Donetsk response to the statements of Poroshenko. "If Ukraine starts moving to NATO, the DPR will begin to cleanse the territory of Kiev occupation"

The head of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko, did not disregard the statement of the President of Ukraine regarding the fact that "now with the mistake of the previous authorities, related to the non-aligned status of Ukraine, it is over." This statement Poroshenko made following a meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who visited Ukraine. At the same time, the president of “Square”, as well as his representative at the Minsk talks, Leonid Kuchma, said that a referendum could be held in Ukraine on leaving the non-aligned status and joining NATO.

The reaction of Alexander Zakharchenko was reasoned and tough (quote DAN):

The statements of Poroshenko and his representative at the Minsk talks of Kuchma about the need for Ukraine to join NATO are aimed at the destruction of the Minsk agreements. If Ukraine begins to prepare a referendum on joining NATO or other procedures, the DNR will immediately withdraw from the Minsk agreements and begin clearing the entire territory of Donbass from Kiev occupation. I am sure that many other regions of Ukraine in this case will leave its composition.

By the way, another “sequence” of Poroshenko’s statements attracts attention. A couple of days ago, the President of Ukraine said that Ukraine was not ready to become a member of the North Atlantic Alliance, and the Alliance was not ready to accept Ukraine, but now he said: "Ukraine has matured to join NATO."

Comments

[LEVIAFAN]

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words.

[Conductor]

What is going on politically now in general? Those who are "in the subject", enlighten ...

[AdekvatNICK]

as always. routine.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

Pendalf: They steal and throw everything, cut each other and hang ... In general, a normal civilized life is going on. McDonald's built everywhere. Something you have them, by the way, is not visible. What can not but rejoice.
- Pendalf, come on!

[Mahmut]

One farted, the second in response. Do not rush to respond to every drunken burping of pigs.

To join NATO, Ukraine needs to abandon all of its territorial claims. This is a requirement of the NATO charter for all beginners.

[shvn]

and HERE to redo the Charter, like two fingers about a hedgehog to gasp ...

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: shvn

and HERE to redo the Charter, like two fingers about a hedgehog to gasp ...

And then I broke my head, why have the Swedes still not been admitted to NATO? So they still have territorial claims to Poltava. But soon they will probably accept, this question has already arisen.

[The stranger]

Often read the charter of NATO? At night, put under the pillow? Or just like that - scream foolishly yell?
NATO’s charter does not change under the atomic bombing. The reasons are fundamentally insurmountable: those who wrote that charter believed in something, but they no longer exist. Those who inherited them do not understand what is written there, and are fundamentally deprived of the right to change anything.
So take it easy - today's NATO does not threaten you. This is a scarecrow. To whipping, to knocking out money. Just do not make me laugh - a NATO soldier.
To which, by the way, I did not swear :) Neither my honor, nor my soldiers will be hurt by deploying trunks.
So it’s unlikely with you, but with your dad we’ll go nuts with flasks, as we meet. By sticking bayonets into the ground.
If at all who dares to send columns against each other, that is unlikely. Then I have to partisan.

[97110]

Quote: Alien

NATO’s charter does not change under the atomic bombing.

Your opinion is interesting. But weightless. You don’t hit your chest so hard - the ribs will break.

[The stranger]

Weigh how? I am not on facebook, for lack of exhibitionistic tendencies. Would you like to meet - discard in PM. I’m not a girl - I won’t break, I’ll answer.

[Kind angry]

There is only one moment ... not even one but several. Firstly, Ukraine has no territorial claims on the likeness of Georgia of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Ukraine, in principle, is within its borders and does not share the disputed territory with anyone, as we would not like to. De Juro Crimea in a referendum has left and is part of another state, this is not a controversial territory, Donbass as it was and remains part of Ukraine and there is no war for territory, in fact it’s an ATO and neither an emergency nor an emergency or an airspace in the country has not been introduced, and therefore, Ukrainians, remaining even in this position, will first change their non-aligned status and then within a couple of years can easily become part of the alliance.

[The stranger]

Yes, you forget to this Ukraine! Or can you remember anything other than chewing gum advertising? In the 8th year, Georgia was also on the bandwagon of NATO, no? So the news said. How many times did Azerbaijan go to NATO? Serbia is also almost gone. I have a bad language, but penguins seemed to be asking too. Just did not get the votes of the hippos during the vote, so they quarreled with fleas.
Do not mind it. It does not work. It never worked, and will continue to be the less. Even here, even complete fools no longer refer to this stupidity - no one is bullshit. There are problems, but NATO is not.
If you can find even in google - remember ASEAN, CENTO, what else was there ... Even I don’t remember, even the abbreviations. But strummed once. So this one quietly drank.
Amen.

[Lekxnumx]

How many times did Az-an go to NATO, don’t enlighten me, dear? Reference to the statements of officials that Az-an decided to become a full-fledged member of this organization, but not the conclusions of some Vasya or Mamed, partnerships in some industries, but not more. en joined the organization "Non-Aligned Movement" in May 2011. This suggests that the az-ts did not gather either in NATO or in the CSTO! So far, time will tell, let's write about what we know about!

[The stranger]

No, I will not enlighten. And it’s not at all a question of apologizing, because I mentioned it exclusively against the Russian boy. Which by itself has no arguments, for an Internet boy. Internet - not smart.
I have my own thoughts against Azerbaijan, but this is his friendship with Turkey, which is not my friend. What a completely separate conversation. Consider - it fell off the tongue, for which I apologize, and I take my words back. And so - at a meeting we can drink and sing, we can fight - how the chip will fall. I didn’t really speak Turkish - I served for a long time, I didn’t go for a long time, I forgot.

[Lekxnumx]

Turkey today conducts a two-faced policy, as the Turks have always been like that. But you should note not all the citizens of Az-na are Turks by nationality, not all Azeri Turks who consider themselves to be such are them, and in the end not all citizens of Az-na support the policy of the current government. The first and third points can be attributed to me! Well, if you suddenly decide to visit Baku with pleasure, we will have a drink, and I will sing no more. To fight her blame the dear guest, which is sacred for the Caucasian (if the first meeting is in Baku), as we say, "Where a guest does not come, there is no grace either."

[The stranger]

Yes, I have no doubt that everything is so. So - only have to drink :)

[Shishiga]

That's right - to score on this Ukraine, that’s smart people advise

[olegnmnk]

said the truth! how snapped! all true truth.

[Boatsman_Palych]

An exception will always be made for tire fans. When did the Europeans obey the laws, if it was not profitable for them? Think of Yugoslavia and other bombings for democracy.

[Sandov]

The charter for them is not written, they will spit on everything. Just to unleash the war on our borders.

[hedgehog in the fog]

they have been declaring everything for a year, and dill is bombing everything ... and civilians are dying ... children, old people, are dying .. and they are all declaring ..

[st25310]

Who does not ride - that b.
Primitive is very sorry.
While Bandera rode
The Russians took their Crimea.

Jump and jump - class moves,
Donbass will also jump down soon.
Here Kharkov is on its way,
His jumping is not in fashion.

Zaporozhye indeed
These jumps are tired.
And in Donetsk they understand
They don’t want to jump in the herd.

And also Odessa mother,
Against with the West gallop.
Well, the whole people don’t want,
Replenish primates rabble.

Darwin apparently miscalculated
Hid and did not admit.
Evolution as an example,
Not affected Bander.

Rides for no reason
Baboons, baboons.
The result from this world,
Shame on the Ukrainian state!

[VadimSt]

Quote: Explorer

What is going on politically now in general? Those who are "in the subject", enlighten ...

It helps me ...
(not always takes everything seriously)

[dmi.pris]

Watch the film "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears." There, 30 years ago, the hero said that "there is instability in the world." Such a mess continues ... Now it is even worse ... Watch the film "Circus in Madrid" ...

Quote: Explorer

What is going on politically now in general? Those who are "in the subject", enlighten ...

[goncharov.62]

There is not enough stability. And so, "all is well, beautiful marquise!"

[Kunar]

A synonym for stability is stagnation Yesterday in shit, today in shit. Tomorrow, it seems, too .....! There is reason for optimism! The situation has stabilized! Peremoga, ...

[lukke]

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words

Do you think these are his words?

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

Whose words, he will support.

[Das Boot]

Quote: lukke

Do you think these are his words?

and whose? Wang said the former electrician will stop NATO's eastward expansion. Here on the site there are a lot of her (Wangi, that is, not NATY) fans, ask them.

[LeftPers]

It’s not important whose words it’s, it’s important that the ancient Russian lands cannot be given pin-up, it’s impossible, our ancestors will turn over in their graves. War is better than such a shame.
IMHO.

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

definitely war than shame ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: LEVIAFAN

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words.

No, that's how he deals with boltology before the election.

[ZU-23]

Well, he said normally, the junta shouldn’t sleep peacefully on anyone, plus if he says that other regions will support him, then he said it very much at the time.

[Drmadfisher]

Are you an expert?

[noWAR]

Those who engage in boltology do not walk the front line to their full height.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: noWAR

Those who engage in boltology do not walk the front line to their full height.

Without Moscow, he will not begin any liberation. Therefore, boltology.

[noWAR]

Could it be that Moscow’s hands gave the Lyuli to the Natsik dill? Or with the hands of these dolls (according to yours), shed blood and at the cost of many lives of relatives and friends.

[noWAR]

Alexander, argue minus?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: noWAR

Could it be that Moscow’s hands gave the Lyuli to the Natsik dill?

It was Moscow that gave them horns and defended Lugansk and Donetsk, it was the soldiers who came from the east.

[Imperial]

Without Moscow, he will not begin any liberation. Therefore, boltology.

I hope you understand that without Moscow., These words do not rush.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Imperial

I hope you understand that without Moscow., These words do not rush.

And what is he risking?

[Das Boot]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And what is he risking?

and that is true. Will return back to the mine. Ohm's law, tea, did not forget ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Das Boot

Will return back to the mine.

Did he work at the mine?

[Das Boot]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Did he work at the mine?

HZ ... sort of - yes. In ZhZL his biography has not yet been released ..

[Imperial]

And what is he risking?

Head.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Imperial

I hope you understand that without Moscow., These words do not rush.

And what is he risking?

Mostly post ...

[Penzyac]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: noWAR

Those who engage in boltology do not walk the front line to their full height.

Without Moscow, he will not begin any liberation. Therefore, boltology.

And Piglet without Washington will not say a word, except that on drunkenness he will blab the unauthorized nonsense ...

[Manul]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Without Moscow, he will not begin any liberation. Therefore, boltology.

This is not a boltology then, but an authorized warning. Why rush into words?

[The stranger]

Without Moscow, many will not fart even at night under the blanket, and what?
In this photo, only the knife surprised me. I just usually wore it upside down, with the handle down. Although, it does not argue about tastes.

[brisk]

Quote: noWAR

Those who engage in boltology do not walk the front line to their full height.

Whoever ate belly with a small duck so well on first-class grubs of breeches --- first dill and then Moscow sausage, then you can start and write a dissertation on boltology from your zabuldonsky eyes.

[wow]

There is something, very much there.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: LEVIAFAN

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words.

No, that's how he deals with boltology before the election.

Wow, how many minuses you put.
Any political statements on behalf of the leadership are a serious matter. If you do not, then there will be no faith. This will be a political collapse and could be reflected for the worse for New Russia.

[Imperial]

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words.

There is such a (party))) country, it is called Russia.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: LEVIAFAN

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words

They fight for their land and for the memory of civilians who died from Nazi shelling. But for whom are those who were sent to slaughter fighting by hanging noodles on their ears?

[vsoltan]

I don’t understand, but what, has NATO changed the charter? What is the edge outbreak?

[Penzyac]

Quote: vsoltan

I don’t understand, but what, has NATO changed the charter? What is the edge outbreak?

And, the main thing for Piglets is to crow, and at least do not dawn there, if only the electorate believes ...

[Penzyac]

Quote: Rurikovich

Quote: LEVIAFAN

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words

They fight for their land and for the memory of civilians who died from Nazi shelling. But for whom are those who were sent to slaughter fighting by hanging noodles on their ears?

Those who are "fighting" against Donbass (if I may say so) not for anyone, but for what - exclusively for their personal well-being (in their understanding), and the dead do not need personal well-being ...

[Das Boot]

Quote: Rurikovich

But for whom are those who were sent to slaughter fighting by hanging noodles on their ears?

well, ask them on the censor. And they will answer you:

Quote: Rurikovich

They fight for their land and for the memory of civilians who died from Nazi shelling.

This is morphology.

[The stranger]

Ask for something simpler.
I was also sent at 18, I believed. Then they said that it was not true, and that it was necessary to repent. He refused to repent, at first out of obstinacy. And in youth, of course.
And then he thought, and refused the principle. Not because stupid, but because the then-falsehood was more right than the current one. That's how to die under the epaulettes on which they spit, consider my whole life. These, these. And I have no others, no other faith. So they will write me off.
They probably have the same thing.

[siberalt]

Cleansing the Donbass from the junta? And why not the whole Outskirts. There is someone to support. Flag in hand!

[valter19461]

Zakharchenko in his place. He is a man of words. Well done. It's time for them to Russia

[Das Boot]

Quote: valter19461

It's time for them to Russia

Purely for reasons of etiquette - did they ask "them"? Even in the spattered club of the village of Krasnye Truznyaki, the girl does not dance without asking.

[vidmid]

Quote: LEVIAFAN

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words.

As long as the Donbass problem is not resolved in Ukraine, there can be no talk of NATO.
Therefore, the words of Zakharchenko are nothing more than PR.

[vsoltan]

Oh, you still forgot about Crimea ...

[Rurikovich]

Quote: vidmid

As long as the Donbass problem is not resolved in Ukraine, there can be no talk of NATO.
Therefore, the words of Zakharchenko are nothing more than PR.

Most likely mmmm .... representatives of the so-called authorities in Ukraine are just trolling In order to neighing over what follows after these words

[dauria]

As long as the Donbass problem is not resolved in Ukraine, there can be no talk of NATO.

Oh, what an "insurmountable" obstacle - charter. Gathered, changed and accepted. The only thing that holds them back is that for the Russian Federation, the "red line". It doesn't even matter who is faster in Kiev. They care about how the planet will live there after the exchange of nuclear strikes. The Americans have to gain a foothold, not yielding in anything and wait for the appearance of a new "Gorbachev"

[Altona]

Quote: LEVIAFAN

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words.

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Surely these words were not his, it was just that it was easiest to put them in his mouth ... Europe does not give the go-ahead for the 2015 APU offensive, so as not to unleash a war ... And Zakharchenko warns kakbe that there is no need to twitch, we need to crawl even more carefully towards the world, Europe first of all ... And for the testicles so, once, with an iron hand ...)))

[victor]

Sorry, for your hope, THAN ???

[Alexnder]

Yes, damn it, do not have time for Petya, that not a day, then a new pearl ...
I won’t drink so much ...

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

That’s a new one.

[yushch]

Quote: Alexnder

Yes, damn it, do not have time for Petya, that not a day, then a new pearl ...
I won’t drink so much ...

You see, you also can’t do so much, but Petya is a bastard, maybe where did he get so much health ???

[Penzyac]

Quote: yushch

Quote: Alexnder

Yes, damn it, do not have time for Petya, that not a day, then a new pearl ...
I won’t drink so much ...

You see, you also can’t do so much, but Petya is a bastard, maybe where did he get so much health ???

No, his appearance is no longer healthy every month. I think there are not many left ...

[yushch]

Quote: PENZYAC

Quote: yushch

Quote: Alexnder

Yes, damn it, do not have time for Petya, that not a day, then a new pearl ...
I won’t drink so much ...

You see, you also can’t do so much, but Petya is a bastard, maybe where did he get so much health ???

No, his appearance is no longer healthy every month. I think there are not many left ...

Well, as you would like, Petr Venedik ... Alexeyevich doesn’t take care of himself for 18 hours, he takes care of everything about Nenka. Here he looks tired ...

[papik09]

Quote: Alexnder

Yes, damn it, do not have time for Petya, that not a day, then a new pearl ...
I won’t drink so much ...

Drink less - you will be healthier

[Penzyac]

Quote: Alexnder

Yes, damn it, do not have time for Petya, that not a day, then a new pearl ...
I won’t drink so much ...

Yes, in terms of drinking, it’s apparently difficult to compete with Petya ...
But, I think, EBN and he would not have drunk ...

[Pak_c_TonopoM]

it’s already kumara of our colleagues))) And why do they need NATO after that ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM

our Ukrainian colleagues are already kumaraet))

Yes, this is a well-known toxicomaniac with an unaltered.

[sanja.grw]

Yes, this is a well-known toxicomaniac with an unaltered.

I offer him an honorary order

[sinukvl]

Yes, the "European choice" flight of thought is just crazy. I wonder if he even realized what he wrote? Or is the mayor of Kiev Klitschko hiding behind this pseudonym?

[Penetrator]

Quote: sinukvl

Or is the mayor of Kiev Klitschko hiding behind this pseudonym?

For Pedalik too coherently written. Perhaps this is one of his deputies, who were in the government

[katalonec2014]

A humble man was caught "saving the remnants of his army," he would immediately write that all of Russia decided to move to BV, from sin, onward.

[Riv]

So it goes...

[unsinkable]

Kadyrov is a warrior, Kadyrov is a man, he is young and hot and a real RUSSIAN. You don’t need that about him. (I am Russian, Christian. I respect all faiths except sects and obscurantists) Kadyrov respects him.

[Lyudmila Shagaeva]

unsinkable: respect to Kadyrov. 100% support !!! R. Kadyrov is our man !!!

[SSeT]

Figasse flattens them! this is shydevyr pigzombie

[The stranger]

Uh ... Photos from Lybid satellite? Carcasses of a shot sparrow from Muscovy?
Wow and neat hunting squad, as evenly laid out ...

[97110]

Quote: Alien

Uh ...

English humor? We’re not here, we don’t understand, call. Also minus.

[Baloo]

Thank you Alex for the picture. I haven’t laughed like that for a long time.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

Drive this Bandera scum to the very Atlantic. There, let them enter the Atlantic bloc with the Atlantic herring.

[Das Boot]

Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin

Drive this Bandera scum to the very Atlantic. There, let them enter the Atlantic bloc with the Atlantic herring.

and why not to the Pacific? Well, I don’t offer Indian, I understand - a stretch ....

[A-Sim]

"Ukraine is ripe for joining NATO." Whole 2 days. More than enough. And then it’s overriding.

[Bvg132]

The "pig" has seven Fridays for weeks. With a hangover, you can’t say that, not remembering what you said earlier. The head is bo, and you want to scare the toilet. There is no time for doom

[Comrade Bender]

Pan Svin rushes feverishly in search of those who can still "submit to poverty under any pretext"?

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

Who is ready to succumb to him for poverty under any pretext.

[Not served]

But will NATO accept them? Actually, then you will have to change the NATO charter or recognize Crimea as Russian and the DPR / LPR outside the ruins.
Empty chatter is all. As ours took an active stance on Syria, immediately began some kind of information movement to accuse us of all mortal sins. Looks like they really stepped on mazol.

[Major Yurik]

Quote: Not served

But will NATO accept them? Actually, then you will have to change the NATO charter or recognize Crimea as Russian and the DPR / LPR outside the ruins.
Empty chatter is all. As ours took an active stance on Syria, immediately began some kind of information movement to accuse us of all mortal sins. Looks like they really stepped on mazol.

If Nata changes the charter and the procedure for admission to Ukrainians, which is unlikely, you can recognize it as a terrorist union, and taking into account their past exploits prove it like two fingers! Well, then the procedure for communicating with terrorists is spelled out in general!

[katalonec2014]

Oh, I feel for a while this truce!

[Barakuda]

If Ukraine begins to prepare a referendum on joining NATO or other procedures, the DPR will immediately withdraw from the Minsk agreements and begin to cleanse the entire territory of Donbass from the Kiev occupation.

It's sad, of course, but this is on condition that Moscow gives "the go-ahead." No matter how patriotic it may sound ...
Hawchik and Voentorg? There is no escape from him, even though he is wearing an invisible hat. And there are already some other "laws", if the "Banshees" said goodbye, or He told them?

[loginovich]

Here is Putin’s cunning plan.

[Armax]

now he has declared: “Ukraine has become ripe for joining NATO

From behind a puddle the black master whistled, the dog barked: "ripe!"

[Tor5]

That is exactly what happened.

[forester]

Yes, let this clown (parasha) talk what he wants - another speculation - everyone understands everything as well as with membership or association (eggs also in sexual intercourse in association with a member but do not penetrate) into the EU Nobody will accept them - there (in NATO) pragmatists not suicides

[serzh savchenko]

Sasha, stop PR. I understand that political statements should be made, but not with such a text. You can’t take Ukrainians to Pont. The real situation is that militias have a maximum of 25 thousand combat bayonets. Any attempt to break through without the support of aviation is an unreasonable loss. The DPR cannot militarily stop the movement of Ukraine into NATO. This is the competence of Russia. According to Peskov, Russia will take real countermeasures to force Ukraine to a neutral status. In other words, this is a lightning war with the use of front-line aviation and precision missile attacks on all strategic targets of Ukraine and the displacement of the political leadership of Ukraine. And only after that 25 thousand militants of the DPR and LPR enter into business. But I already wrote that by the end of this year, the Ukrainian army will begin a diffuse offensive along the entire front line with the goal of reaching the border with Russia. It’s hard for me to imagine what the military leadership of the DPR can oppose to this offensive. Arrogant underestimation of the Ukrainian army a forge of heroic defeat ....

[arane]

Unfortunately, this is also an optimistic scenario! It could be much worse

[serzh savchenko]

You are right, it could be worse ... But more on that later. I assure you, everything is under control, although it could have been better developed in some details

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: serzh savchenko

. It’s hard for me to imagine what the military leadership of the DPR can oppose to this offensive

And there is no need to imagine. One question is, if the DNI has nothing to oppose to the Ukrainian army, then why is Donetsk not Ukrainian yet?

[katalonec2014]

Here he meant that the DPR army alone and without a "draft" simply does not have enough strength to liberate the entire Donbass.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Why is Donetsk not Ukrainian yet?

Sanya, do not be dumb, for the advance a priori need a quantitative advantage or military cunning. And the Alps, that would follow them, following the example of Suvorov, on the pope to drive off onto an empty one. As well as quantitative superiority.

[Andryukha]

Military tricks are possible only in the Alps?

[Foul skeptic]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

then why is Donetsk not Ukrainian yet?

Because the defense of a settlement and the capture (and after control) of settlements (in the plural) of settlements are two different things. But you already know that.

[vidmid]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And there is no need to imagine. One question is, if the DNI has nothing to oppose to the Ukrainian army, then why is Donetsk not Ukrainian yet?

Does Ukraine need Donetsk in general?

[Das Boot]

Quote: serzh savchenko

Sasha, stop PR. I understand that

I agree, Camerada, with your comment.
Something he took courage: "Yes, if ... Yes, we ... Yes, let them try ...." And what territory was he going to cleanse? And, most importantly - by whom and with what?

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Das Boot

And, most importantly - by whom and by what?

Sitting on the couch we don’t know much. So time will tell.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: serzh savchenko

Arrogant underestimation of the Ukrainian army a forge of heroic defeat ....

They act soberly, patriotism is good, but neat, without fanaticism in this situation.

[Awaz]

Well, you don’t know everything ... The war does not continue not because the dill are tired .. or Poros became a peacemaker ... It's all about the fact that the APU lacks strength even for a small victory. Whatever anarchy is among the militia, but there are many more people with experience of war, the most interesting thing is that they have already developed a complex of winners and ukrovoyaks have a complex of cooking in boilers. Can you imagine at least somewhere that the separatists in two months without serious air defense (only manual) could "land" all aviation in Ukraine. Even in Syria, the mujahideen, with full support from the people, cannot do something like that.
I do not want to repeat the platitudes, but the respite, which was originally useful for dill, is now quietly harming them: the army is degrading without war, the maintenance of this army is drowning the already rotten economy.
I can only agree that the Armed Forces of Novorossia will not go anywhere without external support. At the moment, they can only, having gathered strength, recapture a certain piece of territory. (For example, Mariupol) and then probably only by creating a blockade and environment. They won’t be able to take it, and it makes no sense

[Das Boot]

Quote: AwaZ

the most interesting thing is that they have already developed a set of winners and ukrovoyak has a cooking complex in boilers.

something about the catophobia of some and the mania of the invincibility of others had already happened somewhere ... For the second, it seems that it ended in a nuisance.

[tantalum]

Quote: Das Boot

something about the catophobia of some and the mania of the invincibility of others had already happened somewhere ... For the second, it seems that it ended in a nuisance.

Something, Somewhere, It seems. Bad for you, but what to do? Who is easy now? )))

[andj61]

Quote: serzh savchenko

But I already wrote that by the end of this year, the Ukrainian army will begin a diffuse offensive along the entire front line with the goal of reaching the border with Russia. It’s hard for me to imagine what the military leadership of the DPR can oppose to this offensive.

Diffuse? How is it - to infiltrate in small groups to the border with Russia? In my opinion, this thing is extremely unreal. Suppose they infiltrated, even went to the border with Russia - without equipment, without ammunition and food - and how long will they last there? Last year, they tried to cut off LDNR from Russia by reinforced battalion groups - and this, with border guards loyal to the regime, failed.
In the case of a conventional offensive, artillery as usual comes in, and boilers somehow form suddenly - the offensive does not go along the front line, but only along the roads. Yes, and for the offensive you need three-fold - at least superiority in manpower, multiple in artillery and armored vehicles. There is none of this in real life.

[andj61]

Quote: serzh savchenko

But I already wrote that by the end of this year, the Ukrainian army will begin a diffuse offensive along the entire front line with the goal of reaching the border with Russia. It’s hard for me to imagine what the military leadership of the DPR can oppose to this offensive.

Diffuse? How is it - to infiltrate in small groups to the border with Russia? In my opinion, this thing is extremely unreal. Suppose they infiltrated, even went to the border with Russia - without equipment, without ammunition and food - and how long will they last there? Last year, they tried to cut off LDNR from Russia by reinforced battalion groups - and this, with border guards loyal to the regime, failed.
In the case of a conventional offensive, artillery as usual comes in, and boilers somehow form suddenly - the offensive does not go along the front line, but only along the roads. Yes, and for the offensive you need three-fold - at least superiority in manpower, multiple in artillery and armored vehicles. There is none of this in real life.

[vovanpain]

North wind

[brisk]

Quote: serzh savchenko

Russia will take real countermeasures to force Ukraine to a neutral status. In other words, this is a lightning war with the use of front-line aviation and precision missile attacks on all strategic targets of Ukraine and the displacement of the political leadership of Ukraine. And only after that 25 thousand militants of the DPR and LPR enter into business.

Resign the villains from Ukraine. You really are rabid dogs. Together with his drunk Zakharchenko and other mischief-makers. The armchair is softer. Finished heat rakers with the wrong hands. Relatives Back Behind I Thrust - MOBILE BROTHERS !! To piss.

[tantalum]

Quote: svelto

Resign the villains from Ukraine.

You have a lobster! Urgently a hundred jumps with patriotic screeches and everything will pass)))
P.S. And by the way, you have a Soviet flag, the USSR’s place of residence, and you bark like an ancient one from Cz. You already decide light black you ours)))

[a housewife]

What did you forget here? Come out! Go jump - feel better.

[Baloo]

briskClementino, wake up. Crimea left because it did not want to ride to the American tune. Also Donbass. Your Ukraine is in the internal control of the US ambassador. You dreamed about what kind of independence, about this? Soon the eggs and piglets will be sold to transnational companies of the land, and where will the villagers go with their belongings? To the geyropu? They are very welcome there. Is Russia empty for the night again? Porosenko increased his fortune by 7 times over the year, a dozen generals became dollar multi-billionaires, two this year bought property in London. In addition to Ukrainian, Yatsenyukha also has a passport and a US passport. You still do not understand that your country is already being let down, it will not be soon. Porosenko’s gang has alternate airfields, they’ll wash off, what will you do? Think ....

[brisk]

Quote: Balu

You still do not understand that your country is already being let down, it will not be soon.

And I am a poor man and unemployed. Even the neighbors are much more prosperous than me with work. But you are by no means my friends or benefactors. And here I will tell you from my observations, in my front-line city of Zaporozhye. Frontline may be said loudly, but to Donetsk 200 km in a straight line. There were no battles, but you want to sow them in every possible way with us. In the Russian-speaking Zaporozhye, among people over 40 years old, the Russian Federation and your "Russian world", coupled with novorosia, hate at least 60 percent and are considered enemies. And among those who are under 30, there are 80 percent of them, no less. Even (surprisingly - soviet after all!) Every third old woman and old man in 70 years has the same opinion of you. And Ukraine will be. The more you try to prove that it will not exist and will not exist, the more you are considered enemies in Ukraine. Its inhabitants think so. You have been putting the end here for a year and a half - for a month, for three months, until winter, until summer ... And then from the beginning. And Ukraine did not endure this --- yak bida mene, yak plague mowed down, and strength rose again! ... So do not flatter yourself too much. You have told us a lot. I am not for the junta, but now I cannot read these scribbles without laughing. "The junta: the process of self-destruction has begun" http://topwar.ru/46090-hunta-nachalsya-process-samolikvidacii.html Admire! Is it funny to read now? Self-liquidated? These are the soothsayers of you. Here you can see an old archive. Read for 2010 - 2011 the little articles of pisyak and dumushki-aspirations of the guests. And compare with today. Isn't it funny yourself? These are the predictors and analysts of you.

[Baloo]

I sympathize ... That's just that our schools do not teach children to hate Ukrainians and do not engage in anti-Ukrainian propaganda on our TV channels. and the fact that people do not want to live under the rule of Bendera is their right. This Russia does not allow a humanitarian catastrophe to happen in the Donbass. This Russia supports the banking system of Ukraine. This Russia is patient and understanding about what is happening in Ukraine and nobody intervenes in your affairs. I sometimes watch your Inter cable view, there is something to compare with.
Cle mentino, you don’t understand the main thing: who did you put on your head? who controls you?
In which country are there still foreign ministers, and even in the search for their countries?
Did you know that most of the government went through Soros's "revival" courses?
What happened to you, we had to happen in the 90s under Yeltsin. The war in Chechnya was sponsored not only by Arabs and Americans, but also by Berezovsky, who built two drugs production plants on the border with Dagestan. In the same way, Soros tried to destroy the education system, liberals destroyed defense enterprises, institutes, educational institutions of vocational education, science, including and defense. Zurabov, our ambassador to Ukraine tried to destroy medicine, after he was an ambassador, medicine began to rise.
However, there were people who united and raised Russia from their knees.
Nobody climbs into your Ukraine and does not bother you, except in the west, where you are striving so, destroying your economy, breaking mutually beneficial production ties with Russia. we have already restored everything that we received from Ukraine and are doing it ourselves.
We are discussing the confrontation between banderlogs and Donbass, because it is not possible to be indifferent when schools, kindergartens, hospitals are bombed. And they kill not only the Donbass. Watch the video in Volnovakha. The door of the bus opened, single shots, automatic bursts, a man falls out, an explosion. Where did the rockets come from? The militias did not have hail capable of reaching this point. Why didn't a single rocket hit the highway? Mariupol? For a day, banderlogs were removed from the checkpoint. In the morning they turned off the gas, electricity, and water in these houses. People went outside. The shelling began. After the shelling, the banderlogs and policemen returned to their points. Again, the satellite clearly shows that the militias did not have anything to shoot at such a distance.
Talk on New Year’s, okay? tell me about life, you can in PM. Think for now.
Speaking of Boeing. They aimed at another plane, the route of which crossed over Warsaw.
Kalomoy blabbed out, your "ass", the killer Voloshin, also blabbed out (by the way, he is a witness, they don’t live for a long time), but where did the dispatcher from Dnepropetrovsk go, who brought the downed Boeing into the territory where the battles were going. All the witnesses on the same day, a few hours later, spoke about two planes and no one said that they had heard or seen that a rocket took off from the ground.
Your CIA is ruled by the CIA, occupying the 2 upper floors, even your flag was hung out at the entrance. Do you still doubt whose interests the SBU protects?
But our Chekists squeezed out all the abomination from a country such as Berezovsky and other crooks and helped lift the country off its knees. Yes, prices have risen, imported products have become smaller, but with incomes of $ 500 per person you can live, pay a mortgage, pay a loan, and slowly build a house in the village.
Think, think, who is the enemy of Ukraine.
Tatars say: a good neighbor is closer than a relative.

[The stranger]

Come on. NATO in principle does not accept scandal. Well, it’s inconceivable to be at war with any state, but with a civil war. You really don’t understand that this is a club of retired pensioners, or what?

[WU 37]

And when did these idiots choke on fat ??? That Kozloshenko, that valiant Usobak and the fake one, don’t understand where the whole world is being pushed? Some mutants !!!

[Penzyac]

Quote: WU 37

And when did these idiots choke on fat ??? That Kozloshenko, that valiant Usobak and the fake one, don’t understand where the whole world is being pushed? Some mutants !!!

That is why they all drink (or smoke "grass", sniff coke, inject with gherrych, swallow the wheels) soundly, that they understand what they have gotten themselves into, but they do not see a way out of it ...
They don’t understand, apparently only completely stupid: there are different right-wingers and other radicals ...

[narval20]

Hell! But it will again be paid with human lives ...

[Makarov]

Yes, guys ... you don't know the mood of the "other" regions of Ukraine ... the train has left ...

[TOZ-34]

How long does it take to "mature"? For two, 0,5 and that's it! Ripe !!!

[Das Boot]

Interestingly, did Albania enter NATO through a referendum too? Or through which thread more intimate?

[zombiunian]

yes on her cesspool)) the same bloody corns are visible

[eyed]

The funny thing is that they will actually be accepted by NATO, and it seems to me that soon, about 5 years, a maximum of waiting. NATO should expand - and in Europe there is no place left, the current of Krain and Belarus remains.
We will have to rattle with each other, with NATO, with arms, and threaten them.
We still have a funny underbelly with the Churkistan, and Chinese roots to the zemlyats are hunting ...
The only way out is to launch from the Middle East and blacks of all stripes in Europe to feed the ball.
Then it will become easier for us. And it would not hurt in the USA to get hold of 2-3 blacks of native blacks in the near future, then they will arrange a showdown for themselves.
But so that we do not have a showdown, to prohibit urgently and permanently entry from Churkistan to everyone. We have plenty of our fools, but we at least know how to deal with them ....

[Cat man null]

Quote: fake

The funny thing is that they will actually be accepted by NATO

As long as there is Crimea, nobody will be accepted anywhere.

NATO does not accept countries with territorial disputes.

Somehow everyone forgot about it for some reason .. but in vain

[slizhov]

This must be done, even if it does not start this movement ... :)

[79807420129]

As long as the state has territorial problems, there can’t be any membership in NATO, the sukashvili bear has learned it well, he could have suggested the piglet, the current genatsvale are not jerking, South Ossetia and Abkhazia are holding them tightly and Moldova will not especially scatter Transnistria , and these clowns can only be accepted as a member otherwise Crimea should be recognized as Russian by NATO

[Andrey Draganov]

Rather, this would have happened to disperse all hohlopidorgov on geyevropu.

[Shuttle]

I have a plan!
And let's join NATO before Ukraine ?!
After all, there was some kind of advice under the patronage of Berlusconi.
Estimate in Ukraine what an inversion of brains will begin!

Maybe we’ll enter, or maybe not. But in Independence there will be a tornado from rectal gases.

[Vitaly72]

Commercials and gas discounts are not required

[afrikanez]

Ukraine is not ready to become a member of the North Atlantic Alliance, and the Alliance is not ready to accept Ukraine, now he said: "Ukraine has ripened for NATO membership."

Ukraine is just like "early ripening" potatoes.

[Evilcat]

I am sure that many other regions of Ukraine in this case will leave its composition.

All right. The only one who does not see such a turn of events is the Kiev authorities.

[tolmachiev51]

It seems that such statements / without the go-ahead from the Kremlin / Zakharchenko can not be decided. For Whatever APU was, but it’s the army and the nonsense of cap-hatred they passed / Debaltseve taught /. The sales top can be promoted as much as the soul desires, but the Stuck war is too serious.

[Das Boot]

Quote: tolmachiev51

It seems that such statements / without the go-ahead from the Kremlin / Zakharchenko can not be decided.

So - minus the Kremlin, if he gives instructions to carry nonsense. Or do you seriously believe that A.Z. broadcasts the Kremlin message?

Quote: tolmachiev51

Whatever APU was, but it’s the army and the nonsense of cap-hatred they passed

Well, yes, according to the law of conservation, this nonsense passed from them to ...

[m-arsenich]

A strong statement, but belated. And then how many Mordovorotov Avon withdrew from the defense of their land and became "refugees" in the Russian Federation. It's time to push the globe away from you, as Vysotsky sang ..

[NDR-791]

If Ukraine starts moving to NATO ...
It has long begun. In such cases, there are enough voiced intentions, otherwise it may be too late!

[nozdrevat58]

Yes, it is hardly worth taking seriously the words of Poroshenko. Again, it seems to get drunk

[kuguar7777]

Quote: Major Yurik

and taking into account their past exploits prove it- like two fingers!

And to whom to prove it? Everything is already in the know .. While NATO, in conjunction with the State Department and the United States, does not receive a specific facet about the table, in my opinion it is useless to prove something .. The winner judges as you know.

[Vasyan1971]

"Ukraine is ripe for joining NATO."
And it will go bad on a branch ...

[manguest]

To create a piglet for any informational occasion is a holiday, therefore it’s just talking not to be silent and not answer questions. but you have to answer. After Vladimir Vladimirovich found a place where you can install a universal switch and successfully mount it, the NATO team was far from b / ukrov.

[tyras85]

5+ for the answer! Well done, Donbass. The time is near when, with YOU, you will be forced to reckon officially. And provocateurs, and the EU and the USA. I believe! True, for YOU!

[demandy1]

the cockerel is crowing, and Donbass keeps his word! Bravo! Victory is always for truth and faith.

[KRIG55]

Ukraine will join NATO, Donbass will not join (which is most likely), after all that Svidomo has done for the next 100 years, it does not want to be Ukraine, no matter who persuades them.

[1536]

You should never forget about the partisan struggle against the invaders! So, in my opinion, Zakharcheko is not bluffing, and Moscow has nothing to do with it.

[aleks700]

"If Ukraine begins to move to NATO, the DPR will begin to cleanse the territory of the Kiev occupation"

Ukraine to NATO!

[kebzuref]

Greetings to all, I am a citizen of Uzbekistan and I am watching the NBS and all the main Western media and Russian ones, too, and I understand that in the moral and political sense, Russia is right, and although I am a stranger, you do not even have enough external enemies inside your enemies.

[valokordin]

Bravo Zakharchenko! Bravo! I would like to hear the opinion of our leaders.

[pilot bin-bom]

Quote: LEVIAFAN

I hope Zakharchenko has something to back up his words.

Whistles do not carry bags. as already noted in one of the comments on the site, if Zakharchenko answered for his bazaar, then they would have taken Mariupol a year ago. it would be a land corridor to the Crimea - well, it would help a lot

[Plumbum]

Negative - it's easy and simple, well, like a crest under the door of a neighbor you yourself know what you did. Minus! And the words of Mr. Zakharchenko that he launched an attack on Mariupol and no one remembers him in two weeks?

[Stena]

That is, after all, curious comments ... That is, it is possible to carry powder and total nonsense, but Zakharchenko cannot answer it? What difference does it make - he said the truth or fiction - the answer is the answer. And for couch strategists who do not know the real situation and the balance of forces - and it should be interesting in general - can you make direct bets - is it true or false?

[arrows]

Territory will have to be freed from the Nazis in any way. Novorossiya and Pid ... sy are not compatible

[rocker_39]

Quote: serzh savchenko

Sasha, stop PR. I understand that political statements should be made, but not with such a text. You can’t take Ukrainians to Pont. The real situation is that militias have a maximum of 25 thousand combat bayonets. Any attempt to break through without the support of aviation is an unreasonable loss. The DPR cannot militarily stop the movement of Ukraine into NATO. This is the competence of Russia. According to Peskov, Russia will take real countermeasures to force Ukraine to a neutral status. In other words, this is a lightning war with the use of front-line aviation and precision missile attacks on all strategic targets of Ukraine and the displacement of the political leadership of Ukraine. And only after that 25 thousand militants of the DPR and LPR enter into business. But I already wrote that by the end of this year, the Ukrainian army will begin a diffuse offensive along the entire front line with the goal of reaching the border with Russia. It’s hard for me to imagine what the military leadership of the DPR can oppose to this offensive. Arrogant underestimation of the Ukrainian army a forge of heroic defeat ....

As far as I understand, at the beginning of the war there were much fewer militias. Then why, explain to me wretched, how could you not take the Donbass? Having an even more or less equipped army, some amount of military equipment. And how will the kakly begin a diffuse attack if the 6th grave wave has already failed successfully, and the 7th, I think, will sweep away the ukrokhunt to hell? And do not forget that the LDNR army may be squeezed out, or even smashed, which is generally from the realm of fantasy, but people will remain. And the great partisan war will begin. A partisan can only be opposed by a state that is very highly developed economically and militarily. Even 3,14ndostan was not able to withstand in Iraq and Afghanistan. What can we say about Banderostan.

[Das Boot]

Quote: rocker_39

And the great partisan war will begin.

the great guerrilla war will very quickly come to naught when the peaceful begin to hang the guerrillas themselves, and the little guerrillas, I believe, will mostly be "volunteers", and not from the locals. The locals will have enough skills for this. And then the fight against terror and sabotage will take a different turn.
But all this is fantasy. There will be no partisans. Moscow in the Donbass, as a hotbed of destabilization and, consequently, a brake on NATO is not interested - there is Crimea for this.

[tantalum]

Quote: Das Boot

the great partisan war will very quickly come to naught when the peaceful begin to hang up partisans themselves

That is, in your opinion, the "peaceful" will actually only be glad when all Bandera's mra_zota captures Donbass and will gladly hang everyone who is protecting them now? Are you sick or Svidomomordyh is this genetic deviation so to perceive reality?

[4ekist]

Ukraine, together with Parashenko and all the "former" Kuchka, has not yet fully realized what kind of ass it is in.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: 4ekist

Ukraine, together with Parashenko and all the "former" Kuchka, has not yet fully realized what kind of ass it is in.

It seems to me they don’t care ... for their age-temporary Ukraine will be enough, and then what is not particularly interesting to them. After all, a person can adapt to different conditions of life and a person can exist in his own age.

So - someone in Ukraine will have life, and someone will exist.

[Lexa-149]

Hmm ... Petrushka's brain dill is progressing ...

[serzh savchenko]

Dear colleagues in the discussion, the failure of the offensive of the volunteer battalions of the Maidan Nazis is easy to explain. They went to kill in a narcotic intoxication of impunity. The fighters of the Russian world stopped this self-confident trash. The Russian leadership did not support the anti-Maidan uprising of the Donbass. But the ideology of creating Novorossiya after the annexation of Crimea exceeded the critical mass of the motivation of the militia, which was led by Igor Strelkov and other bright people's commanders. But the "Russian Spring" was choked on the outskirts of Kharkov, in unfortunate Odessa, in Kherson and Nikolaev. In other words, the revolutionary situation turned into a political process that is killing the revolution; therefore, the people's governors of the DPR and LPR were immediately removed. It was a very painful process. Some had to be shot with a pain in their heart because neither admonitions, nor assurances and explanations helped. Russia is behind, the most sacred and dear one, which is more valuable than money and blessings. But there is also an objective reality: not all the people of Ukraine are intoxicated by the Maidan bacillus, you cannot build a pseudo-people state of an unknown formation, like Novorossia and swear allegiance to Russia. This is one of the American scenarios that uses political tekwando techniques. I am ready to answer questions.

[atamankko]

Real men have always defended their home
and did not betray their homeland, well done militia.

[Wolka]

while only the words, however, the parties are bluffing, everything is much more complicated than you think, the Yankees and the EU are at a loss, the EU is now unable to cope with refugees in Ukraine, the Yankees in Syria have Iraq’s asshole and nothing at all in Ukraine, a considerable amount of money was spent, zero result, controlled chaos does not work, failure everywhere ...