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Defense Ministry plans to extend the life cycle of the T-72 for another 15 years

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The leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation proposed to extend the operation tanks T-72 for 15 years, transmits TASS a message from Vyacheslav Khalitov, deputy head of Uralvagonzavod.




“The Ministry of Defense offered the option of upgrading the T-72 tank, that is, this extension is another 15 years. Our life cycle is possible up to 70 years, ”said Halitov.

“At the moment, the life cycle of the T-72 tanks is 46 years,” he noted.

"When we will dispose of T-72 we, frankly, do not know," added Khalitov.
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ITAR-TASS / Dmitry Rogulin
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  1. Sauron80
    Sauron80 15 October 2015 12: 08 New
    +2
    And what year they promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in the troops, remind me please?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 15 October 2015 12: 12 New
      +4
      At 2016, delivery to military trials will begin. Presumably, not in 1-2 pieces will be delivered, but in dozens.
      1. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 15 October 2015 12: 25 New
        16
        T 72 is one of the most warring tanks, that's right, a time-tested machine, its pros and cons have been known for a long time and there are a lot of it in the army ... And Atmata still has to be run and run in, no matter how cool the raw machine is, so before fighting copies must wait, but not hysterical ... Moscow, too, was not immediately built)))
        1. Sauron80
          Sauron80 15 October 2015 12: 30 New
          +3
          Танк может и обкатанный и воюющий, но посмотрите видео в инете, как эти танки жгут обезьяны бородатые с ПТРК наших "западных партнеров".
          1. gans_sp
            gans_sp 15 October 2015 12: 41 New
            17
            Abrams burns no worse, just the saturation of Soviet-made tanks is higher in this region, which may lead to the erroneous opinion that our tanks are burning, and the rest are not.
            PS: And, I forgot, the abrams in Iraq are in the export version, normal abrams do not burn))
          2. inkass_98
            inkass_98 15 October 2015 13: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Sauron80
            watch a video on the internet how these tanks burn bearded monkeys

            If the tank is with normal protection, then the monkey bites to burn it; in Chechnya, there were four to five hits in the tank, but it remained in service. And on any video with BV, mostly unprotected cars burn.
            1. Manul
              Manul 15 October 2015 13: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: inkass_98
              If the tank is with normal protection, then the monkey bites to burn it, in Chechnya there were four to five hits in the tank, but it remained in service.

              Так было видео у нас на сайте, вроде бы из Сирии, где несколько раз по 72-ке шарахали из гранатомета, с криками "Алла,я в бар", Так вот крики с каждым выстрелом становились все тише, а танк на ходу пятился назад( очень надеюсь что смог уйти)
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 October 2015 14: 56 New
              0
              Quote: inkass_98
              in Chechnya, four to five hits were in the tank, and he remained in service.

              If yes, then, but there have been times when the T 72 was pierced into the side of the turret from a heavy machine gun, armor-piercing sewed.
          3. Hello
            Hello 15 October 2015 18: 08 New
            -1
            Quote: Sauron80
            Танк может и обкатанный и воюющий, но посмотрите видео в инете, как эти танки жгут обезьяны бородатые с ПТРК наших "западных партнеров".

            Well, if you enter the city without infantry, as some especially gifted people do, then not only the tanks will burn. yes
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 15 October 2015 21: 07 New
              +2
              Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
            2. wk
              wk 16 October 2015 16: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Hello
              Well, if you go into the city without infantry, as some especially gifted people do, then not only tanks will burn

              give an example!
        2. Fight cat
          Fight cat 15 October 2015 12: 34 New
          +7
          the most warring tank is still the T-55, but there are a lot of videos with wrecked tanks, well, sorry if your tanks fight in different countries 5-6 times more often, naturally the video and photos of the wrecked tanks will be many times larger than the video other tanks that do not even appear on the real battlefield!
        3. Wedmak
          Wedmak 15 October 2015 12: 44 New
          +1
          So where to test the T-14, if not in the army? They will deliver a couple of dozens, conduct exercises, then analyze the actions and work of the equipment.
      2.  pistons
        pistons 15 October 2015 12: 43 New
        +1
        I doubt it very much. The deadlines for corvettes, frigates, submarines, PAK FA have been shifted, and for Armata too.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2015 12: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        At 2016, delivery to military trials will begin. Presumably, not in 1-2 pieces will be delivered, but in dozens.

        хотелось бы через год у Вас спросить,сколько "десятков" поставили...думаю ни сколько. и это не шутка,такая инфа...
        1.  pistons
          pistons 15 October 2015 12: 47 New
          0
          I can even answer, ahem in a year,
          It’s okay, the T-72 and T-90 are not much worse than Armata, Armata is extremely expensive and difficult to operate, and it’s a crime to put an unfinished tank into the army.
          1. Shuttle
            Shuttle 15 October 2015 15: 29 New
            0
            Quote: pistons
            I can even answer, ahem in a year,
            It’s okay, the T-72 and T-90 are not much worse than Armata, Armata is extremely expensive and difficult to operate, and it’s a crime to put an unfinished tank into the army.

            Again. Armata is a concept, the transition to a robotic remote-controlled technology, and not the Russian MBT.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 15 October 2015 15: 41 New
              +1
              Armata is a concept, the transition to robotic telecontrol technology

              Армата - это тяжелая гусеничная унифицированная платформа прежде всего. Что там на нее навешают, вопрос второй. Роботизированная телеуправляемая техника - это уже отдельная статья и отдельное ОКР. Если сохранят принцип модульности и единой платформы, то будет возможно и "старые" Т-72 сделать новыми. Как вам идея танкового взвода из пары Т-14 и 3-4 роботизированных Т-72? Список тактических приемов возрастает многократно.
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 15 October 2015 12: 50 New
          0
          хотелось бы через год у Вас спросить,сколько "десятков" поставили...думаю ни сколько. и это не шутка,такая инфа...

          Agreed wink
    2. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 15 October 2015 12: 34 New
      +4
      Ukrainians will return $ 3 billion - enough for 375 Armat, or more for large-scale production.
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    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2015 12: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Sauron80
      promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in troops

      forget about this figure, is it not obvious that the emphasis is on 72 and 90?
      1.  pistons
        pistons 15 October 2015 12: 57 New
        +1
        More precisely on the T-72
      2. propaganda NO
        propaganda NO 15 October 2015 13: 05 New
        +2
        and you have reliable information about the number or at least a percentage of the t-90 tank to the total number of tanks in the whole of rf.
    4. Homo
      Homo 15 October 2015 12: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Sauron80
      And what year they promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in the troops, remind me please?

      What is this said? Now this situation is developing, that a lot of tanks may be needed, but there is no way to replace it immediately with the T-90 and Armata. The surest way out is to extend the life of the T-72! Or can you suggest something else?
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 October 2015 14: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Sauron80
      And what year they promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in the troops, remind me please?

      What is 3000 tanks for a country like Russia?
    6. user
      user 15 October 2015 15: 09 New
      +1
      When we will dispose of the T-72 we honestly do not know


      I don’t understand why they should be written off, upgraded to the level of Terminator-2, and it will be difficult to find the best combat vehicle to participate in the restricted military zone.
    7. Shuttle
      Shuttle 15 October 2015 15: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Sauron80
      And what year they promise 2000 or 3000 Armat to put in the troops, remind me please?

      If someone else does not understand, then Armata is a transitional tank to a fully telecontrolled. Armata and nafig in all the troops did not give up.
      A real new long-lived tank will not appear after Armata. Armata will be similar to it no more than BT-2 is similar to IS-3 or PT-76.
  2. sailor
    sailor 15 October 2015 12: 09 New
    -21
    Here is Armata for you
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 15 October 2015 12: 15 New
      16
      Quote: Sailor
      Here is Armata for you


      started ... T72 in the current configuration is not much inferior to T90 ..

      but you will not say how much the disposal of T72?

      In addition, in the modernized version 72 acquires even more export potential for those who do not pull the T90 .. and Armata is planned to be replaced .. thousands of thousands can not be quickly replaced ..
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 15 October 2015 12: 27 New
        +1
        vorobey In addition, in the modernized version 72 acquires even more export potential for those who do not pull the T90 .. and Armata is planned to be replaced .. thousands of thousands can not be quickly replaced ..
        A thousand thousand is a million, we do not have so many tanks. (well, I think so) hi laughing
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        2. gjv
          gjv 15 October 2015 13: 00 New
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          Quote: keel 31
          A thousand thousand is a million, we do not have so many tanks. (well, I think so)

          About 14 of all modifications in operation and storage.
        3. vorobey
          vorobey 15 October 2015 14: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: keel 31
          A thousand thousand is a million, we do not have so many tanks. (well, I think so)


          I imagine that you would answer the number of milen wink
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      3. gjv
        gjv 15 October 2015 12: 55 New
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        but you will not say how much the disposal of T72?

        In 2012, the average price of a BTT disposal contract was 60-65 thousand rubles per unit of equipment, excluding transportation costs for delivery to the disposal site.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 15 October 2015 13: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: gjv
          In 2012, the average price of a BTT disposal contract was 60-65 thousand rubles per unit of equipment, excluding transportation costs for delivery to the disposal site.


          Where do you get this data from? .. they take the metallolm more expensive ... I need to shoot for this ..

          show me where it is I myself will deal with such a disposal .. 40000 kg of high alloy steel and a half steering ... laughing
          1. kil 31
            kil 31 15 October 2015 14: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            Quote: gjv
            In 2012, the average price of a BTT disposal contract was 60-65 thousand rubles per unit of equipment, excluding transportation costs for delivery to the disposal site.


            Where do you get this data from? .. they take the metallolm more expensive ... I need to shoot for this ..

            show me where it is I myself will deal with such a disposal .. 40000 kg of high alloy steel and a half steering ... laughing

            The devil is not lucky for me, ahead of me. crying Take me as an assistant. You can not pay with money. For help cutting five tanks, one tank to me. winked
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          3. gjv
            gjv 15 October 2015 16: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            I myself will be engaged in such disposal ..

            No objection. Obtain a license and dispose of it, having previously received an advance from the Ministry of Defense. Figures from the protocol of the court decision. There, one office sued because the Moscow Region did not transfer the advance payment stipulated in the contract for the disposal of a certain number of BTT units. In turn, the Moscow Region filed a counterclaim to the office. The MO claim was: Disposal was not carried out at the site indicated in the license. What is the difference MO in what area the tank sawed? request
            And the average cost here is what happened - 60-65 thousand rubles per tank. This is a payment from MO. Can you pay for such a payment alone for a certain period of time, cut more than 40 tons of high-alloy iron? And if under the contract there are 100-200 of them? I'm making fun of it. We need equipment, workers - a small plant, like TRZ. And you won’t get profit until you sell iron. Do you think it’s like hot cakes? That is unlikely.
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 15 October 2015 17: 43 New
              0
              Quote: gjv
              Quote: vorobey
              I myself will be engaged in such disposal ..

              No objection. Obtain a license and dispose of it, having previously received an advance from the Ministry of Defense. Figures from the protocol of the court decision. There, one office sued because the Moscow Region did not transfer the advance payment stipulated in the contract for the disposal of a certain number of BTT units. In turn, the Moscow Region filed a counterclaim to the office. The MO claim was: Disposal was not carried out at the site indicated in the license. What is the difference MO in what area the tank sawed? request
              And the average cost here is what happened - 60-65 thousand rubles per tank. This is a payment from MO. Can you pay for such a payment alone for a certain period of time, cut more than 40 tons of high-alloy iron? And if under the contract there are 100-200 of them? I'm making fun of it. We need equipment, workers - a small plant, like TRZ. And you won’t get profit until you sell iron. Do you think it’s like hot cakes? That is unlikely.

              Which one is unlikely. We have a metallurgical plant with its hands torn off, with the export itself. For the money for cher.met. and advance payment from MO. I will tear them with my hands, like a cardboard into the necessary pieces.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 15 October 2015 19: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: gjv
                And the average cost here is what happened - 60-65 thousand rubles per tank.


                give a link ... I want to make sure that this is a tank and not a BRDM or MTLB with plasticine armor that is cut like butter with a regular autogenous ..
                1. wk
                  wk 16 October 2015 02: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  which is cut like butter with an ordinary autogenous ..

                  you won’t cut aluminum with gas .... any welder knows!
                  1. gjv
                    gjv 17 October 2015 10: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: wk
                    you won’t cut aluminum with gas .... any welder knows!

                    Waterjet cutting or plasma arc cutting. Both technologies are not very cheap.
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                3. gjv
                  gjv 16 October 2015 11: 15 New
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                  Quote: vorobey
                  give a link ... I want to make sure that this is a tank

                  there’s no reference to that material at hand, it’s just the average price from memory, but there were exactly the T-72, T-80 tanks, also BREMs and armored personnel carriers in quantities for a hundred of each model. Here is another contract offer in 2013 for a smaller number and BMP are present. The average price is higher - 69000 rubles. Although specifically BMP is certainly cheaper, it corresponds to a smaller mass. At the conclusion of the contract, require an advance from the MO. A common practice is upfront recycling of 70-80%.
                  Utilization of T-64 and modif. - 75.22.11 - PC - 4 - 110959 - 443836.00
                  Disposal of BMP-1 and modif. - 75.22.11 - PC - 2 - 41090 - 82180.00
                  Disposal of BMP-2 and modif. - 75.22.11 - PC - 2 - 41090 - 82180.00
                  BTS and modif. - 75.22.11 - ШТ - 4 - 57020 - 228080.00

                  http://www.gostorgi.ru/44-538834
              2. gjv
                gjv 16 October 2015 11: 21 New
                0
                Quote: keel 31
                I will tear them with my hands, like a cardboard into the necessary pieces.

                The mighty Russian people. Especially Igory! hi For me, please tear off the breech from the gun - a good souvenir will be a keepsake.
      4.  pistons
        pistons 15 October 2015 13: 01 New
        +2
        I recycle for free, 40 tons of stainless steel ... Oh, breathtaking from the prospects wink
    2. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 15 October 2015 12: 29 New
      0
      Yeah thanks
    3. wk
      wk 15 October 2015 23: 04 New
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      Quote: Sailor
      Here is Armata for you

      ..... well, what can I say to you FAN FARMERS! ..... UVZ Yeltsin’s sharashka ..... Shoigu, her active lobbyist ... ate money for Armata .... ate! ..... continue tearing farts at Serdyukov, and Vasilyev .... and admire the first marshal of the fire forces!

      армия убивается показухой "биатлонов" "дартсов" "суворовских прорывов"
      2020 armament program failed! names? Rogozin Shoigu and K *
  3. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 15 October 2015 12: 09 New
    0
    Interesting news. Are the plans for the release of the new T-14 and T-90 changing? Or have you decided to seriously study the issue of robot tanks?
    1. Saburov
      Saburov 15 October 2015 12: 18 New
      17
      The old horse will not spoil the furrow ... although it doesn’t plow deeply, but if you look at the track record of the old T-72, then he is more than impressive, as he has shown himself worthy in many conflicts, although many fans of pop ... even I’ve never seen a combat vehicle in my eyes, they like to show photos with torn towers (often the same ones), so I’ll answer you as a doctor or as a graduate of the ChVTKU BK more often than not burn out than detonate, for my service I only saw twice jerked BC and then on 80, but I saw how 72 came with three sticking out in bro e grenades and half the cut-off of cumulative jet engine, while losing 80% capacity, so thanks to the Soviet steelmakers! A worthy modernization will only enhance its capabilities, and armor ... it is also armor in Africa ....
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 15 October 2015 12: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Saburov
        CTU


        I am fly agaric .. and you? Ours are here .. Major071 - also a fly agaric in one company studied .. laughing
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 15 October 2015 12: 27 New
          +1
          Greetings, and we once called Kobzari!
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 15 October 2015 12: 28 New
        +6
        Вчера на одной из веток форума )) как модернизация "Абрамса" так крякалки про распил )) laughing
        Сегодня статья про продление срока для Т-72. а вчера была про модернизацию абрамса где наши распильщики крякалки заминусовали парня только за предположение что у пин.дос.ов ПЛАНОВАЯ МОДЕРНИЗАЦИЯ а не ответ на "Армату"! )))
        Scoun SU Yesterday, 16:17
        Quote: Longmire
        Quote: sinukvl
        Это, что ответ на нашу "Армату", что бы свое самолюбие утешить

        is it a planned modernization, and by the way, how old have Armat, 2.5 prototypes already been riveted there? laughing

        )))
        Да как Вы "смеете" что-то писать про американцев в положительном ключе?! Вы засланный "казачок", это только мы имеем право модернизировать Т-72 и это не является распилом а есть модернизация. laughing ++ ))
        And you spoil your karma with ur comment quack quack crackers)))
        Нет **я, американцы должны сесть, заплакать. опустить руки со словами ааа! у русских "Армата" а мы просраливсеполимеры! При этом тактично умолчав что в ближайшем будущем Армат как и Т-90 с гулькин нос и основным боевым танком в разных модификациях (при чем не всегда удачных) остается Т-72.
        laughing
        Damn, at such a pace, I’ll soon jump to trolling utryakryalok)))

        Aw grunts! )))
        PS.
        T-72 is an excellent tank requiring modernization consistent with the current realities of life. I am for.
        а в "Армату" все равно только профи будут допускать а как массовый танк Т-72 самое оно.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 15 October 2015 12: 40 New
          +1
          So the Americans did not roll out a brand new tank. If I’m not mistaken, even there are no plans to replace Abrams with anything. And somehow they kept silent about the cumulative shells for Abrams. Scored on this case?
          1.  pistons
            pistons 15 October 2015 13: 06 New
            -2
            Well, the Americans didn’t roll out to the square in front of the White House, a tank that didn’t exist yet to hit everyone and everything
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 15 October 2015 13: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            So americans nor a brand new tank rolled out

            Conceptually, a new tank was rolled out only by us.
            All the other tanks ... how should I put it right ...
            У нас после Т-72 были и Т-80, и Т-90, и попытка "Черный Орёл" (очень хорошо но очень дорого и когда средства не оправдывают себя)
            US modifications of Abrams
            in Germany leopard
            France Leclerc
            and so on
            "Новые танки" released China, Japan (with a German gun) and Korea (black panther)
            But these are all tanks of the previous generation from which almost all of their capabilities were pumped, further a stupor as there are no other new technologies.
            В общем это все достаточно очевидные вещи, Единственное что я бы хотел отметить по "Армате", первая партия "Армат" будет и должна быть не большой, так как уже сейчас в процессе "изготовления" появляются новые технические и технологические решения. Вторая часть с модернизацией уже на процентов 15% будет лучше.
        2. Themi30
          Themi30 15 October 2015 13: 29 New
          +3
          Scoun
          Bravo lol
          Double standards are bad, especially in their ranks.
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      3. Tanker55
        Tanker55 15 October 2015 12: 46 New
        +3
        Thanks for the good koment! Hello everyone! Personally, for 2 years on the T-72 he served as a driver in Novosibirsk.
        Not once in the exercises were the Tom River and all sorts of different things. The car is very good, reliable and simple. I love this tank.
  4. Engineer
    Engineer 15 October 2015 12: 10 New
    +5
    What kind of talk went about recycling? Replace gradually with new models, not forgetting to upgrade old ones. In addition, our equipment is very popular in BV, so why dispose of it, if you can, if not donate it, at least sell it for some money?
  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 15 October 2015 12: 11 New
    +4
    When we will dispose of the T-72 we honestly do not know

    Well yes. Half a century to the tank, e ... But now they will develop a network remote control of the tank, and there will be a logical idea to cram it not only into the T-90, but also into hundreds of T-72. How do you like that? The hellish picture turns out, the terminator is just resting.
    1. biznaw
      biznaw 15 October 2015 12: 26 New
      0
      Yeah. Suddenly a magician will fly in a blue helicopter ... and turn on the Lever ... and a forester on a T-70 tractor will leave the forest and expel all the Terminators in fig ..
  6. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 15 October 2015 12: 14 New
    +5
    And how many times have we extended the resource for ICBMs in 90? And they did reach relatively happy times - not everything was cut, not everything fell apart, and there is a new one. You look, and on the T-72 we will reach good times. Moreover, maybe in World of Tanks adult children do not like them very much, but in life, they have reliable, well-deserved equipment that still trains.
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 15 October 2015 12: 14 New
    +4
    yes, a good kind of exoskeleton for a tank, time-tested, like that, there would be bones, and the meat would grow, like this by hanging outwardly different harness (protection, weapons) upgrading the engine and transmission, you can extend the life of the T-72 grandfather for a long time ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 15 October 2015 12: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Volka
      like this, by hanging outwardly various harnesses (protection, weapons), modernizing the engine and transmission, you can prolong the life of the T-72 grandfather for a long time

      In the end, the spoon was invented by Avon when, but we still use it! laughing

      But seriously - now they release cars, for example. 4 wheels, engine, seats, doors, hood, trunk, steering wheel, brake. When was the principle invented? In recent years, 100 has definitely not changed anything. Well, there, the softness of the seats, the quality of painting, engine power, reliability of the brakes, air conditioning, music. And PRINCIPLE THAT - NOTHING! So it is here. Кто мешает ставить новые движки, пушки, броню и прочее? Если "скелет" оптимален и гармоничен...
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 October 2015 12: 14 New
    +1
    The mobilization reserve must also be combat-ready. And 72 is still running and shooting. No wonder it was her and not the T-90 who were chased at the biathlon. We have a lot of them. quite combat-ready (after modernization) cars. Do not rationally put them in the stove. Yes, and they will buy with pleasure.
    1. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 15 October 2015 12: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      72 is still running and shooting.

      Допускаю, что есть планы перевести "старые" танки на дистанционное управление. При использовании Т-72 в "беспилотном" варианте можно и экипажи сберечь, и опыта набраться, чтобы потом использовать всё это при боевом применении "Арматы".
  9. roskot
    roskot 15 October 2015 12: 17 New
    +1
    "When we will dispose of T-72 we, frankly, do not know," added Khalitov.

    Here it is issued.
    There is life on Mars, there is no life on Mars - we still don’t know.
    1. mitrich
      mitrich 15 October 2015 14: 31 New
      0
      "When we will dispose of T-72 we, frankly, do not know," added Khalitov.

      Here it is issued.
      There is life on Mars, there is no life on Mars - we still don’t know.

      Наверно, говоря это, принял на "грудь" столько же, сколько и киногерой. lol
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  11. vladimirw
    vladimirw 15 October 2015 12: 19 New
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    Great, you have to save money
  12. Pogran
    Pogran 15 October 2015 12: 21 New
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    Ukraine is preparing for a legal war with Russia, he said. According to him, Ukraine will demand from the Russian Federation at least $ 1 trillion for the Crimea and the Donbass, in short, as I understand it, they will still have to us, for the rent of the Crimea since 1954
  13. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 15 October 2015 12: 22 New
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    Да как бы ни хотелось уже получить в войска "Армату", но тонка кишка у нас сейчас. Печатали бы доллары как США , то можно бы было рассчитывать на такой вариант, но такое невозможно. Потому нужно улучшать то, что есть и на что хватает сил и средств.
  14. Fight cat
    Fight cat 15 October 2015 12: 38 New
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    it is necessary to transfer most of the T-72 tanks to the BMPT-72 crew less, mobility is better, booking is better, control is even easier than in the T-72.
  15. gukoyan
    gukoyan 15 October 2015 12: 59 New
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    Why dispose of?
    They will give Syria, they really need excellent tanks.
  16. kizhe
    kizhe 15 October 2015 13: 04 New
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    Dispose of must not continue to be used. Put a comma.
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  18. gryaznov.igor.
    gryaznov.igor. 15 October 2015 14: 01 New
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    it’s necessary to build t-90cm and armata, and sell the t-72 slowly to Africa, to the Arabs, it’s necessary to add new weapons to the army,
  19. AlexTires
    AlexTires 15 October 2015 14: 06 New
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    It’s too early to dump such a tank into the dustbin of history, the whole question is how profitable its further modernization ...
  20. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 October 2015 21: 10 New
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    Надо их оснастить до уровня "Грузинского" и послужат. Стабилизатор поменять на электрический.
  21. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 October 2015 06: 55 New
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    Yes, let it extend.
    There is a backlog for modernization.
    Yes and no, so far there have been potential opponents against whom the T-72 could not cope.
    I mean real ones, with which we will enter into real clashes in the near future.
    1. Sauron80
      Sauron80 16 October 2015 11: 39 New
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      And who are you planning to engage in clashes with in the near future? Can I name it?