Europe does not want to be the starting point of the United States for war




Europe is finally beginning to see clearly, to grumble and stubbornly resist the American military presence. This trend still has a fairly calm and “law-abiding”, but, nevertheless, increasing character. It is worth noting that the negative attitude towards a foreign military presence is most clearly manifested today in the so-called prosperous European states, in particular, in Germany. A demonstration in this respect was a demonstration that took place on September 26 in the immediate vicinity of the Ramstein air base. Several hundred participants took to the streets calling for US servicemen to leave the country.

The demonstration was organized by the activists of the “Stop Ramstein - no war for drones” group, and among its participants were representatives of various political forces from all over Germany. It is known that one of the objectives of the event was to protest the alleged use of a satellite relay station at the air base as part of the US program to use drones abroad. The group has collected over 5 thousands of signatures for closing it.

For comparison, the population of the city of Ramstein-Miesenbach, near which the air base is located, is only eight thousand people. Apparently, the German military and political leadership will be difficult to ignore the opinion of almost the whole city.

Quite a large part of the population that does not support the American military presence in the country, according to the organizer of the demonstration of Brown District, is in favor of the complete closure of this US military facility in Germany. In an interview with the newspaper Reinpfalz, Brown, in particular, called the military base "an anachronism of the Cold War times."

The activist group “Stop Ramstein - no to the drone war”, as well as many other German pacifist public movements rightly consider the position of the country's leadership wrong, which, in their general opinion, makes Germany “a starting point for the global wars of NATO”.

One can not disagree with the arguments of another representative of the organizing group of protests, Pedram Shahiyar, who said that the base in Ramstein is the largest military object of the United States abroad. During the war in Iraq, it served as the main “transit point” for the US military. In addition, it is believed that this facility is the main center of US operations for the use of unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which, according to some data, between five and ten thousand civilians died. Therefore, Germany, according to German activists, automatically becomes involved in all these victims, as it provides logistic and financial support for the operation of the air base.

Such manifestations of pacifism, and simply common sense, are not yet known to other NATO member countries, for example, the Baltic countries, which are actively inviting the United States and the Alliance to increase their military presence in their territories. Whether political blindness and deafness, from which Old Europe is cured, are contagious, or whether it is beneficial to someone ...
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  1. mirag2 3 October 2015 05: 31 New
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    She doesn't want to? But she became her.
    1. oleg-gr 3 October 2015 06: 27 New
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      Ordinary residents do not want to. It seems that European politicians are selected from the most sloppy representatives of the population.
      1. Aleks28 3 October 2015 06: 47 New
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        Quote: oleg-gr
        Ordinary residents do not want to. It seems that European politicians are selected from the most sloppy representatives of the population.

        Every nation deserves its leader. Europe has earned it! They want to fatten at someone else’s expense, but how it’s going to happen in bushes. Ordinary residents are full of passives. How is it in the cartoon? .. Haiti, Haiti ... We are not badly fed here either.
        1. veksha50 3 October 2015 14: 52 New
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          Quote: Allex28
          They want to fatten at someone else’s expense, and how that happens, so in the bushes. Ordinary residents are full of liability.



          By the way, the people of this very Germany joyfully reaped the "fruits of victories" of the Wehrmacht in Europe and on the territory of the USSR ...

          And with what displeasure Soviet troops were met on their territory ...

          PS So the policy of double standards has always been livelier than all living ...
      2. Alexander Romanov 3 October 2015 07: 15 New
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        The activist group “Stop Ramstein - no to the drone war”, as well as many other German pacifist public movements rightly consider the position of the country's leadership wrong, which, in their general opinion, makes Germany “a starting point for the global wars of NATO”.

        Sorry, but where were these activists before, how many US military bases are in Germany. Previously, everything was fine with seeing.
        Yes, and under the flags of the buggers.
        1. Aleks28 3 October 2015 07: 22 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Sorry, but where were these activists before, how many US military bases are in Germany. Previously, everything was fine with seeing.
          Yes, and under the flags of the buggers.

          Not a single base is closed. In Afghanistan, Iraq, and so on .. withdrawn, but the bases are all standing. Not one person, the gates are all welded up and signs hang: "US property." I saw with my own eyes. The English and French left, and I can’t smoke these with any checkers. I’ll take off some photos.
        2. ZU-23 3 October 2015 08: 56 New
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          Well done people of course, but the trouble is that no one is going to ask anyone.
          1. Manul 3 October 2015 11: 32 New
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            Quote: ZU-23
            Well done people of course, but the trouble is that no one is going to ask anyone.

            Yes, it’s enough to remember how people in France went out to strike against any same-sex Sodom. And what, someone heard, saw millions of Frenchmen?
            But "We are Charlie" on all the front pages throughout the world. Ugh.
            1. Aleks28 3 October 2015 13: 17 New
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              Quote: Manul
              Yes, it’s enough to remember how people in France went out to strike against any same-sex Sodom. And what, someone heard, saw millions of Frenchmen?

              Yes, according to our news, it was transmitted, but in fact there were a few left, but well done, aggressively.
              1. Manul 3 October 2015 20: 09 New
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                Quote: Allex28
                Yes, according to our news, it was transmitted, but in fact there were a few left, but well done, aggressively.

                Actually, I have friends from France. There were no crowds in the streets.
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              3. Manul 3 October 2015 22: 06 New
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                Yes, according to our news, it was transmitted, but in fact there were a few left, but well done, aggressively.

                Your answer seemed suspicious to me. It painfully looks like an attempt by the “daughter of an officer” to gloss over objectivity. He climbed the previous comments, and for sure! It seems you are a pro in your field. Tell me - we must have met with you already. Do not remind your other re incarnations? There are five assumptions.
        3. Temples 3 October 2015 10: 06 New
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          Sorry, but where were these activists before ...


          The answer depends on how much earlier!
          Earlier both near Moscow and near Stalingrad.
          Then to the teeth and go home!
          Then under amer.
          The Germans have not thought about their own security for more than a hundred years!
          Looking for adventure on their asses. Previously, figuratively, now literally.
          Look at the photo, go smiling! Many simply do not understand the meaning of the requirements. For them, this procession is simply a variety of routine.
          1. Rarahin 3 October 2015 11: 58 New
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            It's like a "Titanic" - the nose is already under water, and at the stern they smile, demonstrate, hope ...
            Europe s ...
            Ugh!
        4. Boa kaa 3 October 2015 10: 18 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          how many US military bases in Germany.

          In Germany, the States contain more than 100 thousand people, of which infantry and tank units totaling more than 70 thousand people. ; 15 SV military bases, 4 army aviation bases and one logistics base - almost a quarter of all Pentagon foreign bases. There were also 2 storage bases for nuclear warheads: the Fligerhorst a / b (Bühel district) and Ramstein, where until recently 130 nuclear warheads were stored. The bombs were quietly taken out, but the vaults remained. And now the UAVs were placed there ...
        5. Manul 3 October 2015 11: 26 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, and under the flags of the buggers.

          In the photo g_ey-flag (oh how - the word with the letter g is automatically replaced by a pederast. It has become abusive and intolerant? Cool! laughing ) is striking in the first place. The idea that this action and all the like will be organized and conducted through * opa does not leave the eye.
        6. Ezhaak 3 October 2015 20: 06 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Sorry, and where were these activists before,

          My friend, a Dutchman, showed a photo of SIX demonstrators standing at the gates of a base in Holland, where about five nuclear bombs are stored. With a poster like "Get out"
          I told him, in case of a problem, this base will get its own, you live 100 km. from her, do you really hope that you won’t get to Amsterdam? Americans protect us, answers. Well, you yourself do not know how? World War II showed what you are good for. Offended.
      3. northern 3 October 2015 15: 12 New
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        Europe does not want? Excuse me, who is asking her? Skopom fell under their "NATO partners", legs spread apart, what else after that they "do not want"? Late, NATO has been introduced for the most ... The people don’t want to, is this all the tip of power? Pink snot, any nation deserves its rulers. In addition to the launch pad for the war, they also became a priority target for a nuclear strike, with which I congratulate you. We have reached the level of Banderostan in the sense of external management.
    2. Aleks28 3 October 2015 07: 00 New
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      She doesn't want to? But she became her.

      Here he is the main viper. Ramstein in Germany
      1. VseDoFeNi 3 October 2015 07: 56 New
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        Quote: Allex28
        Here he is the main viper. Ramstein in Germany

        The main adder in the heads.
        1. Aleks28 3 October 2015 10: 43 New
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          The main adder in the heads.

          In the heads of one money, there is no place for the rest.
          1. VseDoFeNi 3 October 2015 11: 24 New
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            This is the viper. We, too, have planted many on consumption, some money and a fetish on my mind.
            Tsvetaeva was wrong to know when she said that "Awareness of the untruth of money in the Russian soul is indestructible".
            1. Ezhaak 3 October 2015 20: 20 New
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              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Tsvetaeva was wrong to know when she said that "Awareness of the untruth of money in the Russian soul is indestructible."

              She was not mistaken. Those who are passionate about consumerism and fetishism are not Russian. They do not produce anything, they only use the fact that they produced the hands of hard workers. And those who are engaged in specific production always encounter this untruth of money and see it in practice.
              1. VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 09: 41 New
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                Quote: Hedgehog
                Those who are passionate about consumerism and fetishism are not Russian.

                Well, startooooo ... Russian non-Russian, communist non-communist, Christian non-Christian ...

                Quote: Hedgehog
                And those who are engaged in specific production always encounter this untruth of money and see it in practice.

                I will quote Coarse with whose words I agree.
                So. The first thing that distinguishes a downshifter from a normal person is that he brings down a deity named "level of material consumption" from the pedestal, and puts him on a par with other values. In particular, with such a banal value as the availability of free time, not busy with work. Well, and others, such as health.

                A normal person does not perceive this action as normal. For him, the level of material consumption, expressed in the amount of money spent on a monthly basis (mind you, are not earned at all, but spent are two different things) is the most important thing that is valuable to him in this life. All other values ​​are crowded somewhere at the foot, and are hardly noticeable. So let's list them. This is free time. Health. Recreation. Sleep. The level of cultural and intellectual development. Communication with friends (and their very presence). Communication with the family (and its very presence). Parenting (and their very presence). And much more. A normal person is ready to sacrifice all this, and sacrifices hard, for the sake of increasing the level of material consumption by a certain amount, say, 20%, during career growth. Money in this case has some mystical, religious significance. A normal person is not even able to think in this direction.

                Downshifter returns money to their original function - not the end, but the means. Which immediately puts them on a par with other values, which means that it forces them to be ranked in order of importance, with weighting factors. And then it immediately turns out that spending ALL your time on making money is, to put it mildly, completely impractical. It is much more natural to devote to this fascinating process, say, half the time. And the remaining half - to other things. And immediately it becomes possible to have everything that was so lacking - and get enough sleep, and read books, and go camping, and raise children.


                Something like this. I often say that we are not born to make money and pay taxes. But in fact, people, like circus horses, run around in a circle, earning, spitting on themselves, on children, on relatives and do not even try to think about life.
                “Thinking is the hardest job; that’s probably why so few are doing it. " Henry Ford
      2. Rarahin 3 October 2015 12: 01 New
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        And here is the reorganization:
    3. Appraiser 3 October 2015 10: 37 New
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      According to TASS: Refugees entered the Channel Tunnel, trains had to be stopped. Trains will not travel for several hours until the on-site police rule out the danger of the situation. British and French law enforcement officers work on site. They are trying to force refugees to leave the territory. Migrants tried to get through the tunnel to the UK from the French port of Calais. Here it is “5th Column” and there is no need for hostilities in Europe. “The invasion has begun” .... hi
      1. VseDoFeNi 3 October 2015 12: 04 New
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        Quote: Appraiser
        and fighting in Europe is not necessary. "The invasion has begun" ....

        Moreover, for a long time, if in London the most popular name for boys was Muhammad in variations.
    4. GradusHuK 4 October 2015 00: 14 New
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      The fall of the Berlin Wall and the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Europe was the collapse of the entire USSR. Sorry of course. But what is happening on the WORLD arena now? The main hegemon and its satellites will get tired of swallowing dust from everything done! Sow the wind, reap the storm!
  2. venaya 3 October 2015 05: 31 New
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    Europe is finally beginning to see clearly, murmur ...

    Well, finally, how much we hoped for it, waited. A millennium of endless wars should someday lead to insight. But when will the result appear? And pah, pah ... knock on wood.
  3. Andrey Yuryevich 3 October 2015 05: 37 New
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    Europe, doesn’t want a gloomy war, Europe wants love (same-sex) ... lol
    1. Aleks28 3 October 2015 06: 50 New
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      Europe, doesn’t want a gloomy war, Europe wants love (same-sex) ..

      Oh, to the point .. The same flags were noticed. That was their main goal, and the rest .. Yes, to attract attention.
    2. VseDoFeNi 3 October 2015 12: 34 New
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      Europe wants love (same-sex) ...

      This is pure Satanism. The enemy of the human race destroys people not only in wars, but also by planting "families" that do not give children. And so that the Satanists would not be bored without the children, these children are taken from normal (from normal?) Families.
  4. EvgNik 3 October 2015 05: 41 New
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    Let's hope the stone wears away water.
  5. B- 3ACADE 3 October 2015 05: 43 New
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    Mice !!! Cry lament but you will
    Eat this cactus!

    Obama
  6. Oman 47 3 October 2015 05: 44 New
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    Germany was occupied only by the Americans (it’s already 70 years), and it will be also by the Arabs.
    You will have a calm life and the famous ORDUNUNG, the mattress covers ...
  7. 2С5 3 October 2015 06: 17 New
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    ... Europe does not want, but it’s direct dream of tombstone! Yes for the money, yes to annoy Russia, but always pagalst ... straight pink-blue ukromechta lol
  8. 33 Watcher 3 October 2015 06: 23 New
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    What's the point? In a democratic, civilized West, the opinion of citizens has not been of interest to anyone for a long time ...
  9. MIKHAN 3 October 2015 06: 29 New
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    And although life in Russia is not sugar, but the feeling that we are an independent and proud country is worth a lot!
  10. rotmistr60 3 October 2015 06: 31 New
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    Europe is finally begins to see clearlygrumble and stubbornly resist the American military presence.

    I would like to believe in it. But, something tells us that Europe will see clearly when it is too late. And I don’t want to talk about the Baltic states - the country of laying. Therefore, after using for their own purposes, these countries will not be needed by anyone.
    1. 0255 3 October 2015 09: 18 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Europe is finally begins to see clearlygrumble and stubbornly resist the American military presence.

      I would like to believe in it. But, something tells us that Europe will see clearly when it is too late. And I don’t want to talk about the Baltic states - the country of laying. Therefore, after using for their own purposes, these countries will not be needed by anyone.

      Come on, if anything, the German police will disperse these demonstrators, and no State Department will protest against the dispersal. Will the US base in Germany continue
  11. S_Baykala 3 October 2015 06: 55 New
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    So you had to wake up early. Now Amers have a new club in their hands - the threat of ethnic conflict. What, what, and they know how to do such tricks better than anyone.
  12. Zomanus 3 October 2015 06: 55 New
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    Yes, they do not see nifig. This is just a reason to distract attention from real problems, for example with migrants.
    So do not flatter yourself at the expense of the fact that Europe is beginning to see clearly.
  13. Masya masya 3 October 2015 07: 24 New
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    Like, don't like, Terry is my beauty ...
  14. tomsk 3 October 2015 07: 24 New
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    Really fooled ..!
  15. mamont5 3 October 2015 07: 31 New
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    "Europe does not want to be the US launch pad for wars"

    And that is sensible. Why die in the fire of a nuclear war ?! We must live and trade freely, without looking back at the displeasure of Uncle Sam.
  16. sl22277 3 October 2015 07: 33 New
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    What made Europe come to such conclusions, is it really action in Syria? Washington uses all efforts: diplomatic, agents in the European elites, the media to force the countries of Europe into a suicidal tough confrontation with Russia.
    1. Tatyana 3 October 2015 21: 26 New
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      What made Europe come to such conclusions is it really action in Syria?
      Without any doubt! In Europe still alive are people who still personally remember bitter destructive results for the European countries themselves during World War II and the commandment of ADVANCED politicians is NEVER to get involved in a war with Russia.
  17. Million 3 October 2015 07: 48 New
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    He doesn’t want, but so far he’s doing the opposite. And as usual, the opinion of the people does not interest anyone
  18. B- 3ACADE 3 October 2015 07: 52 New
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    I keep thinking: Are the Germans blown away?
    They have been suffering American bases on their territory for so many years.
    Surely the Bundeswehr-traitor generals, otherwise deployed leopards
    trunks towards the checkpoint and said: where is our gold? tramps ...
    Don’t give it away, we will change each for weight. And American Soldiers
    well-fed but ill-mannered.
  19. Dimka999 3 October 2015 08: 04 New
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    Well .... in the case of katawashi suicide bombers they will be the first ....
  20. Bosk 3 October 2015 08: 34 New
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    And what did you want ?, the only country in Europe where the population is unanimous with the government regarding the American presence is probably Poland and England ... although England is a special case, this country, if it is able to "make friends", it is usually friendship against someone though, if you think about it, Poland is also from that series ...
  21. akudr48 3 October 2015 10: 02 New
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    Europe does not want to be the starting point of the United States for war

    But from doesn't want to will not be very big distance.

    Of course, it’s good for us that there are many against it, at the demonstrations it’s nice to see on TV.

    However, the separation of the interests of the United States and Europe into much is artificial, yet it is their single, Western world, and Russia does not have a place there.

    If only as a supplier of resources for their rich life, but with Russian nuclear and nuclear teeth pulled out, without aviation, navy, etc.

    “Our” compradors and traitors, who are not few in power, want their stolen capital from Russia, real estate, families, assets, everything is already there in the West.

    This is the problem, in the long overdue change of the ruling layer.
  22. Zaurbek 3 October 2015 10: 10 New
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    Do not flatter yourself at the expense of Europe. They are even worse than the USA. The Americans even say bluntly what they need. Europeans at least four times wanted to finish us and four times got their teeth. Do you think they loved us more? They will be the first to dance
    1. Baikal 3 October 2015 17: 13 New
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      Our grandfathers-generals in 1945 made a mistake.
      While there was an opportunity and a moment - it was necessary destroy the entire population of fascist countries in the same camps in which our people were destroyed ...
  23. Zaurbek 3 October 2015 10: 12 New
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    More cynicism, rape women, do not take prisoners ...!
  24. Zaurbek 3 October 2015 10: 12 New
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    More cynicism, rape women, do not take prisoners ...!
  25. Vladimir 1964 3 October 2015 10: 33 New
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    In all likelihood, it would be difficult for the German military-political leadership to ignore the opinion of almost the whole city.


    Dear author, you yourself believe in what you publish. Oleg, when this guide took into account the opinion of its population. Similar actions in "old" Europe take place every weekend, of course in different places. This is a peculiar expression of their citizenship by the population, and the authorities treat them absolutely loyally.

    Something like this, Dear. hi
  26. Dimy4 3 October 2015 10: 51 New
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    The European guys are somewhere far away, inspired by the instinct of self-preservation, in the depths of consciousness begins to show the question: "What will happen if ...?"
  27. DobryAAH 3 October 2015 10: 52 New
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    Someone there does not want, but they do not solve anything.
  28. bsk_mna54 3 October 2015 11: 44 New
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    Why the gay people do not want to be cannon fodder? Something woke up, or was it scary, looking at the action of Russians in Syria? If you don’t wake up, it’s time to wake up so as not to go into the liturgical
  29. veksha50 3 October 2015 13: 51 New
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    "reasonably consider the position of the country's leadership, which, in their common opinion, is turning Germany" into launch pad for NATO’s global wars "" ...

    Hmm ... matured something, but not really ... That's when they realize that their staff turned into a goal - then the protests will become different ...
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  31. Balagan 3 October 2015 15: 51 New
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    A strike in Montenegro the other day. True, for another reason, the rally, something there is not happy with the elections.
  32. NDR-791 3 October 2015 16: 11 New
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    Activist group “Stop Ramstein - No Drone War”
    Take a look at the photo for the article (if it’s from this demonstration), then count the bearded old men, a la Mack Kane ... This demonstration really went against transferring airbases to unmanned aerial vehicles. In this situation, the number of local servants is reduced significantly. At the same time, the drone operator in the same states has the status of Ch. M. Oshnik - a normal attitude towards a gamer in a serious team. But bearded grandfathers, imitating Hemenguey, near these bases and brought up a whole conscious life. The service team buragozit what to say ...
  33. RUS69 3 October 2015 17: 40 New
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    Everything is just Europe in NATO and must fulfill certain conditions, including the deployment of weapons and bases on its territory. There, in principle, it doesn’t matter whether they want to or not they must do so from the time they joined the alliance.
    Do not want bases. come out with NATO.
  34. Gor-1974 3 October 2015 17: 52 New
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    Who wants to be a nuclear funnel is for exploring the US effects of nuclear strikes.
  35. Nick888 3 October 2015 18: 03 New
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    Do not want does not mean that you will not. It is necessary, Europe, it is necessary.
  36. 31rus 3 October 2015 18: 17 New
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    Dear, in the EU, the forces that constantly oppose the Americans (but who listen to them) and there are most who are used to and benefit from the presence of the Americans, there are those who advocate, if only to speak out and all the same (for all), so you can write and take pictures for every taste, and the truth of the EU has already "laid down" under the USA and who will listen to them now, but not who
  37. persei 3 October 2015 18: 43 New
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    In all likelihood, it would be difficult for the German military-political leadership to ignore the opinion of almost the whole city.


    Yes, the leadership of Germany has long been us ... army what I think ordinary Germans
  38. Diviz 3 October 2015 22: 44 New
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    He doesn’t want to. All of Europe is an underdeveloped country that appeared after the end of World War II. So there is no development only sprats.