Defense Ministry plans to extend the life cycle of the T-72 for another 15 years

The leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation proposed to extend the operation tanks T-72 for 15 years, transmits TASS a message from Vyacheslav Khalitov, deputy head of Uralvagonzavod.

“The Ministry of Defense offered the option of upgrading the T-72 tank, that is, this extension is another 15 years. Our life cycle is possible up to 70 years, ”said Halitov.

“At the moment, the life cycle of the T-72 tanks is 46 years,” he noted.

"When we will dispose of T-72 we, frankly, do not know," added Khalitov.

Comments

[Sauron80]

And what year they promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in the troops, remind me please?

[Wedmak]

At 2016, delivery to military trials will begin. Presumably, not in 1-2 pieces will be delivered, but in dozens.

[Sasha 19871987]

T 72 is one of the most warring tanks, that's right, a time-tested machine, its pros and cons have been known for a long time and there are a lot of it in the army ... And Atmata still has to be run and run in, no matter how cool the raw machine is, so before fighting copies must wait, but not hysterical ... Moscow, too, was not immediately built)))

[Sauron80]

The tank may be both run-in and fighting, but watch the video on the internet, how these tanks are burning bearded monkeys with the ATGM of our "western partners".

[gans_sp]

Abrams burns no worse, just the saturation of Soviet-made tanks is higher in this region, which may lead to the erroneous opinion that our tanks are burning, and the rest are not.
PS: And, I forgot, the abrams in Iraq are in the export version, normal abrams do not burn))

[inkass_98]

Quote: Sauron80

watch a video on the internet how these tanks burn bearded monkeys

If the tank is with normal protection, then the monkey bites to burn it; in Chechnya, there were four to five hits in the tank, but it remained in service. And on any video with BV, mostly unprotected cars burn.

[Manul]

Quote: inkass_98

If the tank is with normal protection, then the monkey bites to burn it, in Chechnya there were four to five hits in the tank, but it remained in service.

So there was a video on our website, as if from Syria, where several times 72-ke shied from a grenade launcher, shouting "Alla, I'm in the bar", So the screams with each shot became quieter, and the tank backed away on the move (I really hope I was able to leave)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: inkass_98

in Chechnya, four to five hits were in the tank, and he remained in service.

If yes, then, but there have been times when the T 72 was pierced into the side of the turret from a heavy machine gun, armor-piercing sewed.

[Hello]

Quote: Sauron80

The tank may be both run-in and fighting, but watch the video on the internet, how these tanks are burning bearded monkeys with the ATGM of our "western partners".

Well, if you enter the city without infantry, as some especially gifted people do, then not only the tanks will burn.

[Zaurbek]

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!

[wk]

Quote: Hello

Well, if you go into the city without infantry, as some especially gifted people do, then not only tanks will burn

give an example!

[Fight cat]

the most warring tank is still the T-55, but there are a lot of videos with wrecked tanks, well, sorry if your tanks fight in different countries 5-6 times more often, naturally the video and photos of the wrecked tanks will be many times larger than the video other tanks that do not even appear on the real battlefield!

[Wedmak]

So where to test the T-14, if not in the army? They will deliver a couple of dozens, conduct exercises, then analyze the actions and work of the equipment.

[pistons]

I doubt it very much. The deadlines for corvettes, frigates, submarines, PAK FA have been shifted, and for Armata too.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Wedmak

At 2016, delivery to military trials will begin. Presumably, not in 1-2 pieces will be delivered, but in dozens.

I would like to ask you in a year how many "dozens" were put ... I think not how many. and this is not a joke, such infa ...

[pistons]

I can even answer, ahem in a year,
It’s okay, the T-72 and T-90 are not much worse than Armata, Armata is extremely expensive and difficult to operate, and it’s a crime to put an unfinished tank into the army.

[Shuttle]

Quote: pistons

I can even answer, ahem in a year,
It’s okay, the T-72 and T-90 are not much worse than Armata, Armata is extremely expensive and difficult to operate, and it’s a crime to put an unfinished tank into the army.

Again. Armata is a concept, the transition to a robotic remote-controlled technology, and not the Russian MBT.

[Wedmak]

Armata is a concept, the transition to robotic telecontrol technology

Armata is a heavy tracked unified platform first of all. What is being hung on it is the second question. Robotic telecontrolled equipment is a separate article and a separate ROC. If the principle of modularity and a single platform is preserved, it will be possible to make the "old" T-72 new. How do you like the idea of ​​a tank platoon from a pair of T-14 and 3-4 robotic T-72? The list of tactics grows many times over.

[Wedmak]

I would like to ask you in a year how many "dozens" were put ... I think not how many. and this is not a joke, such infa ...

Agreed.

[Gormenghast]

Ukrainians will return $ 3 billion - enough for 375 Armat, or more for large-scale production.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Sauron80

promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in troops

forget about this figure, is it not obvious that the emphasis is on 72 and 90?

[pistons]

More precisely on the T-72

[propaganda NO]

and you have reliable information about the number or at least a percentage of the t-90 tank to the total number of tanks in the whole of rf.

[Homo]

Quote: Sauron80

And what year they promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in the troops, remind me please?

What is this said? Now this situation is developing, that a lot of tanks may be needed, but there is no way to replace it immediately with the T-90 and Armata. The surest way out is to extend the life of the T-72! Or can you suggest something else?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sauron80

And what year they promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in the troops, remind me please?

What is 3000 tanks for a country like Russia?

[user]

When we will dispose of the T-72 we honestly do not know

I don’t understand why they should be written off, upgraded to the level of Terminator-2, and it will be difficult to find the best combat vehicle to participate in the restricted military zone.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Sauron80

And what year they promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in the troops, remind me please?

If someone else does not understand, then Armata is a transitional tank to a fully telecontrolled. Armata and nafig in all the troops did not give up.
A real new long-lived tank will not appear after Armata. Armata will be similar to it no more than BT-2 is similar to IS-3 or PT-76.

[sailor]

Here is Armata for you

[vorobey]

Quote: Sailor

Here is Armata for you

started ... T72 in the current configuration is not much inferior to T90 ..

but you will not say how much the disposal of T72?

In addition, in the modernized version 72 acquires even more export potential for those who do not pull the T90 .. and Armata is planned to be replaced .. thousands of thousands can not be quickly replaced ..

[kil 31]

vorobey In addition, in the modernized version 72 acquires even more export potential for those who do not pull the T90 .. and Armata is planned to be replaced .. thousands of thousands can not be quickly replaced ..

A thousand thousand is a million, we do not have so many tanks. (well, I think so)

[gjv]

Quote: keel 31

A thousand thousand is a million, we do not have so many tanks. (well, I think so)

About 14 of all modifications in operation and storage.

[vorobey]

Quote: keel 31

A thousand thousand is a million, we do not have so many tanks. (well, I think so)

I imagine that you would answer the number of milen

[gjv]

Quote: vorobey

but you will not say how much the disposal of T72?

In 2012, the average price of a BTT disposal contract was 60-65 thousand rubles per unit of equipment, excluding transportation costs for delivery to the disposal site.

[vorobey]

Quote: gjv

In 2012, the average price of a BTT disposal contract was 60-65 thousand rubles per unit of equipment, excluding transportation costs for delivery to the disposal site.

Where do you get this data from? .. they take the metallolm more expensive ... I need to shoot for this ..

show me where it is I myself will deal with such a disposal .. 40000 kg of high alloy steel and a half steering ...

[kil 31]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: gjv

In 2012, the average price of a BTT disposal contract was 60-65 thousand rubles per unit of equipment, excluding transportation costs for delivery to the disposal site.

Where do you get this data from? .. they take the metallolm more expensive ... I need to shoot for this ..

show me where it is I myself will deal with such a disposal .. 40000 kg of high alloy steel and a half steering ...

The devil is not lucky for me, ahead of me. Take me as an assistant. You can not pay with money. For help cutting five tanks, one tank to me.

[gjv]

Quote: vorobey

I myself will be engaged in such disposal ..

No objection. Obtain a license and dispose of it, having previously received an advance from the Ministry of Defense. Figures from the protocol of the court decision. There, one office sued because the Moscow Region did not transfer the advance payment stipulated in the contract for the disposal of a certain number of BTT units. In turn, the Moscow Region filed a counterclaim to the office. The MO claim was: Disposal was not carried out at the site indicated in the license. What is the difference MO in what area the tank sawed?
And the average cost here is what happened - 60-65 thousand rubles per tank. This is a payment from MO. Can you pay for such a payment alone for a certain period of time, cut more than 40 tons of high-alloy iron? And if under the contract there are 100-200 of them? I'm making fun of it. We need equipment, workers - a small plant, like TRZ. And you won’t get profit until you sell iron. Do you think it’s like hot cakes? That is unlikely.

[kil 31]

Quote: gjv

Quote: vorobey

I myself will be engaged in such disposal ..

No objection. Obtain a license and dispose of it, having previously received an advance from the Ministry of Defense. Figures from the protocol of the court decision. There, one office sued because the Moscow Region did not transfer the advance payment stipulated in the contract for the disposal of a certain number of BTT units. In turn, the Moscow Region filed a counterclaim to the office. The MO claim was: Disposal was not carried out at the site indicated in the license. What is the difference MO in what area the tank sawed?
And the average cost here is what happened - 60-65 thousand rubles per tank. This is a payment from MO. Can you pay for such a payment alone for a certain period of time, cut more than 40 tons of high-alloy iron? And if under the contract there are 100-200 of them? I'm making fun of it. We need equipment, workers - a small plant, like TRZ. And you won’t get profit until you sell iron. Do you think it’s like hot cakes? That is unlikely.

Which one is unlikely. We have a metallurgical plant with its hands torn off, with the export itself. For the money for cher.met. and advance payment from MO. I will tear them with my hands, like a cardboard into the necessary pieces.

[vorobey]

Quote: gjv

And the average cost here is what happened - 60-65 thousand rubles per tank.

give a link ... I want to make sure that this is a tank and not a BRDM or MTLB with plasticine armor that is cut like butter with a regular autogenous ..

[wk]

Quote: vorobey

which is cut like butter with an ordinary autogenous ..

you won’t cut aluminum with gas .... any welder knows!

[gjv]

Quote: wk

you won’t cut aluminum with gas .... any welder knows!

Waterjet cutting or plasma arc cutting. Both technologies are not very cheap.

[gjv]

Quote: vorobey

give a link ... I want to make sure that this is a tank

there’s no reference to that material at hand, it’s just the average price from memory, but there were exactly the T-72, T-80 tanks, also BREMs and armored personnel carriers in quantities for a hundred of each model. Here is another contract offer in 2013 for a smaller number and BMP are present. The average price is higher - 69000 rubles. Although specifically BMP is certainly cheaper, it corresponds to a smaller mass. At the conclusion of the contract, require an advance from the MO. A common practice is upfront recycling of 70-80%.

Utilization of T-64 and modif. - 75.22.11 - PC - 4 - 110959 - 443836.00
Disposal of BMP-1 and modif. - 75.22.11 - PC - 2 - 41090 - 82180.00
Disposal of BMP-2 and modif. - 75.22.11 - PC - 2 - 41090 - 82180.00
BTS and modif. - 75.22.11 - ШТ - 4 - 57020 - 228080.00

http://www.gostorgi.ru/44-538834

[gjv]

Quote: keel 31

I will tear them with my hands, like a cardboard into the necessary pieces.

The mighty Russian people. Especially Igory! For me, please tear off the breech from the gun - a good souvenir will be a keepsake.

[pistons]

I recycle for free, 40 tons of stainless steel ... Oh, breathtaking from the prospects

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Yeah thanks

[wk]

Quote: Sailor

Here is Armata for you

..... well, what can I say to you FAN FARMERS! ..... UVZ Yeltsin’s sharashka ..... Shoigu, her active lobbyist ... ate money for Armata .... ate! ..... continue tearing farts at Serdyukov, and Vasilyev .... and admire the first marshal of the fire forces!

the army is killed by the show of "biathlon" "darts" "Suvorov breakthroughs"
2020 armament program failed! names? Rogozin Shoigu and K *

[oleg-gr]

Interesting news. Are the plans for the release of the new T-14 and T-90 changing? Or have you decided to seriously study the issue of robot tanks?

[Saburov]

The old horse will not spoil the furrow ... although it doesn’t plow deeply, but if you look at the track record of the old T-72, then he is more than impressive, as he has shown himself worthy in many conflicts, although many fans of pop ... even I’ve never seen a combat vehicle in my eyes, they like to show photos with torn towers (often the same ones), so I’ll answer you as a doctor or as a graduate of the ChVTKU BK more often than not burn out than detonate, for my service I only saw twice jerked BC and then on 80, but I saw how 72 came with three sticking out in bro e grenades and half the cut-off of cumulative jet engine, while losing 80% capacity, so thanks to the Soviet steelmakers! A worthy modernization will only enhance its capabilities, and armor ... it is also armor in Africa ....

[vorobey]

Quote: Saburov

CTU

I am fly agaric .. and you? Ours are here .. Major071 - also a fly agaric in one company studied ..

[Saburov]

Greetings, and we once called Kobzari!

[Scoun]

Yesterday on one of the branches of the forum)) as the modernization of "Abrams" so quack about sawing))
Today is an article about the extension of the term for the T-72. and yesterday was about the modernization of the abrams where our sawmill crackers minus the guy just for the assumption that pin.dos.ov has a PLANNED MODERNIZATION and not an answer to "Armata"! )))

Scoun SU Yesterday, 16:17 ↑
Quote: Longmire
Quote: sinukvl
This is the answer to our "Armata", to console your vanity

is it a planned modernization, and by the way, how old have Armat, 2.5 prototypes already been riveted there? laughing

)))
How dare you write something about Americans in a positive way ?! You are a sent "Cossack", it is only we who have the right to modernize the T-72 and this is not a cut, but a modernization. laughing ++))
And you spoil your karma with ur comment quack quack crackers)))
No ** I, Americans should sit down, cry. put your hands down with the words ahh! the Russians have "Armata" and we have fucked up all the polymers! At the same time, tactfully keeping silent that in the near future the Armat, like the T-90 with a gulkin nose and a main battle tank in various modifications (and not always successful), remains the T-72.
laughing
Damn, at such a pace, I’ll soon jump to trolling utryakryalok)))

Aw grunts! )))
PS.
T-72 is an excellent tank requiring modernization consistent with the current realities of life. I am for.
but in "Armata" all the same, only the pros will admit it, but as a mass tank T-72 it is.

[Wedmak]

So the Americans did not roll out a brand new tank. If I’m not mistaken, even there are no plans to replace Abrams with anything. And somehow they kept silent about the cumulative shells for Abrams. Scored on this case?

[pistons]

Well, the Americans didn’t roll out to the square in front of the White House, a tank that didn’t exist yet to hit everyone and everything

[Scoun]

Quote: Wedmak

So americans nor a brand new tank rolled out

Conceptually, a new tank was rolled out only by us.
All the other tanks ... how should I put it right ...
After the T-72 we had both the T-80 and the T-90, and the "Black Eagle" attempt (very good but very expensive and when the means do not justify themselves)
US modifications of Abrams
in Germany leopard
France Leclerc
and so on
"New tanks" released China, Japan (with a German gun) and Korea (black panther)
But these are all tanks of the previous generation from which almost all of their capabilities were pumped, further a stupor as there are no other new technologies.
In general, these are all fairly obvious things. The only thing I would like to note about "Armata" is that the first batch of "Armata" will and should not be large, since new technical and technological solutions are already appearing in the process of "manufacturing". The second part with modernization will be 15% better.

[Themi30]

Scoun
Bravo
Double standards are bad, especially in their ranks.

[Tanker55]

Thanks for the good koment! Hello everyone! Personally, for 2 years on the T-72 he served as a driver in Novosibirsk.
Not once in the exercises were the Tom River and all sorts of different things. The car is very good, reliable and simple. I love this tank.

[Engineer]

What kind of talk went about recycling? Replace gradually with new models, not forgetting to upgrade old ones. In addition, our equipment is very popular in BV, so why dispose of it, if you can, if not donate it, at least sell it for some money?

[Wedmak]

When we will dispose of the T-72 we honestly do not know

Well yes. Half a century to the tank, e ... But now they will develop a network remote control of the tank, and there will be a logical idea to cram it not only into the T-90, but also into hundreds of T-72. How do you like that? The hellish picture turns out, the terminator is just resting.

[biznaw]

Yeah. Suddenly a magician will fly in a blue helicopter ... and turn on the Lever ... and a forester on a T-70 tractor will leave the forest and expel all the Terminators in fig ..

[Zoldat_A]

And how many times have we extended the resource for ICBMs in 90? And they did reach relatively happy times - not everything was cut, not everything fell apart, and there is a new one. You look, and on the T-72 we will reach good times. Moreover, maybe in World of Tanks adult children do not like them very much, but in life, they have reliable, well-deserved equipment that still trains.

[Wolka]

yes, a good kind of exoskeleton for a tank, time-tested, like that, there would be bones, and the meat would grow, like this by hanging outwardly different harness (protection, weapons) upgrading the engine and transmission, you can extend the life of the T-72 grandfather for a long time ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Volka

like this, by hanging outwardly various harnesses (protection, weapons), modernizing the engine and transmission, you can prolong the life of the T-72 grandfather for a long time

In the end, the spoon was invented by Avon when, but we still use it!

But seriously - now they release cars, for example. 4 wheels, engine, seats, doors, hood, trunk, steering wheel, brake. When was the principle invented? In recent years, 100 has definitely not changed anything. Well, there, the softness of the seats, the quality of painting, engine power, reliability of the brakes, air conditioning, music. And PRINCIPLE THAT - NOTHING! So it is here. Who's stopping you from installing new engines, guns, armor, etc.? If the "skeleton" is optimal and harmonious ...

[Mountain shooter]

The mobilization reserve must also be combat-ready. And 72 is still running and shooting. No wonder it was her and not the T-90 who were chased at the biathlon. We have a lot of them. quite combat-ready (after modernization) cars. Do not rationally put them in the stove. Yes, and they will buy with pleasure.

[Aksakal_07]

Quote: Mountain Shooter
72 is still running and shooting.

I admit that there are plans to transfer the "old" tanks to remote control. When using the T-72 in the "unmanned" version, it is possible to save both the crews and gain experience, so that later all this can be used in the combat use of the "Armata".

[roskot]

"When we will dispose of T-72 we, frankly, do not know," added Khalitov.

Here it is issued.
There is life on Mars, there is no life on Mars - we still don’t know.

[mitrich]

"When we will dispose of T-72 we, frankly, do not know," added Khalitov.

Here it is issued.
There is life on Mars, there is no life on Mars - we still don’t know.

Probably, saying this, he took on the "chest" as much as the movie character.

[vladimirw]

Great, you have to save money

[Pogran]

Ukraine is preparing for a legal war with Russia, he said. According to him, Ukraine will demand from the Russian Federation at least $ 1 trillion for the Crimea and the Donbass, in short, as I understand it, they will still have to us, for the rent of the Crimea since 1954

[Anchonsha]

Yes, no matter how much we would like to get "Armata" into the troops, we have a small intestine now. If dollars were printed as the United States, then one could count on such an option, but this is impossible. Therefore, we need to improve what we have and what we have enough strength and resources for.

[Fight cat]

it is necessary to transfer most of the T-72 tanks to the BMPT-72 crew less, mobility is better, booking is better, control is even easier than in the T-72.

[gukoyan]

Why dispose of?
They will give Syria, they really need excellent tanks.

[kizhe]

Dispose of must not continue to be used. Put a comma.

[gryaznov.igor.]

it’s necessary to build t-90cm and armata, and sell the t-72 slowly to Africa, to the Arabs, it’s necessary to add new weapons to the army,

[AlexTires]

It’s too early to dump such a tank into the dustbin of history, the whole question is how profitable its further modernization ...

[Zaurbek]

We need to equip them to the level of "Georgian" and they will serve. Replace the stabilizer with an electric one.

[Zomanus]

Yes, let it extend.
There is a backlog for modernization.
Yes and no, so far there have been potential opponents against whom the T-72 could not cope.
I mean real ones, with which we will enter into real clashes in the near future.

[Sauron80]

And who are you planning to engage in clashes with in the near future? Can I name it?