Tula forged weapons for centuries. And now?

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An open letter to an old projectile who cares for the "fire business"

Tula forged weapons for centuries. And now?


There was no nail - the horseshoe was gone.
There was no horseshoe - the horse limped.
The horse limped - the commander was killed.
The cavalry is broken - the army is running.
The enemy enters the city, not sparing the captives,
Because there was no nail in the smithy.
(S. MARSHAK, "Nail and Horseshoe")

In the army, the "nails" are artillery shells, and no matter how much they bury the artillery, it remains the "god of war." Evidence of this - all the wars and armed conflicts of our time. And because the shells should be enough to confront the likely opponent.

And in the shell industry this “nail” is TNITI. The state put it aside as useless and ruined, the state should return to life, because an urgent need has arisen. Without the most drastic measures, the institute will not survive the winter. But God forbid, these measures will be market. Not the case!

That's why I decided on this open letter. What if they publish it. Yes, read it Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin or Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu, or both together. I don’t even dream of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, although his question concerns most of all. We are talking about as much as the security of the country, the fate of those who managed to become famous tanks "Armata", the shell industry and the unique shell institute TNITI, which is living out its last days.

I have just returned from the meeting of shareholders of TNITI, where the question of the early resignation of the director was decided. When he reported to the team, he asked: what does he think about the prospects of the once powerful shell institute and production, designed to provide plants for the industry with new technologies, machines and non-standard equipment?

Surprisingly nothing intelligible said! But after, in order to get out of the crisis, I suggested reducing the number of workers, of which there was absolutely nothing left, and to rent out the last production space, I was no longer willing to ask, and I signed up for the dismissal. Naive! In conditions when several people who have the lion's share of shares decide everything, voting is a fiction. The director remained to complete the last act of our tragedy, stretching for twenty-five years.

But is this our only tragedy? I'll start "from the stove." Is everything okay with the project called “Armat”? I am not a tanker and I am not going to blaspheme a tank, perhaps, indeed, the best in the world. But in his gear case, as they say, he ate the dog. Thirty-six years engaged in the technology of mechanical processing of artillery shells and I know in detail what the mass production of ammunition.

However, in order. In accordance with the plans, before the 2020 of the year it is planned to adopt the Armata 2300 tanks, not counting the vehicles on its platform. Uralvagonzavod intends to manufacture 500 units per year. "Armata" is equipped with a 125-mm cannon with new BPS (armor-piercing-sifting projectiles) "Vacuum-1" is much longer than the existing ones. In addition, it was stated that this is a temporary solution and on the approach of the 152-mm gun, the shells of which “will burn the meter of steel”. And thus the tank for many years will become out of reach for competitors. Hearing this, I perk up, imagining how much work we have to do. They say that a shell institute will finally be in demand. It was not there.

Rosatom was entrusted with the development and production of new shells. Their tests, apparently, have already been conducted at the test site of the Nizhny Tagil Metal Testing Institute. At first, I wondered why NIMI, the developer of Soviet artillery shells, with whom TNITI as a technological institute was used to working in pairs, does not participate. But then I remembered that the 152-mm "body" is the smallest in which a tactical nuclear charge is placed, and stopped perplexing.

Doubt
Does Rosatom do or make a normal projectile? In the end, he can always invite developers from the same THEM. But what next?
Who and where they will produce, if the shell production is destroyed almost to the ground? For "Armat", passed on Red Square 9 in May, they can be made "on the knee", and for the whole "Armada"? Not to mention the fact that Rosatom has never engaged in the mass production of ammunition, and this is not such a simple matter as it may seem to laymans.

I am afraid that the shells made by the corporation will come out truly "golden." But isn't that the secret meaning of the transfer of a giant order to Kiriyenko? Everywhere and everywhere defense orders are considered the most profitable. And here it is also so “lucky”: the shell industry in the deepest crisis, barely breathes.

The production of artillery shells in my memory has already turned out to be in a similar position, according to the reforms of Nikita Khrushchev, who defeated the domestic artillery, and at the same time our industry. Is it possible to explain how we can destroy and take away? In the 1966 year, when a shell institute was organized in Tula, we had to start from scratch.

And by 1990, it was a truly unique institute with its machine-tool production with a capacity of up to 150 machine tools per year, as well as electroplating, paintwork, assembly lines, control devices. In short, non-standard equipment throughout the production cycle of ammunition - from billet to finish. 3500 workers, a branch of the Polytechnic Institute. Prepared their engineering and scientific personnel. Forty candidates of technical sciences exclusively from their employees.

And today we must begin with this. At the former shell plants a lot of free space, but the equipment is worn to the limit. In the 1985 year, we were going to completely replace it by the year 2000. You can imagine what his age is today, if not scrapped, sold, or taken apart for parts.

Maybe someone thinks to buy abroad? And the sanctions? Machines for slug production neither America nor Europe will not sell! Look at what machine tool plant put "Gildemeister" in Ulyanovsk - ECOLINE for someone, maybe good, but the "body" of the shells can not do them. Besides, judging by the fact that 1000 machines will make 200 workers, this is a screwdriver assembly.

How to convey to those on whom the defense capability and security of the state depend, that, before it is too late, it is necessary to restore TNITI at least in the former Soviet dimensions? Buy equipment for it, cherish it. There is no other way!

Dear Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin has visited Tula more than once and has never looked into TNITI. Would he consider it a labor to visit a long-suffering defense institute in his next visit? And you can also come specially, otherwise the poor fellow will not live - and there will be nothing to watch.

Honorly, he can’t do anything of what he did before — three hundred people, of whom nearly a hundred workers, not an army. We are talking about walls, factory buildings and traditions! If Moscow wants to revive shell production in Russia, it is impossible to do without a technological institute with a powerful machine-tool production.

Why not start the revival of the industry with TNITI? In Tula, you can still find specialists - “Tula has forged weapons for centuries!” But is it not possible to start in the same bare place? Someone will say: why not? The more money you spend, the more you can put in your pocket. And if the state? It was not for nothing that Tula was chosen as the location of the leading institute of the ammunition industry. There are no problems with specialists, because there is a polytechnic institute, which is closely connected with the defense industry. And before the machine-tool plants, which ordered equipment for the industry, located mainly in the Urals and Siberia, are within reach. In addition to the slugging machines, many others were needed - artillery shells do not consist of the same "hulls". By the way, we were engaged not only with shells, but with “melee combat”, and NURSs, and aerial bombs, and mines, a lot of things ...

In the meantime, we didn’t set up our own plant, we went to Leningrad for the shell machines, and then to Krasnodar, where we organized the production of the KM-816 and KM-817 machines developed by our designers. But what to say, ordering equipment for my plants, I traveled all over the European part of the Union: Kiev, Kharkov, Melitopol, Minsk, Vitebsk, Krasnodar, Leningrad, Ryazan, Moscow, Klin, Yegoryevsk, Saratov, Kuibyshev, Penza, Voronezh, Zhytomyr ... All The geography of the deceased machine tool industry at a glance! Some do not, and those are far away!

Dear A.A. Kallistov writes: “... in the USA, when modernizing the ammunition industry, in order to increase the efficiency of its operation on the basis of state-owned factories and enterprises (not operated by private firms), six head technology centers were established to develop, manufacture and improve the production technology of certain groups of ammunition and their components ”(“ Problem issues of innovative development of the industry of ammunition and special chemistry ”,“ Armament and economy ”, №1, 2013).

But after all, this is TNITI as it became at the peak of its development by the year 1991! Survived, Ph.D. and academician, who has worked all his life in the industry, is forced to refer to the United States, which in our time was trudging behind the back of the USSR, Germany and almost the whole of Europe ...

Kallistov continues: “In Soviet times, one of the most important components of the ammunition industry was its own machine-tool construction and design on this basis of technological chains of factories producing ammunition that satisfied modern progressive technologies and with the least labor costs allowed to produce the necessary amount of ammunition ... Unfortunately, our own machine tool industry in the ammunition industry in our country does not exist (and how much nkostroeniya and in the whole country - South), but because of the virtual absence of orders for the production of ammunition and their meager amounts involved in their production of frames required
there are no qualifications, as a rule. ” And where will they come from, if “only MGTU im. Bauman has a full-fledged department, training ammunition "?
Will graduates of this department go, for example, to the Upper Tour? And maybe they will go to Tula. Tula Technical University has not trained for a long time its personnel. Although it could.

The need to re-establish TNITI in its previous form, I argued in my speech at the meeting of shareholders. In addition to the director, there were two main shareholders on the presidium, representatives of Russian Technologies (or Rostec - I was already confused!) And the Magistral shopping center, which occupies most of our administrative building. It is clear that the merchant shells to the bulb. But after all, Rostec can not be relied on! Did the representative understand what I was talking about? Judging by the fact that he offered us to go to Vladikavkaz to deal with ferroalloys, it is unlikely. People asked: it turns out, do not need a shell institute? Presidium hesitated, it turned out - not needed. I had to make a statement: I need it more than ever!

Okay, I, Candidate of Technical Sciences, who has worked in the industry for thirty-six years, is the author of a number of inventions on the ammunition theme, among which, by the way, is the original technology of mechanical processing of the “shells” of the very 152-mm artillery shells that millions will need for “Armat” , for him not authority. Maybe he will listen to the full member RARAN A.A. Kallistovu? Or is his opinion not interested in Rostec?

***

I remember how in the nineties, in the euphoria of perestroika, which gave such evil fruits, TNITI wanted to reorient to completely alien products. Then the old, still Soviet, director invited the governor, led the workshops, said that he was an institute, what a unique phenomenon. There was still something to show.

But Starodubtsev can be explained - according to the Soviet skill, Vasily Aleksandrovich got used to listening, will it be possible to interpret officials from Rostec?
It would seem that everything is simple: 25 took care of TNITI enclosures for years until they were in demand. And this day has finally come. And what, again prefer to start from scratch, in Rosatom or somewhere else? Only not where the walls and traditions have survived!

State money is not a pity? If you revive the ammunition industry, the main expenditures are capital. It is foolish to restore the Institute of Technology with the production of sludge machines elsewhere. How many of our specialists, without waiting, ran up to Tula enterprises! There will be work, money will come - many will return. Yes, take me though ...

***

Rereading the lines, I find myself looking at it, do I not look funny? Some of my former colleagues perceived my attempts to reach the very top. Well, Tula Lefty was also funny, crying on his deathbed: “Tell the sovereign that the guns are not cleaned with a brick!” Well, they didn’t clean it!

Is it afraid to look ridiculous if the case is public?
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  1. +57
    20 October 2015 05: 49
    In the article, I don’t even know how to react? Soul Cry for sure.
    1. +65
      20 October 2015 05: 58
      - Only there will be no sense from this. Unfortunately. The official bastard is not happy for the interests of the Fatherland - their status in Swiss banks, their children study in English / American schools, their luxurious estates, bought with money stolen from Russian (mainly from the elderly and children - the most powerless creatures in our country) are in Spain or Cyprus ... they have absolutely no reason to relate to Russian and to Russia differently than the white English colonialist belonged to the native and the colony.
      1. +9
        20 October 2015 06: 45
        A strange article, if not outdated ... looked at the original source ... no date, no specific names ... the main point of the article is that everything is bad, but why and why and who is to blame is not written. I am aware that JSC "TNITI" was a debtor on salaries to employees and investors, but in 2014 managed to reduce its debt to 7 million rubles. At the moment I don’t know the situation, but back in October 2014 there was an interview with the director S.V. Lavrushin
        From the interview ...

        -You produce original machines. The mechanical components for these machines, too, do it yourself. A logical question arises regarding the use of own resources for the manufacture of serial orders. Why not TNITI become a serial plant?

        “We did so.” Moreover, the manufacture of military products occupies 70% of the total. In this matter, TNITI does not act as a developer, but as a serial manufacturer of parts for shells and missiles for other plants. For the production of large series, there is still not enough capacity. But after the modernization of production facilities in Basovo, this will become possible.
        We are interested in this new function not only from a financial position. Although it is important. Serial production is a testing ground for testing new technological solutions, a school for training personnel. TNITI has all the conditions for diversification: production facilities, capacities, intelligence, proprietary technologies, experience and exclusive equipment.

        -How do you solve the personnel problem?

        - The worst situation is with the workers of the main specialties, there are not enough turners, squanders, milling machines. Technologists and designers are also very needed. For now, we are holding on to old staff who have returned to the enterprise. Gradually, young specialists also come, this year six students of Tula State University passed practice with us, and four graduates came to work. The enterprise interacts with the departments of instrument engineering, mechanical engineering technology, instrumental and metrological systems of TulSU, with which an agreement on scientific and technical cooperation is concluded.

        - Sergey Viktorovich, you are a former military man. How do you perceive the position of leader in civilian life? What is the hardest part here?

        - What is considered the most difficult? Yes, perhaps, there are enough difficulties in everything. Now we are just starting to revive our enterprise after a protracted crisis. Gradually we establish production, restore workshops, attract other plants and enterprises for cooperation, invite young specialists, but we will also be glad to good professionals with extensive experience and knowledge who can transfer their experience to young people.
        1. +15
          20 October 2015 07: 43
          Quote: Saburov
          From the interview ...


          - Why are you citing this interview? I can cite many other, no less interesting interviews, for example, from Russian "statesmen". If you believe them, then the prosperity in our country is cleaner than in the United Arab Emirates. Is it really? Should we unconditionally trust the words of the person who is the first to be responsible for everything that happens at the plant? Or is it better to listen to the words of a "person in place" who does not have and does not seek personal benefit for himself, talking about the state of affairs?
          1. +6
            20 October 2015 07: 50
            Whether it is looking for or not looking for this is a minor question, for example, accurate information on the enterprise is needed, and since he is talking about sabotage (otherwise you won’t call it), you need to name the surnames and dates more specifically so that there is someone to ask! For example, I did not find data on TNITI for this person, but I found his articles here http://vpk-news.ru/authors/5579
            1. +13
              20 October 2015 07: 55
              Quote: Saburov
              For example, we need accurate information on the enterprise and since he is talking about sabotage (otherwise you won’t call it), you need to give names and dates more specifically so that there is someone to ask!


              - I see, neither Vasilyeva nor Serdyukov taught you anything. There will be no demand for specific surnames and dates, as long as they "give on the paw" "who needs it." When they stop "giving" - the next "switchman" will fall under the "press", and the real culprits will sunbathe on the beaches of Mallorca. The system of bureaucratic lawlessness will never go to war against itself. The clearest example of this is tsarist Russia from the 1800s to 1917. And exactly everything that happened then is being repeated now, and on a much larger scale. It is not for nothing that it is now so fashionable for the "statesmen" to praise Tsarist Russia, cry over it and set it as an example everywhere and everywhere.
              1. +6
                20 October 2015 08: 08
                Demand will always be ... it is a matter of time and patience. Why did I say that, who knows TNITI was the process of production automation going through or not? There is of course a suspicion that the state specifically bankrupts it in order to pick it up from the privatizers for cheap (the scheme has been implemented for a long time and has been working successfully and there are many examples). There are simply a lot of articles by Yu.M. Shabalin on various resources (see for yourself if you do not believe it) and they all come down to the one that as we asked .. if the USSR ... it was better before ... we all die and stuff ... I give some links
                http://www.odintsovo.info/white/blog.asp?id=4672
                http://www.duel.ru/200736/?36_3_1
                http://www.great-country.ru/rubrika_articles/ros/110226-04.html
                http://www.za-nauku.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1537
                So it’s not quite simple here ... an information war ... only a person from the enterprise can clarify the situation.
              2. +1
                20 October 2015 23: 03
                Yes, life does not teach people anything. As though not to catch oneself, as always, when it will be too late. We'll have to urgently order shells in China for non-fig money.
              3. 0
                21 October 2015 16: 06
                Quote: Haettenschweiler
                Quote: Saburov
                For example, we need accurate information on the enterprise and since he is talking about sabotage (otherwise you won’t call it), you need to give names and dates more specifically so that there is someone to ask!


                - I see, neither Vasilyeva nor Serdyukov taught you anything. There will be no demand for specific surnames and dates, as long as they "give on the paw" "who needs it." When they stop "giving" - the next "switchman" will fall under the "press", and the real culprits will sunbathe on the beaches of Mallorca. The system of bureaucratic lawlessness will never go to war against itself. The clearest example of this is tsarist Russia from the 1800s to 1917. And exactly everything that happened then is being repeated now, and on a much larger scale. It is not for nothing that it is now so fashionable for the "statesmen" to praise Tsarist Russia, cry over it and set it as an example everywhere and everywhere.

                but I’m watching such people as Trotsky (Leiba Davidovich Branstein), Gorbachev with Yeltsin, Poroshenko and the oligarch team, they also don’t teach you anything, they told how badly people live under that power, they flooded the country with fraternal blood and drove the country into poverty. And people like you are trying to hang dogs on those who raise the country from their knees.
        2. +10
          20 October 2015 10: 41
          Most likely, the article was written this year, since the plans for the release of Armata 2300 pcs became known only this year around Victory Day.
          Most likely, this is a meeting of shareholders of 30.06.2015. :
          http://www.gazprombank.ru/upload/iblock/78c/OSA_TNITI.pdf
          Although who knows, maybe there were other meetings ....
        3. +2
          20 October 2015 19: 00
          Quote: Saburov
          Strange article



          Hmm ... a strange polarity in the article and the interview you proposed ...

          If the interview with Lavrushin is true, then you should only be glad and wish TNITI only development and success ...

          PS And then after all, as you read articles like this, forever your heart begins to nag ...
    2. +13
      20 October 2015 07: 39
      I was there six months ago. The patient is more likely dead than alive.
    3. +7
      20 October 2015 09: 15
      in general, Shells - the ammunition is half the tank, who needs a combat vehicle, fast, protected, but with limited combat qualities? On the other side, they are also thinking about defense and increasing their armor, so IMPROVEMENT OF AMMUNITION should ALWAYS be and such articles are here as if it’s hard to read from the time of the stool ...
    4. 0
      22 October 2015 00: 46
      Now grief patriots probably scratching their heads how so? It can't be about us. And for me, while Vasilyeva has 1300 rings, and Serdyukov type does not have much to change at all. I also remembered the article about the salaries of civil servants, which are "National Treasure" ((((. Why Miller or Sechin should receive under 30 million a year each and not rubles? Until there are answers to these questions, everything else will remain in decline.
      1. 0
        22 October 2015 18: 01
        I don’t understand people. Are you doing this like that? Nuclear shells - for a direct shot? And this is with a very awesomely developed artillery? Moreover, a tank shell and an artillery shell of even approximately the same caliber, say 125 and 122 mm — these are different things — they are not in favor of the tank.

        By the way, of all the people who believed the author, who looked at the regalia in the vicinity - "52-mm artillery shells (copyright certificate No. 325326), low-operational group technology for the mass production of ammunition parts (A.S.No. 204742, 229202, 241900), technologies for machining “cumulative funnels” (A.S. No. 286581), technologies for processing parts such as "feather" and "blade" (a.s. No. 217069)"?
  2. +1
    20 October 2015 05: 58
    The development and production of new shells was entrusted to Rosatom.

    Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile? I mean, this is my guess ...
    1. Fox
      +9
      20 October 2015 06: 31
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile?

      Rosatom itself does nothing. There are no productions. Everything is placed by tender at third-party factories.
      1. +7
        20 October 2015 06: 46
        Quote: Fox
        Rosatom itself does nothing. There are no productions. Everything is placed by tender at third-party factories.


        then notice what a wonderful scheme for "cutting" the dough looms ...
        Although the article is similar to the cry of the soul, as it is not unambiguously everything happens, behind such sentimental articles are just ordinary denyuzhki not divided and not sawn, but as a rule it is signed by a person all in regalia ...
        1. +1
          20 October 2015 06: 47
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          then notice what a wonderful scheme for "cutting" the dough looms ...

          Didn't notice
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          , behind such sentimental articles are just ordinary denyuzhki not divided and not sawn,

          Everyone sees what he wants to see.
          1. +3
            20 October 2015 07: 22
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Didn't notice

            money is usually sawn through an intermediary who decides to whom to give the order, to whom not .. the more these links, the more difficult it is to look for ends .. it’s even surprising that I have to explain this wassat
            everyone sees what he wants to see.


            Unfortunately, the pink glasses have broken .. oh, you are our radiant
      2. +11
        20 October 2015 14: 36
        Quote: Fox
        Rosatom himself does nothing

        I think the answer lies in the personality of the head of ROSATOM - Sergey Kiriyenko. Yes, that same Kiriyenko, the prime minister of the Yeltsin government in 1998. Parents: Larisa Vasilievna Kiriyenko, Vladilen Yakovlevich Israel. Partisanship - The Union of Right Forces where Chubais was (Parents:Raisa Efimovna Sagal, Boris Matveevich Chubais) and Nemtsov (Parents:Dina Yakovlevna Eidman, Efim Davydovich Nemtsov), Gaidar, Gozman, Hakamada (Parents: Mutsuo Hakamada, Nina Iosifovna Sinelnikova) All these people in the eyes of most people are traitors to the country, sabotage.
        Isn’t it looking for a reason? What unites these people, except for partisanship? wink
        P.S. Hi Zema! hi
        1. +1
          21 October 2015 13: 01
          We remember this "kinder surprise". He's still a chican.
    2. +7
      20 October 2015 06: 37
      It's fashionable now: "We'll destroy the whole world ... and then we'll build our new one" - it's easier to "stick around" the budget - you don't seem to be stealing, you're busy with business, well, there are costs in a new business ... It's like with the SuperJet it turned out - they gave the development to the "combat" design bureau, and the "civilian" ones remained idle, although the latter had enough groundwork, it remained to complete. Well, what does the SD look like (and in monetary terms too), and where are the Tupolev, Ilyushin machines? Okay, "Aeroflot", the planes were leased (and then many have already "backfired" and "haunted") SO you will not take shells on lease
      1. +2
        20 October 2015 17: 53
        Quote: Just BB
        Okay, "Aeroflot", the planes were leased (and then many have already "backfired" and "haunted") SO shells cannot be leased

        Do not worry, our traders will take even more, as well as planes.
    3. +1
      20 October 2015 07: 08
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile? I mean, this is my guess ...

      "But then I remembered that the 152-mm 'case' is the smallest one that can hold a tactical nuclear charge, and I stopped being perplexed."
      laughing read carefully ...
    4. +1
      20 October 2015 11: 01
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile? I mean, this is my guess ...


      Of course, Dear colleague Mera Joota, Kiriyenko will make such a state order out of "depleted gold". wassat
      1. 0
        20 October 2015 13: 00
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        Of course, my dear colleague Mera Joota, Kiriyenko will make the "depleted gold" for such a state order

        That's for sure, it will not rust ...
  3. +3
    20 October 2015 06: 03
    Well, how come the stocks of shells,
    so again our beloved Russian fun will begin - assault and rush.
    Although for starters it would be worthwhile to find out who is developing and making shells with us now?
    After all, it cannot be that we are still sitting on the Union’s reserves.
  4. +9
    20 October 2015 06: 04
    Author Yu.M. Shabalin, Candidate of Technical Sciences, excellent student of the socialist competition of the USSR Ministry of Mechanical Engineering, author of the low-operational technology for machining the “shells” of 152-mm artillery shells (copyright certificate No. 325326), low-operational group technology for the mass production of ammunition parts (AS No. 204742, 229202 , 241900), machining technology for “cumulative funnels” (AS No. 286581), technology for processing parts such as “feather” and “blade” (AS No. 217069) and others.


    - But all this does not have the slightest significance, since the author does not enter the circles of trust of some deputies with nine (at best) education classes behind him. And the uneducated "driver" of the plant will be able to do whatever he wants with the plant, as long as there is a "hairy hand" behind him. And, apparently, the solution is as simple and old as the world: so that the profits of the "shareholders" do not fall, most of the workers must be fired, the rest must be put in an impossible, truly Stakhanovian plan, and three quarters of the premises of the enterprise must be leased to firms and small firms air release - insurance and travel agencies, for example. I saw the same thing with my own eyes at the Ural Heavy Machine Building Plant (UZTM), which is located in Sverdlovsk (today - Yekaterinburg).
    1. +3
      20 October 2015 06: 47
      shopping center "Magistral", which occupies most of our administrative building.
      Quote: Haettenschweiler
      And, apparently, the solution is as simple and old as the world: so that the profits of the "shareholders" do not fall, most of the workers must be fired, the rest must be put in an impossible, truly Stakhanovian plan, and three quarters of the premises of the enterprise must be leased out to firms and small firms. air distributors - insurance and travel agencies,


      Yes, a hundred pounds it has already been done for a long time probably in the 90s
  5. +3
    20 October 2015 06: 10
    State money is not a pity?
    Eh, Yu.M. SHABALIN ... not in the state you are now ... you don’t feel sorry for anyone THIS money now ... request the cry of the soul of an old hard worker is understandable, but there are hundreds and hundreds of such factories in the country, and according to current technologies, building new lightweight buildings is much easier and cheaper than restoring old or abandoned ones. Yes and Demidov’s equipment is no longer worth cherishing, it's all a habit, and years then in the yard what? if you urgently need mass production, then not in the open-air fields with hundreds of thousands of workers, but with the latest CNC machines. but specialists such as Shabalin, - those who understand the soul of iron, now in the afternoon with fire ...
    1. 0
      20 October 2015 06: 12
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      and with current technologies, building new lightweight buildings is much easier and cheaper than restoring old or abandoned


      - This is not true.
      1. +3
        20 October 2015 06: 38
        Quote: Haettenschweiler

        - This is not true.

        yah??? that is, building new communications is harder and more expensive than restoring old and bombed ones, where all the wiring is in color, and the canal is twisted and collapsed? belay and repair of buildings in general, with a roof ??? do not tell my slippers!
        1. +1
          20 October 2015 07: 22
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          yah??? that is, building new communications is harder and more expensive than restoring old and bombed ones, where all the wiring is in color, and the canal is twisted and collapsed? and repair of buildings in general, with a roof ??? do not tell my slippers!


          - Even if we take the one you proposed as the initial version (and after all, not all plundered and ruined by "tricolor" factories are so bad), it still turns out cheaper, by eye, at least. I don’t know the subtleties and I don’t know (since I’m not involved in a special construction industry in any way), but based on simple logic, it turns out this: in the old plant, there is no need to build buildings and workshops (especially since we know that with what hands and with what quality this is being done today) - they already exist. The sewer system can be destroyed in workshops (pipes in plain sight, bathrooms, etc.), but pipes buried deep in the ground through which water is supplied and waste products are supposed to not suffer. Especially if the plant was originally for military purposes, where such things (as well as power supply systems) were made with a fair margin of safety. That is, underground electric highways, in my opinion, should also survive. The workshops already have ready-made, specially designed platforms for the installation of the appropriate equipment, there are beams for cranes, there is a well-thought out infrastructure in advance - or rather, a place and paths for it. Thus, in order to restore the plant, we need, as I think, to make high-quality repairs with durable materials in buildings and workshops, to install new equipment, to restore (and not re-lay) damaged communications.
          1. +3
            20 October 2015 08: 21
            Still, it was more complicated. I was at the factory where I worked until the collapse, and even around the enterprise. Nobody looked at the buildings, the equipment went to China at all the enterprises. Old equipment didn’t stand everywhere. I don’t have to pray for CNC equipment, although it stood a lot, with mechanical automation it also stood a lot with rolling and cam automation. It is still working in China. The main buildings have fallen into disrepair due to dampness and lack of supervision. And now what remains is used as private workshops. Yes and by the way the whole special tools and materials also went at the price of scrap metal, and there were only dozens of special steels there.
      2. +1
        20 October 2015 07: 03
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        It is not.

        Please justify, it became interesting ..
    2. +2
      20 October 2015 06: 58
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      understand the cry of the soul of the old hard worker,


      It would also be interesting to know what they did new over the past 20 years .. the closed topic often hides - emptiness ..
      1. +2
        20 October 2015 08: 04
        A lot has been done! But for some reason, they are afraid to patent in Russia, they may remember how many patents went abroad in 90-2000. There are many examples: the patents of Khaidurov and Razoryonov for sporting weapons went to Walter. This is just one example. Patents, or what was then called "Inventor's Certificates" were sold for many inventions and developments of the former USSR were secretly sold abroad.
        1. +1
          20 October 2015 10: 26
          And you forgive this institution related ?? It would be interesting firsthand so to speak .. hi
          1. +1
            20 October 2015 16: 04
            This is not specific, but the topic is familiar. And I know about the leaks by hearsay.
  6. 0
    20 October 2015 06: 14
    If the government hopes that foreign investment will come to the production of ammunition for the army, it is either naivety from a lack of horizons and education, or something worse. The article seems to return to the 90s, although, most likely, this is how it really is, as the author writes. The potential of the enterprise and the specialists who have been living and working for 25 years under the conditions of the "blockade" and the threat of destruction are surprising. Tula - in one word!
    The article begins with S.Ya. Marshak, and in this connection I remembered the lines from the popular song:

    "Do not ruin men, do not ruin!
    Do not chop wood, do not chop!
    For the sake of a rook,
    Do not chop hot!
    Don't chop, I say, don't chop! "

    The song was written long ago, and things are still there.
  7. -1
    20 October 2015 06: 25
    If only one institute was in this position ... All science trades in the market, doctors of science receive 15-20 thousand each.
    1. +4
      20 October 2015 07: 04
      Quote: Mikhail M
      All science trades in the bazaar,


      you are ten years behind ...
      1. 0
        21 October 2015 20: 13
        http://phdru.com/paycheck/salary2015/
        Anything to argue with? You can google yourself on this issue, links of darkness. Yes, and my friends doctors and candidates from earnings are not enthusiastic.
  8. 0
    20 October 2015 07: 28
    Koklyushkin would say: "It's a shame" ...
  9. +1
    20 October 2015 07: 38
    The authorities of the compradors sincerely believe that loot can solve any problem. Vorje acquired the industry, takes advantage of this.
  10. +3
    20 October 2015 07: 50
    In order to do something in industry, to restore production, first of all, it’s necessary to nationalize everything that belonged to the Minsrednemash, change the taxation system, prohibit all officials who have property abroad to hold public office. And introduce, as abroad, profit exceeding 7% It is considered superprofit and is withdrawn to state revenue. The aggregate tax and income tax from industrial enterprises should not exceed 13%. Entrepreneurs engaged in defense orders must have the same taxation conditions. Now in industry, taxation is about a ruble per ruble of profit received, and The Council of Ministers wants to sell off the remnants of state property so that it would be easier to cut and plunder the budget.
    1. +1
      20 October 2015 09: 47
      In order to truly change something, it is necessary to carry out deprivatization, nationalization and change the social system, at least to state capitalism, with emphasis on state, if socialism sits in one place.
      1. +2
        20 October 2015 10: 28
        Quote: NordUral
        In order to truly change something, it is necessary to carry out deprivatization, nationalization and change the social system, at least to state capitalism, with emphasis on state, if socialism sits in one place.

        We now have state-oligarchic capitalism one word left to remove .. and there and not far away "Soar the falcons with eagles .."
  11. 0
    20 October 2015 08: 18
    I think everything will be decided liberally, the oligarch will get a thread and control over the enterprise, then he will sell the majority stake to someone in the west, he will take out all the equipment and developments and close the enterprise, and then Putin will be the primchitsa and we will all know that he is happy about the defense of the country and the order will open the company again, saying a loud ayayai to the leaders, planting a couple ...
    1. +1
      20 October 2015 09: 43
      Just like yesterday with a Far Eastern fish. Everyone wondered why we feed on Norwegian carrion, and the Japanese, South Koreans and other Swedes eat ours from the clear expanses of the sea, and not fish that has been stewed in trays. I don’t even speak about the price of the fish that gets to our table.
      But here we are talking about the country's defense in a very troubled time, you read and only marvel at our longsuffering.
      Everywhere on the site of Soviet factories and research institutes are shopping centers and offices. When will this whip end?
  12. +2
    20 October 2015 09: 18
    Shopping centers are now being forged in Tula. The Governor is a trader, what else can he do?
    1. Fin
      +2
      20 October 2015 14: 15
      Quote: Million
      Shopping centers are now being forged in Tula. The Governor is a trader, what else can he do?

      You shouldn't be like that. For 10 years in a row I have been traveling to the Tula province. Significant changes for the better, every year I discover new roads and businesses. Under Gruzdev, a lot has been done. Here is only one of the zazhmash factories with "0" http://tulasmi.ru/news/41727
  13. +7
    20 October 2015 09: 38
    Which is already a bitter confirmation that our power is not our power. Balabol Rogozin Vostochny could not pass in the promised time, only cheeks inflated. In general, I got the impression that a treacherous pack of greedy for the national heritage sits in all its immense vertical and horizontal power. And do not give a damn about her country and people.
    1. 0
      21 October 2015 10: 41
      and in truth, but what about the oriental one - somehow the cosmodrome went into the shadows - competently so - hid first behind Ukraine and then behind Syria
  14. +1
    20 October 2015 09: 51
    A cry of one crying in the wilderness! Around there are only slogans and dough cuts, that the Vostochny spaceport is much more ... Nobody needs anything. AvtoVaz will also collapse to the end, in principle, have already turned it into something incomprehensible. Officials behave like invaders in their country, just tin ...
  15. +3
    20 October 2015 10: 31
    Quote: Fox
    Quote: Mera Joota
    Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile?

    Rosatom itself does nothing. There are no productions. Everything is placed by tender at third-party factories.

    Dear, where does such information come from? You go to the official website of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom and see how many enterprises and factories are part of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom. Here is a link to broaden horizons http://www.rosatom.ru/nuclearindustry/nuclear_structure/
  16. +1
    20 October 2015 11: 00
    A voice crying in the wilderness. Just empty it. The main trouble is not in corrupt officials and not in the thieves-oligarchs. The main problem is in the minds of those who gave their country to this scum. Most of the population, or rather the electorate, no longer deserves another name, their brains have been reformatted. Even the poorest unbiased comparative analysis of the state of the country "before the hump" and after immediately shows which system was more preferable for the people. But the electorate is no longer capable of even the simplest analysis. Total routine. To penetrate and make you think with your head, and not with the duodenum, the electorate must be hurt very much. But because Anibiotic has been in power for so long that he remembers well the thieves' commandment: "Greed has ruined the frayer," and so far has time to relieve the pain syndrome to the level of "not very painful" Well, he regularly conducts demonstration flogging of competitors, very beloved by the electorate. So, dear author (I am addressing without the slightest hint of malice), give up hope everyone who enters here. Your institute will become in demand according to its profile only when the world-eaters sense that with its help it will be possible to cut the dough, i.e. during the big war, selling shells at exorbitant prices. History moves in a spiral
  17. -1
    20 October 2015 11: 23
    Yes, it is so everywhere, with a few exceptions. The directors of the invaders rubbed the state property, destroyed it and for kickbacks in the Ministry of Defense they sell some kind of, in others they kind of corporatized "theirs" and handed over or sold everything for offices ... living on and having fun in a minefield ...
  18. +5
    20 October 2015 11: 47
    "No problems with specialists, because Polytechnic Institute closely related to the defense industry"...

    Hmm ... Yes, and there are already problems with him ...

    To begin with, they decided independence, pouring it into Tulga ... And there were only a few who wanted to study at the Polytechnic even in our town ... If earlier enterprises sent people to study at the Polytechnic at their own expense, they paid scholarships, now this is at least a dozen years, if not, since the enterprises that need graduates of the polytechnic have already gone bankrupt or are on the verge of bankruptcy ...

    Along with the problems pointed out by the author, there is one more problem concerning artillery shells ... In our city, a state-owned (!!!) enterprise, a chemical plant that previously produced gunpowder for artillery shells, was reset ... Now on its territory - Who the hell is that he releases on leased space, or stores as a warehouse base ...
    The equipment was stolen for the purpose of handing over the color meter (!!!) ... The same Rogozin three years ago came with a commission, wandered around the remains of the chemical plant, and came to the decision that it was easier to build a new production from scratch than to restore the stolen and destroyed ...

    But artillery gunpowder has expiration dates ... The wife who worked as a foreman in the powder shop says that even the last batches of gunpowder issued by them, their guarantees have already reached the critical border ...

    And we have few such plants in Russia (I said this softly) ...

    So, along with some positive successes in armament-rearmament, the problems are still higher than the roof, and I completely agree with the author in his painful attitude to what is going on even (!!!) in our defense industry ...

    I understand that the problems are higher than the roof, but all the same, thoughts about the necessity of the appearance of such a leader as Stalin and such a coordinating body as the State Planning Commission creep into my head ...
  19. +1
    20 October 2015 11: 58
    Tula forged weapons, forges and will forge. Despite all the difficulties. And when it was easy ..
    1. +5
      20 October 2015 13: 58
      Tula forged weapons, forges and will forge. Despite all the difficulties. And when it was easy ..
      I don’t want to see everything in black, but alas. Tungsten and tin mines are closed. Those enterprises that operate mainly send products abroad. In the Far East, titanium and iron ores go to China. Tin mines are closed. Rare-earth ore exploration is stopped . I do not know how the situation in the Urals, in the Far East, the mining industry aims to sell raw materials to China.
  20. +1
    20 October 2015 12: 05
    Yes, with what and with whom there are no problems now, under the dictation of the "partners" and for their nasty pieces of paper, so many were piled up that now, God forbid, to restore at least something. I don’t presume to judge what was left in Tula, especially since most of the factories there are post boxes. And what have you done with the Moscow machine-tool building? MZKRS - kirdyk, Krasny Proletarian, there was not even room left, Stanconormal practically died, instead of the plant named after Ordzhonikidze - the market SHAME !!! Yes, not only they and not only in Moscow, machines in scrap metal, workers out the door and either for demolition, like Stankolit and Red Proletarian, or for markets and offices. Where is the STANKIN Institute? What does it breathe?
    In a word, once you have taken up Armata, pull the entire industry, starting with educational institutions, otherwise in Taganrog you didn’t want to revive the technical school under the Be-200 release program, but revive the technical school, where are you to take personnel?
    It’s no longer even interesting to say that the democrats got into it.
    The main thing is that all the same in the end everything turned out as it should, and history, with the filing of "partners" has already judged who wants the country well, and who is selling skin.
  21. +3
    20 October 2015 13: 56
    Mr. Kiriyenko, who defaulted in 1998, was transferred to Rosatom to feed without any responsibility for what he had done. All the other gentlemen who had destroyed the military-industrial complex and civil industry were given other areas to feed, without any responsibility for what they had done. The author’s article is a cry crying in the wilderness. And do not make the governor’s heels laugh with such an appeal. As long as this gang doesn’t get rid or its people don’t take it away, they will steal, the punishment doesn’t threaten. The biggest year of house arrest with shopping time in two days and after parole, without sitting on a quiche.
  22. +1
    20 October 2015 14: 04
    Yes damn sad somehow, the liberals can be reached only with lead in the head. They do not understand these moral urodds that when the owner comes from the west their first and executes! They do not like traitors where.
  23. Are
    +1
    20 October 2015 15: 11
    One can only hope for the best .... soldier
  24. +1
    20 October 2015 19: 57
    Dear Andrey Yuryevich, “according to current technologies, it is much easier and cheaper to build new light buildings than to restore old or abandoned ones. And Demidov equipment is no longer worth cherishing, this is all a habit, but what are the years in the yard? if you urgently need mass production, then not in the open-air fields with hundreds of thousands of workers, but with the latest CNC machines. "The new lightweight body consists of a foundation, load-bearing metal structures that are prepared in advance, or are cooked on site from rolled stock, sandwich panels that must be brought from somewhere. And CNC machines in the course of hostilities, you will probably buy from the United States that have not canceled the Jacksom amendments -Venik or Germany, they are our “western partners.” Today, in Chistyakovskaya Grove in the city of Krasnodar, there was a rally of workers of the Sedin Machine-Tool Plant (once one of the largest manufacturers of CNC machine tools), who have not received their wages for a year.
  25. +1
    21 October 2015 00: 29
    Andrey Yuryevich! To write something like that, you need to know at least the basics of production. CNC machines require workers and adjusters of the highest qualifications. In order for him to do something, it must be adjusted. The training of personnel is disgusting. Those educational institutions work release "Specialists in Bubble Cutting". Look at what nonsense the Ministry of Education and Science has come up with on admission to technical universities this year. Who of sane graduates will go to take the second USE in physics and mathematics, with questions to which not every candidate or doctor of sciences will answer. This is the collapse of our industry. In the area where I live there were THREE vocational schools that graduated workers for various industries and construction, there was only one left, or rather not even a school, but a stream that graduated specialists for the food industry. bakers, chefs and pastry chefs. The rest bent down earlier. So building the buildings is not the most important thing, the most important thing. The most important thing is where ь qualified personnel?
  26. 0
    21 October 2015 07: 11
    Does the author want to convince us that they do not make shells? Generally?
    1. +4
      21 October 2015 08: 40
      The author wants to convince us that we have already come to the edge. If this continues, then not only shells, there will be nobody and nothing to forge the rest of the weapons with. I understand this article as such. And not only weapons.
  27. Maz
    +1
    21 October 2015 08: 50
    The horse limped - the commander was killed.
    The cavalry is broken - the army is running.
    The enemy enters the city, not sparing the captives,
    Because there was no nail in the smithy.
    (S. MARSHAK, "Nail and Horseshoe")

    I doubt the competence of the person who signs English poetry by the author - S. Marshak and puts them in the epigraph of the article ... With this beginning, there is no faith in everything else in the text.

    Original XNUMXth Century:
    For want of a nail the shoe was lost, For want of a shoe the horse was lost,
    For want of a horse rider was lost,
    For want of a rider the battle was lost,
    For want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
    And all for the want of horseshoe nail.
    1. +1
      21 October 2015 10: 46
      do you think it was necessary to write in the epigraph in the original, sign it by the original author, and let people break their brains? -translation into rhyme must also be able to fold and the author of the translation is a marshak
  28. +2
    21 October 2015 09: 51
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    - Only there will be no sense from this ...

    Will be!
    In man, the soul hurts for the cause. I am sure that he and people like him will be able to convey the authoritative word to the ears of the right ones. And if there are no people like him, then this will be a defeat.
    Respect and respect to the author.

    In general, only a professional has the right to criticize, only constructively, only loving.
  29. +1
    21 October 2015 10: 13
    Well, here again ROSTEKH. This sharaga manages to shit everywhere. A bunch of bastards and managers whose place is, at best, in the trading floor of "Magnet". They set up intermediary offices through which they are forced to work, they put in them the leaders of thieves boys with a foreign education who did not have the slightest idea about industrial production. And these ghouls, in turn, put their own kind only smaller in controlled enterprises. And voila: the new directors give out: why do we need them (technologists, skilled workers and engineers), let them knock down the fence, smart guys. And we will bring the Tajiks on a rotational basis. Or: Why do we need our own tool production, we will buy everything from China, there is a little cheaper. Or: And we will put cameras everywhere and watch who is working, we have a lot of free time so we will be on guard. Or: And we will take the material from the entogo intermediary, it is cheaper from him than at the manufacturer (!!!!!!! we will make a bullet out of shit with a predictable result). RESULT: the company surges and the gates open to achieve the desired financial result by selling equipment and renting out premises. CONCLUSIONS: the well-done director earned more than in the previous period, all the others are poop, they only interfere with work, the star enterprise (but it doesn't matter). Everything, the curtain.
  30. 0
    21 October 2015 11: 06
    from the field all-bad putinsl ...
  31. +1
    21 October 2015 12: 08
    Quote: shershen
    Yes, life does not teach people anything. As though not to catch oneself, as always, when it will be too late. We'll have to urgently order shells in China for non-fig money.

    In no case! Their shells in the guns will burst. China.
  32. +1
    21 October 2015 17: 10
    Yuri Mikhailovich, with the same result it was possible to address this letter to Lenin.
    Those who resolve issues already have different priorities - their money has long been withdrawn from the country, children and grandchildren live and study in Europe. They are not tuned to anything other than cuts.
    I’m afraid that the Institute will go on an endless list of defense industry enterprises that have already died. Do not toss beads in front of pigs.
  33. +1
    21 October 2015 17: 34
    Unfortunately, in addition to corruption, the Russian Federation is now even more entangled by "hucksters", and more and more often these "cries of the soul" will be perceived as routine, or in the format "... do not rock the boat!", Which is even worse !!!!
  34. +2
    21 October 2015 17: 50
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    And exactly everything that happened then is being repeated now, and on a much larger scale. It is not for nothing that it is now so fashionable for the "statesmen" to praise Tsarist Russia, cry over it and set it as an example everywhere and everywhere.

    Unfortunately, in modern Russia, the management of the country is used by people who are in no way responsible not only for deliberate harm to the country, but also simply incompetent in the issues they are called upon to deal with. The defense industry is an initially costly item of the budget and revenues from it, in the short term, mb. received only from sales abroad. But first, you need to provide yourself with the necessary products, but here the “effective managers” have a split and they follow the easiest path - to auction the enterprise, because if necessary, the state will allocate new money to replace the retired production. And this is an opportunity for a large "bite off" from the budget pie! And they are not at all interested in the country's defense capability for quite understandable reasons - they have already bought the "alternate airfield" on the territory of the "partner"
    who sharpens his grudge against his country. Therefore, it is necessary to recreate the State Defense Committee - the State Defense Committee, after all, in fact, the war is already underway, although Russia has not yet been bombed, but preparations are in full swing. And domestic "effective management" is like a worm gnawing at the roots of a tree in our state! Therefore, the "cry of the soul" of the author of the article is understandable - where mb. to save the budget, future huge costs are laid, and this is a minus to all social programs, health care, education and culture! stop
  35. DPN
    0
    21 October 2015 21: 13
    Unfortunately, this is not in the interests of Chubais and his associates; it is not for this that they have destroyed the industry of the COUNTRY.
  36. 0
    21 October 2015 21: 21
    Is it really one such production in our country in decline? As long as "effective managers" will "steer", there will be no leap forward, but it is now very much needed. CONCLUSION: GDP urgently needs to decide on "shift workers" and the like (Siberia is big!).
  37. 0
    22 October 2015 12: 41
    Gentlemen officials - pro-Western liberals successfully disrupt the rearmament of the army
  38. +1
    22 October 2015 14: 52
    - Tell the sovereign that the British do not clean their guns with a brick: even if they do not clean them with us, otherwise, God bless the war, they are not suitable to shoot. (C) Nikolai Leskov.
    It is bitter to read this letter, bitter for our "defense industry", and bitter for the respected Yuri Mikhailovich Shabalin, who has invested his whole life in the defense of our Motherland. It is no exaggeration to say that thanks to him, we are not bombed yet, and in the 90s they did not dare.
    I really want to grab the entire government by the scruff and poke its faces into the monitor on which this letter is open. One can only hope that someone’s hands are longer and reach their scruffy stubs as soon as the governors finish dispossessing.
    Health to you Yuri Mikhailovich.
    1. 0
      23 October 2015 03: 24
      Has anyone found work under copyright certificate numbers?

      the author of the low-operational technology for machining the “shells” of 152-mm artillery shells (copyright certificate No. 325326), the low-operational group technology for the mass production of ammunition parts (AS No. 204742, 229202, 241900), and the technology for machining the “cumulative funnels” (and .s. No. 286581), technology for processing parts such as "feather" and "blade" (A.S. No. 217069) and others.