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Deadly threat to "Cobra" and "Mirage" - Russian modernized "Shilka-M4"

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Foreign armies still use hundreds of ZSU-23-4, which are still an excellent low-cost option for any country. Therefore, the task of upgrading the machine veteran is still relevant. According to military experts, the best option would be the Russian ZSU-23-4М4 "Shilka-М4", recently demonstrated at an exhibition in Nizhny Tagil, reports "Messenger of Mordovia".


Deadly threat to "Cobra" and "Mirage" - Russian modernized "Shilka-M4"


According to the creators of the machine, the main purpose of the ZSU-23-4М4 "Shilka-М4" is air defense of ground forces units in all types of combat operations, as well as for air defense of objects.

ZSU can fight with low-flying aircraft, including hovering, cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, lightly armored ground and surface targets, as well as targets that are dropped on parachutes under conditions of interference and various climatic conditions.

It is possible to integrate into a single military information structure of air defense. The machine is equipped with: 23-mm quad small caliber installation, two universal starter modules. Ammunition - 2000 23-mm shots, as well as 4 missiles to the Strelets complex.

In a single air defense system, an air target can be detected up to 34 km. The maximum target tracking when using a radio channel reaches - 10 km, the minimum - 200 meters.

The machine has the ability to shoot down air targets that fly at a speed of 500 MS, the minimum height of the target tracking is 20 meters. The consumption of shells - 300-600 shots, the probability of hitting the target in one span at the expense of shells to 300 pieces - 0.5.

The range of damage in range is 2500 meters, in height 1500 meters, rocket armament in range 5000 meters, and height 3500 meters. Crew - 4 person.
Photos used:
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
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  1. Hubun
    Hubun 26 September 2015 07: 54 New
    36
    Shilka is definitely a thing !!! Somewhere I heard that a tank can stop in the forehead. Of course, it won’t take the armor, but the tank is rowing on the spot. But it’s a terrible thing against manpower in a clean field. Yes, and against aviation, it seems to me, pretty relevant. Especially in modernized versions
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 26 September 2015 08: 14 New
      48
      Surprised missiles on the "Shilka". Such a modernization has long been asking for itself. Not the richest countries will like it, and our storage facilities can be slowly upgraded.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 26 September 2015 13: 36 New
        +4
        Shylka on a needle - yes. But as air defense - sorry. 300 rounds of ammunition with a probability of 0.5, say 600 rounds - 100%, ammunition 2000, we get 3 downed targets, And if you put missiles there, you get a shell. He is already riveting with might and main.
        1. vadsonen
          vadsonen 26 September 2015 16: 37 New
          +3
          This should not be allowed. Will the gun always have time to release 600 shells in one flight? Will there be a second flight at all?

          In any case, the probabilities cannot be added this way, and 100% defeat will never happen. Therefore, to hit even 3 targets with a high probability will not work.
          1. litus
            litus 26 September 2015 21: 45 New
            0
            Quote: vadsonen
            In any case, the probabilities cannot be added this way, and 100% defeat will never happen. Therefore, to hit even 3 targets with a high probability will not work

            and if 2 shilka will work for the same purpose? so it is possible?
            1. alex86
              alex86 27 September 2015 08: 04 New
              +5
              If I remember school math correctly, the probability of defeat will be 1-0,5x0,5 = 0,75 - of course, you can ...
          2. edge
            edge 28 September 2015 09: 29 New
            0
            Quote: vadsonen
            Will the gun always have time to release 600 shells in one flight? Will there be a second flight at all?

            This is a system of front-line air cover, the fight against attack aircraft and helicopters ....
          3. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 28 September 2015 12: 08 New
            +1
            ... Will the gun always have time to release 600 shells in one flight? ...

            ... It will be in time ..... There is a rate of fire- my mother doesn’t worry !!!! ..... I don’t remember exactly, but the rate of fire is about 3500 per minute .... And this is about 10 seconds .... In general, this thing hits with packs of shots .... Even if a 2 sec packet is a "swarm" of 120-140 shells .... Given automatic guidance .... Tin !!!!
            1. VeteranS
              VeteranS 28 September 2015 15: 24 New
              +2
              On the Tu-95 in 1971, when I served as an air gunner, the radio operator YES stood just 3X2 AM-23 guns .... Diameter 23 mm, and rate of fire 23 shots per second from one twin gun ... 1380 rounds per minute .. . armor-piercing shells, conventional, incendiary ... So much time has passed, and this model of the 23 mm gun is constantly being improved! When we shot at ground targets during the exercises, a black spot remained from the targets ... Still, God did not deprive us of the bright brains of our designers and scientists!
      2. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 27 September 2015 13: 25 New
        0
        Moreover, during the Soviet era, they put rockets and called them "Tunguska"
        1. Shuttle
          Shuttle 28 September 2015 09: 36 New
          0
          Quote: dkflbvbh
          Moreover, during the Soviet era, they put rockets and called them "Tunguska"

          It’s all wrong, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel!
          Shilka: 4 × 23-mm
          Tunguska: 2 x 30 mm
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 26 September 2015 08: 23 New
      16
      Quote: Hubun
      Shilka is definitely a thing !!!

      If memory serves, then in Afghanistan the spirits called it Shaitan Arba, only in Afghanistan a radar station was removed from it, so as not to give out its presence in escort columns.
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 26 September 2015 08: 55 New
        45
        Quote: Sirocco
        If memory serves, then in Afghanistan the spirits called it Shaitan Arba, only in Afghanistan the radar station was removed from it, so as not to give out its presence in the convoy columns.


        The radar station, and everything that was connected with the guidance over the radio channel, was not dismantled for this. And as unnecessary ...
        There were no "spirits" of aviation.

        And in addition, the dismantling of equipment, allowed to increase the volume for ammunition, improving its characteristics.
        1. Vadimsh
          Vadimsh 27 September 2015 07: 48 New
          0
          Yes, that's right
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      3. ARES623
        ARES623 26 September 2015 13: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: Sirocco
        If memory serves, then in Afghanistan the spirits called it Shaitan Arba, only in Afghanistan the radar station was removed from it, so as not to give out its presence in the convoy columns.

        Shaitan Arba was also called Shilka and BMP-2. For the sake of this, sometimes the banner was stuck in the BMP-1 gun, so that from a distance there was a resemblance to "2". But about eating radar, so as not to give out the location - have fun. It didn't even occur to Hollywood to put the mujahideen in his turban at the remote control of the radar reconnaissance station. Move the little idea there - you look, chop the cabbage. They like fiction there.
        1. Kolyma
          Kolyma 28 September 2015 05: 58 New
          +1
          I mean something else :) namely, to increase the survival of the machine on the battlefield by reducing its visual identification, so that it (shilka) does not become a priority target for the first grenade hi
      4. Vadimsh
        Vadimsh 27 September 2015 07: 47 New
        0
        absolutely right
    3. NOMADE
      NOMADE 26 September 2015 08: 30 New
      27
      this is a beautiful legend, Newton’s laws, no one canceled, if the tank had stopped, then the silk itself would have flown away in the opposite direction when shots;))
      and so, Shilka is a thing! Modernization has long been obvious with the change of Breo, the installation of missile weapons.
      In truth, a universal machine, you need to support the infantry, please, you need to cover from the air, please, too!
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 26 September 2015 08: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: NOMADE
        this is a beautiful legend, Newton’s laws, no one has canceled

        At the expense of Shilka, I don’t know, maybe this is a legend, but about the AK-630, I saw the transmission on TV, according to the designer, demolishes all the attachments from the tank (as I can expect the storage cabinet) and incapacitates everything equipment inside the tank that may fall off the mount.
        1. NOMADE
          NOMADE 26 September 2015 08: 56 New
          11
          so I didn’t say anything about damage, I mean that it stops. It is clear that with such a rate of fire, the entire outer body kit will be demolished. about 30 mm, there was even more, there was information that, when a leopard (which type I don’t remember) is successfully hit (with a small dispersion of shells)), cracks appear.
          when working ak 630, the moment of return, as far as I remember -20 tons!
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 26 September 2015 11: 15 New
            +9
            In my opinion, not a moment of bestowal, but an impulse. The moment is still a force on the shoulder.
            1. NOMADE
              NOMADE 27 September 2015 02: 54 New
              +1
              yes, you are right - an impulse, not a moment of bestowal
          2. Dilshat
            Dilshat 28 September 2015 00: 01 New
            +2
            It won’t break through the armor of the tank, but what kind of crash will it be inside the tank? Stunning the entire crew and the problem of washing their pants. This is not before maneuvers and battles laughing
        2. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 26 September 2015 09: 04 New
          10
          Actually, the AK-630 is a ship system, how will it shoot at tanks?
          1. NOMADE
            NOMADE 26 September 2015 09: 08 New
            +1
            I know perfectly well that ship option. I mentioned it, as an example on the return))) and 30 mm and its power is about a weapon on a BMP (I do not remember the model)
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 26 September 2015 09: 19 New
              0
              There was an article about firing BMP-3
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 26 September 2015 09: 19 New
              0
              There was an article about firing BMP-3
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              2. gjv
                gjv 26 September 2015 13: 57 New
                10
                Quote: Zaurbek
                There was an article about firing BMP-3

                I did not find an article about shooting. There is an article about the modernization of weapons BMP-3.
                KBP weapons for wars of new type
                http://topwar.ru/25290-oruzhie-kbp-dlya-voyn-novogo-tipa.html
                Here’s a video about shooting
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              4. gjv
                gjv 26 September 2015 14: 02 New
                +6
                Quote: Zaurbek
                There was an article about firing BMP-3

                Another such presentation of the BMP-3M weapon system
          2. WUA 518
            WUA 518 26 September 2015 10: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: Andrew NM
            Actually, the AK-630 is a ship system, how will it shoot at tanks?

            The Chinese have already blinded.
            1. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 26 September 2015 12: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: WUA 518
              but about the AK-630, I saw the transmission on TV, according to the designer, demolishes all attachments from the tank (as I guess the storage cabinet can also) and destroys all the equipment inside the tank that can break from the mount

              Maybe I read something wrong?
              The Chinese hid the ammunition in the tower, and the AK-630 under the tower had it all. I didn’t see how Shilka shoots, but I had to like AK-630, I liked it. Only strongly presses on the ears :).
        3. bubla5
          bubla5 26 September 2015 09: 26 New
          +1
          Caterpillars can smash into the trash
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          2. BDRM 667
            BDRM 667 26 September 2015 10: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: bubla5
            Caterpillars can smash into the trash

            With a successful set of circumstances, when shooting in a lateral projection, "shave" nafig the whole "hodovka" ...
            Yes, and the crew, after getting a flurry of 23mm "cucumbers" in the tower and the hull, you will not envy. I suppose, at least, a concussion ...
        4. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 28 September 2015 13: 59 New
          0
          The AK-630 is a ship’s armament. Where did you see the tanks in the sea?! They didn’t do it against the tanks. And the consumption of b / c on it is soooooo! On the ships of the cellar, God forbid!
          They shot at the tank at the firing range. Well, the body kit was demolished. So what? And what will happen to the AK-630 or ZSU if the tank gets into the response?
      2. Yarik
        Yarik 26 September 2015 08: 45 New
        12
        gee-gee. And if, for example, a bullet from an AKP Colt 11.43 rolls a person when hit in the chest, is that a shooter flies off for a couple of meters? laughing Something, it seems to me, you and Comrade Newton did not work out.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 26 September 2015 09: 14 New
          +1
          The legend is that the checkpoint tank was covered .. Bullshit of course! But against the subsonic cruise missiles the thing is deadly. The radar is of course old, but the flow of shells .... like from a brigade ...
          Quote: Yarik
          gee-gee. And if, for example, a bullet from an AKP Colt 11.43 rolls a person when hit in the chest, is that a shooter flies off for a couple of meters? laughing Something, it seems to me, you and Comrade Newton did not work out.
        2. Archon
          Archon 26 September 2015 12: 42 New
          0
          Well, it depends on how thick the shooter and target are. if a terribly thin person shoots a fat man, the situation will change.
      3. anfil
        anfil 26 September 2015 09: 00 New
        +6
        this is a beautiful legend, Newton’s laws, no one canceled, if the tank had stopped, then the silk itself would have flown away in the opposite direction when shots;))


        So the tank does not push the shilka, but the released charges, which have their own speed. And so in your opinion it turns out that the person who shot the pistol at the bulletproof vest should also fly off at the same distance as the person in the bulletproof vest into which the bullet hit.
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 26 September 2015 09: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: NOMADE
        this is a beautiful legend, Newton’s laws, no one canceled, if the tank had stopped, then the silk itself would have flown away in the opposite direction when shots;))

        It looks like your Newton lived far from school ??
        The force of expanding gases during the combustion of gunpowder accelerates a bullet in the bore and gives it kinetic energy.
        How is the energy of the weapon related to the purpose in which it falls?
        This is not a spear rider for you, where spears are filed at a performancelaughing
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 26 September 2015 11: 22 New
          +2
          To the picture.
          In the picture, the knights converge incorrectly, in the right-hand position, which does not give the proper effect for defeat. From here, the world initially had left-hand traffic, i.e. with weapons closer to a potential enemy
          1. Artyom
            Artyom 26 September 2015 11: 44 New
            +3
            but for me it’s so right! They converge as you indicated, then the right side is not exposed!
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        3. NOMADE
          NOMADE 27 September 2015 03: 09 New
          +1
          Newton is not mine, but the great scholarly heritage of mankind. On his laws of conservation of energy, all modern physics (except quantum ...) is built, and as a result, all industry, mechanics and mechanisms.

          you yourself correctly answered that the bullet accelerates in the barrel and the maximum speed (and as a consequence the energy E = m * s2) at the cut of the barrel, and so at this moment there is a reaction, in this case, recoil.
          Further, in flight, the speed and, as a result, the energy of the bullet / projectile falls (and is not taken from nowhere)))

          And to all the minusers, I recommend re-studying the school program in physics (like there used to be a 5-7 grade program)), it’s not holy to believe Hollywood films that when a bullet hits, a person is thrown back by 2 meters))))
          1. TanakaKenshin
            TanakaKenshin 28 September 2015 00: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: NOMADE
            Newton is not mine, but the great scholarly heritage of mankind. On his laws of conservation of energy, all modern physics (except quantum ...) is built, and as a result, all industry, mechanics and mechanisms.

            you yourself correctly answered that the bullet accelerates in the barrel and the maximum speed (and as a consequence the energy E = m * s2) at the cut of the barrel, and so at this moment there is a reaction, in this case, recoil.
            Further, in flight, the speed and, as a result, the energy of the bullet / projectile falls (and is not taken from nowhere)))

            And to all the minusers, I recommend re-studying the school program in physics (like there used to be a 5-7 grade program)), it’s not holy to believe Hollywood films that when a bullet hits, a person is thrown back by 2 meters))))


            Nothing personal, but before sending others for textbooks, it would not be bad to repeat the basics yourself;)
            Firstly, E = mc ^ 2 is a formula of the total energy of a physical object released during its annihilation. For less pathos physics, the kinetic energy formula is used, E = 0,5mv ^ 2.
            Secondly, first the recoil acts on the breech / breech, and only then on the cut of the barrel, and it acts on the breech / breech to a much greater extent than on the cut of the barrel.
      5. michell
        michell 26 September 2015 09: 18 New
        10
        Quote: NOMADE
        this is a beautiful legend, Newton’s laws, no one canceled if the tank stopped


        Speaking figuratively, the “tank stopped” is not a legend, but a reality. Shilka’s fire density is highest, and if MBT gets under this stream of 23 mm shells, his armor will, of course, remain intact, but the attachments (lights, sights, an external machine gun) will simply blow away, all periscope devices will be destroyed, and after that the tank will not go anywhere, not to mention the ability to fight. So, stopping the tank with Shilka is a very real task. The main thing is to prevent the tank from firing first.
        1. dokusib
          dokusib 28 September 2015 08: 34 New
          0
          As there is such a beast, "Terminator" tank escort machine. Just for this and done. Only he has a spark
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      7. Thronekeeper
        Thronekeeper 26 September 2015 09: 43 New
        +1
        Moreover - how many foreign operators!
        They have a new radar, OEPS, yes + 4 "Pine", at least "Needles" on the tested car. And not so expensive.
      8. Manul
        Manul 26 September 2015 10: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: NOMADE
        this is a beautiful legend, Newton’s laws, no one canceled, if the tank had stopped, then the silk itself would have flown away in the opposite direction when shots;))

        Legend, not legend, but what will happen to the tank after Shilka’s solid salvo? Will any of the attachments survive, and will the tank be able to continue fighting after that? I’m not saying that Shilka should be released against tanks, but it seems to me that she has a chance to stop the tank.
      9. Archon
        Archon 26 September 2015 12: 39 New
        -1
        At a minimum, it has a very impressive appearance and is able to demoralize the enemy without even shooting at all.
      10. 76rtbr
        76rtbr 26 September 2015 14: 00 New
        -1
        I don’t know the tank, it will stop no, but the bald armor remained !!!
      11. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 27 September 2015 10: 27 New
        -3
        Quote: NOMADE
        If the tank stopped, then the silk itself would fly off in the opposite direction when shots;))

        An 76 mm T-34 cannon gives a return in 76 tons when fired, which is twice the weight of the tank, so that the tank does not fly away from the shot, there is a hydraulic barrel rollback system, but the energy of impact on the armor of the 76 mm projectile exceeds the daily output of the entire Dnieper . So the power of a projectile strike, if it does not ricochet, exceeds the recoil force many times over.
        1. NOMADE
          NOMADE 27 September 2015 12: 44 New
          +2
          yes, you are right, but this energy is obtained when the projectile comes in contact with another object. compare the area of ​​the frontal projection of the projectile and the area of ​​uniform acceleration of the projectile in the gun’s barrel, then the return goes to the tower, carriage, hull, chassis, ground. a shot is a short-term and controlled impulse. hit of a projectile with its small projection, pointed frontal part, this is an avalanche-like destruction, for understanding, there is such a term as the fluidity of steel, for example 60 kgf / mm. So compare the area of ​​the tip of the projectile (several mm) with the acceleration area in the barrel. energy is not taken from nowhere, after departure and the trunk, the speed only drops, as a result, and energy.
        2. tolancop
          tolancop 27 September 2015 22: 25 New
          +2
          So the power of a projectile strike, if it does not ricochet, exceeds the recoil force many times over.
          Take a physics textbook for the 6th grade (now it may be for another ...) and read the paragraphs with the tasks of maintaining momentum - this is somewhere at the very beginning. In classical students, there was always a task for a bullet fired from a gun, bullet speed and recoil ....
        3. SSeT
          SSeT 28 September 2015 23: 42 New
          0
          Do not drive, smoke materiel
      12. Havoc
        Havoc 27 September 2015 16: 26 New
        0
        Modernization has long been asking for a change of breo,

        Tunguska - this is the modernization of the legendary Shilka.
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 27 September 2015 17: 38 New
          0
          This is Shilka's Daughter
          1. Shuttle
            Shuttle 28 September 2015 09: 51 New
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            Quote: igor.borov775
            This is Shilka's Daughter

            Judging by your statement, Shilka is Tunguskin’s mother. And who is dad then?

            And, by the way, if you take kinship, then Tunguska is rather the eldest (in the sense of power) sister of Shilka. And most likely even a cousin.
    4. avia1991
      avia1991 26 September 2015 10: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Hubun
      against manpower in the open field is a terrible thing however.

      Not necessarily in the field - in the conditions of the highlands, he smokes “spirits” from shelters perfectly. Accompanied by columns, the machine is indispensable!
    5. Aposlya
      Aposlya 26 September 2015 15: 29 New
      -3
      I have one acquaintance, a former officer-flyman once said that if the shilka hits the tank forehead, then the tank seems to be intact, then the stuffing from the crew turns out ... is there anything connected with resonance?
      1. NOMADE
        NOMADE 27 September 2015 03: 18 New
        +1
        this is a legend, but not enough pleasant, but there will be no "stuffing". this term was valid for the high explosive 122 and 152 mm of the times of World War II and that is because the tanks were not sealed (there was no protection against WMD). Now it’s almost not relevant, since the tanks are airtight and have excessive pressure inside the fighting compartment, as a result, they are less sensitive to the action of the shock wave when the mine is blown up.
        1. NOMADE
          NOMADE 27 September 2015 12: 29 New
          0
          minusator, get out of the dusk and justify what you disagree with.
          invisible shooter mlyn))
    6. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 27 September 2015 17: 25 New
      0
      Hello!! Yes, the old woman can still wrestle, but better of course Tunguska. Ea will not give her to anyone. Crumbles like a sewing machine. For some reason, it is constantly in the shade. And the system is strong.
    7. edge
      edge 28 September 2015 09: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      Shilka - a thing definitely !!

      and especially for poor states with a rugged topography .... works very well on ground targets (especially in the mountains)
      1. Tilkus75
        Tilkus75 28 September 2015 10: 24 New
        0
        Shaitan Arba Shuravi however!
    8. AAV
      AAV 28 September 2015 10: 29 New
      0
      With a volley of Shilka on the tank, you can take down all of its attachments, including surveillance systems, after which it will most likely stop ...
  2. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 26 September 2015 07: 54 New
    +1
    Veterans do not go to peace and continue to be in service.
  3. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 26 September 2015 07: 54 New
    -13
    except for missiles, and so for Cobras, and even more so for Mirages, they’ll carve it out like a tortoise god
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 26 September 2015 08: 23 New
      13
      Quote: rosarioagro
      except for missiles, and so for Cobras, and even more so for Mirages, they’ll carve it out like a tortoise god

      How to say...

      In a defense in depth defense system, the Shilka will be its last link, about which the remnants of the enemy's penetrated aircraft will have to be broken.

      She has a place in the army, her own niche ...
  4. B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 26 September 2015 08: 00 New
    0
    I would have a sword, but a horse
    Yes to the line of fire!
    Only hardly shaw from mani
    -It was posled after ...
    I saw the device in the 1986-mmm case. At night on Katyusha shells,
    in Berdyansk. Strongly. Like a salute.
  5. ararat
    ararat 26 September 2015 08: 01 New
    0
    A good thing. It would be more useful for them to establish Russia on the borders of the Baltic states, Ukraine, and NATO countries so that not a single trough flies.
    1. Andy
      Andy 26 September 2015 09: 17 New
      +3
      I want to ask a question to uriapatriotu-why shilka Russia? she is outdated, has insufficient range. there are more powerful and new tungusks in the army, now shells are coming. WHAT FOR? for the sake of an Internet rating? follow the next step in pursuit of virtual shoulder straps you wish the Russian army more flintlocks or immediately to sling-spear-arrows wassat
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 26 September 2015 10: 39 New
        +3
        If it comes to light, then you will go to war with a silicon gun. Or immediately hands up the hill?
        "Shilka" is a great thing, and will serve more ...
        1. Slobber
          Slobber 26 September 2015 12: 47 New
          -5
          A "silicon" gun is strong. But Shilka can already be replaced with a 30-mm Tungskaya, more than. So leavened cheers-patriotism does not channel.
          1. Olegovi4
            Olegovi4 26 September 2015 18: 49 New
            0
            Quote: razgildyay
            replace the 30 mm tung

            I remember it is no longer produced.
            1. Slobber
              Slobber 27 September 2015 11: 34 New
              0
              Produce, unlike this Shilka. Still, ZSU would start producing machines with quad Maxims. In general, everyone would have won.
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 26 September 2015 11: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Andy
        the army has more powerful and new tungusks, now shells are coming. WHAT FOR?

        But why do we need weapons at all? .. And why in Russia, on railway siding, are still thousands of canned steam locomotives?
        You do not recall, by the way, how many MINUTES, according to statistics, a tank lives in modern combat?
        And how much industry can BBM produce in case of active hostilities? ..
        "Shilka", and even modernized, can provide serious support during the transitional period of the war. And given how broken western warriors dream of clashing with us, the likelihood of such a development of events remains.
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 27 September 2015 10: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: avia1991
          You do not recall, by the way, how many MINUTES, according to statistics, a tank lives in modern combat?

          by the way, a photograph against the background of the Reichstag stands T-34-76 with the L-11 gun, which they stopped putting on the T-34 from 41 of the year. How long did this T-34 live in the war?
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 27 September 2015 16: 40 New
            0
            Quote: shasherin.pavel
            How long did this T-34 live in the war?

            If you trace the history of this tank, it can easily turn out that it was removed from the southern borders of the USSR in the 45th spring!
            I do not presume to say for sure that not a single T-34 remained by the 45th year, having gone through the entire war "from and to." Perhaps there are such cars. But do not compare that time with today: when using modern weapons in real combat (not in local conflict, this is a separate issue), in 1985 the tank was supposed to survive for 7 minutes. If such a mess happened, the tank commander, who had preserved a working machine in battle, was promised without looking at the Hero of the Soviet Union ..
            Since then, weapons have improved significantly, but "on both sides." I believe that the parameters of virtual statistics remained at about the same level.
      3. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 26 September 2015 18: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Andy
        she is out of date

        with the same success, we can say about the T-72 that it is outdated, we don’t need to upgrade it and we don’t need it in general. BUT! Need and still serve.
  6. exalex2
    exalex2 26 September 2015 08: 02 New
    0
    Interesting information. So many years in service with so many countries. And where do they get the trunks?
    1. Andy
      Andy 26 September 2015 09: 20 New
      0
      and what they’ll do is gather dust somewhere in the hangars of a car. Well they don’t shoot, the barrel doesn’t wear out.
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  7. tommy717
    tommy717 26 September 2015 08: 07 New
    +5
    During the NATO air raid on Libya in 1986, the first Amerikosov plane was shot down precisely by Shilka. And many Shilki were not involved because of the cowardice of the locals, although for them it was an ideal field of activity. After all, most of the anti-aircraft missile divisions were simply disabled due to illiteracy and sloppiness of the local. Only those missions survived that the Libyans did not manage to arrive on time on alarm, or did not turn on the CHR transmitters.
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 26 September 2015 08: 19 New
    +3
    The developments of the Russian gunsmiths are elegant and concise, well done! yes
    And as you look at the “newest” dill developments, you are amazed: - after all, there Were talented people ... maybe they have long been in Russia? If so, it is understandable why such “masterpieces” come out from under dill that cause a smile and bewilderment: - Was ist das ??? laughing
    1. Kadex
      Kadex 26 September 2015 21: 49 New
      +4
      ZSU-23-4 cannot be the development of Russian gunsmiths.
      I do not want to offend you, but why is this so? The topic is purely about technology, and again you climb with your dill. Not tired yet? Or do you miss him in the kitchen?
  9. Bayonet
    Bayonet 26 September 2015 08: 21 New
    +4
    An acquaintance told how “Shilka” worked for militants in the buildings (Grozny). Very powerful and efficient!
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 26 September 2015 08: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: Bayonet
      An acquaintance told how “Shilka” worked for militants in the buildings (Grozny). Very powerful and efficient!

      Yves to Chechnya, and in Afghanistan, "Shilka", the truth is very limited (more often in Afghanistan), used as a kind of "light BMPT".

      Moreover, in the DRA, our units “modernized” the ZSU, dismantling the air defense guidance systems that were not necessary in those conditions, and thereby freeing up space for additional ammunition.
      1. serega73
        serega73 26 September 2015 14: 59 New
        -1
        I have already quoted the words of our beginnings here. headquarters. He’s an “Afghan”, he said that an instant fuse was put on the shell, and then everything went into the trash where the line went. "Spirits" sometimes preferred to sit quietly rather than attack the columns when they noticed a "shilka" accompanied by ..
        1. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 26 September 2015 18: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: serega73
          sit quietly, and not attack the columns when they noticed a "shilka" accompanied.

          or she was number one goal.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 September 2015 10: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Bayonet
      "Shilka" worked on the militants in the buildings

      View reports from Syria last year, there are such shots.
  10. Oman 47
    Oman 47 26 September 2015 08: 23 New
    +9
    And on ground targets how it works - ATAS, an unforgettable sight ...
    I would call this unit "Saw".
    Elevation angles allow the robust processing of targets in mountainous terrain.
    To the south of Panj, the bearded refused to attack our columns, if this apparatus was nearby.
    1. the villain
      the villain 27 September 2015 22: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Oman 47
      I would call this unit "Saw".

      CRASHER hi
  11. nagel_Oz
    nagel_Oz 26 September 2015 08: 30 New
    11
    Well, practice is the criterion of truth. The fact that this device is still in demand and relevant in today's theater of war is evidence of the genius of the Soviet school of military equipment design. It is especially pleasant, despite its venerable age, the possibility of modernization is inherent in it. A deep bow to our Soviet engineers
    1. Evil Elf
      Evil Elf 26 September 2015 09: 15 New
      +5
      Vasily Gryazev Arkady Shipunov is simply a genius. Arms with the brand GSH standard of reliability and efficiency
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      2. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 26 September 2015 10: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Evil Elf
        Vasily Gryazev Arkady Shipunov is simply a genius.

        Alas, the departed ...

        Know more that their business is in good hands, that there are worthy successors ...
      3. Kasym
        Kasym 26 September 2015 21: 14 New
        0
        Gryazev and Shipunov have nothing to do with Shilka, their genius is in Tunguska and Shell. hi
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 27 September 2015 18: 01 New
          0
          And in the AK Navy Cannons, everything is from there and also aviation ones. By the way, to the AK-630 their hand is also visible. They really did a lot.
  12. tyras85
    tyras85 26 September 2015 08: 31 New
    10
    Cool machine. We carefully studied it in the cadet years. Modification is successful! The minimum cost, and the effect has increased many times. Enemies do not understand how RUSSIA "spends" little money on re-equipment. The answer is simple. All equipment had a practical supply of potential. Example. MI-8MT had a practical ceiling of 4500m. (According to the crew's instructions), and we went to 7000m. There, across the river ... It was necessary to survive.
  13. tchoni
    tchoni 26 September 2015 08: 34 New
    +1
    they would have to propel and upgrade the towed option (well, there are all sorts of command-and-control systems, review, aiming systems) and offer an option on a car chassis ... I’m afraid that the armored base will have a small market.
    1. Evil Elf
      Evil Elf 26 September 2015 09: 17 New
      +2
      Something I do not agree with you. RPG-7 is still in demand today and I think it is forever. A simple but extremely effective weapon
  14. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 26 September 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    And if you try without "cheers-patriotism"? Unfortunately, the effectiveness of the Shilka in a modern battle against aviation is not sufficient precisely because of the critical parameter — the insufficient caliber of its guns, and therefore their low reach and low accuracy. Those in the subject know that her competitor in the Yenisei project had a caliber of 37 mm and, accordingly, all the indicators are much higher, however, they did not go into the series for two reasons: as they considered then, the rate of fire (unit of metal per second) is more relevant and. ..shilka had more lobbyists in the upper echelons of power. "Yenisei" safely "poherili", but in vain, oh, as in vain. Now, the modernization of the Shilka has run into an insufficient range and a large dispersion in the last third of this range. Trying to fix this flaw with four “archers” looks frivolous ... I wonder how the creators solved the problem of “flashing” the archer’s homing heads from hot barrels and the self-propelled gun’s firing? as well as from shaking rocket platforms when firing?
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 26 September 2015 09: 20 New
      +4
      And if you try without "cheers-patriotism"?

      And if you try without cheering pessimism and unreasonable irony? "Shilka" can perfectly work on helicopters and UAVs, accompany the columns on the march. And for more serious aviation there are other means of air defense. In addition, as correctly written above, it can be an excellent means of fire support for infantry. This property was repeatedly observed in Soviet times during combat firing, when one ZSU-23-4 was attached to strengthen the MSR in defense. A catchy sight.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 26 September 2015 09: 39 New
        +1
        Firstly, before writing about “working on UAVs”, you need to have a little idea: what are modern UAVs, their types, how they are used, at what range, about their visibility for different detection tools, etc.
        Secondly, where did you see “unjustified irony”? I asked very specific questions that I would like to receive specific answers.
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        2. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 26 September 2015 13: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Firstly, before writing about “working on UAVs”, you need to have a little idea: what are modern UAVs, their types, how they are used, at what range, about their visibility for different detection tools, etc.


          Somewhere, I met a video, like in the night sky, either the militias are trying to shoot a dill drone from the 23-2 memory, or the dill, on the contrary ...

          "Trails" passed by ... And the droner will either light the "light bulb", then it will turn off, and as if mocking it "hangs" ...

          Not the same, ZUShka has a fire density and not the same sights.

          But if you "Shilka", "lupanula", with its 23x4 yes .
        3. dokusib
          dokusib 28 September 2015 09: 02 New
          0
          A video about Shilka’s accuracy can be viewed here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBzRKKEeIfo I would say far from Wow
    2. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 26 September 2015 17: 00 New
      0
      but why bother to upgrade the shilka if there is a tunguska and shell?
    3. sivuch
      sivuch 26 September 2015 23: 34 New
      +1
      Davydov wrote that they tried to restore the Yeniseev’s production, but it was already too late
    4. Parsec
      Parsec 27 September 2015 23: 27 New
      +1
      "Exposure" from the radiation of heated trunks is excluded, the optical coordinator has a very narrow radiation pattern. The contrast of the radiation of the air target, background, and heated air is quite high. Sensitivity, selectivity and radiation pattern of the head make it possible to shoot from a position, for example, on bare ground, in the sand, and the like. Sand and rocky desert at noon at 10 degrees N in the afternoon they light up so that no devices are needed to feel it. The complex shoots, it hits no worse than in the European part.

      The vibrations are damped by the shock-absorbing suspension of the platform before firing and the inclusion of a tight connection before firing.
    5. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 28 September 2015 17: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      insufficient caliber of its guns, and therefore a small reach and low accuracy.

      Right. Now let's add something else to the equation. We will distract the robots from their dreams of robotic war and force them to make a modern target tracking and aiming unit. And now the accuracy has radically increased, which means that the reach has also increased. After all, what is the problem then? Is it that the projectile does not penetrate the air target? No, not that. Only that he does not fall into it.
      Well, then a multi-site high-resolution video camera, a phased array radar and a computer system will make shooting with feedback really possible. That is, we shoot out fifty shells, correct them and ...
      Kirdyk enemy helicopters, as soon as they go on a combat course. Forget about drone UAVs. No "counterguerrilla" aircraft attacking our positions with high accuracy. And snipers, light caponiers, even autonomous warheads will have to be very hot!
      This will be a really terrible war ...
  15. Gray 43
    Gray 43 26 September 2015 09: 01 New
    0
    Good machine !!!! If you apply it, as the designers conceived, it does its job well, of course it is not thin and outdated, when compared with the S-400))))) In modern conflicts, it will find its niche, at least against drones, because it’s expensive to bring them down with missiles will be, and in terms of manpower these installations are applied "with a bang."
    1. Kadex
      Kadex 26 September 2015 22: 03 New
      +1
      And when compared with a slingshot, it will be S-400. laughing
    2. TanakaKenshin
      TanakaKenshin 27 September 2015 02: 46 New
      0
      You would have compared AKM with Submarine Pr.971 "Pike" compared wink
  16. Massik
    Massik 26 September 2015 09: 16 New
    0
    Weak for modernization, but if the shells with remote detonation - yes, modernization. Or replacing the guns with today's relevant 57mm.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 September 2015 12: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Marssik
      Now if the shells with remote detonation

      Such shells, the thing is not cheap. It is terrible to imagine how many kilo rubles per second will fly out at its rate of fire! what
      1. Massik
        Massik 26 September 2015 20: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Such shells, the thing is not cheap. It is terrible to imagine how many kilo rubles per second will fly out at its rate of fire!

        Is it possible that 2-4 of these shells that hit the target are more expensive than 200-300 conventional ones? Eh, the market, the market, or something earlier — no matter how much it costs, then we must do it.
    2. TanakaKenshin
      TanakaKenshin 27 September 2015 02: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Marssik
      Weak for modernization, but if the shells with remote detonation - yes, modernization. Or replacing the guns with today's relevant 57mm.

      It will not turn out to be an upgrade, it will turn out to be a completely new system.
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 September 2015 09: 22 New
    0
    In Chechnya, Shilka shot down a Su-25. During the first war.
  18. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 26 September 2015 09: 37 New
    +2
    If they organize ambushes on them in dangerous directions, then the helicopter will have a khan. Yes, and large drones, too.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 26 September 2015 09: 53 New
      +7
      Firstly, "large drones" are used at altitudes of 6-12 km, where the "Shilka", in general, is not an "irok". Secondly: as soon as "Shilka" opens fire on a small drone from an "ambush", it will immediately be detected by a "large drone" and catch "Helfayer" or something else like that. Unfortunately, many here on the forum do not have a clue about the state and development of the modern "battlefield" and think in terms of "Chechnya" and "Afghanistan."
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 September 2015 12: 32 New
        -4
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        think in terms of "Chechnya" and "Afghanistan."

        Even more, in categories of the Civil War - Checkers bald and urya! smile
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 27 September 2015 13: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          Checkers bald and Urya!

          Thank you for your appreciation - made sure that he is right! hi
  19. Appraiser
    Appraiser 26 September 2015 09: 49 New
    +2
    The upgrade of the ZSU 23-4M4 product is a sure "Solomon solution" since the performance characteristics of this sample fully meet the modern tasks of air defense. Yes, and it should be borne in mind that "Shilka" was supplied to many countries, you can make good money on this, the main thing is to correctly offer the goods. soldier
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 September 2015 12: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Appraiser
      The performance characteristics of this model are fully consistent with the modern tasks of air defense.

      It is possible, but nevertheless this machine deserved the majority of laudations precisely when working on ground targets.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 27 September 2015 11: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        It is possible, but nevertheless this machine deserved the majority of laudations precisely when working on ground targets.

        Come on, minus on - the warriors are sofa! Shilka live and not seen laughing
    2. Parsec
      Parsec 27 September 2015 22: 58 New
      0
      It does not meet the ZSU-23-4, even the M4, to the modern tasks of air defense, since does not provide for the defeat of most air attack weapons to the point of use of weapons.
      1. SSeT
        SSeT 29 September 2015 00: 06 New
        0
        There, the SLA must first be improved. Very decent internal volumes, clogged with lamp boxes, somehow depressing very ...
        1. SSeT
          SSeT 29 September 2015 00: 22 New
          0
          There a box of mini-ITX for 2-3 kilos will replace all this junk with 600 kilos with lamps easily. It’s crucial to decide, not to hang needles with an option
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 29 September 2015 01: 36 New
            0
            Interesting idea. It is said that the installation of the destruction of air targets BEFORE the line of their weaponry does not provide. In response - you need to improve the OMS. Yes, the whole RPK-2 is a fire control system. The volumes are depressing ... well, put mini-ITX instead of the PSA, (by the way, this box needs a temperature control system that will provide 15 degrees C in the compartment with this ITX in two minutes at -40 and at +50 C in the compartment, here at Peltier do not get out), and vibration in the ranges from units of Hz to ultrasonic need to be extinguished; but the generation and processing of radio signals will remain the same. Or change the whole location, and hang the ADC-DAC, all the angular position sensors - there are dozens of them. And with the released volumes, the firing range will remain the same, which means see to the line of use of weapons It’s easier to make a new complex, deciding radically. Done - Tunguska.
  20. da Vinci
    da Vinci 26 September 2015 10: 06 New
    -1
    It’s a pity you can’t hang armor - without it, using it on the battlefield for ground targets is very problematic.
  21. drags33
    drags33 26 September 2015 10: 31 New
    0
    Good machine !!! Itself does not fly and does not give to others ...
  22. vnord
    vnord 26 September 2015 10: 36 New
    +2
    Well, that you have run into modernization is a budget modernization. If you collect all the changes proposed on the forum, then from Shilka one building will remain and this will be a completely new installation.
  23. Averias
    Averias 26 September 2015 12: 26 New
    +1
    Here it is, in all its glory (RAE 2015).
  24. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 26 September 2015 12: 52 New
    -2
    appearing Shilka became a nightmare for NATO pilots - they themselves recognized this. By upgrading we get a machine that will still serve. Glory to the Soviet designers!
  25. Averias
    Averias 26 September 2015 12: 53 New
    +3
    A bit of video from RAE-2015, a slice, "Shilka" works and then TOS-1A "Pinocchio". At the end of "Shilka" and "Tunguska" on the observation deck. Sorry for the quality during the shooting, filmed with a phone, with 8x digital zoom.
    1. Averias
      Averias 26 September 2015 13: 20 New
      +3
      Oh, lied, "Tunguska" works at the training ground.
  26. Lecha57
    Lecha57 26 September 2015 13: 42 New
    -1
    As far as I know, the "Shilka" is air defense, albeit outdated, but very effective. In terms of ground targets, it is also beautiful, but there is no need to stop there. I hope our engineers will bring it to perfection, not reachable to others!
  27. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 26 September 2015 13: 45 New
    +2
    Something in Ukraine they are not visible. Maybe missed. Or managed to sell everything.
    And a friend who served on it told me about the combat work in Afghanistan: the duvals were blown away at a time.
    1. Webcelerator
      Webcelerator 26 September 2015 17: 23 New
      +2
      That is why Urkainu was not accepted into NATO.
      Imagine a Ukrainian warrant officer in a NATO storage warehouse.
      This is Klondike!
  28. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 26 September 2015 14: 36 New
    0
    This is a club. Simple, reliable, deadly. And it costs only a penny.
  29. Webcelerator
    Webcelerator 26 September 2015 17: 21 New
    +3
    "ZSU can fight low-flying aircraft, including hovering," hovering aircraft ......
    What did the author smoke?
    Well, there Cobra Pugacheva ....
    But so that low-flying aircraft crashed .....
    1. TanakaKenshin
      TanakaKenshin 28 September 2015 00: 03 New
      0
      Well, technically, Harrier can hang, for example ...
  30. Kadex
    Kadex 26 September 2015 21: 25 New
    +1
    Shilka is undoubtedly a thing. During the Arab-Israeli war, it covered the lower echelon, where air defense systems were less effective, forcing flyers to rise higher. But today, a specific thing, requiring non-standard solutions. I doubt that the developers planned to clear the duvalls with it or to "cut" the infantry. Talk about how the tank is stalling, and Shilka knocks him off the entire "outfit", and completely amused. Although, in practice, often the available equipment is used for other purposes, for example, ZU-23, as an “antisniper”. Or, somehow, in my childhood I read how a Soviet pilot, having spent ammunition, shoots a pistol, killing the Messerschmitt pilot, and he, while falling, also touches his bomber. laughing Bottom line, one shot - two downed enemy aircraft. It may be a fairy tale, but it struck my memory.
  31. Tatarname
    Tatarname 26 September 2015 21: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Hubun
    Shilka is definitely a thing !!! Somewhere I heard that a tank can stop in the forehead. Of course, it won’t take the armor, but the tank is rowing on the spot. But it’s a terrible thing against manpower in a clean field. Yes, and against aviation, it seems to me, pretty relevant. Especially in modernized versions

    Tank "Shilka" will not stop. But completely demolishes all the dynamic protection, attachments, surveillance devices. Unless, of course, he succeeds and gets a shell from the tank.
  32. Old saam
    Old saam 26 September 2015 22: 48 New
    0
    But we don’t do bad weapons. Russia's defense industry is the best in the world!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 27 September 2015 12: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Old Saam
      Russia's defense industry is the best in the world!

      Why URA did not write?
  33. matwey
    matwey 27 September 2015 10: 35 New
    0
    Yes, Shilka, that is, as her perfume was called. Blackpox is a good car, but the disadvantage is that AK flashes it, so they removed the radar from it in Afghanistan and put sandbags inside, We went to Tambov for exercises, shot at planes but in the mirror in the interval 2-3 minutes of time between goals and if a well-trained crew, the defeat was 100%, and I won’t describe the details about the tanks, maybe cut in half, She’s such a favorite Shilka good
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 27 September 2015 12: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: matwey
      maybe cut in half,

      Tank ???????? wassat
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 12: 50 New
      0
      Quote: matwey
      the disadvantage is that AK flashes it

      Yah? So right, "flashing"? belay

      Quote: matwey
      therefore, in Afghanistan, and removed her radar

      They wrote here already: radars were removed, since the enemy had no aircraft

      Quote: matwey
      and sandbags were laid inside

      Cool laughing

      Quote: matwey
      We went to Tambov for exercises, shot

      What do you need to pull for Shilka to shoot? wink

      Quote: matwey
      I won’t describe the details of tanks, maybe cut it in half

      Mdya .. clinic .. minus
  34. Webcelerator
    Webcelerator 27 September 2015 12: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: sabakina
    then fight with a silicon gun

    Kremniev? Carbonium or Lumine!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 27 September 2015 12: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Webcelerator
      Kremniev? Carbonium or Lumine!

      Better - by the Chugunievs! laughing
      1. Webcelerator
        Webcelerator 27 September 2015 14: 45 New
        0
        Cast iron - current butt.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 13: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Webcelerator
      Quote: sabakina
      then fight with a silicon gun
      Kremniev? Carbonium or Lumine!

      Educated people .. and flint is confused with silicon .. sad

      Although, if rusty on thyristors, for example .. repeat
      1. Webcelerator
        Webcelerator 28 September 2015 12: 54 New
        0
        You don’t know the attached equipment, you don’t know ...
        Ruggio - on the belt.
        And the radio is on the tank.
        And look do not confuse!
        And Shilka - as the experts described here - the tank cuts in two, this is a turn!

        Do you know the joke "From the same material"?
  35. Webcelerator
    Webcelerator 27 September 2015 14: 43 New
    0
    Quote: matwey
    , and about the tanks I won’t describe the details, maybe cut in half,

    You pushed it hard! If only the PT-76 ....
  36. aleksandr1949
    aleksandr1949 27 September 2015 15: 14 New
    +1
    I read a book about military operations in Chechnya. The author claims that Shilka was used against snipers hiding in houses in Grozny. They beat on the foundations of houses and the houses scattered, burying all the snipers, and grenade launchers and machine gunners with them under the rubble. After all, Chechens competently used the three fighters, consisting of a sniper, machine gunner and grenade launcher. This was known by General Rokhlin. He did not allow the columns of federal troops to advance along Grozny until they cleaned everything around. So he decided the fate of Grozny. Unlike those idiots who rode without trimming to Minutka Square and the railway station and ruined the unfortunate young boys in bundles.
  37. 2nd 12th
    2nd 12th 27 September 2015 17: 54 New
    0
    Shilka would be adapted to work on small and medium UAVs. A radar to take them and a fuse for shells with a gap at a distance. (Bushmeister already seems to have such) It would be the most! Cheap and efficient.
  38. anshe1764
    anshe1764 27 September 2015 22: 50 New
    0
    Quote: NOMADE
    Newton is not mine, but the great scholarly heritage of mankind. On his laws of conservation of energy, all modern physics (except quantum ...) is built, and as a result, all industry, mechanics and mechanisms.

    you yourself correctly answered that the bullet accelerates in the barrel and the maximum speed (and as a consequence the energy E = m * s2) at the cut of the barrel, and so at this moment there is a reaction, in this case, recoil.
    Further, in flight, the speed and, as a result, the energy of the bullet / projectile falls (and is not taken from nowhere)))

    And to all the minusers, I recommend re-studying the school program in physics (like there used to be a 5-7 grade program)), it’s not holy to believe Hollywood films that when a bullet hits, a person is thrown back by 2 meters))))

    How long have you shot ??? It seems NEVER !!!
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  40. Wolka
    Wolka 28 September 2015 04: 57 New
    0
    a good thing, and with a competent approach, Shilka can also be used as fire support for infantry during the sweeping of city blocks ...
  41. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 28 September 2015 07: 05 New
    0
    the question is who mined me to the comments stick ????? trolls raged ????? took for a living ???? and already Admins deal with trollism on the site - I beg you - they have a place on the Censor - not here!
  42. Webcelerator
    Webcelerator 28 September 2015 07: 52 New
    0
    Quote: NOMADE
    casts a person 2 meters

    As if there is an opinion, and not only mine, that when a 12.7 or 14.5 caliber bullet hits, it still drops.
    As a rule - also abroad of life.
  43. Williamkslaksgslhfs
    Williamkslaksgslhfs 28 September 2015 07: 57 New
    0
    # 20715 # 179873 # 19879
    <p> About how to swallow tequila, represent in Mexico. They cherish the tradition of its use, which they do not change for long years. Trust is recommended only to the drink that says “100% agave”. </p>
    <p> For those who want to evaluate this drink, Mexican residents recommended first to try it, and only then make the protocol about which to smell numerous - lick salt, drink a glass of tequila, have a bite of lime. The tradition of using tequila with salt so that lime has been cramped for over 70 years. But from the very beginning she was found, as far as a way to fight the epidemic of the “Spanish woman”, which was in Mexico. </p>

    <p> The very first test of takila leaves in the mouth a sensation of the real taste of the drink, which will remain in the mouth longer than when you initially try the salt on the tongue. </p>
    <p> Some craftsmen advise before eating tequila to eat a pod of chili pepper. For many beginners, such experiments can be very difficult. </p>
    <p> There are no excellent requirements for the dishes from which tequila is really slurped. For the purpose of individual, it is convenient to eat from glasses. Beauty lovers correspond to long tight glasses. They are called caballito, which means "tiny bityuk" in translation. These glasses have a couple of ways, different sizes and shapes. </p>
    <p> Usually, do-it-yourself drinks do not add anything extra (lemon, ice). The right lovers of this drink drink tequila in small sips, enjoying its intense relish of agave. </p>
    <p> As alcohol is so plentiful, the smell in tequila will open during this time, as soon as it becomes a constant home temperature. Cooling has the power to hide it. However, this is not prohibited. </p>
    <p> There is an increased ritual of drinking tequila with tonic. Pre-tequila is poured, and there is a tonic, they are drunk spicy and even shaken in one gulp. For them, a similar image is much better to use glasses. </p>
    <p> In Mexico, partial, drinking a glass of tequila, prefer not to bite it with lime, but drink it with a non-alcoholic drink - sangrita, which is most pleasant due to the presence of spices inside it. And also, it has tomato so orange juices. </p>
    <p> There are many adherents who mix tequila with tonic. The glass is closed with a handle, quickly shakes with a blow to the table and is drunk in one gulp. </p>
  44. sledge
    sledge 28 September 2015 09: 54 New
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    Super car!
  45. AAV
    AAV 28 September 2015 10: 36 New
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    Quote: NOMADE
    Newton is not mine, but the great scholarly heritage of mankind. On his laws of conservation of energy, all modern physics (except quantum ...) is built, and as a result, all industry, mechanics and mechanisms.

    you yourself correctly answered that the bullet accelerates in the barrel and the maximum speed (and as a consequence the energy E = m * s2) at the cut of the barrel, and so at this moment there is a reaction, in this case, recoil.
    Further, in flight, the speed and, as a result, the energy of the bullet / projectile falls (and is not taken from nowhere)))

    And to all the minusers, I recommend re-studying the school program in physics (like there used to be a 5-7 grade program)), it’s not holy to believe Hollywood films that when a bullet hits, a person is thrown back by 2 meters))))



    Sorry, but you gave the wrong formula. E = m * s2 eno is not Newton but Einstein. Obviously you wanted to give the formula for kinetic energy (m * V ^ 2) / 2
  46. Webcelerator
    Webcelerator 28 September 2015 10: 52 New
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    Quote: NOMADE
    And to all the minusers, I recommend re-studying the school program in physics (like there used to be a 5-7 grade program)), it’s not holy to believe Hollywood films that when a bullet hits, a person is thrown back by 2 meters))))

    And here in more detail.
    What happens to a fighter when a 12.7 or 14.5 bullet flies into him?
    From PTRD for example, Korda, DShK or KPVT?
    You say that nothing dangerous, I understand you correctly?
  47. okroshka79
    okroshka79 28 September 2015 11: 17 New
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    Dear alex86! In fact, from the theory of probability it will be correct W = 1 - (1 - 0,5) x (1 - 0,5) = 0,75. Although, in this case (only at 0,5 as a special case) the final result coincides.
  48. Webcelerator
    Webcelerator 28 September 2015 11: 18 New
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    Quote: TanakaKenshin
    Well, technically, Harrier can hang, for example ...

    Rare Harrier will fly to the middle of the Day ....
    Ugh. To places where Shilka may be.
    She will tear it on the British flag, sorry for my English ...
  49. Webcelerator
    Webcelerator 28 September 2015 11: 27 New
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    By the way, offhand a couple more application options.
    From cruise missiles, the Tomahawks are still not so inconspicuous and fast, but they fly low - to chop the very thing.
    Or in the mode of radio silence and good camouflage on the ground - ambushes on aircraft with external target designation at the beginning. Or helicopters, or rather.
    Apaches are going on the smallest, the outer radar has detected them, and it has been given to whom to meet.
    Although Apache is armored, it’s not omnipotent. And the Arrow to his Bochin will not hurt so much.
    Yes, and in the desert for 5 km, to drive Toyota Mujahideen without admitting to the guarded object is a nice thing.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 28 September 2015 11: 38 New
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      What are you going to dragon? For ground targets 1,5 km.

      5 km is the far boundary of the zone of destruction of the Needle, which does not work on ground targets.
  50. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 28 September 2015 12: 01 New
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    Something strongly I doubt that someone flies low in Syria. Secondly, there are not so many radars. In short it is doubtful. I would also understand fly there helicopters. And so, from 10 meters they hit you, and that’s it. And then below is full of idiots with MANPADS.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 28 September 2015 13: 02 New
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      Quote: Fibrizio
      And so, from 10 meters they hit you, and that’s it.


      What did you enter and where did you get from 10 m?