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Almaz is developing a new hovercraft

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Almaz Central Metallurgical Bureau announced the development of an advance project of a new generation of hovercraft, reports RIA News a message from the head of the marketing department of the enterprise, Dmitry Tsygankov.


Almaz is developing a new hovercraft
Ship project 12322 "Bison"

“We have prepared an initiative study of a hovercraft of a new generation based on the Zubr. If the Zubr, which was built earlier, is a Soviet project, then we are talking about a fundamentally new project. The main power plant will be Russian-made, it is planned to install a new weapon system. The overall look of the project will be more modern, ”said Tsygankov.

“If the Defense Ministry is interested, the TsMKB is ready to propose a project for construction,” he added.

Thanks to their design features, air cushion ships can move both on water and on land. Neither swamps, moats, nor minefields interfere with them. For landing, they can use up to 70% of the total coastline of all seas and oceans.

Help Agency: “The Bison Project 12322 Small Hovercraft is the largest hovercraft in the world. The Bison is capable of transporting three main tank weighing up to 150 tons or 10 armored personnel carriers and 140 landing personnel. ”
Photos used:
http://www.almaz.spb.ru/
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  1. IAlex
    IAlex 20 October 2015 18: 35 New
    +4
    An advance project? Could not publish this news, because the grandmother for two said about the fate of the project ...
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      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 20 October 2015 18: 43 New
        12
        С ракетами надеюсь ? И не только "Калибрами"....
        Secretive of course ..!
        In general, a powerful project and promising ... Well, God forbid!
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 20 October 2015 18: 56 New
          14
          And they could continue to build the Bison, if Khlamin would not push these glorious boats to China ... And with them all the technologies, calling their own development the name of Bison.
          1. Darkmor
            Darkmor 21 October 2015 02: 22 New
            0
            Хм. А допустим, теоретически, если на него впихнуть "калибры", будут ли они считаться ракетами наземного базирования, если корабль находится на земле?
            1. Couch General
              Couch General 21 October 2015 10: 27 New
              0
              Это будет тот же "Зубр", но с российским оснащением и названием. Но плохо ли это?
        2. ava09
          ava09 20 October 2015 19: 22 New
          +7
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Если строившийся ранее "Зубр" – это советский проект, то речь идёт о принципиально новом проекте. Главная энергетическая установка будет российского производства, предполагается установка новой системы вооружения.


          It is clearly said a fundamentally new project - it used to be SOVIET, and now RUSSIAN. Previously, the armament was AK 630, and now, most likely Duet. Well, and specifically, at your request, Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. The question is whether the landing craft of the near sea zone need rockets and whether it will be worked with them to swim .-)))
          1. Russ_Dry
            Russ_Dry 21 October 2015 01: 01 New
            +5
            the ship may be new, and the equipment on it is modern. but we like to use loud words that do not quite fit without thinking about the meaning of the word.

            for example, with a significant increase in something (for example, twice), they can say that this something has increased by an order of magnitude (while an order of magnitude is ten times more).

            So the question itself: what is in the project fundamentally new? What new principles are used in the ship's project?
            Maybe the principle of movement has changed? Now not on an air cushion but on a gravitational one?
            Maybe the weapon works according to some other principles? Now it is not powder but say energy?

            In general, the ship is new, but not so much as to talk about a fundamentally new.
            Which does not negate the need and usefulness of such ships.


            Once again: I’m not discussing a ship, but his description.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 21 October 2015 10: 49 New
              +1
              The conversation is not about new physical principles. If they call it that. The conversation is about such an arrangement of distribution processes in the engine that it can significantly increase the total energy efficiency of propulsion systems without a proportional increase in fuel consumption. Moreover, many say that there are no engines in Russia. So why not use such new and completely justified principles. This is not a fantasy in kindergarten. These are well-thought-out and technologically resolved issues. Especially very quickly solved, because they do not change the entire technological process of their production.
              1. Russ_Dry
                Russ_Dry 21 October 2015 15: 12 New
                0
                then, I think it would be more correct to say completely new rather than brand new
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 21 October 2015 15: 17 New
                  0
                  Exactly! New because of new drawings and new sites. If there is one. But in no case on new technologies and the best performance characteristics.
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      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 20 October 2015 18: 54 New
        +3
        It’s impossible to shove caliber on it, but in general the good news. Whatever you say, but over time, any technique becomes obsolete.
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 20 October 2015 20: 34 New
        +9
        For landing, they can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans.
        What is not a day - then a new pearl - yesterday the destroyers armed with Aegis, today they land troops 70% of the length of the ocean ..... where does the world go? laughing
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 20 October 2015 18: 47 New
      +1
      But why Russia ships for landing? will we take ukrov in Odessa?
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 20 October 2015 19: 01 New
        +8
        Quote: War and Peace
        But why Russia ships for landing? will we take ukrov in Odessa?

        More recently, the same thing was thought about weapons transports (at the same time selling them to just anyone, including the Americans) and here it’s on you - we redeem conditionally old pelvis from the Turks.
        In fact, everything is needed.
        And more :-)
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 21 October 2015 13: 56 New
          0
          Quote: GRAY
          Quote: War and Peace
          But why Russia ships for landing? will we take ukrov in Odessa?

          More recently, the same thing was thought about weapons transports (at the same time selling them to just anyone, including the Americans) and here it’s on you - we redeem conditionally old pelvis from the Turks.
          In fact, everything is needed.
          And more :-)


          we don’t buy military, simple bulk carriers, but bulk carriers themselves could build ...
      2. mav1971
        mav1971 20 October 2015 19: 15 New
        11
        Quote: war and peace
        But why Russia ships for landing? will we take ukrov in Odessa?


        Ну например в случае внезапного "кое-чего" сделать переброску войск на курильские острова...
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 20 October 2015 19: 24 New
          +6
          Quote: mav1971
          Ну например в случае внезапного "кое-чего" сделать переброску войск на курильские острова...

          followed by a hokaido throw
          1. 34 region
            34 region 20 October 2015 21: 25 New
            0
            Yeah! Hokkaido! Our population is almost the same with Japan. Only the area of ​​the territory is different.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 21 October 2015 07: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Region 34
              Yeah! Hokkaido! Our population is almost the same with Japan. Only the area of ​​the territory is different.

              do you know how to read? .. if not then why write the comments? .. troll? .... I repeat again -
              Quote: mav1971
              in case of sudden "кое-чего" make the transfer of troops to the Kuril Islands ...
              ... the specialist highlighted the word of something ... do you understand its meaning? ... no ... then I explain .... something this is the beginning of the military confrontation with Japan ..... now we go further ... my answer to something is
              Quote: gispanec
              followed by a hokaido throw

              I’ll explain the same to you here .... when something begins and the enemy attacks the Kuril Islands .... our army first frees the Kuril Islands, and then forces Tokyo to peace .... moreover, Mistral and air-cushion landing ships would be very come in handy ..... alles educational program is over ... sit down 2!
      3. 34 region
        34 region 20 October 2015 21: 23 New
        +3
        Zachem ukrov daragoy! We’ll put two hundred in Cuba and Washington to take the budem daraga!
    3. venaya
      venaya 20 October 2015 19: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: IAlex
      ... the grandmother for two said about the fate of the project ...

      It is important to get started. Opportunities for improving projects in the dark. While the technological base is being pulled up, it is still unknown whether this project will be missed into a series or something much more perfect .... We better not know about it yet.
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 20 October 2015 19: 32 New
        +2
        Аванпроект - это вообще не реально реализуемый проект по разработке. Тут пишут кучу всякого умного мусора даже не понимая, что такое "аванпроект" и не зная этого слова. А 99% населению ВО даже в лом заглянуть в Яндекс чтобы узнать, что это и понять, что все хотелки начинаются с аванпроекта, но до разработки КД из всех хотелок доходит микроскопическая доля...
    4. REXSTORZ
      REXSTORZ 20 October 2015 19: 15 New
      +2
      Here is an example)
      1. REXSTORZ
        REXSTORZ 20 October 2015 19: 17 New
        0
        and yet)) an example of new projects on an air cushion)
        1. REXSTORZ
          REXSTORZ 20 October 2015 19: 22 New
          +1
          And here is Zubrik himself))
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          2. REXSTORZ
            REXSTORZ 20 October 2015 19: 32 New
            +5
            one of the bison))
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 20 October 2015 20: 48 New
              0
              Having the production of bison, why do we need minerals? And is this ship able to protect itself from enemy missiles, for example, if an anti-ship missile falls along a ballistic trajectory, or an air bomb?
              In any case, as old Napoleon said: a nation that does not feed its army will feed a stranger. hi
  2. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 20 October 2015 18: 36 New
    +1
    Beauties, it’s a pity we have very few of them! I hope the MO order a series, because the Arctic is a great option!
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 20 October 2015 19: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Beauties, it’s a pity we have very few of them! I hope the MO order a series, because the Arctic is a great option!

      It is a pity to disappoint you, Dear Alexander, but it is not intended for operation in the Arctic. Everything according to the technical design, no gag.
      Something like this, Dear. hi
    2. Maxom75
      Maxom75 20 October 2015 19: 55 New
      -4
      They will gobble up any defense budget. Such a miracle burns fuel for 1 nautical mile as a good cruiser, or even more. Unfortunately, in terms of the cost of operation - the effectiveness for landing operations, hovercraft do not justify themselves. Gliders are more effective here (they take more on board).
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 20 October 2015 20: 03 New
        +9
        Quote: Maxom75
        They will gobble up any defense budget. Such a miracle burns fuel for 1 nautical mile as a good cruiser, or even more. Unfortunately, in terms of the cost of operation - the effectiveness for landing operations, hovercraft do not justify themselves. Gliders are more effective here (they take more on board).

        With such reasoning and approaches then it is better on galleys.
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 20 October 2015 21: 05 New
          +3
          We are not the United States to spend 10 billion on the construction of the ship, which is then called training. It is necessary to balance your budget and needs. That's why it would not hurt us, so large expeditionary vessels, to transport 200-300 units of armored vehicles at a time. We do not have such, but they may be needed for the transfer of military equipment. At least one in each of the fleets. the Americans made them out of bulk carriers.
          1. Tuzik
            Tuzik 20 October 2015 21: 30 New
            +1
            our policy is different, we do not expedite troops to other regions to get oil, but for a quick (!) response, such ships are needed (seizing a bridgehead), and transporting a large amount of iron is a dry cargo ship.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 20 October 2015 20: 49 New
        +7
        The glider on the move will not fit on the shore and will not trample further along the bushes and light forests. hi
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 20 October 2015 21: 16 New
          -3
          And how far will the BISON go if the coast is equipped with anti-ship missiles? How many BISONS are needed to compensate for the losses, and the difference in the price of the glider and BISON? The USSR counted and did not begin to develop the program, because it became clear that it was beautiful, cool and very EXPENSIVE!
          1. Raven1972
            Raven1972 20 October 2015 23: 12 New
            +5
            Quote: Maxom75
            And how far will the BISON go if the coast is equipped with anti-ship missiles?

            And what, the Bison will single-handedly carry out a landing operation ??? Why all the time consider the same Bison or a cruiser or any other type of weaponry as a kind of spherical horse in a vacuum ??? Ask at least the number and type of other ships allocated to ensure the landing operation and what their tasks are, and then broadcast ... The Bison is an integral part of a large system called the Fleet, and not a separately functioning unit ...
      3. 34 region
        34 region 20 October 2015 21: 34 New
        +1
        Well, war is generally a battle of economies.
      4. goose
        goose 21 October 2015 11: 14 New
        0
        Gliders are not able to work even with little excitement. And they depend on the state of the coast. Pillows have no such restrictions.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 21 October 2015 11: 24 New
          0
          Очевидно , что всегда стоит говорить о переходных этапах таких явлений , как объект просто плывет , либо плывет с низким уровнем ватерлинии, плывет или уже "летит" на подводных крыльях. Или летит на эффекте экраноплана. И те же процессы от воздушной подушки , так же имеют совокупную и позитивную роль и так же негативную. Поэтому технология плавания новых современных плав- средств должна опираться на возможность легкого перехода от одного вида опорного плавания к другому. И это возможно на наших двигательно-движительных установках .К тому же об этом можно говорить уже как о технологии перемещения в соответствующих алгоритмах . Или не так?
  3. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 20 October 2015 18: 37 New
    +5
    So the old Soviet kulman lift, so to speak the old in a new way
    1. X Y Z
      X Y Z 20 October 2015 18: 45 New
      10
      Only here you cannot raise old, well-deserved shots. These are those who were ready to work for 12 hours and run high-pressure on Sundays to work. And while creating masterpieces.
      1. nicolay338
        nicolay338 21 October 2015 09: 00 New
        +1
        those who were ready to work 12 hours and run on high Sundays to work.

        Yes there are such. Not many, not all, but there are, were and will be. Only here will our corrupt system appreciate their work ... crying
  4. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 October 2015 18: 41 New
    +5
    hello idea. Considering that part of the spare parts and components throughout the USSR was scattered in the Bison, and there weren’t any left in Russia ... So there is a need. Well, the fact that some people have already leaked the technology is definitely not necessary.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 20 October 2015 18: 48 New
      +7
      Quote: ShadowCat
      Considering that part of spare parts and components throughout the USSR was scattered in the Bison, and did not remain in Russia

      However loud statements "о принципиально новом проекте"are not entirely correct. It is just supposed to assemble a ship at Russian facilities with the installation of existing weapons, what is the principle of the project? request
      1. Rader
        Rader 20 October 2015 20: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: ShadowCat
        Considering that part of spare parts and components throughout the USSR was scattered in the Bison, and did not remain in Russia

        However loud statements "о принципиально новом проекте"are not entirely correct. It’s just supposed to assemble a ship at Russian facilities with the installation of existing weapons, what is the principle project? request

        Principle all in the name laughing Что бы показать, что не зря свой хлеб едят, вон, там всякие "принципиально новые" делают штуки... smile А если серьезно, то за громкими словами часто теряется суть. Нет ну это конечно хорошо, что будет создан новый МДК на воздушной подушке, хоть и будет это переработанный Зубр... Но вот сама подача информации начинает откровенно бесить(с неимеющиханалоговвмире и концептуальноновых...). Вот на Украинне, перешли от создания техники и оружия к созданию неимеющиханалоговвмире автоматов на базе АК и "новейших" БТР из ржавых корпусов 80-х
      2. 34 region
        34 region 20 October 2015 21: 38 New
        0
        Principality probably in the territory. Only in his garden. No neighbors (and what they are we all know).
  5. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 20 October 2015 18: 42 New
    +4
    It is planned to install a new weapons system.

    The armament of the project 12322 "Bison":
    140 mm rocket launcher - MS-227 "Fire" - 2;
    Igla anti-aircraft missile system - 4;
    Artillery complex AK-630M - 2.
    What else can add?
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    2. gjv
      gjv 20 October 2015 18: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      What else can add?

      Ну как же? Конечно "Калибр".
      1. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 20 October 2015 19: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: gjv
        Ну как же? Конечно "Калибр".

        Да вот, как и куда "запихать" "Калибр"? Они ведь от 6 до 8 метров в длину. requestAnd the ships of the wrong class ... I think that the artillery systems will be updated. IMHO!
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 October 2015 06: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          Да вот, как и куда "запихать" "Калибр"?

          There is such a word - sarcasm smile
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 20 October 2015 20: 51 New
        +2
        Why amphibious assault ship caliber? His task, as I understand it, is to support the landing to a depth of 20-30 km. Or am I wrong? Although ... I am not a sailor and generally a civilian, a representative of a purely humane profession.
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 20 October 2015 23: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Balu
          Why amphibious assault ship caliber? His task, as I understand it, is to support the landing to a depth of 20-30 km. Or am I wrong?

          Well, why are you wrong? Everything else is the task of the support ships, + they’ll clean the landing site in full beforehand .... hi
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 October 2015 06: 40 New
        0
        Quote: gjv
        Ну как же? Конечно "Калибр".

        And more EW !!!
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 October 2015 18: 43 New
    +5
    Это правильный корабль. Внезапная высадка в любой точке побережья, да ещё с тяжёлым вооружением, и дешевле, чем на вертолётах. Понятно, что эффективнее всего - против "папуасов", при соответствующем прикрытии побережья потопят все ещё на подходе.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 20 October 2015 19: 19 New
      +2
      The eaglet, they say, was even more effective in this matter ... Current under the ban large ekranoplanes, we build all the walking trifle for the rich on imported engines.
    2. Maxom75
      Maxom75 20 October 2015 19: 56 New
      +1
      not so sudden, it can be seen well in the radar range.
    3. 34 region
      34 region 20 October 2015 21: 46 New
      +2
      PAPUasy, MOMUasy. But do military consultants eat at VO? As in the Union, on the set of films about the war. Bondarchuk and Mikhalkov obviously would not have a ride. Well, there are still specialists on a voluntary basis. But not all the experts in military matters, damn it!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 October 2015 07: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Region 34
        As in the Union, on the set of films about the war. Bondarchuk and Mikhalkov obviously would not have a ride.

        В советских фильмах о войне, тоже ляпов хватало - вовсю разъезжают "Уралы", ЗиЛ-157, бьют врага Як-18, Т-34-85 в начале войны и фанерные "Тигры". wink
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 October 2015 06: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Понятно, что эффективнее всего - против "папуасов"

      До "папуасов" эта штука просто не дойдет smile It is not intended for long trips!
    5. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 October 2015 12: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      A sudden landing anywhere in the coast,

      So in any? If the coast is gentle, but with a sandy beach, then yes. And if rocky, steep? But there are a lot of such people. hi
  7. Nymp
    Nymp 20 October 2015 18: 46 New
    +1
    All right, we restore the former glory of our Armed Forces, and if during the years of the collapse of our country, no one has created analogues, these are their problems.
  8. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 20 October 2015 18: 49 New
    0
    It probably should have been built yesterday in my opinion.
  9. Masya masya
    Masya masya 20 October 2015 18: 49 New
    +3
    Do not stand still and it pleases!
  10. remy
    remy 20 October 2015 18: 50 New
    +1
    скорее всего "скегогова" типа
    catamaran base as SVP Bora / Samum
    with bottom soft pallets for moving on land
    and soft bounding screens in the stern and fore between the keels
    короче, основа проект 10210 "Бизон"
    1. remy
      remy 20 October 2015 20: 49 New
      +2
      Here, apparently, another more urgent option
  11. ermolai
    ermolai 20 October 2015 18: 53 New
    -1
    да, надо надо обновить парк, и действительно для Арктики нужны, большие и малые, с "тополями" и "Искандерами" и "Калибрами" думаю в Арктике танки не очень нужны, такой "Зубр" сам как танковый батальон будет. А что развез контейнерный вариант "Калибра" замаскировали под торос льда, и "привет" передали в нужный час. во головняк то будет у матрасни с наглосаксами
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 20 October 2015 20: 13 New
      +8
      Quote: ermolai
      да, надо надо обновить парк, и действительно для Арктики нужны, большие и малые, с "тополями" ...

      Да что вы все на "тополях" зациклились? То "тополя" на Кубу, то "тополя" в Крым. Нах они на десантном корабле? Мозги включи. "Тополь" и из Сибири кого угодно и где угодно достанет. Стратеги, блин.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 20 October 2015 20: 54 New
        +1
        Yes, do not be nervous so respected. hi These are couch troops, and they always know everything and everything that they say the ultimate truth. Well, at least they think about themselves loved ones. fool
  12. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2015 18: 55 New
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    С ракетами надеюсь ? И не только "Калибрами"....Скрытными конечно..!

    Вам всегда ракеты мерещатся? Особенно "Калибры". Прочитать фразу

    «Нами подготовлена инициативная проработка корабля на воздушной подушке нового поколения на базе "Зубра". Если строившийся ранее "Зубр" – это советский проект, то речь идёт о принципиально новом проекте. Главная энергетическая установка будет российского производства, предполагается установка новой системы вооружения. Общий облик проекта будет более современным»


    Thanks to the design features, hovercraft can move both on water and on the ground. For them, neither swamps, nor ditches, nor minefields are an obstacle. For landing, they can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans.


    Справка агентства: «Малые десантные корабли на воздушной подушке проекта 12322 "Зубр" являются самыми большими кораблями на воздушной подушке в мире. "Зубр" способен перевозить три основных танка весом до 150 тонн или 10 бронетранспортёров и 140 человек десанта».


    Блин, что за эпидемия? Как что-то, так сразу стараются к месту и не к месту вставить "Калибр". Скоро наверно на гражданские самолеты и космические корабли к месту и не к месту будут стараться всунуть "Калибры"
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 October 2015 07: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Как что-то, так сразу стараются к месту и не к месту вставить "Калибр"

      Даешь "Хибины" !!!!!! fellow
  13. slaw14
    slaw14 20 October 2015 19: 09 New
    0
    Ну наконец то возобновили производство. "Крым наш"- звучит с новой силой, именно там прописаны все спецы этого кораблестроения.
  14. 31rus
    31rus 20 October 2015 19: 27 New
    +2
    Да причем тут "Зубр",вы статью читали,новый проект,новое вооружение,российские двигатели,дальше по русски написано десантный,а не ракетный,вообще очень плохо что у нас начинают разработку,в инициативном порядке,что ВМФ не знает что им нужно?Мое мнение такие корабли просто необходимы причем разные от малотоннажных до крупных транспортно-десантных
  15. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 20 October 2015 19: 35 New
    +1
    For the transfer of mobile groups to protect the islands and their own coast from saboteurs and terrorists in the absence of weather for aviation, a very real vessel
  16. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 October 2015 19: 40 New
    +1

    Что дурналисту сказали - "...на воздушной подушке нового поколения на базе "Зубра"..."
    Что дурналист услышал - "...речь идёт о принципиально новом проекте."
    Как говориться - следите за руками. Вообще что-то дурналисты мельчать стали, перестали писать - "неимеющиймировыханалогов".
  17. reklats34
    reklats34 20 October 2015 19: 52 New
    +2
    AND WHY IT IS IN THE BLACK SEA TO NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT REFUELING ONLY ONE END MAY BE EXTENDED IF THE ENGINES DON'T BURN AT OUR BDK PENSIONERS ARE NEVER REPLACED AND WE ARE NOT FIRST TIME FIRST TIME FIRST TIME.
  18. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2015 19: 59 New
    +7
    Quote: ermolai
    да, надо надо обновить парк, и действительно для Арктики нужны, большие и малые, с "тополями" и "Искандерами" и "Калибрами" думаю в Арктике танки не очень нужны, такой "Зубр" сам как танковый батальон будет. А что развез контейнерный вариант "Калибра" замаскировали под торос льда, и "привет" передали в нужный час. во головняк то будет у матрасни с наглосаксами

    ну как же без "Искандеров", "Тополей" и "Калибров"???

    You know, there is an old joke.
    Passengers of a passenger airliner are preparing for take-off. Broadcast Commander:
    "Дамы и господа. Пожалуйста пристегните ремни перед взлетом. Коротко о нашем лайнере.
    - On the first deck- luggage compartment
    - On the second deck - tennis court, basketball court and volleyball court
    - On the third deck - football fields
    - On the fourth deck - baths: Russian, Turkish, Finnish, Japanese
    - On the fifth deck - pools
    - On the sixth deck - smoking salons
    - On the seventh deck - sleeping compartments
    - on the eighth deck - restaurants
    - On the ninth deck - economy class seats
    - On the tenth deck - first class places
    - On the eleventh deck - bars
    - On the twelfth deck viewing platforms

    And now, dear passengers, please fasten your seat belts and we will try to lift it fuck ... more to the air....

    Ничего не напоминает??? Как что-то кто-то предлагают, так тут же начинают туда все совать. То "Калибры" на баржи, то "Калибры", "Тополи", "Искандеры" на десантные корабли. Блин, вам это выше приведенное не напоминает, все совать в одно место? Десантный корабль должен быть десантным, а не ракетным или еще что. Будет не рыба и не мясо. Какая у вас задача будет приоритетной? Довезти и высадить целым и невредимым десант или отстреляться неизвестно по кому? Кстати? А вы знаете, что размещение межконтинентальных ракет на плавсредствах, не являющихся подводными лодками запрещено???

    a container with CALIBERS disguised as hummocks - a masterpiece. Who are you going to shoot at such distances, dear, at polar bears?
    1. jjj
      jjj 20 October 2015 22: 15 New
      +1
      There is no superfluous support fire during a landing. That's just the range here is excessive. But the melee fire shaft is the most
  19. roskot
    roskot 20 October 2015 20: 28 New
    +1
    Need hovercraft? Need. Ready to build? Ready. So what else is needed.
    Build and more.
  20. IAlex
    IAlex 20 October 2015 20: 30 New
    0
    For people who have taken away the brain from the article, I translate the article from the language of money launderers of the official dough from cheers-patriotic to a normal language understandable to the average person ...


    Almaz is developing a business plan for the development of a new hovercraft project


    TsMKB Almaz announced the development of a business plan (which will describe the general characteristics, duration and cost of work) of a new generation hovercraft, RIA Novosti reports a message from the head of the marketing department of the enterprise Dmitry Tsygankov.

    Ship project 12322 "Bison"

    «Нами разрабатывается бизнес-план за собственный счет в котором будут определены общие характеристики, длительность и стоимость работ по разработке проекта на корабль на воздушной подушке базирующийся на базе "Зубра". Если строившийся ранее "Зубр" – это был советский проект, то речь идёт о возможности создания модернизированного проекта уже Российской Федерацией. В соответствии с бизнес-планом предполагается, что главная энергетическая установка будет российского производства, как и установка новой системы вооружения в отличии от предыдущего проекта "Зубр", а так же общий облик будущего проекта будет более современным нежели чем у текущего проекта "Зубр"», – рассказал Цыганков.

    “If the business plan is proposed and interesting to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and the Russian Ministry of Defense, in turn, finds the necessary funds for the development of the project, the CMKB is ready to develop TK and create a project for a new hovercraft,” he added.

    Thanks to the design features, hovercraft can move both on water and on the ground. For them, neither swamps, nor ditches, nor minefields are an obstacle. For landing, they can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans.

    Справка агентства: «Малые десантные корабли на воздушной подушке проекта 12322 "Зубр" являются самыми большими кораблями на воздушной подушке в мире. "Зубр" способен перевозить три основных танка весом до 150 тонн или 10 бронетранспортёров и 140 человек десанта».






    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 21 October 2015 16: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: IAlex
      can use up to 70% of the total length of all seas and oceans.


      it will be more correct here can use up to 70% of the total coastline of all seas and oceans.
  21. Izotovp
    Izotovp 20 October 2015 20: 47 New
    +2
    По сути такие корабли-это морской БТР:почистить зону высадки,высадить,поддержать во время высадки. Все !!! Значит и должно быть у него (по моему мнению ):ЗРК ближней зоны,РЭБ для борьбы с береговыми РЛС и арт-ракетное для зоны высадки. Все остальное,более серьёзное,далекое и тяжёлое,будут обрабатывать "старшие братья" из эскадры.
    Correct, I will be glad))).
  22. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2015 21: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Izotovp
    So it should have (in my opinion): a near-air defense system, electronic warfare for combating coastal radars and an artillery missile for a landing zone.

    - ЗРК? есть. ВОСЕМЬ ПЗРК "ИГЛА"
    - РЭБ - нафиг она нужна на скоростном десантном средстве. Чтобы заглушив РЛС показать, что он там? Что-то в последнее время "Калибры" и РЭБ стало неизменным атрибутов всего, что только можно. Везде стараются сунуть РЭБ и КАЛИБРЫ
    - артиллерийско-ракетное - да есть. 2 АК-630, а 2 х 22 ствольные установки А-22 "огонь" с запасом в 132 снаряда. ВОт и все вооружение "Зубра". На новом, может что и изменится, но вряд ли. Вооружение размещено оптимально и нет смысла что-то городить заново
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 20 October 2015 22: 22 New
      0
      I mean the radar of coastal art. and rocket batteries, no more.
      And MANPADS by modern standards is not enough? Perhaps more appropriate Shell-M?
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 20 October 2015 23: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Izotovp
        I mean the radar of coastal art. and rocket batteries, no more.

        This is the task of the support ships. hi
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp 20 October 2015 23: 47 New
          +1
          Also an option, I do not argue !! But you need to cover harder from the sky.
  23. DPN
    DPN 20 October 2015 21: 35 New
    +1
    Russia is a sea power, so it needs all kinds of ships, it’s just that the oligarchs must be appointed chiefs, it’s necessary to share it with the Army and the people.
  24. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 20 October 2015 21: 48 New
    +1
    "Для высадки десанта они могут использовать до 70 % общей длины всех морей и океанов."

    Explain, please, and this is how they will use that very length.)))
    Maybe better 30% wider than 70% longer ????)))
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 20 October 2015 22: 07 New
      +3
      This means the length of the coastline, but this incorrectness in the expression of thought is also often depressing (((
  25. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 20 October 2015 22: 40 New
    -1
    А когда технологии "ЭКИП" возродят? Для северных территорий - самое то что надо.
  26. gridasov
    gridasov 20 October 2015 22: 44 New
    +1
    Древняя восточная мудрость гласит , что "в войну вступать нужно , когда уверен в своей победе". Новая и более эффективная техника это залог победы. О какой же эффективной технике может идти речь , когда аванпроектом заявляется техника на всех старых принципах организации процессов движения. Одна двигательная и одновременно движительная установка может организовывать все распределительные вектора движения потока воздуха . Если даже эти технические решения не внедряются , то о чем можно вообще говорить в решении ключевых энергетических процессов обеспечения движения таких судов.
  27. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 20 October 2015 23: 08 New
    0
    Да собственно такой вид кораблей типа "Зубр" нужен на Дальнем востоке, на Севере с хорошим вооружением
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 October 2015 07: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Anchonsha
      Да собственно такой вид кораблей типа "Зубр" нужен на Дальнем востоке, на Севере

      And against whom will they act in the North - attack the testing ground on Novaya Zemlya or seize the North Pole? smile
  28. lopvlad
    lopvlad 21 October 2015 00: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Basarev
    And could the Bison continue to build


    no, they could not. Engines for the Bison were made in Ukraine in Nikolaev (GP NPKG Zorya - Mashproekt)

    In fact, now there is no engine in Russia for a ship, and manufacturing a ship in the old guise is not profitable.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 21 October 2015 11: 11 New
      0
      Людям , которые принимают решения не хватает компетенции наладить такую службу , которая бы отрабатывала или как минимум мониторила любые идеи в области создания двигателей нового типа. Но очевидно , что и задачи такой нет - создания новых двигателей. В таком случае, мы бы, не заводские разработчики , не тратили десятилетия на анонсирование своих работ. А сейчас однозначно , что все идут к поиску таких решений, которые нами определены, уже можно ,сказать десятилетие тому назад. Другое дело мы все время движемся вперед и глубина проработок боле достаточна , но уже оторвана от реальности. Приходится занижать уровень предлагаемых и идей и их решений. Кстати по вопросу тех же "калибров" . У них используются те же старинные принципы работы двигателей . И уже этого достаточно , чтобы иметь приоритет на современных полях сражения. С "нашими двигательными установками",-пока только идеями, которые, в основе, фундаментальны и этого достаточно , чтобы пока так и оставались идеями, Россия приобретет то к чему стремятся все.
  29. Rock616
    Rock616 21 October 2015 01: 43 New
    +1
    Я все-таки надеюсь ,что"Зубры"или их дальнейшие развития получат право на жизнь,и займут достойное место ВС РФ.
  30. Svetlana
    Svetlana 21 October 2015 06: 38 New
    -2
    Due to temporary difficulties with the gas turbine units of the Motor-SICH plant, it is possible that the new Bison will be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Then its range will be unlimited.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 October 2015 10: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Svetlana
      perhaps the new Bison will be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Then its range will be unlimited.

      And a photon engine! smile Вы имеете представление сколько будет весить ядерная энергетическая установка соизмеримой с ГТД мощности ? В лучшем случае, дай бог самого себя поднять на "воздушную подушку"!
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 21 October 2015 16: 17 New
        0
        The nuclear power plan is similar to the Mars reactor, but a little more powerful.
        A fast neutron nuclear reactor is used.
        The heat removal from the core of the nuclear reactor is performed by a liquid coolant - flyb in the first circuit, followed by heat removal in the liquid-helium heat exchanger with helium compressed to 150 atm in the second circuit. A helium turbine is used to spin the generator.
        Thermal power of an onboard nuclear reactor of at least 90 MW.
        The electrical power of an onboard nuclear power plant with an efficiency of 33% is 30 MW.
        The mass of a nuclear reactor with helium heat exchangers - liquid salt (flyb), recuperator, radiation protection is 200 tons.
        The total mass of closed-circuit turboelectric generators, air turbocompressors, recuperative valve electric motors for driving air cushion electric fans, horizontal thrust electric fans is 150 tons.
        The mass of the structure of the SVP frame is 150 tons.
        Total total weight of the design of the SVP with equipment is 500 tons.
        Schematic diagram of the MARS reactor: 1 - reactor vessel; 2 - active zone; 3 - salt-compressed helium heat exchangers; 4 - displacer; 5 - lifting section; 6 - compensation tank; 7 - reactor cover
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 October 2015 22: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Svetlana
          A fast neutron nuclear reactor is used.

          And what will happen when a projectile gets into this power plant? It is not surprising, but during the fighting they shoot. smile When they refused to create aircraft with nuclear power plants, they first of all thought about the consequences of the destruction of the reactor. hi
          PS. By the way, in your calculations you forgot to mention the payload - the ship is a landing ship.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 22 October 2015 13: 19 New
            0
            It all depends on the size, speed, filling of the shell. If the projectile has a mass of 300 kg, a speed of 3,5 km / s, and a filling of 300 Kt, then there will be a luminous mushroom cloud 10 km high. However, the same cloud will occur if the aforementioned shell does not fall into this power plant, but into an aircraft carrier of the Nimitz type. If you increase the displacement of the SVP from 500 to 650 tons, then there will be a place for the landing.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 26 October 2015 06: 36 New
              0
              dialogue of a homing warhead with the archangel Gabriel:
              I found Nimitz!
              -and where is he?
              -vaporated ..
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 21 October 2015 10: 58 New
      -1
      In any case, everyone returns to the same problems. And they, if this is not yet noticeable, are decided only by such developments that we offer. The testing of nuclear installations in any form and on the principles that are used now is completely IMPOSSIBLE. However, the use of radioactive elements in the engine so that these elements increase the potential of various physical processes is completely possible. It’s even necessary!
  31. Old26
    Old26 21 October 2015 07: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Svetlana
    Due to temporary difficulties with the gas turbine units of the Motor-SICH plant, it is possible that the new Bison will be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Then its range will be unlimited.

    and what will this reactor give? Will it work instead of a gas turbine? Having eaten the entire cargo capacity of the ship?
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 21 October 2015 20: 10 New
      0
      This reactor will give the SVP unlimited range at a good speed exceeding the speed of nuclear submarines. It will not work instead of a gas turbine, but with a gas (helium) turbine. To cool spent helium, a helium-air fan heat exchanger is installed on the exhaust of a gas turbine. In the case of SVP, air cushion fans and / or horizontal draft fans are used in these heat exchangers. The purpose of the ship of course changes - it becomes not landing, but shock. The load corresponding to the new purpose also changes - instead of tanks, the same Caliber is in horizontal containers with hydraulic drives for shifting to an inclined or vertical position. A large carrying capacity for such a load is not required. The cost will probably be cheaper than a submarine with the same load.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 21 October 2015 20: 56 New
        0
        Ну вот я задаюсь вопросом . Вроде умные люди , а лукавите сами себе и масса "разрывов" в логике рассуждений. Откуда же скорость у АПЛ от реактора. Вы в любом случае должны совместить или трансформировать тепловую энергию и пусть переданную теплоносителю для передачи взаимодействия с внешней средой. В любом случае нужно создать движущую силу объекту. Поэтому из всех просчитанных вариантов лучше нашего движителя быть не может Во-первых реакторная зона создающая реактивную силу находится внутри . Ни каких лопастей снаружи. Нет кавитации на лопастях и расположить можно движитель в любой части АПЛ. Не спорю , что для обеспечения акустической тишины вряд ли наша технология лучше чем такие "статические" ядерные генераторы. Но совокупный вес их исчисляться может сотнями кг. Но никак не тоннами.
        I am surprised by something else. The use of radioactive materials is a whole range of additional safety measures. The use of a well-known substance, to which the Germans gave priority, creates properties that are much more effective in use than radioactivity. It is obvious. Therefore, for air-independent energy generators, the best substance can not be invented. And with our technology, it’s just perfect for it.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 22 October 2015 06: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Svetlana
        This reactor will give SVP unlimited range

        А зачем ему "неограниченная дальность хода" с его то мореходностью ? До первого шторма ? smile
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 22 October 2015 13: 21 New
          0
          You will recall that there is no dawn in the tundra in winter. Therefore, it really needs electricity, which can be provided by SVP. The coastline in northern Russia allows SVPs to go ashore and delve into the tundra. A tractor on an SVP trailer can even be pulled onto a gentle mountain. There are no storms with high waves in the tundra. But if you have to carry out combat duty in the open ocean, then due to the high speed of the SVP, it will always be able to get ahead of the impending storm in advance.
  32. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 21 October 2015 16: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Izotovp
    I mean the radar of coastal art. and rocket batteries, no more.
    And MANPADS by modern standards is not enough? Perhaps more appropriate Shell-M?

    Наверное есть смысл вместо ПЗРК "Игла" и АК-630 поставить "Панцирь"
  33. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 21 October 2015 16: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Svetlana
    perhaps the new Bison will be equipped with a nuclear power plant. Then its range will be unlimited.

    And a photon engine! smile Вы имеете представление сколько будет весить ядерная энергетическая установка соизмеримой с ГТД мощности ? В лучшем случае, дай бог самого себя поднять на "воздушную подушку"!

    Его выведут на околоземную орбиту, десантников введут в анабиоз, а в нужный момент он, стреляя "Тополями", "Искандерами" и "Калибрами", спустится и приводнится где-то посредине 70% длинны океанов и морей.
  34. Bastion
    Bastion 21 October 2015 23: 53 New
    0
    Normal idea, all need to be updated !!!