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In the Syrian conflict, Russia can only be the losing side.


According to reports, Russia intends to rapidly increase its military presence in Syria. Obviously, Moscow is soon planning to take the side of Bashar Asadav in the armed conflict in this country. It is for these purposes that weapons and military equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, specialists, soldiers and commanders are being transferred to Tartus and Latakia. Let us try to evaluate the measures taken by Moscow from the operational-strategic and military-technical positions.

We formulate all this in the form of brief theses. Not all assessments may seem pleasant to the taste and color. Perhaps a number of them seem overly acute. But if one maximally softens the wording, the essence of what is happening from this will change little.

1. Russia's foreign policy as a reflection of the aspirations of the broadest masses. Probably, since 1894, Russia's foreign policy has ceased to be any expression of the underlying geopolitical and national interests of the Russian people. Emperor Alexander III, it seems, became the last Russian ruler, who said: "All the Balkans are not worth the life of a Russian soldier." To a certain extent and in certain periods of his reign to this rule - the compliance of foreign policy with the national interests of the people - was followed by JV Stalin. But after his death, the gap between the interests of the people and the pursued foreign policy reached an incredible depth. The inhabitants of Kostroma, Saratov, Arkhangelsk and many other areas were delighted, for example, by Nikita Khrushchev for the interests of the world communist and labor movement, proletarian internationalism and world peace practically did not affect, and if it did, only in one direction - further deterioration standard of living. The foreign policy of the USSR during the late historical materialism finally became a manifestation of the personal ambitions of the leaders, their liking and coolness (and even outright corruption - for the period 1985 – 1991), a movement against elementary common sense and flow. Finally, a manifestation of ordinary adventurism. In this regard, it is enough to list only the antics, jumps and verbal escapades of Nikita Khrushchev. One indonesian история what it costs. And the Caribbean crisis? And the struggle for the liberation of Africa?

And so far, the connection between the country's foreign policy and the deep interests of the people has not been fully restored. And modern Syrian history is an unequivocal confirmation of this.

2. Previous USSR experience in the Middle East.
By and large, it can be regarded as purely negative. Here only such expressions can be used: affront, failure, failure, defeat, catastrophe. The most characteristic and colorful page - in 1972, the president of Egypt, Anwar Sadat, in 24 hours ordered Soviet military specialists to leave Egypt. Until now, no one can clearly and clearly, and slowly and point by point, state what we did in those years in the Middle East? What for? For what purpose? What were our possible policy dividends? In addition to the confused and confusing patter from pseudo-experts of Middle Eastern orientation, which contain phrases of a purely general nature, nothing clear, concrete and clear in response can be heard even today.

3. Possible allies.
Not yet traceable. In any case, it will not be NATO countries. They will be watching with interest (and sometimes even with sympathy) from the outside. Considering the CSTO member states as allies would be at least too optimistic. And the matter is not at all in the meager military and economic potentials of these countries. The state interests within the CSTO are too mixed. And very little in common in mentality. This block is suitable, perhaps, only for one - demonstrative military actions, in form and spirit reminiscent of the military-sports game "Zarnitsa", and to no non-binding conversations of general geopolitical orientation near the fireplace. If you rename the CSTO in the PPR - they came, they talked, they diverged, then this would probably more fully correspond to the essence of the pseudo-military and practically unsuitable union.

4. Previous modern domestic strategic experience. While negative. To such should probably be attributed with a crash failed project "Novorossiya". With high probability we can assume that on the wave after the Crimean euphoria, some whispers quietly inspired the first persons of the Russian state: “Your Excellency, tell me just a word, and the entire Left-Bank Ukraine to Transnistria, inclusive, of this evil Kiev will be postponed. And even Kiev itself will humbly fall to your feet. ” Not deferred. And did not fall. And with Novorossia somehow didn’t work at all. And the word is no longer in circulation. And the assessments of the military-political situation among officials began to change quite significantly over time. And hastily proclaimed people's republics - an integral and legitimate part of the territory of Ukraine.

Now, the same whisperers formulate forecasts for the development of the situation in Syria and in the Middle East as a whole. They have not yet been impaled for previous estimates and predictions, and they are already writing new ones tirelessly.

This thesis can also be viewed from the following angle - and how successful are the predictions of near-power strategists and futurologists? The answer is also purely negative. If there is any doubt, it is easy to make the following table - position, last name, first name, what and when I predicted, the result. By the time such a document is compiled at the expense of one or two, and malicious malevolence and subsequent reasons for despondency will be at least a year.

5. The strategy of unfinished business.
Moscow has not really brought order to the North Caucasus. Under certain approaches, what is happening there can even be viewed as an armed truce with the payment of tribute. Having not completed one important matter, the Kremlin is bustling with a headlong rush into the whirlpool of the next one.

6. Domestic strategists.
The strategy for ignorant people seems like a barracks tale. All strategic decisions are sometimes so obvious that a person with an extramural sociological education is quite capable of taking them, confident in the authorities. But in fact, all this is two orders of magnitude more complicated than the special chapters of higher mathematics. In strategy, as in politics, the chicken often hatches ducklings - the consequences turn out to be completely different from the reasons that gave rise to them (Alexander Svechin). And it is not the first action that needs to be predicted (this is easiest), but what the last act of the play will look like. And this is a gift from God.

In general, see thesis number four.

7. Available forces and means.
In 1968, during the planning of Operation Danube (the entry of troops from the Warsaw Pact countries into Czechoslovakia), USSR Defense Minister Marshal Andrei Grechko told the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee: “If there are fewer 25 divisions, I don’t take it.” That is, the front-line soldier knew that it was necessary to lean heavily on large forces and immediately, and not to strain them a teaspoon per year. So, unfortunately, it happened in Afghanistan when the USSR tried to pacify a large mountainous country with the forces of four divisions. The same mistake was made by the Americans in Vietnam, gradually and gradually increasing the combat and strength of their armed forces in Southeast Asia. First 50 thousand fighters. Few. Then 100 thousand. Again a little. Then 200. Again, not enough. Finally, 500, and the war is already lost. The “500 and Immediately” option was misunderstood by the Americans at the time.

Think about your homeland before


Today in Syria, according to foreign intelligence reports, four Su-30CM, 12 Su-25, four helicopters and an artillery division. It should be noted that such an outfit of forces and means is the best reason for igniting the conflict. It's just like standing next to a Middle Eastern fire and pouring a mug of gas into it.

And theoretically, in order to defeat ISIS and the terrorist international proper in Syria (according to the minimal estimates, based on the elementary balance of forces and means), at least ten combined-arms divisions, the air force, approximately equivalent to the air force of the Soviet period, at least 15 – 20 artillery regiments , the relevant parts of the rest of the armed forces. Combat activities of such a contingent will require just a huge expenditure of material resources - ammunition, fuel, food.

As you know, where the railway ends, the war ends. There is no railway connection between Russia and Syria. Very, very little can be thrown through the air. There remains a long sea route (several days there and the same back). Airborne landing facilities of the Black Sea fleet represented by only one brigade, on the move in which there are only a few dilapidated from time to time BDK projects 775 and 1171, the youngest of which at least a quarter century. In this case, you will have to resort to mobilizing the ships of the former Minmorflot. Currently, there is only one suitable port for loading troops and materiel on the Black Sea - Novorossiysk, which is completely overloaded. It is easy to imagine how much the rest of the activities of this port will be paralyzed when loading only one division.

Here is an example from the sphere of material support of the combat activity of the troops. At one time in Afghanistan, while the Termez-Hairaton-Kabul pipeline was not stretched, they could not provide the required military tension for the 40 Army air force. And only for one reason - due to the lack of aviation kerosene.

8. Who will fight from Russia.
Send recruiting youth to Syria is unlikely to be possible. This will cause mass protests among the widest sections of the Russian population (see paragraph 1). It means that the Syrian contingent will have to be recruited by contract servicemen. Those, at the most minimal estimates, will require at least 100 thousands of people. In other words, almost the entire contractual Russian army will have to be sent to a distant and hot country. At the same time, issues of decent remuneration of the military labor of this contingent in a freely convertible currency will arise at full height. Otherwise, there will be a massive failure to fulfill international debt. It will be very difficult to make up for possible losses. And, finally, a contract serviceman will think more about how to get home with money, rather than show courage and military heroism in the performance of international duty. That is, the problems of motivation in the performance of combat and operational tasks will be more than tangible.

9. Tactical nuance.
The main unit in the conduct of hostilities with irregular formations of the semi-partisan type is a motorized rifle battalion reinforced by a company tanks, battery (division) of self-propelled artillery, MLRS battery, mortars, flamethrowers, aircraft gunners for interaction with the Air Force. That is, the battalion commander must be prepared for the effective management of this complex economy. Interestingly, and we have many such battalion commanders today?

10. Territory.
There is a very lightweight opinion that Syria is not Afghanistan, there is desert and semi-desert terrain. And it will be very easy to disperse rebels and ISIS terrorists in such a territory. And in fact, the terrain there is the same as around Algeria, where France for almost ten years, for life and death, fought the partisan movement. And the cruelty of the actions of the French troops differed little from the notorious Sonderkommando. Ultimately, Paris ingloriously left Algeria, taking with it almost two million white citizens.

11. American benefits. It is quite possible that unbridled optimism reigns in the White House about the upcoming Russian military intervention in the civil war in Syria. “As for the Kremlin, they didn’t try, nothing worked, but today Moscow can’t think of a better way to break the neck,” politicians and strategists in Washington are happily rubbing their hands. “Push the Falling!” - They are gloatingly sentencing on the Potomac River. This explains why Washington’s position that is more flexible from recent times on the Syrian issue. There can not wait for the outbreak of hostilities.

Looks like the Afghan trap will ring with a clatter again. Everything is still about one to one (the facts in the table).

But there is a significant difference. Babrak Karmal at least controlled the situation in Kabul. And the capital of Afghanistan did not resemble Stalingrad in October 1942 of the year. Bashar Asad today does not fully control even his capital, Damascus. In addition, LIH in Afghanistan in December 1979 as a state (albeit a quasi-state) was not. And in the Middle East it is. In the ranks of the armed groups of ISIS almost 200 thousands of armed and well-organized fanatics.

12. Who will pay for the banquet? Undoubtedly, Bashar Asad will not be able to pay in full in a freely convertible currency the alleged participation of the Armed Forces of Russia in the civil war in Syria. And this armed confrontation with an inordinate burden will fall on Russia's rapidly dwindling and penetrating all sorts of holes. And the fight against LIH will simply require money.

13. Estimated Russian benefit.
It is quite possible that Moscow is planning to regain the political and economic positions lost after the annexation of the Crimea and the war in the Donbass by fighting ISIS.

But this is very unlikely, let me say. In addition to verbal encouragement (and this is at best), Russia will receive nothing from the West and the United States. And then - on Tuesday they will be encouraged, and on Wednesday - they will already condemn and establish international tribunals to investigate the atrocities of the Russian troops in Syria. And when it turns out to be a complete and final hole in the hole, it is also so frank to laugh.

A meaningless waste of material resources and human capital - this will be the result of our country's participation in the emerging Middle Eastern adventure.

And at the best, sanctions will be lifted in the years through 30 – 40. If also canceled.

14. Findings. What to do.


Russia has absolutely no reason to get involved in another Middle Eastern adventure. And Bashar Assad is not at all a brother or ally. As stated in one of the cult domestic films: “You are not my brother ...” Well, you know what's next.

The country's deepest national interests and the implications of another war with irreparably disastrous consequences for the state do not have a single, even the smallest point of contact.

The most important problems of our country are internal. And at this stage, all international activities should be reduced to a very necessary minimum. It would not be a big exaggeration to say that during the discussion of issues very far from the true interests of the state, the planes of the Russian Foreign Ministry will burn more kerosene than the heating season requires for many and many regions of the country.

In the emerging Syrian adventure fatty point should be put as quickly as possible.
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  1. Riv
    Riv 30 September 2015 05: 25
    +34
    Conclusions: the article is another mediocre hohlovyser.
    1. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 30 September 2015 06: 02
      +24
      from Khodarenka smacks of Khodarkovsky, why would it.
      article of purest water FALSE
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 30 September 2015 07: 14
        +16
        Russia has absolutely no reason to get involved in another Middle Eastern adventure. And Bashar Assad is not at all a brother or ally. As stated in one of the cult domestic films: “You are not my brother ...” Well, you know what's next.

        But we have brothers who have been screaming at us loudly for two years now that they are not brothers to us at all ...
      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander 30 September 2015 09: 03
        +10
        Quote: vyinemeynen
        from Khodarenka smacks of Khodarkovsky, why would it.
        article of purest water FALSE


        The author does not understand simple things - if Russia closes in "in itself", then the victorious ISIS in Syria with tens of thousands of thugs will come to Russia and have to fight them already here, on SOYA territory. Normal politicians try to do it on a stranger.
        1. vyinemeynen
          vyinemeynen 30 September 2015 10: 10
          +4
          the author carries this nonsense quite deliberately.
          how the article coincided with the statement of the GDP that under no circumstances will Russian troops take part in the hostilities in Syria.
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 30 September 2015 12: 08
          +2
          Quote: Aleksander
          The author does not understand simple things - if Russia closes in "in itself", then the victorious ISIS in Syria with tens of thousands of thugs will come to Russia and have to fight them already here, on SOYA territory. Normal politicians try to do it on a stranger.

          ... and they will come (already arrived! according to the latest unverified reports - 8000 digging ...) to the Muslim Caucasus and Central Asia!
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 30 September 2015 14: 28
          +5
          Quote: Aleksander
          The author does not understand simple things - if Russia closes in "in itself", then the victorious ISIS in Syria with tens of thousands of thugs will come to Russia and have to fight them already here, on SOYA territory. Normal politicians try to do it on a stranger.

          He understands everything, but only the betrayal of national interests is disguised as a "good" and is paid in dollars
      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander 30 September 2015 09: 03
        +8
        Quote: vyinemeynen
        from Khodarenka smacks of Khodarkovsky, why would it.
        article of purest water FALSE


        The author does not understand simple things - if Russia closes in "in itself", then the victorious ISIS in Syria with tens of thousands of thugs will come to Russia and will have to fight them already here, on YOUR territory. Normal politicians try to do it on a stranger.
        The analogy with Afghanistan is inappropriate, because The USSR left there a completely viable Najibullah government, which is absolutely independently successfully lived TWO years, and with the slightest help of Russia with fuel, it would have lived on.
        1. alecsis69
          alecsis69 1 October 2015 01: 24
          0
          The analogy with Afghanistan was taken superficially, something was corrected, something was distorted, and here you are, a sign with full compliance was born.
      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 30 September 2015 12: 41
        +6
        The article is nasty, even arguing with the author is disgusting.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 30 September 2015 07: 00
      +13
      The author either does not catch up with something, or a clear enemy of Russia. Russia is a global player and determines its influence in neighboring regions.
      1. cyberhanter
        cyberhanter 30 September 2015 07: 55
        +11
        Well, there’s something rational in his words - Russia simply won’t pull a real war. Then, when it was necessary to help, they were slammed, as in New Russia. But on this his rightness in my eyes ends :)
        Now IMHO limited contingents can be sent there, to help guard key points and participate in targeted operations, and thus teach our army to fight. There is no better training than practice.
      2. WKS
        WKS 30 September 2015 09: 58
        -1
        Quote: siberalt
        The author either does not catch up with something, or a clear enemy of Russia. Russia is a global player and determines its influence in neighboring regions.

        This author should be sent "to the soap", there is no sense in his conclusions.
      3. BMW
        BMW 30 September 2015 13: 34
        -1
        Quote: siberalt
        Russia is a global player and determines its influence in neighboring regions.


        Well, yes, determined in Ukraine. You probably don’t need to list further;
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 30 September 2015 13: 40
          +2
          Quote: bmw
          Well, yes, determined in Ukraine.

          In Ukraine, there was no approval from the Washington regional committee, and Syria appeared, like in the spring of 2014 a cry arose at the proposal to send troops to Ukraine - "What are you, yes, sanctions and most importantly - how will you explain the death of their children to mothers?" the authors of these speeches will come up with something like that, though with an international debt not very much, the international died along with the USSR
    3. samoletil18
      samoletil18 30 September 2015 08: 00
      +3
      Quote: Riv
      Conclusions: the article is another mediocre hohlovyser.

      The point about the allies should be written like this: we have suppliers of cheap slaves in Central Asia. strength with heroin and marijuana. Isn't it time for them to form a battalion with common forces and send to Assad's aid? Or will Russia keep silently watching their prostitution, which is called "multi-vector foreign policy"?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 30 September 2015 09: 49
        +2
        Quote: samoletil18
        Isn’t it time for them to form a battalion together and send Assad to help?

        Yes, they have already formed, and not one, only for some reason they are helping not Assad, but just the opposite. Can it be because they are Sunnis, like their brothers in faith from ISIS?
        And Russia, by the way, also (albeit unintentionally) sent a total of no less than the battalion to the ranks of ISIS. And also Sunni Muslims - people of Caucasian nationalities, Tatars, and who else.
    4. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 30 September 2015 10: 22
      +14
      A funny article in the style of "Russian partisans surrender!" In the 90s, we passed the principle of sitting out, the result of NATO at our borders is flexing its muscles and an economic war. We left Afghanistan, as a result, in 10 years we lost 15 thousand people, now we are losing 70 thousand people annually from drugs, the tragedy is that we did not support Afghanistan.

      Now about what we can get by intervening:

      1. We are eliminating the terrorist threat to our country at distant approaches. Each ISIS soldier killed in Syria is an ISIS sheep who did not come to fight in Russia;

      2. Having retained control over Syria, we will forever close the Qatar-EU gas pipeline project, which the US so dreams of. The Russian gas stranglehold on the neck of Europe will remain in place, and this is very important;

      3. Having eliminated ISIS in Syria and Iraq, we will block the supply of contraband oil to the world markets, which is sold at dumping prices. This action alone will pay for any military operation against ISIS within a few months, if not several weeks;

      4. Russia, leaving its gas stranglehold on the EU’s neck, removes another stranglehold from the EU’s neck - the American stranglehold in the form of an influx of refugees allegedly fleeing ISIS. American NGOs that massively organize the “Arabs' exodus to the EU” will have to curtail work, because after the defeat of ISIS, it will be impossible to force EU residents to accept millions of refugees, even if they are shown hundreds more staged photographs with children's corpses;

      5. Russia will fix itself as the main "security provider" in the Middle East. This position is expensive in the literal sense, since the main trade routes of the planet intersect in the Middle East and the main sources of hydrocarbons are located there.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 30 September 2015 12: 17
        -4
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        A funny article in the style of "Russian partisans surrender!" In the 90s, we passed the principle of sitting out, the result of NATO at our borders is flexing its muscles and an economic war.
        ... Now about what we can get by intervening: ...

        ... and 6. War is imminent! And this war is against NATO, indirectly against the United States! And we lost the army and the ability to mobilize to repel the threats of the aggressor during "perestroika" ..
        So, such a "quiet" local conflict is the development of combat effectiveness, the testing of strategies and tactics, testing of new weapons ... Not to mention political dividends ...
        China understood this well: it seems that they will finance the war with ISIS. It seemed like there was a message that they had sent their aircraft carrier there ...
        And about the absence of railways: who remembers "the entry of Warsaw Pact troops into Czechoslovakia"? By rail, what and how much was introduced there? like from the Far East ... in 40 minutes, it seems ... or in 2 hours? ...
    5. Asadullah
      Asadullah 30 September 2015 10: 42
      +1
      Conclusions: the article is another mediocre hohlovyser.


      Undoubtedly. There is even laziness to comment on, the author must be stupidly carved in public in order to no longer write. I didn’t write anything.
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    8. marlin1203
      marlin1203 30 September 2015 11: 18
      +1
      Even such a panicky article has serious questions. Helping with equipment and specialists is one thing, but replacing the Syrian and Kurdish infantry is another. The fact that the contingent should be large and self-sufficient if it is introduced is also true, otherwise we will lose people and the task will not be fulfilled. And it is necessary to help, if only because "they gave the floor.
    9. little girl15
      little girl15 30 September 2015 12: 03
      0
      I did not understand what the author piled in the article?
  2. Name
    Name 30 September 2015 05: 30
    +22
    Greetings to all! They won’t let Khodarenko be called who he really is, although they could make an exception once ... In general, author-terry scoundrel! The most bizobny.
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 30 September 2015 05: 32
      +8
      Quote: name
      In general, the author is a terry scoundrel! The most bizobny.

      They’ll probably miss it: the author is a complete h (M) blow. On stake!
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 30 September 2015 09: 58
        -1
        Quote: Penetrator
        h (M) beat
        Plus for just one newly invented term "hмudak "- a cross between Ch.M.O and an eccentric with the letter M.
        Quote: Penetrator
        On stake!
        But where so many stakes to get enough? ISIS consists of hundreds of thousands, and millions support them. Then even shoot machine guns overheat. Only if carpet bombing and napalm.
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 30 September 2015 12: 31
      -1
      Quote: name
      author-terry scoundrel! The most bizobny.
      or laughing
  3. venaya
    venaya 30 September 2015 05: 31
    +8
    In the Syrian conflict, Russia can only be the losing side.

    Conclusion from the article - this should not be allowed.
  4. svp67
    svp67 30 September 2015 05: 38
    +12
    Today in Syria, according to foreign intelligence reports, four Su-30CM, 12 Su-25, four helicopters and an artillery division. It should be noted that such an outfit of forces and means is the best reason for igniting the conflict. It's just like standing next to a Middle Eastern fire and pouring a mug of gas into it.
    Armada ... threatening the world, EVEN NOT FUNNY. The author would be better off calculating how many NATO troops are in that region and compare, and after that, let him draw conclusions ...
  5. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 30 September 2015 05: 39
    +10
    author-most liberal liberal ... by e-mail angry
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 06: 08
      -19%
      And that Yurich is not ura-patriotic, but a sound analysis of the eyes hurts .. an excellent article is a big plus, turn on the brain of a colleague.
      Goodbye rating crying minus how much will fit. laughing

      besides emotions, not one argument against the arguments of the author .... hurray snot, solid
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 30 September 2015 06: 38
        +15
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        besides emotions, not one argument against the arguments of the author .... hurray snot, solid

        And is the statement of the President of the Russian Federation that Russia will not participate in the ground operation in Syria under any circumstances an argument for you? The entire article is based on the hypothetical use of the RF Armed Forces in the Syrian conflict. That's the whole "common analysis".
        PS A lot of honor to minus you. Plusanul to you. For the rating you care about
        PPS Isn't this your comment on the article "Why Russia is saving Syria and not Ukraine" four days ago "A good analysis, not clouded by unnecessary confusion, article +"? http://topwar.ru/83158-pochemu-rossiya-spasaet-siriyu-a-ne-ukrainu.html#comment-
        id-5011260 Yes, you are just an example of unwaveringness!
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 06: 46
          -16%
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          besides emotions, not one argument against the arguments of the author .... hurray snot, solid

          And is the statement of the President of the Russian Federation that Russia will not participate in the ground operation in Syria under any circumstances an argument for you? The entire article is based on the hypothetical use of the RF Armed Forces in the Syrian conflict. That's the whole "common analysis".
          PS A lot of honor to minus you. Plusanul to you. For the rating you care about


          ATP of course, if I was in charge of the rating, I would cheer together with diarrhea together with diarrhea .. As for Syria, as soon as they begin to be crushed, they will return back to Russia and it will not be funny .. just don’t think that they will kill all the militants
          1. Penetrator
            Penetrator 30 September 2015 06: 59
            +5
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            With regards to Syria, as soon as they begin to be crushed, they will return back to Russia and it will not be funny .. just don’t think that all the militants will be killed there

            Do you seriously think that the citizens of the Russian Federation who are now fighting on the side of ISIS will be given the green light to return?
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 07: 14
              -1
              Do you think that they will ask him? infiltrated through a leaky border, easily ..
              1. Penetrator
                Penetrator 30 September 2015 07: 51
                0
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                infiltrated through a leaky border, easily.

                In what place are holes, do not tell? And then I really need ...
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 11: 25
                  -5
                  Do you still believe that she is guarded by the Karatsup border guard? castle border, etc.? wassat
                  1. CONTROL
                    CONTROL 30 September 2015 12: 29
                    0
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    Do you still believe that she is guarded by the Karatsup border guard? castle border, etc.? wassat

                    I propose to check in person ... to avoid, so to speak!
                2. VEKT
                  VEKT 30 September 2015 11: 39
                  +3
                  And you look at the southern border, from Kazakhstan to Pakistan, the border is only on paper, I don’t want to go through.
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 30 September 2015 10: 07
              +1
              Quote: Penetrator
              Do you seriously think that the citizens of the Russian Federation who are now fighting on the side of ISIS will be given the green light to return?
              Be sure to give a green light, and smoothly asphalt the road so that they come with a breeze, and there was no desire to turn around. Well, then along Vysotsky "and at the end of the road that block with axes", and better by you the above-mentioned count. There will be no more than a couple of thousand of these "returnees", there will be enough stakes for so many, the more the stake is not a bullet - it is suitable for repeated use.
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 30 September 2015 15: 03
            +1
            they will go back to Russia and it will not be funny.


            Your concerns are understandable. Only, "ours" are much better prepared and just like ordinary Arabs do not fight. They don’t use Arabic on the air, they don’t change their callsigns, it’s like a thug’s car number, they use a small number of funding and communication channels. And most importantly, they are well watched and, of course, very much expected. It is better to be quickly buried at home, according to Muslim custom, than to wade around the world, giving no peace to himself or to others ...
        2. inkass_98
          inkass_98 30 September 2015 07: 13
          +8
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          robust eye analysis cuts .. great article big plus

          The author is either, or (more likely) a provocateur. And you, my dear fellow, follow his lead. I will not get into the jungle, but: we will not carry out a ground operation there, therefore, ALL points will be from 6 to 10th flop. And now the arguments that you don't see. There was a country Afghanistan, where we got in, and then the Americans. If it had not been for the political decision to withdraw from there, if it had not been for the collapse of the Union, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda not grown by America and whatnot, there would have been a normal country without drugs and other delights. Now we have a huge abscess, from where the Basmachi climb and the opium and its derivatives flow like a river.
          Syria was a beautiful country, now it is turning into the same Afghanistan, only with oil. What other arguments are needed to realize that any stable system is better than an unstable one simply because of its predictability?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 30 September 2015 07: 54
            0
            Quote: inkass_98
            ... If it had not been for the political decision to withdraw from there, if it had not been for the collapse of the Union, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda not grown by America and whatnot, there would have been a normal country without drugs and other delights.

            If there hadn’t been a political decision to leave, this table still does not know how many would have been replenished -
            In a study conducted by officers of the General Staff under the leadership of prof. Valentina Runova, provides an assessment in 26 000 of those who died, including those who died in battle, who died from wounds and diseases, and who died as a result of accidents. The following breakdown by year is provided:
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 30 September 2015 10: 22
              +3
              Quote: Bayonet
              If there hadn’t been a political decision to leave, this table still does not know how many would have been replenished -

              My friend’s son died there, a blow to the heart was such that he and his wife did not live long after that ... And some here and now are not happy that this war was over.
              1. Jager
                Jager 30 September 2015 19: 15
                -3
                Sorry for the soldier. BUT! The Soviet army has become a barrier to drug trafficking. Of course, this is not an iron curtain, and part still leaked. And today, through the border with Tajikistan, the Afghans almost smuggle drugs to us in wagons. At least in the late 90s it was just that. Now count how many young people die every year from this infection. And how many crimes and murders were committed under the influence and in search of drugs. At times more than directly deaths. Do not crush ISIS now - they will blow up the Caucasus tomorrow.
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 1 October 2015 20: 46
                +1
                Quote: Bayonet
                My friend’s son died there,

                Guys! Sorry, but let that shit that put a minus to my deceased friends bend !!!!!!!!!!!!!! That I sincerely wish !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God sees - it will be so !!!!!
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 2 October 2015 00: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  let that shit that put a minus to my deceased friends bend
                  But such wishes, if from a pure heart, it happens that come true.
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 1 October 2015 17: 44
              +1
              Quote: Bayonet
              In a study conducted by officers of the General Staff under the leadership of prof. Valentina Runova, provides an assessment in 26 000 of those who died, including those who died in battle, who died from wounds and diseases, and who died as a result of accidents. The following breakdown by year is provided:


              Sorry, but I do not trust the information given in the table for one simple reason - the professor could have given the numbers more precisely, I saw only one - 1984 - 4400, the rest around me are not impressive. Anyone who served knows that there is the combat unit and the number of l / s in the combat unit (department) are never given "about", and specifically: in the line-100, sick-5, wounded-10 and no "about". 1980 -officers about 320. This is how much specifically -302,198,324? All the numbers are about.And also the professor.On the course of the same "professor", like ours on the site, which is always with its sad, everything is gone, but Israel is power.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 2 October 2015 09: 06
                0
                Quote: Captain45
                Sorry, but I do not trust the information in the table.

                Well, if you have other, more accurate information, share it. Actually, there has always been a tendency to underestimate losses. So to speak, so as not to lose face. hi
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 September 2015 09: 56
            +2
            Quote: inkass_98
            Taliban

            By the way, the Taliban at one time very well fought with drugs.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 30 September 2015 13: 20
              +2
              Quote: PSih2097
              By the way, the Taliban at one time very well fought with drugs.
              Until 2000, the Taliban encouraged opium production and issued an Islamic edict urging farmers to increase opium plantings; the Taliban taxed opium income with a 20% tax. For example, opium production increased in Kandahar under Taliban rule in one year alone, from 79 tons in 1995 to 120 tons in 1996. Taliban policies included direct and indirect incentives to expand opium production (see Michael K. Steinberg, "Dangerous harvest" , pp. 69-70 f., Oxford University Press, 2004). The fundamental Taliban view of opium cultivation is expressed by Abdul Rashid, who headed the Taliban's counter narcotics department in Kandahar: “We strictly prohibit the cultivation of hashish because it is used by Afghans and Muslims. But opium cultivation is allowed because it is used by kafirs in the West, not Muslim and Afghans. " (Ahmed Rashid, "Taliban", Yale University Press.
              2000, p.118-119). Currently, opium production in Afghanistan is covered by both the Taliban and the Afghan government, but the vast majority of drugs are grown in areas where the government is weak and the Taliban are strong.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 30 September 2015 07: 47
          +5
          Quote: Penetrator
          The entire article is based on a hypothetical use of the RF Armed Forces in the Syrian conflict. That's the whole "common analysis".

          Before you do something, it's a good idea to analyze! And what is so criminal in the analysis of the author? Now, if he called for the introduction of troops, then another thing - you can be outraged.

          Andrey Yurievich (2) SU Today, 05: 39 New
          author-most liberal liberal ... by e-mail
          And here is an example of "deep analysis" of the article itself smile hi
          1. Penetrator
            Penetrator 30 September 2015 08: 30
            +1
            Quote: Bayonet
            Now, if he called for the introduction of troops, then another thing - you can be outraged.

            He admits the very possibility of troop deployment, which the leadership of the Russian Federation is not clearly considering At least judging by the statements. Anyway, the impression is that the author believes that he is Dartanyan alone, and all the other advisers and analysts under the Government and the President - you know who ...
            Quote: Bayonet
            author-most liberal liberal ... by e-mail
            And here is an example of "deep analysis" of the article itself

            And yes, have fun lol
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 30 September 2015 06: 58
        +4
        besides emotions, not one argument against the arguments of the author .... hurray snot, solid
        The author of the article thinks that he is smarter than Putin and Co. ... And you, my dear afdjhbn67, were ashamed to directly call themselves "favorite67". So they veiled their nickname ... funny. Do you know who Khodarenok is? Why is he an authority for you? At least the actions and words of VVP strained and made the whole world think. What did the author of the article suggest? What do you suggest? After all, you are smarter than Putin and Co. ... I will not argue with you, my dear. Start smearing the libersopli on the glass. Fu, disgusting ...
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 07: 01
          -8
          How insightful you are, the conclusion I have with regards to you is that you are smarter than the author but you are stupider than Putin .. wassat
      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 30 September 2015 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        besides emotions, not one argument against the arguments of the author .... hurray snot, solid

        ... another anal thing?
        The table there in the article is an interesting dozen! in Word format - highlighted - copied - pasted ... And - a lot of contradictions! at least for a laugh I changed one line ... well, at least a letter ... a letter ... well, a comma ... No? sorry...
      4. victor50
        victor50 30 September 2015 17: 34
        +1
        about the railways and the end of the war I liked it! Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan extended the railroads ?!
        about foreign intervention and increased resistance of the Islamic State: is the West building houses there?
        The remaining arguments of the author, at least, make you think.
        It is possible that the West is deliberately drawing us into this conflict.
  6. CARLSON
    CARLSON 30 September 2015 05: 41
    +10
    Typical liberal nonsense, with a claim to a deep analysis of the situation and the next advice on a cosmic scale and cosmic same stupidity.
  7. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 30 September 2015 05: 46
    +3
    This is probably Khodorkovsky wrote ...
  8. vovanpain
    vovanpain 30 September 2015 05: 47
    +11
    The author, first of all, thinks not about the Motherland, but about a piece of sausage in his pocket. In general, as one of the films says: -Not you brother to us in VO. Is it possible that another liberally pro-Western world has crept through the court.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 30 September 2015 08: 31
      -2
      The author is just thinking about the homeland. And you about mythical internationalism
      1. dauria
        dauria 30 September 2015 09: 20
        +1
        The author is just thinking about the homeland


        If you think so about your homeland, then you can finally stay with one Moscow principality.

        And you about mythical internationalism


        Internationalism can be "mythical", but the Russian Federation has external interests in the region, and the United States has, and many others have ... We will defend them, or, well, us ..?
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 30 September 2015 09: 37
          -2
          Quote: dauria
          Russia has external interests in the region

          For example, what? Besides canceling the possible transit of Qatari gas to Europe?
      2. YGV-97219
        YGV-97219 30 September 2015 11: 47
        +2
        There is nothing to do with internationalism! Geopolitics are here! You have to look more, more!
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 30 September 2015 16: 20
          +1
          Quote: yugv-xnumx
          Internationalism has nothing to do with it! Here geopolitics
          Geopolitics is a political science concept, according to which the policy of states, mainly external, is determined by geographical factors (the position of the country, natural resources, climate, etc.).

          Arose in con. 19 - beg. 20th centuries (F. Ratzel, Germany; A. Mehan, USA; H. Mackinder, Great Britain; R. Challen, Sweden).

          Used to justify external expansion, especially by German fascism.

          The term "geopolitics" is also used to denote a certain influence of geographic factors (the territory of the situation, etc.) on the foreign policy of states (geopolitical strategy, etc.).
  9. Barboskin
    Barboskin 30 September 2015 05: 48
    +7
    It seems that the author is from another dimension, somewhat divorced from real events. Such measurements are observed in the USA, Ukraine and partially in the European Union. Well, this is not bad for us, the stronger our opponents move away from reality, the higher our chances of success. And now they are not even very bad!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 September 2015 05: 54
      +10
      Quote: Barboskin
      It seems that the author is from another dimension, somewhat divorced from real events.

      unfortunately, this pas.koda is the Editor-in-Chief of the newspaper "Military Industrial Courier" and the magazine "Aerospace Defense" ... if you want to get heartburn, you can go over his articles: http: //m-hodarenok.ru/? author = 1 (BUT NOT ADVISE! stop)
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 30 September 2015 06: 12
        +9
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Barboskin
        It seems that the author is from another dimension, somewhat divorced from real events.

        unfortunately, this pas.koda is the Editor-in-Chief of the newspaper "Military Industrial Courier" and the magazine "Aerospace Defense" ... if you want to get heartburn, you can go over his articles: http: //m-hodarenok.ru/? author = 1 (BUT NOT ADVISE! stop)

        THIS for sure. But for S.K.'s birthday Shoigu gave such a panegyric, mom do not cry. In the best traditions of Soviet times. It is necessary to eat, and then suddenly cut off from the feeder, but on free bread. No wonder they say that journalism is the second oldest profession. The first is growth.
  10. 1536
    1536 30 September 2015 05: 53
    +3
    There is only one conclusion: we are doing the right thing in helping Syria, because the world behind the scenes and the Ukrainians were worried and perplexed by the fact that now, having lost their face, they would have to help the terrorists, as they helped the souls in Afghanistan, to fight with government troops. What if the Russians say that it is necessary to treat not the effect, but the cause.
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  12. tyzyaga
    tyzyaga 30 September 2015 05: 57
    -3
    Are you the author? You can’t write such articles here! They’ll gobble up th ** oh! Patriots! :)
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 30 September 2015 06: 02
      0
      Quote: tyzyaga
      Are you the author? You can’t write such articles here! They’ll gobble up th ** oh! Patriots! :)

      And you, dear, right now grab the minuses. lol
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 30 September 2015 06: 38
        +3
        Quote: Penetrator
        Quote: tyzyaga
        Are you the author? You can’t write such articles here! They’ll gobble up th ** oh! Patriots! :)

        And you, dear, right now grab the minuses. lol

        Everything is confused. Trolling failed.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 September 2015 06: 27
      +1
      Quote: tyzyaga
      Patriots!

      Yes, I'm a patriot. And minus ...
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 September 2015 08: 25
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Yes, I'm a patriot. And minus ...

        A patriot is one who loves his country, his people, and does not hate everyone else!
        Your "patriotism" is all about labeling and insulting others:

        "the author is the most liberal liberal ... it would be sniffing by e-mail"
        "Unfortunately, this pas.kuda is the editor-in-chief of the newspaper" Military Industrial Courier "and the magazine" Aerospace Defense "." hi
  13. noWAR
    noWAR 30 September 2015 05: 57
    +2
    Even Khodorkovsky-bulk mixed with sulfur smacks. Oracles through kondiboberny. I read how I plunged into the slop. I went to wash. hi
  14. Felix1
    Felix1 30 September 2015 06: 00
    -7
    would put a tremendous article +. The ground operation in Syria is doomed to failure, here already if you start it to the end. the militants constantly go into close combat; darkness will fall upon the people. who needs it?
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 30 September 2015 06: 07
      +4
      And who is talking about the ground operation? Only the author who has already calculated the required minimum - 100 thousand Russian troops. Or do you think that the President of the Russian Federation is lying when he speaks of the unacceptability of using the Russian armed forces in Syria?
      1. Felix1
        Felix1 30 September 2015 06: 16
        0
        As they say, we will see. And the contingent is not among the instructors in Syria already.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 September 2015 08: 54
        +2
        Quote: Penetrator
        And who is talking about the ground operation? Only the author who has already calculated the required minimum - 100 thousand Russian troops.

        Well, as you don’t understand - the author SUGGESTS what could have happened if our troops were sent in. Moreover, at the end of the article it is said: "There is absolutely no need for Russia to get involved in another Middle Eastern adventure."
        It seems that people absolutely do not understand what they mean, but out of habit they are indignant. smile
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 30 September 2015 09: 46
          +3
          Explain why
          Quote: Bayonet
          author suggests

          in an article published after an interview and speech of the President of the Russian Federation ???
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 30 September 2015 10: 15
        +3
        Quote: Penetrator
        And who is talking about the ground operation?

        When the decision was made to send American instructors to South Vietnam, and then the marines "exclusively to protect American citizens and facilities," no one spoke about the ground operation either.
      4. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 30 September 2015 16: 29
        -2
        Quote: Penetrator
        Do you think that the President of the Russian Federation is lying when he speaks of the unacceptability of using the Russian armed forces in Syria?
        What do you think? smile

        02.09.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin condemned the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
        http://www.svoboda.org/content/article/1813249.html

        10.05.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin justified the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
        http://by24.org/2015/05/10/putin_justified_the_molotov_ribbentrop_pact/


        04.03.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX Vladimir Putin: Russia is not going to annex Crimea
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1345445

        09.03.2015/23/2014 Putin: The decision to join Crimea was made on the night of February XNUMX, XNUMX
        http://www.vsesmi.ru/news/8492466/
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 30 September 2015 17: 19
          -2
          Quote: Uncle Joe
          Putin: The decision to join Crimea was made on the night of February 23, 2014

          That's it, and on the box said that the accession of Crimea was based on the will of citizens in a referendum on March 16
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 30 September 2015 19: 13
            -1
            Quote: rosarioagro
            That's it, and on the box said that the accession of Crimea was based on the will of citizens in a referendum on March 16


    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 30 September 2015 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Felix1
      the militants constantly go into close combat; darkness will fall upon the people. who needs it?

      already there is infa - yeah, they go to close combat, even run! just backwards ...
      "Shchyrye" Muslims there - for some reason 30% are red or blond, not a word in Arabic ... they whip alcohol, smoke ... Mercenaries wandering in the east, fed by the USA and Great Britain! Europeans (Germans, Scandinavians, British, Russians, Ukrainians ... Chechens ... our Central Asians; well, locals! up to 70% ... and there are Jews - where can we go without them! contingent! ...)
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 30 September 2015 13: 38
        +3
        Strange as that. Censors have already dug up a grave for Russia.
  15. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 30 September 2015 06: 04
    +1
    Everything is correct - the author echoes the lame one from the State Department ... And his name is definitely Khodorkovsky!
  16. gudgeon
    gudgeon 30 September 2015 06: 06
    +3
    The author is a typical liberal miscarriage with analyst claims. By the way, the style of his articles is very reminiscent of the notorious Rezun. Apparently from one trough slurp.
  17. AndreyBars
    AndreyBars 30 September 2015 06: 08
    +4
    Nonsense!!! Multiplied by complete ignorance of the past and present state of affairs, that in Russia it is in the World.
  18. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 30 September 2015 06: 09
    +2
    In the emerging Syrian adventure fatty point should be put as quickly as possible.
    At a time when the US allies have already begun to openly divide the territory, do you think we should shut up ..?
    If we don’t participate, then we won’t get them .. I ..!
  19. ssn18
    ssn18 30 September 2015 06: 18
    +7
    Article -.
    Someone from comrades laid out earlier, I repeat.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 06: 40
      -15%
      It’s not funny from this? what control zone? what control?
      1. ssn18
        ssn18 30 September 2015 06: 58
        +6
        Not at all. And what about "what control", can you just think?
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 07: 05
        -12%
        it's about a little chicken in nest a, testicle in ... laughing
      3. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 30 September 2015 07: 20
        +6
        It’s not funny from this? what control zone? what control?
        Yes, at least the whole Mediterranean Sea is enough.
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 30 September 2015 08: 28
          0
          Yes, let Russia at least learn to control its territory! At least the Caucasus! From where the Russians are squeezed out so that soon even the Stavropol and Krasnodar territories will not remain in the authorities! And the sky-high tribute to the maintenance of the republics of the Caucasus, the lion part of which is simply stolen.
          1. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin 30 September 2015 09: 02
            +2
            Yes, let Russia at least learn to control its territory! At least the Caucasus! From where the Russians are squeezed out so that soon even the Stavropol and Krasnodar territories will not remain in the authorities! And the sky-high tribute to the maintenance of the republics of the Caucasus, the lion part of which is simply stolen.
            If there were no control, Sevkav would have left Russia in the 90s. Maybe you forgot how the GDP calmed everything down?
            1. VEKT
              VEKT 30 September 2015 11: 55
              +1
              If there were no control, Sevkav would have left Russia in the 90s. Maybe you forgot how the GDP calmed everything down?
              Of course, we remember, and this reassurance periodically manifests itself in the CTO regimes in Dagestan and Ingushetia, and in the fact that Chechnya is being flooded with money. And this reassurance lasts while there is money, I don’t think that the soldiers of the Kadyrov’s guard will go to the factory if they suddenly stop paying them.
            2. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 12: 40
              -6
              A lot of benefits from the North. Caucasus for Russia?
              1. dmb
                dmb 30 September 2015 18: 12
                +2
                Well, they wrote, wrote healthy comments against the background of sweaty waves of "patriotism" and on you. I dare to assure you that Grozny is a much more Russian name than Ulan-Ude, and Kabarda is connected with Russia much earlier than Buryatia with Russia. And the fact that the princelings and noyons, khans and beks, are now in power, does not at all indicate the need to separate someone. It's easier to get rid of all this shobla as in the field. and in the center. Now, in essence. To my deep regret, the extremely impartial subject Khodarenok is right, and I'm afraid his rightness will be partially confirmed in the near future. Someone from the audience, rejoicing at the next "wisdom of the Leader", is able to explain what prevented Assad from winning before the appearance of our aviation, and what kind of "infrastructure" of partisan detachments we will bomb. By the way, is there any confidence that we will completely destroy our glorious compatriots, whose return to our native walls we do not want? Can it be easier to destroy them with more effective, albeit specific methods, developed in Chechnya and Dagestan immediately upon return?
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 30 September 2015 07: 59
      0
      There is the technical base of our fleet. In the future, if we do not give up Syria, a full-fledged naval base of our fleet in the Mediterranean. Do not forget about the Qatari gas, which in the case of Assad’s defeat can go through Syria to Europe instead of ours.
      1. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 30 September 2015 08: 40
        +2
        Quote: ramzes1776
        full-fledged naval base of our fleet in the Mediterranean

        There was never a full-fledged base in Syria, even during the Soviet era, because in Egypt it is more convenient
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 11: 40
        -6
        What kind of propaganda scarecrow about Qatari gas? if he had to be in Europe for a long time, until last year the Americans did what they wanted, it’s just not profitable for them ..
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 30 September 2015 12: 42
          0
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          What kind of propaganda scarecrow about Qatari gas? if he had to be in Europe for a long time,

          Who needs? Here Qatar needs as a sales market, Europe needs as an alternative to Gazprom, Turkey as a transit country, but it so happens that Syria does not need it and it has a war
  20. Combitor
    Combitor 30 September 2015 06: 20
    +5
    << In the Syrian conflict, Russia can only be a losing side >>
    It’s good that this phrase is at the very beginning. I did not waste time reading the article further.
  21. Barakuda
    Barakuda 30 September 2015 06: 34
    +4
    Again, again, ALL DROPPED? With such a mood, Russia would not have reached the Urals No.
  22. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 30 September 2015 06: 38
    +12
    Dear colleagues! I appeal to those who served in the Armed Forces of our country. After carefully reading this article, you can conclude that not everything is written so falsely. There is a certain reasonable grain. Let's not be like the users of the "censor", but carefully weigh all the arguments! And .. "hurray hurray" politics never got it right!
    Personally, I agree with the immortal phrase of Emperor Alexander 3.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 07: 07
      -7
      I really didn’t hope to see the voice of reason .. I thought only cons and cheers will be solid ..
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 30 September 2015 07: 28
        +2
        If REASON is present, why not give a shout of Hurray? can yell at sunrise. request
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    3. Aleksander
      Aleksander 30 September 2015 09: 51
      +2
      Quote: astronom1973n
      Let's not be like the users of the "censor", but weigh everything carefully arguments

      Who is against it? But there are NO reasons! Some very controversial (and often simply false) messages and, of course, incorrect conclusions are built on them.
      We will not talk about the USSR (although the Caribbean crisis began in Turkey and not by us) - it has long gone.
      -About Novorossia-lies-Putin and others like him from the very beginning (April 2014) talked about single ruin and its internal conflict and 4 there was practically no help for a month.
      -about Afghanistan-a lie, there, after our departure, there remained a secular SELF-SUFFICIENT government, and if it had not been for the help of the Western Islamists, it would have existed for a long time.
      -Mention of France in Algeria, well, what is the connection with Syria, what nonsense ?! What kind of colony is Russia fighting with all the people?
      And so on.
      My opinion is that Russia is FORCED to take part in the Syrian conflict - this is near its border, ISIS directly threatens Russia and all the Central Asian republics. If you spit on Syria today, then tens of thousands of Ishilovites will have to fight on YOUR territory, and Central Asia will turn into an inexhaustible reserve of Islamists. Therefore, it is better to beat them in Syria with the hands of the Syrian forces armed with Russia (she has infantry!), Assisting aviation, missiles and advisers, than to fight with them at home ...
  23. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 30 September 2015 06: 41
    +2
    But really, according to the table, there are counterarguments besides "he himself"?
    For example, that there is a civil war aggravated by religious differences, that the majority of the population are Sunnis, with whom there are these differences, that Assad has no opportunity to control the border from the very beginning of the war, due to which there is an influx of weapons and human resources for the war, that the foreign contingent the border control problem will not be solved, so Syria will be divided into parts - the north Kurds, the supporters of Assad Latakia and Damascus, the rest is the rest, and that’s very approximately
  24. murking
    murking 30 September 2015 06: 43
    +1
    What the hell brothers, in geopolitics there are no such concepts, Russia had the opportunity to chop off the coast and build bases on it, which equals Jackpot won the lottery. Previously, the troops did not enter, because Assad thought together with the Iranian mules that they themselves did not want to cope to give us the opportunity to expand our strength in the region. With Afghanistan, an incorrect comparison, the Soviet Union was already incredibly weak then, and it was led by an elite of elders from whom sand poured that they could not even transfer power because they were dying. Now Russia He plays at a different level, this can be seen in an elementary example, then almost all the countries of the region were against the Soviet Union, and now most of the countries in the region are for Russia's actions.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 30 September 2015 06: 47
      -2
      Quote: murking
      The Soviet Union was already incredibly weak then, and the elite from the old-timers poured sand from them, that they could not even transfer power because they were dying. Now Russia is playing at a different level

      You are an optimist :-)
      1. murking
        murking 30 September 2015 07: 06
        0
        Russia is expanding its geopolitical influence now, so America has resumed its full containment strategy, and the Soviet Union has lost influence all over the world, led by people who barely walked on their feet, which led to shame in Afghanistan. The fall along the sloping led to the largest loss of territory , without a single shot, in the entire history of mankind, so here all the facts are on the face.
        1. VEKT
          VEKT 30 September 2015 12: 05
          -4
          Russia is expanding its geopolitical influence now, so America has resumed its full containment strategy, and the Soviet Union has lost influence all over the world, led by people who barely walked on their feet, which led to shame in Afghanistan. The fall along the sloping led to the largest loss of territory , without a single shot, in the entire history of mankind, so here all the facts are on the face.

          Where is Russia expanding its geopolitical influence? Russia even has no influence on its allies in the person of Belarus and Kazakhstan. During the Afghan war, the USSR helped with weapons and advisers to Syria, Ethiopia in the war with Somalia, Angola and Mozambique. The country simply overstrained. Now we are rocking, God forgive me, Georgia.
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 07: 08
      -9
      We didn’t pull the base there even when Brezhnev and Assad, the eldest kissed the gums
  25. V.ic
    V.ic 30 September 2015 06: 49
    +9
    In the emerging Syrian adventure, the bold point must be put as soon as possible. Author Mikhail Khodarenok

    1. Adventure to displace Bashar al-Assad so-called the opposition did not take place.
    2. With the advent of our equipment and specialists in the territory controlled by Bashar al-Assad, the Israelis quickly fled to Moscow, probably to confirm that they would not bomb more military depots of the legitimate Syrian government.
    3. Western media simply keep silent about the use of poisonous substances by the "opposition" and ISIS members.
    4. Iran’s control of the blockade created by USA anti-Assad opposition and ISIS is bursting at the seams.
    5. The construction of oil and gas pipelines controlled by the "West" did not take place.
    Even in the case of our "contactless" participation in the war, the advantages for the Russian Federation are beyond doubt.
    By the way, here are the first swallows "flew": "Evelyn Farkas, who is in charge of the Pentagon for military ties with Russia and Ukraine, will resign at the end of October. RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150930/1292363886.html#ixzz3nBrp6r6r
  26. fridge
    fridge 30 September 2015 06: 55
    +6
    The author took a one-sided look at this problem. Why do the states want to remove Assad? And the Russian Federation is for Assad, many answers are in gas and oil and the location of Syria. If the West succeeds in depriving us of oil and gas dollars, then, given the defeat of the industrial sector by the liberals, Russia will not be easy at all. According to Kipling, the "Great Game" went on and will continue until the enemy is defeated.
  27. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 30 September 2015 07: 05
    +1
    Air strikes cannot win a war; infantry and sweeping the territory are needed. Obviously, it is necessary to create some kind of inter-Arab troops, with the support of the international coalition, they can defeat ISIS. And the article is useful, you should always listen to all the arguments.
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 30 September 2015 08: 09
      +5
      In addition to the Syrian army, there are Iraqi, plus Kurds. So there is someone to fight with isils, and we will help, as in Vietnam and other hot spots of the world during the Soviet era.
  28. samarin1969
    samarin1969 30 September 2015 07: 08
    +4
    Russian Spring: "On the night of September 22, a rifleman militiaman Maxim Trifonov (" Norman "," Peresvet ") was killed in Syria" ... it's time for the central channels to call the heroes - heroes, and not Alla Borisovna Pugacheva.
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 30 September 2015 08: 06
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      Russian Spring: "On the night of September 22, a rifleman militiaman Maxim Trifonov (" Norman "," Peresvet ") was killed in Syria" ...

      No need to give out truncated information. They will begin to speculate in the wrong "direction." ... "Maxim Peresvet died. A Russian volunteer from St. Petersburg who went through the heat of Donbass since the summer of 2014. He died in northern Syria, in the Kobani region, during his wars with Islamist scum from ISIS, in a detachment of Kurdish militias, ”said one of the companions of the deceased.

      Information to the fighters of New Russia was transferred to the Kurdish militia of YPG - the Kurdistan People’s Self-Defense Detachment.
  29. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 September 2015 07: 13
    +4
    Author Mikhail Khodarenok


    "And the Cossack, dad, sent! Sent!"
  30. Roust
    Roust 30 September 2015 07: 22
    +1
    walked the article darned, sitting on the jerk, tormented by constipation of smelly thoughts ...
  31. Per se.
    Per se. 30 September 2015 07: 22
    +5
    The author expressed his opinion, and I will express mine. If the title of the article is "Think about the Motherland before", it was the lines in the Soviet song that continued, "and then about yourself", the article "About yourself" is hardly the last, and what kind of "Motherland" is it, too question. You read that way, you don't need to go anywhere, sit quietly and evenly on your priest, you will be more whole ... The author does not understand how dramatic the situation in Syria is now, where Russia cannot do without Russia's help. With inaction, problems only become more acute and the situation more dramatic. Where Russia was silent and was inactive, the problems did not go away from us. In short, the article appears, to put it mildly, short-sighted, and if more sharply - treacherous, ordered, anti-Russian.
  32. igan
    igan 30 September 2015 07: 27
    +6
    Not a very pleasant feeling, Not objectivity, but a fit of facts ............ Probably on order.
  33. STN
    STN 30 September 2015 07: 28
    -4
    Yes, the article makes you think and weigh everything more than once. Which are especially clever here, are you ready to send your children to Syria? And how do you volunteer? Actually, who will ask you?
  34. Million
    Million 30 September 2015 07: 33
    +1
    something this morning no sensible article on
  35. duschman80-81
    duschman80-81 30 September 2015 07: 34
    +4
    Not an article, but another nonsense and a custom horror story ....
  36. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 September 2015 07: 37
    +17
    The author is just a rigger. As they say, he fits the answer he needs. I will try to argue. The war in Syria has been going on for a long time. The mattress covers abruptly fed the ISIL with heavy weapons after the "surrender" of the Iraqi army trained by them with a SUBSTANTIALLY OUTCOMING NUMBER AND WEAPON to the group of beards. And even after that, Assad did not fall, and remained in his place. His troops continue to fight. Help from Russia came relatively recently, and there are already some positive aspects that can be called a seizure of the initiative. The presence of our aviation WILL NOT ALLOW the mattress mats to "accidentally" dash over the Syrian troops from the air. Supply of armor and artillery - will increase the strike capabilities of troops and mobility in choosing the place and time of striking. Dominance in the air - well, there's nothing to say about that. VVP said quite definitely - our troops will not take part in the ground operation. What else does? Unlike Afgan, where government troops were categorically unreliable, Assad's army and the Kurdish militia are a completely different calico. And let the author shove himself his table ...
    Now about the exertion of all Russia's forces, hunger and cold that awaits her "the other day", a catastrophe in the economy, and so on.
    Used to trust my eyes. So far, I have not observed such phenomena. I do not argue that there is devaluation. But about hunger - not yet. And about the drop in production ... There was always whining about this. Well, we have the same mentality, the Russians. Unlike mattress mats, which always have everything "hockey", no matter how bad things go. And we are afraid to "jinx" and the word is purely Russian - we are pitying.
  37. linadherent
    linadherent 30 September 2015 07: 56
    +2
    author drink yadu ... How much is opium for the people? And how much is the homeland at the Geyropei flea market? Something went wrong again, it seems I’m becoming an extremist ... what "Dear author", could you be so kind, write the main theses of your article on a poster and go out with it on the street, somewhere on the outskirts of the city in which you live? Or weak ???!
  38. Boris55
    Boris55 30 September 2015 07: 57
    +7
    Especially for the author. If the first time you didn’t hear something, you can listen again.



    If you do not believe Putin and think that he is not responsible for his words, give examples. Otherwise, you are a "bolobol".
  39. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 30 September 2015 08: 14
    +7
    The author is an enemy and an idiot. From the category of "parmesan" and "jamon" lovers. Why? Yes, because he lives in the categories "his shirt is closer to the body" and "beyond his nose" does not see anything or does not want to see, which is more likely. First: what was the USSR "doing" in the East at that time? - did not let the Americans go there, laid the foundations for a future partnership (Egypt, nevertheless, now decided who his real "friend" and partner is, despite the pressure from the US and the EU, since he had time to compare) and postponed the creation of ISIS for several decades, secondly: momentary "material" benefit in any business is not the most important thing, the main thing is "perspective", the reserve for the future is known to any self-respecting businessman, thirdly: in Syria we have just direct economic interests, not to mention political ones, to prevent laying a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe. fourthly: as the President said, it is necessary to beat the enemy on its territory, that is, it is necessary to defeat ISIS before it appears on the borders of Russia and in Russia. fifthly: the Novorossiya project was not a Russian project, everything turned out too spontaneously and uncontrollably, but the author will not wait - the "Novorossiya" project has not failed and will not fail. sixth: we have allies, our "army, aviation and navy" is not enough? There is also Iran and Hezbollah and Kurdistan. Even if these are allies whom it is better not to meet alone in a dark alley, but at this stage = they are really strong allies in this matter. Enemies are also strong, but from this and honor, a man lives with more than one "parmesan" and "jamon", Well, the last author was concerned about the "internal" problems of Russia, like it is necessary to solve internal problems, and not to climb into Syria, again on his own stupidity and shortsightedness-Syria is the key link of absolutely everything now! If you lose Syria, then Gazprom will be ousted from the European market in 5 years, that is, Russia will not receive its share of the profit, there will be no taxes on the sale of gas, and therefore "internal" problems will worsen. If Syria falls, then the threat of the "World Caliphate" will become inevitable - thousands of militants will rush into Russia, and those already in Russia, will perk up and continue their dirty work with redoubled energy - it will take much more effort and resources to neutralize all this, therefore, destroy the reptiles in the "nest" is this not a solution to future "internal problems"? In short, the author is half-witted.
  40. kuz363
    kuz363 30 September 2015 08: 18
    -7
    The number of readers for minus is 5 times more, who is for plus! And if the vast majority of Russians support this adventure - so be it! They themselves chose this path along with their beloved president and deputies. . Only in vain do they hope that they will stay in their homes away from war. The war in Afghanistan, in addition to the 15 thousand killed, brought hundreds of thousands of crippled and disabled young people across the country. Plus the turned and broken psyche of the people who went through this hell of war. Which, not knowing how to work but to kill, joined the criminal gangs and ranks of killers. And those who will not be in the war will quickly feel its results - higher prices and taxes, the abolition of social benefits, benefits, medicine, education ... After all, huge money is needed for the war, but where to get it if not from the people?
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    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 30 September 2015 10: 17
      +3
      Quote: kuz363
      Only in vain do they hope that they will sit in their homes away from war


      And what are you hoping for? That after the victory of ISIS in Syria, the strengthened Ishilians will not look into Kazakhstan? Europeans, for example, have already understood that they will look at them ....
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 30 September 2015 13: 02
      +2
      Quote: kuz363
      The war in Afghanistan, in addition to the 15 thousand killed, brought hundreds of thousands of crippled and disabled young people across the country. Plus the turned and broken psyche of the people who went through this hell of war.

      A broken psyche and participation in criminals are the merit of those very liberals in the government and in the media (such as the author of the article)! A smart phrase: "I did not send you to this war" - by whom was I born? ...
      And the "Afghans" know how to work - the majority know it, they do not live in a vacuum! Only a few - yes, "hit" ... and most - ok ...
  41. evil partisan
    evil partisan 30 September 2015 08: 19
    +4
    I decided to learn a little about M. Khodorenka:
    Chief editor of the newspaper "Military Industrial Courier"; born on February 20, 1954; graduated from: Minsk Higher Engineering Anti-Aircraft Missile School - 1971-1976; Military Command Academy of Air Defense - 1983-1986; Military Academy of the General Staff - 1996-1998; served in the following positions: 1976-1977. - Head of the department of combat control of the radio-technical battery of the S-75 air defense missile system; 1977-1980 - commander of the S-75 air defense system radio battery; 1980-1983 - Commander of the S-75 anti-aircraft missile battalion; 1983-1986 - student of the Military Command Air Defense Academy; 1986-1988 - Deputy commander of the S-200 anti-aircraft missile regiment; 1988-1992 - senior officer of the headquarters of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the air defense (General headquarters of the Air Defense Forces); 1992-1996 - senior officer-operator of 1 direction of 1 directorate of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff; 1996-1998 - student of the Military Academy of the General Staff; 1998-2000 - Head of group 1 of direction 1 of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff; transferred to the reserve on July 22, 2000; Colonel (1993);
    - quite a worthy biography. But:

    2000-2003 - military columnist for Nezavisimaya Gazeta; - already smacks of the city ...

    from 2003 to the present time he has been working in the publishing house "VPK - media".

    Principal activities of IZDATEL'SKIY DOM VPK-MEDIA, OOO
    • Publishing and printing activities, duplication of recorded media
    • Publishing
    • Publishing magazines and periodicals
    Branch
    • Real estate operations
    Form of incorporation: Limited liability companies
    Form of ownership: Private property
    Chief editor of the newspaper "VPK" and the magazine "VKO".
    No ice ... sad
  42. denis1e
    denis1e 30 September 2015 08: 30
    +5
    `` International activity should be reduced to the extremely necessary minimum. '' Well, yes, they were brought up once, left geopolitics in the 90s. Has it become better? Solved internal problems? Closing from the outside world and its problems, letting everything go by itself is not the best way out. It's naive to think that the spreading chaos will not affect our country in the end. To solve the problem until it turns from an EXTERNAL into an INTERNAL. Logical? For the author, apparently not.
  43. slizhov
    slizhov 30 September 2015 08: 31
    +5
    ARTICLE HARMFUL ...
    She checks all of us for lice -
    and whether it is necessary to stick out from the borders of your country, when it is more correct to live according to the phrase "It does not concern me!"
    Enough lived under Yeltsin, who danced everywhere and pretended to be conducting, only they pulled him by the strings ...
  44. lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 September 2015 08: 50
    +3
    The article was written by a hulk of the West. It is especially striking when one who was in the 90s at the General Staff tries to analyze (this is the time when our troops in Chechnya got bogged down so it seemed that Russia was not good for anything) .After all, they developed and managed all military operations in the General Staff. It’s good that this rat was retired in the 2000th.
  45. murking
    murking 30 September 2015 08: 57
    +1
    By the way, the author wrote a ridiculous nonsense, torn out of the context, all the Balkans are not worth a Russian soldier. America surpasses Russia in economic development at times, provides its citizens with much more financial nishtyaks, however, its army is constantly wailing everywhere and its citizens are constantly dying and if America if it doesn’t fight, it will quickly start slipping into outsiders. Why do we need an army, if we don’t fight, the soldiers will die, but with their blood they protect the interests of the country. We are much lower than leaders and we will have to act more aggressively, let certain people die but people are dying and doing all kinds of extreme sports and strong crap. The brave of our citizens must fight, and the cowardly to engage in science, education and culture, this is quite natural. A strong feature of our country is the army and it must capture and win.
  46. EvilLion
    EvilLion 30 September 2015 08: 58
    +1
    The author, if that is the first to catch the bandits, where is the thread in the Caucasus, just does not want to keep them 1000 km from the borders.
  47. Wils
    Wils 30 September 2015 09: 06
    -2
    Quote: mr.vasilievich
    Air strikes cannot win a war; infantry and sweeping the territory are needed. Obviously, it is necessary to create some kind of inter-Arab troops, with the support of the international coalition, they can defeat ISIS. And the article is useful, you should always listen to all the arguments.

    so let those who are indignant about the article and volunteer for Syria, help Russia win ... not send conscripts there.
  48. Vega
    Vega 30 September 2015 09: 07
    +3
    Well, a very "good" article, in the spirit of the sycophants of the United States and "democrats", and the author did not try to read the documents?
  49. Friends
    Friends 30 September 2015 09: 11
    +4
    Provocation and delirium - the information war is gaining momentum ...

    Moreover, the author is never original. He only offers us a rake, which, in due time, became the USSR. His "zeal for the people and the state," in essence and structure corresponds to the propaganda of the Westernizers (visiting and home-grown) of the Gorbachev period - everything is bad with us, and the authorities are pleasing their imperial ambitions ...
    Then they managed to rock the situation (including similar publications). We obeyed and left from everywhere ... The result - we lost almost everything - not only territorially ...

    There are certainly problems in Russia. Where are they not? But I strongly doubt that following the advice of such "guardians of people's happiness" we will solve them and begin to live better.

    I would supplement one sensible idea of ​​the author - think of the homeland earlier, and not read any nonsense.
  50. akudr48
    akudr48 30 September 2015 09: 14
    +2
    With the unfinished war in the Donbass, the turbulent Caucasus, flaring up Central Asia, with the 5th column in the management of the economy, with the falling living standards of the people, Russia's participation in Syria should be limited exclusively to the supply of military equipment and training of troops, as well as relevant foreign policy and information support .

    Our sworn partners in the USA and Europe are waiting for this, playing as if they were offended, giving us priority to ruin our soldiers when we begin to plunge deeply into the Middle Eastern sands that are alien to us in order to slam the trap. They have not forgotten anything, and moreover, they have not forgiven anything, if anyone thinks otherwise.

    Remember Afghan!

    First, Russia should seriously help the Russians in the Donbass, this is the main task!

    Then defeat the 5th column and begin development in the interests of the people, this is the main goal.

    It's time to deal with these issues.