Retirement age! Wait! One-two ...

Last week's economic rumors, as they say, stirred the general public. Following the head of the Ministry of Finance, Anton Siluanov, another government official of the so-called economic bloc spoke of the “inevitability” of raising the retirement age in Russia. It was Alexei Ulyukayev, who heads the Ministry of Economic Development. According to Ulyukayev, the retirement age must not only be raised, but also “unified” by its level for women and men. The minister “calculated and decided” that the 63 of the year will be just right for both men and women. One can imagine what forms the great and mighty addressed to Mr. Ulyukayev after his proposal fell from the lips of, for example, 53-year-old Russians (women) and 58-year-old Russians (men), who are preparing to retire soon. Alexey Valentinovich must have been hiccupping loudly at that moment ...


The federal minister’s initiative was commented on by the State Duma deputy representing the Just Russia faction, Valery Hartung. He is quoted by the news agency. TASS:

We believe that this decision is extremely erroneous, very untimely and will lead to absolutely opposite results from those expected by the Russian government. Today, the solvency of citizens is falling, production volumes are decreasing, and the minister, making such statements, shows his incompetence.


Chairwoman of the Duma Labor, Social Policy and Veterans Affairs Committee Olga Batalina, representing the United Russia faction, commenting on the initiative of Ulyukaeva, noted that it was pointless to discuss this topic. The Deputy of the State Duma explained her words by saying that the President and the head of the Russian government repeatedly stated that raising the level of the retirement age in the country is not on the agenda under current conditions.

Representatives of the Duma factions of the LDPR and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation were even more categorical, commenting on the statements of Mr. Ulyukayev. The word, in general, did not regret ...
It turns out that all the Duma factions criticized the Ulyukaev idea. Therefore, we can assume that the issue of raising the retirement age in Russia is somehow meaningless to discuss - the deputies said that they refer to the president and the prime minister, which means that there will not be an increase in the retirement age. But is it really that simple? It turned out that not really ...

Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that the retirement plank in Russia will still rise. The Russians of pre-retirement age immediately clutched their hearts ... However, Dmitry Anatolyevich added that "there is no need to worry," since the process of raising the age of access to well-deserved rest will concern only public servants. All others can sleep well. It is a pity that the phrase “sleep well” in this context sounds somewhat ambiguous ...

Dmitry Medvedev quotes portal "Vesti. Finance":
The draft law on increasing the retirement age for civil servants concerns a well-defined part of the working citizens of our country, and, of course, it should provide for a transitional period so that people can prepare and take this or that decision for themselves with full knowledge of the matter. For the absolute majority of other people, of course, the retirement age is kept within the framework of the current legislation.


It is worth considering this statement carefully. That is, the chairman of the government, he is the chairman of the United Russia party - the person to whom party colleague Olga Batalina referred, additionally referring to the president, by the way, also announces that civil servants need to prepare "for making this or that decision" ... What kind of “one or another decision” that people of this category can take is being discussed, Dmitry Anatolyevich mysteriously kept silent. How even more mysteriously he kept silent about what the phrase “for the absolute majority of other people” means. It turns out that in addition to civil servants, the retirement age in the country will also be raised for a kind of “absolute minority”, whose composition remains a secret with seven seals.

At the same time, the head of government in more detail, but also somewhat florid, touched on the topic of raising the retirement age for government officials.

Medvedev:
This is our parliament, that is, the State Duma, the Council of the Federation, members of the government, that is, persons who precisely replace public office - not in the civil service, but a little in another direction. We are talking about increasing the retirement age for these categories of citizens up to 65 years. There is a general order now.


Retirement age! Wait! One-two ...


Frankly speaking, it seems that this kind of initiative is hardly aimed at any substantial savings for the federal budget. Much more likely is that state officials, “replacing a little bit in another direction,” are themselves government officials (in fact themselves) being given the opportunity to stay longer in their high posts. The argument that not saving for the sake of, is indirectly confirmed by the statement of the Deputy Minister of Labor of the Russian Federation Andrei Pudov, who has already determined the amount of savings in this case. According to the deputy minister, such savings (in the case of raising the retirement age of state officials) will be 622 million rubles. At first glance, the amount may seem substantial, but in reality, Khoroshavin’s 18 pens cannot be bought on it ...

But seriously, the question arises: where does the economy come from at all, if the state officials, who, by virtue of reaching retirement age, had to retire and receive an old-age pension, now the government will have to continue to pay the official salary, which, presumably, significantly higher than the official pension. Or savings, as it were, on those who should have taken their places, but now they will have to wait ...

However, this question can not be called the main one. State officials are, as you know, a special world, most often living according to individual “physical” laws. This is different. - It's about ordinary citizens of Russia. - The fact is that even if such a precedent of raising the retirement age is planned, then nothing prevents the state from extrapolating it to other categories of the population under the slogan: “For state officials, the bar for the age of access to well-deserved rest was raised,” he said. So you can spread to other categories of the population "...

I would like to still believe that in the Russian state there will still be responsible men from among those very representatives of state authorities who will find more adequate forms and formulas for saving budget funds and filling the state treasury.
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  1. Same lech 23 October 2015 06: 32 New
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    Today, the solvency of citizens is falling,


    Yeah .... much further.

    We have become two, three times poorer since last year, and our native government of MEDVEDEV will present one more surprise to its people.

    The economy is the weakest point in RUSSIA .... you can say the Achilles' heel and PUTIN, unfortunately, are not very strong in the economy, but I still hope for his talent to overcome crisis situations with honor ...
    wait and see ... if they’re not even taken to the cemetery earlier.
    1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 07: 42 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Yeah .... much further.

      First, we may not all, but remember the fall of the 90s.
      Secondly, since after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991, they were included in the world economy, which today is experiencing a systemic crisis, we will have to drink from this chalice, which is happening today.
      But, given that in the West as a whole, and in the USA in particular, household incomes are lower than expenses by 20-30%, the economy in the West will fall sharply. What we are observing today. Namely, "Massive borrowing hides years of negative GDP growth in the EU and the US." And in fact, things in Russia, living within our means, and not on debt, are much better than the “progressive” West, which has built its prosperity on the robbery of other countries and safely eaten up a couple of future generations. We do not have this. And Russia has a chance to pass this crisis in passing.



      Quote: The same Lech
      PUTIN, unfortunately, is not very strong in the economy, but I still hope for his talent to come out of crisis situations with honor ...

      Not a matter of hope. Do you like the mot of the word or not, and “Today under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
      And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

      Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy.
      1. atalef 23 October 2015 08: 20 New
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        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy.

        And how will this affect the change in retirement age?
        1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 08: 24 New
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          Quote: atalef
          And how will this affect the change in retirement age?

          This is me about the crisis, if you do not understand.
          1. V.ic 23 October 2015 09: 01 New
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            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            It's me about the crisisif you do not understand.

            .in the minds of Anton Siluanov and Alexei Ulyukaev?
            1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 09: 13 New
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              Quote: V.ic
              ..in the heads of Anton Siluanov and Alexei Ulyukaev?

              What planet have you flown from if you don’t know about the WORLD CRISIS?
              I repeat once again for the dull.
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Secondly, since after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991, they were included in the world economy, which today is experiencing a systemic crisis, we will have to drink from this chalice, which is happening today.
              But, given that in the West as a whole, and in the USA in particular, household incomes are lower than expenses by 20-30%, the economy in the West will fall sharply. What we are observing today. Namely, "Massive borrowing hides years of negative GDP growth in the EU and the US." And in fact, things in Russia, living within our means, and not on debt, are much better than the “progressive” West, which has built its prosperity on the robbery of other countries and safely eaten up a couple of future generations. We do not have this. And Russia has a chance to pass this crisis in passing.

              1. anip 23 October 2015 09: 58 New
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                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                What planet have you flown from if you don’t know about the WORLD CRISIS?

                What nonsense ... Compare the average salaries and prices in the USA, Europe and the Russian Federation.
                And yes, how is it that the global crisis, and the ruble collapsed more than the milestones of currencies? And yes, if the crisis is global, it means that it exists in the USA, then why did the ruble collapse, because the dollar should have fallen, that is, the ruble / dollar rate should have remained unchanged? And about your schedule about the growth of real GDP: and you better take a look, how many billions of dollars is the GDP of countries. And, by the way, something of a fall in GDP in the West is not observed.
                http://bs-life.ru/makroekonomika/vvp2014.html
                http://gtmarket.ru/ratings/rating-countries-gdp/rating-countries-gdp-info
                1. orskpdc 23 October 2015 14: 46 New
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                  How much you can buy gasoline for a salary.
                  I compare economic
                  life in Russia with other countries.
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  This suggests that people have money for overpayments and a lack of intelligence so as not to overpay

                  Everyone wants to live well, rich and poor and fools and smart.
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  This is me about the crisis, if you do not understand.

                  Sales of new cars fell 40% - is this an indicator of the crisis?
                  1. orskpdc 23 October 2015 15: 03 New
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                    Here is a bigger picture.
                    There is a crisis in Russia, and Friday in Moscow !!
                    1. VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 15 New
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                      Quote: orskpdc
                      There is a crisis in Russia, and Friday in Moscow !!

                      I don’t know how it is in Moscow, but in our province it is Friday.

                      By the way, your picture is lying.
                      Checked in Libya. http://gooper.ru/afrika/liviya/157-ceny-v-tripoli-liviya-na-produkty-benzin-aren

                      da-zhilya.html
                      Average salary Tripoli, Libya 786.86 USD
                      Fuel AI-95 gasoline 1l 5.00 USD

                      Total for a salary in Tripoli you can buy 157,372 liters of gasoline, a citizen of the modern day.

                      So, draw more realistic pictures. lol
                      1. atalef 24 October 2015 09: 34 New
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                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        I don’t know how it is in Moscow, but in our province it is Friday.
                      2. VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 45 New
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                        Yes, yes, I remember that you are addicted to brandy.
                      3. atalef 24 October 2015 11: 20 New
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                        Yes, yes, I remember that you are addicted to brandy.

                        Dependence ? belay
              2. VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 13 New
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                Quote: orskpdc
                I compare economic
                life in Russia with other countries.

                This is for one parameter ??? laughing Aff.tar, peesi ischo! fool

                Quote: orskpdc
                Everyone wants to live well, rich and poor and fools and smart.

                It’s good to live and eat a lot, far from it is not the same. wink
                If your whole life consists in making money and paying taxes, I am truly sorry for you.


                Quote: orskpdc
                Sales of new cars fell 40% - is this an indicator of the crisis?

                Actually, what's wrong? laughing I’m talking about the crisis! fool laughing
                1. atalef 24 October 2015 09: 39 New
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                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  This is for one parameter ??? Aff.tar, peesi ischo!

                  Yes, there is only one parameter - your own wallet and store, well, for those who are happy to go to Europe and see the exhausted faces of the decaying capitalists.
                  But the people of Europe are not at all clear at all, could you come to Russia (like Depardieu) quietly and live wonderful? Really, those leaving Russia in search of a better life in the West have not yet been explained to them?
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  It’s good to live and eat a lot, far away

                  Well. like I’m definitely not hungry and happy (well, if only in Korea, there’s someone to eat for them)

                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  sales of new cars fell by 40% - is this an indicator of the crisis?
                  Actually, what's wrong? I’m talking about the crisis!

                  Of course - according to all your indicators - they buy less, it’s good. Do not buy at all - is this ideal? belay
                  1. VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 53 New
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                    Yes, there is only one parameter - your own wallet and store, well, for those who are happy to go to Europe and see the exhausted faces of the decaying capitalists.

                    but in Caracas, given in a false tablet Chicken breasts, 1 kg 1026.88 rubles. That is, five times more commercials than ours. laughing fool
                    Quote: http://www.globalprice.info/?p=statistics/bigmac

                    Big Mac Index

                    The Big Mac Index is the cost of a burger on the Mac Donalds chain. Big poppy contains meat, vegetables, cheese, bread and other products. Its cost also includes the rental of premises and equipment, labor and many other factors. If the price of big poppy is low, then we can say that prices in the country are low, if high then prices are relatively high. Research is conducted by The Economist.

                    Belgium 335 rub.
                    Great Britain 289 rub.
                    Hungary 240 rub.
                    Venezuela 446 rub.
                    Germany 311 rub.

                    Russia 82 rub.


                    You completely disappointed me in the people of Israel. laughing laughing laughing

                    So, drink your brandy on. laughing laughing laughing
                  2. atalef 24 October 2015 11: 24 New
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                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    but in Caracas, given in a false tablet Chicken breasts, 1 kg 1026.88 rubles

                    And what does Caracas have to do with it? Did you answer me about external debt?
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    You completely disappointed me in the people of Israel.

                    Do we all now sprinkle ash on our heads?
                    wink
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    So, drink your brandy on.

                    Mine is Carvoisier
                    Courvoisier is the famous French cognac, the favorite drink of the Emperor Napoleon. This is a cognac with a rich, tart taste, deep, symbolizing restrained luxury.

                    Here you can buy Courvoisier cognac (wholesale and retail) of the following excerpts: Courvoisier VS, Courvoisier VSOP, Courvoisier XO.


                    Art: 3049197210202
                    3 985 R
                    BUY
                    ARE AVAILABLE
                    0.7 l
                    Cognac “Courvoisier VSOP”, used, 0.7 L
                    Class: VSOP
                    Brand Name: Courvoisier
                    Country: France

                    What about yours?
                  3. VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 16: 26 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    What about yours?

                    Yeah, "here you are not flat, here the climate is different" (c) laughing

                    I don’t use poison, uncle. yes

                    No, I do not persecute myself on holidays, nor on other days. good

                    Other your stupid questionsas I said, I ignore it.

                    PS By the way, uncle, I’m just wondering how much 0,7 liter poison is enough for you?
                  4. atalef 24 October 2015 16: 53 New
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                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    I don’t use poison, uncle.

                    And according to the comments, you can’t say
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    I ignore the rest of your stupid questions, as I said.

                    nothing to say, just laughing
      2. VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 05 New
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        Quote: anip
        Compare average salaries and prices in the USA, Europe and the Russian Federation.

        Spit and grind these salaries. if in the US household spending exceeds income by 20-30%. This suggests that they stupidly lack their salaries for the level of consumption imposed on them.
        Go .ot all over the world live in debt.

        Quote: anip
        And about your schedule about the growth of real GDP: and you better take a look, how many billions of dollars is the GDP of countries.

        Look through my communites, I already painted that the manufacturing sector of the US economy is comparable to that in Russia.
        1. atalef 24 October 2015 09: 28 New
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Spit and grind these salaries

          laughing
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          if in the US household spending exceeds income by 20-30%. This suggests that they stupidly lack their salaries for the level of consumption imposed on them.

          What kind of nonsense? Where did you get these 20-30%?
          Do you know that getting a overdraft (permissive minus) in the USA is a problem? The maximum that you can get is minus the level of monthly income. If you don’t know anything, don’t tell tales.
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Go .ot all over the world live in debt.

          Buying on credit is not a loan.
          mk monthly payments do not exceed monthly income.
          Do you feel the difference?
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Look through my communites, I already painted that the manufacturing sector of the US economy is comparable to that in Russia

          painted, painted. much that painted.
          Only Russia's GDP is 7% of the United States.
          Do you know the word export? This is what is sold specifically and exported from the United States. Not from China, but from the United States,
          US exports in 2014 amounted to 2351 billion dollars. USA. The USA is one of the world's largest exporters - 16% of global exports.

          They export (only) - this is almost 2 times more than the entire Russian GDP - ALL (1.2 trillion dollars)
          Who do you even score tanks for?
          1. VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 09: 41 New
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            What kind of nonsense? Where did you get these 20-30%?

            atalef, if you continue to ask your stupid questions, I will most likely stop responding to them, because it's boring.
            I have already brought Khazin here more than once, in this topic, by the way, you either listen to him or read articles on his website.

            Quote: atalef
            Buying on credit is not a loan.

            Debt. Smoke mana.

            Quote: atalef
            They export (only) - this is almost 2 times more than the entire Russian GDP - ALL (1.2 trillion dollars)

            Debts, you say, are growing in Western countries? laughing Ah, sorry, the loans are not paid, and this is not a debt. fool laughing
            1. atalef 24 October 2015 11: 28 New
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              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              atalef, if you continue to ask your stupid questions, I will most likely stop responding to them, because it's boring.

              For there is nothing laughing
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Quote: atalef
              Buying on credit is not a loan.
              Debt. Smoke mana.

              From the point of view of the financial system - no.
              Debt is when expenses exceed revenues
              I have all the purchases on credit (I pay with a credit card) - you want to say that I am in debt?
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Debts, you say, are growing in Western countries? Ah, sorry, the loans are not paid, and this is not a debt.

              Unpaid - debt Just what is the connection with US exports?
              As always, FSE is a damn thing, we are moving off uncomfortable questions good
  • APASUS 23 October 2015 22: 59 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy.

    And how will this affect the change in retirement age?

    Very strange question.
    Once the consumption level rises, taxes rise! All taxes ............
    When there is not enough GROWING tax revenue, then something is wrong in the tax system ...........
    And retirement age is a tool that allows you to not change a non-revenue system
  • Penetrator 23 October 2015 08: 29 New
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    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    ..after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991, they entered the world economy, which today is experiencing a systemic crisis, we will have to drink from this chalice, which is happening today.

    Tschemta, the USSR was divided not by “corrupt brainless communists”, but our whole society with joyful exclamations destroyed the country. And at the head of this process were people whose only sign of belonging to the Communists was only the presence of a membership card. And “fitting into the world economy” was made by the same shifters who suddenly became liberals and marketers.
    Nothing good came of this — he who can only destroy is not capable of creating, by definition. And we don’t have to go in about the “world system crisis” - it seems that we have not come out of this crisis for the past 25 years. And do not post charts with a percentage increase in GDP - it would be better to show data on the real GDP of Russia relative to the same Western countries. Everything is quite sour there.
    1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 09: 24 New
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      Quote: Penetrator
      The USSR was not divided by "corrupt brainless communists"

      Is President Yanukovych guilty of a coup d'etat in Ukraine? I would give the command to the golden eagle, in a moment we would clean the maydanut ...

      Quote: Penetrator
      Nothing good came of this — he who can only destroy is not capable of creating, by definition.

      Are you implying that the Russian people can only destroy?
      I insist that Russian people creator and creator!

      Quote: Penetrator
      that we have not come out of this crisis for the past 25 years.

      I don’t know how YOU are, and Russia emerges from the crisis quite successfully, becoming one of the leading world powers.

      Quote: Penetrator
      it would be better to show data on the real GDP of Russia relative to the same Western countries. Everything is quite sour there.

      The population of Luxemdurg is slightly less than the population of Yaroslavl. Luxembourg's external debt as of December 31, 2013 was nearly $ 3 trillion. And now the question is, if 3 trillion dollars are swollen in Yaroslavl, how will he feel?
      But the fact is that it is DEBT. And Russia lives on its own, within its means.
      Another example is in Norway, this "standard" of wealth and prosperity, the population is less than in St. Petersburg alone, and debt is greater than that of Great Russia.
      But you persistently scold your country, spitting in yourself. This is not smart, to say the least.
      1. Penetrator 23 October 2015 10: 11 New
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        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Are you implying that the Russian people can only destroy?
        I insist that the Russian people are creator and creator!

        I was not talking about the people, but about the then rulers. who came to power in the wake of "perestroika" (in her mouth drawbar). And I don’t scold the country, I simply state the fact - in 25 years they could, with such potential, build a much more normal state. Including a socially oriented one, in which they do not argue as a panacea for saving the economy or increasing the retirement age of citizens.
        1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 26 New
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          Quote: Penetrator
          I was not talking about the people, but about the then rulers. who came to power in the wake of "perestroika" (in her mouth drawbar).

          And once again I remind you that the Congo has a short memory or a comprehension broken - ALL, ABSOLUTELY ALL power - political, economic, military, space, etc., as you can imagine, was in the CPSU. that is, the Communists. And it was they, the Communists, who very talented that power. So talented that the USSR was dismembered.

          Quote: Penetrator
          And I don’t scold the country, I simply state the fact - in 25 years they could, with such potential, build a much more normal state. Including a socially oriented one, in which they do not argue as a panacea for saving the economy or increasing the retirement age of citizens.

          Not for 25, but less than 15, to be exact. And tell me at least one other country that is developing so successfully today. Let me remind you - the West has long been stagnating !!! China has huge problems, both economic and environmental ...
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            Hon 23 October 2015 18: 03 New
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            And tell me at least one other country that is developing so successfully today.

            China, India, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Ireland
            1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 18 New
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              Quote: Hon
              China, India, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Ireland

              Not everything is as simple as it seems. China has considerable problems and a ruined ecology. India creeps on imported technologies, China, by the way, also built the industry in China ...

              Ireland.
              Population - Assessment (2013) 4 593 100 (less than ours in St. Petersburg)
              External debt of € 1.670 trillion (2014)

              I hope you’ll figure it out yourself later.
              1. Hon
                Hon 23 October 2015 18: 33 New
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                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Not everything is as simple as it seems. China has considerable problems and a ruined ecology. India creeps on imported technologies, China, by the way, also built the industry in China ...

                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Ireland.
                Population - Assessment (2013) 4 593 100 (less than ours in St. Petersburg)

                and we have a population of 1/10 of China or India
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                India creeps on imported technology

                India itself imports technology, in particular software.

                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                China has considerable problems and a ruined ecology.

                not that we have, there are no problems at all, the ruble is only soon to be equal in price with toilet paper
                And what about South Korea. is everything bad too?
                1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 41 New
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                  Quote: Hon
                  not that we have, there are no problems at all, the ruble is only soon to be equal in price with toilet paper

                  Though the count on the head is comic ... Listen to Khazin and think over his words.



                  Quote: Hon
                  And what about South Korea. is everything bad too?

                  Poorly. On falling global demand, everyone is feeling bad.

                  PS For completeness.



                  PPS Russia also exports software. And nuclear power plants, and sells weapons to India, which India by no means learns to do ...

                  PPPS Why do you persistently consider your country the worst in the world ???
                  1. Hon
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                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    Though the count on the head is comic ... Listen to Khazin and think over his words.

                    Who else to listen to? so many theoretical economists divorced, predictors of the economic future, if only one guessed, well, at least by accident, with a finger to the sky. Nifiga. If they are all so smart, why only predict, and not one is involved in the real economy? theorist Gaidar began to study, it turned out very badly.
                  2. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 02 New
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                    Quote: Hon
                    Who else to listen to?

                    You can read, but to you, at least the count on the head is comic. laughing

                    Quote: http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/818247.html

                    Now let's take not the last 10 years, take only the last 3 years. Let's look at oil refineries, which, according to an article in the Elephant, have not been built. Here is an incomplete list of projects open during these three years:

                    1. RusVinyl, Kstovo, Nizhny Novgorod Region
                    2. Expansion of gas fractionation capacities at the Tobolsk-Neftekhim enterprise.
                    3. Expansion of the capacities of the Purovsky condensate processing plant.
                    4. Plant for the processing of associated petroleum gas LLC "Monolith".
                    5. Yaya oil refinery (first stage).
                    6. Polypropylene plant "Poliom", Omsk.
                    7. Installation of isomerization of light naphtha at the Moscow refinery.
                    8. Reconstruction of the Tuapse refinery (first stage).
                    9. Tobolsk-Polymer.
                    10. Complex deep oil refining at the Kirishi refinery.
                    11. Antipinsky oil refinery, Tyumen.
                    12. Combined hydrocracking unit for raw mix OJSC "TANECO", Nizhnekamsk, Republic of Tatarstan.
                    13. Installation for the production of hydrogen at the Bashneft-Novoil refinery, Ufa.
                    14. Installation of primary oil refining at the Volgograd refinery.
                    15. South Priobsky gas processing plant, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.



                    I emphasize that the link lists only the largest projects, the volume of which is estimated at tens and hundreds of billions of rubles. I’ll also add that if 15 years ago we exported 60 million tons of oil products, now this figure has grown two and a half times to 165 million tons. We process more and more oil on our territory, replacing the export of crude oil with export of fuel oil and high-quality fuel:
                  3. atalef 23 October 2015 19: 15 New
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                    You can read, but you, at least count on the head

                    How many times you do not say the word halva, in your mouth it will not become sweeter
                    The real disposable income of Russians in May 2015 decreased by 6,4 percent compared to the same period last year. This was reported in a press release from Rosstat. In general, over five months, revenues decreased by 3 percent: in April, their decline was 4 percent, and in March - 1,8 percent.

                    Rosstat. Russians do not consume and do not save: their purchasing power fell by 35% over the year
                  4. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 26 New
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                    How many times you do not say the word halva, in your mouth it will not become sweeter

                    Again... laughing

                    Quote: http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/818247.html

                    Take now not even the last 10 years, take only the last 3 years. Let's look at the oil refineries, which, according to an article in the Elephant, have not been built. Here is an incomplete list of projects open during these three years:

                    1. RusVinyl, Kstovo, Nizhny Novgorod Region
                    2. Expansion of gas fractionation capacities at the Tobolsk-Neftekhim enterprise.
                    3. Expansion of the capacities of the Purovsky condensate processing plant.
                    4. Plant for the processing of associated petroleum gas LLC "Monolith".
                    5. Yaya oil refinery (first stage).
                    6. Polypropylene plant "Poliom", Omsk.
                    7. Installation of isomerization of light naphtha at the Moscow refinery.
                    8. Reconstruction of the Tuapse refinery (first stage).
                    9. Tobolsk-Polymer.
                    10. Complex deep oil refining at the Kirishi refinery.
                    11. Antipinsky oil refinery, Tyumen.
                    12. Combined hydrocracking unit for raw mix OJSC "TANECO", Nizhnekamsk, Republic of Tatarstan.
                    13. Installation for the production of hydrogen at the Bashneft-Novoil refinery, Ufa.
                    14. Installation of primary oil refining at the Volgograd refinery.
                    15. South Priobsky gas processing plant, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.



                    I emphasize that the link lists only the largest projects, the volume of which is estimated at tens and hundreds of billions of rubles. I’ll also add that if 15 years ago we exported 60 million tons of oil products, now this figure has grown two and a half times to 165 million tons. We process more and more oil on our territory, replacing the export of crude oil with export of fuel oil and high-quality fuel:
        2. atalef 23 October 2015 18: 59 New
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          Population - Assessment (2013) 4 593 100 (less than ours in St. Petersburg)
          External debt of € 1.670 trillion (2014)

          yes 1000% of GDP, and they don’t die - bastards. and the USA has only 100% of GDP request- live yes live wink

          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          I hope you’ll come up with it yourself

          in in. hi
          1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 08 New
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            yes 1000% of GDP, and they don’t die - bastards. and in the USA - only 100% of GDP request- live yes live wink

            Yes, yes, I also talked about Luxemdurg. laughing

            By the way, who has this 1000% of GDP? request
            And with what fright does the US have 100%? request
            1. atalef 23 October 2015 19: 16 New
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              And with what fright the USA has 100%

              How much?
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              How much?

              Your phrase, please explain.

              Quote: atalef
              yes 1000% of GDP, and they don’t die - bastards. and in the USA - only 100% of GDP request- live yes live wink
            3. atalef 23 October 2015 20: 03 New
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              Your phrase, please explain.

              Yes please
              On August 18, 2015, the US public debt amounted to 18,350 trillion dollars. [8]

              According to a more accurate estimate, US GDP in the second quarter grew by 3,7% and reached 19.1 trillion dollars

              further count yourself? Or help?
              By the way, remember that in 2011 it was above 100% of GDP, and now --- oops
              Of course you give a damn about it, but illusions are so broken. hi
            4. VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 08: 50 New
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              By the way, remember that in 2011 it was above 100% of GDP, and now --- oops

              Now not oops, but a seam and tryndets. laughing
              Bubble, if not inflate, it will remain a bubble. How much do you need to repeat so that at least a little start to reach? laughing
              1. Studies on macroeconomics.

              When I read textbooks on macroeconomics, I recall the course of lectures on psychiatry that I listened to in my youth as a student at the medical institute. Most often, I recall the classic type of disturbance in mental activity called "paralogical thinking." This is such a way of reasoning as in the well-known joke: "the box is square, it means it is round. Once round, it means orange. Well, if it is orange, then it is an orange!"

              Do not believe? Then I will give you a well-known life situation: in one country, for example, they produced a million cubes of industrial wood, cast a million tons of cast iron and rolled up a billion cans of stewed pork and condensed milk in case of starvation. Suppose all this costs a trillion dollars and makes up the gross national product. After a couple of decades, the GNP of this country increased fivefold. And exactly, four trillion erotic massages, manicures, pedicures, hair styling and makeup were done, and another trillion visitors were served in strip bars and topless cafes. Cast iron, condensed milk and stew were imported from abroad in wooden crates, which they used instead of wood, which they did not chop or saw themselves. Paid as usual in dollars. They printed a lot of dollars, so that was enough for everyone.


              A familiar picture? That's it. wink
            5. atalef 24 October 2015 09: 15 New
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              Now not oops, but a seam and tryndets.
              Bubble, if not inflate, it will remain a bubble. How much do you need to repeat so that at least a little start to reach?

              Yes, another tale of a man who does not understand anything in the economy. The problem is not in debt, but in the possibility of its maintenance.
              And do not draw me fairy tales about wood and condensed milk.
              Think of a simpler mortgage
              Its value (let's just say your personal public debt) is several times higher than your GDP, nevertheless you do not die of hunger. And you live in better conditions than before.
  • atalef 23 October 2015 18: 54 New
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    And once again I remind you that the Congo has a short memory or a comprehension broken - ALL, ABSOLUTELY ALL power - political, economic, military, space, etc., as you can imagine, was in the CPSU. that is, the Communists. And it was they, the Communists, who very talented that power. So talented that the USSR was dismembered.

    just don’t tell us that. tknu just all the modern Russian power-were communists
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Not for 25, but less than 15

    Why not calculate the interval from 2004 to 2007? then generally rise, just space
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    Let me remind you - the West has long been stagnating !!!

    Damn, etozh then how are they then before the stagnation that zhiiiiiiiii crying
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    China has huge problems, both economic and environmental ...

    Yes, what about the Power of Siberia?
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      just don’t tell us that. tknu just all the modern Russian power-were communists

      So, after all, they ...

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      Why not calculate the interval from 2004 to 2007? then generally rise, just space

      Why so thick? Even with 2000 we take and compare with the West.


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      Damn, how are they then before the stagnation then dwells crying

      They lived a bit shabby. They lived with inflation and unemployment. Until the USSR was dismembered and received new markets ...

      Quote: atalef
      Yes, what about the Power of Siberia?

      With anything. The economy of China is built by the West and is aimed at external consumption, which is now falling in the world. And this is good. If the same China compares consumption with the western one, a quick and decisive seam will come to the planet.

      Actually, people behave worse than monkeys with a sledgehammer in a glass-blowing workshop. People are intensively destroying the life support systems of a spaceship called Earth.
  • Penetrator 23 October 2015 19: 11 New
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    it was they, the Communists, who very talented that power. So talented that the USSR was dismembered.

    Mortician. Go Medvedev, Gref and Chubais in the ass kiss. They are awesome statesmen. Not that the communists.
  • Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 11: 46 New
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    But the fact is that it is DEBT. And Russia lives on its own, within its means.

    Have you ever wondered why they live better with debt than we do without debt?
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      Which means better? If my neighbor drives a car for a million, of which he took 700 thousand on credit and will give 5 and 700 interest for 700 years, and I drive a car for half a million I bought for my savings - does he live better than me? Just because his ass is currently sitting in a car that costs more than mine? Despite the fact that my car is mine, and the one on which he drives is not his wink
    2. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 31 New
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      Have you ever wondered why they live better with debt than we do without debt?

      Invar, they live NOT better, they (maybe) spend more. These concepts are very different.

      And I have already said many times that the West has built its well-being on the robbery of other countries, including ours.

      In addition, whether you like it or not, we live in a country that has lost the Cold War.
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        And I have already said many times that the West has built its well-being on the robbery of other countries, including ours.

        And who was robbed by France, Germany, Finland in modern realities. Who is robbing South Korea and Japan, maybe Australia is robbing someone?
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          And who was robbed by France, Germany, Finland in modern realities. Who is robbing South Korea and Japan, maybe Australia is robbing someone?

          Once again to Khazin, he laid out everything long ago.

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            once to Khazin, he laid out everything long ago.

            On its shelves. The US should have been bent 3 years ago, but for that, after the EU laughing
            Khazin is a market economist. such is Kurginyan from the economy.
        2. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 49 New
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          And who was robbed by France, Germany, Finland in modern realities. Who is robbing South Korea and Japan, maybe Australia is robbing someone?

          Once again to Khazin, he laid out everything long ago.

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          And who was robbed by France, Germany, Finland in modern realities. Who is robbing South Korea and Japan, maybe Australia is robbing someone?

          like whom. Aboriginal people.
      2. atalef 23 October 2015 19: 09 New
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        Invar, they live NOT better, they (maybe) spend more. These concepts are very different

        They live worse - because they have money to spend. and in Russia it’s better because there is no money.
        From damn it, you confused me how this one was supposed to fly there yesterday (from the film BACK TO THE FUTURE) - he had self-binding sneakers there. and in your universe, probably a self-tightening noose
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        And I have already said many times that the West has built its well-being on the robbery of other countries, including ours.

        so i don't get it belay Do they have money or not?
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        Also, whether you like it or not, we live in a country that has lost the Cold War

        some kind of not quite connected set of words, since in general - in Russia now (in your opinion) good or bad (in the economy, of course), you are an economist wink
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          Go to an American friend and ask for 10 bucks. Will it take? Never! NO !!! Come with a friend, ask for a loan of 1000 rubles. Rarely, who will refuse. Do not know why?
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      Quote: VseDoFeNi
      But the fact is that it is DEBT. And Russia lives on its own, within its means.

      Have you ever wondered why they live better with debt than we do without debt?

      Why should he think?
      In terms of numbers, everything agrees.
      Ethiopia has an external debt of 13% of GDP and 1000% in Ireland.
      Only in Ethiopia, life expectancy is (m / f) 53-59
      and in Ireland --------------------------------------- 79-83
      This is specially made so that the Irish would suffer longer. and Ethiopians would die young and happy.
  • Bayonet 23 October 2015 15: 21 New
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    I insist that the Russian people are creator and creator!

    Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.
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      Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.

      under the current government this is impossible
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        under the current government this is impossible

        Let me remind you that the Soviet Union collapsed under Soviet power.
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          Let me remind you that the Soviet Union collapsed under Soviet power.

          And I remind you that it was during the Soviet era that the USSR was created!
          and it was ruined by the Jews, and the receivers of those Judas are now in power.
          Well, what to pour from empty to empty your position is completely clear to me and I am its fierce opponent, because. only the "blind" does not see that all actions of the current government are aimed at the merciless robbery of the country and the genocide of its population!
          All the rest is PR for the plebs.
          1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 23 New
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            And I remind you that it was during the Soviet era that the USSR was created!

            No problem. Only the Russian Empire was destroyed and only in the civilian were ditched more than 10 million of our citizens ...
            Judas in RI organized riots and revolutions in wartime.

            All actions of the current government are aimed at correcting the consequences of the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991 and staged genocide of the population in the 90s. At a million a year, Russia was dying. And today’s growth, albeit small.
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              Only the Russian Empire was destroyed and only in the civilian were ditched more than 10 million of our citizens ...

              This topic on VO is already chewed ....
              If you are a fan of Mlechin, Svanidze, and others like them, then 10 and 15 and 20, there are even pearls about 100 million fellow citizens (and this, with the total population of the Republic of Ingushetia about 140 million people) who died in the Civil, insanity grew stronger as necessary to discredit the Soviet regime .
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              And today’s growth, albeit small.

              get to the cemetery in your city and there you will see population growth ...
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              All actions of the current government are aimed at correcting the consequences of the dismemberment of the USSR

              it will be difficult for you, because I have eyes and ears, and to them education and intelligence, they allow me to distinguish black from white wink
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        3. Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 18: 36 New
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          Let me remind you that the Soviet Union collapsed under Soviet power
          And I remind you that the Soviet government is the power of the councils of people's deputies, and not the power of the CPSU.

          That they killed the Soviet regime since the 60s, and killed in the 77th, when they stuck a freak of the 6th article in the constitution.

          That such “brainless” “communists” as Gorbachev killed her (Order of Honor (February 28, 2001) - for her great contribution to the development of democratic transformations and in connection with her seventieth birthday)
          Putin - Dear Mikhail Sergeyevich!
          Congratulations on your birthday.
          Fruitful public, research activities, active participation in popular charity, educational projects have rightfully earned you deep respect. It is important that you pay unremitting attention to the implementation of significant initiatives in the field of international cooperation, with your multifaceted work, strive to help increase Russia's prestige in the world.
          I wish you health, prosperity and all the best.
          http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/letters/17612

          Like Yeltsin (Order of Merit to the Fatherland, First Class (June 12, 2001) - for a particularly outstanding contribution to the formation and development of Russian statehood)
          Putin - “Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, along with the new Russia, has gone through a difficult but necessary transformation. He has led the process of radical changes that have led Russia out of the impasse. Russia has received a rebirth. It has become a civilized open state, and the role of the first president in the formation of this state is huge.
          It was at this time that Russia was born open and thinking about people, democratic institutions were formed, the Russian Constitution was adopted, which proclaimed the highest value of human rights and freedom. "
          http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2011/536637.shtml

          Like Gaidar
          Putin: “The death of Yegor Timurovich Gaidar is a bereavement for Russia, for all of us. There is no true citizen and patriot, a strong-minded person, a talented scientist, writer and practitioner.
          Not every statesman has the opportunity to serve the Fatherland at the most critical stages of its history, to make key decisions that will determine the future of the country
          Egor Timurovich Gaidar adequately accomplished this difficult task, showing the best professional and personal qualities
          He did not shy away from responsibility and in the most difficult situations he held a blow with honor and courage
          The blessed memory of Yegor Gaidar will forever remain in the hearts of his family and friends, all who knew this wonderful person. "
          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=331463&tid=75735

          Like Chubais
          Putin: “Chubais and his associates made many mistakes in the 90s, but they managed to radically change the structure of the economy. I believe that he and a number of people who worked with him then, of course, made many mistakes. And a certain image formed, but someone had to do what they did. They changed the whole structure of the Russian economy and essentially changed the pace of development. "
          http://vz.ru/news/2013/4/25/630312.html

          And that such figures as Solzhenitsyn contributed to this murder.
          Putin told what he was talking with Solzhenitsyn.
          "We talked about the current situation, the future of the country. For my part, I drew the attention of the writer to the fact that some of the steps that we are taking today are in many ways in tune with what Solzhenitsyn wrote."
          http://www.newsru.com/russia/12jun2007/solj.html
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            That they killed the Soviet regime since the 60s, and killed in the 77th, when they stuck a freak of the 6th article in the constitution.

            Do you remember this yourself? Do not tell, they don’t live that much. I'm January 62th, if that.

            Your quotes, Vasya - are sick of it already. They do not convince of anything, by the way. Like - write .. hello to you from cats and dogs (I have two of them already, everyone has what they have)

            Somehow repeat
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          Let me remind you that the Soviet Union collapsed under Soviet power.

          well reminded further?
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    3. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 34 New
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      Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.

      The latest weapons systems are ALREADY being created, GLONASS has been created - Russia is the second country in the world with its own navigation system, a new spaceport is being built, there is nothing to count. But you persistently do not want to see it.
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        Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.
        The latest weapons systems are ALREADY being created,

        IMHO you answered the wrong question ..
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    I don’t know how YOU are, and Russia emerges from the crisis quite successfully, becoming one of the leading world powers

    DEMAGOGUE
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      DEMAGOGUE

      And to justify? laughing
      Or can you just poke cons? bully
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      DEMAGOGUE

      And to justify? laughing
      Or can you just poke cons? bully
  • forwarder 25 October 2015 00: 18 New
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    But the fact is that it is DEBT. And Russia lives on its own, within its means.

    In order not to argue from scratch, you can see Allianz 2015 data for 2014.
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    Nothing good came of it
    Let me disagree with you! Comparing 70 years and 2000. I find that life has become better now. Admit it at least to yourself. hi
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      . I find that life has become better now. Admit it at least to yourself.

      I confess to officials, cops, judges and other prosecutors
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      . I find that life has become better now.

      It depends on what values ​​to take as a base. If vital, then worse.
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        If vital, then worse.

        Shops are empty, citizens swelling from hunger are buying cars with special cynicism for the last penny ...

        Do not tell, you are our demagogue, homegrown. laughing
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          Shops are empty, citizens swelling from hunger are buying cars with special cynicism for the last penny ...

          if citizens buy cars so actively, why is there a crisis in the automotive industry? AvtoVAZ cuts 6000 people, by the way they have an average salary of 20 tr, which is called do not deny yourself anything.
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            AvtoVAZ

            Avtotaz has long been no longer a car .. and you are not in the know, apparently
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              so if only AvtoVAZ
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            if citizens buy cars so actively, why is there a crisis in the automotive industry?

            Well, like small children. laughing
            WORLD CRISIS !!!! Who does not have a crisis ??? There is a crisis in the USA, a crisis in geyrops, in China, India ... EVERYWHERE !!!
            And then, not such a crisis, if VAZ learned to make cars, did KAMAZ expand its line of cars?
            What do you want from Russia with 146 million against the half-billion geyropa, three hundred million US, almost three million in China and India ??? fool
            Our population is only half a percent of the world.
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              WORLD CRISIS !!!! Who does not have a crisis ??? There is a crisis in the USA, a crisis in geyrops, in China, India ... EVERYWHERE !!!

              yeah world, but for some reason the biggest problems are with Russia, the ruble is the weakest currency even in relation to the hryvnia, TO THE Hryvnia CARL !!! Capital and business are fleeing from Russia and not from the EU and the USA, although they seem to live on debt and we can afford it.
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              What do you want from Russia with 146 million against the half-billion geyropa, three hundred million US, almost three million in China and India ???
              Our population is only half a percent of the world.

              only we have more gas and other natural resources than the United States, Europe and China combined. Actually due to this we live
              And for some reason, when Ireland is cited as an example, the argument that they have a small population is interpreted in their favor
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                only we have more gas and other natural resources than the United States, Europe and China combined. Actually due to this we live

                This is clear to any sane person. That we have more resources and that we live at their expense. Only stubborn dolbotrotov type VseDoFeNi is unknown. Well, they believe that Russia has bent all and has become a leading world power. They live in a parallel world, in my opinion ..
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                only we have more gas and other natural resources than the United States, Europe and China combined

                Nothing like that, they have much more in common
                Quote: Hon
                And for some reason, when Ireland is cited as an example, the argument that they have a small population is interpreted in their favor

                I'll tell you a terrible thing. 2,5 times more population in America than in Russia
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              WORLD CRISIS !!!!

              There is no global crisis.
              Especially in the USA
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              And then, not such a crisis

              So GDP, DAM and Kab.min-all lie?
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              if VAZ learned to make a car, KAMAZ expanded the range of cars?

              well, if you learned, then really, what a crisis laughing

              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              what do you want from Russia with 146 million against the half-billion geyropa, three hundred million US, almost three million in China and India ???

              Indeed, what then can be generally demanded of Monaco, Luxembourg or some kind of shattered Sweden, and in Africa in one month it dies from AIDS, more than people live there.
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              So if it is global, so why exacerbate it in Russia? Few people here are aware, but from November 15 a new levy will be introduced that will affect trucks with a max allowed. weighing more than 12 tons for travel on federal highways in the amount of 3.73 rubles per 1 km of track. Can you imagine what this will turn out for the economy? And for car owners, small entrepreneurs? Moreover, the money must be paid BEFORE leaving the flight! Why on TV about this is silent? Prices ABSOLUTELY FOR ALL DIRECTLY grow 10 percent!
              And you are talking about KAMAZ (which Mercedes is an actress in fact), but at the cosmodromes (which are also needed).
          3. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 36 New
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            if citizens buy cars so actively, why is there a crisis in the automotive industry?

            Well, like small children. laughing
            WORLD CRISIS !!!! Who does not have a crisis ??? There is a crisis in the USA, a crisis in geyrops, in China, India ... EVERYWHERE !!!
            And then, not such a crisis, if VAZ learned to make cars, did KAMAZ expand its line of cars?
            What do you want from Russia with 146 million against the half-billion geyropa, three hundred million US, almost three million in China and India ??? fool
            Our population is only half a percent of the world.
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      Let me disagree with you! Comparing 70 years and 2000. I find that life has become better now. Admit it at least to yourself. hi

      The anger will not agree with you and will mercilessly minus. smile
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    I did not destroy the country with any exclamations. None of my relatives and friends destroyed the country with any exclamations. Even if we wanted this, we could not have done it. No way. Have we quit working and staged maidan? Did we smash something? Did we plunder? And I did not vote for Yeltsin. Who ruined everything? Everyone knows that. And not only three in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. There is unsinkable Chubais. Even 7-8 years ago, I heard how he calmly explained in the School of Slander — no one was going to give anything to the people by privatization, we just wanted to take the property from the Communists, we took it. We! And rightly so, he was not alone in acting. Who ruined? Who lives happily ever after, they collapsed. Where did they all come from and briskly steered the country, finances? Pure robbery. And beautifully everything was blamed on the people. The people poorly managed their lives! The people are silent. Because he understands everything. Including the fact that nothing can be done. Someone always organizes revolutions, but he also receives benefits, not people. Elemental riots all the more so do nothing good. We were still well taught at school.
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  • shershen 23 October 2015 08: 57 New
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    Credit bondage is not wealth.
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      Credit bondage is not wealth.

      Moderate your Wishlist and everything will be fine. Taking a loan is justified in less than 1% of cases.

      Here it is perfectly shown how you are being manipulated, "frolic in your right hemisphere."

    2. Bayonet 23 October 2015 15: 27 New
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      Quote: shershen
      Credit bondage is not wealth.

      Quote: shershen
      Credit bondage is not wealth.

      Why take loans? I never took and will not take - I do not want to feed the parasites. If something is needed, I will save and buy it - without overpayment! And who has impatience - overpay. You ask, for example, a friend, do you take a loan for hell to change your TV? And he answers - I can’t save, they don’t hold on to me (money) request
      1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 10 New
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        Why take loans? I never took and will not take - I do not want to feed the parasites.
        I shake my hand, taking off my hat! Loans, this is a DIRECT source of inflation - took a loan - robbed himself and the rest of the people.

        Quote: Bayonet
        And he answers - I can’t save, they don’t hold on to me (money)

        So this is not the government's fault, but mother nature. laughing
        1. Bayonet 23 October 2015 18: 56 New
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          So this is not the government's fault, but Mother Nature

          That's right, they will get loans, they will grab everything, but they don’t think about how to give back! Well, I do not understand these! hi
        2. atalef 23 October 2015 19: 21 New
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          I shake my hand, taking off my hat! Loans, this is a direct source of inflation

          what the hell?
          Loans go to the sphere of goods and services i.e. are the usual working capital in the economy
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            what the hell?
            Loans go to the sphere of goods and services i.e. are the usual working capital in the economy

            atalef, I was not hired as the deputy of Yandex. Search the search engines. I’ll quote you, but I’m tired of this already.
            .2.3. Credit and money issues
            It is that toEach new loan provided by the bank to the borrower increases the national money supply by at least the amount of the loan. In other words, a new bank loan is a credit issue of non-cash funds, or, as they sometimes say, banks themselves create new money.

            In the understanding that the bank as a company that stores the money of one client and lends this money to another, increases the total amount of money - there is nothing special and complicated. This was done during the gold and silver circulation. Having received the money for storage, the banker wrote it down to the owner’s account as his debt. If he then issued the same other people's money on credit to another, then cash appeared in circulation, along with the fact that non-cash remained on the account of their owner.

            Still in the search for "operations with partial reservation".
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              on is that each new loan provided by the bank to the borrower increases the national money supply, at least by the amount of the loan. In other words, a new bank loan is a credit issue of non-cash funds, or, as they sometimes say, banks themselves create new money.

              Do not tell tales, commercial banks receive (buy) money from the Central Bank, which regulates the money supply. (CB rate)
              Therefore, automatically your statement - just ridiculous and generally give a reference, otkel this nonsense?

              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              as they sometimes say, banks themselves create new money.

              Banks (commercial) do not create money, they are printed by the Central Bank. Remember this magic word, the Central Bank is responsible for issuing money and therefore sells them with a base rate higher than expected inflation, and commercial banks still wind up their margins. So where from? Sir inflation?
              Have you heard about the monetary easing policy, about the negative rate of the Central Bank? When you take a loan, and give less than you took (Japan. Switzerland, a little more and Europe) - why is there inflation lower than the Russian Federation?
      2. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 18: 10 New
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        Why take loans? I never took and will not take - I do not want to feed the parasites.
        I shake my hand, taking off my hat! Loans, this is a DIRECT source of inflation - took a loan - robbed himself and the rest of the people.

        Quote: Bayonet
        And he answers - I can’t save, they don’t hold on to me (money)

        So this is not the government's fault, but mother nature. laughing
      3. Hello 23 October 2015 19: 42 New
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        Why take loans? I never took and will not take - I do not want to feed the parasites. If something is needed, I will save and buy it - without overpayment! And who has impatience - overpay. You ask, for example, a friend, do you take a loan for hell to change your TV? And he answers - I can’t save, they don’t hold on to me (money)

        I do not agree with you, dear, I’ll give an example of myself, I took a car loan of 4.5% for 5 years. I can save money for a car for 5 years and even save some money, but I need a car now and not after 5 years, therefore overpay. hi
        1. a housewife 24 October 2015 04: 41 New
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          So you need to start saving up not when the car is needed. hi
        2. Bayonet 24 October 2015 14: 43 New
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          but I need a car now and not after 5 years, therefore I overpay.

          This is a different case. Most people take it not for urgent needs, but many just from show-offs - a fashionable smartphone, a car that is no worse than that of a neighbor, but a lot of things ... And most importantly - where you will find such a percentage in Russia - 4.5 !!!!!!! It’s elementary for us that a person pays a year, and then finds out that he owes even more than before !!!request
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          Quote: Hello
          I can save money for a car in 5 years and even save some money, but I need a car now and not in 5 years, therefore I overpay. hi

          You bought a car because you are IMPOSING it. Watch the movie "99 francs", it perfectly shows, "who frolic in your right hemisphere." laughing



          And here is your portrait, not in the sense of gender, in the sense of meaningless behavior. Believe me, uncle, advertisers and marketers knowingly get the loot by inhaling a fetish so that you don’t notice it. wink
          Lena Vurdalakina drinks cola, smokes marlboro, chews stimorol and eats three-throated gambugers at McDonald's. She always smells longer than gabbana, and Lena carries her iPhone in a bag from Louisville.
          At the same time, Lena is sure that the advertisement does not work on her in any way, and a sick stomach and an empty wallet are her own choice.
          Predatory snouts from television screens in chorus support Lena in her naive delusion: "You are a free person, Lenochka, you are a smart and beautiful woman, you always absolutely voluntarily and independently choose which of us you dutifully take your next salary.
  • anip 23 October 2015 09: 49 New
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    And Russia has a chance to pass this crisis in passing.

    How to get? The collapse of the ruble twice, higher prices, lower wages, cuts in workers - is this "passing the crisis in passing"? And then what is "not in passing"?

    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.

    This is just a clear indication that people do not have money to save for a car and buy. While a person will save up for a car, the price will rise, otherwise the ruble will collapse, so they buy on credit and drive 5-15 year old cars.

    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy.

    What do you have in mind, beggars? People like you, hoo-Utriots, enthusiastically poke in the United States, up (s), hoping that there really-how many beggars in trailers live and do not know how to live in the comfort that trailer towns provide for million inhabitants of the Russian Federation simply for happiness. And yes, almost all the poor living in trailer towns have cars, and not cheap at all. Or, in your opinion, a beggar in the Russian Federation is climbing tanks and living in a heating main, and a beggar in the USA is having a jeep and living in a comfortable trailer?
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      How to get

      Straight.

      Anip, as far as I see you - you are always feeling bad .. maybe, what to fix in the conservatory? repeat
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    Hon 23 October 2015 10: 26 New
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    “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past.

    and oil wasn’t so expensive. By the way, this is not Moscow by accident in the photo, it painfully reminds the area of ​​Lyubertsy fields, although all the new areas are similar. A101 developer probably their design
    1. orskpdc 23 October 2015 15: 08 New
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      There is a crisis in Russia, and Friday in Moscow !!
  • Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 16: 08 New
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    remember the fall of the 90s
    Remember. How does this justify the current state of affairs?

    after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists
    Lying. They were corrupt, but they were not brainless, and the Communists were only on party cards.

    in 1991 entered the world economy
    Lying. In the 90s, Russia only Have begun fit into the world economy, and the main stages of this fit took place in the zero, and ended with the signing of documents by Putin on Russia's accession to the WTO.

    26.05.2004/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin: more integration into the world economy.
    The second direction is the inclusion of Russia in the world economy. “Accession to conditions favorable to Russia to the WTO”, increasing exports, protecting Russian companies abroad.
    “It is important that the enlarged European Union borders with us not only geographically, but also economically and spiritually,” the president said.
    http://polit.ru/news/2004/05/26/ecconomyy/

    04.06.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin: the financial crisis has not changed Russia's course towards integration into the global economy.
    “I’m sure that the speedy accession of Russia to the WTO and the OECD on mutually acceptable and non-discriminatory conditions will enhance the stability of world trade and the economic system,” Putin said at a meeting with representatives of Russian and Finnish business circles on Wednesday.

    22.11.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Vladimir Putin: “Russia will continue to integrate into the global economy”
    “We are negotiating accession to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. We hope to become its full member in the near future. ”
    http://altaypost.ru/11207-vladimir-putin-rossiya-prodolzhit-integraciyu-v-mirovu
    yu-ekonomiku.html

    the economy in the west will plummet
    laughing

    And in fact, things in Russia, living within our means, and not in debt, are much better
    And that is why Vladimir Vladimirovich constantly pushes about the need to attract foreign investment - the essence of borrowed funds lol

    The graph is left, made by a Finnish company, drawing and writing for grandmas anything.

    Real GDP (market price goods and services) from 2005 to 2013 increased by 33.5% compared to 2005.
    http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/ru/rates/46880c804a41fb53
    bdcebf78e6889fb6

    Today, under Putin, the people
    Commenting on this nonsense is pointless.
    Moreover, as I wrote in another topic, "under Putin" is absolutely not equal "thanks to Putin."

    Well, poor people do not buy cars. And on credit, and for cash does not buy
    They buy, and it is on credit (just take and buy - there is no money for this)

    And the most important thing that directly relates to the article is that the alleged need to raise the retirement age arose not under Putin ("with" not equal to "thanks"), but precisely because of Putin - thanks to his economic policy and pension reform.
  • Lapotnik 23 October 2015 16: 18 New
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    Epan ... Stayed with his do not buy! and do not buy 80% of the country's population. What you have under the windows is that same notorious layer of the middle class, which makes up a little more than 15% of the population, and even these are not official Russians, but 30-40% traffickers come along and are “businessmen”. Damn the last time you were in the subway? If by your logic, then from the subway and from minibuses already the lion's share should transfer to cars.

    The car is not a luxury, but a vehicle, and they should not buy it on CREDIT but on EARNED! And this is the BASIC thing to think about!
    And not all of Russia buys! Most of the used cars, sales fell by 40-50% with the crisis, what’s new, what’s used, but he doesn’t care.
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    Epan ... Stayed with his do not buy! and do not buy 80% of the country's population. What you have under the windows is that same notorious layer of the middle class, which makes up a little more than 15% of the population, and even these are not official Russians, but 30-40% traffickers come along and are “businessmen”. Damn the last time you were in the subway? If by your logic, then from the subway and from minibuses already the lion's share should transfer to cars.

    The car is not a luxury, but a vehicle, and they should not buy it on CREDIT but on EARNED! And this is the BASIC thing to think about!
    And not all of Russia buys! Most of the used cars, sales fell by 40-50% with the crisis, what’s new, what’s used, but he doesn’t care.
  • onix757 23 October 2015 20: 31 New
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    In the Union, the minimum wage of about 70r was at the same time utility bills amounted to about 2-3 rubles. Today the average salary in the country is 15 thousand, the communal service is 5-6 thousand or 30% of the salary. And this is not counting taxes, the needs of kindergartens, schools, and expensive gasoline. Richer than steel? I doubt it .. Well, the fact that they drove people into credit slavery, giving them the opportunity to buy cars and other equipment, is still slavery and nothing compared to the real values ​​that we lost.
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      In the Union, the minimum wage of about 70r was at the same time utility bills amounted to about 2-3 rubles. Today the average salary in the country is 15 thousand; communal service is 5-6 thousand or 30% of the salary
      And why do you compare the minimum wage in the USSR with the average (which is actually over 32000, with a median of 25000) in Russia?

      The minimum wage in the USSR is 70 rubles, utility bills 2-3 rubles.
      The minimum wage in the Russian Federation is 5965 rubles, utility bills 5-6 thousand rubles.
    2. Bayonet 24 October 2015 14: 51 New
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      . Well, the fact that people were driven into credit slavery

      Nobody drives anyone in the neck! Well, if "stupid, like a tree, you will be born a baobab And you will baobab live your whole life while you die." (V. Vysotsky) hi
  • UrraletZ 23 October 2015 07: 46 New
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    This is not the “Medvedev government” because the Medvedevs in it are only the chairman-in-chief, but the anti-Putin economic bloc.
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      and the anti-Putin economic bloc.

      this anti-Putin bloc was appointed by Putin, and by the way, Putin repeatedly praised them for their work. Recently awarded the Order
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      This is not the “Medvedev government” because the Medvedevs in it are only the chairman-in-chief, but the anti-Putin economic bloc.

      Medvedev, chairman of United Russia - United Russia represents a majority in the Duma (even if the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party, the Soviet Union unite as a counterweight). Based on this, none of the draft laws that worsen the situation of Russian citizens can be blocked a priori.
      It is clear that the destructive effect of these laws is veiled and retouched by "good intentions" and promises, which then will certainly be better. Which is better? Already there are proposals to attract foreign funds to develop the Pension Reform of Russia. FOR WHAT ARTICLE? These FOREIGN ADVISERS were advised so much in the 90s that we are still struggling to raise our economy out of ruins. We reform medicine and education under a foreign standard so that there is no education or medicine. Parody. The forest reform was carried out, the taiga was on fire, illegal logging became an epidemic, hunting sites were plucked cunningly .. and they killed animals all year round, worse than poachers, they hunted the hunter like a hare making it difficult for him to own weapons and restrict access to the lands. Hunting for the rich! Land reform will force summer residents to pay exorbitant taxes for 6 hundred parts, essentially driving them off the ground ... And all this is pushed relying on United Russia led by DAM.
      This "wise" decision to increase the retirement age only for government officials is the same cobblestone, which for the time being has been tidied up with the government’s bosom and which it will soon hit the people, under the slogan - "We have tested ourselves and are not buzzing."
      Why buzz? A senator from the Komi Republic receives 450 thousand rubles a month (they all have the same salary there) - that is, 15000 per day !!! + state support, free travel, state housing, 13 salaries with bonuses in the amount of some salaries. And why should they break into retirement? For them, the trick is how not to retire !!!
      With us, not every pensioner receives a pension of 15000 and stretches for a MONTH! Many have to turn around and earn extra money, but even the DAM government turned a blind eye to this extra money - offering not to index pensions for working pensioners! Absurd! A senior citizen with an extra income detaches income 13%, and the government does not want to unfasten 2-4% having a pensioner from 9-11%.
      In a word, United Russia is Russia's main brake. When there will be elections - Think about children and parents who can neither learn, nor cure, nor meet a calm old age and do not forget about the "nishtyaks" who passed through the United Russia Duma majority.
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        I would very much like to live until that bright day when the people will judge the overthrown rulers
      2. Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 16: 53 New
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        Medvedev, chairman of United Russia - United Russia represents a majority in the Duma (even if the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party, the Soviet Union unite as a counterweight). Based on this, none of the draft laws that worsen the situation of Russian citizens can be blocked a priori.

        In a word, United Russia is Russia's main brake.
        From 2008 to 2012, the chairman of EP was Putin.

        On October 3, 2013, at a meeting with EP assets, Putin said:
        “Thank you for your kind words, and for stating the fact that United Russia remains - in fact, as it sounded - a reliable pillar of the state. You understand, this is an extremely important thing.
        Of course, support for the Government is very important, support for the President of a leading political force is very important, but most importantly, the party, which I really created, and not just stood at the originsto be precise, over all the years of its existence it has become a reliable support of the Russian state. "
        http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/19356

        Putin worked with Medvedev at the mayor's office of St. Petersburg, dragged him along to Moscow, appointed him prime minister, and proposed Medvedev's candidacy for the posts of chairman of the United Russia and the president.

        The bills adopted by the EP that worsen the situation of Russian citizens contradict Part 2 of Article 55 of the Constitution, the guarantor of which is the President of the Russian Federation, whose position 11 years from the last 15 years has been held by Putin.
        In order for the bill to become law, the president must sign it, veto and being the guarantor of the constitution, whose position 11 years from the last 15 years has been held by Putin.

        There is no difference between Putin, Medvedev and United Russia - they have common interests and goals.
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      anti-Putin economic bloc.
      13.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Russian President Vladimir Putin praised the government and the Central Bank for acting in times of crisis.

      “I allow myself to say good words to the government of the Russian Federation, the Central Bank. Despite all the difficulties and difficulties that the Russian economy has encountered, our economic management team has demonstrated a high level of responsibility, consistency and consistently achieved results, ”Mr. Putin quoted Interfax from the VTB Capital forum“ Russia is Calling! ” .

      http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2831584
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    Today, the solvency of citizens is falling,

    Yeah .... much further.



    Saving in the country will be significant if the current government and the State Duma are reformed and reduced and their salaries are equalized with all payments from the average plumber in the country. They bred mediocrity and loafers and gave them the levers of governing the country ...
    1. SRC P-15 23 October 2015 08: 30 New
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      Is it worth worrying about such future “retirees?” If the law only affects them and their ilk, the country will only lose from it. On the contrary, I would have sent them to retirement forcibly at age 50 and with an average pension in the country. But to such workers as this grandmother would pay a pension, which will be paid to these pension fund employees and other government officials in the future.
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        On the contrary, I would send them forcibly to retire at 50 years old and with an average pension in the country. 46 years of experience 9976 with a penny can be on BAGAMA with such a pension
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    They will increase, increase, and even under the amicable applause of the slaves, and, oddly enough, this will only increase.
    1. Sling cutter 23 October 2015 15: 16 New
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      Well, yes, yes, and they will add a pension ....
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  • Mera joota 23 October 2015 09: 03 New
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    Yeah .... much further

    Quote: The same Lech
    our native government MEDVEDEVA will present more than one surprise to its people

    Quote: The same Lech
    PUTIN, unfortunately, is not too strong in the economy, but I still hope for his talent to overcome crisis situations with flying colors

    So how does it fit in your mind? Medvedev pursues some sort of independent anti-people policy, and Putin is tied hand and foot mournfully look at it from the outside?
    Who built the vertical of power in Russia for 15 years? Obama or what? Obama appoints Medvedev prime minister? Well, move a little gyrus, tighten the brain so that an answer to the question appears MORE ...
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    There was infa that only civil servants will increase their age - i.e. 3 extra years give them to stay at the helm .. You can (and should) compensate .......
  • Gardamir 23 October 2015 10: 51 New
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    Yeah .... much further.
    Dear Alexei, the words Medvedev and Putin are synonyms.
  • Skif83 23 October 2015 11: 06 New
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    We have become two, three times poorer since last year, and our native government of MEDVEDEV will present one more surprise to its people.
    Here it is, an unpredictable, with surprises, government of liberals.
    Someone is voting for him, or rather, for EP, which is lobbying for various Siluanovs. The result, as they say, on the face!
    Economics is the weakest point in RUSSIA
    , and this is in the richest country in the world (meaning resources)!
    But not so much the economy is weak as the power that allows itself to have such an economy!
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    And who would explain to me what is the use of retirement age? In a world where there is no way to earn money normally young and strong, the efforts of those who are not so young and strong are required? Unemployment is "walking the planet", and to the unemployed ascribe the elderly? What is the trick? Is it possible for an unemployed not to be paid if for some reason the offered job does not suit him? Those. increase the "slavery factor"? If it is economically honest to look at the essence of what is happening, given that money is the equivalent of a product, then inflation is a real excess of the money supply by the quantity of the product. So? So. And what do they do with a product that is not sold, because many people do not have enough money? They strive to destroy it in one way or another, and time destroys it, and even "fashion." And money is not destroyed, although devaluation periodically occurs - the cancellation of zeros from those who themselves do not already know where to plug these zeros. So they are stuffed into "services", which cannot be counted and which more than half are not needed in FIGs, but do you have to pretend that you are paid for the work? Something can be set up / debugged if you throw obviously unnecessary "services" overboard - for example, to inflate a money "air" bubble, consisting of the service staff of the "show-offs" of power and fame, which, in fact, except for a headache for everyone, is like the lower classes and the upper classes do not add anything.
    A headache in the form of a clear and visible inequality of earthly being, for very much relies on "entertainment" and the "backstage" is completely lost, which creates the appearance of a "holiday". Who do we want to fool? Indeed, EVERYONE, first of all, is engaged in self-deception and through this deceives others. And the very first deception - why do some spend time on the opportunity for inactivity for some people to do inactivity, while others spend personal time given from birth to “make life easier for others”, not only doesn’t come, but it’s clearly decreasing? And this is not the beginning of what is perceived internally by everyone as injustice, forcing it to be “illegally” to take what is “bad”, because it also dreams of “living” by the “king”, not realizing that the “king” has its own troubles if he is a true "king", one who is responsible for his people, as for himself.
    But are there many "kings"? Or have universal upbringing and education been shredded to such an extent that it is no longer possible to raise kings or real "fighters of the labor front"? And who can say that the basis of the foundations of any community is precisely the process of upbringing and education, which, if it is connected with pensioners, is only for the family - the cell of any state. Destroying a family through upbringing and education, any state destroys itself. But this understanding is also brought up and formed in the minds of future civil servants, and if this is not the case, then we have what we have — a revolutionary situation where the lower classes do not want and the upper circles cannot.
  • severbob 23 October 2015 14: 45 New
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    it’s not long before the presidential election
    1. Was mammoth 23 October 2015 14: 56 New
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      ... it's time to change the steering

      Who are you suggesting?
    2. Nyrobsky 23 October 2015 16: 30 New
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      it’s not long before the presidential election

      There is no need to change the steering, but the government needs to be thoroughly shaken up.
      Russia rises in the international arena thanks to the policy of GDP, but domestic economic growth is hindered by cubs and do everything possible to rock the situation from the inside, to change independent foreign policy to pro-Western ....
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        but domestic economic growth is being hindered by cubs and doing everything possible to rock the situation from the inside

        as usual, the king is a good bad boyars.
        naive Putin does not even suspect whom he himself has appointed to responsible government posts.
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          naive Putin does not even suspect whom he himself has appointed to responsible government posts.

  • go21zd45few 23 October 2015 16: 59 New
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    This mediocre government plans to reduce the percentage of pension indexation from 12 to 4%,
    due to this savings to raise the salary of state officials. Duma who already receive a salary that does not correspond to their work. This is how our government robbed a disadvantaged category of people in favor of fat-burning officials. Moderate your appetites
    Messrs. ministers and deputies of state. reduce your salaries by at least 25% and there will be significant savings, and stop experimenting with people, otherwise it may end badly for you. Patience of the people is not unlimited.
  • Tatar 174 23 October 2015 06: 33 New
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    @ crap! There is no other word for scolding these reformers and brains. Do not be there to save! Where do you live gentlemen Ulyukaev? You ask us where to save, we will give you hundreds of opportunities! Do not touch us! Announce that in 20 years the retirement age will be raised, then no one will be outraged and everyone will understand. ssuki! Everything, there are no more words ...
    1. GRAY 23 October 2015 06: 38 New
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      Quote: Tartar 174
      Announce that in 20 years the retirement age will be raised, then no one will be outraged and everyone will understand.

      Well, nafig. After 50 it’s already hard to get a job.
      1. Lenin 23 October 2015 07: 00 New
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        Well, apparently the state will nevertheless solve the issue of employment, let’s say the places of the same officials. Rotation laughing
      2. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 07: 56 New
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        Well, nafig. After 50 it’s already hard to get a job.

        You will not believe it, but according to rumors, it is difficult for youth to get a job. You are not talking about digging trenches, but about a highly paid ...
        1. GRAY 23 October 2015 08: 55 New
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          You will not believe it, but according to rumors, it is difficult for youth to get a job.

          So it is rumored that practice shows something else. The young are always more willing to take, if there is a choice of whom to take, they will take the young.
          1. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 09: 40 New
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            The young are always more willing to take, if there is a choice of whom to take, they will take the young.

            Tell this to the director of my daughter, who does not want to take her to work, although she is obliged to do this by law, not having the right to dismiss her before the child turns 3 years old. OBLIGATED to accept for the same position, but here you go ... was in good standing before the decree.

            We have capitalism since 1991 - each for itself.

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          3. Lenin 23 October 2015 10: 29 New
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            I can’t help but supplement, it’s just pained. Even if you are a good specialist with a good Soviet education and experience of more than 10 young people, you may not be hired, such as not promising and they won’t be appointed director with a good salary. As a rule, the director will be young, and as a rule, not an expert, but aplomb and ambition that he knows everything and that everything is so simple, what is there to do and what should he pay for those 10 specialists? Therefore, you will probably be taken as a worker or an engineer, because if the leaders are not professionals, then who will work?
            Below is a good video reflecting the principle of operation of most offices.
            1. pts-m 23 October 2015 14: 37 New
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              something reminiscent of a meeting of the Russian government, is not it.
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                Churkin or Lavrov at the UN.
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            2. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 55 New
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              They may not take you to work, such as not promising, and they won’t definitely put the director with a good salary. As a rule, the director will be young, and as a rule, not an expert, but aplomb and ambition that he knows everything and that everything is so simple, what is there to do and what should he pay for those 10 specialists?

              Life will put everything in its place. There were those during the gold rush who lit a cigarette from a hundred-dollar bill, having become very rich. And where are they all? Many Russian unfortunate businessmen have the brains of the stalls, as they were, they have remained. It’s profitable to buy, profitable to sell, to give less and take more.
              1. Lenin 26 October 2015 18: 45 New
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                Well, as in a joke. There are classmates dvoechnik and excellent student. Graduate: Well, how are you?
                - Nothing, says an excellent student. I work as an engineer, somehow make ends meet, but how are you?
                L-100: I have everything OK, I am a businessman, I buy for 200 rubles, I sell for 2 and I live for these XNUMX percent.
        2. dr. sem 23 October 2015 09: 44 New
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          Not just youth is hard. Businesses stand or go bankrupt. New industries are not opening. Nobody deals with the economy at all. "Sawing" the budget and only ... But petrodollars are not enough. The “sawdust-haulers” got used to the sweet feeder, and in it - the HOLE due to falling prices “per barrel” ... So I don’t want to “cut” the budget (I became skinny), but ALL THE BUDGET, and pensioners - “ trash like not fit into the market "...
        3. fif21 23 October 2015 09: 56 New
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          You won’t believe it, but according to rumors, it’s hard for youth to get a job
          Who wants to work, he gets a job. But you won’t be able to get good money right away, you need work experience, rank. At 60, experienced personnel leave, and there is no one to replace them equally. So they want to exploit specialists to the end.
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          You will not believe it, but according to rumors, it is difficult for youth to get a job. You are not talking about digging trenches, but about a highly paid ...

          Digging trenches is well paid
      3. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 07: 56 New
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        Well, nafig. After 50 it’s already hard to get a job.

        You will not believe it, but according to rumors, it is difficult for youth to get a job. You are not talking about digging trenches, but about a highly paid ...
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        Well, nafig. After 50 it's already hard to get a job

        at 46 it’s almost impossible to get a job ... if only a loader or a carrier .... and they’re already a little old in their specialty ... so there are no hopes for retirement and you need to make your own airbag ..... personally .....
    2. RU-Officer 23 October 2015 07: 45 New
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      There is no other word to scold these reformers ...

      "Tatar 174", dear, do not waste precious nerves! It’s too late to scold them, it’s just right to surround them with scorn and blasphemy everywhere and carefully. negative . From the cynicism of the Russian establishment, it turns inside out: "Dear people! The homeland is in danger! So let us tighten our belts in this harsh year!" - Well, we dragged it on, and YOU ?! belay And then, dear "Tatar 174" - everything is exactly according to your vocabulary. hi
    3. VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 07: 51 New
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      Do not start yourself. This will not help anyone.

      Better read this http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/825512.html Dirty News article. And think about this video.

    4. gispanec 23 October 2015 10: 18 New
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      Announce that in 20 years the retirement age will be raised, then no one will be outraged and everyone will understand. ssuki! Everything, there are no more words ...

      I am outraged .. I am 46 and I can get in 20 years ....
  • parusnik 23 October 2015 06: 34 New
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    the phrase "sleep soundly"... There is one place .. where this phrase is replete with constantly .. Yes, and the place is quiet ...
  • GRAY 23 October 2015 06: 36 New
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    I didn’t even understand who would raise government officials or civil servants? Because civil servants include not only officials (persons working in government bodies), but also those who work in government offices (secretaries, couriers, etc.) Almost all law enforcement officials and military personnel are also civil servants (including military service), as well as civilian personnel of military institutions.
    1. Hon
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      civil servants are not only officials

      not really so. in order to become an official (they do not use this term now), you need to get a class rank, all civil servants pass the exam and get the rank after about six months or a year of work. the rank gives a small increase in salary, after being dismissed he is not deprived and upon returning to services he already is, the rank increases with time. it is believed that when entering the service, those who have the rank have an advantage
      1. GRAY 23 October 2015 12: 39 New
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        not really so. to become an official (

        The janitor at the ministry is also a civil servant.
        1. Hon
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          The janitor at the ministry is also a civil servant.

          no, the janitor is not a public servant.

          Civil servant - a citizen of the Russian Federation who has undertaken obligations to undergo civil service. A civil servant carries out professional service activities for civil service posts in accordance with the act of appointment and with a service contract and receives cash support from the federal budget or the budget of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation.

          The procedure for the appropriation and preservation of class ranks of the federal civil service, the ratio of class ranks of the federal civil service and military and special ranks, class ranks of the law enforcement service are determined by decree of the President of the Russian Federation.

          The State Civil Service of the Russian Federation (hereinafter also referred to as the civil service) is a type of public service representing the professional service activities of citizens of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as citizens) in the posts of the state civil service of the Russian Federation (hereinafter also referred to as civil service posts) to ensure the fulfillment of federal powers state bodies, state bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, persons replacing government posts of the Russian Federation, and persons replacing government posts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
        2. Hon
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          1. Civil service posts are divided into categories and groups.
          2. Civil service posts are divided into the following categories:
          1) heads - positions of heads and deputy heads of state bodies and their structural divisions (hereinafter also referred to as the division), positions of heads and deputy heads of territorial bodies of federal executive bodies and their structural divisions, positions of heads and deputy heads of representative offices of state bodies and their structural divisions replaced for a specified term of office or without limitation of the term of office;
          2) assistants (advisers) - positions established to assist persons holding public positions, heads of state bodies, heads of territorial bodies of federal executive bodies and heads of representations of state bodies in the exercise of their powers and are replaced for a specified period limited by the term of office of these persons or Leaders
          3) specialists - positions established for the professional support of the fulfillment of established tasks and functions by state bodies and replaced without limitation of the term of office;
          4) providing specialists - positions established for organizational, informational, documentary, financial, economic, economic and other support of the activities of state bodies and replaced without limitation of term of office.
          3. Civil service posts are divided into the following groups:
          1) top civil service posts;
          2) the main posts of the civil service;
          3) leading civil service positions;
          4) senior civil service posts;
          5) junior civil service posts.
          4. The posts of the categories "leaders" and "assistants (advisers)" are divided into the highest, main and leading groups of posts of the civil service.
          5. The posts of the category "specialists" are divided into the highest, main, leading and senior groups of civil service posts.
          6. The posts of the category "providing specialists" are divided into the main, leading, senior and junior groups of civil service posts.

          The posts of the federal state civil service are established by federal law or by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, the posts of the state civil service of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation - by laws or other regulatory legal acts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, taking into account the provisions of this Federal Law in order to ensure the execution of the powers of a state body or a person holding a public post .

          Class ranks of the civil service are assigned to civil servants in accordance with the replacement civil service position within the group of civil service posts.
          Civil servants filling the posts of the federal civil service of the junior group are assigned the class rank of civil service - the Secretary of the State Civil Service of the Russian Federation of 1, 2 or 3 class. Civil servants filling the civil service positions of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation are assigned a class civil service rank - Secretary of the State Civil Service of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation of 1, 2 or 3 class.
          1. Was mammoth 23 October 2015 14: 52 New
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            From, it's like!
            And the "poor" Yeltsin fought against privileges! belay Where did they come from? wink
            I am for raising the retirement age above 60 years and even up to 90 years. All high-class officials, from the head of government to the heads of departments of departments, subject to a ban on their previously held positions and compulsory work in low-skilled posts like laborers at a construction site. Away from warm cabinets. When fishing, turma.
            If a serious official should be removed from his post, if he does not comply with the order of the president. What did he say?
            Conclusion: Siluanov and Ulyukanov must be fired. But they won’t get fired. And why?
            1. Was mammoth 23 October 2015 19: 01 New
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              The article is like a guess! The first one went.
              Today, 18: 14
              "The government approved raising the retirement age for officials"
              Rambler
              And even for five years!
              1. atalef 23 October 2015 19: 22 New
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                Government approved retirement age increase for officials "

                Well, the people then for officials never lagged behind laughing
                1. Was mammoth 23 October 2015 19: 43 New
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                  Quote: atalef

                  Well, then the people for officials never lagged behind laughing

                  This is called: "Not by washing, so by skating."
                  Just do not understand. Did the government led by the order bearer officially recognize that officials in Russia live longer than ordinary people? For five years? Do benefits help?
                  And the guarantor is not in the know, either by hearing or not.
                  1. atalef 23 October 2015 19: 53 New
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                    This is called: "Not by washing, so by skating."
                    Just do not understand. No way the government led by the order bearer officially recognized that officials in Russia live longer than ordinary people

                    In general, you understand, they (the officials) have raised the retirement age. to save pension fund money
                    those. throwing away unnecessary fractions and cutting back. in general - they
                    WANT TO SAVE ON OFFICIALS - someone is trying to live in an alternative universe laughing .
                    1. Was mammoth 23 October 2015 20: 29 New
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                      Quote: atalef
                      WANT TO SAVE ON OFFICIALS - someone is trying to live in an alternate laughing universe.

                      From this point of view, I have not considered this topic yet. Plus to you from the heart.
                      But, this is the first step, however. One thing is clear, they will continue to rob.
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        4. Hon
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          Quote: GRAY
          The janitor at the ministry is also a civil servant

          no janitor is a civil servant
          The State Civil Service of the Russian Federation (hereinafter also referred to as the civil service) is a type of public service representing the professional service activities of citizens of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as citizens) in the posts of the state civil service of the Russian Federation (hereinafter also referred to as civil service posts) to ensure the fulfillment of federal powers state bodies, state bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, persons replacing government posts of the Russian Federation, and persons replacing government posts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

          The posts of the federal state civil service are established by federal law or by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, the posts of the state civil service of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation - by laws or other regulatory legal acts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, taking into account the provisions of this Federal Law in order to ensure the execution of the powers of a state body or a person holding a public post .
        5. Army soldier2 23 October 2015 15: 51 New
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          GRAY, it is not. You're wrong. Take a look at the Federal Law "On State Civil Service".
        6. Army soldier2 23 October 2015 15: 51 New
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          GRAY, it is not. You're wrong. Take a look at the Federal Law "On State Civil Service".
    2. provincial 23 October 2015 12: 22 New
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      “Almost all law enforcement officials and military personnel (including military service), as well as civilian personnel of military institutions,” also refer to civil servants, “these people retire according to other laws.
    3. Hon
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      1. Civil service posts are divided into categories and groups.
      2. Civil service posts are divided into the following categories:
      1) heads - positions of heads and deputy heads of state bodies and their structural divisions (hereinafter also referred to as the division), positions of heads and deputy heads of territorial bodies of federal executive bodies and their structural divisions, positions of heads and deputy heads of representative offices of state bodies and their structural divisions replaced for a specified term of office or without limitation of the term of office;
      2) assistants (advisers) - positions established to assist persons holding public positions, heads of state bodies, heads of territorial bodies of federal executive bodies and heads of representations of state bodies in the exercise of their powers and are replaced for a specified period limited by the term of office of these persons or Leaders
      3) specialists - positions established for the professional support of the fulfillment of established tasks and functions by state bodies and replaced without limitation of the term of office;
      4) providing specialists - positions established for organizational, informational, documentary, financial, economic, economic and other support of the activities of state bodies and replaced without limitation of term of office.
      3. Civil service posts are divided into the following groups:
      1) top civil service posts;
      2) the main posts of the civil service;
      3) leading civil service positions;
      4) senior civil service posts;
      5) junior civil service posts.
      4. The posts of the categories "leaders" and "assistants (advisers)" are divided into the highest, main and leading groups of posts of the civil service.
      5. The posts of the category "specialists" are divided into the highest, main, leading and senior groups of civil service posts.
      6. The posts of the category "providing specialists" are divided into the main, leading, senior and junior groups of civil service posts.
  • Aleksandr72 23 October 2015 06: 42 New
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    One of the reasons for raising the retirement age is called the economic aspect - the possibility of the state receiving income tax from a larger number of working citizens for a longer period of time, i.e. the growth of one of the main revenue items of the country's budget, as well as tax from employers. But it seems to me that raising the retirement age will not give the desired effect. It seems to me that the state will be much better and much more efficient to restore order in the labor market, eliminating the possibility for the so-called "gray" hiring, when young workers work for the employer without concluding labor relations with him and, accordingly, payments to the budget both from the workers themselves and the employers. In addition, in Russia a huge number of illegal labor migrants, the so-called migrant workers, not only from Central Asia, but also from the same Ukraine, whose budget, by the way, is significantly replenished by remittances from Ukrainians working in Russia and occupying jobs that, with competent state labor policies, could be occupied by their own Russian citizens. Yes, and quite legal migrant workers send their earned money to their homeland, and do not spend in Russia, therefore these funds, and they believe are considerable, are also lost for the Russian budget. But this is a very complicated and costly process (especially in terms of training new labor personnel in the vocational education system) and I have concerns that the Russian government will never take such a step.
    I have the honor.
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      Well said! Only annoyance, *** don Ulyukaev is not interested! I’m even afraid to assume what keeps these whines away from all their desires?
      He said two years ago - it is necessary to cut social programs and healthcare.
      What is it for them? They have their own social network and their own health care ..... This is so short. Honestly, Ulyukaev personally makes me want, to take a bat ..... And how to eat a jaw ... To beat a hand is dirty.
    2. brn521 23 October 2015 11: 58 New
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      Quote: Aleksandr72
      clean up the labor market

      Forget about such a word, "order" :). I give the situation as an example. The organization pays a quarterly tax on October 4. A little late, but this is usually non-fatal ... was before the reorganization of the local tax. And it doesn’t work out differently, now the economy is really in the ass, sales are falling, but mutual defaults are growing. In general, when collected, then paid. After 2 weeks, the account of this organization is blocked and the burden on the same tax falls on it. It is removed as much. For two weeks, the tax administration did not manage to distribute the received money, so they did not count - the system for exempting tax shortages was forced to work. Plus, the account will be closed until the tax 1. prepares documents for unlocking the account 2. these documents will reach the bank by mail (only by mail and nothing else). Total month during which the organization cannot formally work. By law, all proceeds must be deposited to the account, and all payments withdrawn from the account. And he is blocked. Everything, if this organization works in a white manner, as it should be, it is obvious that this incident, which has become our norm in the last three years, will almost instantly drive it into the coffin. Production will close (albeit small), shops will close, unfulfilled circumstances regarding payments, workers who find themselves on the street with unpaid wage arrears ...
      ... it would be if all flows and all operations in private enterprise occurred according to the rules and under the vigilant control of state structures :).
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      excluding the possibility for the so-called “gray” hiring when young workers work for the employer without entering into an employment relationship with him

      Fine. I give a conditional example. Moscow region. So the minimum wage, which in any case have to show - 12 thousand. The remaining 14 are black. Good salary for our city, by the way. We translate 14 thousand into white. At the expense of whom? At the expense of the employee, naturally. Approximate alignment 1. -13% income = -1820 rubles. 2. -30% pension and medical insurance, since we reduce the basic salary, it turns out 70% / 3 = 23,3% - 3266 rubles. Congratulations, getting out of the shadows has transformed our half-white salary from 24,5 thousand to 19,3 thousand. And that is not all. A worker who lived more or less normally will now be forced to cut his expenses. Will buy even cheaper food and clothes. Will cease to use the car, and most likely will be deregistered and sold. As a result, what the light industry and the service sector could cut off from him will go to the state. We will derive not only this, but all salaries in white. As a result, an employee can easily lose his unfortunate 19 thousand. His company is already adjusting to the economy, cheapening everything that can be cheapened. Instead of meat - soy, starch, palm oil and flavorings with flavor enhancers. And here they set the task - to reduce the cost of production even more, so that rogues with a small salary could afford it. But everything, nowhere else. And our character will generally be on the street. He will go to the employment center, and there he will not even be able to pay benefits, because money for the allowance was collected using the very taxes that now there is no one to collect.
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      2. Nikolay K 23 October 2015 13: 42 New
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        You exaggerate a little, but in the pension legislation there are really a lot of inconsistencies and injustices. Suppose, if the government decided to increase the retirement age, then it should either reduce the amount of contributions to pension funds, or significantly increase the pension. Simple calculations show that when you retire in 63, your work experience will be 40, with an average age of retirement of 13. Those. a person has been working for three years to be retired for a year. In this case, the amount of contributions to the pension fund should be reduced from 28% to 20%, while the average pension should be European 60% of the average salary, i.e. 20 thousand rubles instead of the current 12,5 thousand rubles If this does not happen, then a logical question arises: where is our money.
        1. brn521 23 October 2015 14: 52 New
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          Quote: Nikolai K
          You exaggerate a little

          Nevertheless, I judge based on real experience.
          Quote: Nikolai K
          In this case, the amount of contributions to the pension fund should be reduced from 28% to 20%

          So what is their problem? The money collected is not enough to pay any decent pensions. You can go in two ways. Raise taxes or reduce the number of pensioners. If the reduction in the amount is compensated by a reduction in taxes, it will work. There is another way - to develop the economy and production to such an extent that there is an opportunity to support the entire arriving number of pensioners. But this is a fairy tale from the series "suddenly a magician will fly in a blue helicopter and for free ...", which by the way a lot of people believe.
    3. brn521 23 October 2015 11: 58 New
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      Yes, and quite legal labor migrants send their earned money to their homeland

      At the same time, leaving us 30% of income tax instead of 13%. Plus, they really earned this money because they came to work and earn money. They didn’t cut loot for free in our Duma, and they didn’t shift pieces of paper in warm places in administrations. And further. We have a very serious problem is drunkenness and theft. At the same time, keeping migrant workers by the throat in this regard is much easier than our local ones.
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      Ukrainians working in Russia and occupying jobs that, with competent state labor policy, could be occupied by their own Russian citizens

      These are just good Ukrainians, since they lasted so long. There are still "bad" Ukrainians who happened to be migrant workers by chance. Among them, there are as many indifferent as among Russians. Thump at least as often.
  • Glot 23 October 2015 06: 43 New
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    I would like to still believe that in the Russian state there will still be responsible men from among those very representatives of state authorities who will find more adequate forms and formulas for saving budget funds and filling the state treasury.


    Hope dies last. laughing
  • EvgNik 23 October 2015 06: 57 New
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    This all went. At first they scared the people by raising the retirement age for everyone, and when the people got into it, they said: if you don’t want, don’t, but we are so hardworking, we’ll raise ourselves. Well, why not raise it? Not worked out, go, sitting in easy chairs and riding beautiful cars (at the expense of the people, by the way).
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      This all went.

      Yes, only now this idea became clear .. such a multi-wayway scared people and "punished" officials, my friend was already complaining to me "they couldn’t do it last year .." so I would kick the bastard for 5 more years and maybe out of the office I’ve stepped forward ..
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    Nothing to him (Ulyukaev) hiccups ... The man is clearly not Orthodox, brought up on other foundations .. And there is no concept of the soul, only one cold calculation and the end justifies the means.
  • Lenin 23 October 2015 06: 58 New
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    I think everything is much simpler. Raising the retirement age is an opportunity not to pay a pension or to pay a smaller part of the population. Indeed, not everyone survives to such an age and with such a fun life. hi
    1. Niki 23 October 2015 09: 42 New
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      Especially when Kudrin, who is now chairman of one of the largest non-state pension funds, announces this arch-unnecessary increase in retirement age
  • Anatole Klim 23 October 2015 07: 05 New
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    It turns out that all the Duma factions criticized the Ulyukaev idea.

    Less than a year later, the 2016 State Duma elections will be held and right now the deputies suddenly remember their voters, because you need to save your seats and a place near the feeding trough. I don’t think that something will change dramatically before the election, but after the election, hang on guys, this is where the law-making flight will go.
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      Quote: Anatole Klim
      It turns out that all the Duma factions criticized the Ulyukaev idea.

      Less than a year later, the 2016 State Duma elections will be held and right now the deputies suddenly remember their voters, because you need to save your seats and a place near the feeding trough. I don’t think that something will change dramatically before the election, but after the election, hang on guys, this is where the law-making flight will go.

      That’s why it’s necessary to go to the polls and vote, and it’s better to vote for at least the same communists, LDPR or spros ... At least there should be some kind of counterbalance in the Duma,
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      Less than a year later, the 2016 State Duma elections will be held and right now the deputies suddenly remember their voters, because you need to save your seats and a place near the feeding trough. I don’t think that something will change dramatically before the election, but after the election, hang on guys, this is where the law-making flight will go.
      And behind them are the 2018 elections. wink yes
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        And behind them are the 2018 elections.

        By 2018, they’ll come up with something. Monetization of benefits is also not very popular. especially since we have wizards conjuring results
      2. Anatole Klim 23 October 2015 11: 18 New
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        And behind them are the 2018 elections.

        Those elections will be the election of President Putin, this is a completely different election, they will announce the new May decrees on improving the welfare of workers, the fight against corruption, the development of education and healthcare, increase pensions and salaries, new successes in foreign policy will be achieved and the rating will be as today 90 % Competitors are not visible, everything will be fine. fellow
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  • fa2998 23 October 2015 07: 13 New
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    A purely populist move, a shot into the void! You will ask how old our governors and deputies of the State Duma are, many are well over 60, and no one is planning to retire! MONEY keeps them at work. The treasury would have received more if, in connection with the crisis, they sharply reduced and froze their salaries (enough for them). negative hi
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      Quote: fa2998
      A purely populist move, a shot into the void! You will ask how old our governors and deputies of the State Duma are, many are well over 60, and no one is planning to retire! Recently re-elected, they will sit in chairs until they die.

      That's right. And then they will also say, here, they say, we are working and nothing, everyone needs to be raised to 63-65 years.
    2. Lenin 23 October 2015 10: 43 New
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      Right. Why do they need a beggarly pension and who will need them as pensioners? And in demand with bribes. hi
  • AdekvatNICK 23 October 2015 07: 15 New
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    I generally witnessed the birth of this increase.

    somehow it turned on the TV and there’s a meeting in the Duma on the air and someone from the deputies asked Medvedev to raise the age, they say the payment is good, the work is not dusty and you can work longer, Medvedev neighing and said that there’ll be no problem.
  • Grim Reaper 23 October 2015 07: 26 New
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    If I understand correctly - they will raise the device, (and here IMHO) they themselves do not mind, still sit in bread positions ...
  • Kahlan amnell 23 October 2015 07: 34 New
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    High government officials are an "elite" caste. And, as the classic says, they are terribly far from the people (V. I. Lenin, “In Memory of Herzen”).
    Like any caste, government officials strive for isolation - the current officials will be replaced by their offspring, those by their own. Democratic elections are just tinsel and a screen. True popular thinking seldom comes to power, and unique units come to the highest posts. More such as the former governor of Sakhalin, the former head of the Komi Republic and the like.
    When a cell in the body does not work for the body, but only for itself, it degenerates into a cancerous one. And killing the body - dies itself.
    Nature is wise - any closed system is doomed to degeneration and death. The only pity is that the state often perishes. Unless healthy forces overcome parasitic structures.
  • starshina pv 23 October 2015 07: 40 New
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    if the retirement period is increased, the Russian man will die right next to the machine !!!!
  • Wise Kaa 23 October 2015 07: 51 New
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    I look here to the civil servants a bad attitude develops! I will explain to you that civil servants are not only Generals, Governors, Ministers and other officials. These are, first of all, apparatuses, ordinary working people from the people, mostly altruists, who, working for a low salary, try to work for their country, try to explain to these same oak leaders who bought themselves a place or put them in there by blat, how to work properly and what generally required from them (managers). It turns out an incompetent boss steers a competent specialist, snatching only blows for his work: they will not raise the pay for three years, then they will fill up with a bunch of unnecessary papers, then they will force them to work this way until the weekend night, then they will make it "extreme", then the retirement age will increase. And families need to be fed, like everyone else! But often on such hard workers the country also keeps in all spheres of the country's life.

    I don’t argue that there are “greasy” places among ordinary civil servants, but these places are also worthless or loot, and as a rule these very “first-class leaders” produce them for their friends and relatives.
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      Wise Kaa, you are really wise.
      I myself am in the civil service. working day until 12 hours, Saturdays are usually working.
      Himself not enthusiastic about raising the retirement age. But look, in Russia the retirement age is the lowest in the world, the average life expectancy, thank God, is growing. The question is different. If we raise the retirement age, we must simultaneously create new jobs. Otherwise, an increase in unemployment is inevitable.
      As for the article, the logic of the author is astonishing.
      Quote: " the question arises: where will the savings come from in general, if government officials, who, due to reaching retirement age, were to retire and receive an “old age” pension, will now have to continue to pay bureaucratic salaries from the budget, which, presumably, are significantly higher than the official pension. "
      So if you send him to retirement, you will have to pay both his pension and wages to the one who comes to replace him. Is it really not clear to the author?
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    “This is our parliament, that is, the State Duma, the Federation Council, members of the government, that is, people who are filling government posts - not in the civil service, but in a slightly different direction. We are talking about increasing the retirement age for these categories of citizens to 65 years old."
    It seems like our "servants of the people" rush to the embrasure with their breasts - we will first raise ourselves
    retirement age!
    And if you look from the other side - to sit in the Duma, not to work in the field, you can up to seventy, moreover, with a good salary and a full state. providing ...
    Secondly - you’ll get them fucked retired until 65, it turns out that they will not give way to the young!
    About how they take care of themselves!
  • Vladimir 1964 23 October 2015 08: 05 New
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    We believe that this decision is extremely erroneous, very untimely and will lead to absolutely opposite results from those expected by the Russian government. Today, the solvency of citizens is falling, production volumes are decreasing, and the minister, making such statements, shows his incompetence.

    Excuse me, Dear colleagues, a philosophical thought about Ulyukaev.
    I’m curious about the situation with the ministries. For example, we do not have a Ministry of Civil Aviation, this is understandable, there is no aviation and there is no ministry. But we have a whole Ministry of Economic Development, with a huge staff headed by Ulyukaev, but there is no economic development. This is not clear.

    Such a thought, colleagues. request hi
    1. Gomunkul 23 October 2015 10: 18 New
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      Dear colleagues, allow philosophical thought
      Can I continue it? In the entire modern history of Russia, not a single government in our country has ever resigned. They sit as monuments, but they inspire us with the idea that we don’t have anyone better than them. With this approach, it turns out:
      there is a whole Ministry of Economic Development, with a huge staff headed by Ulyukaev, but there is no economic development.
      hi
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  • Begemot 23 October 2015 08: 08 New
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    Therefore, I recommend reading the article by Vladimir Pavlenko http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1989701.html. Much will fall into place and it will be clear who is who is at our top and why the West will always be afraid and hate Russia. At least it helped me put a variety of thoughts and feelings into a puzzle, especially a comparison with Kushchevka of global liberal ideology.
  • Born in USSR 23 October 2015 08: 10 New
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    To give these figures a minimum salary of the type of 6 thousand to deprive of benefits, stolen in prison, and let them work. People will live well and so will they. Abolish super pensions for deputies, and all on a common basis, including officials. And the main thing is to impose responsibility. Ie instructed, did not why and where the money matters. He stole, confiscation, checking all the relatives on the topic of how the ferrari and the yacht for eleven yards got from an unemployed son or wife. In our country, no one is responsible for anything. Especially officials. Deputies in the Duma this song is separate. They can think of anything but just not what the country needs. I do not argue there are sensible people there, but they are few and they are not allowed to do anything. However, we ourselves choose them. ON YOUR HEAD.
  • Fotoceva62 23 October 2015 08: 27 New
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    Colleagues do not waste your nerves. The next opening of the "overtone window", well, and provocation. Where without it?
    The so-called elite in every possible way excites a non-calm population, like ... you never know what Putin tells you, but we decide ... Yes, apparently the president cannot remove these “enemies of the people” right now for one reason or another. Enemies in every possible way signal the West: ... we are ready to serve you white gentlemen, only V.V.P. help to remove, but we will rest the dissatisfied ... Regarding Medvedev: find his interview about Syria, he is the same enemy and there is no need to be mistaken!
    Ping ... he’s deeply violet who will dump Putin “patriots” or liberals because they all are pinned ... ki. And then there will be an epitaph: “Sleep calmly, dear comrade, the facts have not been confirmed”
    1. Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 17: 15 New
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      Yes, apparently the president cannot remove these "enemies of the people" now for one reason or another
      Aha - can appoint 15 years, but cannot remove wassat

      Miracles are wonderful ...

      I would also like to find out - what allows you to “think” what exactly you cannot and don’t want as a result of the fact that everything that happens meets the interests and goals of the group and class to which Putin himself belongs? smile
  • Nikolay K 23 October 2015 08: 32 New
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    I don’t understand what groans are heard. Healthy peasants gathered, but you won’t find work in 50 years, and indeed we can’t work, we’re tired. But with envy we look at Western pensioners who can afford to travel around the world on retirement. So you already decide what you want: to lie on the old couch and get a beggarly pension, or go to 65 years in the West and live with dignity. The other is not destined.
    1. V.ic 23 October 2015 09: 05 New
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      Quote: Nikolai K
      or scam up to 65 years

      Have you lived to be 65?
      1. Nikolay K 23 October 2015 13: 23 New
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        I have not survived and it’s not a fact that I will survive how fate will turn out. Well, what's the problem? So my money will go to pay pensions to women, because now, by the time they retire, there are about 2,5 times more women than men and they don’t live a pension twice as much. But I prefer to earn old age now, and not count the days until retirement, then to live on beggarly benefits.
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    2. fif21 23 October 2015 10: 20 New
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      Quote: Nikolai K
      So you already decide what you want: to lie on the old couch and get a beggarly pension, or get up to 65 years in the West and live with dignity. The other is not destined.
      Or maybe you need to put things in order in spending budget funds and collecting taxes? How much budget money is stolen? How long will the income tax be 13% for the rich and the poor? Why in the EU, "the rich also cry," I'm talking about taxes. They will put things in order and then they will understand that the money of the Pension Fund is, by and large, a “penny”. However, like “beggarly” pensions.
      1. Nikolay K 23 October 2015 11: 15 New
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        I repeat once again, the pension fund is an EXTRA-budgetary fund, pensions are paid to you from YOUR salary. And the logic here is quite obvious, the less you work and the more time you retire, the less this pension will be. Who does not want to work - sit at home on the couch, we do not have an article for parasitism, but then suck on his paw. And if you want to live with dignity, then you need to work hard and efficiently; there is no other way. We have eaten the Soviet legacy for a long time, but today, by the way, belonging to our descendants, you can’t heal on oil and other natural resources. Yes, the current pension system is ineffective, take at least the fact that many receive officially on 7-10 thousand rubles. (the rest is in envelopes), but they want to be paid a decent pension. And with what means sorry? So raising the retirement age is a natural inevitability, and stop whining about this.
        1. Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 17: 19 New
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          I repeat once again, the pension fund is an EXTRA-budgetary fund, pensions are paid to you from YOUR salary.
          1. Nikolay K 23 October 2015 17: 44 New
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            The fact that we have a pension fund, like most other government agencies, is ineffective, no doubt. For example, he is engaged in such unusual functions as administering fees for the fund itself and the health insurance fund, although we have a special state body, the federal tax service (formerly the Ministry of Taxes and DUTIES). And the system of extrabudgetary pension funds in our country is all through one scammers, because there is no proper control over them, and we have not yet realized what kind of mine was laid there. Nevertheless, if you even divide such a colossal amount of 14 billion rubles for the acquisition of real estate for the Pension Fund for 2 years by the number of pensioners in the country (25 million people), you will receive an increase in pension 23 rubles per month per pensioner, which , of course, does not do weather. Fundamental changes are needed.
            1. Uncle Joe 23 October 2015 18: 11 New
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              The fact that our pension fund, like most other government agencies, works inefficiently, no doubt
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  • Vladimir 23 October 2015 09: 06 New
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    There is no smoke without fire. It was exactly the same in Ukraine, at first they said hints, and then Tigipko came and carried out pension reform, the essence of which was to increase the retirement age.
  • vladimirvn 23 October 2015 09: 37 New
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    The next step on the part of the government will be an alternative for working retirees, work or pension. Today, the cost of labor is lower than in China. The rise in production has not yet been seen, but poverty is already on the threshold, especially for pensioners.
  • the most important 23 October 2015 09: 59 New
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    To solve any problem can not be approached one-sidedly. Not enough money - we will raise the retirement age! Or maybe somehow different try? Maybe it’s too early for us to conduct the World Cup-18? Can steal need "elite" to stop billions? Can "effective managers" in state-owned corporations reduce their appetites and not assign themselves a salary of millions per day? If so smart and irreplaceable let them prove it in business, and not by cutting people's money. It seems to me that the retirement age should generally be floating: officials-65, with a work experience of 40 years, regardless of age, if you raise the retirement age to 62 years, and at the same time it is necessary to significantly increase pensions to the population and cut privileged pensions bureaucrats. With this approach, it will be beneficial to work with the registration of seniority and pay taxes accordingly. Due to this, there will be something to raise pensions.
    1. Nikolay K 23 October 2015 11: 44 New
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      It is quite reasonable to make a floating retirement age, but according to other criteria: the earlier you retire, the less you get paid. If you want - retire in 55 years and get a minimum pension of 5 thousand rubles. If you go to 60 - the pension will be 25% of the average salary, in 65 years - 40%, etc. This is quite logical: the more you work and the less you retire, the higher your pension, let everyone decide for himself.
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        it’s a pity, but not everyone survives this happiness.
  • _KM_ 23 October 2015 10: 53 New
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    It turns out that a handful of bureaucrats would remain at the feeding trough would make the whole country beat to death. It is to death, because the average life expectancy of men in the Russian Federation is 58,5 years.

    And with migrants before me everything was painted. We withdraw money to unfriendly states. At the same time, artificially (!) In a crisis (!) We create jobs for them.

    For example, why pave the capital with tiles, removing asphalt, why at the same time (!) Repair so many underground passages and metro entrances? After all, the same underground passages on papers are faced with completely non-budget materials.

    At the same time, its production is closed. How many factories, factories, research institutes, etc. were in the capital? And now?
  • theodore rasp 23 October 2015 11: 02 New
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    Quote: Hon
    Recently awarded the Order


    This humor is so peculiar. But in fact, the most absurd laws from the presidency of this character were canceled - 0,0 ppm, daylight saving time - this is what is heard, perhaps there are others.
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      This humor is so peculiar. But in fact, the most absurd laws from the presidency of this character were canceled - 0,0 ppm, daylight saving time - this is what is heard, perhaps there are others.

      Well, probably for this order and handed? if humor, then not mine, but Putin, he handed.
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      Summer time is what Medvedev really did. And nothing more! After the cancellation of summer time, in the summer, the dawn begins at 2-30, and the night at 23-00 ... this is complete insanity!
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        In our south, the summer night now begins at 21 p.m., this is insanity, and this is an hour later than it was in the 00s, when time had not yet been pulled back and forth.
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  • _KM_ 23 October 2015 11: 11 New
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    This humor is so peculiar. But in fact, the most absurd laws from the presidency of this character were canceled - 0,0 ppm, daylight saving time - this is what is heard, perhaps there are others.


    Rather, black PR and an effective policy tool. Suppose the retirement age of XX years. M. spoke and proposed to increase it by 20 years. The society was indignant, P. intervened and canceled M.'s initiative, saying that not so much was needed. As a result, the retirement age increased by only 10 years. Profit wink
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    Rather, black PR and an effective policy tool.


    Absolutely agree. At the moment, in my opinion, the "2nd section of the concert by request" is being developed. In the first section, it is irrefutably proved that the liberal Westerner is not able to be the head of state, in the second it will be proved that the head of government, too. Then, and only then, it will be possible to carry out real reforms, and not imitation with an eye to the West.
  • Gardamir 23 October 2015 11: 27 New
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    First robbed the Soviet legacy

    now finish off the surviving Soviet
    1. GraveBezKresta 23 October 2015 11: 43 New
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      Awesome movie, right in the bullseye! In the words of Stirlitz to Müller: “This was what we had to start with!”
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        Quote: Grave without Cross
        Awesome movie, right in the bullseye!
        Who are the "investors"?
  • Nehist 23 October 2015 12: 13 New
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    Well, we’re getting ready to die before retirement! Sooner or later, this law will be adopted. And then either senseless and bloody rebellion is provided. I don’t know what the GDP thinks there, but I don’t believe his promises. So, we won’t raise it here ... Yeah, they’ll probably ask us ... And here it’s not necessary for me to say that our guarantor is not tasteful of this movement! I generally side with the whole world and foreign policy, for the entire foreign policy is a failure without an adequate domestic. Well, now I went for a loaf of bread for 50 rubles! I have the honor.
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    “The level of the age for reaching a well-deserved rest for government officials has been raised - none of them are crying. So it can be extended to other categories of the population ”... All this will happen after the election or when Medvedev becomes a guarantor, he once ruled the country.
  • Tambov Wolf 23 October 2015 12: 26 New
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    What kind of cries are they on the urya-patriotic site. One even shouted that he had been deprived of his supplements for retirement, and that he would break the vest in the front ranks. Urya must be screaming. We are on the right track, gentlemen, comrades, gentlemen. In the Kremlin, tea isn’t stupid, as one gentleman wrote here. Why are you yelling? It is necessary to tear apart the vest to shout that we will all work as one to death, and it is even desirable, as one "comrade" wrote here, not to get "wasted". You typed, you know, cars, "Mercedes", all the yards scored, and even in adolescence Do you want to retire? Yeah, right now. The rulers do not sleep day and night, they think about you, how do you put the Ferrari in the yard, and you tear the throats. It’s a mess. The king will wake up after a covered glade in honor of the order given to DAM for his services to him, he will say: “You’re cheating on the people, wow, I’ll make a decision. Well, what kind of thing is it, you have to humbly wait, rather than tearing your throats for something you’re giving there. Maybe you’ll still require accumulative, ugly ? It has already been contributed to build a brighter future for them. It should be more modest, more modest.
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      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf

      Here you shouted!))))))))))))) laughing
      To paraphrase, you said Peace to the huts (apartments), the war to the putmeds (palaces)!
      briefly and clearly....
  • Reptiloid 23 October 2015 12: 49 New
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    I generally witnessed the birth of this increase.

    somehow it turned on the TV and there’s a meeting in the Duma on the air and someone from the deputies asked Medvedev to raise the age, they say the payment is good, the work is not dusty and you can work longer, Medvedev neighing and said that there’ll be no problem.

    That’s what the speech is about, that there are long-livers in the Duma. Not only that, wages and pensions are awesome.
    LET by any means increase the life expectancy of men !!! And so 59! Medium! If there are long-livers, then there are much more “short-livers”. Having increased the average life of men by 25 years, it makes sense to think about something. You can say that I am already an adult. I saw my father when he was little. I remember my grandfather better .And my uncles, cousins ​​- also left early. No one had bad habits. 2 of my grandfathers drank but lived the longest. Not yet read all the comments.
  • provincial 23 October 2015 12: 51 New
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    interesting and tricky topic, but insignificant for us. As “dad” decides so it will be. Scream, do not scream, the time will come, everything will be openwork for them, and we need to buy boxes by this age - we are extra on this Russian land. As Gaidar-ballast said.
  • Reptiloid 23 October 2015 13: 41 New
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    Quote: Vladimir 1964

    Excuse me, Dear colleagues, a philosophical thought about Ulyukaev.
    I’m curious about the situation with the ministries. For example, we do not have a Ministry of Civil Aviation, this is understandable, there is no aviation and there is no ministry. But we have a whole Ministry of Economic Development, with a huge staff headed by Ulyukaev, but there is no economic development. This is not clear.
    Г
    Such a thought, colleagues. request hi
    Probably should be renamed: "Ministry of Economic Destruction" Then everything will fall into place, well, salaries, respectively, with a sign (-)
  • solidus 23 October 2015 13: 44 New
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    saving for retirees is the last thing.
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    Quote: Nikolai K
    pensions are paid to you from YOUR same salary. And the logic here is quite obvious, the less you work and the more time you retire, the less this pension will be.

    And the fact that the average man dies in Russia in 59,1 doesn’t bother you? Of course, this includes all sorts of deaths, but in reality the man barely survives 60 years. With an increase in the retirement age, we lose our grandfathers-pensioners. Poor Japanese financiers there, men live up to almost 80, and women up to 85 (averaged 82 g.) - and adequately contain! We have a life expectancy of 129 after Bolivia and Guyana. That's where we got ahead of the backward countries, Russia has the income of the poorest and rich-1: 45 (Honduras 1:42). hi
  • Independent 23 October 2015 14: 33 New
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    I don’t understand something about saving. There is money to raise salaries in the State Duma. And they will save on pensions. Senior citizens will work. And the young people who have received education will again look for work beyond the hill. Damn yourself - saving.
  • Ant1773 23 October 2015 14: 52 New
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    Now they have raised it for civil servants, and next year they will pull up the rest.
    Everything is clear. It is said, negotiated by various experts that there is no money for retirement and there is no one to work. Raise, Th there, one FIG especially nobody will ask.
    Well, do not fight with the thieves of state property in fact? It’s easier to squeeze out the people.
  • chunga-changa 23 October 2015 15: 20 New
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    He will cancel pensions, will send to fight.
    To give something to Syria in Gazprom.
  • pts-m 23 October 2015 15: 28 New
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    and we, as students in the 70s, drilled something about retirement. We thought that we would pay retirement from the moment of completion of educational program and up to 45 years, and then plow without retirement. And retirement was then 120 rubles. It’s a shame to remember now.
  • Fotoceva62 23 October 2015 16: 23 New
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    “Nikolai K ... retire at age 55 and get a minimum pension of 5 thousand rubles. ...
    Dear, how old are you? I have been working for 52 years for 36 years, 30 of them in the floating club, and what should I pay a minimum salary when I retire at 55? Incidentally, the conditions are harmful and some do not survive. And they come out with metallurgists and other interesting specialties at 50. People ruin their health, often for a very unbecoming payment, and you offer them to landfill.
    Work, especially in hazardous industries, is not in the office (with all due respect) to wipe your pants, the difference is noticeable especially by the age of 50.
    I read some comments and remember ... when we were young and they carried beautiful nonsense ... (song, I have them). Can restore order in the country? Can we get rid of parasites? And it’s not pensioners, but who? Guess three times?
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    T62 23 October 2015 16: 24 New
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    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Bayonet
    Well, when do we start building? Not in words, but in real.

    under the current government this is impossible


    Under the past authorities it was impossible, under the current it is also not possible. Why do you think that with another power it will be possible?
    The Russian people lived in poverty, they live and, unfortunately, will live. A photo of Moscow yards is not an indicator of a good life, but an indicator of the poor performance of tax and other services. I didn’t see the "dead villages only the one who did not go beyond the third ring.
  • partizan86 23 October 2015 16: 55 New
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    Increase after the election, then another.
    This is like an increase in alcohol and cigarettes, gradually, so that they do not rebel, but get used to it. With a major overhaul, the same infection was introduced.
    As a result, over time, there will remain a population of 50 million, maybe less.
  • hitech 23 October 2015 17: 38 New
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    Sorry for the mat in advance. I read bl ***, I'm here you and OH ****. YOU HAVE BEEN LOST OF BRAINS, URA-LONG ***. PRESENT YOURSELF IN OLD. 60 (!) Years what *** work ??? YES YOU BL *** JAW STANDING TO THIS AGE WILL BE HAVE. WHAT ARE YOU SINGING ABOUT ZAYBA * UY SALARY ?? WHOM DOES IT WORK * AYA? DEPUTY OR TURKEY? OR MAY BE A DOCTOR? OR AT TEACHERS? THAT YOU ARE HIDDEN COVERING A MOLA IN THE VIRGIN KEEPER, YES THERE * IT IS NOT VISIBLE TO THERE THERE FOR A PUTIN'S STACK AND BLACK CAVIAR. GO TO BL *** IN THE STREET AND FOR SIMPLE MUSICS ASK FOR HOW TO LIVE THEM. SHORT DOG WITH YOU, HURRAY-ON-HEAD SICK. THERE IS WHEN YOU ARE 60 YEARS ON YOUR PENSION TO GO, YOU WILL WHILE, THE MOLE IS AT QUIET, AND YOU WILL BE TELL YOU "WORK OLD, UNTIL DIED".
  • KBR109 23 October 2015 19: 54 New
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    In this case, let them introduce the right to euthanasia. There are no pensions. The medicine is precarious. What would even die could be quickly and decently. And let the youth listen and shake their heads - not all the same they can only be treated with patriotism ...
    1. Sling cutter 23 October 2015 19: 59 New
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      In this case, let them introduce the right to euthanasia.

      No! We need to survive these ghouls!
  • Governor 23 October 2015 20: 44 New
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    But what if I do not care about the country's foreign policy and I consider it a completely useless concern of the government?
    What if the situation in the country is much more important to me? Then it turns out that Putin is a traitor worse than a hunchback. After all, sending planes to bomb terrorists is much easier than creating socialism and a just society!
    No jokes, but a rating of 90%. I don’t know who those voters are, but it’s disgusting for me to live with them in the same country.
    1. Nyrobsky 23 October 2015 21: 59 New
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      No jokes, but a rating of 90%. I don’t know who those voters are, but it’s disgusting for me to live with them in the same country.

      The good news is that YOU are not included in the number of 90% and people like you are a minority. Your flock Kasparov, Makarevich, Sobchak, Bykov, Kasyanov, Ponomarev, Latynina and other rabble are already considering options for changing citizenship, because they, like YOU in Russia, do not shine. Is it disgusting to live in this country? Pour into any other to choose from and cover with a seven-color flag, as an option on a durkain under a yellow-black ensign. And here we are somehow going to survive the outcome of "hrenovabomonda and false intelligentsia." Good riddance and fair wind in the ass - a hurricane. hi Without the slightest respect.
  • Lechik2000 24 October 2015 00: 55 New
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    Provocateur (- cap-hatcher general lieutenant colonel sofa, cops pensioners "love" the power -ah ...
    Z.Y. Nyrobsky - your mouth is on the other side ...
  • Lechik2000 24 October 2015 01: 23 New
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    Provocateur (- cap-hatcher general lieutenant colonel sofa, cops pensioners "love" the power -ah ...
    Z.Y. Nyrobsky - your mouth is on the other side ...

    For a coefficient of 0.5 to pension, unlike faces and prosecutors, we love you and we will protect your oil towers ...