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Retirement age! Wait! One-two ...

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Last week's economic rumors, as they say, stirred the general public. Following the head of the Ministry of Finance, Anton Siluanov, another government official of the so-called economic bloc spoke of the “inevitability” of raising the retirement age in Russia. It was Alexei Ulyukayev, who heads the Ministry of Economic Development. According to Ulyukayev, the retirement age must not only be raised, but also “unified” by its level for women and men. The minister “calculated and decided” that the 63 of the year will be just right for both men and women. One can imagine what forms the great and mighty addressed to Mr. Ulyukayev after his proposal fell from the lips of, for example, 53-year-old Russians (women) and 58-year-old Russians (men), who are preparing to retire soon. Alexey Valentinovich must have been hiccupping loudly at that moment ...


The federal minister’s initiative was commented on by the State Duma deputy representing the Just Russia faction, Valery Hartung. He is quoted by the news agency. TASS:

We believe that this decision is extremely erroneous, very untimely and will lead to absolutely opposite results from those expected by the Russian government. Today, the solvency of citizens is falling, production volumes are decreasing, and the minister, making such statements, shows his incompetence.


Chairwoman of the Duma Labor, Social Policy and Veterans Affairs Committee Olga Batalina, representing the United Russia faction, commenting on the initiative of Ulyukaeva, noted that it was pointless to discuss this topic. The Deputy of the State Duma explained her words by saying that the President and the head of the Russian government repeatedly stated that raising the level of the retirement age in the country is not on the agenda under current conditions.

Representatives of the Duma factions of the LDPR and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation were even more categorical, commenting on the statements of Mr. Ulyukayev. The word, in general, did not regret ...
It turns out that all the Duma factions criticized the Ulyukaev idea. Therefore, we can assume that the issue of raising the retirement age in Russia is somehow meaningless to discuss - the deputies said that they refer to the president and the prime minister, which means that there will not be an increase in the retirement age. But is it really that simple? It turned out that not really ...

Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that the retirement plank in Russia will still rise. The Russians of pre-retirement age immediately clutched their hearts ... However, Dmitry Anatolyevich added that "there is no need to worry," since the process of raising the age of access to well-deserved rest will concern only public servants. All others can sleep well. It is a pity that the phrase “sleep well” in this context sounds somewhat ambiguous ...

Dmitry Medvedev quotes portal "Vesti. Finance":
The draft law on increasing the retirement age for civil servants concerns a well-defined part of the working citizens of our country, and, of course, it should provide for a transitional period so that people can prepare and take this or that decision for themselves with full knowledge of the matter. For the absolute majority of other people, of course, the retirement age is kept within the framework of the current legislation.


It is worth considering this statement carefully. That is, the chairman of the government, he is the chairman of the United Russia party - the person to whom party colleague Olga Batalina referred, additionally referring to the president, by the way, also announces that civil servants need to prepare "for making this or that decision" ... What kind of “one or another decision” that people of this category can take is being discussed, Dmitry Anatolyevich mysteriously kept silent. How even more mysteriously he kept silent about what the phrase “for the absolute majority of other people” means. It turns out that in addition to civil servants, the retirement age in the country will also be raised for a kind of “absolute minority”, whose composition remains a secret with seven seals.

At the same time, the head of government in more detail, but also somewhat florid, touched on the topic of raising the retirement age for government officials.

Medvedev:
This is our parliament, that is, the State Duma, the Council of the Federation, members of the government, that is, persons who precisely replace public office - not in the civil service, but a little in another direction. We are talking about increasing the retirement age for these categories of citizens up to 65 years. There is a general order now.


Retirement age! Wait! One-two ...


Frankly speaking, it seems that this kind of initiative is hardly aimed at any substantial savings for the federal budget. Much more likely is that state officials, “replacing a little bit in another direction,” are themselves government officials (in fact themselves) being given the opportunity to stay longer in their high posts. The argument that not saving for the sake of, is indirectly confirmed by the statement of the Deputy Minister of Labor of the Russian Federation Andrei Pudov, who has already determined the amount of savings in this case. According to the deputy minister, such savings (in the case of raising the retirement age of state officials) will be 622 million rubles. At first glance, the amount may seem substantial, but in reality, Khoroshavin’s 18 pens cannot be bought on it ...

But seriously, the question arises: where does the economy come from at all, if the state officials, who, by virtue of reaching retirement age, had to retire and receive an old-age pension, now the government will have to continue to pay the official salary, which, presumably, significantly higher than the official pension. Or savings, as it were, on those who should have taken their places, but now they will have to wait ...

However, this question can not be called the main one. State officials are, as you know, a special world, most often living according to individual “physical” laws. This is different. - It's about ordinary citizens of Russia. - The fact is that even if such a precedent of raising the retirement age is planned, then nothing prevents the state from extrapolating it to other categories of the population under the slogan: “For state officials, the bar for the age of access to well-deserved rest was raised,” he said. So you can spread to other categories of the population "...

I would like to still believe that in the Russian state there will still be responsible men from among those very representatives of state authorities who will find more adequate forms and formulas for saving budget funds and filling the state treasury.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 23 October 2015 06: 32 New
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    Today, the solvency of citizens is falling,


    Yeah .... much further.

    We have become two, three times poorer since last year, and our native government of MEDVEDEV will present one more surprise to its people.

    The economy is the weakest point in RUSSIA .... you can say the Achilles' heel and PUTIN, unfortunately, are not very strong in the economy, but I still hope for his talent to overcome crisis situations with honor ...
    wait and see ... if they’re not even taken to the cemetery earlier.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 07: 42 New
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      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Yeah .... much further.

      First, we may not all, but remember the fall of the 90s.
      Secondly, since after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991, they were included in the world economy, which today is experiencing a systemic crisis, we will have to drink from this chalice, which is happening today.
      Но, учитывая ,что на западе в целом, а в США в частности, доходы домохозяйств ниже расходов на 20-30%, экономика на западе будет сильно падать. Что мы сегодня и наблюдаем. А именно, "Массивные заимствования скрывают годы отрицательного прироста ВВП в EC и США". И по факту дела в России, живущей по средствам, а не в долг, состоят куда, как лучше "прогрессивного" запада, построившего своё благополучие на ограблении остальных стран и благополучно прожравшего доходы парочки будущих поколений. У нас этого нет. И у России есть шанс пройти этот кризис мимоходом.



      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      PUTIN, unfortunately, is not very strong in the economy, but I still hope for his talent to come out of crisis situations with honor ...

      Not a matter of hope. Do you like the mot of the word or not, and “Today under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
      And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

      Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy.
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 October 2015 08: 20 New
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        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy.

        And how will this affect the change in retirement age?
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 08: 24 New
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          Quote: atalef
          And how will this affect the change in retirement age?

          This is me about the crisis, if you do not understand.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 23 October 2015 09: 01 New
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            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            It's me about the crisisif you do not understand.

            .in the minds of Anton Siluanov and Alexei Ulyukaev?
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 09: 13 New
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              Quote: V.ic
              ..in the heads of Anton Siluanov and Alexei Ulyukaev?

              What planet have you flown from if you don’t know about the WORLD CRISIS?
              I repeat once again for the dull.
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Secondly, since after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991, they were included in the world economy, which today is experiencing a systemic crisis, we will have to drink from this chalice, which is happening today.
              Но, учитывая ,что на западе в целом, а в США в частности, доходы домохозяйств ниже расходов на 20-30%, экономика на западе будет сильно падать. Что мы сегодня и наблюдаем. А именно, "Массивные заимствования скрывают годы отрицательного прироста ВВП в EC и США". И по факту дела в России, живущей по средствам, а не в долг, состоят куда, как лучше "прогрессивного" запада, построившего своё благополучие на ограблении остальных стран и благополучно прожравшего доходы парочки будущих поколений. У нас этого нет. И у России есть шанс пройти этот кризис мимоходом.

              1. anip
                anip 23 October 2015 09: 58 New
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                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                What planet have you flown from if you don’t know about the WORLD CRISIS?

                What nonsense ... Compare the average salaries and prices in the USA, Europe and the Russian Federation.
                And yes, how is it that the global crisis, and the ruble collapsed more than the milestones of currencies? And yes, if the crisis is global, it means that it exists in the USA, then why did the ruble collapse, because the dollar should have fallen, that is, the ruble / dollar rate should have remained unchanged? And about your schedule about the growth of real GDP: and you better take a look, how many billions of dollars is the GDP of countries. And, by the way, something of a fall in GDP in the West is not observed.
                http://bs-life.ru/makroekonomika/vvp2014.html
                http://gtmarket.ru/ratings/rating-countries-gdp/rating-countries-gdp-info
                1. orskpdc
                  orskpdc 23 October 2015 14: 46 New
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                  How much you can buy gasoline for a salary.
                  I compare economic
                  life in Russia with other countries.
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  This suggests that people have money for overpayments and a lack of intelligence so as not to overpay

                  Everyone wants to live well, rich and poor and fools and smart.
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  This is me about the crisis, if you do not understand.

                  Sales of new cars fell 40% - is this an indicator of the crisis?
                  1. orskpdc
                    orskpdc 23 October 2015 15: 03 New
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                    Here is a bigger picture.
                    There is a crisis in Russia, and Friday in Moscow !!
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 15 New
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                      Quote: orskpdc
                      There is a crisis in Russia, and Friday in Moscow !!

                      I don’t know how it is in Moscow, but in our province it is Friday.

                      By the way, your picture is lying.
                      Checked in Libya. http://gooper.ru/afrika/liviya/157-ceny-v-tripoli-liviya-na-produkty-benzin-aren

                      da-zhilya.html
                      Average salary Tripoli, Libya 786.86 USD
                      Fuel AI-95 gasoline 1l 5.00 USD

                      Total for a salary in Tripoli you can buy 157,372 liters of gasoline, a citizen of the modern day.

                      So, draw more realistic pictures. lol
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 24 October 2015 09: 34 New
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                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        I don’t know how it is in Moscow, but in our province it is Friday.
                      2. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 45 New
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                        Yes, yes, I remember that you are addicted to brandy.
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 24 October 2015 11: 20 New
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                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Yes, yes, I remember that you are addicted to brandy.

                        Dependence ? belay
              2. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 13 New
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                Quote: orskpdc
                I compare economic
                life in Russia with other countries.

                This is for one parameter ??? laughing Aff.tar, peesi ischo! fool

                Quote: orskpdc
                Everyone wants to live well, rich and poor and fools and smart.

                It’s good to live and eat a lot, far from it is not the same. wink
                If your whole life consists in making money and paying taxes, I am truly sorry for you.


                Quote: orskpdc
                Sales of new cars fell 40% - is this an indicator of the crisis?

                Actually, what's wrong? laughing I’m talking about the crisis! fool laughing
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 October 2015 09: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  This is for one parameter ??? Aff.tar, peesi ischo!

                  Yes, there is only one parameter - your own wallet and store, well, for those who are happy to go to Europe and see the exhausted faces of the decaying capitalists.
                  But the people of Europe are not at all clear at all, could you come to Russia (like Depardieu) quietly and live wonderful? Really, those leaving Russia in search of a better life in the West have not yet been explained to them?
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  It’s good to live and eat a lot, far away

                  Well. like I’m definitely not hungry and happy (well, if only in Korea, there’s someone to eat for them)

                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  sales of new cars fell by 40% - is this an indicator of the crisis?
                  Actually, what's wrong? I’m talking about the crisis!

                  Of course - according to all your indicators - they buy less, it’s good. Do not buy at all - is this ideal? belay
                  1. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 53 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    Yes, there is only one parameter - your own wallet and store, well, for those who are happy to go to Europe and see the exhausted faces of the decaying capitalists.

                    but in Caracas, given in a false tablet Chicken breasts, 1 kg 1026.88 rubles. That is, five times more commercials than ours. laughing fool
                    Quote: http://www.globalprice.info/?p=statistics/bigmac

                    Big Mac Index

                    The Big Mac Index is the cost of a burger on the Mac Donalds chain. Big poppy contains meat, vegetables, cheese, bread and other products. Its cost also includes the rental of premises and equipment, labor and many other factors. If the price of big poppy is low, then we can say that prices in the country are low, if high then prices are relatively high. Research is conducted by The Economist.

                    Belgium 335 rub.
                    Great Britain 289 rub.
                    Hungary 240 rub.
                    Venezuela 446 rub.
                    Germany 311 rub.

                    Russia 82 rub.


                    You completely disappointed me in the people of Israel. laughing laughing laughing

                    So, drink your brandy on. laughing laughing laughing
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 11: 24 New
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                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    but in Caracas, given in a false tablet Chicken breasts, 1 kg 1026.88 rubles

                    And what does Caracas have to do with it? Did you answer me about external debt?
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    You completely disappointed me in the people of Israel.

                    Do we all now sprinkle ash on our heads?
                    wink
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    So, drink your brandy on.

                    Mine is Carvoisier
                    Courvoisier is the famous French cognac, the favorite drink of the Emperor Napoleon. This is a cognac with a rich, tart taste, deep, symbolizing restrained luxury.

                    Here you can buy Courvoisier cognac (wholesale and retail) of the following excerpts: Courvoisier VS, Courvoisier VSOP, Courvoisier XO.


                    Art: 3049197210202
                    3 985 R
                    BUY
                    ARE AVAILABLE
                    0.7 l
                    Cognac “Courvoisier VSOP”, used, 0.7 L
                    Class: VSOP
                    Brand Name: Courvoisier
                    Country: France

                    What about yours?
                  3. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 16: 26 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    What about yours?

                    Дааа, "здесь вам не равнина, здесь климат иной" (с) laughing

                    I don’t use poison, uncle. yes

                    No, I do not persecute myself on holidays, nor on other days. good

                    Other your stupid questionsas I said, I ignore it.

                    PS By the way, uncle, I’m just wondering how much 0,7 liter poison is enough for you?
                  4. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 16: 53 New
                    +1
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    I don’t use poison, uncle.

                    And according to the comments, you can’t say
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    I ignore the rest of your stupid questions, as I said.

                    nothing to say, just laughing
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 05 New
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        Quote: anip
        Compare average salaries and prices in the USA, Europe and the Russian Federation.

        Spit and grind these salaries. if in the US household spending exceeds income by 20-30%. This suggests that they stupidly lack their salaries for the level of consumption imposed on them.
        Go .ot all over the world live in debt.

        Quote: anip
        And about your schedule about the growth of real GDP: and you better take a look, how many billions of dollars is the GDP of countries.

        Look through my communites, I already painted that the manufacturing sector of the US economy is comparable to that in Russia.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 October 2015 09: 28 New
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Spit and grind these salaries

          laughing
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          if in the US household spending exceeds income by 20-30%. This suggests that they stupidly lack their salaries for the level of consumption imposed on them.

          What kind of nonsense? Where did you get these 20-30%?
          Do you know that getting a overdraft (permissive minus) in the USA is a problem? The maximum that you can get is minus the level of monthly income. If you don’t know anything, don’t tell tales.
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Go .ot all over the world live in debt.

          Buying on credit is not a loan.
          mk monthly payments do not exceed monthly income.
          Do you feel the difference?
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Look through my communites, I already painted that the manufacturing sector of the US economy is comparable to that in Russia

          painted, painted. much that painted.
          Only Russia's GDP is 7% of the United States.
          Do you know the word export? This is what is sold specifically and exported from the United States. Not from China, but from the United States,
          US exports in 2014 amounted to 2351 billion dollars. USA. The USA is one of the world's largest exporters - 16% of global exports.

          They export (only) - this is almost 2 times more than the entire Russian GDP - ALL (1.2 trillion dollars)
          Who do you even score tanks for?
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 41 New
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            Quote: atalef
            What kind of nonsense? Where did you get these 20-30%?

            atalef, if you continue to ask your stupid questions, I will most likely stop responding to them, because it's boring.
            I have already brought Khazin here more than once, in this topic, by the way, you either listen to him or read articles on his website.

            Quote: atalef
            Buying on credit is not a loan.

            Debt. Smoke mana.

            Quote: atalef
            They export (only) - this is almost 2 times more than the entire Russian GDP - ALL (1.2 trillion dollars)

            Debts, you say, are growing in Western countries? laughing Ah, sorry, the loans are not paid, and this is not a debt. fool laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 October 2015 11: 28 New
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              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              atalef, if you continue to ask your stupid questions, I will most likely stop responding to them, because it's boring.

              For there is nothing laughing
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Quote: atalef
              Buying on credit is not a loan.
              Debt. Smoke mana.

              From the point of view of the financial system - no.
              Debt is when expenses exceed revenues
              I have all the purchases on credit (I pay with a credit card) - you want to say that I am in debt?
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Debts, you say, are growing in Western countries? Ah, sorry, the loans are not paid, and this is not a debt.

              Unpaid - debt Just what is the connection with US exports?
              As always, FSE is a damn thing, we are moving off uncomfortable questions good
  • APASUS
    APASUS 23 October 2015 22: 59 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy.

    And how will this affect the change in retirement age?

    Very strange question.
    Once the consumption level rises, taxes rise! All taxes ............
    When there is not enough GROWING tax revenue, then something is wrong in the tax system ...........
    And retirement age is a tool that allows you to not change a non-revenue system
  • Penetrator
    Penetrator 23 October 2015 08: 29 New
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    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    ..after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991, they entered the world economy, which today is experiencing a systemic crisis, we will have to drink from this chalice, which is happening today.

    Тщемта, СССР расчленили не "продажные безмозглые коммунисты", а все наше общество с радостными возгласами разрушило страну. И во главе этого процесс были люди, единственным признаком принадлежности которых к коммунистам, являлось лишь наличие партбилета. И "вписывание в мировую экономику" произвели те же перевёртыши, в одночасье ставшие либералами и рыночниками.
    Ничего хорошего из этого не вышло - кто умеет лишь разрушать, тот не способен созидать, по определению. И не надо нам втюхивать про "мировой системный кризис" - такое впечатление, что мы из этого кризиса и не выходили последние 25 лет. И не надо постить графики с процентным приростом ВВП - лучше бы показали данные по реальному ВВП России относительно тех же стран Запада. Там всё достаточно кисло.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 09: 24 New
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      Quote: Penetrator
      СССР расчленили не "продажные безмозглые коммунисты"

      Is President Yanukovych guilty of a coup d'etat in Ukraine? I would give the command to the golden eagle, in a moment we would clean the maydanut ...

      Quote: Penetrator
      Nothing good came of this — he who can only destroy is not capable of creating, by definition.

      Are you implying that the Russian people can only destroy?
      I insist that Russian people creator and creator!

      Quote: Penetrator
      that we have not come out of this crisis for the past 25 years.

      I don’t know how YOU are, and Russia emerges from the crisis quite successfully, becoming one of the leading world powers.

      Quote: Penetrator
      it would be better to show data on the real GDP of Russia relative to the same Western countries. Everything is quite sour there.

      The population of Luxemdurg is slightly less than the population of Yaroslavl. Luxembourg's external debt as of December 31, 2013 was nearly $ 3 trillion. And now the question is, if 3 trillion dollars are swollen in Yaroslavl, how will he feel?
      But the fact is that it is DEBT. And Russia lives on its own, within its means.
      Ещё пример - в Норвегии, этом "эталоне" богатства и зажиточности население меньше, чем в одном Питере, а долг больше, чем у Огромной России.
      But you persistently scold your country, spitting in yourself. This is not smart, to say the least.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 23 October 2015 10: 11 New
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        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Are you implying that the Russian people can only destroy?
        I insist that the Russian people are creator and creator!

        Я не о народе говорил, а о тогдашних правителях. пришедших к власти на волне "перестройки"(в рот ей дышло). И страну не ругаю, просто констатирую факт - за 25 лет могли бы, при таком потенциале, построить намного более нормальное государство. В том числе и социально-ориентированное, в котором не рассуждают, как о панацее для спасения экономики, об увеличении пенсионного возраста граждан.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 26 New
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          Quote: Penetrator
          Я не о народе говорил, а о тогдашних правителях. пришедших к власти на волне "перестройки"(в рот ей дышло).

          And once again I remind you that the Congo has a short memory or a comprehension broken - ALL, ABSOLUTELY ALL power - political, economic, military, space, etc., as you can imagine, was in the CPSU. that is, the Communists. And it was they, the Communists, who very talented that power. So talented that the USSR was dismembered.

          Quote: Penetrator
          And I don’t scold the country, I simply state the fact - in 25 years they could, with such potential, build a much more normal state. Including a socially oriented one, in which they do not argue as a panacea for saving the economy or increasing the retirement age of citizens.

          Not for 25, but less than 15, to be exact. And tell me at least one other country that is developing so successfully today. Let me remind you - the West has long been stagnating !!! China has huge problems, both economic and environmental ...
          1. Hon
            Hon 23 October 2015 18: 03 New
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            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            And tell me at least one other country that is developing so successfully today.

            China, India, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Ireland
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 18 New
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              Quote: Hon
              China, India, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Ireland

              Not everything is as simple as it seems. China has considerable problems and a ruined ecology. India creeps on imported technologies, China, by the way, also built the industry in China ...

              Ireland.
              Population - Assessment (2013) 4 593 100 (less than ours in St. Petersburg)
              External debt of € 1.670 trillion (2014)

              I hope you’ll figure it out yourself later.
              1. Hon
                Hon 23 October 2015 18: 33 New
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                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Not everything is as simple as it seems. China has considerable problems and a ruined ecology. India creeps on imported technologies, China, by the way, also built the industry in China ...

                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Ireland.
                Population - Assessment (2013) 4 593 100 (less than ours in St. Petersburg)

                and we have a population of 1/10 of China or India
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                India creeps on imported technology

                India itself imports technology, in particular software.

                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                China has considerable problems and a ruined ecology.

                not that we have, there are no problems at all, the ruble is only soon to be equal in price with toilet paper
                And what about South Korea. is everything bad too?
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 41 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Hon
                  not that we have, there are no problems at all, the ruble is only soon to be equal in price with toilet paper

                  Though the count on the head is comic ... Listen to Khazin and think over his words.



                  Quote: Hon
                  And what about South Korea. is everything bad too?

                  Poorly. On falling global demand, everyone is feeling bad.

                  PS For completeness.



                  PPS Russia also exports software. And nuclear power plants, and sells weapons to India, which India by no means learns to do ...

                  PPPS Why do you persistently consider your country the worst in the world ???
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 23 October 2015 18: 53 New
                    +3
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    Though the count on the head is comic ... Listen to Khazin and think over his words.

                    Who else to listen to? so many theoretical economists divorced, predictors of the economic future, if only one guessed, well, at least by accident, with a finger to the sky. Nifiga. If they are all so smart, why only predict, and not one is involved in the real economy? theorist Gaidar began to study, it turned out very badly.
                  2. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 02 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Hon
                    Who else to listen to?

                    You can read, but to you, at least the count on the head is comic. laughing

                    Quote: http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/818247.html

                    Now let's take not the last 10 years, take only the last 3 years. Let's look at oil refineries, which, according to an article in the Elephant, have not been built. Here is an incomplete list of projects open during these three years:

                    1. RusVinyl, Kstovo, Nizhny Novgorod Region
                    2. Expansion of gas fractionation capacities at the Tobolsk-Neftekhim enterprise.
                    3. Expansion of the capacities of the Purovsky condensate processing plant.
                    4. Plant for the processing of associated petroleum gas LLC "Monolith".
                    5. Yaya oil refinery (first stage).
                    6. Polypropylene plant "Poliom", Omsk.
                    7. Installation of isomerization of light naphtha at the Moscow refinery.
                    8. Reconstruction of the Tuapse refinery (first stage).
                    9. Tobolsk-Polymer.
                    10. Complex deep oil refining at the Kirishi refinery.
                    11. Antipinsky oil refinery, Tyumen.
                    12. Combined hydrocracking unit for raw mix OJSC "TANECO", Nizhnekamsk, Republic of Tatarstan.
                    13. Installation for the production of hydrogen at the Bashneft-Novoil refinery, Ufa.
                    14. Installation of primary oil refining at the Volgograd refinery.
                    15. South Priobsky gas processing plant, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.



                    I emphasize that the link lists only the largest projects, the volume of which is estimated at tens and hundreds of billions of rubles. I’ll also add that if 15 years ago we exported 60 million tons of oil products, now this figure has grown two and a half times to 165 million tons. We process more and more oil on our territory, replacing the export of crude oil with export of fuel oil and high-quality fuel:
                  3. atalef
                    atalef 23 October 2015 19: 15 New
                    +2
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    You can read, but you, at least count on the head

                    How many times you do not say the word halva, in your mouth it will not become sweeter
                    The real disposable income of Russians in May 2015 decreased by 6,4 percent compared to the same period last year. This was reported in a press release from Rosstat. In general, over five months, revenues decreased by 3 percent: in April, their decline was 4 percent, and in March - 1,8 percent.

                    Rosstat. Russians do not consume and do not save: their purchasing power fell by 35% over the year
                  4. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 26 New
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    How many times you do not say the word halva, in your mouth it will not become sweeter

                    Again... laughing

                    Quote: http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/818247.html

                    Take now not even the last 10 years, take only the last 3 years. Let's look at the oil refineries, which, according to an article in the Elephant, have not been built. Here is an incomplete list of projects open during these three years:

                    1. RusVinyl, Kstovo, Nizhny Novgorod Region
                    2. Expansion of gas fractionation capacities at the Tobolsk-Neftekhim enterprise.
                    3. Expansion of the capacities of the Purovsky condensate processing plant.
                    4. Plant for the processing of associated petroleum gas LLC "Monolith".
                    5. Yaya oil refinery (first stage).
                    6. Polypropylene plant "Poliom", Omsk.
                    7. Installation of isomerization of light naphtha at the Moscow refinery.
                    8. Reconstruction of the Tuapse refinery (first stage).
                    9. Tobolsk-Polymer.
                    10. Complex deep oil refining at the Kirishi refinery.
                    11. Antipinsky oil refinery, Tyumen.
                    12. Combined hydrocracking unit for raw mix OJSC "TANECO", Nizhnekamsk, Republic of Tatarstan.
                    13. Installation for the production of hydrogen at the Bashneft-Novoil refinery, Ufa.
                    14. Installation of primary oil refining at the Volgograd refinery.
                    15. South Priobsky gas processing plant, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.



                    I emphasize that the link lists only the largest projects, the volume of which is estimated at tens and hundreds of billions of rubles. I’ll also add that if 15 years ago we exported 60 million tons of oil products, now this figure has grown two and a half times to 165 million tons. We process more and more oil on our territory, replacing the export of crude oil with export of fuel oil and high-quality fuel:
        2. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 18: 59 New
          0
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Population - Assessment (2013) 4 593 100 (less than ours in St. Petersburg)
          External debt of € 1.670 trillion (2014)

          yes 1000% of GDP, and they don’t die - bastards. and the USA has only 100% of GDP request- live yes live wink

          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          I hope you’ll come up with it yourself

          in in. hi
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            yes 1000% of GDP, and they don’t die - bastards. and in the USA - only 100% of GDP request- live yes live wink

            Yes, yes, I also talked about Luxemdurg. laughing

            By the way, who has this 1000% of GDP? request
            And with what fright does the US have 100%? request
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 19: 16 New
              0
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              And with what fright the USA has 100%

              How much?
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              How much?

              Your phrase, please explain.

              Quote: atalef
              yes 1000% of GDP, and they don’t die - bastards. and in the USA - only 100% of GDP request- live yes live wink
            3. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 20: 03 New
              0
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Your phrase, please explain.

              Yes please
              On August 18, 2015, the US public debt amounted to 18,350 trillion dollars. [8]

              According to a more accurate estimate, US GDP in the second quarter grew by 3,7% and reached 19.1 trillion dollars

              further count yourself? Or help?
              By the way, remember that in 2011 it was above 100% of GDP, and now --- oops
              Of course you give a damn about it, but illusions are so broken. hi
            4. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 08: 50 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              By the way, remember that in 2011 it was above 100% of GDP, and now --- oops

              Now not oops, but a seam and tryndets. laughing
              Bubble, if not inflate, it will remain a bubble. How much do you need to repeat so that at least a little start to reach? laughing
              1. Studies on macroeconomics.

              Когда я читаю учебники по макроэкономике, мне вспоминается курс лекций по психиатрии, который я прослушал в юности, будучи студентом мединститута. Чаще всего мне вспоминается классический вид нарушения мыслительной деятельности под названием "паралогическое мышление". Это такой способ рассуждения как в известном анекдоте: "коробка квадратная, значит в ней лежит круглое. Раз круглое, значит оранжевое. Ну а раз оранжевое, значит это апельсин!"

              Do not believe? Then I will give you a well-known life situation: in one country, for example, they produced a million cubes of industrial wood, cast a million tons of cast iron and rolled up a billion cans of stewed pork and condensed milk in case of starvation. Suppose all this costs a trillion dollars and makes up the gross national product. After a couple of decades, the GNP of this country increased fivefold. And exactly, four trillion erotic massages, manicures, pedicures, hair styling and makeup were done, and another trillion visitors were served in strip bars and topless cafes. Cast iron, condensed milk and stew were imported from abroad in wooden crates, which they used instead of wood, which they did not chop or saw themselves. Paid as usual in dollars. They printed a lot of dollars, so that was enough for everyone.


              A familiar picture? That's it. wink
            5. atalef
              atalef 24 October 2015 09: 15 New
              0
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Now not oops, but a seam and tryndets.
              Bubble, if not inflate, it will remain a bubble. How much do you need to repeat so that at least a little start to reach?

              Yes, another tale of a man who does not understand anything in the economy. The problem is not in debt, but in the possibility of its maintenance.
              And do not draw me fairy tales about wood and condensed milk.
              Think of a simpler mortgage
              Its value (let's just say your personal public debt) is several times higher than your GDP, nevertheless you do not die of hunger. And you live in better conditions than before.
  • atalef
    atalef 23 October 2015 18: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    And once again I remind you that the Congo has a short memory or a comprehension broken - ALL, ABSOLUTELY ALL power - political, economic, military, space, etc., as you can imagine, was in the CPSU. that is, the Communists. And it was they, the Communists, who very talented that power. So talented that the USSR was dismembered.

    just don’t tell us that. tknu just all the modern Russian power-were communists
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Not for 25, but less than 15

    Why not calculate the interval from 2004 to 2007? then generally rise, just space
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Let me remind you - the West has long been stagnating !!!

    Damn, etozh then how are they then before the stagnation that zhiiiiiiiii crying
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    China has huge problems, both economic and environmental ...

    Yes, what about the Power of Siberia?
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      just don’t tell us that. tknu just all the modern Russian power-were communists

      So, after all, they ...

      Quote: atalef
      Why not calculate the interval from 2004 to 2007? then generally rise, just space

      Why so thick? Even with 2000 we take and compare with the West.


      Quote: atalef
      Damn, how are they then before the stagnation then dwells crying

      They lived a bit shabby. They lived with inflation and unemployment. Until the USSR was dismembered and received new markets ...

      Quote: atalef
      Yes, what about the Power of Siberia?

      With anything. The economy of China is built by the West and is aimed at external consumption, which is now falling in the world. And this is good. If the same China compares consumption with the western one, a quick and decisive seam will come to the planet.

      Actually, people behave worse than monkeys with a sledgehammer in a glass-blowing workshop. People are intensively destroying the life support systems of a spaceship called Earth.
  • Penetrator
    Penetrator 23 October 2015 19: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    it was they, the Communists, who very talented that power. So talented that the USSR was dismembered.

    Mortician. Go Medvedev, Gref and Chubais in the ass kiss. They are awesome statesmen. Not that the communists.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 11: 46 New
    11
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    But the fact is that it is DEBT. And Russia lives on its own, within its means.

    Have you ever wondered why they live better with debt than we do without debt?
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 23 October 2015 13: 01 New
      11
      Which means better? If my neighbor drives a car for a million, of which he took 700 thousand on credit and will give 5 and 700 interest for 700 years, and I drive a car for half a million I bought for my savings - does he live better than me? Just because his ass is currently sitting in a car that costs more than mine? Despite the fact that my car is mine, and the one on which he drives is not his wink
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Have you ever wondered why they live better with debt than we do without debt?

      Invar, they live NOT better, they (maybe) spend more. These concepts are very different.

      And I have already said many times that the West has built its well-being on the robbery of other countries, including ours.

      In addition, whether you like it or not, we live in a country that has lost the Cold War.
      1. Hon
        Hon 23 October 2015 18: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        And I have already said many times that the West has built its well-being on the robbery of other countries, including ours.

        And who was robbed by France, Germany, Finland in modern realities. Who is robbing South Korea and Japan, maybe Australia is robbing someone?
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Hon
          And who was robbed by France, Germany, Finland in modern realities. Who is robbing South Korea and Japan, maybe Australia is robbing someone?

          Once again to Khazin, he laid out everything long ago.

          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 19: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            once to Khazin, he laid out everything long ago.

            On its shelves. The US should have been bent 3 years ago, but for that, after the EU laughing
            Khazin is a market economist. such is Kurginyan from the economy.
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Hon
          And who was robbed by France, Germany, Finland in modern realities. Who is robbing South Korea and Japan, maybe Australia is robbing someone?

          Once again to Khazin, he laid out everything long ago.

        3. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 19: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Hon
          And who was robbed by France, Germany, Finland in modern realities. Who is robbing South Korea and Japan, maybe Australia is robbing someone?

          like whom. Aboriginal people.
      2. atalef
        atalef 23 October 2015 19: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Invar, they live NOT better, they (maybe) spend more. These concepts are very different

        They live worse - because they have money to spend. and in Russia it’s better because there is no money.
        From damn it, you confused me how this one was supposed to fly there yesterday (from the film BACK TO THE FUTURE) - he had self-binding sneakers there. and in your universe, probably a self-tightening noose
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        And I have already said many times that the West has built its well-being on the robbery of other countries, including ours.

        so i don't get it belay Do they have money or not?
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Also, whether you like it or not, we live in a country that has lost the Cold War

        some kind of not quite connected set of words, since in general - in Russia now (in your opinion) good or bad (in the economy, of course), you are an economist wink
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 24 October 2015 03: 51 New
          -1
          Go to an American friend and ask for 10 bucks. Will it take? Never! NO !!! Come with a friend, ask for a loan of 1000 rubles. Rarely, who will refuse. Do not know why?
    3. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 19: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Quote: VseDoFeNi
      But the fact is that it is DEBT. And Russia lives on its own, within its means.

      Have you ever wondered why they live better with debt than we do without debt?

      Why should he think?
      In terms of numbers, everything agrees.
      Ethiopia has an external debt of 13% of GDP and 1000% in Ireland.
      Only in Ethiopia, life expectancy is (m / f) 53-59
      and in Ireland --------------------------------------- 79-83
      This is specially made so that the Irish would suffer longer. and Ethiopians would die young and happy.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 23 October 2015 15: 21 New
    +8
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    I insist that the Russian people are creator and creator!

    Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 October 2015 15: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: Bayonet
      Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.

      under the current government this is impossible
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 59 New
        -5
        Quote: Stroporez
        under the current government this is impossible

        Let me remind you that the Soviet Union collapsed under Soviet power.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 October 2015 18: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Let me remind you that the Soviet Union collapsed under Soviet power.

          And I remind you that it was during the Soviet era that the USSR was created!
          and it was ruined by the Jews, and the receivers of those Judas are now in power.
          Да что ж переливать из пустого в порожнее ваша позиция для меня совершенно ясна и я её яростный противник,т.к. только "слепой" не видит, что все действия нынешней власти направлены на беспощадный грабёж страны и на геноцид её населения!
          All the rest is PR for the plebs.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 23 New
            -1
            Quote: Stroporez
            And I remind you that it was during the Soviet era that the USSR was created!

            No problem. Only the Russian Empire was destroyed and only in the civilian were ditched more than 10 million of our citizens ...
            Judas in RI organized riots and revolutions in wartime.

            All actions of the current government are aimed at correcting the consequences of the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991 and staged genocide of the population in the 90s. At a million a year, Russia was dying. And today’s growth, albeit small.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 October 2015 18: 41 New
              +4
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Only the Russian Empire was destroyed and only in the civilian were ditched more than 10 million of our citizens ...

              This topic on VO is already chewed ....
              If you are a fan of Mlechin, Svanidze, and others like them, then 10 and 15 and 20, there are even pearls about 100 million fellow citizens (and this, with the total population of the Republic of Ingushetia about 140 million people) who died in the Civil, insanity grew stronger as necessary to discredit the Soviet regime .
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              And today’s growth, albeit small.

              get to the cemetery in your city and there you will see population growth ...
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              All actions of the current government are aimed at correcting the consequences of the dismemberment of the USSR

              it will be difficult for you, because I have eyes and ears, and to them education and intelligence, they allow me to distinguish black from white wink
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        3. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 18: 36 New
          +9
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Let me remind you that the Soviet Union collapsed under Soviet power
          And I remind you that the Soviet government is the power of the councils of people's deputies, and not the power of the CPSU.

          That they killed the Soviet regime since the 60s, and killed in the 77th, when they stuck a freak of the 6th article in the constitution.

          Что убивали ее такие "безмозглые" "коммунисты", как Горбачев (орден Почёта (28 февраля 2001 года) — за большой вклад в развитие демократических преобразований и в связи с семидесятилетием со дня рождения)
          Putin - Dear Mikhail Sergeyevich!
          Congratulations on your birthday.
          Fruitful public, research activities, active participation in popular charity, educational projects have rightfully earned you deep respect. It is important that you pay unremitting attention to the implementation of significant initiatives in the field of international cooperation, with your multifaceted work, strive to help increase Russia's prestige in the world.
          I wish you health, prosperity and all the best.
          http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/letters/17612

          Like Yeltsin (Order of Merit to the Fatherland, First Class (June 12, 2001) - for a particularly outstanding contribution to the formation and development of Russian statehood)
          Путин - "Борис Николаевич Ельцин вместе с новой Россией прошел путь тяжелейших, но необходимых преобразований. Возглавил процесс кардинальных перемен, которые вывели Россию из тупика. Россия получила второе рождение. Она стала цивилизованным открытым государством, и роль первого президента в становлении этого государства огромна.
          Именно в это время рождалась Россия открытая и думающая о людях, формировались демократические институты, была принята Конституция России, которая провозгласила высшей ценностью права и свободу человека."
          http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2011/536637.shtml

          Like Gaidar
          Путин: "Кончина Егора Тимуровича Гайдара - тяжелая утрата для России, для всех нас. Не стало настоящего гражданина и патриота, сильного духом человека, талантливого ученого, писателя и практика.
          Not every statesman has the opportunity to serve the Fatherland at the most critical stages of its history, to make key decisions that will determine the future of the country
          Egor Timurovich Gaidar adequately accomplished this difficult task, showing the best professional and personal qualities
          He did not shy away from responsibility and in the most difficult situations he held a blow with honor and courage
          Светлая память о Егоре Гайдаре навсегда останется в сердцах его родных и близких, всех, кто знал этого замечательного человека"
          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=331463&tid=75735

          Like Chubais
          Путин: "Чубайс и его соратники в 90-х совершили много ошибок, однако им удалось радикально изменить структуру экономики. Я считаю, что и он, и ряд тех людей, которые с ним работали тогда, конечно, совершили много ошибок. И образ определенный сформировался, но кто-то должен был сделать то, что они сделали. Они изменили всю структуру российской экономики и по сути изменили темп развития."
          http://vz.ru/news/2013/4/25/630312.html

          And that such figures as Solzhenitsyn contributed to this murder.
          Putin told what he was talking with Solzhenitsyn.
          "We talked about the current situation, about the future of the country. For my part, I drew the attention of the writer to the fact that some of the steps that we are taking today are largely in tune with what Solzhenitsyn wrote."
          http://www.newsru.com/russia/12jun2007/solj.html
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 24 October 2015 17: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            That they killed the Soviet regime since the 60s, and killed in the 77th, when they stuck a freak of the 6th article in the constitution.

            Do you remember this yourself? Do not tell, they don’t live that much. I'm January 62th, if that.

            Your quotes, Vasya - are sick of it already. They do not convince of anything, by the way. Like - write .. hello to you from cats and dogs (I have two of them already, everyone has what they have)

            Somehow repeat
        4. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 19: 10 New
          0
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Let me remind you that the Soviet Union collapsed under Soviet power.

          well reminded further?
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    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 34 New
      -7
      Quote: Bayonet
      Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.

      The latest weapons systems are ALREADY being created, GLONASS has been created - Russia is the second country in the world with its own navigation system, a new spaceport is being built, there is nothing to count. But you persistently do not want to see it.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 24 October 2015 17: 30 New
        0
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Quote: Bayonet
        Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.
        The latest weapons systems are ALREADY being created,

        IMHO you answered the wrong question ..
  • BMW
    BMW 23 October 2015 15: 29 New
    +7
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    I don’t know how YOU are, and Russia emerges from the crisis quite successfully, becoming one of the leading world powers

    DEMAGOGUE
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 36 New
      0
      Quote: bmw
      DEMAGOGUE

      And to justify? laughing
      Or can you just poke cons? bully
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 36 New
      -1
      Quote: bmw
      DEMAGOGUE

      And to justify? laughing
      Or can you just poke cons? bully
  • forwarder
    forwarder 25 October 2015 00: 18 New
    0
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    But the fact is that it is DEBT. And Russia lives on its own, within its means.

    In order not to argue from scratch, you can see Allianz 2015 data for 2014.
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  • fif21
    fif21 23 October 2015 09: 45 New
    -16
    Quote: Penetrator
    Nothing good came of it
    Let me disagree with you! Comparing 70 years and 2000. I find that life has become better now. Admit it at least to yourself. hi
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 October 2015 15: 33 New
      +9
      Quote: fif21
      . I find that life has become better now. Admit it at least to yourself.

      I confess to officials, cops, judges and other prosecutors
    2. BMW
      BMW 23 October 2015 15: 33 New
      +8
      Quote: fif21
      . I find that life has become better now.

      It depends on what values ​​to take as a base. If vital, then worse.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 03 New
        -1
        Quote: bmw
        If vital, then worse.

        Shops are empty, citizens swelling from hunger are buying cars with special cynicism for the last penny ...

        Do not tell, you are our demagogue, homegrown. laughing
        1. Hon
          Hon 23 October 2015 18: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Shops are empty, citizens swelling from hunger are buying cars with special cynicism for the last penny ...

          if citizens buy cars so actively, why is there a crisis in the automotive industry? AvtoVAZ cuts 6000 people, by the way they have an average salary of 20 tr, which is called do not deny yourself anything.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 23 October 2015 18: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: Hon
            AvtoVAZ

            Avtotaz has long been no longer a car .. and you are not in the know, apparently
            1. Hon
              Hon 23 October 2015 18: 34 New
              +1
              so if only AvtoVAZ
          2. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 36 New
            -1
            Quote: Hon
            if citizens buy cars so actively, why is there a crisis in the automotive industry?

            Well, like small children. laughing
            WORLD CRISIS !!!! Who does not have a crisis ??? There is a crisis in the USA, a crisis in geyrops, in China, India ... EVERYWHERE !!!
            And then, not such a crisis, if VAZ learned to make cars, did KAMAZ expand its line of cars?
            What do you want from Russia with 146 million against the half-billion geyropa, three hundred million US, almost three million in China and India ??? fool
            Our population is only half a percent of the world.
            1. Hon
              Hon 23 October 2015 18: 43 New
              +6
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              WORLD CRISIS !!!! Who does not have a crisis ??? There is a crisis in the USA, a crisis in geyrops, in China, India ... EVERYWHERE !!!

              yeah world, but for some reason the biggest problems are with Russia, the ruble is the weakest currency even in relation to the hryvnia, TO THE Hryvnia CARL !!! Capital and business are fleeing from Russia and not from the EU and the USA, although they seem to live on debt and we can afford it.
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              What do you want from Russia with 146 million against the half-billion geyropa, three hundred million US, almost three million in China and India ???
              Our population is only half a percent of the world.

              only we have more gas and other natural resources than the United States, Europe and China combined. Actually due to this we live
              And for some reason, when Ireland is cited as an example, the argument that they have a small population is interpreted in their favor
              1. Penetrator
                Penetrator 23 October 2015 19: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Hon
                only we have more gas and other natural resources than the United States, Europe and China combined. Actually due to this we live

                This is clear to any sane person. That we have more resources and that we live at their expense. Only stubborn dolbotrotov type VseDoFeNi is unknown. Well, they believe that Russia has bent all and has become a leading world power. They live in a parallel world, in my opinion ..
              2. atalef
                atalef 23 October 2015 19: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: Hon
                only we have more gas and other natural resources than the United States, Europe and China combined

                Nothing like that, they have much more in common
                Quote: Hon
                And for some reason, when Ireland is cited as an example, the argument that they have a small population is interpreted in their favor

                I'll tell you a terrible thing. 2,5 times more population in America than in Russia
            2. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 18: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              WORLD CRISIS !!!!

              There is no global crisis.
              Especially in the USA
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              And then, not such a crisis

              So GDP, DAM and Kab.min-all lie?
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              if VAZ learned to make a car, KAMAZ expanded the range of cars?

              well, if you learned, then really, what a crisis laughing

              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              what do you want from Russia with 146 million against the half-billion geyropa, three hundred million US, almost three million in China and India ???

              Indeed, what then can be generally demanded of Monaco, Luxembourg or some kind of shattered Sweden, and in Africa in one month it dies from AIDS, more than people live there.
            3. KDV22
              KDV22 23 October 2015 21: 26 New
              0
              So if it is global, so why exacerbate it in Russia? Few people here are aware, but from November 15 a new levy will be introduced that will affect trucks with a max allowed. weighing more than 12 tons for travel on federal highways in the amount of 3.73 rubles per 1 km of track. Can you imagine what this will turn out for the economy? And for car owners, small entrepreneurs? Moreover, the money must be paid BEFORE leaving the flight! Why on TV about this is silent? Prices ABSOLUTELY FOR ALL DIRECTLY grow 10 percent!
              And you are talking about KAMAZ (which Mercedes is an actress in fact), but at the cosmodromes (which are also needed).
          3. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 36 New
            -1
            Quote: Hon
            if citizens buy cars so actively, why is there a crisis in the automotive industry?

            Well, like small children. laughing
            WORLD CRISIS !!!! Who does not have a crisis ??? There is a crisis in the USA, a crisis in geyrops, in China, India ... EVERYWHERE !!!
            And then, not such a crisis, if VAZ learned to make cars, did KAMAZ expand its line of cars?
            What do you want from Russia with 146 million against the half-billion geyropa, three hundred million US, almost three million in China and India ??? fool
            Our population is only half a percent of the world.
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    4. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 25 New
      0
      Quote: fif21
      Let me disagree with you! Comparing 70 years and 2000. I find that life has become better now. Admit it at least to yourself. hi

      The anger will not agree with you and will mercilessly minus. smile
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  • a housewife
    a housewife 24 October 2015 03: 41 New
    0
    Я не разрушала страну ни с какими возгласами. Никто из моих родных и друзей не разрушал страну ни с какими возгласами. Даже если бы мы этого хотели - мы не смогли бы этого сделать. Никак. Разве мы бросали работать и устраивали майданы? Разве мы что-то громили? Разве мы разворовывали? И за Ельцина я не голосовала.Кто всё развалил? Все это знают. И не только трое в Беловежской пуще. Есть непотопляемый Чубайс. Ещё лет 7-8 назад слышала, как он в "Школе злословия" спокойно так объяснил - никто приватизацией и не собирался что-либо дать народу, просто мы хотели отобрать имущество у коммунистов, мы отобрали.Мы! И верно, не один же он действовал. Кто развалил? Кто сейчас живёт припеваючи, они и развалили. Откуда они все взялись и резво порулили страной, финансами? Разбой в чистом виде. И красиво все свалили на народ. Народ плохо распорядился своей жизнью! Народ безмолствует. Потому что всё понимает. В том числе и то, что ничего сделать не может. Революции всегда кто-то организовывает, он же получает и выгоду, не народ. Стихийные бунты тем более ник чему хорошему не приводят. Нас всё-таки хорошо учили в школе.
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  • shershen
    shershen 23 October 2015 08: 57 New
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    Credit bondage is not wealth.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 09: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: shershen
      Credit bondage is not wealth.

      Moderate your Wishlist and everything will be fine. Taking a loan is justified in less than 1% of cases.

      Вот тут прекрасно показано, как вами манипулируют, "резвясь в вашем правом полушарии".

    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 October 2015 15: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: shershen
      Credit bondage is not wealth.

      Quote: shershen
      Credit bondage is not wealth.

      Why take loans? I never took and will not take - I do not want to feed the parasites. If something is needed, I will save and buy it - without overpayment! And who has impatience - overpay. You ask, for example, a friend, do you take a loan for hell to change your TV? And he answers - I can’t save, they don’t hold on to me (money) request
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        Why take loans? I never took and will not take - I do not want to feed the parasites.
        I shake my hand, taking off my hat! Loans, this is a DIRECT source of inflation - took a loan - robbed himself and the rest of the people.

        Quote: Bayonet
        And he answers - I can’t save, they don’t hold on to me (money)

        So this is not the government's fault, but mother nature. laughing
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 23 October 2015 18: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          So this is not the government's fault, but Mother Nature

          That's right, they will get loans, they will grab everything, but they don’t think about how to give back! Well, I do not understand these! hi
        2. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 19: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          I shake my hand, taking off my hat! Loans, this is a direct source of inflation

          what the hell?
          Loans go to the sphere of goods and services i.e. are the usual working capital in the economy
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            what the hell?
            Loans go to the sphere of goods and services i.e. are the usual working capital in the economy

            atalef, I was not hired as the deputy of Yandex. Search the search engines. I’ll quote you, but I’m tired of this already.
            .2.3. Credit and money issues
            It is that toEach new loan provided by the bank to the borrower increases the national money supply by at least the amount of the loan. In other words, a new bank loan is a credit issue of non-cash funds, or, as they sometimes say, banks themselves create new money.

            In the understanding that the bank as a company that stores the money of one client and lends this money to another, increases the total amount of money - there is nothing special and complicated. This was done during the gold and silver circulation. Having received the money for storage, the banker wrote it down to the owner’s account as his debt. If he then issued the same other people's money on credit to another, then cash appeared in circulation, along with the fact that non-cash remained on the account of their owner.

            Ещё в поиск "операции с частичным резервированием".
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 October 2015 08: 57 New
              0
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              on is that each new loan provided by the bank to the borrower increases the national money supply, at least by the amount of the loan. In other words, a new bank loan is a credit issue of non-cash funds, or, as they sometimes say, banks themselves create new money.

              Do not tell tales, commercial banks receive (buy) money from the Central Bank, which regulates the money supply. (CB rate)
              Therefore, automatically your statement - just ridiculous and generally give a reference, otkel this nonsense?

              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              as they sometimes say, banks themselves create new money.

              Banks (commercial) do not create money, they are printed by the Central Bank. Remember this magic word, the Central Bank is responsible for issuing money and therefore sells them with a base rate higher than expected inflation, and commercial banks still wind up their margins. So where from? Sir inflation?
              Have you heard about the monetary easing policy, about the negative rate of the Central Bank? When you take a loan, and give less than you took (Japan. Switzerland, a little more and Europe) - why is there inflation lower than the Russian Federation?
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Why take loans? I never took and will not take - I do not want to feed the parasites.
        I shake my hand, taking off my hat! Loans, this is a DIRECT source of inflation - took a loan - robbed himself and the rest of the people.

        Quote: Bayonet
        And he answers - I can’t save, they don’t hold on to me (money)

        So this is not the government's fault, but mother nature. laughing
      3. Hello
        Hello 23 October 2015 19: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Why take loans? I never took and will not take - I do not want to feed the parasites. If something is needed, I will save and buy it - without overpayment! And who has impatience - overpay. You ask, for example, a friend, do you take a loan for hell to change your TV? And he answers - I can’t save, they don’t hold on to me (money)

        I do not agree with you, dear, I’ll give an example of myself, I took a car loan of 4.5% for 5 years. I can save money for a car for 5 years and even save some money, but I need a car now and not after 5 years, therefore overpay. hi
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 24 October 2015 04: 41 New
          +1
          So you need to start saving up not when the car is needed. hi
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 October 2015 14: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Hello
          but I need a car now and not after 5 years, therefore I overpay.

          This is a different case. Most people take it not for urgent needs, but many just from show-offs - a fashionable smartphone, a car that is no worse than that of a neighbor, but a lot of things ... And most importantly - where you will find such a percentage in Russia - 4.5 !!!!!!! It’s elementary for us that a person pays a year, and then finds out that he owes even more than before !!!request
        3. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 25 October 2015 08: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Hello
          I can save money for a car in 5 years and even save some money, but I need a car now and not in 5 years, therefore I overpay. hi

          Вы купили машину потому, что вам это НАВЯЗЫВАЮТ. Посмотрите фильм "99 франков", там прекрасно показано, "кто резвится в вашем правом полушарии". laughing



          And here is your portrait, not in the sense of gender, in the sense of meaningless behavior. Believe me, uncle, advertisers and marketers knowingly get the loot by inhaling a fetish so that you don’t notice it. wink
          Lena Vurdalakina drinks cola, smokes marlboro, chews stimorol and eats three-throated gambugers at McDonald's. She always smells longer than gabbana, and Lena carries her iPhone in a bag from Louisville.
          At the same time, Lena is sure that the advertisement does not work on her in any way, and a sick stomach and an empty wallet are her own choice.
          Хищные рыла с телеэкранов хором поддерживают Лену в ее наивном заблуждении: "Ты свободный человек, Леночка, ты умная и красивая женщина, ты всегда абсолютно добровольно и независимо выбираешь, кому из нас ты покорно отнесешь очередную свою зарплату.
  • anip
    anip 23 October 2015 09: 49 New
    19
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    And Russia has a chance to pass this crisis in passing.

    Как пройти? Обвал рубля в два раза, повышение цен, снижение зарплат, сокращения работающих - это и есть "пройти кризис мимоходом"? А что тогда "не мимоходом"?

    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.

    This is just a clear indication that people do not have money to save for a car and buy. While a person will save up for a car, the price will rise, otherwise the ruble will collapse, so they buy on credit and drive 5-15 year old cars.

    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy.

    What do you have in mind, beggars? People like you, hoo-Utriots, enthusiastically poke in the United States, up (s), hoping that there really-how many beggars in trailers live and do not know how to live in the comfort that trailer towns provide for million inhabitants of the Russian Federation simply for happiness. And yes, almost all the poor living in trailer towns have cars, and not cheap at all. Or, in your opinion, a beggar in the Russian Federation is climbing tanks and living in a heating main, and a beggar in the USA is having a jeep and living in a comfortable trailer?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 23 October 2015 18: 34 New
      0
      Quote: anip
      How to get

      Straight.

      Anip, as far as I see you - you are always feeling bad .. maybe, what to fix in the conservatory? repeat
  • Hon
    Hon 23 October 2015 10: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past.

    and oil wasn’t so expensive. By the way, this is not Moscow by accident in the photo, it painfully reminds the area of ​​Lyubertsy fields, although all the new areas are similar. A101 developer probably their design
    1. orskpdc
      orskpdc 23 October 2015 15: 08 New
      +2
      There is a crisis in Russia, and Friday in Moscow !!
  • Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 16: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    remember the fall of the 90s
    Remember. How does this justify the current state of affairs?

    after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists
    Lying. They were corrupt, but they were not brainless, and the Communists were only on party cards.

    in 1991 entered the world economy
    Lying. In the 90s, Russia only Have begun fit into the world economy, and the main stages of this fit took place in the zero, and ended with the signing of documents by Putin on Russia's accession to the WTO.

    26.05.2004/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin: more integration into the world economy.
    The second direction is the inclusion of Russia in the world economy. “Accession to conditions favorable to Russia to the WTO”, increasing exports, protecting Russian companies abroad.
    “It is important that the enlarged European Union borders with us not only geographically, but also economically and spiritually,” the president said.
    http://polit.ru/news/2004/05/26/ecconomyy/

    04.06.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin: the financial crisis has not changed Russia's course towards integration into the global economy.
    “I’m sure that the speedy accession of Russia to the WTO and the OECD on mutually acceptable and non-discriminatory conditions will enhance the stability of world trade and the economic system,” Putin said at a meeting with representatives of Russian and Finnish business circles on Wednesday.

    22.11.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Vladimir Putin: “Russia will continue to integrate into the global economy”
    “We are negotiating accession to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. We hope to become its full member in the near future. ”
    http://altaypost.ru/11207-vladimir-putin-rossiya-prodolzhit-integraciyu-v-mirovu
    yu-ekonomiku.html

    the economy in the west will plummet
    laughing

    And in fact, things in Russia, living within our means, and not in debt, are much better
    And that is why Vladimir Vladimirovich constantly pushes about the need to attract foreign investment - the essence of borrowed funds lol

    The graph is left, made by a Finnish company, drawing and writing for grandmas anything.

    Real GDP (market price goods and services) from 2005 to 2013 increased by 33.5% compared to 2005.
    http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/ru/rates/46880c804a41fb53
    bdcebf78e6889fb6

    Today, under Putin, the people
    Commenting on this nonsense is pointless.
    К тому же, как я писал в другой теме, "при Путине" совершенно не равно "благодаря Путину".

    Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy
    They buy, and it is on credit (just take and buy - there is no money for this)

    А самое главное, прямо относящееся к статье - это то, что якобы необходимость повышения пенсионного возраста возникла не при Путине ("при" не равно "благодаря"), а именно благодаря Путину - благодаря проводимым им экономической политике и пенсионной реформе.
  • Lapotnik
    Lapotnik 23 October 2015 16: 18 New
    +8
    Епаны... Закоелебали со своим не покупают! и не покупают 80% населения страны. То что у вас под окнами, это та самая пресловутая прослойка среднего класса, составляющая чуть более 15% населения, и то, это даже не официальные россияне, а на 30-40% торгаши понаехавшие и "бизнесмены". Вы блин в метро в последний раз когда были? Если по вашей логике, то из метро и из маршруток уже должна была львиная доля пересесть в машины.

    The car is not a luxury, but a vehicle, and they should not buy it on CREDIT but on EARNED! And this is the BASIC thing to think about!
    And not all of Russia buys! Most of the used cars, sales fell by 40-50% with the crisis, what’s new, what’s used, but he doesn’t care.
  • Lapotnik
    Lapotnik 23 October 2015 16: 18 New
    +1
    Епаны... Закоелебали со своим не покупают! и не покупают 80% населения страны. То что у вас под окнами, это та самая пресловутая прослойка среднего класса, составляющая чуть более 15% населения, и то, это даже не официальные россияне, а на 30-40% торгаши понаехавшие и "бизнесмены". Вы блин в метро в последний раз когда были? Если по вашей логике, то из метро и из маршруток уже должна была львиная доля пересесть в машины.

    The car is not a luxury, but a vehicle, and they should not buy it on CREDIT but on EARNED! And this is the BASIC thing to think about!
    And not all of Russia buys! Most of the used cars, sales fell by 40-50% with the crisis, what’s new, what’s used, but he doesn’t care.
  • onix757
    onix757 23 October 2015 20: 31 New
    -1
    In the Union, the minimum wage of about 70r was at the same time utility bills amounted to about 2-3 rubles. Today the average salary in the country is 15 thousand, the communal service is 5-6 thousand or 30% of the salary. And this is not counting taxes, the needs of kindergartens, schools, and expensive gasoline. Richer than steel? I doubt it .. Well, the fact that they drove people into credit slavery, giving them the opportunity to buy cars and other equipment, is still slavery and nothing compared to the real values ​​that we lost.
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 24 October 2015 00: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: onix757
      In the Union, the minimum wage of about 70r was at the same time utility bills amounted to about 2-3 rubles. Today the average salary in the country is 15 thousand; communal service is 5-6 thousand or 30% of the salary
      And why do you compare the minimum wage in the USSR with the average (which is actually over 32000, with a median of 25000) in Russia?

      The minimum wage in the USSR is 70 rubles, utility bills 2-3 rubles.
      The minimum wage in the Russian Federation is 5965 rubles, utility bills 5-6 thousand rubles.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 October 2015 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: onix757
      . Well, the fact that people were driven into credit slavery

      Никто никого туда в шею не гонит! Ну а если " туп, как дерево, — родишься баобабом И будешь баобабом жить всю жизнь, пока помрёшь." (В.Высоцкий) hi
  • UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 23 October 2015 07: 46 New
    -4
    Это не "правительство медведева" потому что медведев в нём лишь зиц-председатель, а антипутинский экономический блок.
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 October 2015 10: 33 New
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      Quote: UrraletZ
      and the anti-Putin economic bloc.

      this anti-Putin bloc was appointed by Putin, and by the way, Putin repeatedly praised them for their work. Recently awarded the Order
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 23 October 2015 11: 53 New
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      Quote: UrraletZ
      Это не "правительство медведева" потому что медведев в нём лишь зиц-председатель, а антипутинский экономический блок.

      Medvedev, chairman of United Russia - United Russia represents a majority in the Duma (even if the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party, the Soviet Union unite as a counterweight). Based on this, none of the draft laws that worsen the situation of Russian citizens can be blocked a priori.
      Понятно, что разрушительное действие этих законов завуалировано и заретушировано"благими намерениями" и посулом, что потом будет непременно лучше. А что лучше? Уже звучат предложения привлечь иностранные фонды для разработки Пенсионной реформы России. С КАКОЙ СТАТИ? Эти ИНОСТРАННЫЕ СОВЕТНИКИ-нам уже так насоветовали в 90-х, что до сих пор с трудом поднимаем из руин свою экономику. Медицину и образование под иностранный стандарт реформируем так, что не стало ни образования, ни медицины. Пародия. Лесную реформу провели-тайга горит,незаконные рубки стали эпидемией, охот.угодья растащили хитрожо.. и пресуют зверя круглый год,хуже браконьеров, охотника обложили как зайца усложняя ему возможность обладания оружием и ограничивая в доступе в угодья.Охота для богатых! Земельная реформа заставит дачников за 6 соток платить непомерные налоги, по сути сгоняя их с земли...И это всё проталкивается опираясь на Единую Россию возглавляемую ДАМом.
      Это "хитромудрое" решение по повышению пенс.возраста только для гос.чиновников, является тем самым булыжником, который до поры уложен запазуху правительства и которым оно вскоре ударит по народу, под лозунгом -"Мы на себе проверили и не жужжим".
      Why buzz? A senator from the Komi Republic receives 450 thousand rubles a month (they all have the same salary there) - that is, 15000 per day !!! + state support, free travel, state housing, 13 salaries with bonuses in the amount of some salaries. And why should they break into retirement? For them, the trick is how not to retire !!!
      With us, not every pensioner receives a pension of 15000 and stretches for a MONTH! Many have to turn around and earn extra money, but even the DAM government turned a blind eye to this extra money - offering not to index pensions for working pensioners! Absurd! A senior citizen with an extra income detaches income 13%, and the government does not want to unfasten 2-4% having a pensioner from 9-11%.
      Одним словом Единая Россия - главный тормоз России. Когда будут выборы - Думайте о детях и о родителях, которые не могут ни выучится, ни вылечиться, ни старость спокойную встретить и не забывайте о "ништяках" прошедших через единоросовское думское большинство.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 23 October 2015 15: 26 New
        +4
        I would very much like to live until that bright day when the people will judge the overthrown rulers
      2. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 16: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Medvedev, chairman of United Russia - United Russia represents a majority in the Duma (even if the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party, the Soviet Union unite as a counterweight). Based on this, none of the draft laws that worsen the situation of Russian citizens can be blocked a priori.

        In a word, United Russia is Russia's main brake.
        From 2008 to 2012, the chairman of EP was Putin.

        On October 3, 2013, at a meeting with EP assets, Putin said:
        "Спасибо и за добрые слова, и за констатацию того факта, что «Единая Россия» остаётся – по сути, так прозвучало – надёжной опорой государства. Вы понимаете, это чрезвычайно важная вещь.
        Of course, support for the Government is very important, support for the President of a leading political force is very important, but most importantly, the party, which I really created, and not just stood at the origins, если быть точным, за все годы своего существования превратилась в надёжную опору государства Российского."
        http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/19356

        Putin worked with Medvedev at the mayor's office of St. Petersburg, dragged him along to Moscow, appointed him prime minister, and proposed Medvedev's candidacy for the posts of chairman of the United Russia and the president.

        The bills adopted by the EP that worsen the situation of Russian citizens contradict Part 2 of Article 55 of the Constitution, the guarantor of which is the President of the Russian Federation, whose position 11 years from the last 15 years has been held by Putin.
        In order for the bill to become law, the president must sign it, veto and being the guarantor of the constitution, whose position 11 years from the last 15 years has been held by Putin.

        There is no difference between Putin, Medvedev and United Russia - they have common interests and goals.
    3. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 16: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: UrraletZ
      anti-Putin economic bloc.
      13.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Russian President Vladimir Putin praised the government and the Central Bank for acting in times of crisis.

      “I allow myself to say good words to the government of the Russian Federation, the Central Bank. Despite all the difficulties and difficulties that the Russian economy has encountered, our economic management team has demonstrated a high level of responsibility, consistency and consistently achieved results, ”Mr. Putin quoted Interfax from the VTB Capital forum“ Russia is Calling! ” .

      http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2831584
  • sherp2015
    sherp2015 23 October 2015 08: 19 New
    +6
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Today, the solvency of citizens is falling,

    Yeah .... much further.



    Saving in the country will be significant if the current government and the State Duma are reformed and reduced and their salaries are equalized with all payments from the average plumber in the country. They bred mediocrity and loafers and gave them the levers of governing the country ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 23 October 2015 08: 30 New
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      Стоит ли переживать за вот таких будущих "пенсионеров? Если закон коснётся только их и им подобным, то страна от этого только потеряет. Я бы их наоборот отправлял на пенсию принудительно лет в 50 и со средней пенсией по стране. А вот таким труженикам, как эта бабушка, платил бы пенсию, какую будут платить в будущем этим работникам пенсионного фонда и остальным госчиновникам.
      1. Petrovich1952
        Petrovich1952 23 October 2015 10: 19 New
        +6
        On the contrary, I would send them forcibly to retire at 50 years old and with an average pension in the country. 46 years of experience 9976 with a penny can be on BAGAMA with such a pension
  • shershen
    shershen 23 October 2015 08: 59 New
    +8
    They will increase, increase, and even under the amicable applause of the slaves, and, oddly enough, this will only increase.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 October 2015 15: 16 New
      +4
      Well, yes, yes, and they will add a pension ....
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  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 23 October 2015 09: 03 New
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    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Yeah .... much further

    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    our native government MEDVEDEVA will present more than one surprise to its people

    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    PUTIN, unfortunately, is not too strong in the economy, but I still hope for his talent to overcome crisis situations with flying colors

    So how does it fit in your mind? Medvedev pursues some sort of independent anti-people policy, and Putin is tied hand and foot mournfully look at it from the outside?
    Who built the vertical of power in Russia for 15 years? Obama or what? Obama appoints Medvedev prime minister? Well, move a little gyrus, tighten the brain so that an answer to the question appears MORE ...
  • Sharapov
    Sharapov 23 October 2015 10: 46 New
    0
    There was infa that only civil servants will increase their age - i.e. 3 extra years give them to stay at the helm .. You can (and should) compensate .......
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 October 2015 10: 51 New
    +5
    Yeah .... much further.
    Dear Alexei, the words Medvedev and Putin are synonyms.
  • Skif83
    Skif83 23 October 2015 11: 06 New
    +1
    We have become two, three times poorer since last year, and our native government of MEDVEDEV will present one more surprise to its people.
    Here it is, an unpredictable, with surprises, government of liberals.
    Someone is voting for him, or rather, for EP, which is lobbying for various Siluanovs. The result, as they say, on the face!
    Economics is the weakest point in RUSSIA
    , and this is in the richest country in the world (meaning resources)!
    But not so much the economy is weak as the power that allows itself to have such an economy!
  • Will
    Will 23 October 2015 11: 13 New
    +3
    А кто-бы мне объяснил, какая польза от пенсионного возраста? В мире, где нет возможности нормально зарабатывать молодым и сильным, требуются усилия тех, кто уже не так молод и силен? Безработица "шагает по планете", а к безработным приписывать еще и пожилых? В чем "фокус"? В том, что безработному можно не платить, если его по какой-то причине не устраивает предлагаемая работа? Т.е. увеличить "фактор рабства"? Если экономически честно взглянуть на суть происходящего, учитывая, что деньги - эквивалент товара, то инфляция реальное превышение денежной массы на количество товара. Так? Так. А что делают с товаром, который не реализован, потому что у многих массово, не хватает денег? Его стремятся тем или иным способом уничтожить, да и время его уничтожает и даже "мода". А деньги не уничтожаются, хотя периодически и происходит девальвация - списывание нулей у тех, кто сам уже не знает куда эти нули "заткнуть". Вот и запихивают в "услуги", которых не счесть и которых больше половины на фиг не нужны, но надо же делать вид, что платиться за работу? Что-то можно наладить/отладить, если выбросить "за борт" явно ненужные "услуги" - например, по раздуванию денежного "воздушного" пузыря, состоящего на обслуге "понтов" власти и славы, которые по сути, кроме головной боли всем - как низам, так и верхам, ничего не прибавляют.
    Головная боль в виде явного и зримого неравенства земного бытия, ибо очень многое опирается на "зрелищность" и совершенно теряется "закулисье", что и создает видимость "праздника". Кого хотим обмануть-то? Ведь КАЖДЫЙ, в первую очередь, занимается самообманом и через это обманывает других. И самый первый обман - почему у одних за проделанное когда-то "капают" девиденты на возможность бездействия, а у других затрачивается личное время, данное от рождения на "облегчение" жизни другим, не только ничего не прибывает, но явно убывает? И не в этом ли начало того, что внутренне каждым воспринимается как несправедливость, принуждая "незаконно" брать то, что "плохо лежит", ибо тоже мечтается "пожить" "королем", не понимая, что у "короля" свои заморочки, если он истинный "король", тот, кто отвечает за свой народ, как за самого себя.
    Но много ли таких "королей"? Или всеобщее воспитание и образование на столько обмельчали, что ни королей, ни настоящих "бойцов трудового фронта", вырастить уже не получается? И кто может сказать, что основа основ любого сообщества есть именно процесс воспитания и образования, который если и связан с пенсионерами, то только по семье - ячейке любого государства. Разрушая семью через воспитание и образование любое государство разрушает себя. Но это понимание тоже воспитывается и образовывается в головах будущих гос.служащих, а если этого нет, то имеем то, что имеем - революционную ситуацию, когда низы не хотят, а верхи не могут.
  • severbob
    severbob 23 October 2015 14: 45 New
    -3
    it’s not long before the presidential election
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 23 October 2015 14: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: severbob
      ... it's time to change the steering

      Who are you suggesting?
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 23 October 2015 16: 30 New
      -5
      Quote: severbob
      it’s not long before the presidential election

      There is no need to change the steering, but the government needs to be thoroughly shaken up.
      Russia rises in the international arena thanks to the policy of GDP, but domestic economic growth is hindered by cubs and do everything possible to rock the situation from the inside, to change independent foreign policy to pro-Western ....
      1. Hon
        Hon 23 October 2015 17: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        but domestic economic growth is being hindered by cubs and doing everything possible to rock the situation from the inside

        as usual, the king is a good bad boyars.
        naive Putin does not even suspect whom he himself has appointed to responsible government posts.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 October 2015 17: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: Hon
          naive Putin does not even suspect whom he himself has appointed to responsible government posts.

  • go21zd45few
    go21zd45few 23 October 2015 16: 59 New
    0
    This mediocre government plans to reduce the percentage of pension indexation from 12 to 4%,
    due to this savings to raise the salary of state officials. Duma who already receive a salary that does not correspond to their work. This is how our government robbed a disadvantaged category of people in favor of fat-burning officials. Moderate your appetites
    Messrs. ministers and deputies of state. reduce your salaries by at least 25% and there will be significant savings, and stop experimenting with people, otherwise it may end badly for you. Patience of the people is not unlimited.
  • Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 23 October 2015 06: 33 New
    19
    @ crap! There is no other word for scolding these reformers and brains. Do not be there to save! Where do you live gentlemen Ulyukaev? You ask us where to save, we will give you hundreds of opportunities! Do not touch us! Announce that in 20 years the retirement age will be raised, then no one will be outraged and everyone will understand. ssuki! Everything, there are no more words ...
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 23 October 2015 06: 38 New
      13
      Quote: Tatar 174
      Announce that in 20 years the retirement age will be raised, then no one will be outraged and everyone will understand.

      Well, nafig. After 50 it’s already hard to get a job.
      1. Lenin
        Lenin 23 October 2015 07: 00 New
        +2
        Well, apparently the state will nevertheless solve the issue of employment, let’s say the places of the same officials. Rotation laughing
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 07: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: GRAY
        Well, nafig. After 50 it’s already hard to get a job.

        You will not believe it, but according to rumors, it is difficult for youth to get a job. You are not talking about digging trenches, but about a highly paid ...
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 23 October 2015 08: 55 New
          +9
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          You will not believe it, but according to rumors, it is difficult for youth to get a job.

          So it is rumored that practice shows something else. The young are always more willing to take, if there is a choice of whom to take, they will take the young.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 09: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: GRAY
            The young are always more willing to take, if there is a choice of whom to take, they will take the young.

            Tell this to the director of my daughter, who does not want to take her to work, although she is obliged to do this by law, not having the right to dismiss her before the child turns 3 years old. OBLIGATED to accept for the same position, but here you go ... was in good standing before the decree.

            We have capitalism since 1991 - each for itself.

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          3. Lenin
            Lenin 23 October 2015 10: 29 New
            +7
            I can’t help but supplement, it’s just pained. Even if you are a good specialist with a good Soviet education and experience of more than 10 young people, you may not be hired, such as not promising and they won’t be appointed director with a good salary. As a rule, the director will be young, and as a rule, not an expert, but aplomb and ambition that he knows everything and that everything is so simple, what is there to do and what should he pay for those 10 specialists? Therefore, you will probably be taken as a worker or an engineer, because if the leaders are not professionals, then who will work?
            Below is a good video reflecting the principle of operation of most offices.
            1. pts-m
              pts-m 23 October 2015 14: 37 New
              +7
              something reminiscent of a meeting of the Russian government, is not it.
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 24 October 2015 05: 12 New
                0
                Churkin or Lavrov at the UN.
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            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 55 New
              0
              Quote: Lenin
              They may not take you to work, such as not promising, and they won’t definitely put the director with a good salary. As a rule, the director will be young, and as a rule, not an expert, but aplomb and ambition that he knows everything and that everything is so simple, what is there to do and what should he pay for those 10 specialists?

              Life will put everything in its place. There were those during the gold rush who lit a cigarette from a hundred-dollar bill, having become very rich. And where are they all? Many Russian unfortunate businessmen have the brains of the stalls, as they were, they have remained. It’s profitable to buy, profitable to sell, to give less and take more.
              1. Lenin
                Lenin 26 October 2015 18: 45 New
                0
                Well, as in a joke. There are classmates dvoechnik and excellent student. Graduate: Well, how are you?
                - Nothing, says an excellent student. I work as an engineer, somehow make ends meet, but how are you?
                L-100: I have everything OK, I am a businessman, I buy for 200 rubles, I sell for 2 and I live for these XNUMX percent.
        2. dr. sem
          dr. sem 23 October 2015 09: 44 New
          10
          Не только молодёжи трудно. Предприятия стоят или банкротятся. Новых производств не открывают. Экономикой вообще никто не занимается. "Пилят" бюджет и только... А нефтедолларов не хватает. Привыкли "пильщики-откатчики" к сладкой кормушке, а в ней - ДЫРА из-за падения цен "за баррель"... Вот и хочется не часть бюджета "пилить"(тощий стал), а ВЕСЬ БЮДЖЕТ, а пенсионеров - на "помойку, как не вписавшихся в рынок"...
        3. fif21
          fif21 23 October 2015 09: 56 New
          -4
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          You won’t believe it, but according to rumors, it’s hard for youth to get a job
          Who wants to work, he gets a job. But you won’t be able to get good money right away, you need work experience, rank. At 60, experienced personnel leave, and there is no one to replace them equally. So they want to exploit specialists to the end.
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        5. Hon
          Hon 23 October 2015 10: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          You will not believe it, but according to rumors, it is difficult for youth to get a job. You are not talking about digging trenches, but about a highly paid ...

          Digging trenches is well paid
      3. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 07: 56 New
        0
        Quote: GRAY
        Well, nafig. After 50 it’s already hard to get a job.

        You will not believe it, but according to rumors, it is difficult for youth to get a job. You are not talking about digging trenches, but about a highly paid ...
      4. gispanec
        gispanec 23 October 2015 10: 19 New
        12
        Quote: GRAY
        Well, nafig. After 50 it's already hard to get a job

        at 46 it’s almost impossible to get a job ... if only a loader or a carrier .... and they’re already a little old in their specialty ... so there are no hopes for retirement and you need to make your own airbag ..... personally .....
    2. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 23 October 2015 07: 45 New
      +5
      There is no other word to scold these reformers ...

      "татарин 174", уважаемый, не тратьте драгоценные нервы! Их ругать уже поздно, впору уже повсеместно и заботливо окружать их презрением и хулой negative . От циничности российского истеблишмента выворачивает наизнанку: "Дорогой народ! Родина в опасности! Так давайте же в сию суровую годину затянем потуже пояса!" - ну мы то затянули, а ВЫ?!. belay А далее, уважаемый "татарин 174" - всё в точности по Вашему лексикону. hi
    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 07: 51 New
      +6
      Do not start yourself. This will not help anyone.

      Лучше прочтите эту статью http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/825512.html "Грязные новости". И подумайте над этим видео.

    4. gispanec
      gispanec 23 October 2015 10: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Tatar 174
      Announce that in 20 years the retirement age will be raised, then no one will be outraged and everyone will understand. ssuki! Everything, there are no more words ...

      I am outraged .. I am 46 and I can get in 20 years ....
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 October 2015 06: 34 New
    +3
    the phrase "sleep soundly"... There is one place .. where this phrase is replete with constantly .. Yes, and the place is quiet ...
  • GRAY
    GRAY 23 October 2015 06: 36 New
    +7
    I didn’t even understand who would raise government officials or civil servants? Because civil servants include not only officials (persons working in government bodies), but also those who work in government offices (secretaries, couriers, etc.) Almost all law enforcement officials and military personnel are also civil servants (including military service), as well as civilian personnel of military institutions.
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 October 2015 10: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: GRAY
      civil servants are not only officials

      not really so. in order to become an official (they do not use this term now), you need to get a class rank, all civil servants pass the exam and get the rank after about six months or a year of work. the rank gives a small increase in salary, after being dismissed he is not deprived and upon returning to services he already is, the rank increases with time. it is believed that when entering the service, those who have the rank have an advantage
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 23 October 2015 12: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Hon
        not really so. to become an official (

        The janitor at the ministry is also a civil servant.
        1. Hon
          Hon 23 October 2015 13: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: GRAY
          The janitor at the ministry is also a civil servant.

          no, the janitor is not a public servant.

          Civil servant - a citizen of the Russian Federation who has undertaken obligations to undergo civil service. A civil servant carries out professional service activities for civil service posts in accordance with the act of appointment and with a service contract and receives cash support from the federal budget or the budget of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation.

          The procedure for the appropriation and preservation of class ranks of the federal civil service, the ratio of class ranks of the federal civil service and military and special ranks, class ranks of the law enforcement service are determined by decree of the President of the Russian Federation.

          The State Civil Service of the Russian Federation (hereinafter also referred to as the civil service) is a type of public service representing the professional service activities of citizens of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as citizens) in the posts of the state civil service of the Russian Federation (hereinafter also referred to as civil service posts) to ensure the fulfillment of federal powers state bodies, state bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, persons replacing government posts of the Russian Federation, and persons replacing government posts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
        2. Hon
          Hon 23 October 2015 13: 32 New
          +1
          1. Civil service posts are divided into categories and groups.
          2. Civil service posts are divided into the following categories:
          1) heads - positions of heads and deputy heads of state bodies and their structural divisions (hereinafter also referred to as the division), positions of heads and deputy heads of territorial bodies of federal executive bodies and their structural divisions, positions of heads and deputy heads of representative offices of state bodies and their structural divisions replaced for a specified term of office or without limitation of the term of office;
          2) assistants (advisers) - positions established to assist persons holding public positions, heads of state bodies, heads of territorial bodies of federal executive bodies and heads of representations of state bodies in the exercise of their powers and are replaced for a specified period limited by the term of office of these persons or Leaders
          3) specialists - positions established for the professional support of the fulfillment of established tasks and functions by state bodies and replaced without limitation of the term of office;
          4) providing specialists - positions established for organizational, informational, documentary, financial, economic, economic and other support of the activities of state bodies and replaced without limitation of term of office.
          3. Civil service posts are divided into the following groups:
          1) top civil service posts;
          2) the main posts of the civil service;
          3) leading civil service positions;
          4) senior civil service posts;
          5) junior civil service posts.
          4. Positions of the categories "managers" and "assistants (advisers)" are divided into the highest, main and leading groups of positions in the civil service.
          5. Positions of the "specialists" category are subdivided into the highest, main, leading and senior groups of civil service positions.
          6. Positions in the category of "support specialists" are divided into main, leading, senior and junior groups of civil service positions.

          The posts of the federal state civil service are established by federal law or by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, the posts of the state civil service of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation - by laws or other regulatory legal acts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, taking into account the provisions of this Federal Law in order to ensure the execution of the powers of a state body or a person holding a public post .

          Class ranks of the civil service are assigned to civil servants in accordance with the replacement civil service position within the group of civil service posts.
          Civil servants filling the posts of the federal civil service of the junior group are assigned the class rank of civil service - the Secretary of the State Civil Service of the Russian Federation of 1, 2 or 3 class. Civil servants filling the civil service positions of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation are assigned a class civil service rank - Secretary of the State Civil Service of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation of 1, 2 or 3 class.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 23 October 2015 14: 52 New
            0
            From, it's like!
            А "бедный" Ельцин боролся против привилегий! belay Where did they come from? wink
            I am for raising the retirement age above 60 years and even up to 90 years. All high-class officials, from the head of government to the heads of departments of departments, subject to a ban on their previously held positions and compulsory work in low-skilled posts like laborers at a construction site. Away from warm cabinets. When fishing, turma.
            If a serious official should be removed from his post, if he does not comply with the order of the president. What did he say?
            Conclusion: Siluanov and Ulyukanov must be fired. But they won’t get fired. And why?
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 23 October 2015 19: 01 New
              0
              The article is like a guess! The first one went.
              Today, 18: 14
              "Правительство одобрило повышение пенсионного возраста чиновникам"
              Rambler
              And even for five years!
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 October 2015 19: 22 New
                0
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                Правительство одобрило повышение пенсионного возраста чиновникам"

                Well, the people then for officials never lagged behind laughing
                1. Was mammoth
                  Was mammoth 23 October 2015 19: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef

                  Well, then the people for officials never lagged behind laughing

                  Это называется :"Не мытьем, так катанием".
                  Just do not understand. Did the government led by the order bearer officially recognize that officials in Russia live longer than ordinary people? For five years? Do benefits help?
                  And the guarantor is not in the know, either by hearing or not.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 October 2015 19: 53 New
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                    Quote: There was a mammoth
                    Это называется :"Не мытьем, так катанием".
                    Just do not understand. No way the government led by the order bearer officially recognized that officials in Russia live longer than ordinary people

                    In general, you understand, they (the officials) have raised the retirement age. to save pension fund money
                    those. throwing away unnecessary fractions and cutting back. in general - they
                    WANT TO SAVE ON OFFICIALS - someone is trying to live in an alternative universe laughing .
                    1. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 23 October 2015 20: 29 New
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                      Quote: atalef
                      WANT TO SAVE ON OFFICIALS - someone is trying to live in an alternate laughing universe.

                      From this point of view, I have not considered this topic yet. Plus to you from the heart.
                      But, this is the first step, however. One thing is clear, they will continue to rob.
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        4. Hon
          Hon 23 October 2015 13: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: GRAY
          The janitor at the ministry is also a civil servant

          no janitor is a civil servant
          The State Civil Service of the Russian Federation (hereinafter also referred to as the civil service) is a type of public service representing the professional service activities of citizens of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as citizens) in the posts of the state civil service of the Russian Federation (hereinafter also referred to as civil service posts) to ensure the fulfillment of federal powers state bodies, state bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, persons replacing government posts of the Russian Federation, and persons replacing government posts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

          The posts of the federal state civil service are established by federal law or by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, the posts of the state civil service of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation - by laws or other regulatory legal acts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, taking into account the provisions of this Federal Law in order to ensure the execution of the powers of a state body or a person holding a public post .
        5. Army soldier2
          Army soldier2 23 October 2015 15: 51 New
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          GRAY, это не так. Вы ошибаетесь. Посмотрите ФЗ "О государственной гражданской службе".
        6. Army soldier2
          Army soldier2 23 October 2015 15: 51 New
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          GRAY, это не так. Вы ошибаетесь. Посмотрите ФЗ "О государственной гражданской службе".
    2. provincial
      provincial 23 October 2015 12: 22 New
      0
      "К госслужащим относятся также практически все работники правоохранительных органов и военнослужащие (в том числе срочной службы) , а также гражданский персонал военных учреждений"- эти лица идут на пенсию по другим законам.
    3. Hon
      Hon 23 October 2015 13: 36 New
      0
      1. Civil service posts are divided into categories and groups.
      2. Civil service posts are divided into the following categories:
      1) heads - positions of heads and deputy heads of state bodies and their structural divisions (hereinafter also referred to as the division), positions of heads and deputy heads of territorial bodies of federal executive bodies and their structural divisions, positions of heads and deputy heads of representative offices of state bodies and their structural divisions replaced for a specified term of office or without limitation of the term of office;
      2) assistants (advisers) - positions established to assist persons holding public positions, heads of state bodies, heads of territorial bodies of federal executive bodies and heads of representations of state bodies in the exercise of their powers and are replaced for a specified period limited by the term of office of these persons or Leaders
      3) specialists - positions established for the professional support of the fulfillment of established tasks and functions by state bodies and replaced without limitation of the term of office;
      4) providing specialists - positions established for organizational, informational, documentary, financial, economic, economic and other support of the activities of state bodies and replaced without limitation of term of office.
      3. Civil service posts are divided into the following groups:
      1) top civil service posts;
      2) the main posts of the civil service;
      3) leading civil service positions;
      4) senior civil service posts;
      5) junior civil service posts.
      4. Positions of the categories "managers" and "assistants (advisers)" are divided into the highest, main and leading groups of positions in the civil service.
      5. Positions of the "specialists" category are subdivided into the highest, main, leading and senior groups of civil service positions.
      6. Positions in the category of "support specialists" are divided into main, leading, senior and junior groups of civil service positions.
  • Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 23 October 2015 06: 42 New
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    Одним из оснований повышения пенсионного возраста называют экономический аспект - возможность получения государством подоходного налога с большего числа работающих граждан за больший период времени, т.е. рост одной из основных доходных статей бюджета страны, а также налога с работодателей. Но как мне кажется повышение пенсионного возраста не даст нужного эффекта. Мне видится, что государству будет гораздо лучше и на порядок эффективнее навести порядок на рынке труда, исключив возможности для т.н. "серого" найма, когда молодые работники трудятся на работодателя без заключения с ним трудовых отношений и соответственно выплат в бюджет как с самих работников, так и работодателей. Кроме того, в России огромное число нелегальных трудовых мигрантов, т.н. гастарбайтеров, причем не только из Средней Азии, но и той же Украины, чей бюджет кстати в значительной мере пополняют денежные переводы украинцев, работающих в России и занимающих рабочие места, которые при грамотной трудовой политике государства могли бы занимать свои же российские граждане. Да и вполне себе легальные трудовые мигранты свои заработанные деньги пересылают на родину, а не тратят в России, следовательно эти средства, а они поверьте немалые, тоже утеряны для бюджета России. Но этой очень сложный и затратный процесс (особенно в плане подготовки новых трудовых кадров в системе профессионального образования) и имею опасения, что российское правительство на такой шаг никогда не пойдет.
    I have the honor.
    1. SSR
      SSR 23 October 2015 08: 21 New
      10
      Well said! Only annoyance, *** don Ulyukaev is not interested! I’m even afraid to assume what keeps these whines away from all their desires?
      He said two years ago - it is necessary to cut social programs and healthcare.
      What is it for them? They have their own social network and their own health care ..... This is so short. Honestly, Ulyukaev personally makes me want, to take a bat ..... And how to eat a jaw ... To beat a hand is dirty.
    2. brn521
      brn521 23 October 2015 11: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      clean up the labor market

      Забудьте про такое слово, "порядок" :). Привожу ситуацию в качестве примера. Организация оплачивает ежеквартальный налог 4 октября. С небольшим опозданием, но это обычно несмертельно... было до реорганизации местной налоговой. Да и не получается по-другому, сейчас экономика реально в заднице, реализация падает, зато растут взаимные неплатежи. В общем, когда собрали, тогда и оплатили. Через 2 недели счет этой организации блокируется и на него падает обременение по этому же налогу. Снимается еще столько же. Налоговая за две недели не успела разнести полученные деньги, поэтому они не зачлись - сработала система изъятия недополученных налогов в принудительном порядке. Плюс счет будет закрыт до тех пор, пока налоговая 1. подготовит документы на разблокировку счета 2. эти документы доберутся до банка по почте (только по почте и никак иначе). Итого месяц, в течение которого организация формально работать не может. По закону вся выручка должна сдаваться на счет, а все платежи сниматься со счета. А он заблокирован. Все, если эта организация работает по-белому, как положена, очевидно, что этот инцидент, ставший у нас нормой в последние три года, практически моментально вгонит ее в гроб. Закроется производство (пусть и небольшое), закроются магазины, невыполненные обстоятельства по платежам, работники, оказавшиеся на улице с невыплаченными долгами по зарплате...
      ... it would be if all flows and all operations in private enterprise occurred according to the rules and under the vigilant control of state structures :).
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      исключив возможности для т.н. "серого" найма, когда молодые работники трудятся на работодателя без заключения с ним трудовых отношений

      Fine. I give a conditional example. Moscow region. So the minimum wage, which in any case have to show - 12 thousand. The remaining 14 are black. Good salary for our city, by the way. We translate 14 thousand into white. At the expense of whom? At the expense of the employee, naturally. Approximate alignment 1. -13% income = -1820 rubles. 2. -30% pension and medical insurance, since we reduce the basic salary, it turns out 70% / 3 = 23,3% - 3266 rubles. Congratulations, getting out of the shadows has transformed our half-white salary from 24,5 thousand to 19,3 thousand. And that is not all. A worker who lived more or less normally will now be forced to cut his expenses. Will buy even cheaper food and clothes. Will cease to use the car, and most likely will be deregistered and sold. As a result, what the light industry and the service sector could cut off from him will go to the state. We will derive not only this, but all salaries in white. As a result, an employee can easily lose his unfortunate 19 thousand. His company is already adjusting to the economy, cheapening everything that can be cheapened. Instead of meat - soy, starch, palm oil and flavorings with flavor enhancers. And here they set the task - to reduce the cost of production even more, so that rogues with a small salary could afford it. But everything, nowhere else. And our character will generally be on the street. He will go to the employment center, and there he will not even be able to pay benefits, because money for the allowance was collected using the very taxes that now there is no one to collect.
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      2. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 23 October 2015 13: 42 New
        +4
        You exaggerate a little, but in the pension legislation there are really a lot of inconsistencies and injustices. Suppose, if the government decided to increase the retirement age, then it should either reduce the amount of contributions to pension funds, or significantly increase the pension. Simple calculations show that when you retire in 63, your work experience will be 40, with an average age of retirement of 13. Those. a person has been working for three years to be retired for a year. In this case, the amount of contributions to the pension fund should be reduced from 28% to 20%, while the average pension should be European 60% of the average salary, i.e. 20 thousand rubles instead of the current 12,5 thousand rubles If this does not happen, then a logical question arises: where is our money.
        1. brn521
          brn521 23 October 2015 14: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai K
          You exaggerate a little

          Nevertheless, I judge based on real experience.
          Quote: Nikolai K
          In this case, the amount of contributions to the pension fund should be reduced from 28% to 20%

          Так у них проблема в чем? Собранных денег не хватает для выплаты сколько-нибудь достойных пенсий. Можно идти двумя путями. Повышать налоги или уменьшить количество пенсионеров. Если понижение количества компенсировать снижением налогов, это шило на мыло получится. Есть и еще способ - развить экономику и производство до такой степени, чтобы появилась возможность содержать все прибывающее количество пенсионеров. Но это сказка из серии "прилетит вдруг волшебник в голубом вертолете и бесплатно...", в которую кстати очень многие верят.
    3. brn521
      brn521 23 October 2015 11: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      Yes, and quite legal labor migrants send their earned money to their homeland

      At the same time, leaving us 30% of income tax instead of 13%. Plus, they really earned this money because they came to work and earn money. They didn’t cut loot for free in our Duma, and they didn’t shift pieces of paper in warm places in administrations. And further. We have a very serious problem is drunkenness and theft. At the same time, keeping migrant workers by the throat in this regard is much easier than our local ones.
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      Ukrainians working in Russia and occupying jobs that, with competent state labor policy, could be occupied by their own Russian citizens

      Это как раз хорошие украинцы, раз продержались так долго. Есть еще "плохие" украинцы, оказавшиеся в качестве гастарбайтеров случайно. Среди них столько же пофигистов, сколько и среди русских. Бухают по крайней мере так же часто.
  • Glot
    Glot 23 October 2015 06: 43 New
    +2
    I would like to still believe that in the Russian state there will still be responsible men from among those very representatives of state authorities who will find more adequate forms and formulas for saving budget funds and filling the state treasury.


    Hope dies last. laughing
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 23 October 2015 06: 57 New
    +9
    This all went. At first they scared the people by raising the retirement age for everyone, and when the people got into it, they said: if you don’t want, don’t, but we are so hardworking, we’ll raise ourselves. Well, why not raise it? Not worked out, go, sitting in easy chairs and riding beautiful cars (at the expense of the people, by the way).
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 23 October 2015 13: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: EvgNik
      This all went.

      Да только теперь стала понятна эта затея..этакая многоходовочка попугали народ и "наказали" чиновников, мне уже мой друг жалился - " не могли в прошлом году это сделать.." так бы еще 5 лет балду пинал и возможно из кабинета ногами вперед вышел..
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 23 October 2015 06: 57 New
    +8
    Nothing to him (Ulyukaev) hiccups ... The man is clearly not Orthodox, brought up on other foundations .. And there is no concept of the soul, only one cold calculation and the end justifies the means.
  • Lenin
    Lenin 23 October 2015 06: 58 New
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    I think everything is much simpler. Raising the retirement age is an opportunity not to pay a pension or to pay a smaller part of the population. Indeed, not everyone survives to such an age and with such a fun life. hi
    1. Niki
      Niki 23 October 2015 09: 42 New
      +4
      Especially when Kudrin, who is now chairman of one of the largest non-state pension funds, announces this arch-unnecessary increase in retirement age
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 23 October 2015 07: 05 New
    +9
    It turns out that all the Duma factions criticized the Ulyukaev idea.

    Less than a year later, the 2016 State Duma elections will be held and right now the deputies suddenly remember their voters, because you need to save your seats and a place near the feeding trough. I don’t think that something will change dramatically before the election, but after the election, hang on guys, this is where the law-making flight will go.
    1. SSR
      SSR 23 October 2015 08: 25 New
      +7
      Quote: Anatole Klim
      It turns out that all the Duma factions criticized the Ulyukaev idea.

      Less than a year later, the 2016 State Duma elections will be held and right now the deputies suddenly remember their voters, because you need to save your seats and a place near the feeding trough. I don’t think that something will change dramatically before the election, but after the election, hang on guys, this is where the law-making flight will go.

      That’s why it’s necessary to go to the polls and vote, and it’s better to vote for at least the same communists, LDPR or spros ... At least there should be some kind of counterbalance in the Duma,
    2. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 23 October 2015 10: 10 New
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      Less than a year later, the 2016 State Duma elections will be held and right now the deputies suddenly remember their voters, because you need to save your seats and a place near the feeding trough. I don’t think that something will change dramatically before the election, but after the election, hang on guys, this is where the law-making flight will go.
      And behind them are the 2018 elections. wink yes
      1. Hon
        Hon 23 October 2015 11: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Gomunkul
        And behind them are the 2018 elections.

        By 2018, they’ll come up with something. Monetization of benefits is also not very popular. especially since we have wizards conjuring results
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 23 October 2015 11: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Gomunkul
        And behind them are the 2018 elections.

        Те выборы будут выборами президента Путина, это совсем другие выборы, озвучат новые "майские указы" по повышению благосостояния трудящихся, борьбе с коррупцией, развитию образования и здравоохранения, повысят пенсии и зарплаты, будут достигнуты новые успехи во внешней политике и рейтинг будет как сегодня 90%. Конкурентов не видно, всё будет хорошо. fellow
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  • fa2998
    fa2998 23 October 2015 07: 13 New
    +5
    A purely populist move, a shot into the void! You will ask how old our governors and deputies of the State Duma are, many are well over 60, and no one is planning to retire! MONEY keeps them at work. The treasury would have received more if, in connection with the crisis, they sharply reduced and froze their salaries (enough for them). negative hi
    1. anip
      anip 23 October 2015 10: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: fa2998
      A purely populist move, a shot into the void! You will ask how old our governors and deputies of the State Duma are, many are well over 60, and no one is planning to retire! Recently re-elected, they will sit in chairs until they die.

      That's right. And then they will also say, here, they say, we are working and nothing, everyone needs to be raised to 63-65 years.
    2. Lenin
      Lenin 23 October 2015 10: 43 New
      +2
      Right. Why do they need a beggarly pension and who will need them as pensioners? And in demand with bribes. hi
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 23 October 2015 07: 15 New
    +4
    I generally witnessed the birth of this increase.

    somehow it turned on the TV and there’s a meeting in the Duma on the air and someone from the deputies asked Medvedev to raise the age, they say the payment is good, the work is not dusty and you can work longer, Medvedev neighing and said that there’ll be no problem.
  • Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 23 October 2015 07: 26 New
    +4
    If I understand correctly - they will raise the device, (and here IMHO) they themselves do not mind, still sit in bread positions ...
  • Kahlan amnell
    Kahlan amnell 23 October 2015 07: 34 New
    +7
    Высокие государственные чиновники - это "элитная" каста. И, как сказано у классика, страшно далеки они от народа (В. И. Ленин "Памяти Герцена").
    Like any caste, government officials strive for isolation - the current officials will be replaced by their offspring, those by their own. Democratic elections are just tinsel and a screen. True popular thinking seldom comes to power, and unique units come to the highest posts. More such as the former governor of Sakhalin, the former head of the Komi Republic and the like.
    When a cell in the body does not work for the body, but only for itself, it degenerates into a cancerous one. And killing the body - dies itself.
    Nature is wise - any closed system is doomed to degeneration and death. The only pity is that the state often perishes. Unless healthy forces overcome parasitic structures.
  • starshina pv
    starshina pv 23 October 2015 07: 40 New
    +3
    if the retirement period is increased, the Russian man will die right next to the machine !!!!
  • Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 23 October 2015 07: 51 New
    +7
    Смотрю тут к госслужащим плохое отношение складывается! Я вам поясню, госслужащие это не только Генералы, Губернаторы, Министры и прочие чиновники. Это прежде всего аппараты, обычных тружеников из народа, в большей степени альтруистов, которые работая за низкую зарплату, пытаются трудится на свою страну, пытаются объяснить этим самым дубовым руководителям, которые купили себе место или их туда поставили по блату, как правильно работать и что вообще от них (руководителей) требуются. Получается некомпетентный начальник рулит компетентным специалистом, выхватывающий за свою работу только удары под дых: то заплату три года повышать не будут, то завалят кучей никому не нужных бумаг,то работать заставят за так до ночи на выходных, то сделают "крайним", then the retirement age will increase. And families need to be fed, like everyone else! But often on such hard workers the country also keeps in all spheres of the country's life.

    Не спорю есть "жирные" места и среди обычных госслужащих, но эти места тоже по блату или за бабло и как правило их плодят эти самые "первоклассные руководители" для своих друзей и родственников.
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 23 October 2015 16: 07 New
      -3
      Wise Kaa, you are really wise.
      I myself am in the civil service. working day until 12 hours, Saturdays are usually working.
      Himself not enthusiastic about raising the retirement age. But look, in Russia the retirement age is the lowest in the world, the average life expectancy, thank God, is growing. The question is different. If we raise the retirement age, we must simultaneously create new jobs. Otherwise, an increase in unemployment is inevitable.
      As for the article, the logic of the author is astonishing.
      Quote: " возникает вопрос: откуда возьмётся экономия вообще, если госчиновникам, которые в силу достижения пенсионного возраста должны были отправляться на покой и получать пенсию «по старости», теперь из бюджета нужно будет продолжать платить чиновничье жалование, которое, надо полагать, существенно выше официальной пенсии."
      So if you send him to retirement, you will have to pay both his pension and wages to the one who comes to replace him. Is it really not clear to the author?
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  • 3vs
    3vs 23 October 2015 07: 59 New
    +2
    "Это наш парламент, то есть Государственная дума, Совет Федерации, члены правительства, то есть лица, которые именно замещают государственные должности - не по госслужбе, а немножко по другому направлению. Речь идёт об увеличении возраста выхода на пенсию для этих категорий граждан до 65 лет."
    Вроде как наши "слуги народа" грудью бросаются на амбразуру - мы первые себе поднимем
    retirement age!
    And if you look from the other side - to sit in the Duma, not to work in the field, you can up to seventy, moreover, with a good salary and a full state. providing ...
    Secondly - you’ll get them fucked retired until 65, it turns out that they will not give way to the young!
    About how they take care of themselves!
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 23 October 2015 08: 05 New
    +6
    We believe that this decision is extremely erroneous, very untimely and will lead to absolutely opposite results from those expected by the Russian government. Today, the solvency of citizens is falling, production volumes are decreasing, and the minister, making such statements, shows his incompetence.

    Excuse me, Dear colleagues, a philosophical thought about Ulyukaev.
    I’m curious about the situation with the ministries. For example, we do not have a Ministry of Civil Aviation, this is understandable, there is no aviation and there is no ministry. But we have a whole Ministry of Economic Development, with a huge staff headed by Ulyukaev, but there is no economic development. This is not clear.

    Such a thought, colleagues. request hi
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 23 October 2015 10: 18 New
      +3
      Dear colleagues, allow philosophical thought
      Can I continue it? In the entire modern history of Russia, not a single government in our country has ever resigned. They sit as monuments, but they inspire us with the idea that we don’t have anyone better than them. With this approach, it turns out:
      there is a whole Ministry of Economic Development, with a huge staff headed by Ulyukaev, but there is no economic development.
      hi
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  • Begemot
    Begemot 23 October 2015 08: 08 New
    0
    Therefore, I recommend reading the article by Vladimir Pavlenko http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1989701.html. Much will fall into place and it will be clear who is who is at our top and why the West will always be afraid and hate Russia. At least it helped me put a variety of thoughts and feelings into a puzzle, especially a comparison with Kushchevka of global liberal ideology.
  • Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 23 October 2015 08: 10 New
    +2
    To give these figures a minimum salary of the type of 6 thousand to deprive of benefits, stolen in prison, and let them work. People will live well and so will they. Abolish super pensions for deputies, and all on a common basis, including officials. And the main thing is to impose responsibility. Ie instructed, did not why and where the money matters. He stole, confiscation, checking all the relatives on the topic of how the ferrari and the yacht for eleven yards got from an unemployed son or wife. In our country, no one is responsible for anything. Especially officials. Deputies in the Duma this song is separate. They can think of anything but just not what the country needs. I do not argue there are sensible people there, but they are few and they are not allowed to do anything. However, we ourselves choose them. ON YOUR HEAD.
  • Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 23 October 2015 08: 27 New
    +8
    Colleagues do not waste your nerves. The next opening of the "overtone window", well, and provocation. Where without it?
    The so-called elite in every possible way excites a non-calm population, like ... you never know what Putin tells you, but we decide ... Yes, apparently the president cannot remove these “enemies of the people” right now for one reason or another. Enemies in every possible way signal the West: ... we are ready to serve you white gentlemen, only V.V.P. help to remove, but we will rest the dissatisfied ... Regarding Medvedev: find his interview about Syria, he is the same enemy and there is no need to be mistaken!
    Ping ... he’s deeply violet who will dump Putin “patriots” or liberals because they all are pinned ... ki. And then there will be an epitaph: “Sleep calmly, dear comrade, the facts have not been confirmed”
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 17: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Fotoceva62
      Yes, apparently the president cannot remove these "enemies of the people" now for one reason or another
      Aha - can appoint 15 years, but cannot remove wassat

      Miracles are wonderful ...

      Вот бы еще узнать - что "Вам" позволяет "думать", что именно не может, а не не хочет в следствии того, что все происходящее отвечает интересам и целям той группы и класса, к которым принадлежит сам Путин? smile
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 23 October 2015 08: 32 New
    -7
    I don’t understand what groans are heard. Healthy peasants gathered, but you won’t find work in 50 years, and indeed we can’t work, we’re tired. But with envy we look at Western pensioners who can afford to travel around the world on retirement. So you already decide what you want: to lie on the old couch and get a beggarly pension, or go to 65 years in the West and live with dignity. The other is not destined.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 23 October 2015 09: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Nikolai K
      or scam up to 65 years

      Have you lived to be 65?
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 23 October 2015 13: 23 New
        -2
        I have not survived and it’s not a fact that I will survive how fate will turn out. Well, what's the problem? So my money will go to pay pensions to women, because now, by the time they retire, there are about 2,5 times more women than men and they don’t live a pension twice as much. But I prefer to earn old age now, and not count the days until retirement, then to live on beggarly benefits.
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    2. fif21
      fif21 23 October 2015 10: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Nikolai K
      So you already decide what you want: to lie on the old couch and get a beggarly pension, or get up to 65 years in the West and live with dignity. The other is not destined.
      А может нужно навести порядок в расходовании бюджетных средств и собирании налогов? Сколько бюджетных денег разворовывается? До каких пор подоходный налог будет 13% для бедных и богатых? Почему в ЕС "богатые тоже плачут" я про налоги. Наведут порядок в этих вопросах и тогда поймут ,что деньги Пенсионного фонда, это по большому счету "копейки" Впрочем как и "нищенские" пенсии.
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 23 October 2015 11: 15 New
        -5
        I repeat once again, the pension fund is an EXTRA-budgetary fund, pensions are paid to you from YOUR salary. And the logic here is quite obvious, the less you work and the more time you retire, the less this pension will be. Who does not want to work - sit at home on the couch, we do not have an article for parasitism, but then suck on his paw. And if you want to live with dignity, then you need to work hard and efficiently; there is no other way. We have eaten the Soviet legacy for a long time, but today, by the way, belonging to our descendants, you can’t heal on oil and other natural resources. Yes, the current pension system is ineffective, take at least the fact that many receive officially on 7-10 thousand rubles. (the rest is in envelopes), but they want to be paid a decent pension. And with what means sorry? So raising the retirement age is a natural inevitability, and stop whining about this.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 17: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai K
          I repeat once again, the pension fund is an EXTRA-budgetary fund, pensions are paid to you from YOUR salary.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 23 October 2015 17: 44 New
            +1
            The fact that we have a pension fund, like most other government agencies, is ineffective, no doubt. For example, he is engaged in such unusual functions as administering fees for the fund itself and the health insurance fund, although we have a special state body, the federal tax service (formerly the Ministry of Taxes and DUTIES). And the system of extrabudgetary pension funds in our country is all through one scammers, because there is no proper control over them, and we have not yet realized what kind of mine was laid there. Nevertheless, if you even divide such a colossal amount of 14 billion rubles for the acquisition of real estate for the Pension Fund for 2 years by the number of pensioners in the country (25 million people), you will receive an increase in pension 23 rubles per month per pensioner, which , of course, does not do weather. Fundamental changes are needed.
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 18: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: Nikolai K
              The fact that our pension fund, like most other government agencies, works inefficiently, no doubt
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  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 23 October 2015 09: 06 New
    +3
    There is no smoke without fire. It was exactly the same in Ukraine, at first they said hints, and then Tigipko came and carried out pension reform, the essence of which was to increase the retirement age.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 October 2015 09: 37 New
    +5
    The next step on the part of the government will be an alternative for working retirees, work or pension. Today, the cost of labor is lower than in China. The rise in production has not yet been seen, but poverty is already on the threshold, especially for pensioners.
  • the most important
    the most important 23 October 2015 09: 59 New
    +6
    К решению любой проблемы нельзя подходить однобоко. Мало денег - повысим пенсионный возраст! А может как-то по другому попробовать? Может пока нам рано ЧМ-18 проводить? Может воровать надо "элите" перестать миллиардами? Может "эффективным менеджерам" в госкорпорациях уменьшить свои аппетиты и не назначать себе зряплату по миллионам в день? Если такие умные и незаменимые пусть докажут это в бизнесе, а не распилом народных денег. Мне кажется, что возраст выхода на пенсию вообще должен быть плавающим: чиновники-65, со стажем работы в 40 лет - независимо от возраста, пенсионный возраст если и поднимать, то до 62 лет и при этом необходимо значительно повысить пенсии населению и урезать привелегированные пенсии чинуш. При таком подходе будет выгодно работать с оформлением стажа и соответственно платить налоги. За счет этого и будет на что повысить пенсии.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 23 October 2015 11: 44 New
      -1
      It is quite reasonable to make a floating retirement age, but according to other criteria: the earlier you retire, the less you get paid. If you want - retire in 55 years and get a minimum pension of 5 thousand rubles. If you go to 60 - the pension will be 25% of the average salary, in 65 years - 40%, etc. This is quite logical: the more you work and the less you retire, the higher your pension, let everyone decide for himself.
      1. provincial
        provincial 23 October 2015 12: 42 New
        +2
        it’s a pity, but not everyone survives this happiness.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 23 October 2015 10: 53 New
    +4
    It turns out that a handful of bureaucrats would remain at the feeding trough would make the whole country beat to death. It is to death, because the average life expectancy of men in the Russian Federation is 58,5 years.

    And with migrants before me everything was painted. We withdraw money to unfriendly states. At the same time, artificially (!) In a crisis (!) We create jobs for them.

    For example, why pave the capital with tiles, removing asphalt, why at the same time (!) Repair so many underground passages and metro entrances? After all, the same underground passages on papers are faced with completely non-budget materials.

    At the same time, its production is closed. How many factories, factories, research institutes, etc. were in the capital? And now?
  • theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 23 October 2015 11: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: Hon
    Recently awarded the Order


    This humor is so peculiar. But in fact, the most absurd laws from the presidency of this character were canceled - 0,0 ppm, daylight saving time - this is what is heard, perhaps there are others.
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 October 2015 11: 49 New
      +3
      Цитата: феодор рашпиль
      This humor is so peculiar. But in fact, the most absurd laws from the presidency of this character were canceled - 0,0 ppm, daylight saving time - this is what is heard, perhaps there are others.

      Well, probably for this order and handed? if humor, then not mine, but Putin, he handed.
    2. the most important
      the most important 23 October 2015 16: 03 New
      +1
      Summer time is what Medvedev really did. And nothing more! After the cancellation of summer time, in the summer, the dawn begins at 2-30, and the night at 23-00 ... this is complete insanity!
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 24 October 2015 05: 39 New
        0
        In our south, the summer night now begins at 21 p.m., this is insanity, and this is an hour later than it was in the 00s, when time had not yet been pulled back and forth.
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  • _KM_
    _KM_ 23 October 2015 11: 11 New
    +3
    Цитата: феодор рашпиль
    This humor is so peculiar. But in fact, the most absurd laws from the presidency of this character were canceled - 0,0 ppm, daylight saving time - this is what is heard, perhaps there are others.


    Rather, black PR and an effective policy tool. Suppose the retirement age of XX years. M. spoke and proposed to increase it by 20 years. The society was indignant, P. intervened and canceled M.'s initiative, saying that not so much was needed. As a result, the retirement age increased by only 10 years. Profit wink
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 23 October 2015 11: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: _KM_
    Rather, black PR and an effective policy tool.


    Абсолютно согласен. В настоящий момент, на мой взгляд, развивается "2-е отделение концерта по заявкам". В первом отделении неопровержимо доказано, что либерал-западник не способен быть главой государства, во втором будет доказано, что главой правительства тоже. Вот тогда, и только тогда, появится возможность проводить реальные реформы, а не имитацию с оглядкой на Запад.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 October 2015 11: 27 New
    +5
    First robbed the Soviet legacy

    now finish off the surviving Soviet
    1. GraveBezKresta
      GraveBezKresta 23 October 2015 11: 43 New
      +2
      Офигенный ролик, прямо в яблочко! Как говорил Штирлиц Мюллеру: "Вот с этого и надо было начинать!"
      1. fif21
        fif21 23 October 2015 12: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Grave without Cross
        Awesome movie, right in the bullseye!
        Кто такие "инвеститоры" ?
  • Nehist
    Nehist 23 October 2015 12: 13 New
    0
    Well, we’re getting ready to die before retirement! Sooner or later, this law will be adopted. And then either senseless and bloody rebellion is provided. I don’t know what the GDP thinks there, but I don’t believe his promises. So, we won’t raise it here ... Yeah, they’ll probably ask us ... And here it’s not necessary for me to say that our guarantor is not tasteful of this movement! I generally side with the whole world and foreign policy, for the entire foreign policy is a failure without an adequate domestic. Well, now I went for a loaf of bread for 50 rubles! I have the honor.
  • provincial
    provincial 23 October 2015 12: 25 New
    0
    “The level of the age for reaching a well-deserved rest for government officials has been raised - none of them are crying. So it can be extended to other categories of the population ”... All this will happen after the election or when Medvedev becomes a guarantor, he once ruled the country.
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 23 October 2015 12: 26 New
    +3
    Что это за вопли на уря-патриотическом сайте.Тут один даже кричал,что его доплаты к пенсии лишили,а он в первых рядах тельняшку рвать будет.Вы чего,кипежь то подняли? Уря кричать надо.Верною дорогой идём,господа-товарищи-барины.В Кремле чай не глупые сидят,как тут один господин написал.Чего это вы завопили? Надо раздирая тельняшку кричать,что все как один до смерти работать будем,да ещё желательно ,как тут один "товарищ" писал,"зряплату" не получать.Набрали,понимаешь машин,"мерседесов",все дворы забили,да ещё в отроческом возрасте на пенсион хотите?Ага,щас.Правители днём и ночью не спят,о вас думу думают,как вам ещё "феррари" во двор поставить,а вы глотки рвёте.Непорядок.Царь вот проснётся,после накрытой поляны в честь ордена ,данного ДАМу за заслуги перед ним и скажет:"-Вы почто народец забижаете,ух я вам".И примет решение.Ну а какое,это уж вам смиренно ждать надо,а не рвать глотки за чего то там даёшь.Может ещё накопительную потребуете,безобразники? Её уже внесли на построение светлого будущего у них.Поскромнее,поскромнее быть надо.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 24 October 2015 01: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf

      Here you shouted!))))))))))))) laughing
      To paraphrase, you said Peace to the huts (apartments), the war to the putmeds (palaces)!
      briefly and clearly....
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 23 October 2015 12: 49 New
    0
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    I generally witnessed the birth of this increase.

    somehow it turned on the TV and there’s a meeting in the Duma on the air and someone from the deputies asked Medvedev to raise the age, they say the payment is good, the work is not dusty and you can work longer, Medvedev neighing and said that there’ll be no problem.

    That’s what the speech is about, that there are long-livers in the Duma. Not only that, wages and pensions are awesome.
    ПУСТЬ любым способом увеличат продолжительность жизни мужчин!!!И так 59! Среднее!Если долгожители есть,то значит и "недожителей" намного больше.Увеличив среднюю жизнь мужчин лет на 25,имеет смысл о чем-то размышлять.Можно сказать,что я уже взрослый.Вот отца видел,когда маленький был.Деда лучше помню.А мои дяди,двоюродные деды-- также рано ушли.Вредных привычек не было ни у кого.2 моих дедушк попивали но дольше всех пожили.Ещё не все комменты прочитал.
  • provincial
    provincial 23 October 2015 12: 51 New
    +1
    интересная и хитрая тема,но для нас ничтожная. Как решит" папа" так и будет.Кричите не кричите,придет время все будет в ажуре для них,а нам ящики надо к этому возрасту закупать - лишние мы на этой земле российской.Как говорил Гайдар- балласт.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 23 October 2015 13: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir 1964

    Excuse me, Dear colleagues, a philosophical thought about Ulyukaev.
    I’m curious about the situation with the ministries. For example, we do not have a Ministry of Civil Aviation, this is understandable, there is no aviation and there is no ministry. But we have a whole Ministry of Economic Development, with a huge staff headed by Ulyukaev, but there is no economic development. This is not clear.
    Г
    Such a thought, colleagues. request hi
    Наверно следует переименовать:"министерство экономического разрушения"Тогда все станет на свои места,ну и зарплаты соответственно,со знаком (--)
  • solidus
    solidus 23 October 2015 13: 44 New
    +4
    saving for retirees is the last thing.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 23 October 2015 14: 02 New
    +7
    Quote: Nikolai K
    pensions are paid to you from YOUR same salary. And the logic here is quite obvious, the less you work and the more time you retire, the less this pension will be.

    And the fact that the average man dies in Russia in 59,1 doesn’t bother you? Of course, this includes all sorts of deaths, but in reality the man barely survives 60 years. With an increase in the retirement age, we lose our grandfathers-pensioners. Poor Japanese financiers there, men live up to almost 80, and women up to 85 (averaged 82 g.) - and adequately contain! We have a life expectancy of 129 after Bolivia and Guyana. That's where we got ahead of the backward countries, Russia has the income of the poorest and rich-1: 45 (Honduras 1:42). hi
  • Independent
    Independent 23 October 2015 14: 33 New
    +1
    I don’t understand something about saving. There is money to raise salaries in the State Duma. And they will save on pensions. Senior citizens will work. And the young people who have received education will again look for work beyond the hill. Damn yourself - saving.
  • Ant1773
    Ant1773 23 October 2015 14: 52 New
    +5
    Now they have raised it for civil servants, and next year they will pull up the rest.
    Everything is clear. It is said, negotiated by various experts that there is no money for retirement and there is no one to work. Raise, Th there, one FIG especially nobody will ask.
    Well, do not fight with the thieves of state property in fact? It’s easier to squeeze out the people.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 October 2015 15: 20 New
    +4
    He will cancel pensions, will send to fight.
    To give something to Syria in Gazprom.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 23 October 2015 15: 28 New
    0
    and we, as students in the 70s, drilled something about retirement. We thought that we would pay retirement from the moment of completion of educational program and up to 45 years, and then plow without retirement. And retirement was then 120 rubles. It’s a shame to remember now.
  • Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 23 October 2015 16: 23 New
    +6
    “Nikolai K ... retire at age 55 and get a minimum pension of 5 thousand rubles. ...
    Dear, how old are you? I have been working for 52 years for 36 years, 30 of them in the floating club, and what should I pay a minimum salary when I retire at 55? Incidentally, the conditions are harmful and some do not survive. And they come out with metallurgists and other interesting specialties at 50. People ruin their health, often for a very unbecoming payment, and you offer them to landfill.
    Work, especially in hazardous industries, is not in the office (with all due respect) to wipe your pants, the difference is noticeable especially by the age of 50.
    I read some comments and remember ... when we were young and they carried beautiful nonsense ... (song, I have them). Can restore order in the country? Can we get rid of parasites? And it’s not pensioners, but who? Guess three times?
  • T62
    T62 23 October 2015 16: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Bayonet
    Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.

    under the current government this is impossible


    Under the past authorities it was impossible, under the current it is also not possible. Why do you think that with another power it will be possible?
    Русский народ как жил в нищете, живёт и, к сожалению, будет жить. А фото московских дворов - это не показатель хорошей жизни, а показатель плохой работы налоговых и других служб. Не видел "мёртвых деревень только тот, кто не выезжал дальше третьего кольца.
  • partizan86
    partizan86 23 October 2015 16: 55 New
    +2
    Increase after the election, then another.
    This is like an increase in alcohol and cigarettes, gradually, so that they do not rebel, but get used to it. With a major overhaul, the same infection was introduced.
    As a result, over time, there will remain a population of 50 million, maybe less.
  • hitech
    hitech 23 October 2015 17: 38 New
    +6
    Простите за мат заранее. Читаю бл***, я тут вас и ОХ****. ВЫ ЧТО СОВСЕМ МОЗГОВ ЛИШИЛИСЬ, УРА-ДОЛБО***. ВЫ СЕБЯ В СТАРОСТИ ПРЕДСТАВЬТЕ. 60(!) лет какая на *** работа??? ДА ВЫ БЛ*** ЧЕЛЮСТЬ ВСТАВНУЮ К ЭТОМУ ВОЗРАСТУ БУДЕТЕ ИМЕТЬ. ЧТО ВЫ ТУТ ПОЕТЕ ПРО ЗАЕБА*УЮ ЗАРПЛАТУ?? У КОГО ОНА ЗАЕБА*АЯ? У ДЕПУТАТА ИЛИ У ТОКАРЯ? ИЛИ МОЖЕТ БЫТЬ У ВРАЧЕЙ? ИЛИ У УЧИТЕЛЕЙ? ЧТО ВЫ ТУТ ПРИКРЫВАЕТЕСЬ МОЛ В КРЕМЛЕ ВИДНЕЙ, ДА НИХУ* НЕ ВИДНЕЕ ИМ ТАМ ЗА СТОПКОЙ "ПУТИНКИ" И ЧЕРНОЙ ИКРОЙ. ИДИТЕ БЛ*** НА УЛИЦУ И У ПРОСТЫХ МУЖИКОВ ПОСПРАШИВАЙТЕ КАК ИМ ЖИВЕТСЯ. КОРОЧЕ ПЕС С ВАМИ, УРА-НА-ГОЛОВУ БОЛЬНЫМИ. ВОТ КОГДА САМИ В 60 ЛЕТ НА ПЕНСИЮ НА ПОЙДЕТЕ, БУДЕТЕ НЫТЬ, МОЛ НА ПОКОЙ ПОРА, А ВАМ СКАЖУТ "РАБОТАЙ СТАРЫЙ, ПОКА НЕ ПОМЕР".
  • KBR109
    KBR109 23 October 2015 19: 54 New
    +3
    In this case, let them introduce the right to euthanasia. There are no pensions. The medicine is precarious. What would even die could be quickly and decently. And let the youth listen and shake their heads - not all the same they can only be treated with patriotism ...
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 October 2015 19: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: KBR109
      In this case, let them introduce the right to euthanasia.

      No! We need to survive these ghouls!
  • Governor
    Governor 23 October 2015 20: 44 New
    +3
    But what if I do not care about the country's foreign policy and I consider it a completely useless concern of the government?
    What if the situation in the country is much more important to me? Then it turns out that Putin is a traitor worse than a hunchback. After all, sending planes to bomb terrorists is much easier than creating socialism and a just society!
    No jokes, but a rating of 90%. I don’t know who those voters are, but it’s disgusting for me to live with them in the same country.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 23 October 2015 21: 59 New
      -3
      Quote: Governor
      No jokes, but a rating of 90%. I don’t know who those voters are, but it’s disgusting for me to live with them in the same country.

      Радует то, что ТЫ не входишь в число 90% и таких как ты меньшинство. Твоё стадо Каспаров, Макаревич, Собчак, Быков, Касьянов, Пономарёв, Латынина и прочий сброд, уже рассматривают варианты смены гражданства, потому что им, как и ТЕБЕ в России нихрена уже не светит. Противно жить в этой стране? Валите в любую другую на выбор и накройтесь семицветным флагом, как вариант на дуркаину под жёвтоблакитный прапор. А мы уж тут как нибудь переживём исход "хреновабомонда и лжеинтеллигенции". Скатертью дорога и попутного ветра в задницу - ураганом. hi Without the slightest respect.
  • Lechik2000
    Lechik2000 24 October 2015 00: 55 New
    -3
    Провокатор (- шапкозакидатель енерал вполковник диванный, менты пенсионеры "любят" власть -аха...
    Z.Y. Nyrobsky - your mouth is on the other side ...
  • Lechik2000
    Lechik2000 24 October 2015 01: 23 New
    -2
    Quote: Lechik2000
    Провокатор (- шапкозакидатель енерал вполковник диванный, менты пенсионеры "любят" власть -аха...
    Z.Y. Nyrobsky - your mouth is on the other side ...

    For a coefficient of 0.5 to pension, unlike faces and prosecutors, we love you and we will protect your oil towers ...