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Minsk disagreements

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This is undoubtedly a difficult topic - relations between Russia and Belarus. Very difficult. Approximately as the relations of Russia and Ukraine about ten years ago. However, in my opinion, it is necessary to dot the i. Simply put everything on the shelves. Numerous comments from a wide variety of Belarusians in the Russian media prompted me to write this short note. Often there was a lot of resentment and emotion.


Insulting each other, and even more insulting - is very unconstructive. Hush up the problem is also not entirely correct. I wanted to determine the Russian position on this issue as clearly as possible. Oddly enough, for some reason, it remains a mystery to many in Belarus.

First of all, I wanted to answer about the “imperial ambitions” of Russia. We do not live in the XVII century. There was a time when in Europe there were many different in size and influence of states. They entered into alliances, feuded, fought. But we live here and now. Where is the former great Austria (or rather, what is left of it) on a call from Washington forcibly lands and searches the plane of the President of Bolivia.

Times have changed, now is not the XVIII century and not XIV. It is sad, but that Europe will not be returned. By the way, even in that “happy Europe” of the era of the plague or inquisition, the independence of the countries was very relative. The big countries influenced the smaller, stronger ones to dictate their policies to the weaker ones. Big fish eat small ones. Such is the classic situation.

I understand, it sounds quite cynical and unpleasant. Everyone wants to that “civilized Europe”, where human rights are respected and even the smallest and dubious country (like Estonia) has the same voting right as Germany. I understand - everyone wants a bright fairy tale. Alas, it is impossible. Neighboring Poland with Belarus, which Ukrainians love to cite as an example, sent soldiers to another's war in Iraq. The Americans ordered them, and they went to die and kill in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Are you surprised? And yet it is. Poland has not and cannot have interests in the Mosul region. In the area of ​​Kabul, the Poles, too, could not have interests. However, Polish soldiers were dying in Afghanistan. By order of the Americans. Without question. They traveled to distant Asia and died there. And no one was indignant. They were happy to die for America. After all, in the democratic paradise the democratic gurias were waiting for them.

A little known fact - the Ukrainians participated in the occupation of Iraq. And they also died there in the name of America. And not a single curse in the imperial ambitions was uttered. For the Poles, as well as for the Ukrainians, America is God. And Obama is His prophet. Can you imagine how Belarusians with songs and dances go to the first Chechen? On the second? I understand the question is unpleasant. But I am just drawing analogies (USA - Poland and Russia - Belarus).

You can often find the statement that the United States does not allow itself sharp statements about Poland. It may be so, but the United States does not supply cheap gas, cheap oil to Poland, the Poles may die for the United States, but they need a visa to enter it. Are these friends - "second-class" or third? No, the third is Germany. The United States does not sponsor the Polish economy in any way, but Polish politicians do not pray for them.

These are the relations between “independent” Poland and the United States. The situation with Lithuania - USA is even worse. You just want to cry. What is independence? But everyone is happy with everything. No one is indignant. Lithuanian soldiers are also going where the US will order them. And they die there with a smile on their lips. Did I say something new to someone? All I'm saying is a collection of platitudes. But now the President of Belarus and the entire Belarusian people want some kind of special relationship with Russia. Those that no one else has.

Where one side is obliged and obliged, and the other saintly keeps its independence. No matter how sad it is to talk about it - Belarus had exactly two strategic options for development. The first is a complete reintegration with Russia. In economics, politics, military. That is, Belarus as part of "Big Russia". The standard of living in the end is about as in the Moscow region. Belarus is extremely well located geographically (between Russia and Europe).

The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine in one sequence or another. You see, there are only two options. They are not three, not five and not ten. There is no "fan of opportunities." He was not there. Next come the fantastic options. Too two.

Option Lukashenko: Russia fully supports, protects and finances its exotic public education. At the same time, he does not even try to get inside Belarus, either economically or politically. The West, as we know, is actively promoting its interests.

Option opposition: Belarus in some fantastic way should jump on the steps of “Euroexpress”. At the same time, Russia continues to support, finance and subsidize the openly unprofitable Belarusian economy. At the same time, the radiant West is pouring its billions into building democracy.

It is best to start from the real picture of the world. Facts and logic help much better than emotions and comics. And yes, without the Belarusian partisans, we would not have won.
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  1. 79807420129
    79807420129 10 October 2015 06: 35 New
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    The author asks whether Belarusians will die for us? Ordinary Belarusians may or may not, like the Russians, if something happens. But the father, their weathervane, in Russia says one thing, he comes home completely different, Yanuk also wanted to sit on 2 chairs, but failed , By the way, Europe wants to remove sanctions from the Old Man, so the Maidan is brewing again.
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 06: 59 New
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      Old Man, too, sometimes tries. To sit.
      1. Skif83
        Skif83 10 October 2015 08: 55 New
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        Old Man is far from an angel, I do not protect him in any way, quite the contrary lately, but who is without sin.
        Well, remember the recent history of Russia, how many of its allies surrendered humpback, and Eltsin?
        Therefore, not everything is so simple. It is necessary to strengthen your country, and Old Man will see a strong Russia, will not go anywhere, will come to us.
        And about this one:
        Poland does not and cannot have interests in the Mosul area. In the Kabul region, the Poles could not have interests either. However, Polish soldiers were dying in Afghanistan.

        So this is an old trick, not like a crusade?
        Then, too, young and violent were sent under great slogans to conquer to conquer hell knows what.
        The tasks were and remain the same, to reduce the number of violent in their states, to enable them to rob the little things, and to take part in a large robbery.
        Nothing new!
        1. Good me
          Good me 10 October 2015 10: 31 New
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          Quote: Skif83
          Therefore, not everything is so simple. It is necessary to strengthen your country, and Old Man will see a strong Russia, will not go anywhere, will come to us.


          Сомнительно ,ваше утверждение. Выходит, Янукович(масса не хороших слов), "не видел сильной России", напрашиваясь на западные печеньки ? И "прозрел",лишь в тот момент,когда пришлось драпать ?

          Однозначно,Лукашенко, "довихляется бёдрами",до того, что кто-то придёт с "хитрым винтом".

          И нашу задачу, вижу чтоб оказаться этим "кто-то",придя вовремя, не опоздав, как в случае с Украиной...
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 10: 39 New
            +3
            But I completely agree with you. Yes Old Man is smarter than Yanyka, since he doesn’t allow to rub. And the Soviet legacy is poorly watching. But wagging from side to side is not comme il faut. Here recently I tried to make friends with Petka. Maybe the game ........
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 11 October 2015 08: 52 New
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            Quote: Good Me
            Однозначно,Лукашенко, "довихляется бёдрами",до того, что кто-то придёт с "хитрым винтом".

            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            recently tried to make friends with a pet. Maybe the game ........

            We need to build our policies so that the influence of individuals is minimal.
            Pragmatism, however.
            Dad dad? The same end to him in the same place. Mostly financial and trading.
            But at the same time, of course, you need to understand each specific ...
            For the number of politicians and businessmen’s gundaras in the Russian Federation is also not small. yes
            But Lukashenko, despite his sometimes contradictory and stupid, chatter still maintains a true general line.
    2. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 10 October 2015 08: 57 New
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      Minus.

      Bad article. The author pretends that he tries to understand the question, puts pressure on sore points and does not offer anything. Or a provocateur, or this topic is too tough for him, not grown up.
      1. Horly
        Horly 10 October 2015 09: 29 New
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        And the last phrase betrays the whole philosophy of the actor - it’s not for him to judge from the sofa the role of people who gave their lives for the Victory. By the way, like the Ukrainians, Georgians, Uzbeks and other peoples who inhabited the USSR who fought in the Soviet Army. And the root of the reason for this behavior of Belarus should be sought here in Russia, where officials are ready to rob their people to the skin, and the electorate enthusiastically welcomes the idiotic laws of the Duma! So Old Man protects his people from the prince-oligarchs from the East and the Teutonic predators from the West! While the ideology of the Golden Calf and consumerism rules the ball in Russia, we will observe such an attitude from our neighbors, and the media will rub what they are!
        1. Temples
          Temples 10 October 2015 11: 36 New
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          and the electorate enthusiastically welcomes the idiotic laws of the Duma!

          Did you probably want to write ELECTORATE?
          And in between, the people of the country were called idiots.
          After all, people welcome idiotic laws. You write like that.

          And the root of the reason for this behavior of Belarus must be sought here in Russia

          And again the Russians are to blame wassat

          So the Old Man protects his people from the prince-oligarchs from the East

          And again the Russians are coming wassat

          and the media will rub, what bastards they are!

          Это ВЫ "втираете", что в России все плохо.
        2. go21zd45few
          go21zd45few 10 October 2015 12: 10 New
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          To say that we would have won without the partisans is the stupidity of the author and not knowledge
          history of the Second World War. Indeed, all the nationalities of the peoples of the USSR fought in partisan detachments throughout the occupied territory of the USSR. The partisan movement made a huge contribution to the victory over fascism. Yes, we could have won without partisans,
          but at what cost and at what time. Not a bad people, there are bad rulers. Lukashenko belongs to one of them.
          1. tupolev-95
            tupolev-95 10 October 2015 13: 38 New
            +2
            And where is the author claiming this? Read carefully.
        3. Olezhek
          10 October 2015 18: 30 New
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          And the root cause of this behavior of Belarus should be sought here in Russia, where officials are ready to take their people to the last
          So the Old Man protects his people from the oligarchs from the East and the Teutonic predators from the West!


          Понимаете - в нарисованной Вами "картине маслом" - Беларуси просто не выжить...
      2. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 09: 31 New
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        I agree. Let it be better engaged in school essays or preparing to pass the exam.

        Author: The standard of living in the end is approximately the same as in the Moscow region

        As long as Belarus will be independent, the standard of living of its population will not exceed the Russian one. Objectively, the collapse of the USSR was useful for the Russian Federation: the heavy burden of the socialist camp was dropped, and then the Soviet republics. Zp in Belarus is lower, labor costs are lower, as a result, products are much cheaper. If a reunion with the Russian Federation follows, then competitiveness will sharply decrease and production will eventually rise. Belarus does not need this. Yes, and the Russian Federation too: it is more profitable to buy cheaper goods and lower cost products for the needs of the military-industrial complex. Therefore, Belarus will always be independent. wink

        Belarus had exactly two strategic options for development. The first is a complete reintegration with Russia. The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine

        More precisely and without pathos, the 2 option is: 1) industrial cooperation with the Russian Federation (trucks, tractors, chassis, electronics), supply of agricultural products (which we already see); 2) rupture of cooperative ties with the Russian Federation, the death of the industry with high surplus products, supplies to Russia (and who still needs it?) Agricultural products (which we observe in the example of Ukraine).

        Russia continues to support, finance and subsidize the blatantly unprofitable Belarusian economy

        In the long run, subsidies in the form of energy discounts should be viewed as a surcharge for the MIC products purchased by the Russian Federation from Belarus. And even with this increase, the cost of this product is beneficial for Russia. So this unprofitable economy can not be called.

        The United States does not sponsor the Polish economy

        But they sponsor the Polish political elite. We should not forget about the construction associated with the deployment of NATO infrastructure: it is a kind of multiplier for the Polish economy, attracting funds, resources, workers, updating the transport network.
        1. Temples
          Temples 10 October 2015 11: 42 New
          +1
          Еще один "стратег"
          Objectively, the collapse of the USSR turned out to be useful for the Russian Federation: the heavy burden of the social camp, and then the Union republics, was dropped.

          Смотри кино и слушай внимательно что люди "временно царствующим" говорят:
          "Ты что, сукин сын, самозванец, казенные земли разбазариваешь?! Так никаких волостей не напасешься."
          1. Eugene-Eugene
            Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 12: 17 New
            +1
            There is such a thing as a sphere of influence.
            1. Temples
              Temples 10 October 2015 12: 45 New
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              There is also the northern lights!

              And a huge number of scientific concepts and natural phenomena!

              And if in essence - to break, not to build !!!
              Вы господа сначала постройте государство! А уж затем "сбрасывайте" части этого государства.

              Also looking for economic feasibility!

              You need to go out to break your leg, and then amputate it, justifying the amputation of the developed gangrene! As a result, amputation saves the patient's life!
              Answer FUCK ??? (why) did you break your leg?

              And here is not a leg! Here my people, here is our country, here the lives of our ancestors are given for the integrity of this country.
              Turn on the head of the gentlemen !!!
              Millions of relatives live in both countries. And throughout the former Russian Empire.
              All this was taken and torn overnight by obscurantists for the sake of reigning in their own lands.
              1. Olezhek
                10 October 2015 18: 44 New
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                Millions of relatives live in both countries. And throughout the former Russian Empire.
                All this was taken and torn overnight by obscurantists for the sake of reigning in their own lands.


                Well, if Ramzan Kadyrov is the standard of the Patriot of Russia (I am serious yes ) - then Mr. Lukashenko worse than ??
                But Russia is not interested in an independent, multi-vector, flowing to the West Belarus.
        2. Olezhek
          10 October 2015 18: 33 New
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          I agree. Let it be better engaged in school essays or preparing to pass the exam.

          There will be time - I will definitely do it! wink

          If a reunion with the Russian Federation follows, then competitiveness will sharply decrease and production will eventually rise. Belarus does not need this. Yes, and the Russian Federation too: it is more profitable to buy cheaper goods and lower cost products for the needs of the military industrial complex


          It would all be great, if indeed it were. The problem is that Russia is forced to subsidize the categorically inefficient and unprofitable Belarusian economy.

          1) industrial cooperation with the Russian Federation (trucks, tractors, chassis, electronics), supply of agricultural products (which we are already seeing); 2) rupture of cooperative ties with the Russian Federation, the death of the industry with high surplus products,


          You see, if you look at the news, you will agree: times are tough now. and industrial cooperation with a country with an incomprehensible political vector is dangerous.
          Before my eyes is the example of Ukraine. Disruption of engine supplies is a heavy blow to the Russian military-industrial complex. More we do not play such games. Sorry.

          Subsidies in the form of discounts on energy by and large should be considered as a surcharge for the MIC products


          Earlier you wrote - how profitable it is to buy cheap Belarusian goods to Russia.

          But they sponsor the Polish political elite. We should not forget about the construction associated with the deployment of NATO infrastructure: it is a kind of multiplier for the Polish economy, attracting funds, resources, workers, updating the transport network


          You understand - many thanks for such a direct and detailed commentary from Sineok.
          Thank. The position is clear.
          The answer is: for the last 22 of the year, we are Russians absolutely tired of the fact that the inhabitants of Eastern Europe treat us as second-rate people, and Americans and Europeans, as gods and heroes
          Sorry - we are tired of it.

          The base - NATO in Poland - is a growth multiplier and the Poles are happy, the base of the Russian Federation in Belarus is a threat to the Belarusians - and But father excuses ..
          Such are the double standards ...
      3. tolian
        tolian 10 October 2015 13: 32 New
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        Yes, a slender article. Such a small drop of poison in a relationship. So it began on the outskirts. And then the grandchildren of Bandera got out. Note that there is nothing incomprehensible in the personal relationship between Putin and Lukashenko. Everything is quiet. They understand each other like presidents. Blather only custom-made.
        1. Olezhek
          10 October 2015 18: 49 New
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          Yes, an article with a thin sight. Such a small drop of poison in a relationship. So began on the outskirts. And then the grandchildren of Bandera got out.


          And then !!! am I sit, flashing YAD, I recount the three pieces of silver from McCain ...

          Note that there is nothing incomprehensible in the personal relationship between Putin and Lukashenka.


          I have been interested in politics for a long time (there is such a disease)
          Так вот Ельцин ещё мог "дружить" с Лукашенко
          Yeltsin closed his eyes to many things.
          The pragmatic, unemotional, Putin and Lukashenko immediately started having problems.
      4. Olezhek
        10 October 2015 18: 29 New
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        Bad article. The author pretends that he tries to understand the question, puts pressure on sore points and does not offer anything. Or a provocateur, or this topic is too tough for him, not grown up.


        I kind of denote the problem.
        "Ботаник не должен полоть сорняки. Он вычислит скорость их роста, и с него довольно". С.Паркинсон

        Call me a nerd ...
    3. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 10 October 2015 09: 23 New
      -18
      Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 10 October 2015 09: 33 New
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        Quote: 1500014781401
        Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

        Preparing workers .. Do you take a lot on yourself? And do not bite the hand that feeds. The law of nature!
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 09: 53 New
          +2
          It does not understand your words.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 10 October 2015 10: 01 New
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        However, what a conceit! What do you think, how many hours will the army of Belarus hold out under the blows of a coalition like the one that crushed Iraq when the Americans come to you for GDP. Do not bury yourself.
        1. Anatole
          Anatole 10 October 2015 10: 38 New
          0
          При чем тут это провокатор и Армия Белоруссии?! В споре о политике всегда переходите на личности без государственной принадлежности и отсылок к "НАРОДАМ", государства и без вашего участия смогут разораться, зачем подмешивать? Ведётесь как малые поцы в базарный день
          1. tolian
            tolian 10 October 2015 16: 21 New
            +2
            Fortunately, there are two such poets here and miscalculated. Most people understand. By the way. Lukashenko and Putin are in many ways similar. Only Putin, given the size of the country, has to be much more careful. Their relationship is king and king.
            1. Olezhek
              10 October 2015 18: 50 New
              +1
              By the way. Lukashenko and Putin are very similar.


              belay
        2. Pissarro
          Pissarro 10 October 2015 10: 43 New
          0
          про коалицию,крушащую Ирак уже не смешно.Об "успехах" коалиции уже и папуасы и эскимосы наслышаны laughing
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 10 October 2015 11: 03 New
            +3
            про коалицию,крушащую Ирак уже не смешно.Об "успехах" коалиции уже и папуасы и эскимосы наслышаны laughing


            Yes? And what problems did the coalition of amers with the Angles have in 2003? In addition, the Americans simply do not want to fight there, but they cannot at all. The hatred ends very, very badly.
            1. Pissarro
              Pissarro 10 October 2015 14: 03 New
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              Yes, solid problems. One Feluja showed the coalition's weakness. Saddam was thrown off by the security services who bought Iraqi generals and ruined the army. From a military and political point of view, the failure was complete, and the subsequent flight of the coalition from Iraq, Baghd’s complete demise to Tehran, the stupid American brainchild of ISIS, demonstrative cooperation of Iraq with Russia, etc. If this is a successful operation, what successes did the coalition achieve? She never controlled anything except the green zone of Baghdad, and even then in the daytime
              1. Olezhek
                10 October 2015 18: 54 New
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                Yes, solid problems. One Feluja showed all the weakness of the coalition. The security services threw off Saddam’s special services, who bought Iraqi generals and ruined the army administration


                Komrad - let's estimate situuinu straight from FAI (alternative history forum)
                so here we take Sineokuyu and ... move to Africa next to Libya ... or between Syria and Iraq (not to frighten the Belarusians by the sea).
                Or to Latin America next to Venezuela ..
                By the way, it is possible in this version to adjust a thousand tons of oil.
                Make such a pancake, Emirate .. (as dad dreamed !!!) to flood Belarus with oil
                (potato minus)

                Tell me how it will end?
                Dictator, oil ..
                Night, street, lantern, pharmacy ...
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 11 October 2015 04: 06 New
                +1
                Yes, continuous problems. One Feluja showed all the weakness of the coalition. Saddam was thrown off by special services who bought Iraqi generals and ruined army control.


                Understand that it is impossible to buy a winning army. This is from the same opera that supposedly German workers will stop the Wehrmacht, which attacked the USSR. They were bought because they lost. It’s just that the Americans decided that it was much cheaper to pay the generals so that the remnants of the army would scatter than to finish off the units that had settled in the fortified areas and cities. Nothing very original - air supremacy and deep operation. All fortifications and cities are simply bypassed and blocked. Finish for a long time, but the blocked ones no longer have chances. This was shown by the fighting in Libya, Sirte, Bani Walid held on for a long time, but fell when the resources and personnel ran out.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 October 2015 10: 57 New
          +1
          Well, much longer than the one that Iraq had.
        4. tolian
          tolian 10 October 2015 16: 18 New
          +1
          You, too, are not far from the digital encryption.
      3. m262
        m262 10 October 2015 10: 20 New
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        Quote: 1500014781401
        Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

        Preparers damn, Do you need a house for Batka on Rublevka?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 10 October 2015 11: 04 New
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          Preparers damn, Do you need a house for Batka on Rublevka?


          I think that Father will fight to the end, if that.
          1. Good me
            Good me 10 October 2015 11: 33 New
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            Quote: alicante11
            I think that Father will fight to the end, if that.


            He would only have enough brains to choose the priority of the target correctly ...
      4. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 11: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: 1500014781401
        Judging by recent events, the number of chairs Russia is trying to sit on is going through the roof. By the way, we in Minsk have already prepared a mansion for Putin next to Bakiyev.

        We have a sofa for Putin.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 10 October 2015 12: 19 New
          0
          Quite rightly noticed: even our Russian elite, on the one hand, is already all in the West - at home, children, money, which is no secret to anyone, but on the other - flirts with China. What else could you call it, if not two chairs?
      5. tolian
        tolian 10 October 2015 16: 17 New
        +1
        Tsifroshifro, do not provoke visitors. Grantee or half-wit? Which, however, is one and the same.
  2. Name
    Name 10 October 2015 06: 43 New
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    That somehow worries the fact that "Решение о приостановке санкций в отношении Беларуси на четыре месяца будет принято Евросоюзом 12 октября."
    , the presentation of the Nobel Prize Aleksievich (Russophobia) happens right at the same time ...
    1. makarick
      makarick 10 October 2015 07: 00 New
      +8
      А что Вас настораживает?Всё логично,вспомните старое правило,"разделяй и властвуй".Можете почитать как Ходжа Насредин рассорил двух друзей...Политика...Обама лауреат премии мира...
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 09: 59 New
        +2
        Or Belarus will be used as a clipboard with the Russian Federation
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 10 October 2015 08: 28 New
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      Quote: name
      Вот как-то настораживает тот факт, что "Решение о приостановке санкций в отношении Беларуси на четыре месяца будет принято Евросоюзом 12 октября."
      , the awarding of the Nobel Prize Aleksievich (Russophobia) occurs right at the same time.

      К этому нужно добавить заявление "Бацьки" по поводу Российской военной базы(за которую он сам,так недавно,ратовал)Короче тот еще "Казачек"...
      1. 1500014781401
        1500014781401 10 October 2015 09: 32 New
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        The idea of ​​the base is entirely yours. Lukashenko asked 2 fighters 20 years ago. Putin did not. Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter. There will be the remaining 10 without the help of Russia. In light of the foregoing:
        1. There are equipped airfields
        2. There are trained pilots
        3. There are fighters
        AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.
        Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election? Bravo Russia! This is an ally! Before each election, either the Godfather, then the slops in your media, then the St. Petersburg and Moscow revolutionaries go to organize our Square, along the way, grabbing cars from Smolensk with a metal bar to beat our policemen. Bravo again! You will always have allies.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 10 October 2015 09: 37 New
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          Quote: 1500014781401
          Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter

          What do you like, my dear? Since when did Belarus start to produce fighter jets. You got them for free !!! If you also counted on repairs and maintenance (by Russia), then this is an outrageous arrogance.
          Quote: 1500014781401
          1. There are equipped airfields
          2. There are trained pilots
          3. There are fighters
          AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.
          wassat
          1. 1500014781401
            1500014781401 10 October 2015 09: 52 New
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            Passed a complete modernization. I do not smoke. Do not flatter yourself, Russia has NEVER delivered anything to us for free. And these fighters are ours.
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 10 October 2015 10: 00 New
              +5
              Quote: 1500014781401
              Passed a complete modernization. I do not smoke. Do not flatter yourself, Russia has NEVER delivered anything to us for free. And these fighters are ours.

              Well then Born .. USSR MiG-29 Pichugin-1.jpg
              Belarus Air Force Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 (9-13) Pichugin-1.jpg 37 [16] 17 MiG-29B, 12 MiG-29BM and 8 MiG-29UB, as of 2013. MiG-29BM (deep Belarusian modernization), were able to refuel in the air, use air-to-air missiles R-27ER / ET, RVV-AE, air-to-ground missiles X-29T / TD / L and X-25ML, X-31A / P anti-ship missiles, KAB-500Kr / L guided aircraft bombs with laser guidance [17] [18]. The combat effectiveness of the MiG-29BM compared to the MiG-29 "9-13" was improved by 80% against air targets and 4 times against ground targets.
              Su-25 Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR Belarus Air Force Sukhoi Su-25 Pichugin-1.jpg 22 [19] 17 Su-25 and 5 Su-25UB. Also, about 20 Su-25s are in storage. In 1992, it was in service with the 206th OSHAP (29 Su-25), the 378th OSHAP (32 Su-25) and the 397th OSHAP (32 Su-25) [20] [21] [22].
              Su-27
              Su-27UBM1 Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR Belarus Air Force Sukhoi Su-27UB Pichugin-1.jpg 17
              4 After the collapse of the USSR, the country received 23 Su-27P and 5 Su-27UB [23]. In September 2013, the operation of the Belarusian Su-27 was discontinued due to the expiration of the aircraft resource. In January 2014, it was decided to carry out major repairs and upgrade the Su-27 [24]. Temporarily withdrawn from the Air Force. Also in 2014, 10 Russian Su-27SM3 [25] [26] were deployed at the air base in Baranovichi.
              Transport aircraft
              IL-76MD Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR Belarusian Il-76 Candid at Radom AS 2009.JPG 1
              An-26RT Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR 1 Aircraft repeater equipped with the station "Fig"
              .
              Where do you see at least something Belarusian here?
            2. tolian
              tolian 10 October 2015 16: 28 New
              +1
              Calm down, grants willing.
          2. tolian
            tolian 10 October 2015 16: 28 New
            0
            Yes, he is like a Belarusian Bandera. And simply - undereducated.
        2. Aleks28
          Aleks28 10 October 2015 09: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: 1500014781401
          Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election?

          Вопрос поднял сам Лукашенко и не сегодня,а оч. давно,увязывая с поставкой новых самолетов(опять-же на халяву),не выгорело.Электорат "Бацьки" как раз и состоит из сторонников сближения с Россией.Так в чем подстава?Ну и еще немного по базе:Из оф. лиц России ни кто и словом не обмолвился об этой самой базе,ни за,ни против,а вот Лукашенко,тот как раз и молотит то за,то против.Сам он себя подставляет.
          1. 1500014781401
            1500014781401 10 October 2015 09: 55 New
            -8
            But Putin didn’t sign anything? Lukashenko did not ask for a base, no need to lie! Lukashenko said that Putin’s decision on the base was bypassing him as the head of our state. And the opinion of Belarusians is no longer taken into account? Are we already superfluous on Belarusian soil?
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 10 October 2015 10: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: 1500014781401
              But Putin didn’t sign anything?

              Specifically, in your case, do not sign, but you need to register. The truth finder.
              Quote: 1500014781401
              And the opinion of Belarusians is no longer taken into account? Are we already superfluous on Belarusian soil?

              Ohhh, pulled by maydan ..
            2. Aleks28
              Aleks28 10 October 2015 10: 11 New
              +7
              Quote: 1500014781401
              But Putin didn’t sign anything? Lukashenko did not ask for a base, no need to lie! Lukashenko said that Putin’s decision on the base was bypassing him as the head of our state.

              belay Then with whom and what did Putin sign? wassat Lied to the end ... laughing
            3. tolian
              tolian 10 October 2015 16: 32 New
              0
              Stop lying. And inflate even incorruptible. The base is and will be.
        3. tolian
          tolian 10 October 2015 16: 26 New
          +1
          Tsifroshifro, yes you are a real provocateur, mowing down under the Belarusian patriot. What are these Belarusian fighters? Who didn’t give something to anyone? Are you getting ready to change Lukashenko again in Minsk?
  3. venaya
    venaya 10 October 2015 06: 47 New
    +3
    Belarus was created in the 20s with some unfinished projects on our heads, so that we can add problems forever, now we are discussing something, and we are thinking how to get out of this ass.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 10 October 2015 08: 52 New
      +3
      Согласен с Вами уважаемый коллега,ведь это "вечно живой" со товарищи и построил для нас огромный капкан в виде СССР (в смысле союзных республик,там где сроду не было ни какой государственности),а вот товарищ Сталин был иного мнение на устройство новой социалистической державы!Суть его национальной идеи была проста и понятна-широкая автономизация всех регионов бывшей царской России в составе РСФСР(что в принципе и было той же Россией,но с иным названием),а вот когда "самый человечный" провалил эту идею то Иосиф Виссарионович,в силу своего характера больше никогда к ней не возвращался,а жаль! Могли бы жить в ином государстве и никогда и никто его бы не смог развалить!Монолит он и есть монолит,а развели по национальным квартиркам вот и получилась куча песка!
    2. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 10 October 2015 10: 00 New
      -17
      D 1930-1940 on our land there were 120 places for the execution of Belarusians. There are about 200 of them in Kurapaty alone. After September 000, 1939 Belarusians were shot without trial or trial. Would you like to repeat? The war for the Belarusians began on September 25, 000, when Belarusian reservists from the western regions — engineers, doctors — were called up for the Polish army. It was they, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 10 October 2015 10: 53 New
        11
        Probably, not Belarusians, but Chinese served in the bodies of the NKVD in the thirties of Belarus, and probably not the Belarusians, but the Chinese living in the neighborhood wrote denunciations to neighbors laughing
        About engineers and doctors from Kresy, he smiled, the inheritance of a Belarusian and a Ukrainian in pre-war Poland was never higher than a slave. In the cities, the Polish and Jewish populations overwhelmingly dominated, namely, engineers and doctors are produced there
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 10 October 2015 10: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: Pissarro
          Probably, not Belarusians, but Chinese served in the bodies of the NKVD in the thirties of Belarus, and probably not the Belarusians, but the Chinese living in the neighborhood wrote denunciations to neighbors

          Типичная логика майдауна:"Во всем кляти повынни".Думают европа панацея,а забыли как танки Советские(39) с цветами встречали.Видимо то-же не мед жилось.Не хочу сказать,что стали жить лучше,но при ляхах точно не пановали.
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 10 October 2015 11: 13 New
            +5
            Yes, simple Belarusians and the authorities did not forget, I saw posters on September 17 in Minsk in honor of the liberation of Western Belarus. These are the Maydaunas and the liberals there. Although they also haven’t forgotten, the Belarusian Maydaunas are all of Polish nationality, they want to be slaves again
      2. venaya
        venaya 10 October 2015 11: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: 1500014781401
        ... The war for the Belarusians began on September 1, 1939, when Belarusian reservists from the western regions — engineers, doctors — were called up for the Polish army. It was they, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn.

        I wonder how. Please tell us who exactly the Belarusians in Katyn shot, otherwise it’s not very clear to become.
      3. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 11: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: It was them, along with the Poles, who were shot in Katyn. [/ Quote

        As for Katyn, the question is far from controversial.
      4. tolian
        tolian 10 October 2015 16: 34 New
        +2
        Here is the banderlog. Kiev, or what?
      5. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 11 October 2015 17: 25 New
        0
        Ну сколько можно "мусолить" агитку придуманую нашими врагами и поддержанную "Главным Плохишом",предателем Горбачевым! Ну неужели еще есть и-д-и-о-т-ы верящие в эту дезу,это же попытка ревизии итогов 2МВ,подведенные Нюрнбергским Трибуналом,в приговоре которого очень четко и ясно названы настоящие палачи Катыни и пора поставит точку,а мы как граждане России должны давать самый решительный отпор этой провокации!
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 11 October 2015 18: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: kartalovkolya
          Well, is there really a-d-and-o-t-s who believe in this misinformation, this is an attempt to revise the results 2MB failed The Nuremberg Tribunal, in the verdict of which the real executioners of Katyn are very clearly and clearly named and it’s time to put an end, and we, as citizens of Russia, must give the most decisive rebuff to this provocation!

          But what the 1st channel says, the date of shooting 2015


          And here's another


  4. mamont5
    mamont5 10 October 2015 06: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: 79807420129
    The author asks whether Belarusians will die for us?

    And why should they (Belarusians) die for us? But for myself and for the Russian world ...
    1. Olezhek
      10 October 2015 18: 57 New
      +1
      And why should they (Belarusians) die for us? But for myself and for the Russian world ..


      Vanguyu-imagine NATO invaded Belarus ..

      Everyone understands that Russia is obliged to protect it, and Russian and Belarusians ..
      But on the contrary - does not work, why - a mystery ....
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 October 2015 07: 08 New
    +6
    Who is ready to die for whom is probably not asking correctly. But Belarusians want to ask to live in a country similar to Ukraine and under the external control of the United States? Obviously, the local opposition is dreaming about it. And Lukashenko’s behavior can be predicted based on at least the fact that he is going for a fifth term.
    1. 0255
      0255 10 October 2015 09: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Who is ready to die for whom is probably asking incorrectly. But Belarusians want to ask to live in a country similar to Ukraine and under the external control of the United States? Obviously, the local opposition is dreaming about it.

      Уже и многие белорусы мечтают об этом, завидуя полякам, прибалтам и украинцам (!!!), считают что Путин напал на Украину, боятся прихода в Беларусь "вежливых людей" или Стрелкова, называют русских "варварами, орками", Россию называют "Мордором", себя считают литвинами, в той заднице, в которую Беларусь докатилась, винят и Россию.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 10 October 2015 11: 17 New
        +3
        I haven’t seen a Belarusian envious of Ukrainians. A man in his right mind (and most Belarusians are extremely rational and sane people) cannot want the victory of the Maidan in his country.
        But your Shnobel Prize laureate wants to see Belarus as the Baltic states (she announced yesterday in a box), it remains for everyone to run to wash toilets in Europe and destroy plants, and the laureate’s dream will come true smile
        1. 0255
          0255 10 October 2015 14: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Pissarro
          I haven’t seen a Belarusian envious of Ukrainians. A man in his right mind (and most Belarusians are extremely rational and sane people) cannot want the victory of the Maidan in his country.
          But your Shnobel Prize laureate wants to see Belarus as the Baltic states (she announced yesterday in a box), it remains for everyone to run to wash toilets in Europe and destroy plants, and the laureate’s dream will come true smile

          Do you live in the United Arab Emirates and will you tell me, living in Belarus, about my compatriots?
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 10 October 2015 18: 56 New
            0
            I work in the Emirates, and I myself am from Minsk
            1. 0255
              0255 10 October 2015 22: 25 New
              0
              Quote: Pissarro
              I work in the Emirates, and I myself am from Minsk

              Ну так что же работаете в Эмиратах, а не в нашем "астрауке стабильнасци и працвятания"?
        2. tolian
          tolian 10 October 2015 16: 44 New
          0
          For a million dollars, anything he writes and declares. She was held on a hook for three years. They even made me leave for Minsk. So now the truth will begin to cut the uterus there.
      2. tolian
        tolian 10 October 2015 16: 42 New
        -1
        Here is another digitized one. Afraid of what? Why are you lying? Because they pay? Or out of habit. Well, they’ve been so ugly. So there are a lot of such among the Jews. Not Jews.
        1. 0255
          0255 10 October 2015 18: 45 New
          0
          Quote: tolian
          Here is another digitized one. Afraid of what? Why are you lying? Because they pay? Or out of habit. Well, they’ve been so ugly. So there are a lot of such among the Jews. Not Jews.

          Это я "оцифрованный"? Может я, живя в Беларуси, лучше знаю ситуацию в стране? За мои комментарии мне не платят. Я пишу что думаю, что сам вижу.
    2. tolian
      tolian 10 October 2015 16: 39 New
      +2
      The position in Belarus reminds me of the position prepared by the United States in Syria. They swelled a pollard, and 3-4 thugs were fighting for the USA. In Belarus, those who receive grants at the embassies of the western hosts blather. But the result will be Syrian.
    3. Olezhek
      10 October 2015 19: 00 New
      0
      Who is ready to die for someone is probably not asking correctly.


      Sorry, these are difficult times, I would like to decide who will end up with us in the overall cozy trench ...
      By the way - these are the people who are tearing on their vest - where are the Chinese in Syria ..
      About Belarusians it is clear and no one stutters ..
  6. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 10 October 2015 07: 22 New
    21
    Господи! Да сколько ж можно!!! Появился очередной "аналитик" с верным только его мнением!" У Беларуси ТОЛЬКО два пути"...Тьфу negative
    How many can be repeated - judge not by words, but by deeds! How much negativity pours out again from scratch, because someone said something! SAID AND DIDN'T DO !!! Almost 20 years have been spent (EXACTLY WENT, NOT DECLARED) Union policy for rapprochement, no ties were broken, there are practically no borders! You do not need a visa or anything ... If you want, you’ve arrived, you want to leave. Russian is the second state language! Is this not enough? Why is it so boring ??? AND????
    And here is my personal opinion. I will say why this happens!
    Потому что мало того, что мы делаем в рамках сближения. Нужно, чтобы в открытую прокричали на весь мир: " Запад - нехорошие люди, мы только с Россией!" Вот что все хотят!!!Типа либо ты с нами, либо нет. Третьего не дано? Дано! Надо только рамки не выставлять в том, что говориться! Или все думают, что Европа подкатывает с отменами санкций и Лукашенко отвернётся от России??? Не отвернётся, потому что это не раз говорилось и ,мало того, делается! Что плохого в том, что страна в соответствии со своими законами и прописанными в Конституции принципами не гавкается с соседями, а проводит миролюбивую политику в отношении всех? Многовекторность...Которую почему-то называют "сидением на двух стульях"? Что в этом плохого???
    Да поймите те, у кого ещё мозги остались - экономика страны завязана на России и все это понимают,мы одни, кто не рубил топором, что осталось после СССР,кто не гонит россиян. Этого мало? Нужно, чтобы прокричали на весь мир и выбрали с кем мы? Мы давно выбрали и вместо веры трепатне жёлтой прессы и разного рода "аналитиков" судите по делам! Если что, народ пойдёт плечом к плечу с Россией, память ещё жива и памятники мы не рушим. Этого тоже мало? Или надо что бы на весь мир прокричали, что бы чьё-то самолюбие утешилось?
    But when he gets to the government .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing? Do you need it ??? Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world? What is being done is not enough ???
    Sometimes you need to turn on the brains, and not become like Western zombies, believing fairy tales ...
    Ugh, disgusting ... request
    1. venaya
      venaya 10 October 2015 07: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      ... Now when he gets to power .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing? Do you need it ??? Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world? What is being done is not enough ???
      .

      You understand, this is precisely what we are afraid of. Another maidan on our head? This snake should not be allowed under any circumstances. But how to do it? Sorry, but this is what you should tell us.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 10 October 2015 08: 25 New
        +9
        Quote: venaya
        You understand, this is precisely what we are afraid of. Another maidan on our head? This snake should not be allowed under any circumstances. But how to do it? Sorry, but this is what you should tell us.

        Майдан??? У нас что,примера под боком нету??? На прошлых выборах хотели "цветушку" устроить. Что получилось? Нет. В чём проблема? В ваших страхах... request
        Suggest how to implement? For this, you need to at least not bother just living (or surviving - who can call it convenient). We have preserved what is left of the USSR, in order to eat, we need to sell what we have. In order to produce this, we do not destroy ties with Russia. Because we stupidly have no gas and oil. And we can only give what we have. To sell, you need to buy. After all, you won’t say that we will take everything from you? No, here you have to travel the world! And what, is our fault in the crisis and in the fact that instead of 5000 MAZs and tractors, only 2000 are bought from us? This is me, for example. Well, there is still salt. The usual dumb market law. If we had oil and giz, we would not have steamed, but it is necessary. We have to be friends with our neighbors in order to survive, and we are still charged with IT, called sitting on two chairs !!!
        Guys, learn economics! Nobody asks you to support us forcibly, but at least do not bother to survive yourself, as it turns out with what we have!
        And then, as soon as it became worse according to the laws of the market for objective reasons, that’s all - regime x ..., Lukashenko is slippery ... Look deep into the problem, and do not look for a black man where he is not there. hi
        1. 0255
          0255 10 October 2015 10: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Майдан??? У нас что,примера под боком нету??? На прошлых выборах хотели "цветушку" устроить. Что получилось? Нет. В чём проблема? В ваших страхах... request

          А много кто восхищается "молодцы украинцы скинули своего Януковича". А недовольство в стране растёт. Или вы верите сказкам по БТ на тему "у нас кризиса и девальвации нет?"
          Quote: Rurikovich
          We have preserved what remains of the USSR

          Again, tales from BT and Belarusian Republican Youth Union, factories from the USSR are completely bent, work 3-4 days, people do not get paid for months. In my city, 5 successful plants were bent in Soviet times. 2 of them were converted into shopping centers.
          Наши заводы работают на древнем и изношенном советском оборудовании, "мадэрнизацыя праизводства" производится только на словах, современных заводов в стране очень мало. А деньги вкладываются не в производство, а в неокупаемые ледовые дворцы.
          Quote: Rurikovich
          And what, is our fault in the crisis and in the fact that instead of 5000 MAZs and tractors, only 2000 are bought from us? This is me, for example. Well, there is still salt. The usual dumb market law. If we had oil and giz, we would not have steamed, but it is necessary. We have to be friends with our neighbors in order to survive, and we are still charged with IT, called sitting on two chairs !!!

          Or maybe you need to produce competitive products that they will buy? New MAZs break down already in the first year, the quality of MTZ tractors also fell.
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Guys, learn economics!

          Рюрикович, вам самому надо бы подучить экономику, и БРСМ-овскую про нашу лучшуювмире ниимеющую аналогов "сацыяльна арыентираваную эканамичэскую мадэль"
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Nobody asks you to support us forcibly, but at least do not bother to survive yourself, as it turns out with what we have!

          Come on? Our economy is stupidly supported by loans from Russia and sometimes the IMF and the EU. How does Russia prevent us from surviving, low gas prices, deferred loan payments?
          1. tolian
            tolian 10 October 2015 16: 55 New
            -1
            Уважаемые посетители, узнаю очередного белорусского гоппозиционера. Именно такие рассказывают о миллиардах Лукашенко, о золотых унитазах в десятках особняков о шизофрении Лукашенко, о желании Колю сделать президентом и многих других "фактах". Это проплаченные или, обозлённые невозможностью грабить белорусов, глупые , жадные людишки. Беларусь, мы с тобою!
        2. tolian
          tolian 10 October 2015 16: 50 New
          -1
          I always thought, and now I think that all those who roll on Lukashenko are just limited, stupid people. With a great desire to bazaar in public in a pose.
    2. Name
      Name 10 October 2015 07: 40 New
      +5
      Emotionally ..., I understand, it’s a shame for the State. But you forgot one RULE- FOR ALL GOOD DO NOT BE! hi
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 10 October 2015 08: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: name
        Emotionally ..., I understand, it’s a shame for the State. But you forgot One RULE- FOR ALL GOOD DO NOT BE!
        Answer

        Well ... Of course, it can be hypothetically hypothesized that sooner or later the choice will have to be made. But why speed it up? The time will come, a situation will arise when it will be impossible to stay away - we will do it.
        Or you living on the same street with your neighbors will start running and talking, you, Vasya - g ..., you, Manya, too, but I don’t want to talk to you, I’ll just talk to Tonka, she gives! So? Or can you just not quarrel with anyone, not increase your passion out of the blue, say hello as before to maintain at least a hostile relationship and continue to be friends with those with whom you consider it necessary? Can? Can.
        So why make an elephant out of a fly ??? wink
    3. cormorant
      cormorant 10 October 2015 09: 16 New
      +5
      No need to distort, Rurikovich. Everyone sees everything, and how you Russians are called “Horde” there, and how slowly, but stubbornly, Latin is popularized in your country ... Generations of young Belarusians educated in independent Belarus were literally zombified in terms of “separating” Belarusians from the Russian people and Russia . Everything goes, and methodically and persistently, to the Ukrainian scenario.
      1. 0255
        0255 10 October 2015 10: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: cormorant
        No need to distort, Rurikovich. Everyone sees everything, and how you Russians are called “Horde” there, and how slowly, but stubbornly, Latin is popularized in your country ... Generations of young Belarusians educated in independent Belarus were literally zombified in terms of “separating” Belarusians from the Russian people and Russia . Everything goes, and methodically and persistently, to the Ukrainian scenario.

        I agree with you sad
      2. Pissarro
        Pissarro 10 October 2015 11: 19 New
        +1
        Who writes in Latin in Belarus? Or so, zvezdezh for pumping?
        1. 0255
          0255 10 October 2015 14: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Pissarro
          Who writes in Latin in Belarus? Or so, zvezdezh for pumping?

          Oppositionists once suggested switching from Cyrillic to Latin
    4. alicante11
      alicante11 10 October 2015 10: 19 New
      +6
      You do not need a visa or anything ... If you want, you’ve arrived, you want to leave. Russian is the second state language! Is this not enough? Why is it so boring ??? BUT????


      А вы уверены, что это все равноценно "скидкам" на энергоносители и прикрытию ядерным зонтиком? Тем более, что "второй государственный" - лишь констатация факта, при чем кривая. Думаю, что гораздо больше белорусов владеет русским, чем беларусским языком. Так что русский у вас должен бы быть первым де-юре, как и де-факто. Про дешевые энергоносители - я уже помолчу, Россию всегда доили все союзники. Ну а вот по поводу военного прикрытия - спросите у ливийцев, каково это остаться один на один с НАТО. А Бацька может вызвать дух Каддафи на спиритический сеанс и расспросить, как ему понравилось, когда его замучили крышуемые Западом бандиты.

      But when he gets to the government .... oh and closes the border, starts to expel the Russians and select enterprises, what do you sing?


      Well, we get drunk, but you have to ride. Has the example of Ukriana really taught nothing?

      Or in order to prove something, you need to shout to the whole world?


      Да нет, тут все проще. Бацька может сколько угодно кричать на весь мир о своей незалежности. Главное, чтобы отдал "нашим" олигархам самые лакомые куски промышленности. А он этого сделать не хочет. За что ему респект и уважуха. Правда, боюсь, что все равно не протризорит он этот "стог сена". За все приходится платить, Мурмурыч понимал это слишком буквально, что достаточно купить трежерис и профинансировать предвыборную кампанию Сракози. За что и пострадал, Бацька идет по его стопам.
      1. 0255
        0255 10 October 2015 10: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: alicante11
        I think that a lot more Belarusians speak Russian than the Belarusian language.

        Most of our Russophobes speak Russian, however, like Ukrainian.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 10 October 2015 11: 01 New
          +5
          Most of our Russophobes speak Russian, however, like Ukrainian.


          Да вопрос не в этом. Просто разделение России, Белоруссии и Украины - это преступление, разделение одного народа. И было бы вполне логичным сказать, что если мы братья-родственники, то давайте стирать границы и жить вместе, исправлять последствия этого преступления. Было бы, если бы в России не правили олигархи, поэтому я не могу призывать брата-белоруса подвергаться олигархическому грабежу вместе со мной. С украинцами тут проще, их и так свои олигархи грабили, так что лучше бедовать вместе. А в Белоруссии капитализм государственный, вам больше повезло с руководителем. Пусть Бацька и не годится в подметки ВВП, как политик, но зато он - хозяин в своей стране, а не "раб на галерах" у олигархов и достаточно хорош в политике, чтобы я сожалел, что Россией управляет не Бацька или, еще лучше, Мурмурыч Каддафи.
          1. 0255
            0255 10 October 2015 14: 16 New
            +2
            alicante11 come to us for permanent residence, and you will be convinced that not everything is as beautiful as it seems to you in Russia. Then you will bite your elbows with frustration
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 11 October 2015 04: 34 New
              0
              alicante11 come to us for permanent residence, and you will be convinced that not everything is as beautiful as it seems to you in Russia. Then you will bite your elbows with frustration


              Capitalism, it is capitalism everywhere, even state. For a simple person, nothing good can be given.
    5. Olezhek
      10 October 2015 19: 18 New
      +1
      Появился очередной "аналитик" с верным только его мнением!" У Беларуси ТОЛЬКО два пути".

      Yes, I am like this ! hatch out !!

      Almost 20 years is carried out (it is EXACTLY done, NOT DECLARATED), the allied policy of rapprochement, ties are not broken, the boundaries are practically NO! Because not only are we doing as part of rapprochement.


      Colleague - heartily greet the cat with your avatar.
      Do you know what a friendly zone is ??
      Может я не прав, может я несправедлив, но мне наши отношения с Беларусией напоминают именно это - friendly zone... Более примитивная и тупая модель - "система ниппель"
      You see, Belarus is satisfied with that, yes. The problem is that it does not suit Russia.

      What is wrong with the fact that the country, in accordance with its laws and the principles laid down in the Constitution, does not bargain with its neighbors, but conducts a peace-loving policy towards all?


      Sorry - colleague YOU inattentively read my little article. Russia fought a lot inside and
      now -in the country.
      And Lukashenko is great !! He made this blood and dirt fly past Belarus!
      Here is a dirty, podskantstsionnaya with Kalashnikov at the ready and with a bandaged head Russia
      And there is a peace-loving Belarus, which no one barks ...

      You live in safety created by the very Russian soldiers who died in Chechnya ..
      And be proud that your hands are clean from both blood and dirt ..
      Will you forgive Switzerland ??? Someone recognized your sovereignty ??
      There is a war. Across the planet.
      And it so happened that you are not fighting on the side of Russia. So it goes.

      Мы давно выбрали и вместо веры трепатне жёлтой прессы и разного рода "аналитиков" судите по делам! Если что, народ пойдёт плечом к плечу с Россией


      Yu Ossetia, Chechnya, Donbass, Syria ...
      Простите - ГДЕ белорусский народ "пошел плечом к плечу?
      Then I was offered to drink brandy together, I suggest you fight together.
      Russia is in a position to fight terrorists and other ..
      We are not useful .. allies who do not want to quarrel with anyone.

      That's when some government will get to power .... and it will close the border, begin to drive out the Russians and select companies that you will sing? Do you need this ???


      We do not care.
      Already do not care.
      Losing your head in the hair do not cry ..
      Russia got involved in a big war .. and in the Donbas and in Syria and complexes about Minsk ..
  7. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 10 October 2015 07: 49 New
    +9
    Nevertheless, Old Man must stop doing political prostitution, or-or ... Well, about

    “Russia has no money, no brains”

    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1952292.html

    It's time to answer for the bazaar

  8. Mentor
    Mentor 10 October 2015 07: 56 New
    +7
    I will be calm, although I support a colleague Rurikovich. Автор статьи в Беларуси не был. Все его данные из Интернета, где царит недовольная отсутствием "печенек" оппозиция. Люди зрелого возраста жизни без России, или в конфронтации с Россией, не представляют вообще.
    PS Author! Come to us, and not to Minsk, but to the province. We’ll sit, we’ll drink cognac, we’ll talk about life.
    1. 0255
      0255 10 October 2015 10: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Mentor
      I will be calm, although I support a colleague Rurikovich. Автор статьи в Беларуси не был. Все его данные из Интернета, где царит недовольная отсутствием "печенек" оппозиция.

      I live in Belarus, and I agree with the author. And you don’t need to drop the Internet from accounts, almost everyone has computers today.
      Quote: Mentor
      People of a mature age living without Russia, or in confrontation with Russia, do not represent at all.

      Not all Belarusians are for Russia, there are those who look to the west.
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 10 October 2015 10: 31 New
        +6
        Quote: 0255
        Not all Belarusians are for Russia, there are those who look to the west.

        Well then, it's a matter of time unfortunately ... recourse Belarus is waiting for the fate of Ukraine, and maybe even worse.
    2. Anatole
      Anatole 10 October 2015 11: 13 New
      +3
      Согласен мужики, только вот основной движущей силой вна Украине стали ребята рожденные после 1980, я не исключаю всех остальных, но критической и самой действенной была именно эта группа. Которые застали не только метаморфозы информационного поля но и образовательного. Так что можно сколь угодно "старой гвардии" рожденной в одной большой стране, распивать заслуженный и дружеский коньячек, молодые и холёные сметут и не заикнутся.
      A lot of relatives in Ukraine and Belarus, brothers, aunts, etc., for me one space, one people, but the information war does not have a separator, and affects everyone and everything. Among their relatives, they took it as an axiom not to discuss politics and remember that the main thing is family and family values, and it does not matter how many time zones and invisible borders are scattered. Yours faithfully hi
  9. andrejwz
    andrejwz 10 October 2015 08: 00 New
    0
    This, of course, is a difficult topic - relations between Russia and Belarus. Very difficult. About how relations between Russia and Ukraine ten years ago.

    Aren't you tired? Just like a jealousy with a lover. At first, endless jealousy and demands to devote all of himself to him without a trace, and when I got out and what I was afraid of - she decided to leave - it happened, cries: I always knew that you were a whore.
  10. Arkan
    Arkan 10 October 2015 08: 19 New
    +5
    After all, in a democratic paradise, they were waiting for the democratic gurus.


    The gurus from a shitty paradise will be something like this.

    Fatherland fellow countrymen should think, but do they need it?
    1. m262
      m262 10 October 2015 11: 52 New
      +1
      You tie with a booze in the morning, and you don’t need to teach us what kind of houri there are, a colleague Rurikovich has already popularly explained what multi-vector is. In 2008, there were precedents: Medvedev suggested recognizing Ossetia and Abkhazia, Lukashenko said that Belarus would have REAL problems with the West (sanctions, bans on supplies, etc.) and we would need Russia's support, what did Medvedev answer ??? We play in the place, and the tablets apart?
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 10 October 2015 13: 39 New
        +1
        Your neighbors in Ukraine have experienced the association with the EU. In the eyes of Europe, you probably think that something is different from them? Something is not clear to you in Belarus and you think that the Americans perceive your multi-vector approach differently than we do in Russia?
      2. Olezhek
        10 October 2015 19: 22 New
        0
        Medvedev suggested recognizing Ossetia and Abkhazia, Lukashenko said that Belarus would begin with REAL problems with the West (sanctions, prohibitions on supplies, etc.) and we would need support from Russia, what did Medvedev say ??


        That's right - this is the point from which the attitude towards Belarus has changed dramatically
  11. starriuy
    starriuy 10 October 2015 08: 19 New
    +8
    No one except the Russians of Russia will be either an ally or an assistant NEVER ...
    Only Russia itself assistant and intercessor ....
    That's when Russia gets stronger, becomes a really strong country, only then all these pseudo-independent Poland, Ukraine, Belarusians, etc. they will really begin to become our allies, but for now they are only rushing around trying to guess who will eventually become stronger and to whom to go six. The law of power, only he always worked ...
  12. akudr48
    akudr48 10 October 2015 08: 27 New
    +5
    It is sad to talk about this, Belarus had exactly two strategic development options. The first is full reintegration with Russia. The second option is the fate of the country of Ukraine in one way or another.

    I believe the author is right about two options. There are no other options for a multi-vector policy (as Ukraine tried) in the present conditions for Belarus. Although Belarusians are not UKRs, they have never been traitors.

    And why, in fact, is such truth sad and for whom? For Russians, this truth is the only truth, a joyful truth, because if Russians and Ukrainians are one people (as the President says), then Russians and Belarusians are all the more so.
    Belarusians have a more complicated situation. Communist power endowed them with the state within the USSR, and with the fall of the Union a desire arose (supported by Poland and the West) to completely abandon now Russia. especially when they saw Yeltsin’s Russia.

    Old Man is a powerful leader, and he could, as President, lead the united country of Russia with reunited Belarus. But Moscow beneficiaries from the collapse of the USSR will not allow him to do this.

    Therefore, the Old Man and his elites maneuver between Russia and not even the West, but Poland, maneuver, maneuver and can maneuver, like the U.K.r.
    Therefore, the question is whether Russians in the format of Belarusians will be able to unite with Russians in the format of Russians in a single and indivisible Russia.
    Russians in Russia will answer, yes. But how the Belarusians will answer is not known. This is the difficulty.

    И еще. Странно пишет автор на русском языке - "Беларуси", а не Белоруссии, как правильно. Сразу дает аванс незалежности и согласие на нее. Себя и русский язык уважать надо.

    Вспоминаю, как прибалты заставили поздний СССР писать вместо "Таллин" нечто вроде "Талллииинннн", потому, что так им казалось, будет правильно уважить гордых эстов. Но не уважили.
    1. Olezhek
      10 October 2015 19: 23 New
      0
      И еще. Странно пишет автор на русском языке - "Беларуси", а не Белоруссии, как правильно. Сразу дает аванс незалежности и согласие на нее. Себя и русский язык уважать надо.


      Met and one other option. There is a tractor like that ...
  13. valokordin
    valokordin 10 October 2015 08: 34 New
    +6
    Lukashenka’s interests and the interests of the Russian oligarchs do not coincide, so disagreements arise. Old Man is furious when he learns about the intention of Russian banking and economic sharks to gobble up the Belarusian economy. Therefore, his impulsive antics seem anti-Russian. The main thing here is that it contradicts the communist education of the Belarusian president, his spirit, and not the desire to sit on 2 chairs. It is a pity, of course, that his Fanfaron escapades annoy not only the leadership of Russia, but also the Russians themselves.
    1. noWAR
      noWAR 10 October 2015 09: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: valokordin
      valokordin (4)

      You are right, dear. And such as the author of the article am all the time they want everyone under one comb and drive one frame.
    2. Olezhek
      10 October 2015 19: 26 New
      0
      The Old Man becomes fierce when he learns about the intention of the Russian banking and economic sharks to devour the Belarusian economy. Therefore, his impulsive antics seem anti-Russian.


      Guys, I explain it popularly - can you imagine the state and level of the Russian economy?
      So they wanted to upgrade the Belarusian one and integrate it into the Russian one.
      Old Man naturally repulsed.
      Бесконечно спонсировать его мегапроект "социализм с белорусским лицом" нам не интересно.
      The problem is that the Belarusian economy is not self-sufficient.
  14. da Vinci
    da Vinci 10 October 2015 09: 05 New
    +3
    The Putin-Medvedev tandem is certainly not a gift and evokes complex feelings, but a father with a young heir is something. Pure BNDR laughing
  15. Mentor
    Mentor 10 October 2015 09: 30 New
    -3
    Quote: da Vinci
    The Putin-Medvedev tandem is certainly not a gift and evokes complex feelings, but a father with a young heir is something. Pure BNDR laughing

    Dont be upset. Twenty years later, Nicholas III is crowned in the Church of St. Basil the Blessed, as emperor of the Union Empire. For this, AHL carries it around with him. Teaches the future emperor.
  16. Nymp
    Nymp 10 October 2015 09: 48 New
    +5
    Сейчас настало время чётко обозначить свою позицию. Либо ты евромайданутый (а зачем России такой "друг"?), либо ты за воссоединение с Россией! В сторонке постоять, государству плотно эконически привязанному к России, не получится. Не стоит братьям Белоруссам обижаться на реальность. Ну право-же не станете вы сторонке наблюдать как чужаки бьют вашего близкого родственника? Я имею в виду бытовую ситуацию. То же самое и в политике, назревает пиковая ситуация, и тут не время для междуусобиц.
  17. valokordin
    valokordin 10 October 2015 09: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Nymp
    Сейчас настало время чётко обозначить свою позицию. Либо ты евромайданутый (а зачем России такой "друг"?), либо ты за воссоединение с Россией! В сторонке постоять, государству плотно эконический привязанному к России, не получится. Не стоит братьям Белоруссам обижаться на реальность. Ну прво-же не станете вы сторонке наблюдать как чужаки бьют вашего близкого родственника? Я имею в виду бытовую ситуацию. То же самое и в политике, назревает пиковая ситуация, и тут не время для междуусобиц.

    If there were no contradictions between socialism and bourgeoisism, this conflict would not exist
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 10 October 2015 10: 29 New
      0
      You want to say that we have a different political system with Belarus? I don’t know if theirs can be called socialism. But as the author of the article said, initially Belarus had only two choices (we exclude two fantastic ones, we leave the real ones) and further describes which ones. Do you agree with the author?
  18. Stranger
    Stranger 10 October 2015 11: 01 New
    +6
    It is impossible to let it drift. Russia is obliged to increase political influence and keep Belarus from (Euro-values). Old Man is better (gunpowder).
  19. onix757
    onix757 10 October 2015 11: 11 New
    0
    Батька молодец! И государство социально ориентированное строит и промышленность сохранил. А то что "тянет" с России малость - так грех не воспользоваться случаем. Нефть они не качают. Нужно еще разобраться кто кому больше нужен и кто для кого больше полезен. Без Белорусской электроники, машиностроения российский ВПК в условиях санкций не выжил бы, а без дружественной армии на западных границах противопоставить западным "партнерам" России нечего..ну кроме двух дивизий. Посему батьке спасибо нужно сказать за обеспечение нашего впк электронно-компонентной базой и продукцией машиностроения.А то что с нашим воришкам- олигархам промышленность не дает раздерибанить так это говорит только о том, что он любит свою страну и свой народ.
    1. 0255
      0255 10 October 2015 14: 18 New
      0
      And you, too, move to us for permanent residence, you will see that everything is not so beautiful with us
  20. onix757
    onix757 10 October 2015 11: 15 New
    +1
    Well, what a habit for hamsters to minus without explaining the reasons. Are the arguments over?
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  22. Tjeck
    Tjeck 10 October 2015 11: 51 New
    0
    an article from the category (philosophy in the kitchen), but the stench was spread ... strange people here, however, before writing on behalf of the Russian state, at least look at the integration of Russia / Belarus and compare it with any other country.

    although the main question I have for the author is what is the purpose of this article? the author has only two options))
    1.) he is really not far off and did not think about the consequences
    2.) the next provocateur koi already tried to make noise in 2010 - it turned out not beautifully ..

    I just don’t understand, even if the article was written for the purpose of provocation, the opposition (red and white) is insignificant, in the near future the Nuland cookies will definitely not help. Well, to the Old Man I have no claims. so I'm leaning towards the first option.
    1. onix757
      onix757 10 October 2015 11: 56 New
      +2
      Простите, а что за прослойка находится между красными и белыми? Случаем не дам с его "высоким" рейтингом и возглавляемой им едром?
      1. Tjeck
        Tjeck 10 October 2015 12: 13 New
        0
        if the memory does not change between red and white there is a red horse laughing I'm not talking about the Christian Christian army and the White Guards, I had in mind the signature of the opposition ..
  23. Mentor
    Mentor 10 October 2015 12: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: onix757
    Well, what a habit for hamsters to minus without explaining the reasons. Are the arguments over?

    Ну какие могут аргументы у противников независимой Беларуси? С одной стороны, подпевать оппонентам Лукашенко неприлично, тем более у тех программа, хм-м-м, вызывает только смех. "Заграница нам поможет!" - бессмертные слова Остапа Бендера до сих пор ласкают уши либералов всех мастей и национальностей. С другой стороны, Беларусь обязательно должна войти в состав России, ибо, так правильно! Независимость республики эти уря-патриоты совершенно не признают, и нет чтобы подумать хорошенько. И Путину и Лукашенко нужна Швейцария, не полностью, конечно, но большей частью. Российскому президенту необходимо место, где можно встретиться со своими противниками, причём в достаточно комфортной обстановке со стороны принимающей стороны. Белорусскому же вполне достаточно торговых преференций, и чувства своей значимости. Да и российские военные так же учитывают подлетное время, которое для них увеличивает Республика Беларусь. Независимая Беларусь нужна России больше чем Северо-Западный федеральный округ. Всегда можно свалить пару-тройку мелочей на непредсказуемый характер белорусского президента wink
    1. onix757
      onix757 10 October 2015 12: 26 New
      +2
      Both Putin and Lukashenko need Switzerland, not completely, of course, but for the most part. The Russian president needs a place where you can meet with your opponents, and in a fairly comfortable environment by the host. The Belarusian is quite enough trade preferences, and feelings of their importance

      Швейцария больше нужна нашим властьимущим. АГЛ и так прекрасно осознает ценность своей страны и для запада и для России, а посему ему можно сидеть на попе ровно и отбирать выгодные предложения. Неприемлемо другое, обитатели Кремля совсем не умеют разговаривать с Беларусью на равноправной основе. Весь разговор сводится к формуле"не отдашь-нагнем". Понятное дело что такой расклад любого угнетать начнет.
    2. Olezhek
      10 October 2015 19: 31 New
      -1
      On the other hand, Belarus must necessarily become part of Russia, for, so right! Independence of the republic, these urya-patriots do not recognize at all, and not to think carefully


      Guys - no longer. That is - a fork. Or with us or with Europe. So it goes. Belarus Stalin included in the UN with the fact that it’s like to have your own person from a kind of independent state.
      Lukashenko went further. He pursues a fully independent foreign policy.
      Understand - it is ALREADY uninteresting to us.
      Everything - the transition period is over.
      No one in the world finances an independent state. This is absurd.
      Old Man wants 1 to have a fully independent policy
      2 Live on Russian subsidies.
      It does not happen.
  24. Belarus
    Belarus 10 October 2015 12: 36 New
    +9
    I stand for close relations with the Russian Federation. Just for one simple reason: no one will help us except the Russian Federation.Does anyone think that Europe needs our products ??? Is Europe open to us its markets ??? Yes, in general, what can Europe give us besides loans on its terms.
    Remember what you said about the integration of the AHL: we will go as far as the Russian Federation wants it. And as soon as the Russian Federation proposed to go further and deeper, our leadership immediately started talking that the Russian Federation wants a lot.We simply simply do not know how to negotiate, but only blah blah blah.
    Yes, it would be possible to blame something on the leadership of the Russian Federation or the Republic of Belarus - but the presidents met repeatedly in person. Was it really impossible to solve this or that issue ???
    Everyone has heard the question of the air base of the Russian Federation in Baranovichi. If we come from the media of the Republic of Belarus, it turns out that the GDP and the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation had no idea that we should talk about this with our president, but they themselves wanted to open this base.
    Personally, it’s hard for me to look at this whole situation when they can’t agree and constantly drive away the idea that we can get into a fuss.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 10 October 2015 13: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Belarus
      I stand for close relations with the Russian Federation. Just for one simple reason: no one will help us except the Russian Federation. Does anyone really think that Europe needs our goods ??? Is Europe open to us its markets ??? Yes, in general, what can Europe give us besides loans on its terms.

      Если таких в Беларуси большинство и оно не пассивно,то ни какие "Майданы" ей не страшны! good
  25. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 10 October 2015 12: 37 New
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    Quote: 1500014781401
    The idea of ​​the base is entirely yours. Lukashenko asked 2 fighters 20 years ago. Putin did not. Now Baranavichy Aircraft Repair (Motor Sich in Belarus) has prepared 9 and by November 1 will be the 10th completely and only ours! fighter. There will be the remaining 10 without the help of Russia. In light of the foregoing:
    1. There are equipped airfields
    2. There are trained pilots
    3. There are fighters
    AND ALL OUR BELARUSIAN.
    Now motivate, why do we need your base? And why did the question of it arise just before the election? They wanted to substitute Lukashenko in an allied manner before the election? Bravo Russia! This is an ally! Before each election, either the Godfather, then the slops in your media, then the St. Petersburg and Moscow revolutionaries go to organize our Square, along the way, grabbing cars from Smolensk with a metal bar to beat our policemen. Bravo again! You will always have allies.

    Не знаю, кто кого с прутьями к вам посылал, только при чем тут Россия? Вы не в курсе, что некоторые либерастные белорусские нацики тоже кем то свозились на Болотную и другие площади? Не задумывались кто истерит по поводу русско-белорусского братства? Не либерасты ли с обеих сторон? В белорусских СМИ тоже часто идут помои в адрес России, кое кто историю переписывает, придумывая "русско-белорусские войны".
    Читаю тут "срач" русских и белорусов и на душе противно. Друзья, давайте все таки не вестись на провокации и попытки нас столкнуть и поссорить? Украински бандеро-нацисты, приведенные к власти уже добились вражды. Пропаганда бандеросми уже так зазомбировала украинцам мозги, что аж страшно становится. А ведь все начиналось с робких заявлений, и редких пробный антурусских статей.
    Who gave what fighters, or didn’t give, whether there was talk about the base and who agreed with whom, why the politicians on the sidelines say we don’t know, but we judge by media reports, bloggers, and other informational stuffing. Let's put aside emotions and mutual insults. We have nothing to share!
  26. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 10 October 2015 12: 53 New
    +5
    Один раз бездействуя п.р.о.с.р.а.л.и Украину,теперь бездействуем опять.Где работа посла и его шайки бездельников? Где пропаганда и агитация с нашей стороны? Где работа с Бацькой,чтобы не крутился как шкурка на хрену? Где работа с "оппозицией" в Белоруссии? Где продавливание установки наших военных баз?.Потом опять будем на разные "майданы" смотреть и вопить -упустили,кто виноват?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 October 2015 13: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      (!!!!!)

      In short - WHERE-EEE-EEE ??? laughing

      Wolf, Tambovsky .. where is the construct? Some screams .. incoherent negative
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 10 October 2015 15: 00 New
        +1
        Yes, if those who need to do this, chase the bulldo, what do we do, how not to yell. Age, then, three Mondays left. Maybe they will heed the screams, saboteurs.
  27. Genur
    Genur 10 October 2015 16: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Temples
    And again the Russians are to blame

    Не русские . а "либерастское" российское правительство
  28. demos1111
    demos1111 10 October 2015 16: 14 New
    0
    All these disputes are absolutely stupid at the moment, as a resident of Minsk, I’ll say that the Belarusian industry is a myth. And the disputes here are stupid, even the most ardent Russophobes, what Russophobes are there, the Poles admit it.
    But I still consider Lukashenko
    Fortunately for Russia, it is like a brake on the development of Belarus. With another, smarter, it would probably have been a chance to go west, now, no. Or very worthless consequences. Although he, Lukashenko is doing everything to go west, he sincerely wants it.
    In other words, the plants will be in Minsk, the construction site is already standing.
    1. Olezhek
      10 October 2015 19: 35 New
      0
      With a friend, smarter, perhaps it would have been a chance to go west


      Lithuania as be gone ...
  29. Olezhek
    10 October 2015 19: 45 New
    -1
    Thanks to all members of the forum for giving their opinion! good
    It was interesting! Special thanks to Belarusians.
    Персональная благодарность автору - "Не нервируйте батьку" Алексею Володину.
    We must meet more often! drinks
  30. gammipapa
    gammipapa 10 October 2015 21: 11 New
    +2
    What is the point here for us to find out who is senior here and who is smarter or more cunning?
    Several years ago, at a company, we somehow got together and discussed politics, and how is it that everything is not humanly like us, that people became cunning, each for himself and striving to deceive his neighbor. One more intelligent and wise comrade listened for a long time and then said how he snapped -But forgive, it’s all our people, we are there, we don’t have other people, but we ourselves are to blame for everything. do you want to find? A lot of time has passed, but it was remembered.

    Is it the same with Belarusians, are they bad? Yes, no worse than us and, more precisely, that is what we are. I’ll say more, and Ukrainians will also now jump in their faces, wrinkling their eyes and seeing when there is nothing to eat.