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At an economic forum in Vladivostok, representatives of Japanese business are offering Russia to switch to mutual settlements in yens

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Director of the Bank for International Cooperation of Japan Tadasi Maeda, who is in Vladivostok at the Eastern Economic Forum, suggested that his Russian colleagues switch to mutual settlements in Japanese yens. According to Maeda, such a transition will reduce the risks arising from trading using the US dollar. RIA News quotes Maeda:


We offer our Russian partners to explore the possibility of using the Japanese yen as an additional currency. We are already working with our partners on the tools that will help secure investments from the influence of third parties.


At an economic forum in Vladivostok, representatives of Japanese business are offering Russia to switch to mutual settlements in yens


The representatives of the VEB Board in Vladivostok confirmed Russia's intention to consider the proposal of Japan. According to Russian economists, the transition to a mutual settlement in yens may allow an increase in the volume of trade between countries, which began to fall not only in connection with sanctions, which the Japanese government partially supports, but also in connection with the weakening of the ruble against the US dollar. At the same time, it is reported that agreements can be reached on switching to settlements in yens and Russian rubles.

Investing in Russian projects was announced at the forum by other representatives of the business of the Land of the Rising Sun, concerned that the increased rate of the American currency leads to a decrease in the volume of trade with Russia.
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 4 September 2015 12: 54 New
    +34
    No, guys, it won’t work. Let’s make calculations in rubles and yens. And there - let's see how things go.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 4 September 2015 12: 56 New
      +13
      Quote: sever.56
      No, guys, it won’t work. Let’s make calculations in rubles and yens. And there - let's see how things go.

      Yes, even in yen, if only not in dollars
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 4 September 2015 13: 43 New
        +9
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        Quote: sever.56
        No, guys, it won’t work. Let’s make calculations in rubles and yens. And there - let's see how things go.

        Yes, even in yen, if only not in dollars

        In rubles! And not only with Japan! Tomorrow Merkel will stand in line at the MICEX for rubles. And the day after tomorrow, grandmothers will make kullets out of dollars - pour seeds. And a month later, in the United States they will kill each other in line for permanent residence in Russia.
        1. avt
          avt 4 September 2015 13: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          In rubles! And not only with Japan!

          request It would be possible, but the yen is OFFICIALLY a reserve world currency. So, the clever proposal of this smart Japanese solves at least two problems - to strengthen the yen’s position at the expense of Russia and really, on completely legitimate international reasons, to spoil the USA and the Fed in particular. But these guys, with their claims to the Kuril Islands, were especially tightly late - China and the renminbi will not really let them fit in.
          Quote: Vanya Ivanov
          The Russian automaker Sollers and the Japanese corporation Mazda have signed an agreement to create a new joint venture (JV) for the production of engines for Mazda automobiles, investments will amount to about 2 billion rubles

          FORD ALREADY built the plant for engines - the Japanese sat at the start. laughing
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 4 September 2015 16: 41 New
            +5
            Quote: avt
            It could be, but the yen OFFICIALLY is the reserve world currency.

            This “official” is just a line on paper in the list of provisions of the Jamaican system. The financial victory of the Fed on a global scale, as By 1972, the Betton Woods system did not eliminate the United States precisely because they were forced to give gold at the first squeak.

            And even more so, no one is stopping anyone from trying to create a new system in which there will be no special drawing rights - an instrument to artificially inflate America’s wealth, but there will be a currency backed by, for example, oil.

            By the way, de Gaulle tried dollars for gold - we all remember what we got. And then, from the end of the 80s, we were told tales about the “hard currency,” which is actually not harder and no more expensive than the paper on which it is drawn.

            For those who have forgotten or for those who do not know by age - read, for example, what is written on the Soviet three-ruble model of 1961 and show me the same thing in dollars. About divine providence there is, but about the assets of the state-no ....
            1. avt
              avt 4 September 2015 17: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              For those who have forgotten or for those who do not know by age - read, for example, what is written on the Soviet three-ruble model of 1961 and show me the same thing in dollars.

              no You had to give as an example not a treasury ticket of the USSR, but a bank, at least ten, it is clearly written there - it is provided with all the assets of the Bank of the USSR. Actually, reform of Pavlov’s dog into a hump building and boiled down to ensuring that such an inscription on a bank ticket wasn’t lo!
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              and there will be a currency provided, for example, with oil.

              Which is the dollar, and it is supported by aircraft carrier groups and democratic bombing, well, if the elite, like Gorbachev’s, cannot be divorced into fu-fu.
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              By the way, de Gaulle tried the dollars for gold - we all remember that we received

              For which he actually ended badly as a result of, "student" riots.
        2. Bombardier
          Bombardier 4 September 2015 15: 00 New
          +9
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
          Quote: sever.56
          No, guys, it won’t work. Let’s make calculations in rubles and yens. And there - let's see how things go.

          Yes, even in yen, if only not in dollars

          In rubles! And not only with Japan! Tomorrow Merkel will stand in line at the MICEX for rubles. And the day after tomorrow, grandmothers will make kullets out of dollars - pour seeds. And a month later, in the United States they will kill each other in line for permanent residence in Russia.


          read in nete:

          Under the current global market system, Russia is doomed to lag. The salvation is the nationalization of the ruble, that is, the return of the right to issue ruble from the Central Bank to the state. Rubles should not be printed for a mass of dollars, but for the needs of our economy. Trade in Russian goods abroad should only be in rubles.


          What the government needs to do so that Russia makes a leap forward:
          1. It is necessary to make the central bank of Russia not private, but 100% state. This will give:
          - the ability to fully control the central bank;
          - the ability to use ZV reserves and the bank balance for gostrats, for example, for defense or pension.

          2. It is necessary to stop providing the ruble with the dollar, then:
          - 510.543.000.000 dollars (equivalent) from foreign banks will fall into the budget of Russia;
          - Russia will stop paying the hidden tax on the dollar (inflation).

          3. It is necessary to start exporting resources from Russia mainly for rubles, and high-risk exports that are insured in dollars should be left in dollars:
          - then other countries will be forced to buy rubles in Russia to buy our exports, and this is another tens of billions of euros to our treasury;
          - then the ruble will not be able to depreciate, because for it it will always be possible to buy oil, gas and timber from Russia at a fixed price.

          4. It is necessary to reduce the discount rate to almost 0% in order to reduce the cost of loans to the Russian economy, these are:
          - increase business efficiency in Russia;
          - reduce the number of levers of control both by Russian business and by Russian elites (for example, a plant is forced to register in offshore in order to receive another loan);
          - practically neutralizes inflation;
          - many times reduce the outflow of capital from Russia.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 4 September 2015 15: 08 New
            -8
            Quote: Bombardier
            read in nete

            This only excuses you. It would be nice to leave the link, "no" - he .. big

            And so - the text you cited is bullshit. Illiterate, moreover, a mare.

            Something like this..
            1. guard
              guard 4 September 2015 20: 52 New
              +1
              Cat Man Null (4) RU Today, 15: 08 ↑
              And so - the text you cited is bullshit. Illiterate, moreover, a mare.


              Well, then you would explain that yes, how, otherwise you might think that this is the same mare, speak and say everything!
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 4 September 2015 22: 08 New
                0
                Quote: Bombardier
                return of the right to issue ruble from the Central Bank to the state

                - the issue of rubles is carried out by the Central Bank
                - The Central Bank is a state (yes!) Organization. With specific rights-obligations, but nonetheless - state
                - the head of the Central Bank is appointed by the State Duma on the proposal of the President (and can be removed as well as appointed)
                - The Central Bank is controlled by the State Duma of the Russian Federation
                - ...

                That is - the state organization of the Russian Federation prints rubles for the Russian Federation. What other "rights" should be "returned to the state"? request

                Quote: Bombardier
                Rubles should not be printed for a lot of dollars

                - rubles are printed under the gold reserves, which (attention!) is denominated in dollars. In fact, these are not just dollars. This is monetary gold, for example yes

                Quote: Bombardier
                Trade in Russian goods abroad should be conducted only for rubles

                - about "only" - a matter of time (and considerable, IMHO), attempts are being made now

                Quote: Bombardier
                1. It is necessary to make the central bank of Russia not private, but 100% state

                I beg of you!! Tell me already, who is the "owner" of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation? Or forget about the definition of "private"

                Quote: guard
                2. We must stop providing the ruble with the dollar

                Not a dollar. Gold reserves. The thing, of course, is good, but again - not two days (and even, IMHO, not a couple of years)

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                3. We need to start exporting resources from Russia mainly for rubles

                Already.

                - http://spimex.com (SPbMTSB). A trifle, of course .. but there is no beginning ..
                - currency swap with China, for example .. there are no dollars, there are rubles and yuan
                - ...

                It’s not "mainly" yet, of course .. but - I repeat - quickly only mice will be born.

                Quote: Bombardier
                4. It is necessary to reduce the discount rate to almost 0% in order to reduce the cost of loans to the Russian economy

                - the discount rate of the Central Bank to the loan rate for the company is relevant .. very indirect:
                - The Central Bank does not lend to enterprises. The Central Bank works with banks. Banks lend to enterprises. This is how the world works yes
                - total: the cost of the loan for the enterprise, roughly if it is the Central Bank rate + margin of a commercial bank
                - it would be nice to adjust this margin .. to adjust, because the banks (IMHO) were slightly overgrown
                - as far as I know, something in this direction is also being done.

                Well, something like this..
                1. opus
                  opus 5 September 2015 00: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - The Central Bank is a state (yes!) Organization. With specific rights-obligations, but nonetheless - state

                  NOT STATE

                  -Bank of Russia advises the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, and does not report to it
                  -Gives loans to the Government of the Russian Federation for various programs and various percentages, and does not obey it
                  - monitors the entire financial system in the Russian Federation.
                  ===================
                  1. Article 89 of the RSFSR Law No.394-1 of 02.12.1990 d states that the Bank of Russia creates for its employees his Pension Fund for their further provision.
                  2. Based on Article 3 of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation No.119 of 05.07.1995g “On Public Service” and additions to the Federal Law No.35 of
                  27.01.1999g salary of employees of the Central Bank paid not from the budgets of the Russian Federation.
                  3. Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”
                  “A key element of the legal status of the Bank of Russia is the principle of independence, which manifests itself, first of all, in the fact that the Bank of Russia acts as a special public law institutionpossessing exclusive right money issue and organization of money circulation.

                  Functions and powers provided for by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”:
                  Bank of Russia carries out independently from federal public authorities, public authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local authorities.
                  3. The independence of the status of the Bank of Russia is reflected in Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
                  4. Even the "last" is clearly divided:

                  Quote: opus
                  Federal Law No. 152-FZ on Personal Data.
                  part 2 of the article 4
                  “Based on and pursuant to federal laws government bodies Bank of Russia, local government within the limits of their authority, they may adopt regulatory legal acts, regulatory acts, legal acts .. "


                  =========================

                  Hierarchy of laws in decreasing legal force:
                  Federal constitutional laws
                  Federal laws (including codes), international treaties
                  laws of the Russian Federation
                  (if there is a contradiction between any regional legal act and federal law, the federal law will act as having great legal force, with the exception of the case in part 6 art. 76 Const. RF)



                  Central Bank pointers?
                2. guard
                  guard 7 September 2015 20: 43 New
                  0
                  Cat Man Null (4) RU September 4, 2015 22:08 ↑
                  Quote: guard
                  2. We must stop providing the ruble with the dollar


                  I don’t know whose statement this is, but certainly not mine!
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 4 September 2015 22: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: guard
                you would think that this is the same mare, speak and say everything!

                I did not call you names laughing
                1. guard
                  guard 7 September 2015 20: 34 New
                  0
                  I apologize, did not want to offend you, just a lot of empty comments without any justification !!
                  1. guard
                    guard 7 September 2015 20: 55 New
                    0
                    In general, I am inclined to trust the opinion of one professor in MGIMO Katasonov, well-known in Russia, where he explains in simple language how the world financial system is structured. I did not hear or see convincing arguments refuting his words, so that ...
            2. opus
              opus 5 September 2015 00: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              This only excuses you. It would be nice to leave the link, "no" - he .. big

              1) Well, that the Central Bank is not dependent on the state:
              Federal Law No. 152-FZ on Personal Data.
              part 2 of the article 4
              “Based on and pursuant to federal laws government bodies, Bank of Russia, local authorities within their powers may adopt regulatory legal acts, regulatory acts, legal acts .. "
              Bank of the Russian Federation - not state RF authority: there are state bodies, but there is the Bank of Russia.
              Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”:
              .. The Central Bank of Russia is a special public law institution.

              I emphasize - special. Special NON-STATE Institute.

              The law says that the Bank of Russia performs its functions onregardless of all types of state power in Russia

              2) All states of the world have their own monetary currency with distinctive symbols that belong only to this state, for example, the state emblem. Only not the Russian Federation.

              The official emblem of the Russian Federation (Fig. 1) is not available on the banknotes of the Russian Federation. Instead, the emblem of the Provisional Government 1917-1918, enclosed in a circle, is used (Fig. 2)





              Based on international law this is a violation of the coat of arms of another state and entails responsibility. Paragraph 4 of Article 15 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation

              3) the issuer of the money is the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia) as a separate legal entity from the state (see Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation).

              4) Based on Article 3 of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation No.119 of 05.07.1995g “On Public Service” and additions to the Federal Law No.35 of 27.01.1999g salaries to employees of the Central Bank are not paid from budgets.
              5) In the Federal Law of the Russian Federation “On the Central Bank (Bank of Russia)” there are no direct indications of which of the top managers of the Bank of Russia (on the Board of Directors) is an official.

              The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not subordinate to the government bodies of the Russian Federation, but also does not serve the people of Russia. Legal fact. By all indications, a transcontinental corporation.


              6) According to MG professorsU, Doctor of Economics M.M. Musina over the years of the existence of the treasury system of the Russian Federation in close friendship with the federal authorities of the Russian Federation was stolen from the population of Russia and accumulated on the Western accounts of 10 federal budgets of the Russian Federation.

              7) there are persistent rumors that the founders and leaders of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are: Banque Edmound Rothschild SA, Credit Lionnais, Barcays Bank PCL and Credit Suisse First Boston - the banks that are part of the Rothschild corporation ... ASAP. wink
              1. opus
                opus 5 September 2015 00: 07 New
                +1
                at http://egrul.nalog.ru/

                get an extract of the register of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, an amusing little thing


                and compare it with the register of any other legal entity of the Russian Federation

                All this is strange ....

                ================================================== ========
                For reference, the authorized capital of the State Bank of the RSFSR in 1921 was equal to 2.000 billion rubles, tied to color.
                .... "The authorized capital of the Bank of Russia 3 billion rubles" Art. 9
                1. Eternal Watch
                  Eternal Watch 5 September 2015 00: 18 New
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  opus

                  Thank you, Comrade!
                  And you try to compare the authorized cap-l, COOP "LAKE" and AOZT of the Russian Federation, that’s where the impressions are! yes
                  1. opus
                    opus 5 September 2015 01: 20 New
                    0
                    Quote: Eternal Watch
                    COOP "LAKE" and AOZT RF, that’s where the impressions

                    13 years soon the most muddy "Lake" in the world?

                    and what's in there?

                    One last name resonates ""
                    11
                    79 Surname YAKUNIN
                    80 Name VLADIMIR
                    81 Patronymic IVANOVICH
                    82 UAH and date of entry in the register,
                    containing the specified information
                    1024701651259
                    09.12.2002
                    Information about entries made in the Unified State

                    =============
                    AOZt is already gone. Exactly "RF"?
                    What is the TIN?
                    BIN?
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                3. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 5 September 2015 00: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  For reference, the authorized capital of the State Bank of the RSFSR in 1921 was equal to 2.000 billion rubles, tied to color.
                  .... "The authorized capital of the Bank of Russia 3 billion rubles" Art. 9

                  So what?

                  Quote: opus
                  at http://egrul.nalog.ru/

                  get an extract of the register of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, an amusing little thing

                  Well, for example .. so what?
                  1. opus
                    opus 5 September 2015 01: 25 New
                    0
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    So what?

                    Yes, I gave for comparison in the "poor" post-war, post-civil RSFSR
                    Quote: opus
                    For reference, the authorized capital of the State Bank of the RSFSR in 1921 was equal to 2.000 billion rubles tied to color meta.



                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Well, for example .. so what?

                    And why infa about the "horns and hooves"?
                    It's about the Central Bank of the "RF"
                    Order an extract, study:
                    founders?
                    "comical medical licenses" and so on
                    Compare with the "normal" register:
                    founders are visible, clear, share capital is the same
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 5 September 2015 01: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: opus
                      Yes, I gave for comparison in the "poor" post-war, post-civil RSFSR

                      Damn, so what ??

                      The authorized capital of a bank consists of the amount of investments of its participants and determines the minimum amount of property guaranteeing the interests of its creditors. This is the initial resource for the activities of a credit institution. There can be no borrowed funds in the authorized capital.

                      10 Article. Bank of Russia has an authorized capital of 3 billion rubles

                      Why is this interfering? And here, in general, the authorized capital, why did you remember something about it in general?

                      I’m guessing, sorry .. request

                      Quote: opus
                      Order an extract, study:
                      founders? "comical medical licenses"

                      Yes, it’s really funny .. Duc .. this .. they themselves said:

                      Quote: opus
                      .. The Central Bank of Russia is a special public law institution.
                      I emphasize - special

                      In short.

                      I have no great desire to study the document on 77 pages in detail for an incomprehensible purpose.

                      If you have something to say - say wink
                      1. opus
                        opus 5 September 2015 12: 20 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Damn, so what ??

                        And compare with the Criminal Code of the US Federal Reserve, the ECB, the Bank of Canada, England, Japan,
                        China. and then inflation, national currency rates there and here.
                        Everything is clear.

                        The main objective of creating a European system of central banks, in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter of the ESCB and the ECB, is to maintain price stability.
                        In October 1998, the ECB Governing Council specified the main goal of the EECS monetary policy, indicating that the concept of “price stability” provides for the possibility of a harmonized price index for consumer goods rising to 2% per year, while also determining its structure with respect to consumer goods and services .


                        January to May 1999 in the countries of the “euro zone” the growth rate of prices for consumer goods was 1% on an annualized basis, while in the USA it was 2,1%, in Canada it was 1,5%, and on average for the group of industrial countries it was 1,2%.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        And here, in general, the authorized capital

                        authorized capital - RESPONSIBLE for its obligations.

                        The monetary base of the Russian Federation is the aggregate of obligations of the central bank of the Russian Federation.
                        Do I need to add something?

                        By the way:
                        Article 2 of the Federal Law on the Central Bank "The state is not liable for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia - for state obligationsif they have not assumed such obligations or unless otherwise provided by federal laws. "
                        What is this "state body"?
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        If you have something to say - say

                        In order to talk about him, it must be read carefully
                        Hammer - counts norms, let norms
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 5 September 2015 00: 27 New
                0
                Quote: opus
                .. The Central Bank of Russia is a special public law institution

                OK. And yet :

                The Bank of Russia is a legal entity. The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal propertywhile the Bank of Russia is endowed with property and financial independence. The powers to possess, use and dispose of the Bank of Russia property, including the Bank of Russia gold and currency reserves, are exercised by the Bank of Russia itself in accordance with the objectives and in the manner established by the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)»

                It’s quite such a government structure .. in fact, if.

                Quote: opus
                All states The world has its own monetary currency with distinctive symbols belonging only to this state, for example, the state emblem. Only not the Russian Federation

                "Everything," in general, is a bad word. Here you are, offhand - Egypt (just bills at hand now turned out to be):
                Here is the coat of arms and bills The emblem did not get into the post at all (cattle). There is such an eagle, sedentary .. bills flew down for some reason .. okay, not the point. There is no coat of arms there, "everything" does not channel.


                Quote: opus
                3) the issuer of the money is the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia) as a separate legal entity from the state (see Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation).
                4) ...
                5) ...

                Okay .. so what?

                Quote: opus
                Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not subordinate to government bodies of the Russian Federation

                It is controlled by the State Duma, however ...

                Quote: opus
                but also does not serve the people of Russia. Legal fact. By all indications, a transcontinental corporation.

                This, sorry, your fantasies, no more

                Quote: opus
                6) According to the professor of Moscow State University, doctor of economic sciences M.M. Musina ...

                Well, yes, yes .. And behind Mr. Musin there was such a pearl "MM Musin. The war in Russia will start from the Caucasus in 2014” laughing

                Quote: opus
                7) persistent rumors are circulating that ... Rather than just lying

                Yes, one hundred pounds yes
                1. opus
                  opus 5 September 2015 01: 37 New
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  It’s quite such a government structure .. in fact, if.

                  Do you feel the difference between the legal entity, the state structure (State Unitary Enterprise for example) and the BODIES OF THE STATE AUTHORITY of the Russian Federation?
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Here you are, offhand - Egypt (just bills at hand now turned out to be):


                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  There is no coat of arms there, "everything" does not channel.



                  The problem is that the Egyptian pound is introduced as the currency from November 14 to 1885
                  and the coat of arms of E. was: Coat of arms of the Egyptian Sultanate (English) Russian. 1914 — 1922, Coat of arms of the Kingdom of Egypt 1922 — 1953 ..... Coat of arms of the Federation of the Arab Republics 1972 — 1977
                  (Sphinxes, Pyramids, etc., their essence as a coat of arms)

                  US Emblem or Great Seal of the United States -




                  used to authenticate documentsissued the government United States of America

                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  so what?

                  Quote: opus
                  The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not subordinate to the government bodies of the Russian Federation, but also does not serve the people of Russia. Legal fact. By all indications, a transcontinental corporation.

                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  and also for Mr. Musin

                  all the same, dan + professor of Moscow State University, this is not khukh mukhra
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 5 September 2015 02: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: opus
                    The problem is that the Egyptian pound was introduced as a currency unit on November 14 1885, and the emblems of E. were: Coat of arms of the Egyptian Sultanate of 1914 — 1922, Coat of arms of the Kingdom of Egypt 1922 — 1953 ... Coat of arms of the Federation of Arab Republics 1972 — 1977 (Sphinxes, Pyramids, etc., they have the essence as a coat of arms)

                    Oh how .. in freaks.. okay, convinced ..

                    Quote: opus
                    Do you feel the difference between the legal entity, the state structure (State Unitary Enterprise for example) and the BODIES OF THE STATE AUTHORITY of the Russian Federation?

                    More or less .. I propose that we don’t focus on this now, otherwise we’ll "go far" wink

                    Quote: opus
                    CBR is not subordinate to government bodies

                    No, they will not obey. But -

                    ... The Bank of Russia is accountable to the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as the State Duma), which appoints and dismisses the Chairman of the Bank of Russia (on the proposal of the President of the Russian Federation) and members of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Russia (on the recommendation of the Chairman of the Bank of Russia, agreed with the President of the Russian Federation) ... The State Duma has the right to decide on the verification by the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation of the financial and economic activities of Bank of Russia and...

                    That is, the structure is completely controlled by the Russian State yes

                    But not Rothschild and the rest there .. Fed ..

                    Quote: opus
                    but also does not serve the people of Russia.

                    Define:
                    - what, in your opinion, is "to serve the people of the Russian Federation." Bearing in mind the bank
                    - why do you think that the Central Bank "does not serve" the people of the Russian Federation

                    Quote: opus
                    Legal fact. By all indications - a transcontinental corporation

                    Nope ..

                    Quote: opus
                    all the same, dan + professor of Moscow State University, this is not khukh mukhra

                    Doctor of Economics, Professor, Head of the Department of Crisis and Strategic Management of the Russian State University of Trade and Economics

                    At the Moscow State University, he was just studying .. in mehmat belay
                    It’s muddy tovarisch IMHO, I would not confidently refer to it wink
                    1. opus
                      opus 5 September 2015 12: 11 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Oh how .. in freaks .. okay, convinced.

                      Roman. I'm not going to "convince anyone"
                      What are we arguing about?
                      1. Your opinion of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is “normal” and “ice”
                      2. My opinion is “not normal” and “rotten”, and the current leadership (and not only N., but Co.) is yours.
                      The state of the economy, the ruble exchange rate, the dependence of the ruble on a barrel / dollar, "the general situation in the world" would seem to be more consistent with No. 2? Or I'm not living in this country7

                      I get, I work with some documents, pearls (!) From the Central Bank, I have to execute them ... he is a manager and a manager in the Central Bank.

                      Just to justify my point of view, I’ll give you some examples that cost our country VERY expensive, but the Central Bank and Ko-no matter how much (oh, it’s not true that they shot someone ....
                      but this is "normal and ice" (commercial showdown))
                      Georgy Matyukhin (1991 -1992gg),
                      Victor Gerashchenko (1992-1994 years and 1998-2002 years),
                      Tatyana Paramonova (Acting Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation 1994-1995). Alexander Khandruyev (Acting Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation from 8 to 22 on November 1995),
                      Sergey Dubinin (1995-1998 years) and Sergey Ignatiev (2002-2013 years).
                      Since June 2013, this post has been held by Elvira Nabiullina.
                      - damage from transactions with false advice notes amounted to trillions of rubles.
                      -The Central Bank is executing 25 years ....
                      Over the years, Russia experienced three significant devaluations of the ruble: in the 1998 – 1999 years — about four times, in the 2008 – 2009 years — by about 50%, and finally, in the 2014 – 2015 years — by almost 100%.

                      -From "Mosoblbank" its owners stole 70 billion rubles. This is as much as the state’s most important monopoly, Russian Railways OJSC, requested from the state to cover the budget deficit in 2016, and is quite comparable with the 187,6 billion rubles that are currently allocated from the National Welfare Fund for the implementation of the most important infrastructure projects ...
                      (And such as the MOB .... the car "Converse Bank", "Akademkhimbank" and "Investbank")
                      But after all:Among the key functions of the Central Bank are the supervision of credit institutions, the issuance, suspension and revocation of licenses for banking operations, the organization and implementation of currency regulation and control, and the management of gold and foreign exchange reserves.

                      can continue
                      1. opus
                        opus 5 September 2015 12: 13 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        That is, the structure is completely controlled by the Russian State

                        See charter. All founders determine.
                        That is accountable to the State Duma. ..so what?
                        The Central Bank of the Russian Federation, like the US Federal Reserve, is a private, that is, not a state office, which prints rubles and lends them to the government of the Russian Federation.

                        22 Article. about the Central Bank "The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to the Government of the Russian Federation to finance the" federal budget deficit ", to buy government securities at their initial placement, unless this is provided for by the federal law on the federal budget.
                        The Bank of Russia does not have the right to provide loans to finance "budget deficits" of state extra-budgetary funds, budgets of constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local budgets. "

                        The Central Bank of the Russian Federation, unlike the US Federal Reserve, cannot provide the Russian Federation with the money supply in the required amounts.
                        That is, you want to print rubles, first buy dollars, well, or read, they came to oil for the required amount in dollars.
                        That's how it works

                        Differences:
                        The US Federal Reserve is a private, that is, not a public office that prints dollars and lends them to the US government.

                        Needing money, the US government comes to the Fed and asks 2 a trillion dollars. The Fed includes, without straining, for a while the printing press or enters a couple of numbers into the computer (cash in the US economy is approximately 5% the rest 95% non-cash) and thus provides the US government with 2 trillion dollars, and in return receives a receipt (since the Fed provides money only on credit and only at interest). A receipt from the US government is guaranteed government loan bonds (or bonds, or, they are also called Treasures notes), which the government leaves at the Fed for the amount borrowed.

                        step 1.- pieces of paper are printed and a record is made in the computer database (95%)
                        shack 2.-US government collecting taxes with% gives LIVE (surplus value) money to the Fed
                        step 3.-founders of the Fed, receive dividends with 100% security

                        Sp: Income tax, as an integral part of this business, was introduced in the United States simultaneously with the introduction of the Federal Reserve System - in 1913, as the most important part of this business.




                        "The Wealth of Nations" by A. Smith - but of which nations ?;
                        "Capital" K.Marx - but whose capital ?;
                        “The Principles of Political Economy and Taxation” by D. Riccardo - but whose political economy and whose taxation?

                        The head of the Rothschild clan of bankers (his descendants own a significant part of the US Federal Reserve.) At one time said: “Give me the opportunity to manage the country's money, and I don’t care about who writes what laws in it”.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 4 September 2015 16: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Bombardier
            The salvation is the nationalization of the ruble, that is, the return of the right to issue ruble from the Central Bank to the state. Rubles should not be printed for a mass of dollars, but for the needs of our economy. Trade in Russian goods abroad should only be in rubles.

            And further in the text.

            There are few pluses here - I take off my hat for an excellent quote! hi

            One trouble - our words would be - yes to God’s ears ....
        3. anokem
          anokem 4 September 2015 16: 26 New
          -6
          Beautifully spelling out !!! You forgot to add about boots that need to be washed in the Indian Ocean and about kvass, which will replace Coca-Cola around the world. And about Mosfilm, which will eclipse Hollywood. And cleverly, Silicon Valley will nervously smoke on the sidelines. BMW and Mercedes factories will close, because the world's best cars will be produced in Togliatti. The same fate befell the Boeing factories. Learning English will not be necessary, the whole world will learn Russian
      2. Vanya Ivanov
        Vanya Ivanov 4 September 2015 13: 49 New
        +1
        The Russian automaker Sollers and the Japanese corporation Mazda have signed an agreement to create a new joint venture (JV) for the production of engines for Mazda automobiles, investments will amount to about 2 billion rubles. It is reported by Interfax with reference to the CEO of Sollers Vadim Shvetsov.

        Russian Railways: for the 7 months of 2015, the transportation of foreign trade cargoes of the Russian Federation and Japan increased by 3% on September 4. / Korru TASS Kirill Agafonov, Alexei Kosarev /. For the 7 months of 2015, the transportation of foreign trade cargo through the ports of Russia and Japan increased by 3% compared to last year. This was announced by First Vice-President for the Development of High-Speed ​​and High-Speed ​​Traffic Railways Alexander Misharin at the first Eastern Economic Forum.

        4 September. / TASS /. Rosneft and the Japanese company Japan Drilling through its subsidiary Hakuryu 5, Inc. signed an agreement on the provision and operation of the HAKURYU-5 offshore drilling rig for drilling exploration wells as part of Rosneft's projects in Vietnam. This was reported in a press release posted on September 4 on the Rosneft website.
        this is just the news for today ...
      3. inkass_98
        inkass_98 4 September 2015 13: 54 New
        +1
        Oh tse zrada definitely, I brush. So wrong, how could it be without the life-giving dollar. It is necessary to transfer troops from Okinawa to strengthen the dollar on the Japanese islands.
      4. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 4 September 2015 14: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        Yes, even in yen, if only not in dollars

        Wise guy, what's the difference for us then ?!
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 4 September 2015 16: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Oleg147741
          Wise guy, what's the difference for us then ?!


          Fans of the American currency will have to master the Japanese ... Personally, I like rubles. RELIABLE !!!
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 4 September 2015 13: 05 New
      +8
      Yeah, after that, the United States will find oil in Japan ...
      1. Watchdog
        Watchdog 4 September 2015 13: 20 New
        +5
        after this, the mattress will find chemical weapons in Japan tongue crying
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 4 September 2015 14: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Watchdog
          after this, the mattress will find chemical weapons in Japan tongue crying
          Quote: Samaritan
          Yeah, after that, the United States will find oil in Japan ...
          Here we have oil, and there is not enough democracy, and in general we are aggressors and savages ... To bomb us - yes, since April 45th they’re going to, and they all poke ...
    3. SAG
      SAG 4 September 2015 13: 10 New
      +5
      There is an old Russian legend that the Japanese Yen came from the abbreviation from the Russian "yedte nah .." Throwing a trifle and such words, Russian sailors drove away annoying Japanese trying to suck in their consumer goods, and still begging for some kind of "iturup"
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 4 September 2015 13: 19 New
        +1
        Let them get rid of American bases first, and then demonstrate their "financial independence." In general, the yen is one of the stable currencies, and even less volatile than the dollar. So the thought is not bad, it is worth considering.
    4. Vend
      Vend 4 September 2015 15: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      No, guys, it won’t work. Let’s make calculations in rubles and yens. And there - let's see how things go.

      No way samurai want to get off the dollar needle laughing well, here’s how the "black lord" gets angry laughing
    5. yuriy55
      yuriy55 4 September 2015 16: 06 New
      0
      At the same time, it is reported that agreements can be reached on the transition to mutual settlements in yen and Russian rubles ...
  2. baltika-18
    baltika-18 4 September 2015 12: 55 New
    +1
    And the binding is interesting what will they do? To the dollar?
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 4 September 2015 13: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: baltika-18
      And the binding is interesting what will they do? To the dollar?

      To commodity circulation.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 4 September 2015 14: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Shuttle
        To commodity circulation.

        But how is it? The ruble is tied to the dollar anyway. Look at the oil swing and the ruble. Very interesting. You can calculate the dependence of the ruble on the price of oil (and it is in dollars) .82-85% comes out. So that's what I want to say .Under the dependence of the ruble exchange rate on the price of oil will not talk about any settlements within 20%, the ruble or another currency is stupid (called splurge), the dollar will always be invisibly present and influence. declare garbage, and change the system within the country.
    2. PQ-18
      PQ-18 4 September 2015 13: 01 New
      0
      And the binding is interesting what will they do? To the dollar?

      in this case, the "binding" will be to ... JAPANESE GOODS and services! wink
      (in terms of Russian oil, gas, ore, forest)
    3. Oberon812
      Oberon812 4 September 2015 13: 02 New
      +2
      Why is it so abstract, you need something more substantive. To the Far Eastern crab, for example. Fortunately, the Japanese are seriously interested in this "currency".
    4. Eternal Watch
      Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 13: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: baltika-18
      And the binding is interesting what will they do? To the dollar?

      while any bindings are carried out exclusively to balabolstvo.
      and besides talking about the richest region of the Far East and trying to rent it out to the Chinese, Japanese and other Australians, as well as harvesting all kinds of minerals and marine wealth, there is nothing to hear about on the forum ...
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    6. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 4 September 2015 13: 12 New
      0
      baltika-18
      And the binding is interesting what will they do? To the dollar?


      and why the dollar then? why not 1kg of bread?
  3. vovanpain
    vovanpain 4 September 2015 12: 55 New
    +15
    So in rubles it will be better.
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 September 2015 12: 55 New
    +1
    now the Americans will give them a hat. so either rubles or gold
  5. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 4 September 2015 12: 55 New
    0
    But what about the oil ruble?
  6. SAG
    SAG 4 September 2015 12: 56 New
    +1
    The ice has broken ...
  7. Stas 86
    Stas 86 4 September 2015 12: 57 New
    +3
    Yen - 243% debt to GDP.
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  9. kil 31
    kil 31 4 September 2015 12: 59 New
    0
    Oh and cunning samurai. The yen has been sagging for a long time to $ and not only in a crisis. They want to strengthen it.
  10. twincam
    twincam 4 September 2015 12: 59 New
    +3
    deflection is protected from eponia))
  11. Denis_469
    Denis_469 4 September 2015 13: 00 New
    +1
    Let them buy in rubles from us.
  12. SAM 5
    SAM 5 4 September 2015 13: 02 New
    +1
    Dollar kaput, however.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 4 September 2015 13: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: SAM 5
      Dollar kaput, however.

      I would like to, but I'm afraid this is not a matter of the near future. Too many things are tied to these pieces of paper in the world. And there are too many “powers of this world” who are not interested in this. But the trend pleases ... wink
    2. Kosta
      Kosta 4 September 2015 13: 59 New
      -1
      It’s like it hurts them especially
      http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/11427.html
  13. Shuttle
    Shuttle 4 September 2015 13: 03 New
    +1
    But as soon as he not only says the same thing, but tries to arrange Shinzo Abe in real life, there will be a new Colin Powell with a test tube.
  14. maxim1987
    maxim1987 4 September 2015 13: 04 New
    0
    OK. only then, not in a cannula like we refuse the dollar, and you Iturup, etc.
  15. roskot
    roskot 4 September 2015 13: 09 New
    0
    Although the States and friends of Japan, but business is closer.
  16. Million
    Million 4 September 2015 13: 10 New
    0
    On the islands all open their mouths
  17. sem-yak
    sem-yak 4 September 2015 13: 10 New
    +1
    Soon the whole conscious world will come to the doors of RUSSIA and will knock and ask to be let in!
    We are a GREAT PEOPLE, WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE, WE ARE A BENT PEOPLE !!! The main thing is to remain the WISE PEOPLE and not let us spit in our souls! Economic cooperation is the standard of mutual trust!
  18. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 4 September 2015 13: 16 New
    +2
    No, well, quite a sensible offer !!! We need to sit down, make fun of it, so that we feel good for them too (pah, sawing on the "navel of the earth"), and have a good trip !!!!!
  19. Bezarius
    Bezarius 4 September 2015 13: 39 New
    0
    Tomorrow in the states there will be an article that in Japan there is not enough democracy and homosexuals))
  20. RiverVV
    RiverVV 4 September 2015 13: 58 New
    +1
    Funny ... So Medvedev can now fly to the Kuril Islands?
  21. KBPC50
    KBPC50 4 September 2015 14: 47 New
    0
    You can never trust the bourgeoisie from Western and "Japanese" countries. Never!!! Defaulted and then candy wrappers will become wrappers in SQUARE !. But we must behave with this; the economy does not forgive such stupid or "special" mistakes.
  22. Dima Čalevo
    Dima Čalevo 4 September 2015 15: 00 New
    +1
    A normal topic, relations with Japan need to be developed, and the Far East will catch up, and they may forget about the Kuril Islands) The country is good, and there are so many cool things done there)
  23. PPD
    PPD 4 September 2015 15: 25 New
    0
    And why is this Japan? So many years have lived without this on you too. Then it turned out that nothing.
    What is their interest? In trade gain or something else in the bosom in store? Something in their position does not add up.
    Sanctions impose as America commands. And then bam-independence. Medvedev forbidden to fly to the Kuril Islands, and then immediately the best friends? It seems to be far from Ukraine. But the logic is the same.
  24. 25ru
    25ru 4 September 2015 16: 19 New
    0
    I was there. I report what was proposed on the first day

    1. A nuclear power plant, but not in the Far East region, for export. Ah! Kireenko - I personally got it.
    2. An assembly plant for the short-haul airliner MS-600 from Chinese comrades. If cho, this is a deep modernization of the AN-26.
    3. Under the threat of execution - to build trawlers in the Russian Federation (what a shit ... it will do), otherwise you will not see quotas for production, in this place the general director of the largest fishing enterprises - neighing hiccups, building trawlers abroad on order is cheaper.
    4. Well, where are WE without a golf park? Japa signed up. Do you know how to play golf? And I do not know how. And it is necessary, the chief commander approved.
    tongue
  25. 25ru
    25ru 4 September 2015 16: 39 New
    0
    Quote: 25ru
    I was there. I report what was proposed on the first day

    1. A nuclear power plant, but not in the Far East region, for export. Ah! Kireenko - I personally got it.
    2. An assembly plant for the short-haul airliner MS-600 from Chinese comrades. If cho, this is a deep modernization of the AN-26.
    3. Under the threat of execution - to build trawlers in the Russian Federation (what a shit ... it will do), otherwise you will not see quotas for production, in this place the general director of the largest fishing enterprises - neighing hiccups, building trawlers abroad on order is cheaper.
    4. Well, where are WE without a golf park? Japa signed up. Do you know how to play golf? And I do not know how. And it is necessary, Glavkosterkh approved.
    tongue
  26. tiheros
    tiheros 4 September 2015 19: 08 New
    0
    here it should break through. as soon as the first calculation has passed, then the domino effect will begin.
  27. PValery53
    PValery53 4 September 2015 19: 13 New
    0
    So what, it turns out that we, Raseia, must support the Japanese currency ?! - Are they so naive ?! - You know that, Nippons, let's better jointly support the ruble, it will be better (for us)
  28. SAA
    SAA 4 September 2015 21: 03 New
    0
    Kapets, Asians are completely unbelted. And these decided to stick a small knife in the back of the "big hegemon".
  29. DPN
    DPN 4 September 2015 21: 17 New
    0
    Quote: avt
    For which he actually ended badly as a result of, "student" riots.


    An overabundance of students does not lead to anything good; ambition they have to hell is a plant and not a mat. Like free time, especially among humanities. And freely chatting for the company and for the money, they not only not only rebel, but also change regimes.

    In Soviet times, the dollar was only 64 cents, maybe it's time to come back to this?