants had rights? :-) Well, if their master does not repulse them at the stable, then you are lucky. With regard to workdays, then "for sticks" were given specific products, OVER the collective farm salary. Before writing your comments, please read the subject.

    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Eugene30
    Lenin was no German meanness, and yes, he did a lot for the country, for example, educational program, GOERLO,


    According to some sources, the preparation of a large-scale electrification project in Russia was carried out even before the 1917 revolution German engineers who worked for the St. Petersburg Electric Company, on the assumption that during the First World War (1914-1918) it was impossible to start implementation due to large military expenses. According to other sources, the foundation of GOELRO was the operating time created in 1916 the year of the Department of Energy of the Academic Commission for the Study of Natural Productive Forces of Russia (KEPS), transformed in 1930 into the Energy Institute of the USSR Academy of Sciences.

    And you say Lenin ....


    Of course, Lenin. No, of course we liberals and other ignoramuses always prove that the war was won in defiance of Stalin, that GOERLO in defiance of Lenin and other nonsense. But who, if not Lenin, as head of state, decided to introduce the GOERLO? Lunacharsky certainly well done, a hero, etc. but without the political decision of the top leadership, there would be nothing. And what's the difference when the outline of the plan was made, before the Revolution, or after. The main thing is that the tsarist government with all desire, (and apparently there was no desire)
    I could not crank out a tenth of what was planned due to the catastrophic backwardness of industry, the illiterate and impoverished population.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 14: 37 New
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      Quote: Eugene30
      Another Solzhenitsin-like nonsense.

      You and I can argue for a long time, I suggest that everyone stay with their own.
  27. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 14: 40 New
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    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Eugene30
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Eugene30
    And on armored vehicles and airplanes, a red star with a white window-shaped star looks much better than its Coca-Cola version.

    You put it - there will not be a "cocacol" version, it will be monophonic -

    And what, is it your way better?

    For me it’s better - the far left upper option

    Unacceptably. You are not enough that the Red Banner, and the Hammer and Sickle are destroyed and poher, so you still have to get to the star? Or the memory of the ancestors who fought under these symbols, is nothing for you? It is necessary to return the star that was.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 15: 16 New
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      Quote: Eugene30
      We must return the star that was

      Who do you want?
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 25 October 2015 15: 49 New
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      Quote: RUSS
      You and I can argue for a long time, I suggest that everyone stay with their own.

      Quote: Eugene30
      You are not enough that the Red Banner, and the Hammer and Sickle are destroyed and poher, so you still have to get to the star?

      The whole thing is that we now live in a different country, with a different state system, and today's authorities will try to emasculate and remove Soviet symbols, because Soviet Russia and the current Russian Federation are the antagonists of the state, essentially irreconcilable enemies. What do you want from the enemy? grace? This will not happen !!! Only struggle and victory, as a result of this struggle will return the ideals and their symbols! And the looting of the country under the Anthem of the USSR is cynical blasphemy and mockery ....
      Regarding tsarist symbolism, it also does not fit the current state education, because The Russian Federation within its current borders is only a stump of a great empire, and politics is clearly not imperial ...
      And in this sense, the eagles clearly look mutants, the scepter, the power of the crown ... funny, looking at the rulers
      For comparison:
      I absolutely like the first one
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 25 October 2015 17: 09 New
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        The Russian Federation within its current borders is only a stump of a great empire, and politics is clearly not imperial ...
        And in this sense, the eagles clearly look mutants, scepter, crown power ..

        The same thing is about the Soviet symbols, they are not acceptable now, for example, a sickle and a hammer, but now we do not have a class division of the people into workers and peasants.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 25 October 2015 17: 36 New
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          Quote: RUSS
          for example, a sickle and a hammer, we now do not have a class division of the people into workers and peasants.

          I laughed to tears to tears laughing laughing laughing
          Nobody has canceled the class nature of society in the Russian Federation.
          There are exploiters, but there are exploited! At this time, the workers and peasants are the exploited class, which creates the surplus value to the exploiters.
          And the crossed Hammer and Sickle speak only of the unity of the workers and peasants.
          If now the state education of the Russian Federation suddenly abandons all Soviet symbols, then they won’t be able to use the victory in the Great Patriotic War in its propaganda, although in essence, the current bourgeois RF has nothing to do with the victory of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. I’ll be distracted right away, I don’t mean the people.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 25 October 2015 17: 50 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            I laughed to tears to tears
            Nobody has canceled the class nature of society in the Russian Federation.
            There are exploiters, but there are exploited! At this time, the workers and peasants are the exploited class, which creates the surplus value to the exploiters.
            And the crossed Hammer and Sickle speak only of the unity of the workers and peasants.


            Well, the fact that I cheered you up and you laughed heartily is good at the division into classes, as I said earlier now there is no official state division of the Russian population into classes, and secondly, now there are no workers as such no, they were replaced by migrant workers, but the peasants were generally brought almost to zero. So the symbol-crossed Hammer and Sickle is not relevant at all, just an anachronism.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 25 October 2015 17: 56 New
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              Quote: RUSS
              Well, then, that I cheered you up and you laughed heartily, it’s good,

              Thank you good but you continue, well, what about Oh?
              Quote: RUSS
              regarding the division into classes, as I said earlier, there is no official state division of the Russian population into classes

              It is a masterpiece!!! laughing laughing laughing

              Colleague, the class character of society exists independently of the "official" recognition of the authorities! yes

              Zy.minusator some kind of secret wound up, like a silent moth, damn it laughing
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 25 October 2015 19: 44 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                Colleague, the class character of society exists independently of the "official" recognition of the authorities!

                Funny, and what classes are in Russia now?
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 25 October 2015 21: 39 New
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                  Quote: RUSS
                  Funny, and what classes are in Russia now?

                  classes are the same as a hundred years ago and about the same situation
              2. navigator
                navigator 25 October 2015 23: 05 New
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                "Zy.minusator some kind of secret wound up like a silent mole, damn it"

                Well, why secret, I set a minus for nonsense, it is a pity that only one is possible. A talkative mole, damn it.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 25 October 2015 23: 23 New
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                  Ahhh, bark beetle bug laughing
                  Well done, put ishsho lol
                  1. navigator
                    navigator 25 October 2015 23: 28 New
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                    "Well done, put ishsho lol"

                    It will be for what, there will be ishosh, bug-bark beetle.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 26 October 2015 00: 01 New
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                      Is there anything to say on the case? Speak!
                      but no, so to the nightingale laughing
                      1. navigator
                        navigator 26 October 2015 08: 24 New
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                        "Do you have anything to say on the case? Speak!
                        but no, so to the nightingale "


                        I forgot to ask you whom I need. Read above, everything has already been said. You can read something, or just insert emoticons and write nonsense.
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  28. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 16: 52 New
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    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Eugene30
    We must return the star that was

    Who do you want?

    To most people. You did not notice the sharp opposition to attempts to replace the Star, or a symbol of World War II?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 17: 15 New
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      Quote: Eugene30
      Who do you want?
      To most people. You did not notice the sharp opposition to attempts to replace the Star, or a symbol of World War II?

      No, I didn't notice, but where? For example, on the forum "Army of Russia 2015" everywhere there is a new symbol of the army and nothing of any protests, pickets and petitions, the same thing at the Victory Parade - equipment with a new symbol and also silence, but on the internet there will always be dissatisfied people. Between this new sign of the army soon 2 years ...
  29. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 17: 40 New
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    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Eugene30
    Who do you want?
    To most people. You did not notice the sharp opposition to attempts to replace the Star, or a symbol of World War II?

    No, I didn't notice, but where? For example, on the forum "Army of Russia 2015" everywhere there is a new symbol of the army and nothing of any protests, pickets and petitions, the same thing at the Victory Parade - equipment with a new symbol and also silence, but on the internet there will always be dissatisfied people. Between this new sign of the army soon 2 years ...

    Bad look means. There was an extensive discussion, including on the forums, many petitions started, just the current owners of life do not care about the desires of a simple cattle.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 20: 34 New
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      Quote: Eugene30
      Bad look means. There was an extensive discussion, including on the forums, many petitions started, just the current owners of life do not care about the desires of a simple cattle.

      The discussion seems to have been, and on this forum, by the way, too, I also saw the petition, but all this "concussion" is nothing more, for the Internet it is not new.
  30. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 25 October 2015 18: 18 New
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    Zy.minusator some kind of secret wound up, like a silent moth, damn it laughing

    The minusator is not secret but obvious, these are lovers of French rolls and supporters of oppression of workers and peasants. Defilers of our past. One of these shabby me in PM, called me a liar and that I insulted someone and sent me to the black list. Horror, I'm in shock, now I will have nightmares. laughing It is clear that such citizens do not have arguments, and cannot be.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 October 2015 20: 03 New
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      Quote: Eugene30
      The minusator is not secret but obvious, these are lovers of French rolls and supporters of oppression of workers and peasants

      I wonder if your opponent tried French rolls?
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 25 October 2015 22: 12 New
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      Quote: Eugene30
      The minusator is not secret but obvious, these are lovers of French buns

      Comrade, well said good drinks
      Quote: Eugene30
      One of these shabby me in PM, called me a liar and that I insulted someone and sent me to the black list

      Tragedy laughing Shakespeare went to the smoking room again laughing
      Quote: Eugene30
      Horror, I'm in shock, now I will have nightmares

      laughing laughing laughing
      1. navigator
        navigator 26 October 2015 08: 37 New
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        Do you like being a spoiled phone?
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  31. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 25 October 2015 21: 21 New
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    Unfortunately, not all comments have been read yet. As for changing the appearance of the star, how many times did he ask everyone --- to no avail. The symbol breaks into pieces - this is very bad. I read about the symbolism of cash flow. These symbols are eternal.
    Stars on orders of the USSR. Such and should be unchanged for centuries. After all, fascism defeated them, flew into space.
    So the 5th column takes care, gives advice on how to destroy the Motherland from the inside, for its own good. It does not stand politely with the traitors, they do not respect our patriotic feelings and do not hide it.
  32. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 25 October 2015 21: 39 New
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    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Eugene30
    The minusator is not secret but obvious, these are lovers of French rolls and supporters of oppression of workers and peasants

    I wonder if your opponent tried French rolls?

    I would say that there are 2, or 3, or 4 of them running on different articles. Think about it, I’ll also take a look.
    1. navigator
      navigator 26 October 2015 08: 35 New
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      "I would say that there are 2, or 3, or 4 of them - they run according to different articles. Think about it, I'll take a look too."

      Do you write down all those who disagree with you as lovers of French rolls and supporters of oppression of workers and peasants who run on different articles? It never occurred to them that they were not 2 or 3,4, but much more? As for hysterical Evgeny30, who misinterpreted everything and blamed his the opponent’s lies and rudeness, and then, having received a refusal, began to complain about him through Stroporeza, then this characterizes him in all his glory. He and the avatar correspond to nature. Think about it and take a look.
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  33. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 October 2015 12: 54 New
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    I can be angry, but I don’t like to be rude, I don’t like talking in elevated tones and here willows of life What I wrote --- because. they went to different articles (--- ---) for patriotic expressions to different people, and not to me exactly. Such an impression --- someone who is against the Russian Federation from Ukraine, the other - he is for the Russian Federation, but in his own way . ...Those. these disadvantages are of different quality, so
    say. And according to neighboring comments --- agreement. It seems that who is minus does not write, but only reads.
    It also happens like this: it’s incomprehensible --- someone joked, too thinly, the other did not understand. Or someone sarcasm - but someone else seemed, And the minuses. Humor is different. Something like that.
    1. navigator
      navigator 26 October 2015 13: 27 New
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      "I can be angry, but I don’t like to be rude. I don’t like high-pitched conversations here and in life."

      And you’re doing it right, this distinguishes a well-educated person from cattle. You can disagree, but why be rude, insult. And when you transfer your rudeness to an opponent, it's really bad. For a man you have to answer, otherwise a dress with a neckline, like one on an avatar .Something like this.
  34. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 October 2015 12: 58 New
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    Today's article about the logo continues this topic.
  35. kondrat13
    kondrat13 27 October 2015 02: 10 New
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    The trouble, as always, is that before everything was done by professionals, and now friends. Soviet symbols were developed by serious artists and scientists (there are such sciences - heraldry and faleristics, who have forgotten). Now everything is done by designers like kandelaki or temy. Soviet symbols were developed incl. specialists of the old, imperial school. Remember at least the Soviet orders - Lenin, the October Revolution, the Military and Labor Red Banner, the Star of the GSS (I will not go into the enumeration) - and compare with the current "badges" - with swords, without swords - well, at least not with balls or with Faberge eggs ... The wild mixture of heraldry of the Russian Empire is not clear with what. And the idea itself is discredited, if now the Heroes of Russia are a quarter of former bandits and Makarovs (by secret decrees), and the cosmonauts are not given it. The same applies to coats of arms and flags. Well at least they left Andreevsky, although they will probably also add some red soon.
  36. Faust
    Faust 18 October 2016 00: 24 New
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    For the development of lighting for these stars, prof. Meisel received the Stalin Prize 2 tbsp. By the way, before the Finnish war, he developed the theory of blackout.