Chinese drones in service in the Iraqi army

The Chinese defense industry has apparently achieved significant success in promoting domestic low-budget reconnaissance strikes to the international market. drones CH-4B manufactured by China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), writes the French bulletin TTU.

"After Nigeria (Apparently, the error - Nigeria, according to known data, has acquired the lighter CH-3 UAVs of the same manufacturer)The 23 January 2015, the three CH-4 UAVs received Iraq. This is a modification of the CH-4B, the payload of which is 345 kg compared to 114 kg in variant A. This modification can use HJ-10 ATGM, laser-guided missiles Lan Jian 7, as well as guided bombs of LT or TG100 types (in fact, judging by the developer’s data and photographs, the CASC’s own CASC special guided munitions are used on the CH series UAVs)"- the blog leads message bmpd (in brackets - blogger comments).

The drones that are part of the Iraqi Air Force are used against the IG from the Al Kut airbase. According to the Ministry of Defense of Iraq, they can rise to an altitude of 7,5 km, their autonomy reaches 30 an hour.

It is noted that relatively simple control stations are required for this type of UAV. However, at the moment the control function is performed by the Chinese themselves.

Comments

[katalonec2014]

The Chinese are well done, but it’s time for us to declare ourselves.

[Rader]

Quote: katalonec2014

The Chinese are well done, but it’s time for us to declare ourselves.

Here it is ... And against this background, the previous news about the fallen Orlan 10 sounds somehow especially sad ... It would be necessary to adopt the methods of China in cloning technology. The Chinese are copying themselves Ripers and Preditors and their conscience does not torment them and the benefit to their homeland.

[aleks 62 next]

..... previous news about the fallen Orlan 10 ....


.... There was already a rebuttal from the developer that it was not his device ....

[lelikas]

Quote: aleks 62 next

..... previous news about the fallen Orlan 10 ....


.... There was already a rebuttal from the developer that it was not his device ....

So the second is already - or rather the first - the article is next to the forum.

[aktanir]

go nuts, the Chinese are already shocking blah riveting ..., what are we doing ????

[Rus2012]

Quote: aleks 62 next

..... previous news about the fallen Orlan 10 ....

Already wrote -

... a drone that fell in Turkey, looks like commercial Chinese.
Anyone could use ...
Only the tail unit (those that were from Ukraine and Syria) differs from the below (see photo) of the above one, and maybe it doesn’t differ, because the Turks didn’t bring their tail ...
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[aviator1913]

For a downed drone over Ukraine and over Turkey, the rear is very similar to our 10 line.

[IAlex]

To clone high-tech things, you need to have a normal industry and an engineering school, alas, this is no longer the case in Russia. Yesterday, for example, I bought flowers from a friend through acquaintances, the purchase price of 350 rubles, retail 1500 rubles, i.e. net profit is 300%, when electronics were manufactured and sold at the factory, then net profit was 18% ... The question is, who needs this industry, if you buy a truck of flowers will be faster, more reliable and more profitable than spending years on development ???

[lelikas]

Flowers are a very profitable business, but only at first glance - and then like everywhere else - if you approach a more serious level - buy / sell - then there are also high costs and risks.
We have engineers - IMHO, everything is from a lack of a clear theory and practice of their application.
Most of the developments were proactive

snyh companies, not government orders.
Now there seems to be both that and another - I hope and developments will be tightened.

[aleks 62 next]

..... if you approach a more serious level - buy / sell - then there the costs and risks are also high ....

.... But the turnover of fixed assets is very small - a few days ...

[IAlex]

We have engineers or people with engineering degrees. The first in the last 9 years met only 5th, from the age of 30 to 45 years, pensioners do not count. And engineers with diplomas, really dofiga, only the sense of them nifga ...

And in general, hope further, for 25 years you have been hoping for well, and for another 25 years you have been hoping, and there you look, others will hope ...

[KG_patriot_last]

Comparisons with the flower business are incorrect. The fact is that the price of risks associated with the sale of the remaining flowers in a batch is included in a specifically sold copy.

[IAlex]

You think there are big risks, when I worked at the plant, the customer calls the sales department and asks: We would like to buy 12 sets of equipment from you, how much will it cost? The manager tells him the cost. The client goes nuts and speaks at the prices indicated by you, it turns out 15 sets, not 12 ... And the manager says to him: well, you pay for 15, you get 12, and three go as warranty components ...
T.ch. the risks are a very controversial statement ...

In addition, it was a question of flowers in pots, not cut flowers, their losses are small, because the mother has been engaged in such flowers for years ...

[NordUral]

Why clone? Give a thousandth of the cut money to schoolchildren and students and get a full line of small, medium and shock UAVs of all applications.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Rader

It would be necessary to adopt the methods of China in cloning technology. The Chinese are copying themselves Ripers and Preditors and their conscience does not torment them and the benefit to their homeland.

They do it themselves, nobody sells Ripers and Preditors to them. Although they borrow technological solutions without any hesitation and are actively engaged in industrial espionage. And rightly so.

[Rader]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: Rader

It would be necessary to adopt the methods of China in cloning technology. The Chinese are copying themselves Ripers and Preditors and their conscience does not torment them and the benefit to their homeland.

They do it themselves, nobody sells Ripers and Preditors to them. Although they borrow technological solutions without any hesitation and are actively engaged in industrial espionage. And rightly so.

Absolutely true! But China began precisely with copying (they took documentation, a sample and drove xeri ), but now (As you noted) they began to make their own, copying the best and already worked out technical solutions. You will look at the Chinese "5th generation" fighters and the feeling (purely in appearance) that the air intakes are from one, the nose is from the other, and the keels are commandeered from the third ... And in the end it turned out made in China
So it's time for Russia to "hurry up" in the creation of shock drones And then the thing goes around in one place ...

[GSH-18]

Well, here are the Chinese pulled themselves up ...

[Aroma77]

30 hours is a good job

[voyaka uh]

Wow! Already large drone drone began to sell ...

[kil 31]

Quote: voyaka uh

Wow! Already large drone drone began to sell ...

Something like yours. Did the guys with squinting eyes buy anything from you?

[Rader]

Quote: Kil 31

Quote: voyaka uh

Wow! Already large drone drone began to sell ...

Something like yours. Did the guys with squinting eyes buy anything from you?

I think this is a copy of an American, but I could be wrong. And China, as you can see, is not wasting time in vain: copies are catching up with the originals in terms of characteristics, and perhaps, in the near future, will surpass the "samples"

[lelikas]

Quote: keel 31

Something like yours. Did the guys with squinting eyes buy anything from you?

He looks more like the Yankees - mini Ripper -

[kil 31]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: keel 31

Something like yours. Did the guys with squinting eyes buy anything from you?

He looks more like the Yankees - mini Ripper -

On one of the "Hermes" the same is not bad looking. As for the amers, one can doubt the sale of the hated China. Israel sells widely around the world.

[lelikas]

Quote: keel 31

On one of the "Hermes" the same is not bad looking. As for the amers, one can doubt the sale of the hated China. Israel sells widely around the world.

Yes, it’s similar to 900, but it’s not the Israelis or the Yankees, they didn’t sell anything to the Chinese. Those all are already tying successfully.

[voyaka uh]

China is very crowded in the UAV market.
We will fly out of the large UAV market: they have a prime cost
much lower.
A photo of a Chinese drones factory flashed somehow -
by area like half of Israel .
Israel begins to specialize in medium, mini, micro, all sorts of
"gregarious", etc. And on the sale of avionics for UAVs.

[kil 31]

Quote: voyaka uh

China is very crowded in the UAV market.
We will fly out of the large UAV market: they have a prime cost
much lower.
A photo of a Chinese drones factory flashed somehow -
by area like half of Israel .
Israel begins to specialize in medium, mini, micro, all sorts of
"gregarious", etc. And on the sale of avionics for UAVs.

Oh, you do not know how to deal with competitors at a price. Ask our managers they will teach. Everything is outrageously simple. Reduce workers, lower the remaining wages for the most I can’t go anywhere they don’t continue to work, although you can only pay transportation costs for a trip to work with a salary. The main thing in this is not to forget to raise the salary of managers, otherwise it will be an empty undertaking. So much for the cost reduction. The Chinese will fly like plywood over Paris.

[Now we are free]

Shalom Ubraha, Warrior!

Quote: voyaka uh

China is very crowded with us in the UAV market. From the market of large UAVs we will fly out: they have a prime cost

Well, I don’t think so, especially since Israel seems to have an analogue of Global Hawk, but China doesn’t think it will be + Element base itself, I mean the quality and level of manufacturing / saturation of software and IS from the UAVs of UAVs in Israel is one of the highest (only the States can compete with you in it) and I think that will remain so, and in microelectronics and the JMA / STSU and TV / IV, only the French are equal to you today.
In general, no need to stingy warrior Of course, China takes in quantity and low price, but certainly not in efficiency, reliability and quality, especially when it comes to large UAVs ...

[voyaka uh]

You’ll probably have to buy a glider from someone,
who in large-scale production and
Fill with your avionics and weapons.

[kil 31]

Quote: voyaka uh

You’ll probably have to buy a glider from someone,
who in large-scale production and
Fill with your avionics and weapons.

I recognize the nation. No one suggested, he thought of it in five minutes. Do not forget to whom you will buy. Sell ​​technology and equipment to a glider. 100% benefit

[sa-ag]

Well, where is the MiG-3 UAV? :-) Such a cool target

[wild]

Yeah, no words. I would like to see something worthy from ours, aircraft models do not impress

[aleks 62 next]

.... aircraft models do not impress ...

... In principle, the device in the photo is a large aircraft model .... I think we will have something bigger and more serious .... Everything has its time ....

[Engineer]

When will ours stir? ...

[Mainbeam]

So the Chinese lit up in the Middle East. There were a lot of desi about Chinese help on the Syrian issue. But China still worked its equipment with attendants. Probably, we can also see Chinese armored vehicles in the Middle East conflict. Perhaps the Air Force could not agree on cooperation. Or divided Syria / Iraq.

[kil 31]

Quote: MainBeam

So the Chinese lit up in the Middle East. There were a lot of desi about Chinese help on the Syrian issue. But China still worked its equipment with attendants. Probably, we can also see Chinese armored vehicles in the Middle East conflict. Perhaps the Air Force could not agree on cooperation. Or divided Syria / Iraq.

So far, lightweight technology. Military jeeps in Syria.

[Karlovar]

The main point in this article!

[Россия 24]

The Chinese decided to test their equipment in combat, what it is capable of, and how it will show itself.

[rotmistr60]

The Chinese can only be congratulated. They manage to do it everywhere.

[Leeder]

The saturation of all the armies in the world of UAVs, I think, will lead to an increase in interest in anti-aircraft weapons, including MANPADS. But very few countries make MANPADS. We need to develop our MANPADS technologies and prepare them for sale. Just to make sure that this weapon does not fall into hostile hands ...

[31rus]

By the way, ours are copying the same Israeli UAVs, on the same "Oral", there is a Japanese engine, this is what slows down the development of domestic UAVs

[740]

Quote: 31rus

By the way, ours are copying the same Israeli UAVs, on the same "Oral", there is a Japanese engine, this is what slows down the development of domestic UAVs

And the Israelis are copying our black caviar.

[aviator1913]

Their missiles are interesting: ATGM HJ-10, Lan Jian 7, CASC (mine is the name of the company), guided bombs of types LT or TG100. Features and analysis of features, plus the price, what is their salvo for 1 (domestic and export) Who will enlighten?

[Tjeck]

that China has fit in can not but rejoice. As for our UAVs, we are 10-15 years behind the leaders. but this is logical - after all, apart from the missile / jet types that were being developed back in the Soviet Union, work began in the early 00s, while Americans and Jews were building similar devices already in the late 80s. but I think in 10 years we will catch up with them in this industry, the main thing is not to engage in nonsense like a `` budget drone '' but to sponsor the advanced ideas of our developers.

[740]

Quote: Tjeck

that fit in China can not but rejoice

Unmanned aerial vehicles and a jeep are still helping. Here one country drove 50 combat aircraft to the Middle East, is constantly supplying with humanitarian aid + it is very likely that it will transfer old, but still reliable military equipment from storage. And we will notice all this for FREE! About how.

[Olegovi4]

Quote: 740

notice for FREE! Oh

is not a fact. I think the Kremlin has received / will receive preferences.

[740]

Quote: Olegovi4

I think the Kremlin has received / will receive preferences.

I believe that the maintenance of our foreign military facilities should be sponsored by half.

[An60]

“However, at the moment, the control function is performed by the Chinese themselves.” That is, the Chinese is at the helm ???

[Odysseus]

Quote: An60

“However, at the moment, the control function is performed by the Chinese themselves.” That is, the Chinese is at the helm ???

The operator is Chinese.

[Karlovar]

For the joystick .... control ...

[TIO1969]

Unfortunately, Russia in the creation of such machines was 15 years behind. Borisov, at the beginning of this year, announced that we were in the final stage of development work on similar platforms. This means that they can be taken into service in 2 years :(

Now the main thing, in order not to go along the path of creating analogues, you need to be able to predict where the design idea will go, what new ideas should be the most important and in demand in a modern war. We need to focus on these new requirements. Otherwise, we will again have to catch up and watch how China surprises.