Almaz is developing a new hovercraft

Almaz Central Metallurgical Bureau announced the development of an advance project of a new generation of hovercraft, reports RIA News a message from the head of the marketing department of the enterprise, Dmitry Tsygankov.

Ship project 12322 "Bison"

“We have prepared an initiative study of a hovercraft of a new generation based on the Zubr. If the Zubr, which was built earlier, is a Soviet project, then we are talking about a fundamentally new project. The main power plant will be Russian-made, it is planned to install a new weapon system. The overall look of the project will be more modern, ”said Tsygankov.

“If the Defense Ministry is interested, the TsMKB is ready to propose a project for construction,” he added.

Thanks to their design features, air cushion ships can move both on water and on land. Neither swamps, moats, nor minefields interfere with them. For landing, they can use up to 70% of the total coastline of all seas and oceans.

Help Agency: “The Bison Project 12322 Small Hovercraft is the largest hovercraft in the world. The Bison is capable of transporting three main tank weighing up to 150 tons or 10 armored personnel carriers and 140 landing personnel. ”

Comments

[IAlex]

An advance project? Could not publish this news, because the grandmother for two said about the fate of the project ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Hopefully with rockets? And not only "Caliber" ...
Secretive of course ..!
In general, a powerful project and promising ... Well, God forbid!

[Basarev]

And they could continue to build the Bison, if Khlamin would not push these glorious boats to China ... And with them all the technologies, calling their own development the name of Bison.

[Darkmor]

Hmm. And let's say, theoretically, if you shove "calibers" on it, will they be considered ground-based missiles if the ship is on the ground?

[Couch General]

It will be the same Zubr, but with Russian equipment and name. But is it bad?

[ava09]

Quote: MIKHAN

If the Zubr, which was built earlier, is a Soviet project, then we are talking about a fundamentally new project. The main power plant will be Russian-made, it is planned to install a new weapon system.

It is clearly said a fundamentally new project - it used to be SOVIET, and now RUSSIAN. Previously, the armament was AK 630, and now, most likely Duet. Well, and specifically, at your request, Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. The question is whether the landing craft of the near sea zone need rockets and whether it will be worked with them to swim .-)))

[Russ_Dry]

the ship may be new, and the equipment on it is modern. but we like to use loud words that do not quite fit without thinking about the meaning of the word.

for example, with a significant increase in something (for example, twice), they can say that this something has increased by an order of magnitude (while an order of magnitude is ten times more).

So the question itself: what is in the project fundamentally new? What new principles are used in the ship's project?
Maybe the principle of movement has changed? Now not on an air cushion but on a gravitational one?
Maybe the weapon works according to some other principles? Now it is not powder but say energy?

In general, the ship is new, but not so much as to talk about a fundamentally new.
Which does not negate the need and usefulness of such ships.


Once again: I’m not discussing a ship, but his description.

[gridasov]

The conversation is not about new physical principles. If they call it that. The conversation is about such an arrangement of distribution processes in the engine that it can significantly increase the total energy efficiency of propulsion systems without a proportional increase in fuel consumption. Moreover, many say that there are no engines in Russia. So why not use such new and completely justified principles. This is not a fantasy in kindergarten. These are well-thought-out and technologically resolved issues. Especially very quickly solved, because they do not change the entire technological process of their production.

[Russ_Dry]

then, I think it would be more correct to say completely new rather than brand new

[gridasov]

Exactly! New because of new drawings and new sites. If there is one. But in no case on new technologies and the best performance characteristics.

[Dart2027]

It’s impossible to shove caliber on it, but in general the good news. Whatever you say, but over time, any technique becomes obsolete.

[lelikas]

For landing, they can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans.
What is not a day - then a new pearl - yesterday the destroyers armed with Aegis, today they land troops 70% of the length of the ocean ..... where does the world go?

[War and Peace]

But why Russia ships for landing? will we take ukrov in Odessa?

[GRAY]

Quote: War and Peace

But why Russia ships for landing? will we take ukrov in Odessa?

More recently, the same thing was thought about weapons transports (at the same time selling them to just anyone, including the Americans) and here it’s on you - we redeem conditionally old pelvis from the Turks.
In fact, everything is needed.
And more :-)

[War and Peace]

Quote: GRAY

Quote: War and Peace

But why Russia ships for landing? will we take ukrov in Odessa?

More recently, the same thing was thought about weapons transports (at the same time selling them to just anyone, including the Americans) and here it’s on you - we redeem conditionally old pelvis from the Turks.
In fact, everything is needed.
And more :-)

we don’t buy military, simple bulk carriers, but bulk carriers themselves could build ...

[mav1971]

Quote: war and peace

But why Russia ships for landing? will we take ukrov in Odessa?

Well, for example, in the event of a sudden "something" to make the transfer of troops to the Kuril Islands ...

[gispanec]

Quote: mav1971

Well, for example, in the event of a sudden "something" to make the transfer of troops to the Kuril Islands ...

followed by a hokaido throw

[34 region]

Yeah! Hokkaido! Our population is almost the same with Japan. Only the area of ​​the territory is different.

[gispanec]

Quote: Region 34

Yeah! Hokkaido! Our population is almost the same with Japan. Only the area of ​​the territory is different.

do you know how to read? .. if not then why write the comments? .. troll? .... I repeat again -

Quote: mav1971

in case of sudden "something" make the transfer of troops to the Kuril Islands ...

... the specialist highlighted the word of something ... do you understand its meaning? ... no ... then I explain .... something this is the beginning of the military confrontation with Japan ..... now we go further ... my answer to something is

Quote: gispanec

followed by a hokaido throw

I’ll explain the same to you here .... when something begins and the enemy attacks the Kuril Islands .... our army first frees the Kuril Islands, and then forces Tokyo to peace .... moreover, Mistral and air-cushion landing ships would be very come in handy ..... alles educational program is over ... sit down 2!

[34 region]

Zachem ukrov daragoy! We’ll put two hundred in Cuba and Washington to take the budem daraga!

[venaya]

Quote: IAlex

... the grandmother for two said about the fate of the project ...

It is important to get started. Opportunities for improving projects in the dark. While the technological base is being pulled up, it is still unknown whether this project will be missed into a series or something much more perfect .... We better not know about it yet.

[IAlex]

A preliminary project is not a real-life development project at all. Here they write a bunch of all sorts of clever rubbish without even understanding what an "advance project" is and not knowing this word. And 99% of the VO population even look into Yandex for scrap to find out what it is and to understand that all Wishlist starts with an advance project, but a microscopic proportion of all Wishlist comes to the development of a CD ...

[REXSTORZ]

Here is an example)

[REXSTORZ]

and yet)) an example of new projects on an air cushion)

[REXSTORZ]

And here is Zubrik himself))

[REXSTORZ]

one of the bison))

[Baloo]

Having the production of bison, why do we need minerals? And is this ship able to protect itself from enemy missiles, for example, if an anti-ship missile falls along a ballistic trajectory, or an air bomb?
In any case, as old Napoleon said: a nation that does not feed its army will feed a stranger.

[Alex_Rarog]

Beauties, it’s a pity we have very few of them! I hope the MO order a series, because the Arctic is a great option!

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Beauties, it’s a pity we have very few of them! I hope the MO order a series, because the Arctic is a great option!

It is a pity to disappoint you, Dear Alexander, but it is not intended for operation in the Arctic. Everything according to the technical design, no gag.
Something like this, Dear.

[Maxom75]

They will gobble up any defense budget. Such a miracle burns fuel for 1 nautical mile as a good cruiser, or even more. Unfortunately, in terms of the cost of operation - the effectiveness for landing operations, hovercraft do not justify themselves. Gliders are more effective here (they take more on board).

[Koshak]

Quote: Maxom75

They will gobble up any defense budget. Such a miracle burns fuel for 1 nautical mile as a good cruiser, or even more. Unfortunately, in terms of the cost of operation - the effectiveness for landing operations, hovercraft do not justify themselves. Gliders are more effective here (they take more on board).

With such reasoning and approaches then it is better on galleys.

[Maxom75]

We are not the United States to spend 10 billion on the construction of the ship, which is then called training. It is necessary to balance your budget and needs. That's why it would not hurt us, so large expeditionary vessels, to transport 200-300 units of armored vehicles at a time. We do not have such, but they may be needed for the transfer of military equipment. At least one in each of the fleets. the Americans made them out of bulk carriers.

[Tuzik]

our policy is different, we do not expedite troops to other regions to get oil, but for a quick (!) response, such ships are needed (seizing a bridgehead), and transporting a large amount of iron is a dry cargo ship.

[Baloo]

The glider on the move will not fit on the shore and will not trample further along the bushes and light forests.

[Maxom75]

And how far will the BISON go if the coast is equipped with anti-ship missiles? How many BISONS are needed to compensate for the losses, and the difference in the price of the glider and BISON? The USSR counted and did not begin to develop the program, because it became clear that it was beautiful, cool and very EXPENSIVE!

[Raven1972]

Quote: Maxom75

And how far will the BISON go if the coast is equipped with anti-ship missiles?

And what, the Bison will single-handedly carry out a landing operation ??? Why all the time consider the same Bison or a cruiser or any other type of weaponry as a kind of spherical horse in a vacuum ??? Ask at least the number and type of other ships allocated to ensure the landing operation and what their tasks are, and then broadcast ... The Bison is an integral part of a large system called the Fleet, and not a separately functioning unit ...

[34 region]

Well, war is generally a battle of economies.

[goose]

Gliders are not able to work even with little excitement. And they depend on the state of the coast. Pillows have no such restrictions.

[gridasov]

Obviously, it is always worth talking about the transitional stages of such phenomena as an object simply floats, or floats with a low waterline, floats or already "flies" on hydrofoils. Or flies on the effect of an ekranoplan. And the same processes from the air cushion also have a cumulative and positive role and also a negative one. Therefore, the navigation technology of new modern floating facilities should be based on the possibility of an easy transition from one type of support swimming to another. And this is possible with our propulsion systems. Moreover, we can speak of this already as a technology of movement in the corresponding algorithms. Or not?

[Arktidianets]

So the old Soviet kulman lift, so to speak the old in a new way

[X Y Z]

Only here you cannot raise old, well-deserved shots. These are those who were ready to work for 12 hours and run high-pressure on Sundays to work. And while creating masterpieces.

[nicolay338]

those who were ready to work 12 hours and run on high Sundays to work.

Yes there are such. Not many, not all, but there are, were and will be. Only here will our corrupt system appreciate their work ...

[Shadowcat]

hello idea. Considering that part of the spare parts and components throughout the USSR was scattered in the Bison, and there weren’t any left in Russia ... So there is a need. Well, the fact that some people have already leaked the technology is definitely not necessary.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: ShadowCat

Considering that part of spare parts and components throughout the USSR was scattered in the Bison, and did not remain in Russia

However loud statements "about a fundamentally new project"are not entirely correct. It is just supposed to assemble a ship at Russian facilities with the installation of existing weapons, what is the principle of the project?

[Rader]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: ShadowCat

Considering that part of spare parts and components throughout the USSR was scattered in the Bison, and did not remain in Russia

However loud statements "about a fundamentally new project"are not entirely correct. It’s just supposed to assemble a ship at Russian facilities with the installation of existing weapons, what is the principle project?

Principle all in the name To show that it is not in vain that they eat their bread, there, there are all sorts of "fundamentally new" doing things ... But seriously, the essence is often lost behind loud words. No, well, it's certainly good that a new air-cushioned spacecraft will be created, even though it will be a revised Bison ... But the very presentation of information begins to frankly enrage (with no analogies in the world and conceptual new ones ...). Here in Ukraine, they moved from the creation of equipment and weapons to the creation of machine guns that have no analogues in the world on the basis of AK and the "newest" armored personnel carriers from rusty hulls of the 80s

[34 region]

Principality probably in the territory. Only in his garden. No neighbors (and what they are we all know).

[Nikoha.2010]

It is planned to install a new weapons system.

The armament of the project 12322 "Bison":
140 mm rocket launcher - MS-227 "Fire" - 2;
Igla anti-aircraft missile system - 4;
Artillery complex AK-630M - 2.
What else can add?

[gjv]

Quote: Nikoha.2010

What else can add?

Well, how is it? Of course "Caliber".

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: gjv

Well, how is it? Of course "Caliber".

Why, how and where to "shove" "Caliber"? After all, they are from 6 to 8 meters long. And the ships of the wrong class ... I think that the artillery systems will be updated. IMHO!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Nikoha.2010

Why, how and where to "shove" "Caliber"?

There is such a word - sarcasm

[Baloo]

Why amphibious assault ship caliber? His task, as I understand it, is to support the landing to a depth of 20-30 km. Or am I wrong? Although ... I am not a sailor and generally a civilian, a representative of a purely humane profession.

[Raven1972]

Quote: Balu

Why amphibious assault ship caliber? His task, as I understand it, is to support the landing to a depth of 20-30 km. Or am I wrong?

Well, why are you wrong? Everything else is the task of the support ships, + they’ll clean the landing site in full beforehand ....

[Bayonet]

Quote: gjv

Well, how is it? Of course "Caliber".

And more EW !!!

[Mountain shooter]

This is the correct ship. Sudden landings anywhere along the coast, with heavy weapons, and cheaper than helicopters. It is clear that the most effective is against the “Papuans”, with the appropriate cover of the coast they will still sink on the way.

[Basarev]

The eaglet, they say, was even more effective in this matter ... Current under the ban large ekranoplanes, we build all the walking trifle for the rich on imported engines.

[Maxom75]

not so sudden, it can be seen well in the radar range.

[34 region]

PAPUasy, MOMUasy. But do military consultants eat at VO? As in the Union, on the set of films about the war. Bondarchuk and Mikhalkov obviously would not have a ride. Well, there are still specialists on a voluntary basis. But not all the experts in military matters, damn it!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Region 34

As in the Union, on the set of films about the war. Bondarchuk and Mikhalkov obviously would not have a ride.

In Soviet films about the war, there were also enough blunders - "Urals", ZIL-157 were driving around with might and main, the Yak-18, T-34-85 were beating the enemy at the beginning of the war and plywood "Tigers".

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It is clear that the most effective is against the "Papuans"

This thing just won't reach the "Papuans" It is not intended for long trips!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A sudden landing anywhere in the coast,

So in any? If the coast is gentle, but with a sandy beach, then yes. And if rocky, steep? But there are a lot of such people.

[Nymp]

All right, we restore the former glory of our Armed Forces, and if during the years of the collapse of our country, no one has created analogues, these are their problems.

[Alexander 3]

It probably should have been built yesterday in my opinion.

[Masya masya]

Do not stand still and it pleases!

[remy]

most likely "skegog" type
catamaran base as SVP Bora / Samum
with bottom soft pallets for moving on land
and soft bounding screens in the stern and fore between the keels
in short, the basis of the project 10210 "Bizon"

[remy]

Here, apparently, another more urgent option

[ermolai]

Yes, it is necessary to update the park, and indeed for the Arctic, large and small, with "poplars" and "Iskander" and "Caliber" I think tanks are not very needed in the Arctic, such a "Zubr" itself will be like a tank battalion. And that the container version of "Caliber" was delivered, was disguised as an ice hummock, and "hello" was conveyed at the right time. in the head, it will be at the mattress with naglo-Saxons

[Koshak]

Quote: ermolai

yes, it is necessary to update the park, and indeed the Arctic needs large and small, with "poplars" ...

Why are you all fixated on "poplars"? That "poplar" to Cuba, then "poplar" in the Crimea. Why are they on the landing ship? Turn on your brains. "Poplar" and from Siberia anyone and anywhere will get it. Damn strategists.

[pv1005]

Yes, do not be nervous so respected. These are couch troops, and they always know everything and everything that they say the ultimate truth. Well, at least they think about themselves loved ones.

[Old26]

Quote: MIKHAN

Hopefully with rockets? And not only "Caliber" .... Secretive of course ..!

Do you always see rockets? Especially "Gauges". Read the phrase

“We have prepared an initiative study of a new generation hovercraft based on the Zubr. If the Zubr, which was built earlier, is a Soviet project, then we are talking about a fundamentally new project. The main power plant will be Russian-made, it is planned to install a new weapon system. The overall look of the project will be more modern "

Thanks to the design features, hovercraft can move both on water and on the ground. For them, neither swamps, nor ditches, nor minefields are an obstacle. For landing, they can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans.

Agency reference: “Project 12322 Zubr small amphibious air cushion ships are the largest air cushion ships in the world. "Zubr" is capable of transporting three main tanks weighing up to 150 tons or 10 armored personnel carriers and 140 troops. "

Damn, what is this epidemic? As something, they immediately try to insert "Caliber" into place and out of place. Soon, they will probably try to put "Calibres" on civilian planes and spaceships to the place and out of place

[Bayonet]

Quote: Old26

Like something, they immediately try to insert "Caliber" into place and out of place.

Give "Khibiny" !!!!!!

[slaw14]

Well, finally, production was resumed. "Crimea is ours" - sounds with renewed vigor, it is there that all the specialists in this shipbuilding are registered.

[31rus]

And what does "Zubr" have to do with it, you read the article, a new project, new weapons, Russian engines, further in Russian it says landing, and not rocket, it is generally very bad that we are starting to develop, on an initiative basis, that the Navy does not know what they need ? In my opinion, such ships are simply necessary and different from small-tonnage to large transport and landing

[AIR ZNAK]

For the transfer of mobile groups to protect the islands and their own coast from saboteurs and terrorists in the absence of weather for aviation, a very real vessel

[chunga-changa]

What the journalist was told - "... a new generation of hovercraft based on the Zubr ..."
What the journalist heard - "... we are talking about a fundamentally new project."
As the saying goes - watch your hands. In general, journalists began to shrink something, stopped writing - "having no world analogues."

[reklats34]

AND WHY IT IS IN THE BLACK SEA TO NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT REFUELING ONLY ONE END MAY BE EXTENDED IF THE ENGINES DON'T BURN AT OUR BDK PENSIONERS ARE NEVER REPLACED AND WE ARE NOT FIRST TIME FIRST TIME FIRST TIME.

[Old26]

Quote: ermolai

Yes, it is necessary to update the park, and indeed for the Arctic, large and small, with "poplars" and "Iskander" and "Caliber" I think tanks are not very needed in the Arctic, such a "Zubr" itself will be like a tank battalion. And that the container version of "Caliber" was delivered, was disguised as an ice hummock, and "hello" was conveyed at the right time. in the head, it will be at the mattress with naglo-Saxons

Well, what about without Iskander, Topol and Caliber ???

You know, there is an old joke.
Passengers of a passenger airliner are preparing for take-off. Broadcast Commander:
"Ladies and gentlemen. Please fasten your seat belts before takeoff. Briefly about our liner.
- On the first deck- luggage compartment
- On the second deck - tennis court, basketball court and volleyball court
- On the third deck - football fields
- On the fourth deck - baths: Russian, Turkish, Finnish, Japanese
- On the fifth deck - pools
- On the sixth deck - smoking salons
- On the seventh deck - sleeping compartments
- on the eighth deck - restaurants
- On the ninth deck - economy class seats
- On the tenth deck - first class places
- On the eleventh deck - bars
- On the twelfth deck viewing platforms

And now, dear passengers, please fasten your seat belts and we will try to lift it fuck ... more to the air....

Reminds nothing ??? As someone proposes something, they immediately begin to poke in there. Either "Calibers" for barges, then "Calibers", "Topoli", "Iskander" for landing ships. Damn, this does not remind you of the above, to stick everything in one place? The landing ship should be an amphibious assault, not a rocket ship or something. There will be no fish or meat. What will be your priority task? To deliver and land the troops unharmed or to shoot back who knows whom? By the way? Did you know that the placement of intercontinental missiles on watercraft that are not submarines is prohibited ???

a container with CALIBERS disguised as hummocks - a masterpiece. Who are you going to shoot at such distances, dear, at polar bears?

[jjj]

There is no superfluous support fire during a landing. That's just the range here is excessive. But the melee fire shaft is the most

[roskot]

Need hovercraft? Need. Ready to build? Ready. So what else is needed.
Build and more.

[IAlex]

For people who have taken away the brain from the article, I translate the article from the language of money launderers of the official dough from cheers-patriotic to a normal language understandable to the average person ...

Almaz is developing a business plan for the development of a new hovercraft project


TsMKB Almaz announced the development of a business plan (which will describe the general characteristics, duration and cost of work) of a new generation hovercraft, RIA Novosti reports a message from the head of the marketing department of the enterprise Dmitry Tsygankov.

Ship project 12322 "Bison"

“We are developing a business plan at our own expense, which will determine the general characteristics, duration and cost of work on the development of a project for a hovercraft based on the Zubr base. If the Zubr, which was built earlier, was a Soviet project, then we are talking about the possibility of creating a modernized project by the Russian Federation. In accordance with the business plan, it is assumed that the main power plant will be Russian-made, as well as the installation of a new weapon system, unlike the previous Zubr project, as well as the overall appearance of the future project will be more modern than that of the current Zubr project. " , - said Tsygankov.

“If the business plan is proposed and interesting to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and the Russian Ministry of Defense, in turn, finds the necessary funds for the development of the project, the CMKB is ready to develop TK and create a project for a new hovercraft,” he added.

Thanks to the design features, hovercraft can move both on water and on the ground. For them, neither swamps, nor ditches, nor minefields are an obstacle. For landing, they can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans.

Agency reference: “Project 12322 Zubr small amphibious air cushion ships are the largest air cushion ships in the world. "Zubr" is capable of transporting three main tanks weighing up to 150 tons or 10 armored personnel carriers and 140 troops. "

[lopvlad]

Quote: IAlex

can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans.

it will be more correct here can use up to 70% of the total coastline of all seas and oceans.

[Izotovp]

In fact, such ships are naval armored personnel carriers: to clean the disembarkation zone, disembark, support during disembarkation. All !!! This means that he should have (in my opinion): a near-zone air defense system, an electronic warfare system to combat coastal radar stations, and an art missile system for the landing zone. Everything else, more serious, distant and heavy, will be handled by the "older brothers" from the squadron.
Correct, I will be glad))).

[Old26]

Quote: Izotovp

So it should have (in my opinion): a near-air defense system, electronic warfare for combating coastal radars and an artillery missile for a landing zone.

- SAM? there is. EIGHT MANPADS "Igla"
- Electronic warfare - nafig it is needed on a high-speed landing vehicle. To drown out the radar to show that he is there? Something in recent years "Caliber" and electronic warfare has become unchanged attributes of everything that is possible. Everywhere they try to stick electronic warfare and calibers
- artillery and missile - yes there is. 2 AK-630, and 2 x 22 barrel mounts A-22 "fire" with a reserve of 132 rounds. Here are all the weapons of the Zubr. On the new one, it may change, but unlikely. Armament is placed optimally and there is no point in rebuilding something

[Izotovp]

I mean the radar of coastal art. and rocket batteries, no more.
And MANPADS by modern standards is not enough? Perhaps more appropriate Shell-M?

[Raven1972]

Quote: Izotovp

I mean the radar of coastal art. and rocket batteries, no more.

This is the task of the support ships.

[Izotovp]

Also an option, I do not argue !! But you need to cover harder from the sky.

[DPN]

Russia is a sea power, so it needs all kinds of ships, it’s just that the oligarchs must be appointed chiefs, it’s necessary to share it with the Army and the people.

[Oprychnik]

"For the landing, they can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans."

Explain, please, and this is how they will use that very length.)))
Maybe better 30% wider than 70% longer ????)))

[Izotovp]

This means the length of the coastline, but this incorrectness in the expression of thought is also often depressing (((

[pilot bin-bom]

And when will the EKIP technologies be revived? For the northern territories - just what you need.

[gridasov]

An ancient Eastern wisdom says that "you need to enter a war when you are sure of your victory." New and more effective technique is the key to victory. What kind of effective technique can we talk about when the preliminary project declares a technique based on all the old principles of organizing motion processes? One propulsion and at the same time propulsion system can organize all distribution vectors of air flow movement. Even if these technical solutions are not implemented, then what can be generally talked about in solving key energy processes for ensuring the movement of such ships.

[Anchonsha]

Yes, in fact, this type of ships of the "Zubr" type is needed in the Far East, in the North with good weapons

[Bayonet]

Quote: Anchonsha

Yes, in fact, this type of ships of the "Zubr" type is needed in the Far East, in the North

And against whom will they act in the North - attack the testing ground on Novaya Zemlya or seize the North Pole?

[lopvlad]

Quote: Basarev

And could the Bison continue to build

no, they could not. Engines for the Bison were made in Ukraine in Nikolaev (GP NPKG Zorya - Mashproekt)

In fact, now there is no engine in Russia for a ship, and manufacturing a ship in the old guise is not profitable.

[gridasov]

People who make decisions lack the competence to establish a service that would work out or at least monitor any ideas in the field of creating a new type of engine. But it is obvious that there is no such task - the creation of new engines. In this case, we, not factory developers, would not spend decades announcing our work. And now it is unambiguous that everyone is moving towards the search for such solutions that we have defined, one might say a decade ago. Another thing is that we are constantly moving forward and the depth of the study is more sufficient, but already divorced from reality. We have to underestimate the level of the proposed ideas and their solutions. By the way, on the issue of the same "calibers". They use the same old principles of engine operation. And this is already enough to have priority on modern battlefields. With "our propulsion systems" - so far only ideas, which are fundamentally fundamental and this is enough to remain ideas so far, Russia will acquire what everyone is striving for.

[Rock616]

I still hope that the Zubrs or their further development will receive the right to life and will take a worthy place in the RF Armed Forces.

[Svetlana]

Due to temporary difficulties with the gas turbine units of the Motor-SICH plant, it is possible that the new Bison will be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Then its range will be unlimited.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Svetlana

perhaps the new Bison will be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Then its range will be unlimited.

And a photon engine! Do you have any idea how much a nuclear power plant will weigh comparable to a GTE power? In the best case, God forbid to lift yourself on an "air cushion"!

[Svetlana]

The nuclear power plan is similar to the Mars reactor, but a little more powerful.
A fast neutron nuclear reactor is used.
The heat removal from the core of the nuclear reactor is performed by a liquid coolant - flyb in the first circuit, followed by heat removal in the liquid-helium heat exchanger with helium compressed to 150 atm in the second circuit. A helium turbine is used to spin the generator.
Thermal power of an onboard nuclear reactor of at least 90 MW.
The electrical power of an onboard nuclear power plant with an efficiency of 33% is 30 MW.
The mass of a nuclear reactor with helium heat exchangers - liquid salt (flyb), recuperator, radiation protection is 200 tons.
The total mass of closed-circuit turboelectric generators, air turbocompressors, recuperative valve electric motors for driving air cushion electric fans, horizontal thrust electric fans is 150 tons.
The mass of the structure of the SVP frame is 150 tons.
Total total weight of the design of the SVP with equipment is 500 tons.
Schematic diagram of the MARS reactor: 1 - reactor vessel; 2 - active zone; 3 - salt-compressed helium heat exchangers; 4 - displacer; 5 - lifting section; 6 - compensation tank; 7 - reactor cover

[Bayonet]

Quote: Svetlana

A fast neutron nuclear reactor is used.

And what will happen when a projectile gets into this power plant? It is not surprising, but during the fighting they shoot. When they refused to create aircraft with nuclear power plants, they first of all thought about the consequences of the destruction of the reactor.
PS. By the way, in your calculations you forgot to mention the payload - the ship is a landing ship.

[Svetlana]

It all depends on the size, speed, filling of the shell. If the projectile has a mass of 300 kg, a speed of 3,5 km / s, and a filling of 300 Kt, then there will be a luminous mushroom cloud 10 km high. However, the same cloud will occur if the aforementioned shell does not fall into this power plant, but into an aircraft carrier of the Nimitz type. If you increase the displacement of the SVP from 500 to 650 tons, then there will be a place for the landing.

[Svetlana]

dialogue of a homing warhead with the archangel Gabriel:
I found Nimitz!
-and where is he?
-vaporated ..

[gridasov]

In any case, everyone returns to the same problems. And they, if this is not yet noticeable, are decided only by such developments that we offer. The testing of nuclear installations in any form and on the principles that are used now is completely IMPOSSIBLE. However, the use of radioactive elements in the engine so that these elements increase the potential of various physical processes is completely possible. It’s even necessary!

[Old26]

Quote: Svetlana

Due to temporary difficulties with the gas turbine units of the Motor-SICH plant, it is possible that the new Bison will be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Then its range will be unlimited.

and what will this reactor give? Will it work instead of a gas turbine? Having eaten the entire cargo capacity of the ship?

[Svetlana]

This reactor will give the SVP unlimited range at a good speed exceeding the speed of nuclear submarines. It will not work instead of a gas turbine, but with a gas (helium) turbine. To cool spent helium, a helium-air fan heat exchanger is installed on the exhaust of a gas turbine. In the case of SVP, air cushion fans and / or horizontal draft fans are used in these heat exchangers. The purpose of the ship of course changes - it becomes not landing, but shock. The load corresponding to the new purpose also changes - instead of tanks, the same Caliber is in horizontal containers with hydraulic drives for shifting to an inclined or vertical position. A large carrying capacity for such a load is not required. The cost will probably be cheaper than a submarine with the same load.

[gridasov]

Well, I'm wondering. They seem to be smart people, but tell yourself a lot of "gaps" in the logic of reasoning. Where does the speed of the nuclear submarine from the reactor come from? In any case, you must combine or transform thermal energy and let it be transferred to the coolant to transfer interaction with the external environment. In any case, you need to create a driving force for the object. Therefore, of all the calculated options, our propulsion unit cannot be better. First, the reactor zone that creates the reactive force is inside. No blades outside. There is no cavitation on the blades and the propulsion unit can be located in any part of the submarine. I do not argue that our technology is hardly better for providing acoustic silence than such "static" nuclear generators. But their total weight can be in the hundreds of kilograms. But not in tons.
I am surprised by something else. The use of radioactive materials is a whole range of additional safety measures. The use of a well-known substance, to which the Germans gave priority, creates properties that are much more effective in use than radioactivity. It is obvious. Therefore, for air-independent energy generators, the best substance can not be invented. And with our technology, it’s just perfect for it.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Svetlana

This reactor will give SVP unlimited range

And why does he need "unlimited cruising range" with his seaworthiness? Before the first storm?

[Svetlana]

You will recall that there is no dawn in the tundra in winter. Therefore, it really needs electricity, which can be provided by SVP. The coastline in northern Russia allows SVPs to go ashore and delve into the tundra. A tractor on an SVP trailer can even be pulled onto a gentle mountain. There are no storms with high waves in the tundra. But if you have to carry out combat duty in the open ocean, then due to the high speed of the SVP, it will always be able to get ahead of the impending storm in advance.

[Achtaba1970]

Quote: Izotovp

I mean the radar of coastal art. and rocket batteries, no more.
And MANPADS by modern standards is not enough? Perhaps more appropriate Shell-M?

Probably it makes sense to put "Pantsir" instead of Igla MANPADS and AK-630

[Achtaba1970]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Svetlana

perhaps the new Bison will be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Then its range will be unlimited.

And a photon engine! Do you have any idea how much a nuclear power plant will weigh comparable to a GTE power? In the best case, God forbid to lift yourself on an "air cushion"!

It will be put into near-earth orbit, the paratroopers will be put into suspended animation, and at the right moment, firing Topols, Iskander and Caliber, it will descend and splash down somewhere in the middle of 70% of the length of the oceans and seas.

[Bastion]

Normal idea, all need to be updated !!!