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Weekday LIH: where to run from the Russian?

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This material was written on the weekend, under the clear and confident reports of the Russian videoconferencing system, the joyful cries of that part of Syria that is not under ISIS and the terrible cries of everyone else. However, weekdays usually come weekdays. And I think that just in the next work week there will be answers to the questions that will now be raised.


1. What happens to the terrorists?

We will call them that way, because we cannot take and call igil all those opposing Assad. There are at least three components:

1) Al-Nusra, the heirs of al-Qaida. The smallest grouping.

2) The free Syrian army, if briefly - the Syrian Sunni fled from the army of Assad. Deserters, in general, but local. The most moderate in this company, but also the most, according to Assad, dangerous. Therefore, in full and ogrebayuschie.

3) Actually LIH. The core consists of the former fighters of Saddam Hussein (may Allah’s mercy be upon him), which was not found in the homeland after the murder of their commander in chief. Plus, a huge number of sunni sided from around the world.

In the number of about 300 thousands of people believe difficult, but the 200-250 - quite a.

This whole 4 company of the year confidently hammered the Assad army. Yielding in the technique is infinite, but outnumbering and frantic. And sometimes learning. Good (by local standards) soldiers were enough in the Syrian and Iraqi armies.

And suddenly a scrap was drawn in the form of Russian bomber and attack aircraft. What reception can be against this scrap?

You can talk for a long time on the topic of how effective the 100 sorties of our pilots were, a lot or a little. One thing is clear for now: some air forces can make both 500 and 1000 departures and bomb the desert sands. Or hospitals. The result will be the same - complete zero.

2. Coming day for terrorists.

So what can really terrorists from all the groups oppose to the suddenly appeared factor? Moreover, the factor, as it turned out, is very effective.

The first thing that comes to mind is to organize an air defense system.

It is not as simple as it may seem at first glance. Yes, October 5 in the United States will consider the question of the supply of "Isis" Stinger-type MANPADS. The system, tested over the years, is quite effective, and, most importantly, both simple and well-known all over the world.

Igilovtsy should, in theory, cope. The question of efficiency. The fact that the "thirty fourth" can take damage, purely theoretically. Well, or if something falls off from laughter. With the “Rooks,” the question is open because they work at such heights where the Stinger may well be effective. Practicing in Afghanistan has proven this. But when Afghanistan was ... “The Rooks” have undergone many changes since that time, and I’m not sure that they are all for the worse. The question of the effectiveness of the "Stinger" against the Su-25 is left open, because, as I already wrote, I personally witnessed how the Su-25 of the Ukrainian Air Force left three of the militia rockets under Izvarino. But since the 5 or 6 missiles were fired at all, this plane still got into the statistics of that day. Then two Su-25 shut up to the state aviahlama.

Channels passed the information that the Saudis urgently began a search in order to purchase our Shilok. That the Saudis can buy is understandable. The fact that there is definitely someone to sell - too.

“Shilka” is an ancient thing, but akin to a Kalashnikov assault rifle. In the sense of simplicity and reliability. And it is well known in the Syrian and Iraqi army. Until now, it can pose a real threat to low-flying targets, be it a helicopter or an attack aircraft. But - only for low-flying. Over 1,5 km already seems to be not very.

The layout is about the same as for the "Stinger". That is, the defense seems to be, but its effectiveness is really conditional. Moreover, it is unlikely that our pilots will arrange the role of a target in the shooting range for terrorists.

And the last. Bye, bye, bye, bye, by debug and distributed ... Bombs will continue to fall. It is logical, we are unlikely to wait until the enemy is armed. There is no knightly tournament, right ...

3. What if you do not want to wait?

To do something is necessary, in any case. If there really is nothing to oppose with this Russian, it’s impossible to beat their planes, then what should any normal commander think?

It seems that any normal field commander should think about saving his life for future battles. And not about how it is heroically and righteously - to spread out brains and insides under the next bombing.

The fact that the brave warriors of ISIS and their comrades-in-arms will look for ways to escape from air strikes is obvious. The question is how they will do it. And we looked at several ways.

1) Go north and rest there. On the one hand, it is quite logical. In the north, Turkey, which, although it provided its airfields to its NATO allies for air strikes, but plays "both yours and ours." Moreover, the Sunnis in Turkey is enough. Turkish Hanafits are the same Sunnis, that is, there are plenty of sympathizers there.

It’s another thing that the Turks didn’t arm and support the co-religionists so that they would later come to sit out. And then, what if they like it? A real refugee from a real igilovtsa can not be distinguished in any way. However, the option is uncertain. But not completely. Even though Erdogan can play games in undercover games, it will be too late to drink Borjomi, but there is someone to pull him up. But, as they say, 50 / 50.

2) Go to that part of Iraq, which is under the control of ISIS. This is definitely not an option, since Iraqi President Talabani also bowed to Putin with a request to help him clean the south of the country from ISIS. And knowing that the president of Russia, how to put it more softly, is poorly predictable, then the show “Russians are coming” can be repeated. But already in Iraq. And then the meaning of a fuss?

3) Remains the most, from our point of view, the filthy option. Militants simply bury the trunks in the near oasis (or in the suburbs, it does not matter), enter the cities where they are supported, and will simply pretend to be hereditary farmers and traders. And many, most likely, will just continue to do what they did before the war, if circumstances allow.

Why is this option the worst? Yes, because it is unlikely that our pilots will bomb settlements. Not Americans after all. And Assad really does not have the strength to thoroughly and systematically sweep the entire territory. Still, the Shiites, on which Asad relies, are fewer in 10 than Sunnis. This is an important aspect.



Probably, it makes no sense to once again focus on the fact that the war in Syria is not just a civil war. This is a religious war. Fighting is not some indefinite supporters of ISIS, who came running from all over the world to Syria, but for the most part are Sunni. Offended by Assad, former supporters of Hussein. And most of them.

To carry out a similar operation, Assad is clearly not capable of. Therefore, with all the support of Russia, Bashar should seriously think about how he will clean the Sunni cities after conducting offensive operations. There will be no doubt that there will be operations, but what the result will be, we have yet to see.

The sky is all for Bashar Assad. But for the land can not be, unfortunately, sure. It’s not even Bashar Assad and his politics, but the fact that the Sunites who oppose him are the most aggressive. Yes, there are fewer Shiites, yes, those who stayed in the Syrian army will fight to the death, because in case of defeat, the death is more painful for them.

But the main message is this: in Syria, everything is just continuing. And the advantage that Russia has given to Assad by its intervention, it is necessary not only not to lose, but also to use it to its fullest.
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  1. noWAR
    noWAR 5 October 2015 06: 04 New
    +70
    Some kind of photo in the article is not very. I will offer another.
    And so the prediction is not things
    grateful may appear a couple of three options. We will wait, in any case, not for long. This is not a prediction. laughing
    1. Babr
      Babr 5 October 2015 06: 13 New
      -166
      HOW TO YOU?
      We are threatened by NATO armaments at our borders, the United States monthly increases its groupings in the Baltic countries, Italian, English and Swedish fighter jets patrol the Russian border, and the Russian elite sends Russian soldiers to Syria, away from its shores. The USA and the European Union impose economic sanctions against Russia, Saudi Arabia dumps in the oil market, making concessions to China, the government of Dmitry A. Medvedev and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation devalues ​​the ruble twice to compensate for the shortfall in budget revenues, and Vladimir Putin calls for unification under flags of the "silk" expansion of China. After the capture of Crimea, carried out with persistent attempts by Israel to prevent the reconstruction of "Crimean California" and the redistribution of property of Donbass .......
      http://mayoripatiev.ru/1443872377
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        1. Buffalo
          Buffalo 5 October 2015 08: 40 New
          +20
          They have already run. Three thousand militants left for Jordan. Six hundred surrendered. They did not wait until they were destroyed from the air by Russian aircraft.
          In an open area, ISIS will not be able to stay, even if they acquire armored vehicles. - The Syrians have extensive and successful experience in using our tanks and anti-tank weapons.
          In Iraq they are already waiting ... So it turns out: wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge. With the exception of the use of cities, with a population, for defense against Assad's advancing army. But there is also a weak spot - the supply of ammunition. If Assad manages to properly use allies from Iran and Iraq, he will succeed.
          If the United States today had planes capable of withstanding our Sukhoi and MiGs, I’m sure that they would immediately take a raid on the airfield in Latakia.
          But, besides airplanes, there is also air defense there. It is unlikely that the Yankees will decide on such a step - there is a great risk of getting big losses, if not a complete defeat, in front of the whole world.
          1. Ramai ramaew
            Ramai ramaew 5 October 2015 09: 05 New
            +25
            Let them run to Saudi Arabia
            1. Buffalo
              Buffalo 5 October 2015 10: 14 New
              +13
              They would not mind. But, it is the masters who decide, not the slaves.
            2. Otshelnik
              Otshelnik 5 October 2015 12: 32 New
              +17
              Pust is better to die with the Saudis !! There will be less Satanists on Earth !!
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 5 October 2015 16: 51 New
                +13
                Quote from the article
                Remains the most ... option. The militants will simply ... enter the cities where they are supported, and will simply pose as hereditary farmers and merchants.
                Enter the Syrian government troops in the city without artillery preparation in no way! The city is the best place to shelter enemy forces and large losses in combat force from the advancing troops.
                Will Syrian government troops agree to bombard Syrian cities with civilians?
                That is the question! Most likely, NO! And gangs will hold MANDATORY civilians in cities, hiding behind them like a shield!
                Therefore, blood from the nose, ADD Gang formation on their way, and even better - on their concentrated group approach to the cities. The effectiveness of destroying the enemy from the air is higher. Yes, and the gangs-thugs themselves will punish the “merit”!
                1. Locksmith
                  Locksmith 5 October 2015 20: 10 New
                  +5
                  a rare snowstorm - the "people who worked" in the troops are very different from the farmers with their "hard-working" hands, and chemistry confirms this without any problems smile
                  1. Garris199
                    Garris199 5 October 2015 22: 45 New
                    +4
                    Offer Syrian troops to go into the city and check his hands?
                    1. aleks 62 next
                      aleks 62 next 6 October 2015 13: 45 New
                      +2
                      .... Offer Syrian troops to go into the city and check his hands? ...

                      ... And why not ???? .... I think that Assad has a lot of special services too .... True it’s long and troublesome .... But it’s necessary ... And then there’s nowhere to rush ... When the "revenge" begins, then others themselves will run to the "European refugees" ....
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                  2. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 7 October 2015 11: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Locksmith
                    chemistry confirms this without any problems

                    does chemistry confirm within ... 3 days, weeks?
                    further powder gases can no longer be recognized ...

                    and then, do you imagine how much such an analysis costs and what capacities are needed for it?
                2. Starley from the south
                  Starley from the south 5 October 2015 23: 08 New
                  +4
                  The terrorists so opposed the civilian population of Syria with their cruelty that in many of the settlements they occupied there were no civilians.
                  1. lukewarm
                    lukewarm 7 October 2015 12: 48 New
                    0
                    Not the fact that there is no more. Not everyone was able to escape. And even if you think so. Any blow to the city will cause such a harmonious howl and choir ....
                3. Sasha1979
                  Sasha1979 7 October 2015 00: 43 New
                  0
                  Yes, with a well-coordinated, competent, stubborn defense in the city, the losses of the advancing can be really big ...
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            3. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 5 October 2015 23: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: Ramai Ramaew
              Let them run to Saudi Arabia

              Syria has no border with the Saudis.
            4. gav6757
              gav6757 7 October 2015 00: 06 New
              0
              There is no reception against scrap, but they have no other scrap!
              But, in general, it’s better to fight there than on your territory ...
          2. vasilkovao
            vasilkovao 5 October 2015 09: 26 New
            +9
            I’m all thinking, but can it really be that our aviation from the air can’t block the ghoul’s exit so that they can kill everyone ... What is the point of calling them to peace, lay down their arms ... Tomorrow they will again start gathering for the Saudis money ... Blame everyone !! !!!!
            1. AlexTires
              AlexTires 5 October 2015 09: 48 New
              +7
              As a rule, local weapons pile up, the rest of the scum + mercenaries either flee or lie down in the sands ... Assad simultaneously carries out political regulation with whom it is possible ... someone puts down weapons, with someone there is a truce, which allows you to transfer forces to other places A theater of war ... it’s worth recognizing that such a policy is quite successful in some places and right ... But the main goal, I think, is to bring out a peaceful man before the offensive in order to avoid unnecessary casualties .. apparently it’s worth waiting for a serious offensive
            2. Locksmith
              Locksmith 5 October 2015 20: 18 New
              +1
              there, as a rule, it’s just rubbish from a military point of view, but the country’s gene pool, albeit stupid, will be destroyed without compromise = very short-sighted, they will always gather according to the experience of guerrilla warfare in Turkestan in 25 years, until they put tight control over their church -It was all useless, only the simultaneous "processing" of the religious community and the propaganda of the necessary information to solve the current problem could "convince" -not even win, Local residents!
          3. mamont5
            mamont5 5 October 2015 11: 42 New
            +9
            In short, "... and we will go north, and we will go north"
            Jackal Tobaccos.
          4. Good me
            Good me 5 October 2015 13: 53 New
            +1
            Yes, on October 5 in the United States they will consider the issue of supplying an ISIS Stinger-type MANPADS. The system has been proven over the years, quite effective, and, most importantly, is simple and well-known throughout the world.

            Igilovites should, in theory, cope. The question is efficiency.


            The question, even, it seems, is not the effectiveness of the Stinger MANPADS with respect to Russian aircraft, but the high probability that the same MANPADS will also shoot down American aircraft in Iraq (of course, unless we introduce, for them, at the request of the Iraqi government , no-fly zone lol ) ...

            The Americans will not take such a step ...

            In the photo, the fall of an American plane shot down by Libyan air defense, when the country was still Libya ...
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 5 October 2015 14: 47 New
              +15
              Quote: Good I
              In the photo, the fall of an American plane shot down by Libyan air defense, when the country was still Libya ...

              But not the Libyan MiG-23 falls on Benghazi ????
            2. fider
              fider 5 October 2015 14: 48 New
              +4
              Good me
              Interestingly, what kind of aircraft does this amer have, not the F-15 and not the F-16? ? Or maybe not in Libya? And not American.
            3. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 5 October 2015 15: 36 New
              +6
              Quote: Good I
              In the photo, the fall of an American plane shot down by Libyan air defense, when the country was still Libya ...

              Where is the American plane in? MiG in the photo ...
            4. lukewarm
              lukewarm 7 October 2015 12: 50 New
              0
              The plane in the photo is already painfully similar to the MiG-23.
          5. sovetskyturist
            sovetskyturist 5 October 2015 22: 38 New
            +1
            They have already run. Three thousand militants left for
            here it is possible to argue to the dumbness, but so far the puppeteers have everything according to plan and probably should not be underestimated
            http://zakonvremeni.ru/publications/25-factological/3352-antikoranicheskaya-stra
            tegiya-zapravil-biblejskogo-proekta.html During the first stage:

            in the Islamic world, regimes committed to Muslim traditionalism and not displaying aggression towards non-believing neighbors are under pressure from the opposition of pseudo-Islamic fundamentalist radicals;
            outside the range of Muslim culture distribution, an image of the enemy is purposefully created, the role of which is assigned to the same pseudo-Islamic fundamentalist radicals who undermine the regimes of Muslim traditionalists and are aggressive towards non-believers.

            The solution to these problems is global terrorism under the guise of al-Qaeda and the "struggle" of the West with it by such methods that in the world of Islam they are perceived as aggression of the West. The latter creates in the world of Islam extras for the pseudo-Islamic radical fundamentalists.
          6. DEfindER
            DEfindER 6 October 2015 15: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: Bison
            With the exception of the use of cities, with a population, for defense against Assad's advancing army.

            I think that the author of the article is exaggerating, talking about the support by the Sunni population of Syria of these scumbags. They are far from being Sunni, this is radical Wahhabism, and first of all they kill precisely Sunite religious figures, so as not to let them tell the truth. And even greater nonsense that Assad relies solely on the Shiite population, in his army most of the Sunnis, who advocate a secular state and not medieval feudalism that are "opposition". Yes, this is a religious conflict, but not of Shiites and Sunnis, but of radicals trying to hide behind Sunni ideology.
            And by the way, do not you think the actions of the Ukrainian authorities and ISIS fanatics in terms of the destruction of monuments are similar?
          7. victor50
            victor50 6 October 2015 17: 50 New
            0
            If the United States today had planes capable of withstanding our Sukhoi and MiGs, I’m sure that they would immediately take a raid on the airfield in Latakia.
            But, besides airplanes, there is also air defense there. It is unlikely that the Yankees will decide on such a step - there is a great risk of getting big losses, if not a complete defeat, in front of the whole world. [/ Quote]
            Their airplanes are no worse than ours, but there is nothing to compare in terms of quantity - the benefit has been "friends" with them for more than 20 years and has been reduced. But the fear of getting an answer from poplars, the governor and yars definitely stops them. As soon as they find the opportunity to neutralize them, they will attack.
          8. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 7 October 2015 11: 38 New
            0
            the use of cities has another obvious drawback - neighbors ...
            1. if people stayed in the cities during ISIS, then it’s not at all a fact that they sympathize with them, rather they just didn’t have time to get out or there was nothing ...
            2. ISIS rule people will remember, and they are unlikely to like it ...
            3. they will remember not only ISIS itself, but also people who sympathized with it or sided with it (most likely there will be real insults in the form of murdered relatives) ...
            4. they’ll not only remember, but will gladly surrender to the very first troops who come to the city, and it doesn’t matter whether this is the army of Assad or Hazball ... the east is a delicate matter ...
            5. and if Assad also offers a reward, it will be, as it was in Chechnya ...
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      2. Moore
        Moore 5 October 2015 07: 27 New
        +39
        Dear Babr, citing this opus, what do you propose?
        The term "point of application of force" was not coined today. The Germans at one time it was called the "davit".
        If now there is a struggle around the world for energy, what is surprising in the fact that Russia defends its interests mainly not in the swamps of the Baltic states, but in the Syrian deserts?
        Syria - this is our kind of "davit". It will fall - the domino effect is provided ...
        1. Babr
          Babr 5 October 2015 07: 59 New
          -52
          Quote: Moore
          Dear Babr

          Well, which Fil743 does not even deserve an answer, a bouncer.
          I will answer you.
          Dear Moore.
          Spraying your powers with your bare ass is not only not smart, it's criminal.
          And the naked ass is there. All finances are subordinated to the FRS. Cut the fence, and she will be exposed. Of course they will not block it. Interested parties are interested in Russian cannon fodder.
          Quote: Moore
          If now there is a struggle around the world for energy, what is surprising in the fact that Russia defends its interests mainly not in the swamps of the Baltic states, but in the Syrian deserts?

          That's right. There are no more of our own, we will explore the Syrian deserts.
          It reminds me of something. Oh yes!
          Our grandfathers and fathers, mastered the vastness of Russia, and these works, appropriated by crooks overnight.
          I do not say this from the point of view of crooks (they will receive theirs) from the point of view of the people.
          What will people get from this?
          1. vasilkovao
            vasilkovao 5 October 2015 09: 33 New
            +34
            The people and your children and wife will get a quiet life and will not be afraid that Sharia will be the norm in the CIS and in our Caucasus .. Think narrowly, dear Babr !!! In this situation, it’s necessary to vibrate the lesser of five evils ... I’ll go with my bare ass to protect my relatives, and not with cover, shaking that your loved ones are in danger !!! They will cut officials, strengthen the FSB, and survive the rest. We survived in the 90s and our naked ass isn’t scary !!!
            1. Babr
              Babr 5 October 2015 09: 55 New
              -23
              Quote: vasilkovao
              The people and your children and wife will get a quiet life and will not be afraid that Sharia will be the norm in the CIS and in our Caucasus .. Think narrowly, dear Babr !!! In this situation, it’s necessary to vibrate the lesser of five evils ... I’ll go with my bare ass to protect my relatives, and not with cover, shaking that your loved ones are in danger !!! They will cut officials, strengthen the FSB, and survive the rest. We survived in the 90s and our naked ass isn’t scary !!!


              Well, what can I tell you, dear Andrey?
              Not only you, but I’ll go to protect (even with a bare ass) to protect my children and my people. But I will not let my children protect the interests of crooks who robbed our country with you, and I don’t advise you hi
              1. dmb
                dmb 5 October 2015 10: 37 New
                -22
                Greetings Victor. Your comment is a voice crying in the wilderness. Until. Sobering will come sooner or later. After all, jubilant, waving crowds with flags read only the first part of the article by Roman, and they simply did not pay attention to the third variant (the most realistic one) described by him. Well, he does not like them. And at least one of these "wise men" tried to explain to himself. How air strikes can prevent the infiltration of terrorists into our territory. And this is despite the fact that our heroic General Staff has already reported how the terrorists already mentioned scatter in neighboring countries. At the same time, these same "wise men" could explain why this China is not soaring? To its borders is also not so far, but it does not soar and that's it.
                1. Babr
                  Babr 5 October 2015 11: 31 New
                  -22
                  Greetings Dima. I think a hangover is not far off. It was with Ukraine, it will be with Syria. Well, with Ukraine, it was easier to shake off the noodles we were hanging on. It’s nearby.
                  Communication was directly with eyewitnesses.
                  Now they will hang spaghetti, which will be difficult to brush away.
                  One way out is to listen to media independent analysts. And I expected such an effect from the comments. Let them have some fun. They will raise the rating. Cardboard.
                  Quote: dmb
                  Greetings Victor
                  1. dgiguli1962
                    dgiguli1962 5 October 2015 12: 37 New
                    +12
                    Do not tell the address of independent media.
                    1. Babr
                      Babr 5 October 2015 13: 22 New
                      -1
                      Quote: dgiguli1962
                      Do not tell the address of independent media.

                      I will not tell you.

                      Quote: Babr
                      One way, listen to media independents

                      Attentive hi Read it carefully.
                      1. cuzmin.mihail2013
                        cuzmin.mihail2013 7 October 2015 18: 02 New
                        0
                        Would you announce at least a few. And we will consider why they are independent ...
                    2. bondarencko
                      bondarencko 6 October 2015 14: 55 New
                      +1
                      What are "independent" from?
                  2. anti-Semite
                    anti-Semite 5 October 2015 17: 22 New
                    +4
                    that is, Ukrainians didn’t burn good people alive on her knives, didn’t scream in Chechnya, didn’t fight and didn’t want to drive our people out of Crimea, but is this all Kremlin propaganda?
                  3. NordUral
                    NordUral 6 October 2015 12: 54 New
                    +3
                    You are our friend, but some not nashenny. And speak beautifully as if you are.
                  4. nickoil
                    nickoil 8 October 2015 06: 12 New
                    +1
                    Good afternoon. I could not comment on the “independent media.” Here in the UAE, where I am, I read any press: 50 percent “bloody children and killed peaceful Syrians” (Great Britain). 20 percent “we are very concerned about the presence of the Russian Federation in Syria "(USA) .30 percent" ISIS is the enemy of all Muslims, the Russian Federation is not our friend, but Russia is the best cure for a headache ... "Which of them is an" independent press "? There is no" independent press "in the world. But they can all if sponsors allow, tell the TRUTH! Now in this "mess", oddly enough, the Russian version of the hostilities in Syria is the most informed and truthful. For comparison, read the English newspapers.
                  5. nickoil
                    nickoil 8 October 2015 06: 12 New
                    0
                    Good afternoon. I could not comment on the “independent media.” Here in the UAE, where I am, I read any press: 50 percent “bloody children and killed peaceful Syrians” (Great Britain). 20 percent “we are very concerned about the presence of the Russian Federation in Syria "(USA) .30 percent" ISIS is the enemy of all Muslims, the Russian Federation is not our friend, but Russia is the best cure for a headache ... "Which of them is an" independent press "? There is no" independent press "in the world. But they can all if sponsors allow, tell the TRUTH! Now in this "mess", oddly enough, the Russian version of the hostilities in Syria is the most informed and truthful. For comparison, read the English newspapers.
                2. larand
                  larand 5 October 2015 12: 09 New
                  +19
                  Quote: dmb
                  After all, the jubilant, flag-waving crowds read only the first part of Roman's article


                  Dear, where did you see the jubilant crowds waving flags? You may not like something, but be objective, or else "crowds, sages, heroic general staff." This is not an adult.
                  1. dmb
                    dmb 5 October 2015 14: 18 New
                    -8
                    And read carefully the comments and see the assessment of the General Staff on all channels. Do you think that this is really a sober analyst? Then specify in which of them I could get an answer to the questions posed, in particular regarding the destruction of the bandits that had left the territory of Jordan by the aircraft? Or is there a firm belief that only those losses that will not return to us will go there?
                    1. larand
                      larand 5 October 2015 15: 45 New
                      +8
                      Quote: dmb
                      And read carefully the comments and see the assessments of the activities of the General Staff on all channels.


                      Evaluate the activities of the General Staff on verbiage on media channels ????? This is something new in military science. Well, the comments are naturally different, how many of us have so many opinions. Tyrnet he is tyrnet. Do not take it so seriously and boil. After all, they cannot all think only because you, dear
                      1. dmb
                        dmb 5 October 2015 16: 22 New
                        -2
                        That is, the representative of the General Staff with the rank of general deals with verbiage on the federal channel, announcing the departure of terrorists in Europe? As for the various comments, unlike the authors of some of them, I don’t propose to throw them out of the country. Moreover, I urge them to speak, but the truth is not in the style: “Hooray, we all broke.” There is such a sinner behind me, I do not like screamers and do not hide it.
                      2. larand
                        larand 5 October 2015 17: 57 New
                        +8
                        Quote: dmb
                        That is, the representative of the General Staff in the rank of general is engaged in verbiage on the federal channel, claiming the departure of terrorists in Europe?

                        Dear, do not distort. You wrote about the assessment of the activities of the General Staff in the media. The general you decided to refer to did not evaluate the General Staff on the federal channel, but only gave information about what was happening in the battle. Assessment may be given by Rain, Echo of Moscow, the Air Force, etc. analysts. Your bias in the majority except exclusion will not cause anything
                      3. dmb
                        dmb 5 October 2015 19: 03 New
                        -6
                        Well, rather, dear (without irony) in this case, you distort you. Did the General Staff, by giving the mouth of its representative, assess the effectiveness of air strikes and claiming that the terrorists had fled to neighboring countries, lying? I did not say we have a smart General Staff or stupid? I said that his activity in this case to Russia is more detrimental than good. And so from the mind, or from the dope, the second question. Arguments why I came to the conclusion. what's the harm in the comments from 15: 15. Do you have objections on their merits? ready to listen to them.
                      4. Starley from the south
                        Starley from the south 5 October 2015 23: 23 New
                        +4
                        Quote: dmb
                        Arguments why I came to the conclusion that. which is harmful, in a comment from 15: 15. Do you have an objection on their merits? ready to listen to them.

                        Arguments can’t help here, dear. Against any argument, another, no less convincing, argument can be made. Your arguments are convincing for you, but not for everyone, because you have different values. And as I understand it, you are not striving to consider the problem in general, but are fond of in particular. All these are words, words, words.
                      5. larand
                        larand 6 October 2015 07: 11 New
                        +5
                        Quote: dmb
                        I didn’t say whether our General Staff is smart or stupid? I said that his activities in this case, Russia is more to the detriment than to the advantage.


                        You wrote that the General Staff is heroic, obviously this is your sarcasm. Well, I think you can’t afford to assess the harm or benefit from its activities. To paraphrase one character, "you have the wrong system grenades."
              2. ZKB
                ZKB 5 October 2015 19: 49 New
                +3
                the terrorist to the discord. while the heap is a flock, when one at a time, jackals. the purpose of the bombing is the destruction of the infrastructure of the isles in Syria, the demoralization of supporters, the destruction of command centers, fire weapons and equipment. no one said that our pilots would overtake every terrorist, but to destroy the flock is real, and they will finish the jackals on earth sooner or later. And also, dear, have you ever been under bombing, and when you can’t do anything and don’t know how and where it will hit ??? after something like that and not hunting
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              4. tracker
                tracker 6 October 2015 11: 02 New
                +2
                it’s you who carefully listen to the analytics of the General Staff, strikes are delivered not against specific crowds of militants, but against the infrastructure and CP, and do not state your fantasies
              5. NordUral
                NordUral 6 October 2015 12: 57 New
                +1
                Yes, many hats were thrown to the sky in vain, but things are going on, enthusiasm will decrease, sober assessment of victories and mistakes will come. But the main thing is that the time has come for decisions.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 6 October 2015 12: 55 New
              0
              Why - this is an adult trick lying.
          2. anderles66
            anderles66 5 October 2015 14: 13 New
            +21
            I doubt that you really think so. So, having read about the crowds of jubilant people, I can just as well say that there are still a bunch of degenerates who do not reverently revel in their informed caution. In my opinion, the General Staff is still not yours. Like the country. And now my thoughts are about doubts and arguments.
            1. I would like that in addition to fierce criticism against, at least some options for action would be proposed. But, it seems, we will not wait. As in a joke - I can’t head the government, I have to dig potatoes.
            2. I am absolutely sure that if an airstrike is inflicted on a warehouse, camp and command post, then this is not just the destruction of several huts, but a completely definite damage to both manpower and equipment. And in the last two cases, I hope, and the command. In addition, high-quality air strikes are not political information for you, this is a very specific psychological impact.
            3. If at least you are interested in something other than narcissism, tell us in a nutshell, what are the successes of the coalition of 60 states headed by the USA? Well, offhand.
            4. The operation in Syria is designed not only (and not so much - IMHO) to kill more bad people, but to restore order in a certain region. Including - regarding oil export. Whether it is good or bad (rather bad, but such is mudflow), but oil determines a lot in the world. Including - this is a source of funding and IG and others adhered to the process, including Turkey and the United States. The flow of free money will disappear, and fanatics and other sympathizers will disappear.
            5. As for China. From the border of Syria to the border of China - 3 thousand km. To the Russian Federation from Syria - 700-800 km, depending on how you measure. Plus, such a factor as Turkey, on whose territory there are militant training camps, and this is already about 300 km. The fact that it does not steam at all is you in vain (one of the links http://rusplt.ru/world/knr-protiv-islamskogo--gosudarstva-19082.html), this is exclusively your vision. There is no military involvement yet, but for some reason, the Syrians thank China. Probably because they know more than you.
            1. dmb
              dmb 5 October 2015 15: 15 New
              -9
              Well, let's order. Leave aside the personal assessment. but we betray the estimated objective. That the General Staff in this case is “not mine” will not even argue. for he protects the interests of those. who owns oil in our country. If you believe that you remain further in the holy ignorance. I want to draw your attention to the fact that in no speech of our wise leader there are any appeals to organize an embargo on the purchase of oil from bandits. But this is a much more tangible blow to their pseudo-state than the bombing of a warehouse with ammunition. However, the states you mentioned will refuse the embargo, then this is a plus for us. You can always put a finger in them. By the way, destruction during the same bombing of wells would also bring more benefits. Let me remind you once again of the report of the same General Staff on the mass departure of militants to Europe and Jordan. Will you bomb them there too? Apparently not. So the declared benefits of the bombing of Russia are ephemeral, and the destruction of the bandits will still be on our territory. I leave the "successes" of the Western coalition without comment due to the fact that I don’t recall my laudatory comments about them. As for China, your paragraph 5 only confirms the correctness of my comment. He is not engaged in bombing. and does his own thing, incl. and our hands. I am ready to listen to your objections, but preferably essentially without mentioning "State Department paid agents who are drawing evil hands to a bright image ...", and so on.
              1. Vanko
                Vanko 5 October 2015 15: 22 New
                +4
                Quote: dmb
                I want to draw your attention to the fact that in no speech of our wise leader there are calls for organizing an embargo on the purchase of oil from bandits.


                And whom should he be called upon? What's the point? A couple of bombs to the wells and there’s nothing to buy from anyone. That's all embargo.
                1. dmb
                  dmb 5 October 2015 15: 37 New
                  0
                  So do not bomb the same. Does this mean anything to you?
                2. Starley from the south
                  Starley from the south 5 October 2015 23: 31 New
                  +4
                  So, dear, ISIS wells in Iraq!
                  Quote: dmb
                  So do not bomb the same. Does this mean anything to you?

                  Iraq will send an official request to strike ISIS in its territory, then they will bomb it.
            2. Jan Ivanov
              Jan Ivanov 5 October 2015 15: 26 New
              +4
              "I want to draw your attention to the fact that in no speech of our wise leader there are calls for organizing an embargo on the purchase of oil from bandits."
              Sense to prohibit what will be done anyway? Those who stand behind them do so informally. This is the same as suggesting from a high rostrum not to buy American drugs from Afghanistan. And who will become fools? Who organized them, he buys oil from them for nothing. Business, nothing personal. And why did they start all this? For the idea, or what?
            3. Arkon
              Arkon 5 October 2015 19: 42 New
              +3
              I want to draw your attention to the fact that in no speech of our wise leader there are calls for organizing an embargo on the purchase of oil from bandits.


              Strange statement. Perhaps you have heard from "our wise leader" calls for an increase in oil prices on the world market or a call for rain in July - the year has already been too firey in Russia. Have you heard?
              The call "on the organization of the embargo" from the same opera.

              But, probably, you had in mind the actual actions to block the supply of "terrorist" oil. So?
              If so, why do you think that:
              1. No such action
              2. Such actions are necessary in the current situation, taking into account, for example, a sharp reduction in shale wells in the USA and the actual near death of this business. Perhaps we need low prices?
              But, without terrorists. Therefore, as an option, we leave smuggling (for now!), Destroy the terrorists.
              What do you think?
              1. dmb
                dmb 5 October 2015 20: 50 New
                -2
                And what is its strangeness? Sorry, of course, but your assumptions also do not contain a justification and remain just assumptions. And p.2. generally contrary to reality. Do we need low oil prices in a commodity economy? Then what is the Guarantor, the Government and and the masses of the people have been crying for a month about its fall and urging people to pry something up. Do not be offended, but p. 1 strongly resembles the dialogue from the film "DMB": "Do you see a gopher, no? And he is." In addition, your item 1 is complete. contradicts p. 2. You have not forgotten that the proceeds from smuggling are not Russia, but bandits. I have already voiced the benefit for Russia from the open declaration of the embargo, but I can repeat it. Turkey’s public rejection of the embargo automatically puts it in accomplices of bandits. and clearly puts, not unfounded. But Turkey does not care about world opinion
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 5 October 2015 21: 07 New
                +5
                Quote: dmb
                I have already voiced the benefit for Russia from the vow of the embargo, but I can repeat it. The public refusal of the same Turkey from the embargo automatically puts it in the hands of bandits. and evidence-based, not unfounded. And Turkey does not care about world opinion

                Well, damn it ..

                You are not a diplomat or politician. And not the President of the Russian Federation. And not even MO.

                That is, the information that the listed categories of persons possess does not knowingly.

                Nevertheless, you undertake to advise the above, how they better do their job.

                Are you a surgeon who (God forbid) will remove your appendix, will also advise? Hardly well, yes?

                And here people do things a little more complicated than removing the appendix .. where are you, sorry, climbing something?
              3. dmb
                dmb 6 October 2015 08: 45 New
                -4
                And what if yes (well, of course, except for the last two), how do you know from where? You would have decided the bar like that. And then one demands to stop criticizing and issue specific proposals, the second sentence rejects only on the grounds that "the big giraffe knows better." And if the "giraffe" is no other, even if it does not have the most secret information? Or the "giraffe" is concerned only with the other "giraffes", and the weeping cattle is only interested in consumables. This option is not intended? Greatly happy with your optimism. True disappointment may well overtake you in the near future, when the "giraffes" need even more personal income.
            4. Arkon
              Arkon 5 October 2015 22: 19 New
              +2
              In addition, your item 1 is complete. contrary to clause 2


              Well, actually, yes. smile
              These are two different assumptions. Which of them is true and whether at least one of them is true, I do not know, like you. And, not a data name, I can easily justify anyone of my choice. But having received the data, I’m inclined to one of, or put forward another.

              A clause 2. generally contrary to reality Do we need a low oil price in a commodity economy?


              Come on. smile
              Nobody in the world needs money. What is needed is money. Or something else. If we can achieve the stability of the country's international position due to low oil prices, then why do we need high prices?
              Apparently you did not understand what I wrote about the shales (this is just an option, there are many of them) or did not want to understand.

              You have not forgotten that the proceeds of smuggling are not received by Russia., But by bandits.


              You have a strange way of cladding controversial statements in a categorical form. Well, imagine, you drag cement on the construction of a house, and in the garden the mouse eats leftover food from your table. Of course, the mouse lives at the expense of you and, in principle, it needs to be destroyed, otherwise it will get to the reserves for the winter, however, at the moment, you are not up to it - if only you would not climb onto the table and interfere with the construction . And then hands will reach her.
              This is strange - that obvious things to any adult have to be explained.
            5. dmb
              dmb 6 October 2015 08: 35 New
              -1
              That is, you want to say that oil is in the territory. controlled by gangsters mines Russia. or that the bandits produce oil in its interests, and not in their own? Well, this is too much. I will not argue about the controversial statements. But my statements are based on at least some information. Logical confirmation of your (do not be offended), I did not see. Try to start to justify your thesis about the stability of the international position of the country by reducing the price of oil, which is not a subject for discussion.
          3. Yngvar
            Yngvar 6 October 2015 14: 14 New
            0
            Well, where are our denunchers of the "forces of evil"? Where is the information war? Or is the time not yet come?
      3. anderles66
        anderles66 7 October 2015 09: 18 New
        0
        Sorry, your proposal to discuss something I will refuse. Anyway, bye. You right and left hang labels, use fraudulent methods of dialogue and at the same time invite to the discussion? For starters, what does "who owns oil" have to do with it? Whoever it belongs to is an essential factor in our (and not only ours) economy. That's what I wrote about. What is your argument? Further: "remain in holy ignorance." Presumably, this phrase means that it is you who know the truth, and all who are not with you are idiots? How do you want to discuss something with such dialogue techniques? MORE: "our wise leader." Did you write me and others into a certain community of adherents of the "wise leader"? Why on earth? And from the context of your own phrase comes the message that the leader is not at all wise and for you he is definitely not a leader. Those. are you smarter a priori? Now about the statements and the embargo. if you follow your logic, is it enough to ban ISIS from trading in oil? After all, it is they who are selling it. And, yes, should Turkey be banned from buying? But Turkey will say - yes, we are for banning the purchase of oil from ISIS, but will continue to buy. And do you seriously think that “poking a finger” will be very effective? I will use your message - remain in holy ignorance. As for the wells, from my point of view, the bombardment of the well is much more expensive than its restoration. Now about the General Staff. So is it true that after three days of strikes, some of the militants fled? Well, yes or no. in the first case there is only one problem - the General Staff is lying, but no militants are threatening us (well, because they do not scatter). In the second case, the fact is obvious - only the actions of Russia led to some kind of result. And in this, the latter case, the primary goal is achieved - restoring order in Syria. So the declared benefit corresponds to the achieved benefit. Returning to the embargo, I note that restoring order in Syria (plus, undoubtedly in the north of Iraq) is one hundred times more effective than talking about the embargo from any rostrum. By the way, and if you declare a ban on terrorist financing, will it be as effective as a declaration of embargo?
      4. anderles66
        anderles66 7 October 2015 09: 18 New
        +2
        Now for the coalition. But you still comment. To begin with - 62 states participating in the coalition are also everything, like the leadership of Russia? Or is there still logic and reason for their airstrikes? And the second question should also be asked - and what is the true goal of the coalition if during its actions the territory controlled by ISIS only increased? Why didn't the coalition bomb the wells? Why are terrorist training camps located on the territory of coalition countries? 7 No, well, the truth, there are a lot of questions, even if you accept your point of view that Russia's actions are wrong. And one simple - and what you need (was) to do? Now for China. No, it does not confirm. Let me remind you that you claimed that Syria is as close to China as Russia is, but China is not involved in the conflict. I showed you with numbers that this is a false statement, but you only saw your truth. By the way, to be completely objective, the distance to those places where China has important objects is even greater. And what is the argument - “doing its own thing”? What are the things you mentioned related to Syria, i.e. to the issue under discussion? China's non-participation in the bombing? This, presumably, is an argument against Russia7 It is somehow strange. And I remind you that it was China that applied the veto against actual aggression in Syria. From my point of view, this veto alone is worth a lot. And the last: "paid agents" will disappear only when the "jubilant crowds" disappear. Or here - did I really write about some kind of "bright image"? Why do you ascribe to me what was not? And because it’s so convenient for you to ascribe thoughts and opinions. Try, prove that it is not. And if you do not prove it, then - a sucker. This is what I call fraud. Do you agree with your “ally,” who claims that “they will soon see the light” (in any case, you had no objections)? And do you seriously invite to some kind of objectivity? No, thank you. Learn to abide by your own rules and then dialogue will be possible.
      5. cuzmin.mihail2013
        cuzmin.mihail2013 7 October 2015 18: 16 New
        0
        Let's say you have a car. You were offered a barrel of gas for the price of four. Will you refuse? ...
        1. cuzmin.mihail2013
          cuzmin.mihail2013 7 October 2015 20: 35 New
          0
          And if there are four, for the price - one! ...
    2. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 5 October 2015 23: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: anderles66
      There is no military involvement yet, but for some reason, the Syrians thank China. Probably because they know more than you.

      Do you happen to know why the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaolin arrived in Syria? Would it be nice if they joined in the air strikes? Or do they expect a different role?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 5 October 2015 23: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Starley from the South
        Do you happen to know why the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaolin arrived in Syria?

        And what, he arrived there? belay

        Read less file .. and life will get better yes

        Quote: http://topwar.ru/83385--pekin-ne-posylal-k-beregam-sirii-avianosec-lyaonin.html
        "Kommersant": Beijing did not send to the shores of Syria aircraft carrier "Liaoning"

        ... the Chinese military put it more specifically. “These are pure rumors. China could not send warships to Syria to support one of the parties to the conflict. China’s position is to enable the Syrian people to decide their own future, ”said Zhang Junshae, professor of the PLA Naval Academy.

        "In the region of North Africa and the Middle East, there is the" Detachment 152 "of the Chinese naval forces, but there are no aircraft carriers in it," the professor explained. - Usually it is used to protect maritime traffic from pirates, but now is on a round-the-world tour. The detachment did indeed pass through the Suez Canal on September 22 to get to the Baltic through the Mediterranean.
  2. anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 5 October 2015 17: 34 New
    +1
    those who die there will not come here, didn’t come up with such an option?
  3. Jack-b
    Jack-b 6 October 2015 08: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: dmb
    how airstrikes can prevent terrorists from entering our territory. And this despite the fact that our heroic General Staff has already reported how the mentioned terrorists are already running in packs to neighboring countries.

    Airstrikes do not impede the penetration of terrorists but the proliferation of the terrorist movement. Fighting two thousand terrorists who infiltrated the territory of the country is easier than fighting a hundred thousand. Although this is a rather crude explanation. More precisely, an overgrown ISIS actively sponsors radical cells around the world, including and in our country. Airstrikes will destroy their infrastructure in Syria and the revenue base of stolen oil. Which in turn will drastically reduce their ability to finance terrorist cells in our country.
  4. bondarencko
    bondarencko 6 October 2015 14: 53 New
    -4
    Then stir your convolutions when in the elections you vote for candy wrappers and the promises of “patriots” from EP.
  5. Dart2027
    Dart2027 6 October 2015 19: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: dmb
    And at least one of these "wise men" tried to explain to himself. How air strikes can prevent the penetration of terrorists into our territory.

    And if we allow this ... to tear Syria up and, due to its resources, including human resources, to move even closer to our borders, then this will certainly prevent the appearance of terrorists on our territory.
  • RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 5 October 2015 10: 57 New
    +11
    You are offended by something in this country ... there is a good offer SUITCASE-STATION -... the choice is huge, someone is holding you ??? Whiner
    1. dmb
      dmb 5 October 2015 11: 39 New
      -10
      Apparently, my dear, your proposal came to both of us. I hasten to disappoint you. For you, the country is "this", for us "our". Therefore, we will remain, and perhaps you will too, for you will soon wiser. But those villains who for the sake of their own dough and vanity, and not for the sake of the Motherland, are ready to sacrifice the lives of their compatriots will fly out of it, and many even without suitcases.
      1. Babr
        Babr 5 October 2015 12: 06 New
        -21
        Dima, do not be like these pads. They do not have their own thoughts. We sometimes do not understand each other. But this is our I.
        In my comments I slip the pros, and I'm satisfied. Not everything is lost.
        And the rest do not interest me.
        1. dmb
          dmb 5 October 2015 12: 13 New
          -13
          God forbid me (I'm talking about "gaskets"). But they should not be forgotten. And then, if you don't moan their muzzle in their own stupidity, they will try to die for the "Father-King." Yes, and it would be okay, otherwise they will push others there.
          1. Babr
            Babr 5 October 2015 12: 16 New
            -14
            Quote: dmb
            "). But they should not be forgotten. And

            Maybe you're right. hiYes, and not so many.
          2. Varyag_1973
            Varyag_1973 5 October 2015 15: 53 New
            +11
            Gentlemen dmb and babr, I have a feeling that gozman and Nadezhdin are hiding under your nicknames, very familiar rhetoric! You tell us more about pensioners, about those who would get the money for which they are now bombing Syria ...!

            And yes, you are a minority! If you don’t like something, suggest specifics, but no, as you already wrote: SUITCASE-STATION -....., choose the direction yourself!
          3. dmb
            dmb 5 October 2015 16: 27 New
            -6
            And you always seem to be exclusively with the "majority." It is worth recalling that Gozman and Nadezhdin mentioned by you were also in the majority, moreover in the front row. I remember they all shouted "Yeltsin, Yeltsin." You then, too, with this "majority" were ?.
          4. Varyag_1973
            Varyag_1973 5 October 2015 16: 47 New
            +13
            For dmb. No, I wasn’t, you know, under socialism, he was brought up and always was for the Communists, not those who Zyuganov and the company and not those who sold the country under the tagged and drunk, but for normal ordinary communists, like my grandfather!

            And by the way, most are written without quotes, simply because they are most, even if you don't like it! The fact that the policy of the incumbent president is supported by 80 percent of the population seems to be very embarrassing for you ?! Yes, you definitely gozman ...!
          5. dmb
            dmb 5 October 2015 18: 49 New
            -4
            Well, if you feel relief from this, for your sake I am Gozman, although you should think a neurologist. At the same time, he can help you understand yourself and understand how a communist, even if only by conviction, can admire a defender of the interests of big business, no matter what rating he has.
          6. dmb
            dmb 5 October 2015 18: 49 New
            0
            Well, if you feel relief from this, for your sake I am Gozman, although you should think a neurologist. At the same time, he can help you understand yourself and understand how a communist, even if only by conviction, can admire a defender of the interests of big business, no matter what rating he has.
          7. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 5 October 2015 23: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: dmb
            Well, if you feel relief from this, for your sake I am Gozman, although you should think a neurologist. At the same time, he can help you understand yourself and understand how a communist, even if only by conviction, can admire a defender of the interests of big business, no matter what rating he has.

            Dear, why are there so many words? They would say in a simple way: "Everything is gone, boss! There is no one to work with!" ... and everything would become clear to everyone, do you want clarity for everyone?
          8. dmb
            dmb 6 October 2015 08: 22 New
            -2
            And could you more intelligibly explain the connection between mine and your comment. No matter how hard I try, I cannot understand the flight of your thought.
  • kush62
    kush62 5 October 2015 13: 47 New
    +18
    Babr
    Well, what can I tell you, dear Andrey?
    Not only you, but I’ll go to protect (even with a bare ass) to protect my children and my people. But I will not let my children protect the interests of crooks who robbed our country with you, and I don’t advise you

    You are theoretically right. But how to separate these 2 types of protection?
    One shot at enemies for themselves and for relatives. And the second for crooks in the air.
    In 1812, the people went to war with the French. But in those days there was no freedom at all. Princes, bar, counts, priests, etc. They did not go to support the tsarist autocracy, to defend their homeland.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 5 October 2015 14: 06 New
      -4
      Quote: kush62
      Princes, bar, counts, priests, etc. They didn’t go to support the tsarist autocracy.

      Excluding priests, this is one estate, nothing surprising
  • anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 5 October 2015 17: 31 New
    +9
    that is, if tomorrow abrams will travel across our land, will you go out with bread and salt to meet the deliverers of RYZHYM? during the Second World War, there were also those who served the Germans motivating this by not agreeing with Stalin’s policies
    1. phantom
      phantom 6 October 2015 20: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: anti-Semite
      during the Second World War, there were also those who served the Germans motivating this by not agreeing with Stalin’s policies


      And not only then.

      “Avtonom Petrovich knocked on his neighbor Gerasim Leontyevich. He, not yet dressed, looked out the open door:
      - What happened?
      Pointing at the arsenals of the Red Army marching with rifles, Avtonom Petrovich winked at a friend:
      - They leave.
      Gerasim Leontyevich looked at him with concern:
      - You do not know what signs the Poles have?
      “It seems the one-headed eagle.”
      - Where to get it?
      Autonomously Petrovich scratched his head in embittance.
      “They have nothing,” he said after some thought, “they took and left.” And here you are racking your brains, how to adapt to the new government. "

      Such usually the most zealous patriots, and as a rule, always support the existing government.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 6 October 2015 19: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Babr
    but I’ll go to defend (even with a bare ass) to protect my children and my people. But to protect the interests of crooks who robbed our country with you, I won’t let my children

    And how are you going to convince bandits with machine guns that they should only touch crooks, and your children should not?
  • RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 5 October 2015 10: 55 New
    +5
    You are a very good teenage analyst but no more, WITH MINUS ON LIFE ---)))
  • Jack-b
    Jack-b 5 October 2015 13: 38 New
    +11
    Quote: Babr
    Spraying your powers with your bare ass is not only not smart, it's criminal.
    And the naked ass is there. All finances are subordinated to the FRS. Cut the fence, and she will be exposed.

    Where is the ass naked? How are finances "subordinated" to the Fed? And how do you suppose "overlapping krantik" is possible. In my opinion, these are all allegations that have nothing to do with reality.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 5 October 2015 21: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Jack-B
      Where is the ass naked? How are finances "subordinated" to the Fed? And how do you suppose "overlapping krantik" is possible

      The right questions .. he repeatedly asked them. And he answered them.

      Unfortunately, most likely no one will answer you. This is already in people in ROM flashed sad
  • Locksmith
    Locksmith 5 October 2015 20: 23 New
    +1
    [quote = Babr] And the naked ass is there. All finances are subordinated to the FRS. Cut the fence, and she will be bare. Of course they will not block it. Interested parties are interested in Russian cannon fodder [quote] [/. and nevertheless, the “ass” is putting on armor more and more laughing , quote]
  • vasilkovao
    vasilkovao 5 October 2015 09: 24 New
    +8
    Yes, that's exactly it! But there is simply no other option !!!!! Or do you think it’s right to sit as an observer, wait for these ghouls to go to Asia ??? In Kazakhstan, they are “shutting down” packs of these creatures, our FSBs are waging an all-out war with them in our country ... And here we are fixated on air patrols of our borders ... We have the most powerful air defense in the world ... Let the state slabs burn fuel at our borders as much as they need .. And we must not forget that the water to our borders from Syria is 600 km in total ... And our base is there, and these are our borders. So no panic !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Will
    Will 5 October 2015 11: 25 New
    +6
    D..mo and only you wrote. Events in Syria - a show by the same USA - Russia is not without its “teeth”, which means it’s not worth it to “run into”. They want the United States to be, do not touch the Russians. Only stupid people can accept peace for weakness. And who said there are a lot of smart people in the US? Tricky? Yes. Vile? Yes. But how far can one advance in life through cunning and meanness? For the time being, for the time being - yes, until patience bursts at the TRUTH.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 5 October 2015 12: 10 New
    +2
    Do not kiss! Everything's under control.
    Those lice and flies that you mentioned are dispersed with one spit into the sky.
    But the bear & government must be forced to do what most of the Russian population wants. And this is also feasible.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 5 October 2015 13: 03 New
    +11
    Quote: Babr
    After the capture of the Crimea,


    Only for these words can one be blamed to death. But the question arose, which citizen of the country is hiding behind the flag of the Soviet Union?
    If Russia, then why not in London? If Ukraine, look better for yourself and the state of your country, otherwise, after half a year, you wouldn’t have to ride in the spin saying that who doesn’t skip Russia will not feed)))
  • Jack-b
    Jack-b 5 October 2015 13: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Babr
    HOW TO YOU?

    Standard liberal nagging is far from always reflecting reality. And for what purpose is the attack?
  • python2a
    python2a 5 October 2015 14: 35 New
    +1
    Looking at the effective use of our aircraft in Syria, tea will take a deep thought at the adversaries rattling weapons at our borders.
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  • anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 5 October 2015 17: 32 New
    +1
    "capture of the Crimea"? How can you capture your own?
  • 34 region
    34 region 5 October 2015 22: 15 New
    +2
    Nifigase hook! belay Already minus one hundred! You can envy! A negative result is also a result!
  • miss
    miss 6 October 2015 15: 06 New
    0
    Dear Babr! With such an "Avatar" - such reasoning! They explained to you that "there will be no second 41 years," and I would add that there will not be 1905 either. What a hysteria ?! And if Nicholas II pursued a policy, including military, on the "far frontiers", we would not have heard such tantrums now!
  • Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 6 October 2015 19: 10 New
    0
    Bubr (2) SU  Yesterday, 06:13 ↑

    HOW TO YOU?
    We are threatened by NATO weapons in our .....

    Cool, man!
    You are almost banned (zamusunuyut). Your only fault is that you asked only one question "HOW DO YOU?", and you were bombarded at once.

    PS. That's what happens in life. It is possible (without understanding) to make shit out of good, but it is possible and vice versa.
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  • ssergn
    ssergn 5 October 2015 08: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: noWAR
    Some photo in the article is not very .:


    Here, it seemed to me, too. Somehow it looks a lot like F15, don’t you?
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 5 October 2015 09: 29 New
      +1
      These terrorists go to the factories "manufacturers", that is, at the place of their training. A part rushed to Turkey, part to Jordan, part to Iraq.
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 5 October 2015 09: 51 New
    +3
    Regarding the photo to the article - yes! Something out of place - what does the F-15 and the bombed city have to do with it?
    And your picture - OFF! good good good
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 5 October 2015 11: 38 New
    +1
    Several terrorist groups in Syria? It will not be enough. E. Satanovsky counted hundreds of those. And this is close to the truth. If you peck everyone indiscriminately, it will soon turn out that one of them is common terrorist, and the other pro-American (pocket). Our American "partners" are afraid of this. They really do not need anything.
  • Nishtiag
    Nishtiag 5 October 2015 13: 12 New
    +2
    In general, someone noticed that the author of the article divided ISIS and ISIS into two different groups. It is the same!!! Just in English ...
  • varov14
    varov14 5 October 2015 20: 56 New
    +1
    In fact, Putin on UN ha appealed not only to the leaders of the states, but also to the shepherds of the Muslim world in order to join forces in the fight against terrorism. Therefore, our idea is that they are fighting not with the Sunnis, but with terrorism, but this should be brought to the Muslim world in every way and why should we not row everyone here, otherwise the information war will be lost for the west to rejoice.
    1. Vasisualiy
      Vasisualiy 6 October 2015 23: 41 New
      0
      The idea is absolutely true. I also do not notice the emphasis on the fight against terrorism, not Islam. Here, the interference of the authorities of the Islamic world would not be in the way. The Americans heard this and have already announced that Russia is now an enemy of the Sunnis everywhere. So then they will chew snot, that this is not so. Where are these our ideologists and special propagandists? Probably in the pope?
  • varov14
    varov14 5 October 2015 20: 56 New
    0
    In fact, Putin on UN ha appealed not only to the leaders of the states, but also to the shepherds of the Muslim world in order to join forces in the fight against terrorism. Therefore, our idea is that they are fighting not with the Sunnis, but with terrorism, but this should be brought to the Muslim world in every way and why should we not row everyone here, otherwise the information war will be lost for the west to rejoice.
  • horoh
    horoh 5 October 2015 06: 08 New
    +6
    Collect all this coder and send to the "exceptional". And our guys and Bashar al-Assad only victory !!!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 5 October 2015 10: 03 New
      0
      Well, will they be collected? Now it’s the most to cover, while still sitting in piles somewhere else. After a while, cockroaches scatter. Up to an hour "X". Unfortunately.
  • Artyom
    Artyom 5 October 2015 06: 13 New
    +32
    I want to note to the author that ISIS and ISIS are the same thing only in English spelling, for those who doubt there is a translator! And one more thing, if you are writing an article about Russian bombing, do not insert a picture from the F-15! somehow it’s not beautiful! And then it seems that he wrote "does not chop chip"! hi
    1. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 5 October 2015 07: 09 New
      +4
      ISIS, Free Syrian Army


      Well, that was at the beginning of the "article". There was no point in reading further. (administrators or moderators, is there anyone here?)
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 5 October 2015 09: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        ISIS, Free Syrian Army


        Well, that was at the beginning of the "article". There was no point in reading further. (administrators or moderators, is there anyone here?)

        The author, aka “Banshee”, is one of them, leading to VO radio. “Well, I got a little excited, don't forget that there were a weekend.
      2. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 5 October 2015 09: 56 New
        +1
        The article was published early in the morning, in 5-51. Now is 10-00. No corrections. Maybe the author insists on his version? Or is it a typo (and ISIS / CCA, and pictures ...)? Although, Monday ... it’s such a hard day.
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 5 October 2015 10: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Artyom
      I want to note to the author that ISIS and ISIS are the same thing only in English spelling, for those who doubt there is a translator! And one more thing, if you are writing an article about Russian bombing, do not insert a picture from the F-15! somehow it’s not beautiful! And then it seems that he wrote "does not chop chip"!


      With your permission, Artem, let me note that, in addition to the ridiculous photo, in this article of Roma, he himself surpassed himself in the number of "unique" pearls of the type:
      Al Nusra, the heirs of Al Qaeda. Smallest grouping


      before this phrase, I did not know about the heirs and did not suspect the paucity.
      Well, the translation of ISIS into English, as you rightly noted, is beyond competition in terms of the degree of "erudition" of the author.

      Something like this. hi
  • Bongo
    Bongo 5 October 2015 06: 16 New
    +31
    With all due respect to the author, why this photo of the American F-15 in publication: "Everyday ISIS: where to escape from the Russians?" no
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 5 October 2015 07: 12 New
      +14
      Quote: Bongo
      what is the photo of the American F-15 for

      And it wanders over all publications in Syria. So Skomorokhov too lazy to look for another.
      Although the text is sound, I completely agree with the conclusions. Only Roman did not mention another very likely outcome of the militants - hospitable Europe. Yes, and they can quickly scatter to their homes. And there are a lot of our neighbors and compatriots there. This is where the special services work endlessly, so as not to make a fire in themselves.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 5 October 2015 09: 18 New
        +2
        As for the Sunnis, there are most of them in the Syrian parliament, both now and in the peaceful years, and the Alawites are in power as a deterrent between Shiites and Sunnis. So you don’t have to rewrite American methods. You just need to conduct more propaganda among the Sunni population about switching to the side of the government.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 5 October 2015 16: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: inkass_98
        And it wanders over all publications in Syria. So Skomorokhov too lazy to look for another.

        The most interesting thing is that, especially for those who are lazy to look for a Russian Ministry of Defense, at once they quickly published a photo from the airfield of our Syrian air group (which were immediately stolen from the media). Take and insert.

        By the way, these photos finally show how Su-34 is a large bird.
    2. Professor
      Professor 5 October 2015 07: 52 New
      -18
      Quote: Bongo
      With all due respect to the author, why is this a photo of the American F-15 in the publication: "Everyday ISIS: where to escape from the Russians?"

      This is normal. Pictured is an Israeli F-15 with a “Russian” pilot. lol
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 5 October 2015 10: 00 New
        +6
        with a "Russian" canvas.

        I didn’t understand what it was about ... but there are options:
        bit
        hammer
        canvas

        py.s. About the "pilot" we can’t talk, for obvious reasons ..)))
        1. Professor
          Professor 5 October 2015 19: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Silkway0026
          py.s. About the "pilot" we can’t talk, for obvious reasons ..)))

          The photo is really Israeli F-15. And about the "Russian" pilot F-15, then there are such ones in Israel. At least one I know personally.
          1. Alexkorzun
            Alexkorzun 6 October 2015 15: 06 New
            0
            At least one I know personally.


            I’m embarrassed to ask, but is he definitely "gussky"?
            1. Professor
              Professor 6 October 2015 15: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Alexkorzun
              I’m embarrassed to ask, but is he definitely "gussky"?

              Feel free to ask. He is Russian with a Russian surname and name.
              1. Alexkorzun
                Alexkorzun 6 October 2015 20: 22 New
                0
                Hmm, I know so many "Gussians" with Russian names and surnames ... with Bukhara names and surnames ... etc. Mussel mimicry seems to be an integral part of DNA.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 5 October 2015 17: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        This is normal. In the photo is an Israeli F-15 with a "Russian" canvas.

        Yeah .. with the same pilot from the joke:
        In Israel, a group of repatriates is being interviewed ...
        One of the questions is this: what manifestations of anti-Semitism have you experienced in the USSR? The elderly pilot, Colonel, answers:
        - In June 1967, our squadron in Egypt received a task - to prepare to bomb Tel Aviv ... So they removed me from flights !!!
    3. sodick
      sodick 5 October 2015 10: 11 New
      +2
      I agree completely, was also surprised
    4. sodick
      sodick 5 October 2015 10: 11 New
      0
      I agree completely, was also surprised
    5. sodick
      sodick 5 October 2015 10: 12 New
      +1
      but maybe it is trophy?
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      2. Kiroant
        Kiroant 5 October 2015 13: 42 New
        0
        Or, perhaps, the Russians are behind the breaks?
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    7. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 6 October 2015 19: 19 New
      0
      Bongo, in the upper left corner you see a "bird" - a hummingbird? But our scientists say that this is a duck.

      Bongo, see the root. This hummingbird - this is our MiG-29.

      Got it? laughing wassat laughing
  • Ayujak
    Ayujak 5 October 2015 06: 17 New
    +21
    2) ISIS, the Free Syrian Army, in short - the Sunni Syrians who escaped from Assad’s army. Deserters, in general, but local. The most moderate in this company, but also the most, according to Assad, dangerous. Because in full and raking.

    3) Actually, ISIS. The basis is made up of former fighters of Saddam Hussein (may the mercy of Allah be upon him), who could not find a place in the Homeland after the murder of their commander in chief. Plus, a huge number of joined Sunnis from around the world.

    May the author forgive me, but ISIS and ISIS are one and the same. ISIS - Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS - Islamic State of Iraq and Levant. ISIS - ISIS translation.
  • mig31
    mig31 5 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +1
    Everything in the article is somehow sad, not about the Russian character, the author needs to be at the forefront to recharge with positive emotions ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 5 October 2015 09: 15 New
      +6
      Excuse me, are you often there? The first time I hear that at the front line, and in the war as a whole, positive emotions are charged. Something reminiscent of Cadet Bigler from Schweik soldier
      1. dmb
        dmb 5 October 2015 10: 23 New
        0
        There are also no less charming phrases suitable for this case, which Schweik would rightly call “and ..ism squared.”
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 5 October 2015 15: 58 New
        -4
        However, judging by the comments and in other topics, the author is closer to Lieutenant Oak laughing
  • Born in the USSR
    Born in the USSR 5 October 2015 06: 44 New
    +10
    After the separation of ISIS and ISIS, he did not read. What is the review worth if the author is confused in one organization?
    This material was written at the weekend,

    But I willingly believe in it and, apparently, there were quite a few drunk ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 October 2015 06: 54 New
    +7
    The author managed to make many complaints, but did not take into account the fact that he raised several questions that should concern us. This is how and by what means the IS will act against our aviation? This is - and where will they really run and if they run, then what should Russia do? The possible organization of air defense is almost clear, the author described it. He described the possible options for the movement of terrorists. It seems to me that our command, which is in charge of the operation, provided for these questions and they will have answers to them.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 5 October 2015 07: 01 New
      +8
      Personally, I don’t care which plane is pictured. I am concerned about the security issue of our aircraft.
      And lovers of discussing photos can continue to minus.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 5 October 2015 22: 28 New
        0
        There would be security - we would not need combat aircraft
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 5 October 2015 10: 15 New
      +1
      I am tormented by vague doubts, but will they not lease the Shells or any similar systems from other emirates?
    3. Name
      Name 5 October 2015 10: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      This is how and by what means the IS will act against our aviation? This is - and where will they really run and if they run, then what should Russia do?

      It’s unknown how they will run, but the fact that they WILL RUN is UNIVERSAL:
      LJAZIRA: “ISIS IS NOT WISHING TO FIGHT WITH RUSSIANS”

      "Our numerous sources report the massive refusal of the fighters of the Islamic state of Iraq and the Levant to confront the forces of Bashar Assad due to Russian intervention." - transmits the international television company Al-Jazeera (الجزيرة).
      “In Russia, most Muslims are Sunnis, like the vast majority of ISIS fighters and they do not want to fight against a country where a significant number of their co-religionists live. Moreover, many mercenaries from the countries of the former socialist camp refuse to fight against Russians because of a similar position in relation to the United States of America. Also, mercenaries from Germany, France, Italy, Spain and the Great Britain refuse to fight with the Russians. The heads of ISIS units (ISIS) face their open sabotage during Kazakhs, and in some cases with very real threats against themselves.
      The Russians showed the whole world who really is the master of the situation in the Middle East and who spreads lies in The New York Times, BBC and other pro-American publications. "- Al-Jazeera presenter says.

      seehttp://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/295135-v-ssha-nachalas-ploho-skryvaemaya
      -panika-oni-ne-vidyat-russkie-istrebiteli-boycy-igil-ne-hotyat-voevat-s-russkimi
      .html
      seehttp://aljazeera.net/news/reportsandinterviews/2015/10/3/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%8
      8%D8%B3-%D8%A8%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%
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      %A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%84
      1. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 5 October 2015 12: 22 New
        +1
        Nobody really wants and cannot fight with Russian soldiers, because at the very least, and after all, many have studied or simply read history.
        A 100% death to whom hunting? laughing
        And the terrorists will not rush to the Caucasus either - because it’s scary!
  • Throw
    Throw 5 October 2015 06: 54 New
    +4
    The analysis in the story is fabulous-kitchen: "You go right, you lose a horse, you go left, you kill. Wife."
    But suddenly "we" guess? wink
    It will not work, someone will dig in, someone will dig in, and someone will infiltrate. And we still sneeze in the Caucasus.
    And to continue everything, if it comes to that, to the infantry and tanks.
    So let's see who comes, on what and why. The region is now of interest to many.
  • Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 5 October 2015 06: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
    Weekday LIH: where to run from the Russian?

    Nobody has escaped from the Russians anywhere yet, and even if he escaped for a short while, and if for a long time, it is not from the Russians ...
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 5 October 2015 07: 02 New
    +12
    And what, among the warriors against the IS, there are no Sunnis? It is primitive to reduce what is happening in Syria to the confrontation between bad Sunnis and good Shiites. It’s like Saddam Hussein with such dissatisfaction with the entire Shiite 85% majority in 1981, they would stupidly trample a mass for the war with Iran, dear to their hearts. But the war lasted a long eight years, and Saddam was destroyed by the United States, having unleashed a confrontation between Sunnis and Shiites there. Moreover, the Sunni Hussein did not support the Sunni Arabian monarchies, but rather did everything to overthrow him. And you can give a lot of examples. It seems that the Americans began to inflate this topic, so that there are clearly Sunnis - Shiites, not Muslims, and according to this sign they should be completely divided so that it would then be possible to choose whom to put when planning the next nasty things.
    1. alex74nur
      alex74nur 5 October 2015 07: 23 New
      +8
      I agree with you, it’s too primitive to reduce everything to a confrontation between Shiites and Sunnis. My opinion is more correct to speak of moderate Muslims and radical Islamists. At least the most rabid Wahhabis flee from Russia to the IG.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 5 October 2015 18: 40 New
        0
        Quote: alex74nur
        I agree with you
        And I am with your addition.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 5 October 2015 09: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: samoletil18
      But the war lasted a long eight years, and Saddam was destroyed by the United States, unleashing a confrontation between Sunnis and Shiites there.
      That’s for sure, while neither the Iranian Sunnis, nor the Iraqi Shiites, supported their co-religionists, which Iraq and Iran, in turn, seriously counted on
  • Platonich
    Platonich 5 October 2015 07: 06 New
    +1
    Yes, Assad will not be easy on earth, but we will hope for a successful outcome.
  • PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 5 October 2015 07: 06 New
    +1
    They will run away. Europe, another 300 refugees will roll.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 5 October 2015 09: 51 New
      +1
      According to forecasts, the current Germany expect 1,5 Lama ....
  • Socialism 2.0
    Socialism 2.0 5 October 2015 07: 17 New
    +2
    To Israel, let all the Ishilovites and other rabble bring down to Israel.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 5 October 2015 07: 23 New
    0
    The third option, quite real, and very dangerous ..
  • asadov
    asadov 5 October 2015 07: 30 New
    0
    as they say, wait and see.
  • Professor
    Professor 5 October 2015 07: 50 New
    +9
    Novel, ISIS and Isil and Daesh are the same thing, but in different languages. Correct please. hi
  • Midshipman
    Midshipman 5 October 2015 07: 54 New
    0
    Send them to the mattress, with all amenities soldier
  • oracul
    oracul 5 October 2015 07: 59 New
    +1
    It is interesting, of course, to make various forecasts with enthusiasm. The main thing is not to wander into the jungle of omniscience. And so, the author’s thoughts are understandable, but it seems that they spread "on the tree."
  • Riv
    Riv 5 October 2015 08: 24 New
    +5
    The author attaches too much importance to the division of Muslims into Sunnis and Shiites. It is not so important. In addition, the main danger is the Salafis. This is a completely modern product, with completely disconnected brains. A sect cleaner than Jehovah's Witnesses. But actually the Sunnis and Shiites do not care how to fight for whom. The main thing is to be on the side of the winners. The West, after all, doesn’t destroy bricks because our pilots are picking up frags. It is terrible that now people are going to the Assad army. With the support of aviation, a Muslim can be very heroic.
  • provincial
    provincial 5 October 2015 08: 38 New
    +3
    all these issues are well covered by Satanovsky, please contact him who wants to know what will happen next.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 5 October 2015 08: 41 New
    +10
    They won’t run anywhere. It’s just more active to crawl through the captured cities. We have already gone through this. There are militants on the first / second floors, third / fourth civilians. And if this is not detected in advance, then the whole world will yell about the atrocities of the Russian military, as he yells about the atrocities of Israel. The corpses of women and children, even if they were to blame for using them as a human shield, are a great picture to cry about the imperfections of the world and to seal the shooters / bombers. We went through this many times ... request
    1. bairat
      bairat 5 October 2015 09: 00 New
      +3
      I just wanted to write about this, the author lacks the 4th point - the militants moved from open spaces to cities. And everything that is further to be done is not clear. They will break the maximum logistics, but these creatures and on the pasture will last a long time.
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    3. Buffalo
      Buffalo 5 October 2015 09: 01 New
      0
      Read the news on the media aggregator2:
      http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2182489/?from=smi2
    4. Turkir
      Turkir 5 October 2015 09: 30 New
      +3
      Readers ridiculed the British newspaper Daily Mail for propaganda materials against Russia. In the next article with a story about the air strikes of the Russian military, the newspaper writes that the goals are not applied to the positions of the Islamic State, but to civilians. At the same time, the publication refers to the human rights organization Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (based in London), which, in turn, refers to "network of sources on the ground for its information", that is, to its informants in Syria.
      “It turns out that one uncle, sitting in London, forms the world's public opinion?”
      According to Pravda-TV, the staff of the institution is only one person. He is the “director" of this organization named Rami Abdul Rahman. This organization provides “news” about Syria in a monopoly mode to all major news agencies in the world.
      http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/10/2/770149.html
      ------------
      Freedom of speech in democracies ..
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 5 October 2015 10: 07 New
        +1
        According to Pravda-TV, the staff of the institution is only one person. He is the “director" of this organization named Rami Abdul Rahman.


        Such "organizations" are very, very similar to all kinds of "Associations of dentists ... dermatologists, nutritionists ...". Fistulas created only for sonorous phrases in commercials. So this shnyaga, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, is also created for sonority when voicing them "news" commercials.
        1. Longmire
          Longmire 5 October 2015 12: 33 New
          0
          Yes, all these thugs are hiding behind a human shield, they simply install their fortified wounds in residential neighborhoods, turning residents into hostages and all. Any blow to hundreds of corpses.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 October 2015 16: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      They won’t run anywhere. It’s just more active to crawl through the captured cities. We have already gone through this. There are militants on the first / second floors, third / fourth civilians. And if this is not detected in advance, then the whole world will yell about the atrocities of the Russian military, as he yells about the atrocities of Israel. The corpses of women and children, even if they were to blame for using them as a human shield, are a great picture to cry about the imperfections of the world and to seal the shooters / bombers. We went through this many times ...

      Not you alone. In the memoirs of the First Chechen “living shield” from his own civilians is mentioned quite often. Women and children stop the convoy, and then it is on the sight of the militants hiding behind their backs.
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 5 October 2015 08: 41 New
    +1
    but to run toward Israel is weak to write; judging by the article, where there is mainly nonsense about the discord between the Shiites and Sunnis, Jewish lies; we Assad legitimate president support and not some Shiites or Sunnis there; and the Benya child killer is bombing all schoolchildren in the village of Gaza
    1. Longmire
      Longmire 5 October 2015 12: 35 New
      0
      I’ll look at you as the Russian army turns into a "child killer" since all the terrorists are hiding behind a human shield, soon in all the news.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 5 October 2015 08: 57 New
    +2
    I don’t know how much Assad will be used effectively, our use in aviation in the fight against ISIS. But the fact that we thwarted American plans to introduce a no-fly zone to Syria, which means that the states control and influence in this region, is for sure. Https: //slon.ru/posts/57481
  • Wolka
    Wolka 5 October 2015 09: 06 New
    +3
    I allow myself to disagree with the author that the war in Syria has religious grounds, in my opinion this is only a good external cover for the “democratic” people, the real reasons for this war are, as always, banal, it’s profit and power, let the power Yankees, but still power, and access to unlimited use of natural resources, even in the form of crumbs from the table of the "master", good enough for everyone ...
  • romõch
    romõch 5 October 2015 09: 06 New
    +11
    Quote: Babr
    What will people get from this?


    The prospective gas pipelines Qatar-Turkey-Europe (Qatar-Turkey pipeline) and Iran-Iraq-Syria-Europe (Islamic pipeline) from the shores of the Persian Gulf should pass through the territory of the Syrian state.

    Those. Syria is a potential transit territory for Qatari gas, as well as Iraqi oil to the same Europe. And if these branches are built, then Europe will abandon both the north and the Turkish stream. In this situation, the struggle of Russia is not for Assad, not against IS, but for control of the Syrian Mediterranean coast, where the Russian Navy base is located. And Russia does not need it in order to develop something there for the benefit of the Syrian people, but in order not to be mastered by our geopolitical rivals (be it NATO countries, the USA or the IS fostered by them - no difference)

    Whatever one may say, but since the 70s of the XNUMXth century, the bulk of the export revenues of the USSR-Russia have been hydrocarbon supplies to western Europe. And therefore, Syria today is the central link in the great Middle East game. In any case, for Russia this is so.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 5 October 2015 10: 21 New
      0
      "... and from the Turkish stream."
      Is the Turkish stream already built and functioning? Did I miss something? belay
    2. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 5 October 2015 14: 13 New
      -3
      Quote: romыch
      And Russia does not need it in order to develop something there for the benefit of the Syrian people, but in order not to be mastered by our geopolitical rivals (be it NATO countries, the USA or the IS fostered by them - no difference)

      Well, you could say that - the people in Syria are dying for Gazprom’s interests, and they don’t even know about it
  • bairat
    bairat 5 October 2015 09: 07 New
    +3
    By the way, the victorious TV broadcasts are straining. Everything is very serious and tossing up bonnets still oh how far. The enemy is insidious, and not here so in another place he will try to take revenge on us. Well, I immediately lay down a couple of planes for non-combat losses, over the summer 15 airplanes fell just because they started to fly a lot.
  • YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 5 October 2015 09: 17 New
    0
    You can’t hide from Russians anywhere !!!!
    1. romõch
      romõch 5 October 2015 09: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: YaMZ-238
      You can’t hide from Russians anywhere !!!!


      1. mrFix
        mrFix 5 October 2015 12: 10 New
        +1
        There are no yellow Su-25s in Syria. This video is from Chad, uploaded to YouTube in 2012. Watch from 2:39.
  • regdan
    regdan 5 October 2015 09: 33 New
    +11
    The author has no idea who is fighting in Syria and why. The author uses US templates and tries to make interfaith out of this war. The Assad author is not a Shiite, he is an Alawite. Iran helps Assad, not because he wants to protect Shiites and Alawites, but because the United States nurtures the hydra of the Islamic State, which in essence is Nazism in Germany in the 30s. In the Syrian army, the Sunnis are fighting not against their own Sunnis, but against the IS for which they are not right. Reminds slogans of the 30s and 40s in Germany. Many Sunnis went over to the side of the army when they saw that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam, but it has generally you already understood with whom. Many Sunnis created a militia when they saw that the IG came to their house, for whom the Sunites of Syria are ordinary meat that can be raped, robbed, killed.
    1. Slax
      Slax 5 October 2015 11: 07 New
      -8
      you’re a half-educated couch, trying to criticize a respected Roman without even bothering to understand the essence of the matter. The Alawites - one of the sects of the Shiite branch of Islam, this is because Iran not only protects them as adherents of its movement, but also that Assad supports the Iranian Hezbollah in Lebanon - one of the main instruments of pressure on Israel and the outpost of Shiite influence on B. East.
      For Sunnis, Shiites are eriticists, and for Sunni Wahhabis, they are generally infidels who can cut their throats like Christians. Saudi Arabia made a bet on the spread of Wahhabism among the Syrian Arabs, helping them financially and supplying Sunni volunteers from other Muslim countries, including with S. Caucasus. Therefore, there is essentially a religious war under the flags of world jihad and the caliphate
      1. regdan
        regdan 5 October 2015 14: 27 New
        +4
        The dropout is you and your Roman. When everything began in Syria, no one said anything about Shiites, Alawites, Sunnis, Christians. All the false corrupt media wrote about the people who rebelled against the bloody tyrant Assad. Now that the hydra of the IG has grown thanks to the EU and the USA, everyone has now begun to repeat about the interfaith war. And especially strongly after Russia began to drive IS and the company into the ground. Saudis and Israel do not specifically mention they are only pawns in the big game.
        1. Slax
          Slax 5 October 2015 15: 51 New
          -6
          “Here it is, a new generation that in real life cannot even take a phone from a girl. But when they sit down at a computer at home, they become experts in geopolitics and military affairs, hang up labels, masterfully curse opponents and“ merge ”those who are objectionable. -heroes, with sweaty palms in today's selection. "http://varlamov.ru/

          it's about you shkolota brainless written, compared to the respected Roman, you are an empty place and your comments about his opinion, dumb trolling underdeveloped
          1. regdan
            regdan 5 October 2015 18: 37 New
            +1
            And what for the link? And on LJ. Ha yes such experts in a live carriage and a small cart !!! So then cover your mouth. Neither you nor your Roman have any idea how things were in Syria from the very beginning, but from the very beginning of the conflict I have been following the situation and will always point to the truth.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 5 October 2015 10: 00 New
    +2
    A young Taliban asks the old Mujahid:
    - How is the American special forces different from the Russian?
    Mujahideen answers:
    - You see, the Russians have the opposite.
    - What is it like???
    “Remember, we fucked an American Marine yesterday?”
    - Well yes...
    - So, with the Russians it will be the other way around ..
  • Das Boot
    Das Boot 5 October 2015 10: 10 New
    +5
    With all due respect to Roman, there is no BV expert from him. And even less. In order to understand even a bit of the Syrian specifics, it is not harmful to listen / read truly competent Arabists and Orientalists before posting a game with a claim to analytics.
  • Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 5 October 2015 10: 12 New
    +6
    A serious answer to many doubts!
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 5 October 2015 19: 47 New
      0
      Photo of toads however
  • MolGro
    MolGro 5 October 2015 10: 19 New
    +5
    ISIS evacuated to the EU!
    Photos of ships going to Europe)
    the reality is much more interesting, boats on EuroTV)
    1. 0255
      0255 5 October 2015 11: 46 New
      0
      Nifiga yourself how many people belay Poor EU ...
    2. JonnyT
      JonnyT 5 October 2015 15: 10 New
      +5
      what ISIS ???? this is 91 year, Albanians are sailing to Italy
  • f4b2
    f4b2 5 October 2015 10: 33 New
    +1
    I understand everything, but why do we need a beautiful advertising photo of the staff of the F-15 Eagle?
  • xtur
    xtur 5 October 2015 10: 57 New
    +10
    there is no civil war in Syria, and no religious war. Both this and the other are internal processes, but with external intervention. And in Syria, both have all the signs of prevailing external interference. This is a disguised external aggression of very powerful forces.

    The Saudis are not Sunnis, they are Salafists - the difference is between Catholics and Protestants. Capitalism in Europe became possible only with the spread of Protestantism, the war for the imposition of Protestantism in Europe was extremely bloody, see Thirty Years War. Salafism is imposed on Muslims in much the same pattern - a bloody pattern. ISIS, although it is hiding behind Muslim values ​​and goals, is a product of Iraq’s Ba'ath - this is the second argument for the fact that the war in Syria has nothing to do with religious wars, the dregs of the entire Muslim world are fighting in Syria for Saudi money - Assad would have agreed long ago with the local ones.

    So you need to understand the goals of the Americans, who, together with the Saudis, support the war in Syria. Local Sunnis themselves, for all their religiosity, nevertheless fully appreciate the secular state, Syria is one of the oldest centers of civilization in the world, and all its inhabitants fully understand the independent value of the state, and tribal separation, like anywhere else in Arabia no
    Hence the conclusion - it is necessary to strengthen Shiite power in Iraq to limit the impact from Iraq, and we must take control of all other borders of the state.
    When IS-ilu becomes impossible to move to the Syrian side, they will have to turn in the direction of the Saudis and, ideally, they will cut the Saudis.
    1. xtur
      xtur 6 October 2015 13: 13 New
      +2
      several quotes from an interview with the director of the Center for Strategic Studies of Damascus University from Taleb Ibrahim (for an interview, see the link http://vz.ru/politics/2015/10/5/770623.html):

      - In Syria there does not exist and never existed a Shiite group, a Sunni group or any other. Syria is a secular country where the ideology of Syrian Arab nationalism has long prevailed. In this sense, Russia through its actions supports the statehood of Syria and its citizens. Moscow does not support Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites, Christians or anyone else in Syria; it supports Syrian society.

      If you look at the victims of ISIS terrorists, you will see that most of them belong to the Syrian Sunni community. Almost 80–90% of the Syrians who were killed are representatives of the Sunni branch of Islam.

      - The Sunni society is divided into two camps. The first is Sufis(my comments - Sufis are like yogis in Islam, this is the most root level) of Syria, there are traditionally a lot of them in Syria. They certainly support the actions of Moscow in the fight against ISIS. The second is people who are subject to Wahhabi and radical influence.

      -There is another group of Sunni society - the Syrian Sunni tribes. The Islamic State applied mass executions and killings against the Sunni tribes in Syria, especially in the Dair ez-Zora region. 70-80% of Syrian Sunni tribes after the atrocities and killings of ISIS terrorists and other radical groups support Russia's efforts and are glad that Moscow has launched an air operation against terrorists oppressing them.

      About 60–70% of Syrian army personnel are Sunnis. Syrian Defense Minister - Sunni. Sunni society in Syria represents Arab secular nationalists, just like the Alawite.
      ----------------------------------------

      I don’t want to assert that the truth he said is the last resort, but it is absolutely necessary to take into account, and his words confirm my position that the conflict in Syria is not a religious war, it is rather an attempt Reformation in Islam. Everything in bold from the quotes clearly confirms that in Syria we are talking about an attempt to forcibly change the religious model

      I want to remind you that Reformation, that is, the violent demolition of Catholicism in Europe, is the bloodiest page in European history, to which even rampant fascism in its time is far away. In Germany, those times almost every second died. According to the classic of sociology M. Weber, without Protestantism, i.e. without Reformationcapitalism in Europe would not be

      Syria is Germany of times Reformation. Russia has now directly participated in an extremely large-scale process, even by historical standards
  • Thomas
    Thomas 5 October 2015 11: 00 New
    +1
    Still, the Shiites on which Assad relies are fewer times 10 than Sunnis. This is an important aspect.

    Everything seems to be correct, but the East is a delicate matter.
    I strongly recommend to anyone who wants to understand what is happening now in the Middle East.
    And it would be better to reprint these articles on VO.
    http://de-de-de.livejournal.com/735236.html
    http://de-de-de.livejournal.com/735608.html
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 5 October 2015 11: 54 New
      +3
      smiled:

      On the issue of moderate opposition in Syria

      “As a well-known journalist of the leading publication of the exclusive and democratic West, after asking permission from the editorial office, I called the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry with the question:

      - How do you distinguish between ordinary terrorists and moderate ones during the bombing in Syria?

      The girl switched me to the duty officer, who very politely explained:

      - Even before the start of the military operation in Syria, a decisive decision was made at the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry. The essence of this decision is our traditional desire for Russia to strictly abide by the principles of legality and justice. So now, all of our ammunition is divided into two categories: ordinary and moderate. Against ordinary terrorists, we use exclusively conventional ammunition. And against moderate terrorists, we use exclusively moderate ammunition. So don’t worry, we take into account the moderation of some of the terrorists and treat them fairly.

      After these words, it became much easier for me. But I still clarified:

      “Do you really use mild ammunition against moderate terrorists, is that true ?!”

      The interlocutor replied:

      - The word of the Russian officer!

      I felt very good. To bring final clarity, I asked:

      - Tell me, how much do your conventional ammunition differ from the moderate ones?

      "Our conventional ammunition is different from moderate ammunition, exactly the same as conventional terrorists in Syria, they are different from moderate terrorists: they are painted in a different color, in lighter and more moderate tones," the officer answered and hung up.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 5 October 2015 12: 26 New
    0
    The most interesting is ahead))))
    Naturally, ISIS will not disappear from Syria. Part of it will go to the EU, part will simply dissolve, hide and so on ....

    I wonder if a great campaign of the faithful against the pagan Saudis is possible.
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 5 October 2015 15: 06 New
      0
      under certain conditions is possible. Taki region is rich. Arabs from which did not settle in Turkey or in Bulgaria or Albania for example (all countries are more suitable on the topic of religion and indeed), but they are poor and there Arabs are not interested. The Saudis do not yet give slack and therefore still hold on, but they have accumulated problems both internal and external. And in spite of external stability and prosperity, in recent years they also have "misunderstandings"
  • Longmire
    Longmire 5 October 2015 12: 37 New
    -1
    Probably, it makes no sense to once again focus on the fact that the war in Syria is not just a civil war. This is a religious war. Fighting is not some indefinite supporters of ISIS, who came running from all over the world to Syria, but for the most part are Sunni. Offended by Assad, former supporters of Hussein. And most of them.

    finally, a drop begins to reach where they got in, avgan is still a flower ...
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 5 October 2015 15: 14 New
      0
      it is worth paying attention to the fact that recently the authorities, although they sometimes take actions that are not popular among the people, but poorly poorly control the situation both inside and outside. While especially jambs have not done. Even the very Minsk 2, if you read it carefully, is Putin’s victory.
      Let's hope that the authorities know what they are doing and understand all the consequences.
      Some funny and victorious reports are all likely PR. BUT so far the week has passed: work is underway, the enemy is really getting (it is not for nothing that the noise has risen) Let's hope that Assad’s ground forces will also show strength and decisiveness and a turning point will come.
      Do not forget that the American coalition has been bombed for a year and no one is asking for any results. All the same, they have already become proficient in the bombing and should have shown miracles, but that is, that is ...
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 5 October 2015 12: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Babr
    Not only you, but I’ll go to protect (even with a bare ass) to protect my children and my people. But I will not let my children protect the interests of crooks who robbed our country with you, and I don’t advise you

    Dear, do not confuse your coat with the state! The immensity cannot be grasped, therefore it is necessary to concentrate on the main thing - to ward off the threat of global terrorism built by "partners". Yes, I, too, am not a supporter of liberal capitalism, but now is not the time for internal clashes - our "friends" and liberals are only waiting for this to completely ruin Russia! request
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 5 October 2015 14: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Vlad5307
      focus on the main thing - to avert the threat of global terrorism built by "partners"

      and there is a whole Afghanistan out of this threat, drugs are being cultivated and poisoned with it for everyone, so what isn’t they "taking" there? Modern bases are oil, gas, gold, where there is none, nothing is done, there is no benefit, but where there are all kinds of miracles
  • red_october
    red_october 5 October 2015 12: 47 New
    0
    They sprinkle around Europe, if you do not put them there in place more ....
  • Tektor
    Tektor 5 October 2015 13: 06 New
    +1
    The author did not go through all the options. There is the simplest - through open borders - to Jordan and further - to Palestine in a holy war with Israel.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 5 October 2015 13: 53 New
      -1
      Campaign this is happening .......
      then Israel launched a war on terror to forestall ....
  • qwert
    qwert 5 October 2015 13: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Babr
    We are threatened by NATO armaments at our borders, the United States monthly increases its groupings in the Baltic countries, Italian, English and Swedish fighters patrol virtually the Russian border
    You can’t argue with that. It's right.

    Quote: Babr
    and the Russian elite sends Russian soldiers to Syria, away from their shores. WITH
    But what did she send? This is a minuscule. The ratio has not changed much. As NATO had 10 aircraft on 1 ours has it. I'm talking about our planes, which is in flight condition. Dismantled and rotten do not think so. In addition, at least someone will gain normal experience and increase their annual raid. I would generally change crews, as was done in Afghanistan, where almost the entire helicopter crew could be trained.
  • kirillovleva
    kirillovleva 5 October 2015 14: 13 New
    +2
    , the author does not distinguish ISIS from ISIS, speaks of a religious war of Sunnis and Shiites, which is not present, otherwise 70% of Sunnis have long been crushed by 10-15% of the Alawites, Assad's wife, and the Minister of Defense are Sunnis.
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 5 October 2015 15: 00 New
    +2
    Article minus, the religious component is far-fetched. On the side of Assad, the Sunnis are also fighting. The idea of ​​opposing the Sunnis to the Shiites is a Pentagon chip. Formed mercenary groups of the USA, the European Union and the Saudis are defeated, so they urgently need to transfer the conflict to interreligious tracks! As the saying goes - the show must go on!
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 5 October 2015 16: 39 New
    +1
    Guys, what are you arguing about? The essence has long been clear. Asad at the helm, neither Qatar nor the UAE will stretch the pipeline through Syria to Europe, what they are already trying to achieve is how many years plus the two port terminals that we now have. We have this pipeline hell isn’t needed either, because the European market is practically ours. And to launch an enemy there, especially the UAE, which had a hand in the collapse of the USSR, not a single ruler of Russia who respects himself and the country will agree. This is tantamount to making hara-kiri yourself. That's the whole deal. Everything else is a clean application.
  • Technologist
    Technologist 5 October 2015 16: 43 New
    +2
    Photo from the series SU-25 and Stinger. The plane itself landed with a bomb load.
  • Technologist
    Technologist 5 October 2015 16: 46 New
    +6
    Afghanistan. Hit Stinger in the SU-25, the plane reached the "home" itself.
    1. Longmire
      Longmire 5 October 2015 19: 33 New
      0
      it is rather a merit of the pilot who has steel nerves.
  • Evil Bobblehead
    Evil Bobblehead 5 October 2015 17: 43 New
    -1
    Minusvala, such as Local Alawite boys, very angry with the guys from ISIS and others. They will already find a way to recognize foreigners among refugees. Of course, sabotage groups are sent and will be sent, but this does not apply to us. Our task No. 1 is to help block the border with Turkey, from where 90% of the help to the bearded comes from.
  • partizan86
    partizan86 5 October 2015 18: 10 New
    0
    In Hell, definitely there. Our planes do not fly there yet.
  • UNAUTHORIZED
    UNAUTHORIZED 5 October 2015 18: 44 New
    +1
    As I understand it, our air intervention has given a decisive advantage. Now an equally decisive ground operation is needed. Assad’s troops are capable of it?
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 6 October 2015 20: 42 New
      0
      Morale has grown. ISIS fell accordingly. Iran is throwing its own, plus Hezbollah. There are resources for now.
      But in the meantime, oil has slowly begun to grow, I hope that it does not stop.