In the passports of Lithuanian citizens born before the 1990 year, "place of birth - USSR" is changed to "place of birth - Lithuania"

European officials responded to the call of Lithuania regarding the need for issuing passports, which will not be marked "place of birth - the USSR." Reports the information portal about it Delphi with reference to the Lithuanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The report says that the Lithuanian Embassy in Belgium appealed to the National Registry Service for the revision of documentation relating to Lithuanian citizens born in the Soviet Union. Now in the passports of Lithuanians who were born before the collapse of the USSR, instead of the entry “place of birth - the USSR”, the entry “Birthplace - Lithuania” will “flaunt”.

Apparently, neither Vilnius nor Brussels is embarrassed by the fact that from 1940 to 1990 the year of such a state as Lithuania did not exist. De jure, it did not exist until the 1991 year - until the collapse of the USSR. And the refusal to write in the passport of the name of the state in which that or a resident of Lithuania was born, is more like not a deliberate, well-considered legal step, but a new batch of Baltic obscurantism.

Lawyer Commentary (Russia):
If the passport of the Lithuanian citizen does not indicate the real state in which he was born, then from a legal point of view such document cannot be an identity document. The fact is that there was no independent Lithuanian state up to the 90 year, which means that the document by definition does not reflect the usefulness of standard information about its owner. If in the EU such a document is recognized, it means that Brussels backdating was going to refuse to recognize the Soviet Union in its borders. This is more than a strange precedent that can lead to an avalanche-like chain of similar negatives with respect to a number of other states. For example, residents of the Ukrainian city of Lvov can apply for recognition that their place of birth is Poland, since Lviv was formerly Polish territory.

Comments

[Vladimirets]

I propose to put the place of birth - Mars.

[maxiban]

Yes, they went on .. with their passports. Those who wanted to get a Russian passport have long received it.

[Alexey Boukin]

So they will become, "not remembering kinship." And this means something in life ...
It’s not for nothing that they say: “don’t spit in the well - it’s useful to drink water”.

[Dembel77]

Small Baltic states are simply obliged to have a patron in the face of a powerful state (such are the realities of today). Well, since the USSR was over, then the EU is the most for the Baltic states. But the passports have nothing to do with it, the main thing is to disown Russia (the USSR), friendship with her in the European Union is not welcome.

[ZU-23]

By and large, they themselves have long been unaware of who they are and what they are.

[crazyrom]

Morons, b * i

[Enot-poloskun]

I get out of wide leg
The fact that the Lithuanians are very confused ....

[lelikas]

Quote: Enot-poloskun

The fact that Lithuanians are very confused ...

There was a scandal just recently that a man was not allowed into the EU who had the birthplace of Crimea Russia in his passport - DEBILS - they want to make all passports born in the USSR invalid ??????

[hedgehog in the fog]

Then I was born in the provincial city of Grodno, the Russian Empire, and that I also have the right to remember history

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Dembel 77

Well, since the USSR was over, then the EU is the most for the Baltic states. But the passports have nothing to do with it, the main thing is to disown Russia (the USSR), friendship with her in the European Union is not welcome.

Yes, not their EU patron, but Washington. Only the American children themselves cannot understand their history, therefore they prefer not to understand, but to say that in America everything is the most nishtyak.

In the mid-90s, Americans and Austrians met in our business center. Well, the Americans let their heels knock on their chests, we, America, are the very best ... The Austrians listened politely, and then one said: "When your America was discovered, we began to build public toilets."

Balts reach for America - it’s like the blind being the same blind, only he is still deaf and legless ...

[dr.Bo]

Very sad! People are robbed of their past.
Where are the human rights defenders ?? Why not hear the "screams" about violations!

[lukke]

mashing and rewriting the story goes even in this case, it is certainly regrettable - this is their current program and choice. But we have something similar in Russia, I think it’s more because of sloppiness, people in the passport who were born in the USSR, for example, in the Kazakh SSR, record that Kazakhstan was the birthplace, although for example in the 70s there was no such country either. Thank God that even the cities write with the old names.

[Tatyana]

maxiban

Yes, they went on .. with their passports. Those who wanted to get a Russian passport have long received it.

It seems that Lithuanian authorities are afraid, as if WHITE citizensborn in the USSR before the 1990 year and living in Lithuania, with an influx of black-skinned refugees from Africa to Lithuania, would not have fled from Lithuania to Russia in the FIRST line!
They make for them a kind of "protective" legal CORDON.

[Shiva83483]

There is another suggestion, do not let such a passport cross the border, so howling it beats .....

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Shiva83483

There is another suggestion, do not let such a passport cross the border, so howling it beats .....

Imagine, if not allowed to Russia. all. who has written in his passport that he was born in Ukraine, Moldova, or Uzbekistan before the 90 year? Migrant workers will return home and arrange a revolution in each country that the passports on the first page say that Our Homeland - USSR.

[The boat]

Quote: Vladimirets

I propose to put the place of birth - Mars.

Haha a chocolate bar cannot be a birthplace. Only nationality. Any Lithuanian knows this.

[demon1978]

Quote: Vladimirets

I propose to put the place of birth - Mars.

There is, perhaps, a more pragmatic option. Livia to Austria, Iraq to France, Syria to Holland .... etc.
Che people running back and forth ??? !!! Let them pay benefits to the whole country at the place of residence, they may increase their minds before going into foreign cultures and countries, at least they will think a bit.

[marlin1203]

Everything in Lithuania is wonderful. A powerful, flourishing, wealthy state with advanced science and industry and a strong army it remains only to correct passports and in general there will be an ideal!

[twincam]

ha ha ha)))) it is better to write the place of birth - "maternity hospital"))))

[2С5]

... found in cabbage, brought by some slow-flying bird and typical ... they don’t care what to write there, you can even draw blacken, the headquarters was prettier ...

[2С5]

... better than Snickers of the Mendemian galaxy

[prosto_rgb]

As they say - ahmed bear stunned news.
In our passports, the place of birth is also recorded in the Republic of Belarus, even before, even after 1990. And for a long time.

[Homo]

Quote: Vladimirets

I propose to put the place of birth - Mars.

And also nationality to all write "Lithuanian" and gender "it"!

[siberalt]

The Lithuanians who received such a passport can begin many legal troubles. This applies to the establishment of kinship, other legal facts, inheritance and real estate transactions. It is likely that this will respond when crossing the border with Russia and other states.

[Technologist]

It’s impossible, Mars is the theme of Zhanna Aguzarova))
In general, let them fix it, dig ditches, build fences, etc., can quickly go bankrupt.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Vladimirets

I propose to put the place of birth - Mars.

Yes, happy !!! Let Venus or Mercury knocked. Mars should not be touched.

[Scraptor]

... simply recognize such passports as invalid and their owners as passportless.

[pirate]

Yes, for God's sake. They don’t want to remember where their difficulties were born. They will also conquer, bite their elbows (Europe will cease to be needed) - they will immediately vocalize everything, we are brothers, we are from the USSR. It’s funny. Clowns.

[Rader]

Quote: pirate

Yes, for God's sake. They don’t want to remember where their difficulties were born. They will also conquer, bite their elbows (Europe will cease to be needed) - they will immediately vocalize everything, we are brothers, we are from the USSR. It’s funny. Clowns.

Right things say Eugene. If they want to distance themselves from the Soviet heritage, well, their right. But the reaction of Brussels pleased! Why try to solve the refugee problem, cares about the political crisis within the EU, etc. We’d better let them go over history and their meanings, let’s say that Lithuania was supposed to be, and the USSR, as it were, weren’t ...

[Major Yurik]

Everything from the thick-handed distance is coming! She went, in her biography, in the column the place of work of her father, instead of the Vertuhai position, she wrote patriotically, an employee of the private security company!

[APASUS]

Quote: pirate

Yes, for God's sake. Do not want to remember where they were born - their difficulties

The next country to record the construction of the Egyptian pyramids

[sv68]

rewrite history to the point that they begin to indicate in the passports the cave from which the Lithuanian tribe appeared in this world.

[Penetrator]

They did not crawl out of the cave - they were found by the tail of a pig. Kiaulių šūdas - place of birth, in short ...

[Barakuda]

Damn, Khokhlostan is "lagging behind." In my Ukrainian passport, the column "place of birth" is simply - Tyumen! SO THAT IS ALL.. And no country, a specialist keep photocopies of the past. And what if there are a lot of Tyumen in the World?
But I have a different problem - the name of my father and me, and my mother were transferred to Khokhlostanovsky different passportists. Now there are so many problems

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Barracuda

In my Ukrainian passport, the column "place of birth" is simply - G. Tyumen! And USE .. And no country, I keep the photocopies of the past.

Click, it will be in the passport of Tyumen, Ukraine.

[Barakuda]

What ? Spit and knock on wood ..

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Barracuda

What ? Spit and knock on wood ..

So from the same tilka in the passport.

[Barakuda]

By the way, the case was the city of Olevsk, Zhytomyr region. - the backyard of "civilization". We came to see a friend there, eventually the local mentura took us away.
I said that Tyumen is in Kazakhstan, and borders on Afghanistan. WANT BLOOD REVENGE!
Estimate, let go.

[Altona]

Quote: Barracuda

I said that Tyumen is in Kazakhstan, and borders on Afghanistan. WANT BLOOD REVENGE!
Estimate, let go.

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Cops probably do not know that in the Tyumen region and in Khanty-Mansi Ukrainians have been practicing for a long time, and this district is called Khokhlo-Mansi ...)))

[veksha50]

Quote: Vladimirets

Click, it will be in the passport of Tyumen, Ukraine

Ugh on you !!! They already consider the Kuban, Terek and Rostov region their own ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Vladimirets

Click, it will be in the passport of Tyumen, Ukraine.

Fuck - to tears !!!!

[corn]

Quote: Barracuda

In my Ukrainian passport

My Russian passport says "Olovyaninsky" instead of "Olovyaninsky" and nothing, for more than 25 years I have been living with him and no one notices.

[Barakuda]

When notarial actions begin - grief. You are not the son of your father and mother, and it’s not You who is registered in the apartment .. And the testament to Pah, knock on wood. Correct, before it's too late, my advice.

[corn]

Quote: Barracuda

And a testament to Ugh,

I shared everything between the children, something on my wife. Which one came into this world (naked), this one will leave. For 25 years he has bent. In 2003, he went to Ukraine with a Soviet passport on vacation and ... Both my wife and I had to urgently change to Russian. It’s good that to the border of 70 km and good friends.

[Tra-ta-ta]

..and some actually have it written: A stud farm named after Budenny ..!

[Rader]

I’ll take a look, scary people gathered here: the Tyumen Kazakh-Afghan man living in Ukraine; people born at stud farms ... some kind of horror !!!

[family tree]

I have these passports, there were about five, or four , well, it doesn’t matter, so in all the specific settlement is indicated, with reference to the district, region and country five, I still forgot my passport

Quote: Barracuda

I said that Tyumen is in Kazakhstan, and borders on Afghanistan. WANT BLOOD REVENGE!

Kill, damn it!

[maxim1987]

I received a passport in 2003. The place of birth was simply indicated Sevastopol without Ukraine. Passportists sensed7

[family tree]

Quote: maximNNX

Passportists sensed7

Yes, not that That’s why the binding wrote that the office that issued the passport indicates its affiliation, for example, in the last resort, the Department of the Federal Migration Service of Russia.
So the Lithuanians, not the "birthplace of the USSR", will have to change, but FIG knows what

[lelikas]

Quote: maximNNX

I received a passport in 2003. The place of birth was simply indicated Sevastopol without Ukraine. Passportists sensed7

The passport of the Russian Federation also simply contains Leningrad, and the passport - Leningrad and the country of the USSR - which is extremely happy, my daughter trolls - she has St. Petersburg and Russia - watch and learn what documents you need to have.

[beerdoc]

Morons, bl ...

[vsoltan]

Not stupid people ... flawed and notorious ... oh, how you want to be gay ... pah, sick ...

[figwam]

The USSR is alive! time to fight with him!

[Rader]

Quote: figvam

The USSR is alive! time to fight with him!

The empire is alive while its last soldier is alive! :)

[Oman 47]

The whole world is crazy ...

[Million]

There was no such state: Lithuania, until 1990.

[Jan Ivanov]

Moreover, never at all. And it was only thanks to Russia / Soviet Union that these greaves gained "independence". In quotation marks, because a "state" of 2 million people cannot be independent. The question is, under whom it will lie. Self-reliance is not only about living on your own, it is about making decisions, influencing something.
Two million. The whole Baltic together (all three) is half of Moscow, 6,5 million.
And these Drosophila pose as subjects. Rzhaka.

[veksha50]

Quote: Yan Ivanov

Moreover, never at all. And it was only thanks to Russia / Soviet Union that these greaves gained "independence".

Nuuu, history and people don’t need to be humiliated like that ... There was a time when the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was there, there were times when they helped each other, and not only quarreled ...

Humiliating others - you humiliate yourself involuntarily ...

So - let them write in their passports what they need ...

It hurt me that they write "born in the USSR", but for some reason I don't have such a record ...

[Jan Ivanov]

Oh yes. I forgot about the Polish-Lithuanian. Principality. And what country is this? Lithuania or Poland? Or Courland? Was the state? Can the Golden Horde be considered a state? And within what boundaries?
The Principality is not a state as such, it is the territory owned by the prince.

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

And the total area of ​​the "Baltic countries" and the size of their population are comparable to these data for Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

[Penetrator]

Quote: Million

There was no such state: Lithuania, until 1990.

That post-revolutionary-pre-war Lithuania is a country-limitroph, that is the present ... However, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania existed until the end of the 18th century, a fairly serious state. Only from the Lithuanians in that principality is one name. But for some reason they consider themselves his heirs, although the same Belarusians have more rights to this historical heritage than wild zhemites and auxites.

[Jan Ivanov]

I completely agree with you.

[ia-ai00]

For all my life, do not scrape in my memory and a hundredth of a share insanity from state "husbands", how much has been poured on the heads of people over the past year and a half from the territories located to the west of Russia ...
Only one thing comes to mind - when the cat ...

[Tor5]

Yes, insanity is still getting stronger, alas.

[Patriot.ru.]

I do not have the words of the USSR in my passport. Although I received it in 2007, there is the Russian Federation.

[corn]

If you were born in 1993, then, most likely, everything is correct, there is no country of birth in my passport and in my wife's passport. On the internet, I could not find it necessary or not to write the country of birth in a civil passport. In many countries there is no concept of "general civil" and "foreign" passport, if the passport, then one made according to world standards.
We have historically developed that there is a passport for internal and external consumption, by the way, like the right to drive a vehicle.

[corn]

I have to make some explanations: a general passport means a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation, and a foreign passport means a passport.

[lelikas]

In a foreign country, the city and country of birth are indicated, in the usual one, there is no country.

[tissot72]

Maybe a little off topic, but what terrible women they have !!!!!!!!!
And this mogherini, or whatever it is, is terrible as a mortal sin, imagine how the rest (ordinary Europeans) look and smell if the foreign minister never washes his head ???
Maybe an epidemic of pederasty went from here to Europe, passive pederasts in Geyrop look much better than this groomed washcloth ???

[Rurikovich]

No, well, in the red districts of Amsterdam, you probably only hear the familiar "tse", therefore it is quite acceptable to roam around brothels and leave your money in pleasures with very attractive ladies "from Ternopol" or "Lviv". Because the local "non-format" is not very conducive to carnal pleasures, and not everyone has money for pleasant things, and therefore homosyatina flourishes

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

And they in the Middle Ages under the guise of witches burned all the beautiful women! That degenerated and mind and face!

[NKV]

They have nothing to do there, or what? As if then again I did not have to change my passport))

[Nyrobsky]

Every dope has its own "anti-chip".
Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. All debts that hung on the USSR were paid by Russia for all republics, including Lithuania. If the EU rejects the fact of Lithuania’s presence in the USSR, then it may be necessary to raise a question for Lithuania to repay the debt paid for it.
It is necessary for international lawyers to venture this topic.

[PPD]

After the Lithuanian hussar battalion, it is no longer surprising!
Messages from these eccentrics come such that you doubt at all somewhere on the Military Review or the KVN you are watching Zadornov.

[Rurikovich]

It is necessary to conduct a study mmmm .... representatives of this people (preferably from the government). Suddenly, the brains are not in the head, but in what they are sitting on ?! Then many actions will become clear ...
Personally, my opinion

[Barakuda]

Why do they need research? An official on Merce, a son on a BMW - in a jail. Well, there a couple of flights to the Maldives and Thailand can not be considered, especially due to the local - regional, regional budget? . I am not bloodthirsty, and a resident of another country.
Russians pancake, what are you thinking? Or Exile local government? Do you have Cho Men there? And IL guns at least rusted? Well, grandchildren-sons have cell phones take .. They will understand if they wish.

[Saburo]

My sister was born in 88, now I asked her for a passport for the sake of interest, it is written that she was born in the village. Such and such, Ashgabat region, Ashgabat region. There is not a word about the USSR or the Turkmen SSR.

[Mixweb]

For some reason, I immediately remembered Gazmanov's song "I was born in the Soviet Union"

[4ekist]

Do not let la ... owls to Russia.

[arrows]

Well, yes, and in the column mother-ass.

[lewerlin53rus]

Our government officials must refuse to accept such passports when issuing visas, etc.

[16112014nk]

In the Baltic states, there is a wait for a kick under .opu because of the constant traction. Due to the lack of knowledge of when they will receive it — and they will receive it — they are blowing away from them in horror, they already have poor control over their actions.

[demo]

Do not forget to indicate in the birth certificate not the names of the father and mother, but Parent 1 and Parent 2.

[Andre]

I have recorded Lithuania. I received my passport in 2001.

[34 region]

An interesting scenario is pecking. The USSR was not. Maybe they immediately write-born in the EU? And what should refugees who come to Europe write to? After all, their countries are not there either. Suppose a refugee from Libya is settled in Lithuania. What birthplace will he write? Libya, the European Union, Lithuania?

[34 region]

Although I do not have in my passport, the place of birth of the USSR. This is true. In pursuit.

[akm8226]

Are we not one scepter?)))

[jaroff]

And in our general passports there are no records about birth in the USSR. The settlement, region (region), region and the former Union Republic (if not born in the RSFSR) is indicated. Another thing is in the foreign passport, the settlement, region (region, former Union Republic (if not born in the RSFSR) and through the fraction is indicated USSR.

[Reserve buildbat]

Well, let them write as they want. Just then let Russia not accept as an identity card a piece of paper with the inscription "born in a non-existent state" and does not let people of mythical states enter its territory.

[veksha50]

"European officials have responded to the call of Lithuania regarding the need to issue passports, which will not be marked"place of birth - USSR"" ...

Hm ... I guess I’m slow-witted ... I don’t understand ... And why my passport does NOT say "Born in the USSR", but it says "Citizen of the Russian Federation" ... and the place of birth is the city and the region ... they say so directly: "Born in the USSR" ???

I would like for me to have this in my passport: Citizen of the Russian Federation, born in the USSR ...

[Russia]

Destroy their history. And if there is no history, there is no people. Now they will rewrite the Soviet period, then they will not like some other period, then the overseas "owner" will order something else to be corrected. The territory of tolerasts will remain without clan and tribe.
Our border guards on a full basis may not allow the Baltic states with such passports into Russia on the basis of inaccurate information specified in the documents.

[arrows]

When the president of the country is IT, then it is not surprising.

[lockout]

A difficult case .. for me, this means that they can never build a normal state, since they cannot even recognize their closest history. So it will be American bedding or again as part of Russia.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

... fag sir

[narval20]

Entry in the passport does not correspond to reality !?
One solution is to PRESS while crossing the state / customs border.

[afrikanez]

It seems that after training in Western technologies, they lost competent lawyers. Well, after all, it is clear that crap, not even with an armed gaze.

[KRIG55]

It remains to be glad for - just change passports. And if they got a tattoo in the USSR, "born in the USSR"? Everyone would have to burn it out, and this is more painful.

[novel68rus]

the main thing in spite of Russia to do they don’t even spare money on this .. but essentially nothing changes .. then everyone lived together as one family ..

[Wils]

why should it make Russia angry? let them write what they want.

[Combitor]

Following the Lithuanian logic and based on the fact that before half-Sakhalin belonged to Japan, am I Japanese?

[Jan Ivanov]

I was also Japanese for 8 years then)

[Abbra]

Damn ... Obama was born, it turns out in Africa ... But the United States does not exist ...

[Wils]

And in Ukrainian passports never wrote the birthplace of the USSR or even the Ukrainian SSR, what is the tragedy of? or you just need to write something for the amusement of the public, and they’ll come up with all sorts of things.

[RUSIVAN]

In the passports of Lithuanian citizens born before 1990, "place of birth - USSR" is changed to "place of birth - Lithuania".
Then let them give up everything Soviet in this country altogether: destroy factories, factories, schools, kindergartens, cut down all the trees that were planted by the communists and return all the money that was spent on them ... then let them change passports and call them himself a European "civilization" in the ruins of his own idiocy.

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: RUSIVAN

Let then they give up altogether everything Soviet that is in this country

In-in. And from the territories donated in 1939-1940 in the first place

[pvv113]

instead of the entry “place of birth - USSR” the entry “place of birth - Lithuania” will “show off”

Yes, even "ward number 6"

[semcity23]

I was born in the USSR, I live and will continue to live there!

[Wingpilot]

Recently, the news is so reminiscent of Orwell's novel "1984" that one is simply amazed. Now and here the story is being "cleaned up".

[Eastern wind]

“We were born in Lithuania, we live in nonselezhnaya Ukraine, we dream of America” - why not a slogan? Stop, planet, I'll get off ...

[Kind angry]

Place of birth - the fourth Reich - after all, everything goes to this))
Well, laughter, laughter, of course, but why wouldn’t the earth land like O_o, for example, it will be generally easier ... Everyone)

[doc67]

But shit. Does it matter to you? These idiots are getting out of their way so they don’t forget about them. And why do they need it?

[yuriy55]

Why bother, let them write:
Military base the US army Lithuania (Military base of the American army of Lithuania) ...

[Zomanus]

I don’t know what they wrote in foreign countries, but in the Russian place of birth is GOR. VLADIVOSTOK. It is with these letters that it is written. And to be honest, I don’t care how anyone writes what is in the passport. If the relationship is normal, then this is not important.

[Moore]

If the passport of a Lithuanian citizen does not indicate the real state in which he was born, then from a legal point of view such a document cannot be an identity card.

There, for a long time, nobody cares about legal subtleties. The very institution of "non-citizenship", based on the confirmation of the fact of residence in these limitrophes until 1940, is already a caveman's savagery. But nothing, common people from the EU gagged and did not choke. Now a Negro refugee who, by definition, is not going to work, will receive citizenship, benefits, and subsequently a pension from the "Baltic Tigers", and the person who has been plowing for them all his life will remain an "Aliens" ...
Somehow, farmer thinking somehow the CPSU with the Komsomol could periodically knock them out of them. Now nobody.

[akudr48]

It seems surprising such fraud with the past, the past is not an individual, but the state.
After all, the country is not a dog, not a mutt, who for a successful sale they compose a fake passport with the origin of noble blood.

in the passports of Lithuanians born before the collapse of the USSR, instead of the entry “place of birth - USSR”, the entry “Place of birth - Lithuania” will “show off”.

It turns out, Lithuania, this is such a miserable geopolitical cur, which it’s a shame to show without a false biography. Since the country is a people, in Lithuania, documents will also be issued to citizens, making them dummy in large numbers when moving to Europe for a more successful hiring of plumbers and cleaners.
And Lithuanians, unlike dogs, do not even bark at the same time ...

Recalling that writers are engineers of human souls, let us recall Orwell, who, while pondering what is happening on planet Earth, once said

“He who rules the past rules the future: he who rules the present rules the past.” George Orwell "1984"
In 1984, the state periodically adjusted the past of people and states to the current situation by correcting and re-issuing historical documents.

Now this technology is in real life, Orwell was not mistaken, in the present, swindlers in Lithuania are recording the past demanded by these Baltic "Europeans", ennobling human dogs so that it will be easier to sell them in the future.

UKR so far, only the names of their cities and streets are being rewritten with all kagal.
But it will soon come to the transformation of people into dogs, if it hasn’t reached ...

[koksalek]

Well, when applying for pensions to confirm the length of service for those years, let the frostbitten obscurantists turn not to the USSR, but to their Lithuania

[nivander]

Historically, Lithuania/Lyutva is the territory of White and Black Rus' (Vilno, by the way, is also Black Rus') from Bialystok to Smolensk and from Troki to Bratslav. Modern Lithuania is actually historical Lietuva.--Trokai castle and surrounding swamps, but how much ambition and arrogance

[TatyanaSSSR]

And why, dear compatriots, are you scolding the Lithuanians? I was born in Lithuania in 1967. The passport indicated the place of birth - Lithuanian SSR. In 2002, when I had to change my Soviet passport, in the new one they wrote my place of birth as LITHUANIA. All my questions about what Lithuania was like in 1967 were answered politely. So our officials are no better than Lithuanian ones. Unfortunately.

[Aragorn]

Quote: TatyanaSSSSR

And why, dear compatriots, are you scolding the Lithuanians? I was born in Lithuania in 1967. The passport indicated the place of birth - Lithuanian SSR. In 2002, when I had to change my Soviet passport, in the new one they wrote my place of birth as LITHUANIA. All my questions about what Lithuania was like in 1967 were answered politely. So our officials are no better than Lithuanian ones. Unfortunately.

The same thing has happened in Ukraine for a long time. I changed my passport to Ukrainian in 1999, and also when filling out the application form to obtain a foreign passport - my place of birth was Ukraine (1968). Otherwise, applications will not be accepted.