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Poroshenko will not go to Moscow ...

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President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko once again gives reason to "admire" the complete lack of adequacy of President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko. Perhaps for the first time in stories the world economy, the state credited economically, not wishing to spend money on the repayment of the loan, declares that “it is not going to give any privileges to the creditor”. Yes, we heard right - Poroshenko said that Ukraine provided “privileges” to one of its creditors, as they went to restructure a part (20%) of Ukrainian foreign debt, while Russia had such a generous gift as “privileges” from Peter the Great’s shoulder, you know, does not shine ...




“Privileges” is, apparently, the fact that Kiev is going to pay loans at all, plus pay at new interest rates ...

Poroshenko during his meeting with the IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde was generally in shock and sprinkled with such pearls, which can be collected in a separate volume. In addition to the fact that he, Poroshenko, will not provide any "privileges" to Russia, since Moscow refused to participate in the process of restructuring Ukrainian foreign debt, the president of "Square" said the following:

Negotiations have been held, there is no and there will be no default, and Russia should decide by the end of the year: either she is smart, or she is beautiful.


That is, in Poroshenko’s understanding, it is Russia that “must be determined” by whether to demand Kiev to pay Kiev’s debt on time or not. But Poroshenko, naturally, “both smart and beautiful,” states unequivocally — we don’t want to give a debt, because the default doesn’t threaten us anyway, because other creditors went to restructuring ...

In principle, nothing new, except, of course, the presentation of information by Pyotr Alekseevich, no one heard ... Nothing new, since the conversation the Ukrainian “partners” once again bring to the plane of waiting a big freebie. They say that we have nothing to pay, but we are not going to pay for now, but we will wait for the creditors to take turns in delaying the repayment terms, and then, perhaps, completely abandon the credit claims against nenke. How it used to say Lyonya Golubkov:



Just about - that “partner” ... Moreover, judging by his behavior, Pyotr Alekseevich himself believed that insolvent creditors could now set conditions for creditors.

By the way, a few days before communicating with Christine Lagard Poroshenko, who said who, what and how much Russia “should”, signed a document saying that Russia is “an adversary and an aggressor” for Ukraine. Thus, Poroshenko actually refers (now according to the officially adopted Ukrainian military doctrine) to the “aggressor” -Russia (for he himself has declared us like this) with a veiled proposal to postpone the payment of the 3 billionth debt. And this is also a unique phenomenon in Ukrainian, when the “aggressor” is being asked for economic preferences ... This is the whole of modern Ukraine, this is the whole “partner” of Poroshenko ...

In Russia, meanwhile, they stated that Poroshenko’s “privileges and the most beautiful” could keep his “privileges” with him, and the 3 billion-dollar debt should be returned on time - by the end of this year. The question that sounds sharp in Shakespeare is: will it return or not?

By and large, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund (and the sponsoring fund of the Russian Federation is also included in the IMF) made Poroshenko understand that he, Poroshenko, is “exempt” from default this year. As if she handed the decree about the postponement ... But at the same time, Ms. Lagarde reminded Poroshenko that Ukraine’s debt to the Russian Federation is sovereign (state), and therefore it is necessary to return it, if required, to foreign countries investment.

But, it seems that statements that if Kiev did not pay Russia by the end of December, then foreign investment would be largely blocked, Peter Alekseevich was not particularly scared. After all, Pyotr Alekseevich is ready at any moment to get out of his briefcase a new military doctrine composed recently, in which it is printed in black and white that the Russian Federation is an “aggressor”. It is like such a “joker” in the hands of Kiev and in the understanding of Kiev itself - they say, it’s only Russia that we don’t pay on debts, because it’s an “aggressor” for us, and we’ll pay all the rest - “we swear by the revolution of dignity” ... Western partners are unlikely to be somehow too zealously pushing to Kiev, demanding repayment of the loan to Russia. Is it necessary for the European Union or the IMF? ..

That is why Russia needs to be prepared for the fact that the budget by the end of the year will not receive 3's billions of dollars from Ukraine, because Kiev will dodge as it pleases, just to delay the arrival of a technical default. The most civilized, and, perhaps, it is also the most effective step that Russia can take in this situation - to file a lawsuit in an international court, if the money is not returned in time. And, there is an opinion that the court will satisfy this claim, although the litigation may drag on for years. Satisfy for the simple reason that the IMF recognizes the debt of Ukraine to Russia as sovereign, as they say, “returnable”. But he will not be satisfied immediately, in order to give Kiev the opportunity to postpone the arrival of what has long been hanging over Ukraine ...

Poroshenko is well aware, and therefore at the moment when Western creditors gave him a short respite, he is trying once again to announce that he is "committed to the implementation of the Minsk agreements." According to Poroshenko, Ukraine has “three options” from which he, Poroshenko, chooses the third. And here are the options themselves: the first is the military operation in the Donbass “followed trip to Moscow”, The second is dissociation and a complete rejection of Donbass, the third is the implementation of the Minsk agreements and the work to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

But this is an appeal to the Ukrainian radicals, in front of which Poroshenko is trying to justify himself. Like, I would not mind and move my “invincible armada” to Moscow, but I’m the “president of the world” ... Yes, and if Merkel and Hollande were to agree, one can wait for the debt restructuring by most of the creditors ...

In general, Poroshenko is maneuvering, maneuvering, maneuvering — he is trying to bypass frank shoals and protruding rocks. Another protruding rock is a debt in 3 of a billion to Russia, the payment of which Ukrainian radicals-pravoseki will not understand, and non-payment of which can lead to an unofficial drain of Ukraine by investors who can ignore the pointer from above and understand that freeloaders partners better keep their money away.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 9 September 2015 06: 42 New
    +9
    “Poroshenko-Poroshenko” is just a talking head or a pawn in the hands of Washington.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 9 September 2015 09: 24 New
      +24
      And here are the options themselves: the first is a military operation in the Donbass “followed by a campaign to Moscow”
      he won’t go to Moscow, you say? Fffuu! .. straight from the heart relieved ... laughing
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 9 September 2015 09: 39 New
      +26
      "Poroshenko will not go to Moscow"
      Well, glory to you, Lord! And then we have suffered so much fear over these year and a halflaughing
      1. larand
        larand 9 September 2015 11: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        "Poroshenko will not go to Moscow"
        Well, glory to you, Lord! And then we have suffered so much fear over these year and a halflaughing

        The USA will command and will go.
        1. oldzek
          oldzek 9 September 2015 12: 30 New
          +3
          as in the movie "Volga-Volga" to the fireboxes and to the bushes itself.
        2. Andrey Petrov47
          Andrey Petrov47 9 September 2015 20: 39 New
          +2
          I quote Lavrov: Morons, b ...
        3. Suhow
          Suhow 10 September 2015 21: 36 New
          +2
          Striped orders and go ... Interestingly, with what and with whom ??? Given the equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, with such a campaign, Svidomo will end quickly, and from the recruits of the bearded wave of mobilization, the part with the received weapons will go back to Poroshenko with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - bite the sweets. And it’s unlikely that the remaining svidomye will allow him to dump him abroad. Regarding three lard, although I’m not from Ukraine, I’ll turn off the gas and cut the rations to partners, in good cold weather the new kayuk will quickly link they won’t take a ride on the Russian aggressor, and so the current situation here has bothered many (meaning Ukraine), we are waiting for the leader ...
          1. larand
            larand 11 September 2015 07: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Suhow
            Striped orders and go ... It is interesting and with what and with whom ??? Given the equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, with such a trip Svidomo quickly end


            And the lives of Svidomo are not interested in either Volzman or striped. The main thing is that the Slavs will kill and hate each other.
            1. Suhow
              Suhow 11 September 2015 23: 27 New
              0
              Waltzman, Svidomo’s lives are certainly not interested, but Svidomo valued their lives and therefore run to the Rada, the more so they have armed battalions, therefore, and taking into account yet another “slander” of the Valtsman, they are forced to keep their horses.
      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak 9 September 2015 12: 51 New
        -1
        Quote: siberalt
        Poroshenko will not go to Moscow


        So it's time to bring the political map in proper form!
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        2. Tankomaster
          Tankomaster 9 September 2015 20: 09 New
          +5
          Put a minus, because Odessa in this card gave Svidomo, Odessa - the pearl of the sea was and will be a Russian city, but with a multinational population. But she will be with us in Russia ...
        3. Andrey Petrov47
          Andrey Petrov47 9 September 2015 20: 41 New
          +1
          Interesting. Why jumped?
      3. alex13-61
        alex13-61 10 September 2015 09: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        "Poroshenko will not go to Moscow"

        To go then, of course, the gut is thin ... And he cannot refuse the sluggish conflict ... for - = kerdyk ...
        1. shershen
          shershen 10 September 2015 10: 06 New
          0
          Imagine how he drives around Kiev in a car with the inscription "To Moscow!"
      4. shershen
        shershen 10 September 2015 10: 03 New
        +4
        It is sinful to laugh at sick people.
        "Tortsanulo" of a man, and you are mocking me.
        He must be treated. The gauntlets.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 9 September 2015 10: 11 New
      +4
      Poroshenko will not go to Moscow ...
      how so? and we cooked the “lyuley" pickled! request
    4. papas-57
      papas-57 9 September 2015 10: 27 New
      +1
      `` The lender is not going to provide any privileges. '' The aggravation began. Treatment will not help, only surgery, only surgically.
      1. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich 9 September 2015 16: 27 New
        +2
        "without waiting for peritonitis" (C)
      2. Sergey777
        Sergey777 9 September 2015 18: 28 New
        0
        Autumn is in the yard, and here’s another seasonal exacerbation, you need a man to drink a haloperidol course smile
        1. ty60
          ty60 10 September 2015 21: 56 New
          0
          Correct, drip. Through the system. For these are not tablets, of which one is enough hi
      3. shershen
        shershen 10 September 2015 10: 07 New
        0
        Joking as a joke, but it would be interesting to know the opinion of psychologists and psychiatrists about politicians (especially ours!).
        But I'm afraid such information will immediately fall under "extremism."
    5. ermolai
      ermolai 9 September 2015 10: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: avvg
      talking head or pawn in the hands of Washington.

      Well, probably this head also has ears on which it can get shaken if it wants to twist it with debt, it happened to us that if there is no chance to get a debt, we got satisfaction in other ways, though then we will forget how to grunt, start crowing.
    6. revnagan
      revnagan 9 September 2015 11: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: avvg
      “Poroshenko-Poroshenko” is just a talking head or a pawn in the hands of Washington.

      That sho!? And I thought that Poroshenko is a “partner”, “Pyotr Alekseevich,” “president of Ukraine" ... And then what turns out to be !? What, Russia has not seen WHO recognizes as a "Ukrainian partner" ? Why didn’t they immediately make it clear to the whole world that no one was the new "leadership" of Ukraine, and there was no way to call them? Having recognized, they thereby legitimized both the "government" and the "president", and all their "bzdyks", and now why blame it ?
    7. Echelon
      Echelon 10 September 2015 18: 42 New
      +2
      It is precisely in order not to pay debts that they can go, realizing that I can’t scoop up the most, but they will present everything in the media as Russian aggression.
      It’s a very suitable scenario for avoiding default and breaking the economy into the abyss. Indeed, in default, internal conflict and new hotbeds of tension are more likely.
  2. Name
    Name 9 September 2015 06: 45 New
    +16
    Fairytale country Ruin! Here and Jaresko issued another tale on the mountain:In Kiev, they again promised to make Ukraine a prosperous state. In only a quarter of a century, the GDP of Ukraine, according to forecasts by the head of the Ministry of Finance of the country Natalia Yaresko, will be equal to the GDP of Switzerland of the 2014 sample
    seehttp: //www.vestifinance.ru/articles/62149 With such a president, everyone will "blossom" ...
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 9 September 2015 07: 40 New
      +10
      Quote: name
      Fairytale country Ruin! Here and Jaresko issued another tale on the mountain:In Kiev, they again promised to make Ukraine a prosperous state. In only a quarter of a century, the GDP of Ukraine, according to forecasts by the head of the Ministry of Finance of the country Natalia Yaresko, will be equal to the GDP of Switzerland of the 2014 sample
      see http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/62149

      Under Kuchma, they were going to become the second France, under Yushchenko - the second Poland. Now the challenge is Switzerland. However, in the first two states the population is comparable to the population of Ukraine, and in Switzerland it is almost six times smaller. That is, based on the calculation of GDP per capita, the tasks (even in the propaganda plan) are becoming less and less global. So soon Liechtenstein will be chosen as a guideline.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 9 September 2015 07: 56 New
        +6
        Nooooo, nor Liechtenstein - Honduras, here is a new guide for springboks.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 9 September 2015 08: 37 New
          +1
          That is why Russia needs to be prepared for the fact that the budget will not receive 3 billion dollars from Ukraine by the end of the year, because Kiev will dodge whatever it takes to delay the arrival of a technical default.

          Here is the case when the proverb: "Put it away - take it closer!" - does not work.
      2. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 9 September 2015 09: 46 New
        +14
        Penetrator
        Under Kuchma, they were going to become the second France, under Yushchenko - the second Poland. Now the challenge is Switzerland.

        The second Switzerland is good! But why at someone else’s expense?
        Or am I completely stupid .. or it is not clear to me everything is explained ... but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING - WHY DO WE MANDATORYLY CHARGE A PART OF THE DUTY OF DROP? WHY DO I NEED TO FEED EUROPEAN PEOPLE AT THE ACCOUNT OF MY FAMILY? WHY AT OUR DISCLAIMER TO SEPARATE FINANCE FROM YOUR FAMILY WE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS? WE THAT ... DO NOT WANT OR SHOULD NOT ... NORMAL LIVE?
        Accustomed to DROPPING to consider themselves exceptional ... that is, they demand everything for a "freebie" ... it's time to lower them to the ground. And they will return the loan .. I have already expressed my opinion on this matter ...
        1. ty60
          ty60 10 September 2015 21: 59 New
          -1
          By the way, a freebie is a bootleg on a surzhik. hi
      3. AID.S
        AID.S 9 September 2015 09: 58 New
        +2
        As for Liechtenstein and its GDP, I advise you not to quit, especially per capita.
        1. 97110
          97110 9 September 2015 12: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: AID.S
          As for Liechtenstein and its GDP, I advise you not to quit, especially per capita.

          What a joke. New methods for calculating GDP have appeared. There, proceeds from prostitution, drug trafficking, and other unaccounted income from all kinds of illegal business areas, to this point, are taken into account. Since there is no exact data on such incomes, but butterflies (nightly ones) are there, then as soon as Ukroamertsami set a figure, UA on GDP at least per capita, even per capita, will be ahead of the rest.
      4. Pharao7766
        Pharao7766 9 September 2015 10: 04 New
        +7
        hi
        France, Poland, Switzerland ...
        If we are talking about sizes, then yes - of course they will! bully
        1. atos_kin
          atos_kin 9 September 2015 11: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Pharao7766
          then yes - of course they will!

          Yugoslavia ... "kingdom of heaven."
      5. shershen
        shershen 10 September 2015 10: 08 New
        0
        What's so small? They need to immediately become Atlantis.
    2. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 9 September 2015 13: 26 New
      +3
      She promised that in a quarter of a century ..... And there either the donkey would die or the paddies!
    3. ppgt90
      ppgt90 9 September 2015 21: 02 New
      -1
      The increase in Ukraine’s GDP will be achieved by the active labor of Ukrainian women in brothels in Europe. Everything with a small letter is not a mistake. They can’t make money with their heads and hands, well, there are other organs.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 9 September 2015 23: 43 New
        0
        Quote: ppgt90
        The increase in Ukraine’s GDP will be achieved by the active labor of Ukrainian women in brothels in Europe. Everything with a small letter is not a mistake. They can’t make money with their heads and hands, well, there are other organs.

        That's right, last year the EU did not hesitate to formally include taxes on prostitution in the size of GDP repeat A "Ukraine tsezh Europa" (c) fool
    4. ty60
      ty60 10 September 2015 21: 58 New
      0
      GDP in a particular piglet wallet will really grow!
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 September 2015 06: 45 New
    +3
    Negotiations have been held, there is no and there will be no default, and Russia should decide by the end of the year: either she is smart, or she is beautiful.

    And Russia is smart and beautiful. Therefore, she does not want to forgive the cunning and already grimy Ukraine debts. And so they supported so many years at their own expense, despite all the nastiness.
    once again gives occasion to "admire" the complete lack of adequacy of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko

    And I don’t even want to talk about this. Not just inadequate, but it feels like he and the whole elite are mentally unhealthy, moreover seriously.
    1. captain
      captain 9 September 2015 08: 26 New
      +29
      You can, of course, be outraged about Poroshenko’s statements, but the fact is clear - Ukraine does not have money and it will not pay. It is easier for him to declare or provoke a war with Russia. And no one will have to pay and immediately raise the rating. If you believe the statements of our leaders, we have invested in Ukraine about 225bn. dollars and not the fact that we will return at least half. And it’s not clear why our banks capitalized their subsidiaries in Ukraine, no one was going to give us money. The courts of Ukraine, in the claims of our banks against borrowers, we lose. Even if we win all the international courts, Ukraine has nothing to pay. we lost money and will have to write it off, as we did with respect to Cuba, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, etc. Yes, the whole world is fighting to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine, the world wants to get its money back, but we still forgive the debt to the fraternal people, then why should we fight for the territorial integrity of Ukraine? Are we acting as the mother of Thoreza? Or do our people live richer than everyone else? Please explain to me why we need the territorial integrity of a state where more than half the people hate us? Why are we trying to make Ukraine the second huge, after Poland, Russophobic country? Do our rulers really not understand that hatred of Russia in Ukraine is brought up at the state level from kindergarten? Everything must be done so that the Southeast leaves Ukraine completely or at least as part of 6 regions. Otherwise, we will get a second Poland at our side.
      1. Kawaii_Strelok
        Kawaii_Strelok 9 September 2015 12: 15 New
        +5
        Well, how is it not understood !!!!!
        This is a classic! Transfer money to a risky asset, and then write off as non-repayable)))
        Thus, yards of money (((
      2. Awaz
        Awaz 9 September 2015 17: 02 New
        0
        as for me, they will pay these unfortunate 3 billion. Fight, but pay. It is trying to maintain the integrity of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, so that it would somehow repel the invested money. But mainly private money was invested in Ukraine. In any case, they will work with their investments and try to repel them. But these are generally their problems, although in some places they are intertwined with ours.
        Of course, we must understand that nothing can be returned at once (I'm talking about 225 billion), but this money is invested in something and it works poorly poorly. Work for the oligarchs. But the oligarchs will still return theirs.
        So we don’t really have to twitch here. They pay interest regularly and except for air shaking, while in any case, nothing on this topic happens.
  4. moskowit
    moskowit 9 September 2015 06: 47 New
    +5
    Well, thank God! And then we already pasta with cereals, salt, matches stocked. The cellar was strengthened in the country ... They prepared to hack. It’s not where to run.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 9 September 2015 08: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: moskowit
      And then we already pasta with cereals, salt, matches stocked
      The dried hedgehog was prepared for the winter ...
  5. Sasha75
    Sasha75 9 September 2015 06: 48 New
    +7
    You can’t drink wrong, I look at him, and I’m afraid to drink better than any torpedo.
    1. Poldol
      Poldol 9 September 2015 17: 30 New
      0
      I generally recently started. It was a shame that they say "thump like Parashenka"!
  6. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 9 September 2015 06: 48 New
    +5
    Maybe he is not Walzman? Such nonsense is constantly ....
  7. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 9 September 2015 06: 49 New
    +3
    Porshenko with his government is already in the toilet, it remains to press the button.
  8. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 9 September 2015 06: 50 New
    +1
    Christmas trees - green! and I was waiting, I was preparing all .......... not morning - disappointment!))))
  9. meriem1
    meriem1 9 September 2015 06: 51 New
    +1
    I wonder how this circus will end? The quarter has remained. We take seats in the stalls. The denouement is nearing.
    1. Angara
      Angara 9 September 2015 07: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: meriem1
      I wonder how this circus will end? The quarter has remained. We take seats in the stalls. The denouement is nearing.

      And did you take Zhiguli’s with ram? wink
  10. oldav
    oldav 9 September 2015 06: 54 New
    +3
    I remember the cries of VR Solovyov on the air when Putin signed an agreement to provide a loan of 15 billion. Then everything was turned around at the temple, WHY?!?!
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 9 September 2015 15: 44 New
      +6
      Then, in order to default Ukraine in December and reset all its debts, including Western ones. Because non-payment of one Eurobonds makes it unreasonable to pay the rest. Anyway, the country is an investment corpse.
      Then, in a few years, the country can be picked up, shaken, washed. Divided into parts, rebranded)) and fastened in the form of a buffer zone, but nobody needs us. The level of life there will certainly be low, but do we still need migrant workers? Let’s start them from Asia? Well, they will also grow sunflower and corn. And we won’t build industry there anymore ..
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 9 September 2015 23: 40 New
        0
        Quote: bootlegger
        Then, in order to default Ukraine in December and reset all its debts, including Western ones. Because non-payment of one Eurobonds makes it unreasonable to pay the rest. Anyway, the country is an investment corpse.
        Then, in a few years, the country can be picked up, shaken, washed. Divided into parts, rebranded)) and fastened in the form of a buffer zone, but nobody needs us. The level of life there will certainly be low, but do we still need migrant workers? Let’s start them from Asia? Well, they will also grow sunflower and corn. And we won’t build industry there anymore ..

        In my opinion, the first sensible reflection on the subject of Ukrainian debts. Correctly thinking, colleague, with a future perspective, and for years at 15-20 looked ahead, and not tomorrow, like many.
  11. oldav
    oldav 9 September 2015 06: 56 New
    +2
    Explain to me please; Putin said that someone guarantees this loan (insures). What kind of organization is this and will it really compensate us for bad debt?
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 9 September 2015 13: 26 New
      0
      Moreover, the guarantee of the bond is a syndicate of insurance companies (underwriters), which allowed to put Eurobonds on the market. ,,
      these are these bonds.
    2. alovrov
      alovrov 9 September 2015 13: 31 New
      +2
      These are Eurobonds, they are guaranteed by international underwriters. They will pay the debt if the papers are presented. Ukraine will not pump them out, which means that European commercial structures will pay. Everything is simple.
    3. alovrov
      alovrov 9 September 2015 13: 31 New
      0
      These are Eurobonds, they are guaranteed by international underwriters. They will pay the debt if the papers are presented. Ukraine will not pump them out, which means that European commercial structures will pay. Everything is simple.
  12. koksalek
    koksalek 9 September 2015 06: 57 New
    +4
    Why did they give money if they knew that they would not return
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 9 September 2015 07: 07 New
      +1
      This is a way of enslaving states. It is described in one document in 1904 and since then is considered a fake, despite the consistent implementation of all points of the plan set out in it.
  13. Turk
    Turk 9 September 2015 07: 08 New
    0
    Quote: meriem1
    I wonder how this circus will end?

    As always, the circus will leave and the clowns will flee.
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 9 September 2015 07: 08 New
    0
    Poroshenko maneuvers, maneuvers, maneuvers - trying to get around frank shoals and sticking rocks.

    Yes. But for every tricky ... there is, as you know, something with a screw.
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 9 September 2015 07: 09 New
    +6
    Poroshenko will not go to Moscow... Lords, sirs, peers,
    Know a sense of proportion -
    Avoid drinking you like a trap;
    A short path awaits us
    And the stronger the whiskey
    All the more so, sirs, there will be your days.
  16. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 9 September 2015 07: 10 New
    +3
    It maneuvers, maneuvers, but may not catch ... winked Rocks will be stronger than his head or more powerful lol So, to distort the information about the rocks and inner peace, you have to wrap glasses with vodka ... Everyone is calmer in heart winked laughing And the rocks seem no longer insurmountable, and the shallows are not terrible, and the boat called "Ukraine" reliable crying
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  18. Tktyfern
    Tktyfern 9 September 2015 07: 28 New
    +5
    Poroshenko went too far in the words and deeds to serve his criminal masters, in whom it cannot be said that their hands are in blood to the elbow, and to the very top. Poroshenko is not simple, as some imagine him. Lying, quirky, cynical, greedy, cowardly ..... This is still mildly said. He will manage to do a lot of nasty things about Russia. It is interesting in which country it will be saved if it manages to escape from the bloodless and ruined ruins. Really in Russia.
    1. Poldol
      Poldol 9 September 2015 17: 34 New
      +1
      Yanukovych Parashenka: "Petya, Rostov is not rubber !!!".
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 September 2015 07: 54 New
    +1
    And I was already prepared to meet the troops of dill in their victorious campaign against Moscow. Sheer disappointment.
    Jumpers do not want to give money. And Russia in particular. True, in this scenario it will not work out for them, but the nerves will be agitated, they will work with their tongues and spoil the air. Only Europe had more urgent tasks, elections in the mattress, territory 404 feels abandoned by the bride at the time of the wedding ...
  20. azbukin77
    azbukin77 9 September 2015 07: 59 New
    +2
    "A crest will remain a crest
    Though you let him in Europe
    Where to act with the mind,
    He only annoys f * ck.
  21. FASO
    FASO 9 September 2015 08: 03 New
    +2
    Gorochoratsya moronic !! But you still have to give !!
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 9 September 2015 09: 27 New
      +1
      Not a fact ... international debt obligations "
      according to emerging practice, you can soooo long for a long time.
      1. Poldol
        Poldol 9 September 2015 17: 36 New
        +2
        Well, the Frogs with the Mistrals have been purging for 8 months, but the loot was returned as pretty.
  22. KBR109
    KBR109 9 September 2015 08: 22 New
    +4
    And for the sake of all this, once again Ukrainians will receive preferential prices from Russia for gas, coal, energy from Russia and everything will be like last winter. The Russians will pay for everything. Not an article but a whistle in a pipe ...
    1. ty60
      ty60 10 September 2015 22: 14 New
      -1
      Bolt them with a left-hand thread. As an advantage, spray VD40 before insertion.
  23. Para bellum
    Para bellum 9 September 2015 08: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: name
    Fairytale country Ruin! Here Yaresko also issued another tale on the mountain: In Kiev, they again promised to make Ukraine a prosperous state. In only a quarter of a century, the GDP of Ukraine, according to the forecasts of the head of the Ministry of Finance of the country Natalia Yaresko, will be equal to the GDP of Switzerland of 2014
    seehttp: //www.vestifinance.ru/articles/62149 With such a president, everyone will "blossom" ...

    It reminds a fairy tale about how Haja Nasredin promised the shah to teach the donkey to talk. After 25 years, either the donkey will die, or the shah ...
  24. SergeySeverny
    SergeySeverny 9 September 2015 08: 40 New
    +1
    Poro the puppy doesn’t remember what he says
  25. Black cat
    Black cat 9 September 2015 09: 03 New
    +1
    We know these "international courts", we must prepare for the fact that they will not give anything, but it’s worth going to the court.
  26. atamankko
    atamankko 9 September 2015 09: 04 New
    0
    Psychiatrists and narcologists, from whom did Petya run away?
  27. morpogr
    morpogr 9 September 2015 09: 17 New
    +3
    This is a clinic, and not amenable to treatment, only isolation with rigid fixation.
    1. Poldol
      Poldol 9 September 2015 17: 39 New
      -1
      On a figure close to Parasha, a soldier prays to a member?
  28. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 9 September 2015 09: 27 New
    +5
    And why am I not at all surprised.
    Probably because:
    1. Theft of Russian gas - the national sport of Ukrainians.
    2. Airplanes An - paid - not delivered.
    3. Engines for Russian warships paid - not delivered.
    so why will they act differently with a loan?
    1. Poldol
      Poldol 9 September 2015 17: 40 New
      +2
      You still forgot about Chinese grain!
  29. Nasty
    Nasty 9 September 2015 09: 42 New
    +3
    Ukarin will not give money, of course. We will sue, lose for political reasons in 10-12 years. And as a result, we write off the debt, and first, we restructure the interest by 30-50. But this will not change the role.
    1. ermolai
      ermolai 9 September 2015 13: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Nasty
      Ukarin will not give money, of course. We will sue, lose for political reasons in 10-12 years. And as a result, we write off the debt, and first, we restructure the interest by 30-50. But this will not change the role.

      and that so many ruins are allowed to live? when out of 15 lards they gave only 3, they probably knew that they would have to forgive, but they received some kind of pressure lever. and then they were given under Eurobonds, that is, as I understand it, for this money the geyrop will keep an answer. We have already received the Crimea, but the West is trying not to remember, and 5 lard fshe whistle went off, we will wait for the UN General Assembly that the GDP will say about all this haggling that the fsha is preparing. it has not yet said its word for China, for explosions in China, and Svidomo also owe it for paid grain, but have not yet presented it. so everything interesting is ahead.
  30. vladimirw
    vladimirw 9 September 2015 10: 17 New
    +1
    Kiev will not pay us, this is for sure! And the water court is another question, it may not be in our favor.
  31. Evgeny59
    Evgeny59 9 September 2015 10: 35 New
    +1
    De_bi_zm representatives of Ukraine is already starting to get.
  32. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 9 September 2015 10: 36 New
    +6
    And give loans to them from right to left. Dobryaki. Who appreciated this ?? Bulgaria closed the space? Europe that owes us? If my grandfather were alive, he would have stupefied it !!! Our pension will get a discount on gas first !!! Then the rest !! !
  33. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 September 2015 10: 36 New
    0
    There they wrote about this loan that they took it not directly, but through an office. It turns out the type of factoring. That is, not Ukraine will return the money to us, but this office, which is the guarantor. And then the penalty will be charged to Ukraine for late payment. By the way, America is also a guarantor of Ukraine for a number of loans ...
  34. Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 9 September 2015 10: 52 New
    +1
    four-day "news"
  35. Andrey Draganov
    Andrey Draganov 9 September 2015 11: 03 New
    -1
    Poroshenko is the main clown of Khokhlov, but in fact no one calls him anything.
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  37. Sargaras
    Sargaras 9 September 2015 11: 15 New
    +2
    "President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko once again gives occasion to" admire "the complete lack of adequacy"

    I don’t think that Poroshenko is completely inadequate, such oligarchs do not become. Simply, he scrupulously follows the instructions that he was sent down “from above”.
  38. provincial
    provincial 9 September 2015 12: 50 New
    +2
    Advice or tip for our Minister of Finance Saluyanov-RITUAL FOR RETURN OF THE DEBT
    Conduct this ritual on the black moon (that is, before the new moon). At sunrise, light a wax candle, go to the window located on the eastern side of the house (apartment), and exhale three times on this breath:
    "I am sending to the slave (s) (full name of the debtor) will begin.
    Let this slave (y) (name) burn and burn,
    drives in corners, breaks bones to him (her).
    He doesn’t eat, sleep, drink until (name) returns the debt!
    In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Amen!"
  39. Rostislav
    Rostislav 9 September 2015 13: 20 New
    +2
    Russia has enough ways to multiply the country 404 by "0".
    It makes no sense. Break apart just to break apart?
    If there was a possibility of the arrival of loyal forces to power in Russia, then the collapse would be ensured.
    So far, only the outright fascists have come to power. And work in Ukraine to return it to the orbit of Russia is not visible at all. Only statements like "so you, Bandera, and it is necessary."
    It is sad to realize this, but the record "Country 404" is a long-playing one.
  40. Weyland
    Weyland 9 September 2015 13: 34 New
    +1
    A trip to Moscow is cool! A special cimesis is that the language of international diplomacy is still французский, and in it for 200 years there has been an idiom "campaign in Moscow", meaning "obviously disastrous business" laughing
  41. runway
    runway 9 September 2015 13: 42 New
    +1
    Ukraine will pay or not pay - we will leave these games for those who issued loans to maintain their business there.
    That’s what kind of income Russia will pay $ 50 billion to the former owners of Yukos - it will be more interesting. Feel the difference - 3 billion and 50 billion dollars, and even the penalty for late payment is already dropping .... Here on this payment you can say for sure: "Why should I pay for your disassembly from my pocket?" Our current leaders divided the money among themselves, and pay the penalty to everyone else? On such tricks there is always a device with a screw.
    As for the division of Ukraine.
    Do not rush with spoons.
    If it turns out that Ukraine breaks up into spheres of influence, then for Russia this will be the worst option, because territories beyond our control will be our constant bleeding wound.
    Russia needs an integral fraternal Ukraine. IMHO.
  42. den3080
    den3080 9 September 2015 13: 50 New
    +2
    The IMF recognizes Ukraine’s debt to Russia as sovereign, as they say, “repayable.”

    Did I miss something?
    Christine Lagarde stated something like this:
    I don’t make decisions on my own ... The IMF board of directors (managers) will state its attitude (determination) to Ukraine’s debt to Russia, is it public or sovereign debt or private.

    Where is the "IMF recognizes ..."?

    In my opinion, it’s clear enough what and how this “advice”, which dances to the tune of the USA, can determine. Or is it not clear?
    The only reason they drag out time: this decision - how to file?

    The kaklov should have a "pawn" to which most of the problems can be attributed. Will it be the Yatsenyuk pawn or the Poroshenko pawn? All.
    But Russia does not see money in any case.
    Who is the enemy (not kaklyatsky, they do not care about Western puppeteers) gives such money?
  43. lukke
    lukke 9 September 2015 14: 41 New
    0
    read the headline and immediately relieved ...
  44. X Y Z
    X Y Z 9 September 2015 15: 21 New
    +1
    But, it is thought that statements that if Kiev does not pay Russia a debt by the end of December will largely block the path of external investment, Pyotr Alekseevich was not particularly scared.


    Why should he be scared? The collapse (financial) of Ukraine is not beneficial to anyone, neither to us, nor to "Western partners." Therefore, they will either throw a coal, then money, then a discount on gas, etc. The only thing that can scare him is the statement by the American ambassador that America is leaving and that he is completely free in his actions. Here he would only run to the airport.
  45. EvgNik
    EvgNik 9 September 2015 15: 40 New
    0
    3 billion, yes 3 billion .... Hesitated already with this small thing. Ukraine already owes us so much that no economist will name the exact amount. Starting from the construction of the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station - ending with the lands presented to her by our good kings. It is cheaper for her to surrender herself and restore everything herself.
  46. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 9 September 2015 17: 02 New
    +1
    Not surprised. Not at all. And most importantly, Ukraine will not give a damn, but we swallow it, or we’ll spread the snot for years through the courts and all kinds of suits, instead of choosing the money that is rightfully ours through energy ... But no, politics ... ....
  47. konvalval
    konvalval 9 September 2015 18: 30 New
    0
    In addition to these ill-fated billions, there is also gas at world prices to change the doctrine.
  48. Vega
    Vega 9 September 2015 19: 06 New
    0
    Gas - give, money - give, but I’ve chipped as I’ll be chipping.
  49. strelok581
    strelok581 9 September 2015 19: 08 New
    +1
    ..... will not go to Moscow? Ugh ... somehow relieved. Oh, they are very formidable.
  50. izGOI
    izGOI 9 September 2015 19: 25 New
    0
    But of the three voiced by "Don Pedro" options, you need to choose "two-plus." This is when Nezalezhnaya recognizes the referendum in Crimea, removes the Armed Forces of Ukraine, others and beyond the administrative borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, for which he asks the Russian Federation to forgive the debt. After this, Petro Lyakseych gets on a plane and hides from the territory of Nenko, as sooner or later it will have to be done, the main thing is not to be late.