USC is ready to complete the construction of the 11356 frigates in the interests of the Indian Navy

The USC does not exclude the possibility of supplying India with three 11356 project ships, which are currently under construction at the Yantar plant in Kaliningrad, reports Flotprom with reference to the head of the shipbuilding corporation Alexey Rakhmanov.

“We are so open to all projects of the development of military-technical cooperation, that if India has such an interest, we will be happy to work with them”- said Rakhmanov.

Earlier, India’s interest in acquiring frigates was announced by the republic’s ambassador to the Russian Federation, Pundi Raghavan. According to him, "India will be able to solve the problem with the supply of Ukrainian engines," due to the lack of which the construction of ships was postponed to 2020.

Frigate of the Indian Navy "Tarkash", built at the Kaliningrad plant "Yantar"

Now the Indian Navy has 6 frigates of the Talwar type, built at Russian shipyards according to an earlier project. The first 3 ships were delivered under the contract 1997 g (cost about $ 1 billion), the other three - by agreement of 2006 g (cost about $ 1,6 billion). The second contract was fully executed in 2013.

Comments

[fregina1]

It is necessary to solve the question of where to buy engines, while there are none.
... and not to whom to sell ships ... for 20 years a pancake was sold
And he is suing for engines with brother-hohlov since it has long been paid for them, but for some reason everyone is silent about it ..... some kind of madhouse!

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Well, yes.
The key question in the article is whether India is ready to buy ships that we are ready to do.
Alas, plans and reality are not always in one package.

[Amurets]

She, through the mouth of her ambassador, said she was ready and Ukraine would sell engines to India.

[captain]

It was not worth making an advance payment for turbines on ships. It was not necessary to make an advance payment for engines for helicopters. It was not necessary to recapitalize our banks in Ukraine.

[Tor5]

As long as we don’t leave the power cable to the Crimea, the fraternal Ukrainians will blackmail us everywhere, with all that is possible and impossible.

[Bombardier]

Quote: Tor5

Until we leave the electric cable to the Crimea, Brothers we will be everywhere blackmail, all that is possible and impossible.

To blackmail is such work in Ukraine. They paid and pay for it - at least until 2019. Now Europeans are paying for one of the blackmail - and that is easier for us.

[marlin1203]

To sue is rotten. Just until 2020 we will. If there is an opportunity to throw off the "boxes" with a profit, you need to throw off and build for your engines and faster.

[vyinemeynen]

and for the money of the Hindus

[g1v2]

For the Indians, the engines will be installed. In principle, of course, the completion of the second triple 11356 for India is a good option. We started to build 11356 because they could be built much faster than 22350, which are planned by the main frigates. And since the engines will appear no earlier than 2017 (at best), then speed will not work and even if the second three are launched, then it will wait for the GTA.
So you can finish building the second triple 11356 for the Indians and lay 22350 for yourself, which will be launched when the GTA from Saturn is already there. Although in any case, if the Black Sea Fleet receives 3 frigates instead of 6, this is sadness, but this is life - little is happening as planned.

[Evgeniy667b]

Now the frigates for our fleet have slowed down to 2020, at least. If you give These ugly Indians, the new ones will go into operation no earlier than 2023. Our leaders have no brains at all. Corrupted their arms sales. All is small and small.

[Alekseev]

Quote: fregina1

It is necessary to resolve the issue

It would be interesting to hear an opinion Specialist, find out: is it possible to install a power plant from, say, six marine70 gas turbine engines of the E8 / XNUMXRD type already mastered on Saturn, on the data of the TFR (frigates). Or a combination of diesel engines and these gas turbine engines?
Complicated? Probably...
But even on the "pocket battleships" of the "Deutschland" type, the propellers rotated eight diesel engines, and it was not in the 21st century, but 80 years ago.

[Amurets]

In the network there is a book by Vladimir Kofman "Kamannye battleships of the Fuhrer". There is a good description of the power plant of these ships. In other books, I did not come across a description of the power plant. There you will understand the problem. There is no desire to reprint.

[Dart2027]

I'm afraid it will be easier to create a new project.

[North wind]

We ourselves need new ships and our hucksters are all looking for someone to sell

[donavi49]

In the world at the moment, turbines of the required power are produced by 3 companies:
Rolls-Royce - very good units, put mainly on European and LA ships, not only military, but also civilian.
General Electric is a legendary series, Hindus buy for example, the Chinese bought an old 2500, but they did not sell the production to them.
Zorya-Mashproekt.

All other manufacturers (in China, Russia, Japan) - depend on external supplies and cooperation with the three enterprises above.

[dmi.pris1]

In general, the main branch of the Kashchenko hospital is located in the "White House" and in the Kremlin ... The decisions that are made there are striking how much the policy regarding the ruins has reached a dead end .. They shit under the door and immediately the landlord bows to the shit at every opportunity .. Is it the owner then?

Quote: fregina1

It is necessary to solve the question of where to buy engines, while there are none.
... and not to whom to sell ships ... for 20 years a pancake was sold
And he is suing for engines with brother-hohlov since it has long been paid for them, but for some reason everyone is silent about it ..... some kind of madhouse!

[Civil]

Mistrals, frigates ... you have to punish someone !!!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Ukrainians are just waiting for this ... DO NOT SELL! The engines themselves can not do? If there is no shame ...!

[PROSREOT]

Maybe you are a superconstructor and you can develop a brand new engine instead of Ukrainian in a couple of weeks ?? not!?? Shame on you !!!!!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Maybe you are a superconstructor and you can develop a brand new engine instead of Ukrainian in a couple of weeks ?? not!?? Shame on you !!!!!

Why in a couple of weeks ...? (where does this infa come from.?))) You can buy as a last resort, but don’t sell ... We have engines, here to adapt .. Problem of course! We need these frigates right now! That's all..

[Stirbjorn]

Ships are designed for specific engines, then you have to redesign it again, and this again is simple

[Amurets]

Mikhan don’t be indignant! The whole problem is not in the engines, the whole problem is in the gearboxes. But to buy such equipment for the production of gearboxes is a problem. And even taking into account the sanctions. MTU also incurs losses on diesels. Because the diesels for the fleet have our patented decisions that the company cannot get around and it turns out that due to sanctions the company incurs losses not only on deliveries to Russia, but also on other deliveries, as the arbitration court did not satisfy MTU’s claim for canceling patents. But with diesel engines it’s easier, since type D diesel engines -49 from the very beginning were created as multi-purpose. With gearboxes worse. So how to purchase and install equipment for the production of gearboxes there will be their own engines. The problem is complex and it is necessary for everyone who is falling apart and continues to break up our heavy industry to shoot without the right to appeal. As Enemies of the people.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Amurets

The whole problem is not in the engines, the whole problem is in the gearboxes. But to buy such equipment for the production of gearboxes is a problem. Yes, even taking into account the sanctions.

The problem is still in the test bench.

... in Russia, a test bench for offshore gas turbine units is not yet available.

[Amurets]

Thanks for the clarification, I lost sight of the stands. More precisely, I didn’t know what they were doing. And you won’t put the unit on the ship without rolling. You are right.

[Alexey RA]

Perhaps the best compilation of the situation and cooperation in the production of gas turbine engines was with bmpd:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/796312.html

[Amurets]

Yes! Probably without fish and cancer, the chicken will do.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

I probably missed something. Maybe Russia has updated its fleet 100%? To trade frigates in the arms market? It’s time for the Ministry of Defense to set priorities, first 100% satisfy their needs, and only then the needs of foreign buyers.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

I probably missed something. Maybe Russia has updated its fleet 100%? To trade frigates in the arms market? It’s time for the Ministry of Defense to set priorities, first 100% satisfy their needs, and only then the needs of foreign buyers.

Apparently, to make money on your frigates, you first need to sell them to other countries.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

Apparently to make money on their frigates,

To dissolve deputies, governors, oligarchs and there will be money. And then a vicious circle is obtained.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

Apparently, to make money on your frigates, you first need to sell them to other countries.

There seems to be money, Putin and Medvedev said that they would not cut defense budget items.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

Apparently, to make money on your frigates, you first need to sell them to other countries.

There seems to be money, Putin and Medvedev said that they would not cut defense budget items.

There only on Serdyukov (

[Manul]

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

Apparently, to make money on your frigates, you first need to sell them to other countries.

Already. Already built, sold, accumulated, and finally began to build for themselves. And the engines paid, there was not much left. And now ours, our own, hard-won, long-awaited - to take and sell?

[Vadim237]

We have now a priority to modernize the nuclear shield, and the fleet will wait until we begin to make turbines and the shipyard does not refuse substantial profit.

[Amurets]

In something you are right. but mostly not. Tell me how many wars were after 1945? Many! How many of them are nuclear? Not a single one. And nuclear weapons will not help here. You will not use Poplar against poachers. It’s more expensive. But there are not enough carriers of conventional weapons at sea. And to protect the Northern Sea Route you need not only icebreakers, but ordinary watchmen and frigates. And you also need to protect the shelf from lovers of someone else's good. Look like the Japanese clung to the Kuril Islands. There is also no need for nuclear weapons, but a conventional one, or rather a fleet. Unfortunately sea ​​aki on dry land can walk only Jesus Christ.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

I probably missed something. Maybe Russia has updated its fleet 100%? To trade frigates in the arms market? It’s time for the Ministry of Defense to set priorities, first 100% satisfy their needs, and only then the needs of foreign buyers.

Obviously, we are talking about the sale of ships without engines, which were "clamped" to us by Ukrainians. India buys hulls from us, engines from Ukrainians. He collects all this to a heap and gets 3 combat units to his asset. It is not yet clear when we ourselves will start producing the power plant for frigates of this type (and not only). Because of the sanctions, the Gayropeans are also making faces at us. So, these ships have hung like a suitcase without a handle. By the time the engines go into production, Project 11356 will be slightly outdated. So, I fully admit the possibility of selling them to a friendly state. Well, or it remains to urgently resolve the issue with the engines.

[aleks 62 next]

... Due to sanctions, the geyropeytsy also hook our faces. So, these ships hovered like a suitcase without a handle. By the time the engines go into production, the 11356 project will be slightly outdated. ...

... Not a fact .... Everything goes to the point that the sanctions will soon be kirdyk (well, a year, or even less, I think) ..... During this time, the corps will not have anything and the factor of the novelty of the project will not disappear (well, not iPhone is really new !!!) ....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

I probably missed something. Maybe Russia has updated its fleet 100%? To trade frigates in the arms market? It’s time for the Ministry of Defense to set priorities, first 100% satisfy their needs, and only then the needs of foreign buyers.

One more time and slowly. Until 2018, the "second three" will not receive 11356 power plants. And the fleet will not receive these ships until 2018 either. They will simply stand at the factory wall - no one has a GTE for Russia.
If you sell the "second three" to the Indians, then by 2018 it is quite possible to have time to build a replacement for them for domestic engines. As a result:
- the plant does not spend money on maintaining the "presentation" of the ships,
- the state receives money for the export of FR, which for the next 3 years would be "dead weight",
- the proceeds will be used to order the "third troika" 11356 for the domestic fleet, or to lay down on the "Yantar" pr. 22350.

[Kuzyakin15]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

I probably missed something. Maybe Russia has updated its fleet 100%? To trade frigates in the arms market? It’s time for the Ministry of Defense to set priorities, first 100% satisfy their needs, and only then the needs of foreign buyers.

One more time and slowly. Until 2018, the "second three" will not receive 11356 power plants. And the fleet will not receive these ships until 2018 either. They will simply stand at the factory wall - no one has a GTE for Russia.
If you sell the "second three" to the Indians, then by 2018 it is quite possible to have time to build a replacement for them for domestic engines. As a result:
- the plant does not spend money on maintaining the "presentation" of the ships,
- the state receives money for the export of FR, which for the next 3 years would be "dead weight",
- the proceeds will be used to order the "third troika" 11356 for the domestic fleet, or to lay down on the "Yantar" pr. 22350.

Are you SURE that by 2018 they WILL BE ABLE to build a triple of ships for the Black Sea Fleet, or at least until 2020?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Kuzyakin15

Are you SURE that by 2018 they WILL BE ABLE to build a triple of ships for the Black Sea Fleet, or at least until 2020?

If you build 11356, you can focus on the Makarov: it was laid down on 29.02.2012/02.09.2015/XNUMX, launched on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. We are doing quite well, especially since the ship should be still on the slipway by the time the power plant is installed.

If you build 22350 - then the terms are longer there, they may not be in time.

[Amurets]

Nuclear submarines in the USSR were riveted in 9-10 months, and missile carriers of the 667 series. In tsarist Russia, Novik-type destroyers were built from 12 to 18 months. Have we really lost our skill and ability? I don’t believe. And why the production of power plants had to be located in Nikolaev, not in St. Petersburg or Severodvinsk? After all, they were already burned more than once with the Nikolaev plants.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Amurets

And why did the production of power plants have to be located in Nikolaev, not in St. Petersburg or Severodvinsk?

Because since Soviet times, "Zorya-Mashproekt" was the only manufacturer of ship-borne gas turbine engines in the vastness of the former USSR. And the owner of the only test bench.
Until 2014, everything suited everyone - the same Saturn was a co-founder of a joint company for the production of gas turbine engines:

The founders of ZAO Turborus on the Russian side are NPO Saturn OJSC (Rybinsk), NPO Avrora FGUP (St. Petersburg) and Turbocon LLC (Moscow), on the Ukrainian side - SE NPKG "Zorya - Mashproekt" (Nikolaev).

[kil 31]

Earlier, Pundi Raghavan, Ambassador of the Republic to the Russian Federation, declared India’s interest in acquiring frigates. According to him, “India will be able to solve the problem with the supply of Ukrainian engines” That is why the Hindus can dictate the conditions. Hindus love to bargain. It seems to me to open champagne early. They can spoil a lot of nerves.

[Vadim237]

This contract will cost the Indians $ 2,5 billion and the shipyard will be a big plus.

[Penetrator]

Quote: Vadim237

This contract will cost the Indians $ 2,5 billion and the shipyard will be a big plus.

Only the Russian fleet will remain in the red. Engines, as there were, no. Will we go sailing?

[Vadim237]

To create engines of 5-6 years, it is necessary, but for now we will continue to build nuclear submarines, auxiliary vessels and many others.

[aleks 62 next]

.... To create engines about 5-6 years old, you need ...

... Buy from the same Chinese .... And then, with the current modernization of the years through "syat", put your own .... Alternatively .... Or crank up the purchase from Ukraine through third-party firms ....

[donavi49]

The Chinese have no production. QC-280 is an assembly of GT-25000 components from Nikolaev.

Either the option purchased by GE-2500, or a limited series assembled on the basis of GE-2500 units. That is, they are dependent either on Dawn, or on General Electric.


However, they have a working stand.

[Vadim237]

But did we accidentally open a joint plant with GE for the production of turbines GE 2500 in Nizhny Novgorod?

[Kuzyakin15]

Vadim237:
Auxiliary vessels will not solve the problem. As long as we build the ships, it is time for the auxiliary vessels to be decommissioned. But why not invest money in building mine defense ships, developing and building landing ships?

[Vadim237]

Well, we have a naval doctrine so far defensive, so it will have, so far, cost to modernize existing warships and submarines.

[Manul]

Quote: Penetrator

Only the Russian fleet is in the red. Engines, as there were, no. Will we go sailing?

I’m misunderstanding something .. If the Indians want to buy these frigates from us, then can they make engines? Or are they going to buy them from another country (from the forelock)? If they can build engines, then why don't we order the Indians to build these engines?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Manul

If the Indians want to buy these frigates from us, then they can make engines?

No

Quote: Manul

Or are you going to buy them from another country (forelock)?

Yes

India will be able to solve the problem with the supply of Ukrainian engines, due to the lack of which the construction of ships was postponed until 2020

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Manul

If the Indians want to buy these frigates from us, then can they make engines? Or are they going to buy them from another country (from the forelock)?

Apparently, Ukrainians will sell them confiscated engines from the party we ordered.

Quote: Manul

If they can build engines, then why don't we order the Indians to build these engines?

They do not build these engines. EMNIP, there are only 4 manufacturers of ship-borne gas turbine engines "unlimited by licenses": Rolls-Royce, General Electric, Zorya-Mashproekt and Saturn. The rest are made under license and are strictly limited in the distribution of products.

[Evgeniy667b]

Why not sail? This is you in vain! Everything would go to complete the task.

[kostya-petrov]

Mistral to the left, frigates to the right, well done USC! Work well!
And what do we have in the Black Sea Fleet? Some toothless watchdogs from the time of the construction of Khrushchev and Leonid Ilyich run and scare the Americans!
Now here is the whole 30 division of the Black Sea Fleet in tension, everyone is gone. They need new blood there, urgently, and not left and right to sell ships that were originally intended for our fleet!

[katalonec2014]

In Ukraine, probably rubbing their hands, such luck, one and the same engines to sell to two states at once. The engines are paid, let them return the money.

[bmv04636]

If they buy well, we will finish building India, and then to ourselves

[Signaller]

"India will be able to solve the problem with the supply of Ukrainian engines", due to the lack of which the construction of ships was postponed until 2020.
About two months ago I wrote about this. I just wrote that they would put it on the wall, such as the slipways would be released, since there were no engines. So I got the minuses of 10-15 pieces. and like I'm wrong to the fullest.
So apparently they thought up there and decided it was better to sell, without engines, than to leave rusting. So at least shipbuilders will receive money and continue their work. And for minuvshshikov I can advise, think not with your back mind, but with real. Good luck.

[starshina pv]

Quote: bmv04636

If they buy well, we will finish building India, and then to ourselves

and what's good, they are waiting for the Black Sea !!!

[roskot]

Sadly it all.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: roskot

Sadly it all.

I agree. Is it really so bad! ??

[Gomunkul]

USC is ready to complete the construction of the 11356 frigates in the interests of the Indian Navy

One feels that the Zelenodolsk plant will be puffed out for everyone until they start building their engines. Who has information on the further saturation of the Russian fleet with warships during this transition period?

[starshina pv]

Quote: roskot

Sadly it all.

that's it, one boltology!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: starshina pv

Quote: roskot

Sadly it all.

that's it, one boltology!

Unfortunately, you are right. At this stage of the production of its engines (projects, plans and development), USC has no choice but to make a good "mine" with a bad game and engage in chatter. And it is painful to look for options. Up to selling "on the vine". But I suppose and very, very hope that the situation can radically change when among the "adults" there will be auctions in Syria, and the US-sheep, for the sake of saving face in the BV mix, merge Ukrainians with giblets, and they will sing completely different songs.

[lopvlad]

Thank God that at least in the construction of new submarines we are not tied to spare parts from the "fraternal" republics, otherwise everything was like in the surface fleet where we are still somehow saved by old ships.
Russia has big problems with the surface fleet and if they are not started to be solved in the coming years, then it will be able to operate only in our coastal waters.
Some kind of hopelessness

1) New quickly unable to build
2) The term of operation in the ranks of ships is coming to an end
3) We cut "on pins and needles" the strong hulls of ships in the sea and far oceanic zone, which are in storage.

We won’t see any glimmers of hope if we have been building one 11-year BDK for the surface fleet.

[Andrey NM]

Kaluga Turbine used to do something for the fleet, but now what happened to it? Previously, even the acceptance was naval there ...

[sisa29]

Arkhangelsk Red Forge "The first shipyard in Russia, almost all territories have been sold .... billiard equipment for sale. Recently in the electroplating shop there was horror from the floor, all the bathtubs were torn out in scrap, like after the bombing ...

[Dart2027]

KTZ builds engines for nuclear submarines. You won’t put them on frigates.

[Koronik]

"India will be able to solve the problem with the supply of Ukrainian engines", due to the absence of which the construction of ships has been postponed to 2020. "
Yes, the situation is deplorable, at this rate of import substitution, updating the Russian Navy by 70% by 2020 is hardly possible. It's a pity!

[Sergey333]

The US and Russia are currently waging an active war in the financial field, so the sale of these frigates to India will be a necessary measure and a blow to US ambitions.