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Chinese drones in service in the Iraqi army

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Apparently, the Chinese defense industry has achieved significant success in promoting domestic low-budget reconnaissance and drone drones CH-4 to the international market, produced by China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), the French TTU newsletter writes.


Chinese drones in service in the Iraqi army


"After Nigeria (Apparently, the error - Nigeria, according to known data, has acquired the lighter CH-3 UAVs of the same manufacturer)The 23 January 2015, the three CH-4 UAVs received Iraq. This is a modification of the CH-4B, the payload of which is 345 kg compared to 114 kg in variant A. This modification can use HJ-10 ATGM, laser-guided missiles Lan Jian 7, as well as guided bombs of LT or TG100 types (in fact, judging by the developer’s data and photographs, the CASC’s own CASC special guided munitions are used on the CH series UAVs)"- the blog leads message bmpd (in brackets - blogger comments).



The drones that are part of the Iraqi Air Force are used against the IG from the Al Kut airbase. According to the Ministry of Defense of Iraq, they can rise to an altitude of 7,5 km, their autonomy reaches 30 an hour.

It is noted that relatively simple control stations are required for this type of UAV. However, at the moment the control function is performed by the Chinese themselves.
Photos used:
министерство обороны Ирака (via Jane`s)
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  1. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 19 October 2015 12: 07 New
    11
    The Chinese are well done, but it’s time for us to declare ourselves.
    1. Rader
      Rader 19 October 2015 12: 30 New
      11
      Quote: katalonec2014
      The Chinese are well done, but it’s time for us to declare ourselves.

      Here it is ... And against this background, the previous news about the fallen Orlan 10 sounds somehow especially sad ... It would be necessary to adopt the methods of China in cloning technology. The Chinese are copying themselves Ripers and Preditors and their conscience does not torment them and the benefit to their homeland.
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 19 October 2015 12: 37 New
        +4
        ..... previous news about the fallen Orlan 10 ....


        .... There was already a rebuttal from the developer that it was not his device ....
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 19 October 2015 12: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          ..... previous news about the fallen Orlan 10 ....


          .... There was already a rebuttal from the developer that it was not his device ....

          So the second is already - or rather the first - the article is next to the forum.
          1. aktanir
            aktanir 19 October 2015 13: 22 New
            +3
            go nuts, the Chinese are already shocking blah riveting ..., what are we doing ????
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 19 October 2015 12: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          ..... previous news about the fallen Orlan 10 ....

          Already wrote -
          ... a drone that fell in Turkey, looks like commercial Chinese.
          Anyone could use ...
          Only the tail unit (those that were from Ukraine and Syria) differs from the below (see photo) of the above one, and maybe it doesn’t differ, because the Turks didn’t bring their tail ...
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          1. aviator1913
            aviator1913 19 October 2015 14: 09 New
            -1
            For a downed drone over Ukraine and over Turkey, the rear is very similar to our 10 line.
      2. IAlex
        IAlex 19 October 2015 12: 41 New
        +6
        To clone high-tech things, you need to have a normal industry and an engineering school, alas, this is no longer the case in Russia. Yesterday, for example, I bought flowers from a friend through acquaintances, the purchase price of 350 rubles, retail 1500 rubles, i.e. net profit is 300%, when electronics were manufactured and sold at the factory, then net profit was 18% ... The question is, who needs this industry, if you buy a truck of flowers will be faster, more reliable and more profitable than spending years on development ???
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 19 October 2015 12: 48 New
          +3
          Flowers are a very profitable business, but only at first glance - and then like everywhere else - if you approach a more serious level - buy / sell - then there are also high costs and risks.
          We have engineers - IMHO, everything is from a lack of a clear theory and practice of their application.
          Most of the developments were proactive
          snyh companies, not government orders.
          Now there seems to be both that and another - I hope and developments will be tightened.
          1. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 19 October 2015 13: 13 New
            +1
            ..... if you approach a more serious level - buy / sell - then there the costs and risks are also high ....

            .... But the turnover of fixed assets is very small - a few days ... lol
          2. IAlex
            IAlex 19 October 2015 13: 24 New
            +2
            We have engineers or people with engineering degrees. The first in the last 9 years met only 5th, from the age of 30 to 45 years, pensioners do not count. And engineers with diplomas, really dofiga, only the sense of them nifga ...

            And in general, hope further, for 25 years you have been hoping for well, and for another 25 years you have been hoping, and there you look, others will hope ...
        2. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 19 October 2015 13: 02 New
          +1
          Comparisons with the flower business are incorrect. The fact is that the price of risks associated with the sale of the remaining flowers in a batch is included in a specifically sold copy.
          1. IAlex
            IAlex 19 October 2015 13: 34 New
            +2
            You think there are big risks, when I worked at the plant, the customer calls the sales department and asks: We would like to buy 12 sets of equipment from you, how much will it cost? The manager tells him the cost. The client goes nuts and speaks at the prices indicated by you, it turns out 15 sets, not 12 ... And the manager says to him: well, you pay for 15, you get 12, and three go as warranty components ...
            T.ch. the risks are a very controversial statement ...

            In addition, it was a question of flowers in pots, not cut flowers, their losses are small, because the mother has been engaged in such flowers for years ...
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 19 October 2015 12: 46 New
        +2
        Why clone? Give a thousandth of the cut money to schoolchildren and students and get a full line of small, medium and shock UAVs of all applications.
      4. Odysseus
        Odysseus 19 October 2015 14: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Rader
        It would be necessary to adopt the methods of China in cloning technology. The Chinese are copying themselves Ripers and Preditors and their conscience does not torment them and the benefit to their homeland.

        They do it themselves, nobody sells Ripers and Preditors to them. Although they borrow technological solutions without any hesitation and are actively engaged in industrial espionage. And rightly so.
        1. Rader
          Rader 19 October 2015 19: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          Quote: Rader
          It would be necessary to adopt the methods of China in cloning technology. The Chinese are copying themselves Ripers and Preditors and their conscience does not torment them and the benefit to their homeland.

          They do it themselves, nobody sells Ripers and Preditors to them. Although they borrow technological solutions without any hesitation and are actively engaged in industrial espionage. And rightly so.

          Absolutely true! But China began precisely with copying (they took documentation, a sample and drove xeri laughing ), но сейчас (Как вы отметили)начали делать свое, копируя лучшие и уже отработанные технические решения. Посмотришь на китайские истребители "5 поколения" и ощущения(чисто по внешнему виду), что воздухозаборники от одного, нос от другого, а кили скомуниздили у третьих... А в итоге получилось made in China wassat
          Вот и России пора бы уже "подсуетиться" в создании ударных беспилотников wink And then the thing goes around in one place ...
  2. GSH-18
    GSH-18 19 October 2015 12: 08 New
    +5
    Well, here are the Chinese pulled themselves up ...
  3. Aroma77
    Aroma77 19 October 2015 12: 08 New
    +5
    30 hours is a good job
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 October 2015 12: 11 New
    +7
    Wow! Already large drone drone began to sell ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 19 October 2015 12: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Wow! Already large drone drone began to sell ...

      Something like yours. Did the guys with squinting eyes buy anything from you?
      1. Rader
        Rader 19 October 2015 12: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Kil 31
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Wow! Already large drone drone began to sell ...

        Something like yours. Did the guys with squinting eyes buy anything from you?

        Помойму это копия американца, но могу ошибаться. Да и Китай, как видно, Зря времени не теряет: копии подтягиваются к оригиналам по характеристикам, и возможно, уже в скором будущем, превзойдут "образцы"
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 19 October 2015 12: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: keel 31

        Something like yours. Did the guys with squinting eyes buy anything from you?

        He looks more like the Yankees - mini Ripper -
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 19 October 2015 13: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: lelikas
          Quote: keel 31

          Something like yours. Did the guys with squinting eyes buy anything from you?

          He looks more like the Yankees - mini Ripper -

          На один из "Гермесов" то-же не плохо похож. Насчёт амеров можно посомневаться о продаже ненавистному Китаю. Израиль широко распродаёт по миру.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 19 October 2015 16: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: keel 31
            На один из "Гермесов" то-же не плохо похож. Насчёт амеров можно посомневаться о продаже ненавистному Китаю. Израиль широко распродаёт по миру.

            Yes, it’s similar to 900, but it’s not the Israelis or the Yankees, they didn’t sell anything to the Chinese. Those all are already tying successfully.
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 October 2015 13: 35 New
        +9
        China is very crowded in the UAV market.
        We will fly out of the large UAV market: they have a prime cost
        much lower.
        A photo of a Chinese drones factory flashed somehow -
        by area like half of Israel winked .
        Israel begins to specialize in medium, mini, micro, all sorts of
        "стайных" и т.д. И на продаже авионики к БПЛА.
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 19 October 2015 14: 05 New
          -1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          China is very crowded in the UAV market.
          We will fly out of the large UAV market: they have a prime cost
          much lower.
          A photo of a Chinese drones factory flashed somehow -
          by area like half of Israel winked .
          Israel begins to specialize in medium, mini, micro, all sorts of
          "стайных" и т.д. И на продаже авионики к БПЛА.

          Oh, you do not know how to deal with competitors at a price. Ask our managers they will teach. Everything is outrageously simple. Reduce workers, lower the remaining wages for the most I can’t go anywhere they don’t continue to work, although you can only pay transportation costs for a trip to work with a salary. The main thing in this is not to forget to raise the salary of managers, otherwise it will be an empty undertaking. So much for the cost reduction. The Chinese will fly like plywood over Paris. hi
        2. Now we are free
          Now we are free 19 October 2015 15: 16 New
          +1
          Shalom Ubraha, Warrior!
          Quote: voyaka uh
          China is very crowded with us in the UAV market. From the market of large UAVs we will fly out: they have a prime cost

          Well, I don’t think so, especially since Israel seems to have an analogue of Global Hawk, but China doesn’t think it will be + Element base itself, I mean the quality and level of manufacturing / saturation of software and IS from the UAVs of UAVs in Israel is one of the highest (only the States can compete with you in it) and I think that will remain so, and in microelectronics and the JMA / STSU and TV / IV, only the French are equal to you today.
          In general, no need to stingy warrior wink Of course, China takes in quantity and low price, but certainly not in efficiency, reliability and quality, especially when it comes to large UAVs ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 19 October 2015 16: 36 New
            +4
            You’ll probably have to buy a glider from someone,
            who in large-scale production and
            Fill with your avionics and weapons.
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 19 October 2015 18: 37 New
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              You’ll probably have to buy a glider from someone,
              who in large-scale production and
              Fill with your avionics and weapons.

              I recognize the nation. No one suggested, he thought of it in five minutes. Do not forget to whom you will buy. Sell ​​technology and equipment to a glider. 100% benefit
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  5. sa-ag
    sa-ag 19 October 2015 12: 13 New
    0
    Well, where is the MiG-3 UAV? :-) Such a cool target
  6. wild
    wild 19 October 2015 12: 14 New
    +3
    Yeah, no words. I would like to see something worthy from ours, aircraft models do not impress
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 19 October 2015 12: 39 New
      -1
      .... aircraft models do not impress ...

      ... In principle, the device in the photo is a large aircraft model .... I think we will have something bigger and more serious .... Everything has its time .... lol
  7. Engineer
    Engineer 19 October 2015 12: 16 New
    +2
    When will ours stir? ...
  8. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 19 October 2015 12: 17 New
    +2
    So the Chinese lit up in the Middle East. There were a lot of desi about Chinese help on the Syrian issue. But China still worked its equipment with attendants. Probably, we can also see Chinese armored vehicles in the Middle East conflict. Perhaps the Air Force could not agree on cooperation. Or divided Syria / Iraq.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 19 October 2015 12: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: MainBeam
      So the Chinese lit up in the Middle East. There were a lot of desi about Chinese help on the Syrian issue. But China still worked its equipment with attendants. Probably, we can also see Chinese armored vehicles in the Middle East conflict. Perhaps the Air Force could not agree on cooperation. Or divided Syria / Iraq.

      So far, lightweight technology. Military jeeps in Syria.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 42 New
      +1
      The main point in this article!
  9. Россия 24
    Россия 24 19 October 2015 12: 17 New
    +3
    The Chinese decided to test their equipment in combat, what it is capable of, and how it will show itself.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 October 2015 12: 41 New
    +2
    The Chinese can only be congratulated. They manage to do it everywhere.
  11. Leeder
    Leeder 19 October 2015 12: 43 New
    +4
    The saturation of all the armies in the world of UAVs, I think, will lead to an increase in interest in anti-aircraft weapons, including MANPADS. But very few countries make MANPADS. We need to develop our MANPADS technologies and prepare them for sale. Just to make sure that this weapon does not fall into hostile hands ...
  12. 31rus
    31rus 19 October 2015 12: 44 New
    +1
    Кстати наши то же копируют израильские бпла,на том же "Орале",стоит японский движок,вот это и тормозит развитие отечественных бпла
    1. 740
      740 19 October 2015 15: 06 New
      -1
      Quote: 31rus
      Кстати наши то же копируют израильские бпла,на том же "Орале",стоит японский движок,вот это и тормозит развитие отечественных бпла

      And the Israelis are copying our black caviar.
  13. aviator1913
    aviator1913 19 October 2015 12: 54 New
    +1
    Their missiles are interesting: ATGM HJ-10, Lan Jian 7, CASC (mine is the name of the company), guided bombs of types LT or TG100. Features and analysis of features, plus the price, what is their salvo for 1 (domestic and export) Who will enlighten?
  14. Tjeck
    Tjeck 19 October 2015 13: 07 New
    +6
    что вписался Kитай не-может не радовать. касательно наших БПЛА то мы отстали от лидеров лет на 10-15. но это логично - ведь если не считать ракетных/реактивных типов что разробатывались еще при СССР то у нас работы начались в начале 00х годов, тем временем американцы и евреи строили подобные аппараты уже в конце 80х. но думаю лет через 10 мы их в этой отрасли догоним, главное ерундой на подобии ''бюджетного беспилотника'' не заниматься а дать спонсирование на передовые идеи наших разработчиков.
    1. 740
      740 19 October 2015 13: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Tjeck
      that fit in China can not but rejoice

      Unmanned aerial vehicles and a jeep are still helping. Here one country drove 50 combat aircraft to the Middle East, is constantly supplying with humanitarian aid + it is very likely that it will transfer old, but still reliable military equipment from storage. And we will notice all this for FREE! About how.
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 19 October 2015 13: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: 740
        notice for FREE! Oh

        is not a fact. I think the Kremlin has received / will receive preferences.
        1. 740
          740 19 October 2015 14: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Olegovi4
          I think the Kremlin has received / will receive preferences.

          I believe that the maintenance of our foreign military facilities should be sponsored by half.
  15. An60
    An60 19 October 2015 14: 31 New
    0
    "Однако на данный момент функцию управления выполняют сами китайцы."То есть за штурвалом китаец???На БЛА? belay
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 19 October 2015 14: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: An60
      "Однако на данный момент функцию управления выполняют сами китайцы."То есть за штурвалом китаец???На БЛА?

      smile The operator is Chinese.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 15: 13 New
      +1
      For the joystick .... control ...
  16. TIO1969
    TIO1969 19 October 2015 16: 37 New
    +4
    Unfortunately, Russia in the creation of such machines was 15 years behind. Borisov, at the beginning of this year, announced that we were in the final stage of development work on similar platforms. This means that they can be taken into service in 2 years :(

    Now the main thing, in order not to go along the path of creating analogues, you need to be able to predict where the design idea will go, what new ideas should be the most important and in demand in a modern war. We need to focus on these new requirements. Otherwise, we will again have to catch up and watch how China surprises.