SAM "Strela-10МН" entered service armament BBO

The press service of the Ministry of Defense reports that the units of the Eastern Military District have received several Strela-10MN anti-aircraft missile systems. Information Agency TASS cites a statement by the representative of the information management of the country's main defense department:

More than a dozen combat vehicles entered service with motorized rifle formations of the BB, deployed in the Primorsky Territory.

The letter “H” in the name of the Strela-10MN air defense missile system speaks of the possibility of effective night offline sector search and target detection. The anti-aircraft missile system is used to shield military formations from airborne objects. Such objects can be not only aircraft, but also unmanned aerial vehicles, carrying out reconnaissance and flying at ultra-low altitudes. Effective "Strela-10MN" and against diving air objects.

Strela-10MN is a modernization of the Strela-10M anti-aircraft missile system. The Strela-10M complex was adopted in the USSR in 1979 year.

The strike zone of the Arrow-10МН in height is from 25 m to 5 km. The speed of an anti-aircraft guided missile is about 520 m / s. The speed of the complex on the highway reaches 60 km / h. The “Strela-10MN” air defense missile system is capable of overcoming water obstacles.

Comments

[Ze Kot]

"Letter" N "in the name of the" Strela-10MN "air defense missile system speaks of the possibility of effective night search and target detection."

And the radar at night could not detect the target? Is it dark and nothing is visible? Or was he asleep?


Or just put on the optical channel NVD?

[CTABEP]

There’s no radar on Strela, as it were, there are missiles with a thermal seeker, an optical channel, a radio range finder - and that’s all.

[Kent0001]

The simpler - the better, fewer possible failures (if that). And the topic of a deeply layered air defense system is developing, and rightly so.

P.S. Earlier in one of the branches, he wrote that our air defense system in a few years will be able to withstand the American system of global decontamination of non-nuclear strikes - again, they blundered. And this news only strengthened me in this opinion.

[Asadullah]

able to withstand the US system of global decontamination non-nuclear strike

Such a blow is possible, for example, by all countries for which Cyprus. The United States, even with NATO, is not able to develop such a density of fire. One preparation for this, can mobilize diplomats to convey to the enemy about the possibility of a preventive nuclear strike. What then? Will they be lucky? Or maneuver with a formidable face?

Air defense, this is good, this is one of the trump cards in the deck.

[Vasek]

Quote: Asadullah

Air defense, this is good, this is one of the trump cards in the deck.

A Strategic Rocket Forces - Ace trump.

[Darkmor]

Vague doubts torment me.
But is it necessary to modify this machine in principle?
MTLB base, which is considered obsolete.
The missile strike area is very small, comparable to MANPADS. Speed ​​is also not so hot.
It is not competitive with either the Top or Shell.

Missiles, separately, would be nice as part of other combat modules. But the whole machine as a whole? ...

[Magic archer]

I will answer. There are a large number of Strel in the troops. And in order not to write them off, we decided to simply upgrade them. It’s cheap and cheerful. It’s the cheapness and simplicity of this complex that keeps it afloat. And the Torah and the Shell

[Bongo]

Quote: Magic Archer

I will answer. There are a large number of Strel in the troops. And in order not to write them off, we decided to simply upgrade them. It’s cheap and cheerful. It’s the cheapness and simplicity of this complex that keeps it afloat. And the Torah and the Shell

"Arrows", however, like "Wasps" are really many more. But besides the modernization of the air defense system, the repair and modernization of their air defense systems is necessary. But with etm, not everything is smooth yet.

[Magic archer]

The wasps are removed. For what long. Not so long ago there was an article on their website here on their modernization. But as far as I understand, this is for foreign customers. Torahs are much stronger and not so long ago a new modification appeared
Pisi.Pro Wasps. After the documentation and the complex itself arrived in the United States, ours ceased to be considered as the main one, so Thor practically removed it from the army.

[Bongo]

Quote: Magic Archer

The wasps are removed. For what long. Not so long ago there was an article on their website here on their modernization. But as far as I understand, this is for foreign customers. Torahs are much stronger and not so long ago a new modification appeared

"By an order of magnitude" is 10 times, so be careful with mathematical terms "Wasps" do gradually disappear, but not because of low efficiency. Their production and the production of missiles for them was discontinued in the late 80s. Most air defense systems of this type have a critical level of wear. But most likely they will remain in the troops and "in storage" for the next 10 years.

Quote: Magic Archer

Pisi.Pro Wasps. After the documentation and the complex itself arrived in the United States, ours ceased to be considered as the main one, so Thor practically removed it from the army.

Not certainly in that way The development of the Tor air defense system as a multi-channel means of the regimental air defense began long before that. Unfortunately, the more complex and expensive "Thor" was released much less than "Wasp" and there can be no talk of a full-fledged replacement. Its role was played by the fact that the development of mass production of "Torah" coincided with the collapse of the USSR.

[Vanya Ivanov]

A Strategic Rocket Forces - Ace trump.
And God forbid ever to get it.

[Tusv]

Quote: Kent0001

Earlier in one of the branches, he wrote that our air defense system in a few years will be able to withstand the American system of global decontamination of non-nuclear strikes - again, they blundered. And this news only strengthened me in this opinion.

You think badly for air defense. The Americans have a better opinion of our defense, having appointed only 6000 carriers to suppress air defense, and the rest of the remaining thousand will already be a global blow. Only for this you need to come closer to all the mattress fleets at the same time and not noticeably. And this is nonsense.
But you're right, after a few years, minke whales will not be able to threaten even nuclear weapons

[Alexey-74]

in the Pentagon, the generals have already stated that if you discard the entire information chatter, then Russian air defense is the strongest on the planet .... it’s not for you to drive Bedouins in the desert ...

[Bongo]

Quote: CTABEP

There’s no radar on Strela, as it were, there are missiles with a thermal seeker, an optical channel, a radio range finder - and that’s all.

Not quite so, some of the vehicles are equipped with a passive direction finder (commander), which detects aircraft by emitting their radio systems. The platoon consisted of one combat vehicle with a direction finder (9A35) and three vehicles without a direction finder (9A34).

Compared to other domestic complexes, "Strela-10", when used correctly, has greater combat stability (if you do not use a range finder). The missiles have a passive seeker and there is no unmasking radar radiation factor.

[nonjumping]

Quote: CTABEP

There’s no radar on Strela, as it were, there are missiles with a thermal seeker, an optical channel, a radio range finder - and that’s all.

Still, there is a millimeter range radar on Arrow-10 - for determining the position of the target, which is clearly visible in the photo. Apparently, it means that in the modernized version it became possible to detect and aim at the target at night with the help of a thermal imaging channel, which, if necessary, increases stealth and noise immunity.

[Bongo]

Quote: non-jumping

There is still a radar there to determine the position of the target, which is clearly visible in the photo

Do not confuse radar and rangefinder. On "Strela-10" rangefinder , designed to define the launch zone, and not the target position.

[nonjumping]

Especially I found an article on this air defense system and here is an excerpt: "The zone assessment equipment (AOZ - millimeter-range radio range finder and computer) is designed to determine the target position and automatically generate lead angles for launching missiles. At a distance of 430-10300 m from the combat vehicle, errors in determining the range and radial velocity of the target do not exceed 100 m and 30 m / s, respectively, the boundaries (far and near) of the launch zone are 300-600 m, the lead angles for launching missiles are 0,1 -0,2 degrees. average". So it turns out that this radio range finder was used to determine the position of the target as well. I just mean not primary detection, but precise determination.

[Vladimir 5]

For the defeat of light UAVs, a cannon complex is needed, and for all occasions, because it looks really wretched ...

[VP]

The arrow has the main mode of homing missiles at the target optical-contrast. IC GOS works later and mainly on counter-catch-up courses. There are no radars there.
If it’s very rude, then this is a four-barreled multiply ATGM with a stronger missile. Not quite so, of course, but for a rough example it will.
If you made the night version, it means, first of all, you changed the homing head, provided the possibility of guidance without optical detection.

[Nord2015]

Quote: VP

If it’s very rude, then this is a four-barreled multiple-charge ATGM with a stronger missile

For me, it looks more like MANPADS, but not portable.

[Civil]

A separate "backlight" radar is most likely

[Basarev]

And when will completely new models come into service, and not a slightly decorated junk, which Khrushchev still remembers?

[Tor5]

I'd love to see this happen as soon as possible.

[opus]

Quote: The Cat

And the radar at night could not detect the target?

Was / is there a radar on the Strela air defense system?

25. this is a radio range fin antenna;

You will be surprised, but also on the 9M333 and 9M37 missiles (and modifications)

passive tri-band (optical infrared) IKGSN ...
and there is no RLGSN .... that's bad luck

[stavr550]

there should be hundreds and hundreds and then talk about it

[Bubulge Onote]

While some people are inventing new aircraft, others are inventing means to destroy them. So I see the advertising slogan "Now it has become even easier to shoot down civilian airliners!"

[Izotovp]

And I see another slogan: we came up with a new means of protecting our sky from enemy aircraft.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

This is not a "censor", dear.

[Mitek]

Quote: Bubulge Onote

While some people are inventing new aircraft, others are inventing means to destroy them. So I see the advertising slogan "Now it has become even easier to shoot down civilian airliners!"

Great! Offer this tagline to your hosts. To advertise CIA operations.

[Bubulge Onote]

It was they who proposed it.

[Darwin]

Well, you and complete g .... about. Looked at your comments inadequate. MINUS

[sabakina]

Bubulge Onote
Especially for you, directly from Paris!

[Themi30]

Hohland has no money to buy air defense, so it will not be easier, as you will, in the old fashioned way, with Soviet beeches.

[tupolev-95]

Bull-bul, but what without a flag? Dumb? So immediately the American hang or EES-do not be shy, burn, because soon the skulls and goodbye)))

[Tiamat2702]

Quote: Bubulge Onote

While some people are inventing new aircraft, others are inventing means to destroy them. So I see the advertising slogan "Now it has become even easier to shoot down civilian airliners!"

Where did this Ch.M.O come from?

[torp]

Why do you have a skull with bones on uniform? Are you a pirate?

[35lisment35]

Great news, but of course I would like not Russian, but Russian modern developments

[iliitchitch]

Quote: stavr550

there should be hundreds and hundreds and then talk about it

Not all at once. One thing is clear - a caravan is going on, we are pumping up bitsukhs, hiccups turn into chronic in all radishes, and what else does the self-sufficient

[ALEA IACTA EST]

The capabilities of the complex have expanded significantly. Now the adversary will be even more difficult to penetrate the sky of the motherland.

[roskot]

Again, the Yankees will cry. Every day, we throw new cookies to them.

[KBR109]

The hoary antiquity. This is not what we need.

[dsi]

Indeed, this is not a breakthrough! But, this is one of the steps to deep defense in depth. As Lewis Carroll said, to stay in place you need to run hard.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: KBR109

The hoary antiquity. This is not what we need.

So be it. The complex is really not new, but it does not mean ineffective. At a relatively low cost, they got the opportunity to work at night. This does not interfere with the production of the latest complexes. With periodically carried out modernizations, it will not go into the category of hopelessly outdated for a long time. And the stocks of missiles in the arsenals are rather big. We will save on disposal. And when Russia "wakes up fat" after replacement and sell (donate) to interested states.

[starshina pv]

Quote: KBR109

The hoary antiquity. This is not what we need.

I think all antiquity is fused to the Far East!

[KBR109]

Traveling thought. Evil and cheap.

[dvina71]

Yeah .. and Northwind there .. old old .. And the ancient S-400 .. also in the Far East ..

[Vasek]

Quote: dvina71

And the ancient S-400 .. also in the Far East

Well, how can you get them?
S-400 for other purposes, more serious and at a different range.
And Arrow - is used to cover military units, so to speak, the last frontier of defense. Well, like a bayonet-knife motorized arrow.

[demand1]

Great device! Almost like a Kalashnikov assault rifle, simple and reliable! And never misses, he watched somehow ...

[Anchonsha]

Yes, we have such air defense systems for a long time, but this air defense system has undergone a deep modernization and is capable of hitting low-flying targets, including at night. It is better to upgrade existing weapons than to buy new and expensive in this difficult time.

[KBR109]

And why is this time difficult? They began to steal immensely? And who is the doctor for us?

[31rus]

The main advantage and disadvantage of this complex is precisely the lack of radar, that is, secrecy, so that this complex is necessary, moreover, new missiles and modules are being developed on it, as described above

[Polite Moose]

Quote: 31rus

The main advantage and disadvantage of this complex is precisely the lack of radar, that is, secrecy, so that this complex is necessary, moreover, new missiles and modules are being developed on it, as described above

Imagine: anchor such a complex in the middle of a river, disguise it as an island, provide external target designation. What a surprise for the adversary. And when it works on purpose, raise the anchor also with the flow, changing the disguise to a pleasure boat.

[Vasek]

Quote: Polite Elk

And when it works on purpose, raise the anchor also with the flow, changing the disguise to a pleasure boat.

Only first you need to lure the target closer than 5 km.
Attacks in general are a fun idea.

[tatarin_ru]

As the "Armata" and "Kurganets" appeared with the ability to conduct combat at night, modernized air defense systems immediately began to appear with the ability to autonomously track low-flying targets at night.
I think soon we will see many more that will please the eye, including in the civilian sphere.

[dorz]

Quote: Asadullah

able to withstand the US system of global decontamination non-nuclear strike

Such a blow is possible, for example, by all countries for which Cyprus. The United States, even with NATO, is not able to develop such a density of fire. One preparation for this, can mobilize diplomats to convey to the enemy about the possibility of a preventive nuclear strike. What then? Will they be lucky? Or maneuver with a formidable face?

Air defense, this is good, this is one of the trump cards in the deck.

the Americans have already simulated such a blow on their "supercomputers." This will require about 3500 hypersonic missile launchers, which they do not have, and when they appear, they will probably have something to answer.

[TOR2]

Anti-aircraft missile system is used to cover military units from air targets. Such objects can be not only planes, but also unmanned aerial vehicles that carry out reconnaissance and flying at very low altitudes

Visually at night it is quite difficult to detect small-sized aircraft. Typically, such UAVs have a small radar signature and a low level of thermal signature. If the modernized complex has such an opportunity, this is very good.

[Nord2015]

Nice complex. The highest secrecy, no electronic warfare is scary, stealth technologies are also, jammers can be jammed until you go deaf . Everything is simple - I saw-shot. So this news made me happy.

[Volga Cossack]

the next correct modernization will still serve and that's good!

[Grey_k]

He served at these excellent complexes, but in our battery for every 3 cars there was 1 car with passive radio direction finding (PRP) blocks, something like boxes around the perimeter of the car. When the machine was irradiated with radar from an enemy aircraft, the PRP indicated the direction and approximate distance to the target (by the strength of the received radiation signal). The optical-electronic target detection station was sorely lacking. For this complex, ideally, target designation from a control point is needed. In KapYar in the steppe they heard a plane, but it was difficult to see it. Plus, Arrows-10 - does not detect itself in any way, it is reliable (I have 12 out of 10 launches, 1 straight, 600 rocket after 1978 meters started to fall like a log (went out, it was produced in 1), 800 did not go down and burned out in a transport container, I thought came black with a scythe, it’s good that the warhead is cocked XNUMX meters after the start)