Minsk disagreements

This is undoubtedly a difficult topic - relations between Russia and Belarus. Very difficult. Approximately as the relations of Russia and Ukraine about ten years ago. However, in my opinion, it is necessary to dot the i. Simply put everything on the shelves. Numerous comments from a wide variety of Belarusians in the Russian media prompted me to write this short note. Often there was a lot of resentment and emotion.


Insulting each other, and even more insulting - is very unconstructive. Hush up the problem is also not entirely correct. I wanted to determine the Russian position on this issue as clearly as possible. Oddly enough, for some reason, it remains a mystery to many in Belarus.

First of all, I wanted to answer about the “imperial ambitions” of Russia. We do not live in the XVII century. There was a time when in Europe there were many different in size and influence of states. They entered into alliances, feuded, fought. But we live here and now. Where is the former great Austria (or rather, what is left of it) on a call from Washington forcibly lands and searches the plane of the President of Bolivia.

Times have changed, now is not the XVIII century and not XIV. It is sad, but that Europe will not be returned. By the way, even in that “happy Europe” of the era of the plague or inquisition, the independence of the countries was very relative. The big countries influenced the smaller, stronger ones to dictate their policies to the weaker ones. Big fish eat small ones. Such is the classic situation.

I understand, it sounds quite cynical and unpleasant. Everyone wants to that “civilized Europe”, where human rights are respected and even the smallest and dubious country (like Estonia) has the same voting right as Germany. I understand - everyone wants a bright fairy tale. Alas, it is impossible. Neighboring Poland with Belarus, which Ukrainians love to cite as an example, sent soldiers to another's war in Iraq. The Americans ordered them, and they went to die and kill in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Are you surprised? And yet it is. Poland has not and cannot have interests in the Mosul region. In the area of ​​Kabul, the Poles, too, could not have interests. However, Polish soldiers were dying in Afghanistan. By order of the Americans. Without question. They traveled to distant Asia and died there. And no one was indignant. They were happy to die for America. After all, in the democratic paradise the democratic gurias were waiting for them.

A little known fact - the Ukrainians participated in the occupation of Iraq. And they also died there in the name of America. And not a single curse in the imperial ambitions was uttered. For the Poles, as well as for the Ukrainians, America is God. And Obama is His prophet. Can you imagine how Belarusians with songs and dances go to the first Chechen? On the second? I understand the question is unpleasant. But I am just drawing analogies (USA - Poland and Russia - Belarus).

You can often find the statement that the United States does not allow itself sharp statements about Poland. It may be so, but the United States does not supply cheap gas, cheap oil to Poland, the Poles may die for the United States, but they need a visa to enter it. Are these friends - "second-class" or third? No, the third is Germany. The United States does not sponsor the Polish economy in any way, but Polish politicians do not pray for them.

These are the relations between “independent” Poland and the United States. The situation with Lithuania - USA is even worse. You just want to cry. What is independence? But everyone is happy with everything. No one is indignant. Lithuanian soldiers are also going where the US will order them. And they die there with a smile on their lips. Did I say something new to someone? All I'm saying is a collection of platitudes. But now the President of Belarus and the entire Belarusian people want some kind of special relationship with Russia. Those that no one else has.

Where one side is obliged and obliged, and the other saintly keeps its independence. No matter how sad it is to talk about it - Belarus had exactly two strategic options for development. The first is a complete reintegration with Russia. In economics, politics, military. That is, Belarus as part of "Big Russia". The standard of living in the end is about as in the Moscow region. Belarus is extremely well located geographically (between Russia and Europe).

The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine in one sequence or another. You see, there are only two options. They are not three, not five and not ten. There is no "fan of opportunities." He was not there. Next come the fantastic options. Too two.

Option Lukashenko: Russia fully supports, protects and finances its exotic public education. At the same time, he does not even try to get inside Belarus, either economically or politically. The West, as we know, is actively promoting its interests.

Option opposition: Belarus in some fantastic way should jump on the steps of “Euroexpress”. At the same time, Russia continues to support, finance and subsidize the openly unprofitable Belarusian economy. At the same time, the radiant West is pouring its billions into building democracy.

It is best to start from the real picture of the world. Facts and logic help much better than emotions and comics. And yes, without the Belarusian partisans, we would not have won.
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  1. 79807420129 10 October 2015 06: 35 New
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    The author asks whether Belarusians will die for us? Ordinary Belarusians may or may not, like the Russians, if something happens. But the father, their weathervane, in Russia says one thing, he comes home completely different, Yanuk also wanted to sit on 2 chairs, but failed , By the way, Europe wants to remove sanctions from the Old Man, so the Maidan is brewing again.
    1. Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 06: 59 New
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      Old Man, too, sometimes tries. To sit.
      1. Skif83 10 October 2015 08: 55 New
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        Old Man is far from an angel, I do not protect him in any way, quite the contrary lately, but who is without sin.
        Well, remember the recent history of Russia, how many of its allies surrendered humpback, and Eltsin?
        Therefore, not everything is so simple. It is necessary to strengthen your country, and Old Man will see a strong Russia, will not go anywhere, will come to us.
        And about this one:
        Poland does not and cannot have interests in the Mosul area. In the Kabul region, the Poles could not have interests either. However, Polish soldiers were dying in Afghanistan.

        So this is an old trick, not like a crusade?
        Then, too, young and violent were sent under great slogans to conquer to conquer hell knows what.
        The tasks were and remain the same, to reduce the number of violent in their states, to enable them to rob the little things, and to take part in a large robbery.
        Nothing new!
        1. Good me 10 October 2015 10: 31 New
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          Quote: Skif83
          Therefore, not everything is so simple. It is necessary to strengthen your country, and Old Man will see a strong Russia, will not go anywhere, will come to us.


          It is doubtful your statement. It turns out that Yanukovych (a lot of not good words), "did not see a strong Russia," asking for Western cookies? And he "saw his light" only at the moment when he had to drape?

          Definitely, Lukashenko “snuggles in his hips” to the point that someone comes with a “cunning screw”.

          And I see our task in order to turn out to be “someone”, arriving on time, not being late, as is the case with Ukraine ...
          1. Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 10: 39 New
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            But I completely agree with you. Yes Old Man is smarter than Yanyka, since he doesn’t allow to rub. And the Soviet legacy is poorly watching. But wagging from side to side is not comme il faut. Here recently I tried to make friends with Petka. Maybe the game ........
          2. Alekseev 11 October 2015 08: 52 New
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            Quote: Good I
            Definitely, Lukashenko “snuggles in his hips” to the point that someone comes with a “cunning screw”.

            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            recently tried to make friends with a pet. Maybe the game ........

            We need to build our policies so that the influence of individuals is minimal.
            Pragmatism, however.
            Dad dad? The same end to him in the same place. Mostly financial and trading.
            But at the same time, of course, you need to understand each specific ...
            For the number of politicians and businessmen’s gundaras in the Russian Federation is also not small. yes
            But Lukashenko, despite his sometimes contradictory and stupid, chatter still maintains a true general line.
    2. Alexkorzun 10 October 2015 08: 57 New
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      Minus.

      Bad article. The author pretends that he tries to understand the question, puts pressure on sore points and does not offer anything. Or a provocateur, or this topic is too tough for him, not grown up.
      1. Horly 10 October 2015 09: 29 New
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        And the last phrase betrays the whole philosophy of the actor - it’s not for him to judge from the sofa the role of people who gave their lives for the Victory. By the way, like the Ukrainians, Georgians, Uzbeks and other peoples who inhabited the USSR who fought in the Soviet Army. And the root of the reason for this behavior of Belarus should be sought here in Russia, where officials are ready to rob their people to the skin, and the electorate enthusiastically welcomes the idiotic laws of the Duma! So Old Man protects his people from the prince-oligarchs from the East and the Teutonic predators from the West! While the ideology of the Golden Calf and consumerism rules the ball in Russia, we will observe such an attitude from our neighbors, and the media will rub what they are!
        1. Temples 10 October 2015 11: 36 New
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          and the electorate enthusiastically welcomes the idiotic laws of the Duma!

          Did you probably want to write ELECTORATE?
          And in between, the people of the country were called idiots.
          After all, people welcome idiotic laws. You write like that.

          And the root of the reason for this behavior of Belarus must be sought here in Russia

          And again the Russians are to blame wassat

          So the Old Man protects his people from the prince-oligarchs from the East

          And again the Russians are coming wassat

          and the media will rub, what bastards they are!

          It is YOU "rubbing" that everything is bad in Russia.
        2. go21zd45few 10 October 2015 12: 10 New
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          To say that we would have won without the partisans is the stupidity of the author and not knowledge
          history of the Second World War. Indeed, all the nationalities of the peoples of the USSR fought in partisan detachments throughout the occupied territory of the USSR. The partisan movement made a huge contribution to the victory over fascism. Yes, we could have won without partisans,
          but at what cost and at what time. Not a bad people, there are bad rulers. Lukashenko belongs to one of them.
          1. tupolev-95 10 October 2015 13: 38 New
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            And where is the author claiming this? Read carefully.
        3. Olezhek 10 October 2015 18: 30 New
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          And the root cause of this behavior of Belarus should be sought here in Russia, where officials are ready to take their people to the last
          So the Old Man protects his people from the oligarchs from the East and the Teutonic predators from the West!


          You see, in the “oil painting” painted by you - Belarus simply cannot survive ...
      2. Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 09: 31 New
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        I agree. Let it be better engaged in school essays or preparing to pass the exam.

        Author: The standard of living in the end is approximately the same as in the Moscow region

        As long as Belarus will be independent, the standard of living of its population will not exceed the Russian one. Objectively, the collapse of the USSR was useful for the Russian Federation: the heavy burden of the socialist camp was dropped, and then the Soviet republics. Zp in Belarus is lower, labor costs are lower, as a result, products are much cheaper. If a reunion with the Russian Federation follows, then competitiveness will sharply decrease and production will eventually rise. Belarus does not need this. Yes, and the Russian Federation too: it is more profitable to buy cheaper goods and lower cost products for the needs of the military-industrial complex. Therefore, Belarus will always be independent. wink

        Belarus had exactly two strategic options for development. The first is a complete reintegration with Russia. The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine

        More precisely and without pathos, the 2 option is: 1) industrial cooperation with the Russian Federation (trucks, tractors, chassis, electronics), supply of agricultural products (which we already see); 2) rupture of cooperative ties with the Russian Federation, the death of the industry with high surplus products, supplies to Russia (and who still needs it?) Agricultural products (which we observe in the example of Ukraine).

        Russia continues to support, finance and subsidize the blatantly unprofitable Belarusian economy

        In the long run, subsidies in the form of energy discounts should be viewed as a surcharge for the MIC products purchased by the Russian Federation from Belarus. And even with this increase, the cost of this product is beneficial for Russia. So this unprofitable economy can not be called.

        The United States does not sponsor the Polish economy

        But they sponsor the Polish political elite. We should not forget about the construction associated with the deployment of NATO infrastructure: it is a kind of multiplier for the Polish economy, attracting funds, resources, workers, updating the transport network.
        1. Temples 10 October 2015 11: 42 New
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          Another "strategist"
          Objectively, the collapse of the USSR turned out to be useful for the Russian Federation: the heavy burden of the social camp, and then the Union republics, was dropped.

          Watch a movie and listen carefully to what people “temporarily reigning” say:
          "What are you, son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state lands ?! So you can’t save any volosts."
          1. Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 12: 17 New
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            There is such a thing as a sphere of influence.
            1. Temples 10 October 2015 12: 45 New
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              There is also the northern lights!

              And a huge number of scientific concepts and natural phenomena!

              And if in essence - to break, not to build !!!
              You gentlemen, first build a state! And then "dump" parts of this state.

              Also looking for economic feasibility!

              You need to go out to break your leg, and then amputate it, justifying the amputation of the developed gangrene! As a result, amputation saves the patient's life!
              Answer FUCK ??? (why) did you break your leg?

              And here is not a leg! Here my people, here is our country, here the lives of our ancestors are given for the integrity of this country.
              Turn on the head of the gentlemen !!!
              Millions of relatives live in both countries. And throughout the former Russian Empire.
              All this was taken and torn overnight by obscurantists for the sake of reigning in their own lands.
              1. Olezhek 10 October 2015 18: 44 New
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                Millions of relatives live in both countries. And throughout the former Russian Empire.
                All this was taken and torn overnight by obscurantists for the sake of reigning in their own lands.


                Well, if Ramzan Kadyrov is the standard of the Patriot of Russia (I am serious yes ) - then Mr. Lukashenko worse than ??
                But Russia is not interested in an independent, multi-vector, flowing to the West Belarus.
        2. Olezhek 10 October 2015 18: 33 New
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          I agree. Let it be better engaged in school essays or preparing to pass the exam.

          There will be time - I will definitely do it! wink

          If a reunion with the Russian Federation follows, then competitiveness will sharply decrease and production will eventually rise. Belarus does not need this. Yes, and the Russian Federation too: it is more profitable to buy cheaper goods and lower cost products for the needs of the military industrial complex


          It would all be great, if indeed it were. The problem is that Russia is forced to subsidize the categorically inefficient and unprofitable Belarusian economy.

          1) industrial cooperation with the Russian Federation (trucks, tractors, chassis, electronics), supply of agricultural products (which we are already seeing); 2) rupture of cooperative ties with the Russian Federation, the death of the industry with high surplus products,


          You see, if you look at the news, you will agree: times are tough now. and industrial cooperation with a country with an incomprehensible political vector is dangerous.
          Before my eyes is the example of Ukraine. Disruption of engine supplies is a heavy blow to the Russian military-industrial complex. More we do not play such games. Sorry.

          Subsidies in the form of discounts on energy by and large should be considered as a surcharge for the MIC products


          Earlier you wrote - how profitable it is to buy cheap Belarusian goods to Russia.

          But they sponsor the Polish political elite. We should not forget about the construction associated with the deployment of NATO infrastructure: it is a kind of multiplier for the Polish economy, attracting funds, resources, workers, updating the transport network


          You understand - many thanks for such a direct and detailed commentary from Sineok.
          Thank. The position is clear.
          The answer is: for the last 22 of the year, we are Russians absolutely tired of the fact that the inhabitants of Eastern Europe treat us as second-rate people, and Americans and Europeans, as gods and heroes
          Sorry - we are tired of it.

          The base - NATO in Poland - is a growth multiplier and the Poles are happy, the base of the Russian Federation in Belarus is a threat to the Belarusians - and But father excuses ..
          Such are the double standards ...
      3. tolian 10 October 2015 13: 32 New
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        Yes, a slender article. Such a small drop of poison in a relationship. So it began on the outskirts. And then the grandchildren of Bandera got out. Note that there is nothing incomprehensible in the personal relationship between Putin and Lukashenko. Everything is quiet. They understand each other like presidents. Blather only custom-made.
        1. Olezhek 10 October 2015 18: 49 New
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          Yes, an article with a thin sight. Such a small drop of poison in a relationship. So began on the outskirts. And then the grandchildren of Bandera got out.


          And then !!! am I sit, flashing YAD, I recount the three pieces of silver from McCain ...

          Note that there is nothing incomprehensible in the personal relationship between Putin and Lukashenka.


          I have been interested in politics for a long time (there is such a disease)
          So Yeltsin could still "be friends" with Lukashenko
          Yeltsin closed his eyes to many things.
          The pragmatic, unemotional, Putin and Lukashenko immediately started having problems.
      4. Olezhek 10 October 2015 18: 29 New
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        Bad article. The author pretends that he tries to understand the question, puts pressure on sore points and does not offer anything. Or a provocateur, or this topic is too tough for him, not grown up.


        I kind of denote the problem.
        "A botanist should not weed the weeds. He will calculate the speed of their growth, and it is enough from him." S.Parkinson

        Call me a nerd ...
    3. 1500014781401 10 October 2015 09: 23 New
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      Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.
      1. Aleks28 10 October 2015 09: 33 New
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        Quote: 1500014781401
        Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

        Preparing workers .. Do you take a lot on yourself? And do not bite the hand that feeds. The law of nature!
        1. Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 09: 53 New
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          It does not understand your words.
      2. alicante11 10 October 2015 10: 01 New
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        However, what a conceit! What do you think, how many hours will the army of Belarus hold out under the blows of a coalition like the one that crushed Iraq when the Americans come to you for GDP. Do not bury yourself.
        1. Anatole 10 October 2015 10: 38 New
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          What does this have to do with a provocateur and the Army of Belarus ?! In a political dispute, always turn to individuals without state affiliation and references to “PEOPLES,” states and without your participation will be able to go broke, why mix it up? Drive like little poets on market day
          1. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 21 New
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            Fortunately, there are two such poets here and miscalculated. Most people understand. By the way. Lukashenko and Putin are in many ways similar. Only Putin, given the size of the country, has to be much more careful. Their relationship is king and king.
            1. Olezhek 10 October 2015 18: 50 New
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              By the way. Lukashenko and Putin are very similar.


              belay
        2. Pissarro 10 October 2015 10: 43 New
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          about the coalition smashing Iraq is no longer ridiculous. The Papuans and Eskimos have already heard about the "successes" of the coalition laughing
          1. alicante11 10 October 2015 11: 03 New
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            about the coalition smashing Iraq is no longer ridiculous. The Papuans and Eskimos have already heard laughing about the “successes” of the coalition laughing


            Yes? And what problems did the coalition of amers with the Angles have in 2003? In addition, the Americans simply do not want to fight there, but they cannot at all. The hatred ends very, very badly.
            1. Pissarro 10 October 2015 14: 03 New
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              Yes, solid problems. One Feluja showed the coalition's weakness. Saddam was thrown off by the security services who bought Iraqi generals and ruined the army. From a military and political point of view, the failure was complete, and the subsequent flight of the coalition from Iraq, Baghd’s complete demise to Tehran, the stupid American brainchild of ISIS, demonstrative cooperation of Iraq with Russia, etc. If this is a successful operation, what successes did the coalition achieve? She never controlled anything except the green zone of Baghdad, and even then in the daytime
              1. Olezhek 10 October 2015 18: 54 New
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                Yes, solid problems. One Feluja showed all the weakness of the coalition. The security services threw off Saddam’s special services, who bought Iraqi generals and ruined the army administration


                Komrad - let's estimate situuinu straight from FAI (alternative history forum)
                so here we take Sineokuyu and ... move to Africa next to Libya ... or between Syria and Iraq (not to frighten the Belarusians by the sea).
                Or to Latin America next to Venezuela ..
                By the way, it is possible in this version to adjust a thousand tons of oil.
                Make such a pancake, Emirate .. (as dad dreamed !!!) to flood Belarus with oil
                (potato minus)

                Tell me how it will end?
                Dictator, oil ..
                Night, street, lantern, pharmacy ...
              2. alicante11 11 October 2015 04: 06 New
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                Yes, continuous problems. One Feluja showed all the weakness of the coalition. Saddam was thrown off by special services who bought Iraqi generals and ruined army control.


                Understand that it is impossible to buy a winning army. This is from the same opera that supposedly German workers will stop the Wehrmacht, which attacked the USSR. They were bought because they lost. It’s just that the Americans decided that it was much cheaper to pay the generals so that the remnants of the army would scatter than to finish off the units that had settled in the fortified areas and cities. Nothing very original - air supremacy and deep operation. All fortifications and cities are simply bypassed and blocked. Finish for a long time, but the blocked ones no longer have chances. This was shown by the fighting in Libya, Sirte, Bani Walid held on for a long time, but fell when the resources and personnel ran out.
        3. Vadim237 10 October 2015 10: 57 New
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          Well, much longer than the one that Iraq had.
        4. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 18 New
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          You, too, are not far from the digital encryption.
      3. m262 10 October 2015 10: 20 New
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        Quote: 1500014781401
        Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

        Preparers damn, Do you need a house for Batka on Rublevka?
        1. alicante11 10 October 2015 11: 04 New
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          Preparers damn, Do you need a house for Batka on Rublevka?


          I think that Father will fight to the end, if that.
          1. Good me 10 October 2015 11: 33 New
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            I think that Father will fight to the end, if that.


            He would only have enough brains to choose the priority of the target correctly ...
      4. Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 11: 34 New
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        Quote: 1500014781401
        Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

        We have a sofa for Putin.
        1. Basarev 10 October 2015 12: 19 New
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          Quite rightly noticed: even our Russian elite, on the one hand, is already all in the West - at home, children, money, which is no secret to anyone, but on the other - flirts with China. What else could you call it, if not two chairs?
      5. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 17 New
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        Tsifroshifro, do not provoke visitors. Grantee or half-wit? Which, however, is one and the same.
  2. Name 10 October 2015 06: 43 New
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    That somehow worries the fact that “The decision to suspend sanctions against Belarus for four months will be taken by the European Union on October 12.”
    , the presentation of the Nobel Prize Aleksievich (Russophobia) happens right at the same time ...
    1. makarick 10 October 2015 07: 00 New
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      And what worries you? Everything is logical, remember the old rule, “divide and conquer.” You can read how Khoja Nasredin quarreled two friends ... Politics ... Obama is a laureate of a peace prize ...
      1. Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 09: 59 New
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        Or Belarus will be used as a clipboard with the Russian Federation
    2. Aleks28 10 October 2015 08: 28 New
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      Quote: name
      It is somehow alarming that the "Decision to suspend sanctions against Belarus for four months will be adopted by the European Union on October 12."
      , the awarding of the Nobel Prize Aleksievich (Russophobia) occurs right at the same time.

      To this must be added the statement of “Father’s” about the Russian military base (for which he himself, so recently, advocated) In short, the same “Cossack” ...
      1. 1500014781401 10 October 2015 09: 32 New
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        The idea of ​​the base is entirely yours. Lukashenko asked 2 fighters 20 years ago. Putin did not. Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter. There will be the remaining 10 without the help of Russia. In light of the foregoing:
        1. There are equipped airfields
        2. There are trained pilots
        3. There are fighters
        AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.
        Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election? Bravo Russia! This is an ally! Before each election, either the Godfather, then the slops in your media, then the St. Petersburg and Moscow revolutionaries go to organize our Square, along the way, grabbing cars from Smolensk with a metal bar to beat our policemen. Bravo again! You will always have allies.
        1. Aleks28 10 October 2015 09: 37 New
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          Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter

          What do you like, my dear? Since when did Belarus start to produce fighter jets. You got them for free !!! If you also counted on repairs and maintenance (by Russia), then this is an outrageous arrogance.
          Quote: 1500014781401
          1. There are equipped airfields
          2. There are trained pilots
          3. There are fighters
          AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.
          wassat
          1. 1500014781401 10 October 2015 09: 52 New
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            Passed a complete modernization. I do not smoke. Do not flatter yourself, Russia has NEVER delivered anything to us for free. And these fighters are ours.
            1. Aleks28 10 October 2015 10: 00 New
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              Quote: 1500014781401
              Passed a complete modernization. I do not smoke. Do not flatter yourself, Russia has NEVER delivered anything to us for free. And these fighters are ours.

              Well then Born .. USSR MiG-29 Pichugin-1.jpg
              Belarus Air Force Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 (9-13) Pichugin-1.jpg 37 [16] 17 MiG-29B, 12 MiG-29BM and 8 MiG-29UB, as of 2013. MiG-29BM (deep Belarusian modernization), were able to refuel in the air, use air-to-air missiles R-27ER / ET, RVV-AE, air-to-ground missiles X-29T / TD / L and X-25ML, X-31A / P anti-ship missiles, KAB-500Kr / L guided aircraft bombs with laser guidance [17] [18]. The combat effectiveness of the MiG-29BM compared to the MiG-29 "9-13" was improved by 80% against air targets and 4 times against ground targets.
              Su-25 Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR Belarus Air Force Sukhoi Su-25 Pichugin-1.jpg 22 [19] 17 Su-25 and 5 Su-25UB. Also, about 20 Su-25s are in storage. In 1992, it was in service with the 206th OSHAP (29 Su-25), the 378th OSHAP (32 Su-25) and the 397th OSHAP (32 Su-25) [20] [21] [22].
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              4 After the collapse of the USSR, the country received 23 Su-27P and 5 Su-27UB [23]. In September 2013, the operation of the Belarusian Su-27 was discontinued due to the expiration of the aircraft resource. In January 2014, it was decided to carry out major repairs and upgrade the Su-27 [24]. Temporarily withdrawn from the Air Force. Also in 2014, 10 Russian Su-27SM3 [25] [26] were deployed at the air base in Baranovichi.
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              Where do you see at least something Belarusian here?
            2. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 28 New
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              Calm down, grants willing.
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            Yes, he is like a Belarusian Bandera. And simply - undereducated.
        2. Aleks28 10 October 2015 09: 47 New
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          Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election?

          The question was raised by Lukashenko himself, and not today, but very good. for a long time, linking it with the supply of new aircraft (again for free), it didn’t burn out. The Butky electorate consists of supporters of rapprochement with Russia. So what's the setup? Well, a little more on the base: From of. no one has said a word about Russia’s people about this base, neither for nor against, but Lukashenko is just hammering it for or against. He himself sets himself up.
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            But Putin didn’t sign anything? Lukashenko did not ask for a base, no need to lie! Lukashenko said that Putin’s decision on the base was bypassing him as the head of our state. And the opinion of Belarusians is no longer taken into account? Are we already superfluous on Belarusian soil?
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              But Putin didn’t sign anything?

              Specifically, in your case, do not sign, but you need to register. The truth finder.
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              And the opinion of Belarusians is no longer taken into account? Are we already superfluous on Belarusian soil?

              Ohhh, pulled by maydan ..
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              But Putin didn’t sign anything? Lukashenko did not ask for a base, no need to lie! Lukashenko said that Putin’s decision on the base was bypassing him as the head of our state.

              belay Then with whom and what did Putin sign? wassat Lied to the end ... laughing
            3. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 32 New
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              Stop lying. And inflate even incorruptible. The base is and will be.
        3. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 26 New
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          Tsifroshifro, yes you are a real provocateur, mowing down under the Belarusian patriot. What are these Belarusian fighters? Who didn’t give something to anyone? Are you getting ready to change Lukashenko again in Minsk?
  3. venaya 10 October 2015 06: 47 New
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    Belarus was created in the 20s with some unfinished projects on our heads, so that we can add problems forever, now we are discussing something, and we are thinking how to get out of this ass.
    1. kartalovkolya 10 October 2015 08: 52 New
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      I agree with you, dear colleague, because it’s “eternally alive” with comrades and built for us a huge trap in the form of the USSR (in the sense of the Union republics, where there was no statehood for a while), but Comrade Stalin had a different opinion on the construction of a new socialist Powers! The essence of his national idea was simple and understandable - the broad autonomy of all regions of the former tsarist Russia as part of the RSFSR (which, in principle, was the same Russia, but with a different name), but when the “most humane” failed this idea, Joseph Vissarionovich , by virtue of its char ktera never to her not return, which is a pity! Could live in another state and no one could ever ruin it! A monolith is a monolith, and they’ve spread it into national apartments and that’s a bunch of sand!
    2. 1500014781401 10 October 2015 10: 00 New
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      D 1930-1940 on our land there were 120 places for the execution of Belarusians. There are about 200 of them in Kurapaty alone. After September 000, 1939 Belarusians were shot without trial or trial. Would you like to repeat? The war for the Belarusians began on September 25, 000, when Belarusian reservists from the western regions — engineers, doctors — were called up for the Polish army. It was they, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn.
      1. Pissarro 10 October 2015 10: 53 New
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        Probably, not Belarusians, but Chinese served in the bodies of the NKVD in the thirties of Belarus, and probably not the Belarusians, but the Chinese living in the neighborhood wrote denunciations to neighbors laughing
        About engineers and doctors from Kresy, he smiled, the inheritance of a Belarusian and a Ukrainian in pre-war Poland was never higher than a slave. In the cities, the Polish and Jewish populations overwhelmingly dominated, namely, engineers and doctors are produced there
        1. Aleks28 10 October 2015 10: 57 New
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          Probably, not Belarusians, but Chinese served in the bodies of the NKVD in the thirties of Belarus, and probably not the Belarusians, but the Chinese living in the neighborhood wrote denunciations to neighbors

          The typical logic of maydaun is: “Swear all things up.” They think Europe is a panacea, but they forgot how Soviet tanks (39) met flowers. Apparently, honey didn’t live the same. I don’t want to say that they began to live better, but they didn’t .
          1. Pissarro 10 October 2015 11: 13 New
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            Yes, simple Belarusians and the authorities did not forget, I saw posters on September 17 in Minsk in honor of the liberation of Western Belarus. These are the Maydaunas and the liberals there. Although they also haven’t forgotten, the Belarusian Maydaunas are all of Polish nationality, they want to be slaves again
      2. venaya 10 October 2015 11: 39 New
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        ... The war for the Belarusians began on September 1, 1939, when Belarusian reservists from the western regions — engineers, doctors — were called up for the Polish army. It was they, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn.

        I wonder how. Please tell us who exactly the Belarusians in Katyn shot, otherwise it’s not very clear to become.
      3. Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 11: 51 New
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        Quote: It was them, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn. [/ Quote

        As for Katyn, the question is far from controversial.
      4. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 34 New
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        Here is the banderlog. Kiev, or what?
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        Well, how much can you "procrastinate" an agitation concocted by our enemies and supported by the "Chief Bad Bad", the traitor Gorbachev! Well, is there really a dd-and-o-t-s who believe in this misinformation, this is an attempt to revise the results of the 2MB, summed up by the Nuremberg Tribunal, in the verdict of which the real executioners of Katyn are very clearly and clearly named and it’s time to put an end to it, and we how Russian citizens should give the most decisive rebuff to this provocation!
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          Well, is there really a-d-and-o-t-s who believe in this misinformation, this is an attempt to revise the results 2MB failed The Nuremberg Tribunal, in the verdict of which the real executioners of Katyn are very clearly and clearly named and it’s time to put an end, and we, as citizens of Russia, must give the most decisive rebuff to this provocation!

          But what the 1st channel says, the date of shooting 2015


          And here's another


  4. mamont5 10 October 2015 06: 51 New
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    The author asks whether Belarusians will die for us?

    And why should they (Belarusians) die for us? But for myself and for the Russian world ...
    1. Olezhek 10 October 2015 18: 57 New
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      And why should they (Belarusians) die for us? But for myself and for the Russian world ..


      Vanguyu-imagine NATO invaded Belarus ..

      Everyone understands that Russia is obliged to protect it, and Russian and Belarusians ..
      But on the contrary - does not work, why - a mystery ....
  5. rotmistr60 10 October 2015 07: 08 New
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    Who is ready to die for whom is probably not asking correctly. But Belarusians want to ask to live in a country similar to Ukraine and under the external control of the United States? Obviously, the local opposition is dreaming about it. And Lukashenko’s behavior can be predicted based on at least the fact that he is going for a fifth term.
    1. 0255 10 October 2015 09: 56 New
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      Who is ready to die for whom is probably asking incorrectly. But Belarusians want to ask to live in a country similar to Ukraine and under the external control of the United States? Obviously, the local opposition is dreaming about it.

      Already, many Belarusians dream about it, envious of Poles, Balts and Ukrainians (!!!), they believe that Putin attacked Ukraine, they are afraid of “polite people” or Strelkov coming to Belarus, they call Russians “barbarians, orcs”, they call Russia “Mordor” ", they consider themselves Litvins, in the ass that Belarus has sunk into, Russia is also blamed.
      1. Pissarro 10 October 2015 11: 17 New
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        I haven’t seen a Belarusian envious of Ukrainians. A man in his right mind (and most Belarusians are extremely rational and sane people) cannot want the victory of the Maidan in his country.
        But your Shnobel Prize laureate wants to see Belarus as the Baltic states (she announced yesterday in a box), it remains for everyone to run to wash toilets in Europe and destroy plants, and the laureate’s dream will come true smile
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          I haven’t seen a Belarusian envious of Ukrainians. A man in his right mind (and most Belarusians are extremely rational and sane people) cannot want the victory of the Maidan in his country.
          But your Shnobel Prize laureate wants to see Belarus as the Baltic states (she announced yesterday in a box), it remains for everyone to run to wash toilets in Europe and destroy plants, and the laureate’s dream will come true smile

          Do you live in the United Arab Emirates and will you tell me, living in Belarus, about my compatriots?
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            I work in the Emirates, and I myself am from Minsk
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              I work in the Emirates, and I myself am from Minsk

              Well, so what do you work in the Emirates, and not in our "astrology of stability and piety"?
        2. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 44 New
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          For a million dollars, anything he writes and declares. She was held on a hook for three years. They even made me leave for Minsk. So now the truth will begin to cut the uterus there.
      2. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 42 New
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        Here is another digitized one. Afraid of what? Why are you lying? Because they pay? Or out of habit. Well, they’ve been so ugly. So there are a lot of such among the Jews. Not Jews.
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          Quote: tolian
          Here is another digitized one. Afraid of what? Why are you lying? Because they pay? Or out of habit. Well, they’ve been so ugly. So there are a lot of such among the Jews. Not Jews.

          Is this me "digitized"? Maybe I, living in Belarus, know better the situation in the country? They don’t pay for my comments. I write what I think I see myself.
    2. tolian 10 October 2015 16: 39 New
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      The position in Belarus reminds me of the position prepared by the United States in Syria. They swelled a pollard, and 3-4 thugs were fighting for the USA. In Belarus, those who receive grants at the embassies of the western hosts blather. But the result will be Syrian.
    3. Olezhek 10 October 2015 19: 00 New
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      Who is ready to die for someone is probably not asking correctly.


      Sorry, these are difficult times, I would like to decide who will end up with us in the overall cozy trench ...
      By the way - these are the people who are tearing on their vest - where are the Chinese in Syria ..
      About Belarusians it is clear and no one stutters ..
  6. Rurikovich 10 October 2015 07: 22 New
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    Lord Yes, how much can you !!! Another “analyst” has appeared with only his opinion true! “Belarus has ONLY two ways” ... Ugh negative
    How many can be repeated - judge not by words, but by deeds! How much negativity pours out again from scratch, because someone said something! SAID AND DIDN'T DO !!! Almost 20 years have been spent (EXACTLY WENT, NOT DECLARED) Union policy for rapprochement, no ties were broken, there are practically no borders! You do not need a visa or anything ... If you want, you’ve arrived, you want to leave. Russian is the second state language! Is this not enough? Why is it so boring ??? AND????
    And here is my personal opinion. I will say why this happens!
    Because not only are we doing within the framework of rapprochement. It is necessary that they shout openly to the whole world: "The West is not good people, we are only with Russia!" That's what everyone wants !!! Like you are either with us or not. There is no third? It is given! It is only necessary not to expose the framework in what is being said! Or does everyone think that Europe is rolling up with the lifting of sanctions and Lukashenko will turn his back on Russia ??? It will not turn away, because it has been said more than once and, moreover, it is being done! What is wrong with the fact that the country, in accordance with its laws and the principles laid down in the Constitution, is not barking with its neighbors, but pursuing a peace-loving policy towards all? Multi-vector ... Which for some reason is called "sitting on two chairs"? What's bad about it???
    Yes, understand those who still have brains left - the country's economy is tied to Russia and everyone understands this, we are the ones who did not chop with an ax, what remains after the USSR, who do not drive the Russians. Is this not enough? Need to shout to the whole world and choose with whom are we? We have long chosen and instead of faith trembling the yellow press and all sorts of "analysts" judge by deeds! If anything, the people will go shoulder to shoulder with Russia, the memory is still alive and we will not destroy the monuments. Is that too little? Or is it necessary that they shout out to the whole world, so that someone’s vanity can be comforted?
    But when he gets to the government .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing? Do you need it ??? Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world? What is being done is not enough ???
    Sometimes you need to turn on the brains, and not become like Western zombies, believing fairy tales ...
    Ugh, disgusting ... request
    1. venaya 10 October 2015 07: 35 New
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      ... Now when he gets to power .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing? Do you need it ??? Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world? What is being done is not enough ???
      .

      You understand, this is precisely what we are afraid of. Another maidan on our head? This snake should not be allowed under any circumstances. But how to do it? Sorry, but this is what you should tell us.
      1. Rurikovich 10 October 2015 08: 25 New
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        You understand, this is precisely what we are afraid of. Another maidan on our head? This snake should not be allowed under any circumstances. But how to do it? Sorry, but this is what you should tell us.

        Maidan ??? Do we have an example at hand ??? In the last election they wanted to arrange a "flower". What happened? No. What is the problem? In your fears ... request
        Suggest how to implement? For this, you need to at least not bother just living (or surviving - who can call it convenient). We have preserved what is left of the USSR, in order to eat, we need to sell what we have. In order to produce this, we do not destroy ties with Russia. Because we stupidly have no gas and oil. And we can only give what we have. To sell, you need to buy. After all, you won’t say that we will take everything from you? No, here you have to travel the world! And what, is our fault in the crisis and in the fact that instead of 5000 MAZs and tractors, only 2000 are bought from us? This is me, for example. Well, there is still salt. The usual dumb market law. If we had oil and giz, we would not have steamed, but it is necessary. We have to be friends with our neighbors in order to survive, and we are still charged with IT, called sitting on two chairs !!!
        Guys, learn economics! Nobody asks you to support us forcibly, but at least do not bother to survive yourself, as it turns out with what we have!
        And then, as soon as it became worse according to the laws of the market for objective reasons, that’s all - regime x ..., Lukashenko is slippery ... Look deep into the problem, and do not look for a black man where he is not there. hi
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          Maidan ??? Do we have an example at hand ??? In the last election they wanted to arrange a "flower". What happened? No. What is the problem? In your fears ... request

          And many who admire "well done Ukrainians threw off their Yanukovych." And discontent in the country is growing. Or do you believe BT stories about "we have no crisis and no devaluation?"
          Quote: Rurikovich
          We have preserved what remains of the USSR

          Again, tales from BT and Belarusian Republican Youth Union, factories from the USSR are completely bent, work 3-4 days, people do not get paid for months. In my city, 5 successful plants were bent in Soviet times. 2 of them were converted into shopping centers.
          Our factories operate on ancient and worn-out Soviet equipment; the “made up production” is done only in words; there are very few modern factories in the country. And money is not invested in production, but in unstoppable ice palaces.
          Quote: Rurikovich
          And what, is our fault in the crisis and in the fact that instead of 5000 MAZs and tractors, only 2000 are bought from us? This is me, for example. Well, there is still salt. The usual dumb market law. If we had oil and giz, we would not have steamed, but it is necessary. We have to be friends with our neighbors in order to survive, and we are still charged with IT, called sitting on two chairs !!!

          Or maybe you need to produce competitive products that they will buy? New MAZs break down already in the first year, the quality of MTZ tractors also fell.
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Guys, learn economics!

          Rurikovich, you yourself would have to learn the economy, and the Belarusian Republican Youth Union about our best world, which has no analogues, is "an unfortunate and aired ekanamiche madeel"
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Nobody asks you to support us forcibly, but at least do not bother to survive yourself, as it turns out with what we have!

          Come on? Our economy is stupidly supported by loans from Russia and sometimes the IMF and the EU. How does Russia prevent us from surviving, low gas prices, deferred loan payments?
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            Dear visitors, I recognize the next Belarusian goppositsioner. It is these who talk about billions of Lukashenko, about the golden toilets in dozens of mansions about Lukashenko’s schizophrenia, about Kolya’s desire to make him president and many other “facts”. These are stupid or greedy people paid or angered by the inability to rob Belarusians. Belarus, we are with you!
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          I always thought, and now I think that all those who roll on Lukashenko are just limited, stupid people. With a great desire to bazaar in public in a pose.
    2. Name 10 October 2015 07: 40 New
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      Emotionally ..., I understand, it’s a shame for the State. But you forgot one RULE- FOR ALL GOOD DO NOT BE! hi
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        Quote: name
        Emotionally ..., I understand, it’s a shame for the State. But you forgot One RULE- FOR ALL GOOD DO NOT BE!
        Answer

        Well ... Of course, it can be hypothetically hypothesized that sooner or later the choice will have to be made. But why speed it up? The time will come, a situation will arise when it will be impossible to stay away - we will do it.
        Or you living on the same street with your neighbors will start running and talking, you, Vasya - g ..., you, Manya, too, but I don’t want to talk to you, I’ll just talk to Tonka, she gives! So? Or can you just not quarrel with anyone, not increase your passion out of the blue, say hello as before to maintain at least a hostile relationship and continue to be friends with those with whom you consider it necessary? Can? Can.
        So why make an elephant out of a fly ??? wink
    3. cormorant 10 October 2015 09: 16 New
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      No need to distort, Rurikovich. Everyone sees everything, and how you Russians are called “Horde” there, and how slowly, but stubbornly, Latin is popularized in your country ... Generations of young Belarusians educated in independent Belarus were literally zombified in terms of “separating” Belarusians from the Russian people and Russia . Everything goes, and methodically and persistently, to the Ukrainian scenario.
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        No need to distort, Rurikovich. Everyone sees everything, and how you Russians are called “Horde” there, and how slowly, but stubbornly, Latin is popularized in your country ... Generations of young Belarusians educated in independent Belarus were literally zombified in terms of “separating” Belarusians from the Russian people and Russia . Everything goes, and methodically and persistently, to the Ukrainian scenario.

        I agree with you sad
      2. Pissarro 10 October 2015 11: 19 New
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        Who writes in Latin in Belarus? Or so, zvezdezh for pumping?
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          Who writes in Latin in Belarus? Or so, zvezdezh for pumping?

          Oppositionists once suggested switching from Cyrillic to Latin
    4. alicante11 10 October 2015 10: 19 New
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      You do not need a visa or anything ... If you want, you’ve arrived, you want to leave. Russian is the second state language! Is this not enough? Why is it so boring ??? BUT????


      Are you sure that this is all the same as “discounts” on energy and covering with a nuclear umbrella? Moreover, the “second state” is only a statement of fact, and what is more, a curve. I think that a lot more Belarusians speak Russian than the Belarusian language. So Russian should be your first de jure, as well as de facto. About cheap energy - I’ll be silent, Russia has always been milked by all allies. Well, about the military cover, ask the Libyans how it feels to be left face to face with NATO. But Father can summon Gaddafi’s spirit to a seance and ask how he liked it when he was tortured by bandits protected by the West.

      But when he gets to the government .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing?


      Well, we get drunk, but you have to ride. Has the example of Ukriana really taught nothing?

      Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world?


      No, everything is simpler here. But father can scream as much as he wants to the whole world about his independence. The main thing is to give "our" oligarchs the most tidbits of industry. But he does not want to do this. For which he respect and respect. True, I am afraid that he will not protrizor this “haystack” anyway. You have to pay for everything, Murmurych understood this too literally, that it’s enough to buy a treasury and finance the campaign of Sracozy. For which he suffered, But father goes in his footsteps.
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        I think that a lot more Belarusians speak Russian than the Belarusian language.

        Most of our Russophobes speak Russian, however, like Ukrainian.
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          Most of our Russophobes speak Russian, however, like Ukrainian.


          Yes, that’s not the question. Just the separation of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine is a crime, the separation of one people. And it would be quite logical to say that if we are brothers-relatives, then let's erase the borders and live together, correct the consequences of this crime. It would be if the oligarchs did not rule in Russia, so I can’t call on the Belarusian brother to undergo oligarchic robbery with me. It’s easier with the Ukrainians here, they were already robbing their oligarchs, so it’s better to live together. And in Belarus, state capitalism, you are more fortunate with the leader. But Father is not suited to sweat the GDP like a politician, but he is the boss in his country, not the "slave in the galleys" of the oligarchs and good enough in politics so that I regret that Russia is not governed by the Father or, even better, Murmurych Gaddafi.
          1. 0255 10 October 2015 14: 16 New
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            alicante11 come to us for permanent residence, and you will be convinced that not everything is as beautiful as it seems to you in Russia. Then you will bite your elbows with frustration
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              alicante11 come to us for permanent residence, and you will be convinced that not everything is as beautiful as it seems to you in Russia. Then you will bite your elbows with frustration


              Capitalism, it is capitalism everywhere, even state. For a simple person, nothing good can be given.
    5. Olezhek 10 October 2015 19: 18 New
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      A new “analyst” appeared, with only his correct opinion! “Belarus has ONLY two ways”.

      Yes, I am like this ! hatch out !!

      Almost 20 years is carried out (it is EXACTLY done, NOT DECLARATED), the allied policy of rapprochement, ties are not broken, the boundaries are practically NO! Because not only are we doing as part of rapprochement.


      Colleague - heartily greet the cat with your avatar.
      Do you know what a friendly zone is ??
      Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm unfair, but my relations with Belarus remind me of exactly this - the friendly zone ... A more primitive and stupid model - the "nipple system"
      You see, Belarus is satisfied with that, yes. The problem is that it does not suit Russia.

      What is wrong with the fact that the country, in accordance with its laws and the principles laid down in the Constitution, does not bargain with its neighbors, but conducts a peace-loving policy towards all?


      Sorry - colleague YOU inattentively read my little article. Russia fought a lot inside and
      now -in the country.
      And Lukashenko is great !! He made this blood and dirt fly past Belarus!
      Here is a dirty, podskantstsionnaya with Kalashnikov at the ready and with a bandaged head Russia
      And there is a peace-loving Belarus, which no one barks ...

      You live in safety created by the very Russian soldiers who died in Chechnya ..
      And be proud that your hands are clean from both blood and dirt ..
      Will you forgive Switzerland ??? Someone recognized your sovereignty ??
      There is a war. Across the planet.
      And it so happened that you are not fighting on the side of Russia. So it goes.

      We have long since chosen, and instead of faith, trepatne the yellow press and all sorts of "analysts" judge by deeds! If anything, people will go shoulder to shoulder with Russia


      Yu Ossetia, Chechnya, Donbass, Syria ...
      Forgive me - WHERE the Belarusian people "went shoulder to shoulder?
      Then I was offered to drink brandy together, I suggest you fight together.
      Russia is in a position to fight terrorists and other ..
      We are not useful .. allies who do not want to quarrel with anyone.

      That's when some government will get to power .... and it will close the border, begin to drive out the Russians and select companies that you will sing? Do you need this ???


      We do not care.
      Already do not care.
      Losing your head in the hair do not cry ..
      Russia got involved in a big war .. and in the Donbas and in Syria and complexes about Minsk ..
  7. kugelblitz 10 October 2015 07: 49 New
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    Nevertheless, Old Man must stop doing political prostitution, or-or ... Well, about

    “Russia has no money, no brains”

    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1952292.html

    It's time to answer for the bazaar

  8. Mentor 10 October 2015 07: 56 New
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    I will be calm, although I support a colleague Rurikovich. The author of the article was not in Belarus. All his data is from the Internet, where the opposition is unhappy with the lack of cookies. People of a mature age living without Russia, or in confrontation with Russia, do not represent at all.
    PS Author! Come to us, and not to Minsk, but to the province. We’ll sit, we’ll drink cognac, we’ll talk about life.
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      Quote: Mentor
      I will be calm, although I support a colleague Rurikovich. The author of the article was not in Belarus. All his data is from the Internet, where the opposition is unhappy with the lack of cookies.

      I live in Belarus, and I agree with the author. And you don’t need to drop the Internet from accounts, almost everyone has computers today.
      Quote: Mentor
      People of a mature age living without Russia, or in confrontation with Russia, do not represent at all.

      Not all Belarusians are for Russia, there are those who look to the west.
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        Not all Belarusians are for Russia, there are those who look to the west.

        Well then, it's a matter of time unfortunately ... recourse Belarus is waiting for the fate of Ukraine, and maybe even worse.
    2. Anatole 10 October 2015 11: 13 New
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      Guys agree, only the guys born after 1980 became the main driving force in Ukraine, I do not exclude everyone else, but this group was critical and most effective. Which found not only metamorphoses of the information field but also educational. So you can arbitrarily “old guard” born in one big country, drink well-deserved and friendly brandy, young and sleek will sweep away and do not hint.
      A lot of relatives in Ukraine and Belarus, brothers, aunts, etc., for me one space, one people, but the information war does not have a separator, and affects everyone and everything. Among their relatives, they took it as an axiom not to discuss politics and remember that the main thing is family and family values, and it does not matter how many time zones and invisible borders are scattered. Yours faithfully hi
  9. andrejwz 10 October 2015 08: 00 New
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    This, of course, is a difficult topic - relations between Russia and Belarus. Very difficult. About how relations between Russia and Ukraine ten years ago.

    Aren't you tired? Just like a jealousy with a lover. At first, endless jealousy and demands to devote all of himself to him without a trace, and when I got out and what I was afraid of - she decided to leave - it happened, cries: I always knew that you were a whore.
  10. Arkan 10 October 2015 08: 19 New
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    After all, in a democratic paradise, they were waiting for the democratic gurus.


    The gurus from a shitty paradise will be something like this.

    Fatherland fellow countrymen should think, but do they need it?
    1. m262 10 October 2015 11: 52 New
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      You tie with a booze in the morning, and you don’t need to teach us what kind of houri there are, a colleague Rurikovich has already popularly explained what multi-vector is. In 2008, there were precedents: Medvedev suggested recognizing Ossetia and Abkhazia, Lukashenko said that Belarus would have REAL problems with the West (sanctions, bans on supplies, etc.) and we would need Russia's support, what did Medvedev answer ??? We play in the place, and the tablets apart?
      1. Arkan 10 October 2015 13: 39 New
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        Your neighbors in Ukraine have experienced the association with the EU. In the eyes of Europe, you probably think that something is different from them? Something is not clear to you in Belarus and you think that the Americans perceive your multi-vector approach differently than we do in Russia?
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        Medvedev suggested recognizing Ossetia and Abkhazia, Lukashenko said that Belarus would begin with REAL problems with the West (sanctions, prohibitions on supplies, etc.) and we would need support from Russia, what did Medvedev say ??


        That's right - this is the point from which the attitude towards Belarus has changed dramatically
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    No one except the Russians of Russia will be either an ally or an assistant NEVER ...
    Only Russia itself assistant and intercessor ....
    That's when Russia gets stronger, becomes a really strong country, only then all these pseudo-independent Poland, Ukraine, Belarusians, etc. they will really begin to become our allies, but for now they are only rushing around trying to guess who will eventually become stronger and to whom to go six. The law of power, only he always worked ...
  12. akudr48 10 October 2015 08: 27 New
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    It is sad to talk about this, Belarus had exactly two strategic development options. The first is full reintegration with Russia. The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine in one way or another.

    I believe the author is right about two options. There are no other options for a multi-vector policy (as Ukraine tried) in the present conditions for Belarus. Although Belarusians are not UKRs, they have never been traitors.

    And why, in fact, is such truth sad and for whom? For Russians, this truth is the only truth, a joyful truth, because if Russians and Ukrainians are one people (as the President says), then Russians and Belarusians are all the more so.
    Belarusians have a more complicated situation. Communist power endowed them with the state within the USSR, and with the fall of the Union a desire arose (supported by Poland and the West) to completely abandon now Russia. especially when they saw Yeltsin’s Russia.

    Old Man is a powerful leader, and he could, as President, lead the united country of Russia with reunited Belarus. But Moscow beneficiaries from the collapse of the USSR will not allow him to do this.

    Therefore, the Old Man and his elites maneuver between Russia and not even the West, but Poland, maneuver, maneuver and can maneuver, like the U.K.r.
    Therefore, the question is whether Russians in the format of Belarusians will be able to unite with Russians in the format of Russians in a single and indivisible Russia.
    Russians in Russia will answer, yes. But how the Belarusians will answer is not known. This is the difficulty.

    And further. The author writes in a strange way in Russian, “Belarus,” and not Belarus, as correctly. Immediately gives an advance to the Square and consent to it. It is necessary to respect yourself and the Russian language.

    I recall how the Balts forced the late USSR to write something like “Talliininnn” instead of “Tallinn,” because it seemed to them that it would be right to respect proud Estonians. But they did not respect.
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      And further. The author writes in a strange way in Russian, “Belarus,” and not Belarus, as correctly. Immediately gives an advance to the Square and consent to it. It is necessary to respect yourself and the Russian language.


      Met and one other option. There is a tractor like that ...
  13. valokordin 10 October 2015 08: 34 New
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    Lukashenka’s interests and the interests of the Russian oligarchs do not coincide, so disagreements arise. Old Man is furious when he learns about the intention of Russian banking and economic sharks to gobble up the Belarusian economy. Therefore, his impulsive antics seem anti-Russian. The main thing here is that it contradicts the communist education of the Belarusian president, his spirit, and not the desire to sit on 2 chairs. It is a pity, of course, that his Fanfaron escapades annoy not only the leadership of Russia, but also the Russians themselves.
    1. noWAR 10 October 2015 09: 08 New
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      valokordin (4)

      You are right, dear. And such as the author of the article am all the time they want everyone under one comb and drive one frame.
    2. Olezhek 10 October 2015 19: 26 New
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      The Old Man becomes fierce when he learns about the intention of the Russian banking and economic sharks to devour the Belarusian economy. Therefore, his impulsive antics seem anti-Russian.


      Guys, I explain it popularly - can you imagine the state and level of the Russian economy?
      So they wanted to upgrade the Belarusian one and integrate it into the Russian one.
      Old Man naturally repulsed.
      We are not interested in endlessly sponsoring his megaproject “Socialism with a Belarusian face”.
      The problem is that the Belarusian economy is not self-sufficient.
  14. da Vinci 10 October 2015 09: 05 New
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    The Putin-Medvedev tandem is certainly not a gift and evokes complex feelings, but a father with a young heir is something. Pure BNDR laughing
  15. Mentor 10 October 2015 09: 30 New
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    Quote: da Vinci
    The Putin-Medvedev tandem is certainly not a gift and evokes complex feelings, but a father with a young heir is something. Pure BNDR laughing

    Dont be upset. Twenty years later, Nicholas III is crowned in the Church of St. Basil the Blessed, as emperor of the Union Empire. For this, AHL carries it around with him. Teaches the future emperor.
  16. Nymp 10 October 2015 09: 48 New
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    Now is the time to clearly state your position. Either you are Euro-Maidan (why does Russia need such a “friend”?), Or are you for reuniting with Russia! Standing aside, the state is tightly economically attached to Russia, will not work. Brothers of Belarus should not be offended by reality. Well, really, you won’t begin to watch as strangers beat your close relative? I mean the everyday situation. The same thing in politics, the peak situation is brewing, and there is no time for strife.
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    Quote: Nymp
    Now is the time to clearly state your position. Either you are Euro-Maidan (why does Russia need such a “friend”?), Or are you for reuniting with Russia! Standing aside, a tightly economic state tied to Russia, will not work. Brothers of Belarus should not be offended by reality. Well, first of all, you will not begin to watch the side as strangers beat your close relative? I mean the everyday situation. The same thing in politics, the peak situation is brewing, and there is no time for strife.

    If there were no contradictions between socialism and bourgeoisism, this conflict would not exist
    1. Nymp 10 October 2015 10: 29 New
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      You want to say that we have a different political system with Belarus? I don’t know if theirs can be called socialism. But as the author of the article said, initially Belarus had only two choices (we exclude two fantastic ones, we leave the real ones) and further describes which ones. Do you agree with the author?
  18. Stranger 10 October 2015 11: 01 New
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    It is impossible to let it drift. Russia is obliged to increase political influence and keep Belarus from (Euro-values). Old Man is better (gunpowder).
  19. onix757 10 October 2015 11: 11 New
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    Old Man well done! And the state is socially oriented and is building industry. And the fact that “pulls” a little from Russia is a sin not to take this opportunity. They do not pump oil. It is still necessary to figure out who needs whom more and who is more useful to whom. Without the Belarusian electronics and mechanical engineering, the Russian military-industrial complex would not have survived under the conditions of sanctions, and without a friendly army on the western borders Russia has nothing to oppose to the Western "partners" .. well, except for two divisions. Therefore, dad, I need to say thank you for providing our military-industrial complex with an electronic component base and engineering products. And the fact that industry does not allow us to tear apart our oligarch thieves, it only means that he loves his country and his people.
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      And you, too, move to us for permanent residence, you will see that everything is not so beautiful with us
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    Well, what a habit for hamsters to minus without explaining the reasons. Are the arguments over?
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  22. Tjeck 10 October 2015 11: 51 New
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    an article from the category (philosophy in the kitchen), but the stench was spread ... strange people here, however, before writing on behalf of the Russian state, at least look at the integration of Russia / Belarus and compare it with any other country.

    although the main question I have for the author is what is the purpose of this article? the author has only two options))
    1.) he is really not far off and did not think about the consequences
    2.) the next provocateur koi already tried to make noise in 2010 - it turned out not beautifully ..

    I just don’t understand, even if the article was written for the purpose of provocation, the opposition (red and white) is insignificant, in the near future the Nuland cookies will definitely not help. Well, to the Old Man I have no claims. so I'm leaning towards the first option.
    1. onix757 10 October 2015 11: 56 New
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      Sorry, but what kind of layer is between the red and white? I will not give a chance with his "high" rating and the edrom headed by him?
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        if the memory does not change between red and white there is a red horse laughing I'm not talking about the Christian Christian army and the White Guards, I had in mind the signature of the opposition ..
  23. Mentor 10 October 2015 12: 03 New
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    Well, what a habit for hamsters to minus without explaining the reasons. Are the arguments over?

    Well, what arguments can opponents of independent Belarus have? On the one hand, it’s indecent to sing along to Lukashenka’s opponents, all the more so for those who program, hmmm, it only causes laughter. "Abroad will help us!" - the immortal words of Ostap Bender still caress the ears of liberals of all stripes and nationalities. On the other hand, Belarus must necessarily become part of Russia, for, so right! These Urya patriots do not recognize the independence of the republic, and there is no way to think carefully. Both Putin and Lukashenko need Switzerland, not completely, of course, but for the most part. The Russian president needs a place where you can meet with your opponents, and in a fairly comfortable environment by the host. The Belarusian is quite enough trade preferences, and a sense of their importance. And the Russian military also takes into account the flying time, which the Republic of Belarus increases for them. Independent Belarus needs Russia more than the North-West Federal District. You can always blame a couple of little things on the unpredictable nature of the Belarusian president wink
    1. onix757 10 October 2015 12: 26 New
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      Both Putin and Lukashenko need Switzerland, not completely, of course, but for the most part. The Russian president needs a place where you can meet with your opponents, and in a fairly comfortable environment by the host. The Belarusian is quite enough trade preferences, and feelings of their importance

      Switzerland is more necessary for our powerful. The AHL is already well aware of the value of its country both for the West and for Russia, and therefore it is possible for him to sit on the priest evenly and select advantageous offers. Unacceptably different, the inhabitants of the Kremlin do not know how to talk with Belarus on an equal footing. The whole conversation comes down to the formula "do not give-it is nonsense." It is clear that such a situation will begin to oppress anyone.
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      On the other hand, Belarus must necessarily become part of Russia, for, so right! Independence of the republic, these urya-patriots do not recognize at all, and not to think carefully


      Guys - no longer. That is - a fork. Or with us or with Europe. So it goes. Belarus Stalin included in the UN with the fact that it’s like to have your own person from a kind of independent state.
      Lukashenko went further. He pursues a fully independent foreign policy.
      Understand - it is ALREADY uninteresting to us.
      Everything - the transition period is over.
      No one in the world finances an independent state. This is absurd.
      Old Man wants 1 to have a fully independent policy
      2 Live on Russian subsidies.
      It does not happen.
  24. Belarus 10 October 2015 12: 36 New
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    I stand for close relations with the Russian Federation. Just for one simple reason: no one will help us except the Russian Federation.Does anyone think that Europe needs our products ??? Is Europe open to us its markets ??? Yes, in general, what can Europe give us besides loans on its terms.
    Remember what you said about the integration of the AHL: we will go as far as the Russian Federation wants it. And as soon as the Russian Federation proposed to go further and deeper, our leadership immediately started talking that the Russian Federation wants a lot.We simply simply do not know how to negotiate, but only blah blah blah.
    Yes, it would be possible to blame something on the leadership of the Russian Federation or the Republic of Belarus - but the presidents met repeatedly in person. Was it really impossible to solve this or that issue ???
    Everyone has heard the question of the air base of the Russian Federation in Baranovichi. If we come from the media of the Republic of Belarus, it turns out that the GDP and the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation had no idea that we should talk about this with our president, but they themselves wanted to open this base.
    Personally, it’s hard for me to look at this whole situation when they can’t agree and constantly drive away the idea that we can get into a fuss.
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      I stand for close relations with the Russian Federation. Just for one simple reason: no one will help us except the Russian Federation. Does anyone really think that Europe needs our goods ??? Is Europe open to us its markets ??? Yes, in general, what can Europe give us besides loans on its terms.

      If there are a majority of such people in Belarus and it is not passive, then no Maidans are afraid of it! good
  25. Evgeniy30 10 October 2015 12: 37 New
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    The idea of ​​the base is entirely yours. Lukashenko asked 2 fighters 20 years ago. Putin did not. Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter. There will be the remaining 10 without the help of Russia. In light of the foregoing:
    1. There are equipped airfields
    2. There are trained pilots
    3. There are fighters
    AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.
    Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election? Bravo Russia! This is an ally! Before each election, either the Godfather, then the slops in your media, then the St. Petersburg and Moscow revolutionaries go to organize our Square, along the way, grabbing cars from Smolensk with a metal bar to beat our policemen. Bravo again! You will always have allies.

    I don’t know who sent whom with rods to you, but what does Russia have to do with it? You do not know that some liberal Belarusian Natsiks also took someone to Bolotnaya and other squares? Have you ever wondered who is hysterical about the Russian-Belarusian brotherhood? Are there liberals on both sides? In the Belarusian mass media, too, slops are often sent to Russia, some people rewrite history, inventing “Russian-Belarusian wars”.
    I read here the “srach” of Russians and Belarusians and it’s disgusting at heart. Friends, let's still not be fooled by provocations and attempts to push us and quarrel? The Ukrainian Bandera Nazis brought to power have already gained enmity. The propaganda of banderosmi has already so zombied Ukrainians with their brains that it is already scary. But it all started with timid statements, and rare trial Anthurus articles.
    Who gave what fighters, or didn’t give, whether there was talk about the base and who agreed with whom, why the politicians on the sidelines say we don’t know, but we judge by media reports, bloggers, and other informational stuffing. Let's put aside emotions and mutual insults. We have nothing to share!
  26. Tambov Wolf 10 October 2015 12: 53 New
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    Once inactive p.r.so.sr.a.l. and Ukraine, now inactive again. Where is the work of the ambassador and his gang of loafers? Where is our propaganda and agitation? Where is the work with Father, so as not to spin like horseradish skin? Where is the work with the "opposition" in Belarus? Where is the pushing through of the installation of our military bases? Then again we will look and yell at different "maidans" - let us know who is to blame?
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      (!!!!!)

      In short - WHERE-EEE-EEE ??? laughing

      Wolf, Tambovsky .. where is the construct? Some screams .. incoherent negative
      1. Tambov Wolf 10 October 2015 15: 00 New
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        Yes, if those who need to do this, chase the bulldo, what do we do, how not to yell. Age, then, three Mondays left. Maybe they will heed the screams, saboteurs.
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    And again the Russians are to blame

    Not Russians . and the "liberal" Russian government
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    All these disputes are absolutely stupid at the moment, as a resident of Minsk, I’ll say that the Belarusian industry is a myth. And the disputes here are stupid, even the most ardent Russophobes, what Russophobes are there, the Poles admit it.
    But I still consider Lukashenko
    Fortunately for Russia, it is like a brake on the development of Belarus. With another, smarter, it would probably have been a chance to go west, now, no. Or very worthless consequences. Although he, Lukashenko is doing everything to go west, he sincerely wants it.
    In other words, the plants will be in Minsk, the construction site is already standing.
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      With a friend, smarter, perhaps it would have been a chance to go west


      Lithuania as be gone ...
  29. Olezhek 10 October 2015 19: 45 New
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    Thanks to all members of the forum for giving their opinion! good
    It was interesting! Special thanks to Belarusians.
    Personal thanks to the author - "Do not worry, father" Alexei Volodin.
    We must meet more often! drinks
  30. gammipapa 10 October 2015 21: 11 New
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    What is the point here for us to find out who is senior here and who is smarter or more cunning?
    Several years ago, at a company, we somehow got together and discussed politics, and how is it that everything is not humanly like us, that people became cunning, each for himself and striving to deceive his neighbor. One more intelligent and wise comrade listened for a long time and then said how he snapped -But forgive, it’s all our people, we are there, we don’t have other people, but we ourselves are to blame for everything. do you want to find? A lot of time has passed, but it was remembered.

    Is it the same with Belarusians, are they bad? Yes, no worse than us and, more precisely, that is what we are. I’ll say more, and Ukrainians will also now jump in their faces, wrinkling their eyes and seeing when there is nothing to eat.