Russian "SkyNet", which is not

Creating an automated control system for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is a guarantee of victory in a modern war.


The effectiveness of the use of troops, the defense capability of Russia as a whole is largely dependent on the automated management processes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and how fully the capabilities of modern information technologies are used. And over time, this dependence will only increase.

Preparation for war is conducted in peacetime. Consequently, the issues of automating the daily activities of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are no less important than the actual command and control of troops during combat operations. This determines the relevance of the creation and implementation of automated military systems (AS VN) in the RF Armed Forces.

Undeservedly little attention is paid to problems in this area in the mass media and in specialized publications. Published materials, as a rule, are either too general, theoretical in nature, or are frankly advertising.

In this connection, the articles by the retired colonel Valery Ivanov, published in the magazine Aerospace Defense (No. 4, 2014) and in the weekly Military Industrial Courier (No. 20, 2014 and No. 33, 2015), are of undoubted interest. For the first time, the problem of creating an automated control system of the Armed Forces of the RF is described in such detail in the open press.

There are many systems, but there is no system


Estimates given by Ivanov’s state of affairs in the field of automating the leadership of the RF Armed Forces are mostly fair. However, it is advisable to clarify the subject matter. Referring to the results of activities in this area, it is customary to talk about the implementation and operation of various AS HH AS, including ACS troops. The scale of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is about the ACS of the RF Armed Forces. It is appropriate to ask the question: what is the ACS of the RF Armed Forces? Several existing definitions can be summarized as follows: The ACS of the RF Armed Forces is a set of automated systems of various levels that provide control over the RF Armed Forces.

“ACS, if they were created as components of the AFS of the RF Armed Forces, must be compatible and interoperable”
Is this enough to understand what a created construction is? Probably not. The problem is that well-known formulations can be interpreted ambiguously and cause many questions in practice.

For example, there is an army deployed on the objects of the ACS, built on the same principles as other ACS systems. But it functions autonomously, although it fully implements the requirements that were formulated in the tactical and technical requirements. Formally, it can be attributed to the totality of other structures, allegedly constituting the AF of the RF Armed Forces. It is possible that it rather successfully provides guidance to the troops in its area of ​​responsibility, but does not have a key feature that can truly characterize it as part of a higher level ACS, since the interaction processes between the components must be automated. It makes no sense to call a single automated control system a set of separate tools, between which there is no automated interaction. While in real life quite often this happens - the desired is given for the real.

In addition, considering the actual effectiveness of an autonomous ACS by the troops from our example, one cannot but notice the following circumstance. It cannot be considered sufficiently effective if it is unable to automatically interact “horizontally” and “vertically” of the system.

Russian "SkyNet", which is not


Suppose this ACS is used to control groups of forces that have their own ACS operating at a subordinate level. How will the information about the composition, condition of its troops, the reconnoitered enemy, and the current conditions for conducting military actions be transmitted from bottom to top? How will the interaction take place horizontally - with the command and control bodies? How will the higher command points get the data? How, finally, to bring the team to the subordinate troops?

If you do not automate processes, then it turns out that we are dealing with a banal exchange of documents, except in a more modern electronic form. These documents will most likely turn out to be non-formalized, that is, understandable only to a person, since nobody thought about automating data transfer and ensuring the necessary compatibility with external systems when creating an autonomous ACS. Well, if the files will be delivered by e-mail, it will speed up the process.

If the exchange of information begins between the ACS from our example, then precious time will also be spent on manually entering the same data into each of the systems independently functioning at its own level. Very often it happens now. The interaction, if it is technically implemented at all, is at best reduced to the exchange of non-formalized documents and layers of electronic maps, which, like old dispatches, can only be perceived by humans.

The pledge of victory in a war is information superiority, which is achieved by a high awareness of the situation on the battlefield and the ability to effectively lead your troops. This thesis is proven by the world history and especially relevant today. The armed conflicts of the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st centuries convincingly demonstrate that the advantage of the one of the opposing sides that most effectively manages the troops. Today it is impossible without the use of information technology.

The main criteria for the effectiveness of automation of management processes include the time required to perform certain actions, the amount of material and human resources expended, the quality of the processed data, including their accuracy, relevance, accuracy, completeness and availability, degree of satisfaction with the information received from the needs of officials .

Conductor must be alone


Automated control coverage of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can serve as a fairly accurate assessment of the success of work carried out in the interests of creating a promising ACS of the RF Armed Forces, the boundaries of which will extend very widely. To cope with this task is possible only by directly proceeding with the design. It is first required to determine the tasks of the Armed Forces Management, establish all the necessary requirements and assess the available resources necessary for its creation.

At the same time, it is already possible to say now that the ACS of the RF Armed Forces should carry out end-to-end automated control from the strategic to the tactical level.

Obvious evidence of the importance of this requirement is a principle that should be followed in a rationally constructed ACS, namely the principle of a single entry of information. The primary sources of data about their troops, about the enemy, and about the conditions for conducting military operations are at the tactical level. These data should be available within the system in the primary, processed or aggregated form without the need to re-enter them at any level.

In addition, tactical units (aircraft, ships, land combat vehicles) are carriers of weapons of destruction. Planning their use and actual use is the task of command posts at the operational and strategic levels. The possibility of direct leadership of these carriers in the course of performing combat missions from the highest levels of control, including the real-time change of flight missions to means of destruction, is now in demand and quite realizable.

Modern military actions are primarily the actions of interspecific groupings of troops. In order for them to become effective, the ACS of military formations must be ready for automated interaction.

Aware of what has been said, it can be concluded that the ACS of the RF Armed Forces is a complex structure consisting of many components dispersed over vast territories. Considering that parts of this system should solve various tasks, and this in turn will lead to features in implementation, it will turn out to be heterogeneous both in terms of the variety of functions performed and in terms of the technical solutions used.

At the same time, these automated control systems, if they were created as components of the automated control system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, should be compatible with each other and interoperable. And this requirement must be extended not only to the ACS by the troops, but also to the onboard controls of tactical units, if they are included in the corresponding circuit of the ACS of the RF Armed Forces.

It is reasonable to ask the question: is it correct to speak about the ACS in this case at all? Is this term too narrow? Indeed, he does not accurately and fully characterize the subject of discussion, because we are not talking about a separate, fairly homogeneous structure, but about the totality of many heterogeneous systems. That is, it is advisable to choose a more suitable term, giving it a clear definition. American journalists often use the word “skynet” borrowed from the movie “Terminator”. But for clarity, we will leave the well-established term - ACS of the RF Armed Forces.

No step without a project


A prospective automated control system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that meets all modern requirements cannot be created within one or even several interrelated developmental works. Its development will require the implementation of a long-term target program and high-quality military-scientific and operational support from the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

It is necessary to soberly assess the risks. The objectives of the program and the activities included in it must be realistic, taking into account the available financial resources, time, qualifications of developers, production capacity and the availability of organizational and staff structures that will be engaged in the operation of the system.

You need to start with the development and testing of key technical solutions for the pilot area, and not immediately across the country. And after that you can begin to fully deploy.

Many will probably wonder: what is the novelty of the thesis about the need for a targeted program? Corresponding planning has been going on for a long time; every five years, the State Arms Program is adopted, under which relevant measures are carried out.

That's right. However, to achieve any goal you need to have a clear idea about it, an opportunity to evaluate the real results of the work and, if necessary, adjust the approaches. This is the main problem of creating a promising ACS of the RF Armed Forces.

First of all, the goal. In this case, it is completely obvious. It is necessary to build a complex ACS of the RF Armed Forces, which would meet the specified requirements. Work can be started if they are established, realizable taking into account the existing restrictions, risks are acceptable and the appearance of the system is determined.

Thus, the goal of the program is the implementation of the conceived appearance of the RF ACS. It is necessary to design and document in detail its architecture, covering the description of the functional and non-functional requirements, the structure and interrelationships of the components, technology.

This is an extremely time-consuming, but certainly necessary process, without which the creation of structures comparable in complexity to the prospective ACS of the RF Armed Forces is now unthinkable. Approaches to the development and description of the appearance of such structures are well known and widely used abroad, including in military ministries of various countries.

When talking about standards for specific technical solutions, it is necessary to understand that they can appear only after taking into account all the requirements imposed on the system under consideration, according to the results of designing its architecture, developing or choosing these solutions, standards from among those that already exist.

One of the most common mistakes in the past was the desire of customers to impose strict requirements on the developers of automation tools regarding the mandatory use of so-called basic information technologies, which were created outside the context of the structure of the automated control system of the RF Armed Forces due to its absence at that time. An example is the indication of the ubiquitous use of a geographic information system that is suitable for solving far from all applied problems. The request for the mandatory use of such technologies, apparently, pursued the goal of ensuring compatibility between separate constructions. But this problem can be solved only within the framework of the general architecture of the automated control system of the RF Armed Forces. During the design process, it is necessary to find solutions that ensure the functional, technical and informational compatibility of the component parts, allowing in practice to organize proper interaction.

Of course, a promising ACS of the RF Armed Forces must be built on technical solutions defined by a single architecture. But it would be wrong to hope that the change of generations of the ACS will occur simultaneously. The new automated control system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will have to exist for a long time surrounded by inherited automated systems.

A common mistake is a poorly justified requirement to integrate existing and developed designs. In this case, as a rule, the tasks of interaction are described only in general terms, the amount of necessary improvements is not evaluated, and the organization of work performance is not determined. In most cases, starting to create a new automated control system and making demands on it to ensure interaction with the many existing systems, the need for their refinement is not taken into account.

In conditions when each part defined for integration has its own customer, developer and operator, such requests should be carefully worked out, proving their expediency taking into account the existing possibilities of implementation.

An important feature of the promising ACS of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will be its continuous evolution, manifested in the expansion of the coverage of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with the addition of new means to it, in increasing functionality and improving technologies. Requirements that will ensure their inclusion in the automated control system of the RF Armed Forces should be made to the newly created and modernized automated control systems, samples of weapons and military equipment. In order to be feasible, an open system should be created.

The main criterion for the success of the implementation of the target program will be the creation of the automated control system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which in practice embodies the developed architecture. Evaluation of its performance on the basis of specified parameters and criteria and, if necessary, adjustment should be carried out continuously. Completeness of the implementation of the established requirements and the coverage of the RF armed forces by automated control can be the main for evaluating the results of the program.

Departmental deadlock


Project management of this level of complexity, an objective assessment of their performance are the most difficult tasks of a primarily organizational nature. We should not expect progress if important automation works with similar goals and tasks will be conducted in parallel, but uncoordinated, and their results will not receive an objective response. Regardless of whether the assessment is positive or negative, the forward movement is feasible only when conclusions are drawn from the mistakes made, continuity and consistency in the implementation of work aimed at achieving a known goal is ensured.

Recently, it has often been said that all problems can be solved by the appointment of a general designer. Perhaps, if he will be able to develop the architecture of a promising ACS of the RF Armed Forces and its implementation within the framework of a targeted program. The participation of all interested parties, representing both the Ministry of Defense of Russia and enterprises and organizations directly performing the work, is necessary.

The statement that the general designer representing a particular enterprise will be able to successfully lead the process of creating the automated control system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation at the required level and achieve significant results is in serious doubt. The experience of the last two decades is not confirmed. Such primacy is incompatible with the principles of a market economy, no matter how we relate to it, does not ensure effective management of the complex of works, undermines healthy competition and ultimately inevitably leads to stagnation.

According to the author’s deep conviction, in modern conditions, only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation can successfully fulfill the role of the general designer of the ACS of the RF Armed Forces. This provides for the management of the design of the architecture of a promising ACS of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (and its accompaniment), as well as the development and implementation of an appropriate target program. And if today the Russian Ministry of Defense is not ready for this, it means that it is advisable to acquire the necessary competencies as quickly as possible.

Thus, the main problem in the field of automating the processes of control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, according to the author, is the lack of a clear understanding of the desired goals and objectives, the solution of which will allow it to be achieved.

The first step in this direction should be a concept that gives a clear definition of the automated control system of the RF Armed Forces, establishing its purpose, boundaries, construction principles, main directions and stages of creation (development). The source of the requirements that will be specified in the tactical-technical (technical) tasks for specific jobs provided for by this program can only be the architecture of the prospective ACS of the RF Armed Forces.

The ultimate success depends largely on the focus, consistency and overall organization of the work and on the objectivity of the assessments of the results obtained.

Obviously, there are much more problematic issues arising in the course of practical activities in this area than are covered in this publication. Discussion of ways to solve them by a wide range of relevant specialists, undoubtedly, should contribute to the onward movement towards the intended goal.
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  1. Altona 14 October 2015 14: 24 New
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    The article is certainly interesting, but complicated ... The author would probably be better off giving a flow chart than writing a lot of obscure words ... It’s better to see once than read a hundred times ... I’d explain on the fingers ...
    1. Finches 14 October 2015 14: 32 New
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      Yes, unfortunately, the problem of joints is a very big problem! Only now have you finally come to understand the absolute unification of communications and automation! But from understanding to implementation - the most difficult and expensive step that is absolutely necessary to take! Moreover, one cannot be limited only to the framework of the Armed Forces, the possibility of interaction should cover the entire spectrum of modern equipment - civil and any other agency!
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      1. MIKHALYCH1 14 October 2015 14: 42 New
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        Discussion of ways to solve them by a wide range of relevant specialists, undoubtedly, should contribute to the progressive movement towards the intended goal.

        Aha, we’ll start discussing right now and we’ll post all the calculations here ..! Or is there a brave ..? There are automatic machines that will work, but where and how no one knows. hi
        1. VEKT 15 October 2015 12: 07 New
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          Aha, we’ll start discussing right now and we’ll post all the calculations here ..! Or is there a brave ..? There are automatic machines that will work, but where and how no one knows. hi

          Soon there will be no one left who knows.
          I honestly and openly say that if you want to harm the country, then you should invest in the training of IT specialists in the Russian Federation. Impossible to do more harm
          Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2832376

          This is said by Internet Ombudsman Dmitry Marinichev. Government official.
    3. vladnn2015 14 October 2015 14: 56 New
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      precious time will also be spent on manual input of the same data into each of the systems autonomously functioning at their level

      Yes, this is the weakness of our ACS, but this is the strength! It will be much more difficult for spies and hackers to carry out their subversive activities! Although ACS is definitely needed!
      1. Lelek 14 October 2015 17: 51 New
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        Quote: vladnn2015
        Yes, this is the weakness of our ACS, but this is the strength! It will be much more difficult for spies and hackers to carry out their subversive activities! Although ACS is definitely needed


        It is necessary to build an ACS on YOUR programs and YOUR IRON, but it is equally important to protect the system. It seems that to solve these problems we have the strength, desire and head. Everything will be fine. yes
        1. gridasov 15 October 2015 12: 18 New
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          Promising information systems are most likely to work on a completely different protection principle. Its essence is that information, as it is already happening now, is an open resource and accessible to everyone. However, the analysis of this information will be available only to those who have an understanding of the algorithms for working with the ultrahigh potential of the total capacity of this info. space. The likelihood that such algorithms can be uncovered is very small, since the necessary info-flows of the structure will work only in the direction of certain system landmarks. Ie everything happens as it happens in the nature of the development of events and like her.
  2. 3 Gorynych 14 October 2015 14: 30 New
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    the main problem in the field of automation of the control processes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, according to the author, is the lack of a clear understanding of the desired goal and tasks, the solution of which will achieve it.
    Nobody understands them yet - because the great generals are a phenomenon! A. Azimov - he wrote about robotics for a long time ... Read,! And how to combine all the nuances of management in ACS - it’s never real! too many different nuances ... from technical to human ...
    1. gridasov 14 October 2015 20: 01 New
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      Everything is not so difficult to dramatize. It is just that logic should not be separated by deductive and inductive analysis, but combined. In other words, expanding knowledge you need to go along the path of a constant process of optimization and simplicity. As in nature there is nothing superfluous and everything is in a harmonious relationship. The variety of different nuances is compensated by the uniformity of processuality. All processes are energetically uniform and in their diversity of levels of interconnection, they, in principle, the organization of processes are carried out on the same basis. The question is in the understanding that the simple equivalents of the description in the form of numerical codes are corny simply transformed from a function variable to a constant. Once people knew about it and now you just need to remember.
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    dsi 14 October 2015 14: 32 New
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    Why did the MORF create scientific companies. Flag in their hands.
    An important feature of the promising ACS of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will be its continuous evolution, manifested in the expansion of the coverage of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with the addition of new tools, in increasing the functionality and improving technologies.

    But this is a crucial condition.
  4. bmv04636 14 October 2015 14: 32 New
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    Now, let’s take a close look, and where in Russia are they swearing the most? Of course in the army. That is, this is the language that is most often used in the army. Such is our army language culture. Is it bad?
    When analyzing World War II, American military historians discovered a very interesting fact. Namely, in a sudden clash with the Japanese forces, Americans, as a rule, made decisions much faster - and, as a result, even superior enemy forces won. Having studied this pattern, scientists came to the conclusion that the average word length for Americans is 5.2 characters, while for the Japanese 10.8. Consequently, it took 56% less time for the Americans to give orders, which plays an important role in a short battle. For the sake of "interest", they analyzed Russian speech - and it turned out that the length of a word in Russian is 7.2 characters per word (on average). However, in critical situations, the Russian-speaking command staff switches to profanity - and the word length is reduced to (!) 3.2 characters in the word. This is due to the fact that some phrases and even phrases are replaced with one word. For example, the phrase:

    Full information:
    32nd - I order the immediate destruction of an enemy tank firing at our positions on the right;

    Russian combat team:
    32nd - eh-b-n-and that x-y-o on the right!
    The command is not only transferred to its intended purpose, but at the same time it is encrypted and the information is completely incomprehensible to a non-Russian enemy in a short-term air or hand-to-hand combat. The brevity and encryption of the team, it is literally crucial in the battle at short distances, which was the main type of battle throughout the history of mankind. The mat is already in the genes of all the boys in Russia and is indestructible. They start talking on it.
    Thus, the Russian mat is an absolutely necessary part of military culture and part of the centuries-old history of not only the Russian people, but also all the peoples of Russia. We all fought with one army.
    Swearing obscenities in a peaceful environment is certainly not good, and if someone swears, then this indicates his overexcited state and in a peaceful atmosphere compromises the speaker - ugly. In battle - fine!
    Some scholars believe that words and expressions came from the Tatar language, which fought with the Russians in the same army. It is also possible.
    CONCLUSION
    Russian mate is the language of combat control. laughing
    the text uses profanity for earlier apologize
    1. Kostyar 14 October 2015 14: 37 New
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      Interestingly, I also thought about this!
      I fully support!
      1. Amurets 14 October 2015 16: 30 New
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        And for the basis of encryption, take the Explanatory Dictionary of the Russian mat of Professor Tatyana Akhmetova.
    2. 3 Gorynych 14 October 2015 14: 39 New
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      Gorgeous comment !!! good
    3. ermak.sidorov 14 October 2015 14: 42 New
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      Logical, practical, fun, but NOT CENSOR wassat
      1. engineer74 14 October 2015 15: 30 New
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        Quote: ermak.sidorov
        Logical, practical, fun, but NOT CENSOR wassat

        Enemies came up with censorship !!! angry
      2. Amurets 14 October 2015 16: 41 New
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        But the enemy is not decryptable
    4. engineer74 14 October 2015 15: 18 New
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      The term "swear words" - not from the word "swear" (curse), but from the word "swear" - war - "battlefield", etc.! smile It seems like a special military language .... request
      One of the versions, it seems to me the most realistic. hi
      PS Do you propose to teach ACS aircraft to "talk" with obscenities? bully
      EMNIP, in the American "study" it was about the average number of words in a team, however, I could be wrong.
    5. gridasov 14 October 2015 15: 54 New
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      You are very close to the truth, if only because the functionally mat or non-mat transmits a team task or interconnection function that is understandable to all sides of the contact. And this is the main point . Moreover, the emotional component of such contacts is also present. Therefore, in the language of scientists, the simplicity and capacity of the content is expressed in the completeness of an exhaustive team that must be executed or others. BUT !!! All this only supplements the theory, which expresses the meaning of the fact that modern computer science as a science, as an element and a process of interconnection, cannot be limited only by the so-called. binary logic, which is embedded in the architecture of the machine method of encoding and transmitting information. I still hope that there are people who are thinking about the future and who will pay attention to our developments in the field of coding information based on multi-valued logic and building an information system on completely different principles than is done now.
      1. Yuri Y. 14 October 2015 19: 59 New
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        Quote: engineer74
        It seems like a special military language ....

        With this topic, I always insert my five cents. If the mat didn’t arise in military affairs, it was developed precisely, since in antiquity they met the enemy face to face. “Ponous words” were spoken to the enemy (and not commands were transmitted) when they were lining up before the battle before each other. The custom is common. It is well shown in the film "Hot Heart" (in my opinion), about the war of the Scots and the British. Previously, among Russians, these words were understood literally (remember the reaction to the mat of some peoples), therefore, there was no mat in everyday life. Hence the appearance of Turkic words in Russian obscenities.
  5. silberwolf88 14 October 2015 14: 43 New
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    For something to be ... it is necessary to start somewhere and ... in this regard, the creation of the CENTER is a key link in management ...
    Now there is something to connect the existing ones (for example, the centralized combat control system of the Strategic Missile Forces created a long time ago) ... and those systems that will be re-created and integrated into the general command and control system for troops and weapons ...
  6. astronom1973n 14 October 2015 14: 43 New
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    The problem of creating an ASUV is not new. In the USSR, the Maneuver system was adopted. Machines from the MP-25 series, etc. maybe still quietly gathering dust somewhere in parking lots ... At that time there was an understanding of what and why it was necessary and it was later embodied in “iron.” The problem of creating a modern ASUV in this period of our time consists, in my opinion, in the absence of a common understanding of the higher (and worse) command personnel on the upcoming nature of warfare, military operations. And when there is no clear technical. assignments for design bureaus, which would unite the interests of all types and branches of troops, there is no understanding on the part of the designers (but in Russia I think they are enough to implement a competent technical task). Yes, ASUshnikov are currently preparing at various military universities, but the quality. ..Yes, and the combined-arms commander in using such modern technology should be a big specialist, but for now only poke a finger into the handset in the strategic hole with the voice of the team and on the map! wink So there is a field for the future “Maneuver!” There is room for development!
    1. gridasov 14 October 2015 16: 04 New
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      There is a difference between what is the prospect of development and the prospect of breakthrough development. At the old and obviously extreme levels of information processing capabilities, there is no prospect of breakthrough development. And this is justified by the proportionality of the increase in energy consumption when transmitting a bit of information. There is no way to build a mathematical space with numerical-code streams for all vectors. There is no general understanding of what analysis is. After all, it is impossible to get an analysis of the possible development of events on the principles laid down in the search for the only correct mathematical solution. And much more. Therefore, without fundamental decisions in the search and use of new methods of complex analysis in working with information, "moving forward" is tantamount to stomping on the spot.
      1. Amurets 14 October 2015 16: 47 New
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        In my opinion, it is necessary to precisely formulate the task, what we want from this ACS. Because even the author was unable to accurately formulate the problem.
        1. gridasov 14 October 2015 16: 58 New
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          You need to be aware that the task itself and the formulation of its solution must be in a "dynamic" state, i.e. all have their own developmental algorithms as processes. And this can be solved only if you rely on a number as a function of its constant value, and not a variable, as is done now.
    2. Amurets 14 October 2015 17: 25 New
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      At one time there were three ASU systems in the air defense troops, as far as I remember. One didn’t dock with the other. So, as it were, in this case it didn’t work like that. How many we had, as it’s fashionable to say gadgets, fine systems but trouble was that it was difficult, and sometimes impossible to dock. At the same time, NATO can very often remove an obsolete device and replace it with a new one with a minimum of settings. And we have? We’ll not go deep, we just don’t understand the complexity of the topic. Let's take the S-300 air defense system. In principle, it should have been one air defense system for different operating conditions: the S-300P air defense in the hospital and the wheeled chassis. The S-300V Army is mobile, on caterpillar chassis. S-300F naval troubles there. Circuitry, components, pain
      1. gridasov 14 October 2015 17: 50 New
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        You are right that it is fundamentally necessary to change both the circuitry and the elemental component. I'm not talking about the energy embedded in the information flows themselves. In its present form it simply does not exist. According to circuitry, it is possible and necessary to switch to spatial boards and this will already show the way that the element base should be modernized in this regard, if not completely updated.
  7. Averias 14 October 2015 14: 44 New
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    Title: "Russian" skynet ", which is not." So we have ships in the Caspian before the known events, the bulk did not perceive as shock. But look at what .... I always said that misinformation in skilled hands is a powerful thing. And the events taking place are a vivid confirmation of this.
  8. Anchonsha 14 October 2015 14: 50 New
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    But this is completely new in the mass of our problems, and therefore it so indecisively breaks its right to exist. Our officials do not want to simply give their original prerogative to intervene everywhere and everywhere, so that they feel that the official is in charge. And if auto control can be applied faster in the army, then it will be more difficult to control the country and the economy.
    1. mervino2007 14 October 2015 18: 15 New
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      Quote: Anchonsha
      auto control can be applied faster in the army

      It's not about auto steering. We are talking about the standardization of the transmitted information for the forward and reverse flows, for each level of control and between levels. That is - about her formalized REPRESENTATION for the machine and the person.
      1. gridasov 14 October 2015 22: 57 New
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        Quote: mervino2007
        Quote: Anchonsha
        auto control can be applied faster in the army

        It's not about auto steering. We are talking about the standardization of the transmitted information for the forward and reverse flows, for each level of control and between levels. That is - about her formalized REPRESENTATION for the machine and the person.

        You are already halfway to success. The essence of what you said just needs to be translated into a mathematical model.
  9. linadherent 14 October 2015 14: 50 New
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    Well, in my opinion, nothing extraordinary is required, the usual EDMS (document management system) is suitable, except perhaps a little specialized. I am amazed how some people like software monsters, in the near future, cars regarding decision making, people are not competitors, artificial intelligence, at the present level of development of computer technology, IS IMPOSSIBLE !!! But for some reason, many are trying to realize it, of course, for the client’s money, and they are finalizing their monster, which is also a sin to hide with this money. I’m only afraid that this system will turn out to be the most vulnerable spot of our army ... request
  10. individual 14 October 2015 14: 56 New
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    wink
    ACS - everyone is good, but sometimes for the clarity of the team requires Russian wordthat the car does not own. hi
  11. ma_shlomha 14 October 2015 14: 58 New
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    We can not disagree with the author. The source of the requirements that will be indicated in the tactical and technical (technical) tasks for specific work provided for by this program can only be the architecture of a promising ACS of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And here the NHS of the RF Armed Forces is obliged to play the paramount role, as a task director, as an organizer of attracting for this the color of military science, theorists and practitioners and .... competent politicians.
    Based on this, today two components are needed:
    - statement of the problem on the system as a whole;
    -state program containing all measures for the implementation of this particular task.
  12. IAlex 14 October 2015 14: 59 New
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    They can evaluate, think and decide the result anyway in the foreseeable future. And the answer lies in three things: there is no production base for the production of equipment for specific tasks, the length of the territory and the lack of dough ..

    As an example, before, encryption devices were completely made in the Russian Federation, in 90-2000 the development was in the Russian Federation, and the rest was made in China, and today we just got to buy them in China ...

    As for the ACS, so that there is a centralized ACS covering all the business processes of the army, the MO should have non-feeble throughput channels. Such channels can only be provided through expensive fiber with the construction of its own core network. Everything is done behind the cordon and worth dofiga. Those. even if it’s enough to lay a cable from Moscow to Vladivostok, it will be one cable, which will be known to the amers who will produce and install the equipment. Those. in case of war, the sabotage group will calmly liquidate him, because Strictly control 9.000 km from missiles and terrorists ... T.ch. dreaming slowly ...
  13. Ladoga 14 October 2015 15: 10 New
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    There are no decent roads here, but you are all with ACS, not ACS. (Attention! - you need to perceive as written, and not by ear!)

    Although why the hell are we dear when we have tanks.
  14. provincial 14 October 2015 15: 17 New
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    the article is large, perhaps necessary, but for a narrow circle of specialists. Not everyone in VO knows something about automated control systems, including me. Once in the 80s they tried to explain something to us and only thirty years later smart people began to pretend in life. Honor and praise be to them.
  15. mishastich 14 October 2015 15: 38 New
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    The task is much more complicated than what is described here.
    In addition to departmental, bureaucratic, and financial difficulties in creating, configuring, implementing, and finally training specialists, the question immediately arises of protecting the data transmitted inside the ACS of the RF Armed Forces.

    How, on what principles, how not to interfere with the speed of circulation?

    This will be a task akin to the Manhattan project. Is our state ready?
    1. Amurets 14 October 2015 16: 38 New
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      It can be done as in Solaris OS. Each process in a separate "sandbox".
    2. gridasov 14 October 2015 16: 55 New
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      And what is wrong with people! Each walks in his reasoning and individual ability to think and perceive surrounding events. In other words, we are individual in our isolation. But! We are united in groups, subgroups and the whole nation if we are driven by the same "guidelines". It is these properties and principles of work that the system should support. And this can, again, be “mathematized," which means that the mathematical system can be made dependent on analysis with respect to these designated landmarks. Again, these are just properties of the system and it does not need to be protected from penetration. It is open and at the same time unavailable since numerical flow algorithms cannot be opened in their entirety. . That is, it is closed by the property that can be associated with a person’s ability to open only if she "herself wants it."
  16. Stinger 14 October 2015 16: 02 New
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    The first step in this direction should be a concept that gives a clear definition of the automated control system of the RF Armed Forces, establishing its purpose, boundaries, construction principles, main directions and stages of creation (development). The source of the requirements that will be specified in the tactical-technical (technical) tasks for specific jobs provided for by this program can only be the architecture of the prospective ACS of the RF Armed Forces.

    And why did the author take it that all this is not? He did not report?
    1. gridasov 14 October 2015 16: 09 New
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      Of course not! And do not dissemble yourself, first of all, yourself. If you do not see the problem at a fundamental level, then you are certainly right, but only at the level that you see and comprehend.
  17. glavnykarapuz 14 October 2015 17: 06 New
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    It’s a pity, of course, but so far the army believes that anyone who at least reinstalls Windu or writes a program for Excel can write in this direction, you should not expect any qualitative changes in the direction described by the author.
  18. Colonel 14 October 2015 17: 38 New
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    I can’t imagine how the author wants to combine the automated system of combat control (ASBU) of the Strategic Missile Forces and a similar system of ground forces. Not technically, but specifically in management issues. I think the Navy and VKS have something similar to the missile “Signal”. All the tasks to be solved are absolutely specific. I'm not talking about a vigorous triad, but in general. Above all, there is the General Staff of the Armed Forces. It cannot drive one link of hand control both in the Airborne Forces Division and in the Strategic Missile Forces Division, even if there is only 30 kilometers between them (greetings to the Ivanovo Region).
    But this
    According to the author’s deep conviction, in modern conditions, the role of the general designer of the ACS of the RF Armed Forces can only be successfully performed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    probably a joke?
    1. gridasov 14 October 2015 18: 04 New
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      If the principles of the “energy” of information flows are not embedded in the information system, then the management model on the part of senior management can rely on biased data on the tactical link. The talent of the commanders of the Second World War once again confirms that a person’s imagination based on intuition, and this has completely justified reasons, consisted in the fact that these people could feel “strong or weak” places in the complex process. No machine provides such analysis capabilities. Therefore, modern warfare is a new level of dynamic processes, in other words, it is much more dynamic processes. And this means that it is not that the untrained mind of the head of the military operation will ensure the fulfillment of the task, but it also requires a new, faster mechanism from machines that are able to carry out all the analytical work and issue all degrees of variant solutions, in any of the directions of development of situations. In this case, the conclusion will be as intermediate for a dynamic and non-stop process.
  19. Reptiloid 14 October 2015 19: 44 New
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    The article is complicated. Thank you, the article is very important in life.
  20. Fight cat 14 October 2015 22: 34 New
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    I recall a recent incident when a couple of Tajiks cut the communications cable of the Space Communication Center!
    before minus, think! Reality cannot be fixed from this and the fact had a place to be! soldier
  21. gridasov 14 October 2015 23: 43 New
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    Now, only a non-intelligent person is not able to understand that the path to breakthrough inventions and technologies lies through methods and methods for analyzing complex events, through the ability to work with large information data and the ability to analyze information within the framework of prerequisites for new and developing events. Therefore, a breakthrough is inevitable, but primarily in the field of mathematics and then all other sciences. No discovery or invention can provide comprehensive knowledge for the ability to analyze processes at all levels of their performance. We, as humans, must learn to see the ultimate levels of physical processes and understand how to move to their new fractal levels. Otherwise, scaling processes and the transition from laboratory to industrial levels are impossible.
    1. Amurets 15 October 2015 00: 45 New
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      The article is complex on the subject, and the translation of all processes into a mathematical model is tempting. But again, it’s a hell of a lot. You won’t foresee everything. And how many cases there were when a small grain of sand, a bug broke the system. There are more problems here. Than obvious solutions. I think let I will be a retrograde, to solve this problem in digital terms will not work, at least in binary code.
  22. Yarhann 15 October 2015 00: 03 New
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    Yes, robotization of the command and control process is not the future, but the reality that has come - at this stage of development in the developed world armies, automation has so far taken the place of collecting information and transferring it to the data center where a decision is made and reaction to them - so far this is happening account of people but for now.
    The only combat robots at the moment are the air defense missile defense systems of the Aegis type and our complexes of the triumph type and the like capable of automatically protecting the ship from attack from outside.
    In the coming years, the speed of reaction to the operational situation should be reduced significantly - that is, from the receipt of intelligence to striking, it should take minutes to automate the processes of collecting intelligence from their processing and preparation to make a decision about a strike or simply choosing a solution, it should be reduced by several times - that is, the person of the way will simply decide on the option of delivering a strike or maneuver of the troops and all - why so - but everything is just a modern war is a war of information about the location of troops in warehouses, the direction of movement of logistics routes, etc. and so on - the entire data array a person or group of people simply can’t to perceive and process - as a result, the result that they will get after their conclusion will already be irrelevant - the operating environment will already change - because I think that a person will just have to choose a solution or just give a command to start a response and everything will do everything in the opposite order automation - will send information to the headquarters of the combat arms of the military and technical divisions, all reconnaissance points of impact, routes, etc., and also strike options - in short, so that they don’t think at the bottom either, just use weapons - it’s natural that this should be its own military data network the operating system sharpened just for that. Yes, we cannot implement such a project in a year — two decades will take it because developing such a structure and debugging its work will take years and reliability and security — but without this the army will not reach a new level of combat readiness. The speed should increase, and the army - look for an example at the same ISIS, these are ordinary organized gangs armed with light small arms - but their strength is precisely in the speed of maneuver and intelligence sharing that they quickly maneuver, hit back down and change positions, and for a well-armed old-style army this is a big problem - and it is the participation of the Russian Federation with its faster army that really helps Assad’s slow-moving army — when the reconnaissance is excellent and attacks are carried out when he has not yet had time to change positions, the ISIS logistics support facilities and communication and data processing centers are destroyed headquarters. It seems that, in purely quantitative terms, airstrikes do not destroy many militants - but in terms of slowing down the exchange of information by coordinating troops, resource limitations (fuel and lubricant supplies) and so on slow down the mobility and combat effectiveness of ISIS - and lightly armed, weakly mobile troops become easy prey for heavily armed and well-off Assad troops.
    The war of the Assad army is a classic war of the Second World War only with the use of modern intelligence and aviation by the Russian side.
    I think that in the near future it will be the automation of reconnaissance and intelligence tools to provide VKS with this information that will be our first priority in the process of moving the army to new rails - at new speeds, and then the rest of the armed forces will reach for the VKS.
    1. Amurets 15 October 2015 00: 20 New
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      There is nothing to add but a plus.
    2. gridasov 15 October 2015 00: 30 New
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      Computer-based systems for working with information basically operate on the principle of binary logic. I often repeat this. Therefore, you can decrypt any encoding. What am I doing? Moreover, new mathematical methods of analysis based on the analysis of high-capacity data make it possible not to encode and protect information, but to "hide" it "in the face" in multivariant and practically unopenable codestream algorithms. This means that any information can be perceived at a certain level as dis. information, as these development algorithms are subject to change. Again, the issues of high-speed analysis directly depend on the level of the analyzed prospects of various interrelated events, and in addition to this, all the technical means also strive to achieve high speeds and flight of missiles and delivery and everything that you can imagine. Therefore, a person is already very close to the limit of his potential capabilities to analyze both the depth and transience of events. In any case, even the human brain needs to be modified in its ability to work with large flows of information, moreover, it is energetically very contrasting. Therefore, already in the not too distant future, some people will face a problem that is now obvious, but not yet perceptible in its explanation. This is an inadequacy of behavior, as an inability to perceive real reality in its fleeting variability. Look for example at the Ukrainian government. They completely underestimated the current level of technical capabilities for laying new gas pipelines and lost their long-term priorities. And there are many such examples. Therefore, looking at the current Ukrainian government, we can talk about the complete degradation or absence of the institution of an analytical service. And etc.
      1. Amurets 15 October 2015 01: 05 New
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        I already wrote about this a little higher. The fact is that the human brain is loaded at about 6%. This is one thing, the person asks the machine anyway. This is different. And it seems to me that the task posed in the article is akin to creating artificial intelligence. You are correct cited an example by the Ukrainian authorities. But mistakes are sometimes fatal, any power makes and ACS does not help here, or can exacerbate the error. Here you are right, go to high-level languages. But that means go to a new level of thinking.
        1. gridasov 15 October 2015 10: 45 New
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          Absolutely right! I try not to use some terms, but you can’t get anywhere from this. This is truly the level of new mathematical analysis. That is, this does not mean that all mathematics is wrong. This means that all existing mathematics is a method of analyzing low-potential levels of problem solving. It is suitable for solving such issues that do not require absolute accuracy and unambiguity in the conclusions. However, new times require new approaches. Therefore, a method is required that takes into account all aspects and circumstances of the events at all levels. And it turns out to be possible! I would even say that the mechanism of such an analysis is even simpler than the existing one. You just need to get into it and think in such new categories. On the other hand, the question immediately arises that all this cannot be just a banal coincidence or an accident. All this knowledge is too deeply penetrated by the content of the processes that are embedded in them. Those who discover this knowledge for themselves, they will have to realize that our world is a gradient of higher minds.
          In addition, I repeat again that the possession of even the fundamentals of such an analysis method entails a rethinking of the fundamental foundations of what we use to create the industrial world. The attitude towards understanding the essence of energy and its higher parameters is changing. There is one conclusion. We simply have no other way and we will no longer be able to abandon what is intended for us. Of course, this all carries a lot of not entirely positive phenomena, and this must also be understood.
          1. Amurets 15 October 2015 12: 27 New
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            My friend, after reading this discourse of ours, said that we had already climbed to a level not for mere mortals.
            1. gridasov 15 October 2015 12: 37 New
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              You are right, but it’s worth, first of all, to remain yourself and not be guided by the level you have passed. Although this must be taken into account. In this aspect, of course, it is worth noting the fact that people who own such analysis technologies, and this is exactly what it looks like, will be much more insightful and will be able to simulate situations several stages in advance. And this already entails a new measure of responsibility for actions. Apparently we cannot avoid the fact that people will nevertheless be divided according to mental development, as it was at the dawn of mankind. New times are just cyclical and symmetrical regular processes.
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                I totally agree.
  23. 1rl141 15 October 2015 00: 56 New
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    Quote: IAlex
    As for the ACS, so that there is a centralized ACS covering all the business processes of the army, the MO should have non-feeble throughput channels. Such channels can only be provided through expensive fiber with the construction of its own core network. Everything is done behind the cordon and worth dofiga. Those. even if it’s enough to lay a cable from Moscow to Vladivostok, it will be one cable, which will be known to the amers who will produce and install the equipment. Those. in case of war, the sabotage group will calmly liquidate him, because Strictly control 9.000 km from missiles and terrorists ... T.ch. dreaming slowly ...


    In Soviet times, such a system was functioning quite remarkably. There were several automated command posts throughout the Union, and one of them was in the Far East. It worked without any optics. In terms of the amount of information transmitted, of course, it is impossible to compare with modern volumes, but progress does not stand still. And without optics, you can transfer a decent amount.
    By the way, one of the command posts during the collapse of the Union remained in Kharkov. With all the contents. Before the collapse, the secrecy of the KP data and its contents was so serious that pronouncing “KSB” out loud caused 2 polite plainclothes boys.
    It is not difficult to guess where it happened and who got the contents of the Kharkov Communist Party.
    In the early 80s, Marshal Akhromeyev personally accepted this system at the Military Academy of Communications, and after 30 years it was finished off by woodpecker Serdyukov. Considering that the Command System of the Combat Command is a simple Chinese computer that any secretary trained in the Sit commands can easily handle “Lie down” and “Fax!”.
    1. gridasov 15 October 2015 11: 03 New
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      It’s possible that it’s hard to believe, but the transition to new energy levels of momentum transfer (if generalized) will allow, again, within the framework of a fundamentally new and more advanced potential for controlling this impulse, to create communication channels with almost unlimited bandwidth capabilities. You just need to understand that we exist in an elastic environment of certain substances that determine not only the energy of our and the whole world, but also all the processes associated with the transfer and formation of the information space. Therefore, even our human fantasies cannot be beyond our ability to create such imaginations, which means that it can be embodied in reality. This also means that communication channels can be transferred from the level of acoustic and visual perceptions to those levels that exist, but remain, to put it mildly, not quite developed.
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    The main thing should be one with the broadest powers. Otherwise, departmental contradictions, conflicts, squabbles, etc. cannot be overcome; a "stool with a can opener" will turn out, on which you can neither sit nor open canned food. All this has already happened, and more than once. And if "market freedom" threatens the security of the country, then to hell with this freedom.