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The exhibition in China shows the layout of the Russian-Chinese heavy helicopter

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The Chinese Aviation Industrial Corporation AVIC brought a model of a Russian-Chinese heavy helicopter developed as part of the Advanced Heavy Lifter project (AHL) to the exhibition of helicopter technology held in Tianjin (China). blog Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.


The exhibition in China shows the layout of the Russian-Chinese heavy helicopter


According to the information provided, the maximum take-off mass of the future machine will be 38.2 tons, maximum speed - 300 km / h, practical ceiling height - 5700 meters, flight range - 630 km. It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines, produced by the Ukrainian Motor-Sich PJSC.

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  1. bulvas
    bulvas 9 September 2015 09: 46 New
    +6
    Here it is not clear:

    It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.


    The next helicopter will be China + Ukraine?



    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 9 September 2015 09: 54 New
      +1
      I don’t understand why the People's Republic of China this hemorrhagic, I would just buy a license for the production of Mi-26, and after that I would have done my own, using the experience gained. Well, they know better.
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 9 September 2015 09: 59 New
      +4
      It is understood that the current Gauleiters will be merged and by the time production begins, Motorsich will work for Russia or China.
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 9 September 2015 10: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
        It is understood that the current Gauleiters will be merged and by the time production begins, Motorsich will work for Russia or China.


        But what about the import substitution policy?
      2. iouris
        iouris 9 September 2015 11: 17 New
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        Dleo is not in Gauleiter, but in the fact that private property is sacred. While the Gauleiters will be drained, the best forces will flee to China, Iran, the EU or the USA. From the existing enterprise will remain ruins.
    3. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 9 September 2015 10: 17 New
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      Quote: bulvas
      Here it is not clear:




      The next helicopter will be China + Ukraine?

      Nope, it’s much easier to change the unit than the project partner.
      Rather, India will join, or someone else, at least in the status of a supplier.
    4. inkass_98
      inkass_98 9 September 2015 10: 55 New
      0
      Correctly write: "Motor Sich will not be equipped with engines.
      1. Sukhoi
        Sukhoi 9 September 2015 11: 57 New
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        There will be no Ukrainian engine there. PD-12 will be delivered.
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        2. gjv
          gjv 9 September 2015 13: 34 New
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          Quote: Sukhoi
          There will be no Ukrainian engine there. PD-12 will be delivered.

          Permians are still producing PD-14 aircraft - only an experimental batch for flight tests. The stage of readiness of PD-12 is not very audible. request
          1. Sukhoi
            Sukhoi 9 September 2015 15: 53 New
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            True, yours, but talking about any readiness of the helicopter is more than premature. So, given the realities of today, there is no reason to doubt its (PD-12) installation on a future helicopter.
          2. VP
            VP 9 September 2015 16: 16 New
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            Well, so far only a cardboard helicopter
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 9 September 2015 09: 46 New
    +6
    Again, these tricky ones, our technologies threw themselves on a flash drive!?!? smile

    Then, without us, they’ll turn on the conveyor ...

    1. just exp
      just exp 9 September 2015 10: 26 New
      +1
      why this conveyor still has not mastered the blades for the aircraft engines of our dryers.
  3. 2sila
    2sila 9 September 2015 09: 47 New
    +12
    I read to: "...... Ukrainian PJSC Motor Sich" and broke off. Probably such a helicopter will no longer be ....
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 9 September 2015 10: 35 New
      0
      But they do not buy components for engines on Motorsich for an hour from us? .. laughing
      1. iouris
        iouris 9 September 2015 11: 13 New
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        Opinion. During the existence of the Russian Federation, the management of Klimov OJSC in St. Petersburg only pretended to produce engines. In fact, apparently, they were waiting for the price of the land occupied by the territory of the plant to rise to unprecedented heights. All this time, the production of engines of the TV2-117 family was successfully dealt with by Motor Sich. Of course, in Zaporozhye, a design team was formed around the existing production, training was organized. During this time, in St. Petersburg, science and the training system have degraded. Now the plant, apparently, has finally moved from the Lesnaya station to the outskirts of the city. However, given the background of the issue, the price of labor in St. Petersburg is unlikely to “raise” production. It would be better to direct efforts to support enterprises in other cities. Also, the prospects of the Zaporizhzhya enterprise look very foggy. These are the results of the course for the collapse of the country with the goal of privatization according to Chubais.
  4. gas113
    gas113 9 September 2015 09: 47 New
    +5
    And Ukraine cookie instead of motors does not slip ?? Insecure item.
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 9 September 2015 09: 52 New
      +3
      so China is dangerous to throw, they will send 50 million refugees in revenge :)
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 9 September 2015 10: 00 New
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        Quote: ruslan
        will send in revenge 50 million refugees :)

        The Ukrainian government is on the drum. They lived happily ever after. The people will be sinking.
        1. Yuri from Volgograd
          Yuri from Volgograd 9 September 2015 10: 19 New
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          Quote: Oleg147741
          Quote: ruslan
          will send in revenge 50 million refugees :)

          The Ukrainian government is on the drum. They lived happily ever after. The people will be sinking.

          Well don't tell.
          The crucifix of revolutions has not yet been canceled.
          Who knows what color will fall and where the wind will blow. Man assumes, but God disposes.
  5. dsi
    dsi 9 September 2015 09: 48 New
    +2
    It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.

    I believe when the layout is being implemented by then the engine manufacturer will become Russian.
    1. RusDV
      RusDV 9 September 2015 09: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: dsi
      It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.

      I believe when the layout is being implemented by then the engine manufacturer will become Russian.

      101% ... otherwise it won’t work out ... from "SICH" there’s only a name left ... engines in fact will be different ... By the way, many from SICH already work in new workshops in Russia ...
  6. Editor
    Editor 9 September 2015 09: 51 New
    +2
    the Chinese like a different conversation with Ukraine ... - but still - how much can you walk on a rake? What did the MI-26 not suit?
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 9 September 2015 10: 02 New
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      Quote: Redactor
      What did the MI-26 not suit?

      Really. True, the Mi-26 takes off weight one and a half times more - maybe the Chinese do not need such giants? Or maybe the price does not suit.
      1. Cleric
        Cleric 9 September 2015 12: 08 New
        0
        The project apparently has the goal of distributing construction capacities at Chinese sites.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 September 2015 09: 53 New
    +3
    China will force MotorSich to deliver engine technology to it, and will arrange for release. And there will be "happiness" to all. In general, such plans are often written with a pitchfork. Dragons are always on your mind. Yes, only Russia is no longer the same as in the 90s, and it simply does not “rip off” intellectual property.
    And in general, it seems that this is the reincarnation of the Mi-6. On the new base, it is clear, but the basic dimensions are similar.
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 9 September 2015 10: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter

      And in general, it seems that this is the reincarnation of the Mi-6. On the new base, it is clear, but the basic dimensions are similar.

      What are the similarities of the "main dimensions"? Mi-8 at least three times less.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 9 September 2015 10: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Penetrator
        Mi-8 at least three times less.

        Not the eighth, but the Mi-6:
        take-off weight - 40500kg
        load capacity: 8000 kg (or 9000 on an external sling)
        rotor diameter - 35 meters.
        the number of passengers is approximately 60 people.
        Data for Mi-6A, a sample, if I am not mistaken, of the 70-71th year.
        So the parameters are quite similar hi
  8. gjv
    gjv 9 September 2015 09: 56 New
    +3
    It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.

    Mb AI-136T (D-136-2). It was created on the basis of the serial D-36 series 1 and is equipped with a new fan with wide-chord variable sweep blades, due to which it was possible to increase thrust on take-off mode from 6500 to 6930 kgf (by 7%) and reduce specific fuel consumption from 0,350 to 0,333 kg / kgf . h (5%). In cruising mode, the improvement of these indicators is even more noticeable - by 11 and 7%, respectively. The new engine will provide power at a maximum take-off mode of 11500 hp, which will be maintained up to t N = 50 ° C. While the D-136 provides 11400 hp. to a temperature of + 15 ° C. An emergency mode with a capacity of 14500 hp was also introduced. (year 2009).
  9. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 9 September 2015 10: 00 New
    +2
    Mi-26 to resign? Or will it just be competitors?
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 9 September 2015 10: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Mi-26 to resign?

      I suppose neither one nor the other: the Mi-26 is beyond competition, its carrying capacity of 20 tons so far does not allow anyone to come close. Here are other tasks, as I understand it: Greater versatility, the ability to use both transport and passenger with decent capacity.
      By the way, this is supported, in particular, by the difference in weight characteristics: about 56 tons of take-off for the Mi-26 versus 38 for this newcomer smile That is, the Mi-26 is a more specialized machine. The newcomer should, by the versatility of application, approach the Mi-8mu.
      I think something like that hi
  10. avia1991
    avia1991 9 September 2015 10: 15 New
    0
    I won’t understand anything:
    It is planned that the Russian-Chinese development will be equipped with two D-136 engines produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich PJSC.
    This is WHY done ?? Another "help ukrobanderovskim brotherly people"? !! YOUR DEVELOPMENTS NOT ENOUGH?
    Let only the Chinese do not say that this was their condition for participating in the project!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 9 September 2015 10: 54 New
      0
      It's just that the Chinese are not yet in the know. Maybe Ukraine is friends with China, but not with Russia, but it will develop a turntable. It is necessary to somehow save Motor Sich, otherwise it will bend.
  11. roskot
    roskot 9 September 2015 10: 15 New
    +1
    Joint development, and Chinese production, Ukrainian engines. But the layout is not production yet.
  12. atamankko
    atamankko 9 September 2015 10: 15 New
    +1
    But what about the isolation of Russia and with
    shredded economy?
  13. Evgeny59
    Evgeny59 9 September 2015 10: 41 New
    0
    Neither the ceiling, nor the range, nor the carrying capacity is impressive. Why fence the garden?
    1. Sirs
      Sirs 9 September 2015 11: 05 New
      0
      The Chinese are learning to design large helicopters - that's all! IMHO
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 9 September 2015 16: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Evgeny59
      Neither the ceiling, nor the range, nor the carrying capacity is impressive.

      Oh really? What do you compare with - with the IL-76? For comparison, bring an import helicopter similar in characteristics?
  14. aviator1913
    aviator1913 9 September 2015 11: 24 New
    0
    Motor Sich does the same for engines of Russian Helicopters for export and does so. So far, our Klimov engines are not trusted abroad, only Belarusians take it. Plus, Klimovites do not have the ability to produce such a number of engines, which is why they buy from Ukrainians, they learned how to make engines there in due time.
    1. shans2
      shans2 9 September 2015 13: 40 New
      0
      what nonsense did you write? in Klimov, engines were invented and are being invented, experimental batches are being done there, now the production of engines is already set up in small numbers, what is being done in Ukraine is the old Soviet models.
      1. aviator1913
        aviator1913 10 September 2015 09: 36 New
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        what nonsense did you write? in Klimov, engines were invented and are being invented, experimental batches are being done there, now the production of engines is already set up in small numbers, what is being done in Ukraine is the old Soviet models.


        I wrote that in Ukraine there are new technologies in the production of engines? I just wrote that so far only a small series is on Klimov. And to satisfy our export contracts, Klimov’s capabilities are not enough. I also wrote that the engines are still raw from the point of view of operation, but nobody and us still use them in Mil helicopters, so foreign customers are asked to install time-tested engines based on Soviet engines from Ukraine. And by the way, they do not sit on Motor Siche either, and over the past 20 years the engines have pretty much modernized.
  15. 31rus
    31rus 9 September 2015 11: 28 New
    0
    Ukrainian does not mean bad, that’s why the concern created Chinese money, the order is the same and the helicopter will be Chinese, in fact it’s their troubles
  16. msm
    msm 9 September 2015 12: 19 New
    +3
    China is scam. He promised to give long-term loans up to 35 billion, but at the last moment refused it. He promised to finance the gas pipe that they want to lay it, and he will allocate only 1,5 billion for everything ... This is also the WORD - this China!