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On Monday, the President of South Ossetia, Leonid Tibilov, caused a real sensation. During the meeting in Vladislav Surkov, he announced his readiness to hold a referendum in the republic on the issue of joining Russia. Although the press secretary of the Russian president of the Russian Federation announced the next day that Surkov and Tibilov did not discuss such a delicate subject, questions could not help but remain. Was the statement a test step to probe the international reaction, both official and unofficial? And if so, what conclusions did they reach in Moscow?




Since 1991, two referendums on the status of the republic have already been held in South Ossetia, but the third, if it takes place, will have a special international background. The fact that 10 or 20 years ago was only a local confrontation, of little interest outside the Caucasus, is now becoming a full-fledged front of the global struggle, which automatically raises the stakes to dizzying heights.

Of course, South Ossetia would like to join the Russian Federation a long time ago, unlike Abkhazia, where the idea of ​​national independence was traditionally strong. Does the republic deserve it? Of course yes. And with its many years of struggle for the reunification of the people within one state, and for many other reasons. In the end, even Russian rubles went to South Ossetia long before the 2008 war of the year, not to mention the long-term military presence of Russian military personnel. However, Moscow now cannot act recklessly, given the difficult foreign policy situation.

In general, of course, the referendum does not guarantee its recognition, let alone more decisive steps towards integration. It is enough to remember about what different fates were waited by people's expressions of expression on the one hand in the Crimea, and on the other - in Donetsk and Lugansk. Recognition of a possible referendum in South Ossetia, and especially its inclusion in the Russian Federation, will look extremely unattractive in relation to the four million Russians of Donbass. So, if the idea of ​​a referendum was a purely local initiative, then from Moscow, most likely, they will be asked not to hurry.

The other side of the possible accession of South Ossetia to Russia is the possible reaction of Georgia and the USA. There is no doubt that it will follow and will be very tough. By the end of 2015, Georgia had restored the ground part of its armed forces badly battered in that war. Frankly, the army is now the only branch of the military, since after the 2008 war, the years the Air Force and Navy were abolished. All these years, it has been actively replenished with equipment: Israeli, American, Turkish, and, in fact, Georgian. American money in Georgia was not only created their own armored cars, but also their own BMP and MLRS, although it is still not clear what percentage of domestic components they have and how many such systems are actually in service.

The United States will react differently, and this reaction will obviously be much more serious than in 2008. And the point here is not at all in Georgia, to which nobody in Washington really cares. The only superpower stands before the line beyond which the world hegemon turns only into the “first among equals”, which is absolutely not allowed. After all, the United States did not even face the challenge of the PRC with its powerful economy, but the Russian Federation, which was not taken seriously for two decades. So the appearance in this Transcaucasian republic of the US Marine Corps does not look fantastic. Contrary to popular belief in Russia, it was the Democrats who unleashed most of the American wars of our time. It is a coincidence or not, but on the day after Tibilov’s statement, the destroyer of the U.S. Navy U.S. Porter (USS Porter DDG 78), assigned to the 2nd Atlantic squadron, entered the port of Batumi. fleet.

Of course, even America can be defeated, especially in a local conflict in the region, in which Russia has always been stronger. But this will have to fight for real, leaving talk of "common values". The war is a special environment: either you go to the end and you get everything, or you lose and you lose everything, including your head.

In fact, the United States does not even need to intervene on its own. It is enough for them to push Tbilisi to active actions, and in parallel, Kiev and Chisinau, so that they could stand against the Russian army in Transnistria. Russia can get two wars at once, not counting Syria, where the situation is also far from simple. If we recall that the Russian financial elite is tied to the United States, then we can expect the simultaneous collapse of the national currency under the guise of "market reaction to the start of hostilities." All this will have to be taken into account when developing further actions in the Transcaucasus, where the situation is more tense than ever.

At the moment, the last state to join the Russian Federation is the Republic of Crimea, at the time of its accession, a partially recognized state recognized only by Russia. Seventy years before that, on October 11 of the year 1944, the Tuvinian People's Republic was included in the RSFSR, which was also partly recognized as a state that had diplomatic relations only with the USSR and foreign Mongolia.
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  1. BecmepH
    BecmepH 21 October 2015 06: 24 New
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    Moreover, its inclusion in the Russian Federation will be extremely unsightly in relation to the four million Russian Donbass
    Let's remember how the question was raised in a referendum in the Donbass .. There they voted for INDEPENDENCE. In South Ossetia, the question is about JOINING. There is nothing similar here.
    Is it a coincidence or not, but the day after Tibilov’s statement, the U.S. Navy destroyer entered the port of Batumi
    Yeah, on a transport plane, he was brought to the region, or his speed is hoo ...))) Like a scum dog, this steamboat was spinning near the fence.
    1. orskpdc
      orskpdc 21 October 2015 09: 37 New
      -52
      This is how elections and referenda are made.

      The voting of Crimean deputies for secession from Ukraine in March 2014 was held under pressure from separatists. This was recently announced by the former Defense Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Igor Girkin (Strelkov) on the air of the Russian Internet TV channel Neuromir-TV. Part of the speech According to Girkin, in March 2014 there was no support for the new government in Crimea. In Simferopol, where he was one of the separatist commanders, only the Berkut special unit of the Ukrainian militia supported the separation from Ukraine, the rest of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army "carried out Kiev's orders" and after the annexation of Crimea by Russia left the peninsula. “We forcibly drove Crimean deputies to vote for secession from Ukraine,” Girkin said in an interview.

      In Donetsk and Lugansk, if there were armored personnel carriers of the Russian marines, it would be the same. And in Nikolaev, and Kharkov, and Odessa. In Crimea, this is unambiguous because there was support for the Russian troops, ”Girkin added.
      1. 0255
        0255 21 October 2015 10: 43 New
        +9
        Quote: orskpdc
        This is how elections and referenda are made.

        The voting of Crimean deputies for secession from Ukraine in March 2014 was held under pressure from separatists. This was recently announced by the former Defense Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Igor Girkin (Strelkov) on the air of the Russian Internet TV channel Neuromir-TV. Part of the speech According to Girkin, in March 2014 there was no support for the new government in Crimea. In Simferopol, where he was one of the separatist commanders, only the Berkut special unit of the Ukrainian militia supported the separation from Ukraine, the rest of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army "carried out Kiev's orders" and after the annexation of Crimea by Russia left the peninsula. “We forcibly drove Crimean deputies to vote for secession from Ukraine,” Girkin said in an interview.

        In Donetsk and Lugansk, if there were armored personnel carriers of the Russian marines, it would be the same. And in Nikolaev, and Kharkov, and Odessa. In Crimea, this is unambiguous because there was support for the Russian troops, ”Girkin added.

        Something Strelkov scratches his tongue too much. I begin to doubt its adequacy.
        1. orskpdc
          orskpdc 21 October 2015 11: 52 New
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          Quote: 0255
          Something Strelkov scratches his tongue too much. I begin to doubt its adequacy.

          Girkin in
          2014 - Hero (executed the order of the President of Russia)
          2015 - Crazy (fired)
          2016 -?
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 22 October 2015 01: 35 New
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            First, it is not at all known whose decree he executed. This is not disclosed.
            Secondly, when today it is known that Girkin is crazy and has a wrong opinion, then why are we TODAY telling what he said there?
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      3. Edvagan
        Edvagan 21 October 2015 13: 22 New
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        do not confuse the will of the people with the will of the deputies. Deputies of the Ukrainian Crimea did not want to vote for secession, this is understandable. They are the children of the Ukrainian political system. But the people immediately supported the divorce from Ukraine. And this is the main point.
        1. orskpdc
          orskpdc 21 October 2015 15: 41 New
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          Who asked you and me?
          Sagittarius, who is Putin?
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        1. orskpdc
          orskpdc 21 October 2015 15: 45 New
          -7
          I watched it myself
          “I still pressed the trigger of the war. If our detachment had not crossed the border, in the end everything would have ended, as in Kharkov, as in Odessa. There would be several dozen killed, burned, arrested. And that would be the end. And practically the flywheel of the war, which is still ongoing, launched our squad. We mixed all the cards on the table. All! And from the very beginning, we began to fight seriously: to destroy the sabotage groups of law-abiding people, ”Strelkov said.


          Yes, they feel bad now, and we are using it stealthily.
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      6. orskpdc
        orskpdc 21 October 2015 15: 56 New
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        For what the cons.
        People really don't like wink
        1. Days
          Days 21 October 2015 18: 43 New
          +8
          We have armored personnel carriers standing next to us and are demanding that we put minuses for the truth at gunpoint of the Russian marines (Buryat cavalry?)
          1. nikpwolf
            nikpwolf 21 October 2015 21: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: Dagen
            We have armored personnel carriers standing next to us and are demanding that we put minuses for the truth at gunpoint of the Russian marines (Buryat cavalry?)

            Why are you "shooting" us ?! Well it was said: "Minus and sit quietly!" Is your house on the left or on the right? I am in the second APC in the third column.
            1. orskpdc
              orskpdc 21 October 2015 22: 43 New
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              I lost in tanks, I came here to play.
            2. FM-78
              FM-78 21 October 2015 23: 38 New
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              The Marine is furious.
      7. SIvan
        SIvan 21 October 2015 16: 51 New
        +9

        The voting of Crimean deputies for secession from Ukraine in March 2014 was held under pressure from separatists. This was recently announced by the former Defense Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Igor Girkin (Strelkov) on the air of the Russian Internet TV channel Neuromir-TV. Part of the speech According to Girkin, in March 2014 in the Crimea there was no support for the new government. In Simferopol, where he was one of the separatist commanders, separation from Ukraine was supported only by employees of the special unit of the Ukrainian militia "Berkut", the rest of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army "carried out the orders of Kiev" and after the annexation of Crimea by Russia left the peninsula. “We forcibly drove Crimean deputies to vote for secession from Ukraine,” Girkin said in an interview.


        You're lying brazenly. Strelkov spoke very differently.
        1) It was not about the population, but about the power structures (Ukrainian) and various officials and deputies. The population, of course, supported the accession to Russia, but, as Strelkov said, simply played a secondary role in active actions.
        The fact that the Ukrainian army carried out the orders of Kiev is not surprising. This is the Ukrainian army.
        2) As you know, part of the Ukrainian military in Crimea transferred to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (mainly Crimeans).
        1. orskpdc
          orskpdc 21 October 2015 17: 05 New
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          I quote Strelkov and I'm lying.
          1. Who and when asked the people of Ukraine and Russia?
          1. NyeMoNik70
            NyeMoNik70 21 October 2015 19: 56 New
            +2
            orskpdc come to us in Mordor for permanent residence, at the same time ask the people everything that you see fit.
          2. SIvan
            SIvan 22 October 2015 19: 43 New
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            Quote: orskpdc
            I quote Strelkov and I'm lying.
            1. Who and when asked the people of Ukraine and Russia?

            But you distort Strelkov’s words, therefore you’re lying.
            Quote: orskpdc
            1. Who and when asked the people of Ukraine and Russia?

            1) There was a referendum in Crimea. Did not hear?
            2) Talk to Crimeans, you’ll understand everything.
      8. FM-78
        FM-78 21 October 2015 23: 50 New
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        IN UKRAINE, A NIGHTMARE HAPPENED, AND WE endure your antics.
      9. Siberian
        Siberian 22 October 2015 08: 59 New
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        The secession from Ukraine was supported by the people of Crimea. This is a referendum. And the siloviki, who took the oath to Ukraine and had to not interfere, except for those who finally waited in the wings. Ukraine did not command anything to anyone - it was shown in all news releases. The ukrovoiye waited for Kiev to say the same. Didn't say anything. Reconsider better than interpreting Strelkov. They were not touched out of respect (not for the junta, but for the people). Kiev tore apart its "Berkut", for which they had to serve him. Moreover, since this is a revolution (it doesn’t matter of guiding or shame), then after the revolution the state disintegrates and all subjects re-agree on the structure of the state (future), in what boundaries it will exist, someone agrees, someone leaves (Poland , Finland, who went down after the revolution). This is normal. And with the actions of fascist Kiev, the choice of people to live or not to live in a fascist state is all the more relevant. Yes, if there were Russian troops, the people would gladly support them. Yes, he will support it now, only the time has passed.
        1. orskpdc
          orskpdc 22 October 2015 10: 16 New
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          On February 27, the Crimean parliament, with the support of a spontaneous pro-Russian rally, gathered in a building occupied by unknown armed people and adopted a resolution on holding a republican referendum in the autonomy on improving the status and powers in the autonomous republic of Crimea. 61 of 64 deputies voted for the decision. At a rally in front of the Verkhovna Rada, the referendum decision was greeted with applause.

          The decision was made by force, it is a fact. Where are the opinions of the people?
          1. SIvan
            SIvan 28 October 2015 20: 11 New
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            Where? Himself confused in what you write? fool "At the rally in front of the building of the Verkhovna Rada, the decision of the referendum was met with a standing ovation."
    2. goose
      goose 21 October 2015 12: 10 New
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      The question is strange. In fact, South Ossetia does not want to join Russia, but to North Ossetia, which is part of Russia, with renaming to Ossetia. As an analogue: the reunification of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic, from which Germany was formed, which is now part of the EU.
      1. FM-78
        FM-78 21 October 2015 23: 42 New
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        The picture is nice, I do not argue. Have you talked with Ossetians ???
    3. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 21 October 2015 15: 02 New
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      "... If we remember that the Russian financial elite is tied to the United States, then we can expect a simultaneous collapse of the national currency under the guise of" market reaction to the outbreak of hostilities. "

      Most of all, this "finishes off" the so-called "financial elite"!
      What the hell, sorry? And what, the State Power is no one? Can not at one moment outweigh them or bury them alive, along with their rotten families?
      What are these parallel structures of administrative-state management - "financial elite"?
      Exclusively and only - the State and its only source of power - the Russian people (and not a gang of moral freaks who put themselves above all on the social ladder) - is a single whole organism and a mechanism for self-organization. What the hell are oligarchs, speculative bankers and private banks, outbid parasites and other trash? As long as we tolerate them, together with bureaucratic cosmopolitans of various levels and traitor liberoids and other collaborators, we will not go far. And they should already be ahead of the rest!
      Well, after all, someday they should start to score them!

  2. parusnik
    parusnik 21 October 2015 06: 27 New
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    During a meeting in Vladislav Surkov, he announced his readiness to hold a referendum in the republic on the issue of joining Russia.... They will ... Russia will make a statement that they view the opinion of the South Ossetian people with understanding .. And that’s all .. and there is no need to heat up passion:So the appearance in this Transcaucasian republic of the US Marine Corps does not look fantastic. It is enough for them to push Tbilisi to active actions, and in parallel Kiev and Chisinau, so that they oppose the Russian army in Transnistria. Russia can get two wars at once, not counting Syria.. And then the President of South Ossetia Leonid Tibilov only said that he was ready to hold a referendum in the republic on the issue of joining Russia, and not that they would hold a referendum tomorrow ...
  3. MolGro
    MolGro 21 October 2015 06: 38 New
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    In fact, the United States does not even need to intervene on its own. It is enough for them to push Tbilisi to active actions, and in parallel Kiev and Chisinau, so that they oppose the Russian army in Transnistria. Russia can get two wars at once, not counting Syria, where the situation is also far from simple.
    Well, yes, the entire army perished in Ukraine, the last Buryat tank diving cavalry mottos lost during the heroic retreat of the "heroes" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Debaltseve.
    What nonsense !! In order to roll out the Armed Forces and punch the way to Transnistria, the Crimean group would be enough for the eyes, but I generally keep quiet about Georgia there is a full-fledged military base of 4000 each in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, any movement of Georgians will end faster than last time!
  4. nemec55
    nemec55 21 October 2015 06: 38 New
    +3
    Marmots ???? An extremely interesting person. I wonder what will be its significance in the history of Russia in our time in about 100 years ???
    1. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 21 October 2015 06: 50 New
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      Publicly no significance. Unless, of course, consider the groans of Igor Ivanovich laughing
      I think he is a purely backstage figure.
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 21 October 2015 07: 15 New
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        I think he is a purely backstage figure.

        That's the point, after 100 years he will not be a backstage figure at all; most of his backstage will spill over into the opus of some sort of historian.
        Someone minus you fucked up wassat fool
        1. Vladimyrych
          Vladimyrych 21 October 2015 07: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: nemec55

          Someone minus you fucked up wassat fool

          Not "someone" but someone who piously believes in Girkin's infallibility.
          And us army! laughing
      2. Oman 47
        Oman 47 21 October 2015 08: 41 New
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        Assistant for gray affairs, like Suslov in the Politburo.
      3. Das Boot
        Das Boot 21 October 2015 09: 51 New
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        Quote: Vladimir
        I think he is a purely backstage figure.

        I think any government has such intriguers)
  5. horoh
    horoh 21 October 2015 06: 39 New
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    It is high time to return South Ossetia to Russia !!! I am for!!!
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 21 October 2015 11: 16 New
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      Quote: horoh
      It is high time to return South Ossetia to Russia !!! I am for!!!

      Why do you need it? The status quo is optimal, why is hemorrhoid superfluous, cheers to shout on the couch ???
      You could still be understood if you were an Ossetian ..
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 21 October 2015 07: 04 New
    +4
    Igor, as usual, is on the side of the alarmists. Nobody says that the referendum will be held tomorrow, and Russia will immediately rush to accept the PMR, South Ossetia, and Abkhazia. All this was already, they gradually got out of the situation and for the time being quite adequately. If the border is formal, Russian laws apply in this country and the Russian currency is used (I’m not talking about Transdniestria now), then what difference does a mare have in the crack whose flag flutters over the government house? Puerto Rico is also not part of the United States, although they really want it, but they have almost all the attributes of the American state.
    And yes, we are aware of the fact that the majority of wars on the part of the States were unleashed by the Democrats. That's not news.
  7. sa-ag
    sa-ag 21 October 2015 07: 08 New
    +3
    Transnistria also held a referendum, and on a similar topic, in the SE they can and will be held, if allowed, only there is neither oil, nor gas, nor access to the sea, even if they do not carry out the fact that there will be a continuation, but if it will be interesting situation including and with LDNR so that after A there isn’t be B
  8. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 21 October 2015 07: 14 New
    +1
    It’s welcome to hold a referendum at the initiative of the local leadership, and nobody forbids postponing the issue of joining (in case of convincing referendum results) for a more favorable future (within a reasonable time interval), unambiguously after resolving problems in Ukraine, Syria (with the passage of the hot phase and relative stabilization ) and, if possible, in Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh (the latter two are of course unlikely in the near future, therefore it is desirable). In Syria, with the preservation and strengthening of the current regime, and in Ukraine, it is just the opposite with the change and strengthening of a new, adequate regime oriented pro-Ukrainian.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 21 October 2015 07: 43 New
    +3
    Ossetians are an artificially divided people during the Soviet era and have the right to reunion like the Germans, Koreans. Another thing is that at the moment, the United States and the Allies will again arrange a war in the region.
    For me, a plan for entering Russia should be developed and after a certain time ........... and not jumps like in Crimea, because under exactly the same conditions the Donbass will never become part of Russia.
    1. Oman 47
      Oman 47 21 October 2015 08: 45 New
      +3
      In fact, South Ossetia has been part of the Russian Federation since 2008.
      Legislation can and should be done later.
    2. anip
      anip 21 October 2015 09: 22 New
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      Quote: APASUS
      Ossetians are an artificially divided people during the Soviet era and have the right to reunion like the Germans and Koreans.

      Well yes, it is. So the States can offer two Ossetia to unite with the withdrawal of North Ossetia from Russia under the cries of the reunification of the people.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 21 October 2015 11: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: anip
        So the States can offer two Ossetia to unite with the withdrawal of North Ossetia from Russia under the cries of the reunification of the people.


        (IMHO) Only the Ossetians of the SO and South Ossetia can decide their fate in a general referendum - to unite or leave as it is.
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 October 2015 14: 23 New
        +2
        Well, they can offer, only who asked them?
  10. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 21 October 2015 07: 44 New
    +4
    Trial ball? We recall: Throughout the summer, active work was carried out to strengthen the border of South Ossetia, re-equipment of the contingent located in South Ossetia, and so on trifles, billboards on the border, preparation of the ministries and departments of South Ossetia for full integration into the Russian economic and legal space . Work has been going on for six months now, maybe more, just quietly. And now they decided to voice something. What is this trial ball? However, everything is clear.
    Probably they were waiting for the "partners" to exhaust the sanctions potential? As far as I understand, if the sanctions are toughened further, then you can hit your own people quite painfully. Probably this was expected. By the way! So far, there has been no reaction. Did not notice? Or have I missed? Although you miss such a hell, there will be a yell ... Well, we'll watch.
    PS And, with regard to international recognition, in the case of the Crimea, in my opinion, this does not bother anyone. And here I think the same thing ...
  11. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 21 October 2015 07: 44 New
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    On Monday, the president of South Ossetia, Leonid Tibilov, made a real sensation. During a meeting in Vladislav Surkov, he announced his readiness to hold a referendum in the republic on the issue of joining Russia. Although the press secretary of the Russian president of the Russian Federation the very next day announced that Surkov and Tibilov did not discuss such a sensitive issue, questions could not help but remain.
    - What happened looks more like a PR move on the part of Tibilov, although it is still possible to understand it - the annexation of South Ossetia to Russia will at once solve the economic and political problems for the Ossetians. Having become part of a great Power, a small unrecognized republic, de jure part of Georgia, may not be afraid of another Georgian invasion - the latter are not quite so that after the war of the "Three Eights" to step on the same rake, it is now much more profitable for them to establish any, but only good neighborly relations with Russia. The Georgians have hoped for the USA once. And de facto, South Ossetia is already practically part of the Russian Federation, the Russian ruble circulates in the republic, most (if not all) residents of the republic have Russian citizenship, and finally, a rather powerful Russian military contingent acts as the guarantor of the security of this republic. Something like this.
    I have the honor.
  12. sa-ag
    sa-ag 21 October 2015 08: 01 New
    +3
    "... The other day Igor Plotnitsky in an interview with print media spoke about the high probability of reunification of the LPR with Russia.

    He noted that people are tired of the lawlessness that Ukraine is creating. In addition, everyone sees that in a neighboring country there is peace, stability, and great prospects. Therefore, according to statistics, in the people's republic the number of people wishing to join the Russian Federation has grown from 20% to 60%.


    The head of the republic believes that the desire of the people is most important. Therefore, if the inhabitants of the republic decide to join the Russian Federation, the LPR government will support their initiative and will not interfere with this. "http://politobzor.net/show-68067-glava-lnr-plotnickiy-sdelal-zayavlenie-po-povod
    u-vhozhdeniya-v-sostav-rf.html

    The trend or what?
  13. cniza
    cniza 21 October 2015 08: 11 New
    +3
    The United States is fulfilling its plan to create an instability belt around Russia and the accession of South Africa (right now) will pour water to their mill. There are almost all the citizens of Russia, you need to be patient and choose the right moment (at least after Syria).
    1. orskpdc
      orskpdc 21 October 2015 09: 59 New
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      Yes, the United States is to blame

      The former commander in chief of the armed groups of the DPR Igor Strelkov (Girkin) took responsibility for the hostilities in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine. He stated this in an interview with the newspaper Tomorrow.

      “I still pressed the trigger of the war. If our detachment had not crossed the border, in the end everything would have ended, as in Kharkov, as in Odessa. There would be several dozen killed, burned, arrested. And that would be the end. And practically the flywheel of the war, which is still ongoing, launched our squad. We mixed all the cards on the table. All! And from the very beginning, we began to fight seriously: to destroy the sabotage groups of law-abiding people, ”Strelkov said.
  14. Monetniy
    Monetniy 21 October 2015 08: 33 New
    -10
    New Russia was leaked now as it is necessary to divert attention, the series about Syria is not popular with everyone
  15. anip
    anip 21 October 2015 09: 14 New
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    If we recall that the Russian financial elite is tied to the United States, then we can expect a simultaneous collapse of the national currency under the guise of "market reaction to the outbreak of hostilities."

    But what about Putin, beloved by the Hooray-Putriots, who, according to their cries, "raised-race-with-kalen"? Or is it all again Putin's cleverly crafted "mnogohodovochka", which has been going on for 16 years already?
    And, by the way, maybe now it will finally "reach" the cheers for the utriots, that the collapse of the ruble in December 2014 is only covered up by the screams of official figures about sanctions against the Russian Federation, etc. and so on, although in reality the reason lies elsewhere, namely in the failure of Putin's economy.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 October 2015 12: 29 New
      +4
      They sank ... Everything is gone! Chef! Everything is lost! Plaster is removed, the client leaves ..! The defeatists ... They consider the Rubles ... Shame!
    2. goose
      goose 21 October 2015 14: 21 New
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      Quote: anip
      the collapse of the ruble in December 2014 is only covered by the cries of officials about sanctions against the Russian Federation, etc. etc., although in fact the reason is different, namely the failure of Putin's economy.

      I would say that you are not very educated. Inflation by all governments of the world, without exception, is used to cover state domestic debt, and as a means of limiting wages in order to maintain superprofits of large capital and limiting the independence of wage workers, and their potential influence on the state system. There are separate states in which the use of inflation and banking% is considered a bad thing. but such a minority, they can not be attributed to any country in Europe or both Americas. Inflation of the dollar has reduced its value over 60 years by 56 times, while he no one will hint at calling US policy a failure. The example of South Korea and Japan is even more revealing. And finally, the question of what does Russia have to do with it, what has become special for you?
  16. Denis DV
    Denis DV 21 October 2015 09: 28 New
    +2
    The United States will react differently, and this reaction will obviously be much more serious than in 2008.


    Scarecrow article wassat the author is poorly guided in the situation, and does not know how the US troops are deployed and are fighting in the conditions of the maximum restriction in contingent, rear support, and most importantly, territory. In Georgia they will be targets, no propaganda is needed.

    The reaction will be the same - verbal diarrhea and no more. soldier
  17. tor978
    tor978 21 October 2015 09: 32 New
    -3
    Nakoy we need extra ogloed, the Russian Federation does not have money, and so it will be necessary to feed Ossetia too.
    1. 0255
      0255 21 October 2015 10: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: tor978
      Nakoy we need extra ogloed, the Russian Federation does not have money, and so it will be necessary to feed Ossetia too.

      Do you think now Russia does not support South Ossetia with money?
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 October 2015 12: 25 New
      +1
      Here are specifically for you three Ossetians for ebony! Breadwinner... laughing
    3. FM-78
      FM-78 22 October 2015 00: 12 New
      0
      Are you a stupid person ???
  18. Aleksey888
    Aleksey888 21 October 2015 09: 41 New
    +2
    No, well, if the people (Ossetians) do not mind, why not accept them as a member? The main thing is that the percentage is high, not 60%, but in a big way.
  19. Das Boot
    Das Boot 21 October 2015 10: 00 New
    +1
    Well, they will. Well, most will be in favor. Well, they will take the appeal to Moscow. So what? The State Duma is generally cool about this issue. Of course, one should not expect any inspiration, as with the Crimea. These are completely different-sized processes. Put it on the back burner or gently discourage it. The Kremlin is now raising the degree of tension and trolling Zhorzhiks from the Yankees is not out of hand. The resonance would, of course, be less than with the Crimea, but all sorts of bad mechanisms would certainly be launched.
    1. Stena
      Stena 21 October 2015 11: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Das Boot
      The Kremlin is now raising the degree of tension and trolling the Zhorzhiks from the Yankees is not with their hands. The resonance would, of course, be less than with the Crimea, but, of course, it would launch all sorts of bad mechanisms.

      And then much higher? Only a direct military clash, but no one wants it and will not carry it out. What are the specific mechanisms?
      The article - to put it mildly - just to be. I quote "What 10 or 20 years ago was only a local confrontation, which is of little interest to anyone outside the Caucasus, is now becoming a full-fledged front of the global struggle, which automatically raises the stakes to sky-high heights."
      Nonsense. Now a real economic war is being waged against us, so everything is one here. Moreover, if Russia nevertheless considers itself to be an independent state, it is primarily about its own interests, and not "the global struggle and sky-high heights."
      Further, I quote "The recognition of a possible referendum in South Ossetia, and even more so its inclusion in the Russian Federation, will look extremely unattractive in relation to the four million Russians of Donbass." In the sense of? Who will it look like? In Donetsk and Lugansk there was no referendum on joining Russia, so this is all garbage.
      Further. I quote "The United States will also react differently, and this reaction will obviously be much more serious than in 2008." And how will it be more serious? To send troops means a war with a country with nuclear weapons. That's bullshit. It was to supply weapons and advisers. We were weaker on 08.08.08 and carried the Georgians with their instructors to the "one gate". In Russian this is called cowardice.
      Then I quote "At the moment, the last state in the Russian Federation is the Republic of Crimea." Crimea is not a state.
      Conclusion: You shouldn't be afraid to defend your interests. But you need to consider the benefits and costs. But if the costs exceed the benefits - then say a firm "no".
  20. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 21 October 2015 10: 36 New
    +1
    And you can go to the toilet without the permission of the mattress?
    Ugh! It's disgusting to read and listen.
    Need a referendum? Does the people of Ossetia want this? So you need to carry out and attach!
    And look back at all sorts of criminals, such as the liquid-Saxons - do not respect yourself!
    But who in general will respect such a power, which is afraid of bandits?
    Spit on the Yankersons - this is our patrimony, and let the striped nits sit behind a puddle and are afraid of the big tsunami and the explosion of the Yellow Stone. Because there should be only one policy with them - you won’t sit evenly - there will be no your territory.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 21 October 2015 11: 35 New
      -2
      Quote: Volzhanin
      So you need to carry out and attach!
      And look back at all sorts of criminals, such as the liquid-Saxons - do not respect yourself!

      well, if everything were so simple. As far as I understand, you propose to adopt the style of behavior of these
      Quote: Volzhanin
      hydroglossax
      ? Sharikov categorization is hardly applicable here.
    2. am808s
      am808s 21 October 2015 12: 28 New
      0
      Measure seven times, one cut! Kakraz about this. In Ossetia, now what do they live under foreign occupation? Or who is stopping them from living normally? Of course, there will also be a holiday on their street, everything has its time. In the meantime, you can adapt the laws.
  21. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 21 October 2015 12: 08 New
    0
    Dudaev (Surkov) with us and Putin and Lavrov replaces.
  22. Rigla
    Rigla 21 October 2015 12: 25 New
    0
    Oh, they were frightened right after all ... And we will accept Ossetia and Abkhazia and Transnistria; Everything is in our hands and there is nothing to tremble before any rabble such as Georgians and gypsies from Moldova, instigated by the greatest six Ukrainians.
  23. Roy
    Roy 21 October 2015 12: 39 New
    +1
    But the question is: why did the Kremlin recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but Transnistria and New Russia (DPR and LPR) did not? Although the Russian people in these unrecognized republics not only held a referendum on reunification with Russia, they are striving for this with all their hearts.
  24. AndreyS
    AndreyS 21 October 2015 13: 39 New
    +2
    What an interesting discussion has formed.
    And I think there is only one reason for the announcement of this news - the Georgians have gathered in NATO, and it seems that everything is seriously twisting. So our people decided to voice one of the "horror stories" (the adoption of South Ossetia in the Russian Federation).
    And about the reunification of the people of both Ossetia, you need to ask this people! By the way, Abkhazia has been asking for a long time in the Russian Federation. And if they accept someone, then I think it will be both of these republics!
  25. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 21 October 2015 14: 01 New
    +1
    appearances ... US Marine Corps does not look fiction at all

    it is not necessary to do anything to "appear".
    There is a reason for anyone: a bird on top of the American adviser shatters .. bird migratory? - migratory. Arrived from the north? Who would doubt it - from Russia. Aggression!
    Here is a good reason for "appearing".
    In general, sitting and waiting for a new "argument" to screw up our country is a very tedious task.
    Then it’s better: to breathe - and not to breathe!
  26. kirgudu
    kirgudu 21 October 2015 14: 48 New
    0
    And Glazyev proposed introducing strict regulation in the economy. Then all this "elite" would be empty space.
  27. Northern Fleet
    Northern Fleet 21 October 2015 15: 43 New
    -3
    Another wants to stick to the budget of the Russian Federation
  28. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 21 October 2015 16: 38 New
    +1
    Ossetia let it remain as it is.
    And so the purveyors got tired.
    Name at least one prosperous Caucasian territory. There are no such.
    We have attached them to the Union. All but Azerbaijan with its oil are subsidized territories.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 21 October 2015 21: 19 New
      0
      And do not feed subsidies! Give the production! What they destroyed in the 90s has not yet been established. Adygea. Agricultural republic. Yes, gardens are planted with new technologies. But! there were few large enterprises, and now even fewer, they sold them to private owners in pieces, you won’t get them back! You need a replacement, so build enterprises, damn it! You can’t live one merchant. All programs for the development of the Caucasus were adopted. And Adygea is like a bat. We do not enter the Krasnodar Territory. In the North Caucasus region, too. But we have an embassy in Moscow! Here the Russians also want a referendum: take us to the Krasnodar Territory, we were there, take it back. So no, we are a separate republic. Tell me what to do in this case?
  29. Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 21 October 2015 17: 51 New
    0
    Gentlemen! No one will cancel the sanctions, no one will revise their views on Russia, unless, of course, it starts again - "Boriska for the kingdom!", And, as they say, the war is two Yeltsins. So why not accept? Or look at the bombed cities again? As part of the Russian Federation, it is safer for them, this is clear due to the growing aggressiveness of Georgia, since the degree of integration is already high. This is a moral question. And, I hope, this time, even in the most specific brains, this question will be somewhat more complicated than "Parmesan or 2 million Crimeans."
  30. ra77767
    ra77767 21 October 2015 21: 23 New
    0
    Perfectly !!!