Bondarev: the Ministry of Defense will start receiving PAK FA at 2017 g

The tests of the T-50 aircomplex are successful and with the 2017 g it will start to enter the troops, commander-in-chief of the air force contingent Viktor Bondarev told reporters yesterday. His words leads RIA News.

“So far, all the tests are going according to the program that was approved earlier. The complex confirms all its characteristics. And, I think that according to the program, we will complete the tests next year and start receiving T-2017 from 50, ”the colonel-general said.

He repeated that the car "fully confirms the requirements laid down in it and it remains only to complete the tests."

T-50 is a promising airline complex of the 5 generation, is being developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau (included in the KLA).

Comments

[supertiger21]

I would like to believe otherwise every time deadlines are postponed!

[ECT]

And the full Tryndec will come to American waffles

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ECT

And the full Tryndec will come to American waffles

Yes, it will immediately come, take and come ..... as in 41 little blood and on foreign territories.

[supertiger21]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, it will immediately come, take and come ..... as in 41 little blood and on foreign territories.

+++ I agree!

[SAG]

I’m wondering about the colors ... 5 the car was unusually painted (it looked more interesting), I didn’t see the next 6,7,8. Does anyone know what the production model will look like in terms of colors?

[Basarev]

What about the engine? Will the promised fundamentally new fifth generation dvigun take place or will PAK FA continue to carry junk from the twenty-seventh?

[Altona]

Quote: Basarev

What about the engine? Will the promised fundamentally new fifth generation dvigun take place or will PAK FA continue to carry junk from the twenty-seventh?

--------------------
Well, not junk, just a little out of date ... The question is also, how is the new engine with increased traction and new flat nozzles with reduced visibility ... Or how did the developers like it?

[Blondy]

So it was already about new engines, back in June. All according to plan.
I quote:

According to RIA Novosti, citing a source in the corporation, the technical appearance of a full-time engine for a fighter has already been formed.

It was previously reported that the assembly of the first engine, a technology demonstrator, also known as the “product 30”, will be completed in 2015. After that, ground tests of the new power plant will be conducted. In 2017, the second-stage engine is planned to be installed in a flying laboratory. As expected, the serial installation of "product 30" on the T-50 will begin in 2023-2025.
By other posts:
United Engine Corporation JSC (UEC, part of the Rostec state corporation) will manufacture the first two prototypes of the standard engine already in 2015 (the so-called "second stage" engine - "product 30") for the Russian fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (T-50).

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Basarev

Will the promised fundamentally new fifth generation dvigun take place or will PAK FA continue to carry junk from the twenty-seventh?

Do you seriously think that the Al-41F1, which is now being put on the PAK FA, is "junk of the 27th"? :) Well, you give it. Those. plasma ignition, oxygen-free starting, digital engine control system (not electromechanical) fourfold (!) increase in resource - is that right, minor improvements to the base model?
Then Armata is a small modification of the T-34.

[Azitral]

I completely agree with you. An excellent car, which can only conditionally be considered a modernization of the 38th.

[WUA 518]

Quote: SAG

Does anyone know what the production model will look like in terms of colors?

Depending on the location.

[maxxdesign]

in bright green! to be seen beyond 100km))) in camouflage it will be natural, as in the photo, creating the illusion of deformation of the planes

[Dima Čalevo]

now, it seems, there will be two color options - two-color camouflage for conventional air forces and dark gray for naval aviation

[theadenter]

It would be correct to write that the Tryndec of the American monopoly on fifth-generation aircraft will come.
But tryndets in a broader sense does not smell.

[clidon]

The "trynts of monopoly" campaign will first of all come from the Chinese.

[theadenter]

It does not interfere. More competitors - more "tryndets of monopoly".

[Samaritan]

A month ago: After that, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev added that the first production aircraft of the T-50 will begin to enter the troops in 2016 year. http://topwar.ru/81278-viktor-bondarev-istrebitel-pyatogo-pokoleniya-pokazyvaet-

prekrasnye-rezultaty.html
Give 2025 right away, but somehow it’s already awkward ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Samaritan

Give 2025 right away, but somehow it’s already awkward ...

No, there is also the magic number 2020, from which everything is crazy.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Samaritan

Give 2025 right away, but somehow it’s already awkward ...

No, there is also the magic number 2020, from which everything is crazy.

Well, in general, most likely. With all due respect to the Russian aircraft industry, there are still too few experimental machines produced.

New dates for T-50-6-2: completion of assembly - up to 30.09, 10.10. - transfer to the application of RPP, the first flight - 11.12., sending to Zhukovsky - 15.12.

and judging by the pace of production of cars of the second stage and even with the engine of the first stage, before the 2020 of the year, technically they will not have time to complete the tests.

[Michael - 235]

Your bold reasoning suggests that you are the chief technologist of this project.

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: Samaritan

A month ago: After that, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev added that the first production aircraft of the T-50 will begin to enter the troops in 2016 year. http://topwar.ru/81278-viktor-bondarev-istrebitel-pyatogo-pokoleniya-pokazyvaet-



prekrasnye-rezultaty.html
Give 2025 right away, but somehow it’s already awkward ...

In my opinion, General Bondarev is not responsible for his words. And, as they say, the bazaar must be monitored. If such a whole general colonel blurted out all over the country and is not responsible for blurring out, it’s time to leave. Or just think so?
What about Almaty? Are they responsible for the market here too? Or in 2020 only go to the troops? 1941 will wait for gentlemen generals, but who will receive the full amount for them, that is the question, again the people of Russia?
Could not, could not? Pissed off? Here are sons of bitches! Not enough money, not all drank? I have no words! Campaign sawing no worse than amers with their F-35.
Stalin is needed and 37 year, then, would have stirred bourgeois rolls! Already the crackling would have gone from the stirring, thundering!

[Michael - 235]

EVERYTHING FLOWS, EVERYTHING CHANGES

[dauria]

and then every time the deadlines are postponed!

You know, to create mass production with a huge bunch of allies, and in many ways completely new for us technological processes - it is no less difficult than to design and make the car fly. From old factories only walls are useful, and even then it’s not always more convenient to build new buildings. We are still moving fast. The Americans, even with the experience of F-22, are only just reaching the estimated 30 aircraft per month on the F-35. So they have subcontractors in England and Italy, and there are many who simply participate in financing.

[Samaritan]

Quote: dauria

You know, to create mass production with a huge bunch of subcontractors

Yes, everyone understands, but these breakfasts are already across the throat!

[marlin1203]

Aleu ?! What about the new engines?

[dyksi]

All this is strange, they wrote that serial production is being postponed, since the fighter does not yet meet the requirements, that the AL-41 thrust is not enough (especially for non-afterburning supersonic), the aircraft has excess weight, as well as poor strength characteristics. Now there are statements that the fighter meets all the requirements and will be put on the assembly line. Where is the truth? There is no second stage engine, it will be released for testing no earlier than 2018, whence the T-50's non-afterburning speed of more than 50 km appeared in the TTH T-2000 table posted by the department on our website. in hour? Where did she suddenly appear from? The problem with the strength characteristics was solved, while the center section had to be strengthened and heavier, from which then the T-50 had a dry weight of 18,7 tons, although the same pure Raptor fighter-interceptor (and the Americans are ahead of us in the development of aviation materials) weighs 20 tons. Third, we have recently discussed articles on new RVVs, it is stated there that the new RVV DB does not fit into the T-50 hatch, so today the fighter can only carry short- and medium-range missiles. Maybe I'm an amateur, but I have a question for the commander-in-chief, what are you going to take into service with all these shortcomings? Another super-maneuverable fighter for close maneuver combat, worth about 180-200 million green? Don't you think this is hyperbrute force? Why then did you destroy the production of the MiG-31, our only full-fledged interceptor fighter, when there is no replacement for it? It might still be worth concentrating on the production of the Su-30SM and MiG-35 (which they promise to launch already from 2011-2013). How can you then oppose the T-50 Raptor, which is perhaps inferior to it in close combat, but is an order of magnitude stronger than it as a full-fledged combat system, which has everything you need to destroy enemy air targets without entering their zone of destruction? And for close maneuvering combat, we have fighters that are much cheaper than the Su-35 and T-50, this is the same MiG-35 (MiG-29OVT) and the same Su-30SM. What did tens of billions of greenbacks go to?

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: dyksi

that the AL-41 is not enough (especially for the formless supersonic)

China is fine with them.

[Iline]

Quote: dauria

We are still moving fast.

If this is fast (since 2001, after a tender was announced for the development of this type of aircraft, 14 years have already passed, WHOLE 14 YEARS OLD), then what is slow?
Tu-160 was generally adopted without passing the state. tests. And it became clear only after the death of the crew of Yura Deineko. And nothing - flew. And in this case, the same person (Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force), with a run of several months, claims that everything is with us, everything is going according to plan, but the dates for starting production are all pushed back and pushed back.
And it seems to me that not everything is so good in the "Danish Kingdom". At least, apart from jingoistic shouts, no one can really voice the reasons for such a strong backlog.

[lelikas]

Quote: Iline

If this is fast (since 2001, after a tender was announced for the development of this type of aircraft, 14 years have already passed, WHOLE 14 YEARS OLD), then what is slow?

C'mon, in an unbroken union, work on the SU-27 was begun at 69m-71m, and the beginning of the service was 85th, despite the fact that nothing interfered with the work.

[Iline]

Quote: lelikas

despite the fact that nothing interfered with the work.

Nothing interfered, but the design capabilities were much more modest. Hence the speed of development is very long.

[lelikas]

Quote: Iline

but design options were much more modest

So there were more people (and it seems to me smarter), besides, all computer programs work on the basis of the same principles of design and resistance to materials, they just slightly speed up the process. The same story is with the engine - it is promised by the 20th year, which means that we will definitely not get a "full-fledged" T-50 before that time.

[Dart2027]

If you are talking about computers, then they simplify the work, but are unable to think for the designer.

[FID]

Quote: Iline

Tu-160 was generally adopted without passing the state. tests.

Well, well ... This is about the Tu-160 with ABSU-200 p.1 ... But this is already with EBN. The serial has gone through the FULL cycle, he himself took part in the state ...

[dauria]

If it’s fast (since 2001, after a tender was announced for the development of this type of aircraft, 14 years have already passed, 14 YEARS

Figures for comparison. Planes are becoming more and more complicated.

La-15 start of design June 47 Serial production in Gorky-December 49g 2,5 years
MiG-21 began with the Decree of September 9, 1953. Serial production of a small series (E-5) 10 pieces - 1957. 4 years
Mig-29 began designing in 1970, on October 6, 1977 the first flight of an experienced one. Production was launched in 1982 at the plant (MAPO named after P.V. Dementyev). 12 years

F-35 In 1996, the program received its modern
the name "United Strike Fighter" (JSF), and Boeing and Lockheed Martin entered the final of the competition. (And in reality, the development contract even earlier - 1993)
Series 2011
total 18 years.


If the series goes in 2017, then we really have not yet died to spite the bastards.

[marlin1203]

Just to be in time ...

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: Beitari

I envy you in a good, human way ...

What are you jealous of? In Israel they said: there will be an "Iron Dome"! And now, two years later, the system is put on duty.
In Russia, they said that the PAK FA from 2015, the year will go into a series, and so it was, look at the old publication, and voila - to hell with you, with 2017, go. We will show Armata in 2014 year, again old publications - and voila only in 2015 year they showed the crude version at the parade, they say, we will bring it to mind. It is not money that needs to be cut, but the hands of the recipients. Sawed commercial director paw - and already good.
But I envy Israel how they decide everything soon and introduce life.
I understand, of course, that your country always sits on a huge mine, which is about to jerk, but how well they use the allocated funds and their investment and their intended use.
Israel, keep it up! Everything will be ok.
There will be time, sooner or later, and Russia and Israel will go hand in hand. Much all the same in common with our peoples. And what our cones are arguing about now, all this will be solved, I believe in it.

[Turner38]

We have little in common with our peoples. The most important difference is faith. I mean two absolute opposites. And according to the Orthodox tradition, the Moshiach (devil) will come from the tribe of Israel. For them, he is supposedly the Messiah.

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: Terner38

We have little in common with our peoples. The most important difference is faith. I mean two absolute opposites. And according to the Orthodox tradition, the Moshiach (devil) will come from the tribe of Israel. For them, he is supposedly the Messiah.

Nonsense is all about religion. Leave it to the priests and the rabbis.
Russians and Tatars also have different religions. And what, we cut each other, is it because of this?
I'm generally a Pole by nationality, so what? I am the first thing a Russian. How did Mustai Karim speak? I am not Russian, but Russian. And now there is no bloodshed in Russia due to the fact that you are Russian, or Bashkirs (I lived all my life in Bashkiria, and Bashkirs for me are brothers like Mishars, Chuvash, Mordovians, and many other peoples inhabiting Bashkortostan). And there are still newcomers and Tajiks and Uzbeks assimilated in our country, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. There are Chechens and Dagestanis, I served with them in the same battalion, excellent officers. And how many Jews we have, you would know. Everyone has different faith. All the kitchen is different. All customs are different. But everyone has one thing in common - to strengthen their homeland, their truth!
And what is the difference between a Jew, who wants the freedom of his land and a Russian, who wants the freedom of his land? In my opinion there is no difference.
If you are a Jew by nation, do not be offended by those who will humiliate you here on the forum, like Atalef or Professor. Spit and throw. Stupid people in all nations are there.

[Sterlya]

Yes, along the way, new technologies and developments constantly appear. and you won’t have the best in the plane of the 5th generation to stick the old one. Here and stretches. but somehow you need to decide

[Penetrator]

Earlier it was promised that starting in 2016, troops will begin to enter. What changed? PIZ (Import Substitution Program) stalled or didn’t solve the problems with the engines?

[FID]

Quote: Penetrator

Earlier it was promised that starting in 2016, troops will begin to enter. What changed?

And to whom did they promise? A "talking" head with a tongue like a broomstick ... The same head was broadcasting about ready-made missiles for the PAK FA, about the resumption of the construction of the Tu-160, etc.

[ancient]

Quote: SSI

And who was promised?

Sergei Ivanovich .. how to whom ... "people" (well, this is all .. "hawala"), and then something ... "to tear to become" for some reason .. nothing (stock of hats then .. runs out )
And before that there were "promises" in 2016, and before that in 2015, and even earlier in 2014, and even earlier, in general, in 2013, the stage of military trials in Lipetsk was to begin

Quote: SSI

The same head was broadcasting about ready-made missiles for the PAK FA, about the resumption of construction of the Tu-160, etc ...

And in Syria, for some reason, not the "unparalleled" Su-35S, but the Su-30SM ,

well, and not at all with those missiles (which at Urya-MAX KRTV .. "demonstrated)

And with our ... "relatives"

So the "Talking Heads" as always with us - "We knew what we wanted, but did not know what we would succeed.
We know what we did, but we don’t remember what we wanted ...

And, yes, more: people plan the future, and the future leaves them in the cold!

[Aleksandr1959]

Like something he broadcast in Akhtubinsk on September 25 at the celebration of the 95th anniversary of the GLITs.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexander1959

Like something he broadcast in Akhtubinsk on September 25 at the celebration of the 95th anniversary of the GLITs.

Well, maybe up .. "jubilee" , because from 21st to 26th ... "festive week"

[Aleksandr1959]

In short, like the first year that Air Force Day was returned on August 12. I called, I remember, in Akhtubinsk, and there the people are in a smooth transition from the Day of the Air Force of the Russian Federation to the Day of the Air Fleet of Russia.
Oh, and it was hard for the guys.
And if the

after all, from the 21st to the 26th ... "festive week"

, then here and the Commander in Chief is not enough health

[padded jacket]

Quote: ancient

And in Syria, for some reason, not the "unparalleled" Su-35S, but the Su-30SM

Maybe because the pilots on the SU-30SM are more prepared, or maybe because the SU-35 is simply not needed in conditions when the IG simply does not have aviation, of course, except for the US Air Force and Israel, which undoubtedly act on their side, or maybe due to the fact that in cases the loss of an aircraft (which is quite realistic due to the terrorists' MANPADS) do not want the "newest" SU-35 to fall into the hands of the United States and Israel, which are in charge of the bandits.

Quote: ancient

well, not at all with those rockets

And how do you know with what missiles they fly there, did you personally hang them on planes or do you have a photo from there?
Or just say something like "blurt out"?
By the way, the photo of the SU-30SM that you provide in the message from Russia dated September 14, 2015.
http://russianplanes.net/id174647

[ancient]

Quote: quilted jacket

And how do you know with what missiles they fly there, did you personally hang them on planes or do you have a photo from there?
Or just say something like "blurt out"?

To start up some kind of dispute, and even more so to explain something to a "cotton ice" fire me

Quote: quilted jacket

By the way, the photo of the SU-30SM that you provide in the message from Russia dated September 14, 2015.
http://russianplanes.net/id174647

By the way, you will be surprised, but all the Su-30SM ... they ..from RUSSIA And in the photo some of those planes that are now there

[Shturmovik]

Quote: ancient

By the way, you will be surprised, but all the Su-30SM ... they are ... from RUSSIA And in the photo some of those planes that are now there

Where such information comes from, I'm absolutely not sure about this! Since I personally know those who are there.

[ancient]

Quote: Shturmovik

Where such information comes from, I'm absolutely not sure about this!

Right from the place where these cars were preparing for the flight!
And from those who cooked! I can even say ... which one has already been changed and when!
Lay out the route ... how did you fly?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Sergey, my respect!

[ancient]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Sergey, my respect!

Hi Andrew! Long time no see

[lazy]

and fy22 and fy35 on igil are not used, following your logic because it is homogeneous

[supertiger21]

Quote: lazy

and fy22 and fy35 on igil are not used, following your logic because it is homogeneous

Well, the F-22 was then used several times during the bombing of ISIS.

[theadenter]

Let it be better to wait a year than to adopt an unfinished aircraft (I don’t want to step on the rake, like the Americans with the F-35).

[FID]

Quote: theadenter

Let it be better to wait a year than to adopt an unfinished aircraft (I don’t want to step on the rake, like the Americans with the F-35).

Even better, wagging with less language, and doing the thing ... Already several times they announced the beginning of enlistment ... He would have to work in the intelligence, in the disinformation department! Botalo, God forgive me ...

[lelikas]

Quote: SSI

He would have to work in intelligence, in the disinformation department! Botalo, God forgive me ...

What if it is! :)))) He is terrible with his improvisation .

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: Penetrator

What changed? PIZ (Import Substitution Program)

Yes, the IPH program is stalled, who LOW IS ... IT from the budget more. No solution found yet.

[Samaritan]

Already a separate site must be done according to the statements of the generals about the t-50 !!!

[figwam]

The most interesting is how many of them will be purchased.

[Vadim237]

Ten pieces a year, until there are no new engines.

[Wiruz]

The 2010-2020 program, as I have heard, involves the purchase of 60 T-50

[theadenter]

Do you think the amount is sufficient?

[Starley from the south]

Quote: figvam

The most interesting is how many of them will be purchased.

Most likely they won’t need so many ... But something else worries me: what modifications are possible with the T-50? Will the T-50 interceptor, fighter-bomber or classic fighter? Which aircraft will he replace? Or maybe it makes sense to have planes a little worse, but much cheaper than the T-50?

[FID]

Quote: Starley from the South

But another thing excites me: what modifications are possible with the T-50? Will there be a T-50 interceptor, fighter-bomber or classic fighter?

PAK FA ... A promising aviation complex of front-line aviation ... They know how, they can chat, and what will happen in reality, who knows. What is frontline aviation? What does she do? There are attack aircraft, there are fighter-bombers, there are planes for gaining superiority ...

[Aleksandr1959]

Sergei Ivanovich, in my opinion, the original version of this program was called the IFI. And the developments were good.
And already under Poghosyan and K, he smoothly transformed into a PAK FA.

[FID]

Quote: Alexander1959

version of this program was called IFI

Well, the multi-functional fighter sounds nicer ... But, they designed the MFI at Mikoyan, hence the desire to trample and destroy. Forget about Mig, Yak, Tu, Il, there is only Su and nothing more ... Poghosyan would have sat for some more time, and transport workers with bombers would be Su ... By the way, at MAKS 2015, it was announced that the Chief S. Korotkov (Chief Designer of Mig) will be appointed as the UAC Designer, and who will become MAP (M. A. Pogosyan)? After all, he was appointed to this post, after his resignation ... Apparently, he was quietly and without criminal cases being removed ...

[Wiruz]

M-yes ... About five years ago they said that in the 15th, well, the deadline in the 16th.
By the way, this is not only the T-50 concerns. In the same way, the deadlines for adopting the S-500, for laying the destroyer Leader, about the aircraft carrier, I generally keep silent

[g1v2]

Man assumes, but God disposes. Plans are frustrating, money on trees does not grow, and my budget is not rubber. Import substitution of almost a thousand items of military products is not a pound of raisins. And the development of new cotton technology never succeeds. The T50 has been flying for several years now, and it’s possible to start production even now. However, what is the point of taking an unfinished car, for the imperfection of which you have to pay the lives of pilots? It will go into the series when all the bugs are caught and the shortcomings are eliminated, but for now, the Su30 and Su 35 will enter the troops. The main problem of our air force is the lack of fighters, not quality. The mattresses surpass us by 3 times in the number of fighters. Although most of them are already too old f15 and f16, but 2 f15 in any case will overwhelm one of our drying. You need to increase the number, and not dream about wunderwaffles. If they bring the t50 to their minds, we will start ordering, but for now we need to increase the number of fighters. And by the way, 2017, in my opinion, is a very real time, given that already 9 prototypes are flying all over.
About the aircraft carrier, initially there was an attempt to promote the Navy for a tasty contract - no aircraft carriers were planned in the rearmament program. The leader in 2019 will start to be produced - in the plan he is registered. How many of them will be - xs, it depends on finances.
Of course, I would like the voiced info in the interview to be accurate, but we ourselves catch any rumors and bits of information in the hope of interesting facts. Bondarev is certainly not the most reliable source, but at least some info is better than none.

[ancient]

Quote: g1v2

, considering that already 9 prototypes in the whole fly

And "ask" for a list of "9 prototypes" and besides ... "in all the flying" can?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ancient

Quote: g1v2

, considering that already 9 prototypes in the whole fly

And "ask" for a list of "9 prototypes" and besides ... "in all the flying" can?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ancient

even Bondarev doesn’t ... "say" that.
And then ... immediately 9 ... and even everyone flies?
Really in a week, while at sea, the belly was already warming so much .. "rolled out"?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ancient

And to "ask" a list of "9 prototypes" and besides ... "all flying" is it possible?

Hello old! You are in your role: you comb all the neophiles!
In March, Slyusar said that 4 flight specimens were transferred to the GLIC (one engine burned out, 3 remained) and 2 for ground ones. The one that is tested for strength, you know, is subject to destruction. But after a year of work, in 2015 they were going to build 3 more cars with the changes made according to the test results.
So it turns out that today 3 cars fly, plus 3 more will be built (?), So 6 may be by the beginning of the 16th year.

[Gregazov]

Quote: g1v2

However, what is the point of taking an unfinished car, for the imperfection of which you have to pay the lives of pilots? It will go into the series when all the bugs are caught and the shortcomings are eliminated, but for now, the Su30 and Su 35 will enter the troops.

In 52530 he served from 85 to 91. I don’t know of a single aircraft put into service with “bugs” caught. All during the State. tests are brought up, accepted, and then repeatedly refined and presented for control and special tests. tests.

[silver_roman]

and today the news was that the second ash-tree will go to the fleet only at 17, and even in 18. Those. it’s not necessary to speak about 7-8 pieces, which, in principle, was already clear.

that and what kind of aircraft carrier are we talking about if we have been sawing 22350 for how many years ?! A problem has ripened with power plants, which has already slowed down almost the entire program of rearmament of the surface fleet for 3-5 years.

[roskot]

It’s time for a series. The sky is waiting for the troops too.

[starshina pv]

again, probably they will postpone it, as with the ships for the Black Sea Fleet, they promised 6, now they only talk about 3. The remaining three were going to buy India, the engines do not give us Ukrainians. but we ourselves can’t!

[Wiruz]

Maybe it's for the better ?! May decide instead of three 11356 three 22350 for the Black Sea Fleet to build

Although the idle talker who is called the Commander-in-Chief said that they will be replaced by a series of RTOs. Addict, probably ...

[Manul]

Quote: starshina pv

engines do not give us Ukrainians. but we ourselves can’t!

But there’s something incomprehensible with this. Is it possible not to include a hard administrative resource? This is arrogant robbery, robbery in practice. Arrest for the cost of the engines of their property wherever possible, start several criminal cases, and take someone from the aunt in Voronezh to take someone’s hands under the whites?

[Starley from the south]

Quote: starshina pv

again, probably they will postpone it, as with the ships for the Black Sea Fleet, they promised 6, now they only talk about 3. The remaining three were going to buy India, the engines do not give us Ukrainians. but we ourselves can’t!

As far as I know, submarines for the Black Sea Fleet are being handed over prematurely, and the engines ... have already set up their release with us. Another thing is the small ships previously intended for the Caspian Flotilla, sent to the Black Sea Fleet.

[Michael - 235]

They have been waiting for the promised three years.

[Manul]

Promise not tossing bags. Be prepared to hear the same phrase with a different date in a year. It is not clear only for what purpose it is necessary to voice deliberately unrealistic figures? I won't say anything about the number of new Tu-160s at all - "Armstrong flew, and Bondarev started talking completely"
But we will not tire of hoping - all of a sudden really, but in a couple of years ..

[Tummyr]

These are new jobs (series).
I hope that this Product is never useful. So that I and my Dad (father) do not participate in various events.
Sorry for the grammar, but if what I am for Mother Russia. I have the honor.

[alex80]

How tired already is blah blah blah with deadlines. Do pancake better silently, but DO, and do not scratch your tongue!
When someone wants to really pile on it they don’t ring, and vice versa, when they talk too much -
this means that there is little to show the fact.

[Mountain shooter]

The larger the T-50, the less likely they will have to be used for their intended purpose. In general, like with "Armata". It is better to wait a year and get a finished product than to bring raw planes to the army, losing people and equipment.

[AIR ZNAK]

Quote: SAG

I’m wondering about the colors ... 5 the car was unusually painted (it looked more interesting), I didn’t see the next 6,7,8. Does anyone know what the production model will look like in terms of colors?

yes, also the intellectual glider facing And the final version is somewhat different. And while the tests are going on, we see what we see.

[Old26]

Quote: alex80

Do pancake better silently, but DO, and do not scratch your tongue!

Yes, they can’t do it with us. The higher the position, the greater the desire to promote. Some kind of incontinence of speech. Say a longer term rather, but do it earlier than vice versa. Each time shift to the right of the timeline.
It is one thing to test, for example, a car with non-native engines, to conduct most of the tests where the presence of new engines is not critical, then bring new engines to new ones rather than having new ones, to talk about launching a new car in a series

[IAlex]

And again, the future tense ...

[parafoiler]

Oh, I have these experts ... One another is more competent ...

[mitrich]

That's for sure, they got it with their own trend! ", It is planned-considered-approved -... in the ... nth year", "we have already glued a mock-up from papier-mâché and showed it at the EKLMN exhibition", "drawing boards and pulmans have been pulled out of naphthalene, placed in a row and a project that has no analogue in the world is being prepared" , ....
They cover up their incompetence and worthlessness with an empty nonsense. And most importantly, they are not responsible for anything, they are sitting on decent salaries - social packages - privileges and they did not want to spit on everyone and everything.

[darksoul]

silently do it, or else it’s bad to cheat ... 2015, 2016 ..... 2017

[shans2]

Is there a sect of whiners on the terms of receipt of the PAK FA and Armata in the troops?) Besides the whining, I don’t see anything sensible here. Armata, too, in the year 16 will not have time to pass all the tests, although someone also spoke in the 16th, will there again be a surge of idiocy and snot on the forum?

[viktor_ui]

shans2 - neighing over your question about sectarian whiners - malats and hold +

[lelikas]

Quote: shans2

Is there a sect of whiners on the terms of receipt of the PAK FA and Armata in the troops?) Besides the whining, I don’t see anything sensible here. Armata, too, in the year 16 will not have time to pass all the tests, although someone also spoke in the 16th, will there again be a surge of idiocy and snot on the forum?

Why, then, whining and snot? This is called a fraud, for example, if, when hiring, they communicate a salary of 20t, and pay 10t, but promise 20 in a year, do you happily go to meet the bosses? So here -

[Manul]

Quote: lelikas

Why, then, whining and snot? This is called a fraud, for example, if, when hiring, they communicate a salary of 20t, and pay 10t, but promise 20 in a year, do you happily go to meet the bosses? So here -

You can always earn whists by joining the opposition. Be different from everyone else and you will be considered smart

[mamont5]

"The Ministry of Defense will begin to receive the PAK FA in 2017"

Good. If only it were not too late.

[mamont5]

Quote: SAG

Does anyone know what the production model will look like in terms of colors?

So the serial model is still NOT. Unfortunately...

[lazy]

FY-22 was developed for 11 years, and yet they did not have a humpbacked restructuring of the nineties Yeltsin. stop whining

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Iline

And it seems to me that not everything is so good in the "Danish Kingdom". At least, apart from jingoistic shouts, no one can really voice the reasons for such a strong backlog.

So these cries of jingoism are patriotic and are intended so that the relevant authorities would not decide to check - where did the money go from the project and who fixes subtle obstacles to the adoption of the car in the series, continuing to ask for new money for their subsequent "development"!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

What Bondarev says, this is generally some kind of tryndets.
At first, with perseverance worthy of a better application, he broadcast on all channels many times - PAK FA will go into series in 2016. Already 90% of SOFA strategists (like me) - and even then doubted and asked questions - how this can get into the Air Force serial PAK FA in 2016, it is necessary to start making them almost today! But the project is clearly not at the stage to make serial cars. How then is Bondarev to be understood? But Bondarev - he is not dill from Mount Sinai, in theory, he should know the Air Force business much better than us, kutuz couches. And he continues to say "2016!" I understand that I do not understand something very much, since personally I personally do not expect the PAK FA in the series before 2018 and even consider 2018 as evidence of personal optimism, I will not be surprised if the deadlines are still running out, although it will be a shame, of course ...
And suddenly - babakh- Bondarev changes his shoes in the air - 2017, they are robbed!
The question arises. What, excuse me, integral differential calculus, I, a purely civilian person, know more about PAK FA more than the commander in chief of the VKS?

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

then says Bondarev, this is generally some kind of tryndets.
First, with persistence, worthy of a better application, he broadcast on all channels many times - PAK FA will go into series in 2016 year. Already, the 90% of the DIVIDED strategists (like me) even doubted and asked the question - how can the Air Force use the serial PAK FA in 2016, this is almost the way to start production today!

If you raise the records on the Internet from 2013-2012's, then some promised to receive T-50 in the second half of 2015.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

This is certainly true. But there is at least a difference of a couple of years, which can somehow be explained logically (although it is VERY difficult, here I absolutely agree with you) But how can a person declare in August that production cars will go into operation next year, and in September - "oh, sorry, not next but in one!" - this is beyond my understanding.

[rvsn90]

I do not see any comments on the merits, no one is deceiving anyone, when there are cats for the combatant T-50 then it will be in the "series", or someone present here thinks that bringing a new combat aircraft to mind is like "two fingers on the asphalt "? There is a time for everything and no panic of the LORD!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: rvsn90

I do not see the comments in essence

Oh, I utterly apologize for climbing with unsolicited advice, but you still need to urgently check your eyesight!

Quote: rvsn90

When will there be cats for the combatant T-50 then will it be in the "series", or does someone present here think that bringing a new combat aircraft to mind is like "two fingers on the asphalt"?

The question is different. Here, probably more than half of the commentators understood that in 2016 no PAK FA will go into any series, since the entire necessary test program has not been worked out corny. Moreover, many were ready to put candles in the church so that the PAK FA would not go into production in 2016, because if it did go, it would come out as if it were no worse than the F-35 - a crude airplane and into the series, it’s not at all the case.
And "one hundred million of selective hatred" evokes the professionalism (for a moment) of the commander-in-chief of the VKS, who repeatedly declares that the PAK FA will go into production in 2016 (which should not have been under any layouts)

[rvsn90]

Well, I’m talking about the same thing, about the raw apparatus, and as for the statements of the commander-in-chief of the videoconferencing, these are more political steps, let them finish the car and the point, but you can bazaar about anything, there about the irresponsibility of such statements and so on ... like So!

[Barakuda]

As one Russian pilot told me. First on the Su-30, then on the Su-35, and only then on the T 50. The electronics there is cruel, you need to learn.

[v.yegorov]

Interestingly, with a new engine or old? Who is in the know?

[Samarin]

Quote: g1v2

and my budget is not rubber

Yes, of course, not rubber - not enough for all saw cutters!

[tinibar]

But honestly, many believed that the T-50 would rush into the troops in 2015? I personally do not. 2017 is still a good time! And even let the new engine go later! It is more important that the car is not raw, finished! And it’s necessary to train pilots for it ... Well, with Armata, too, not everything is on time, but efforts to not face the dirt are evident, and they have already announced that crews will prepare for her in the special center at the plant, and that conscripts will not serve on her will be! Another upset and alarming that the technology of the intermediate generation MO refused, such as the MiG-35 and t-90am. Although, it seems, they are going to upgrade 90a before 90am ...

[Governor]

What are we talking about? That's even for the Crimea could not fit 5 pieces of normal ferries ... Everyone on the line complain, scum. If only for rent.

[rvsn90]

Well, we live in such a country, first we’ll say it, and then quickly fulfill the promise, if it doesn’t work, we move the deadlines, although again we are talking about the military equipment of the future and so far only promises are heard, of course this is a fact

[exalex2]

Bondarev, what is this and who? Whose pederast henchman Putin-like ??

[flyer8]

By 2017, it will be outdated ten times with modern technology growth rates.

[Olezhek]

http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/9/24/768717.html

Media: US Air Force Pilots Distributed F-35 Criticism Response Instructions

The development of the most advanced American fighter jet is complicated by frequent malfunctions, budget overruns and deadlines. And the pilots are now being explained how to talk about the new aircraft in a positive way, RT reports.

[BlackDragon]

Bondarev: the Ministry of Defense will start receiving PAK FA at 2017 g

and in what quantities he will act modestly silent.

[sufix]

It causes a little bewilderment. About the same news for 2015
http://rusplt.ru/society/zatyanutoe-pokolenie-16179.html
now 2016. Either their terms are shifting, or is it all just a chatter.