Poroshenko will not go to Moscow ...

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President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko once again gives reason to "admire" the complete lack of adequacy of President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko. Perhaps for the first time in stories the world economy, the state credited economically, not wishing to spend money on the repayment of the loan, declares that “it is not going to give any privileges to the creditor”. Yes, we heard right - Poroshenko said that Ukraine provided “privileges” to one of its creditors, as they went to restructure a part (20%) of Ukrainian foreign debt, while Russia had such a generous gift as “privileges” from Peter the Great’s shoulder, you know, does not shine ...



“Privileges” is, apparently, the fact that Kiev is going to pay loans at all, plus pay at new interest rates ...

Poroshenko during his meeting with the IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde was generally in shock and sprinkled with such pearls, which can be collected in a separate volume. In addition to the fact that he, Poroshenko, will not provide any "privileges" to Russia, since Moscow refused to participate in the process of restructuring Ukrainian foreign debt, the president of "Square" said the following:

Negotiations have been held, there is no and there will be no default, and Russia should decide by the end of the year: either she is smart, or she is beautiful.


That is, in Poroshenko’s understanding, it is Russia that “must be determined” by whether to demand Kiev to pay Kiev’s debt on time or not. But Poroshenko, naturally, “both smart and beautiful,” states unequivocally — we don’t want to give a debt, because the default doesn’t threaten us anyway, because other creditors went to restructuring ...

In principle, nothing new, except, of course, the presentation of information by Pyotr Alekseevich, no one heard ... Nothing new, since the conversation the Ukrainian “partners” once again bring to the plane of waiting a big freebie. They say that we have nothing to pay, but we are not going to pay for now, but we will wait for the creditors to take turns in delaying the repayment terms, and then, perhaps, completely abandon the credit claims against nenke. How it used to say Lyonya Golubkov:



Just about - that “partner” ... Moreover, judging by his behavior, Pyotr Alekseevich himself believed that insolvent creditors could now set conditions for creditors.

By the way, a few days before communicating with Christine Lagard Poroshenko, who said who, what and how much Russia “should”, signed a document saying that Russia is “an adversary and an aggressor” for Ukraine. Thus, Poroshenko actually refers (now according to the officially adopted Ukrainian military doctrine) to the “aggressor” -Russia (for he himself has declared us like this) with a veiled proposal to postpone the payment of the 3 billionth debt. And this is also a unique phenomenon in Ukrainian, when the “aggressor” is being asked for economic preferences ... This is the whole of modern Ukraine, this is the whole “partner” of Poroshenko ...

In Russia, meanwhile, they stated that Poroshenko’s “privileges and the most beautiful” could keep his “privileges” with him, and the 3 billion-dollar debt should be returned on time - by the end of this year. The question that sounds sharp in Shakespeare is: will it return or not?

By and large, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund (and the sponsoring fund of the Russian Federation is also included in the IMF) made Poroshenko understand that he, Poroshenko, is “exempt” from default this year. As if she handed the decree about the postponement ... But at the same time, Ms. Lagarde reminded Poroshenko that Ukraine’s debt to the Russian Federation is sovereign (state), and therefore it is necessary to return it, if required, to foreign countries investment.

But, it seems that statements that if Kiev did not pay Russia by the end of December, then foreign investment would be largely blocked, Peter Alekseevich was not particularly scared. After all, Pyotr Alekseevich is ready at any moment to get out of his briefcase a new military doctrine composed recently, in which it is printed in black and white that the Russian Federation is an “aggressor”. It is like such a “joker” in the hands of Kiev and in the understanding of Kiev itself - they say, it’s only Russia that we don’t pay on debts, because it’s an “aggressor” for us, and we’ll pay all the rest - “we swear by the revolution of dignity” ... Western partners are unlikely to be somehow too zealously pushing to Kiev, demanding repayment of the loan to Russia. Is it necessary for the European Union or the IMF? ..

That is why Russia needs to be prepared for the fact that the budget by the end of the year will not receive 3's billions of dollars from Ukraine, because Kiev will dodge as it pleases, just to delay the arrival of a technical default. The most civilized, and, perhaps, it is also the most effective step that Russia can take in this situation - to file a lawsuit in an international court, if the money is not returned in time. And, there is an opinion that the court will satisfy this claim, although the litigation may drag on for years. Satisfy for the simple reason that the IMF recognizes the debt of Ukraine to Russia as sovereign, as they say, “returnable”. But he will not be satisfied immediately, in order to give Kiev the opportunity to postpone the arrival of what has long been hanging over Ukraine ...

Poroshenko is well aware, and therefore at the moment when Western creditors gave him a short respite, he is trying once again to announce that he is "committed to the implementation of the Minsk agreements." According to Poroshenko, Ukraine has “three options” from which he, Poroshenko, chooses the third. And here are the options themselves: the first is the military operation in the Donbass “followed trip to Moscow”, The second is dissociation and a complete rejection of Donbass, the third is the implementation of the Minsk agreements and the work to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

But this is an appeal to the Ukrainian radicals, in front of which Poroshenko is trying to justify himself. Like, I would not mind and move my “invincible armada” to Moscow, but I’m the “president of the world” ... Yes, and if Merkel and Hollande were to agree, one can wait for the debt restructuring by most of the creditors ...

In general, Poroshenko is maneuvering, maneuvering, maneuvering — he is trying to bypass frank shoals and protruding rocks. Another protruding rock is a debt in 3 of a billion to Russia, the payment of which Ukrainian radicals-pravoseki will not understand, and non-payment of which can lead to an unofficial drain of Ukraine by investors who can ignore the pointer from above and understand that freeloaders partners better keep their money away.
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  1. +9
    9 September 2015 06: 42
    "Poroshenko -Porosionok" is just a talking head or a pawn in the hands of Washington.
    1. +24
      9 September 2015 09: 24
      And here are the options themselves: the first is a military operation in the Donbass “followed by a campaign to Moscow”
      he won’t go to Moscow, you say? Fffuu! .. straight from the heart relieved ... laughing
    2. +26
      9 September 2015 09: 39
      "Poroshenko will not go to Moscow"
      Well, glory to you, Lord! And then we have suffered so much fear over these year and a halflaughing
      1. +4
        9 September 2015 11: 42
        Quote: siberalt
        "Poroshenko will not go to Moscow"
        Well, glory to you, Lord! And then we have suffered so much fear over these year and a halflaughing

        The USA will command and will go.
        1. +3
          9 September 2015 12: 30
          as in the film "Volga-Volga" to the furnaces and into the bushes.
        2. +2
          9 September 2015 20: 39
          I quote Lavrov: Morons, b ...
        3. +2
          10 September 2015 21: 36
          Striped orders and go ... Interestingly, with what and with whom ??? Given the equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, with such a campaign, Svidomo will end quickly, and from the recruits of the bearded wave of mobilization, the part with the received weapons will go back to Poroshenko with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - bite the sweets. And it’s unlikely that the remaining svidomye will allow him to dump him abroad. Regarding three lard, although I’m not from Ukraine, I’ll turn off the gas and cut the rations to partners, in good cold weather the new kayuk will quickly link they won’t take a ride on the Russian aggressor, and so the current situation here has bothered many (meaning Ukraine), we are waiting for the leader ...
          1. 0
            11 September 2015 07: 40
            Quote: Suhow
            Striped orders and go ... It is interesting and with what and with whom ??? Given the equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, with such a trip Svidomo quickly end


            And the lives of Svidomo are not interested in either Volzman or striped. The main thing is that the Slavs will kill and hate each other.
            1. 0
              11 September 2015 23: 27
              Waltzman, Svidomo's life is certainly not interested, but Svidomye value their lives and therefore run to the Rada, the more they have armed battalions, therefore, given the next "pokraschennya" Waltzmans and co are forced to hold their horses.
      2. -1
        9 September 2015 12: 51
        Quote: siberalt
        Poroshenko will not go to Moscow


        So it's time to bring the political map in proper form!
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        2. +5
          9 September 2015 20: 09
          Put a minus, because Odessa in this card gave Svidomo, Odessa - the pearl of the sea was and will be a Russian city, but with a multinational population. But she will be with us in Russia ...
        3. +1
          9 September 2015 20: 41
          Interesting. Why jumped?
      3. +1
        10 September 2015 09: 34
        Quote: siberalt
        "Poroshenko will not go to Moscow"

        To go then, of course, the gut is thin ... And he cannot refuse the sluggish conflict ... for - = kerdyk ...
        1. 0
          10 September 2015 10: 06
          Imagine how he drives around Kiev in a car with the sign "To Moscow!"
      4. +4
        10 September 2015 10: 03
        It is sinful to laugh at sick people.
        "Tortzanulo" the person, and you scoff.
        He must be treated. The gauntlets.
    3. +4
      9 September 2015 10: 11
      Poroshenko will not go to Moscow ...
      how so? and we cooked marinated "lyuli"! request
    4. +1
      9 September 2015 10: 27
      '' is not going to provide any privileges to the creditor. '' An exacerbation began. Treatment will not help, only surgery, only surgery.
      1. +2
        9 September 2015 16: 27
        "without waiting for peritonitis" (C)
      2. 0
        9 September 2015 18: 28
        Autumn is in the yard, and here’s another seasonal exacerbation, you need a man to drink a haloperidol course smile
        1. 0
          10 September 2015 21: 56
          Correct, drip. Through the system. For these are not tablets, of which one is enough hi
      3. 0
        10 September 2015 10: 07
        Joking as a joke, but it would be interesting to know the opinion of psychologists and psychiatrists about politicians (especially ours!).
        But I am afraid that such information will immediately fall under "extremism."
    5. +5
      9 September 2015 10: 55
      Quote: avvg
      talking head or pawn in the hands of Washington.

      Well, probably this head also has ears on which it can get shaken if it wants to twist it with debt, it happened to us that if there is no chance to get a debt, we got satisfaction in other ways, though then we will forget how to grunt, start crowing.
    6. +3
      9 September 2015 11: 01
      Quote: avvg
      "Poroshenko -Porosionok" is just a talking head or a pawn in the hands of Washington.

      You sho!? And I thought that Poroshenko was a "partner", "Pyotr Alekseevich", "the president of Ukraine" ... And then what happens !? What, Russia did not see WHOM it recognizes as a "Ukrainian partner" Why did they not let the whole world understand that the new "leadership" of Ukraine is nobody, and to call them in any way? Having recognized, thereby legitimized both the "government" and the "president" and all their "bzdyki", and now why blame it ?
    7. +2
      10 September 2015 18: 42
      It is precisely in order not to pay debts that they can go, realizing that I can’t scoop up the most, but they will present everything in the media as Russian aggression.
      It’s a very suitable scenario for avoiding default and breaking the economy into the abyss. Indeed, in default, internal conflict and new hotbeds of tension are more likely.
  2. +16
    9 September 2015 06: 45
    Fairytale country Ruin! Here and Jaresko issued another tale on the mountain:In Kiev, they again promised to make Ukraine a prosperous state. In only a quarter of a century, the GDP of Ukraine, according to forecasts by the head of the Ministry of Finance of the country Natalia Yaresko, will be equal to the GDP of Switzerland of the 2014 sample
    see http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/62149 With such and such a president, everyone will "flourish" ...
    1. +10
      9 September 2015 07: 40
      Quote: name
      Fairytale country Ruin! Here and Jaresko issued another tale on the mountain:In Kiev, they again promised to make Ukraine a prosperous state. In only a quarter of a century, the GDP of Ukraine, according to forecasts by the head of the Ministry of Finance of the country Natalia Yaresko, will be equal to the GDP of Switzerland of the 2014 sample
      see http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/62149

      Under Kuchma, they were going to become the second France, under Yushchenko - the second Poland. Now the challenge is Switzerland. However, in the first two states the population is comparable to the population of Ukraine, and in Switzerland it is almost six times smaller. That is, based on the calculation of GDP per capita, the tasks (even in the propaganda plan) are becoming less and less global. So soon Liechtenstein will be chosen as a guideline.
      1. +6
        9 September 2015 07: 56
        Nooooo, nor Liechtenstein - Honduras, here is a new guide for springboks.
        1. +1
          9 September 2015 08: 37
          That is why Russia needs to be prepared for the fact that the budget will not receive 3 billion dollars from Ukraine by the end of the year, because Kiev will dodge whatever it takes to delay the arrival of a technical default.

          Here is the case when the saying: "If you put it further, you will take it closer!" - does not work.
      2. +14
        9 September 2015 09: 46
        Penetrator
        Under Kuchma, they were going to become the second France, under Yushchenko - the second Poland. Now the challenge is Switzerland.

        The second Switzerland is good! But why at someone else’s expense?
        Or am I completely stupid .. or it is not clear to me everything is explained ... but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING - WHY DO WE MANDATORYLY CHARGE A PART OF THE DUTY OF DROP? WHY DO I NEED TO FEED EUROPEAN PEOPLE AT THE ACCOUNT OF MY FAMILY? WHY AT OUR DISCLAIMER TO SEPARATE FINANCE FROM YOUR FAMILY WE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS? WE THAT ... DO NOT WANT OR SHOULD NOT ... NORMAL LIVE?
        Accustomed to UKOROPIYA to consider ourselves exceptional ... that's why they demand everything for "freebie" ... it's time to lower them to the ground. And they will return the loan ... I have already expressed my opinion on this matter ...
        1. -1
          10 September 2015 21: 59
          By the way, a freebie is a bootleg on a surzhik. hi
      3. +2
        9 September 2015 09: 58
        As for Liechtenstein and its GDP, I advise you not to quit, especially per capita.
        1. +2
          9 September 2015 12: 32
          Quote: AID.S
          As for Liechtenstein and its GDP, I advise you not to quit, especially per capita.

          What a joke. New methods for calculating GDP have appeared. There, proceeds from prostitution, drug trafficking, and other unaccounted income from all kinds of illegal business areas, to this point, are taken into account. Since there is no exact data on such incomes, but butterflies (nightly ones) are there, then as soon as Ukroamertsami set a figure, UA on GDP at least per capita, even per capita, will be ahead of the rest.
      4. +7
        9 September 2015 10: 04
        hi
        France, Poland, Switzerland ...
        If we are talking about sizes, then yes - of course they will! bully
        1. +2
          9 September 2015 11: 39
          Quote: Pharao7766
          then yes - of course they will!

          Yugoslavia ... "the kingdom of heaven."
      5. 0
        10 September 2015 10: 08
        What's so small? They need to immediately become Atlantis.
    2. +3
      9 September 2015 13: 26
      She promised that in a quarter of a century ..... And there either the donkey would die or the paddies!
    3. -1
      9 September 2015 21: 02
      The increase in Ukraine’s GDP will be achieved by the active labor of Ukrainian women in brothels in Europe. Everything with a small letter is not a mistake. They can’t make money with their heads and hands, well, there are other organs.
      1. 0
        9 September 2015 23: 43
        Quote: ppgt90
        The increase in Ukraine’s GDP will be achieved by the active labor of Ukrainian women in brothels in Europe. Everything with a small letter is not a mistake. They can’t make money with their heads and hands, well, there are other organs.

        That's right, last year the EU did not hesitate to formally include taxes on prostitution in the size of GDP feel A "Ukraine tsezh Europa" (c) fool
    4. 0
      10 September 2015 21: 58
      GDP in a particular piglet wallet will really grow!
  3. +3
    9 September 2015 06: 45
    Negotiations have been held, there is no and there will be no default, and Russia should decide by the end of the year: either she is smart, or she is beautiful.

    And Russia is smart and beautiful. Therefore, she does not want to forgive the cunning and already grimy Ukraine debts. And so they supported so many years at their own expense, despite all the nastiness.
    once again gives a reason to "admire" the complete lack of adequacy of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko

    And I don’t even want to talk about this. Not just inadequate, but it feels like he and the whole elite are mentally unhealthy, moreover seriously.
    1. +29
      9 September 2015 08: 26
      You can, of course, be outraged about Poroshenko’s statements, but the fact is clear - Ukraine does not have money and it will not pay. It is easier for him to declare or provoke a war with Russia. And no one will have to pay and immediately raise the rating. If you believe the statements of our leaders, we have invested in Ukraine about 225bn. dollars and not the fact that we will return at least half. And it’s not clear why our banks capitalized their subsidiaries in Ukraine, no one was going to give us money. The courts of Ukraine, in the claims of our banks against borrowers, we lose. Even if we win all the international courts, Ukraine has nothing to pay. we lost money and will have to write it off, as we did with respect to Cuba, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, etc. Yes, the whole world is fighting to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine, the world wants to get its money back, but we still forgive the debt to the fraternal people, then why should we fight for the territorial integrity of Ukraine? Are we acting as the mother of Thoreza? Or do our people live richer than everyone else? Please explain to me why we need the territorial integrity of a state where more than half the people hate us? Why are we trying to make Ukraine the second huge, after Poland, Russophobic country? Do our rulers really not understand that hatred of Russia in Ukraine is brought up at the state level from kindergarten? Everything must be done so that the Southeast leaves Ukraine completely or at least as part of 6 regions. Otherwise, we will get a second Poland at our side.
      1. +5
        9 September 2015 12: 15
        Well, how is it not understood !!!!!
        This is a classic! Transfer money to a risky asset, and then write off as non-repayable)))
        Thus, yards of money (((
      2. 0
        9 September 2015 17: 02
        as for me, they will pay these unfortunate 3 billion. Fight, but pay. It is trying to maintain the integrity of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, so that it would somehow repel the invested money. But mainly private money was invested in Ukraine. In any case, they will work with their investments and try to repel them. But these are generally their problems, although in some places they are intertwined with ours.
        Of course, we must understand that nothing can be returned at once (I'm talking about 225 billion), but this money is invested in something and it works poorly poorly. Work for the oligarchs. But the oligarchs will still return theirs.
        So we don’t really have to twitch here. They pay interest regularly and except for air shaking, while in any case, nothing on this topic happens.
  4. +5
    9 September 2015 06: 47
    Well, thank God! And then we already pasta with cereals, salt, matches stocked. The cellar was strengthened in the country ... They prepared to hack. It’s not where to run.
    1. +6
      9 September 2015 08: 03
      Quote: moskowit
      And then we already pasta with cereals, salt, matches stocked
      The dried hedgehog was prepared for the winter ...
  5. +7
    9 September 2015 06: 48
    You can’t drink wrong, I look at him, and I’m afraid to drink better than any torpedo.
    1. 0
      9 September 2015 17: 30
      I quit recently. It became a shame that they say "you thump like Parashenka"!
  6. +5
    9 September 2015 06: 48
    Maybe he is not Walzman? Such nonsense is constantly ....
  7. +3
    9 September 2015 06: 49
    Porshenko with his government is already in the toilet, it remains to press the button.
  8. +1
    9 September 2015 06: 50
    Christmas trees - green! and I was waiting, I was preparing all .......... not morning - disappointment!))))
  9. +1
    9 September 2015 06: 51
    I wonder how this circus will end? The quarter has remained. We take seats in the stalls. The denouement is nearing.
    1. +1
      9 September 2015 07: 19
      Quote: meriem1
      I wonder how this circus will end? The quarter has remained. We take seats in the stalls. The denouement is nearing.

      And did you take Zhiguli’s with ram? wink
  10. +3
    9 September 2015 06: 54
    I remember the cries of VR Solovyov on the air when Putin signed an agreement to provide a loan of 15 billion. Then everything was turned around at the temple, WHY?!?!
    1. +6
      9 September 2015 15: 44
      Then, in order to default Ukraine in December and reset all its debts, including Western ones. Because non-payment of one Eurobonds makes it unreasonable to pay the rest. Anyway, the country is an investment corpse.
      Then, in a few years, the country can be picked up, shaken, washed. Divided into parts, rebranded)) and fastened in the form of a buffer zone, but nobody needs us. The level of life there will certainly be low, but do we still need migrant workers? Let’s start them from Asia? Well, they will also grow sunflower and corn. And we won’t build industry there anymore ..
      1. 0
        9 September 2015 23: 40
        Quote: bootlegger
        Then, in order to default Ukraine in December and reset all its debts, including Western ones. Because non-payment of one Eurobonds makes it unreasonable to pay the rest. Anyway, the country is an investment corpse.
        Then, in a few years, the country can be picked up, shaken, washed. Divided into parts, rebranded)) and fastened in the form of a buffer zone, but nobody needs us. The level of life there will certainly be low, but do we still need migrant workers? Let’s start them from Asia? Well, they will also grow sunflower and corn. And we won’t build industry there anymore ..

        In my opinion, the first sensible reflection on the subject of Ukrainian debts. Correctly thinking, colleague, with a future perspective, and for years at 15-20 looked ahead, and not tomorrow, like many.
  11. +2
    9 September 2015 06: 56
    Explain to me please; Putin said that someone guarantees this loan (insures). What kind of organization is this and will it really compensate us for bad debt?
    1. 0
      9 September 2015 13: 26
      Moreover, the guarantee of the bond is a syndicate of insurance companies (underwriters), which allowed to put Eurobonds on the market. ,,
      these are these bonds.
    2. +2
      9 September 2015 13: 31
      These are Eurobonds, they are guaranteed by international underwriters. They will pay the debt if the papers are presented. Ukraine will not pump them out, which means that European commercial structures will pay. Everything is simple.
    3. 0
      9 September 2015 13: 31
      These are Eurobonds, they are guaranteed by international underwriters. They will pay the debt if the papers are presented. Ukraine will not pump them out, which means that European commercial structures will pay. Everything is simple.
  12. +4
    9 September 2015 06: 57
    Why did they give money if they knew that they would not return
    1. +1
      9 September 2015 07: 07
      This is a way of enslaving states. It is described in one document in 1904 and since then is considered a fake, despite the consistent implementation of all points of the plan set out in it.
  13. 0
    9 September 2015 07: 08
    Quote: meriem1
    I wonder how this circus will end?

    As always, the circus will leave and the clowns will flee.
  14. 0
    9 September 2015 07: 08
    Poroshenko maneuvers, maneuvers, maneuvers - trying to get around frank shoals and sticking rocks.

    Yes. But for every tricky ... there is, as you know, something with a screw.
  15. +6
    9 September 2015 07: 09
    Poroshenko will not go to Moscow... Lords, sirs, peers,
    Know a sense of proportion -
    Avoid drinking you like a trap;
    A short path awaits us
    And the stronger the whiskey
    All the more so, sirs, there will be your days.
  16. +3
    9 September 2015 07: 10
    It maneuvers, maneuvers, but may not catch ... winked Rocks will be stronger than his head or more powerful lol So, to distort the information about the rocks and inner peace, you have to wrap glasses with vodka ... Everyone is calmer in heart winked laughing And the rocks seem to be no longer insurmountable, and the shallows are not terrible, and the boat called "ukraine" is reliable crying
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  18. +5
    9 September 2015 07: 28
    Poroshenko went too far in the words and deeds to serve his criminal masters, in whom it cannot be said that their hands are in blood to the elbow, and to the very top. Poroshenko is not simple, as some imagine him. Lying, quirky, cynical, greedy, cowardly ..... This is still mildly said. He will manage to do a lot of nasty things about Russia. It is interesting in which country it will be saved if it manages to escape from the bloodless and ruined ruins. Really in Russia.
    1. +1
      9 September 2015 17: 34
      Yanukovych to Parashenka: "Petya, Rostov is not rubber !!!"
  19. +1
    9 September 2015 07: 54
    And I was already prepared to meet the troops of dill in their victorious campaign against Moscow. Sheer disappointment.
    Jumpers do not want to give money. And Russia in particular. True, in this scenario it will not work out for them, but the nerves will be agitated, they will work with their tongues and spoil the air. Only Europe had more urgent tasks, elections in the mattress, territory 404 feels abandoned by the bride at the time of the wedding ...
  20. +2
    9 September 2015 07: 59
    "A crest will remain a crest
    Though you let him in Europe
    Where to act with the mind,
    He only annoys f * ck.
  21. +2
    9 September 2015 08: 03
    Gorochoratsya moronic !! But you still have to give !!
    1. +1
      9 September 2015 09: 27
      Not a fact ... international debt obligations "
      according to the developing practice, it is possible to "hog" for a very long time.
      1. +2
        9 September 2015 17: 36
        Well, the Frogs with the Mistrals have been purging for 8 months, but the loot was returned as pretty.
  22. +4
    9 September 2015 08: 22
    And for the sake of all this, once again Ukrainians will receive preferential prices from Russia for gas, coal, energy from Russia and everything will be like last winter. The Russians will pay for everything. Not an article but a whistle in a pipe ...
    1. -1
      10 September 2015 22: 14
      Bolt them with a left-hand thread. As an advantage, spray VD40 before insertion.
  23. +1
    9 September 2015 08: 37
    Quote: name
    Fairytale country Ruin! Here Yaresko also issued another tale on the mountain: In Kiev, they again promised to make Ukraine a prosperous state. In only a quarter of a century, the GDP of Ukraine, according to the forecasts of the head of the Ministry of Finance of the country Natalia Yaresko, will be equal to the GDP of Switzerland of 2014
    see http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/62149 With such and such a president, everyone will "flourish" ...

    It reminds a fairy tale about how Haja Nasredin promised the shah to teach the donkey to talk. After 25 years, either the donkey will die, or the shah ...
  24. +1
    9 September 2015 08: 40
    Poro the puppy doesn’t remember what he says
  25. +1
    9 September 2015 09: 03
    We know these "international courts", we must prepare for the fact that they will not give anything back, but it is still worth going to court.
  26. 0
    9 September 2015 09: 04
    Psychiatrists and narcologists, from whom did Petya run away?
  27. +3
    9 September 2015 09: 17
    This is a clinic, and not amenable to treatment, only isolation with rigid fixation.
    1. -1
      9 September 2015 17: 39
      On a figure close to Parasha, a soldier prays to a member?
  28. +5
    9 September 2015 09: 27
    And why am I not at all surprised.
    Probably because:
    1. Theft of Russian gas - the national sport of Ukrainians.
    2. Airplanes An - paid - not delivered.
    3. Engines for Russian warships paid - not delivered.
    so why will they act differently with a loan?
    1. +2
      9 September 2015 17: 40
      You still forgot about Chinese grain!
  29. +3
    9 September 2015 09: 42
    Ukarin will not give money, of course. We will sue, lose for political reasons in 10-12 years. And as a result, we write off the debt, and first, we restructure the interest by 30-50. But this will not change the role.
    1. +2
      9 September 2015 13: 00
      Quote: Nasty
      Ukarin will not give money, of course. We will sue, lose for political reasons in 10-12 years. And as a result, we write off the debt, and first, we restructure the interest by 30-50. But this will not change the role.

      and that so many ruins are allowed to live? when out of 15 lards they gave only 3, they probably knew that they would have to forgive, but they received some kind of pressure lever. and then they were given under Eurobonds, that is, as I understand it, for this money the geyrop will keep an answer. We have already received the Crimea, but the West is trying not to remember, and 5 lard fshe whistle went off, we will wait for the UN General Assembly that the GDP will say about all this haggling that the fsha is preparing. it has not yet said its word for China, for explosions in China, and Svidomo also owe it for paid grain, but have not yet presented it. so everything interesting is ahead.
  30. +1
    9 September 2015 10: 17
    Kiev will not pay us, this is for sure! And the water court is another question, it may not be in our favor.
  31. +1
    9 September 2015 10: 35
    De_bi_zm representatives of Ukraine is already starting to get.
  32. +6
    9 September 2015 10: 36
    And give loans to them from right to left. Dobryaki. Who appreciated this ?? Bulgaria closed the space? Europe that owes us? If my grandfather were alive, he would have stupefied it !!! Our pension will get a discount on gas first !!! Then the rest !! !
  33. 0
    9 September 2015 10: 36
    There they wrote about this loan that they took it not directly, but through an office. It turns out the type of factoring. That is, not Ukraine will return the money to us, but this office, which is the guarantor. And then the penalty will be charged to Ukraine for late payment. By the way, America is also a guarantor of Ukraine for a number of loans ...
  34. +1
    9 September 2015 10: 52
    "news" of four-day freshness
  35. -1
    9 September 2015 11: 03
    Poroshenko is the main clown of Khokhlov, but in fact no one calls him anything.
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  37. +2
    9 September 2015 11: 15
    "The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko once again gives reason to" admire the "complete lack of adequacy"

    I do not think that Poroshenko is completely inadequate, such oligarchs do not become. He just scrupulously follows the instructions that are given to him "from above".
  38. +2
    9 September 2015 12: 50
    Advice or tip for our Minister of Finance Saluyanov-RITUAL FOR RETURN OF THE DEBT
    Conduct this ritual on the black moon (that is, before the new moon). At sunrise, light a wax candle, go to the window located on the eastern side of the house (apartment), and exhale three times on this breath:
    "I am sending the slave (s) (full name of the debtor) to begin.
    Let this slave (y) (name) burn and burn,
    drives in corners, breaks bones to him (her).
    He doesn’t eat, sleep, drink until (name) returns the debt!
    In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Amen!"
  39. +2
    9 September 2015 13: 20
    Russia has enough ways to multiply the country 404 by "0".
    It makes no sense. Break apart just to break apart?
    If there was a possibility of the arrival of loyal forces to power in Russia, then the collapse would be ensured.
    So far, only the coming to power of outright fascists is visible. And work on Ukraine to return it to Russia's orbit is not at all visible. Only statements such as "so you, Bandera, should be."
    It is sad to realize this, but the "Country 404" record is long-playing.
  40. +1
    9 September 2015 13: 34
    A trip to Moscow is cool! A special cimesis is that the language of international diplomacy is still французский, and for 200 years there has been an idiom in it "a trip to Moscow", meaning "obviously disastrous business" laughing
  41. +1
    9 September 2015 13: 42
    Ukraine will pay or not pay - we will leave these games for those who issued loans to maintain their business there.
    It will be more interesting from which such incomes Russia will pay $ 50 billion to the former owners of YUKOS. Feel the difference - $ 3 billion and $ 50 billion, and even the forfeit on late payment is already dripping .... For this payment, you can say for sure: "Why should I pay for your showdowns out of my pocket?" Our current drivers have divided the money among themselves, and should we pay the penalty to everyone else? There is always a device with a screw for such cunning ones.
    As for the division of Ukraine.
    Do not rush with spoons.
    If it turns out that Ukraine breaks up into spheres of influence, then for Russia this will be the worst option, because territories beyond our control will be our constant bleeding wound.
    Russia needs an integral fraternal Ukraine. IMHO.
  42. +2
    9 September 2015 13: 50
    The IMF recognizes Ukraine’s debt to Russia as sovereign, as they say, “repayable.”

    Did I miss something?
    Christine Lagarde stated something like this:
    I don’t make decisions on my own ... The IMF board of directors (managers) will state its attitude (determination) to Ukraine’s debt to Russia, is it public or sovereign debt or private.

    Where is the "IMF recognizes ..."?

    In my opinion, it is quite clear what and how can define this "advice", which dances to the tune of the United States. Or is it not clear?
    The only reason they drag out time: this decision - how to file?

    Kaklov should have a "pawn" on which most of the problems can be attributed. Will it be Yatsenyuk's pawn or Poroshenko's pawn? All.
    But Russia does not see money in any case.
    Who is the enemy (not kaklyatsky, they do not care about Western puppeteers) gives such money?
  43. 0
    9 September 2015 14: 41
    read the headline and immediately relieved ...
  44. +1
    9 September 2015 15: 21
    But, it is thought that statements that if Kiev does not pay Russia a debt by the end of December will largely block the path of external investment, Pyotr Alekseevich was not particularly scared.


    Why should he be afraid? The (financial) collapse of Ukraine is not beneficial to anyone, neither to us, nor to "Western partners". Therefore, they will throw coal there, then money, then a discount on gas, etc. The only thing that can scare him is the statement of the American ambassador that America is leaving and he is completely free in his actions. Here he would only run to the airport.
  45. 0
    9 September 2015 15: 40
    3 billion, yes 3 billion .... Hesitated already with this small thing. Ukraine already owes us so much that no economist will name the exact amount. Starting from the construction of the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station - ending with the lands presented to her by our good kings. It is cheaper for her to surrender herself and restore everything herself.
  46. +1
    9 September 2015 17: 02
    Not surprised. Not at all. And most importantly, Ukraine will not give a damn, but we swallow it, or we’ll spread the snot for years through the courts and all kinds of suits, instead of choosing the money that is rightfully ours through energy ... But no, politics ... ....
  47. 0
    9 September 2015 18: 30
    In addition to these ill-fated billions, there is also gas at world prices to change the doctrine.
  48. 0
    9 September 2015 19: 06
    Gas - give, money - give, but I’ve chipped as I’ll be chipping.
  49. +1
    9 September 2015 19: 08
    ..... will not go to Moscow? Ugh ... somehow relieved. Oh, they are very formidable.
  50. 0
    9 September 2015 19: 25
    But of the three options sounded by "Don Pedro", you need to choose "two-plus". This is when Nezalezhna recognizes the referendum in Crimea, removes the Armed Forces of Ukraine, NG and others beyond the administrative boundaries of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, for which he asks the Russian Federation to forgive the debt. After that, Petro Lyakseich gets on the plane and hides from Nenka's territory, since sooner or later it will have to be done, the main thing is not to be late.
  51. 0
    9 September 2015 20: 48
    If the mattress covers are “thrown” down, then Pedro will have about 15 minutes to escape from Ukrostan. Otherwise, he will be hanged alive for Faber on the same Maidan.
  52. +1
    9 September 2015 22: 04
    Sorry for being off-topic, but I just saw some interesting crap: I was looking at the official ORT website for news and in the corner of the page, where several subscribers of this channel from the social network VKontakte seem to be randomly shown, I noticed Kolomoisky’s face and the inscription “Igor” . I clicked on the icon and actually found myself on the VKontakte page of the head of the famous bloody oligarch and the head of the Ukrainian and European Congress of Jews. But the most interesting thing is what this page is stuffed with - namely, “evidence” that Putin is a Jew and Kolomoisky’s personal thanks for this, accompanied by characteristic national music and jumping with clapping hands of the “Elders of Zion.” So I would recommend that all Russian intelligence services do a little digging into this channel in general and the site in particular, since there is clearly at least one mole there.
  53. 0
    10 September 2015 09: 15
    The feverish delirium of a sick person... Why take offense at fools? Is this how you have to hurt your head in order to prepare for a march to Moscow? And regarding the debt.. Ruin will not return the grandmother.. We must wait and take Donbass and Mariupol as compensation... I assume that by spring the Svidomites themselves will offer such a barter..
  54. 0
    10 September 2015 13: 34
    “Pyotr Alekseevich, judging by his behavior, himself believed that now insolvent creditors can set conditions before creditors” - I would approach him from the position of the 90s: if you don’t pay, the meter goes down, and so on. Plus, let him pay 12 lard for gas ALSO with interest from the 90s, and not at the Central Bank refinancing rate. Then we'll see and listen.
    Particularly pleasing is his publication of the news about the provision of a deferment on the payment of loans to the IMF, which means that the words that others have already taken everything will not work. Once you’ve saved, it means you have money, there’s money for the crap fence on the border with Russia, so you have to pay, no, you have to seize the property of the independent. I like this word: independent! That is, there are no deposits, and it hasn’t died yet... The most idiotic words for the national anthem (IMHO)
  55. +1
    10 September 2015 17: 27
    Well, nothing like that! In country 404 they instill hatred towards us from birth, but we will give a discount on gas, and forgive the debt of the “Brothers”, we will raise our children in tolerance. And then we will teach you not to hate the enemy as it was in 1941!!! And that history develops in a spiral (the example of Galicia, which was abandoned to the West). And then we’ll add it back by ransoming it for fabulous sums of money (we have a lot of them, especially in gold). And most importantly, our children will encounter this tolerant policy, or rather its fruits.
    p.s. It hurt.
  56. +1
    10 September 2015 19: 46
    Yuri Nikulin and Charlie Chaplin would be pleased that their business in the clownery genre went beyond the circus and stage, and grew to a national scale! Although, to be honest, all this is very funny, if not very sad!
  57. 0
    11 September 2015 03: 08
    Quote: meriem1
    I wonder how this circus will end? The quarter has remained. We take seats in the stalls. The denouement is nearing.

    Dear Colleagues! On October 1, the NEW fiscal year begins in the United States. Rest assured - by the end of September we are EXPECTED very interesting news about Ukraine.
  58. 0
    11 September 2015 04: 21
    POROSENKO - what is the name - so are the actions...
  59. 0
    11 September 2015 20: 08
    Petya, stop drinking denatured alcohol!
  60. 0
    13 September 2015 09: 53
    Quote: Cherdak
    Quote: siberalt
    Poroshenko will not go to Moscow


    So it's time to bring the political map in proper form!

    What you showed in the picture is in no way a proper look. The territory of Ukraine is Russian land. For example, on the map of Transcarpathian Rus' you have “taken from Czechoslovakia”. And how, I wonder, did the territory with the name “Rus” become part of Czechoslovakia? Read the history of the Rusyns, what kind of bullying they suffered just because they were Russian and Orthodox!

    There is no need for these divisions and divisions. All of Ukraine, one way or another, sooner or later will join back to Russia, because this is our land. Nothing will happen to any Poles, Slovaks or Romanians.