New Russia: to be or not to be? MGB. "Boys, you will be whose?"

Probably, everything is simple: the power of the people should be able to protect this power. Undoubtedly. For, even in the distant past, one Ulyanov-Lenin said a clever thing: "Any revolution is only worth something if it can defend itself." And time has confirmed this more than once.


Can we call what is happening the last year and a half in the LDNR revolution? Full As if all the signs are there. And there are structures in both republics capable of defending this revolution.

However, lately, the honesty and sincerity of these structures causes doubt, if not concern, then unequivocally. So I want to ask the question: "Boys, you will be whose? Who leads you into battle?" And most importantly - with whom, that is, against whom?

In fact, the MGB of the DPR has become a punitive-roofing authority, in Donetsk everyone knows. Yes, to speak out loud about this is not accepted, because firstly, I want to live, and secondly, to live in freedom. How to DNR come with dissent? There are more than enough examples. Yes, dictatorship in the conditions of war with an aggressor is a necessary thing. And also historically justified.

Stop. Dictatorship. And then democracy and other attributes?

In general, it is necessary to decide to begin with, what do we have in the DPR - dictatorship or people's power? Yes, some examples of people's power seem to be present. Parliament (though “if necessary”, capable of spitting on the constitution), elected deputies by the people ... Tin, in one word.

Over the past year, the authorities of the DPR seemed not to notice anything special in terms of building a state. To say that nothing was done at all is, of course, impossible. The army, the Ministry of State Security, a bunch of ministries and departments were created, and some of them (for example, the Ministry of Health, culture and social protection, sports) even quite successfully started working. There are enough examples too.

However, the legal system, in addition to the prosecutor's office, is absent. Prosecutors have. And there are organs of investigation. That's all. There is no legal profession, no courts. The number of those under arrest, according to some information, has exceeded 5 thousands. And no movement.

So dictatorship? Backed by the work of the security forces, so that no one bawls? Sample beginning of the last century in the RSFSR? And what, it seems. And parallels can be found car. With the Cheka RSFSR. Why then the courts and the defense? Troika delivered a verdict, was taken to the courtyard, and the deed was done.

So far (I will underline this word) in LDNR have not reached it. And the arrested are just sitting. Are waiting. Either when all the same the courts will earn, or when they will lead to the courtyard. In the yard - cheaper. And, unequivocally, in the spirit of those who constitute "the shield and sword of the young republic".

The DPR MGB (and the LNR is no different in particular) pursues the policy of "who is not with us is the one in the basement." Organized and clear. Yes, some information reaches us, but, again, it concerns mainly famous people who cannot be hidden in a bag. But even with such people, the MGB copes quite well. Examples - yes, please.

Granovsky where? Was released and urgently left? So much so that during the day they cannot find anyone willing to talk with fire? Filippova? Kalusky? Well, okay, God ordered the last one to be planted.

Roman Manekin, former adviser to Zakharchenko? 2015 has been sitting since May for going against Kofman and Pushilin. For an attempt to organize the collection of signatures for the removal of Pushilin from office. Where Pushilin, we now know, but where Manekin - still the question.

Sergey Desyatnichenko. Military correspondent of the RPA. "Missing" in the center of Donetsk 7 September 2015 of the year. And then from the place where he distributed humanitarian aid, he “disappeared” and his Volkswagen TIGUAN with the number AN9810KX. And here we start from this place with details.

If you closely followed our reports from the DPR, at the beginning of this year, the abbreviation RPA (Russian Orthodox Army, part of the DPR Republican Guard) already flashed through the materials. Then it was connected with the abduction of journalist Dmitry Gau. We were one of those who made a fuss, as a result of which Dmitry “found”. Found, despite the fact that the version of the DRG SBU all very welcome in Donetsk.

In both cases, both from Hau and from Desyatnichenko, a certain Anatoly Topaz emerges. Person, very odious in Donetsk. It is on Topaz that both kidnappings are hanged. And not without reason. In the case of Desyatnichenko, it turned out that at the moment Sergey is in one of the cellars of Zakharchenko, where he was taken by his people for personal reasons. Namely, for a series of critical speeches about everything that happened in Donetsk on September 4.

According to the latest data, the following characters took part in the abduction: Pitbull, Murchik and Chuck, and led the operation ... Topaz. Whose, in fact, "guard" of the above organisms and are.

So, who is this Topaz, who is really scaring people?

Started his record Anatoly in the "Oplot". Head of Security. Post considerable, and the confidence of the commander of the "stronghold", respectively. When the commander went on increasing, Topaz did not forget either. And he gave him the post of head of the security service of the formed Republican Guard (we translate - the internal troops).

After the incident with Gau, in which the role of Topaz was proved, his conflict with Verin (“The Fifth”), acting president, arose. WG commander at the time, because Kondratov (Vanya "Russian") was treated after a severe injury. Result - Verin was arrested by the MGB and spent a month 4. Topaz got off with two weeks of house arrest.

Not only Russians don't abandon theirs, yes.

Next, Topaz was appointed head of the security of the Donetsk TV and Radio Center. And in this position did not stay long. Journalists are scandalous brethren and do not forgive scuffles. And cases of attempts to "build" and the use of physical force has accumulated so much that Topaz "left."

Where do you think the brave security specialist was after all the collisions?

That's right, in the MGB DPR.

Moreover, there are persistent rumors (no one will say directly, no fools are there) that Topaz enjoys the full confidence of the Spaniard. Also a personality remarkable in many ways.

Many sources on the other side say that the Spaniard is the one who leads the MNB of the DPR. Here, of course, the Donetsk people have to take their word for it, since it is just silly to demand the provision of any documents or other evidence.

In general, the MGB of the DPR is headed by Lukashevich, but, according to many reviews, it is headed in much the same way as Antyufeev did. "But it would be better to leave Antyufeev" - several people told us at once. It was under Lukashevich MGB, on the one hand, skyrocketed in terms of organization and personnel, on the other hand, constant conversations began on the topic of utter lawlessness on the part of the staff of this service.

And now - the Spaniard. There is information that the Spaniard is very similar in appearance to Yuri Mikhailovich Isaychenko, born 1959, a retired lieutenant colonel, a former colleague of Lukashevich and Kulyab.

“Kulyab” - he also very much resembles one person, about whom we will write a little later. Just his activity lies in a slightly different plane. But a person who is very similar to “Kulyab” is also listed as a colleague of Lukashevich. And also "in conjunction" for good reason.

But back to the Spanish. Once in the MGB, he, quite obviously, formed his team. Which is engaged in exactly what eliminates unwanted. By any means. Topaz turned out to be quite on the topic, for the abduction is his strong point. As well as his team members were useful.

Information that the whole brigade successfully fit into the so-called TSS (center of special operations), of course, would require verification, but ... Then he and TSS, so that no one about him really knew anything. True, sometimes the information slips. For example, the arrest of Purgin was personally led by Lenin, the head of this TsSO. These are the "special operations" carried out by this center ... Where there is a DRG of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to drive, there are more important tasks. Especially since for the most part the references to the work of the VLT of the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not stand up to criticism as the work of the Shadows. All that unites the "Shadows" and the DRG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a myth that has no reality to reality like Bednova and the Brain relation.

Just in the DNI work thinner. Although there are punctures too. Like, for example, in the photo from the rally in Donetsk, which 12 dispersed in September, the Volkswagen Transporter, in which several brave young men communicated with correspondents without presentation of any documents, hit the lens. Allegedly on behalf of the MGB. And the actual members of the MGB had nothing against it.

Remarkably, this Volkswagen and its owner, the entrepreneur Shevchenko, have been on the wanted list for more than two months. One - as missing, the second - as stolen. And now the car was in the hands of what seemed to be “titushki”, but working with the approval of the MGB. Original layout.

If we analyze in general the statements of the Pitmen against the MGB, the picture is sad. There are more than enough whispered conversations about spinning, landing and lawlessness. And the structure seems to be doing what? Obviously not abductions of objectionable. We are mostly mostly adults and we understand that the emergence of the DRG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, kidnapping people in the center of Donetsk, is as likely as the DRG of the DPR corps in Kiev.

This we have not yet addressed the question of a fair number of our fellow citizens who are in the MGB under various pretexts. Not as employees, I see. Preliminary data from various sources are so overwhelming that they require both clarification and evidence. But we will definitely return to this topic as soon as we have a complete picture of what is happening.

So the question arises: "Boys, whose will you be?" Who leads the lads into battle is more or less clear. The second question is for what purposes.
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  1. strelets 22 September 2015 06: 42 New
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    They try to catch a fish in troubled water. Apparently a natural process. Everywhere, as soon as the power weakens, bandits and thieves climb out of the cracks.
    1. marlin1203 22 September 2015 09: 39 New
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      And at any historical turning point, political foam, along with ideological fighters, throws up adventurers and dreamers, criminals and demagogues, in general, all those who, as a rule, do not find themselves in the daily routine, are extraordinary people. This is a natural process. Nothing, here the power will be established, statehood will be determined, these guys will take off their camouflage, grow “tummies”, dress in Italian costumes and be indistinguishable from ordinary bureaucrats. All as usual.
  2. rotmistr60 22 September 2015 06: 43 New
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    "Lads, whose will you be? Who is leading you into battle?"

    Guys, Domokl, Banshee, I always read your articles with interest. Moreover, they are written, as they say on the living. But lately I drew attention to the fact that with each of your articles you are laying a grain of doubt for those who do not visit this region. Personally, as a thinking person, the question arises - in connection with what?
    1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 06: 48 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      the question arises - in connection with what?

      Due to the fact that the hell knows what is happening there, and it is not clear how it will end.
      1. zubkoff46 22 September 2015 20: 26 New
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        They explained it clearly. We wait.
    2. Irbis 22 September 2015 07: 35 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      the question arises - in connection with what?

      At least so that some hotheads would think well before flying headlong to fight for the DNI and the LC.
    3. vladek64 22 September 2015 10: 15 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Guys, Domokl, Banshee


      And whose will you be, Domokl, Banshee?
      Knowing what is happening in the LDNR, you so persistently use the word Novorossiya in relation to them that it is not clear how to understand your criticism.
      It turns out that with the negative from LDNR you compromise the idea of ​​Novorossiya. (Precisely an idea, since real New Russia does not exist in reality).
      Maybe you should figure out the names so as not to cause unnecessary associations in people?
      1. Gardamir 22 September 2015 10: 31 New
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        idea of ​​Novorossiya.
        So historically, Novorossia is a territory from Odessa to Kharkov. So by June 2014, in this sense, the idea of ​​New Russia had died. There is another meaning to this: Gubarev, Tsarev, Strelkov, Bezler, Mozgovoy, Purgin, now you understand that this idea is no longer there. Nobody understands what is happening there, so be careful with slogans and assessments. The only thing I propose to call this territory is not the LDNR, but simply Donbass (including Donetsk and Luhansk).
        1. vladek64 22 September 2015 20: 33 New
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          Quote: Gardamir
          The only thing I propose to call this territory is not LDNR, but simply Donbass (including Donetsk and Lugansk).


          That part of Donbass that will not be offended by Ukraine?
          And it turns out that they are no longer the Donbass ...
      2. domokl 22 September 2015 11: 55 New
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        Quote: vladek64
        And whose will you be, Domokl, Banshee?

        Yes, we are there ... I get a salary in dollars, and a Banshee in oiras ... And a bonus in hryvnias ... Why hide that ... And we’ll compromise the idea specifically for this ..
        there is only one but. Not all people are someone. And an idea cannot be compromised if it is an Idea. And we will not turn a blind eye to five hundred of our people in the basements of the LNR and DNR. There is no such idea for which we need to kill others. There are ideas for which you can die yourself ...
        1. Tanais 22 September 2015 12: 33 New
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          . And we will not close our eyes to five hundred of our people in the basements of the LPR and DPR


          Oh ...

          Something is not noticeable anymore, Skomorokhov’s articles about the "human rights corporal languishing in the dungeons of the LPR", as there was no "continuation" of his angry articles about the militia, which the Baltic states wanted to give ...

          And in both cases, Roman swore, swore that he would not leave it like that, would write somewhere and to someone ...

          Wrote? Where are the results?

          I suspect that Roman is only PR on such materials, quickly cooling them.
          That's right, not the same, the rising star of Russian journalism, for a long time to procrastinate the worked out material.

          1. older 22 September 2015 13: 27 New
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            Quote: Tanais
            I suspect that the novel is only PR on such materials,

            I wonder why he needs it. I’ve been here for almost 4 years and have been reading his materials for a long time. and about volunteering, including. I think he has enough fans and so on. Yes, and probably no less friends.
            But I even noticed your attitude to him today ... it’s not nice to say directly ... Why don’t you write yourself? If I’m not a writer, I’m discussing articles and not authors .. And today you don’t have comments, then Skomorokhov’s personal almost insult ... Why would this be?
            1. Tanais 22 September 2015 13: 40 New
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              Quote: older

              I wonder why he needs it.


              Moderator, soul-guy, this is one thing ... And a journalist, and even an analyst and investigator in one person, are new horizons for him.

              Here explain to me why, from which budun, or whose task, one of your fellow moderators elevated domokl or Banshee to the rank of fighters who fought with us?

              The first one, which is under 70, or the second one which, except on trips with humanitarian aid, is not seen? That's one of them belay ?

              And so the legends forge ... PRgreat power yes .

              And yet, answer the question that "gnaws" me "can not" ...

              Who of the moderators appointed by the vote of users, almost against his will?
            2. Tanais 22 September 2015 14: 17 New
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              .And today you don’t have koment, it’s almost an insult to Skomorokhov ... Why would this be?


              Come on, come on, show me where I invaded the "personal", and even more so inflicted insults?
        2. larand 22 September 2015 12: 34 New
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          [quote = domokl]
          Yes, we are there ... / quote]

          Lord there. If in your opinion Ulyanov-Lenin is someone, then you have not gone far from those who demolish his monuments.
        3. dmb
          dmb 22 September 2015 12: 50 New
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          Almost all people sooner or later receive insight. As smart (without irony), dear authors, it has already arrived. But some still "forbid to laugh during the reconstruction period", - Ilf and Petrov about gnawing. More than once he asked the question, where did the money for the maintenance of the "army, ministries", and other attributes of the state come from. Clearly, I did not hear a clear answer. When the USSR supported Cuba, of course socialism was built there. Now there is practically no socialism anywhere, and from which budun the capitalists in power will finance the construction of a nation-state? Well, only if it is to some extent and to some extent beneficial to them. So the ideological ones at the head of the republics are not needed; the faithful are needed.
          1. older 22 September 2015 13: 31 New
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            Well, only if it is to some extent and to some extent beneficial to them

            I agree. I’m not sure of the accuracy of the numbers, simply because it’s taken from the speech of one of the great leaders of the DPR, but the Donbass costs Russia about 37 million American money a month, this is about paying pensions and other things. A decent amount is enough to throw it away just like that. . (The figure according to Khadakovsky).
        4. vladek64 22 September 2015 20: 30 New
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          Quote: domokl
          And an idea cannot be compromised if it is an Idea.

          And can you tell us about this "Idea"?

          And then no one can really tell what exactly is this New Russia. Someone talks about the territory, someone about the "socially-oriented state" (to know what else it is), someone even starts talking about the "Russian World". In general, not an idea but a complete fog.

          A year ago, I asked, but FOR WHAT people are fighting and dying. In response, I heard stories that the people are fighting AGAINST Bandera, that once there is no discussion to breed, “we will win then we'll figure it out”.

          Alas, there can be no victory without understanding what you are fighting for. It just won’t technically work out - it will be impossible to determine whether it is a victory or not. And five hundred of your people in the basements will not be able to answer for what they suffer there.

          Not against what, but FOR WHAT!
          1. elenagromova 22 September 2015 20: 33 New
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            I can say what the struggle is for. For the right to live. For the right to speak in their native language. For the right to wear the St. George Ribbon. For the right to honor veterans. For the right to lay flowers at the monuments without fear of being beaten for it. For the right to wear a T-shirt with the inscription "USSR". For the fact that people are not driven into the building and set it on fire. In the end - for Life itself ... That's what ...
            1. vladek64 22 September 2015 20: 43 New
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              You list the external manifestations of a certain social system, and I’m trying to understand what ideas and principles this system will be built on. wink , and by what forces.
              No one can answer this question. So there is no understanding of what exactly the people are fighting for. Are people really fighting and dying for the oligarchs to continue to rule the Donbass?
              Yes, in order to stay at the helm of Donbass, the oligarchs will allow you the Russian language, and the St. George ribbon, and a T-shirt with the inscription USSR. Just do not meddle in their affairs and do not interfere with them doing their gesheft.
              And you think this will make your life better?
              1. Good me 23 September 2015 08: 24 New
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                Quote: vladek64
                You list the external manifestations of a certain social system, and I'm trying to understand what ideas and principles this system will be built by wink, and by what forces.
                No one can answer this question. So there is no understanding of what exactly the people are fighting for.

                So, do not fight them, since you do not see the idea? Wait when they come and cut?

                And just do you think that in the Donbass, in isolation from Russia, they will be able to build some kind of special system, different from ours?

                I will not be mistaken if I assure you that the system will be exactly like ours ...
                1. vladek64 23 September 2015 18: 01 New
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                  Quote: Good I
                  So, do not fight them, since you do not see the idea?


                  And what to fight (kill people) is unknown for what?

                  Quote: Good I
                  I will not be mistaken if I assure you that the system will be exactly like ours ...


                  It may not be. What, for example, is the social system in Transnistria? A gray area where concepts are not at work? How is it in the DPR now?
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        5. vladek64 23 September 2015 21: 01 New
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          Quote: domokl
          Yes, we are there ... I get a salary in dollars, and a Banshee in oiras ... And a bonus in hryvnias ... Why hide that ... And we’ll compromise the idea specifically for this ..


          And I seriously asked ... I thought maybe you have an idea and a team around it.
          But since you laugh it off, it looks like neither one nor the other ...
  3. Tatarname 22 September 2015 07: 32 New
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    Quote: strelets
    They try to catch a fish in troubled water. Apparently a natural process. Everywhere, as soon as the power weakens, bandits and thieves climb out of the cracks.

    Why should we weaken? When was there strong power? Initially, there were a lot of groups, with people with a dubious past. Only a common enemy united. And the principle of the goal, as elsewhere, is more power and money.
    1. Kilo-11 22 September 2015 08: 17 New
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      "... people with a dubious past ..." who have enjoyed and enjoy our support, alas. I hope the authors, in their future articles, will express their opinion and tell why the Ukrainian security forces, who hailed from Donetsk and Lugansk, have become en masse to join the power structures of the DPR and LPR. According to the stories of my friends in the LPR, the Ministry of State Security, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office is already teeming with such defectors, and not just deserters, but people who fought on the side of the Ukrainian Nazis for about a year.
      1. Tanais 22 September 2015 08: 24 New
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        Quote: Kilo-11
        "... people with a dubious past ..." who have enjoyed and enjoy our support. I hope the authors, in their future articles, express their opinion and tell why it suddenly Ukrainian security officials who come from Donetsk and Lugansk began to infuse to the power structures of the DPR and LPR. According to the stories of my acquaintances in the LPR of the MGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor’s office is already teeming with such defectors, not just defectors, but people who fought on the side of Ukrainian Nazis for about a year.


        Does this not remind you of the processes that took place in the RSFSR, and later in the USSR, during which, after the civil war, the "old regime cadres" poured into the organs of internal affairs, state security, the Red Army?

        But in many ways, this process was caused by the “personnel hunger” that the young Soviet state was keenly experiencing ...
        1. Banshee 22 September 2015 09: 33 New
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          Quote: Tanais
          This process was caused by "personnel hunger", which the young Soviet state was acutely experiencing ...


          Totally agree with you. And in the RSFSR came so much that then 10 years planted and shot. But now the times are somewhat different, do you agree?
          1. Tanais 22 September 2015 10: 43 New
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            Totally agree with you. And in the RSFSR came so much that then 10 years planted and shot. But now the times are somewhat different, do you agree?


            No, I do not agree. This is in your Russia, peaceful Russia, "other times" ...

            And I am grateful to those militias who in that year completely eradicated drug addiction and drug mafia. Shooting those hucksters who did not understand the words, and dropping the drug into the trenches.

            Yes, the methods were tough, but justified. Will you still reproach us for the "37 year"?
          2. older 22 September 2015 12: 09 New
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            Totally agree with you.

            It's weird. You Roman either do not see hidden enemies, or you deliberately liberalize. To be honest, to compare the revolution of the beginning of the last century in Russia and a century later in Ukraine is stupid. Coups have completely different goals. And do not talk about executions. This is not a political fight, but a simple criminal showdown
            1. Banshee 22 September 2015 13: 15 New
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              Quote: older
              You Roman either do not see hidden enemies, or deliberately liberal.


              Not intentionally. Yes, this Odessa patriot Tanais is my enemy. But with him, I agree in the aspect that it has become so much rabble in the LDNR that it is quite comparable with the beginnings of the last century with Russia.

              Quote: Tanais
              Will you still reproach us for "37-th year"?


              You? And what do you have to do with the trenches? Where could you be seen?
              1. Tanais 22 September 2015 14: 08 New
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                You? And what do you have to do with the trenches? Where could you be seen?

                Is it really about trenches, or did I say somewhere that I fought?

                But about you with domokl, really, in VO legends are already being described as fighters of the DPR (LPR?) ...

                Where did the rumor come from? Where and how did it “originate” if it came from circles close to the site’s administration?
        2. def89 22 September 2015 09: 37 New
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          Maybe staff starvation, but back in June the Donchans were waiting for the Russian specialists to come and put things in order.
          1. Tanais 22 September 2015 09: 44 New
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            Maybe staff starvation, but back in June the Donchans were waiting for the Russian specialists to come and put things in order.


            And now we are waiting. Let someone believe that the "Vikings" in power is humiliating, but really, the main order is ...

            That is why, the Russian politicum does not want to take complete control of political and other processes?

            After all, there is one factor that is undoubtedly COMPLETELY, “From and To”, controlled from Moscow ...

            I'm talking about cash injections (and very large ones) in the Donbass ...

            Opponents, of course, may object that this is not so ...

            What I want to answer in advance: Ha-Ha ...
        3. Kilo-11 22 September 2015 15: 24 New
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          Personnel hunger, you say, just a direct speech of Mr. I. Plotnitsky. Then please explain this example, two reserve officers of the RF Armed Forces left the army after the 2nd campaign, commanded the MCR, have combat experience, came to the LPR as volunteers, and were eventually used there in the role of ordinary shooters, they didn’t even trust the squads, then one knowledgeable person explained to them that the local cadres were given priority. One in one story with a border guard officer. These were the times of the formation of the Lugansk corps. My other comrade, the same reserve officer, commanded its time is the MSBT, in the military registration and enlistment office of Donetsk we said we do not take officers. How can you explain this? . Commandant Izvarino with the call sign, it seems "1th", in the pre-war life a trivial smuggler who was at odds with the laws of the Russian Federation. As my acquaintances at the LPR Ministry of Internal Affairs say, there are even former punishers / of another word I can’t pick it up / from “Aydar.” In one of his interviews, ataman P. Dremov mentioned that the Stakhanov’s department of the MGB is essentially the Stakhanov’s department of the SBU. the commander was a native of the Bolshevik Party, and the chief of staff, yes from the Imperial Army, but not as a former soldier of the Volunteer Army of General A. Denikin. In my opinion, the comparison is not successful about the "old-regime cadres". And about, as you put it, " peaceful Russia, "just in case, my country has been flowing smoothly from one war to another since at least 105, except for other military conflicts such as, for example, Korea, Vietnam, Angola, etc. Tell me, then it was the USSR , and now the Russian Federation, two different countries, but there is no Russian Federation, the only country from the former Soviet Union, which officially declared that it is the legal successor of the USSR.
          1. radar1967 22 September 2015 15: 30 New
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            Clean people do not know how to do dirty work. And they shouldn't. Clean and correct in dirty business will be terribly unlucky. And they themselves will suffer and destroy others.
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            As far as I know from history, the cadres of the separate corps of gendarmes did not serve in the Cheka, and in the Red Army, as a rule, the commander was a native of the Bolshevik party

            You know a bad story, young man! Very bad. You can say you know newspaper articles
            1. Kilo-11 23 September 2015 17: 56 New
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              And you probably took a personal part in the formation of the Cheka and the Red Army ?! And in general it is not for you to judge whether I know history badly or not.
  4. Stauffenberg 22 September 2015 08: 23 New
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    I wonder where the curators are looking. Although they themselves have no order.
  5. elenagromova 22 September 2015 08: 37 New
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    That's about Manekin - he is definitely at liberty and in the DPR, continues to work.
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    2. Good me 22 September 2015 08: 48 New
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      Quote: elenagromova
      That's about Manekin - he is definitely at liberty and in the DPR, continues to work.

      Hello, Elena. Your opinion on this issue, for members of the forum, would be extremely interesting, if only based on the fact that you are in Donetsk (am I not mistaken?), And the authors write about what is happening "remotely", relying in many respects (if not in everything) on ​​" insider "information that is possible, as a source, to verify and verify for reliability.

      If possible, clarify the issue in more detail, with your view ...
      1. elenagromova 22 September 2015 08: 58 New
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        There is such a journalist, Roman Manekin, who, while in the DPR, began collecting signatures against Denis Pushilin. For this, they acted severely. But here it says that he has been sitting since May. And he had long been released. I saw him at one of the events, most recently. The journalist continues to work on the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic. That is, at least one of the characters mentioned in the article is absolutely all right.
        Roman's page can be found on Facebook.
        1. manekin 23 September 2015 13: 42 New
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          Of course, I am free. As well as Alexey Granovsky. This is easily proved by the many months of activity in the FB (here, by the way, is the reaction to your article: https://www.facebook.com/rvmanekin/posts/1122718627756656?comment_id=11227413744
          21048 & offset = 0 & total_comments = 6¬if_t = feed_comment).
          Yes! - I was arrested. Yes! - for organizing a petition for bringing to criminal responsibility Mr. Pushilin. In connection with the proposed amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine (these amendments violated the Constitution of the DPR). The case ended with the Pushil and Deignoj officially, throughout the world, withdrawing these amendments. And I - yes! - went through certain tests.
          And of course it wasn't May.
          In general, we need to work harder, colleagues! Small lies breeds great distrust!
          Note Elena, I'm not a journalist at all. In the sense that he worked very little in the media for money. Rather, a publicist. I.e. I express my own point of view in different editions (and not at all the position of specific editions). I don't get money for this. They publish because they are more or less well-known in Ukrainian subjects (I have been doing it in various positions for almost a quarter of a century).
          Yes! I have journalistic crusts (member of SJ Msk, incorrendor under the DIP of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation), but I practically do not work in publications: I don’t need it anymore. Long! ;-)
    3. Tanais 22 September 2015 09: 03 New
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      Roman Manekin, former adviser to Zakharchenko? 2015 has been sitting since May for going against Kofman and Pushilin. For an attempt to organize the collection of signatures for the removal of Pushilin from office. Where Pushilin, we now know, but where Manekin - still the question.


      So, how are you, the authors perceive? As artisans-handicraftsmen who took up their own business and make it "Tyap-Lyap", or provocateurs seeking to harm the Donbas?

      "Sitting Manekin", this is your "puncture", gentlemen ...

      What about the rest of the information about the "figurants" of this and other articles? Does she also need to check?

      The bile of your articles, in relation to the DNR-LNR, begins to lead to vague doubts ...

      Quote: elenagromova
      That's about Manekin - he is definitely at liberty and in the DPR, continues to work.

      Hello, Elena.
      1. Banshee 22 September 2015 09: 41 New
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        So, how are you, the authors perceive? As artisans-handicraftsmen who took up their own business and make it "Tyap-Lyap", or provocateurs seeking to harm the Donbas?


        As you wish. This is your own business.

        Quote: Tanais
        "Sitting Manekin", this is your "puncture", gentlemen ...


        You think so? laughing So they just took it and pierced it?

        Quote: Tanais
        What about the rest of the information about the "figurants" of this and other articles? Does she also need to check?


        You are welcome. As well as you can check the unpublished information about the cordoning off of the NA building on the night from 4 to 5 September. And about the fact that in front of the building they urgently put a pair of chargers. Check. And tell us. And then everything will be clear on 100%.
        1. Tanais 22 September 2015 10: 02 New
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          You are welcome. As well as you can check the unpublished information about the cordoning off of the NA building on the night from 4 to 5 September. And about the fact that in front of the building they urgently put a pair of chargers. Check. And tell us. And then everything will be clear on 100%.


          And what is supernatural about this?

          After all, you "swallowed" the shooting of your own parliament? And we will put up with "zushki" ...

          The “hot moments” you grabbed from the general context do not in any way reflect the general picture of thorny but state building.

          And you would help him, and not add the used oil to the fire ...

          No, you have chosen the path of crap, systematically, carefully ...

          PS: And in general, checking your SOME articles on ЕТТТ "Anti-plagiarism" showed a result that was not pleasant for you, as an author ...

          Next, check? Up to 100%?
          1. Banshee 22 September 2015 13: 10 New
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            And in general, checking your SOME articles, on Etht "Antiplagiat", showed not pleasant for you, as the author, the result ...

            Next, check? Up to 100%?


            Forward. How much you want. The opinion of a person posing as a resident of the DPR, while his ah-pi indicates that he is leaving Odessa, does not interest me in any way. You are lying here to everyone, posing as a kind of Novorossiysk, and who is paying you for your cries — I do not understand.

            Or maybe you agree to go through a little test yourself? With real journalists from Donetsk? It can make a difference.
            1. Tanais 22 September 2015 13: 30 New
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              Or maybe you agree to go through a little test yourself? With real journalists from Donetsk? It can make a difference.

              Again, your favorite "horse", which "jump" when the arguments end ... Odessa ... laughing
              Such a "test" is true over the phone, passed. And without your initiative.

              But your articles, not just one cause me claims in terms of sincerity of intentions (opinion of Luhansk)

              After reading in the articles of the novel about the "lack of at least hands to unload
              car, "thought that a man is trying for our people, in winter 2015 in
              PM offered him "their hands."
              I think it’s clearly going through Izvarino. I'll be picked up in Krasnodon. Riding
              unload, on the way back home, drops me off in Krasnodon. Me
              culturally otshit. Then for what the hell was complaining about the lack of VO
              hands? In general, a rather muddy "volunteer" ... Correspondence from the PM, in short,
              I will copy it later - from an android phone it is very inconvenient to do this.
              I have this email for communication, so you can give it to anyone. AND,
              if you are tormented by suspiciousness, you can quote all my messages to whom
              anything, if in the message I DO NOT say about "preferably not
              spread ", etc.

              It would be nice for one or two people to join the Skype conference on
              VO radio with Bunshi and ask him some questions about the contradictions in
              his articles and comments. But after all, bastards, they will immediately cut down immediately ;-))

              Sergey, I apologize right away - I can’t answer for a couple of days. And I can, like today,
              almost immediately :-)
              Good luck.


              And this, what answer?
              1. Banshee 22 September 2015 13: 39 New
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                Yeah, already moved to Lugansk? Yes, no question, and there are people there. I kind of did not hear the answer.

                Who are you with what checks were there, absolutely does not touch me.

                I repeat, especially for dull from Ukraine.

                Are you ready to provide personal evidence that you live (I do not care) in the LC or the DNI? People who live and work there?

                It is on such terms that I agree with you to discuss and confirm or refute any nonsense that you are carrying here.

                And supposedly with a pensioner who lives in the Donbass type, but has an electronic tail from Odessa, who will post for days on the site, I will not mess.

                I do not hide anything, neither a name, nor a surname, nor a muzzle of the person. Here's how to follow these requirements, so we will say. Equally.

                In the meantime - sit, post, and get your retirement.

                By the way, who pays you to her, or is it also a secret, like your personality?
                1. Tanais 22 September 2015 13: 54 New
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                  Are you ready to provide personal evidence that you live (I do not care) in the LC or the DNI? People who live and work there?


                  Here, a fragment of correspondence with one, the same anxious comrade, all on the same occasion.

                  Don't make me expose you fool .

                  I will be able to prove, by facts, who I am and what, and you, in turn, will suffer unpredictable reputation losses, because you have to publicly apologize, you, unlike that comrade, I will not let go of the actual insults ...

                  let’s do it without rudeness ... you’re a supporter of this ... most importantly, I got what I want from you .. talked ..

                  I'm sorry, but by my second education I am an investigator and provocation is one of the methods and you went to my provocation.

                  Yes, I had doubts. for the most part you have dispelled them (I will not say what and how) .. although only one screen with the DNI seal was enough - for sure at least something you have from the papers

                  I repent and admit I was wrong .. I apologize to you .. I can publicly if you insist ... by the way XXXXXXXX - the name is real ...
              2. Tanais 22 September 2015 14: 49 New
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                And this, what answer?


                Quote: Banshee
                Yeah, already moved to Lugansk? Yes, no question, and there are people there. I kind of did not hear the answer.


                I understand the question is uncomfortable ...

                And what's more, leading you into a dead end by where I come from (Tanais), so much information about you ...

                I can upset you, this is only a fraction of what the light can see ...
              3. elenagromova 22 September 2015 15: 47 New
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                Such a "test" is true over the phone, passed. And without your initiative.


                I confirm. True.
          2. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 14: 58 New
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            And what is supernatural about this?

            You have "swallowed" the shooting of your own parliament, haven't you? And we will put up with the "zushki

            And what about the year 91 in the yard? And if so, so what are the claims? Or again, Russia should.
            Quote: Tanais
            And you should help him,

            Who, who, and the Banshee did more than anyone else on the website. You can tear off your jo poo and at least do something.
            Quote: Tanais
            No, you have chosen the path of crap, systematically, carefully ...

            Yes, you need to close your eyes and not notice.
            Quote: Tanais
            PS: And in general, checking your SOME articles on ЕТТТ "Anti-plagiarism" showed a result that was not pleasant for you, as an author ...

            Oops, how can you get the facts straight? Until I sent you a ban in the ban. There will be no facts, I’ll write to the administrator personally. That you would not be banned forever, but forever.
            1. Ruslan67 22 September 2015 15: 03 New
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              not forever, but forever.

              This is according to the principle, if the dead man is for a long time, and if d and o t then forever?
              1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 15: 06 New
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                This is according to the principle, if the dead man is for a long time, and if d and o t then forever?

                The second makes you think about the first in this case. I will say more to a colleague, here you can write a dissertation, the cases are unique
                1. Ruslan67 22 September 2015 15: 10 New
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                  here you can write a dissertation,

                  For posts on our site, you can compose a whole bibliography ... in psychiatry
                  1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 15: 19 New
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                    ..in psychiatry

                    About how many wonderful Caesars we have. The Internet is preparing the spirit.
                    1. domokl 22 September 2015 18: 08 New
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                      About how many wonderful Caesars we have. The Internet is preparing the spirit.

                      laughing Sanya ... And I'm already under 70 years recourse Imagine how I now frantically recall the years that have disappeared without a trace ... Indeed, the pan was completely mad at the lies fellow
                      In general, sometimes it’s useful to go to your own funeral .. You can read a lot of interesting things and even understand who is who ...
            2. Tanais 22 September 2015 15: 05 New
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              And what about the year 91 in the yard? And if so, so what are the claims? Or again, Russia should.

              Eh, novels, novels ...

              You would have to learn the history of your native state, and you wouldn’t have a price ...

              93-th year, as before gasoline was AI-93 ...

              Quote: Alexander Romanov

              Oops, how can you get the facts straight? Until I sent you a ban in the ban. There will be no facts, I’ll write to the administrator personally. That you would not be banned forever, but forever.


              I am sending to the "PM", but I will have to apologize for the "yap" if there is honor ...
              1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 15: 17 New
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                93-th year, as before gasoline was AI-93 ...

                At 93 it was impossible to get it. I remember that. And by the way 92
                Quote: Tanais
                I send it to the "PM", but for the "yap" I will have to apologize,

                Che ???? Proof of plagiarism in the studio -NOW!
                1. Tanais 22 September 2015 15: 23 New
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                  Che ???? Proof of plagiarism in the studio -NOW!

                  Already "rattled" by electronic paths to you in studio PM.

                  Explanations will be needed, please contact, I will be glad to help. hi
                  1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 15: 34 New
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                    Already "rattled", on electronic paths to your personal account in the studio.

                    There is complete crap, put it here
                    1. Tanais 22 September 2015 15: 42 New
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                      There is complete crap, put it here

                      What did Roman annoy you with? laughing That the incriminating evidence on him, incriminating plagiarism, is required to be revealed to the public.
                      In principle, I do not care.
                      But Skomorokhov, will he not take a fuss, and will not put me in a ban, as the author of a comment, so that he "ends in the water"?

                      Can you give such guarantees? Do you have competency?
            3. aleks_29296 22 September 2015 20: 33 New
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              And why was he banned, if not a secret? What website rule did he violate?
        2. manekin 23 September 2015 13: 44 New
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          puncture-puncture - do not hesitate! ;-)
      2. older 22 September 2015 12: 12 New
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        Here's how, you authors, to perceive?

        laughing I have not come in for a long time and I perceive them quite adequately. but the other author of the site, located in the DPR, ceased to perceive normally. How well she wrote about Syria, she’s so licky about DPR. Children's matinees, first-person visits to hospitals and more. Probably nothing negative is happening in Donetsk.
        1. Tanais 22 September 2015 12: 17 New
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          I haven’t visited for a long time and I perceive them quite adequately. but the other author of the site, located in the DPR, ceased to perceive normally. How well she wrote about Syria, she’s so licky about DPR. Children's matinees, first-person visits to hospitals and more. Probably nothing negative is happening in Donetsk.


          And you only serve chernukha ... "Fried facts" ... Sensations ...

          Elena, just understands the fragility of the situation, and acts from the principle of "do no harm."

          What the authors of the article, with their unceremoniousness, and point-blank is not observed.
          1. Banshee 22 September 2015 13: 11 New
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            And you do not read. We do not write for you, if that. And from Donetsk, real Donetsk residents, who are not attached, send information and thank.
            1. Ruslan67 22 September 2015 14: 43 New
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              Don't read.

              Novel! For a long time I want to ask, The first of September is long gone Easier?
              1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 14: 59 New
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                The first of September has long passed Has it become easier?

                Damn, why did I come here so late. I am sitting I don’t know where. And the Banshee is also dumb, he didn’t say a word.
                1. Ruslan67 22 September 2015 15: 00 New
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                  why did I come here so late

                  Better late than no one ...
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  . I sit not known where.

                  Did you learn from me?
                  1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 15: 02 New
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                    Better late than no one ...

                    Come on, enough is already Ruslan. Think you lost your virginity at 45 years old. Well, who doesn’t bvapet with.
                    Quote: Ruslan67

                    Did you learn from me?

                    Yes, I'm at 15 lnt
                    1. Ruslan67 22 September 2015 15: 05 New
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                      Think you lost your virginity at 45

                      What is this about? If about how I realized myself on September 8, then I actually 48 Why emoticons do not work !! ???
                      1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 15: 36 New
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                        If about how I realized myself

                        Napoleon return to the chamber.
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Why are emoticons not working !! ???

                        And you too ??? I'll give it to the fantast
                      2. Ruslan67 22 September 2015 15: 56 New
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                        Napoleon return to the chamber.

                        As you speak with the Emperor !!! Serf !!!
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I'll give it to the fantast

                        I thought only my buggy
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                        How do you talk to the Emperor !!

                        Your large-liter filling, but forgive me without a glass.
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        I thought only my buggy

                        Yes, you always have buggy
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                        forgive me without a glass.

                        Get better
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        you always have bugs

                        Do not press on the sick
  6. elenagromova 22 September 2015 15: 18 New
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    And what, it is necessary to write about one negative about the fighting and survived Donetsk?
    1. Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 16: 06 New
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      And what, it is necessary to write about one negative about the fighting and survived Donetsk?

      1. Donetsk was defended by the RF Armed Forces!
      2. The fact that not everything is so smooth there is a fact.
      3. There are many problems in Russia, will we be silent?
  7. RRR
    RRR 23 September 2015 10: 53 New
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    Well you give! Like Stirlitz comes out of the Reich Chancellery and starts yelling at the top of his lungs:
    It is impossible to live under the rule of this idiot Hitler! No rights and freedoms! You cannot publish an editorial from Pravda in a newspaper!
    Is the air of freedom intoxicating? Did you take away the consideration of the circumstances of this correspondent's life in Donetsk? Or do you think that a person "must die as Strelkov should have died in Slavyansk" for your Wishlist?
    Then go ahead to Donetsk, set an example or stop the tantrums.
  • Aleksander 22 September 2015 09: 01 New
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    To figure out who is right, who is to blame, will soon succeed, given the mess there. But in general, if Russia took these republics for itself, then there would not have been this mess. And in Crimea it would be the same, if not worse (considering the Tatar factor), if Russia would not accept it ......
  • Batia 22 September 2015 09: 33 New
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    In a civil war, there are no “right” ones. It is good for us to talk about the future of Donbass from the outside. But I began to be confused by the appearance of such articles when approaching the elections. Coincidence? Maybe. But give people peace and everything will work out.
  • Reptiloid 22 September 2015 09: 40 New
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    If the terminology of Elena Gromova is in another comment, then measles is measles. There may be complications. Recall also the formation of the USSR. Also Cuba, Chile, Egypt. Different options for the development of events. Thank you for the article. Information should be.
    Elena, these pigeons, roses from yesterday are constantly present. Thank you.

  • loaln 22 September 2015 10: 07 New
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    Everything that happens directly says that the card has already been dealt, beat and discarded. How unnecessary.
    And everything else ... So this is not our concern.
  • Reptiloid 22 September 2015 10: 30 New
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    I wrote poetry a long time ago, but I was ashamed. Because they are separated (in poetry). I draw a little, therefore, so doves and roses.
  • rosarioagro 22 September 2015 10: 31 New
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    Banditry usually ends with the arrival of a big business, or an emergency commission, it depends on what kind of system
  • seregggca 22 September 2015 12: 34 New
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    "So the question arises:" Lads, whose will you be? "Who leads the lads into battle is more or less clear. The second question is for what purposes."

    I live in Lugansk.
    So I think, in the end, .... What the hell are the elections in the LPR and the DPR? These choices are generally incomprehensible to us. Who to choose then? Re-Plotnitsky? or Pilavova? No other candidates and don’t know. Mess and Chaos.
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      I live in Lugansk.
      So I think, in the end, .... What the hell are the elections in the LPR and the DPR? These choices are generally incomprehensible to us. Who to choose then? Re-Plotnitsky? or Pilavova? No other candidates and don’t know. Mess and Chaos.


      Strange ... I live in the DPR, and not in the capital like you, and I know that the heads of LOCAL ADMINISTRATIONS, that is, mayors, heads of district administrations, villages, villages, councils will be elected ...

      The head of the republic, as he was elected, remains so ...

      Although, to be honest, until today I did not know who claims to be mayor with us. But acquaintances from Donetsk called and made it clear that the acting head of the city will act in the election, but nothing is known about the competitors, as long as it is.

      But there is still time, most importantly, not to sit around, but to be vividly interested in the processes taking place around.
      1. Banshee 22 September 2015 13: 06 New
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        I live in the DPR, and not in the capital like you,


        Why then check your ip stubbornly says that you crawl out of Odessa?

        How much can you listen to if you are stubbornly lying mostly? Yes, even here I ascribe plagiarism ... Start with yourself, grandfather. With myself.
        1. Tanais 22 September 2015 14: 35 New
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          Why then check your ip stubbornly says that you crawl out of Odessa?

          And why, then, you persistently "hooked" on the "IP from Odessa", poking it where it will come, if I am not mistaken, THIRD TIME in the discussions of this article?

          Snapped? Or didn’t they grow from the age when: “I want to know everything”?

          What a manic desire to know who and where from? Why should someone provide you with their personal data?

          In the rules of the site, this item does not exist, as it does not exist in the conditions of registration.

          If you have forgotten, then I remind you that registration requires only a REAL E-MAIL ADDRESS ...

          Everything else that you thought of yourself here, GRAVE ...
  • Plumbum 22 September 2015 12: 43 New
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    staff shortage ..

    I'm talking about cash injections (and very large ones) in the Donbass ...

    Ha-Ha ... [/ quote]

    ha ha so ha ha

    The Strugatsky brothers "where the gray rule, the black come to power" (from the novel "It's Hard to Be a God")
    What I mean. In my city, more than a dozen universities, in that technical university, which I teach hourly, 6 associate professors from the Donbass. And this is only in one university, and they do not want to go back, and not only because they shoot, but also because no prospects are visible. Well, there is none of her and with such rulers and will not be. This means that there will be no education in the DPR and in the LPR, but it’s easier to manage mankruts (Ch. Aitmatov "And the day lasts longer than a century") than educated, literate people.
  • Tambov Wolf 22 September 2015 13: 25 New
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    The question has long been clear, how the hell is Uncle Vasya, since the attack on Mariupol. Who rules, who sponsors, who buys and who benefits from it. It has been written a thousand times. One thing should be clear. Everywhere there are enemies of the Russian people and who the hell can refute it, Moreover, the bulk of the enemies come from "God's chosen". Real names, as well as the names of their relatives, are easily revealed in a search engine.
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    It seems to me that MGbeshniks of the DNR will sooner or later be shot by northern colleagues and comrades, like in the spring Cossack bandits with St. George's stripes.
    And yes, Bednov was by no means an innocent lamb; my uncle's colleague was sitting in his basement, an engineer of a trading network, they were ransomed for money.
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    So the question arises: "Boys, whose will you be?" Who leads the lads into battle is more or less clear. The second question is for what purposes.


    What question is this? FOR MONEY. There is a normal accumulation of initial capital for capitalism. People do their job and do not forget themselves. What did you want, all the more so since the Donetsk people were very famous in criminal circles?
  • denis02135 22 September 2015 16: 44 New
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    You are a strange people, thieves, no names, no surnames, only shameful clicks
    Gleb Zhiglov
  • Vladimir Vasilich 22 September 2015 17: 59 New
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    God knows what. Some cries, rumors, and flies. It is clear that the MGB is not a convent, but where did you see it differently? Live with wolves (SBU), howl like a wolf!
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    The article is some kind of nonsense I say as a resident of Donetsk and has a little information about the MGB. On the contrary, the MGB cleans the commanders engaged in the spinning and sale of humanitarian aid in the shops of the republic! Well, and accordingly, so that there is order in the country, someone must be shot! but they complain like Donchany, these are those who had illegal refueling, scrap metal collection points and the like scum!
    1. Zoilent 23 September 2015 13: 21 New
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      Come on wink Nothing in the article, absolutely nothing invented. I speak as a resident of Donetsk and who knows many of these personalities.