M.Delyagin: “The Soviet legacy has basically ended, there is nothing more to steal”

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M.Delyagin: “The Soviet legacy has basically ended, there is nothing more to steal”


The causes of the crisis are not sanctions, but the policy of the Russian liberals.

The press got information about the bill prepared by the Ministry of Finance.

In it, in particular, it is proposed to suspend the budget rule relating expenses to the price of oil. In addition, announced the transition to a one-year budget.

All these measures are justified by falling oil prices.

The famous economist Mikhail Delyagin commented on the KM.RU portal measures proposed by the Ministry of Finance.

The plan was not the law, but only a forecast


- The budget rule is taken from the ceiling, and its cancellation is the right initiative. It was invented in order to justify the failure of the state to fulfill its official duties. That is, there was a fundamental rejection of development, when the budget was choking on money, but this money did not go anywhere, but was used to ensure the financial stability of the United States and the Eurozone countries.

Cancellation of this rule is not for meaningful reasons, but simply because there is less money. And now there is a lot of money - unused balances on federal accounts exceed 9 trillions of rubles, but in any case, the abolition of the budget rule is a positive thing.

As for the rejection of the three-year budget planning, we need to understand that the budgets of the second and third years have always been revised, and very significantly. The plan was not a law, but merely a forecast, serving as a guideline for the economy, business, and government officials.

But when the state refuses to give everyone guidance, it has a disorganizing effect on the economy. And this is absolutely wrong. It is as if I wrote with errors, but instead of improving my literacy, I would stop writing at all, but only dictate. It is impossible to do this, it is indulgence in weaknesses and limited opportunities instead of developing them.

There is nothing more to steal, and the model begins to choke


From the economy, I expect a continuation of the fall, if we talk about the outlook for the next few months. At the same time, the ruble is stabilizing after September. We have peaks of payments - in September and December, but before the New Year, I think, the ruble will make one significant fluctuation, and it can be in any direction.

The fact is that our insiders need to celebrate the New Year well, and with the help of the fluctuation of the ruble they will provide themselves with ultra-high profits. Insiders are unpunished, which means they will do their work.

The causes of the crisis are not sanctions, but the policy of Russian liberals, borrowed from the 90s. I remind you that both the devaluation of the ruble and the stampede of capital began in January, 2014, when there was no talk of sanctions, and oil was worth more than $ 105 per barrel.

So this is a crisis of the whole model of the Russian economy, built in 90-e. Roughly speaking, there is nothing more to steal, and the model begins to choke, just like a car that ran out of gas. The Soviet legacy basically ended, there is nothing more to steal.

Talking about the forecast for the next few years does not make sense. Because either we will move on to a development model, and this will be a qualitatively new reality that we cannot imagine right now. Either from the model of plunder, we turn to destruction. And this is also a qualitatively different reality. But we can imagine this, especially if we look at Ukraine.

The first option is more likely, because the second is a nightmare. When the USSR collapsed, almost no one believed in it until the last minute, but now everyone understands that the model of economic destruction is a nightmare. There are no significant political and administrative forces that would like to.
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  1. +89
    10 September 2015 14: 54
    They steal from the terrible, I work at the factory - I am horrified. In the mid-2000s there was a boss who restored partly everything, the plant flourished. Now they again plundered in a new way, without looking at anyone, just to fill their pocket and dump it. And I know that this is almost everywhere, they steal, regardless of whether you are a liberal, a communist or a monarchist, or someone else. The state began to invest in the defense industry - immediately leeches appeared which were loot, workers and engineers both ran and ran. They began to invest in import substitution - and here the same picture. I don’t know how this will end, most likely nothing.
    1. +4
      10 September 2015 14: 56
      Quote: Ilya77
      They steal from the terrible, I work at the factory - I am horrified.


      Did they write to the prosecutor’s office?
      1. +101
        10 September 2015 15: 05
        And what will help? Do we have systematic landings for theft were (for misuse of state funds)? After all, Medvedev said that the system should forgive, and not to imprison for economic crimes. Impunity has created irresponsibility. It makes sense to contact the prosecutor when you know the issue will be considered. Or do you believe that fat officials rage on salaries? Maybe you think the difference in salaries of deputies and educators in kindergartens is correct? She's thirtyfold. In Kaluga, educators earn 17 tr, at a rate of 9000. And the deputies of the prize have half a million each.
        1. +47
          10 September 2015 15: 33
          And what about those who have salaries and pensions of 7 thousand? How do they survive?
        2. +5
          10 September 2015 16: 00
          Well, if you think so: "it won't help" - then nothing will definitely change. Gopniks beat them up in the yard - "they won't be found anyway." They robbed - "well, I forgot to close the door myself." In general, the prosecutor's office considers any appeal.
          1. +12
            10 September 2015 16: 08
            Exactly. Pay to accept the application, run, push, and get "No grounds for verification found" in the end.
          2. for
            +3
            11 September 2015 19: 33
            Gopnik beat in the yard -

            kill the gopnik
          3. +2
            12 September 2015 23: 24
            in 2008 a car hit me at a pedestrian crossing, a fracture of both legs, and so on, and what's the point ... the prosecutor’s office said that there weren’t any complaints to anyone, and hinted that they say it’s my own fault that the street was crossing, how can I prove something I don’t have any witnesses ... but I had to lie with fractures for 8 months, it’s good that I managed to get back to work and there was no one to run through the courts, if only because there was hardly enough money for medicines ... The prosecutor’s office is considering but in favor of those the same gopniks ... they somehow beat me on the street, because the driver of our UAZ rubbed paint on the car of one of the gopnik local authorities when he parked ... and interestingly, I was sitting next to the driver and I can’t drive a car, but I I got it, because I was just indignant at the gopota arrivals ... I don’t have money for a lawyer, and gopniks, that is, local businessmen immediately found both money and a lawyer and the situation turned around so that I myself was to blame, although there was a lot of blood in it, there were a lot of witnesses etc ... one Gopnik even put gypsum on his arm if it’s his arm broken ... I neigh then when I agreed on compensation ... how many I read comments and I see that the stars on your and other uniforms are a fetish like our prosecutor’s office with the police ...
          4. +1
            13 September 2015 05: 43
            Quote: RiverVV
            In general, the prosecutor’s office considers any appeal.

            She considers any appeals, only the points through which she considers are also different!
            Are you aware that ALL enterprises are now private (with the exception of schools, hospitals, the police, and the prosecutor's office itself. Oh, yes! "White Houses" also forgot a couple of sub-state structures such as social security, etc.)?
            And you think it is so easy for the prosecutor's office to check the activities of a PRIVATE enterprise (which is MANDATORY under the "roof" of either legalized criminals, or ...). Under the ellipsis - cops, the prosecutor's office itself ... add the missing.
            The prosecutor's office does not interfere with the work of enterprises, only at the command of the "FAS" from the Kremlin ...
      2. +51
        10 September 2015 15: 07
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: Ilya77
        They steal from the terrible, I work at the factory - I am horrified.


        Did they write to the prosecutor’s office?


        Naive-ah-ah-ah !!!
        1. +26
          10 September 2015 15: 33
          Wife today from work came a physician of the Federal Penitentiary Service in Buryatia cut off the salary for 10 percent - there is no money in the treasury to explain .. cause and effect
          1. +13
            10 September 2015 16: 02
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Wife today from work came a physician of the Federal Penitentiary Service in Buryatia cut off the salary for 10 percent - there is no money in the treasury to explain .. cause and effect

            Workers not only cut wages by 10%, but also staff. Although loafers there are 80%. And everyone complains, they pay little, the work is hard, they get tired, they don’t lift the keys to the cameras and the machine (who is in the guard) heavier. By the way, everyone complains that the standards are physically forced to pass and other knowledge will be checked constantly.
            1. -6
              10 September 2015 16: 25
              You have such a feeling on the other side of the thorn ..
              1. +2
                10 September 2015 16: 53
                afdjhbn67, if it’s addressed to me, then first-hand infa (I have a friend who started a pre-trial detention center).
                1. +16
                  10 September 2015 17: 23
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  You have such a feeling on the other side of the thorn ..

                  .
                  Quote: juborg
                  afdjhbn67, if it’s addressed to me, then first-hand infa (I have a friend who started a pre-trial detention center).


                  oh .. the guys are more careful ... there wasn’t enough yet that the proletarians of the state employees would start to beat ... this will be a civil war ..

                  laughing

                  and all the cones will get to me again - petty Nepman laughing
            2. +9
              10 September 2015 20: 27
              Quote: juborg
              everyone complains that the standards are physically forced to take and other knowledge is constantly checked

              Well, if it’s not enough, then let them go to work in factories where a pension of 60 years is still, and not after 12,5 years of service as a supervisor.
          2. +9
            10 September 2015 21: 08
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Wife today from work came a physician of the Federal Penitentiary Service in Buryatia cut off the salary for 10 percent - there is no money in the treasury to explain .. cause and effect

            Now state employees cut 10% salaries, and in non-budget offices incomes have already fallen by two
        2. -9
          10 September 2015 15: 56
          Rather stupid and divorced from life
          1. +3
            10 September 2015 16: 16
            Quote: kuz363
            Rather stupid and divorced from life


            moot point ... feel
        3. +45
          10 September 2015 16: 16
          I remembered the joke.
          I thought that the gayts were the first extortionists, while I had no business with customs officers. The other day I went to the prosecutor's office ... Customs officers are saints !!!
          1. +13
            10 September 2015 16: 39
            Quote: Theodore Rasp
            The other day I went to the prosecutor’s office ...

            MN Zadornov correctly said: "Lawyers are the most shameless class in the world!"
            1. +7
              10 September 2015 17: 08
              Quote: Saratoga833
              MN Zadornov correctly said: "Lawyers are the most shameless class in the world!"

              And lawyers, in general, have nowhere to put samples - they amnesty anyone ...
              1. 0
                12 September 2015 23: 26
                do not go to the fortuneteller, all the time ... bully
            2. 0
              10 September 2015 20: 30
              Quote: Saratoga833
              "Lawyers are the most shameless class in the world!"

              And I do not agree with him. Not every lawyer is unscrupulous. This applies more to lawyers.
        4. 0
          10 September 2015 16: 32
          Naive-ah-ah-ah !!!


          And what are they stealing in the prosecutor’s office?

          My surprise knows no boundaries, everyone steals, the president, the government, liberals, communists, doctors, teachers, students, schoolchildren! Somewhere I already heard it:

          1. +4
            12 September 2015 05: 44
            And what are they stealing in the prosecutor’s office?
            The prosecutors do not steal! They do not need. They protect those who steal.
        5. +2
          10 September 2015 17: 47
          Sorry for one + and only two hands. ++++++++++++++
      3. +29
        10 September 2015 15: 13
        Quote: vorobey
        Did they write to the prosecutor’s office?

        The main task of prosecutor’s investigators is not the investigation of the allegations, but their competent reply!
        1. +11
          10 September 2015 15: 37
          The prosecutor’s office has formed a whole system of unsubscribes. Nothing has changed since Gogol.
        2. +10
          10 September 2015 15: 53
          "Prosecutor's investigators" have not existed since 2007, when the investigative committee was formed. However, behind life laughing
          1. +2
            10 September 2015 21: 20
            Quote: marlin1203
            "Prosecutor's investigators" have not existed since 2007, when the investigative committee was formed. However, life has lagged behind laughing

            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            There are no traces in the prosecutor's office, no !!!!!!!!

            Guys, but the same people are working. Call the longboat a liner, a hanger with a limousine, but the essence remains the same. hi
            P.S. Over the years of the existence of the Investigative Committee, there have been more corruption scandals than in the prosecutor's office before. the impression is that all the "hucksters in uniform" went there. hi
        3. +1
          10 September 2015 17: 54
          There are no traces in the prosecutor's office, no !!!!!!!!
      4. +34
        10 September 2015 15: 15
        Quote: vorobey
        Did they write to the prosecutor’s office?



        Hmm ... There are few examples of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva ???
        1. +4
          10 September 2015 15: 21
          Quote: veksha50
          Example Serdyukov and Vasilyeva little ???


          well, besides them there are still fewer cones ... besides, we don’t know how much the assets of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva really decreased ... and Zubkov is not heard ... Planting is easier than forcing to return ...

          You’re naive gentlemen ... even I’m a goal like a falcon ... one on my wife, second on my mother, third on my brother ... I can’t even present me a bank ... and you tell me about examples ... who confiscate .. if by law ...
          1. +6
            10 September 2015 16: 43
            Quote: vorobey
            you tell me about examples ... from whom to confiscate ... if by law ...

            You can ALWAYS confiscate stolen things, there would be a desire and political will! No matter who the loot was written on!
            1. +2
              10 September 2015 16: 50
              Quote: Saratoga833
              You can ALWAYS confiscate stolen goods.


              Tell me how ...
              1. +3
                10 September 2015 20: 35
                Quote: vorobey
                Tell me how ...

                Two options. 1. Rob the loot and 2. Expropriation. laughing
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              3. +7
                10 September 2015 22: 16
                Quote: vorobey
                Tell me how ...


                You were clearly told -
                Quote: Saratoga833
                there would be a desire and political will!


                Nobody said anything about legality ...

                Before, when there was no rule "the son is not responsible for the father", it was easier: Aleksashka Menshikov was exiled to Berezov with the whole family, and after his death, the heirs were offered a simple choice:
                a) return to the state stolen by dad from the Bank of London (by the way, only 1,5 annual GDP of RI) - and get an amnesty plus bonus - 10% of the stolen.
                b) do not return anything - and sit for life.
                Guess what they chose? wink
                1. +4
                  10 September 2015 22: 39
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Earlier, when there was no rule "the son does not answer for the father," it was easier: Aleksashka Menshikov was exiled to Berezov with his whole family, and after his death, the heirs were offered a simple choice:
                  a) return to the state stolen by a dad from a London bank (by the way, just 1,5 annual GDP of RI) - and receive an amnesty plus bonuses - 10% of the stolen.
                  b) do not return anything - and sit for life.
                  Guess what they chose?


                  We return to Mrs. Vasilyeva ... there were allegations that the alleged damage was estimated at three lard? and after the udo, the lawyers said that supposedly they were not going to take actions to remove the seizure from Vasilieva’s property in the amount of 300 lemons - exactly 10% coincidence? belay
            2. one
              0
              10 September 2015 17: 40
              Quote: Saratoga833
              Quote: vorobey
              you tell me about examples ... from whom to confiscate ... if by law ...

              You can ALWAYS confiscate stolen things, there would be a desire and political will! No matter who the loot was written on!

              and not stolen, either.
              laughing
            3. 0
              10 September 2015 20: 11
              Quote: Saratoga833
              there would be a desire and political will!

              Please link the proceedings and "political will".
              Thanks in advance.
              1. +1
                10 September 2015 21: 37
                Quote: Das Boot
                Quote: Saratoga833
                there would be a desire and political will!

                Please link the proceedings and "political will".
                Thanks in advance.

                good

                you want to consider this issue on the example of the state with which system ... democracy, despotism or monarchy?
          2. +1
            10 September 2015 17: 03
            Quote: vorobey
            You are gentlemen naive ... even I am a goal like a falcon ... one on my wife, second on my mother, third on my brother ...



            Reminds of the movie "Beware of the car" ... "You have nothing !!! You are a beggar !!!" ...

            So then, in general, there are no methods to deal with this and will not ???
            1. +6
              10 September 2015 17: 40
              Quote: veksha50
              So then, in general, there are no methods to deal with this and will not ???


              so I say ... planting is easier than forcing to return ... Father repaid for Vasilyev ... - such a great businessman? or at the trough thanks to my daughter I ended up ... and we don’t know how much the assets really decreased ..

              I go to the notary’s office ... one Notary - Ivanova, assistant to the notary Ivanova ... second notary Vasilyeva, assistant to the notary Vasilyev and nobody throws stones at them ... the family teams work, they put stamps and everything is fine ... and despite no one calls the exploiters the price ...
            2. +9
              10 September 2015 22: 23
              Quote: veksha50
              So then, in general, there are no methods to deal with this and will not ???


              In Iran, when appointing a person to a high post, the special commission checks the financial condition of both him and all relatives... After dismissal from this post, the check is repeated - and in the event of a sharp enrichment of some "citizen Baturina", an investigation is automatically started
          3. +6
            10 September 2015 19: 38
            Quote: vorobey
            Planting it is easier than making it return ...


            So you can return and plant. I still can’t understand with what kind of lyady this mimra (Vasiliev) was released. request
            1. +3
              10 September 2015 20: 04
              Quote: igor1981
              Quote: vorobey
              Planting it is easier than making it return ...


              So you can return and plant. I still can’t understand with what kind of lyady this mimra (Vasiliev) was released. request


              I also can’t understand ... the lawyers and the FSIN did everything beautifully there. but, in principle, that simple word of the inode is higher than any money .. after all, the figures there were probably mixed up wow ... and Vasilieva knew and knew the accounts in offshore .... and nevertheless, her criminal record was not canceled and you’ll get it no new facts will come up, and this is a relapse already ... Well, they put Khodor, well, they took away everything ... but all? Came out angry and preoccupied so can it just make you sit upright?
            2. 0
              12 September 2015 05: 50
              .
              I still can’t understand with what kind of lyady this mimra (Vasiliev) was released
              Believe me - no one can.
              1. +3
                12 September 2015 12: 15
                From an interview Colonel General L.G. Ivashov, the chief editor of "Soviet Russia" V.V. Chikinu
                Chikin V.V. Leonid Grigoryevich, how would you rate the completed trial in the case of Oboronservis and the main person involved Evgenia Vasilyeva?
                Ivashov L.G. This is not a judicial investigative process, but a political and psychological performance that lasted more than two years. Here, the law and the code of criminal procedure rested, and the domestic political intrigue worked with its kickbacks, cuts, homies, etc. This so-called process has demonstrated that there is Russia today and who runs it.
                ... But Serdyukov cannot be judged without several dozens of dignitaries sitting on the dock. Imagine how Padva’s lawyer, for example, will block Serdyukov. First: "He is not a professional, he does not understand anything in military affairs, he could not be appointed to the post of Minister of Defense." Those. the one who appointed is to blame. Second: “After all, Serdyukov did not make decisions on the implementation of certain reforms, he only proposed them, by virtue of his purely commercial knowledge and experience. These proposals were considered at meetings of the Security Council, committees of the Federal Assembly, approved by the government, where the former prime minister in charge of defense issues was ex-defense minister S. Ivanov. So Serdyukov is not guilty of anything, completely different officials are to blame. ” Third: “Around Minister Serdyukov there were generals and officers, a collegium of the Ministry of Defense, who also applauded all the innovations of my client,” the lawyer would have said.
                And, of course, Serdyukov is pretending to be a lamb, so injured by the young, which negligent girls have fingered around. Who to plant? No, because there is no Stalin friend. Such is the nature of big crime and big betrayal.
                http://topwar.ru/81499-o-bednom-ministre-zamolvite-slovo-.html
          4. 0
            13 September 2015 14: 53
            Vorobey - You have such a surname - Skrynik - have you heard? So Vasilieva is a poor and honest girl, compared to this aunt ... so what? The prosecutor’s office even hinted at billions and billions merged through the Ministry of Agriculture? Well, nafig - they got everything like a mouthful, neither in newspapers, nor on websites, nor - much less - on TV ....
            In our city, annually, from 12 to 15 million tyryat - allegedly homeless dogs are caught ... and every year more and more ... and until they were caught - with a population of less than 500 thousand, dogs are "caught" (according to papers) more than in Moscow !!! And the coolest thing is that while their (dogs) is not getting smaller, but quite the opposite - every year more and more .... They wrote and more than once to the prosecutor's office, they provided figures, calculations ... - nifiga, no reaction, the prosecutor's office answers - the materials have been sent for verification ... and the one against whom these materials testify will be checked ... that's all, though sign up .... The Colleague was right, who wrote - "kill the gopnik" - no one, neither the prosecutor's office, nor the police, nor the Investigative Committee will protect us - they do not live for that ... we are protected just as much as we are able to protect ourselves and nothing more ...
        2. +9
          10 September 2015 16: 15
          Quote: veksha50
          Hmm ... There are few examples of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva ???

          SO WHAT ? Normally it turns out - everyone knew and saw and heard everything - but no one is anywhere - then everyone is actively surprised - what is it in this shit? No ?
          Just for fun, I’ll give an example - TAG Plant - LMZ affiliate - mid-90s - everything also fell, slowly stolen, didn’t thump at all, sat without work ..... As a result, our site was dispersed, I was cut, the plant continued to bend quietly.
          After 15 years, I met a friend from the brigade, already retired, but still working at the same factory - I didn’t complain about the salary (the figures for three years are outdated), but everything is good, the question is how? -
          The leadership has changed, after that -
          - From the beginning, they set the framework for the entrance. Theft is the color of meta and just metal almost stopped.
          The next step was to install the very ducts that you need to blow into ... and at the entrance and exit from work, the condition is simple - drunk - immediately dismissal.
          After several excesses, they increased it to 0,4 ppm - after all, not all half past seven in the morning could come "dry as a leaf."
          After the masters came running a couple of times with the words, leave me an etgl of a turner - a locksmith - and so on. they were told ok, then quit yourself, and let him work for you ...
          There were more measures, but all this led to the fact that the plant started working.
          1. +1
            10 September 2015 16: 37
            ... the plant has earned ...
            Did you start releasing something new? Or, as always, filling up warehouses with "pig iron"? smile
            1. +3
              10 September 2015 17: 41
              Quote: yuriy55
              ... the plant has earned ...
              Did you start releasing something new? Or, as always, filling up warehouses with "pig iron"? smile

              He produced a lot of things, from turbines to trolleys for grandmothers.
              What is honest now - I don’t know, and it’s not particularly interesting already. wink
          2. +3
            10 September 2015 17: 06
            Quote: lelikas
            Quote: veksha50
            Hmm ... There are few examples of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva ???

            SO WHAT ? Normally it turns out - everyone knew and saw and heard everything - but no one is anywhere - then everyone is actively surprised - what is it in this shit? No ?
            Just for fun, I’ll give an example - TAG Plant - LMZ affiliate - mid-90s - everything also fell, slowly stolen, didn’t thump at all, sat without work ..... As a result, our site was dispersed, I was cut, the plant continued to bend quietly.
            After 15 years, I met a friend from the brigade, already retired, but still working at the same factory - I didn’t complain about the salary (the figures for three years are outdated), but everything is good, the question is how? -
            The leadership has changed, after that -
            - From the beginning, they set the framework for the entrance. Theft is the color of meta and just metal almost stopped.
            The next step was to install the very ducts that you need to blow into ... and at the entrance and exit from work, the condition is simple - drunk - immediately dismissal.
            After several excesses, they increased it to 0,4 ppm - after all, not all half past seven in the morning could come "dry as a leaf."
            After the masters came running a couple of times with the words, leave me an etgl of a turner - a locksmith - and so on. they were told ok, then quit yourself, and let him work for you ...
            There were more measures, but all this led to the fact that the plant started working.

            This is of course important, but all this is at the level of error, if the management wants to drown the plant, it will drown it, if on the contrary, then this is polishing, which you described above.
            1. +5
              10 September 2015 17: 36
              Quote: fox21h
              This is of course important, but all this is at the level of error, if the management wants to drown the plant, it will drown it, if on the contrary, then this is polishing, which you described above.

              They can drown us (and not just by the way) against the will of the leadership, but the question is rather what really needs to be done - or think about yourself or about work.
              There is another example - a "talented manager" was hired to the previous office - there were several candidates, but they ended up promising to radically increase profitability, almost 100%. It all ended with cutting salaries, full-time positions, fines for each bunch not on schedule, and as a result, all normal people quit, and he himself, rolling out a new resume on the job, dumped after a year and a half.
          3. +6
            10 September 2015 17: 07
            Quote: lelikas
            There were more measures, but all this led to the fact that the plant started working.



            That is, it was not necessary to reinvent the wheel, but simply to force everyone to fulfill their duties ...

            PS At one time I got a bastard with a stirrer from my superiors for the fact that when I was forced to speak at a meeting in favor of perestroika, I said too briefly: "There is nothing to rebuild ... Let everyone do their duties as they should" ...
            1. +3
              10 September 2015 22: 08
              Quote: veksha50
              That is, it was not necessary to reinvent the wheel, but simply to force everyone to fulfill their duties ...

              BOOOO! By the way, this applies to the whole state, starting from the very top .. fulfill your duties and everything will be fine .. but that’s the problem, if they try poorly to fulfill them at the bottom, then they don’t seem to be obscured at the top of the clouds .. that's enough for them.
          4. +2
            10 September 2015 18: 06
            Quote: lelikas
            Quote: veksha50
            Hmm ... There are few examples of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva ???

            SO WHAT ? Normally it turns out - everyone knew and saw and heard everything - but no one is anywhere - then everyone is actively surprised - what is it in this shit? No ?
            Just for fun, I’ll give an example - TAG Plant - LMZ affiliate - mid-90s - everything also fell, slowly stolen, didn’t thump at all, sat without work ..... As a result, our site was dispersed, I was cut, the plant continued to bend quietly.
            After 15 years, I met a friend from the brigade, already retired, but still working at the same factory - I didn’t complain about the salary (the figures for three years are outdated), but everything is good, the question is how? -
            The leadership has changed, after that -
            - From the beginning, they set the framework for the entrance. Theft is the color of meta and just metal almost stopped.
            The next step was to install the very ducts that you need to blow into ... and at the entrance and exit from work, the condition is simple - drunk - immediately dismissal.
            After several excesses, they increased it to 0,4 ppm - after all, not all half past seven in the morning could come "dry as a leaf."
            After the masters came running a couple of times with the words, leave me an etgl of a turner - a locksmith - and so on. they were told ok, then quit yourself, and let him work for you ...
            There were more measures, but all this led to the fact that the plant started working.


            Well, we also had it .. and then a bold piece attracted all sorts of sticking, so in the end they brought the defense enterprise (which is actually in private hands) to collapse. Whenever a bold piece appears, sticks immediately fly there, and their schemes are such that it is unrealistic to take them for the gills, even check yourself. But in the end, the state loses - either it is left without production of something, or is forced to buy at inflated prices.
      5. +12
        10 September 2015 15: 36
        Quote: vorobey
        Did they write to the prosecutor’s office?

        wrote .... !!! complained about the work of the management company ...
        three folders of prosecutor’s letters were collected, and if you write to a higher prosecutor’s office, then the statement is again lowered to the lower, in simple terms, to the district.
        And nothing has changed!
        1. 0
          10 September 2015 16: 05
          This is the wrong approach. First: a statement is written to the city prosecutor's office. "I became aware of the crime ... lalala ..." Secondly: it is duplicated in the regional one. Thirdly: contact your deputy. By the way, do you know his last name? You write that you are afraid of corruption in the prosecutor's office. Fighting her is always in vogue. Ask to take control of the case.
          Fourth: without waiting for answers, write a statement to the Prosecutor General.
          Sit back and watch the avalanche descend.
          And the results are already - you can put it on the network.
          1. +5
            10 September 2015 16: 20
            Quote: RiverVV
            First: a statement is written to the city prosecutor's office. "I became aware of the crime ... lalala ..." Secondly: it is duplicated in the regional one. Thirdly: contact your deputy. By the way, do you know his last name? You write that you fear corruption in the prosecutor's office. Fighting her is always in vogue. Ask to take the case under control. Fourth: without waiting for answers, write an application to the General Prosecutor's Office.


            And everywhere on letters put a copy of number 5 ... even if the four brawls arranged and phoned ... they will look for the fifth for a very long time and they’ll surrender their nerves ..

            Quote: RiverVV
            Sit back and watch the avalanche descend.
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          3. Hon
            +4
            10 September 2015 17: 02
            an avalanche of what? unsubscribe?))
          4. +5
            10 September 2015 17: 09
            Quote: RiverVV
            Sit back and watch the avalanche descend.


            And at this time you get old-gray, and there you look - and the grandchildren of the great-grandchildren have already dragged them to their grandfather’s knees ...
            1. +3
              10 September 2015 18: 53
              Quote: veksha50
              And at this time you get old, gray, and there you look - and the grandchildren of the great-grandchildren have already dragged them to their grandfather's knees.

              I think you will not have time not only to wait for the grandchildren, but also to grow old. Here turn gray - this is quite likely.
              1. +2
                10 September 2015 21: 48
                Quote: EvgNik
                Here turn gray - this is quite likely.



                Unfortunately, this stage has already been passed ... The second - grandchildren - too ... the third - great-grandchildren - I won’t wait, as well as the fact that the prosecutor’s office will work as expected ...
          5. +5
            10 September 2015 17: 27
            An interesting recipe, but this is no longer an appeal to the prosecutor’s office in order to protect violated rights, but a combat with the prosecutor’s office itself. )))
        2. +1
          11 September 2015 20: 02
          Yes, a similar situation. Executive authorities are masters in writing letters, they don’t react at all ...
          A bag of potatoes was stolen or a loaf of bread in the store, punishments can not be avoided. And the swindlers from the housing and communal services or the district (city) administration are not noticed.
      6. +7
        10 September 2015 15: 54
        Did he try to file a complaint with his superiors? In the best case, they will be fired, and they will always find reasons. At worst, they will be left disabled or without a head at all. You probably don’t watch movies?
        1. +5
          10 September 2015 16: 03
          Quote: kuz363
          Did he try to file a complaint with his superiors?


          I am my own boss .. tongue I want to work, I want to drink ..


          Quote: kuz363
          You probably don’t watch movies?


          if a movie is shot it means it’s profitable for someone ... well, for example, on the order of the Moscow government ..., with the support of the Ministry of the Interior, laughing
        2. +2
          10 September 2015 17: 15
          Quote: kuz363
          You probably don’t watch movies?



          At one time, Lenin talked about cinema as one of the excellent tools of propaganda ...

          Contemporary cinema is often a video tool explaining what will happen to a person who wants to go against the system ... Or the person representing this system ...

          Counterpropaganda, so to speak ...
          1. +3
            10 September 2015 19: 39
            Well, and not only: "While the people are illiterate, of all the arts for us the most important are the cinema and the circus!" The circus is not going to go anywhere, and the "kin", apparently, will no longer be ... crying (old, gray-haired cynic pessimist, with three grandchildren and granddaughter)
      7. +7
        10 September 2015 16: 37
        There is a way out, or rather I dreamed about it in the afternoon drill, a large mass grave with the inscription on it: the Liberal Government of the Russian Federation. From the grateful inhabitants of Russia, amen! stop
        1. +3
          10 September 2015 17: 16
          Quote: Major Yurik
          From the grateful inhabitants of Russia, amen!



          When and where to bring the wreath ???
          1. +4
            10 September 2015 17: 24
            Quote: veksha50
            Quote: Major Yurik
            From the grateful inhabitants of Russia, amen!



            When and where to bring the wreath ???


            George, I’ll clarify the address, but personally I will bring an aspen stake to this grave! hi
            1. +2
              10 September 2015 21: 50
              Quote: Major Yurik
              George, I’ll clarify the address, but personally I will bring an aspen stake to this grave!



              But surely - why am I grabbing a wreath ??? Count, and not one ...
      8. +2
        10 September 2015 18: 47
        Quote: vorobey
        Did they write to the prosecutor’s office?

        And what do the prosecutors know nothing? Everyone knows better than ours, all hands. But. In that but - the whole thing. Private enterprises, so: do not touch, otherwise you will already answer in full, and the owner of the enterprise - the master, does what he wants: at least he will sell it for scrap metal in parts. And he will drive the workers out into the street. What is happening with us at many factories.
      9. +7
        10 September 2015 18: 54
        What's the point? If in our country (in Russia, in Kazakhstan) prosecutors on vacation no longer even fly to Turkey or Thailand, but to the Bahamas, Courchevel, etc. Without advertising, but not particularly hiding it. And to the question "where does the money come from, Zin?" answer boldly - on vacation pay. And what's the big vacation pay? - And it depends on whom you let go! wassat Perhaps I am also exaggerating and in the prosecutor's office (court, police, city hall, etc.) there are still honest people who put the public good above the personal one. Yes, I haven’t seen such a thing recently. Alas.
        I have the honor.
      10. +1
        11 September 2015 08: 18
        Quote: vorobey
        Did they write to the prosecutor’s office?

        Is he tired of living? For the rest, see Vasilyeva's "case". And also ... The plant works from 8 am to 17 pm. Taking into account the travel time, it is impossible to get to the prosecutor's office. The author is not a representative of the creatiff class, which is from "Jean-Jacques" to a rally, then to the prosecutor's office, then to court.
        In general, the prosecutor's office is part of the government. The power of the ruling class. The ruling class is the bourgeoisie. The way she "degenerated" in the 90s - criminal, greyhound, thieving. Accordingly, sawing is a kind of ideology. That everyone follows
        regardless of whether you are a liberal, a communist or a monarchist, or someone else.
        and even request, oh horror, Vostochny cosmodrome
        So it is possible and necessary to fight. Only this is like crushing acne without noticing the last stage of cancer.
      11. for
        0
        11 September 2015 19: 32
        And you an example with Vasilyeva is not enough?
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    3. +10
      10 September 2015 15: 04
      Nothing to steal?
      Taki Delyagin is not familiar with Marxism or what? And then things and bowels ?! They steal labor first of all. The rest is attached. It would have been so if no one had touched except for needs. But out of nowhere a gesheft appeared - loan interest. fellow
      1. +1
        10 September 2015 15: 39
        Quote: siberalt
        gesheft - loan interest.


        and the rollback is in veiled form ...
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    4. +43
      10 September 2015 15: 08
      I also worked at a factory. And I can tell you how they steal there. First, they take out machines and sell them to private traders. VOKHRs are standing, they cannot do anything, the call from above is "skipped" and passed.

      Secondly, all sorts of small LLCs are sucked to the plant like leeches, the founders of which are entirely sons and relatives of large factory directors.

      Thirdly, one acquaintance of VOKHR said that once, being in Moscow, he went to receive a salary at the central office, which is in charge of all VOKhRs in all defense industries in the country. And ofigel, it turns out he should receive three times more salary than he receives "on the spot." The question arises, what happens to the salary money that is sent from the Center to the region?

      Fourthly, I've been working and personally saw how my boss quietly quietly sold drawings and documentation somewhere "to the left". And then he went up and bought a Maybach.

      This is our "economic development model". Only mass executions will save the homeland IMHO.
      1. +1
        10 September 2015 15: 11
        Well, that's all of our psychology ... but I can, naive and so on ...

        and everywhere Stalin laughing
        1. +34
          10 September 2015 15: 49
          vorobey
          I also want to add noticed by many of my friends))) while there is no money - all around are thieves ...
          how bad money fell, even if not stolen, but earned from pure speculation, every year they start to buy new cars, tell friends what kind of cars and watches a real man should have and the power in the country seems to be not so bad, but if got somewhere on a suction in a warm place, so the psychology is changing, God forbid, hello at the meeting! NO ONE DOESN'T CONSIDER THEIR MONEY BAD !!!! bad ones are always only strangers money!
          Right now, my friends who lived on the speculation of goods from Europe to Russia are now in shock, the business was covered ... I had to sell my merci ... and immediately began to pay attention to what kind of watches Peskov had ... they immediately remembered how much Russia had orphans are malnourished ...
          People! The same people sit everywhere, like you and me, who are a little more lucky! This is a disease of the whole society! And it is necessary to fight it and the struggle goes on, they planted much more and give significant dates, but you can’t change the psychology of people quickly, for many this is bestiality in blood! It is necessary to raise a normal next generation, this is in my opinion the main task for today! I suggest everyone to start with themselves and their children!
          1. +8
            10 September 2015 15: 56
            Excellent observation. "One's shirt is closer to the body" - people noticed for a long time.
            1. +3
              10 September 2015 16: 10
              Quote: marlin1203
              Excellent observation. "One's shirt is closer to the body" - people noticed for a long time.


              it’s true that we are all honest and decent thieves in power ... only I don’t understand sawing; a neighbor bought a car from a huckster and a month later they came from the bank for it .. not a car or money ... I won’t say anything about new buildings ...

              Quote: antoXa
              antoXa

              Quote: marlin1203
              marlin1203


              in vain climb the peasants of the minuses ogrebet ... then I’m harlequin on the drum ... but the topic has come to life ...
          2. +7
            10 September 2015 16: 02
            But it's hard to disagree with this .... a generation with different values ​​has been brought up ... and everyone wants to fix it with the same laws and plantings ... brains need to be corrected and children are raised so that money earned by labor is held in high esteem, and not "buy- sell "
          3. +4
            10 September 2015 16: 06
            Quote: antoXa
            while there is no money - thieves are all around ... how bad money rained down, even if not stolen, but earned from pure speculation, every year they start buying new cars, telling friends what kind of cars and watches a real man should have and power in the country it’s already seemingly not so bad, but if I’ve got somewhere to suck in a warm place, so the psychology is changing, God forbid, say hello to a meeting! NOBODY COUNTS YOUR MONEY BAD !!!! bad ones are always only strangers money!


            the way it is .. you get used to the good quickly .. and I want even more ..
            1. +2
              10 September 2015 16: 15
              vorobey
              That's right, because often on the one hand they are touched, but on the other hand they frighten the proposals of some comrades to start shooting!
              Whom to shoot? Everyone who earns more than lyam per month, or by what criteria to evaluate? So this is a civil war, comrades, in our country there is a very thick layer of people who live very well, and this is far from not only officials, officials themselves do not earn such money, they are given it by a business that has long grown together with the state.
              In my opinion, there is one big difference only at the moment and it is fundamental, yet business works for the state or the state for business !? For example, you can bring our friends from across the ocean, there in my opinion is clearly the second option ...
              1. +3
                10 September 2015 16: 34
                Yes, and I ask those who put a minus to write with what they disagree) You are silent)
              2. +3
                10 September 2015 17: 25
                Quote: antoXa
                Yet business works for the state or the state for business !?



                Russia, as always, goes its own way ...

                In our country, they (power and business) peacefully coexist and are united by only one goal - to bend and rob that layer of the population, which by and large has nothing ...
                1. +5
                  10 September 2015 17: 44
                  veksha50
                  sorry, but I do not agree with you. There is no need to talk about "us" like that practically all over the world. Power and business are a heterogeneous substance! These are different financial groups, which are different people with different goals and interests! Medvedev, Shuvalov and Dvorkovich may have completely different goals and objectives and they can represent completely different groups of people, not to mention VVP, just as in ShiSiA, Clinton and Obama probably represent different groups too! Or maybe you want to say that Obama, Olanda or Merkel care about the citizens of their countries?)))) If so, then you apparently live in some other reality ...
                  There is always only one criterion for caring for those in power and the oligarchy that has grown together with them))) and it is measured by how much this people can bend to and fro, and this criterion is different in all countries and depends primarily on how much the people are literate as far as they are ready to oppose, in fact it is always a consensus like in any business, only between the government and the people, each side wants more nishtyaks for itself and there must be a middle on which they are able to finish bending each other and agree!
          4. +5
            10 September 2015 16: 14
            Quote: antoXa
            I suggest everyone to start with themselves and their children!

            exactly...
            and finally understand what country we live in, who rules us, for what purpose people are zombified, to discard all this zombie husk
          5. +3
            10 September 2015 17: 21
            Quote: antoXa
            bad ones are always only strangers money!



            Um ... Well said ... Poleshche Zadornova ...
        2. -1
          10 September 2015 19: 43
          Quote: vorobey
          Well, that's all of our psychology ... but I can, naive and so on ...

          and everywhere Stalin laughing


          in fact, I didn’t understand a slop - what are you minus?
          strange ... really geront-nostalgants on the benches got tablets ???????
          That's it, the site has disappeared ..... Well, here it is: "A monument to Stalin in every yard!"
          But I didn't bring the bucket ... Sadness ... Handcuffs ... "Do you remember that Vaninsky in-o-ort ..."
          1. +3
            10 September 2015 21: 18
            Quote: Das Boot
            in fact, I didn’t understand a slop - what are you minus?


            I’m interested in something else ... I watch how people rethink and plus or minus in principle ... at first reflexively and then thoughtfully ... for me, minus or plus is just a sign that the comment has been read ...

            By the way, I’m not against Stalin ... this is our story and an example of effective governance of the country when we made a breakthrough ... we don’t pay the price in particular (by the way from my grandfathers I have never heard anything bad about him, too, although my first term in short term with it shook)

            something else strikes me, we all want order, but we want reincarnated Uncle Joe to bring him in our place because, in principle, nothing depends on us .. laughing and even worse, they can excommunicate or dismiss from the feeder .. laughing Go out onto the square to yell down .. sing Putin’s song ... drive away in nete to make a few revelations and critical notes - this is normal ... but we are not capable of elementary everyday feat laughing Brothers .. I adore you ..
            1. +3
              11 September 2015 00: 49
              something else strikes me, we all want order, but we want reincarnated Uncle Joe to bring him in our place because, in principle, nothing depends on us ..
              Unfortunately you are right. WE will angrily condemn the rulers, with a litrushka in our hands, bought on a nightlight at midnight, stepping over the dog’s village at the entrance, painted with matyuk from a spray can. sad
            2. 0
              11 September 2015 10: 59
              vorobey
              And by the way, I do not mind)))), but not for that, each such person is needed at a certain point in history! And today, excuse me for nothing good, such methods of accelerating the development of the country would not have inculcated!
              I agree with you, in many respects we really just don’t want to do anything ourselves, a good example is our housing and communal services, there are many examples of struggles with management companies and other evil spirits today, but few people are ready to take care of putting things in order at home! But to blame the President who such a scoundrel cannot bring order to a country that they have been wanting to derail and tear down for centuries ... wow
      2. +9
        10 September 2015 15: 18
        The same situation. A friend was in Moscow, knowing that there would be an advance went to the bank to withdraw and just ooh-eat on the card was 50 rubles. I turned to the bank, thinking that this was a mistake (the real advance at us at the Beloretsk Metallurgical Plant is the South Urals, somewhere from 000 to 5 rubles) In response, no error was said - this is an advance. It turns out a salary of about 000 rubles. But they actually get from 8 to 000 rubles in their hands. And salary cards are very tricky, they have the so-called 150 wallets. And this is not the only case, they were similar. The question arises - how can this be?
        1. +8
          10 September 2015 15: 41
          Yeah. In ancient times (three or four years ago) instead of fifty dollars I give a taxi driver 500 by mistake. After all, he knows the address from where they called, but is silent. I give my grandmother with her sorrel by the road, 50 re, and she gives me as with 500, also by mistake. Sin cannot be returned. Maybe it's all about education?
          1. -2
            10 September 2015 20: 04
            Quote: siberalt
            I give a taxi driver 500 by mistake.

            Quote: siberalt
            I give my grandmother with her sorrel by the road, 50 re, and she gives me as with 500


            The Association of Ophthalmologists thought about it and sent its recommendations to the designers of the Central Bank.
            Quote: siberalt
            Maybe it's all about education?

            the topic of educating taxi drivers and attendants will be covered in the next issue of Let Them Talk.
            Watch the box.
        2. 0
          10 September 2015 15: 58
          What the hell is this? What did your acquaintance not know about his second "salary wallet"? Most likely, the wife did not know! laughing
        3. one
          +2
          10 September 2015 18: 13
          Quote: as150505
          The same situation. A friend was in Moscow, knowing that there would be an advance went to the bank to withdraw and just ooh-eat on the card was 50 rubles. I turned to the bank, thinking that this was a mistake (the real advance at us at the Beloretsk Metallurgical Plant is the South Urals, somewhere from 000 to 5 rubles) In response, no error was said - this is an advance. It turns out a salary of about 000 rubles. But they actually get from 8 to 000 rubles in their hands. And salary cards are very tricky, they have the so-called 150 wallets. And this is not the only case, they were similar. The question arises - how can this be?

          do you think we are idiots?
          what "tricky" ... what "2 wallets" ...
          bullshit!
          fool
      3. +3
        10 September 2015 15: 24
        Quote: Lumumba
        Only mass shootings will save their homeland

        Well, immediately massive. A corpses bulldozer into a ravine. Maxim Gorky argued in the same way, that people in Russia, that sand and soon this sand will be scooped up. But no, scooped out, dying out little by little.
        1. 0
          10 September 2015 16: 56
          Quote: Uncle
          Well, immediately massive. A corpses bulldozer into a ravine. That's the same Maxim Gorky argued that the people of Russia, that the sand ...


          So if I’m not mistaken, Gorky kept terrorists in his apartment who set up a bomb production workshop in his house ...

          And about dying ... Yes! Someone really wants to ...
      4. +12
        10 September 2015 15: 27
        More articles like these!

        It's time to think about your country.
        Talk about how we live and what we leave for our children.
        We are constantly distracted by Ukraine, Ishil and other world mess.
        Meanwhile, liberal bureaucrats continue to drown the country under their noses.
      5. +2
        10 September 2015 15: 44
        The worst thing is that it is "more profitable" to steal today to work honestly. Until this changes, the collapse will continue. The United States "benefits" by allowing everyone what it forbids. The weak point of their policy is that by allowing others to rot, it will still not be possible to defend oneself, because we are divine in the same confined space.
        1. +1
          10 September 2015 15: 59
          Stealing is always more profitable than working honestly! Your conclusions are strange.
      6. 0
        10 September 2015 15: 57
        Quote: Lumumba
        And then he went up and bought a maybach.

        Please, the region, the region, the Maybach district is worth checking. I wonder how many Maybachs are in your village?

        What is it that I "see", the State Department, allocated denyushku for "happiness"! Articles "whiny flooded"! (Confused! Angry!)
      7. one
        0
        10 September 2015 17: 58
        Quote: Lumumba


        This is our "economic development model". Only mass executions will save the homeland IMHO.

        is it by whom and by whom - en masse, then?
        belay
        Also, for your information,
        WOHR is an departmental security.
        which means no central apparatus
        "which is in charge of all VOKHRs at all defense industries in the country."
        - it simply cannot be !!!
        lol
        1. +1
          10 September 2015 22: 34
          Quote: Someone
          besides, for your information, the VOKHR is a DEPARTMENTAL security. and that means there is no central apparatus "which is in charge of all the VOKHRs in all the defense industries in the country."


          besides, for your information, WOHR is Paramilitary security, which can be either departmental or extra-departmental!
          Departmental protection exists in the form of federal state enterprises or state institutions (Ministry of Finance of Russia), which are commercial organizations and are managed by ministries, agencies or organizations (Rosatom), as defined by federal law. In state militarized organizations (Ministry of Defense of Russia, EMERCOM of Russia) departmental security is organizationally included in the composition of military units and structural organizations.
          private security - the staff of the VOHR unit is included in the structure of the private security service the police.
      8. +1
        10 September 2015 18: 16
        Quote: Lumumba
        I also worked at the factory.

        What a chic comment ... In the ranking of fucked stories so far, No. 1

        Quote: Lumumba
        acquaintance of VOHR told

        Quote: Lumumba
        machines are exported, sold to private owners

        Quote: Lumumba
        my boss was quietly selling drawings

        Quote: Lumumba
        and bought maybach


        Yes, here is the material for the script for the series! In the Hollywood hills of the scriptwriters, total constipation and depression will happen, I think ...
    5. +8
      10 September 2015 15: 25
      I completely agree with you. I went through a lot of enterprises from my city (Togliatti) and everywhere the picture is the same - sad, but in fact mostly directors and managers from Moscow. The city is in decline (they didn’t even put a Christmas tree on the New Year, and they didn’t clean the roads), they wrote a letter to the president, so this letter was for some reason redirected to the city administration.
      All the problems that have arisen are the result of an 8-year disregard for the city.
      Many say that it was better to live with thieves, then everyone was responsible for their words and the senior and younger and the mayor with the director of the VAZ. For me, so until 2008, the only problem of the city was the road. Now they started repairing roads, they are getting ready for the 2018 World Cup, but the rest is in decline.
      1. +4
        10 September 2015 17: 43
        Greetings to my colleague and fellow countryman. Slightly develop a theme. The city is in decline just because of the fact that it was corny to plunder and plunder what remained after the Union. The industrial zones stopped working, there is no production, and the enterprises are devastated by the owners and act as warehouse (former production) and office (former administrative) buildings.
        And everything was happening against the background of the fact that money comes to the city at the expense of the car plant, more or less stable salaries. Now the plant is working in favor of the Renault-Nissan concern, including stopping the production of VAZ models when the dealers are overstocked with vaseo markers, reducing workers in workshops and departments with the same composition and top management income.
        And everything that can bring real profit invariably falls into Moscow hands, while all the juices from production continue to be sucked in place. And until the government’s approach to such a situation changes, the money will continue to be pulled from the whole country and, apparently, will go offshore to private accounts, without bringing any benefit to the state or the people.
        1. -1
          10 September 2015 18: 23
          Quote: Bedrovich
          (Tolyatti)

          Quote: Mitrich76
          The city is in decline just because of the fact that it was corny stolen and plundered

          really? maybe not the main reason, after all? About the possible problems of single-industry towns timidly wrote back in the 40-50s and beyond.
          1. 0
            11 September 2015 10: 39
            Unfortunately, the point is precisely the pulling. Togliatti is NOT a monocity, only one district of the city was built together with a car plant and can be equated with monocities. It's just that while AvtoVAZ has been attracting money from many "entrepreneurs", becoming the owners of small enterprises (as an example - a knitwear factory, a fish processing plant, a bunch of different research institutes with their own production complex), unwilling to invest in the manufacture of anything and keep workers, they devastated the enterprises, making them rented space. Thus, we switched from production to service and resale of other people's goods.
            At the car plant itself, the new co-owner bought the Viburnum platform, on its basis they produce Datsun, from their adapted developments they mold a largus, make an almeria. But the quality of VAZ cars has been brought to an insufficiently high level, all attempts to increase are blocked up to the reduction of excessively zealous rationalizers, while the price is too high in order to reduce the competitiveness of OUR cars. And what to call it other than robbery?
    6. 0
      12 September 2015 05: 58
      it is not for nothing that the people have a saying "at work you are not a guest - take away at least a nail!"
    7. 0
      12 September 2015 23: 04
      I agree with you, they steal and will steal even despite the fact that the country's economy is collapsing ... the directors of the water utility of our city were tried for theft and punished with a fine of 300 thousand and all cases ... court, FSB investigation is all for show in essence it turns out, and the company has debts of tens of millions ... by the way, the former director is also a local deputy, the secretary of the Political Council of the local branch of the United Russia party is still ... he has several land plots, his own rest house, several shops were built at the expense of an enterprise in the city ... I can’t even believe that someone will stop this looting of the state’s plunder ... officials like the mafia, the entire leadership of the district’s city, etc. relatives, friends, etc ... they wanted to hand over the water channel to private hands, and it will actually happen now, since the water channel takes up our water channel, and these are the former heads of the local management of TNK BP (former organizations - Buzulukneft, Orenburgneft). .. and you don’t have to expect anything good from the Rosvodokanal ... the prosecutor’s office and the local court were transferred to the dispensary building, apparently the prosecutor’s office doesn’t need to treat people more ... the police in general, closed behind bars and metal doors like in a bunker, you will find, and you won’t prove anything, everything was bought by those who have money ... the village of Kushchevskaya in miniature .... who cares http://buzuluk56.blogspot.ru/2011_06_05_archive.html
    8. 0
      13 September 2015 09: 01
      How nothing? If everyone has stolen, there is a crisis in the economy, one option remains - nationalization and restoration at the expense of the people. I do not understand only one point. Why, when the USSR and its powerful industry were destroyed, did some speak of the fallacy of this decision? And now, when everyone was killed, the people suddenly began to wake up and publications went to the media ...
  2. +5
    10 September 2015 14: 54
    and what’s new ... either either .. I even have hedgehogs in the bushes whispering about it ..
    1. +8
      10 September 2015 15: 15
      Quote: vorobey
      I even have hedgehogs in the bushes whispering about it ..

      What are you taking? Give me the recipe, otherwise the whispering squirrels have already fussed me! wassat
      1. +3
        10 September 2015 15: 25
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        What are you taking? Give me the recipe, otherwise the whispering squirrels have already fussed me!


        it’s necessary to wave the recipe ... they say the squirrels are also cool .. wassat
        1. +7
          10 September 2015 15: 33
          I live alone. It sits on the shoulder and spreads its tail. True more often on weekends.
          1. +1
            10 September 2015 16: 01
            The main thing is that she does not settle on the shoulder on an ongoing basis! laughing
        2. +2
          10 September 2015 18: 25
          Quote: vorobey
          it’s necessary to wave the recipe ... they say the squirrels are also cool ..

          you guys be careful there. Ezhatina and squirrel - our everything for this winter ...
    2. +4
      10 September 2015 16: 00
      Stop eavesdropping on the hedgehogs! laughing
      1. +2
        10 September 2015 16: 15
        Quote: marlin1203
        Stop eavesdropping on the hedgehogs! laughing


        and the choice is not great ... either hedgehogs or downy yololikie from Europe or from non-summer ... better than hedgehogs ..
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    3. +4
      10 September 2015 17: 16
      Quote: vorobey
      and what’s new ... either either .. I even have hedgehogs in the bushes whispering about it ..

      Lucky, you still have hedgehogs. And today I’m the last in the oven to bake for the day, I don’t know how to continue living, though the hell is still there, but her mother’s salt ended wassat laughing
      1. +3
        10 September 2015 17: 27
        Quote: fiodor
        Quote: vorobey
        and what’s new ... either either .. I even have hedgehogs in the bushes whispering about it ..

        Lucky, you still have hedgehogs. And today I’m the last in the oven to bake for the day, I don’t know how to continue living, though the hell is still there, but her mother’s salt ended wassat laughing


        so it’s a mouse now moving from the fields .. it’s not even a bad hedgehog in the house ... really, you have to sweat ... fast bastards .. laughing
      2. 0
        10 September 2015 19: 04
        Quote: fiodor
        Lucky, you still have hedgehogs.

        Kamrad, you just have to see the gopher.
        It is necessary to catch and preserve the gopher seen until the arrival.
        Train and you will be full.
        1. +3
          10 September 2015 20: 48
          Quote: Das Boot
          Kamrad, you just have to see the gopher.
          It is necessary to catch and preserve the gopher seen until the arrival.
          Train and you will be full.

          laughing+ I don’t observe something of gophers yet, I see a parish, but not that one (I drank vodka on the occasion of my birthday, I ate it with pickled oils, but I had mushrooms laughing ) or animals hibernated already.
          In general, now I’ll add what I need to snack,
          And I’ll catch one tochnik and put out for the winter! laughing
          1. +4
            10 September 2015 21: 22
            Quote: fiodor
            I drank vodka


            Tikhushnik ... no to cover the clearing for everyone ... who doesn’t like to plump on a freebie ...

            Seriously birthday?
            1. +2
              10 September 2015 21: 38
              Quote: vorobey
              Seriously birthday?

              I’m not used to lying, but about the meadow, it’s so problematic, since the last hedgehog has already been baked and now I’m eating picking needles laughing but with booze it’s not so hot it would be enough for myself, 0,5 and truncated modestly generally excuse this is not an anniversary. It will be an anniversary and money, I will lay out all the pictures here with bubbles and appetizer, in short I will cover the meadow. laughing
              1. +3
                10 September 2015 21: 54
                Quote: fiodor
                It will be an anniversary and money, I will lay out all the pictures here with bubbles and appetizer, in short I will cover the clearing


                Well then, happy birthday ... and so that not only hedgehogs but also bacon in the house does not translate. drinks

                Quote: fiodor
                hedgehog already baked and now picking out needles I eat


                laughter laughter and I ate a hedgehog ... my mother told ... I thought I wouldn’t get rid of pneumonia ... I was three years old ... so the old man specially tracked the hedgehog .. I caught and cooked ... I used to heat up the fat (I I wouldn’t believe it if it weren’t for my mother to tell) .. says three days later he started to recover right away .. here’s your hedgehogs .. laughing
                1. +2
                  10 September 2015 22: 19
                  Quote: vorobey
                  here you have hedgehogs ..

                  Well, I don’t know about hedgehogs, there’s just nothing 100 grams in them, and there’s a dessert spoon from them, but badger il or bear fat say miracles work. the badger himself was treated in childhood as a truth from another and also the mother was somewhere to fuck. Thanks for the compliments. nicely. drinks
  3. +12
    10 September 2015 14: 56
    Good article! In principle, everything that is written in it is voiced in the title - short and uncompromising! A sort of painting by Repin "Swam" ...
  4. +18
    10 September 2015 14: 58
    Somehow it's all really in black. But this, as they say, who sees what.
    But in connection with various models of the economy, I have a question.
    Russia has refused membership in OPEC, because, as Sechin explained, the oil industry has long been privatized and the state cannot influence oil production and pricing. And budget revenues and the national currency exchange rate depend on oil prices. As they always tell us, oil is the main thing.
    So it turns out that, according to Sechin, several "privatizers" of the oil industry are at the head of the state economic policy? Then why all the talk about economic models?
    1. +3
      10 September 2015 15: 34
      And you say the article in black light.

      Then he painted an even darker picture.

      That is how we live(((
    2. +7
      10 September 2015 15: 41
      Quote: Reserve officer
      Then why all the talk about economic models?

      so that a layman with noodles on his ears walks and screams as he hurts.
    3. +1
      10 September 2015 16: 37
      Quote: Reserve officer
      So it turns out that, according to Sechin, several "privatizers" of the oil industry are at the head of the state economic policy? Then why all the talk about economic models?

      ------------------------------
      So in our country, little has changed since Yeltsin's time ... The oligarchs were simply removed from power, but not from property ... The banks are in the hands of speculators, the real sector is in the hands of "effective" owners ... What more do you want?
    4. 0
      10 September 2015 20: 32
      Quote: Reserve officer
      Then why all the talk about economic models?

      Yes "bye on you again .." (c) Who is talking about new economic modeling? Do you consider the quiet displacement of the power supply to be a new economic construct ?? Or new young reformers, who are also offering a Qatari example of five-year plans with a blue eye? Enough already, it's over. State regulation can still, IMHO, improve matters. Friendship of the GDP should be transferred from Maybachs + deffki to Maybachs in a more modest configuration. Let's say without the $ 60B soccer player and stuff. And to take away from them this illusion that they are "fixers" and keep their finger in the rectum of this fucking power.
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  6. +20
    10 September 2015 14: 59
    Talking about a forecast for several years ahead does not make sense. Because either we will move on to a development model, and this will be a qualitatively new reality that we cannot imagine now.

    The fact that the Soviet inheritance was almost eaten up, and 2-3 years remained is not news. The question is different. At whose expense will the further functioning of the economy be. There are only two options. Either degrease the oligarchs and the like, or crush the people. The government seems to be inclined to the option that it is better to take from the people. And he is already taking certain steps in this direction.
    However, Delyagin writes correctly
    it will be a qualitatively new reality that we cannot imagine now.
    1. one
      +4
      10 September 2015 18: 55
      Quote: Alexander1959
      There are only two options. Either degrease the oligarchs and the like, or crush the people. The government seems to be inclined to the option that it is better to take from the people. And he is already taking certain steps in this direction.

      one of these steps is
      since November, singers, with a car with a carrying capacity of over 12 tons, will unfasten 3,9 r per kilometer
      (this, if the mileage of a running machine, per year 50-75 t.km,
      200-300 tyrov comes out ...)
      before that everyone was forced to put tachographs,
      this is another 60-70t.r from the car.
      almost everything in the country is busy with motor vehicles.
      the question is - who will ultimately pay for it?
      The answer is the end user!
      that is, we are with you, all who eat something, wear, live in something, etc.
      all! and pensioners, and workers, peasants, hucksters, office workers, the unemployed, etc.
      remember a fairy tale?
      "The bear will bow, and your back will bend!"
      sort of like they don’t take us, you can sit on the train .. exactly,
      Yes, only drag from our wallet.
      what
      and how to understand this?
      our road tax is also crammed into the cost of fuel,
      6-7r per liter (if memory serves me right),
      and pay a piece of paper to the tax.
      now triple (!) taxation!
      and these are just flowers
      the berries are waiting ahead ...
      Yes
      1. -4
        10 September 2015 20: 59
        Quote: Someone
        one of these steps is
        since November, singers, with a car with a carrying capacity of over 12 tons, will unfasten 3,9 r per kilometer
        (this, if the mileage of a running machine, per year 50-75 t.km,
        200-300 tyrov comes out ...)
        before that everyone was forced to put tachographs,
        this is another 60-70t.r from the car.
        almost everything in the country is busy with motor vehicles.
        the question is - who will ultimately pay for it?
        The answer is the end user!


        enough to drive, my dear. To explain the increase in tariffs, transportation always has a reason. It is not necessary only to expose transportation as victims of a systemic crisis, corruption and other fluctuations in prices for winter diesel fuel. And about tachographs - do not tell.
  7. +15
    10 September 2015 14: 59
    For development it is necessary to seriously tighten the Criminal Code. In particular, to return as a measure of punishment - the complete confiscation of property from the thief, without any regard for the "property right", including foreign property. Stolen on a large / especially large scale - confiscation, while stolen from the state defense order - life and confiscation.
    1. +3
      10 September 2015 15: 17
      Better compulsory public utility work until the full compensation of the stolen in view of inflation. hi
      1. +5
        10 September 2015 19: 34
        Quote: Castor
        Better compulsory public utility work until the full compensation of the stolen in view of inflation. hi

        Will not work. People do not live that much. Well, if only in the next world they organize socially useful work in favor of the robbed.
    2. +12
      10 September 2015 15: 22
      Quote: Flinky
      For development, you need to seriously tighten the Criminal Code



      This is all talk ... Even what is available in the modern Criminal Code and in general legislation would be quite enough for a real fight against corruption, which is the main cause of all our troubles ...

      However, laws do not work !!!

      And first of all, the main constitutional postulate does not work, which states that before the law, ALL are equal ...
    3. +1
      10 September 2015 16: 52
      The article of the Criminal Code on the confiscation of a stolen person bumps into a wall when trying to consider it in our dear Duma and our "Guarantor" for some reason is against confiscation. In my opinion there will be confiscation - there will be no point in stealing!
      1. +2
        10 September 2015 22: 48
        In our dear Duma, the amendments to the Code of Criminal Procedure, about counting the term of house arrest as half of the actual detention, also hung. Now comes one to one. And notice how it freezes in time. wassat
    4. +5
      10 September 2015 17: 02
      Quote: Flinky
      For development, you need to seriously tighten the Criminal Code.




      We must return to socialism.
  8. +11
    10 September 2015 15: 01
    The causes of the crisis are not sanctions, but the policies of Russian liberals, ...
    So this is a crisis of the entire model of the Russian economy built in the 90s. Roughly speaking, there’s nothing more to steal, and the model begins to choke,

    This was to be expected during the reign of such Pillars of the ECONOMY as MEDVEDEV ... DVORKOVICH ... SHUVALOV ... ULYUKAYEV ... the President of the National Bank ... Their guideline is a free uncontrolled market of the worst spill of the western type. But such a policy makes it possible to quickly accumulate initial capital ... primarily due to PRIVATIZATION ... which is more familiar and clear to us by the term - UNPUNISHED THEFT OF STATE PROPERTY ...
    Say there’s nothing to steal already? MISTAKE !!! The Accounts Chamber refuted this completely by checking Anatoly CHUBAIS NANO-CONCERN !!! His fantasies of cutting public finances have no limits !!!
    But the prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation has no imagination ... and therefore, well, in no way, they cannot appreciate the new exploits of the "red-haired and evil genius of Russia" ...
  9. +1
    10 September 2015 15: 02
    The author of the article is a alarmist, already choking .....
    But we can imagine this, especially if we look at Ukraine.

    In the 90s they looked and it was worse ... Now we are getting out, here is the howl standing on the whole planet! I would say more we occupy a leading position in world politics ..
    from the looting model we will move on to destruction

    We will destroy it and possibly with blood ... It doesn’t work out differently!
    "We are ours, we will build a new world .." Again, alas, there are a lot of ghouls and bloodsuckers.
    Well, in Russia everything is as usual!
    1. +7
      10 September 2015 15: 25
      Quote: MIKHAN
      We will destroy it and possibly with blood ... It doesn’t work out differently!



      Hmm ... But otherwise you can’t nationalize the economy back ...

      And without a nationalized economy (I mean its main industries that influence state sovereignty), you can’t do it, nor can you achieve even a small fraction of what Russia was able to achieve under the USSR ...
    2. +4
      10 September 2015 15: 27
      Quote: MIKHAN
      "We are ours, we will build a new world .."

      Who was nobody, that became nothing .....
    3. +4
      10 September 2015 15: 45
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The author of the article, the alarmist, is already drowning

      Mikhan, and climb onto the site of Delyagin, and read all his thoughts. Little positive, I agree, but the truth is not always pleasant. hi
      1. +1
        10 September 2015 15: 58
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: MIKHAN
        The author of the article, the alarmist, is already drowning

        Mikhan, and climb onto the site of Delyagin, and read all his thoughts. Little positive, I agree, but the truth is not always pleasant. hi

        I agree! But the truth is different, but the essence is one we need to get out .. A nagging tired already .. hi Nevertheless, there is not a bad one in Russia! It is necessary to break through, under the machine guns of the Western (and our liberal) media, and in the bayonet!
        1. +2
          10 September 2015 16: 04
          Quote: MIKHAN
          ! But the truth is different, but the essence is one we need to get out .. And nagging tired already.

          Whining tired, you're right. But it’s better to be an informed pessimist than an optimist in pink glasses! drinks And I would like more positive.
      2. -2
        10 September 2015 16: 46
        but the truth is not always pleasant


        Truth? What truth is this?


        The causes of the crisis are not sanctions, but the policy of Russian liberals, borrowed from the 90s. I remind you that both the devaluation of the ruble and the stampede of capital began in January, 2014, when there was no talk of sanctions, and oil was worth more than $ 105 per barrel.


        Stampede? Complete lies. The second point, Delyagin against the liberals? So why the hell is he worried about the collapse of the liberal economy, after all, attracting foreign capital is the cornerstone of liberals! What kind of economy is this "economist" winner of the space genius prize for? Where the hell is in the world, is there any other model of the economy ??? Are you moaning over the leaked water and a strong hand? Me too, but only so that such "economists" would be sent to the taiga to wave a pick, so that people would not be disturbed by the exhaust of intestinal gases ...
        1. +4
          10 September 2015 17: 16
          Quote: Asadullah
          Stampede? Complete lies.

          And how do you explain the capital outflow? How can you explain that even the companies from the site "made by us" are registered in offshores? Vova seemed to be talking about the need to withdraw capital from offshore companies, so what?
          Quote: Asadullah
          Me too, but only so that such "economists" would be sent to the taiga to wave a pick, so that people would not be disturbed by the exhaust of intestinal gases ..

          Are you for the economy a la Brazil? I would send Ulyukaev to the taiga, and Delyagin to his place, but with the caveat: you won’t do what you promised - after Ulyukaev!
  10. +10
    10 September 2015 15: 06
    Quote: Ilya77
    They steal from the terrible, I work at the factory - I am horrified. In the mid-2000s there was a boss who restored partly everything, the plant flourished. Now they again plundered in a new way, without looking at anyone, just to fill their pocket and dump it. And I know that this is almost everywhere, they steal, regardless of whether you are a liberal, a communist or a monarchist, or someone else. The state began to invest in the defense industry - immediately leeches appeared which were loot, workers and engineers both ran and ran. They began to invest in import substitution - and here the same picture. I don’t know how this will end, most likely nothing.

    example,! Repair of the internal combustion engine - one and a half million rubles. a new installation costs eight hundred thousand rubles. where is the logic? All the logic in the loot bosses !!!
  11. +14
    10 September 2015 15: 07
    Our guarantor of the Constitution constantly complains about the economic bloc of the government. They say that they are always late in making important decisions in the economy. The Prime Minister organizes economic forums every month in different parts of the country (by the way for our money) and is waiting for investments. All these forums end with a slight zilch. He still does not know how to work in a serious state. All functions - collect and share. Collected a little, then there is nothing to share. Hydrocarbons around the head.
    So I have a thought, and is not our Guarantor late in making decisions on the government?
    "The crossing is too long and deep. The horses are clearly not stretched out. We need more enduring horses" !!!
    1. +12
      10 September 2015 15: 15
      Investments are and will be. An example is the Kaluga province. The question is different. Are these foreign investments badly needed? They do not bring new technologies. Recently, foreign automakers asked to extend their period of coarse assembly.
      Salaries are now almost at the level of Chinese.
      It looked good in the late 90s-early XNUMXs. As for now ... I doubt it very much.
    2. +12
      10 September 2015 15: 20
      Quote: indifferent
      So I have a thought, and is not our Guarantor late in making decisions on the government?

      Good thought comes afterwards.
      Quote: indifferent
      Need more endurance horses !!!

      The guarantor has no others and never will be. By the way, these horses at the crossing will drown the luggage and riders, and they themselves will swim somewhere off the foggy or azure shores. A guarantor will explode there.
      1. +8
        10 September 2015 15: 55
        The guarantor sits in a galley, so as not to miss the moment of departure and not to be alone with the people.
    3. +2
      10 September 2015 16: 56
      And our chairman of the government can no longer be allowed to approach this government closer than 100 kilometers!
      1. +1
        10 September 2015 17: 08
        Quote: Saratoga833
        And our chairman of the government can no longer be allowed to approach this government closer than 100 kilometers!



        So they, all these members of his government should not be allowed, not a single one, but for some reason everything is in the classrooms ...
  12. +6
    10 September 2015 15: 08
    ... our insiders need to well celebrate the New Year, and with the help of the fluctuation of the ruble, they will provide themselves with super-high profits.


    That is, something else can be stolen. Author, do I understand correctly?
    Some kind of cloudy article, to be honest. Like, the "elite" will become conscious and begin to develop the real sector of the economy when they steal or have nothing to steal. I do not believe! Pigs do not know satiety. And the pig will find dirt.
  13. +11
    10 September 2015 15: 09
    If everything is private, what could be planning? If you plan, then you need to start with energy. The energy sector needs personnel, steel, cement, machinery. And this is further planning. For any production, communications are needed: roads, water, sewage, electricity. Put the same substation. How much energy will it suck from the system? Will her system pull? I can’t imagine how you can work without planning.
    1. +9
      10 September 2015 15: 11
      If everything is private, what can be planning?
      It’s impossible even for private traders to live without planning; those who don’t know how to plan, they will burn out. wink
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    3. +12
      10 September 2015 16: 16
      About energy. In Siberia, a whole cascade of hydroelectric power stations. Their capacities are underloaded. China receives electricity cheaper than it is sold domestically. In general, I am killed by such a thing as a planned price increase in the energy sector and in the housing and communal services. Just planned, without cost justification, just like that, I just want to. What development is there?
      1. +4
        10 September 2015 16: 26
        My dear man, it’s not you alone who cares lack of travel. Simply thein whose power you can make the necessary decisions, she don't bother. what
      2. +3
        10 September 2015 16: 49
        You need to understand that for the conquistadors there are no domestic and foreign markets, but there are markets in which there is an opportunity to grab more.
    4. +3
      10 September 2015 16: 30
      I can’t imagine how you can work without planning.

      Imagine you can. Otherwise, how can one explain such a quick and "competent transition" to the annual reduction of the country's budget balance? what
    5. +7
      10 September 2015 17: 09
      To plan, you need to immediately nationalize energy, transport, the Central Bank, withdraw all assets from the United States along with gold reserves, communications. This is, after all, elementalism, verified by V.I. Lenin and it worked! Only I, probably, will not wait for this while Putin leads us!
      1. +1
        10 September 2015 21: 40
        I agree with you! It is not possible to conquer Russia, but to break it up quietly and peacefully - simply, we meekly left the covenants. And in Stalin, this is the collapse of a proud and powerful country, this is a great tragedy of a great nation!
  14. +3
    10 September 2015 15: 10
    History is cyclical and we are preparing for this and everything will be tougher! Genes to hell do not give rest and demand revenge .. FOR EVERYTHING AND FOR EVERYONE!
    1. 0
      10 September 2015 20: 32
      Something is not clear what the Germans have to do with our domestic thieves, by the way, Solzhenitsyn wrote, according to the young thief: "Under the Germans, it was impossible to steal, they shot for it" - why not a recipe?
  15. VP
    -7
    10 September 2015 15: 11
    How many populists got divorced ...
  16. +9
    10 September 2015 15: 13
    “It makes no sense to talk about a forecast for several years ahead. or we will move on to a development model, and this will be a qualitatively new reality that we cannot imagine now. Or from the looting model, we will move on to destruction. And this is also a qualitatively different reality. But we can imagine this, especially if we look at Ukraine "....

    That is, OR - OR ....

    The experience gained after the lightning collapse of the USSR in the following years dictates only one thing: we need the first option, development .... And we ourselves are constantly talking about it in VO ... There is no other way ...
  17. +4
    10 September 2015 15: 24
    Interesting article, thanks Michael.
  18. Platon Mironov
    +11
    10 September 2015 15: 31
    From the work May Day of the Revolutionary Proletariat (1913): “For the revolution, it is not enough that the lower classes do not want to live as before. It also requires that the tops cannot manage and manage, as before. ” V.I. Lenin (1870-1924).
  19. +2
    10 September 2015 15: 31
    Interesting article....
    But, whatever one may say: -Nothing can be stolen on the earth !!!
    You can only move from place to place. laughing
    1. +6
      10 September 2015 15: 59
      Serdyukov and Vasilyeva probably answered the prosecutor’s office .... we didn’t steal, we moved. And they don’t put him in charge of moving.
  20. +9
    10 September 2015 15: 49
    A barrel was worth 100 bucks, the exchange rate of 29 rubles was received for 2900 rubles; the treasury was full, now the barrel is 50, the rate of 69 rubles profit in the country is 3450 rubles and is not enough, but if you get rid of the dollar, the budget will have a full ass, and this power will be in London
    1. +11
      10 September 2015 15: 53
      So she lives there for a long time! And here it is ... Just steers winked
      1. +7
        10 September 2015 16: 04
        Quote: Old Warrior
        So she lives there for a long time! And here it is ... Just steers winked

        Yes, it does not steer, but it steals, lives there
  21. +4
    10 September 2015 15: 58
    here about the shootings I read the comments you need to enter ... in such a thoroughly corrupt country, the introduction of executions will lead to the fact that there will be innocents for grandmas to the wall.
  22. +10
    10 September 2015 16: 05
    For some reason, any articles about the future of the Russian economy and industry make me sad and disappointed. Quite a lot of time has passed, and the change for the better is minimal, the overall development dynamics is negative.
    There is a pathetic attempt by a private trader to do something, build, develop. But the state does not develop or build anything, with the exception of areas that influence the protection of loved ones in power.
    We have a rotten system. We live according to the precepts of those who destroyed the union. Our laws are written under the dictation of our outspoken enemies. Some elements in power purposefully sabotage the development of branches of the national economy. Any of us who become part of this rotten system cannot break it. Power steals from the people, the people try to steal from power. Everywhere in all state. factories flourish philosophy "at work you are not a guest, take away at least a nail." Some kind of moronic laws are introduced, reforms, from which there is more harm than good.
    No one sets the tasks to develop, develop, build, do. Because they only buy and sell.
    Of course there are exceptions.
    The system itself is rotten, it must either be destroyed and a new one built, or radically rebuilt.
  23. +14
    10 September 2015 16: 11
    Oh right
  24. +7
    10 September 2015 16: 15
    If in Soviet times, straining brains and putting hands, they managed to figure out 5-7-year plans for accounts and felixes, and besides, they managed to exaggerate these plans, but now, in the age of computers and PCs, you can accomplish something like that. Only, for some reason, not the best thing is happening. Here, most likely, something with hands.
    And at the Far Eastern Economic Forum, an elderly red-haired man whose name is associated with the voucherization of the whole country did not catch anyone's eye? What does this rat continue to do there? Still not squandered and resold? And with whose, interestingly, this Tolik is working tirelessly in the national economy?
    1. +8
      10 September 2015 16: 42
      And with whose, interestingly, this Tolik is working tirelessly in the national economy?

      One team
      1. +4
        10 September 2015 19: 36
        Yes, after this video there is nothing to comment on. There were petty currency swindlers, they became megavors and megacorruptions. The boys did everything (I hope so far).
    2. 0
      11 September 2015 10: 08
      Quote: yuriy55
      And with whose, interestingly, this Tolik is working tirelessly in the national economy?

      Do you know this surname Putin and the post of president?
  25. +4
    10 September 2015 16: 24
    What are you, citizens, shooting and planting and confiscating ... Ah, sorry to ask who will do it? Where are these eagles and falcons, honest and incorruptible. Maybe someone knows, so let him share knowledge ....
    So it seems to me that they will start stealing even more, since the "richness" of the people ends. In Europe, only those who have a lot of money will live - and we know them all at a glance, what's the point?
    And the "guarantor" has already run around with the stooltkin and the "artist". And rightly so, homies do not hand over, you look and come in handy.
  26. +6
    10 September 2015 16: 27
    Quote: antoXa
    but you won’t change the psychology of people quickly, for many this is bestiality in the blood! It is necessary to raise a normal next generation, this is in my opinion the main task for today! I suggest everyone to start with themselves and their children!

    Fish, as you know, rots from the head, if there are such tops, then the bottoms too. Who then will solve the task of raising the younger generation? In general, with horror you think that all these will lead the country to complete ruin, and not to economic development. that personally, I’m a decent person and raised decent children, nothing will change. It’s necessary to change the psychology of society, and how it is done from history is well known in Russia. Until a couple are shot, others will not be scratched.
  27. +2
    10 September 2015 16: 28
    The article is a plus, but the point is. Who is listening to them. Not until reading, it is necessary to steal yet, but to the people in the ears sweet words to sing. And suddenly wakes up.
  28. 0
    10 September 2015 16: 35
    So I wrote to LifeNews literally an hour ago (but the so-called moderators did not let the commentary). Seven ministries subordinate directly to the president (and these are mainly power ones) work, but 17 (!), Subordinate to the prime minister, are only ministries The Ministry of Culture, the Ministry of Sports, the Ministry of Economic Development (it is better to call it the Ministry of Economic Fall), the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Agriculture ... This is the fiefdom and prerogative of Medvedev. And the liberals have dug in there, you know who is at the head. And until they are dispersed, the economy will not rise.
    1. +1
      10 September 2015 21: 39
      It’s time to clarify the names of the ministries, the Ministry of Culture, the Ministry of Economy, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Agriculture, etc.
  29. +5
    10 September 2015 16: 38
    .In corruption, Russia is in 136th place. We are even worse than in Pakistan.
  30. +3
    10 September 2015 16: 45
    I respect Delyagin as a specialist in economics, but in the meanings he is confused: (C) The causes of the crisis are not sanctions, but the policies of Russian liberals

    Those who continue the robbery of the country, which began in the open at the turn of the 90s, first of all the Thieves, the second FIFTH COLUMN, and who they are in the third - I personally do not care much ...
  31. +5
    10 September 2015 17: 10
    Is Putin so helpless? It is often written that it is necessary to amend the constitution, expand powers, and hold a referendum. And now, who is stopping him? they are like brothers with Medvedev, i.e. the government for him, the security forces for his own, probably the same. who is against it? We are told by the bureaucratic apparatus, well this is ridiculous, the silviks will quickly learn to love their homeland only tell them, then Putin is silent. And why? The problem is private property. Both Putin and Medvedev, the government, and security officials have overgrown with private property created by generations of Soviet people and they should leave it like a hunt. They don’t know how to quit everything and save Russia, or perish together, but don’t give up their (stolen) one.
    I'm waiting for what they choose.
  32. +1
    10 September 2015 17: 32
    It is written a little, but in the case.
    I'll try to reflect and I.

    “The plan was not a law, but just a forecast, serving as a guideline for the economy, business and officials.
    But when the state refuses to give everyone guidance ... ".

    The whole failure of these assumptions, and with them the whole economic model, lies in the fact that both the plan and the state only rant and only about benchmarks.
    And what to do, and, moreover, the state does not take upon itself. Both entrepreneurs and enterprising citizens each understand this in their own way. And what is easiest to do when in the guidelines - a lot of good left by the descendants and forces of the state, which has become a draw. Yes, yes - in a draw. It used to be popular, but after the counter-revolution it became NOTHING.
  33. +2
    10 September 2015 17: 32
    Read more.

    There is only one thing left - to appropriate all the good, that is, to BREAK. A lot of good. The looting process is long. At the output, what do we have? A bunch of thieves and ZERO manufacturers of new good.
    And this process will not end as long as the state "GIVES REFERENCES". Landmarks can only be given to the level of theft. You can still (on your six), more - no, no. And then the fight against corruption!

    We could continue to speculate, but I do not want to. People have already lost the habit of reading and thinking. Ah, here's something to steal ...
    Probably, from this sensation, the author quickly turned off his reasoning. Absolutely correct!
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  35. +4
    10 September 2015 17: 49
    Quote: Alex66
    Is Putin so helpless? It is often written that it is necessary to amend the constitution, expand powers, and hold a referendum. And now, who is stopping him? they are like brothers with Medvedev, i.e. the government for him, the security forces for his own, probably the same. who is against it? We are told by the bureaucratic apparatus, well this is ridiculous, the silviks will quickly learn to love their homeland only tell them, then Putin is silent. And why? The problem is private property. Both Putin and Medvedev, the government, and security officials have overgrown with private property created by generations of Soviet people and they should leave it like a hunt. They don’t know how to quit everything and save Russia, or perish together, but don’t give up their (stolen) one.
    I'm waiting for what they choose.

    I don’t know what kind of private property "created by generations of Soviet people" they have acquired, but I do know that they have acquired something created by generations in Europe and colored pieces of paper with presidents of different generations. They have EVERYTHING there - there are only positions and, according to the declarations, there is no nichrome. Yes, here and nichrome and not necessary - after all, and so on everything ready. Mansions and summer cottages do not count - they are not theirs or were built on stolen goods - and this is not particularly necessary to regret ... They will not live in them, let alone children. I think it's still enough to steal for 20 years, and then what, I don't give a fuck, I won't live ...
  36. 0
    10 September 2015 18: 14
    Quote: antoXa
    It is necessary to raise a normal next generation, this is in my opinion the main task for today!


    You don’t worry so much, the state has already thought for you in this direction ... especially at my place.
  37. +8
    10 September 2015 18: 26
    Gloomily. But on business. The Duma, which can not pass the law on pedophilia. It seems that these pedophiles gathered there. Against confiscation, yes, they’ll take everything from them! Nationalization, or Khokhlyatsky option for further development.
  38. +5
    10 September 2015 18: 37
    Not who or what in the government will not change the president himself said "we will continue liberal reforms", so according to Delyagin, the next phase is destruction, then everyone understands chaos, alas, we cannot live without shocks
  39. +3
    10 September 2015 19: 26
    Nothing more to steal
    Ty on you. In modern conditions, they begin to steal after the words "It is necessary to allocate money for ..." and before the words for what exactly this money should be allocated.
  40. +3
    10 September 2015 19: 27
    Quote: vorobey
    Quote: Ilya77
    They steal from the terrible, I work at the factory - I am horrified.


    Did they write to the prosecutor’s office?

    And do not steal there?
  41. +4
    10 September 2015 20: 15
    Delyagin said A, but does not say B. So why bother about the obvious? At least some of my own ideas. And then he prays for Gaidar's raw material model of the 90s, which is already clearly bankrupt? This is incomprehensible only to Tuzik. He is busy. Chases fleas. Where will we go without the Second Industrialization on a new number base? Only to pump oil and gas into the tundra? "Cadres decide everything," said Comrade Stalin and began by putting things in order in the financial system.
  42. +4
    10 September 2015 20: 26
    The author, apparently, has not been to the factories for a long time. There is still something left to steal, and effective managers are not at all trying to do it all. For this, all kinds of ooo.oao are created. which disappear as well as appear.
  43. +4
    10 September 2015 21: 18
    No matter how you twist a lot of smart people in our country. Even in the early 90s, those who were farsighted said that this frolic would be enough to frolic until 2012-15. It is clear that there is still something to steal, but every year this site will only narrow.
  44. +1
    10 September 2015 22: 58
    Brzezinski, speaking with our scientists on the missile defense problem, noted that “he does not see a single case in which Russia could resort to its nuclear potential, while in American banks there is $ 500 billion owned by the Russian elite. - And then he added: you still figure out whose elite it is - yours or ours already. This elite does not in any way connect its fate with the fate of Russia. They have money there, the children are already there ...
    .
    http://topwar.ru/37876-bzhezinskiy-chinovniki-rossii-derzhat-v-ssha-500-mlrd-dol
    larov-ownstvennyh-sredstv.html
    Until we figure out whose elite it is, until the elite is national .... no matter what laws you pass, hell they will be executed, no matter what decrees the President issues, they will follow them. On the recent form of the All-Russia People's Front "For affordable medicine, it was stated that out of 185 orders of the president on health care, only 69 have been fulfilled. This is a clear sign that officials have put something on the Decrees and other orders of the GDP. So why should they be persuaded? Like little children:" Eat for Mom .. eat for Dad .. " wassat
    It is high time for the guarantor to use power.
    1. +1
      11 September 2015 10: 12
      Quote: Alexander1959
      It is high time for the guarantor to use power.

      But does he not use power? Uses, don’t you see around the results?
  45. +3
    11 September 2015 00: 54
    Laws and logic in Russian ...
    It is possible to take away a building from the kindergarten or museum in favor of the church, because it belonged to the church 90+ years ago.
    But it is impossible to take away from the oligarch for the benefit of the country a processing plant illegally seized 20 years ago. wassat
  46. +1
    11 September 2015 01: 28
    Quote: veksha50
    Quote: Flinky
    For development, you need to seriously tighten the Criminal Code



    This is all talk ... Even what is available in the modern Criminal Code and in general legislation would be quite enough for a real fight against corruption, which is the main cause of all our troubles ...

    However, laws do not work !!!

    And first of all, the main constitutional postulate does not work, which states that before the law, ALL are equal ...

    I would even say that the constitution is a filkin letter. It seems to be there and it seems that everything is so correct, but nobody cares about it.
    We created a "market" ... And what responsibility can there be in the market?
    One thing is clear - the end of the thieves unwashed Russia is already close. Something new will appear or oblivion will come. In short, Delyagin speaks correctly.
  47. +4
    11 September 2015 04: 02
    The inevitability of punishment should become fashionable in our state. So that a person knows that any of his applications will be considered, if confirmed, then measures will be taken. How dashingly our citizens file complaints against doctors. So famously that soon the ambulance and the polyclinics will simply be afraid to go to work. And why also not start to ride on the thieves in power and in posts? Yes, because they understand that they will hit you and that's it. Either they will be expelled from work and will not be taken anywhere else, or ... well, you understand. There should be an oprichnina with only a president. And this oprichnina should identify not only criminals, but also those who are in the same bond with them, cover them and protect them. And then punish. Confiscation and ban on civil service. Planting is not necessary.
  48. 0
    11 September 2015 04: 37
    Quote: Zomanus
    The inevitability of punishment should become fashionable in our state. So that a person knows that any of his applications will be considered, if confirmed, then measures will be taken. How dashingly our citizens file complaints against doctors. So famously that soon the ambulance and the polyclinics will simply be afraid to go to work. And why also not start to ride on the thieves in power and in posts? Yes, because they understand that they will hit you and that's it. Either they will be expelled from work and will not be taken anywhere else, or ... well, you understand. There should be an oprichnina with only a president. And this oprichnina should identify not only criminals, but also those who are in the same bond with them, cover them and protect them. And then punish. Confiscation and ban on civil service. Planting is not necessary.

    Oprichnina is good! It's just bad that the sender of that oprichnina can send it to the wrong place and to the wrong ones. "The retinue makes the king" - and we have a "guarantor". And what we see, where they sent whom, although the "oprichnina" before and more and different and all under the "guarantor" and all want to eat deliciously.
    It seems to me that they will soon create another anti-corruption office with an anti-corruption office, and then another one of the same ... "Something is wrong in the conservatory" ....
  49. 0
    11 September 2015 08: 57
    Quote: ALABAY45
    Well, and not only: "While the people are illiterate, of all the arts for us the most important are cinema and the circus!" The circus is not going to go anywhere, and the "kin", apparently, will no longer be there ..


    But they kept quiet about the "circus". When waved that Cropped Quote.
  50. +1
    11 September 2015 10: 05
    I read the article, read the comments. And no one (the vast majority, in any case) said many thanks to Putin for everything that was happening. Or, as always, has nothing to do with it?
    1. 0
      11 September 2015 23: 27
      Very good question, I note.
  51. 0
    11 September 2015 10: 27
    Yes, I also think, when it comes to our entire leadership, that it is better to have your own cool lunar module with blackjack and that very thing, and protect it with an army and independent politics, and not rely on a one-time super profit, squandering the Soviet inheritance
  52. +1
    11 September 2015 10: 32
    And the people who are over 40-45, by the way, for the most part have already begun to work at the enterprise coolly. People have lost faith in their bosses' mantras: “You have to work better to get more.” In this country, it is not those who work well who live well, but those who lead those who work well. Therefore, people began to work only within the limits of their responsibilities without showing any initiatives, moreover, they began to neglect their responsibilities, because why, they wouldn’t pay anymore anyway.
  53. 0
    11 September 2015 18: 49
    Medvedev needs to be removed from the government, but no one will remove him while all these people who came to power in the 2000s are in power...
    1. 0
      12 September 2015 16: 26
      And in his place, you probably have a toad under pressure aaaaaaa???????????
      admit it honestly
  54. 0
    11 September 2015 23: 26
    If only it didn’t reach those in power too late. After all, it’s high time to cut through the liberal tangle.
  55. 0
    12 September 2015 07: 20
    And all because we have some very effective managers putting other very effective managers in charge of ministries. In our country's leadership there is complete SERDYUKOVism, with all that it implies....
  56. +1
    12 September 2015 11: 20
    No, there are still reserves of theft. All championships and forums - come to us (so what, what a crisis)! Build, build everything you can do without and repair, repair what has just been repaired! For the rest - optimization (get out of here!) and vacations at your own expense. And the promised 30 million jobs are waiting for us at the market!
  57. 0
    12 September 2015 16: 20
    They stole, they steal and will steal.
    In which country do they not steal? Yes, everywhere, and corruption in the West is worse than in Russia,
  58. 0
    12 September 2015 22: 12
    federal account balances exceed 9 trillion rubles


    Where did you get these numbers from?
  59. 0
    13 September 2015 08: 37
    The article is very interesting, I think the thoughts presented are correct, the development model adopted in the 90s was initially incorrect. Liberals, aka “effective managers” (read: thieves!) latched on to hydrocarbons and energy - the industries had a huge margin of safety since the times of the USSR, they had to invest a meager amount of money in development, the main task was to evade taxes and organize the transfer of funds abroad , which they quickly managed to solve with the help of their lobbyists in the Duma. In reality, only a few were involved in developing production and investing in high-tech technologies, but they were put under pressure and forced to play by their own rules. The principle of divide and conquer was quickly learned by the “redhead and his comrades”; it was only for the collapse of the unified energy system, not counting the voucherization operation, that it was possible to declare him a state criminal with all the ensuing consequences, but no one gave the go-ahead and thieves of lesser rank successfully took advantage of this. I don’t argue that there were attempts to organize demonstrative floggings, but this was all done more as an “excuse”, so to speak, to calm the masses. Now a whole “has grown up.” a caste of untouchables (those for whom anything is possible!), they have “connections” at the very top and, apparently, even in the GDP, it is very difficult to fight them. They don’t want to deal with the economic power of the country, and they won’t, but why? THEY already have everything THERE. Therefore, now it is very important how to “settle this problem” bloodlessly, without expropriations and revolutions. The state can do this if it wants.