Minsk disagreements

This is undoubtedly a difficult topic - relations between Russia and Belarus. Very difficult. Approximately as the relations of Russia and Ukraine about ten years ago. However, in my opinion, it is necessary to dot the i. Simply put everything on the shelves. Numerous comments from a wide variety of Belarusians in the Russian media prompted me to write this short note. Often there was a lot of resentment and emotion.

Insulting each other, and even more insulting - is very unconstructive. Hush up the problem is also not entirely correct. I wanted to determine the Russian position on this issue as clearly as possible. Oddly enough, for some reason, it remains a mystery to many in Belarus.

First of all, I wanted to answer about the “imperial ambitions” of Russia. We do not live in the XVII century. There was a time when in Europe there were many different in size and influence of states. They entered into alliances, feuded, fought. But we live here and now. Where is the former great Austria (or rather, what is left of it) on a call from Washington forcibly lands and searches the plane of the President of Bolivia.

Times have changed, now is not the XVIII century and not XIV. It is sad, but that Europe will not be returned. By the way, even in that “happy Europe” of the era of the plague or inquisition, the independence of the countries was very relative. The big countries influenced the smaller, stronger ones to dictate their policies to the weaker ones. Big fish eat small ones. Such is the classic situation.

I understand, it sounds quite cynical and unpleasant. Everyone wants to that “civilized Europe”, where human rights are respected and even the smallest and dubious country (like Estonia) has the same voting right as Germany. I understand - everyone wants a bright fairy tale. Alas, it is impossible. Neighboring Poland with Belarus, which Ukrainians love to cite as an example, sent soldiers to another's war in Iraq. The Americans ordered them, and they went to die and kill in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Are you surprised? And yet it is. Poland has not and cannot have interests in the Mosul region. In the area of ​​Kabul, the Poles, too, could not have interests. However, Polish soldiers were dying in Afghanistan. By order of the Americans. Without question. They traveled to distant Asia and died there. And no one was indignant. They were happy to die for America. After all, in the democratic paradise the democratic gurias were waiting for them.

A little known fact - the Ukrainians participated in the occupation of Iraq. And they also died there in the name of America. And not a single curse in the imperial ambitions was uttered. For the Poles, as well as for the Ukrainians, America is God. And Obama is His prophet. Can you imagine how Belarusians with songs and dances go to the first Chechen? On the second? I understand the question is unpleasant. But I am just drawing analogies (USA - Poland and Russia - Belarus).

You can often find the statement that the United States does not allow itself sharp statements about Poland. It may be so, but the United States does not supply cheap gas, cheap oil to Poland, the Poles may die for the United States, but they need a visa to enter it. Are these friends - "second-class" or third? No, the third is Germany. The United States does not sponsor the Polish economy in any way, but Polish politicians do not pray for them.

These are the relations between “independent” Poland and the United States. The situation with Lithuania - USA is even worse. You just want to cry. What is independence? But everyone is happy with everything. No one is indignant. Lithuanian soldiers are also going where the US will order them. And they die there with a smile on their lips. Did I say something new to someone? All I'm saying is a collection of platitudes. But now the President of Belarus and the entire Belarusian people want some kind of special relationship with Russia. Those that no one else has.

Where one side is obliged and obliged, and the other saintly keeps its independence. No matter how sad it is to talk about it - Belarus had exactly two strategic options for development. The first is a complete reintegration with Russia. In economics, politics, military. That is, Belarus as part of "Big Russia". The standard of living in the end is about as in the Moscow region. Belarus is extremely well located geographically (between Russia and Europe).

The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine in one sequence or another. You see, there are only two options. They are not three, not five and not ten. There is no "fan of opportunities." He was not there. Next come the fantastic options. Too two.

Option Lukashenko: Russia fully supports, protects and finances its exotic public education. At the same time, he does not even try to get inside Belarus, either economically or politically. The West, as we know, is actively promoting its interests.

Option opposition: Belarus in some fantastic way should jump on the steps of “Euroexpress”. At the same time, Russia continues to support, finance and subsidize the openly unprofitable Belarusian economy. At the same time, the radiant West is pouring its billions into building democracy.

It is best to start from the real picture of the world. Facts and logic help much better than emotions and comics. And yes, without the Belarusian partisans, we would not have won.

Comments

[79807420129]

The author asks whether Belarusians will die for us? Ordinary Belarusians may or may not, like the Russians, if something happens. But the father, their weathervane, in Russia says one thing, he comes home completely different, Yanuk also wanted to sit on 2 chairs, but failed , By the way, Europe wants to remove sanctions from the Old Man, so the Maidan is brewing again.

[Kos_kalinki9]

Old Man, too, sometimes tries. To sit.

[Skif83]

Old Man is far from an angel, I do not protect him in any way, quite the contrary lately, but who is without sin.
Well, remember the recent history of Russia, how many of its allies surrendered humpback, and Eltsin?
Therefore, not everything is so simple. It is necessary to strengthen your country, and Old Man will see a strong Russia, will not go anywhere, will come to us.
And about this one:

Poland does not and cannot have interests in the Mosul area. In the Kabul region, the Poles could not have interests either. However, Polish soldiers were dying in Afghanistan.

So this is an old trick, not like a crusade?
Then, too, young and violent were sent under great slogans to conquer to conquer hell knows what.
The tasks were and remain the same, to reduce the number of violent in their states, to enable them to rob the little things, and to take part in a large robbery.
Nothing new!

[Good me]

Quote: Skif83

Therefore, not everything is so simple. It is necessary to strengthen your country, and Old Man will see a strong Russia, will not go anywhere, will come to us.

Doubtful, your statement. It turns out that Yanukovych (a lot of bad words), "did not see a strong Russia", asking for Western cookies? And he "regained his sight" only at the moment when he had to skedaddle?

Undoubtedly, Lukashenka, "is beaten by his hips" to the point that someone comes with a "cunning screw".

And our task, I see, is to be this "someone", arriving on time, not being late, as in the case of Ukraine ...

[Kos_kalinki9]

But I completely agree with you. Yes Old Man is smarter than Yanyka, since he doesn’t allow to rub. And the Soviet legacy is poorly watching. But wagging from side to side is not comme il faut. Here recently I tried to make friends with Petka. Maybe the game ........

[Alekseev]

Quote: Good Me

Undoubtedly, Lukashenka, "is beaten by his hips" to the point that someone comes with a "cunning screw".

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

recently tried to make friends with a pet. Maybe the game ........

We need to build our policies so that the influence of individuals is minimal.
Pragmatism, however.
Dad dad? The same end to him in the same place. Mostly financial and trading.
But at the same time, of course, you need to understand each specific ...
For the number of politicians and businessmen’s gundaras in the Russian Federation is also not small.
But Lukashenko, despite his sometimes contradictory and stupid, chatter still maintains a true general line.

[Alexkorzun]

Minus.

Bad article. The author pretends that he tries to understand the question, puts pressure on sore points and does not offer anything. Or a provocateur, or this topic is too tough for him, not grown up.

[Horly]

And the last phrase betrays the whole philosophy of the actor - it’s not for him to judge from the sofa the role of people who gave their lives for the Victory. By the way, like the Ukrainians, Georgians, Uzbeks and other peoples who inhabited the USSR who fought in the Soviet Army. And the root of the reason for this behavior of Belarus should be sought here in Russia, where officials are ready to rob their people to the skin, and the electorate enthusiastically welcomes the idiotic laws of the Duma! So Old Man protects his people from the prince-oligarchs from the East and the Teutonic predators from the West! While the ideology of the Golden Calf and consumerism rules the ball in Russia, we will observe such an attitude from our neighbors, and the media will rub what they are!

[Temples]

and the electorate enthusiastically welcomes the idiotic laws of the Duma!

Did you probably want to write ELECTORATE?
And in between, the people of the country were called idiots.
After all, people welcome idiotic laws. You write like that.

And the root of the reason for this behavior of Belarus must be sought here in Russia

And again the Russians are to blame

So the Old Man protects his people from the prince-oligarchs from the East

And again the Russians are coming

and the media will rub, what bastards they are!

It is YOU who "rub in" that everything is bad in Russia.

[go21zd45few]

To say that we would have won without the partisans is the stupidity of the author and not knowledge
history of the Second World War. Indeed, all the nationalities of the peoples of the USSR fought in partisan detachments throughout the occupied territory of the USSR. The partisan movement made a huge contribution to the victory over fascism. Yes, we could have won without partisans,
but at what cost and at what time. Not a bad people, there are bad rulers. Lukashenko belongs to one of them.

[tupolev-95]

And where is the author claiming this? Read carefully.

[Olezhek]

And the root cause of this behavior of Belarus should be sought here in Russia, where officials are ready to take their people to the last
So the Old Man protects his people from the oligarchs from the East and the Teutonic predators from the West!

You see, in the "oil painting" you have drawn, Belarus simply cannot survive ...

[Eugene-Eugene]

I agree. Let it be better engaged in school essays or preparing to pass the exam.

Author: The standard of living in the end is approximately the same as in the Moscow region

As long as Belarus will be independent, the standard of living of its population will not exceed the Russian one. Objectively, the collapse of the USSR was useful for the Russian Federation: the heavy burden of the socialist camp was dropped, and then the Soviet republics. Zp in Belarus is lower, labor costs are lower, as a result, products are much cheaper. If a reunion with the Russian Federation follows, then competitiveness will sharply decrease and production will eventually rise. Belarus does not need this. Yes, and the Russian Federation too: it is more profitable to buy cheaper goods and lower cost products for the needs of the military-industrial complex. Therefore, Belarus will always be independent.

Belarus had exactly two strategic options for development. The first is a complete reintegration with Russia. The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine

More precisely and without pathos, the 2 option is: 1) industrial cooperation with the Russian Federation (trucks, tractors, chassis, electronics), supply of agricultural products (which we already see); 2) rupture of cooperative ties with the Russian Federation, the death of the industry with high surplus products, supplies to Russia (and who still needs it?) Agricultural products (which we observe in the example of Ukraine).

Russia continues to support, finance and subsidize the blatantly unprofitable Belarusian economy

In the long run, subsidies in the form of energy discounts should be viewed as a surcharge for the MIC products purchased by the Russian Federation from Belarus. And even with this increase, the cost of this product is beneficial for Russia. So this unprofitable economy can not be called.

The United States does not sponsor the Polish economy

But they sponsor the Polish political elite. We should not forget about the construction associated with the deployment of NATO infrastructure: it is a kind of multiplier for the Polish economy, attracting funds, resources, workers, updating the transport network.

[Temples]

Another "strategist"

Objectively, the collapse of the USSR turned out to be useful for the Russian Federation: the heavy burden of the social camp, and then the Union republics, was dropped.

Watch a movie and listen carefully to what the "temporarily reigning" people say:
"What are you, a son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering the state lands ?! So you won't get enough of any volosts."

[Eugene-Eugene]

There is such a thing as a sphere of influence.

[Temples]

There is also the northern lights!

And a huge number of scientific concepts and natural phenomena!

And if in essence - to break, not to build !!!
You gentlemen first build the state! And only then "dump" parts of this state.

Also looking for economic feasibility!

You need to go out to break your leg, and then amputate it, justifying the amputation of the developed gangrene! As a result, amputation saves the patient's life!
Answer FUCK ??? (why) did you break your leg?

And here is not a leg! Here my people, here is our country, here the lives of our ancestors are given for the integrity of this country.
Turn on the head of the gentlemen !!!
Millions of relatives live in both countries. And throughout the former Russian Empire.
All this was taken and torn overnight by obscurantists for the sake of reigning in their own lands.

[Olezhek]

Millions of relatives live in both countries. And throughout the former Russian Empire.
All this was taken and torn overnight by obscurantists for the sake of reigning in their own lands.

Well, if Ramzan Kadyrov is the standard of the Patriot of Russia (I am serious ) - then Mr. Lukashenko worse than ??
But Russia is not interested in an independent, multi-vector, flowing to the West Belarus.

[Olezhek]

I agree. Let it be better engaged in school essays or preparing to pass the exam.

There will be time - I will definitely do it!

If a reunion with the Russian Federation follows, then competitiveness will sharply decrease and production will eventually rise. Belarus does not need this. Yes, and the Russian Federation too: it is more profitable to buy cheaper goods and lower cost products for the needs of the military industrial complex

It would all be great, if indeed it were. The problem is that Russia is forced to subsidize the categorically inefficient and unprofitable Belarusian economy.

1) industrial cooperation with the Russian Federation (trucks, tractors, chassis, electronics), supply of agricultural products (which we are already seeing); 2) rupture of cooperative ties with the Russian Federation, the death of the industry with high surplus products,

You see, if you look at the news, you will agree: times are tough now. and industrial cooperation with a country with an incomprehensible political vector is dangerous.
Before my eyes is the example of Ukraine. Disruption of engine supplies is a heavy blow to the Russian military-industrial complex. More we do not play such games. Sorry.

Subsidies in the form of discounts on energy by and large should be considered as a surcharge for the MIC products

Earlier you wrote - how profitable it is to buy cheap Belarusian goods to Russia.

But they sponsor the Polish political elite. We should not forget about the construction associated with the deployment of NATO infrastructure: it is a kind of multiplier for the Polish economy, attracting funds, resources, workers, updating the transport network

You understand - many thanks for such a direct and detailed commentary from Sineok.
Thank. The position is clear.
The answer is: for the last 22 of the year, we are Russians absolutely tired of the fact that the inhabitants of Eastern Europe treat us as second-rate people, and Americans and Europeans, as gods and heroes
Sorry - we are tired of it.

The base - NATO in Poland - is a growth multiplier and the Poles are happy, the base of the Russian Federation in Belarus is a threat to the Belarusians - and But father excuses ..
Such are the double standards ...

[tolian]

Yes, a slender article. Such a small drop of poison in a relationship. So it began on the outskirts. And then the grandchildren of Bandera got out. Note that there is nothing incomprehensible in the personal relationship between Putin and Lukashenko. Everything is quiet. They understand each other like presidents. Blather only custom-made.

[Olezhek]

Yes, an article with a thin sight. Such a small drop of poison in a relationship. So began on the outskirts. And then the grandchildren of Bandera got out.

And then !!! I sit, flashing YAD, I recount the three pieces of silver from McCain ...

Note that there is nothing incomprehensible in the personal relationship between Putin and Lukashenka.

I have been interested in politics for a long time (there is such a disease)
So Yeltsin could still "be friends" with Lukashenko
Yeltsin closed his eyes to many things.
The pragmatic, unemotional, Putin and Lukashenko immediately started having problems.

[Olezhek]

Bad article. The author pretends that he tries to understand the question, puts pressure on sore points and does not offer anything. Or a provocateur, or this topic is too tough for him, not grown up.

I kind of denote the problem.
"A botanist should not weed the weeds. He will calculate the rate of their growth, and that's enough." S. Parkinson

Call me a nerd ...

[1500014781401]

Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

[Aleks28]

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Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

Preparing workers .. Do you take a lot on yourself? And do not bite the hand that feeds. The law of nature!

[Eugene-Eugene]

It does not understand your words.

[alicante11]

However, what a conceit! What do you think, how many hours will the army of Belarus hold out under the blows of a coalition like the one that crushed Iraq when the Americans come to you for GDP. Do not bury yourself.

[Anatole]

What does this have to do with the provocateur and the Army of Belarus ?! In a dispute about politics, always go over to individuals without state affiliation and references to "PEOPLES", states and without your participation will be able to burst, why mix? Carry on like little boys on a market day

[tolian]

Fortunately, there are two such poets here and miscalculated. Most people understand. By the way. Lukashenko and Putin are in many ways similar. Only Putin, given the size of the country, has to be much more careful. Their relationship is king and king.

[Olezhek]

By the way. Lukashenko and Putin are very similar.

[Pissarro]

it's no longer funny about the coalition crushing Iraq. Papuans and Eskimos have already heard about the "successes" of the coalition

[alicante11]

it's no longer funny about the coalition destroying Iraq. Papuans and Eskimos have already heard about the "successes" of the coalition laughing

Yes? And what problems did the coalition of amers with the Angles have in 2003? In addition, the Americans simply do not want to fight there, but they cannot at all. The hatred ends very, very badly.

[Pissarro]

Yes, solid problems. One Feluja showed the coalition's weakness. Saddam was thrown off by the security services who bought Iraqi generals and ruined the army. From a military and political point of view, the failure was complete, and the subsequent flight of the coalition from Iraq, Baghd’s complete demise to Tehran, the stupid American brainchild of ISIS, demonstrative cooperation of Iraq with Russia, etc. If this is a successful operation, what successes did the coalition achieve? She never controlled anything except the green zone of Baghdad, and even then in the daytime

[Olezhek]

Yes, solid problems. One Feluja showed all the weakness of the coalition. The security services threw off Saddam’s special services, who bought Iraqi generals and ruined the army administration

Komrad - let's estimate situuinu straight from FAI (alternative history forum)
so here we take Sineokuyu and ... move to Africa next to Libya ... or between Syria and Iraq (not to frighten the Belarusians by the sea).
Or to Latin America next to Venezuela ..
By the way, it is possible in this version to adjust a thousand tons of oil.
Make such a pancake, Emirate .. (as dad dreamed !!!) to flood Belarus with oil
(potato minus)

Tell me how it will end?
Dictator, oil ..
Night, street, lantern, pharmacy ...

[alicante11]

Yes, continuous problems. One Feluja showed all the weakness of the coalition. Saddam was thrown off by special services who bought Iraqi generals and ruined army control.

Understand that it is impossible to buy a winning army. This is from the same opera that supposedly German workers will stop the Wehrmacht, which attacked the USSR. They were bought because they lost. It’s just that the Americans decided that it was much cheaper to pay the generals so that the remnants of the army would scatter than to finish off the units that had settled in the fortified areas and cities. Nothing very original - air supremacy and deep operation. All fortifications and cities are simply bypassed and blocked. Finish for a long time, but the blocked ones no longer have chances. This was shown by the fighting in Libya, Sirte, Bani Walid held on for a long time, but fell when the resources and personnel ran out.

[Vadim237]

Well, much longer than the one that Iraq had.

[tolian]

You, too, are not far from the digital encryption.

[m262]

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Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

Preparers damn, Do you need a house for Batka on Rublevka?

[alicante11]

Preparers damn, Do you need a house for Batka on Rublevka?

I think that Father will fight to the end, if that.

[Good me]

Quote: alicante11

I think that Father will fight to the end, if that.

He would only have enough brains to choose the priority of the target correctly ...

[Kos_kalinki9]

Quote: 1500014781401

Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

We have a sofa for Putin.

[Basarev]

Quite rightly noticed: even our Russian elite, on the one hand, is already all in the West - at home, children, money, which is no secret to anyone, but on the other - flirts with China. What else could you call it, if not two chairs?

[tolian]

Tsifroshifro, do not provoke visitors. Grantee or half-wit? Which, however, is one and the same.

[Name]

That somehow worries the fact that "The decision to suspend sanctions against Belarus for four months will be made by the European Union on October 12."
, the presentation of the Nobel Prize Aleksievich (Russophobia) happens right at the same time ...

[makarick]

Everything is logical, remember the old rule, “divide and rule.” You can read how Khoja Nasredin quarreled two friends ... Politics ... Obama is a peace prize winner ...

[Eugene-Eugene]

Or Belarus will be used as a clipboard with the Russian Federation

[Aleks28]

Quote: name

It is somehow alarming that "The decision to suspend sanctions against Belarus for four months will be made by the European Union on October 12."
, the awarding of the Nobel Prize Aleksievich (Russophobia) occurs right at the same time.

To this must be added the statement of "Father" about the Russian military base (for which he himself, so recently, stood up) In short, the one more "Kazachek" ...

[1500014781401]

The idea of ​​the base is entirely yours. Lukashenko asked 2 fighters 20 years ago. Putin did not. Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter. There will be the remaining 10 without the help of Russia. In light of the foregoing:
1. There are equipped airfields
2. There are trained pilots
3. There are fighters
AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.
Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election? Bravo Russia! This is an ally! Before each election, either the Godfather, then the slops in your media, then the St. Petersburg and Moscow revolutionaries go to organize our Square, along the way, grabbing cars from Smolensk with a metal bar to beat our policemen. Bravo again! You will always have allies.

[Aleks28]

Quote: 1500014781401

Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter

What do you like, my dear? Since when did Belarus start to produce fighter jets. You got them for free !!! If you also counted on repairs and maintenance (by Russia), then this is an outrageous arrogance.

Quote: 1500014781401

1. There are equipped airfields
2. There are trained pilots
3. There are fighters
AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.

[1500014781401]

Passed a complete modernization. I do not smoke. Do not flatter yourself, Russia has NEVER delivered anything to us for free. And these fighters are ours.

[Aleks28]

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Passed a complete modernization. I do not smoke. Do not flatter yourself, Russia has NEVER delivered anything to us for free. And these fighters are ours.

Well then Born .. USSR MiG-29 Pichugin-1.jpg
Belarus Air Force Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 (9-13) Pichugin-1.jpg 37 [16] 17 MiG-29B, 12 MiG-29BM and 8 MiG-29UB, as of 2013. MiG-29BM (deep Belarusian modernization), were able to refuel in the air, use air-to-air missiles R-27ER / ET, RVV-AE, air-to-ground missiles X-29T / TD / L and X-25ML, X-31A / P anti-ship missiles, KAB-500Kr / L guided aircraft bombs with laser guidance [17] [18]. The combat effectiveness of the MiG-29BM compared to the MiG-29 "9-13" was improved by 80% against air targets and 4 times against ground targets.
Su-25 Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR Belarus Air Force Sukhoi Su-25 Pichugin-1.jpg 22 [19] 17 Su-25 and 5 Su-25UB. Also, about 20 Su-25s are in storage. In 1992, it was in service with the 206th OSHAP (29 Su-25), the 378th OSHAP (32 Su-25) and the 397th OSHAP (32 Su-25) [20] [21] [22].
Su-27
Su-27UBM1 Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR Belarus Air Force Sukhoi Su-27UB Pichugin-1.jpg 17
4 After the collapse of the USSR, the country received 23 Su-27P and 5 Su-27UB [23]. In September 2013, the operation of the Belarusian Su-27 was discontinued due to the expiration of the aircraft resource. In January 2014, it was decided to carry out major repairs and upgrade the Su-27 [24]. Temporarily withdrawn from the Air Force. Also in 2014, 10 Russian Su-27SM3 [25] [26] were deployed at the air base in Baranovichi.
Transport aircraft
IL-76MD Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR Belarusian Il-76 Candid at Radom AS 2009.JPG 1
An-26RT Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR 1 Aircraft repeater equipped with the station "Fig".
Where do you see at least something Belarusian here?

[tolian]

Calm down, grants willing.

[tolian]

Yes, he is like a Belarusian Bandera. And simply - undereducated.

[Aleks28]

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Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election?

The question was raised by Lukashenka himself and not today, but very good. long ago, linking it with the delivery of new aircraft (again, for free), it did not burn out. But Father's electorate consists of supporters of rapprochement with Russia. So what's the setup? Well, a little more on the base: From office. No one has said a word about this very base, neither for nor against, but Lukashenka, he just thrashes first for, then against. He substitutes himself.

[1500014781401]

But Putin didn’t sign anything? Lukashenko did not ask for a base, no need to lie! Lukashenko said that Putin’s decision on the base was bypassing him as the head of our state. And the opinion of Belarusians is no longer taken into account? Are we already superfluous on Belarusian soil?

[Aleks28]

Quote: 1500014781401

But Putin didn’t sign anything?

Specifically, in your case, do not sign, but you need to register. The truth finder.

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And the opinion of Belarusians is no longer taken into account? Are we already superfluous on Belarusian soil?

Ohhh, pulled by maydan ..

[Aleks28]

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But Putin didn’t sign anything? Lukashenko did not ask for a base, no need to lie! Lukashenko said that Putin’s decision on the base was bypassing him as the head of our state.

Then with whom and what did Putin sign? Lied to the end ...

[tolian]

Stop lying. And inflate even incorruptible. The base is and will be.

[tolian]

Tsifroshifro, yes you are a real provocateur, mowing down under the Belarusian patriot. What are these Belarusian fighters? Who didn’t give something to anyone? Are you getting ready to change Lukashenko again in Minsk?

[venaya]

Belarus was created in the 20s with some unfinished projects on our heads, so that we can add problems forever, now we are discussing something, and we are thinking how to get out of this ass.

[kartalovkolya]

I agree with you, dear colleague, after all, this is "eternally alive" with his comrades and built a huge trap for us in the form of the USSR (in the sense of the union republics, where there has never been any statehood), but Comrade Stalin had a different opinion on the organization of a new socialist The essence of his national idea was simple and clear-wide autonomization of all regions of former tsarist Russia within the RSFSR (which, in principle, was the same Russia, but with a different name), but when the "most humane" failed this idea, then Joseph Vissarionovich , by virtue of his character never returned to her, which is a pity! They could have lived in a different state and never and no one would have been able to ruin it! The monolith is a monolith, and they were thrown into national apartments, and this is a heap of sand!

[1500014781401]

D 1930-1940 on our land there were 120 places for the execution of Belarusians. There are about 200 of them in Kurapaty alone. After September 000, 1939 Belarusians were shot without trial or trial. Would you like to repeat? The war for the Belarusians began on September 25, 000, when Belarusian reservists from the western regions — engineers, doctors — were called up for the Polish army. It was they, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn.

[Pissarro]

Probably, not Belarusians, but Chinese served in the bodies of the NKVD in the thirties of Belarus, and probably not the Belarusians, but the Chinese living in the neighborhood wrote denunciations to neighbors
About engineers and doctors from Kresy, he smiled, the inheritance of a Belarusian and a Ukrainian in pre-war Poland was never higher than a slave. In the cities, the Polish and Jewish populations overwhelmingly dominated, namely, engineers and doctors are produced there

[Aleks28]

Quote: Pissarro

Probably, not Belarusians, but Chinese served in the bodies of the NKVD in the thirties of Belarus, and probably not the Belarusians, but the Chinese living in the neighborhood wrote denunciations to neighbors

Typical logic of the maydaun: "All curses will rise." They think Europe is a panacea, but they forgot how Soviet tanks (39) greeted them with flowers. Apparently it was not honey. ...

[Pissarro]

Yes, simple Belarusians and the authorities did not forget, I saw posters on September 17 in Minsk in honor of the liberation of Western Belarus. These are the Maydaunas and the liberals there. Although they also haven’t forgotten, the Belarusian Maydaunas are all of Polish nationality, they want to be slaves again

[venaya]

Quote: 1500014781401

... The war for the Belarusians began on September 1, 1939, when Belarusian reservists from the western regions — engineers, doctors — were called up for the Polish army. It was they, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn.

I wonder how. Please tell us who exactly the Belarusians in Katyn shot, otherwise it’s not very clear to become.

[Kos_kalinki9]

Quote: It was them, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn. [/ Quote

As for Katyn, the question is far from controversial.

[tolian]

Here is the banderlog. Kiev, or what?

[kartalovkolya]

Well, how much can you "procrastinate" agitation invented by our enemies and supported by the "Chief Bad", the traitor Gorbachev! Well, really there are still those who believe in this misinformation, this is an attempt to revise the results of WW2, summed up by the Nuremberg Tribunal, in the verdict of which the real executioners of Katyn are very clearly and clearly named and it is time to put an end to it, and we are like citizens of Russia must give the most resolute rebuff to this provocation!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: kartalovkolya

Well, is there really a-d-and-o-t-s who believe in this misinformation, this is an attempt to revise the results 2MB failed The Nuremberg Tribunal, in the verdict of which the real executioners of Katyn are very clearly and clearly named and it’s time to put an end, and we, as citizens of Russia, must give the most decisive rebuff to this provocation!

But what the 1st channel says, the date of shooting 2015


And here's another

[mamont5]

Quote: 79807420129

The author asks whether Belarusians will die for us?

And why should they (Belarusians) die for us? But for myself and for the Russian world ...

[Olezhek]

And why should they (Belarusians) die for us? But for myself and for the Russian world ..

Vanguyu-imagine NATO invaded Belarus ..

Everyone understands that Russia is obliged to protect it, and Russian and Belarusians ..
But on the contrary - does not work, why - a mystery ....

[rotmistr60]

Who is ready to die for whom is probably not asking correctly. But Belarusians want to ask to live in a country similar to Ukraine and under the external control of the United States? Obviously, the local opposition is dreaming about it. And Lukashenko’s behavior can be predicted based on at least the fact that he is going for a fifth term.

[0255]

Quote: rotmistr60

Who is ready to die for whom is probably asking incorrectly. But Belarusians want to ask to live in a country similar to Ukraine and under the external control of the United States? Obviously, the local opposition is dreaming about it.

Already, many Belarusians dream of this, envious of the Poles, Balts and Ukrainians (!!!), they believe that Putin attacked Ukraine, they are afraid of the arrival of "polite people" or Strelkov in Belarus, they call Russians "barbarians, orcs", Russia is called "Mordor "They consider themselves Lithuanians, Russia is also blamed for the ass that Belarus has sunk into.

[Pissarro]

I haven’t seen a Belarusian envious of Ukrainians. A man in his right mind (and most Belarusians are extremely rational and sane people) cannot want the victory of the Maidan in his country.
But your Shnobel Prize laureate wants to see Belarus as the Baltic states (she announced yesterday in a box), it remains for everyone to run to wash toilets in Europe and destroy plants, and the laureate’s dream will come true

[0255]

Quote: Pissarro

I haven’t seen a Belarusian envious of Ukrainians. A man in his right mind (and most Belarusians are extremely rational and sane people) cannot want the victory of the Maidan in his country.
But your Shnobel Prize laureate wants to see Belarus as the Baltic states (she announced yesterday in a box), it remains for everyone to run to wash toilets in Europe and destroy plants, and the laureate’s dream will come true

Do you live in the United Arab Emirates and will you tell me, living in Belarus, about my compatriots?

[Pissarro]

I work in the Emirates, and I myself am from Minsk

[0255]

Quote: Pissarro

I work in the Emirates, and I myself am from Minsk

Well, why do you work in the Emirates, and not in our "astrauke of stability and pre-bloom"?

[tolian]

For a million dollars, anything he writes and declares. She was held on a hook for three years. They even made me leave for Minsk. So now the truth will begin to cut the uterus there.

[tolian]

Here is another digitized one. Afraid of what? Why are you lying? Because they pay? Or out of habit. Well, they’ve been so ugly. So there are a lot of such among the Jews. Not Jews.

[0255]

Quote: tolian

Here is another digitized one. Afraid of what? Why are you lying? Because they pay? Or out of habit. Well, they’ve been so ugly. So there are a lot of such among the Jews. Not Jews.

Am I "digitized"? Maybe, living in Belarus, I know the situation in the country better? I don't get paid for my comments. I write what I think I see myself.

[tolian]

The position in Belarus reminds me of the position prepared by the United States in Syria. They swelled a pollard, and 3-4 thugs were fighting for the USA. In Belarus, those who receive grants at the embassies of the western hosts blather. But the result will be Syrian.

[Olezhek]

Who is ready to die for someone is probably not asking correctly.

Sorry, these are difficult times, I would like to decide who will end up with us in the overall cozy trench ...
By the way - these are the people who are tearing on their vest - where are the Chinese in Syria ..
About Belarusians it is clear and no one stutters ..

[Rurikovich]

Lord! Yes, how much can you !!! Another "analyst" has appeared with only his correct opinion! "Belarus has ONLY two ways" ... Ugh
How many can be repeated - judge not by words, but by deeds! How much negativity pours out again from scratch, because someone said something! SAID AND DIDN'T DO !!! Almost 20 years have been spent (EXACTLY WENT, NOT DECLARED) Union policy for rapprochement, no ties were broken, there are practically no borders! You do not need a visa or anything ... If you want, you’ve arrived, you want to leave. Russian is the second state language! Is this not enough? Why is it so boring ??? AND????
And here is my personal opinion. I will say why this happens!
Because not only do we do within the framework of rapprochement. It is necessary that they openly shout to the whole world: "The West is not good people, we are only with Russia!" That's what everyone wants !!! Like, either you are with us or not. There is no third? Given! It is only necessary not to put a framework in what is said! Or does everyone think that Europe is rolling with the lifting of sanctions and Lukashenko will turn his back on Russia ??? He will not turn away, because this has been said more than once and, moreover, is being done! What's wrong with the fact that the country, in accordance with its laws and the principles prescribed in the Constitution, does not bark with its neighbors, but pursues a peaceful policy towards everyone? Multi-vector ... Which for some reason is called "sitting on two chairs"? What's bad about it???
Yes, understand those who still have brains - the country's economy is tied to Russia and everyone understands this, we are the only ones who did not chop with an ax what was left after the USSR, who do not drive the Russians. Isn't that enough? Need to shout to the whole world and choose who we are? We have long chosen and instead of the faith of the talkative yellow press and all sorts of "analysts" judge by deeds! If anything, the people will go shoulder to shoulder with Russia, the memory is still alive and we are not destroying monuments. Is that too little? Or is it necessary that they shouted to the whole world, so that someone's pride would be comforted?
But when he gets to the government .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing? Do you need it ??? Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world? What is being done is not enough ???
Sometimes you need to turn on the brains, and not become like Western zombies, believing fairy tales ...
Ugh, disgusting ...

[venaya]

Quote: Rurikovich

... Now when he gets to power .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing? Do you need it ??? Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world? What is being done is not enough ???
...

You understand, this is precisely what we are afraid of. Another maidan on our head? This snake should not be allowed under any circumstances. But how to do it? Sorry, but this is what you should tell us.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: venaya

You understand, this is precisely what we are afraid of. Another maidan on our head? This snake should not be allowed under any circumstances. But how to do it? Sorry, but this is what you should tell us.

Maidan ??? Do we have an example at hand ??? At the last elections they wanted to arrange a "flower". What happened? No. What is the problem? In your fears ...
Suggest how to implement? For this, you need to at least not bother just living (or surviving - who can call it convenient). We have preserved what is left of the USSR, in order to eat, we need to sell what we have. In order to produce this, we do not destroy ties with Russia. Because we stupidly have no gas and oil. And we can only give what we have. To sell, you need to buy. After all, you won’t say that we will take everything from you? No, here you have to travel the world! And what, is our fault in the crisis and in the fact that instead of 5000 MAZs and tractors, only 2000 are bought from us? This is me, for example. Well, there is still salt. The usual dumb market law. If we had oil and giz, we would not have steamed, but it is necessary. We have to be friends with our neighbors in order to survive, and we are still charged with IT, called sitting on two chairs !!!
Guys, learn economics! Nobody asks you to support us forcibly, but at least do not bother to survive yourself, as it turns out with what we have!
And then, as soon as it became worse according to the laws of the market for objective reasons, that’s all - regime x ..., Lukashenko is slippery ... Look deep into the problem, and do not look for a black man where he is not there.

[0255]

Quote: Rurikovich

Maidan ??? Do we have an example at hand ??? At the last elections they wanted to arrange a "flower". What happened? No. What is the problem? In your fears ...

And many people admire "well done Ukrainians threw off their Yanukovych." And discontent in the country is growing. Or do you believe the tales on BT on the topic "we have no crisis and no devaluation?"

Quote: Rurikovich

We have preserved what remains of the USSR

Again, tales from BT and Belarusian Republican Youth Union, factories from the USSR are completely bent, work 3-4 days, people do not get paid for months. In my city, 5 successful plants were bent in Soviet times. 2 of them were converted into shopping centers.
Our factories operate on ancient and worn-out Soviet equipment, "made-to-measure production" is made only in words, there are very few modern factories in the country. And money is invested not in production, but in stranded ice rinks.

Quote: Rurikovich

And what, is our fault in the crisis and in the fact that instead of 5000 MAZs and tractors, only 2000 are bought from us? This is me, for example. Well, there is still salt. The usual dumb market law. If we had oil and giz, we would not have steamed, but it is necessary. We have to be friends with our neighbors in order to survive, and we are still charged with IT, called sitting on two chairs !!!

Or maybe you need to produce competitive products that they will buy? New MAZs break down already in the first year, the quality of MTZ tractors also fell.

Quote: Rurikovich

Guys, learn economics!

Rurikovich, you yourself would need to learn about economics, and the Belarusian Republican Youth Union about our best in the world, which has analogues "satsyyalna arentiravanuyu ekanamicheskuyu Madel"

Quote: Rurikovich

Nobody asks you to support us forcibly, but at least do not bother to survive yourself, as it turns out with what we have!

Come on? Our economy is stupidly supported by loans from Russia and sometimes the IMF and the EU. How does Russia prevent us from surviving, low gas prices, deferred loan payments?

[tolian]

Dear visitors, I recognize another Belarusian government positioner. Such people talk about billions of Lukashenka, about golden toilets in dozens of mansions, about Lukashenko's schizophrenia, about Kolya's desire to make him president and many other "facts." These are paid or, angry at the impossibility of robbing Belarusians, stupid, greedy people. Belarus, we are with you!

[tolian]

I always thought, and now I think that all those who roll on Lukashenko are just limited, stupid people. With a great desire to bazaar in public in a pose.

[Name]

Emotionally ..., I understand, it’s a shame for the State. But you forgot one RULE- FOR ALL GOOD DO NOT BE!

[Rurikovich]

Quote: name

Emotionally ..., I understand, it’s a shame for the State. But you forgot One RULE- FOR ALL GOOD DO NOT BE!
Answer

Well ... Of course, it can be hypothetically hypothesized that sooner or later the choice will have to be made. But why speed it up? The time will come, a situation will arise when it will be impossible to stay away - we will do it.
Or you living on the same street with your neighbors will start running and talking, you, Vasya - g ..., you, Manya, too, but I don’t want to talk to you, I’ll just talk to Tonka, she gives! So? Or can you just not quarrel with anyone, not increase your passion out of the blue, say hello as before to maintain at least a hostile relationship and continue to be friends with those with whom you consider it necessary? Can? Can.
So why make an elephant out of a fly ???

[cormorant]

No need to distort, Rurikovich. Everyone sees everything, and how you Russians are called “Horde” there, and how slowly, but stubbornly, Latin is popularized in your country ... Generations of young Belarusians educated in independent Belarus were literally zombified in terms of “separating” Belarusians from the Russian people and Russia . Everything goes, and methodically and persistently, to the Ukrainian scenario.

[0255]

Quote: cormorant

No need to distort, Rurikovich. Everyone sees everything, and how you Russians are called “Horde” there, and how slowly, but stubbornly, Latin is popularized in your country ... Generations of young Belarusians educated in independent Belarus were literally zombified in terms of “separating” Belarusians from the Russian people and Russia . Everything goes, and methodically and persistently, to the Ukrainian scenario.

I agree with you

[Pissarro]

Who writes in Latin in Belarus? Or so, zvezdezh for pumping?

[0255]

Quote: Pissarro

Who writes in Latin in Belarus? Or so, zvezdezh for pumping?

Oppositionists once suggested switching from Cyrillic to Latin

[alicante11]

You do not need a visa or anything ... If you want, you’ve arrived, you want to leave. Russian is the second state language! Is this not enough? Why is it so boring ??? BUT????

Are you sure that all this is tantamount to "discounts" on energy resources and a cover with a nuclear umbrella? Moreover, the "second state" is only a statement of fact, with a curve. I think that many more Belarusians speak Russian than Belarusian. So you should have Russian first de jure, as well as de facto. About cheap energy resources - I'll keep quiet, Russia has always been milked by all allies. Well, about the military cover - ask the Libyans what it is like to be alone with NATO. But But Father can summon the spirit of Gaddafi to a seance and ask how he liked it when he was tortured by bandits protected by the West.

But when he gets to the government .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing?

Well, we get drunk, but you have to ride. Has the example of Ukriana really taught nothing?

Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world?

No, everything is simpler here. Father can shout as much as he wants to the whole world about his independence. The main thing is to give "our" oligarchs the tidbits of industry. And he does not want to do this. For which respect and respect to him. True, I am afraid that he will not shake this "haystack" anyway. You have to pay for everything, Murmurych took it too literally, that it was enough to buy Treasuries and finance Srakozy's election campaign. For which he suffered, But Father follows in his footsteps.

[0255]

Quote: alicante11

I think that a lot more Belarusians speak Russian than the Belarusian language.

Most of our Russophobes speak Russian, however, like Ukrainian.

[alicante11]

Most of our Russophobes speak Russian, however, like Ukrainian.

Yes, that's not the question. The division of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine is simply a crime, the division of one people. And it would be quite logical to say that if we are brother-relatives, then let's erase the boundaries and live together, correct the consequences of this crime. It would be if the oligarchs did not rule in Russia, so I cannot call on my brother-Belarusian to be subjected to oligarchic robbery with me. It's easier with the Ukrainians, they were robbed by their own oligarchs, so it's better to be in trouble together. And in Belarus, state capitalism, you are more fortunate with the leader. But Father may not hold a candle to the GDP, as a politician, but he is the master in his country, not a "galley slave" among the oligarchs and is good enough in politics that I regret that Russia is not governed by Father, or, even better, Murmurych Gaddafi.

[0255]

alicante11 come to us for permanent residence, and you will be convinced that not everything is as beautiful as it seems to you in Russia. Then you will bite your elbows with frustration

[alicante11]

alicante11 come to us for permanent residence, and you will be convinced that not everything is as beautiful as it seems to you in Russia. Then you will bite your elbows with frustration

Capitalism, it is capitalism everywhere, even state. For a simple person, nothing good can be given.

[Olezhek]

Another "analyst" has appeared with only his correct opinion! "Belarus has ONLY two ways."

Yes, I am like this ! hatch out !!

Almost 20 years is carried out (it is EXACTLY done, NOT DECLARATED), the allied policy of rapprochement, ties are not broken, the boundaries are practically NO! Because not only are we doing as part of rapprochement.

Colleague - heartily greet the cat with your avatar.
Do you know what a friendly zone is ??
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm unfair, but our relations with Belarus remind me of this - friendly zone ... A more primitive and stupid model is the "nipple system"
You see, Belarus is satisfied with that, yes. The problem is that it does not suit Russia.

What is wrong with the fact that the country, in accordance with its laws and the principles laid down in the Constitution, does not bargain with its neighbors, but conducts a peace-loving policy towards all?

Sorry - colleague YOU inattentively read my little article. Russia fought a lot inside and
now -in the country.
And Lukashenko is great !! He made this blood and dirt fly past Belarus!
Here is a dirty, podskantstsionnaya with Kalashnikov at the ready and with a bandaged head Russia
And there is a peace-loving Belarus, which no one barks ...

You live in safety created by the very Russian soldiers who died in Chechnya ..
And be proud that your hands are clean from both blood and dirt ..
Will you forgive Switzerland ??? Someone recognized your sovereignty ??
There is a war. Across the planet.
And it so happened that you are not fighting on the side of Russia. So it goes.

We have long chosen and instead of the faith of the talkative yellow press and all sorts of "analysts" judge by deeds! If anything, the people will go shoulder to shoulder with Russia

Yu Ossetia, Chechnya, Donbass, Syria ...
Excuse me - WHERE did the Belarusian people "go shoulder to shoulder?"
Then I was offered to drink brandy together, I suggest you fight together.
Russia is in a position to fight terrorists and other ..
We are not useful .. allies who do not want to quarrel with anyone.

That's when some government will get to power .... and it will close the border, begin to drive out the Russians and select companies that you will sing? Do you need this ???

We do not care.
Already do not care.
Losing your head in the hair do not cry ..
Russia got involved in a big war .. and in the Donbas and in Syria and complexes about Minsk ..

[kugelblitz]

Nevertheless, Old Man must stop doing political prostitution, or-or ... Well, about

“Russia has no money, no brains”

http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1952292.html

It's time to answer for the bazaar

[Mentor]

I will be calm, although I support a colleague Rurikovich... The author of the article has not been to Belarus. All his data are from the Internet, where the opposition reigns dissatisfied with the lack of "cookies". People of mature age have no idea of ​​life without Russia, or in confrontation with Russia.
PS Author! Come to us, and not to Minsk, but to the province. We’ll sit, we’ll drink cognac, we’ll talk about life.

[0255]

Quote: Mentor

I will be calm, although I support a colleague Rurikovich... The author of the article has not been to Belarus. All his data from the Internet, where the opposition reigns dissatisfied with the lack of "cookies".

I live in Belarus, and I agree with the author. And you don’t need to drop the Internet from accounts, almost everyone has computers today.

Quote: Mentor

People of a mature age living without Russia, or in confrontation with Russia, do not represent at all.

Not all Belarusians are for Russia, there are those who look to the west.

[Aleks28]

Quote: 0255

Not all Belarusians are for Russia, there are those who look to the west.

Well then, it's a matter of time unfortunately ... Belarus is waiting for the fate of Ukraine, and maybe even worse.

[Anatole]

I agree, men, only guys born after 1980 became the main driving force in Ukraine, I do not exclude everyone else, but this group was the most critical and most effective one. Who found not only the metamorphosis of the information field but also the educational one. So you can, as much as you want, the "old guard" born in one big country, drink a well-deserved and friendly brandy, the young and well-groomed will sweep away and not stutter.
A lot of relatives in Ukraine and Belarus, brothers, aunts, etc., for me one space, one people, but the information war does not have a separator, and affects everyone and everything. Among their relatives, they took it as an axiom not to discuss politics and remember that the main thing is family and family values, and it does not matter how many time zones and invisible borders are scattered. Yours faithfully

[andrejwz]

This, of course, is a difficult topic - relations between Russia and Belarus. Very difficult. About how relations between Russia and Ukraine ten years ago.

Aren't you tired? Just like a jealousy with a lover. At first, endless jealousy and demands to devote all of himself to him without a trace, and when I got out and what I was afraid of - she decided to leave - it happened, cries: I always knew that you were a whore.

[Arkan]

After all, in a democratic paradise, they were waiting for the democratic gurus.

The gurus from a shitty paradise will be something like this.

Fatherland fellow countrymen should think, but do they need it?

[m262]

You tie with a booze in the morning, and you don’t need to teach us what kind of houri there are, a colleague Rurikovich has already popularly explained what multi-vector is. In 2008, there were precedents: Medvedev suggested recognizing Ossetia and Abkhazia, Lukashenko said that Belarus would have REAL problems with the West (sanctions, bans on supplies, etc.) and we would need Russia's support, what did Medvedev answer ??? We play in the place, and the tablets apart?

[Arkan]

Your neighbors in Ukraine have experienced the association with the EU. In the eyes of Europe, you probably think that something is different from them? Something is not clear to you in Belarus and you think that the Americans perceive your multi-vector approach differently than we do in Russia?

[Olezhek]

Medvedev suggested recognizing Ossetia and Abkhazia, Lukashenko said that Belarus would begin with REAL problems with the West (sanctions, prohibitions on supplies, etc.) and we would need support from Russia, what did Medvedev say ??

That's right - this is the point from which the attitude towards Belarus has changed dramatically

[starriuy]

No one except the Russians of Russia will be either an ally or an assistant NEVER ...
Only Russia itself assistant and intercessor ....
That's when Russia gets stronger, becomes a really strong country, only then all these pseudo-independent Poland, Ukraine, Belarusians, etc. they will really begin to become our allies, but for now they are only rushing around trying to guess who will eventually become stronger and to whom to go six. The law of power, only he always worked ...

[akudr48]

It is sad to talk about this, Belarus had exactly two strategic development options. The first is full reintegration with Russia. The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine in one way or another.

I believe the author is right about two options. There are no other options for a multi-vector policy (as Ukraine tried) in the present conditions for Belarus. Although Belarusians are not UKRs, they have never been traitors.

And why, in fact, is such truth sad and for whom? For Russians, this truth is the only truth, a joyful truth, because if Russians and Ukrainians are one people (as the President says), then Russians and Belarusians are all the more so.
Belarusians have a more complicated situation. Communist power endowed them with the state within the USSR, and with the fall of the Union a desire arose (supported by Poland and the West) to completely abandon now Russia. especially when they saw Yeltsin’s Russia.

Old Man is a powerful leader, and he could, as President, lead the united country of Russia with reunited Belarus. But Moscow beneficiaries from the collapse of the USSR will not allow him to do this.

Therefore, the Old Man and his elites maneuver between Russia and not even the West, but Poland, maneuver, maneuver and can maneuver, like the U.K.r.
Therefore, the question is whether Russians in the format of Belarusians will be able to unite with Russians in the format of Russians in a single and indivisible Russia.
Russians in Russia will answer, yes. But how the Belarusians will answer is not known. This is the difficulty.

And further. The author writes strangely in Russian - "Belarus", and not Belarus, as is correct. Immediately gives an advance payment and consent to it. You must respect yourself and the Russian language.

I remember how the Balts forced the late USSR to write something like "Tallinn" instead of "Tallinn", because it seemed to them that it would be right to respect proud Estonians. But they did not respect.

[Olezhek]

And further. The author writes strangely in Russian - "Belarus", and not Belarus, as is correct. Immediately gives an advance payment and consent to it. You must respect yourself and the Russian language.

Met and one other option. There is a tractor like that ...

[valokordin]

Lukashenka’s interests and the interests of the Russian oligarchs do not coincide, so disagreements arise. Old Man is furious when he learns about the intention of Russian banking and economic sharks to gobble up the Belarusian economy. Therefore, his impulsive antics seem anti-Russian. The main thing here is that it contradicts the communist education of the Belarusian president, his spirit, and not the desire to sit on 2 chairs. It is a pity, of course, that his Fanfaron escapades annoy not only the leadership of Russia, but also the Russians themselves.

[noWAR]

Quote: valokordin

valokordin (4)

You are right, dear. And such as the author of the article all the time they want everyone under one comb and drive one frame.

[Olezhek]

The Old Man becomes fierce when he learns about the intention of the Russian banking and economic sharks to devour the Belarusian economy. Therefore, his impulsive antics seem anti-Russian.

Guys, I explain it popularly - can you imagine the state and level of the Russian economy?
So they wanted to upgrade the Belarusian one and integrate it into the Russian one.
Old Man naturally repulsed.
We are not interested in endlessly sponsoring his megaproject "socialism with a Belarusian face".
The problem is that the Belarusian economy is not self-sufficient.

[da Vinci]

The Putin-Medvedev tandem is certainly not a gift and evokes complex feelings, but a father with a young heir is something. Pure BNDR

[Mentor]

Quote: da Vinci

The Putin-Medvedev tandem is certainly not a gift and evokes complex feelings, but a father with a young heir is something. Pure BNDR

Dont be upset. Twenty years later, Nicholas III is crowned in the Church of St. Basil the Blessed, as emperor of the Union Empire. For this, AHL carries it around with him. Teaches the future emperor.

[Nymp]

Now is the time to clearly define your position. Either you are euromaidanuty (why does Russia need such a "friend"?), Or you are for reunification with Russia! Standing on the sidelines, the state tightly economically tied to Russia, will not work. Brothers Belarusians should not be offended by reality. Well, really, you will not watch aside as strangers beat your close relative? I mean the everyday situation. The same is in politics, a peak situation is brewing, and there is no time for internecine strife.

[valokordin]

Quote: Nymp

Now is the time to clearly define your position. Either you are euromaidanuty (why does Russia need such a "friend"?), Or you are for reunification with Russia! Standing on the sidelines, the state tightly economic tied to Russia, will not work. Brothers Belarusians should not be offended by reality. Well, prvo, you will not watch aside as strangers beat your close relative? I mean the everyday situation. The same is in politics, a peak situation is brewing, and there is no time for internecine strife.

If there were no contradictions between socialism and bourgeoisism, this conflict would not exist

[Nymp]

You want to say that we have a different political system with Belarus? I don’t know if theirs can be called socialism. But as the author of the article said, initially Belarus had only two choices (we exclude two fantastic ones, we leave the real ones) and further describes which ones. Do you agree with the author?

[Stranger]

It is impossible to let it drift. Russia is obliged to increase political influence and keep Belarus from (Euro-values). Old Man is better (gunpowder).

[onix757]

Daddy fellow! And the state is building a socially oriented and preserved industry. And the fact that "pulls" a little from Russia is a sin not to take the opportunity. They do not pump oil. We also need to figure out who needs whom more and who is more useful to whom. Without Belarusian electronics and mechanical engineering, the Russian military-industrial complex would not have survived under the sanctions, and without a friendly army on the western borders, Russia has nothing to oppose its western "partners" ... well, except for two divisions. Therefore, I need to say thank you to my dad for providing our military-industrial complex with an electronic component base and mechanical engineering products. And the fact that the industry does not allow our thieves-oligarchs to be razed so it says only that he loves his country and his people.

[0255]

And you, too, move to us for permanent residence, you will see that everything is not so beautiful with us

[onix757]

Well, what a habit for hamsters to minus without explaining the reasons. Are the arguments over?

[Tjeck]

an article from the category (philosophy in the kitchen), but the stench was spread ... strange people here, however, before writing on behalf of the Russian state, at least look at the integration of Russia / Belarus and compare it with any other country.

although the main question I have for the author is what is the purpose of this article? the author has only two options))
1.) he is really not far off and did not think about the consequences
2.) the next provocateur koi already tried to make noise in 2010 - it turned out not beautifully ..

I just don’t understand, even if the article was written for the purpose of provocation, the opposition (red and white) is insignificant, in the near future the Nuland cookies will definitely not help. Well, to the Old Man I have no claims. so I'm leaning towards the first option.

[onix757]

Excuse me, but what is the layer between the reds and whites? Could I give it a chance with his "high" rating and the edrom headed by him?

[Tjeck]

if the memory does not change between red and white there is a red horse I'm not talking about the Christian Christian army and the White Guards, I had in mind the signature of the opposition ..

[Mentor]

Quote: onix757

Well, what a habit for hamsters to minus without explaining the reasons. Are the arguments over?

Well, what arguments can the opponents of independent Belarus have? On the one hand, it is indecent to sing along to Lukashenka's opponents, all the more so for those the program, hmmm, causes only laughter. "Abroad will help us!" - the immortal words of Ostap Bender still caress the ears of liberals of all stripes and nationalities. On the other hand, Belarus must necessarily become part of Russia, because that's right! These urya-patriots absolutely do not recognize the independence of the republic, and there is no way to think carefully. Both Putin and Lukashenko need Switzerland, not completely, of course, but mostly. The Russian president needs a place where he can meet his opponents, and in a fairly comfortable environment from the host side. The Belarusian is quite enough with trade preferences and a sense of its importance. And the Russian military also take into account the flight time, which the Republic of Belarus increases for them. Russia needs independent Belarus more than the North-West Federal District. You can always blame a couple of little things on the unpredictable character of the Belarusian president

[onix757]

Both Putin and Lukashenko need Switzerland, not completely, of course, but for the most part. The Russian president needs a place where you can meet with your opponents, and in a fairly comfortable environment by the host. The Belarusian is quite enough trade preferences, and feelings of their importance

Switzerland is more needed by our powers that be. AHL is already well aware of the value of its country both for the West and for Russia, and therefore it can sit on the priest evenly and select lucrative offers. Another thing is unacceptable, the inhabitants of the Kremlin do not know how to talk with Belarus on an equal basis. The whole conversation is reduced to the formula "you will not give up, bend down." It is clear that such an alignment will begin to oppress anyone.

[Olezhek]

On the other hand, Belarus must necessarily become part of Russia, for, so right! Independence of the republic, these urya-patriots do not recognize at all, and not to think carefully

Guys - no longer. That is - a fork. Or with us or with Europe. So it goes. Belarus Stalin included in the UN with the fact that it’s like to have your own person from a kind of independent state.
Lukashenko went further. He pursues a fully independent foreign policy.
Understand - it is ALREADY uninteresting to us.
Everything - the transition period is over.
No one in the world finances an independent state. This is absurd.
Old Man wants 1 to have a fully independent policy
2 Live on Russian subsidies.
It does not happen.

[Belarus]

I stand for close relations with the Russian Federation. Just for one simple reason: no one will help us except the Russian Federation.Does anyone think that Europe needs our products ??? Is Europe open to us its markets ??? Yes, in general, what can Europe give us besides loans on its terms.
Remember what you said about the integration of the AHL: we will go as far as the Russian Federation wants it. And as soon as the Russian Federation proposed to go further and deeper, our leadership immediately started talking that the Russian Federation wants a lot.We simply simply do not know how to negotiate, but only blah blah blah.
Yes, it would be possible to blame something on the leadership of the Russian Federation or the Republic of Belarus - but the presidents met repeatedly in person. Was it really impossible to solve this or that issue ???
Everyone has heard the question of the air base of the Russian Federation in Baranovichi. If we come from the media of the Republic of Belarus, it turns out that the GDP and the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation had no idea that we should talk about this with our president, but they themselves wanted to open this base.
Personally, it’s hard for me to look at this whole situation when they can’t agree and constantly drive away the idea that we can get into a fuss.

[Aleks28]

Quote: Belarus

I stand for close relations with the Russian Federation. Just for one simple reason: no one will help us except the Russian Federation. Does anyone really think that Europe needs our goods ??? Is Europe open to us its markets ??? Yes, in general, what can Europe give us besides loans on its terms.

If there are majority of such people in Belarus and it is not passive, then no "Maidans" are afraid of it!

[Evgeniy30]

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The idea of ​​the base is entirely yours. Lukashenko asked 2 fighters 20 years ago. Putin did not. Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter. There will be the remaining 10 without the help of Russia. In light of the foregoing:
1. There are equipped airfields
2. There are trained pilots
3. There are fighters
AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.
Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election? Bravo Russia! This is an ally! Before each election, either the Godfather, then the slops in your media, then the St. Petersburg and Moscow revolutionaries go to organize our Square, along the way, grabbing cars from Smolensk with a metal bar to beat our policemen. Bravo again! You will always have allies.

I don’t know who sent whom with rods to you, but what does Russia have to do with it? Don't you know that some liberal Belarusian Natsiks were also brought to Bolotnaya and other areas by someone? Have you ever wondered who is hysterical about the Russian-Belarusian brotherhood? Aren't they liberals on both sides? In the Belarusian media, too, there is often slop addressed to Russia, some of them rewrite history, inventing "Russian-Belarusian wars".
I read here "srach" Russian and Belarusians and disgusting at heart. Friends, let's not get carried away by provocations and attempts to push and embroil us? The Ukrainian Bandera-Nazis brought to power have already achieved enmity. The propaganda of the Banderosmi has already zombified the brains of Ukrainians so much that it becomes already scary. But it all started with timid statements, and rare trial Anturus articles.
Who gave what fighters, or didn’t give, whether there was talk about the base and who agreed with whom, why the politicians on the sidelines say we don’t know, but we judge by media reports, bloggers, and other informational stuffing. Let's put aside emotions and mutual insults. We have nothing to share!

[Tambov Wolf]

Once we have been inactive for the PROSRA and Ukraine, now we are inactive again. Where is the work of the ambassador and his gang of idlers? Where is the propaganda and agitation from our side? Where is the work with Father, so that he does not spin like a fucking skin? Where is the work with the "opposition" in Belarus? Where is the pushing through the installation of our military bases? Then again we will look at different "Maidans" and yell, let them go, who is to blame?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

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In short - WHERE-EEE-EEE ???

Wolf, Tambovsky .. where is the construct? Some screams .. incoherent

[Tambov Wolf]

Yes, if those who need to do this, chase the bulldo, what do we do, how not to yell. Age, then, three Mondays left. Maybe they will heed the screams, saboteurs.

[Genur]

Quote: Temples

And again the Russians are to blame

Not Russians . and the "liberal" Russian government

[demos1111]

All these disputes are absolutely stupid at the moment, as a resident of Minsk, I’ll say that the Belarusian industry is a myth. And the disputes here are stupid, even the most ardent Russophobes, what Russophobes are there, the Poles admit it.
But I still consider Lukashenko
Fortunately for Russia, it is like a brake on the development of Belarus. With another, smarter, it would probably have been a chance to go west, now, no. Or very worthless consequences. Although he, Lukashenko is doing everything to go west, he sincerely wants it.
In other words, the plants will be in Minsk, the construction site is already standing.

[Olezhek]

With a friend, smarter, perhaps it would have been a chance to go west

Lithuania as be gone ...

[Olezhek]

Thanks to all members of the forum for giving their opinion!
It was interesting! Special thanks to Belarusians.
Personal thanks to the author - "Don't make your father nervous" Alexey Volodin.
We must meet more often!

[gammipapa]

What is the point here for us to find out who is senior here and who is smarter or more cunning?
Several years ago, at a company, we somehow got together and discussed politics, and how is it that everything is not humanly like us, that people became cunning, each for himself and striving to deceive his neighbor. One more intelligent and wise comrade listened for a long time and then said how he snapped -But forgive, it’s all our people, we are there, we don’t have other people, but we ourselves are to blame for everything. do you want to find? A lot of time has passed, but it was remembered.

Is it the same with Belarusians, are they bad? Yes, no worse than us and, more precisely, that is what we are. I’ll say more, and Ukrainians will also now jump in their faces, wrinkling their eyes and seeing when there is nothing to eat.