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India intends to buy frigates built at Kaliningrad's Yantar

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Three patrol ships (project 11356), which is being built at the Yantar plant in Kaliningrad, are likely to be sold to India, reports MIC with reference to the Indian ambassador in Moscow, Pundi Raghavan.




Yesterday Raghavan visited the factory, examined the ships under construction and discussed the issues of their further construction.

“India will make every effort to resolve issues related to the supply of engines for frigates under construction in Kaliningrad,” the diplomat said.

Earlier, a source at the Yantar plant reported that it was possible to conclude a contract for the supply to the Indian side of the frigates Admiral Butakov, Admiral Istomin and Admiral Kornilov, whose further construction is complicated by the refusal of Kiev to supply power plants for them. ” The Russian engines, he said, will only be ready by the end of 2017.

“India could agree with Ukraine on the supply of engines for these frigates, if a decision is made to purchase them. Certain consultations of the parties on this issue have already passed. Moreover, the power plants have already been manufactured by the Ukrainian side, since Russia paid for this work before the aggravation of relations over the Crimea and the Donbass, ”the source explained.
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  1. Now we are free
    Now we are free 23 September 2015 12: 52 New
    +12
    Hey Hey! The news is certainly nice, but still ... They’re just under construction and they’re already being sorted out like “Armada-bulimia” like cakes, has it opened? Yes, this is money, yes this is further replenishment of spare parts from Russia and, accordingly, again money for the Russian Federation. BUT the situation in the domestic fleet with modern ships is not terrible, but very tense especially in the Far East and the Northern Fleet (in the Baltic and the World Cup it seems to have begun to straighten, but to straighten, to say nothing of dominance ...) and then sell to you .. .
    I repeat, the news about the purchase of our weapons is pleasant, BUT not for the fleet, and even more so now in the period of understaffing / rearmament.

    P.S. You look soon Indians will start to buy thoughts from us, since today ships that are still under construction are looking with such appetite ...
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 23 September 2015 12: 56 New
      +9
      Yes, let them take it! Decide with the engines! And then we go back to the "gratuitous leasing" laughing
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 23 September 2015 13: 03 New
        +4
        Money is certainly needed, but it’s a pity to sell something ... I still have hope, the junta will be merged ... So it can’t go on forever?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 23 September 2015 13: 18 New
          +6
          Extreme degree of naivety. The only alternative is the real junta from "Ukraine Ponad mustache and mo kalyaku to Gilyaka right now, where you find there to hang."
          1. aktanir
            aktanir 23 September 2015 13: 30 New
            +8
            it can be seen that the decision to sell was made very difficult, because our fleet themselves simply urgently do not have enough new ships. and apparently the engines are the Achilles heel of our manufacturers. In this case, Ukraine, together with America whispering to it, won this round, postponing and dragging out the long process of reconstructing the Russian fleet. I hope that the revenge will be worthy and Poroshenko-pug grabs in this game to the fullest.
        2. avt
          avt 23 September 2015 13: 22 New
          +9
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Money is certainly needed, but it’s a pity to sell something ..

          It's a pity, but what to do - 11350 had to be mortgaged earlier.
          Quote: MIKHAN
          .I still have hope, the junta will be merged ...

          In the best case, we get ONE for the fourth. And so, new turbines and their own will go to 22350.
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Just a feature is that priority is given to the development of engines for modern and more powerful frigates 22350. And God forbid that by 2017 the first ones are available.
          I’ll clarify - FIRST. So if we really agree on the money and the Indians will break the turbines under them for “Dawns”, this is a very wow option.
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    2. monah10
      monah10 23 September 2015 12: 59 New
      +19
      At least so. Money will turn around, people will get salaries, workers and engineers - experience and qualifications. And when we finish the construction of these ships for India, we will begin to build engines for ourselves that have already been modernized and under ITS (I want to hope so). and putting ships against the wall so that they rust is stupid. So that's it.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 23 September 2015 13: 10 New
        +9
        Just a feature is that priority is given to the development of engines for modern and more powerful frigates 22350. And God forbid that by 2017 the first ones are available. So the 11356 line will not reach soon. The easiest option, the remaining 3 to complete for the Indians, and “Amber” to go on the construction of frigates 22350, with already mastered, at this point, new engines.
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 23 September 2015 13: 13 New
        +3
        Well, it’s good for us, but we need to see what the State Department says to dill, because for them, every little thing is geopolitics.
    3. armageddon
      armageddon 23 September 2015 13: 13 New
      +1
      Hmm ... India joined the BRIGS and Russia is selling arms to ALLIES !!! Everything is just fine-beneficial to both us and the partners !!!
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 23 September 2015 13: 16 New
      +12
      The problem there is different, the timing of domestic power plants is taking ships to 2022 +. .

      Saturn pledged to deliver the first USC unit by the end of the 2018 year. The first few years there will be an 1 kit (2 turbine and gearbox) per year.

      Engines are waiting for 2 frigate 22350 (Golovko, Isakov). And these are their native turbines.
      For 11356, you need to shaman and remake the COGAG scheme in CODAG or put on the 1 frigate - 2 turbine kit.

      So count - 2018 year will receive a set of Golovko, 2019 Isakov, 2020 + will receive 11356. After receiving at least a year for completion and testing.
      1. Manul
        Manul 23 September 2015 14: 25 New
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        The problem there is different, the timing of domestic power plants is taking ships to 2022 +. .

        Saturn pledged to deliver the first USC unit by the end of the 2018 year. The first few years there will be an 1 kit (2 turbine and gearbox) per year.

        Engines are waiting for 2 frigate 22350 (Golovko, Isakov). And these are their native turbines.
        For 11356, you need to shaman and remake the COGAG scheme in CODAG or put on the 1 frigate - 2 turbine kit.

        So count - 2018 year will receive a set of Golovko, 2019 Isakov, 2020 + will receive 11356. After receiving at least a year for completion and testing.

        And from whom can we urgently order and buy engines? hi Is there any country where one could get hold of them from under the floor?
      2. Sailor
        Sailor 23 September 2015 17: 14 New
        +2
        It is regrettable to admit this, but you are 100% right, and the Navy needs ships not even today, but yesterday.
      3. severyanin
        severyanin 24 September 2015 00: 03 New
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        For 11356, you need to shaman and remake the COGAG scheme in CODAG or put a frigate on the 1 - 2 turbine kit

        You do not put two sets of turbines in this hull - simply because on all of our gas turbine ships there is a division into mid-flight and afterburning gas turbines - they are different in power, type and weight and size characteristics. Those. you need to put two different types of engine. And the power plant of the M7 (M7K) type on the ships of the 1135 project is very successful in itself, so I think it migrated practically unchanged to the 11356. In general, I consider it a big mistake to decide to equip diesel-gas turbine units with more powerful and larger frigates of the 22350 project, they should definitely only have turbines!
    5. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 23 September 2015 13: 45 New
      0
      It seems to me that Mr. Raghavan gives out the wish for the reality, or that the journalists again translated the wrong thing.
      1. avt
        avt 23 September 2015 14: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
        It seems to me that Mr. Raghavan gives wishful thinking

        Well no. Really stingy leads in search of opportunities to strengthen their Navy, but then this incident turned up - to continue a series of ships already in service, which they had already tried in practice in the ocean. Ehhh! If they had laid 11350 earlier and instead of 22380 ........ Already dozens of people in the ranks would have been ...... offensive, annoying, but okay - the Indians would take
        Quote: monah10
        At least so. Money will turn around, people will get salaries, workers and engineers - experience and qualifications. And when we finish the construction of these ships for India, we will begin to build engines for ourselves that have already been modernized and under ITS (I want to hope so). and putting ships against the wall so that they rust is stupid. So that's it.
    6. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 23 September 2015 18: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Now we are free
      I repeat, the news about the purchase of our weapons is pleasant, BUT not for the fleet, and even more so now in the period of understaffing / rearmament.
      P.S. You look soon Indians will start to buy thoughts from us, since today ships that are still under construction are looking with such appetite ...


      Iskander, but is it better that they will stand against the factory wall for how many years, since we really do not have our own turbines. And by the time they appear there will be a question about their obsolescence. Plus, how much money will be spent on preserving and maintaining in good condition while the turbines are waiting.
      I think, all the same, the "Indian" option is the most optimal in this situation.

      That's all the same like that. what
    7. Vanya Ivanov
      Vanya Ivanov 23 September 2015 21: 24 New
      0
      with whom will there be a war where will frigates of such a level be needed? all powerful powers have nuclear weapons or are in blocs or alliances. and we shall push the petty statehood. Well, where can they be applied, but experts?
  2. fox21h
    fox21h 23 September 2015 12: 53 New
    +1
    Let Ukrainians go by the forest, in a few years we will release them ourselves, or maybe earlier. By helicopter engines, the question has almost been closed and here we will close. The point is to negotiate with them, tomorrow they will catch the wedge and again the problems are not only with the new delivery and with the components.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 September 2015 13: 21 New
      +7
      Well, Rogozin and Saturn promise to surrender the first to USC before the end of the 2018 of the year. it promise.

      There is still a big question at the Stand. Without a stand, no engine will be delivered. The stand was originally slowly built by the 2020 year. Now it is being forced to trial operation until the fall of 2017. At the stand, the head turbine will be twisted for a long time. So if the stand floats in time, then the turbine too.

      Plus production - the first 2-3 of the year will be the 1 kit (2 turbines and gearbox) per year. Already now the turbine is waiting for the 2 frigate 22350 + Kasatonov hopes that the burned turbine from Gorshkov will be restored.

      After receiving the turbine at the plant, the completion and testing phase is at least a year.
  3. Tor5
    Tor5 23 September 2015 12: 53 New
    -1
    It would be very nice! Yet India is a half-ally.
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 23 September 2015 13: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Tor5
      It would be very nice! Yet India is a half-ally.

      They are half-packers, not half-allies. And ours, and yours - and eat the fish, and not to choke on a bone. Although, in their place, I would have thought deeply before dealing with Ukraine - they did not differ in particular commercial responsibility, but now ...
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 23 September 2015 13: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Penetrator
        thought before dealing with Ukraine

        what?! chairs in the morning, money in the evening! laughing
        I didn’t understand one thing: these are not the 11356 that should have gone to the Black Sea Fleet ???
        1. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 14: 28 New
          0
          Quote: silver_roman
          Quote: Penetrator
          thought before dealing with Ukraine

          what?! chairs in the morning, money in the evening! laughing
          I didn’t understand one thing: these are not the 11356 that should have gone to the Black Sea Fleet ???

          Those, those! Exactly those for the Black Sea Fleet
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 23 September 2015 13: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: Tor5
      It would be very nice! Yet India is a half-ally.

      A good decision, and by 2017, pr. 22350 may already be working out and production will be launched at Yantar and the Severnaya Verf shipyard can be swung at that time with a destroyer.
    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 23 September 2015 13: 11 New
      +1
      It would be very nice!

      It would be nice to sell all six frigates 11356 to the Indians, and build only 22350 for themselves. But given our pace of shipbuilding ... sadly, in a word sad
  4. tomket
    tomket 23 September 2015 12: 53 New
    0
    How to look - import substitution is in full swing !!!
    1. avt
      avt 23 September 2015 13: 25 New
      0
      Quote: tomket
      How to look - import substitution is in full swing !!!

      And no matter how you look at it, one turbine on Zora, A Saturn, before 2017, will not flare up, and then ONE.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 23 September 2015 13: 32 New
      +6
      How to look - import substitution is in full swing !!!

      As it was in KVN:
      - And they found a solution - import substitution !!!
      - And what does this term mean?
      - ... well, so far only a word has been invented

      laughing laughing laughing
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 23 September 2015 13: 59 New
        -1
        Quote: Wiruz
        well, so far only a word has been invented

        And if oil rises in price and the sanctions are lifted, it turns out that they only suffered in vain.
  5. vladnn2015
    vladnn2015 23 September 2015 12: 53 New
    0
    It will be good if they buy! Money now, oh how we need! It is a pity that Ukrainian workers will not fall for engines! Although, if the second time they sell, then ....))
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    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 23 September 2015 12: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: vladnn2015
      You look and Ukrainian workers for engines a little fall!

      Quote: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/08/oskengines/
      The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) is going to sue Ukraine for refusing to supply gas turbine engines (GTE). This was reported in the press service of the corporation.

      "USC intends to demand from the Ukrainian side the execution of already paid contracts for the supply of gas turbine engines in court"

      Is it not for these engines? Point them already paid.. ABOUT HOW belay

      PS:

      Quote: vladnn2015
      It’s a pity that Ukrainian workers for engines will not fall!

      Yes .. really .. the meaning has changed radically laughing

      Want to live - know how to spin ..
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 23 September 2015 12: 53 New
    +1
    Moreover, the power plants have already been manufactured by the Ukrainian side, since Russia paid for this work before the aggravation of relations because of the Crimea and the Donbass, ”the source explained.


    How much can you say ...

    when you deal with KIEV then money in the morning chairs in the evening ....

    or in the evening money in the morning chairs .... the only way.
  7. aviator1913
    aviator1913 23 September 2015 12: 57 New
    +6
    The normal idea, while we make new engines, it will be possible to build another 3 frigate ....

    It is easy to do import substitution in words, but in fact it is years of work, starting from the plant’s design, finishing with testing and testing new unproven engines. So let them sell, it's better than rusting on docks without engines.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 23 September 2015 13: 01 New
    0
    Moreover, the power plants have already been manufactured by the Ukrainian side, since Russia paid for this work before the aggravation of relations because of the Crimea and the Donbass, ”the source explained.


    It’s possible to make it, but where are they?
    Already driven to the metal and sold.
    "I’ll burn my hut so that the neighbor’s smoke gets in the way."
    This is the psychology of the entire ukronacist economy and politics.
  9. vovanpain
    vovanpain 23 September 2015 13: 02 New
    +12
    Let them sell until our movers come up there, new ships will be ready, and let the Indians bother with the Ukrainians.
  10. Wiruz
    Wiruz 23 September 2015 13: 04 New
    +2
    Not, gentlemen, you have already decided. They say that 6 frigates of project 11356 will be built for the Russian Navy, then they say that 5, then again 6, then 3, then no, all the same 6, but 3 of them with domestic engines. Now here again, the second three Indians are going to sell. request
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 September 2015 13: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Wiruz
      Not, gentlemen, you have already decided. They say that 6 frigates of project 11356 will be built for the Russian Navy, then they say that 5, then again 6, then 3, then no, all the same 6, but 3 of them with domestic engines. Now here again, the second three Indians are going to sell.

      If the Indians are telling the truth, the situation is as follows: the first 3 FR 11356 fleets will receive by 2017, 3 more of the previously laid fleets will leave India (so as not to occupy a place near the walls waiting for domestic gas turbine engines), and in return 3 new 11356 will be laid (so as not to break the debugged series), which will bring to readiness for the deadline for the start of deliveries of domestic gas turbine engines. In principle, it is logical - until 2018, the second three 11356 would still hang out against the wall.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 23 September 2015 13: 14 New
        +6
        the fleet will receive the first 3 FR 11356 by 2017, another 3 of the previously laid off will leave India (so as not to occupy a place near the walls waiting for domestic gas turbine engines), and in return 3 new 11356 will be laid (so as not to break the debugged series), which will bring to readiness for the deadline start of supply of domestic gas turbine engines. In principle, it is logical - until 2018, the second three 11356 would still hang out against the wall.

        If you solve the problem with engines, then build 11356 there is no sense at all. Only 22350 / 22350M! bully
  11. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 23 September 2015 13: 06 New
    +4
    Well yes. Could be so. and the frigates to the Indians and the shipyards will work, and by the time we have mastered our power plants, continue to do the already modernized series. Tolika of common sense is present here ... winked
    And you can scroll with the Egyptians in the same scenario. Do not remove equipment, let down the price as much as possible, and then re-buy them repeat Although they already give us a fuck lol ren not needed smile
    Everything is possible, it would be only desire and brains! hi
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 September 2015 13: 30 New
      +2
      Egypt buys the fleet in France, or rather they buy it. Now the delegation of the Egyptian Navy and the government with the representatives of the sponsor in France has entered a decisive stage on the Mistrals.

      France has already delivered its FREMM from the presence of the Navy in Egypt and is building a new one for Egypt.

      Egypt might not even be willing to get hold of Caliber, but sponsors and allies have already divided the weapon pie.


      This is an unscientific fantasy about re-purchase - for the final recipient signs. Violation of the country does not beat the outcast, but the markets are all closed for sure.
  12. Wiruz
    Wiruz 23 September 2015 13: 09 New
    +4
    No, I’m sure to grab the minuses right now, but it's time to shoot Chirkov (commander in chief of the Navy, if anyone does not know). Only knows how to feed "breakfast" hi
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 September 2015 13: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      No, I’m sure to grab the minuses right now, but it's time to shoot Chirkov (commander in chief of the Navy, if anyone does not know). Only knows how to feed "breakfast"

      Since when is the Navy Group responsible for the shoals of industry?
      There was infa that ours could knock out a few more ordered gas turbine engines from Nikolaev before deliveries were cut off - but it was necessary to work the same. And Chirkov disentangles the consequences: "we have no other industry for you". And so he was able to achieve the unprecedented: the industry (specifically UDMZ) recognized its cant with materials for diesel engines:
      Naturally, the quality is lame in all diesel engines. The Commander-in-Chief is right, no one can deny that quality must be raised.

      Another thing is that it would not be worth voicing all the preliminary stages in the development of affairs with frigates. Would make a final decision - and would say about him. On the other hand, when the seemingly final decision was made to "lower and mothbaldle," the Indians were not yet interested in these buildings.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 23 September 2015 13: 26 New
        0
        Since when is the Navy Group responsible for the shoals of industry?

        The Navy GC is responsible for the fleet, and here, so to speak, "the patient is more likely dead than alive."

        Of course, now there is an excuse, they say, it's all Outskirts is to blame. And who is to blame for the fact that building the fleet, we were so dependent on a foreign supplier? Who prevented investing in domestic engine power? In the same Saturn, for example?

        Tomorrow, God forbid, we will quarrel with Belarus and remain without the S-400. Tell me again the guilt of our "military managers" will not be?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 September 2015 13: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Wiruz
          Of course, now there is an excuse, they say, it's all Outskirts is to blame. And who is to blame for the fact that building the fleet, we were so dependent on a foreign supplier? Who prevented investing in domestic engine power? In the same Saturn, for example?

          Does the fleet itself have to invest? Or should it still be public policy?

          The fleet can only register in the statement of work "GTD production Russia." In response to that, Saturn will calmly roll out the Nikolaev GTE, since they are formally produced by the domestic ZAO Turborus.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 23 September 2015 13: 34 New
        0
        One set could, from the second three they drove him away at the stand even when Fedorych was legitimate. Then, against the background of the mess, there was a delay, then in the first days of the Crimea it was possible to pull it out, but apparently the contract delivery time was waiting. As a result, they waited.

        The rest could not be pulled out entirely; they were in production or staging. Only 1 kit stood for shipment.
  13. sub307
    sub307 23 September 2015 13: 11 New
    -1
    Basic TTX frigate

    Displacement, t:
    Normal - 3830,
    Full - 4035,
    Length is the greatest (by KVL), m - 128,4 (115),
    Width is the greatest (by CVL), m - 15,2 (14,2),
    Draft, m:
    on KVL - 4,2,
    medium (at normal displacement) - 4,64,
    maximum (at full displacement) - 6,8,
    GEM
    The main turbo gear M7.1E - 1 GGTA,
    Maximum power on shafts at ambient temperature + 15 - 2XXNNUMX 28 l / s
    Full speed, knots:
    at outside air temperature + 15 ° - 30,
    at outside air temperature + 40 ° - 28,
    Navigation distance economical course (14 knots.) With the largest fuel reserve, miles - 4850
    Crew, pers. - 220 (plus 20 marines),
    Autonomy on reserves stocks, days - 30,
    weaponry
    Shock
    PCRK Club-N "- 1х8,
    Ammunition PKR 3М54E - 8,
    Anti-aircraft
    PU ZRK "Shtil-1" - 1,
    Ammunition SAM 9M317E - 24,
    3M87 Kashtan SPECIALIST - 2,
    Ammunition SAM - 64,
    Ammunition 30-mm shells - 6000,
    MANPADS “Igla-1E”, pcs. - 8,
    Artillery - A-190E
    Anti-submarine
    533-mm DTA-53-956 - 2x2,
    PU RBU-6000 - 1,
    Aviation - Ka-28 or Ka-31.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 23 September 2015 13: 16 New
      -1
      PU ZRK "Shtil-1" - 1,
      Ammunition SAM 9M317E - 24,
      3M87 Kashtan SPECIALIST - 2,
      Ammunition SAM - 64,

      And cheating is not good!
      9M917 there are not 24, but 36 missiles. This is the first.
      Secondly: Chestnuts were replaced with AK-630

      Well, plus everything, all weapons without an “E”
      hi
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 September 2015 13: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        Secondly: Chestnuts were replaced with AK-630

        Well, plus everything, all weapons without an “E”

        If the Indians go for export, there will be an “E”.
        Yes, and "blowtorches" for such a customer can be replaced with some kind of "Shell-ME".
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 23 September 2015 13: 37 New
          +2
          Indians have a bauble - some thread Cut + Barack. By the way, they are dissatisfied with ZIRAM. And the rockets have already been removed from the first batch - ZAK today.
  14. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 23 September 2015 13: 26 New
    0
    but will not the Indians be too bold?
    They would take and help us. Like a little something, so “Russia is brothers for ages”, and as far as matters are concerned, everything is at once apart.
    And on the other hand: "to want - does not mean to be able to."
    To me this whole epic with the sale of nuclear submarines and ships to the Indians reminds me: "Shoemaker without boots." We ourselves have a shortage of ships and nuclear submarines for the fleets; we still allow others to buy our ships, or even rent them.
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 23 September 2015 13: 29 New
    0
    the Indians will not go anywhere, but I am inclined to think all the same: I will not sell my “cow” to anyone, I myself need such cattle ...
  16. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 23 September 2015 13: 37 New
    0
    Yeah. As in that saying: both want and prick.
    I hope that the Indians are now rearming simply at an unbelievable pace? But this is a rather big country. Moreover, taking into account the fact that no one really arises against them, they do not impose sanctions. The State Department generally seems to have forgotten that such a country is on the map - no statements or curtsies. Question: with what aim do Indians take frigates, knowing in advance that there are problems with the power plant?
    Maybe again some non-public agreement works. If so, then yes, we can hope that ours and their leaders know what they are doing.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 September 2015 13: 41 New
      +1
      Zora business sell turbines a second time, even at a discount. Plus, there are no sanctions in India - the Indians will sign the final recipient and receive turbines.

      Moreover, India already buys turbines at Zora, for example, for the destroyers of the 15 project.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 23 September 2015 13: 54 New
        +1
        By the way, why not try the scheme how Ukrainians do with our gas: through the same Indians, buy engines for our ships with an extra charge to the intermediary while our gas turbine engines are in development? and spit on all contracts in terms of "do not transfer to 3 parties"!
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 23 September 2015 14: 39 New
          0
          India depends on external suppliers. A gross violation of the “final recipient” will jeopardize all MTC contracts. For example, Americans will stop supplying GE and Ratheon stuffing for the fleet under construction. Do Indians need it?
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 23 September 2015 16: 58 New
      -1
      Americans hope to push 1300 million Indians and 1500 million Chinese. Therefore, the Indians themselves arm and calmly look at their purchases from us. We are reconciling Hindus and Chinese, and we are dragging them into organizations — SCO, Brix. But the states hope that sooner or later territorial and other disputes will prevail and the Asian war will begin.
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 September 2015 13: 44 New
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    On the one hand, of course, it’s a pity to give the ships, for there aren’t enough of their own. And on the other hand, they have nothing to rust on the balance of the plant at the pier. Especially if there is a chance to build newer ships for yourself.
  18. Engineer
    Engineer 23 September 2015 13: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Since when is the Navy Group responsible for the shoals of industry?

    It’s even funny to read. In your MO only moves soldiers on the cards? They determine the development path of the Army and Navy and knock out money for this from the Ministry of Finance. We need Armata - they made up TT, ordered, paid, tested - buzzing. Therefore, the Civil Code must understand what the Navy needs and achieve this. There would be a coherent policy and industry adjusted to it. And we see German and Finnish diesel engines, and Ukrainian GTE. This is shortsightedness, this is the Fleet’s dependence on foreign supplies. You can not do it this way.
  19. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 23 September 2015 18: 48 New
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    Yes, it doesn’t need Russia, the Navy. There was a delay with the turbines, okay, after three, five, ten years they will be made. Do not get used to it. Something took longer than the slipway. And here again these vile Indians with their raking hands and greedy eyes. Ugh, be they wrong. No bottom for them, no tires. And ours from the military-industrial complex have already sung in unctuous voices. Let them sell their mother, but they will not touch the frigates. They will saw the money, and then the new ships will be no earlier than 25-30 years! What, isn’t it? So we will, like Ukraine, to fulfill ocean tasks on Mnev & K products.
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 23 September 2015 18: 55 New
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    I don’t know whether Indians and Ukrainians will be able to agree or not, but the turbine producing plant seems to have covered itself with a copper basin. I worked at a similar plant, they stopped once and all ........... were left alone
  21. Kuzyakin15
    Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 18: 59 New
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    Don’t be so upset that we are our “wise captains, very smart”! They will sell the frigates to the Indians, they will stick pieces of 5-8 RTOs “Buyan-m” for this money and under-corvets or yachts with guns pr.22160 and everything will be ice! And the frigates will be, as they are built, somewhere around the year 35-40.
    The other day, the forum scoffed at the Ukrainian Navy. But admitting to ourselves, is the Black Sea Fleet much better than Ukrainian, Bulgarian, etc. D? Auuuu .... caperanges, admirals, drops and other midshipmen, explain to us with clown and civilian shpak that this is not so and what the fuck is!
    And then patriotism on the forum and hatred with childish optimism recalls the situation in the country on the eve of the Second World War.
    Oooo ... they also shouted that they were the coolest, we would fight on foreign territory and in case of war the German proletariat would throw off the yoke of fascism. But in fact, where did they roll back? Would history repeat itself?
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 23 September 2015 20: 54 New
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      At the expense of hat-making. If everyone throws a hat exactly at the indicated point ... About 140 million people ... from each hat ... what a protective shaft it will turn out !!! laughing No offense, just a good mood. hi
  22. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 September 2015 23: 56 New
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    Sorry, a great series would have turned out. Reselling India is probably the only way to get money back for engines already paid. By the way, it is not a fact that the Indians will succeed in this feint, Kiev does not lose anything in case of failure, incl. how Washington will decide how it works.
  23. Raptor_RB
    Raptor_RB 24 September 2015 04: 48 New
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    The news is VERY unpleasant for me personally. She even took annoyance. Even the mood fell in the morning. These guardians are so lacking for us, just not in a fairy tale to say. And we them - India. Well, not everything can be sold, after all. It is necessary to think about us. Pancake.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 September 2015 12: 50 New
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      Quote: Raptor_RB
      The news is VERY unpleasant for me personally. She even took annoyance. Even the mood fell in the morning. These guardians are so lacking for us, just not in a fairy tale to say. And we them - India. Well, not everything can be sold, after all. It is necessary to think about us. Pancake.

      The problem is that our fleet will receive these ships no earlier than 2018-2019. Until this time, the "second three" FR pr. 11356 will stand at the wall without engines.
      During this time, Amber could pass it to the Indians and build a new "third three" 11356 for our fleet for domestic gas turbine engines.