The exhibition in China shows the layout of the Russian-Chinese heavy helicopter

The Chinese Aviation Industrial Corporation AVIC brought a model of a Russian-Chinese heavy helicopter developed as part of the Advanced Heavy Lifter project (AHL) to the exhibition of helicopter technology held in Tianjin (China). blog Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

According to the information provided, the maximum take-off mass of the future machine will be 38.2 tons, maximum speed - 300 km / h, practical ceiling height - 5700 meters, flight range - 630 km. It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines, produced by the Ukrainian Motor-Sich PJSC.

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[bulvas]

Here it is not clear:

It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.

The next helicopter will be China + Ukraine?

[Ruslan]

I don’t understand why the People's Republic of China this hemorrhagic, I would just buy a license for the production of Mi-26, and after that I would have done my own, using the experience gained. Well, they know better.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

It is understood that the current Gauleiters will be merged and by the time production begins, Motorsich will work for Russia or China.

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin

It is understood that the current Gauleiters will be merged and by the time production begins, Motorsich will work for Russia or China.

But what about the import substitution policy?

[iouris]

Dleo is not in Gauleiter, but in the fact that private property is sacred. While the Gauleiters will be drained, the best forces will flee to China, Iran, the EU or the USA. From the existing enterprise will remain ruins.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: bulvas

Here it is not clear:

The next helicopter will be China + Ukraine?

Nope, it’s much easier to change the unit than the project partner.
Rather, India will join, or someone else, at least in the status of a supplier.

[inkass_98]

Correctly write: "Will NOT be equipped with Motor Sich engines."

[Sukhoi]

There will be no Ukrainian engine there. PD-12 will be delivered.

[gjv]

Quote: Sukhoi

There will be no Ukrainian engine there. PD-12 will be delivered.

Permians are still producing PD-14 aircraft - only an experimental batch for flight tests. The stage of readiness of PD-12 is not very audible.

[Sukhoi]

True, yours, but talking about any readiness of the helicopter is more than premature. So, given the realities of today, there is no reason to doubt its (PD-12) installation on a future helicopter.

[VP]

Well, so far only a cardboard helicopter

[Dezinto]

Again, these tricky ones, our technologies threw themselves on a flash drive!?!?

Then, without us, they’ll turn on the conveyor ...

[just exp]

why this conveyor still has not mastered the blades for the aircraft engines of our dryers.

[2sila]

I read up to: "...... Ukrainian PJSC Motor Sich" and broke off. Probably there will be no such helicopter ...

[marlin1203]

But they do not buy components for engines on Motorsich for an hour from us? ..

[iouris]

Opinion. During the existence of the Russian Federation, the management of OJSC "Klimov" in St. Petersburg only pretended to produce engines. In fact, apparently, they were waiting for the price of the land occupied by the plant's territory to rise to unprecedented heights. All this time, Motor-Sich was successfully engaged in the production of engines of the TV2-117 family. Of course, in Zaporozhye, a design team was formed around the existing production, and personnel training was organized. During this time in St. Petersburg, science and the system of personnel training degraded. Now the plant, apparently, has finally moved from the Lesnaya station to the outskirts of the city. However, given the background of the issue, the price of labor in St. Petersburg, it is unlikely that it will be possible to "raise" production. It would be better to focus efforts on supporting enterprises in other cities. Also, the prospects of the Zaporozhye enterprise look very vague. These are the results of the course towards the collapse of the country with the aim of privatization according to Chubais.

[gas113]

And Ukraine cookie instead of motors does not slip ?? Insecure item.

[Ruslan]

so China is dangerous to throw, they will send 50 million refugees in revenge :)

[Oleg14774]

Quote: ruslan

will send in revenge 50 million refugees :)

The Ukrainian government is on the drum. They lived happily ever after. The people will be sinking.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: Oleg147741

Quote: ruslan

will send in revenge 50 million refugees :)

The Ukrainian government is on the drum. They lived happily ever after. The people will be sinking.

Well don't tell.
The crucifix of revolutions has not yet been canceled.
Who knows what color will fall and where the wind will blow. Man assumes, but God disposes.

[dsi]

It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.

I believe when the layout is being implemented by then the engine manufacturer will become Russian.

[RusDV]

Quote: dsi

It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.

I believe when the layout is being implemented by then the engine manufacturer will become Russian.

101% ... otherwise it will not work .... from "SICH" only the name remains ... the engines in fact will be different ... By the way, many from SICH are already working in Russia in new workshops ...

[Editor]

the Chinese like a different conversation with Ukraine ... - but still - how much can you walk on a rake? What did the MI-26 not suit?

[Penetrator]

Quote: Redactor

What did the MI-26 not suit?

Really. True, the Mi-26 takes off weight one and a half times more - maybe the Chinese do not need such giants? Or maybe the price does not suit.

[Cleric]

The project apparently has the goal of distributing construction capacities at Chinese sites.

[Mountain shooter]

China will force Motorsich to supply it with engine technology, and set up production. And there will be "happiness" for everyone. In general, such plans are often written with a pitchfork on the water. Dragons are always on their minds. Yes, only Russia is no longer the same as in the 90s, and it doesn’t give intellectual property just like that.
And in general, it seems that this is the reincarnation of the Mi-6. On the new base, it is clear, but the basic dimensions are similar.

[Penetrator]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And in general, it seems that this is the reincarnation of the Mi-6. On the new base, it is clear, but the basic dimensions are similar.

What is it like "main dimensions"? The Mi-8 is at least three times smaller.

[avia1991]

Quote: Penetrator

Mi-8 at least three times less.

Not the eighth, but the Mi-6:
take-off weight - 40500kg
load capacity: 8000 kg (or 9000 on an external sling)
rotor diameter - 35 meters.
the number of passengers is approximately 60 people.
Data for Mi-6A, a sample, if I am not mistaken, of the 70-71th year.
So the parameters are quite similar

[gjv]

It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.

Mb AI-136T (D-136-2). It was created on the basis of the serial D-36 series 1 and is equipped with a new fan with wide-chord variable sweep blades, due to which it was possible to increase thrust on take-off mode from 6500 to 6930 kgf (by 7%) and reduce specific fuel consumption from 0,350 to 0,333 kg / kgf . h (5%). In cruising mode, the improvement of these indicators is even more noticeable - by 11 and 7%, respectively. The new engine will provide power at a maximum take-off mode of 11500 hp, which will be maintained up to t N = 50 ° C. While the D-136 provides 11400 hp. to a temperature of + 15 ° C. An emergency mode with a capacity of 14500 hp was also introduced. (year 2009).

[Corsair0304]

Mi-26 to resign? Or will it just be competitors?

[avia1991]

Quote: Corsair0304

Mi-26 to resign?

I suppose neither one nor the other: the Mi-26 is beyond competition, its carrying capacity of 20 tons so far does not allow anyone to come close. Here are other tasks, as I understand it: Greater versatility, the ability to use both transport and passenger with decent capacity.
By the way, this is supported, in particular, by the difference in weight characteristics: about 56 tons of take-off for the Mi-26 versus 38 for this newcomer That is, the Mi-26 is a more specialized machine. The newcomer should, by the versatility of application, approach the Mi-8mu.
I think something like that

[avia1991]

I won’t understand anything:

It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.

This is WHY done ?? Another "help to the Ukrobander brotherly people"? !! YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ENOUGH?
Let only the Chinese do not say that this was their condition for participating in the project!

[Wedmak]

It's just that the Chinese are not yet in the know. Maybe Ukraine is friends with China, but not with Russia, but it will develop a turntable. It is necessary to somehow save Motor Sich, otherwise it will bend.

[roskot]

Joint development, and Chinese production, Ukrainian engines. But the layout is not production yet.

[atamankko]

But what about the isolation of Russia and with
shredded economy?

[Evgeny59]

Neither the ceiling, nor the range, nor the carrying capacity is impressive. Why fence the garden?

[Sirs]

The Chinese are learning to design large helicopters - that's all! IMHO

[avia1991]

Quote: Evgeny59

Neither the ceiling, nor the range, nor the carrying capacity is impressive.

Oh really? What do you compare with - with the IL-76? For comparison, bring an import helicopter similar in characteristics?

[aviator1913]

Motor Sich does the same for engines of Russian Helicopters for export and does so. So far, our Klimov engines are not trusted abroad, only Belarusians take it. Plus, Klimovites do not have the ability to produce such a number of engines, which is why they buy from Ukrainians, they learned how to make engines there in due time.

[shans2]

what nonsense did you write? in Klimov, engines were invented and are being invented, experimental batches are being done there, now the production of engines is already set up in small numbers, what is being done in Ukraine is the old Soviet models.

[aviator1913]

what nonsense did you write? in Klimov, engines were invented and are being invented, experimental batches are being done there, now the production of engines is already set up in small numbers, what is being done in Ukraine is the old Soviet models.

I wrote that in Ukraine there are new technologies in the production of engines? I just wrote that so far only a small series is on Klimov. And to satisfy our export contracts, Klimov’s capabilities are not enough. I also wrote that the engines are still raw from the point of view of operation, but nobody and us still use them in Mil helicopters, so foreign customers are asked to install time-tested engines based on Soviet engines from Ukraine. And by the way, they do not sit on Motor Siche either, and over the past 20 years the engines have pretty much modernized.

[31rus]

Ukrainian does not mean bad, that’s why the concern created Chinese money, the order is the same and the helicopter will be Chinese, in fact it’s their troubles

[msm]

China is scam. He promised to give long-term loans up to 35 billion, but at the last moment refused it. He promised to finance the gas pipe that they want to lay it, and he will allocate only 1,5 billion for everything ... This is also the WORD - this China!