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Two presidents, two worlds

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Russian President Vladimir Putin spent more than an hour and a half talking with his American counterpart. The leaders of the two countries met at the UN headquarters on the margins of the UN General Assembly. A curious detail: after the conversation, Barack Obama decided not to comment on the outcome of the meeting, and Putin had to “take the rap” before the journalists alone. Obama’s hasty departure looked like a political escape: the “exceptional” president probably didn’t want to admit Putin’s intransigence on key issues. The press often calls Obama a weakling even without that, and then Putin took and ridiculed sanctions and "isolation" of Russia.




The main topics of the meeting of the two presidents were, of course, Ukraine and Syria. It is around Ukraine and Syria that both the problems of mutual mistrust between Russia and the United States and the points of contact are lined up.

The presidents talked directly about Russian-American relations going through a difficult period. Obviously, there is no warming in the near future. Rather, a cooling is planned. America will "push" sanctions, Russia will bravely hold on.

We highlight the main thing that is known about the negotiations of the two presidents.

First, the policy of Western "isolation" and sanctions against Russia.

Following a meeting with US President Barack Obama at the UN headquarters, Vladimir Putin saidthat the sanctions policy does not reach its goals, and isolation against Russia is impossible: “From the very beginning, we said that the policy of sanctions and isolation, it is generally ineffective in the modern world, and its goals, as a rule, are not achieved.”

According to the president, isolation is impossible with respect to Russia, “it is enough to at least look at a geographic map.”

Secondly, the relationship between Washington and Moscow.

It's all just two or two: the relationship is bad. And Moscow is not to blame.

“Relations between Russia and the United States, unfortunately, are at a fairly low level, but this is not our initiative,” delicately сказал Putin.

According to him, this is bad for bilateral and international relations.

Thirdly, the issue of the fight against the "Islamic state".

Putin said that Russia would help the Syrian President Bashar Assad in the fight against IG, but participation in a ground military operation against extremists is out of the question.

“We believe that the work on the fight against terror should go along with the political processes in Syria itself, but there is no talk of any participation of Russian military units in ground operations,” the president told reporters.

“As for our participation, we are thinking about it. We do not exclude anything, but if we act, then only in full compliance with the norms of international law ", - added the head of state and recalled that from this point of view, the military operations of the United States and its allies in Syria are illegal.

Putin also criticized the policies and statements of the United States and France regarding Syria: “I have great respect for my colleagues - both the American President and the French - but they, as I know and I think, are not citizens of the Syrian Republic therefore, they are unlikely to take part in determining the fate of the leadership of another state. This is after all the Syrians themselves. ”

Then the president recalled the comparison of the “IG” with the Nazis and noted that there is a justification for it: after all, terrorists are committing atrocities. “And I would very much like, understanding this, to unite as many countries as possible in the fight against this threat,” Putin noted. For such purposes, Russia, Syria, Iran and Iraq have created a focal point, where information will be collected to fight extremists. The center, according to the president, “is open for all those who are interested in the fight against terrorism to join it. We are now talking about the interaction of the United States and Russia on this anti-terrorism track. We have an understanding that it is necessary to strengthen our work, at least on a bilateral basis. We will now think together about the creation of appropriate mechanisms. ”

A similar work, Putin continued, will be conducted with Israel, but without creating special structures. Among other countries in the region that could participate, Putin listed Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Jordan.

Finally, Putin called a mistake US refusal to cooperate with the current Syrian authorities, who are "really fighting terrorism".

Fourthly, the fate of Bashar al-Assad and the permanent American theme "Assad must go."

The Russian president criticized the sharp attacks not only of Obama, but also of Francois Hollande, made by those addressed to Bashar Assad personally. The American president called the president of Syria a tyrant, and the second insulted the name "executioner". Putin reminded both of them that the people should decide the fate of Syria. As for Assad, the Syrian President is ready for political negotiations. "Russia will insist on political transformation", - summarized Putin.

Fifth, Ukraine.

“As for the possibility of more active participation of the United States in resolving the conflict over Ukraine, the United States is already actively involved in this, although this is not highlighted as the work of Russia, France and Germany in the framework of the“ Norman format. ” Nevertheless, the United States is to a certain extent behind the back of the Kiev authorities, they are in constant contact with the Europeans, but we have good business contacts between Russia and the United States through the Foreign Ministry and the State Department on an ongoing basis. Today’s consultations have shown that our American colleagues in the material fully and fully, and, of course, influence this process. ”- сообщил journalists leader of Russia.

Since B.H. Obama did not comment on the outcome of the meeting, the press tried to get information from the “sources”. "BBC" referring to the representative of the White House, writes that, referring to the Ukrainian issue, Obama expressed his concern to Putin about the implementation of the Minsk agreements and the intention of the leadership of the self-proclaimed republics to hold elections.

In short, here are also familiar democratic mantras.

Overall rating Putin’s talks: “Today’s conversation, I have already said, was very constructive, businesslike and surprisingly very frank.”

Thus, it can be noted that the main topics of the talks were the situations in Ukraine and Syria, and in both cases there are differences in approaches. If there are common moments, they are not substantive, but only formal: with regard to Ukraine, these are the so-called Minsk agreements, which are constantly being repeated both in the United States and in Russia, and in relation to Syria - a possible joint struggle with the "IG". True, both here and there are a lot of contradictions, since both sides see the fulfillment of the agreements by the “Ukrainian parties” in different ways, and in Syria, the US and its allies are ready to fight simultaneously with IS and Assad, and nothing else, and Russia believes that the army of the legitimate president Assad is fighting the terrorists, and therefore he should be helped. We think that such a tangle of contradictions cannot be unraveled. It is clear that neither the United States nor Russia will make concessions.

In essence, at the talks, the two presidents repeated in the main their speeches delivered from the rostrum of the UN General Assembly.

In his speech, Barack Obama accused the Kremlin of violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The president of Russia, in turn, chided Washington for the hegemonic desire to solve world problems alone. Is there really no agreement? It might have seemed to someone that the two presidents found common ground in the fight against IS, but it was not there: they agreed that yes, it was necessary to “resolve the situation” in Syria, but they did not come to a unified approach towards this "settlement". This is not surprising: Russia helps Assad, Washington dreams of Assad to overthrow. As a result, there is not and cannot be any general approach to resolving the conflict: the parties take diametrically opposed positions.

B.H. Obama voiced his ideal in speech. According to him, America "cannot alone solve the problems of the entire planet." He even criticized his native America: the war in Iraq allowed the country to "learn complex lessons." Washington realized that "without assistance with other countries, we will not succeed." Next, Obama saddled your favorite liberal democratic ridge: “The dictatorship is unstable. Today’s dictators turn into a spark for revolution. You can put opponents, but the idea can not be planted. " He added: “We need to move forward in upholding the ideals. Strong countries are responsible for upholding just such an international order. ”

Oh, how everything is clear and transparent here, let us add: the ideal is American, the order in the world is American, and it must be “defended” by the entire planet!

It is not noticeable, by the way, that the United States is responsible for those bombings, the overthrow of governments and civil wars, which they constantly commit here and there (examples are known to all). Obama's sadness about Iraq or sadness because of the torture at Guantanamo does not count. Sadness, you know, will not replace responsibility.

However, Obama also boasted of America’s “peaceful” achievements. Of these, exactly 1 (one) was found. The American president cited the example of a nuclear agreement with Iran: "When sanctions were imposed on him, the goal was not to punish Iran, but to change its course." True, Obama's "Iranian theses" turned out to be only a prelude to a new chapter. In it, Obama told the public about the sanctions for Russia: “Think about the annexation by Russia of the Crimea and the eastern part of Ukraine. The United States has an understanding of the deep connection between Russia and Ukraine, but we cannot stand aside when it comes to the violation of territorial integrity. This (sanctions) is not a desire to return to the “cold war,” although the Russian media, which are under state control, can say that. ”

Well, of course, the Nobel laureate Obama is not a supporter of the war, he seeks peace, but what does Russia want after violating the “territorial integrity” of Ukraine? Therefore - sanctions. And they give the result, Obama believes: “Because of them, the movement of capital has stopped, the economy has slowed down, well-educated Russians emigrate. We insist that the Ukrainian crisis be resolved through diplomacy — that would be better for both Russia and Ukraine. ”

In short, the “Ukrainian” approach of Washington is extremely clear: they will deal with Russia for years in the same way as with Iran, tightening and extending “educational measures”. In principle, there can be no other approach, no compromise and recognition of Crimea to Russia. Changes in Russia's position on this issue cannot be either. And this was confirmed by both the speeches of the presidents and their personal talks.

In Syria, the leaders of the two worlds also do not agree. If one supports the legitimate authority in Syria, and the other repeats the mantra from Hillary Clinton (“Assad must leave”), how can they come to an agreement?

The cold war is on, no matter what Mr. Obama says.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Sensatus
    Sensatus 29 September 2015 09: 03 New
    +36
    Their difference is that one is a real politician who makes decisions, and the second is an ordinary talking head, which no one will remember after the end of the presidential term (have you heard much about the real political activities of former US presidents?). And this fact puts everything in its place.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 29 September 2015 09: 05 New
      +14
      Absenteeism - a technical defeat ... laughing
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 29 September 2015 09: 21 New
        +23
        fair question ... laughing laughing laughing
        1. Severomor
          Severomor 29 September 2015 09: 46 New
          +53
          .... more after
          1. ZU-23
            ZU-23 29 September 2015 10: 26 New
            +5
            Honestly, it was clear that Obama in his speech understood that he was talking nonsense, for moments he tried to get together for the public that he was right and believed in what he was saying, but after a second his mine returned to its initial sad state. All sorts of congresses with paralytics such as Makein have already lifted him.
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        2. ASG7
          ASG7 29 September 2015 13: 47 New
          +1
          It’s good that even before the meeting the Americans straightened their flags, otherwise they would have looked very pale. laughing
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      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 29 September 2015 09: 46 New
        +24
        An interesting detail: after the conversation, Barack Obama decided not to comment on the results of the meeting ...

        see offended laughing
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 29 September 2015 12: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: self-propelled
          see offended

          xs, for some reason I remembered the epic scene of the execution: "Here you have gray hair in your beard, here you have a devil in the ribs ... And now, get out ..."! It’s a pity that it’s not so ..
    2. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 29 September 2015 09: 12 New
      +8
      Quote: Sensatus
      Their difference is that one is a real politician who makes decisions, and the second is an ordinary talking head.

      Well, the worlds are also very different and based on different principles and traditions. So it was originally and so far it will be so ...
    3. Karasik
      Karasik 29 September 2015 09: 16 New
      +15
      Someone surprised by the outcome of the meeting? Personally, I do not. The author of the article is right - the cold war is on. And the trends are such that it can develop into a "hot" one. How sad it is!
      1. andj61
        andj61 29 September 2015 09: 33 New
        +8
        Quote: Karasik
        Someone surprised by the outcome of the meeting? Personally, I do not. The author of the article is right - the cold war is on. And the trends are such that it can develop into a "hot" one. How sad it is!

        It is not the outcome of the meeting that matters more - yes, we will not know about them for some time - the fact of the meeting itself. Leaders conveyed to each other their vision of problems “live”, and not in the interpretation of the media or assistants - and this alone is worth a lot.
        And about the "hot" war - Obama realized that he can’t do anything with Russia, and the confrontation is fraught with mutual annihilation. Therefore, the United States will agree with Russia - slowly, as if reluctantly, but there is simply no other alternative. Yes and Obama does not have recipes on how to achieve at least some stability in the Levant and North Africa. But Putin has such recipes. And even without the United States, Putin’s scenario is doomed to success - it was supported to one degree or another by the leaders of almost all Middle Eastern countries - from Egypt to Saudi Arabia, from Israel to Iran. Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and even Palestine - to varying degrees also participate in it.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 29 September 2015 09: 53 New
          +2
          The cold war is on, no matter what Mr. Obama says.

          And what Obama can say now will not bring peace in this war. Obama's main goal now is to calmly sit out in the Oval Office. Therefore, he is unlikely to make any decisions that will lower his rating. He will continue to bend his line and chatter all Putin's proposals. And to agree with Putin, in his vision of solving problems, will hurt Obama's vanity. Most likely, Obama will try to lower the issue of a settlement with Russia, the next US president. Therefore, the process of rapprochement between the United States and Russia will be long and thorny, and finally this issue will most likely be resolved under the new US President.
          1. fif21
            fif21 29 September 2015 12: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Therefore, the process of rapprochement between the United States and Russia will be long and thorny
            Rapprochement is possible only if Russia recognizes the United States as the leader of the world. The USA will not allow equal partnerships. Therefore, not only Russia, but countries with their own dignity will never be "friends" of the United States. I am sure that the State Department and Obama are disappointed in Putin’s speech. They are furious, for a long time no one told them in the eye that they think about their "exceptionalism." Putin will make mattresses respect themselves more than their president.
          2. Das Boot
            Das Boot 29 September 2015 13: 21 New
            0
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Obama's main goal now is to calmly sit out in the Oval Office. Therefore, he is unlikely to make any decisions that will lower his rating.

            Yes, he does not care about the rating - he is already lame duck. And a couple of unnecessary accusations of leniency and indulging Putin will not spoil his reputation. He built his own speech at the GA as a declaration of US victories, hinting at his personal merits.
            Quote: SRC P-15
            the process of rapprochement between the US and Russia will be long and thorny and

            no longer and no more thorny than usual. It reminds me of a dialogue between Alice and the King:
            "- Ha ha ha. What a backward country. Well, here, you know, you have to run as fast just to stay in the same place, but to get to another place you need to run twice as fast. Run?!" ( with)
        2. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 29 September 2015 10: 03 New
          +3
          Since when the fact of meeting with the American president has become important for us, we are not Gabon any, or Ukraine, at worst. Yes, this time we deliberately sought meetings with the American president, and it was of fundamental importance for our politicians that the American president should formally initiate the meeting, as it happened. For us, this is just a demonstration of Russia's withdrawal from "diplomatic" sanctions, a zone of political exclusion. I even assuming that we specifically made a dump to American diplomats that Putin wants to make an important proposal to Obama. Those, apparently, decided that we were preparing a quiet surrender, well, at least we were ready to surrender Assad, and agreed to initiate a meeting. And we . . . just wanted to talk smile
          1. Grabberxnumx
            Grabberxnumx 29 September 2015 11: 00 New
            +2
            The strong one speaks with the strong one, and here is the whole answer, the Sixes miss aside.
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        4. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 29 September 2015 10: 42 New
          +2
          Yeah, they will pretend that they agree and will bend their line under the guise. You will see it for yourself. Has our nation really not yet taught the whole course of events? NATO has expanded, Ukraine has been screwed up, a column is being withdrawn on Square 5, arms are being transferred to Europe. No, they will agree, everyone understood and saw. I think peas against the wall, and even if the count on the head is comfy, the hunchback will be corrected.
        5. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 29 September 2015 10: 42 New
          0
          Yeah, they will pretend that they agree and will bend their line under the guise. You will see it for yourself. Has our nation really not yet taught the whole course of events? NATO has expanded, Ukraine has been screwed up, a column is being withdrawn on Square 5, arms are being transferred to Europe. No, they will agree, everyone understood and saw. I think peas against the wall, and even if the count on the head is comfy, the hunchback will be corrected.
      2. Fin
        Fin 29 September 2015 09: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Karasik
        Someone surprised by the outcome of the meeting?

        Not surprisingly, once the collapse of interests was to happen. And it is very good that the authorities at this time are not EBN or HMS. We are adjusting to deterioration, I do not think that for a long time.
        I hope all these sanctions will force the government to work.
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 29 September 2015 10: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Fin
          Not surprisingly, once the collapse of interests was to happen. And it is very good that the authorities at this time are not EBN or HMS. We are adjusting to deterioration, I do not think that for a long time.
          I hope all these sanctions will force the government to work.


          Sergey, I really agree with you about EBN and HMS, this is unequivocal. But, yours, the phrase about the government raises great doubts. Although of course hope dies last.

          Something like that. winked
          1. nikpwolf
            nikpwolf 29 September 2015 18: 00 New
            +3
            Sergey, I really agree with you about EBN and HMS, this is unequivocal. But, yours, the phrase about the government raises great doubts. Although of course hope dies last.

            Well yes. The main thing here is that all EBNs, HMSs and other PDSs should not get to the authorities again. And maybe then ... but not with these "rulers" at the helm of the country's economy. They have only one thing - life will become better only in the "fat" years. No other way. Well, there are no ideas (well, except for raising the retirement age and reducing spending on social and defense). And that’s it. We are waiting for an increase in oil prices. And what else could be the solution? "Manna from heaven" will fall and feel better. We inflate the stabilization fund, and if we hold on to it. And then again ... And to hell do something? A penny "small" drips, does not blow anywhere. Well, what are you bothering with? And now - tighten up, people, belts. And with pleasure I will tighten. Here's to know what for the cause and the benefits of this case. And even the truth - dies last.
    4. Kalmar
      Kalmar 29 September 2015 09: 16 New
      -6
      one is a real decision maker, and the second is an ordinary talking head

      And which of them is who? :)
      1. A-Sim
        A-Sim 29 September 2015 11: 01 New
        +2
        You're a cephalopod, so think about it. Just do not kick ...)))
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 29 September 2015 12: 22 New
          0
          You're a cephalopod, so think about it. Just do not kick ...)))

          I feel the catch, but I think. So we have:
          1. The President, who talks a lot and decisively about how he will push everyone and overtake everyone. His country has long and diligently risen from its knees, though now it is on knives and a half of the world.
          2. A president who quietly and slurredly mumbles something while his country bends half the world and hosts almost the entire globe.

          Which one is the talking head? No, I won’t voice it, they’ll drown it in minuses :)
          1. Das Boot
            Das Boot 29 September 2015 13: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Kalmar
            Which one is the talking head? No, I won’t voice it, they’ll drown it in minuses :)

            laughing and I liked it...
          2. Felix1
            Felix1 30 September 2015 04: 15 New
            0
            Come on with the cons, fact is fact.
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    5. vladnn2015
      vladnn2015 29 September 2015 09: 36 New
      +2
      "The ideal is American, the order in the world is American, and it is necessary to" uphold "the whole planet!"
      You can’t say more precisely!
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 29 September 2015 11: 51 New
        +1
        I dare to suggest what the GDP and Obama talked about.
        According to the IG. It would be logical if GDP suggested the following, Obama simply wouldn’t think of it.
        The United States and its allies operate in Iraq; the Russian Federation and its allies in Syria; headquarters in Baghdad.
        The United States thereby put together all the slogans about the overthrow of Assad, and this is impossible with an enhanced Russian base in the west of Syria, they will not succeed and all their plans to overthrow have failed, so the Russian Federation, like a lifesaver, is all responsible for the Russian Federation with its allies . But the minus is that the United States, given Russia's success in Syria, will be forced to enter its contingent in Iraq. And then they know about a ball of Kurds, Shiites, Sunnis. And about the fact that they will have to fight with the unsuccessful and unsold officers of Saddam. And they will vomit and throw, and the Yankees will drink blood, presumably, not a little.
        Therefore, I think that the ball is on the side of the United States. Russia even decided to organize a headquarters in Baghdad, it seems to me based on this plan. To be transparent before the Yankees. Therefore, the GDP during the interview was "dusting". That “we think how else to help directly on the field” and “we still think what kind of participation we will take in the coalition”, then “military operations are excluded”. In my opinion, such a plan could make it so that "accidentally did not intersect in a friendly fire." And the US on the issue of Assad would be able to "beautifully" leave. If such a plan were to pass, then both China and India would join - the issue of Syria between the Russian Federation and the allies would be resolved quickly. That's just the United States, I'm afraid it will not work. hi
    6. War and Peace
      War and Peace 29 September 2015 11: 42 New
      0
      -here tell me American, what is the strength? Is it in the money?
      I think the power is in truth ...
    7. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 29 September 2015 14: 05 New
      -7
      Quote: Sensatus
      Their difference is that one is a real decision maker
      As a result, we have pro-Western Ukraine, missiles in Poland, bombs in Germany, NATO near the borders of the Russian Federation (never before), a drop in GDP and a decrease in the level of industrial production, an eight percent import dependence, a ruble dancing according to fluctuations in oil prices, a rise in prices and a decrease in the level the life of the population, a social network built on the worst Western patterns, a statement that the policy of sanctions does not achieve its goals, with a hint of their abolition, and so on. etc.

      Real politician, what ...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 29 September 2015 15: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        As a result, we have pro-Western Ukraine close by.

        , from which the West no longer knows where to go .. The EU now - certainly does not know

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Missiles in Poland, bombs in Germany, NATO near the borders of the Russian Federation (never before)

        Thanks to Gorbachev, no? wink

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        decline in GDP and a decrease in industrial production, eight percent import dependence

        Thanks to Gorbachev and EBN. We’ll remember the 90s, think a lot .. only then write something ..

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        ruble dancing according to fluctuations in oil prices

        Also - "it never happened," huh? belay

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        .

        Mdja ...

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Real politician, what ...

        Not!! Baba Yaga Uncle Joe - Against!

        Uncle Joe, weak .. losing shape request
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 29 September 2015 16: 21 New
          -1
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          So what did you want to say with these delusional remarks?
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 29 September 2015 16: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            So what did you want to say with these delusional remarks?

            With these delusional remarks, I said this:

            - a piece of the threshing floor that you made from Ukraine, NATO, missiles, bombs, the ruble, oil and import dependence, unconvincing (weakly cobbled together)So
            - your conclusion ("Real politician, Che") is also not too convincing.

            Lose shape. Rest, relax, and there, you look, new inspiration will come .. wink
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 29 September 2015 18: 17 New
              -4
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              I didn’t blind him — his real politician (Western definitions like domestic patriots) blind, and it seems that he blindly glorified.

              So do not spoil the puddle, but treat toxoplasmosis.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 29 September 2015 18: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                So do not spoil the puddle, but treat toxoplasmosis

                Well, again rude .. negative

                Quote: Uncle Joe
                I didn’t blind him - his real politician (love domestic patriots western definitions) blinded, and it seems that blinded to fame

                Oh, what did you write this? Can you translate?

                I say well - put the spell checker normal, yours already, hike, has overheated .. laughing
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 29 September 2015 19: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  negative
                  yes

                  Can you translate?
                  Real politics (German: Realpolitik) is a type of state political course, which was introduced and implemented by Bismarck and was named by analogy with the concept proposed by Ludwig von Rochau (1853)
                  Quote: Sensatus
                  Their difference is that one is real politiciandecision maker


                  I say well - put the spell checker normal, your already, hike, overheated
                  And, so you also have encephalon сtenocephalides felis laughing
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 29 September 2015 19: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    Ah, so you also ...

                    All of you know, you’ve been everywhere ... what have you deduced, admit it? Brought out, or remained? belay
    8. 222222
      222222 29 September 2015 14: 54 New
      0
      "Two presidents, two worlds"
      ... Two states .. Two systems ... Two stories .. .Two lifestyles .... White and Black ..
      ..Russia on the rise ...
      ..America-in a tailspin ..
    9. Asadullah
      Asadullah 29 September 2015 20: 10 New
      -1
      And this fact puts everything in its place.


      So what? What place? The fact that nothing changes in the USA with the change of presidents, and in Russia a few insignificants can destroy what the nation has been building for centuries? And then you have to pray for the messiah? Which will save and save at least something ... Putin did his job, pulled the country out of the abyss, now we need to make mechanisms so that it would be impossible to slide back there. That in thirty years it would not be necessary to call on Putin, as they are now calling on Stalin. But the UN speaking room is a talking room, nothing will change in conversations, Kerry has already given out the secrets of the circus, in an interview with the press he said that if Russia persists in Assad, then ISIS will have MANPADS. What you can not comment ....
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 29 September 2015 09: 04 New
    +11
    we add from ourselves: the ideal is American, the order in the world is American, and the whole planet needs to “uphold” it!

    You can’t say more precisely. It is in such an idiocy that the whole world lives ... or rather, the world is required to live like this ...

  3. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 29 September 2015 09: 09 New
    0
    Vladimir Putin - he is a Hero !!
    He looked point blank, and all with a plea !!
    Instantly thought and decided!
    He returned to Crimea!
  4. anip
    anip 29 September 2015 09: 09 New
    0
    I’ll ask those who here yesterday cheered Utriotically that the dollar will “collapse” today: Where can I see the collapse of the dollar?
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 29 September 2015 09: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: anip
      I’ll ask those who here yesterday cheered Utriotically that the dollar will “collapse” today: Where can I see the collapse of the dollar?

      Unfortunately, I didn’t see those who were saying yesterday that today (September 29.09.2015, XNUMX) the dollar will collapse, therefore I can neither confirm your words nor refute ...

      Personally, I remember from the summer that they fear October and fears are associated primarily with the banking sector .... and then it will be seen. World affairs are accelerating ... and the bucket of the dollar is not the worst of them.

      "Soon the fairy tale affects - but not soon the thing is done."
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 29 September 2015 09: 43 New
        +2
        Scoun-I unfortunately did not see those who were saying yesterday that today (September 29.09.2015, XNUMX) the dollar would collapse, therefore I cannot but confirm your words or refute ...
        if you please sir:
        Armored Optimist (4) RU Yesterday, 06:10
        The collapse of the dollar system is a matter of time. And very close. Maybe today at 12.05 New York time.
        laughing
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 29 September 2015 10: 09 New
          +7
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Armored Optimist (4) RU Yesterday, 06:10
          The collapse of the dollar system is a matter of time. And very close. Maybe today at 12.05 New York time.

          So the same optimist, besides - smile not breakable! hi
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 29 September 2015 11: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: anip
      I’ll ask those who here yesterday cheered Utriotically,

      they fall asleep after glee yesterday laughing
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    4. anip
      anip 29 September 2015 12: 17 New
      0
      Quote: anip
      I’ll ask those who here yesterday cheered Utriotically that the dollar will “collapse” today: Where can I see the collapse of the dollar?

      As I understand it, the minuses are sculpted by those who yesterday just shouted and expected this? Didn’t wait, however? Or the dollar collapsed, just nobody noticed it?
    5. fif21
      fif21 29 September 2015 12: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: anip
      the dollar will collapse today
      Chur you! If a huge soap bubble (US economy) bursts, the entire world will be “shell-shocked”. It must be "blown away" slowly. There is an understanding of this in countries that do not want to be "sponsors" of the USA, and most importantly, they know how to do it. Be patient.
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 29 September 2015 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: fif21
        If a huge soap bubble (US economy) bursts
        Soap bubble is 16% of world industrial production (only in China it is more - 19%) and 22% of world GDP.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 30 September 2015 00: 37 New
          0
          I think that it was a question of derivatives, the value of which exceeds the cost of planet Earth.
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    7. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 30 September 2015 00: 34 New
      0
      I’ll ask those who here yesterday cheered Utriotically that the dollar will “collapse” today: Where can I see the collapse of the dollar?
      Do you really want a real dollar collapse? Personally, I do not! But a gradual decline to real value ... with a huge sense of deep satisfaction. By the way, China thinks (and does) the same way! As, however, the whole world.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 29 September 2015 09: 13 New
    +1
    And he added: “We need to move forward in the defense of ideals. Strong countries are responsible for upholding just such an international order. ”.. Yeah, this is homosexuality, tolerance for everything in a row .. ignoring moral values, etc.
  6. chikenous59
    chikenous59 29 September 2015 09: 14 New
    +1
    You can not bring down the dollar sharply. Otherwise, our economy will collapse, as it does not have time to adapt to the new conditions, all work will be disrupted. Here another 10-20 years will pass before we can abandon the dollar. And if you just harm America, then you can switch to the euro)) Then Europe will flare up in color revolutions
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 September 2015 09: 15 New
    +2
    The cold war is on, no matter what Mr. Obama says.

    I agree with you, Oleg. Only it is conducted by more aggressive and harsh methods than during the USSR. And in this situation, you just have to give up the slack and that’s it - you were devoured.
  8. Penetrator
    Penetrator 29 September 2015 09: 16 New
    +25
    Ah, this directly broke: "Because of them (sanctions) ... well-educated Russians are emigrating." Who is this? Pasha Shekhtman and Katka Maldon? Yes, we still have such good stuff in bulk! Take it, do not mind ...
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 September 2015 10: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: Penetrator
      Yes, we still have such good stuff in bulk! Take it, do not mind ...

      A year ago, the Federal State Statistics Service recorded a record over the 15 years wave of emigration from Russia: then from January to August, 203 people emigrated from Russia. 659 people left Russia for the whole of 2013. Emigration from Russia in 186 - statistics are even more depressing. The first eight months of the outgoing year showed a figure of 382 citizens. hi
      1. iouris
        iouris 29 September 2015 11: 15 New
        0
        The economy is market and global. People are a commodity. Only the exploitation of the human commodity brings surplus value to the human capitalist. Russia is a supplier of many types of resources, including human.
      2. Penetrator
        Penetrator 29 September 2015 11: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: Bayonet

        A year ago, the Federal State Statistics Service recorded a record over the 15 years wave of emigration from Russia: then from January to August, 203 people emigrated from Russia. 659 people left Russia for the whole of 2013. Emigration from Russia in 186 - statistics are even more depressing. The first eight months of the outgoing year showed a figure of 382 citizens. hi

        Give a reference. Otherwise, I don’t know any of the recently emigrated. Some "come in large numbers" only. Not talking in those circles?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 29 September 2015 13: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Penetrator
          Give a reference. Otherwise, I don’t know any of the recently emigrated.

          http://zagrandok.ru/vyezd/migraciya/statistika-emigracii-iz-rossii-v-2014.html
          It’s difficult to enter Rosstat, but it worked out. They give only for 2013 -186382 people (this source agrees). And the latest data for 2015 .... Maybe someone wandered hi
          1. Penetrator
            Penetrator 29 September 2015 13: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Bayonet
            And the latest data for 2015 .... Maybe someone wandered

            Followed the links. Reference is made to each other regarding data for 2014-2015. Mostly liberal horror stories "a monstrous surge of emigration and emigration sentiment." Even so, then about a tenth of a percent leaves Russia every year, which is comparable to the scale of emigration from the EU and the USA. No wonder, because society is becoming mobile. But we can’t talk about any significant increase in political and economic emigration from the country. If we consider that only Ukrainian citizens, according to the FMS, there are 2,6 million in the Russian Federation (6% population of Ukraine). And at least half of them intend to obtain Russian citizenship. So, we are increasing rather than decreasing. Something like this hi
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 29 September 2015 13: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Penetrator
              So, we are increasing rather than decreasing. Something like this

              Yes, Ukraine has thrown decently to our people. smile
          2. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 29 September 2015 14: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Bayonet
            They give only for 2013
            http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b15_107/Main.htm (Международная миграция Российской Федерации в 2014 году)
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 29 September 2015 18: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b15_107/Main.htm

              Thank you!
      3. russmensch
        russmensch 29 September 2015 12: 21 New
        +6
        It turns out interesting: a year ago emigration amounted to 203659 people and for 8 months of this year 203659 people. Piece by piece ... recourse
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 September 2015 12: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: russmensch
          It turns out interesting

          In-in .. it amused me too ..

          There they asked for a link, something is not visible in the waves now .. We are waiting, sir ..
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 29 September 2015 13: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            . Waiting, sir ..

            Threw it higher. hi
      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 29 September 2015 12: 46 New
        -3
        Quote: Bayonet
        The first eight months of the outgoing year showed a figure of 203 citizens.

        Well, put the minus easier? Well, come on again ... smile
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 29 September 2015 12: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          [
          Well, put the minus easier? Well, come on again ... smile

          I didn’t put you cons, I just asked for a reference to the data on emigration. Will be?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 29 September 2015 14: 01 New
            0
            Quote: Penetrator
            I didn’t put you cons

            I wrote this to the one who set it! Once Xerxes ordered to carve the sea, here are some little different from it. smile
      5. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 30 September 2015 00: 40 New
        0
        Do you cry! Here we ran away from the people of Latvia ... already the streets were empty. crying
  9. Kalmar
    Kalmar 29 September 2015 09: 16 New
    -10
    According to the president, isolation is impossible with respect to Russia, “it is enough to at least look at a geographic map.”

    The USSR, I recall, was quite successfully isolated, although it was even larger. Although, of course, if by insulation we mean exclusively the enclosure of a three-meter fence with barbed wire ...

    In short, Washington’s “Ukrainian” approach is extremely clear: they will deal with Russia for years in the same way as with Iran, toughening and prolonging “educational measures”. In principle, there can be no other approach, no compromise and recognition of Crimea as Russian.

    Who would doubt that. The bait (Crimea) is swallowed, objectively there is no reason to let the fish off the hook. They will push until they achieve their goal.
  10. Sosed_26
    Sosed_26 29 September 2015 09: 16 New
    0
    American, the order in the world is American, and it must be “defended” by the whole planet!


    arrogant hypocritical monkeys
  11. Twice RUSSIAN
    Twice RUSSIAN 29 September 2015 09: 22 New
    -2
    The only way to change the situation in the world, to cut the Gordian Knot, bring America down. The ambitions of the world hegemon that Americans are struck by will not allow Russia to develop, this is obvious.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 29 September 2015 09: 46 New
      +9
      Ambitions of the world hegemon that Americans are struck by will not allow Russia to develop

      As for me, at the current stage of Russia purely internal problems prevent development: corruption, incompetence of the leadership, orientation towards raw materials export instead of developing own industry, etc. Now, if you sort this all out, then it will already be possible to talk about American hegemony.
      1. nekot
        nekot 29 September 2015 10: 33 New
        +1
        What a charm, while you are all undeveloped, you dare not argue with the hegemony, because it will crush you) And you did not think about the option with American bases in the Crimea and the Donbass, but without sanctions it seems?
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 29 September 2015 10: 55 New
          -4
          What a charm, while you are all undeveloped, you dare not argue with the hegemony, because it will crush you) And you did not think about the option with American bases in the Crimea and the Donbass, but without sanctions it seems?

          Firstly, throwing a saber at a tank is undoubtedly very brave and patriotic, but completely pointless.

          Secondly, the problems voiced by me allow, among other things, this very hegemon to technically bend us without the use of military force. A corrupt deputy can easily be sold to Uncle Sam, right?

          Thirdly, you leave these horror stories about Amer’s military bases in the Crimea — did they give them up there? They are at the World Cup and walk like at home.
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  12. Kolka82
    Kolka82 29 September 2015 09: 24 New
    +1
    Yeah, "zapadlo" our president monkey shake his hand - in the photo he just breaks
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 September 2015 09: 24 New
    +1
    The press often calls Obama a weakling, and then Putin took and ridiculed the sanctions and "isolation" of Russia.


    It looks like he kicked the Obama GDP, he left silently. Now in his Oval chewing pindyulya.
    So rightly so, not quite smart humanoid.
  14. Solovei
    Solovei 29 September 2015 09: 27 New
    +2
    I read such a thing in VK. I would like the GDP to end its speech at the UN: "Therefore, you are all arrested and the tribunal will decide your fate!" Sorry for the dream. But nevertheless, a good Volodya inserted a bolt to them.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 29 September 2015 10: 00 New
      +1
      Yes, yesterday I was afraid that they would take Vova’s hands and drag them to a jail, for violating the rights of gays and lesbians, which is a grave anti-American crime, they will become a crime. But nothing happened :)
      1. Mik-51
        Mik-51 29 September 2015 11: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        Yes, yesterday I was afraid that they would take Vova’s hands and drag them to a jail, for violating the rights of gays and lesbians, which is a grave anti-American crime, they will become a crime. But nothing happened :)


        First: have respect for the head of the country in which you live, Vova - this is Vova in your area;
        - secondly - the “world hegemon” is not stupid and knows for sure that in the event of an “attempt” on the head of the only state in the world that can turn this hegemon into radioactive dust, they will not pull the handle with it.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 September 2015 14: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Solovei
      I would like the GDP to end its speech at the UN: "Therefore, you are all arrested and the tribunal will decide your fate!"

      And why not immediately get out of his bosom Mauser in a wooden box? laughing
  15. Zolotse
    Zolotse 29 September 2015 09: 29 New
    +1
    It would be strange if there was more agreement between Putin and Obama. Behind Putin is the Russian (Slavic) world, with its own values, and behind Obama - the Anglo-Jewish, with its own values ​​... And now many in the world will have to choose
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 29 September 2015 14: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Zolotse
      Behind Putin is the Russian (Slavic) world, with its own values
      Please list these values, and indicate where and how they appear in the real, not fictional world.
      1. IDV68
        IDV68 29 September 2015 20: 54 New
        0
        Woodpecker! What the hell is this, "Uncle Joe"? And the values ​​in our country are not an honor. My personal value, these are my grandmother and two grandfathers who fought in the Second World War. Not Uncle Sam, Not Super or Spider or Bet, etc. Maine, but actually lived Polina, Makar and Sergey.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 30 September 2015 00: 02 New
          0
          Quote: IDV68
          Woodpecker!
          Is this a first or last name?

          My personal value
          With personal values ​​to a personal safe please.

          And for the future: if there is nothing to be said on the declared subject, it is better to remain silent.

          With proletarian greetings soldier
  16. Dam
    Dam 29 September 2015 09: 49 New
    0
    And what could have happened from speech even on the UN rostrum ??? Here something more difficult is needed, but the gap of horns
  17. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 29 September 2015 09: 52 New
    +2
    The United States will begin a real fight against terrorism ... when they start shooting and blowing up in Texas and other states, and the war will go on in Mexico or Canada. And the organization of this war will not involve various US intelligence agencies.
    And any war in the Old World, Asia, Africa is a good income For Uncle Sam ...
  18. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 29 September 2015 10: 23 New
    +4
    Our President is handsome and smart. There is something to be proud of. His speech was brief, businesslike, constructive and moderately harsh, but without insults, he did not tell his opponents who they were, but showed them what they had done, thereby leaving room for negotiations. There is no one to compare. Obama's speech reminded me of a lecture by a snob professor who, moreover, was poorly prepared for her, but was about to teach everyone. I remembered the song of Pinocchio from the famous film "Teach better than your spiders." The speech of the Chinese comrade, with all due respect for the content, but not in form, reminded me of a report by dear Leonid Ilyich like WE FOR EVERYTHING GOOD, AGAINST EVERYONE BAD. But Poroshenko was especially surprised, as an edification to our young comrades DO NOT BE ABUSED, otherwise you will be like Poroshenko. It seems that he’s not an old man, but behaves like a crazy, evil old man who runs around everywhere and says nasty things, sprinkling with saliva. The Ukrainian delegation fell out with the delegation of the Russian Federation, leaving the room before Putin’s speech, but did it out of place, because ours came out when Poroshenko started slandering the Russian Federation, but GDP didn’t say a word against Ukrainians personally, 90% were about Syria and only 10% about Ukraine, but not about Ukrainians, but about their puppeteers, who in general are themselves interested in the leaders of Ukraine. What is the demonstration of the Ukrainian flag shot through Ilovaisk from the gallery. Can anyone think. so that under Stalin they show our flag shot at the retreat?
  19. radogos
    radogos 29 September 2015 10: 31 New
    +2
    Do not agree .. Sorry! BUT Vladimir Vladimirovich YOUNG! Not an inch back !!!
  20. Mihail55
    Mihail55 29 September 2015 10: 37 New
    +1
    If Obama was a user of a forum, a moderator would be obligated to ban such a flooder! smile
    Took the time of the next two speakers, achieved a positive assessment of Peter Aleseyevich - YOUNG! fellow
  21. zenith
    zenith 29 September 2015 11: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: anip
    I’ll ask those who here yesterday cheered Utriotically

    I’m thinking everything, but that we are all talking about the United States and the dollar. There is really nothing for us to do. Yes, let the devil mark them. Is it too much honor to try on Russia with a millennium-old era, with many civilizations, dynasties. Yes, you never know what. And some kind of America (the United States is not America, but the states in North America), a gang of cowboys who shot Indians. How did they distinguish themselves in order to congratulate them all on “outstanding” successes. What are they? Money shippers, bandits from the high road smoke with them in the corridor, the proverb urgently needs to be rewritten "to whom the war - and the mother is native to the United States." What are they up to? Yes, what are you up to? grandmothers or something that they print but don’t provide, and on figs and so suckers eat candy wrappers. They will soon burst with importance, all about them and them. And think about who they are in essence? Not really, we have nothing else to do. Oh aAmerica, oh bucks. Pooh. fool
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 September 2015 19: 57 New
      0
      Quote: zenit
      I’m thinking everything, but that we are all talking about the United States and the dollar. There is really nothing for us to do.

      Yes how to say, there is something to do, but damn it once !!! If only "mattresses" with the dollar, and then the ISIS "frogmen" bomb without demand, the fate of the "Mistral" is not clear, the "pasta" with the "Hans" muddied, Israel just shot back. Yes! - "dill" yet! In the east, the Chinese are with "jumps", the Koreans are biting again ...
      No - there’s no time to go about your business yet! Not the time!no
  22. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 29 September 2015 11: 10 New
    +2
    “The dictatorship is unstable. The dictators of today are turning into a spark for revolution. You can plant opponents, but you can’t plant an idea. ”

    Well yes. For decades, dictatorships were stable, then the United States came and blew them up, overthrowing the peoples in bloody porridge. Well, he said, like in the water ... that ... fart.
  23. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 29 September 2015 11: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: anip
    I’ll ask those who here yesterday cheered Utriotically that the dollar will “collapse” today: Where can I see the collapse of the dollar?

    The US stock market falls by 1,9-3,1%.
    http://politobzor.net/show-66032-amerikanskie-akcii-ruhnuli-posle-vystupleniya-p
    utina-v-oon.html
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 29 September 2015 15: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Yuri Nikolayevich
      Quote: anip
      I’ll ask those who here yesterday cheered Utriotically that the dollar will “collapse” today: Where can I see the collapse of the dollar?

      US stock market falls by 1,9-3,1%
      29.09.2015/0,2/1 The stock market of the Russian Federation opened on Tuesday with a decrease in the ruble prices of blue chips amid a negative stock market situation (Asia is falling), the MICEX and RTS indices lost XNUMX% per minute of trading.

      By 10:01 Moscow time, the MICEX index amounted to 1612,94 points (-0,2%), the RTS index - 768,13 points (-1%), the ruble prices of most blue chips on the Moscow Exchange fell within 1%. The dollar rose in the morning to 66,2 rubles (+0,12 rubles).

      The ruble exchange rate of shares of VTB (-0,5%), Gazprom (-0,01%), LUKOIL (-0,3%), NOVATEK (-0,2%), Norilsk Nickel ( -0,8%), Polyus Gold (-3%), Rosneft (-0,6%), Rostelecom (-0,6%), Sberbank (-1,1%), Surgutneftegaz "(-0,6%), Tatneft (-0,7%), FGC UES (-0,2%)
      http://www.interfax.ru/business/469891


      24.08.2015/6/2009 The Russian stock market on Monday fell by major indices, the RTS index fell by almost XNUMX% against the collapse of the ruble against major foreign currencies and oil quotes under the Brent brand, dropping to a minimum since March XNUMX.
      http://ria.ru/economy/20150824/1204324210.html
  24. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 29 September 2015 11: 14 New
    +2
    The whole point of the mattress’s performance is to draw the attention of the assembly participants to a speck in the eye of Russia, while everyone sees the beam in Obama’s eye
  25. zakamsk1971
    zakamsk1971 29 September 2015 11: 18 New
    +2
    There is political etiquette, but there is the truth of life. And the truth is that the United States is a state hostile to Russia, and they act unambiguously with the enemy - ,, they urinate in the toilet. "
  26. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 29 September 2015 11: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Bayonet
    The first eight months of the past year showed a figure of 203 citizens

    Humanum errare est. But it’s incorrect to compare people (those who remain) with those who are running, because traitors by definition will not be able to and will not pick up the economy and work tirelessly if there is an alternative to earning loot by spitting in their former homeland. Mordovians and other small nations do not flee from Russia.
    Today, society is experiencing a new wave of “brain drain” mainly in the area of ​​finance and information technology. The reason for this is economic sanctions and a lack of access to foreign capital. Most citizens are not satisfied with the development of a political situation that affects all spheres of life. The situation is aggravated by the inability to influence economic and political processes. Nevertheless, there is a reverse process, providing an influx of people wishing to obtain Russian citizenship. The lion's share of this amount is immigrants in Russia from Ukraine, Turkey, the Baltic countries, and China. This is not taking into account immigrants from Kazakhstan and Belarus who do not need permission to work in the Russian Federation. The downside of this desire to leave their homeland is the fact that extraordinary specialists leave, who feel they are in demand in foreign spaces. Not finding appropriate support from the state, the Russian emigration happily rushes to where the instinct of their “need” can be realized.
    Source: http://zagrandok.ru/vyezd/migraciya/statistika-emigracii-iz-rossii-v-2014.html
    Thus, we can conclude that the mobility of educated people in the world, which existed, however, at all times, does not change, but remains at approximately the same level. Yes, and Russia in this list is unlikely to take the place of not the most prosperous country, just in our It is more difficult for a state to use the earned capital with guaranteed preservation of the existing comparative income level, but it is easier to earn primary capital. And here the government needs to actively intervene to regulate and expand the areas of earnings and use of funds in the field of innovation, as well as removing official regulation.
  27. iouris
    iouris 29 September 2015 11: 40 New
    +5
    The problem is that the Earth is round, and does not stand on three pillars, so the Earth’s resources are limited. Conclusions from the very widely known, popular among the Anglo-Saxons and in the West, the theory of Malthus were first made and practically applied in England and the United States. Nazi experiments were later. The question for the West, primarily for the US administration, is only what methodology is most effective for reducing the number of people. Today is a controlled chaos methodology. Chaos is manageable. Management of chaos does not even come from the Obama administration. Chaos destroys the infrastructure of competitors, leads to the struggle of all against all. Life in chaos on the principle: you die today, and I die tomorrow. In this sense, the destruction of the USSR and the Warsaw Treaty of 1985-91, the “revolution of dignity," ISIS are links in one chain.
    It will not be possible to agree with any US president. The average American consumes resources 15-20 times more than the average Indian or Chinese. It is impossible to limit consumption - this is a decline in living standards and chaos in the United States. If you want the standard of living in Russia to not fall rapidly - die with a fall in prices for exported resources. Or promote your project.
  28. artura0911
    artura0911 29 September 2015 13: 03 New
    +2
    this is what the New York Post published today.
  29. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 29 September 2015 13: 29 New
    0
    Fell Yankermans need the whole world and all possible and affordable ways.
    Are things really so bad in our country that our rulers are so fooling and bending before the Yankitvars ?!
  30. link
    link 29 September 2015 16: 52 New
    +4
    Last night I watched a report from the UN with speeches by world leaders. And yesterday, an ongoing discussion began, with more and more often - Putin's speech. Yes, well done. True, this is not enough. If you saw the report and watched the UN hall, you might have noticed that not everyone listened to Putin. There were some walks-fermentations in the hall, if anyone showed emotions, only the delegation of Ukraine (for obvious reasons and it’s clear how). The rest were on their mind ... As the saying goes, was it worth throwing a bisector in front of pigs? Of those sitting in the hall, most of them are either completely on the side of the United States, or they are afraid to say a word against it, because they are weak and dependent on the United States. For this simple reason, you should not expect any changes from the UN. Everything is as it was, everything will remain so. Knowing the real situation in Russia, Putin should not act as a kind of peacemaker and fighter for world peace. It was already in Soviet times ... There were ballistic missiles in the mines, but they could not even provide toilet paper, not to mention meat and foolishness ... It would be better if Putin was involved in the economy and the fight against corruption. There would be more sense ...
    1. unsermann
      unsermann 29 September 2015 17: 03 New
      -3
      It would be better if Putin was engaged in the economy and the fight against corruption. There would be more sense ...

      What for? After all, such a football world cup 2018 is ahead! And what was the tune in Sochi! What an economy here! wassat
  31. unsermann
    unsermann 29 September 2015 16: 59 New
    0
    Obama's hasty departure looked like a political getaway

    Escape, speak? Or maybe Obama just doesn't give a damn about this whole UN speaking room from a high bell tower? States have conducted their aggressive policies, and are leading. And they wanted to spit that some kind of raw materials appendage was blinding there ... Enough to give out pathetic attempts for victory already!
  32. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 29 September 2015 17: 10 New
    +2
    This very barrack is “stretching its paw” to our GDP, but what is it “holding in the bosom”?
  33. AKESHA
    AKESHA 29 September 2015 17: 35 New
    +1
    Do not try and hide the truth
  34. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 29 September 2015 17: 48 New
    0
    Is there a video?
  35. akudr48
    akudr48 29 September 2015 19: 07 New
    0
    Washington’s “Ukrainian” approach is very clear: for years they will deal with Russia in the same way as with Iran, toughening and prolonging “educational measures”. In principle, there can be no other approach, no compromise and recognition of Crimea as Russian.

    And this is good for Russia and the Russians, because for the stolen assets of the ruling stratum in the West a filter will be set up in the near future with the capture and actual nationalization of the capital of Russian compradors.

    Sanctions are also good for cleansing the highest bureaucracy, since part of the elites are going to surrender to the adversary for a share in the loot, on which they will burn.

    The remaining should be considered as partially nationalized and not let out of the public eye.

    But the West is not so stupid as to help Moscow and immediately practically begin this campaign to seize the exported and brought assets, but it is already hinting, as for example, Prime Minister Cameron told the inhabitants of our London city about this possibility.

    The West also enjoys aesthetic pleasure playing with our thieves, like a cat with a mouse.

    One way or another, the matter again rests on the quality of the ruling elites, in "cadres decide everything", in the need for natural and artificial channels for selecting the ruling class.

    But this is precisely what the Kremlin does not want to do, believing that the issue itself will resolve. Will NOT resolve.

    Then, as they say, if you do not deal with reality, then reality itself will take care of you.
  36. Baloo
    Baloo 29 September 2015 19: 42 New
    0
    Barack waving his arms, spinning like a clown, he is a clown. As always, nothing new: America is preoccupied ..., the mission is exceptional ..., the world order ..., we understand that your help is needed ..., we will do everything in our own way ..., shorter than all if we bother .. .

    GDP was concentrated, severely and rigidly ducked macaques, made clear that led to massive flows of refugees. He reaffirmed Russia's commitment to cooperation and an implacable fight against terrorists, emphasized the need to comply with international law.

    I was not mistaken when I twice voted for GDP.

    After listening to Roizman at Solovyov yesterday, comments on echo matzah became even more
    despise liberalism:
  37. Bolhevik
    Bolhevik 29 September 2015 20: 45 New
    0
    Putin invited the whole world to unite in the fight against world terrorism - creating a semblance of an anti-fascist coalition. He recalled the sponsors of the color revolutions and poked their nose in their aftermath.
    This is an open challenge to the "world of an exceptional nation" and an answer at the same time. Bashar al-Assad, the winning key in this world war, the loss of which will lead to the burning of the smoldering regions of the Islamic world, the collapse of oil prices - more precisely, its monopolization and, ultimately, the ignition of the Caucasus.
    Therefore, according to the results of the negotiations, the parties remained at their own, as Assad's reliable independent "key" is under the auspices of Russia, which is unacceptable for an exclusive opposition.
    As a result of yesterday’s events, we can say that the string rings this is the limit of its tension.
    You and I may be witnessing the latest "string tink".
    The West remembers the consequences of the previous anti-fascist coalition and its power led by victorious Russia, but apparently this time it will lead the coalition of fascism.
    So - to all of the World !, understanding and reconciliation with family and friends, all the more so in times when your house has already been burned with a torch - there may no longer be time.
  38. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 29 September 2015 21: 29 New
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    And even without the United States, Putin’s scenario is doomed to success - it was supported to one degree or another by leaders of almost all Middle Eastern countries - from Egypt to Saudi Arabia, from Israel to Iran. Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and even Palestine - to varying degrees, also participate in it.

    Support, of course! But for some reason, Israel in the Golan Heights supported the militants from AL-Nusra, who, under their approval, occupied the demilitarized zone of the Heights! I think the same thing will be done and Turkey, while continuing to fight with units of the Kurdish Workers' Party, Saudi Arabia will fight with ISIS verbally, while their billionaires will support al-Qaeda financially. So not everything needs to be seen in pink, alas! sad
  39. koroed
    koroed 29 September 2015 21: 35 New
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    Does Obama need to talk a lot and eloquently? all the levers are in his hands, everything is going according to the American plan, and the role of a politician who is losing popularity, supposedly weak, supposedly lost, is beneficial to him. He benefits from the eloquent and aggressive Putin, as a kind of growing, powerful force behind all the troubles on the globe, and he, Obama, is weak and helpless, he is losing popularity, ratings are falling, is he capable of harming anyone? Did everyone already understand the role of the fool-psaki? very convenient position, nothing to ask from a fool. With Obama about the same. This is all a theater in which Obama is a gray cardinal, and Putin is a wounded roaring and dangerous bear, calling for justice, which is usually called by the weak, but listening only to the strong, so Europe will not hear Putin again, better singing to the strong hunter, bait the bear.
  40. traveler
    traveler 30 September 2015 03: 13 New
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    the result is talking to the United Nations: everyone was of their own opinion, it was possible not to collect, and not to spend money and not to take the airtime on TV from TV shows and commercials.
    t.d.
  41. maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 30 September 2015 10: 49 New
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    I want to pay attention to the photo at the beginning of the article ... The mess is the first to reach out, almost a woman’s hand ... Putin carefully looks at her, wondering: “Will I break it or not ...” Our paw is compared to our paw! Or maybe he thinks: "Is it worth it ..."