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Tula forged weapons for centuries. And now?

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An open letter to an old projectile who cares for the "fire business"


Tula forged weapons for centuries. And now?


There was no nail - the horseshoe was gone.
There was no horseshoe - the horse limped.
The horse limped - the commander was killed.
The cavalry is broken - the army is running.
The enemy enters the city, not sparing the captives,
Because there was no nail in the smithy.
(S. MARSHAK, "Nail and Horseshoe")

In the army, the "nails" are artillery shells, and no matter how much they bury the artillery, it remains the "god of war." Evidence of this - all the wars and armed conflicts of our time. And because the shells should be enough to confront the likely opponent.

And in the shell industry this “nail” is TNITI. The state put it aside as useless and ruined, the state should return to life, because an urgent need has arisen. Without the most drastic measures, the institute will not survive the winter. But God forbid, these measures will be market. Not the case!

That's why I decided on this open letter. What if they publish it. Yes, read it Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin or Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu, or both together. I don’t even dream of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, although his question concerns most of all. We are talking about as much as the security of the country, the fate of those who managed to become famous tanks "Armata", the shell industry and the unique shell institute TNITI, which is living out its last days.

I have just returned from the meeting of shareholders of TNITI, where the question of the early resignation of the director was decided. When he reported to the team, he asked: what does he think about the prospects of the once powerful shell institute and production, designed to provide plants for the industry with new technologies, machines and non-standard equipment?

Surprisingly nothing intelligible said! But after, in order to get out of the crisis, I suggested reducing the number of workers, of which there was absolutely nothing left, and to rent out the last production space, I was no longer willing to ask, and I signed up for the dismissal. Naive! In conditions when several people who have the lion's share of shares decide everything, voting is a fiction. The director remained to complete the last act of our tragedy, stretching for twenty-five years.

But is this our only tragedy? I'll start "from the stove." Is everything okay with the project called “Armat”? I am not a tanker and I am not going to blaspheme a tank, perhaps, indeed, the best in the world. But in his gear case, as they say, he ate the dog. Thirty-six years engaged in the technology of mechanical processing of artillery shells and I know in detail what the mass production of ammunition.

However, in order. In accordance with the plans, before the 2020 of the year it is planned to adopt the Armata 2300 tanks, not counting the vehicles on its platform. Uralvagonzavod intends to manufacture 500 units per year. "Armata" is equipped with a 125-mm cannon with new BPS (armor-piercing-sifting projectiles) "Vacuum-1" is much longer than the existing ones. In addition, it was stated that this is a temporary solution and on the approach of the 152-mm gun, the shells of which “will burn the meter of steel”. And thus the tank for many years will become out of reach for competitors. Hearing this, I perk up, imagining how much work we have to do. They say that a shell institute will finally be in demand. It was not there.

Rosatom was entrusted with the development and production of new shells. Their tests, apparently, have already been conducted at the test site of the Nizhny Tagil Metal Testing Institute. At first, I wondered why NIMI, the developer of Soviet artillery shells, with whom TNITI as a technological institute was used to working in pairs, does not participate. But then I remembered that the 152-mm "body" is the smallest in which a tactical nuclear charge is placed, and stopped perplexing.

Doubt
Does Rosatom do or make a normal projectile? In the end, he can always invite developers from the same THEM. But what next?
Who and where they will produce, if the shell production is destroyed almost to the ground? For "Armat", passed on Red Square 9 in May, they can be made "on the knee", and for the whole "Armada"? Not to mention the fact that Rosatom has never engaged in the mass production of ammunition, and this is not such a simple matter as it may seem to laymans.

I am afraid that the shells made by the corporation will come out truly "golden." But isn't that the secret meaning of the transfer of a giant order to Kiriyenko? Everywhere and everywhere defense orders are considered the most profitable. And here it is also so “lucky”: the shell industry in the deepest crisis, barely breathes.

The production of artillery shells in my memory has already turned out to be in a similar position, according to the reforms of Nikita Khrushchev, who defeated the domestic artillery, and at the same time our industry. Is it possible to explain how we can destroy and take away? In the 1966 year, when a shell institute was organized in Tula, we had to start from scratch.

And by 1990, it was a truly unique institute with its machine-tool production with a capacity of up to 150 machine tools per year, as well as electroplating, paintwork, assembly lines, control devices. In short, non-standard equipment throughout the production cycle of ammunition - from billet to finish. 3500 workers, a branch of the Polytechnic Institute. Prepared their engineering and scientific personnel. Forty candidates of technical sciences exclusively from their employees.

And today we must begin with this. At the former shell plants a lot of free space, but the equipment is worn to the limit. In the 1985 year, we were going to completely replace it by the year 2000. You can imagine what his age is today, if not scrapped, sold, or taken apart for parts.

Maybe someone thinks to buy abroad? And the sanctions? Machines for slug production neither America nor Europe will not sell! Look at what machine tool plant put "Gildemeister" in Ulyanovsk - ECOLINE for someone, maybe good, but the "body" of the shells can not do them. Besides, judging by the fact that 1000 machines will make 200 workers, this is a screwdriver assembly.

How to convey to those on whom the defense capability and security of the state depend, that, before it is too late, it is necessary to restore TNITI at least in the former Soviet dimensions? Buy equipment for it, cherish it. There is no other way!

Dear Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin has visited Tula more than once and has never looked into TNITI. Would he consider it a labor to visit a long-suffering defense institute in his next visit? And you can also come specially, otherwise the poor fellow will not live - and there will be nothing to watch.

Honorly, he can’t do anything of what he did before — three hundred people, of whom nearly a hundred workers, not an army. We are talking about walls, factory buildings and traditions! If Moscow wants to revive shell production in Russia, it is impossible to do without a technological institute with a powerful machine-tool production.

Why not start the revival of the industry with TNITI? In Tula, you can still find specialists - “Tula has forged weapons for centuries!” But is it not possible to start in the same bare place? Someone will say: why not? The more money you spend, the more you can put in your pocket. And if the state? It was not for nothing that Tula was chosen as the location of the leading institute of the ammunition industry. There are no problems with specialists, because there is a polytechnic institute, which is closely connected with the defense industry. And before the machine-tool plants, which ordered equipment for the industry, located mainly in the Urals and Siberia, are within reach. In addition to the slugging machines, many others were needed - artillery shells do not consist of the same "hulls". By the way, we were engaged not only with shells, but with “melee combat”, and NURSs, and aerial bombs, and mines, a lot of things ...

In the meantime, we didn’t set up our own plant, we went to Leningrad for the shell machines, and then to Krasnodar, where we organized the production of the KM-816 and KM-817 machines developed by our designers. But what to say, ordering equipment for my plants, I traveled all over the European part of the Union: Kiev, Kharkov, Melitopol, Minsk, Vitebsk, Krasnodar, Leningrad, Ryazan, Moscow, Klin, Yegoryevsk, Saratov, Kuibyshev, Penza, Voronezh, Zhytomyr ... All The geography of the deceased machine tool industry at a glance! Some do not, and those are far away!

Dear A.A. Kallistov writes: “... in the USA, when modernizing the ammunition industry, in order to increase the efficiency of its operation on the basis of state-owned factories and enterprises (not operated by private firms), six head technology centers were established to develop, manufacture and improve the production technology of certain groups of ammunition and their components ”(“ Problem issues of innovative development of the industry of ammunition and special chemistry ”,“ Armament and economy ”, №1, 2013).

But after all, this is TNITI as it became at the peak of its development by the year 1991! Survived, Ph.D. and academician, who has worked all his life in the industry, is forced to refer to the United States, which in our time was trudging behind the back of the USSR, Germany and almost the whole of Europe ...

Kallistov continues: “In Soviet times, one of the most important components of the ammunition industry was its own machine-tool construction and design on this basis of technological chains of factories producing ammunition that satisfied modern progressive technologies and with the least labor costs allowed to produce the necessary amount of ammunition ... Unfortunately, our own machine tool industry in the ammunition industry in our country does not exist (and how much nkostroeniya and in the whole country - South), but because of the virtual absence of orders for the production of ammunition and their meager amounts involved in their production of frames required
there are no qualifications, as a rule. ” And where will they come from, if “only MGTU im. Bauman has a full-fledged department, training ammunition "?
Will graduates of this department go, for example, to the Upper Tour? And maybe they will go to Tula. Tula Technical University has not trained for a long time its personnel. Although it could.

The need to re-establish TNITI in its previous form, I argued in my speech at the meeting of shareholders. In addition to the director, there were two main shareholders on the presidium, representatives of Russian Technologies (or Rostec - I was already confused!) And the Magistral shopping center, which occupies most of our administrative building. It is clear that the merchant shells to the bulb. But after all, Rostec can not be relied on! Did the representative understand what I was talking about? Judging by the fact that he offered us to go to Vladikavkaz to deal with ferroalloys, it is unlikely. People asked: it turns out, do not need a shell institute? Presidium hesitated, it turned out - not needed. I had to make a statement: I need it more than ever!

Okay, I, Candidate of Technical Sciences, who has worked in the industry for thirty-six years, is the author of a number of inventions on the ammunition theme, among which, by the way, is the original technology of mechanical processing of the “shells” of the very 152-mm artillery shells that millions will need for “Armat” , for him not authority. Maybe he will listen to the full member RARAN A.A. Kallistovu? Or is his opinion not interested in Rostec?

***

I remember how in the nineties, in the euphoria of perestroika, which gave such evil fruits, TNITI wanted to reorient to completely alien products. Then the old, still Soviet, director invited the governor, led the workshops, said that he was an institute, what a unique phenomenon. There was still something to show.

But Starodubtsev can be explained - according to the Soviet skill, Vasily Aleksandrovich got used to listening, will it be possible to interpret officials from Rostec?
It would seem that everything is simple: 25 took care of TNITI enclosures for years until they were in demand. And this day has finally come. And what, again prefer to start from scratch, in Rosatom or somewhere else? Only not where the walls and traditions have survived!

State money is not a pity? If you revive the ammunition industry, the main expenditures are capital. It is foolish to restore the Institute of Technology with the production of sludge machines elsewhere. How many of our specialists, without waiting, ran up to Tula enterprises! There will be work, money will come - many will return. Yes, take me though ...

***

Rereading the lines, I find myself looking at it, do I not look funny? Some of my former colleagues perceived my attempts to reach the very top. Well, Tula Lefty was also funny, crying on his deathbed: “Tell the sovereign that the guns are not cleaned with a brick!” Well, they didn’t clean it!

Is it afraid to look ridiculous if the case is public?
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  1. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 October 2015 05: 49 New
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    In the article, I don’t even know how to react? Soul Cry for sure.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 20 October 2015 05: 58 New
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      - Only there will be no sense from this. Unfortunately. The official bastard is not happy for the interests of the Fatherland - their status in Swiss banks, their children study in English / American schools, their luxurious estates, bought with money stolen from Russian (mainly from the elderly and children - the most powerless creatures in our country) are in Spain or Cyprus ... they have absolutely no reason to relate to Russian and to Russia differently than the white English colonialist belonged to the native and the colony.
      1. Saburov
        Saburov 20 October 2015 06: 45 New
        +9
        A strange article, if not outdated ... looked at the source ... neither the date nor the specific names ... the main essence of the article is that everything is bad, but why and why and who is to blame is not written. I am aware that TNITI OJSC owed salaries to employees and investors, but for 2014 I managed to reduce my debt to 7 million rubles. I don’t know the situation at the moment, but back in October of the 2014 of the year there was an interview with the director S.V. Lavrushin
        From the interview ...

        -You produce original machines. The mechanical components for these machines, too, do it yourself. A logical question arises regarding the use of own resources for the manufacture of serial orders. Why not TNITI become a serial plant?

        “We did so.” Moreover, the manufacture of military products occupies 70% of the total. In this matter, TNITI does not act as a developer, but as a serial manufacturer of parts for shells and missiles for other plants. For the production of large series, there is still not enough capacity. But after the modernization of production facilities in Basovo, this will become possible.
        We are interested in this new function not only from a financial position. Although it is important. Serial production is a testing ground for testing new technological solutions, a school for training personnel. TNITI has all the conditions for diversification: production facilities, capacities, intelligence, proprietary technologies, experience and exclusive equipment.

        -How do you solve the personnel problem?

        - The worst situation is with the workers of the main specialties, there are not enough turners, squanders, milling machines. Technologists and designers are also very needed. For now, we are holding on to old staff who have returned to the enterprise. Gradually, young specialists also come, this year six students of Tula State University passed practice with us, and four graduates came to work. The enterprise interacts with the departments of instrument engineering, mechanical engineering technology, instrumental and metrological systems of TulSU, with which an agreement on scientific and technical cooperation is concluded.

        - Sergey Viktorovich, you are a former military man. How do you perceive the position of leader in civilian life? What is the hardest part here?

        - What is considered the most difficult? Yes, perhaps, there are enough difficulties in everything. Now we are just starting to revive our enterprise after a protracted crisis. Gradually we establish production, restore workshops, attract other plants and enterprises for cooperation, invite young specialists, but we will also be glad to good professionals with extensive experience and knowledge who can transfer their experience to young people.
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 20 October 2015 07: 43 New
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          Quote: Saburov
          From the interview ...


          - Why are you quoting this interview? I can quote many other, no less interesting interviews, for example, from Russian "statesmen." If you believe them, then our well-being in our country is cleaner than in the United Arab Emirates. Is it really? Is it worth unconditionally believing the words of the person who is first responsible for everything that happens at the plant? Or is it better to listen to the words "a man on the spot" who does not have and does not seek personal benefit for himself, talking about the situation?
          1. Saburov
            Saburov 20 October 2015 07: 50 New
            +6
            Whether it is looking for or not looking for this is a minor question, for example, accurate information on the enterprise is needed, and since he is talking about sabotage (otherwise you won’t call it), you need to name the surnames and dates more specifically so that there is someone to ask! For example, I did not find data on TNITI for this person, but I found his articles here http://vpk-news.ru/authors/5579
            1. Haettenschweiler
              Haettenschweiler 20 October 2015 07: 55 New
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              Quote: Saburov
              For example, we need accurate information on the enterprise and since he is talking about sabotage (otherwise you won’t call it), you need to give names and dates more specifically so that there is someone to ask!


              - I see, neither Vasilyeva nor Serdyukov taught you anything. There will be no demand from specific surnames and dates, as long as they "give to the paw" "who needs it." When they stop giving, another “switchman” will fall under the “press”, and the true culprits will sunbathe on the beaches of Mallorca. The system of bureaucratic lawlessness will never fight against itself. The clearest example of this is tsarist Russia from the 1800 years and up to the 1917 year. And exactly everything that was happening then is repeated now, and on a much larger scale. It is not for nothing that it is now fashionable for “statists” to praise tsarist Russia, cry for it and set it as an example everywhere and everywhere.
              1. Saburov
                Saburov 20 October 2015 08: 08 New
                +6
                Demand will always be ... it is a matter of time and patience. Why did I say that, who knows TNITI was the process of production automation going through or not? There is of course a suspicion that the state specifically bankrupts it in order to pick it up from the privatizers for cheap (the scheme has been implemented for a long time and has been working successfully and there are many examples). There are simply a lot of articles by Yu.M. Shabalin on various resources (see for yourself if you do not believe it) and they all come down to the one that as we asked .. if the USSR ... it was better before ... we all die and stuff ... I give some links
                http://www.odintsovo.info/white/blog.asp?id=4672
                http://www.duel.ru/200736/?36_3_1
                http://www.great-country.ru/rubrika_articles/ros/110226-04.html
                http://www.za-nauku.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1537
                So it’s not quite simple here ... an information war ... only a person from the enterprise can clarify the situation.
              2. shershen
                shershen 20 October 2015 23: 03 New
                +1
                Yes, life does not teach people anything. As though not to catch oneself, as always, when it will be too late. We'll have to urgently order shells in China for non-fig money.
              3. Yars
                Yars 21 October 2015 16: 06 New
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                Quote: Haettenschweiler
                Quote: Saburov
                For example, we need accurate information on the enterprise and since he is talking about sabotage (otherwise you won’t call it), you need to give names and dates more specifically so that there is someone to ask!


                - I see, neither Vasilyeva nor Serdyukov taught you anything. There will be no demand from specific surnames and dates, as long as they "give to the paw" "who needs it." When they stop giving, another “switchman” will fall under the “press”, and the true culprits will sunbathe on the beaches of Mallorca. The system of bureaucratic lawlessness will never fight against itself. The clearest example of this is tsarist Russia from the 1800 years and up to the 1917 year. And exactly everything that was happening then is repeated now, and on a much larger scale. It is not for nothing that it is now fashionable for “statists” to praise tsarist Russia, cry for it and set it as an example everywhere and everywhere.

                but I’m watching such people as Trotsky (Leiba Davidovich Branstein), Gorbachev with Yeltsin, Poroshenko and the oligarch team, they also don’t teach you anything, they told how badly people live under that power, they flooded the country with fraternal blood and drove the country into poverty. And people like you are trying to hang dogs on those who raise the country from their knees.
        2. Vovan Petrov
          20 October 2015 10: 41 New
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          Most likely, the article was written this year, since the plans for the release of Armata 2300 pcs became known only this year around Victory Day.
          Most likely, this is a meeting of shareholders of 30.06.2015. :
          http://www.gazprombank.ru/upload/iblock/78c/OSA_TNITI.pdf
          Although who knows, maybe there were other meetings ....
        3. veksha50
          veksha50 20 October 2015 19: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Saburov
          Strange article



          Hmm ... a strange polarity in the article and the interview you proposed ...

          If the interview with Lavrushin is true, then you should only be glad and wish TNITI only development and success ...

          PS And then after all, as you read articles like this, forever your heart begins to nag ...
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 20 October 2015 07: 39 New
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      I was there six months ago. The patient is more likely dead than alive.
    3. War and Peace
      War and Peace 20 October 2015 09: 15 New
      +7
      in general, Shells - the ammunition is half the tank, who needs a combat vehicle, fast, protected, but with limited combat qualities? On the other side, they are also thinking about defense and increasing their armor, so IMPROVEMENT OF AMMUNITION should ALWAYS be and such articles are here as if it’s hard to read from the time of the stool ...
    4. mihai_md2003
      mihai_md2003 22 October 2015 00: 46 New
      0
      Now grief patriots probably scratch the back of his head like that? It may not be about us. And for me, Vasilyeva has 1300 rings each, and Serdyukov’s type has nothing to change at all. I also recalled an article about the salaries of civil servants, which are the National Treasure ((((. Why should Miller or Sechin receive under 30 million a year each and not rubles? Until all these questions are answered, everything else will remain in decline.
      1. kayman4
        kayman4 22 October 2015 18: 01 New
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        I don’t understand people. Are you doing this like that? Nuclear shells - for a direct shot? And this is with a very awesomely developed artillery? Moreover, a tank shell and an artillery shell of even approximately the same caliber, say 125 and 122 mm — these are different things — they are not in favor of the tank.

        By the way, of all the people who believed the author - who looked at the regalia in the vicinity - "52-mm artillery shells (copyright certificate No. 325326), low-operational group technology for the mass production of ammunition parts (A.S.No. 204742, 229202, 241900), technologies for machining “cumulative funnels” (A.S. No. 286581), technologies for processing parts such as "feather" and "blade" (a.s. No. 217069)"?"
  2. Mera joota
    Mera joota 20 October 2015 05: 58 New
    +1
    The development and production of new shells was entrusted to Rosatom.

    Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile? I mean, this is my guess ...
    1. Fox
      Fox 20 October 2015 06: 31 New
      +9
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile?

      Rosatom itself does nothing. There are no productions. Everything is placed by tender at third-party factories.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 06: 46 New
        +7
        Quote: Fox
        Rosatom itself does nothing. There are no productions. Everything is placed by tender at third-party factories.


        then notice what a wonderful scheme for "cutting" the dough looms ...
        Although the article is similar to the cry of the soul, as it is not unambiguously everything happens, behind such sentimental articles are just ordinary denyuzhki not divided and not sawn, but as a rule it is signed by a person all in regalia ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 October 2015 06: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          then notice what a wonderful scheme for "cutting" the dough looms ...

          Didn't notice
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          , behind such sentimental articles are just ordinary denyuzhki not divided and not sawn,

          Everyone sees what he wants to see.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 07: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Didn't notice

            money is usually sawn through an intermediary who decides to whom to give the order, to whom not .. the more these links, the more difficult it is to look for ends .. it’s even surprising that I have to explain this wassat
            everyone sees what he wants to see.


            Unfortunately, the pink glasses have broken .. oh, you are our radiant
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 October 2015 14: 36 New
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        Quote: Fox
        Rosatom himself does nothing

        I think the answer lies in the personality of the head of ROSATOM - Sergey Kiriyenko. Yes, that same Kiriyenko, the prime minister of the Yeltsin government in 1998. Parents: Larisa Vasilievna Kiriyenko, Vladilen Yakovlevich Israel. Partisanship - The Union of Right Forces where Chubais was (Parents:Raisa Efimovna Sagal, Boris Matveevich Chubais) and Nemtsov (Parents:Dina Yakovlevna Eidman, Efim Davydovich Nemtsov), Gaidar, Gozman, Hakamada (Parents: Mutsuo Hakamada, Nina Iosifovna Sinelnikova) All these people in the eyes of most people are traitors to the country, sabotage.
        Isn’t it looking for a reason? What unites these people, except for partisanship? wink
        P.S. Hi Zema! hi
        1. kizhe
          kizhe 21 October 2015 13: 01 New
          +1
          We remember this "kinder surprise". That one is still a hookmaker.
    2. Just BB
      Just BB 20 October 2015 06: 37 New
      +7
      It’s now fashionable: “We will destroy the whole world, and then we will build our new one” - it’s easier to “join” the budget - you don’t seem to steal it, it’s busy with business, well, there are costs in the new business ... It's like with SuperJet it turned out - they gave the “combat” design bureau a development, and the “civilians” remained idle, although the latter had enough groundwork, it remained to be completed. Well, what does the SD look like (and in monetary terms, too), but where are the Tupolev and Ilyushin cars? Okay, “Aeroflot”, the aircraft were leased (and many already “haggled” and “haggle”) SO you will not take shells on lease
      1. bastard
        bastard 20 October 2015 17: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Just VV
        Okay, “Aeroflot”, the aircraft scored on a lease (and then many already “backfired” and “backfired”) SO you can’t take out leasing shells

        Do not worry, our traders will take even more, as well as planes.
    3. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 07: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile? I mean, this is my guess ...

      “But then I remembered that the 152-mm“ case ”was the smallest in which a tactical nuclear charge was placed, and I ceased to be perplexed.”
      laughing read carefully ...
    4. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 20 October 2015 11: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile? I mean, this is my guess ...


      Of course, the Dear colleague of Mera Joota, Kiriyenko will also make “depleted gold” for such a government order. wassat
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 20 October 2015 13: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        Of course, the Dear colleague of Mera Joota, Kiriyenko and from "depleted gold" for such a government order will make

        That's for sure, it will not rust ...
  3. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 October 2015 06: 03 New
    +3
    Well, how come the stocks of shells,
    so again our beloved Russian fun will begin - assault and rush.
    Although for starters it would be worthwhile to find out who is developing and making shells with us now?
    After all, it cannot be that we are still sitting on the Union’s reserves.
  4. Haettenschweiler
    Haettenschweiler 20 October 2015 06: 04 New
    +9
    Author Yu.M. Shabalin, Candidate of Technical Sciences, excellent student of the socialist competition of the USSR Ministry of Mechanical Engineering, author of the low-operational technology for machining the “shells” of 152-mm artillery shells (copyright certificate No. 325326), low-operational group technology for the mass production of ammunition parts (AS No. 204742, 229202 , 241900), machining technology for “cumulative funnels” (AS No. 286581), technology for processing parts such as “feather” and “blade” (AS No. 217069) and others.


    - But all this does not matter at all, since the author is not in the circle of trust of any deputies with nine (at best) education classes behind them. And the illiterate "driver" of the plant with his hands will be able to do whatever he wants with the plant, while the "hairy hand" is behind him. And, apparently, the decision is simple and old, like the world: in order for the “shareholders” to not fall, you need to lay off most of the workers, rest the impossible, truly Stakhanov plan for the rest, and lease out three quarters of the premises of the enterprise to long-term firms and firms producing air - insurance and travel agencies, for example. About the same thing I saw with my own eyes at the Ural Heavy Machinery Plant (UZTM), which is located in Sverdlovsk (today - Yekaterinburg).
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 06: 47 New
      +3
      shopping center "Magistral", which occupies most of our administrative building.
      Quote: Haettenschweiler
      And, apparently, the decision is simple and old, like the world: in order for the “shareholders” to not fall, you need to lay off most of the workers, rest the impossible, truly Stakhanov plan for the rest, and lease out three quarters of the premises of the enterprise to long-term firms and firms producing air - insurance and travel agencies,


      Yes, a hundred pounds it has already been done for a long time probably in the 90s
  5. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 20 October 2015 06: 10 New
    +3
    State money is not a pity?
    Eh, Yu.M. SHABALIN ... not in the state you are now ... you don’t feel sorry for anyone THIS money now ... request the cry of the soul of an old hard worker is understandable, but there are hundreds and hundreds of such factories in the country, and according to current technologies, building new lightweight buildings is much easier and cheaper than restoring old or abandoned ones. Yes and Demidov’s equipment is no longer worth cherishing, it's all a habit, and years then in the yard what? if you urgently need mass production, then not in the open-air fields with hundreds of thousands of workers, but with the latest CNC machines. but specialists such as Shabalin, - those who understand the soul of iron, now in the afternoon with fire ...
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 20 October 2015 06: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      and with current technologies, building new lightweight buildings is much easier and cheaper than restoring old or abandoned


      - This is not true.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 October 2015 06: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Haettenschweiler

        - This is not true.

        yah??? that is, building new communications is harder and more expensive than restoring old and bombed ones, where all the wiring is in color, and the canal is twisted and collapsed? belay and repair of buildings in general, with a roof ??? do not tell my slippers!
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 20 October 2015 07: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          yah??? that is, building new communications is harder and more expensive than restoring old and bombed ones, where all the wiring is in color, and the canal is twisted and collapsed? and repair of buildings in general, with a roof ??? do not tell my slippers!


          - Even if you take as your initial option the proposed by you (and after all, not all looted and ruined “tricolor” plants are so in poor condition), it still turns out cheaper, by eye, at least. I don’t know the subtleties and I can’t know (since I’m not involved in the special construction industry in any way), but based on simple logic, this is what works: you don’t need to build buildings and workshops in the old factory (especially since we know with what hands and with what quality this is being done today) - they already exist. The sewer system can be destroyed in workshops (pipes in plain sight, bathrooms, etc.), but pipes buried deep in the ground through which water is supplied and waste products are supposed to not suffer. Especially if the plant was originally for military purposes, where such things (as well as power supply systems) were made with a fair margin of safety. That is, underground electric highways, in my opinion, should also survive. The workshops already have ready-made, specially designed platforms for the installation of the appropriate equipment, there are beams for cranes, there is a well-thought out infrastructure in advance - or rather, a place and paths for it. Thus, in order to restore the plant, we need, as I think, to make high-quality repairs with durable materials in buildings and workshops, to install new equipment, to restore (and not re-lay) damaged communications.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 20 October 2015 08: 21 New
            +3
            Still, it was more complicated. I was at the factory where I worked until the collapse, and even around the enterprise. Nobody looked at the buildings, the equipment went to China at all the enterprises. Old equipment didn’t stand everywhere. I don’t have to pray for CNC equipment, although it stood a lot, with mechanical automation it also stood a lot with rolling and cam automation. It is still working in China. The main buildings have fallen into disrepair due to dampness and lack of supervision. And now what remains is used as private workshops. Yes and by the way the whole special tools and materials also went at the price of scrap metal, and there were only dozens of special steels there.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 07: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        It is not.

        Please justify, it became interesting ..
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 06: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      understand the cry of the soul of the old hard worker,


      It would also be interesting to know what they did new over the past 20 years .. the closed topic often hides - emptiness ..
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 20 October 2015 08: 04 New
        +2
        Much has been done! But for some reason, they are afraid to patent in Russia, they may remember how many patents went abroad in 90-2000. There are many examples: the patents for Khaidurov and Razorenov for sports weapons went to Walter. This is just one example. Patents, or what was then called "Copyright certificates" were sold to many inventions and developments of the former USSR were secretly sold abroad.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 10: 26 New
          +1
          And you forgive this institution related ?? It would be interesting firsthand so to speak .. hi
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 20 October 2015 16: 04 New
            +1
            This is not specific, but the topic is familiar. And I know about the leaks by hearsay.
  6. 1536
    1536 20 October 2015 06: 14 New
    0
    If the government hopes that foreign investment will come in the production of ammunition for the army, then this is either naivete from a lack of horizons and education, or something worse. The article seems to be returning to 90, although, apparently, the way it really is, as the author writes. Surprising is the potential of the enterprise and specialists who have lived and worked for 25 years under the conditions of a “blockade” and the threat of destruction. Tulaki - in a word!
    The article begins with S.Ya. Marshak, and in this connection I remembered the lines from the popular song:

    "Do not destroy men, do not destroy!
    Do not chop wood, do not chop!
    For the sake of a rook,
    Do not chop hot!
    Do not chop, I say, do not chop! "

    The song was written long ago, and things are still there.
  7. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 20 October 2015 06: 25 New
    -1
    If only one institute was in this position ... All science trades in the market, doctors of science receive 15-20 thousand each.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 07: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: Michael m
      All science trades in the bazaar,


      you are ten years behind ...
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 21 October 2015 20: 13 New
        0
        http://phdru.com/paycheck/salary2015/
        Anything to argue with? You can google yourself on this issue, links of darkness. Yes, and my friends doctors and candidates from earnings are not enthusiastic.
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 20 October 2015 07: 28 New
    0
    Koklyushkin would say: "It's a shame" ...
  9. bunta
    bunta 20 October 2015 07: 38 New
    +1
    The authorities of the compradors sincerely believe that loot can solve any problem. Vorje acquired the industry, takes advantage of this.
  10. Amurets
    Amurets 20 October 2015 07: 50 New
    +3
    In order to do something in industry, to restore production, first of all, it’s necessary to nationalize everything that belonged to the Minsrednemash, change the taxation system, prohibit all officials who have property abroad to hold public office. And introduce, as abroad, profit exceeding 7% It is considered superprofit and is withdrawn to state revenue. The aggregate tax and income tax from industrial enterprises should not exceed 13%. Entrepreneurs engaged in defense orders must have the same taxation conditions. Now in industry, taxation is about a ruble per ruble of profit received, and The Council of Ministers wants to sell off the remnants of state property so that it would be easier to cut and plunder the budget.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 October 2015 09: 47 New
      +1
      In order to truly change something, it is necessary to carry out deprivatization, nationalization and change the social system, at least to state capitalism, with emphasis on state, if socialism sits in one place.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 10: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        In order to truly change something, it is necessary to carry out deprivatization, nationalization and change the social system, at least to state capitalism, with emphasis on state, if socialism sits in one place.

        We now have state-oligarchic capitalism left with one word to remove .. and there and not far away "Fly falcons with eagles .."
  11. Shurale
    Shurale 20 October 2015 08: 18 New
    0
    I think everything will be decided liberally, the oligarch will get a thread and control over the enterprise, then he will sell the majority stake to someone in the west, he will take out all the equipment and developments and close the enterprise, and then Putin will be the primchitsa and we will all know that he is happy about the defense of the country and the order will open the company again, saying a loud ayayai to the leaders, planting a couple ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 October 2015 09: 43 New
      +1
      Just like yesterday with a Far Eastern fish. Everyone wondered why we feed on Norwegian carrion, and the Japanese, South Koreans and other Swedes eat ours from the clear expanses of the sea, and not fish that has been stewed in trays. I don’t even speak about the price of the fish that gets to our table.
      But here we are talking about the country's defense in a very troubled time, you read and only marvel at our longsuffering.
      Everywhere on the site of Soviet factories and research institutes are shopping centers and offices. When will this whip end?
  12. Million
    Million 20 October 2015 09: 18 New
    +2
    In Tula, shopping centers are now “forged”. The governor is a trade manager, what else can he do?
    1. Fin
      Fin 20 October 2015 14: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Million
      In Tula, shopping centers are now “forged”. The governor is a trade manager, what else can he do?

      You shouldn’t be so. I’ve been traveling to the Tula province for 10 years in a row. Significant changes for the better, every year I discover new roads and enterprises. Under Gruzdev a lot was done. Here is only one of the heavy-duty factories with "0" http://tulasmi.ru/news/41727
  13. NordUral
    NordUral 20 October 2015 09: 38 New
    +7
    Which is already a bitter confirmation that our power is not our power. Balabol Rogozin Vostochny could not pass in the promised time, only cheeks inflated. In general, I got the impression that a treacherous pack of greedy for the national heritage sits in all its immense vertical and horizontal power. And do not give a damn about her country and people.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 21 October 2015 10: 41 New
      0
      and in truth, but what about the oriental one - somehow the cosmodrome went into the shadows - competently so - hid first behind Ukraine and then behind Syria
  14. derik1970
    derik1970 20 October 2015 09: 51 New
    +1
    A cry of one crying in the wilderness! Around there are only slogans and dough cuts, that the Vostochny spaceport is much more ... Nobody needs anything. AvtoVaz will also collapse to the end, in principle, have already turned it into something incomprehensible. Officials behave like invaders in their country, just tin ...
  15. novikov64
    novikov64 20 October 2015 10: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: Fox
    Quote: Mera Joota
    Maybe because it will be a depleted uranium core projectile?

    Rosatom itself does nothing. There are no productions. Everything is placed by tender at third-party factories.

    Dear, where does such information come from? You go to the official website of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom and see how many enterprises and factories are part of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom. Here is a link to broaden horizons http://www.rosatom.ru/nuclearindustry/nuclear_structure/
  16. Velikoruss
    Velikoruss 20 October 2015 11: 00 New
    +1
    A voice crying in the desert. Just empty it. The main trouble is not in corrupt officials and not in oligarch thieves. The main problem is in the heads of those who gave their country to this scum. The majority of the population, or rather the electorate, no longer deserves a different name, their brains are reformatted. Even the most unprejudiced, unbiased comparative analysis of the state of the country “before the hunchback” and immediately shows which system was more preferable for the people. But even the simplest analysis, the electorate is no longer capable. Total routine. In order to penetrate and make one think with the head, and not with the duodenum, the electorate must be hurt very much. But because Anibiotic has been in power for so long, he remembers the thief’s commandment well: “Fraer’s greed has destroyed” and still manages to remove the pain syndrome to the level of “it’s not very painful”. Well, the electors ’very favorite electorate regularly flogs competitors. So, Dear author (I appeal without the slightest hint of malice), give up hope to everyone who comes in here. Your institute will become in demand on the profile only when the world-eaters feel that with its help it will be possible to chop dough, i.e. during the great war, selling shells at a price. History Spirals
  17. IAlex
    IAlex 20 October 2015 11: 23 New
    -1
    Yes, it’s everywhere with a few exceptions. The directors, the invaders poked the state property, destroyed it and for some kickbacks they put in some kind of MO, in others they seemed to corporatize "their own" and all were sold or sold to offices ... T.ch. We live further and have fun in the minefield ...
  18. veksha50
    veksha50 20 October 2015 11: 47 New
    +5
    "No problems with specialists, because Polytechnic Institute closely related to the defense industry"...

    Hmm ... Yes, and there are already problems with him ...

    To begin with, they decided independence, pouring it into Tulga ... And there were only a few who wanted to study at the Polytechnic even in our town ... If earlier enterprises sent people to study at the Polytechnic at their own expense, they paid scholarships, now this is at least a dozen years, if not, since the enterprises that need graduates of the polytechnic have already gone bankrupt or are on the verge of bankruptcy ...

    Along with the problems pointed out by the author, there is one more problem concerning artillery shells ... In our city, a state-owned (!!!) enterprise, a chemical plant that previously produced gunpowder for artillery shells, was reset ... Now on its territory - Who the hell is that he releases on leased space, or stores as a warehouse base ...
    The equipment was stolen for the purpose of handing over the color meter (!!!) ... The same Rogozin three years ago came with a commission, wandered around the remains of the chemical plant, and came to the decision that it was easier to build a new production from scratch than to restore the stolen and destroyed ...

    But artillery gunpowder has expiration dates ... The wife who worked as a foreman in the powder shop says that even the last batches of gunpowder issued by them, their guarantees have already reached the critical border ...

    And we have few such plants in Russia (I said this softly) ...

    So, along with some positive successes in armament-rearmament, the problems are still higher than the roof, and I completely agree with the author in his painful attitude to what is going on even (!!!) in our defense industry ...

    I understand that the problems are higher than the roof, but all the same, thoughts about the necessity of the appearance of such a leader as Stalin and such a coordinating body as the State Planning Commission creep into my head ...
  19. roskot
    roskot 20 October 2015 11: 58 New
    +1
    Tula forged weapons, forges and will forge. Despite all the difficulties. And when it was easy ..
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 20 October 2015 13: 58 New
      +5
      Tula forged weapons, forges and will forge. Despite all the difficulties. And when it was easy ..
      I don’t want to see everything in black, but alas. Tungsten and tin mines are closed. Those enterprises that operate mainly send products abroad. In the Far East, titanium and iron ores go to China. Tin mines are closed. Rare-earth ore exploration is stopped . I do not know how the situation in the Urals, in the Far East, the mining industry aims to sell raw materials to China.
  20. Romanenko
    Romanenko 20 October 2015 12: 05 New
    +1
    Yes, with what and with whom there is no problem now, under the dictation of the "partners" and for their filthy pieces of paper, so much was corrupted that now, God forbid, at least restore something. I do not presume to judge what remains in Tula, especially since most of the plants there are mailboxes. And what did you do with the Moscow machine-tool industry? MZKRS - kirdyk, Red Proletarian, there was not even a place left, Stankonormal almost died, instead of the plant named after Ordzhonikidze - the market POSOR !!! Yes, not only they and not only in Moscow, machine tools for scrap metal, workers at the door and either for demolition, like Stankolit and Krasny Proletary, or for markets and offices. Where is the STANKIN Institute? What breathes?
    In a word, once you have taken up Armata, pull the entire industry, starting with educational institutions, otherwise in Taganrog you didn’t want to revive the technical school under the Be-200 release program, but revive the technical school, where are you to take personnel?
    It’s no longer even interesting to say that the democrats got into it.
    The main thing is that in the end everything turned out as it should, and the story, from the submission of the "partners", has already judged who wants good for the country and who sells the skin.
  21. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 20 October 2015 13: 56 New
    +3
    Mr. Kiriyenko, who defaulted in 1998, was transferred to Rosatom to feed without any responsibility for what he had done. All the other gentlemen who had destroyed the military-industrial complex and civil industry were given other areas to feed, without any responsibility for what they had done. The author’s article is a cry crying in the wilderness. And do not make the governor’s heels laugh with such an appeal. As long as this gang doesn’t get rid or its people don’t take it away, they will steal, the punishment doesn’t threaten. The biggest year of house arrest with shopping time in two days and after parole, without sitting on a quiche.
  22. bear
    bear 20 October 2015 14: 04 New
    +1
    Yes damn sad somehow, the liberals can be reached only with lead in the head. They do not understand these moral urodds that when the owner comes from the west their first and executes! They do not like traitors where.
  23. Are
    Are 20 October 2015 15: 11 New
    +1
    One can only hope for the best .... soldier
  24. Sergei 68
    Sergei 68 20 October 2015 19: 57 New
    +1
    Dear Andrei Yurievich, "according to current technologies, it is much easier and cheaper to build new lightweight buildings than to restore old or abandoned ones. Yes and Demidovskoye equipment is no longer worth cherishing, it's all a habit, and what years are there in the yard? if you urgently need mass production, then not in the open-air fields with hundreds of thousands of workers, but with the latest CNC machines. "The new lightweight building consists of a foundation, bearing metal structures that are prepared in advance, or are welded on-site from the rental, sandwich panels that need to be brought from somewhere. And CNC machines during the fighting, you probably buy from the United States that did not cancel the Jacks amendment - Vanika or Germany, they are our “western partners.” Today in the Chistyakovskaya grove of the city of Krasnodar there was a rally of workers at the Sedin machine-tool factory (once one of the largest manufacturers of CNC machine tools) who have not received a salary for a year now.
  25. Amurets
    Amurets 21 October 2015 00: 29 New
    +1
    Andrei Yuryevich! In order to write this, you need to know at least the basics of production. CNC machines require workers and adjusters of the highest qualification. That he himself do something, you need to set it up. The training of personnel is disgusting. Those educational institutions that work graduate of the "Bubble Cutting Specialists". You look at what nonsense they came up with at the Ministry of Education and Science for entering technical universities this year. Which of the sane graduates will go to take the second exam in physics and mathematics, with questions for which not every candidate or doctor of science answer. This is the collapse of our industry. In the area where I live there were THREE vocational schools that graduated workers for various industries and construction, there was one thing left, or rather not even a school, but a stream that graduated specialists for the food industry. Now it bends as there was an overproduction of bakers, cooks and pastry chefs. The others bent earlier. So to build buildings is not the most important thing, the most important thing. The most important thing is where to get qualified personnel?
  26. Hammer
    Hammer 21 October 2015 07: 11 New
    0
    Does the author want to convince us that they do not make shells? Generally?
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 21 October 2015 08: 40 New
      +4
      The author wants to convince us that we have already come to the edge. If this continues, then not only shells, there will be nobody and nothing to forge the rest of the weapons with. I understand this article as such. And not only weapons.
  27. Maz
    Maz 21 October 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    The horse limped - the commander was killed.
    The cavalry is broken - the army is running.
    The enemy enters the city, not sparing the captives,
    Because there was no nail in the smithy.
    (S. MARSHAK, "Nail and Horseshoe")

    I doubt the competence of the person who signs English poetry by the author - S. Marshak and puts them in the epigraph of the article ... With this beginning, there is no faith in everything else in the text.

    Original XNUMXth Century:
    For want of a nail the shoe was lost, For want of a shoe the horse was lost,
    For want of a horse the rider was lost,
    For want of a rider the battle was lost,
    For want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
    And all for the want of horseshoe nail.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 21 October 2015 10: 46 New
      +1
      do you think it was necessary to write in the epigraph in the original, sign it by the original author, and let people break their brains? -translation into rhyme must also be able to fold and the author of the translation is a marshak
  28. Shuttle
    Shuttle 21 October 2015 09: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    - Only there will be no sense from this ...

    Will be!
    In man, the soul hurts for the cause. I am sure that he and people like him will be able to convey the authoritative word to the ears of the right ones. And if there are no people like him, then this will be a defeat.
    Respect and respect to the author.

    In general, only a professional has the right to criticize, only constructively, only loving.
  29. trophy
    trophy 21 October 2015 10: 13 New
    +1
    Well, ROSTECH again. This sharaga everywhere manages to spoil. A bunch of ushlepok and managery a place which at best in the trading floor of "Magnet". The intermediary offices were cooked up through which they were forced to work, they were thrown into them by the leaders of thieves' boys with foreign education who had no idea about industrial production. And these ghouls, in turn, are planted in controlled enterprises of their own kind only smaller. And voila: they give out new directors: but why should they (technologists, skilled workers and engineers) bring down the fence, wise guys. And we will bring Tajiks on a rotational basis. Or: Why do we need our own tool production, we will buy everything from China, a little cheaper there. Or: And we will put cameras everywhere and we will look who works how, we have the same sea of ​​free time and here we will watch. Or: And we will take material from this intermediary, it is cheaper from him than at the manufacturer (!!!!!!! we will make a bullet from shit with a pre-predicted result). RESULT: the company surges up and the gates open to achieve the desired financial result by selling equipment and renting out premises. CONCLUSIONS: Direchtur-Molodets earned more than in the previous period, all the rest are poop dogs, they only interfere with work, the enterprise is a star (but this doesn’t matter). Everything, the curtain.
  30. San_jok
    San_jok 21 October 2015 11: 06 New
    0
    from the field all-bad putinsl ...
  31. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 21 October 2015 12: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: shershen
    Yes, life does not teach people anything. As though not to catch oneself, as always, when it will be too late. We'll have to urgently order shells in China for non-fig money.

    In no case! Their shells in the guns will burst. China.
  32. Atemzug
    Atemzug 21 October 2015 17: 10 New
    +1
    Yuri Mikhailovich, with the same result it was possible to address this letter to Lenin.
    Those who resolve issues already have different priorities - their money has long been withdrawn from the country, children and grandchildren live and study in Europe. They are not tuned to anything other than cuts.
    I’m afraid that the Institute will go on an endless list of defense industry enterprises that have already died. Do not toss beads in front of pigs.
  33. Thor
    Thor 21 October 2015 17: 34 New
    +1
    Unfortunately, besides corruption, the Russian Federation is now even more embraced by "traders", and increasingly these "cries of the soul" will be perceived as commonplace, or in the format "... do not rock the boat!", Which is even worse !!!!
  34. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 21 October 2015 17: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    And exactly everything that was happening then is repeated now, and on a much larger scale. It is not for nothing that it is now fashionable for “statists” to praise tsarist Russia, cry for it and set it as an example everywhere and everywhere.

    Unfortunately, in modern Russia, the country's governance is used by people who are in no way responsible not only for the deliberate harm to the country, but simply incompetent in the issues they are called upon to deal with. The defense industry is an initially expensive budget item and revenues from it, in the short term, m. received only from sales abroad. But first you need to provide yourself with the right products, and here the "effective managers" split up and they go the easiest way - to put the company under the hammer, because if necessary the state will allocate new money to replace the retired production. And this is an opportunity for a large "bite" from the budget cake! And the country's defense capability is not at all of interest to them for obvious reasons - the "alternate airfield" they have already purchased on the territory of the "partner"
    who grinds a tooth on his country. Therefore, it is necessary to recreate the GKO - the state defense committee, because the war is actually already underway, although Russia has not yet been bombed, but it is being prepared with might and main. And the domestic "effective management" is like a worm that nibbles the roots of the tree of our state! Therefore, the "cry of the soul" of the author of the article is clear - where m. to save the budget, huge future costs are being laid, and this is a minus to all social programs, health care, education and culture! stop
  35. DPN
    DPN 21 October 2015 21: 13 New
    0
    Unfortunately, this is not in the interests of Chubais and his associates; it is not for this that they have destroyed the industry of the COUNTRY.
  36. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 21 October 2015 21: 21 New
    0
    Is this one production in decline? While “effective managers” will “steer”, there will not be a breakthrough ahead, but now it is very necessary. CONCLUSION: GDP needs to be decided urgently with “shift workers” and the like (Siberia is big!).
  37. 35lisment35
    35lisment35 22 October 2015 12: 41 New
    0
    Gentlemen officials - pro-Western liberals successfully disrupt the rearmament of the army
  38. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 22 October 2015 14: 52 New
    +1
    - Tell the sovereign that the British do not clean their guns with a brick: even if they do not clean them with us, otherwise, God bless the war, they are not suitable to shoot. (C) Nikolai Leskov.
    It’s bitter to read this letter, bitterly for our “defense industry”, and bitterly for the respected Yuri Mikhailovich Shabalin, who has put his whole life into the defense of our Motherland. Without exaggeration, we can say that thanks to him, we have not yet been bombed, and in 90x we did not dare.
    I really want to grab the entire government by the scruff and poke its faces into the monitor on which this letter is open. One can only hope that someone’s hands are longer and reach their scruffy stubs as soon as the governors finish dispossessing.
    Health to you Yuri Mikhailovich.
    1. kayman4
      kayman4 23 October 2015 03: 24 New
      0
      Has anyone found work under copyright certificate numbers?

      the author of the low-operational technology for machining the “shells” of 152-mm artillery shells (copyright certificate No. 325326), the low-operational group technology for the mass production of ammunition parts (AS No. 204742, 229202, 241900), and the technology for machining the “cumulative funnels” (and .s. No. 286581), technology for processing parts such as "feather" and "blade" (A.S. No. 217069) and others.