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West: USSR bombed Hiroshima and first attacked Hitler

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West: USSR bombed Hiroshima and first attacked Hitler"Russian browser" writes:

Wise Russian people. Russian proverbs and sayings are the quintessence of centuries of experience. You read them and you do not get tired to admire the accuracy of formulations.

Today, we recall only one: “Whoever remembers the old - that’s out of sight. And who will forget - both of them! ”Those texts that you, dear readers, read further, very well illustrate this saying.
We do not want to remember what was, for the sake of the process of publishing these materials. We want everyone to read this, right down to the authors (who are alive) of these texts themselves.

Yesterday it was early - tomorrow, maybe, God forbid, late. We decided to recall this today, when the West is crushing Libya, is aiming at Syria and is already threatening Russia.

Now that Russia is striving to become so sweet for the American heart a democracy, it is now that these impermissible shouts began to be heard from across the ocean. And why? Because it is a democracy. That is - their power system. It is possible to shout at them and not to react - “the dog barks, the caravan moves on” - but the experience of the behavior of the United States shows: first a shout, and then a whip.

“In the face of potential mass atrocities, our options are never limited to either sending the military or supporting suppressing atrocities. The actions that we can choose are many. They extend from economic to diplomatic intervention, and from non-combat hostilities to direct intervention. ” This text is signed by Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Barack Obama 4 August 2011. The document is called "Presidential directive" Research on mass atrocities "(PresidentialStudyDirectiveonMassAtrocities).

Let's start with two deadly facts, best of all demonstrating to our reader, how Russia is hated in the West. "Among young Japanese - and not only among them - it is widely believed that the atomic bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima on 1945 is, in fact, the work of not the Americans, but the Russians."

Do you understand what the Japanese and local propagandists imposed on the Japanese? That Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombed the Soviet Union with nuclear bombs! This is the result of years of brainwashing! This means that our country is not only accused of having “unleashed the Second World War together with Hitler” (the US Embassy in Estonia made 23 August 2011 of the year in which, along with Hitler's Germany, blamed the start of the Second World War on the USSR), but they are preparing public opinion to attribute the USSR to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs!

The speech of the President of the United States of America William (Bill) Clinton at a closed meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 25 in October 1995: “For the past ten years, the policy towards the USSR and its allies has convincingly proved the correctness of our course to eliminate one of the strongest powers of the world, as well as the strongest military unit. Using the blunders of Soviet diplomacy, the extraordinary arrogance of Gorbachev and his entourage, including those who openly took a pro-American stance, we achieved what President Truman was about to do with the Soviet Union through an atomic bomb. True, with one significant difference - we received a raw material appendage, a state not destroyed by the atom, which would not be easy to create. Yes, we have spent many billions of dollars on this, but they are already close to what Russians call “self-sufficiency”. In four years, we and our allies received various strategic raw materials for 15 billions of dollars, hundreds of tons of gold, precious stones, etc. For non-existent projects, we have been transferred for negligible amounts over 20 thousand tons of copper, nearly 50 thousand tons of aluminum, 2 thousand tons of cesium, beryllium, strontium, etc. During the years of the so-called perestroika in the USSR, many of our military and businessmen did not believe in the success of the upcoming operation. And in vain. Having shaken the ideological foundations of the USSR, we managed to bloodlessly withdraw from the war for world domination the state that makes up the main competition to America. Our goal and objective is to continue to assist everyone who wants to see in us a model of Western freedom and democracy. When at the beginning of 1991, CIA employees transferred to the East to implement our 50 plans of millions of dollars, and then the same amounts, many politicians and the military did not believe in the success of the business. Now, after four years, it is clear that our plans began to be realized. ... If we solve these problems, then in the next decade the following problems will be resolved: the division of Russia into small states through inter-regional wars, such as those that were organized in Yugoslavia; the final collapse of the military-industrial complex of Russia and the army; the establishment of regimes in the republics that are separated from Russia, which are necessary for us. This is how the Russian Manilov region is broken up by the iron logic of American cynics No one there to be friends with us and is not going to - "raw materials appendage" and the point!

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  1. Denis
    Denis 11 November 2011 07: 39
    +6
    Speech by President of the United States of America William (Bill) Clinton at a closed meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 25 October 1995

    silent would be unfinished, quietly with Monica, and then did not make it
    a big scrape is coming, it's time to liquidate the "fifth column" in the Kremlin and the Duma, you should know how
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 November 2011 08: 47
      +4
      They would rather remember like their favorite peacemaker Sakharov proposed to explode an atomic bomb under the water of the Atlantic, off the coast of the United States. Then a colossal tsunami will wash away the entire east coast of the USA ... But they don’t remember
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2011 09: 13
        -1
        he didn’t offer to detonate a bomb, but to launch torpedoes from the coast of the USSR in the direction of the states, for which he was sent to the commander-in-chief of the Navy
        1. Denis
          Denis 11 November 2011 09: 32
          +1
          and hydrogen in the ocean to explode, so that the coast washed off offered
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2011 10: 04
            -1
            one thing for sure, they bastards
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 11 November 2011 12: 22
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          for which he was sent to the commander-in-chief of the Navy


          Well, something like this

          At the museum at the Center for Nuclear Research, where he worked, his recommendations on the speedy use of the hydrogen bomb against the United States have been preserved. Sakharov proposed that Soviet submariners develop a 100 megaton bomb delivery system to the US shores to destroy cities using tsunamis 40-60 meters high. But the sailors then abandoned this idea and called it Bloodthirsty!
          1. desava
            desava 11 November 2011 12: 32
            -2
            Among the projects of the first generation nuclear submarine (627 "Leninsky Komsomol") there was one that was armed with one super torpedo of a caliber of something about 1000 mm, for a nuclear strike against the enemy naval base. Is this by chance, does not apply to your dialogue?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2011 13: 19
              -2
              probably
            2. Tyumen
              Tyumen 13 November 2011 18: 18
              0
              Torpedo T - 50.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2011 13: 18
            -1
            this is kka time and a torpedo is a submarine, well, they cannot use bombs
      2. vadimus
        vadimus 12 November 2011 01: 09
        -1
        Once the story has been redone ... We still disentangle ... This is the west of the artist!
  2. Tjumenec72
    Tjumenec72 11 November 2011 08: 29
    +1
    Eliminate it in the minds of others.
    I don’t have enough rhetoric, I regularly educate my own)))
  3. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 11 November 2011 09: 13
    0
    yes, some Bears and Putin should not sit on Twitter, but read something like that - we can come to their senses, otherwise they found "friends"! Such friends - for .. go to the museum !! and they "reboot", in my opinion someone has been asking for a long time (USA) for "formatting", at least for diffraction ...
  4. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 11 November 2011 09: 22
    +2
    This is a deliberate policy of the West aimed at descrediting Russia as the main winner of fascism and, as a result, reviewing the outcome of the war and presenting material and territorial claims. What to say about foreign students, look at ours. If in our country that defeated fascism, you can freely buy a history textbook printed on Pindos money, which says that America and its Sotelites won the war, and the USSR helped a little.
    1. LTL70
      LTL70 11 November 2011 16: 34
      +1
      You are Lech in the comments of ito restraints of the memorable Bill and other American riffraffs! You read, and outraged by the American scum, they caught their breath from the ZINISM of these fucking Democrats. I don’t want to go further - one mat is asked.
  5. Alexei
    Alexei 11 November 2011 09: 27
    +4
    How history is being rewritten! That is why I trust Fomenko and Nosovsky's "New chronology" more. It’s not shameful, because people of those times are not all dead yet.
    They have not yet said that when wealth was distilled from the USSR, the Baltic states were enriched, because they drove through it. Raw appendage ... Ohrenel absolutely! Here we are people. Putin and all politicians know this. As soon as a freebie stopped, Putin is a dictator, Empire is Mordor, Europe is hysterical - soon Russian tanks will go to them.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2011 10: 08
      0
      Quote: Alexej
      That is why I trust Fomenko and Nosovsky's New Chronology more.


      in their latest works, the theory leads the author rather than vice versa, he begins to adjust the solution to the answer, although there is a grain in his theory, and in academic history there are a lot of absurdities and outright nonsense, the same Chingiz Khan, well, could not the point of view of the logic of the nomad not to unite the tribes, let alone rush to the "last sea"
      1. vadimus
        vadimus 12 November 2011 01: 12
        0
        Keep
    2. lightforcer
      lightforcer 11 November 2011 11: 22
      -2
      Alexei,
      Fomenko is actually a mathematician, and has no relation to history. I can write you my chronology, believe in it?
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 11 November 2011 11: 39
        0
        Chronology in numbers. The numbers have a relativity, but not the same as a couple of false words. If in Europe they are already giving out now: "You are aggressive Russians, why did you attack the Swedes near Poltava?" And some lightforcer in 300 years will believe it, because there will be no other version. No? I did not say that I believe, I said - I trust more.
        1. lightforcer
          lightforcer 11 November 2011 12: 48
          -1


          "Et-Ruski: a riddle that they don't want to solve."
          "The conquest of America by Yermak-Cortes and the rebellion of the Reformation through the eyes of the" ancient "Greeks."
          "Caliph Ivan."
          "Christ was born in the Crimea. Theotokos died there."
          "The split of the empire: From the Terrible-Nero to Mikhail Romanov-Domitian."
          "400 years of deception. Mathematics allows you to look into the past."
          "Forgotten Jerusalem (Istanbul in the light of new chronology)."
          "Cossacks-Aryans: from Russia to India."


          Yes, perhaps mathematics is a great science. Why do we need an imperialist prostitute called archeology.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2011 13: 17
            +2
            Quote: lightforcer
            Why do we need an imperialist prostitute called archeology.

            laughter with laughter, but historians sometimes get so overwhelmed that you puzzled over how this could be, can you explain to me how a person (Chingiz Khan) managed to convince quality workers knows how many years ago to radically change their way of life, how he first managed to put together an army of ~ 200000 , and then contain it, why did he not go to the end of Europe, why were there such willy-nilly concessions for the ROC from the "conquerors", as Alexander Nevsky, the defender of Orthodoxy and the Russian land, managed to fraternize with the son of the worst enemy of Russia and people like the mlna?
            and about archeology there is probably no more deceitful science than this
    3. esaul
      esaul 13 November 2011 18: 30
      0
      Alexey, I dare to suggest that you read V. Medinsky, if you have not read, of course, "Myths about Russia"
  6. snek
    snek 11 November 2011 09: 39
    -1
    I tried to find the origins of this Clinton speech. It can be found on several of our sites without any link to the source. However, Google does not give out anything similar to requests like "Bill Clinton speech JCS 25 October 1995" and the like (JCS stands for Joint Chiefs of Staff).
    Also, if you look closely (pay attention to) the speech itself, you can find funny moments, for example, Clinton calls the Warsaw Pact the strongest military bloc, which is rather strange for the AMERICAN President. On the whole, one gets the impression that the main task is to "troll" the Russian audience, and not to talk about something serious with the military leadership.
    Very much like a "duck"
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 11 November 2011 09: 52
      +1
      Seem to be. But you must admit to snek that the other events described take place in reality. And it would be very strange to assume that the amers did not discuss this. Does it mean that everything was stolen and the values ​​of people have changed?
      1. snek
        snek 11 November 2011 10: 22
        +1
        Well, in addition to this, the article, in fact, contains only two facts / events. The first is that many Japanese think that the nuclear strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were carried out by the USSR. I note that I also failed to find a link to a specific sociological study (I admit, I was not looking very seriously). Moreover, this is presented as a result of Western propaganda. This is so and not so. You will not find a single film, not a single more or less serious article or book (well, maybe except for very marginal ones) where it would be written "The USSR delivered nuclear strikes against Japan." On the other hand, the United States is doing everything not to focus attention on this. So among people who are not very well educated, there may be an opinion that it is really the USSR that is to blame for the bombing. They are simply transferring old atrocities to a country with which relations are now bad. It may well be that in 20 years China will be blamed for the bombing.
        Regarding the statement of the embassy - if this is an official statement, then there are proven mechanisms here - we demand an official apology.
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 11 November 2011 10: 59
          +2
          If Western films start with the Russians stole a bomb, or better - the Russians drag a nuclear weapon into a cube, this drunk bear in an earflap uses a nuclear suitcase instead of a pillow and missiles fly everywhere. It may look like ice.
          What's the excuse? Read the Harvard and Houston projects, study the activities of Brzezinski, WikiLeaks ... Russia is "Mordor", self-respecting "democrats" do not apologize to it!
          1. snek
            snek 11 November 2011 11: 34
            -1
            Well, cranberries have been and will be in works of art (primarily in films and games) made in the USA. It is stupid to be offended by her - because, as a rule, they take offense at the truth. Moreover, there are American films in which bombs are stolen from the United States (a broken arrow, for example). And just good American films that make fun of their society (for example, "Dr. Strangelove" / "Dr. Strangelove" and "The tail wags the dog" / "Wag the Dog").
            - The Harvard Project, as I understand it, the Harvard Project on the Soviet Social System is a series of sociological studies conducted among Soviet prisoners of war and stolen workers who ended up in the zone of American occupation after the end of World War II. Well, the desire to learn about the potential enemy as much as possible is a natural desire. I think we also tried to learn about them as much as possible (fortunately, part of the sociological information about American society could be obtained from open sources). Nothing good, of course, but things were going wrong during the Cold War.
            - The Houston project (which is, as I understand it, the new Harvard project). Mentioned frequently on our sites. Usually begins with the following words: "In the early 80s, Soviet intelligence managed to obtain materials from the so-called" Harvard Project ", which consisted of three volumes:" Perestroika "," Reform "," Completion. "
            It turns out that we knew about American plans almost ten years before their implementation and could not do anything? If so then shame and shame on us. Although in fact it is more like a duck.
            Wikilix and Brzezinski read. In the first one, they write a lot of interesting and hard-to-check questions. Well, the second just does not like us.
            1. Alexei
              Alexei 11 November 2011 12: 00
              +2
              And I am not offended by cranberries, I have all the rules with irony. If you think about it, then only our thirst for consumption is not like a duck, and then it can be challenged by saying that it was imposed on us. Do not look for confirmation. Without polling the Japanese, this is a duck) And so watch the video "stupid Americans" where people on the street are asked questions, it's funny. After watching, you can wrap up this article abruptly ...
              1. desava
                desava 11 November 2011 12: 36
                0
                Recently, Vkontakte saw a video shot by students in St. Petersburg. Conducted a similar survey of Russians. It is a pity that there is no link. But the result is as lamentable as in the "Stupid Americans" you mentioned ...
                1. Denis
                  Denis 11 November 2011 12: 47
                  0
                  who would argue, without clips on every corner, it’s sad
                2. Alexei
                  Alexei 11 November 2011 14: 33
                  +1
                  I also saw this video. Only our gaps still were.
                  1. snek
                    snek 11 November 2011 14: 40
                    0
                    Do not judge whole nations by videos on the Internet
                    1. desava
                      desava 11 November 2011 14: 53
                      0
                      We do not judge. Statistics is a probabilistic science.
                      1. snek
                        snek 11 November 2011 15: 24
                        0
                        Quite possible)
                    2. Alexei
                      Alexei 11 November 2011 14: 54
                      +1
                      snek, to judge you need to find a confirmation link? You check, maybe it's a "duck"! Joke on the sources.
                      1. snek
                        snek 11 November 2011 15: 25
                        0
                        Quite possible)
                      2. snek
                        snek 11 November 2011 15: 30
                        0
                        Everything is possible wink Moreover, you yourself advised me to read the Harvard and Houston projects - so I read (the benefit of the time, it was rare, free) and shared my impressions.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 11 November 2011 11: 35
          +1
          Quote: snek
          many Japanese people think that the Soviet Union inflicted nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

          I also searched, nothing
    2. SeregaKep
      SeregaKep 16 November 2011 20: 35
      0
      "Clinton calls the Warsaw Pact the strongest military bloc, which is rather strange for the AMERICAN President"
      nothing strange - there are several options for motivating just such a statement
      1. NATO had the only real and naturally the most powerful adversary - the Warsaw Pact
      2. to flatter your own pride, like "oh, how powerful they are, but we are more powerful than once they won!"
  7. desava
    desava 11 November 2011 10: 47
    +6
    And that the result is obvious ... Sober, not burdened with emotions and conviction, but full of ambitions, the cynical mind of a Westerner gave results. The ability to lead, in the sense of leading the masses of the West, is admirable! Evidence of my words is not even required - just look at what is happening in the world ... The aggressor is now a poor, kind, peace-seeking party (I still can’t move away from August 2008). Soon, Dresden will be assigned to the Union ... This will continue until the West once again gets its bite with its fist! Our brother needs an ideology like air.
  8. Surg
    Surg 11 November 2011 12: 31
    +4
    But for normal people, it was no secret that the United States has always believed and will continue to consider us enemy number 1, and the right Russia has taken a course in ruin. People are thrown a bone from time to time (we remember the people), and the vast majority still believe that the United States wishes us and the world only happiness and is waiting for us everywhere, with our current course we go where America needs. And after the Second World War, the United States realized that Russia could not be taken by force, there is a longer, but effective way, and it practically worked.
  9. fellow misha
    fellow misha 11 November 2011 12: 53
    +1
    They are there in Japan from our cartoon cheburashka indulge, all subsequent Pokemon, etc. are the descendants of our eared, well, they can’t throw so cute bombs, but seriously, the Japanese know very well who killed 140 thousand Japanese in August 45, the Pindos ambassador only this year deigned to appear at the annual memorial ceremony dedicated to this tragedy
    1. arhipelag
      arhipelag 11 November 2011 16: 03
      +1
      and they’re all there, from Dostoevsky smile
      1. Azazel
        Azazel 11 November 2011 18: 41
        0
        And from our UAZ.
    2. Azazel
      Azazel 11 November 2011 18: 40
      0
      And from our UAZ.
  10. bubla5
    bubla5 11 November 2011 13: 05
    +2
    The United States is the most asenitic state in the world, and our media and television, and maybe top management, are constantly setting an example of life from this shit
  11. zavesa01
    zavesa01 11 November 2011 16: 28
    +1
    I would like to add a little about Japan from my own observations. If somewhere in the world there is a state in which nationalist ideas are also strongly expressed, then I do not know it. Japanese people aged 65 and over cannot start a conversation in English, they just won't talk to you! They have a wary, not negative attitude towards Russia. Yes, we fought with them, but we fought HONESTLY, and in every yap the spirit of a samurai is alive. Sorry, but for ordinary Japanese, honor is not an empty phrase. You can join the ranks of the outcast, "yakuza", simply by trying to live beyond your means. Some kind of Indian caste, but you can take a higher position quite officially thanks to your own talents. As for the relationship between the Japanese and amers, everything is much simpler here and is expressed at the level of ordinary citizens in two words "quiet hatred". We are most likely not destined to fully understand the east. They say about Japan that one can either love it or not love it. Regarding their smiles to the whole world: in Japan there is a proverb "To kill (recognize) the enemy, make him your friend"
  12. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 11 November 2011 18: 29
    +2
    The same LITL tops. When I see, hear or read something like that, my teeth ache from impotent anger. And the most disgusting thing is that nothing can be done, and this is not my business by and large. These issues should be dealt with by the government, and it has created a committee of some kind with the catchy name "Committee for Countering the Falsification of History", you can’t break the hell out of it, so what? And that's all. They say: history should be dealt with by historians, not politicians. They, of course, will get together to talk, maybe even argue and that's it. Meanwhile, our sworn "friends" are fighting for the minds of young people. OUR youth. It has been said for a long time and is true: "a people who do not know their history has no future." I apologize if the quote is not entirely correct.
  13. Smilodon
    Smilodon 11 November 2011 18: 30
    +1
    Here you do not stop to go nuts over their shamelessness. There is such an expression, they say, the bolder the lie, the easier it is to believe in it (somehow). This see that case
  14. patriot64
    patriot64 11 November 2011 21: 21
    +1
    No comment ... I want to blow up all of America with their democracy! Let the bison again breed on the prairies, and even they have nowhere to live from democracy!
  15. maksim
    maksim 12 November 2011 00: 29
    0
    the wool stands on end after reading