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Together with Russia against the pocket scorpion?

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Last saturday british tv channel Sky News and the British edition Sunday Express presented the results of public opinion polls on whether the British support a full-scale military operation (including the land segment) in the Middle East (Iraq, Syria) to destroy the Islamic State terrorist group - operations involving the British military contingent. It was noteworthy that before conducting such surveys, the British media, without any hysteria, presented information that the Russian president was calling on Western countries to come out in a united front against the increasing terrorist threat. At the same time, Vladimir Putin’s quotation was presented that one of the tasks of the ISIL militants is to discredit one of the leading world religions - traditional Islam - to set off representatives of a single confession and countries where a considerable number of Muslims live.


Survey results are as follows:

Sky News. Nearly three-quarters of the respondents (74%) were in favor of such an operation, while they said that Britain should limit its participation in the use of the royal air force;

Sunday Express. 46% of respondents supported the operation (including its land part) with the participation of British troops, and 31% expressed opposition to the participation of the British military in it.

An eye-catching collage published in the Sunday Express (GETTY):
Together with Russia against the pocket scorpion?


Based on these results, it can be stated that the information field in the West is quite clearly preparing for the inevitable full-scale operation against ISIS. They say poll results also that the overwhelming majority of the same British “Islamic state” consider the interests of the state where they live, but still (after numerous real fiasco in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan) are threatened to send their military personnel.

Obviously, the information field that is being formed in the Western media (and the need to create a united front to combat ISIS is not only spoken in Britain) suggests that the authorities of the “exclusive” state and its vassals (or politically correct - allies) are thinking hard over the proposal of Russia. After all, if we completely ignore the initiative of Vladimir Putin, then in the future it will be hardly possible to objectively explain to our citizens (subjects) why the “bloody tyrant from the Kremlin” takes real actions aimed at fighting international terrorism, and for “knights in white robes from London and Washington, "further verbal diarrhea does not go. Moreover, in the West it is well known that Russia has a victory over a large-scale terrorist conglomerate in the North Caucasus (in the same Chechnya), and that many thousands of armed gangs operating in the North Caucasus region, today, short-lived leaders of which do not have time to grow a centimeter of a beard until the moment of their destruction by Russian security forces. It is also known about Russia's cutting off the main channels for financing the terrorist rabble in the south of the country. In general, the average western man in the street (even under the condition of tons of dirt that “democratic” media is pouring onto the Russian Federation) is not an idiot, so as not to be able and reason to compare the fight against terrorism to Russia and the “fight” against terrorism of Britain and the United States ... They compare - they understand ...

This fact leads the powers that be in the West to the need not to miss the moment. The main idea, which, by definition, does not give rest to the same Obama, is connected with this: what if Putin and Asad joint actions really crush “our charm” - the “Islamic state”? .. And what if someone else has a desire for it is to award Russia, horror, the Nobel Peace Prize ... In general, the West decided to act, and the first call was a meeting of the US President with the Russian President to be held at the UN, although a few months ago Washington issued its ridiculous verdict: Putin is isolated, lead talks talk with poo Tyne is taboo! They literally swore on the blood that “Putin’s isolation is an objective reality,” and that “the economy is in tatters” ... Well, how can I forget this? ..

So, Putin’s puzzle arises before the West:

support Putin’s proposal to create a united front against LIH and other terrorist groups in the Middle East means signing his own failure on “isolating Russia” and actually recognizing Russia as one of the poles of the emerging new world;

not support - to lose support even among those who firmly believe in the infallibility of "knights in white robes."

We should not forget that before the presidential elections in the United States there is just over a year, and if the representative of the Democratic Party is still going to cling to the White House for the period 2016-2020, then the current main democrat, whether he wants to or not, will have to resort to real action against ISIS. Moreover, Obama recently hinted (yes, not someone, but a representative (albeit former) of the Nobel Committee) that the presentation of the peace prize (“in advance”) was a mistake ... And now Obama and his Democratic Party need to take action , to prove the “inerrancy” of the choice of Nobel in 2009 year ...

But the main snag is that ISIS is the very “pocket scorpion of the West” that Bashar Asad talked about. And how to decide to crush a creature that, although it can sting its own master, but the main goal for which the aim is to sting others (first of all Asad)? ..

This situation is somewhat similar to the situation of the sample of the 40s of the last century, when the same USA and Britain, previously engaged in significant sponsorship of the NSDAP regime in Germany, were suddenly forced to become allies of the USSR in World War II. At the same time, the real entry of the Allies into the war was delayed as much as it was possible at all. As a result, as you know, the Second Front was opened only after the Red Army went beyond the borders of the USSR for the liberation of Europe. And after before historical The West presented the prospect of recognizing the USSR as virtually the only real winner in the war against Nazism and fascism, with all the ensuing prospects for the unlimited influence of the Soviet Union in Europe. Such prospects then spurred Roosevelt and Churchill, as they say, to actively engage in the process. They joined in - and on a par with the USSR they were recognized as winners, "staking out" their sphere of influence on the continent.

With all the obvious disgust that the West is experiencing towards a strong Russia, today the United States and Britain are left with virtually the only opportunity not to be left out in the Middle East, and Russia’s offer to support. If it’s difficult for Washington and London to attack their throats with their own song, then as an example they can easily use the experience of Roosevelt and Churchill - to open "their" (second) front, and to open so that it will be a front really aimed at fighting ISIS, and not on the continuation of armed intrigue against the current Syrian president. Or the leadership of Britain and the United States of the mid-40-ies of the XX century was significantly more reasonable than its current representatives? ..
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  1. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 28 September 2015 06: 19 New
    +13
    SGA fed terrorists, now adhere to the real fight against ISIS
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 28 September 2015 06: 36 New
      +5
      What kind of propaganda of perversions ?! winked lol
    2. BMW
      BMW 28 September 2015 06: 55 New
      0
      Quote: armored optimist
      SGA fed terrorists, now adhere to the real fight against ISIS


      I think that their declarations will remain so, as always they will leave us face to face. I am afraid that this cunning plan of GDP is a failure. We get involved in this conflict of death like.
      1. little girl15
        little girl15 28 September 2015 08: 18 New
        +7
        I don’t think that the GDP plan is a failure. Besides Russia, Iran and Iraq are still joining (or rather, what is left of it). I think that you can do without mattresses with "comrades", although it will be difficult.
    3. Djubal
      Djubal 28 September 2015 20: 15 New
      0
      Quote: armored optimist
      SGA fed terrorists, now adhere to the real fight against ISIS

      Pentagon Madonna)
  2. Technologist
    Technologist 28 September 2015 06: 24 New
    +9
    And now they will say: And let’s we bomb, and you (Russia) will organize and conduct the land unit.
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 28 September 2015 10: 00 New
      +2
      You can answer: "The airfields are ready, arrive, we will inform you of the flight mission.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 28 September 2015 10: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Technologist
      And let’s we bomb, and you (Russia) will organize and conduct the land unit.

      But for such a proposal, the Britons would vote with 199% result.
  3. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 28 September 2015 06: 31 New
    +1
    Or was the leadership of Britain and the United States of the mid-40s of the XNUMXth century much more reasonable than its current representatives? ..]
    For me it is "or" not appropriate, There were, yes! ... Yes, there were people in our time, Not that the current tribe: Heroes - not you!
  4. strelets
    strelets 28 September 2015 06: 41 New
    +2
    I am sure that Putin will be able to defeat the terrorists and transfer the costs to the maximum of "partners", and to extract real benefits for Russia.
  5. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 September 2015 06: 44 New
    +4
    The leadership of Britain and the United States of the 40's was really an order of magnitude smarter than the current "exceptional" debi. Now they will try to “lead the joint efforts”, and, in a simple way, they will cling to someone else’s victory, as in 1945.
  6. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 28 September 2015 06: 48 New
    +2
    Will Russia Save Europe Again? Things seem to have come to this. The Coordination Committee (Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq) or the Headquarters has already been created.
    1. Rezident007
      Rezident007 28 September 2015 14: 19 New
      +1
      Yes, Europe is not something that you need to go to fight with ISIS in the Middle East, but first you would have to drive the enemy out of your territory ... If there is a war, then their rear is in full ....
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  7. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 28 September 2015 06: 52 New
    0
    It turns out that trying to weaken Russia for many years, its opponents have now come up with something else? How before World War 2? Nothing has changed, Russia alone.
    Proverb: God save me from friends, and I can handle the enemies myself.
  8. slizhov
    slizhov 28 September 2015 06: 55 New
    +1
    Who did not have time, he will come much later ...
  9. VladimirRG
    VladimirRG 28 September 2015 07: 08 New
    +5
    The Russian army has nothing to do in Syria, weapons must be supplied, but there is no war for the Syrians.
    1. Alekseev-Orsk
      Alekseev-Orsk 28 September 2015 07: 22 New
      +1
      Well, you can bomb it with aviation, but let the Syrians attack by land.
      1. vasilkovao
        vasilkovao 28 September 2015 11: 17 New
        +1
        Now the territories under the control of the IG are practically empty. This is where our aviation is worth working in conjunction with the Syrians. Burn the land contaminated with the “infection” ... work well. Here we with Iran, Iraq and the Syrian army do not really need help. And then there, under the cover of our own aviation, the Syrian troops themselves are doping. Now, if China would support us, it would be right. And the point of view is "window dressing" that we are nevertheless closer and closer ... and we are already working together ...
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 28 September 2015 07: 13 New
    +1
    Indeed, if you completely ignore the initiative of Vladimir Putin, then in the future it will hardly be possible to objectively explain to your citizens (subjects)... Why were they left with nothing? And why the fish said nothing, only with a tail splashed across the water and went into the deep sea.
  11. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 28 September 2015 07: 14 New
    0
    Will be issued "approvals" in the form of a UN mandate to conduct a land operation
  12. press officer
    press officer 28 September 2015 07: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Technologist
    And now they will say: And let’s we bomb, and you (Russia) will organize and conduct the land unit.



    Nah! They ask to tell them where and when we will bomb! Really, apparently they plan to warn their pocket IS when we bomb, so that they can hide in time!
  13. anfil
    anfil 28 September 2015 07: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: bmw
    Quote: armored optimist
    SGA fed terrorists, now adhere to the real fight against ISIS


    I think that their declarations will remain so, as always we will be left face to face. I’m afraid that this cunning plan of GDP is a failure. We get involved in this conflict of death like.


    Well, where did you get the idea that they would leave us face to face? Yes, one Assad is worth it, for three years now he has been fighting against all pro 3.14 puppets and has been holding on, but his army is allied and no shaving are needed.

    PS
    Moscow. 28 September. INTERFAX.RU - Russia does not intend to participate in military operations in Syria or other states, but it intends to intensify work with the Syrian president and other foreign partners, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    "Russia will not participate in any operations on the territory of Syria or in other states, in any case, we do not plan this today," Putin said in an interview that he gave on the eve of the UN General Assembly for CBS and PBS.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 28 September 2015 07: 39 New
      0
      Quote: anfil
      Yes, one Assad is worth

      It costs exactly as much as the territory it can hold, and as shagreen skin decreases, so does its “cost”
    2. BMW
      BMW 28 September 2015 07: 41 New
      0
      Quote: anfil
      Yes, one Assad is worth it, for three years now he has been fighting against all


      His resources are finite, and the situation is becoming so precarious.
      Naji Bulla held out for three years after we left Avgan, so what?

      "Russia will not participate in any operations on the territory of Syria or in other states, in any case, we do not plan this today," Putin said


      Do not forget that our base is there. It seems like our otvetku already shot there, or the news is lying?
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 28 September 2015 11: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: bmw
        Quote: anfil
        Yes, one Assad is worth it, for three years now he has been fighting against all


        His resources are finite, and the situation is becoming so precarious.
        Naji Bulla held out for three years after we left Avgan, so what?



        "Russia will not participate in any operations on the territory of Syria or in other states, in any case, we do not plan this today," Putin said


        Do not forget that our base is there. It seems like our otvetku already shot there, or the news is lying?


        I think Assad is too early to bury. He has few resources, this is true. But there is an army (not the worst in the region), a desire to fight too. The Syrian Express operates regularly. If Assad's collapse were close, then, in my understanding, Israel would have already intervened in the batch, because victory of the IG he needs the least. Well, since they are pulling, then things are not so bad, although Syria is weakening in this war.
        Middle Eastern refugees have tipped Europeans to the Russian version of resolving the situation. I think GDP today will voice the topic at the general assembly.

        I believe that there is no need for us to directly participate in the database in Syria. In order for the scales to lean toward Assad, we need to increase aid to Syria, while at the same time we must stop supporting the "sons of democracy" from the "fathers of democracy." There will be no money - there will be no "chairs."
        1. BMW
          BMW 28 September 2015 13: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Polite Moose
          I believe that there is no need for us to directly participate in the database in Syria. In order for the scales to lean toward Assad, we need to increase aid to Syria, while at the same time we must stop supporting the "sons of democracy" from the "fathers of democracy." There will be no money - there will be no "chairs."


          But this is absolutely correct. hi drinks
  14. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 28 September 2015 07: 20 New
    0
    Nobel Peace Prize is discredited in advance to Obama, I can not imagine how to wash it!
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 September 2015 07: 42 New
    +2
    It is desirable for the British that everything be done by the wrong hands, as is customary with the Anglo-Saxons. And the British learned more than one hundred years ago to act with the wrong hands and set others against their enemies.
  16. radogos
    radogos 28 September 2015 08: 15 New
    +3
    How to set this scorpion on the owner? that's what you need to consider! fool otherwise, after suppression, these features of the new will be nourished; they cannot live without war ...
  17. Azitral
    Azitral 28 September 2015 09: 33 New
    +2
    Comparison with Afghanistan is incorrect and fundamentally wrong.
    1) For starters, we killed Amin, who, whatever one may say, was the official head of state, made a coup, set up his protege, etc. Aggression or it is easy to imagine as aggression, bring down on us almost all public opinion. Assad is the rightful head of the country, elected, and here THEIR question about his legitimacy looks dubious and smelling bad.
    2) They had to fight EXCLUSIVELY by themselves, the Afghan "allies" looked into the forest, sabotaged, betrayed at the first opportunity, or they were inept people of the penultimate analysis, worthless. Assad has an army, and those who fought alone for four years, without any support, slandered against the whole terrorist scum along with the whole West, in complete hopelessness, are iron people of tried and tested devotion. Give weapons, equipment, information, block supplies to terrorists, cover from the air from the "democrats" - and they will cope with the terrorists, in any case, with their armed wing.
    3) We have local allies, at least in this matter, and not through hostile Pakistan: Iraq, Iran, rumored to be China. If, at least a little bit, but it does, others, including unexpected ones, will catch up.
    4) Times have changed. It’s a very opportune moment to check tactical, organizational, and technical innovations that have been “sharpened” specifically for counter-guerrilla warfare: information coordination centers, electronic surveillance tools from drones, and to the mass of hidden cameras dispersed at key points.
    5) There is no Western solidity in relation to the Syrian issue. You cannot explicitly shit, you cannot explicitly condemn, and there are reasons, albeit secretly, to help seriously.
  18. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 28 September 2015 09: 57 New
    +13
    Assad now needs our help in organizing defense and attacking thugs trained and armed for Amer’s money.
    1. GRDS
      GRDS 28 September 2015 10: 26 New
      +6
      Greetings! The picture is indicative.
      At the expense of the girls - as far as I remember - it seems as if if a devout ISHILOVETS is killed by a woman, he will never go to paradise, where he will be met by full-breasted gurus. Therefore, they are afraid of them like fire.
  19. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 28 September 2015 11: 44 New
    +8
    And if the bugger kills? Probably worse?
    That is why an army of geyrops is needed in the fight against radical Islam! laughing

    (Cool - I write a tolerant "gee", automatically corrects for a bugger! However! The moderators themselves do not know how decent it looks! laughing. But why, quite a decent word "w and d" does not like - to understand not able. Just some nonsense!)
    1. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 28 September 2015 18: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Volzhanin
      (Cool - I write a tolerant "hey",

      bugger ???
  20. iouris
    iouris 28 September 2015 11: 51 New
    +2
    Russia, Iran and China can solve all the problems in Syria and Iraq without direct participation.
    The meaning of Western policy is gas and oil, and cut off heads and refugees are in order to influence consciousness through the subconscious, to justify for the seizure of resources. In this sense, the Kiev regime is the same ISIS.
  21. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 28 September 2015 12: 35 New
    +1
    You can also utilize ISIS militants and bases for obsolete ballistic missiles ... with warheads ... with conventional ...
  22. akudr48
    akudr48 28 September 2015 12: 46 New
    +3
    As if not to get into these Syrian swamps and swamps ..
    To the accompaniment of our English, American German and Jewish friends and partners.

    Remember Afghanistan, do not forget and help in the Donbass, and do not scam in the Middle East, in which any business is a delicate matter.

    That should be the slogan of Russia.
  23. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 28 September 2015 15: 58 New
    +1
    Together with Russia against the pocket scorpion?
    On the Internet walks the information that the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning docked in Tartus.
    On Friday, 25 September, while US President Barack Obama welcomed the White House Chinese President Xi Jinping and talked about the friendship between the two countries, the Chinese aircraft carrier "Liaoning» (Liaoning-CV-16), followed by the missile cruiser docked in Syria Tartus.
    hi
  24. Leeder
    Leeder 28 September 2015 17: 06 New
    +1
    This situation is somewhat similar to the situation of the sample of the 40s of the last century, when the same USA and Britain, previously engaged in significant sponsorship of the NSDAP regime in Germany, were suddenly forced to become allies of the USSR in World War II.

    I like the comparison, but it is also very scary!
  25. satris
    satris 28 September 2015 19: 45 New
    0
    Judging by the collage, a tank with a knife will crush a hand ...
  26. bald
    bald 29 September 2015 08: 45 New
    0
    The US is trying to become the head of its personal coalition "against terrorists", following the principle: "If you can’t win, head it."